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[frail quartz]

Suspects are still able to mode while stunned by CS gas

[opaque birch]

my gun shorter my gun better

[stone bay]

wrong

[opaque birch]

ur wrong

[stone bay]

no

[opaque birch]

my gun shorter

[stone bay]

shorter = less accurate & less bullet velocity

[opaque birch]

that isnt reflected in game + we are in a delicate close quarters situation so if you are going to have a 762 rifle you may as well have a short one

[crude prism]

that's why length is preferred better ballistics 🍆

[stone bay]

damn straight

[crude prism]

lmao

[stone bay]

yeah its pretty weird in-game but it should be super snappy with a very high recoil

[opaque birch]

it isnt

it actually doesnt have that much more recoil than a 300 blk

which is some bullshit

sa58 the most broken gun in the game

[stone bay]

yeah, it should though. 7.62x51 kicks like a horse

especially out of a 12-ish inch barrel

[opaque birch]

my gun better

[brittle spoke]

I finally beat mind jot on iron mode and so far no officers lost and entire team is in content mode best I've done so far

[crude prism]

fuck mindjot we hate mindjot, you're ballin G

[brittle spoke]

Oh dude it was pissing me off .. and I refuse to play normal after trying iron so this as far as I've made it lol

And the run went smooth everything went to plan .. hell my team went in anxious and left content

Still long way to go but I now know I can beat it

Next map idk isn't an original either but just keep doing what I doing

How is all y'all's gaming going

[opaque birch]

i got squad baited again in squad

[gaunt turtle]

mindjot outfit is fire tho imo

[stone bay]

how the hell do i enable dlss!!

[stone bay]

i killed 25 mindjot security guards and my entire team went on a crisis

[leaden holly]

I hate valley of the dolls, I have attempted 7 times now for S run, it's always some BS

[stone bay]

wait do you lose in iron mode if officers resign from stress

or is it just killed in action

[stable kernel]

They are removed from your officer pool, and you will no longer get the achievement or watch, but you do not lose the mode. Only the player dying deletes the save

[brittle spoke]

Yea only if u die

On post office now .. never made it this far lol just stick to my plan .. like ides of March shit went south fast I almost died but held it together .. always plan B

Plan B is fuck plan A don't die lol

[alpine laurel]

As long as you aren't dead, you always have a chance.

[brittle spoke]

Yes sir

I know I should have played normal mode but since I started trying iron man I just like the added effect u can die

Legit tho my ai team doing solid not a one has gone past anxious this play

And the main 4 I'm digging the perks how they stack .. but now I'm nervous I'm gonna lose all this lol

But stick with it yo

I just remember a. Lil bit on post office as it's big open areas

[stable kernel]

In fact they added the in mission exfil so you can save the lives of whoever is still alive if things get out of hand

Their mental state will take a hit though

[oak copper]

when pvp?

[brittle spoke]

U can pvp ur friends in the training area lol we done it was funny

[cold island]

Should I arm my entire team with VKS and beanbag shotguns? For enemies with gas masks I could just whip out my pistol and drop em. So I have both non lethal and lethal weapons

[jolly verge]

The only suspect that immune to gas/pepper smoke is accomplice on Lethal Obsession

[novel zodiac]

I mean the moment they raise their weapon in accordance to the ROE you're free to shoot to kill, it's risky though

[frail quartz]

Nah, pepper smoke can still stun them, it's just CS gas that they're immune to.

[jolly verge]

gas/pepper smoke works the same way

[ionic gale]

I’m still stunned by that fact

I was fuckin lied to 😔

[jolly verge]

there are two types of accomplice on lethal obsession, one is immune to gas/pepper smoke and other not

[frail quartz]

Soooo, is that gas mask guy still Gerald's boyfriend even though there's two of him now?

I don't really know how that'd work

[ionic gale]

Idk either

[umbral oar]

polyamory

[jolly verge]

They have different model and weapon. Accomplice with uzi is immune and the guy with makarov is not

Also accomplice with uzi and Gerard is the only suspects in game that regain morale by just yelling, making hand signs at officers and they immune to stuns from lethal ammo as well

[leaden holly]

I was thinking, how would it even work? How would you present a scenario where SWAT officers are shooting each other? Unless they Ubisoft it

[umbral oar]

it wont be swat vs swat

[leaden holly]

Oof, imagine the controversy

[lost inlet]

Its swat vs experimental super soldier

[stone bay]

Isn’t that just R6

[drowsy flax]

bwomp

[willow kraken]

PVP is SWAT vs the MLO, at least in the alpha build

[leaden holly]

I'm not sure PvP will work in this game, TTK is too fast, I was kind of imagining like timed competition or something

[grim hound]

Will we get a new map? If not, do we have mod that can be played multiplayer that is 1.0 compatible?

[prime wing]

the way to check if a map is compatible with the latest version of the game is the release date and the mods description.

[cold island]

should i go full lethal in Lethal Obsession mission??

[noble pasture]

Isnt it a mission requirement to get both alive?

[lost inlet]

Just incap all of them

[cold island]

I joined in the map and got shot the moment I walked to the building from god knows where LOL

[tribal wharf]

istg ive been looking for this last civ for 10 years

[wicked steeple]

anyone know where janey is in valley of the dolls

i have been searching her for hours

no luck

[copper cypress]

There wouldn't be a wailing sound when the suspect was killed rather than incapacitated, right?

[tribal wharf]

usually there is either way

i put a video in #🐜archived-bug-reports-channel

[limpid berry]

I S ranked valley of the dolls

took me 30 goddamn minutes

[thorn summit]

whats the best gun, just in general if im only ever going to use suppressor, and JHP

[jolly verge]

sa-58, but jhp won't be able pen level 4 armor on suspects

with suppressor you can use any other rifle on .300 or slr47

[thorn summit]

who has lvl 4 armour?

[jolly verge]

there are few maps where suspects use it. All suspects on Elephant, few on sins of the father and only one on neon club

[thorn summit]

headshot can fix that

if i do run ap, whats the best? like lowest recoil and decent mag size

[jolly verge]

g36 have very low recoil

[thorn summit]

is ap against low lvl armour fine?

[jolly verge]

yes

the only thing is that almost all ap ammo have lower limbs multiplier compare to jhp, 0.3x vs 0.7x

[thorn summit]

i never miss

[stone bay]

Time to stop terroists shooting a hospital up with a pepper ball gun

With a squad who does not listen to my moves

[lost inlet]

arn 180

[stone bay]

Gotta stop the dyin

According to this game the life of a terrorist= a civvy

[low ibex]

Any tips to get S in any map? My friend and i just finished all the maps and are trying to get S in all of them but even the gas station was hard to get S.

[stone bay]

Grenade launchers are free arrests

Equip beanbag shotgun, shoot first ask for compliance later

Tasers have good value with 1 equipment slot being 6 arrests

[limpid berry]

My main strategy is to get bean bag shotguns or pepperball guns and combining them with CS gas (gas mask needed)

[stone bay]

Grenades are not that useful

[limpid berry]

the mission becomes a chore for me

[stone bay]

Grab an m320 stinger and shoot at their feet, that's a free arrest

[novel horizon]

Study CQB tactics for entering and clearing rooms

[stone bay]

Don't study anything

Not necessary or applicable given that suspects sjoot through walls and shit

[novel horizon]

Reducing chances to get domed by being careless is not a bad tactic

It worked for me.

[limpid berry]

I recommend bean bags because one shot could literally get god himself on his knees and the pepperballs dont give you a red screen and slow you down

[stone bay]

For sure but you don't need to google navy seal room clearing strats, just take your time and be careful

Beanbag is fantastic with the downside being inaccuracy

Your grenade launcher and taser will cover for this weakness

[limpid berry]

yeah and the ammo capacity

is like 8 rounds i think

[stone bay]

That's very good, not a downside

8 chances to stun is very generous

[limpid berry]

8 chances to miss fr fr

[stone bay]

Ong

[raven estuary]

Can I not change the equipment of my A.I. team? The whole less than lethal/S grading is kind of redundant if so

[stone bay]

You can

[raven estuary]

You can? Feels like I looked everywhere

[stone bay]

Give them all pepperballs because that guarantees no accidents

Click on alpha bravo blah blah on top

Above everything in the load out, that's how you select the operators

I have my guys bring 4 nades each, and pepperball rifles with a few mags

Obviously maximum armor because they're bots

[earnest phoenix]

also remove their ammo for pistols

[stone bay]

Ye

I still bring 1 pistol mag so i can shatter glass windows to shoot my fuckn B E A N S thru

Consider a five seven

[raven estuary]

Ah, I was slightly confused until I finally noticed the „Self” option in loadout locker but it was always empty because I would typically not have any hired squad members due to me dying a lot trying to get S on each mission

[stone bay]

Yeah same.

