👮ron-discussion

[lament wigeon]

Personally I do prefer the VKS as a nonlethal primary

But gas grenades are my preferred nade in any situation excluding the super dark night maps

[noble pasture]

So me bean bag, alpha vks, bravo ak, charlie bean bag, delta ak

And 6 cs nades per guy, spam cs?

[lament wigeon]

I find that if you take more than a certain amount per officer some officers can’t use them

It’s weird

[noble pasture]

Does this sound safe?

[lament wigeon]

Like I give Blue team 8 CS nades, and they throw 2, and have no more

[sharp fox]

dude i love using the SA58

[lament wigeon]

Loadouts are entirely personal preference for guns. If you prefer bean bags to VKS, go for it

Personally my favorite gun is the F90

[noble pasture]

JHP AK rounds will act as pseudo bean bags vs Armored

Maybe give AK guys silencers to tell them from enemy?

[lament wigeon]

Suppressors are my go to, but that’s just because I love the sound of suppressed guns

[noble pasture]

Same

[sharp fox]

i equip no suppressor cause i like the loud noises

[limpid halo]

why did the price for the game go up lmfao?

[dim forge]

in my country its still 16$

maybe discount ended

[limpid halo]

in my country its $73 aud

australian dollars btw

so like 50 usd

[dim forge]

I know. its like 50 to usd?

:DD

[limpid halo]

what country are u in mate

[dim forge]

Comrade... you know

[limpid halo]

euro?

[dim forge]

No, I wish, but Russia is my cage for now 😦

[limpid halo]

i dont understand mate

but good for you if the game is cheap haha

[sharp fox]

thank god i got the game on sale

i am NOT paying 70 bucks for this game

[lament wigeon]

Facts

I bought it in beta for $25 I think

[stone bay]

Good call

[noble pasture]

The fuck you mean its 50 euros now?

This is not a 50 euro game content caliber

[stone bay]

I just detonated a civ’s vest on Greased Palms.

[noble pasture]

That map shouldnt have s vests

[thorny escarp]

I leave my team at the very very start of valley of the dolls and they still die 😔

[stone bay]

It shouldn’t, but in at least two cases it has.

[noble pasture]

Wait, so I could beat ironman solo?

Ai bots are very poor

Any tips to solo?

I could do the pie the door and take only an angle at once

[noble pasture]

Use mods to unlock the hermit?

[gloomy patrol]

I did my Ironman runs with all of this:
High Caliber Weaponry, like the OSW or high capacity weapons, like the P90. Although the efficiency of those weapons in ammo use and terminating threats varies between maps and armor on suspects
Ballistic shields for my ai buddies and a mirrorgun for myself, if needed. Like on Brisa Cove.
Gasmask and gas grenades. Also depending on the map, you might want to take a flash or taser. Neon Tomb would be such a map, some of the dudes dont surrender to gas.
DOOR WEDGES. These things saved my ass in my last 2 runs, especially on before hotfix broken AI Brisa Cove. Blocking off every possible ambush angle and clearing room by room without needing to check your six every 10 nanoseconds made it actually doable.
For a Secondary, I recommend the FiveSeven. High Ammo cap and good armor pen.

Oh and

A literal ton of patience

[noble pasture]

My biggest run killer is officers having the stress tolerance of a Chihuahua

[gloomy patrol]

Idk how but my Moral Officer carried my team the whole time

[noble pasture]

Between the suspects going suicidal and wanting to die by cop and my officers pissing themselves over killing a crackhead I dont know who approved this system

[gloomy patrol]

But I didnt kill anyone (atleast tried to). I wanted to do the S tier achievement, complete all Ironman mode levels and the "Complete Ironman mode without loosing a single officer"

[noble pasture]

All at once?

[gloomy patrol]

Tried

And eventually did it

[noble pasture]

How many attempts?

[gloomy patrol]

atleast like 20

Brisa Cove was my nemesis

[noble pasture]

My issue with less lethal is they cant penetrate windows

[gloomy patrol]

Shoot it open and fling gas inside

Beanbag and gas grenades carried my runs

also dont give your AI officers beanbags

[noble pasture]

Should bots get bean bags?

Oh, oops

[gloomy patrol]

idk how it is now, but on Brisa Cove before the hotfix, my AI buddies wallhack aimbotted through a concrete wall and headshot 80% of the suspects with beanbags

Let´s just say that a dented frontal skull isnt "less lethal"

[noble pasture]

Ar or smg pepper ball gun?

[gloomy patrol]

AR

Btw, if you´re comfortable with being slowed by gas, you can also run a ballistic face mask with gas. Not optimal, but it works pretty alright

[noble pasture]

Wait, which cant rack up unauthorised force? Bean bag or long pepper ball gun?

[gloomy patrol]

Both

Also I just found my screens of my Ironman S run

Use a Flash Launcher on Neon Tomb

Direct impact didnt give me unauthorized use of force but made people surrender in an instant

[gloomy patrol]

The important thing is: The beanbag is less lethal. It will kill if you shoot the head or mutliple times. Gas Launcher in any shape is non lethal. But if a dude surrendered already and you magdump his respiratory system after he put his hands up, that´s unauthorized use of force. And sometimes it´s just random lmao

oh nvm you said cant. Afaik both weapons can

[thorny escarp]

bro I just cannot find this last civ in elephant

[gloomy patrol]

checked in the small storage rooms and toilets already?

Last time I was there, dude was outside in front of the SWAT vehicles

[thorny escarp]

checked spawn, checked bathrooms

wdym by storage rooms

[gloomy patrol]

i think in the building to the left, there are lockers, a science room and the access to a stair that goes to the second floor. to the left of that stair is a small storage area for the facility management

Tried giving your AI buddies the command to search and secure the compound?

[thorny escarp]

cant do that until I've found all civs

[gloomy patrol]

uhhhhh

so outside is clear?

[thorny escarp]

yea just double chcked it no civs

[gloomy patrol]

i suppose that you´re constantly screaming for compliance

[thorny escarp]

yep

probably some guy that already ahs his hands up

[gloomy patrol]

did a civi get incapped and you didnt report him

[thorny escarp]

nup

[gloomy patrol]

just call the trailers

[thorny escarp]

how do you do that

[gloomy patrol]

you don´t jk. They´re supposed to clean up after mission is done, but I´ve never actually seen t hem

[thorny escarp]

yea I thought they were adding them to 1.0

hold on I hear someone yapping

bruh just some part of the map I didnt check

nah bruh

fuck off
still not all of them

finally got it

[gloomy patrol]

yay!

[thorny escarp]

11/18 S

not excited for hospital and port

[gloomy patrol]

the autopsy room

[thorny escarp]

oh god

its the 99% underground maze map next

[stone bay]

Have fun, bring lots of bangs and stings

[gloomy patrol]

bring a semi auto 12 gauge with slugs and literal metric tons of gas

and a shield buddy

[dense geyser]

holy shit man the 911 calls on elephant

made me shiver

so glad I managed to save every civvie

[noble pasture]

@jolly verge should I use breacher in the meantime?

[jolly verge]

sure

[noble pasture]

Tips to not die on an S rank?

[dense geyser]

do what you normally do, but secure all suspects, soft objectives and evidence. for not dying in general, go in last and let the AI or other players take the shots first, they are considerably faster than you

S rank is easier with a communicating team, too, so if you're in multiplayer, get a team of good people

[noble pasture]

But much stupider

[maiden rune]

well for one u just gotta smoke alot of crack 2nd you gotta drink 500 liters of coffee and ur good to go

[noble pasture]

I saw a shield ai stop in first corner it saw

[dense geyser]

why does rust belt say its a modded map?

[jolly verge]

Once you unlock armorer and take full coverage ceramic you will struggle to die at all. Suspects with weapons on 5.56, 7.62 and .300 will kill you only in 15+ hits

[thorny escarp]

S :)

I heard some people sayin that on nightclub they wont surrender unless you taze or somethin?

