👮ron-discussion

[tacit gull]

I think drones could still work, they would be very nice for postal

[crude prism]

"bro this AI is cooked! they're just standing around when they don't know I'm around!"

"LOOK DUDE HES STARING AT ME THROUGH THE WALL!"

[soft narwhal]

ive always found it funny when people react like that just a bit

"oh im making all this noise walking up to this door, but the AI somehow knew i was there and started trying to blast me"

broken ai

[crude prism]

The AI will just lock on you while rotating the entire way around the map instead of actually looking where they are moving

[soft narwhal]

I have noticed that when looking through replays, they'll just stare at a wall either at you directly through it or just some random wall as they try to flank lol

[crude prism]

ayup

its not intuitive, you would need WAY more intelligence points to designate places they should be looking etc

kinda like how the SWAT AI does it

but the suspect AI isn't player-facing most of the time, you don't see them unless you're interacting with them already

[soft narwhal]

I can honestly only imagine the work that would go into making it as realistic as that though

[prime wing]

replay feature is not reliable sometimes to get a good look of their behavior, but then again there is no other better alternative

the devs said it wasnt reliable so im going off that

[soft narwhal]

How does the replay work? Does it work like CS where they just track your movement and look direction, then rebuild the match with bots and have the bots replay it ?

[crude prism]

as long as you jump ahead to ~5-10seconds before what you want to see, the AI should have plenty of times to do the animations properly

when you mess with timescale or set back 1-2 seconds mid animations that when things get funky

[prime wing]

good way to test it would be the make the enemy AI blind (you can make them zombies with some settings)

just watch their behavior and then compare it to replay

[crude prism]

you can even just clip your own gameplay and run side-by-side with the replay

[prime wing]

i forgot about the wand

[crude prism]

It's not very far off, from what I've messed with it

As long as you dont spam skip around like I said before

[twilit rampart]

Fix shader compilation stuttering!

[sudden marsh]

its been months if not 1 year since they added the complex shaders
and they havent bothered to add them

if more people knew what shader comp was, then it would be easier to understand
its why you'll be stuttering on dx12, the game has no precomp and has to load mid game

[stone stump]

all you needed to do is wait like 30 seconds

[sudden marsh]

it takes more than 30 seconds

[stone stump]

[soft narwhal]

it fixes itself for me after 30 to a minute

no more stuttering

including mid raid

[humble mauve]

plus precomp/caching is planned anyway

[stone stump]

kratos would never lie

[soft narwhal]

1000000000000%

[sudden marsh]

so was better swat AI, yet its still the same as it was before after claims of "testing"

[humble mauve]

even with its issues it is greatly improved as to what it was pre 1.0

[soft narwhal]

should i record to see how long it takes for the stuttering to stop in the station

i wonder if a recording would capture it

i havent actually counted the time, but its def not long for me

[stone stump]

...just make sure your shader cache is cleared

[sudden marsh]

3-5 minutes is average, but it does not take 30 seconds

[soft narwhal]

yes boss

steams shader cache right

[stone stump]

no idea, but i don't think so

[sudden marsh]

nah it wont be proper

[stone stump]

shaders are stored in like 20 unrelated places

[soft narwhal]

well there's this, not sure where id go to clear it for ron. so guide me in the right direction and ill clear it and load it up

[stone bay]

yo wtf is up with cheryessa farm

[soft narwhal]

[sudden marsh]

RoN isnt vulkan or opengl, the only way to force shader comp is by driver reinstalls

[acoustic raptor]

This is a feature only available on steamdeck

[stone stump]

read the description, please

[stone bay]

im curious why 8/10 missions are so culty

[stone stump]

no

[acoustic raptor]

Yes, steam doesn't precache shaders

Unless on a steamdeck

[sudden marsh]

yeah only the steamdeck actually compiles shaders

[acoustic raptor]

It's because everyone on the steamdeck has the same hardware

And so they build libraries

[shy tulip]

Time to jerry rig a 4090 into a steamdeck

[soft narwhal]

Yes, I was pointing out the only thing I know of to clear a shader cache atm. It's why I was asking for directions on what to do to clear my shader cache for ron as you asked me to do so.

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-phineas-i-know-what-were-going-to-do-today-gif-15622268

[sudden marsh]

just do a driver reinstall or update + provide a frame time graph
thats the only reliable way

[stone stump]

so explain how it literally did precache shaders on kratos's screenshot?

[sudden marsh]

39 mb isnt alot, and RoN isnt vulkan or opengl

[acoustic raptor]

A better solution would just be for the game to handle precompiling shaders, it's a UE4 game with complex shaders.. should have implemented years ago

[sudden marsh]

^

[acoustic raptor]

He's on a steamdeck

[soft narwhal]

mayne, if i gotta reinstall drivers just to test the time on it, im prob not going to.

i hate reinstalling drivers

[stone stump]

his hands are a little too big for steamdeck, i think

[acoustic raptor]

Well, that's the only hardware that steam has UI for precompiling shaders

So

He's on a steamdeck

[stone stump]

kratos, are you?

[soft narwhal]

no

[acoustic raptor]

So why don't you tell us exactly how to get to that option on a desktop pc

[sudden marsh]

it shows up in settings

but its too miniscule of disk space usage to make any difference

[acoustic raptor]

Where is it

[stone stump]

downloads tab in the settings

[prime wing]

Does it even make a difference in the current version

[sudden marsh]

no, RoN isnt vulkan or opengl

[acoustic raptor]

If the developer hasn't added precompilation, no

[stone stump]

in real world no, because barely any game runs on vulkan by default on windows

[acoustic raptor]

Thank you, you were right. Unfortunately this won't help for RON

[dreamy garden]

two armorers is redundant, right

but it only works with ceramic?

[twilit rampart]

But yes for rdr2

[acoustic raptor]

RDR2 doesn't have any shader compilation stutter

It's just intensive

[twilit rampart]

still stutters a lot

[acoustic raptor]

That would come down to hardware, it has very stable frametimes on hardware that can run it

[twilit rampart]

Does an RTX 2060 fall into that category?

[acoustic raptor]

2060 is going to be having a rough time with RDR2

[sudden marsh]

yeah thats true

[twilit rampart]

😭

[soft narwhal]

the 2060 came out the year after rdr2

[acoustic raptor]

You may have some luck with the post launch DLSS though

Idk but you have the hardware to try it

Other than that you can try 900p aka 1600 by 900 instead of 1920 by 1080. It's the sweet spot in between 720p and 1080p

[soft narwhal]

shouldnt the 2060 be able to handle 1080p gaming

isnt that what the 60 series cards are designed for

[acoustic raptor]

To an extent, it won't cover you for the most demanding stuff

Most of the time when a xx60 can't handle a game, it's because of bad optimization. But rdr2 is one of the rare cases where it's actually just intensive af

[soft narwhal]

im certain a 2060 can handle rdr2 just fine at 1080p

[twilit rampart]

I play it, I have no problem with fps, but the game tends to stutter a little on rare occasions

[sudden marsh]

at what settings?

[twilit rampart]

I play it without dlss and it usually runs at 80 fps

[soft narwhal]

high textures, other settings tinkered with to medium/low

[acoustic raptor]

You won't get a locked 60 nomatter what you do

They'll be dips

[sudden marsh]

with what cpu? i usually run at 90-100 dlss quality on my tests with laptop

[twilit rampart]

Ryzen 5 5500

[acoustic raptor]

But you're using DLSS

Right?

[sudden marsh]

yeah on quality tho

[soft narwhal]

ive gamed on a 2060 and 3060 both for multiple years, had an i7 8700k-9700k most of the time. always ran every single game at medium-high and got steady fps across every game. unfortunately i never played rdr2 until i had a 3060, so i cant speak on 2060, but with my experience, it should handle it just fine.