Equip 4 random dudes and give them a non lethal load out, the game seems to automagically apply the loadout to new guys

[raven estuary]

Ah, sweet

Cheers!

The only piece that's missing now is knowing my mission grades without having to fail/complete said missions

[stone bay]

Check if you have the corresponding tattoo for that mission

Since those only sre unlocked by s tier

[raven estuary]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of too

As the only easier option

[stone bay]

Is to perish

I'm still really unsure on how to best utilize bots

I can clear 90% of things on my own but the rest is going to get the bots killed just the same as me

Really far ranges, lots of problem areas with many sightlines etc

[fresh pebble]

Can you still activate Supporter Edition Steam keys or did they lock that feature entirely?

[stone stump]

yes

would be pretty weird if steam did that

[coarse gulch]

how much will ready or not cost after a sale

[shy tulip]

You'll save like, $10 at most based on past sales

[coarse gulch]

bruh

why so low

[shy tulip]

Because it already costs less than triple A games and released less than 5 goin on 6 months ago

Shoulda bought it during early access with a sale if you wanted to save a lotta money

[coarse gulch]

it was too expensive

but now

no way im buyin' that even with a discount

[shy tulip]

Best of luck with that

[glossy sorrel]

Quick question: Every time when I launch RON, the game is super unstable, it's been going on for a while now, is anyone else having that problem? The fact that it is so unstable makes me not want to play the game, my PC specs are fine, it's the game itself that is super unstable

[karmic hearth]

How do presets work? Whenever i choose one it doesnt change the equiptment of my AI teammates to that of how it was when i saved the preset

[neon forge]

does anyone here use visceral blood by chance?

[shy tulip]

Read the pins in #💻tech-support, remove mods, switch DX version, make sure your PC is up to date and meets the min requirements

[glossy sorrel]

I will switch DX, I've done all the other stuff already

[daring flame]

anyone notice stuff that doesnt make sense like your officer cocking his gun in the station when you spawn in and then cocking it again when he loads into a mission

he already did it so why have a repetitive animation

[stone bay]

DUDE what is this stupid fing game

i arrest like 15 people and on the 16th of 18 in this stupid god damn mission i get an inexplicable -50 because i used force

for fucks sake

i was so close to S

[daring flame]

download the no mercy mod

[stone bay]

unfucking believable

I ARRESTED EVERYONE

i'm so tired

boo hoo the member of the cartel who tried to murder me has a bruise now

cry about it

also the fact that you lose more points if you accidentally hit someone with non letha force when they're surrendered VS killing a suspect

nice moral compass you got going on

im uninstalling this shit

[shy tulip]

The stages of grief

[muted star]

They should just remove the S rank

[shy tulip]

Skillt issue

[stone bay]

yeah by the devs

[umbral oar]

past tense is crazy 💀

[stone stump]

you really have to try to trigger the penalty, because RoE is nonexistent, even if you execute someone. blaming the game for your skill issues though... not cool

[stone bay]

i accidentally tased a guy who had surrendered

Saying you don't get points off if you execute someone is unhinged and totally wrong, and it just shows you've no idea what you are typing out

[thorny apex]

huh, i started the game today and its acting like I am a new player and I have to play through the missions from the start again.

Is there no autosave??

[stone stump]

sounds like you have no idea how loose RoE in RoN is

im not saying it's good, im just stating the facts

it's awful

[stone bay]

there are plenty of mods for stricter roe

[molten wren]

Tis a lot better than SWAT 4 RoE imo.

[thorny apex]

lol npc is "anxious" after mission, well npc shouldnt clip into the room we're breaching and almost get shot by me then

[stone bay]

👉👈 sir im.. a little anxious after that one

[stone stump]

are you saying CIA kill squad like RoE (that's what ron basically has) is better?

[thorny apex]

im confused middle mouse isn't making the guy go "get down!" today

[gleaming fable]

bonk him with your gun as a treat, that should make him comply.

[stone stump]

what? F is for yelling

[opaque birch]

thats cuz its always. it doesnt do that

[molten wren]

Somewhat a major improvement, although RoN's RoE is way too loose to be believable in alot of cases given gameplay, I find it better.

[opaque birch]

it is not way too loose... cant even one tap civillians

not realistic

[molten wren]

Lmao but that aside idk for cases like the SWAT 4 Research Center & Medical Center I found those two missions way too hard due to strict RoE.

[thorny apex]

wtf i got killed because my gun wouldnt fire

[opaque birch]

was your gun empty

[thorny apex]

even ducked behind cover and reloaded it and again it wouldn't fire on the guy firing at me

[opaque birch]

thats crazy was your barrel up against the cover

[thorny apex]

was an open doorway

[opaque birch]

thats crazy (i actually have nothing else to say)

[molten wren]

I've never personally tried using the breaching shotgun that much but uhh hypothetically if you shoot at the area where a trap might be while breaching, would it not set it off?

[thorny apex]

is this npc mood stuff meant to matter? doesnt seem like theres anything you can do about it.

[opaque birch]

yes send them to therapy or they resign

[opaque birch]

Yes please peek your doors

[thorny apex]

theres no way to send them to therapy

or at least there hasnt been a tutorial on it yet

[opaque birch]

right click on them

do not expect the game to hold your hand through the process vro

[thorny apex]

I cant even find them

[opaque birch]

tab

press tab

[molten wren]

Lmao, just as I thought, aye fear not, the 50 replays of lethal obsession has scarred me of door traps.

[thorny apex]

no idea what do do

i pressed tab and it brings up their pictures but there isnt a "send to therapy" button

[zenith garnet]

whats up the supporter edition was it romoved for the 1.0 if so can i no longer get the hrt skin?

[shy tulip]

Correct

[shy tulip]

Hold tab and you can select officers to send to therapy, they will be unavailable for x missions while away.

This is done in HQ

[daring flame]

easy scam

[zenith garnet]

?

[daring flame]

you got easily scammed

thoughts and opinions?

[opaque birch]

click on them vro

[opaque birch]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HE PAID 120 FOR READY OR NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thorny apex]

how do you change team? i just want to have them all on one team less confusiion

[opaque birch]

actually kekking right now

[daring flame]

you are quite the jester

[opaque birch]

you will have red and blue team and you will like it

[zenith garnet]

so i cant get the hrt skin?

[thorny apex]

i dont like it, it's stupid

[daring flame]

nope.

[raven schooner]

Lets start a petition for void to sell the HRT skin as a seperate DLC

[opaque birch]

then just use gold team

[acoustic ridge]

just use gold team to command them, they will act as just 1 team

[molten wren]

What about other colors

[opaque birch]

start a petition for void to fire their entire staff and sell the game to a chinese mobile game developer

[thorny apex]

but then i will touch the mousewheel and it changes team

[acoustic ridge]

then dont touch the mousewheel

[opaque birch]

just dont touch the wheel

[daring flame]

where is the mouse wheel

[thorny apex]

you cant touch the mouse without touching the wheel

unless you had an industrial accident and dont have a middle finger

[molten wren]

Selling emotes only accessible in HQ, for loot boxz only 499.99

[daring flame]

you use 3 fingers on your mouse bro?

[opaque birch]

put your middle finger on right click

what sort of grip does vro have

[daring flame]

who holds their mouse like that 😭

no way you use your ring finger to right click

[thorny apex]

doesnt everyone?

[stone bay]

are you joking

[opaque birch]

no one does 😭

[acoustic ridge]

i be using my thumb to turn my flashlight on and off and toggling between canted and regular ads

[thorny apex]

i know how to use a mouse i have used one since forever ago

[acoustic ridge]

free lean too

[thorny apex]

back when they had rubber balls in em

[daring flame]

yeah you use your pointer and middle finger for the mouse

[stone bay]

based, i have 2 thumb buttons, one is for high-ready the other is canted

[opaque birch]

i dont got thumb buttons on my mouse

i use a regular ass office mouse to play

[acoustic ridge]

i have 3 thumb buttons, one directly infront (bound to o) and the 2 forward and back keys (frotn bound flashlight back bound toggle freelean)

[daring flame]

[stone bay]

im too used to using alt to freelean

im kinda curious what freelean looks like in 3rd person since u can basically lay on the floor

[acoustic ridge]

i think it puts you on one knee

[stone bay]

oh thats cool

didnt know that was an angle people use

[molten wren]

I use it to snipe on buy cheap buy twice

[thorny apex]

How do i save the game?