[jolly verge]

bombers on club will not surrender if they close to you

[thorny escarp]

so what do I do
go far away?

[jolly verge]

yeah, just make a distance

[thorny escarp]

what about non bombers? will they surrender

[jolly verge]

sure

[thorny escarp]

k. some youtube guide said they dont, must of been pre 1.0 maybe

[sudden marsh]

it is def pre 1.0
they dont have a means of blowing up close to you so they have a choice to surrender

[maiden rune]

https://tenor.com/view/vonza-vonzattv-gif-20176303

https://tenor.com/view/schnecke-speed-snail-fly-rocket-gif-16379785

[thorny escarp]

can I get paramedics to revive dead teamates? if so how
or do they only revive incap

[sudden marsh]

you cant

ony incap

[thorny escarp]

welp rough, wish my ai would learn not to afk while getting blasted

[noble pasture]

I keep getting shot in arms and legs

[maiden rune]

then dont

[maiden rune]

or use the lifecard 22

[jolly verge]

hits to arms/legs from bots is only 21 (same if get hit in the steel plate), since they all use ap round, and it's good when they hit you in the limbs, because if you get bleed and stop it, it's will heal you back to 50%

[gloomy patrol]

Launch an impact flash grenade directily into their chest cavity and they will surrender. Atleast they did when I did my S run on Neon

[thorny escarp]

[unreal trail]

i got 6 gas grenade 6 mag for primary 3 for second and 4 more gas in the launcher

im gassing em all

[thorny escarp]

who needs secondary mags smh
more gas nades

if I beanbag a civ do I get - points

[dense geyser]

always take 2 secondary mags and pick revolver, saved me many times

[gloomy patrol]

as long as you dont kill or incap him, no. One to two shots should be non critical

unless it´s to the skull

[thorny escarp]

welp got the classic 1 tap to my head anyway doesnt matter

[sharp fox]

whats the default command for high ready again

[dense geyser]

spacebar

[thorny escarp]

hotel S was so painful

[gloomy patrol]

Well done though

tight spaces and a lot of angles you can get shot from

[agile plinth]

guys

do you still get the golden watch when you got officers resigning from duty

[muted star]

Nope

[limpid swallow]

is there any plans on adding a leveling system to the game

[lost inlet]

No.

[thorny escarp]

anyone know how many hostiles are on club

feels endless

[lost inlet]

11 to 18 i think

[thorny escarp]

fuckin hell

[leaden holly]

Should I try doing S run for mansion mission again lol

failed 7+ times by the way

[merry schooner]

Is there a specific way you have to complete the missions to unlock the oldschool swat gear, IE the "complete all missions" set? Fairly certain I've completed all, but still havent unlocked it.

[noble pasture]

Do I get medal of valor if I do it in multiplayer?

Reddit says no, damn

[young gate]

Does anyone have any advice for completing Greased Palms...?...I've been stuck on it for 20+ attempts in 2 days and I'm feeling my patience starting to slip with each attempt

[hardy plinth]

Hi I just wanted to check whether it was worth it to pick up the game again

I last played in March but it doesn't seem like there were any patches since then

[hardy plinth]

I personally recommend taking out the hut outside first

and trying to move up to the second floor inside the large building

[young gate]

Any loudout suggestions?

[hardy plinth]

Hmm I think I took a shotgun with slugs

Kills em fast

just don't kill the guy you need, he has blond hair and a blue vest

[open harness]

Im using F90, what kind of materials can I wallbang?

[thorny escarp]

are you going non lethal (S score) or just playing normal?

[young gate]

Playing normal

[vocal night]

theres an elevated office space inside the building

you can see a lot of the warehouse from there

might help

[noble pasture]

@jolly verge so my ai squad went to anxious because we had to kill a bunch of security on the spider

how do I contain it?

[bright rapids]

Therapy

[noble pasture]

cant send to therapy while just anxious

and then only 3/4

[bright rapids]

simply, mass murder

Then send to therapy

[noble pasture]

Hmm. What gun is really low recoil?

[bright rapids]

MP7, I use it a lot

Or the MCX If you want to reach out more

[stone bay]

Does yelling for compliance increase stress?

[noble pasture]

Ok, different tactic

To relieve stress will make a less lethal build

[heady spade]

What are the spots where suspects will bleed out if shot? Leg arm throat? Where on the arm?

[noble pasture]

Where the big veins are

So neck and the upper sections of all limbs

[heady spade]

OK thx

[stable kernel]

There is a bleedout chance based on ammo type, plus hit location no matter where you shoot them. But the listed locations are more likely.

[heady spade]

What ammo type? JHP?

[stable kernel]

Yes, and caliber

[heady spade]

Wich one is best

[stone bay]

I do love the sound of distant gunshots

[stable kernel]

In decending order: Slugs, 7.62x51, buckshot, then 4.6x30 and 9mm jhp and .300 jhp and 5.56x45 jhp are tied

The rest are much lower

[heady spade]

OK thx

[jolly verge]

whos stress?

[jolly verge]

arrest surrendered suspects/civilians

[noble pasture]

Thats the neat part, they dont surrender

[eager jackal]

How do I know what missions I have to do to unlock more?

[jolly verge]

arrested civilians also heal stress, but low amount compared to suspects

[eager jackal]

Tazer/beanbag shotgun/flashbang/stinger/gas/pepperballs/pepperspray

Those all hard surrender people

Except for bomb vests, to my knowledge they can only be neutralized with Tazers

For all of those you do have to shout compliance though

For gas and pepperballs they'll usually run away, only sometimes with the spray

[heady spade]

Tbh shouting for compliance just feels like a formality in RoN. Suspects don't surrender and if they do then they just pull out a pistol

[eager jackal]

That's why you detain ASAP

Tell them to move to you, keep your sights on them, and kaboom

[noble pasture]

Triple tapped a suspect for pulling a pistol on me

[heady spade]

You can't arrest them when they fake surrender

[eager jackal]

Shoot for the legs.

[heady spade]

Hard to hit

Especially with the amount the suspects movs

[jolly verge]

yelling for compliance deal low amount of morale damage, you need to do it about 12 times to make them surrender
Negotiator trait will give you % chance for first yell to make suspect immediately surrender

[heady spade]

I mostly play solo

Like without ai teammates

[eager jackal]

That's super boring tho

A.I are genuinely lifeblood of my solo

[heady spade]

I don't think it's boring

[eager jackal]

I don't need them but having teammates to carry extra stuff for you and covering your back is SO nice

[eager jackal]

Well yeah, but it's more fun with A.I teammates

[median shadow]

is there a plan to add Dedicated servers to this game any time soon?

and server browsers? Or is this it?

[noble pasture]

I am tired of trying to play ironman vanilla

Friendly bots suck, enemy bots are cracked and my patience is spent

[eager jackal]

Friendly bots are delightful to me

Idk what everyone complains about

I just order them to breach for me

[noble pasture]

I will try that next time and see if 1-4 die in first room

[eager jackal]

For me worst map to use them on is Greased Palms or the one in the hotel (not the assassination one), those're the only two maps I've ever had my A.I wiped on a clear

And it was multiple rooms in

My most used commands are Breach (shotgun or C2, usually the latter), move and clear, or open and clear

They can hold their own unless you give them the worst loadouts you can think of

[round osprey]

does anyone know how to like beat hospital?

the hard part is finding the hostages

[shy tulip]

Eat more carrots

[stone bay]

😆

[winter shadow]

I always go from otherside of building

So I can easily search for hostages

[round osprey]

Ok

[stone bay]

i think that steel needs a buffer of health

steel is coated with rubber to capture spall so it would take a couple shots before you actually start getting grenades exploding up your chin and into your arms

[jolly verge]

you don't take damage from spall by your own steel plate anyway

[lost inlet]

steel already dont randomly one shot you due to fragments get sent into you skull is a big plus, would prefer steel plates have lesser movement penalty

a single plate of steel is way heavier than 4 plates ceramic smh

wth void

[noble pasture]

made it on my ironman run to greased palms without mods

taking a break to not mess up because I cant focus

[stone bay]

I’m impressed. I made it as far as Twisted Nerve before giving up on Commander Mode.

