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[copper cypress]

Oh~

So accidentally killing a surrendered or handcuffed target in a firefight won't trigger it?

Suddenly I had an evil idea 😛

[shy tulip]

I don't think the AI are going to play very nice

[ionic gale]

I think it was Amos Voll who said “owie-zowie, right in my infinity stones” when shit dead by police

Not “shit”

shot 😭

[neat beacon]

In all seriousness, is Void Interactive working on fixing the AI? Like have they made a statement or atleast a youtube apology video??? By all means, I don't want the AI to be easy, I like a challenge. However, I think it may just very slightly be unrealistic when you absolutely slap them with a beanbag round and they provide you with a no-fucks-given attitude and manage to proceed melting my forehead with zero recoil on their uzi.....UZI....? Or when I toss a gas grenade at their toes but they proceed to skidaddle out of the cloud of smoke and once again. Beam my face with bullets (no recoil).

[ebon lark]

Not once have I seen a person get shot by a bean bag and not do the painful shake, even the vets with plate carriers

[neat beacon]

or how they watch my entire AI team stroll by like they're a bunch of his buddies and them send me to the pearly gates of Heaven the second he sees my face as if I stole his girl or sum shit

[neat beacon]

well it just happened on Port. I watched as he did nothing then shot me

[ebon lark]

Absolutely sure you didn't miss ? The shotguns have much worse ADS speed and sway when moving or looking around. I've had moments where I thought the bean bag did nothing, but I just shot before the sights were aligned and missed. And the game calculates the bullet trajectory from the barrel, it doesn't snap the bullet source from the middle of the camera when you ADS.

[shy tulip]

They've said they'll continue to work on the AI to make them more unpreditable in a fun way. I don't see anything necessarily wrong with what you said, I think the port guys have armor, and I dunno if I'd say that armor shouldn't block beanbags.

They'll also try to escape the gas, but a simple shout can get them to surrender at that point.

[neat beacon]

Well I threw a gas grenade then peaked, saw my laser on his stomach took the shot, he started strafing as I took the shot and then just melt me. While my entire AI is right next to me. I mean c'mon dude you haven't seen the clips of the bots aiming at people thru doors and just not missing an entire shot. They are a bitt unrealistically overpowered.

[ebon lark]

Yeah, they always try to avoid gas and hide from it, same if you pepper them. Some may even continue shooting as they waddle about to safety, it's a matter of how high their morale is. Some won't even surrender at first and might go in a spot where they're covered by more suspects and that's just part of the game. And yeah, body armor should go against bean bags since the impact force will be spread out by the plate. Which is weird, because Ides of March took no more than 2 bean bags for each suspect to comply when I did it.

[neat beacon]

I mean even if I did miss. Still the fact that these "thugs" somehow can empty a mag on an uzi with zero recoil? its genuinely ridiculous. Maybe in a map with mercenaries or something would have better accuracy but i mean its like they lock onto your hitbox and just smoke you

[ebon lark]

The "John Wick AI" as we call it, was on v1.0 release. Nowadays, bots feel neutered after that. They rarely hit shots through cover now, they mostly just stay wherever you saw them and occasionally push you. They specifically tweaked their accuracy and tracking ability through walls in Hotfix #2 I think

[shy tulip]

If we're being realistic, you mentioned you were playing port. You picked the very last mission, intended to be the hardest, and expected them not to be able to hit you. Especially considering the map is built in a way for them to be able to ambush you in corners, while you don't have much cover outside of corners

[ebon lark]

And yeah, thugs might need more accuracy tweaking since they're not experienced. But then again, if you were close to him then accuracy isn't so important. He's spraying with a high ROF smg, at that point it's accuracy through volume.