[stone bay]

i meant like irl operators

[molten wren]

Oh lmao

[daring flame]

you dont

[stone bay]

i just thought it was a super steep lean angle lmao

[thorny apex]

so you gotta finish the whole singleplayer in one go or start it again?

[daring flame]

there are missions to play through, that's how the game is "saved"

there's no saving/loading

[acoustic ridge]

70 degree lean unsupported while carrying armor a shield and 15 mags of 556

[opaque birch]

all my buttons on my keyboard and mouse are B-B-B-BOUND 2 FALLIN IN LOVEEEEE

[stone bay]

lmao right

[thorny apex]

but when i started game again today it started me back at the first mission

[daring flame]

did you finish that mission last time

[thorny apex]

yeah i was on the third

[stone bay]

it might be if you uninstalled and reinstalled

[daring flame]

nah even if he reinstalled it would save

do you have steam cloud?

[thorny apex]

I guesss i do i have steam

the camera gun thingy is useless

only works on the tutorial and ever again

[daring flame]

is your game broken

[thorny apex]

feels like it sometimes

but theres never again a door with a vent in it to peek through

[shy tulip]

You can peek them under any door that isn't metal, it's not for vents

[thorny apex]

it dont work though, just shows zoomed in view of the door from the same side

[molten wren]

Your game is an absolute mystery and I highly wonder if verifying game integrity might fix some of it at this point

[crude prism]

Do you have the context indicators turned off or something? When you look at the bottom of the door it shows a mirrorgun icon you're supposed to aim for across the bottom

[thorny apex]

ohhh

you have to look at the bottom of the door and then equip it

I was just equpping it

[shy tulip]

You can use it without the context hint, the context hint just pulls it out for you

[thorny apex]

nah it wouldnt work for me that way

[shy tulip]

You're either doing something wrong or there is something very wrong with your specific game

[crude prism]

bro got the 1 in a million "they'll never believe you" edition

[daring flame]

dudes mirror gun is just a stick with a mirror taped on it

[thorny apex]

The ai is just broken, i tell them to kick breach and then just stare at the door because its locked

I have to manually pick it every time

In fact now they're doing it on doors that are just closed

I just had to open the door, order the guy inside onto the ground, cuff him and then walk out, and only THEN do they throw in the flashbang

[umbral oar]

that sounds about right

[daring flame]

yeah that sounds about right

[thorny apex]

ffs, then after almost finishing the mission i get one shot killed by some pistol guy

[umbral oar]

imagine the amount of types we get lucky headshots on the suspect and the suspect is like “wow this swat aim is bs”

[opaque birch]

they prolly in heaven complaining to god

[delicate snow]

Gunner Heat PC:
drops 2 updates and a hotfix in March

Ready Or Not:
Drops a steamy turd once a year and queefs a few times a year patches that fix 1 or 2 minor bugs. Now adding the ability for one of your operators to be able to develop testicular cancer affecting the mental health of your other replacable team members. 🤯

[umbral oar]

cmon man… its more like two steamy turds

[opaque birch]

the writers barely disguised fetish

[thorny apex]

wow from mission 4 there starts being mission breifing dialogue

[pearl shuttle]

What is wrong with your game lmao

[misty island]

There were some before, you just did not played them.

[pearl shuttle]

Tbf they’re easy to miss

[thorny apex]

well i didnt see any way to play them

just happened to go off on the 4th mission

[pearl shuttle]

Your game is borked

[misty island]

Huge play button in the tablet under the "Briefing" tab.

[thorny apex]

Is there any way to turn off this "manage your teams emotions" nonesense? I came here for pew pew not theme park staff management simulator

asks me to "give them a break" but there isnt such a button, and no option to change team members

i have therapized members ready to go but cant switch to them

[crude prism]

what?

[thorny apex]

game is making me use the anxious and stressed NPCs when theres ones that are "content" but theres no way to change npcs

you can send them to therapy or fire them

[crude prism]

I'm dying trying to remember how the stupid menu works, but if you go to the screen that shows just the 4 man team I believe you can click on them to swap (?)

[thorny apex]

I dont knwo what screen you are talking about

never mind i will just keep therapizing them over and over

radio guy just said "remember your R O E" what is he on about?

[austere silo]

ROE = Rules Of Engagement. It mostly means that you should not use force or lethal force without a good reason. If you then you lose points.

[raven estuary]

Attempting S clear on Valley of the Dolls. Here we go.

[misty island]

Yes, just play practice mode.

And if they are sad, then I can advice to do the Gas Station with less-lethal weapons, although I do have my doubts that you will succeed...

[thorny apex]

just gonna therapize them, seems rather poinless of a mechanic to include. It's gonna be a stressfull job no matter what.

[misty island]

It ties to the lore of the game.
And again, you can play practice mode.

[shy tulip]

Somehow I suspect that killing people is more stressful than the average cops day of giving tickets out

(even if it's in self defense)

It pretty much exists to encourage you to take people alive ontop of score, it works in that way, you have plenty of options to take alive

[earnest phoenix]

if only suspects cared about their own or anyone else's lifes too

[crude prism]

Did you say shoot their own friends in the back of the head because the game doesn't have a "don't fucking friendly fire" mechanic

[turbid grove]

need help!

im playing on Port Hoken

are there some tips?

[thorny apex]

bruh, I am on the mindjot mission, and all the civilians are rescued but it says "bring order to chaos" isnt done.... everyone is dead or cuffed

really needs to be an option to just end the level even if everyone isnt accounted for because this is bugged

[crude prism]

check the roof and then the upper second roof, also people can be outside on both sides

[thorny apex]

is there any order i can give which will zoom the npc squad to the enemy? I've noticed if I die they go straight there

[sleek tiger]

Can someone help me with the post office mission?

[merry kindle]

I usually miss a guy on the second roof

[thorny apex]

Yeah the levels just wont end must be a bug

theres absolutely no one here

[merry kindle]

I cleared twisted nerve once and had a civilian hidden somewhere I couldn't find for shit

[sleek tiger]

Greasewd Plams are my leats favorite mission rn. It's so big

and AI can just hide where the packages goes on the reailway and shoot you from some corner WHERE YOU CANT SEE THEM

[gloomy isle]

They might be hiding under the beds or in the cupboards

[merry kindle]

Very possible but super rare with base game ai atm

[ebon lark]

I've never had an unaccounted for suspect and I play with AI mods, so that says something

[gloomy isle]

Still very possible, particularly in your case

[thorny apex]

needs to be some audio or visual clue to help you out if you are stuck for more than 2 minutes

[merry kindle]

I've never lost a suspect, only the civs

[ebon lark]

Some of them can roam, I always get one suspect on Rust Belt that walks up behind me when I reach the end where the barge is

[sleek tiger]

can someone help me with this mission

[gloomy isle]

What do you need help with

[sleek tiger]

The Greased Palms mission

[gloomy isle]

Right, what aspects? Lethal or non-lethal

[sleek tiger]

I like to go in guns blazing. Also you cant go in non-lethal in that mission

[gloomy isle]

You can, but it’s hard

[sleek tiger]

they can snipe you from half the map

[sleek tiger]

exactly why lethal

[gloomy isle]

Ok, basic loadout, give all your AI SA58s. You can choose the gun you prefer for yourself.

[sleek tiger]

Okay

[gloomy isle]

Full ceramic tends to be the consensus for armor. It’ll let you and your guys tank rounds while having mobility

Now, for the map itself, What I tend to do is go to the first two buildings on the outside

[thorny apex]

Is it worth customizing the weapons? I am just using the start gear

[merry kindle]

Yes

[gloomy isle]

There’s this big warehouse you’ll need to clear. I’d being at least 4 wedges

[merry kindle]

Some attachments have stat boosts

[gloomy isle]

Clear the outside buildings, then wedge the doors into the warehouse to prevent them from running outside

Next, there’s a big space on the outside with trucks. I usually “move and clear” the AI through it while moving along myself and sniping suspects

Generally your SWAT AI is more effective at shooting suspects during “move and clear” than just following

After that, you have two equally bad ways to try and take the warehouse

You can try and push in from the outside with the trucks or take the doors from the smaller buildings outside

Wide open spaces with a lot of openings, T sections, small windows to get shot from

Here’s what I did though, I go in from one of the buildings, cut left to take the upstairs area, and then start clearing from the bottom down

You’ll start to intuit what’s a good way to do the warehouse.