[noble pasture]

found out new strat, I run the bean bag as the player and bots get 4 AK's

lowest I got with this strat is A

I did almost die like 6 times today

ate a shotgun blast to the vest point blank

Ran so well I did Ides of March on first attempt

Got a A+

I rolled a moral officer to get more sanity from the suspects I get

[versed cape]

where are some spots where one could easily miss civvies on elephant?

[noble pasture]

They are probably in classes

[versed cape]

checked all of them

[noble pasture]

Halls and closets too?

[versed cape]

yea

keep shouting, no response, guess i got them to surrender during combat and forgor where theyre at

[noble pasture]

You use bots?

Can give "search and secure" order

[versed cape]

solo

[noble pasture]

Damn

[versed cape]

thats how i did it last time

but im going for S tier

[noble pasture]

Keep looking I guess, s rank is not linked to timer

[versed cape]

alr

[noble pasture]

Saw a friendly AI lay down fire on a suspect in Ides of March

Saved a civie while at it

[sturdy atlas]

anyone know if i can still get at least a B on relapse given i kill all suspects, save all civilians, arrest that guy, and defuse the bombs, but i lost an officer?

nvm i died anyways

[gleaming fable]

if no negative scores, a lethal playthough usually nets me a B score.

[young gate]

Question
Does anyone know how to fix the "Failed to load Terms of Use" issue with mods?

[stoic whale]

is there a way to decrese the brightness on flashlights?

[prime wing]

You might want to turn it off at that point

[frail quartz]

You'll probably want the flashlight file in the Gunfighter Gameplay Improvement mod

(assuming you're willing to use mods)

(If you're asking if you can decrease the brightness in the vanillia game, there's no way to my knowledge)

[gloomy patrol]

Wait, the Heavy LSPD vest in black looks completely different in-raid from the one in the equipment menu

did I miss something or is that just a bug

[bitter field]

Can you not arrest suspects yourself for hanged man to trigger?

I had to arrest two because my entire team froze up on me and thats the only thing I could think to for the achievement not to appear

[stoic whale]

idk if im the only one having the problem but its almost like a flashbang is blowing up near my face all the time

i mean, flashlights for law enforcement is used to disorientate and blind the enemy and not yourself.

[coral nimbus]

my stupid ass teammate killed himself with C2 LMFAO

[prime wing]

there should be mods in nexus to decrease the lumen, but the one in game very dim all things considered

[bright rapids]

I only Use the MP7 in Game AMA

[prime wing]

what gun do you use?

[shy tulip]

Why not the MP6

[coral nimbus]

Why not the MP1?

[frail quartz]

What's your opinon on the short stroke gas system

[bright rapids]

I like it personally not to bad

[stoic whale]

could it be because im on the 12 option thing when u start the game?

[median shadow]

give your friendly bots full steel plate and ARN-180s and use gas and C2 in every room

(3) Breach (6) With leader (4) CS Gas --- Do the C2s yourself, equipped item will switch back after detonation to primary, scan the room, let your guys throw the grenade in and take care of business themselves

Also just kill the shit out of the enemies forget that apprehend the subject nonsense when the risk of enemies not responding to being hit with flashbang, stingers and even CS gas is a possibility

[coral rover]

Anyone have any advice on how to beat commander mode to get the watch?

[gleaming fable]

i did my best to balance being violent and doing non lethal arrests so that your guys wont leave you. lmao

[sharp fox]

i usually try to kill everyone

i remember incapacitating a suspect and he kept screaming and i got annoyed, so i shot his head and the screaming immediately cut out

[stone bay]

Everyone screams too damn much.

[sharp fox]

fr

just take the pain like a man

[lament wigeon]

When i shoot someone in like half my games i yell at someone to die quieter

[gleaming fable]

just die

be a man

[noble pasture]

Did they buff the shit out of attachments?

Combat grip reduces recoil by 80%

[shy tulip]

That doesn't sound like a vanilla thing, but I haven't checked in a while

[noble pasture]

It is a vanilla thing, i found it in that guide for everything around here

I think it said combat grip on a rail reduces 80% of horizontal recoil

FSMB reduces 40 ish % of vertical recoil?

AK is a horizontal weapon usually, with a combat grip it only goes up

[smoky trench]

who wanna play im 14 and i somewaht jus started playing but i have played arma 2

arma 3*

[noble pasture]

Would have called cap on you playing arma 2

[smoky trench]

lol

[sharp fox]

this woman said "wheres your warrant" so i shot her in the back of the head

never saw it coming

[stone bay]

Based

[jolly verge]

Funny thing is that all assault rifles in the game have no horizontal recoil at all, so they don't benefit from combat grip, same thing for accuracy stat on this grip, in reality it's affect only buckshot spread.
On rifles you want either vertical for -10% recoil or angled for 35% ads speed, combat grip is only 10% ads speed for them

[noble pasture]

huh

[noble pasture]

Died on greased palms

[sharp fox]

dude im shooting at this suspect and the fisa agent just casually walks into my line of fire

anyway he got accidentally headshotted

[noble pasture]

guys, I need a way to stop killing suspects

[noble pasture]

Try giving some bots less lethals?

[lament wigeon]

Gas grenades, nonlethal weapons, zero mags for pistols

[thick ibex]

why not use a shotgun??

MP7s are pretty weak and they're like a better version of pepperball guns for me

[noble pasture]

Negotiator, Paramedic, Armorer and Moral officers? Solid crew?

[lost inlet]

when you get hit in the arm then the horizontal recoil kick in but not much

smg just became dogshit when arms get hit

[abstract cosmos]

Didn't know

[noble pasture]

Died on ironman again

[lost inlet]

gg

[jolly verge]

Arm injury debuff increases weapon shake at the sight and from the hip, not vertical/horizontal recoil

tested with attachments that reduce vertical to 0 and increases horizontal by 1000%, no difference on rifles

[lost inlet]

[jolly verge]

That what it's looks like with default attachments values and a modified recoil nerf with larger values than defaults one #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

pattern on the left is without arm injury, so recoil still the same, just gun going all over the screen

[lost inlet]

lmao

[noble pasture]

I need clearing tips

I died on Ides of March this time

[noble pasture]

died on spider now

I need a new strat

[jolly verge]

How you clear rooms?

[noble pasture]

I can show you on a stream

[jolly verge]

and what your current loadout?

[noble pasture]

I will stream for you

[jolly verge]

ok, im just don't speak english well

[noble pasture]

its fine

[shadow creek]

Anyone else not able to join Multiplayer?
I can't join, it says "Unable to find server with acceptable ping"?
Is that a known problem?

[stone stump]

if you read what it says, you will actually learn what the problem is

[shadow creek]

Funny guy, it's not becuase of my ping...

Is it because there are no players online to join their servers?

[stone stump]

within the ping range, yes

iirc it's hardcoded to a max allowed ping of ~300 (?)

[shadow creek]

Bruh

That's annoying!

It's working now

[stone stump]

it always worked though

[woeful minnow]

anyone know how to do the way out west achievement?

[noble pasture]

Let the bots carry you

[woeful minnow]

can i secure evidence or restrain

[noble pasture]

They dont need to follow the challenge rules

Yes, you can

Just dont fire your main gun

[woeful minnow]

guess its bugged then i did it twice jn

[noble pasture]

Try to tell the bots to secure stuff

[shadow creek]

??

It's most likely because I am in Australia and not many people play

[stone stump]

just because no server could be found within the allowed ping range doesn't mean something wasn't working

[shadow creek]

That's why I asked if anyone else experienced it, in case it was a bug...

??

[stone stump]

that's not what i'm talking about. you said "it's working now", implying that it didn't before

[floral bramble]

so suspects shooting make no sund anymore?