[acoustic raptor]

Understandable if you're fine with some dips but I consider 60 the minimum

[stone stump]

3060 is definitely already showing its age smh

[acoustic raptor]

As soon as you have a volumetric effect like train smoke a 2060 will drop through the floor

[stone stump]

[sudden marsh]

💯

[stone stump]

poor 2060 with 6GB VRAM

[prime wing]

be like me

needs 0 vram

cause I dont play games

😎

[acoustic raptor]

Man I just want shader precompilation on RON

I can’t fix it with hardware

Devs have to do it

[prime wing]

probably for 1.2 , a year later

[acoustic raptor]

😂

[prime wing]

but honestly its not that much. Its a couple of minutes until the shits loads up

[sudden marsh]

why isnt it #1 is mind blowing, im not trying to deal with stutter at all

[acoustic raptor]

Same

It's a tactical shooter. I want silk

[sudden marsh]

might aswell call it ready to stutter

[acoustic raptor]

Unfortunately the genre isn't producing much silk these days

[sudden marsh]

tactical stutter

[acoustic raptor]

Have they given any update on when we're getting it?

[sudden marsh]

after gray zone warfare, that was the wake up call that the tactical genre is dead

[sudden marsh]

nah they didnt bother to acknowledge it after 1 post

[acoustic raptor]

Smh

[soft narwhal]

if you think the tactical genre is dead, u must be on another universe lol

[sudden marsh]

there isnt 1 tactical shooter that isnt in early access
and not to mention not actually optimized or polished

its apart of a broader issue

[acoustic raptor]

It's in a horrible state right now when it comes to performance

[sudden marsh]

indie double A pipe dream focusing on tactical games
just to see what grosses more and them trying to do crowd control when they cant handle their own game

[soft narwhal]

that doesn't equal dead though, there are tons of players still playing ron and tarkov and now gray zone warfare.

A better phrase would be that majority of tactical shooter games atm are not in a polished state and continue to release like this.

[acoustic raptor]

It's a bunch of highly creative devs pushing new ideas out but leaving a trail of shit behind them in their coding

[sudden marsh]

nah the genre is dead, not literal but theres like little to no hope or quality in "releases".
its colloquialism

were in 2024 and we seen the same cycle happen with RoN, ground branch, operator, and zero hour
now gray warfare

[acoustic raptor]

Honestly, with the indie/aa quality we're getting these days I wish Ubisoft was still thriving as the big bois in the genre

[sudden marsh]

and they have shill's say the usual "the triple A are gonna cry about this one"
"triple A companies will be malding at their knees"

[acoustic raptor]

😂

[soft narwhal]

modern ubisoft releasing a good game 💀

I think that's tactical youtubers that are saying stuff like that

ive only ever heard that come from people like bigfry and especially bluedrake

[sudden marsh]

its beyond tactical youtubers, ive seen on manor lords recently

[shy tulip]

Meanwhile Ubisoft is laying off more staff this year

[acoustic raptor]

At least they knew how to optimize their engines though, I'd trade today's indies/AA for the era where they were making good tactical shooters in in a heartbeat

[sudden marsh]

ghost recon 2001 was so fucking awesome

[soft narwhal]

oh, outside of tactial shooters, yeah. people say that about any game made by small teams.

"triple aaa companies will cry over this"

[acoustic raptor]

And it's sad, this whole conversation wouldn't even be happening if Void would take some of the surprise millions that they made off this game and get a programmer to implement pre-comp

[sudden marsh]

RoN did sell well to be fair and the supporter edition was also a decent chunk
i doubt it would cost a yacht for such a simple implementation

[acoustic raptor]

Big facts

That's still a favorite of mine, wish we got the whole series on PC

[ionic gale]

Hey guys & gals

[gaunt turtle]

wsg bro

[silk junco]

hey hey

[ionic gale]

I’m gud

I’m a avid enjoyer of pistols

[gaunt turtle]

nice good to hear, im doing fine myself just got a big test tho

[ionic gale]

When I rp as a cop, I mod the Glock 19 & mod it to be a Glock 17

I either run a SR 16 or a Mossberg 870 as my primary

[ionic gale]

Ahh oky

[gaunt turtle]

wish we could have a 590....

[urban tulip]

Most law enforcement is getting away from the Glock

[ionic gale]

Really?

Also have I seen u somewhere lol?

[urban tulip]

I just bought my guys the Staccato

[ionic gale]

Ohhh

[urban tulip]

You also want a semi-auto shotgun

[ionic gale]

I got a Staccato mod for the M45A1

It’s cool

[urban tulip]

Nice

[ionic gale]

And wdym US police are moving on from the Glock?

[urban tulip]

Yup

At least in SoCAL

[ionic gale]

Im planning to go into actual law enforcement in my future and I kinda been planning on how to use the Glock

[stone bay]

The LVAR is 300.Blackout ?

[humble mauve]

yes

[stone bay]

Ok thanks !

[ionic gale]

My local law enforcement and county still uses the platform so yeah we are still rocking Austria’s finest

[urban tulip]

No more glocks lol

[humble mauve]

I know the lapd started switching to 509's not too long ago

[ionic gale]

I love the platform so much that I got an airsoft model of the Glock 45 & I’m planning for my first actual gun to be a 17 or something like that

Clone Glocks are apparently a nice choice too

[ionic gale]

Oh?

Ohh that FN Herstal pistol?

[humble mauve]

ye

[ionic gale]

Glock has obviously been in like a majority of law-enforcement in the United States

But who knows maybe at some point it will get replaced by some other pistol

Staccato is like the most famous brand for 2011 pistols but uhh

$2500 for the Staccato P?

which is the full-size model made for service use….

yeah, the Quizno’s paycheck is not going to cover that one

WAIT

oh, shoot in California I don’t think I can even own one because it’s only for law-enforcement

At least the duty models

Yeah, I checked and it looks like that the duty models of 2011s cannot be purchased by civilians

[waxen eagle]

Bruhh I really want to play this game because I am hella bored and I want to play something new but I also heard this game is not worth paying the full price atm ughhh

[ionic gale]

I will pick it up on a sale

I’ve been playing this game for close to a year now and it’s OK, but like there are some problems with it

[waxen eagle]

Yeah they just had sale tho like a week ago or something. Next one will take awhile

[ionic gale]

It’s pretty boring with solo plays so unless you got buddies who are a barrel of laughs or are seal team six operators it’s gonna get pretty stale

I mostly do solo play so I mean, I think the game is OK

[waxen eagle]

Yeah my buddies only play valorant so I was thinking on playing solo

[ionic gale]

IMO? 8/10

[ionic gale]

Yee

[waxen eagle]

8/10 is really good score tbh

[ionic gale]

if you want to get into modeling, there, is that to give you even more fun with the game

Modding*

I mod the game a lot, which I use Nexus Mods (with the vortex extension)

I have like three custom maps, some skins for firearms and some other stuff

Hella I even got mod which gives me more round types with guns

[silk junco]

bub

[ionic gale]

viv

[silk junco]

3 letter names

[ionic gale]

yee

[waxen eagle]

Yeah I usually play games heavily modded even if I am playing for first time. I usually like enhancing graphics and few QOL mods

[ionic gale]

Remember to enable server check side sum when you do get the game

Also, if you heavily mod the game too much, I think it can affect lobby wait times for multiplayer for obvious obvious reasons

[waxen eagle]

Haha yeah that makes sense. But I checked nexus for this game. Its mostly cosmetics and maps mods so

[slender fog]

oh damn hey whats up Chris didnt even know you were in this discord lol used to watch you on gamology, and on your channel

[ionic gale]

Yee I recognize him too lul

Didn’t expect him to jump into my conversation of Glocks as a duty pistol

[slender fog]

hes a pretty chill dude from what ive seen and from his insta etc

[ionic gale]

Yee lul

Tnx for being a badass swat officer Chris

No joke him and other creators are the reason why I’m into law enforcement stuff lul

I’m wanting to be an actual cop one day so I been playing RoN to get a honestly poor taste of what that would look like LUL

[ionic gale]

What is your opinion on CS spray?