If you’re just concerned about completion and nothing else, it shouldn’t be too hard

Suspects will rarely if ever kill you from a long distance, they’re most dangerous up close

SA58 is ideal for the SWAT because its high damage works great for the SWAT’s accurate but low fire rate.

Good luck

[raven schooner]

Anybody know how the replay splines work? or if they work at all?

[delicate badger]

I am going nuts, the Elephant mission ... and the annoying bombs... how many bombs are there really? I have read that there are 2, but also have read that is 3. This is extremly stressed mission, if you're not quick enough, the bombs exploding.

[gloomy isle]

2

[delicate badger]

But not at same place everytime?

[gloomy isle]

There’s a green door on the upper floor. Past that there can be 2 bombs in the classrooms. They may be in the big lecture hall, the computer lab, or in the hallways

It’s randomized

[ebon lark]

Only 2 bombs unless some mod changes that, they are both randomized over set places

And there are 4 suspects each time

Might be 3, because I use AI mods that raise the count a bit

[gloomy isle]

4’s right

[delicate badger]

thought it was 5... hmm...

[ebon lark]

Suspects have 2 minutes on vanilla until they start shooting civilians, bombs are on 11 minutes timer

[gloomy isle]

You have to play differently than usual. Stopping active shooters is more about speed

They’re still dangerous, but there are only 4 of them

It’s a mission you have to be aggressive, particularly for S rank, so play it like COD if you really want to

[delicate badger]

Hmm.... I disabled 2 bombs, but... the task in brief was not checked after that. I was either shot, or a bomb blowing up....

[ebon lark]

Unless you have mods, it's only 2 bombs

[delicate badger]

Okay, then I have to try again 🙂

[median shadow]

walk in a clock wise patttern through the entire first floor, then the entire second floor, you'll find them

[misty island]

2 boms, 4 suspects with the best armor(lvl 4) and good weapons.
Bobms are on a 10 minute timer, suspect are on 2 minute timer before they start to shoot civilians. TOC should warn you about bomb timer.

[ebon lark]

Also: Even though it's best for you to be fast, do secure civvies you see quickly and then continue quickly because you'll be spending 5 minutes running around, trying to find civvies that hide in some little cubby after the mission is complete

[median shadow]

there is 11 minutes, more than enough time to do a walk around of the whole school, finding the bombs as you go, there are only 4 bad guys

[crimson silo]

Sometimes it’s more than 4

[thorny apex]

Im on the postal level and once again, all areas are clear

cant end level tho as cant find Maria Lopez

[crude prism]

she's gonna be surrendered in the first room behind the counter or something lul

[thorny apex]

nope shes not there

fuck it, shot a civ

oh wow, that actually passes you on the mission

oh no it doesnt

[acoustic ridge]

best way to quickly secure civs is to tell them to get to the exit, but they will open every door on the way there, which can open up some angles for suspects to shoot you
or just tell ai to arrest if you play with ai

[thorny apex]

is there a mod to reveal the last ai?

[misty island]

Tie down a civ in the ground.

[misty island]

Maybe. Order SWAT AI to search and secure. (MMB>6)

Did you check the building right from the spawn?

[thorny apex]

i checked both buildings

and all the outside area at least twice

did they not playtest this? this is a super gamebreaking bug

[mental fable]

Void should really do like a few more hotfixes bc the AIs haven't been fixed or improved yet

[thorny apex]

like why isnt there an option to end the mission, even if all objectives havent been completed?

[crude prism]

if you do "search and secure" what do the AI command lists say on the bottom right? it should tell you what they're trying to do (preparing to restrain, collecting evidence, etc)

[crude prism]

walk back to the bearcat and press F on it

[thorny apex]

bearcat?

[crude prism]

spawn truck

[umbral oar]

how the heck do you find problems with every aspect of the game

[thorny apex]

because they're there to be found

[mental fable]

Will Void add the old Alpha things back to RoN for 1.1 ?

[thorny apex]

and not even obscure... surely if no one has been detained after 5 minutes then if only one objective is remaining the option should pop up or something else happen to lead you to the right place.

Like maybe at that point have an option to "sweep and clear" order and then the team splits up to run around and someone would find the last person

[crude prism]

the last civilian and suspect will path to you automatically, assuming they're not

1. locked in a room
2. already surrendered (not cuffed)

[thorny apex]

ahhh yes, found lopez on 2nd attempt, so she clearly didnt spawn in first time

[mental fable]

MMMM, in your pov how will you deal with whining users that said like "RoN is a scam" or shit like that in the old trailers

[crude prism]

you can go look up the old reddit posts where Void (and their investors, etc) are extremely hopeful and ambitious, as far as calling it a AAA game in development

not everything works out, the game obviously isn't a rugpull or some kind of misleading bait and switch, just seems like not everything they wanted was feasible

there's obviously some kind of meddling behind the scenes, as 1.0 was blatantly rushed, undeniably so

[thorny apex]

damn, I got an F

[mental fable]

Alright thanks

[crude prism]

I would say that RoN is a good game that was extremely hyped and had expectations through the roof, that's about it.

They're still an indie studio with like 50 remote devs lol

[heavy storm]

does anyone have tips on S ranking the postal office? team perks, loadouts, strats, etc

[mental fable]

I mean tbh, Void should really let the SE users play test the 1.0 update first than rather releasing quickly, like we understand the devs was rushing to release it but they should really play test their game before releasing it

[delicate badger]

Surely I will get different answers, but what mods are the best?

[crude prism]

Armorer, nutritionist, pacifier x2, everyone gets gas/pepperball guns and heavy-full ceramic.

Clear right building first, peek into warehouse door for picks, then wedge it off and go around to the front.

Clear the front rooms and work to the long hall, peek each warehouse door for surrender picks, then wedge and exit into the loading bay to the left.

Clear outside, peek into loading bay doors for picks, enter on far rear bay, clear packing area, clear under office, clear office.

Using the "move here" command for surrendered suspects is very important, gotta be patient, pull people close for cuffs instead of going to them

[mental fable]

For lethal loadout is armorer, nutritionist, veteran x2 ?

[heavy storm]

you can order suspects?

[crude prism]

if you aim at them with the command dot, you can order your team to do things with them, or give them orders

Like telling your team to deploy taser on them, or to tell the suspect to turn around or move to a location

[pearl shuttle]

Wait really

[crude prism]

yeh

[pearl shuttle]

Explains some things lmao

[crude prism]

not on EVERY map, like they don't on Lethal Obsession, but most maps that aren't small, they will, even Gas

[pearl shuttle]

Honestly I try to avoid AI mods as much as possible

I think the vanilla AI isn't that bad

Definitely a gamey feature... could've been alleviated if they made the maps smaller but oh well

I still think old Port is way better than new Port

[thorny apex]

if you go back to the van and leave does it "successfully" end the mission?

[crude prism]

you fail if you didn't complete the objectives, it's just for bailing out if things are going badly and u dont want to die/lose squadmates

[thorny apex]

well i've done everything that I can, and yet again, cant end the mission because an NPC didnt spawn in

FFS

looking round for the last guy and I round a corner and get one shot in the face

[heavy storm]

a problem i have is my guys dying, which is why i assume armorer and nutritionist is there

[crude prism]

armorer is good for you and them, nutritionist is good for them, but has very diminishing returns so just having 1 is good

[thorny apex]

is there a god mode cheat?

im not playing the fucking game again unless there is or something that halves the damage enemies do up close.

[stone stump]

skill issue, but yes

[thorny apex]

being point blank shot by an Ai that knows you are about to round a corner and it instantly kills you is not a skill issue

[umbral oar]

you should record a vid

[true panther]

Guess what happens when you enter a building with someone camping in it in PUBG

die in like an instant. Treat every corner like there's an enemy waiting behind it.

[pearl shuttle]

Sorry but that sounds like a skill issue

Just run ceramic and call it a day lmao

[thorny apex]

how am i supposed to know there is a silent enemy waiting in a previously cleared area for em to round the corner

[median shadow]

give them heavy armor + steel plates + full coverage + F90 assault rifle + ballistic mask + riot shield

[heavy storm]

full loadouts? how many wedges per

and all that (nonlethal)

[true panther]

You have wedges for a reason, close off directions you aren't going

[pearl shuttle]

This is called complacency and it got you killed

[crude prism]

You only need 4 wedges and can do them all yourself (2 slots worth)

[thorny apex]

wedges?