POK now al.l gunshot sounds are gone

impact sounds are still happening tho

[stone stump]

sounds like a you problem

[floral bramble]

True

[sharp fox]

i swear this michael guy has a 144p webcam

[stone stump]

if it weren't you would be asking here why does it lag so much instead :P

[noble pasture]

failed on Lethal Obssession

last suspect had me pinned down and no order to give the bots to cover me

How did I mess this up?

[coarse drift]

ops

meant to send in priv dms

[royal sinew]

how do i prevent the ai from blocking the doors

its getting really annoying

[bright rapids]

Use Team Commands

[raven schooner]

give them space to move through/away from the door and tell them to fall in

[royal sinew]

they keep following me around

[raven schooner]

make them "move to" somewhere away from the door

you can go up to them and command them to move individually but its tedious

[bright rapids]

Open team commands "Stack Up" or "Cover" or use "move to"

[open shell]

Icl I just make them clear another room whilst I do one

[noble pasture]

an officer died on ides of march

I cant get past 40% of the maps on my ironman run

I just cant, I dont know what to do

[shy tulip]

Skillt issue

[noble pasture]

Show me your ironman win

[left onyx]

what is considered the hardest map

[left onyx]

make them all wait at the beginning and S tier the map by yourself

[noble pasture]

Last one

[left onyx]

port hakon ?

[noble pasture]

Yeah, most suspects of all maps

Between 21 and 23 can spawn

Thats wnough suspects to fill multiple maps

Also hardest to S rank

[left onyx]

damn so that would be like literally impossible to S teir by yourself then

[noble pasture]

No you can

[left onyx]

without swat ai i mean

[noble pasture]

A youtuber has done it solo s rank before

[left onyx]

oh wow

thats pretty cool

[noble pasture]

Let me fetch a video

[fringe fjord]

fix #🐶animal-headquarters

[misty island]

You can try using my guide on Steam.

[noble pasture]

Name on steam?

[shy tulip]

I think it's one of the first few guides as soon as you click the guides section, if I'm thinking of the right one.

[misty island]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3190461026

[stark kettle]

hello

[noble pasture]

the guys in my squad got to Crisis after Twisted Nerve

3 fucking missions and they want to quit

[jolly verge]

that why you need negotiators, so you can make suspects complie and arrest some of them to heal the stress or just play first mission fully non lethal

[stable kernel]

Yeah you only need about a quarter to a third of the suspects alive to maintain mental status (not factoring in SBAGS). It's not that many you need to get.

[jolly verge]

your squadmates also gain more stress if they killing suspects instead of you

stress for 1 killed suspect <= stress for 1 surrendered if you kill suspects

arrested civilians also heal stress, but less compare to suspects (0.03 stress heal vs 0.08)

[noble pasture]

Bots are really really stupid

I feared they were managing the achievement of dying on gas station

3 injured after a s rank to heal stress

[sudden marsh]

its a common theme with RoN, even VOID claim "swat Ai was tested" and the changes were
pretty minor to make any difference

[noble pasture]

I seen them, they still look at empty corners but less

I cant believe swat 4 made better swat ai

I cant beat Ready or Not

[next goblet]

Suppose the question is how well did Sierra Entertainment couple the AI with the map design.

[sudden marsh]

it was good enough that i never complained about cheaty Ai

and i had less issues in S4 than RoN

[shy tulip]

It's night and day, they were small maps with really simple AI. I think most of em are smaller than Brixley.

[sudden marsh]

RoN takes up a step with bigger map designs which is the cause for the huge flaw

[shy tulip]

RoN portrays more environments and scenarios, I'm sorry, SWAT 4 is really boring and has plenty of issues. Especially with the AI doin the 180 makarov twist

[humble mauve]

S4 had only a select few larger maps, but even then there were very few open areas, most of the larger maps tended to be just a lot of smaller areas

[shy tulip]

I stopped playing Swat 4 currently because their S rank system is really, really painful vanilla wise.

[next goblet]

That does make sense, because usually when I think of AI and map design I remember F.E.A.R. Which of course had its fair share of smoke and mirrors for the time but it was really nice.

[sudden marsh]

VOID had many opportunities to expand way more on S4 and it did
but it left so much to be desired with todays state..

[next goblet]

I wish there was the same level of depth and resources available for how A.I. were created for RoN like there was for F.E.A.R.

[sudden marsh]

FEAR AI was fucking golden

[next goblet]

I reread the PDF one of the devs put out for how the AI was done, it’s nice to put it next to the game and understand it on a deeper level.

It does make me want to understand how RoN AI makes its own individual decisions, more then the stress system I have heard of.

[sudden marsh]

yeah the AI is god damn weird, even after "updates" im surprised it isnt fleshed out by now

[next goblet]

I’m not going to act like I know how coding AI works either, but the RoN AI is a bit of an enigma at times.

[shy tulip]

From my understanding there's a global and individual level systems. Stuff like throwing flashbangs raises global stress, but it of course impacts the AI in the room more. Gunshots I think as well.

Stress and morale basically decide if the AI is gonna be jumpy and shoot, or if they're going to hesitate, or try to hide, etc. In general you want to take them by surprise, loud stuff makes that hard.

[sudden marsh]

the AI is absolutely asinine, the concepts are nice and i believe if they put their muscle into reworking and enhancing the systems
then the enigma factor will just be reduced by alot

even the stuff you describe and the intended functions are really awesome

[shy tulip]

However, most players go in gun heavy, which is fun (and I'm guilty of.) It's only natural that you go in as a kill squad, you get treated as one.

In my swat 4 experience killing one would cause a lot of others to surrender, which was not just boring, but it was at times just really ridiculous.

I've had 3 guys surrender in one room, one guy in my blindspot, and another guy behind a shelf I couldn't see them in.

Though with some of the stuff people post, I do wish that RoN hand held you like SWAT 4 did and didn't let you execute people.

[next goblet]

Which you could on one hand argue makes sense for a person to do in that situation, but it does trivialize the game I realize.

[shy tulip]

That's always been RoNs issue. Shooting is fun, RoN is an FPS at it's core. Maps like Data Center tried to rationalize it story wise, but if RoN was a 100% realistic game, then you'd rarely shoot in the entire game.

Maybe just on Gerards map, and the terrorists of course.

[storm hearth]

Are they going to be adding controller support anytime in the future?

[noble pasture]

We cant afford more than 5 officers on a mission

[shy tulip]

Controllers aren't confirmed yet

[sudden marsh]

even if they did, aiming would be really awkward.
i tried it once unofficially and it was a nightmare

[shy tulip]

Actually

On certain maps you can see second and third teams holding security

I love Twisted Nerves briefing because it mentions the other teams are raiding other drug sites.

[humble mauve]

Currently it’s unofficially supported with steam big picture mode where you can create your own controller profile or use a community created one

[next goblet]

I’d assume Amos Voll’s guards are ride or die types based on the situation. That’s not something you want to be associated with when you get arrested. But I could just go on about “what ifs” all day.

[noble pasture]

Every time I roll a good team I die

[noble pasture]

No. They get paid a lot and are desperate

[storm hearth]

I'm using controller as of right now through the big picture mode but i was just curious if they are actually adding an official layout

[shy tulip]

They teased it during EA, but as you can see it didn't make it in, I dunno what it's status is as of now

[next goblet]

I do suddenly remember them mentioning doing it for their own family.

[humble mauve]

Plus people that get arrested for what they would be associated with tend to not have a very good time in prison

[shy tulip]

Law & order SVU episode where one of them got executed at the stairs of a courthouse

[noble pasture]

On Jeane's birthday alone Voss paid them a check of 15 grand for 1 day of security. Meaning if 15 guys are on site they get paid 1k for a day of work

[next goblet]

Advanced lore? Holy.

[noble pasture]

You can find the money check on the map with a letter

Basically the voss guards get paid a lot, are scared and entered their fight mode

[river tide]

to be fair, the guards to know about what voss is doing because some spawn in the basement

[noble pasture]

Yeah that too. Also who is the new glasses guy?