I passionately call it the “spicy spray”

[slender fog]

hot sauce make boogers go brrt

[ionic gale]

I mean fun to muck around with but it’s like engravings on your Glock

[ionic gale]

It serves no tactical advantage in game

Also, I call Gerard’s 2 associates his boyfriends

I don’t know where the second guy come from he came during the 1.0 update

I took down Gerard and his assistant as usual, but then I heard another guy firing at me and I was deadshit confused

[stone bay]

Unless you’re trying to get a civ to comply, but in those cases they usually just wind up getting shot.

[fiery sage]

tips for neon

[stone bay]

How do I effectively use the breaching shotgun on double doors?

[sharp fox]

shoot the middle

i think

[vernal bane]

It doesn't matter where you shoot; if you shoot one door, the other one automatically becomes unlocked (if it is locked). Good example is Gas Station; you shoot one of the doors and have a teammate swing the other one open after the lock is broken

[noble pasture]

Any tips to die less?

[vernal bane]

Lethal or nonlethal?

[noble pasture]

Lethal

[vernal bane]

Shoot well

[ionic gale]

I know I kinda liek the Glock but

My first love before I started getting into firearms was the M1911 pistol

It’s a outdated but beautiful pistol

[lost inlet]

ron did both 1911s dirty

[humble mauve]

how

[lost inlet]

high recoil, suppressor increase recoil, 7 rounds, the gun move up vertically when shooting

[spiral surge]

I just got the hawian shirt after the most painful night of my life. I coulden't be happeir

[lost inlet]

good job

[fiery sage]

neon club is fucking hard

jesus

[lost inlet]

you solo?

[fiery sage]

yup

AI teammates

[lost inlet]

in coomander mode or pratice mode?

[fiery sage]

commander

[lost inlet]

😉

you have armorer on?

[noble pasture]

game told me to screw myself

saved a civie from a hostage situation for them to be stuck in the animation

[fiery sage]

moral and kicker i think

[lost inlet]

should get armorer as soon as possible since the game is buggy about armor health causing you to be able tank way more rifle shots than you should be

and neon tomb have bots only use rifle

[noble pasture]

Do you use Gunfighter mod?

[lost inlet]

yes

[noble pasture]

I love the "keeping gun where you aim it while shouting"

God, I got called bloodthristy for not wanting to wable my gun while aiming at a dangerous suspect

[sharp geyser]

Just tell them that your safety switch was malfunctioning and your finger slipped

[noble pasture]

I generally got good trigger discipline

Only way to get me to break roe is if suspects and civies share model. And if I am already wounded

[sharp geyser]

After doing a solo run I'm not taking any chances

[noble pasture]

Recommended AI mod?

[sharp geyser]

no crack for AI I think

Personally I think the AI is fine tho

[river tide]

astrals or ready or not here i come ai

[teal nexus]

Once saved a civie just for a suspects shotgun to disappear and send me on a wild goose chase during an S run

[teal nexus]

Isn’t there 3?

[lost inlet]

only 2

m45 and 1911

[teal nexus]

What about the TLE

[lost inlet]

ye thats the 1911 i talking about

[teal nexus]

Oh mb

Honestly the M45 is the best looking pistol in the game imo

[river tide]

b92x moment

[teal nexus]

Ugly

[river tide]

you’re objectively wrong

[teal nexus]

Blocked for false information

🙏

[river tide]

😐

oh noooo please donttttt

what ever will i do if KiwiEugen? blocked me 😢

[teal nexus]

I’m sure we’ll find out one day

But I’m not saying the beretta is bad looking, lmao, I just prefer the M45 looks

But hands down the Glock is the worst looking gun in the game

Atleast to me

[modern birch]

Hi, didn't RoN start out as a students or friends project?

[sudden marsh]

And it still feels like one despite releasing
RoN is the most flawed tactical shooter ive seen by an indie team

[stone bay]

💯

[vivid shale]

Hey all! Do we know when the next DLC is going to drop?

[sudden marsh]

Sometime in spring

[vivid shale]

Thank you!

[rich shell]

dude why is the game so hard

[livid sluice]

cmon stop being such a debby downer. Im sure stuff will be fixed/reworked whenever the first dlc comes by, which may be this mounth

[rich shell]

im trying to play and the AI is too overpowered

[sudden marsh]

VOID were comfortable with lying by claiming Swat AI was tested and it still suffers from the same issues with miniscule tweaks

And lets not kid ourselves some bugs have been here for years VOID are slow at action or incompetent

Game sold well an estimated 1 million, time to hire a bigger team with that money (not factoring supporter edition)

[livid sluice]

yeah, guess so

[pearl shuttle]

Considering that it's been confirmed that RoN was developed entirely with UE4 Blueprints and nothing else that shouldn't come as a surprise

[compact sequoia]

if ron is a students/friends project, then what does that make zero hour and ground branch

[pearl shuttle]

Both are much more finished and polished than RoN

Zero Hour, for example, has much better friendly AI

And Ground Branch has an actual coherent storyline

[noble pasture]

Ground Branch has a storyline?

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah, it came out of early access last year

[noble pasture]

As a Ground Branch veteran no, it does not have a story and it doesnt come out of early access yet

[pearl shuttle]

You're wrong

[noble pasture]

Only thing remotely resembling a story is mission description. A fully fleshed campaign is not out yet

[pearl shuttle]

Yes it is

[noble pasture]

You just want smoke. I play Ground Branch religiously and I know it doesnt have a story as of now

[pearl shuttle]

You clearly don't play Ground Branch religiously then

[noble pasture]

To prove otherwise, the ingame date is a placeholder

[rancid root]

is that a mod that gives you a female model in the game

[noble pasture]

A youtuber used to run it

Unsure if its public

[rancid root]

any idea where i can find it

[stone bay]

Ground Branch customization is cool but the movement and gunplay are horrendous

It’s like the most unsatisfying tactical shooter I’ve played

Ready or Not definitely has lots they need to fix and focus on but at least the guns are fun

[sudden stirrup]

curios question regarding the "Thank You, Come Again" Mission.
Where is Sharla Leighton actually? Like why was her daughter left alone hiding inside the 4U Gas Station? 🤔

[uncut cliff]

The fact that I always die trying to arrest someone. I start arrested them, then I start getting shot at and die because I can’t stop arrested them. Same thing for checking magazine

And also the incapacitated/dead mechanics are weird. Sometimes you headshot someone and they are incapacitated. Sometimes you shoot someone’s leg and they die

[river tide]

she’s a shooter 🙀

[sudden marsh]

Yeah ground branch just feels like a unity mobile game

And its the same level as that operation trash-doorstep game

[tacit gull]

It's just down to overall damage i think, headshots got broken last update so they no longer kill

[tacit gull]

Atleast harsh doorstop has the decency to not charge you for the privilege of getting railed

[sudden marsh]

Lol yeah thats true, tho the dev is a bragger

Saying "this will be a battlefield killer"

He was out of his mind for that take

[tacit gull]

Yeah, same with asking the SM2 team to work on the project like WHAT

What does OHD have to do with old COD

[sudden marsh]

SM2 Team will either increase the arcade elements or struggle to make things realistic

[tacit gull]

SM2 is dead

They got a cease and desist from activision

[sudden marsh]

It was a nice concept sucks activision was doing a nintendo

[tacit gull]

It might actually go deeper than you think, the dev team mentioned that once they're doing an engine switch you're not gonna be required to own a cod game to play it

Like a bit before they got smited

[sudden marsh]

If you dont have to buy CODS to play it then thats technically piracy

[tacit gull]

Yeah, but that's only speculation as to why activision ripped their head off

[tight quail]

i have a question regarding the weapons on RON, does the weapon in RON has its own statistic like some higher damage, recoil, etc? or are all of them have the same stats?