[pearl shuttle]

🗿

[true panther]

Well... there's a tutorial in the game you might need to play before any of this then

[thorny apex]

I did play the tutorial it never mentions wedges

[tacit gull]

I don't remember the tutorial but that sounds about right 💀

There's a lot of shit the tutorial doesn't teach you

[crude prism]

RoN tutorial basically explains how to walk and press F

[misty island]

You.need better map control then. It was your mistake, that you allow enemies to ambush you. And yes, suspects are supposed to ambush you, so it was on your part.

[tacit gull]

It basically expects you to have played swat 4 in order to play this game lmao

[pearl shuttle]

Maybe they should've used SWAT 4's command menu

Current one is kinda poop

[umbral oar]

most of the and gadgets and doodads are self explanatory

[tacit gull]

I would've actually prefered one like swat 3's

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah but people would complain about it

Despite the fact that it is way faster to use

[tacit gull]

Or an option to switch between them like in swat 4

[pearl shuttle]

It kinda blew in SWAT 4, no?

[tacit gull]

Even though the classic command in swat 4 is fucking hideous

[thorny apex]

so how do you suggest i keep the Ais from moving at all then?

[tacit gull]

It takes up like half the screen

[stone bay]

You can’t, people have these cool things called legs that allow them to move around

[pearl shuttle]

Wedge doors to control spaces

[median shadow]

yeah

wedge every single door, control the flow

[stone bay]

I’m pretty sure they can eventually break through wedges

[misty island]

Use wedges to block doors off. Again, UI suggest to use my guide, if you struggle.

[pearl shuttle]

Or just tell your team to clear rooms, that usually works for me. I always tell them to clear previously cleared rooms just in case

[stone bay]

I was doing Voll House, I wedged a door, security kept banging on it and kicked it open

I believe there is a morale requirement that allows them to do so though

[pearl shuttle]

It's nice that the SWAT AI don't move in and clear a room if there's a suspect/civvie right in front of the door. Now if they could only do that during room clearings

[thorny apex]

Ahh it's an unreal game, nvm i think i remember how to unlock cheats

[stone bay]

🤦‍♂️

[pearl shuttle]

Skill issue

[thorny apex]

wouldnt be an issue if they had bothered with difficulty levels though

[tacit gull]

I think this is just a bug

[pearl shuttle]

It should be a feature tbh

[pearl shuttle]

No it's just a skill issue, the game isn't hard lol

Especially after they nerfed the AI

[tacit gull]

I'm not for difficulty levels, technically you can already make the game a cakewalk by just gassing every room

[pearl shuttle]

I think MMMM suggested difficulty sliders which would be a good compromise since people have different definitions of difficulty

[stone bay]

There’s also tooons of AI mods to choose from

[pearl shuttle]

I only really like Astral's but even then I'm not a big fan of all the changes it does

[stone bay]

why not make your own

[tacit gull]

I don't think the player should have to make those decisions, atleast not when playing the regular game

[pearl shuttle]

Too lazy

[thorny apex]

the game isnt too hard per say, but just having a 30 minute run ended without being able to stop it is the kind of savage sht i guess only hardcore players want

[stone bay]

it’s just editing text values

[tacit gull]

GB has like 80 different sliders that i was never asked to fuck with

[pearl shuttle]

I think difficulty customization is a great feature tbh. Keep the default difficulty the intended difficulty

[true panther]

The only map that should take 30 minutes is Port Hoken, idk how you could possibly take that long on others

[pearl shuttle]

I could see it happening for Rust Belt

That map blows

[true panther]

Rust belt is one of the faster ones, really???

[thorny apex]

the post office map when the last person dont spawn in

[crude prism]

difficulty options are not a bad thing?

[true panther]

Caves are a bit windy but rust belt is super linear

[pearl shuttle]

I spent a good amount of time searching for the last suspect in the tunnels

I think he might've been roaming

[crude prism]

obviously there would be a "this is the normal/intended difficulty" and then you can have easier or harder versions, and if they are going to do it, add sliders (please god)

[tacit gull]

They definetly can be, people can experience lesser versions of the game by just changing the difficulty in either direction

[pearl shuttle]

I still think the SWAT AI should have combat logic, like taking cover and not overpenetrating as they're being engaged. Neutralize the threat first, then clear

[true panther]

Post office takes long in multiplayer maybe because you can't trust anyone to clear right, solo post office is a decent 20 minute clear

[crude prism]

The other option is we lock the entire playerbase into one difficulty even though with every single change there is overwhelming outrage regardless of whether they make it easier or harder?

[tacit gull]

It's up to the devs to find a sweet spot, something which they haven't done

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah balancing is a very hard thing to do, especially when it comes to tactical shooters lol. There's a reason why Breakpoint added a bunch of options to allow people to customize difficulty

[crude prism]

If modding wasn't a fucking nightmare, and Void could get a good balanced experience in vanilla, I would consider needing to seek AI mods less of an issue

[median shadow]

arguably a difficulty setting of easy/medium/hard could be done just by changing how much body armor there is and what weapons and gear characters use

[tacit gull]

Maybe thst makes sense for a sandbox shooter or as a placeholder feature, but i wouldn't want people picking up the game and making the AI impossible and then getting mad at it

[crude prism]

Difficulty options is NOT a be-all-end-all of balancing issues, they should still be expected to set a base good experience

[opaque birch]

add easy normal and hard

[pearl shuttle]

Actually difficulty should be just like SWAT 4

[opaque birch]

wait i dont get it why do yall not want this

[pearl shuttle]

Well tbf only one person in this convo doesn't want it

[tacit gull]

Exactly my point, IMO elite difficulty is just an awful experience overall

[stone bay]

modding this game is super easy wym

[pearl shuttle]

Doesn't difficulty just change score requirements

Tbf SWAT 4 vanilla is kinda shit

[stone bay]

this is as far from nightmare as you can get for an unreal game

[crude prism]

the in-game manager is dogshit, garbage

[pearl shuttle]

I think people's perceptions of SWAT 4 might've been colored by Elite Force

[stone bay]

OH YOU MEANT THAT

do NOT use mod.io

[tacit gull]

It doesn't, but the score requirement is enough to make it ass

[pearl shuttle]

Mod.io works perfectly fine

[stone bay]

just go to nexusmods and install your stuff manually

[crude prism]

"yeah dude adding difficulty sliders in game is bad, we should just expect players to go get 3rd party mods instead because our in game mod manager is fucking broken"

[pearl shuttle]

SWAT 4 scoring is dumb (sort of like RoN's)

[delicate badger]

curious, why not use mod.io?

[pearl shuttle]

It barely works

[stone bay]

mod.io has a reputation for being not super great

i find it so much easier to just install stuff manually

[crude prism]

mod.io killed insurgency sandstorm modding for years, way too late for it to actually form a playerbase like old ins did

[tacit gull]

Atleast it exists, RON's ROE can basically be ignored

[stone bay]

literally drag and drop into paks folder easy asf

[opaque birch]

ngl installing manually is just straight up easier than not knowing if mod io is gonna do its job or not

[pearl shuttle]

SWAT 3 moment

SWAT 3 just turns into Rainbow Six halfway through the campaign. Kinda based tbh

[tacit gull]

Oh yeah RON is basically SWAT 3 when it comes to that, but without the cool medal system

[crude prism]

mod.io works fine completely for DRG, it just seems that Void implementation doesn't know how to manage files both installing and uninstalling

[tacit gull]

Or any of the other commanding systems

[pearl shuttle]

Or cool voice acting

[tacit gull]

RON is basically ALL of the bad parts of SWAT 3

[delicate badger]

Hmm... have used mod.io until now, but according to you guys, I should manuyally install mods instead?

[opaque birch]

you are taking away merits from the TOC voice actor

[stone bay]

100%

PLUS, nexusmods has so many more that arent listed on mod.io

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah but at least you could sprint in SWAT 3

Though thankfully VOID hasn't made a sewer level... yet

[tacit gull]

yeah bro i love getting spotted in stealth and having my character jump out as i'm pie-ing a corner

[opaque birch]

sniper or not and gunfighter

[pearl shuttle]

Just go dynamic all the time baybee

[stone bay]

advanced armory, visceral blood wounds, etc

[pearl shuttle]

All about that speed surprise and violence of action

[opaque birch]

recorded or not

[stone bay]

yeah all the good stuff is on nexus

[opaque birch]

actually gunfighter is on modio but the ingame installation doesnt make it work

[stone bay]

TRUE

[tacit gull]

the what map

[opaque birch]

THE WHAT MAP..................................................