A young guy can spawn with a p90

[humble mauve]

Probably one of his associates or friends

I think I heard him talking once but it was a while ago me no rember

[noble pasture]

Funny is LSPD normally doesnt raid on birthdays

But we caught him elbow deep in the cake

[noble pasture]

You think Voss family can recover?

I dont hold it against the daughter or the mom

But he seems to be the money source

[humble mauve]

The mom is kind of associated iirc? But the daughter was basically just a victim

(Also it’s Voll btw not voss )

[noble pasture]

Oh

[next goblet]

The mom was victim as well though no? The video in the front entrance shows her at 17 I think.

Step mother I mean.

[noble pasture]

Yeah, Jeane's real mom is dead or left

Only thing I dont like about Jeane is her turbo climate change activism

Her room is full of it. I think there is even a clue she is vegan

[next goblet]

Oh yeah she is, there’s a note about how her dad, or someone I forget, had the grill for her birthday despite the fact she’s vegan.

[noble pasture]

Its in media in briefing, instagram post

But overall its my favourite map to do

[next goblet]

I cannot say the same. I have now grown a hatred for rich people housing.

Lore wise? Radical. Still haven’t solo S-ranked it though and it hurts.

[noble pasture]

How about I go S rank missions first and then do ironman?

[next goblet]

I don’t understand the question.

[jolly verge]

you can do both

[noble pasture]

Currently I am trying to Ironman the game

Wait what?

[humble mauve]

Highly recommend doing S runs in practice

So you can easily reset if something goes wrong

The extra bonuses the officers in commander can offer are outweighed by things going wrong so often in s runs

[eager jackal]

Also so you can give your bots all VKS' and have some people watching your back with non-lethal

[noble pasture]

Should bots get the VKS, Bean Bag or the pepper ball smg?

[jolly verge]

S runs better to do in commander mode, it's much harder on practice in general

[eager jackal]

Beanbag with bots can sometimes headshot and kill, so no beanbag, Pepperball SMG is just objectively worse than VKS.

[jolly verge]

with pacifier trait only VKS

[next goblet]

I’ve been doing them in friends only lobbies. There is a certain catharsis in knowing that failure is purely by my actions.

[noble pasture]

Can I restart in commander mode?

[eager jackal]

Nope.

[eager jackal]

Do it in Practice mode so you can have bots. And it's still your fault even if you gave them VKS

And limitless restarts

[noble pasture]

What about suspects immune to pepper balls?

[next goblet]

I’ll give it a try.

[eager jackal]

You just have to beanbag 'em

I run Beanbag and bots with VKS, I can take care of Gas Masks

[jolly verge]

none of them are immune to pepperballs, only one suspect on lethal obsession immune to gas/pepper smoke

[eager jackal]

Also, I don't think any suspects on VotD have gas masks or are immune

[eager jackal]

Because he has a gas mask.

No Bolton Security wears a gas mask. Just body armor, but that's null to pepperballs and Beanbags

[jolly verge]

nope, because he has stat in game files that make him immune to this

[eager jackal]

But visually it's linked to his gas mask, to me at least.

[jolly verge]

gas mask model don't really differ is suspect immune or not

[noble pasture]

Did bot nuke my message?

[next goblet]

Seems like it, not sure what for.

[eager jackal]

Well, yeah, I know, I'm just saying I think the visual link is there, not the stat is attached, but there's a connector there

[jolly verge]

suspects on elephant with gas mask not immune, other type of suspect with gas mask on lethal obsession also not immune, only 1 type is

[eager jackal]

That's... Really odd.

[noble pasture]

Oh I said S word, okay I meant vest boom suspects are immune to pepper balls?

[next goblet]

I was about to mention that kid with the gas mask. I had no idea if he was immune to pepper ball or not because of it.

[jolly verge]

nope, but you need to make distance to bomber or he just wont surrender

[eager jackal]

Nope. I usually bring Tazer for them though.

My go-to for hard to non-lethal suspects is just Tazer

Quick question, is there any merit to the rumor shooting the SB's in the chest detonating them?

[next goblet]

From what I recall shooting them doesn’t detonate the vests. I think it’s shooting the hostages with vests that detonated their vests.

[bright rapids]

Every time I’ve shot a vest nothings happened

[next goblet]

Weird thing where suspects with vests have it wired to a trigger, hostages have a deadman switch.

[next goblet]

Same.

[eager jackal]

Yeah, I figured, I just know some people preach it as gospel.

[eager jackal]

It makes sense tbh. You can't hold a deadmans switch AND accurately shoot a gun without some pretty nasty wiring.

[bright rapids]

Personally, if I see a vest and a mask in combination I just head tap them

[eager jackal]

I always aim for body for sweet sweet Incap, in case he's the big man.

I find 2-3 shots with either GA416 or LVAR can reliably incap, more than that is just kill or wasted

[slate peak]

Sometimes they are bugged and immune to everything. Once upon a time I he survived whole beanbag magazine and 2 pepper sprays right in his face and didn’t give a fuck

[bright rapids]

I’ve yet to see a Prime Suspect with a vest on

[eager jackal]

I do it for every suspect, you never know. I sometimes can't see vests so I just shoot first if I see any hostile posture.

[bright rapids]

I have to unload 2 Mags of my MP7 into one of them

[bright rapids]

Makes sense

[eager jackal]

When your in a dimly lit room, with bombers, and a high value suspect, makes sense to me tbh

[next goblet]

I recall a bug on neon tomb where a suspect would be resistant to all forms of coercion unless it was a taser.

[eager jackal]

Sometimes they get bugged or are invincible to coersion without taze

That's why on Neon I pack extra tazer

[bright rapids]

and that’s the story behind why I now run the M320..

[jolly verge]

bomber wont surrender if you to close

[bright rapids]

My Rifle Mounted Light

[bright rapids]

I think it’s if you are within like 3 meters

[eager jackal]

Fair, but I often don't use my light. Too blinding usually.

[next goblet]

The light scares me to use. I keep flashing it like it’s FEAR because they go ballistic when they catch the beam.

[bright rapids]

I find them to be to dim

[eager jackal]

Depends on distance. I guess gun too.

[bright rapids]

I wish they added the ability to strobe the lights

Just to blind Suspects

[next goblet]

I’ve always wanted the flashlight to blind suspects as well.

[bright rapids]

enjoy A bunch of lumens in your eyes heathen!!!!

[eager jackal]

It'd make the flash and stinger obsolete though

[slate peak]

It’s funny how he survives after my whole team shot him with pepper balls 60 times, I flashed him 3 times, then used pepper spray, gas grenade and he just ran away like nothing happened

[eager jackal]

Sometimes they're immune to everything except a Tazer

[next goblet]

Depends though, because both of those emit a 360 degree effect, the flashlight would just be a directed beam if you catch the guy.

[bright rapids]

it’s like the newer Crack Head Suspects

Immune to everything and has one of everything

[next goblet]

I would say you could do a light system, like if you shine the flashlight at a guy in broad daylight that’s not going to confuse him. But if you’re in a dark area the suspect won’t be able to see a thing. But that’s a bit much I realize.

[eager jackal]

Well yes, but I find both the Stinger and the Flashbang to be kinda useless in my playstyle. That's just me, but I still think it defeats the purpose. Especially because Flashbang and Stinger are kinda buggy for me and only work about 7/10 times.

[next goblet]

That is a fair concern, gas just works a bit better and that’s enough for me.

[eager jackal]

And it has no downside at all

Because gas mask has about the same protection as Ballistic Mask (in my experience)

And if it's past the point you notice, there's no point at all, because your DEAD

[next goblet]

There is a single downside from my experience, which is sometimes you cannot see through it.

But I think that might be map specific lighting messing with it.

[eager jackal]

I think that's also kinda not that big of a deal because if you can't see the enemy, they're in the gas cloud, meaning they won't shoot you.