[tacit gull]

They have their own statistics

I dont think i know any game where every weapon has the exact same stats

[tight quail]

fr? is there a way to view it? or am i just blind

[tacit gull]

Oh, that's what you meant

You can't visualise them anywhere in game

There is a spreadsheet made about them though

[tight quail]

oh ok thanks

[tacit gull]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[tight quail]

appreciate it

[tacit gull]

This should be it

[tight quail]

thanks bro, appreciate it

[noble pasture]

VKS vs Bean bag shotgun?

[tacit gull]

VKS is inconsistent, beanbag is painfully slow and might clip through enemies

but if it hits its a guaranteed arrest

(unless you aim for the head)

[modest fog]

Am I the only one or why is my restraining broken?

[tacit gull]

broken how?

[modest fog]

I don't know. Whenever I press F it just constantly loops.

[tacit gull]

Loops?

[modest fog]

Yeah

[tacit gull]

What does that mean?

[modest fog]

I don't know how to explain it but whenever I press F it says "Restraining..." but it never does

[jolly verge]

can happen when body in agony animation, so you need just wait a bit, don't know what else can cause this

[modest fog]

Oh

[river tide]

when that happens it’s just a glitch and you have to rejoin

[modest fog]

Alright thanks

[noble pasture]

Tips for Hanged man?

Read somewhere that you can let your bots run rifles

[sharp geyser]

you can, just like the Old West achievement

[river tide]

it’s easy just let your ai do it for you

[noble pasture]

Who needs therapy when you can S rank farm gas station?

nevermind, my team mates were stupid

[sinful lake]

That works?

[noble pasture]

As long as the friendly AI decides to work with you

With me they failed to disarm 1 suspect who killed 2 officers in exchange

[sharp geyser]

Lock the AI in a room so they don't have to witness the horrors beyond human comprehension you're about to commit

[noble pasture]

How lore friendly is the AK?

Feels so out of place for American Swat

[shy tulip]

Alaskan Police use it

So it's cannon™️

[tacit gull]

I think australian only AUG is more out of place really

[noble pasture]

Yeah but the Alaskan police use it only in areas bear attacks are common

[noble pasture]

Custom order for bullpups?

Before F90 only bullpup was p90

[shy tulip]

Idk, all I can say is there is an image out there of one of their normal police teams taking pictures with AKs

[tacit gull]

Well then same argument can be made for the SLR really

[noble pasture]

The recoil is something, so might as well not have full auto

[timid wraith]

i have to do greased palm s tier 😔 any tips?

[granite peak]

dlc when 🤑🤑💸💸💸

[umbral oar]

In the future

[shy tulip]

Grease your palms

[stable kernel]

Greasing you own palms is pointless, have a friend or colleague do it /s

[noble pasture]

even with No Crack Ai mod, the guy on Lethal obsession 1 burst killed me on a Hardcore run

love seeing balanced ai

was literally in first room

[shy tulip]

Get rekt

[dry cosmos]

anyone ever managed to kill all 4 swat ai teammates, theyre so tanky and usually have good aimbot and rush you all at once, idk how suspects manage to do that sometimes

[noble pasture]

Do you guys run gunfighter mod?

[stone bay]

I don’t think that’s possible, you kill one and the other three annihilate you.

[noble pasture]

Do you use gunfighter?

[sharp geyser]

tell them to stack up a booby trapped door and use C2

why do all the hard work of shooting them 1 by 1

[shy tulip]

The swat ai purposely get tanky and I think your health drops to 1 when you are trying to kill them

Do your job, stop trying to be a war criminal

[noble pasture]

Should I use mods?

[sharp geyser]

absolutely

[noble pasture]

But "Mod detected, score unnoficial"

[stable kernel]

It’s just text on screen, it doesn’t block cosmetic unlocks or ranks from saving, or achievements for that matter

[shy tulip]

It won't impact achievements, you just won't get an official score for maps

[noble pasture]

So I did today Valley of the Dolls twice but could never find last civie, mod issue?

[shy tulip]

That's not really enough to go off of. It could be a mod issue, or it could be they were in a corner you didn't look in

[crude prism]

skill related

[noble pasture]

I had gunfighter mods and the no crack mods

[crude prism]

try turning on replay and go back tabbing through everyone if it happens again

[noble pasture]

Shouldnt make civies despawn

Should I give my bots AK's?

Big fat round with AP stats

[prime mural]

Or just be like the AI and kill them as they walk thru a fatal funnel

[prime mural]

Does ak even have any functional differences? I swear it takes the same bullets to kill

[noble pasture]

Its clearly not a 5,56

[sharp geyser]

anything can be 5.56 if you try hard enough

but you should give them whatever you feel what fits most with the map, I usually give alpha and charlie a shotgun + C2 and stinger and bravo + delta has a AR or SMG with stingers and the mirror

[crude prism]

ak is just the litmus test for whether or not you're paying attention

[prime mural]

Not what I meant. Pretty sure the stk is the same as 556.

I've always just had them run the fal and called it a day

Or just run whatever's cool to u cause they're all functionally near identical

[frail quartz]

The JHP 7.62 has better armor penetration than the JHP 5.56, but other than that they have pretty similar stopping power. You'll still be two-shotting suspects on the majority of maps

The only map where 7.62 really makes a difference in terms of damage is A Lethal Obsession where 5.56 AP has its shots-to-down increased to 3 while 7.62 still has 2

[gleaming fable]

9mm boolets from bad guys going through a foot thick concrete

[stone bay]

Man, the CIA just be handing out concrete penetrating rounds to anyone these days.

[eager jackal]

Then we have my 7.62 and .357 Magnum not penning wood half the time

[crude prism]

step 1: complain
step 2: submit no evidence for complaints
step 3: things never get fixed

[sharp geyser]

mfw my 5.56 can't pen a 10cm wooden door

[crude prism]

source?

[sudden marsh]

people have done that and VOID are slow shits about it, but yeah thats true

[crude prism]

there's 2 bug reports for penetration in the past 2 years, one is just a clipping issue with the AI poking throuhg surfaces, and the other is about riot shields lul

if people want to actually make a baseline and then some assertions about what they think might be wrong, I'd love to see it

because the testing that I'VE done is consistent with what should be expected lul

[sharp geyser]

saw a suspect's arms clipping through a door and tried to use a civ as a meat shield but she wasn't very useful, so I just tried to shoot the suspect and did absolutely nothing

on Sins of the Father

[stone bay]

Classic RoN moment tbh

[crude prism]

whenever you think you see something questionable, just clip it and watch it back or use the replay system, usually can help show some extra info

[sharp geyser]

ye should've enabled replays but I was tired and forgor

tbf I should've used the stinger launcher at the door and pushed the suspect inside the room but eh

[gleaming fable]

Im Not even complaining.i thought it was funny that its penning that much

[sharp geyser]

hmm 9mm should pen about 25cm/10in of concrete if you shoot the same hole iirc but not 30cm/1ft

[bronze sequoia]

Bro can they not fix the AI's accuracy? I keep getting one shotted from guys that shouldnt even have an angle on me

[ionic gale]

Helo guys

[eager jackal]

Apparently last I checked A.I that're aware with gun raised have a .1 second reaction time. Fact check me on that tho.

I think it is pretty absurd the difficulty sometimes

[silk junco]

bub

[gleaming fable]

Me and the homies run our own ai mod to alleviate the cracked aim the ai has.

[bronze sequoia]

I'd do that but idk how to do anything modding wise

[elder void]

New Briefing tomorrow?

Need to give us Something for lack of updates last week

[gleaming fable]

Best guess theyre going ham with the upcoming dlc.

[ionic gale]

Thanks Jonothan for the tier 1 sub…

Ur off the FBI HRT hit list for now

[burnt chasm]

What's up with Wenderly Hill's Hotel map being removed?