[stone bay]

you heard the man

[pearl shuttle]

Damn the bot

[opaque birch]

dont even make it funny just kill him

[pearl shuttle]

Don't worry about the map

[tacit gull]

THE WHAT MAP???

[pearl shuttle]

The Long Johnson map

[tacit gull]

the long jackson map

[opaque birch]

john void johnson review when

[stone bay]

im working on a mod rn that completely overhauls the arsenal, adding more ammo variants, calibers, attachments, recoil system, penetration levels, etc.

[pearl shuttle]

Where hotfix

[opaque birch]

reveal i mean reveal

[pearl shuttle]

Is it deep penetration

[opaque birch]

this is hard send the link to me when u done this is hard

[stone bay]

you bet

[tacit gull]

don't

[opaque birch]

i desperately need more attachments on my guns you do not understand how bad i want that

[pearl shuttle]

Speaking of, are they ever gonna update the SWAT walk cycle. Looks really funny

[humble mauve]

Fairly certain an entire anim overhaul is still in the works

[tacit gull]

I think they're still working on that, it has changed since alpha

[pearl shuttle]

So we can expect it in two years?

[humble mauve]

if not for all at least a good portion from how it sounds

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah it's just the walk cycle that gets me

[tacit gull]

Sure hope so, hoping the damn ground arrest animations get better

[opaque birch]

Expect it in the next 10 years

Maybe

john void

[pearl shuttle]

They should add judo throws for arrest animations

I want MORE cop brutality

[stone bay]

let me use the knife

[crude prism]

we're like 2 days off from slugs being totally broken in multiplayer for 4 months

will it be fixed before the first DLC drops? lets place bets

lmao

[opaque birch]

yes add csgo knives to the game for the same price as the csgo knives

[stone bay]

lets add loot boxes while were at

CoD style skins

[tacit gull]

all proceeds to go john void to develop the game

[opaque birch]

add gambling to ready or not

[stone bay]

lootbox or not

[opaque birch]

Yes Buy More Ready Or Not Lootboxes And Remember To Buy Every DLC

-john voi

[pearl shuttle]

Todd Void Howard

[opaque birch]

jiogn bethesda

What

im telling god

i hope he smites you

[thorny apex]

yeah i have cleared the postal level completely and it wont end the level, shit broken yall

[shy tulip]

There is a side office, an upstairs, the middle area, and the truck bay.

[stone bay]

lol

[thorny apex]

all cleared

[stone bay]

suspects can play dead btw

[thorny apex]

all the doors are open, npcs dont come

[thorny apex]

well thats not good because sometimes you cant cuff dead bodies

[stone bay]

then theyre dead dead

hold tab to bring up tablet and see what objective is incomplete

[humble mauve]

If you complete everything (report all people/objectives, pick up all evidence) and have nothing else to do, then the mission will complete by itself. If you complete or fail all main objectives (Bring Order to Chaos, Rescue All Civilians, and any mission specific objectives) it will give you the option to soft complete the level

[thorny apex]

there was a manager in the upstairs office the first try, but there wasnt a manager in the level this time around

[shy tulip]

Their spawns do change to keep it fresh yeah

[thorny apex]

It says "rescue all civs" is not complete

[shy tulip]

Did you clear the side office, when you spawn in make an immediate right

[thorny apex]

yes i cleared the little shop area

[shy tulip]

Not the front shop area, the side office, employee kitchen looking area

[thorny apex]

yes its right next to it

Theres a warehouse i cant get to though

it says "Return to the operation zone" when i go to it

[shy tulip]

That's off map, which should be fine

In the conveyer area there is a big gap between the two sections, that's where the AI was for me when I had trouble on that map

[thorny apex]

you cant get into the big gap at the back tho

[shy tulip]

Not that big gap

I think the entrance is if you go to the FISA office on the first floor, but before you get there, make a right before you get to the open space leading to the trucks

[thorny apex]

well i tried a trainer and now my game has turned into a drugtrip nightmare

[thorny apex]

how do you find the bombs on the school map?

[stone bay]

For shotguns, is slugs the way to go? Or what round is better.

[thorny apex]

Apparently theres five bombs but only one on my level

[stone bay]

The college map only has 2 bombs I'm pretty sure

But there are multiple different locations that they can be

[stone bay]

pretty sure it can be one sometimes, it happened to me a few times

[acoustic ridge]

what armor should i give ai swat? ceramic or steel

[stone bay]

Damn anyone here know the kid "Delta 0-9" ?

Anyone has joined their lobby ?

I want to know why he gets angry with people who join their lobbies like bro it's a videogame

He takes it like it's IRL

[fiery hill]

Ceramic

And give yourself and them front and back protection, that way you have motivation to check those corners

[stone bay]

you guys know you can peek corners with mirrorgun

[viscid bane]

I think everyone knows that by now

[prime wing]

you would be surprised

[viscid bane]

Slugs suck use buckshot

[prime wing]

with the amount of people that dont

[viscid bane]

I prefer facechecking anyway

More fun, or use a flash first

[stone bay]

Alright, I tried to equip slugs and it gave me buckshot anyway idk if that's a common glitch or what

[viscid bane]

The game was correcting your mistake, make sure to thank John Void

[umbral oar]

slugs are pretty good now

[brittle spoke]

Sad face 😠 gotta start all over on iron mode lol but was a good run .. made it to post office..my AI team stress wise was solid .. none had been killed in action .. I shouldn't have played last night after the beach house map .. was too side tracked and post office u gotta pay attention

As well tho this last try was very happy with my strategy .. is only making me better playing

[copper cypress]

Will a flashlight or laser light attract a suspect's attention?

[umbral oar]

nope

unless it changed from 1.0 but i dont think it did

[stone bay]

Dude wth, I've died so many times from not turning them on in certain areas just because I thought they did

Wait so if they don't attract a suspect's attention, what's the point of an ir laser?

[umbral oar]

coolness, i guess

[stone bay]

Well that's going to help me a lot in Father of the Sons

If anything, in my opinion, it should attract their attention but also decrease their morale because of a laser pointed at their head

[shy tulip]

They can't see IR since none of the suspects use NVG, but flashlights can alert them.

[velvet sierra]

are the hospital raid and i think something like brixleys talent still in the game?

[shy tulip]

Yes

[velvet sierra]

ok thanks, all the maps are still in the game?

[shy tulip]

Brixley didn't receive any major changes, and I think hospital just has the smaller modes merged into the big

Some maps were completely overhauled and redone, some were merged from their modes, some are completely new

[velvet sierra]

alr thanks

[copper cypress]

What about red dot laser light? Not IR

[shy tulip]

I don't think so

[copper cypress]

Oh~ So currently only the flashlight will alert the suspect, but not the other two🤔

[velvet sierra]

is there anyway i can play the game pre 1.0?

just cause i cant run the new update

[shy tulip]

You'd have to do some technical stuff through SteamDB, RoN doesn't have dropdown beta support

[velvet sierra]

damn, bit annoying cause everyone was saying the new update would be super optimised and easier to run

[stone stump]

"everyone"

[crude prism]

this is still fake news, you can get suspects to play voicelines like "flashlight" "I see them" "someone is here" but it will not alert them

its not working properly if it IS supposed to alert people

pretty easy to test

[prime wing]

^ pretty much yeah

[copper cypress]

Okay, then I'd better use IR @@

[median shadow]

I wish the Officer system had a bit more depth to it

like if they chose their own gear and weapons and you had to work with what they had rather than customizing them like you own them

[ocean igloo]

i heard the DLCs main focus is gonna be about police agencys from other countries is that true

[urban walrus]

We don't really know if this is still true or not, since the theme of DLC 1 is just Home invasion, not GIGN or France, for example.

[stone stump]

what i know for sure is that if they do that, it's going to be pretty "boring" compared to vanilla

[cold island]

dude the post office mission is hard asf its so huge

i dont even have enough ammo

to pepperball all

[vernal bane]

Would recommend using beanbag for bigger maps just for the ammo

[prime wing]

they want to do an international dlc

but they havent said when or how

[limber steppe]

I wonder when we're going to get some more info on the upcoming dlc

[cold island]

alright thanks, i thought its range is limited though

nvm ill carry a beanbag myself

i realised i have to be the onw with the balistic shield my AI teammates fr doesnt know when to shield up

holy fk this is hard

[vernal bane]

I play True Solo so I don't know how it feels

What I can say for Greased Palms S% route matters

[dawn tree]

Hey guys, how can I see host's mods ? Yesterday I saw a list appear in chat don't know how

[stone stump]

you can't

[dawn tree]

Well unless I have hallucinations, it's possible

[stone stump]

or someone simply posted the list in the chat

[cold island]

any recommendations on armour? I dont mind being a bit slow if it increases my survivalbility. I usually run full steel heavy armour

[molten wren]

I just use heavy armor ceramic full.