[next goblet]

There has been times where the room outranges the gas, and the suspects laugh at me the moment I walk in to catch someone else.

But that’s not the gasses fault I understand.

[eager jackal]

If it is outranged, throw in more gas

MORE GAS, MORE! UNLIMITED GASSSS!!!!!

[frail quartz]

To be fair, gas severely inhibits your vision while it doesn't for suspects

[eager jackal]

Just use more gas.

Eventually it becomes a problem for the suspects.

[frail quartz]

"The answer? Use a gun."
"And if that don't work, use more gun."

[ionic gale]

Yes

My M4 runs out of ammo in a firefight?

Don’t worry, I have a back up M4 hidden in my arse

Oh, and let’s not forget the seven 1911 that are hidden inside of my legs pockets and backpack

[solemn cairn]

when can you tell a civ to move to exit

[shy tulip]

When you feel safe to

[solemn cairn]

i got all suspects and its still grayed out

[shy tulip]

You can do it at any time, try pressing the key to command them, make sure you're looking at them

[night pasture]

when they are on their knees not cuffed

[solemn cairn]

yyep im sure im looking at them

[solemn cairn]

ah ok thx no wonder

[shy tulip]

I feel like I've commanded them when they're still standing. They kinda look around a bit then run

[lament wigeon]

I have yet to see that

I have issues with them not getting handcuffed by the officers outside though and more than once I’ve accidentally extracted while trying to handcuff the last Civ, so I stopped telling them to run

[noble pasture]

a trap got me this time

[shy tulip]

I know they do it if you command them while they're on their knees

[humble mauve]

that is a hell of a statement with no context

[shy tulip]

It appears you’ve been by yourself in this call for more than 3 minutes. The bandwidth patrol has asked me to disconnect you to save bandwidth. That stuff doesn’t grow on trees!

[sharp fox]

??? 💀💀

[noble pasture]

I gave up on trying to beat ironman vanilla, doing it with mods

[maiden rune]

is there a school shooter map

[stone bay]

Any tactical asian group here?

[noble pasture]

Yes, its named the Elephant

[maiden rune]

is it a fun map

[noble pasture]

Rather easy but need to get good rng

4 suspects with lvl 4 armor and 2 bombs

The suspects will kill cvilians if they get the chance

[ripe zenith]

i wanna use the BCM but I cant find it anywhere, how and when(?) can i get it

[jolly verge]

it's supporter edition weapon only, do you have one?

[ripe zenith]

na

i js wanna use it

[lost inlet]

well dont use it cause its the one of worst rifle in game

[stone bay]

standard addition, i live on australia so its 73 aud so its not cheap

[ripe zenith]

i hate to be that guy but just wait for a discount

[ripe zenith]

alr ty for the info

[lost inlet]

[ripe zenith]

wait, is BCM is the worst, which is the best

[lost inlet]

g36 or f90

[ripe zenith]

acc not even the best

which looks coolest (in your opinion

[lost inlet]

coolest? LVAR

wouldnt use it tho

[ripe zenith]

alr ty for all for all of this info

[lost inlet]

[stone bay]

wait, i got the thing from instant gaming, 43 aud, might be cheaper in usd

plus im in australia, i dont live in eroupe

ok, its cheaper than istany gaming, 34 aud so ill take it, id say this is the cheapest out of all of the RoN versions i found

nvm

g2a pirate games or smth

[ripe zenith]

gj

[stone bay]

https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/2075-buy-ready-or-not-pc-game-steam/?currency=AUD&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=20548710952&utm_content=153829888976&utm_term=&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADNzuvV3x4xvgnDGEO8pJf3nk6s2K

trustable website right?

idk how much it costs in your country

[stone bay]

skibi 😭

[ripe zenith]

i have no idea, just wait for others or research it

[stone bay]

k

anyways thanks for some adive @ripe zenith

[pearl shuttle]

Anyone had the issue of your SWAT team moving in to clear before the rest of the team has stacked up?

[leaden holly]

Yup, bug

Did you know there is a bug where you ask bots to stack up and they just stay in place and not even move

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah I've come across it

[leaden holly]

I had to ask them to follow me and them ask them to stack up

[pearl shuttle]

Worst bug is in Sins of the Father where they can stack in the room with the fireplace but are unable to clear it lmao

[lament wigeon]

I have plenty of times in this game where I can have them stack, but they can’t open and clear. They have to breach and clear

[leaden holly]

Is it because the door is locked?

[lament wigeon]

It’s not

I know that can cause it

But sometimes they just don’t like certain doors

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah some of the maps are funky about that

Like the exterior door on the left side of Gas with the railings

[lament wigeon]

It’s like they can’t quite get into the proper spot

[unborn raptor]

Hi guys, can you guys settle a debate between my friend and I? He swears that incapacitating a suspect is better than killing them. I've said it's literally the same, both functionally and score-wise. Would really like an answer though. Thanks

Incapacitating as in shot with a lethal weapon but when they drop, you get the "Report incapactitated" prompt

[lament wigeon]

It’s better to incapacitate

[pearl shuttle]

Yep

[lament wigeon]

It’s better for your officers mental health in commander mode, and you can still S rank the mission

[pearl shuttle]

I think AP rounds are the best for that occasion as far as ARs are concerned, no?

[lament wigeon]

Correct

JHP spreads out and does more damage to flesh

[soft narwhal]

You can't s rank if you incapacitate

[jolly verge]

incap/kill both give you 5 score, but if you need arrest guy alive, like streamer on second map, incap them will count toward mission objective, but you still gonna get 5 score for that

[lament wigeon]

But they don’t die? I thought that was the only requirement

[soft narwhal]

I believe you used to be able to back then, but you cannot get S rank with incaps.

[lament wigeon]

That’s bullshit they’re not dead

[soft narwhal]

No, you need to get full arrests. Because incaps only give you 5 points towards your score whereas arrests give you a lot more

[pearl shuttle]

Wait side plates share durability? lmao void moment

[jolly verge]

yeap

[eager merlin]

do the enemies on coyote have armour

[lost inlet]

no

[eager merlin]

what maps in general have enemies that dont have armour

[lost inlet]

gas station, streamer, coyote, postal, port, 213, end of earth

[eager merlin]

ty

[noble pasture]

Should I or the bots use ballistic shields?

[jolly verge]

bots can't properly use shields

but you can give them shields for back protection

[noble pasture]

What about me? Basically a laser on a pistol is all I need

[jolly verge]

yeap, five-seven only

be aware that you still can get hits in the arms somehow

[lost inlet]

yep five seven best pistol

[noble pasture]

another run on Ironman without mods and my swat AI got to crisis after streamer map

[crystal sierra]

Was there any new cotent update after 1.0 release? I fihished all missions on S and never turned game on again? xD

[tacit gull]

No

Not yet

[noble pasture]

I have weirdest bug

[tacit gull]

same old

[noble pasture]

if I launch RoN with Nvidia it loads up mods I am no longer subscribed to

[jolly verge]

you might not subscribed to mods, but they still gonna be in the game files

[noble pasture]

Huh oh since you are here. What happens if I hit a suspect with JHP rounds when he wears armor?

Should at the very least be stunned and lowered morale

[jolly verge]

did not i answer that before? 1 sec

[noble pasture]

I forgot

[jolly verge]

Check "range/stagger" list in spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1214368362

[jolly verge]

stagger chance depend on caliber, morale damage the same for all of them

[slate peak]

Have you tried mixing loadouts? Like red team has non-lethal and blue are lethally equipped

[noble pasture]

Tried

[slate peak]

I remember doing iron man mod and only problems I got were on post office, carriers of the vine and mindjot

Sins of the father can be rough sometimes, but mostly it’s fine

[jolly verge]

you should grind 2 negotiators at least, will be much easier with them

[slate peak]

Was running beanbag for most missions, like streamer, gas station, ends of earth, spider, carriers of the vine (just don’t go outside by yourself), relapse

[slate peak]

And neon tomb can be rough sometimes too

[slate peak]

You can also run this setup on elephant, since there are not many enemies

I remember having lots of flashbangs too, I personally carried 5 and each one in my team had around the same amount, but I was too lazy to use it which left me dead sometimes

[noble pasture]

So do you think FISA was in on the traficking on The port map?