[shy tulip]

It was completely remade into Sins of the Father, as they said they would, along with port and farm

They were legacy maps that the devs weren't happy with (based on current map design standards) and were remade completely

[ionic gale]

I like how valley of the dolls was practically untouched map wise

Maybe some character models and other smol stuff but still

I feel like valley of the dolls is like the dev’s Magnum opus

[shy tulip]

Valley was likeee.. If I'm remembering right, probably one of the last maps prior to 1.0

Besides Neon and I want to say Brixley

Everything else was pretty much around EA release or before

[ionic gale]

Yrsh

I remember one time when Daniela Voll hit me

[shy tulip]

So it makes sense, they had a map that fit their current vision whilst the other ones were older maps that people liked, but needed to be updated in some ways

[ionic gale]

After many run through of this woman knocking me out and hurting my teammates…

I was done with it

so I disengaged the safety of my Mark 18 and uh put a magazine in her because she would not stop assaulting my officers

I’m sorry, but I feel like that even though she’s a civilian, I have some sort of right to at least put a warning shot in her

[shy tulip]

Well, since you were sorry you're better than 90% of RoN players

[ionic gale]

Yee ig

Other than that one time, I have just tased her and give her a little nudge with my rifle

I really don’t know why she actually tries to hit you

Admirable effort in trying to get me and my element out of the house but if you touch me or my officers, I’m just going to order my squad to put 5 tasers in u

I heard that some civilians that visibly are older or have health issues will actually have bad effects to the taser

[shy tulip]

Tis why everything is a less than lethal or a lethal

[stable kernel]

Not in this game, but in SWAT 4 yes

[ionic gale]

Ohh I got it confused yeah

I’m thinking of getting that game at some point

I’m gonna get money soon so yeh

How much does the DLC cost because…

[stable kernel]

You'll end up seeing that they basically copied alot of the core premise, and the ideas of how systems work

[ionic gale]

aside from payday 2 this is gonna be one of the only games that I will actually be probably spending money on for DLC

[stable kernel]

If you buy on GOG you get the dlc with the game, for $10

Just make sure you set up the SEF mod for it though

[ionic gale]

It looks like that GOG is the only reputable source to get this game now

I am going to be getting the SEF mod too

I got the mod files sitting in my computer right now waiting to be used

[stable kernel]

Needed for modern resolution, if nothing else. Alot of items and QoL changes as well

[ionic gale]

Yee

[shy tulip]

such as making S ranks doable when you get shot

[ionic gale]

Honestly something I would like to see in the vanilla game is a regular patrol outfit

[shy tulip]

otherwise you will lose S for getting your toe tickled

[ionic gale]

Wait, so if a suspect swears at me and I get butthurt, I lose my S rank?

[ionic gale]

I think it would be cool seeing the LSPD patrol officer shirt and pants

me when I see a sprinting crackhead tank my entire canister of spicy spray

[thorny escarp]

is there a way to stop my ai from whipping out secondarys and killing suspects when im going for S

[amber dock]

take away all their pistol ammo

they'll still whip out their secondary but they won't kill

[thorny escarp]

smart thank you

[rustic venture]

Is it coming to Xbox series s

or ps5

or 4

[thorny escarp]

probably not anytime soon

[stone bay]

Probably not. There are too many controls to map on a controller.

[thorny escarp]

they say sometime during 2024 so you can believe that if you want, but it just doesnt seem feasible

[whole light]

yo i've just bought the game and heared there is a dlc coming this true? if so whats the dlc bout

[thorny escarp]

can beanbag shotty kill suspects?

I think I just killed the very last dude in my S run lol

[soft narwhal]

yeah it can

[thorny escarp]

smh

just killed another ffs

[noble pasture]

Dont aim for the head

[thorny escarp]

they rush me point blank and im used to aiming head height in fps games

im just using the ar now

[noble pasture]

I got jump scared by a meth head today

I wanted to mirror a door and it busts open with a meth head, pistol to my head

Friendly AI shot first

[brisk flax]

Will ready or not release on console?

[bitter remnant]

what happened to the b1301 entryman

[marble juniper]

do your own cops kill you if you just kill enemies?

litterally headshot one dude on last mission of ironman and i instantly died

[thorny escarp]

if you kill non combatants

so surrendered civs, and maybe also cuffed suspects

its considered killing innocents so they just blast you

[noble pasture]

Practically

Just shoot people clearly armed, if hands are up or on the ground no more shots

[thorny escarp]

what can enemy ai hear/see? will they see my flashlight? will they hear loud footsteps?

[marble juniper]

dude was walking around and shot him and i died somehow

[thorny escarp]

bug maybe

or if it was a civ it might of been unlucky circumstances

like he surrendered the frame you shot him or sumthin

[humble mauve]

still in game, supporter exclusive weapon

Supporter exclusive items went from showing as locked to not showing at all for people that don't have them with 1.0

probably due to it not being purchasable anymore

[noble pasture]

Doing an Ironman attempt

How do I snatch the Fisa guy on greased palms?

[autumn wagon]

quick question is record replays supposed to turn off every time you close the game or is that just me?

[split inlet]

shoot the bleach blond guy in the navy blue jacket in the nutsack with a beanbag shot gun

[sharp geyser]

It turns off every time you close the game

[noble pasture]

Should bots get shotguns?

Unsure if they switch to pistols in case of human shields

[sharp geyser]

they'll shoot the civ regardless

[noble pasture]

So back to rifles

[pale trench]

istg my dumbass got absolutely merced in Twisted Nerve

random ass crack head just jumped at me in the caves bruh

[river tide]

or if they aren’t looking don’t shoot

[crisp birch]

is throwing an ungodly amount of grenades the best way to clear a room

[river tide]

probably not

depending on the room, just c2 it and run in with a shield

[noble pasture]

Got A on Valley

Somehow a civie was incapped, suspects shot her?

[river tide]

that would do it

[noble pasture]

Searched like 5 minutes for last bit of evidence

It was the cp in bed that I was missing

Did they turn Amos into a civilian again?

I didnt see him having a gun

[river tide]

he isn’t but you need to keep him alive for an objective

[noble pasture]

I had a taser for him, but it wasnt needed

Got a new strategy, i use a beanbag shotgun and bots use lethal guns

Should make A+ ranks easier no?

I lead. They cover me

[river tide]

i just use jhp rounds in my secondary, aslong as you don’t mow them down, they don’t usually die

[misty island]

No, but he migh spawn with out one. Same with junkies on Twisted Nerve.

[misty island]

Would be easier to go straight for S.

[noble pasture]

So run rifle with taser then?

[misty island]

There is no reason to go for A+ instead of S rank, that is what I mean.

[noble pasture]

Oh

[misty island]

You can go fully less-lethal and if you make a mistake it will just be A+.

[noble pasture]

What rifles would be best around?

[river tide]

anything but the sa58 lmao

[misty island]

For what? Most rifles are the same.

[noble pasture]

Armored suspects

[misty island]

SA-58 is good for one shots incaps.

[misty island]

ARN-180

[river tide]

or one shot deaths, which you don’t want to happen to voll

[noble pasture]

So george isnt needed alive?

[misty island]

Welp, then aim at the balls and not head or torso. I mean, that is what you mostly do as hitting person in center of mass has greater effect than anywhere else. But not in this shit game.

[misty island]

George? You mean Voss? If yes, then depends on what you are trying to achieve.

[river tide]

that’s the hard part, you’ll have to aim while getting shot at, even if you hit those areas could still die and if you do more than one say they’re next to you, then they’re dead

[river tide]

maybe he’s talking about the spider with george brixley

[noble pasture]

I mean the VIP on Spider

George is in cahoots with Amos

[misty island]

Oh, ty.

[misty island]

Depends on what you are trying to achieve. 😄

[noble pasture]

Bots killed him on this ironman run

[misty island]

I have not played in a while and do not remember how powerful SA is. I just played with it for fun and on Ironman.

[misty island]

And? If you complete mission higher then F it is a pass.

[noble pasture]

You cant kill some VIP's

[misty island]

Why?

[noble pasture]

It fails the mission

[misty island]

Like what mission?

[noble pasture]

Fisa guy on greased palms is a case

[misty island]

You just fail one objective, not whole mission.