[cold island]

difference between ceramic and steel??

[jolly verge]

ceramic block 100% of damage but have durability, steel is 70% but never break

[molten wren]

Last time I played with mods but I am pretty sure I've read it before modding that steel also causes spalling and gives like a small damage everytime its hit?

[jolly verge]

yeah hitting steel cause spalling, but it's not hurting you, only anyone who near you

[molten wren]

Ah yea that

[jolly verge]

and damage/radius from spalling depend on caliber, ammo type

[molten wren]

Would be pretty funny if one update sends spalling to your limbs injuring it like a small caliber round.

[stone stump]

bullets splash off of it, there's no actual spalling

[molten wren]

Yea not really spalling like fragments of the bullet.

[stone stump]

what

[molten wren]

From what I understood, you meant like the bullets just like have a small invisible aoe damage that spreads out instead of individual fragments that cause the damage?

[cold island]

well i sure hope it doesnt take 5 hits to break it

[thorny apex]

how do you change from multiple to single shot with the rifle?

[molten wren]

Check controls for fire mode, by default iirc it is X

[thorny apex]

oh boy its in the "interaction" section and not the "equipment" section

what is a better rifle than the starting mk18 one?

there doesnt seem to be any stats or rating from which to judge

or are they all just cosmetic?

[jolly verge]

sa-58 is the best in terms of damage

[thorny apex]

But if so, why isnt there indicators for damage, reload speed etc?

how is the average player meant to know which is best?

[molten wren]

7.62×51mm is 7.62×51mm
5.56×45mm is 5.56×45mm
So on so forth.

Test it out at the range to find out which is more suitable for you.

[thorny apex]

But what has that to do with anything?

[jolly verge]

you can use google spreadsheet if you need stats for all guns, ammo https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=10760490

[thorny apex]

but why arent the stats inside of the game?

doesnt make sense

[fast fractal]

in the end there is no meta just about all rifles are good

some just hit harder than others

[thorny apex]

is there any upgrade you get for "therpay" to allow more at once? Game is forcing me to use people who are stressed already

Despite 5 npcs with a "content" rating

[stone bay]

What?

I once had 3 people on my team in therapy at once

[jolly verge]

no, maximum officers allowed for therapy is 3

[thorny apex]

ahh i guess its designed to force some to quit then

[muted star]

Or try getting more arrests

[thorny apex]

i get a lot of arrests, but people still get stressed on missions anyway

[acoustic ridge]

g36 is pretty good, low recoil

[thorny apex]

seems like all this staff management side is pointless, cos ultimately, they get stressed anyway and you have zero choice over who is picked for the mission

[stone bay]

No they don’t

If you kill somebody the stress goes up

[acoustic ridge]

i can run 2-3 missions before i send my officers to therapy, full lethal (exception of when i gas/flash people which i barely do)

[thorny apex]

This desert cave mission is utter bullshit

at any point you can just be killed by headshot from someone coming around a corner

guess its time for god mode trainer again.

[jolly verge]

i hope you have helmet?

[molten wren]

Rust belt?

[jolly verge]

really?

[thorny apex]

how can i tell?

it shows i am wearing a helment, but there isnt any option to select a helmet or change helmet selection

but then it has 4 sections just labeld "body armor" which is pretty fufcking confusing

[acoustic ridge]

use nvgs and mirror gun, tell ai to flash and clear if you see anyone

well you dont NEED nvgs its just useful to see things

[thorny apex]

theres no doors, you can only give that order on a door

[molten wren]

You can give orders to certain areas that cut off from a room

Look at hallways and look at the lower middle section for MMB

[acoustic ridge]

just tell ai to move infront of you to tank bullets
no fall in order for that so just spam move to command

[molten wren]

Or use a shield with a pistol + flashlight and make it a habit to look at corners after crossing doors(after you've made sure the area beyond the door into the room is clear)

[acoustic ridge]

also just bring a shield in general if you keep getting shot in the back since shield somewhat protects your back

[thorny apex]

i dont know where i am shot, theres just a gunshot sound then i am dead

[acoustic ridge]

are you just rushing into every room

[thorny apex]

but the main problem is the instantaneous lethal damage enemies can do if you get bad RNG and they are at close range, so yep without difficulty sliders, gotta use a trainer

[jolly verge]

they damage to you is already capped to 70

[acoustic ridge]

ive played it perfectly fine using just light armor ceramic helmet and gas mask, i can tank quite a few shots before i die
my ai basically never dies unless they do the thing where they wander off, they have heavy armor with ceramic

[jolly verge]

and if you wear steel it's will reduce it to 21, so you can tank at least 7 bullets, is that not enough?

and the bandaging that healing you back to 50%

[thorny apex]

you cant bandage if you're insta killed

[tacit gull]

My guy you just need to learn to clear rooms and control situations

[acoustic ridge]

i dont think every person on rust belt has a shotgun

[molten wren]

The only insta kills I know are the tripwire traps

[tacit gull]

The game may be unbalanced, unfair at times and blatantly unfinished at others but is not impossible, not even close

[molten wren]

And the self deleting guys at neon tomb

[acoustic ridge]

pie a door before you go in (or tell ai to do it) then move and clear with a flash

[thorny apex]

additionally, the AI is always aiming at me even before they have line of sight, sometimes they start shooting me through walls before they've even seen me

[molten wren]

What

[thorny apex]

thats only annoying though, its just being rng instakilled which is too much for me

[molten wren]

They only aim at you if you're making too much noise and even then they usually just aim chest level at your predicted path of entry.

[acoustic ridge]

some ai does wallbang, which is pretty annoying but it usually doesnt kill you unless you really messed up earlier in your run

[thorny apex]

like just now a guy was firing his gun, but wasnt just not in the same room, but was down a corridor and round a bend.

[molten wren]

Do the deltoid protectors work in any way like reduce arm damage at least as shown in the paperdoll with the heavy armor?

[jolly verge]

nope, it's just indicate that you have heavy armor

[molten wren]

Damn

[jolly verge]

well limbs damage from suspects is already low

0.3x from 70, which is 21, same as steel

[molten wren]

Ahh nothing just y'know just a curious question, since it was there but I kept seeing the same limb damage no matter what changes to the armor is done.

[molten wren]

Do the devs do a Q&A stream every now and then?

[solid patio]

guys why am i not getting a single medal of valor

playing s ranks in multiplayer (no mods at all , playing in safe mode)

[molten wren]

iirc they only place s ranks for your mission in your singleplayer saves

[solid patio]

nah fuck that

ive played greased palms about 50 times now

some thing or the other always goes wrong , suspects disappear , evidence disappears or some fucker snipes me in one shot

[thorn summit]

what gun has the biggest mag?

[molten wren]

P90 my first guess

[thorn summit]

lets say, hypothectically, i want to mag dump a civillian that "appeared to point a gun at me", what has the highest firate and mag

[thorny apex]

I love all the exploding doors in the game!

[molten wren]

SPC-9 has a high RoF but a standard 30rnd mag iirc

[molten wren]

Check for tripwires...

[thorn summit]

also what gun has the worst recoil

[solid patio]

sa 58 maybe

[thorny apex]

i dont see anything but i have no idea what to look for

Yeah actually i just checked a door and there wasnt a tripwire on the floor

opened it fully and nothing happened, checked the door and nothing, went through the door and only then did it explode

must just be scripted to happen

[twilit sand]

random question, does anyone have any idea if the Lvar supports barrel attachments and my mods just broke it

[molten wren]

Its the integrally suppressed one right? No I don't think its supposed to.

[marsh gale]

What are playable graphics settings for a nvidia 1060 ti?

[bold sky]

everything low but shadow on med is a safe choice then you can work up from there

disable all the other stuff if you are uncertain about what they do

[fair tide]

Played my first ever party game. We played Relaspe and a person who never played the level and is only on Ires Of March rn. When my entire team died. I pulled through the entire level on my own only dying to the last terrorist bc for somereason when I flashed the room, the terrorist just said "nuh uh" and put a bullet in my dome.

I'm really proud of myself

[eager merlin]

womp

[thorny apex]

uhhh

is the game finished?