[velvet sierra]

how to kill civilians without getting unauthorised force use?

[noble pasture]

Cant

[velvet sierra]

why

[noble pasture]

Saving the civilians is a must

[velvet sierra]

kill civilan

[noble pasture]

Why do you think FISA wants us to lock the traficked people in the container on the Port Map?

[velvet sierra]

what if civilian resist?

[jolly verge]

uh, idk

[noble pasture]

I think he is corrupt and wants to silence the women

[velvet sierra]

he is sigma

[noble pasture]

Not kill them, that would leave a trail. Maybe scare them into not speaking up?

[mental fable]

Maybe the HRT objective is to the find the container with the women inside

[noble pasture]

But why close the doors on them? TEM's should see to them asap

[mental fable]

Oh yea the FISA commander ordered Judge to shut the container

That is one thing we don't understand is why the FISA commander ordered Entry Team to close the container door while EMTs can help them

[noble pasture]

The victims probably know the people who kidnapped them

So FISA has their fingers in that business

[prime wing]

1. FISA is involved and gain by enabling trafficking

2. They are using it to track them as they are moved around to get to the bigger bad guys,

3. They dont care.

one of those

[noble pasture]

I am surprised FISA didnt tell us to let Amos Voll go

Probably too hot to intervene

I think LSPD got to Amos Voll before FISA could clean his act

But I like the coincidence that if it wasnt for the streamer, we could have never find the trail

[mental fable]

The streamer incident is all started from prolly a prank call to a illegal bitcoin farm to connections with CP

[mental fable]

Looks like the HRT was looking for the women to know more infos in Terminal D but ended in Terminal A where the LSPD were tasked in clearing that port area

[noble pasture]

But why close the doors? @mental fable

D Platoon could have secured Terminal A while HRT moved in to secure the hostages

[tacit gull]

HRT were clearing another part of the port, it's left pretty ambiguous as to why FISA wants them there

[mental fable]

Maybe their info is very sensitive that the LSPD can't know but its for FISA

[noble pasture]

We found the hostages first

Also the hostages have their passports confiscated by the russians

I think we can find them

[raven schooner]

FISA might have given HRT busy work so they wouldnt find the crate, considering it can be assumed FISA knows about the crate since the guy tells us to close it angrily

or its just random chance that D platoon finds them

[noble pasture]

So he is with the Trafickers

[mental fable]

A witness in the recording in the briefing

[raven schooner]

I think the dialogue is supposed to imply that FISA is corrupt in some way and tells you to stand down so they can "secure" the women

[noble pasture]

He probably hopes we kill the russians in a gunfight so they dont chirp about FISA

[raven schooner]

I wonder if theres supposed to be a connection between the spider and FISA

if the HRT guys found the crate they could be made aware of what their organization is doing which FISA obviously doesnt want

D platoon is local PD that can be silenced easily

[mental fable]

I mean unless they let Jack Adams go like nothing happened besides being biribed for helping Los Locos smuggling guns everywhere in Los Suenos

[noble pasture]

Or if dlc is canon we get sent over to answer home invasions to get off FISA, basically being demoted to not catch their shit

[raven schooner]

wait thats kinda big brain

[mental fable]

I'm actually curious if FISA silenced or let Jack Adams go

[lost inlet]

melee

[noble pasture]

But to be honest, D platoon got more action in 2 years than other officers get their entire careers

So basically dangerous calls will stop with the dlc story

[sharp herald]

What gun do y’all hope gets added?

[shy tulip]

Railgun

[tacit gull]

Up n' Atomizer

[crude prism]

Ray Gun MkII

[stone bay]

Banana

[noble pasture]

stress mechanic is ass

[frail pier]

Don't kill

Death = stress

If you're going for the achievement and watch just do a lethal mission, have your guys get a little stressed then run S Rank on gas station. After 2 times or so they're back to normal.

[tacit gull]

It's horribly thought out and incredibly gamey, yes

[frail pier]

Indeed...

[stone bay]

it exists simply for gameplay reasons and thats why it sucks

[noble pasture]

dont kill? Have you seen how heavily armed the suspects are?

got rifle callibers by Ides of March

before that its rare

[frail pier]

If you're going to kill run your guys through gas station non lethal to fix em. That's your choice or S ranking everything without any of your guys dying.

[noble pasture]

I am doing iron man run

[lost inlet]

beside all sus shoot on sight, swat irl would put them down with bullets

[frail pier]

Yeh that's your 2 choices to beat it lol

[noble pasture]

got to be a bit trigger happy

1 death is a restart of entire campaign

[frail pier]

Yeh

That's why go lethal then just run them through gas station

Overall easier less risky

[noble pasture]

so killing as many suspects as needed is a matter of survival

on twisted nerve I got rushed by 4 suspects in one hallway

had to kill all 4

[frail pier]

Sound about right

I'm all for killing. I did lethal all my ironman runs. Only restarted once

But definitely cheesed it

[noble pasture]

furthest I got in my ironman runs is Greased Palms

[frail pier]

Give all your bots SA58s

[noble pasture]

why?

[frail pier]

They smoke more suspects lol

Gun hits hard

[stone bay]

i never had any problems regarding the statuses of officers in my last ironman run, 5.56 ap mostly just incapacitates suspects unless its lethal shots like the head, neck or chest

[frail pier]

Any single rifle round to the chest and below incaps.

[noble pasture]

I am on my 20th restart

[stone bay]

i lost 3 ironman runs on Relapse mission because the terrorists kept on fucking one tapping me

[frail pier]

Well AI are easier than ever!

[noble pasture]

so bots get AP SA58 and I use G36C?

[stone bay]

and you know whats worse? i completed ironman with no casualties and even got the developers watch for it but i didn't get the hermit achievement on steam

[frail pier]

Up to you really. But yeh when I speedrun with AI I give them the SA58.

[stone bay]

like for fuck sake, i wanted the achievement, not the stupid watch

[frail pier]

Oh that's weird

[lost inlet]

AK used to be the meta, now 300 blackout are

[frail pier]

Literally anything but 5.56 for rifles is meta. LVAR has a long setup time off the grip. But can still be inconsistent randomly.

[stone bay]

i gave my AIs 7.62 but stayed on 5.56 for my loadout

[lost inlet]

which 7.62?

[stone bay]

ak

[lost inlet]

nice comrade

[frail pier]

Give em the bigger gun

[noble pasture]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message
my problem with Stress mechanic

[frail pier]

They don't have to worry about recoil lol

[stone bay]

thats why i did it

[frail pier]

AK has no recoil though lmao

[stone bay]

i stick to 5.56 cause i have a knack at clicking fast when on semi

[frail pier]

Same

Full auto on that gun is so much fun

Without suppressor it is LOUD

[stone bay]

i don't use suppresor honestly

[frail pier]

depends on the gun

[stone bay]

not a fan of the gas blocking my view when making a follow up shot in a farther distance

[rotund kayak]

isnt that low ready

[bright rapids]

It’s low ready yeah

Idek what high ready is

[rotund kayak]

alr

[dense geyser]

its an option in settings to set low ready to high ready.

[rotund kayak]

you can change your gameplay settings to make your player hold the gun up instead

[dense geyser]

should be under gameplay

[rotund kayak]

yeah I discovered it

[bright rapids]

Is it just preference?

[rotund kayak]

I know. Its your choice sorry if i seemed like I was telling you to do it

[bright rapids]

no no

I mean, is high ready better than low

[rotund kayak]

oh thats my bad

I misread that

It is just preference but ig you could go off what part of the screen you want partly obscured

[lost inlet]

yes imo, cause i know when my gun is touching the wall and when im can shoot

[noble pasture]

Is an ironman strat to shoot first, ask questions later?