[slim herald]

your standards are low as hell... below A+ the mission is a Fail to me

[misty island]

After getting all achievements I can get any mark now.

[slim herald]

if you are contempt with F's because you want to shoot everyone in sight good for you then

[misty island]

Nah, if I want do to that, I will go to COD. But to get A+ you need to play with less-lethal and you allow some mistakes. At the state this game is right now it is just suffering.

[slim herald]

that's why mod's exists, no mercy for terrorist for example give you the choice to play the way you want

especially since you already have all the achievement

[misty island]

I do not like mods and it is an awful system in the game - it is pain in the ass to install them and delete them.

[slim herald]

nah it's easy as hell, you download the pak you want, you drag it into a folder and when you want to delete it you delete the pak

i can show you if you want

[river tide]

if you kill the fisa dude you fail greased palms it isn’t optional

[noble pasture]

The other guy said it was optional

[river tide]

some missions it is like voll but fisa isn’t optional

[misty island]

No, thank you. I do not think I will play the game sensible update o it, but Void suck at updates in general.
I was bitching about the mod system that is in the game already. You are just better off downloading mods from Nexus and installing mods yourself. The same issue as setting the right settings in the game - go in folder, edit some .ini files and you are good to go. Shit system for a shit game by shitty developers.

[slim herald]

yeah i only use nexus personnaly, don't like the mod system like skyrim, fallout and ron

[noble pasture]

Any tips to find the elephant bombs faster?

[misty island]

learn their spawns and firstly you deal with suspects.

[misty island]

What happens if you kill fisa? You just fail the objective, that is it. You do not fail the whole mission.

[noble pasture]

I think you fail the mission, in briefing says if he dies you spend the rest of your career in evidence locker

So canonically he has to live

[misty island]

What they say in any briefing does not really matter. I killed him multiple times and still completed the mission.

[noble pasture]

Mods?

[misty island]

Vanila

[slim herald]

yeah if you want to play rp, (like most of us lol) but to some what matters is that you can move on to the next mission

[noble pasture]

Recommended guns to speed run elephant on ironman?

[misty island]

SA with AP

[noble pasture]

SA?

[misty island]

Yes.

[noble pasture]

Whats that?

[misty island]

A weapon. What do you expect me to say? 😄

[slim herald]

if you are refering to the SA-58 OSW then it's at the bottom of the Assault Riffle list

[noble pasture]

What is best gun for the bots?

[misty island]

SA

[noble pasture]

They dont suffer of high recoil guns

[misty island]

They have perfecta aim and that weapon can 1 shot incap, so yeah. ANd give them AP.

[lost inlet]

any rifle with AP, they all 2 shot on torso

[misty island]

Rock and Stone!

[lost inlet]

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!

[misty island]

Except SA.

[lost inlet]

nope elephant bots have 200 health and SA with AP deal only 160

[misty island]

Yes, you are right. I forgot about increased health.

[noble pasture]

Rock and stone!

[lost inlet]

Rock and stone brother!

[river tide]

depends where you hit them

[misty island]

We do not count the head.

[lost inlet]

headshot can 1 tap but body shot is easier and faster

[river tide]

i was referring to body shot

[misty island]

2 body shots with SA.

[river tide]

like if they get shot in the hand they won’t die as fast as a heart shot

[misty island]

There is no "shot in the heart" mechanic in the game.

[river tide]

still, a body shot would do more damage than a arm shot

[lost inlet]

AP deal pity damage when hit in the limb anyway, beside this isnt swat 4 where they would actually suffer debuff when got shot in the limbs

[native rune]

Brixley firing with unaffected accuracy after taking an SLR47 round through both hands

[river tide]

could just be adrenaline

[misty island]

Lol, can not talk about the mechanic in the game.

[lost inlet]

adrenaline doesnt help the broken bones goes unbroken my guy

[misty island]

I heard the Brixley will commit the unthinkable if he is last man standing. Can anyone confirm?

[native rune]

I only saw this happen consistently before 1.0

[lost inlet]

yep

[upbeat heath]

what you mean by ''unbthinkable''

[native rune]

Since 1.0 I have not seen it once from him or any other suspect without ai mods

[lost inlet]

after 1.0 he just started fighting along his goons

[misty island]

Something that will get your message deleted by automod.

[upbeat heath]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[misty island]

I saw it once after 1.0.

[lost inlet]

👨‍🦲 💥 🔫

[upbeat heath]

oh

the s word

[native rune]

Why is he bald lmao

[misty island]

Yes, S-word.

[lost inlet]

dont know just picked random emoji

[native rune]

Can’t have S-tier without S-word

[misty island]

You will not get S-rank if someone commits S-word.

[river tide]

i’ve not seen it personally especially when he’s the last man but i have seen a video where he pulls the gun on himself

[lost inlet]

anyway you could just put 2 or 3 round in him, you dont need him to be on cuffed while on knees, just need incap

[river tide]

do any other important people do that too if they’re the last left like voll?

[misty island]

I had a video, where a suspect has a hostage as a shield and he shoots him in the head, but I kill the suspect before animation ends and civilian is alive, lol.

[lost inlet]

yep

[river tide]

what maps

[native rune]

Again, personally saw it consistently before 1.0, never after

[misty island]

I do not think so.

[lost inlet]

wait you meant pulling on themself

[river tide]

i just kill both

[lost inlet]

sorry nope

[river tide]

yes like george

[misty island]

I saved the hostage that was supposed to be dead. I was in shock for a sec.

[river tide]

lame it sounds crazy but i wish that was more common in suspects if they have no hope that they pull the gun on theirselves

it would honestly be more realistic but suck for s runs

[lost inlet]

thinks bots on neon tomb can but havent seen them do it yet

nor fake pulling on themself

like void showed in the trailer

[river tide]

imagine a suspect could put a gun at his own head and yell orders at you so he doesn’t end himself, that would be crazy

like rdr2 style

[misty island]

Oh, yes. The guy you need to arrest sometimes does the S-word.

[river tide]

like the hospital and nightclub terrorist leaders?

[lost inlet]

lmao mfw when bots just instant switch from about to pull themself out model to "perfect" form of shooting model during the trailer

[river tide]

i wish the suspects did stuff similar to what the end life bombers do in neon tomb, like run at you and explode, for example i wish on twisted nerve, junkies would run faster than they usually do and charge you with a knife

[misty island]

I am sure about the club leader. Never happened in hospital even when he was the last guy standing.

But club leader was not last guy standing and still did it.

[river tide]

makes sense he could be confident he blends in since he always wears a doctor outfit

[river tide]

that’s awesome i don’t know how i’ve never seen this, to be fair i just kill everybody

[crisp birch]

how to not go insane trying to find the last civillian

valley of the dolls specifically

[river tide]

“All teams, do a search and secure”

[misty island]

I almost failed my Ironman run, because last bomberman was ambushing me. But instead of silently exploding, idiot started praying and I mag dumped him

[river tide]

no way they can pray?

[crisp birch]

im literally spamming it

[lost inlet]

meh the voice lines give it away, if not they would be holding a gun. Generally die due to disguise only work on first time or second time, the rest would be just void bots being bs

[misty island]

More chances to get it if you use a lot of c2, grenades and non supressed weapons.

[river tide]

then they’re behind a locked door

[crisp birch]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[misty island]

Are you plaing with SWAT AI?

[crisp birch]

embed fail.

[misty island]

The guy ran at me and prayed before exploding, that saved my run.

[river tide]

true but he doesn’t know that so he is probably more confident

[river tide]

that’s insane, i wish certain maps had more different ai like the twisted nerve map i know they’re junkies but they barely charge you and there’s only two hiding spots there

[misty island]

Do not spam. Say once and wait. If they do nothing, then you need to find the civ yourself as either the civ is not on his knees or you never swa him.