[acoustic ridge]

m249 and rpd from sniper or not mod
if unmodded then probably p90

[thorny apex]

cos there doesnt appear to be an end to the game

finish port hokan and then when back at the station theres no newer level

[tacit gull]

No, but i think the story might stay that way

Port hoken is the last one

[acoustic ridge]

i dont think ready or not really has an "ending"

[thorny apex]

why not? It's not in early access

should have an ending, or at least even a credits thing to let you know thats it

[tacit gull]

yeah well about that

[acoustic ridge]

theres credits in main menu but only if u click into it

[tacit gull]

The game is very clearly still in an alpha state, as many features are unfinished, absent or just not tested at all

[thorny apex]

So the story had no point at all? Jesus, i didnt expect it to leave me in tears but at least they could have added something

[icy wraith]

can anyone give me a good reason to play the hospital map?
such a waste of space & time. lol

[muted star]

is cool I guess

you can say it about any other map

[acoustic ridge]

gas is probably useful, be careful since suspects have rifles and stuff

[icy wraith]

nah, it's kinda lame. the first rooms look generic, the staircases have entire floors blocked, which makes no sense in a realistic scenario. Looks like a shooter on rails. The mid part is nice, but also disconnected. Too big a map for such a small team... nothing rings true and immersive about it. not to mention the poor performance

[acoustic ridge]

idk hospital isnt really my favorite map, its pretty fun when you try to rush through with a full team

[crude prism]

Hospital is a religious experience when you're trying to solo S rank or Iron-Man. Fucking slog

[limber steppe]

there are credits after you finish port hokan

[icy wraith]

some ppl like to suffer. It's a bad map

[limber steppe]

as for the ending: the game has no story that could be concluded in an ending, for the better in my opinion

[thorny apex]

There wasnt for me.

Just got my D grade and it went back to the station

[limber steppe]

well

idk then, but I for sure had credits when I finished the game

[raven schooner]

you might need to get a C rank at least for the credits

or you accidentaly skipped them, or the game bugged out

[limber steppe]

is there a grade requirement for passing missions apart from not getting an F?

maybe he failed an objective or sth, idk

[crude prism]

I sure love walking across the skybridge with no retaliation against the guys that are going to laser me through 2 panes of glass from the left because it's impossible to see

[limber steppe]

@thorny apex that could be it, did you fail any objectives

[thorny apex]

I only failed one i think which was to find some weapons but the game was allowing me to finish the level, therefore it was complete.

[limber steppe]

well then I go back to not knowing

[icy wraith]

i have absolutely never been suppressed by them on the skybridge. Is it a thing at all?

[umbral oar]

Yup

[crude prism]

If you spawn on the parking garage side, going across the skybridge can get you slammed with no way to fight back because of the stupid big windows on the 3rd floor on the other side

I want to say it happens absolutely everytime I play that map

[icy wraith]

what the heck. never got even shot at. i play solo and i use sprint to cross, of course. Maybe that's why.

[fair tide]

Any tips for Iaes Of March (Assassination Attempt mission)

[muted star]

Use wedges

[fair tide]

Got it!

[soft narwhal]

Take it slow, go room by room, use the wand to make sure you're prepared. Try to take the balcony room with the stained glasses ASAP cause if there's a guy there with one of the LMG's it's extremely risky to take it on as the last guy and you're already hurt.

Make sure to take full body armor coverage and heavy armor.
(Also Sweeney todd the demon barber of fleet street is goated asf)

[limber steppe]

the strategy that (eventually) worked out for me was clearing the middle room first, then making my way room by room
watch out for traps

[acoustic ridge]

for my s rank run i bought a bunch of wedges, first wedged EVERY door, then cleared laundry and center area with gas, then i cleared rest of rooms like normal
also check for traps

[prime mural]

i think u do need at least a d or c to get to the next mission right?

[limber steppe]

uh i really dont know

[crude prism]

I'm pretty sure you just need to not-fail any of the main objectives (?)

Which probably relates to about a D or lower if you fucked around a lot lol

[sudden marsh]

it may look like that, but considering the games state its just a glorified beta test anyways

[limber steppe]

yeah I think so too

but I think there are some you can get away with...?

[opaque birch]

RoN's commander mode is not a campaign it is a career mode it does not need to have a concrete story

if it was labeled CAMPAIGN then it would need to have a story

[limber steppe]

idk why so many people are expecting story from this game, when it's clearly not its premise

[crude prism]

and then at the end of the game for no reason they cocktease you with a plot

just to drive the nail deeper

[limber steppe]

yeah they absolutely did us dirty with the fisa plot point

[opaque birch]

they cocktease you??? just say tease

please never say cocktease again

[crude prism]

lmao

[limber steppe]

this was the only time the devs did that for the entire game

[crude prism]

Void is EDGING me with story

[raven estuary]

I heard we're edging on this server?

[limber steppe]

[crude prism]

Group edging in protest of DLC coming before fixes for the game

[earnest phoenix]

void seems to care a lot when they removed old hotel, cheryessa farm and scrapped fast food because it didnt fit the 'lore'

[crude prism]

👆 👆 👆 👆 👆

[raven estuary]

I'm edging to daydreams about the developers adding visible grades on missions, you know, the most basic ass feature

[limber steppe]

I mean they can still have lore in the game without giving it a full-on story mode

[prime wing]

DLC is gonna save the game story

Believe!

[crude prism]

They literally had this feature before 1.0 💀

They're just fucking with us

[raven estuary]

I know, that's literally what I said and felt whenever I played after release, I was like why is this game worse after release? 💀

[crude prism]

Stockholm syndrome experiment

[opaque birch]

me i am i fw gooning heavy

[limber steppe]

you don't know anything, payday 3 devs made an update after a couple weeks of radio silence, its highlight was that now you could unready in lobbies

[raven estuary]

Ah, yes, I have heard of the Payday 3 disaster

[crude prism]

Payday 3 is a disgusting failure of incompetence

[raven estuary]

And the so-called Operation Medicbag

Sequel so shit players went back to playing the old one

[limber steppe]

they got their priorities so wrong

instead of fixing the core issues of the game they're trying to hype up new features in their small weekly devlogs

[raven estuary]

Modern gaming be like

[crude prism]

HD2 removing in-mission supercredits when?

[limber steppe]

they're legit shorter than the ron briefings we get nowadays

"hi here's this new grenade, ok see you in a week"

[raven estuary]

Adding a replay button?

[limber steppe]

naw who he needs that

aint no one gonna replay missions

[raven estuary]

Yes, let me go back to the station for „story” reasons because Judge wakes up after being shot in the face 50 times in 10 minutes

My bad G

[crude prism]

Yeah it's not great

[limber steppe]

i think the reason there's no replay in career is so the game can apply the stress effects

which is very annoying nonetheless

[raven estuary]

Me with no one in my squad because I fired everyone

[crude prism]

I sure love being spawned in random parts of the station depending on campaign progress, so failing could make me have to walk all the way back through each time

[limber steppe]

does anyone even bother using the officer traits

I've yet to see a deep dive into them and their functionalities

[crude prism]

Some traits are OP, some are garbage, and some just dont work

lmao

[raven estuary]

^

[crude prism]

Traits were broken 100% for like 3 months btw, having a trait unlocked and "active" meant it was actually turned off

[limber steppe]

i would always run intimidator with the hope that I could kick some life preservation instincts into the suspects

no dice

[raven estuary]

I honestly didn't even know they had traits until recently because I just wanted to be a „lone wolf” type player, wish I could play without bots but also progress through the missions at the same time, since SWAT AI is garbage and they're more of an inconvenience if you want to backtrack and they're just blocking you

[limber steppe]

and they give you no numbers too, like "this guy makes your squad more accurate" ok... but how?

[raven estuary]

Suspect AI feels better trained than actual SWAT members in this game

[crude prism]

"does stacking these traits do anything?"

guys I heard if you get 4 kickers you can launch a door off the hinges as a weapon

[raven estuary]

Yeah, exactly. The fact that they have perks which don't really make sense... How is this SWAT member supposed to make suspects easier to give up from less than lethal rounds exactly? Is he gonna spit on each pepperball for morale damage or what?

[crude prism]

he painted a scary face on his helmet

[earnest phoenix]

4 paramedics makes officers get more health as they get shot

[limber steppe]

you kick down a door and its like a c2 explosion

doors dont break your legs no more, legs break the doors

[crude prism]

kicking a door heals you for sure with the kicker trait

[opaque birch]

yo ur pfp freaky asf i fw u heavy ❤️