[shy tulip]

If you want your team to quit constantly and never use their traits, yeah

[lament wigeon]

It’s what I did and it worked out okay. Yell for compliance, if they don’t move then I blast em

I also use gas grenades so it helped me get a lot of nonlethal arrests

[stoic whale]

i give the suspects 1 chance to surrender if they dont, then they get a few 7.62 bullets in em, it really solves the problem.

[blissful sable]

w pfp

[stone bay]

I have a mod which removes the AI's ability to surrender. D Platoon walks in, they're the only ones to walk out.

[frail quartz]

w-w-w-what about the civilians....

[stone bay]

It works for them too

[blissful sable]

based mod imo

[stone bay]

anyone else find it funny that steel is above ceramic in this game even though ceramic is better than steel

[blissful sable]

isnt steel better but just slows you down massively

[stone bay]

yes in game but irl ceramic plates provide higher protection

that's what i mean

[blissful sable]

oh yeah makes sense

im a bit tired sry

[stone bay]

me too dont worry

[blissful sable]

i dont really know much about armor neither in real life nor in RoN, but i think ingame ceramic tanks a few shots and then just breaks i think

i have no idea

[stone bay]

ye

well yeah all of them have ups and downs

[blissful sable]

and steel plates gives sou more of this shaky „i got shot“ stuff on screen i think

i have no idea

[stone bay]

it's just interesting

Steel armor goes up to level 3+ which is most rifles
Ceramic goes up to level 4 which is larger armor piercing calibers

but in game steel will not fail ever

im actually trying to make some armor but i can't come up with a good way to do it

[blissful sable]

i never played anything expect light armor and ceramic plates xD

[stone bay]

i've never played anything except full heavy steel

[blissful sable]

i going in full heavy?

[stone bay]

always

[blissful sable]

i got heavy steel on one set

with my ballistic shield

[stone bay]

i always use max heavy steel armor and a shield

[blissful sable]

i value my ability to move out of the line of sight

[blissful sable]

W strat

[stone bay]

Shield is like having another piece of armor on you

You can get some free kills before you have to risk your life

[blissful sable]

yee

[stone bay]

plus i love being a tank

[blissful sable]

its funny

i once wanted to play twisted nerve with some friends

i volunteer as tank

they just went full throttle and left me behind

:c

[stone bay]

aw

[eager jackal]

Ceramic better tbh

[open ermine]

Yeah, i found that light armor ceramic works better

[frail pier]

I thought heavy armor and light armor with both ceramic are the same acceleration and speed?

[open ermine]

I think top speed is the same but acceleration is faster with light armor

Btw, what are the requirements for S rank, because i thought i knew but today i cleared the hospital map, non lethal, no one died, no unauthorized use of force, 100% full clear and got A+ instead of S? What could have caused this?

[tiny storm]

maybe you incapacitated someone?

[open ermine]

Nope

Everyone was alive and well and cuffed lol

[tiny storm]

did you do the soft complete thing?

or did it automatically put you out after completion

[open ermine]

No, i 100% cleared everything, actually took us a while to find the last civ lol

[tiny storm]

hm, thats odd.

[open ermine]

Like i have no idea what happened it seemed like the perfect S rank clear and then A+ lol

[tiny storm]

i remember when I did that level (in commander) there was this one guy who was stuck in an elevator

that map is just super odd

[open ermine]

I guess so

Somehow i managed to S rank twisted nerve solo while going full lethal, there was legit like 6 suspects in the whole map, i didn't have to go into the tunnels at all and the main house had like 2 guys, and everyone surrendered without having to be shot

[stoic whale]

Trust me, I have that mod but not installed, it’s already something I do

[tiny storm]

force of habit lmao

[stone bay]

so uh one of the voll guards just shot dudes daughter

thats not normal right

[stone bay]

That’s hilarious, also not normal.

[coral rover]

Quick question. Does it count as losing a teammate if you send them to therapy on commander mode?

[night pasture]

no

[coral rover]

Ok good

Only if they die right?

[night pasture]

therapy is like just a way to help their mental health so they don't quit

[night pasture]

If they quit or die

or get fired

[coral rover]

Ok

I'm trying to get that watch for doing it without losing mates

Cause it's tough

[night pasture]

Good luck

[visual crescent]

does grenade launcher with bangs count for hanged man achievement?

[noble pasture]

wait, checking the guide if you run rifles, only 3 maps have suspects with level 4 armor, Elephant, Sins and Neon Tomb

[crude prism]

ayup

there's not really a downside to just running AP rifles anyways tho

[noble pasture]

so Lethal obsession killed 2 officers from a flanking positon

I have worst luck in this entire comunity

I simply cant beat ironman with current suspect AI

[noble pasture]

Daniela Voll is 30?

Intel says she has a green card for 10 years now, and we know there is a video of her as a teen on voll's projector

Lining up her birthday, she is 17 in that video

Ok we know that game takes place in 2024, movie is dated on 2011 making it 13 years younger

Therefore she had earned her green card in 2014 as she imigrated from Romania

Nevermind, game takes place in 2025

[shy tulip]

In 1 year, nuclear war will turn the world into Los Suenos

[noble pasture]

Any way to make squad AI less stressed?

[tacit gull]

Grind gas station S rank or stop playing commander mode

[jolly verge]

kill the suspects yourself, use sbags trait for less stress from killing and moral officer for more stress heal from arresting

or like i said before, grind 2 negotiators and on every map half of suspects will be surrendered by just yell at them

[noble pasture]

Someone said E stands for Excellent on Ironman

[sharp geyser]

F is for fantastic

[noble pasture]

bots just shotguned a human shield, and they are the ones getting anxious

[lost inlet]

[noble pasture]

I started getting human shields for no reason

on this ironman run I got 1 human shield situation per lethal op

meaning gas and streamer back to back

hostage died in both cases

[bright folio]

i last played like a month after 1.0. anyone mind speeding me up on what changed?

[stone stump]

nothing

[winged ermine]

Hey I was thinking, it would be very interesting to have scenarios that allow rappel raids.
A mechanic similar to Raimbow Six, but without the fictional component.
Another interesting mechanic would be to have the option to raid by helicopter and descend in fast rope like that swat4 mission.

[sudden marsh]

seems to be to complex for void and ready or not as a whole, since they cant do many things llol

[winged ermine]

I don't think it can't be done, I think it's a matter of will, the engine tolerates it.

[tacit gull]

I just don't think the devs are interested in it, it's a lot of work for use in like one single level, there is a modded map that semi-does what you're looking for though

[winged ermine]

In fact you simply put an animation in there and when you are near a window you execute a command to sub execute another animation where you break the glass or use another technique to enter. You simply place a rope asset, which allows you to hook your dummy on it, in turn execute a proper rappel animation and then sub execute options near the openings, as if it were a door.

Well, there could be more maps on which this type of action could be executed.

The rappel and fastrope has been used not only in buildings or high towers of more than 20 floors, it has been used in buildings of 2 to 3 floors, even in shopping malls.

I mean, this is almost a SWAT simulator and it would be interesting and I think it would be a great content/fun addition to the missions that have certain accesses.

[tacit gull]

It's really not as simple as adding an animation and it magically working, as it is right now there are no levels in the game that would facilitate fastrope entry in any way, closest thing you might see its a helicopter entrance on sins, that's it

[winged ermine]

I already know that, I'm not saying that it can be done as if it were magic, but void has no limiting techniques to be able to do it.

[sharp fox]

i want a feature which lets me punch suspects

the new version of the bash

[crisp birch]

what if we kissed at the los suenos police department headquarter👅

[sharp fox]

what if we kissed at 213 park homes ❤️

[noble pasture]

How do you get "due process"?

[tacit gull]

Plant C2 while a suspect is behind a door and hope they get incapacitated from it