[river tide]

i wish suspects would hide more

[crisp birch]

yes,is that the reason they got a extra chromosome

[river tide]

like i know how some suspects hide behind a door before shooting you but i wish they did that with knifes and fists

[lost inlet]

the only time i got tricked by disguise is when sus bots used civil wimpy voiceline to trick but i didnt let my guard down since bring order to chaos didnt show up being cross out

[misty island]

Each developer sacrificed one of theirs for SWAT AI, but the devs still stayed with one extra.

[misty island]

I always get tricked by suspects on the Hospital map by suspect screaming "Don't shoot" and them mag dumping me.

[river tide]

honestly they should add snipers, i know it’s not realistic but imagine im next to my friend aiming a sniper at that suspect and he aims at my officer and i just fire

or at least make an ai sniper like irl

[misty island]

Sniper like in SWAT 4.

[river tide]

so if a suspect leaves the building they get sniped

[misty island]

@copper solar what was that?

[river tide]

???

[lost inlet]

nah void said too much advantages for player, cant have players have a great time clearing map, need players to feel as much as trauma and sadness as possible

[misty island]

Shit, the game was supposed to have snipers, drones, climbable ladders, shotgun traps and other content I do not know of. They did not even cared to remove that from their web page, lol.

[lost inlet]

just discord bot being a 🐱

[river tide]

ong, they should make suspects hide in garbage bins then ambush the player

[native rune]

They can’t even make the bed and closet hiding work

[misty island]

Lol, it is a bot. I am and idit.

[river tide]

in twisted nerve there was a ladder you used to be able to use to get to the second floor outside

they removed it though and now you can’t get up it anymore

[misty island]

They did. Suspect used to hide there, not anyomre.

[river tide]

is that why when i do a search and secure, it says checking closets

[river tide]

well on twisted nerve there’s a few beds it works on

[native rune]

Yes but it was always jank and as far as I know it never had significant utility, like suspects being able to shoot from these locations. They just slowly step out

[misty island]

Yes, On Ides of March suspect really liked to hide in the closets.

[slow nova]

The only way I could do that was if you had a good reason for me not to be in the house

[misty island]

And half of them incorrectly as they stick out or get stuck.

[native rune]

Exactly

[river tide]

one of my favorite mods is a astrals ai because it makes ai hide more

oh and it’s even dumber why civilians don’t hide, like in hospital why are they just standing middle of a hallway

[native rune]

Using a mod to make the ai hide more really highlights how broken the hiding is. They get stuck inside the hiding spots and never surrender, surrender inside the hiding spots, break the swat ai trying to check the spots etc

[crisp birch]

HOLY

[misty island]

Also last suspect was hiding below bed bunk, me and my friend cleared the hole maps and after clearing the last room we were searcign the whole map for the idioit. He never came out and tried to kill us, just stayed there.

[crisp birch]

finally finished valley of the dolls

[river tide]

you have to yell at him for it

makes reasonable sense honestly too

[crisp birch]

unironically,cs gas.

[misty island]

i mean, he could have gotten out and try to kill us.

[river tide]

honestly what’s the most realistic ai mod you guys know of?

[river tide]

maybe he was scared

[slim herald]

"Here i come" is my personal fav, many options to chose from. Make sure to read the page properly and install it manually tho.

[river tide]

yeah it’s good but all it did was change ai up didn’t change their hiding stuff or where they move

[pastel adder]

Hoping to god the new DLC introduces more character development/drama like Port Holkon

[glossy solar]

the multiplayer down for eveybpdy?

[pastel adder]

To this day the maps I stream/play with friends who recently got the game (so they can understand the vibe of the game) is Voll’s Mansion and Port Holkon

[pastel adder]

Don’t know. Haven’t tried yet

[glossy solar]

when i try to join randoms it kicks me out and when i host everybody joins en loses connection right after

[pastel adder]

Omw home rn from hanging wit my boyfriend. I can check in like thirty minutes. See if it’s down for East Coast

[glossy solar]

alr ty

[tacit gull]

Are you using any mods?

[river tide]

could be reshade?

you can’t do multiplayer with reshade or that happens

[steady dragon]

reshade does work

[river tide]

when i had it, it crashed everytime i went into multiplayer or tried to start a multiplayer mission

[crisp birch]

what if ready or not was called freaky or not,and instead of doing some tactical thing

[river tide]

worked right after i uninstalled it

[crisp birch]

you get freaky with the suspect

[steady dragon]

i had the same problem with me not being able to join someone bc of a mod i cant get rid of but i just disabled something with server in the settings

it was some mission and that bs mod shop ingame cant delete it for some weird reason

[steady dragon]

u prob used wrong settings or smth i used a bodycam tut on yt

[river tide]

i did body cam preset

[steady dragon]

one thats to old? or maybe your pc cant handle it

[vital wing]

Is game performance better than on the start?

[glossy solar]

i am but it still happens on safe mode

so thats not the problem

[tacit gull]

Well then i don't know, unless steam matchmaking is down the servers shouldn't go anywhere

[noble pasture]

vanilla AI is too hard for S ranks

[tacit gull]

no

Gonna finish my S rank runs when the less lethal stops breaking

[noble pasture]

Or, get No Mercy Mod and run rifles

Unless you blantantly shoot civies you get a S

[tacit gull]

or just go play ground branch

[noble pasture]

Cant, with current build I get active migraines

[tacit gull]

There's no point to getting S rank if you're just gonna cheat it

[vital moat]

ok so

i tried an s rank on elephant and got a A+

wtf (all suspects survive, my ai officers were playing cards in the van while i solo'd and i got everything)

[tacit gull]

Did a civilian get shot?

[mortal flint]

he was on elephant, i think one of the suspects shot a civ so he didnt get S rank

[umbral oar]

read y

[umbral oar]

ornot

[elder void]

Uhhh... Where's our Friday Briefing at?

[weak kindle]

good question, esspecially since there wasn't one last week

[shy tulip]

It would be next Friday since last Friday they had to skip, but they keep up with the 2w schedule

[elder void]

We should get two briefings for two consecutive Fridays to make up for last week

[hexed egret]

we should add a waco 1993 themed level

[sudden marsh]

It would enrage the fans more
spotlighting stuff thats less important
considering the bad state the game is in

The slightest claim of "were fixing this" would be hard to believe considering VOID's past

[floral pulsar]

What’s the best armor in the game or how do I know when to use what

[shy tulip]

Kevlar is the lighest but doesn't protect well. Ceramic is good but can break. Steel can't break, but will still cause some damage to you, and create metal fragments that can hit people around you

I just go with ceramic and im gucci

[elder void]

Not interested in a fix. A screenshot of the upcoming DLC would be nice. It's almost Summer and we were promised a DLC in Spring

[floral pulsar]

Simple terms pls

Should I just use full coverage ceramic

[shy tulip]

That's as simple as you're getting

It will work

[floral pulsar]

what would you recommend

[shy tulip]

I use ceramic with full, it's a good mix of speed and armor

Never felt the need to use anything else

But you lose slots to get full coverage instead of front/back, and you're slower to get to max speed

[floral pulsar]

what’s better for Incap, buckshot or slugs

I don’t understand the damage stats on the spreadsheet tbh

[noble pasture]

Well neither, buckshot shreds unarmored and stuns armored

Slugs shred both

[floral pulsar]

So… slugs?

[shy tulip]

I feel like if you're gonna use buckshot you may as well just try to aim for armor to get normal arrests

Incap is the same as them dying score wise

[floral pulsar]

Bruh

shouldn’t it be atleast slightly better

[floral pulsar]

Since they ain’t dead, just incapped

[shy tulip]

He's no good to interrogate if he's in a coma

[floral pulsar]

.,.

[stable kernel]

And incap is also likely to die before EMS is able to get to them

Since they have been shot multiple times

[floral pulsar]

oki

[frail quartz]

Ceramic has the same speed penalty as kevlar, doesn't it?

[frail quartz]

I assumed they were only labeled as incapacitated if their bleeding wasn't bad enough to where they wouldn't die before EMS arrived, dead is obviously if the former isn't true

I think incapacitated should still be worth slightly more points since a suspect in critical condition is better than a dead one, but obviously not enough to where you can S rank it with suspects incapacitated

[frail quartz]

Also incapacitated VIPs still count as arrested in the score

[stable kernel]

Incapacitated refers to being on the ground unable to fight, but still has a pulse and is breathing. If you are in this state because of being shot, it's only a matter of time before bleeding out.

[frail quartz]

Yeah, but it's not implied that their blood loss is bad enough to where they wouldn't be able to be stabilized once EMS gets to them

[stable kernel]

Sure, you can be incap'd but still councious, but the game doesn't really simulate that.

[frail quartz]

The trailers that would realistically be following behind you in this type of situation would probably be able to quickly tend to them as well

It's the same reason why suspects don't run away even though only their hands are tied

[sharp fox]

usually i just kill everyone even if it costs me an objective

crackheads, war vets, active shooters, no matter who they are they get the same treatment from my bullets

[river tide]

that and in real life, there would be a sniper aiming at the entrance and exists

[gleaming fable]

is it just me or does the combat music doesnt play as much in game?

[timid wraith]

yeah like it only plays half the time

[gleaming fable]

its hella quiet on my gunfights.

[lament wigeon]

First tried an Ironman run lets go

funnily enough that was my first time beating Hide and Seek too

[stone bay]

The civs in this game are unreasonably entitled and quite frankly deserve to get shot.

“Point that thing somewhere else”

“I don’t listen to cops”

Etc, etc, etc.

[lament wigeon]

but my internet was down for a day so i decided to try ironman

[ionic gale]

Ngl if I had modding experience

I would definitely make a lot of Glock mods for you guys to download on Nexus

Glock 17, 21, 22, 18, 45 and others

Although I don’t know how to make mods so I can’t

[stone bay]

Are there any mods that unfuck the SWAT AI?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I’m sure there is

[prime mural]

Well they'd just die if their blood loss was bad enogh

[ionic gale]

At the gas station level, I was aiming a pistol at a suspect he would not comply

He had a gun, but he did not aim at me or shoot me. I just kept yelling at him and he kept ducking for cover.

I put some warning shots in him

My third bullet caused him to start bleeding and he just succumbed to blud loss

[sudden marsh]

sorta, but its a band aid so its not gonna help alot

[ionic gale]

It was really weird

[silk junco]

bub moment

[ionic gale]

Yeah

I don’t know if it’s my mods or if I just got a haunted copy of ready or not but my game is fukin weird

Most of the problems and glitches that I have with the game or sort of comical & just weird

Although that’s my experience with the game, so obviously people will have different opinions about it

Sure there are like some frustrating moments that the game has that makes me want to punch a hole through my monitor, but it’s not all the time

[stone bay]

Can you give examples?

[sudden marsh]

its not hard to believe considering the state of the game

[ionic gale]

Civilians not complying, Evidence literally just flying out of the map sometimes, the AI having the aim of a Delta force sniper and other stuff

[limpid swallow]

is there a way to turn ai teammates off in single player

all they do is get in the way

[sudden marsh]

start a private multiplayer lobby is the best mod free way

[limpid swallow]

aight

[river tide]

you can make them move to the start and they won’t follow you

[limpid swallow]

ooh

[frail quartz]

It's probably easier to just tell them to hold

[river tide]

its legit the same thing

they do the exact same thing, same number of stuff you haev to press

[thorny escarp]

are there any better ways to do a simultaneous breach than to queue one up and then quickly do one for the other team

[shy tulip]

You can switch to gold and execute that way, they'll go at the same time

[thorny escarp]

oh can you have multiple queues at the same time?

[shy tulip]

If you queue red then blue team, if you switch to gold, you can execute both at once

Well other way around too

[thorny escarp]

alrighty ill try that out

[safe cliff]

do yall actually play the game or do you just shoot shit and skip collecting evidence and allat

i dont think ive really played ron like a police sim since january when i needed cosmetics

[queen spire]

depends on the night brotha

[safe cliff]

word

[shy tulip]

Both

May as well bag things up and get the full score I played for

[sharp fox]

i usually just try and bring order to chaos first then go back and collect evidence

or just order my ai to search and secure

[tawny scroll]

Hey have you guys had any bugs with launchers

😭 just duo’d with a random at 23 MB and my launcher went semi auto inf ammo

switched from gas to stinger and bug was still on for a min after respawning back to hq but went back to normal

[thorny escarp]

god damn greased palms is impossible to S lol

I get cross map 1 tapped from an ak dude when I swing

[lament wigeon]

That’s the post office right?

[lost inlet]

ye

[thorny escarp]

cant figure out a way to push without getting slammed by long range

neither the shotty or the peppergun have that much range

[lament wigeon]

Yeah it’s garbage

It’s the map in second most afraid of when I try Ironman runs

Okay garbage is harsh

[noble pasture]

how do we manage officer stress?

[lament wigeon]

It’s really cool and well designed, but my god the Uber long sight lines combined with AI infinite vision can be hell

[lament wigeon]

Send them to therapy or give them a number of missions off

Or be a Chad and wait until there’s an intervention

I stopped taking them off missions once I realized it doesn’t really matter what their stress is. They seemed to perform just as well in Crisis as they do Content

So I send them to therapy when they reach stressed (so they don’t quit from the force and I lose the officer traits) and otherwise ignore it

[thorny escarp]

how do I get my team to 'search and secure' instead of just search

I brought order to the chaos

[stone bay]

You also have to secure (or shoot) all the civs.

[thorny escarp]

damn

thats what I want them to do lol

[lament wigeon]

Shooting just one works for me

[thorny escarp]

going for S

nvm found the last civ we good

will they search and secure the whole map even on the postal office?

[lament wigeon]

Anything they’ve seen they’ll secure

[thorny escarp]

oh welp prolly doenst help I solo'd the map

[lament wigeon]

They won’t go into unexplored rooms though

You may have some issues then

[thorny escarp]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

that has to be the hardest map for S lol

[lament wigeon]

Hokan is in my opinion but PO is definitely a close second

[noble pasture]

Those AI in commander mode barelly do anything

And then stress themselves for killing 2 crackheads

I dont know how ironman is even feasable in vanilla ron

[lament wigeon]

I did it just today on my first attempt

I do have some mods, but it’s exclusively map mods

[noble pasture]

No officer deaths too?

[lament wigeon]

I had 1, but I have the paramedic trait on one of my officers so zero deaths

They died to some dude walking through a wall on relapse and doming him

[noble pasture]

Should I give bots rifle caliber but JHP?

[lament wigeon]

Depends on the map

[noble pasture]

I cant be assed to change loadout for every map

[lament wigeon]

Any map with the terrorist cells, use AP, the other maps use JHP

I just stick with AP for that reason. It’s only slightly less effective on flesh

[noble pasture]

Isnt that just night club and hospital?

[lament wigeon]

For the Arabic speaking one yes. But you also have Cheryessa farm (pretty sure they are one too but I can’t be assed to remember every lore bit)

[noble pasture]

Didnt the carriers of the vine get nuked to make the cultist map?

[lament wigeon]

It got changed up

But it still has the name

And that’s right yeah they’re cultists now

Honestly I’m so glad for the change in the map. I never managed to clear Cheryessa before the rework

[noble pasture]

I got a new idea

Alpha gets bean bag
Bravo gets AK with JHP
Charlie gets bean bag
Delta gets AK with JHP
I use bean bag
Sounds like a good A+ loadout? @lament wigeon

LL officers get lethal cover

[lament wigeon]

Sounds reasonable, but if I’m not going for S rank I bring zero no lethal other than CS gas

[noble pasture]

I am looking to do A/A+

Also killing as few suspects as possible, thats the reason for 3 bean bags and 2 rifles

[lament wigeon]

I get some decent A+ ranks with just the gas grenades, but if you’re not confident with your grenade placement it’s a solid loadout

[noble pasture]

Could get CS nades and replace Alpha's bean bag with a VKS (long pepper ball)

@lament wigeon