[neat beacon]

Idk, I just spent the last week running through every map, non lethal and am on the last map. I'm very careful when peaking, pushing, or anything and it's just kinddaaa annoying when I'm 17 mins in and get killed by some AI thats programed to hit every shot loll. I got my entire team AI out of cover next to me and I'm literalityyy free lean peaking to where just my guns out of cover, and he doesnt shoot any of them and just stays locked onto me

its just feels stupid lol. nothing more to it. I can't see any real scenario where a shooter would ignore four armed swat guys standing in the open and just land nothing but face shots on me as he runs away. like lmaooooo

[ebon lark]

If they were after you first, then my guess is that suspects are programmed to prioritize the player either as a difficulty tweak or to artificially give the teammate AI more survivability and in your case, it acted up in a weird way. It is weird it happened.

[misty island]

Now you have seen it.
#🐜archived-bug-reports-channel message

[ebon lark]

Okay, what the fuck was that LOL

He ate that like it was a little baggy of refried beans

[misty island]

Vks, tpl and beanbag are all programmed to ignore armour.

[misty island]

It only happened to me on the Hospital. That's why I hate it.

[dense sleet]

Getting S rank on Relapse and Greased Palms will be in my psych ward admission paper

[misty island]

I still get nightmares from that. I do not understand, why SWATi AI with lethal weapons is so good, but when you give them less-lethal weapons, they become useless...
The only thing I can advise you is, play in commander mode and use 2 pacifiers, armourer+ceramic and intimidator.

[shy tulip]

It's a representation of how if Batman ever started killing it'd be very easy

[dense sleet]

I think it's technical limitation of AI, both your SWAT team and enemy heavily cheat, because AI, not telling that is bad thing. Every game do that, from civilization to halo, current AI cannot compete with human without help

[molten trail]

if anyone is bored

[dense sleet]

You think your teamate are good with firearm and not with their vks but they just got aimhack created for bullet not pepperball

[molten trail]

can anyone help me tru the tutorial

[shy tulip]

The narrator is there to help you through the tutorial, silly

Idk if the bots do well with the pepper guns because the pepper guns are pretty unique. I don't like the cloud mechanic, but I have seen some people who do, so idrc

[molten trail]

@shy tulip for some odd reason, mmb doesnt work very well etc

and im on a belgian keyboard, which fucks me bigtime and have to remap every key

[shy tulip]

It's 4am for me, but I think that's just your scroll wheel

[molten trail]

so when i pressed mmb

[dense sleet]

Im sure you saw your ai squad trying to shoot through wall even tho they got non lethal, they are neither good or bad just coded to use an assault rifle

[molten trail]

they didnt want to lign up 😦

[shy tulip]

Are you are the "queue the breaches" part?

[molten trail]

idk

[shy tulip]

Yeah I dunno, I like them for the most part, I just give em beanbags

[dense sleet]

Murphy's Law, they will headshot and kill, ruin your S rank, during the perfect run.

[ebon lark]

I don't even count the pepperball launchers as an option, most of the time the AI just starts to waddle out into unsafe areas with more suspects. It's very inconsistent for me.

[dense sleet]

I do not trust those bot with anything more powerful than a alertwhistle

[dense sleet]

Love when they ignore 4-5 orders to enter and clear or when one decide to go cuff someone 4 miles away through the most dangerous path and get killed withrout you being able to do anything

[molten trail]

stuck again lol

can't command split teams

[ebon lark]

Oh, I meant when you shoot the suspects. They do the eye cover, start shooting in your general direction or start coughing and then walk away and you can't do shit without violating ROE. And if they start shooting you, then your S rank goes in the shitter.

[dense sleet]

I'm really hoping in some future update that roe get more complex and realistic

[stone bay]

I js got a voice line in relapse by a civ when being restrained "I think they're after the boy" or something along those lines, is that smth related to found lore?

[shy tulip]

I thought hospital was something like the leader getting sent to the hospital after the raid and they come to get him out

I forgor

[stone bay]

oh, sick ty

[dense sleet]

"The boy"? Yeah i thought they are here for their leader that for arrested in the night-club attack

[shy tulip]

That boi

[dense sleet]

Curious to call a 30ish terrorist leader that killed dozens of people "boy" 💀

[shy tulip]

30 years young

[dense sleet]

They are here for the silly itty bitty boy (isis leader, #1 on interpol list)

[stone bay]

some1 pls answer how I died in Game clips

[molten trail]

a+ on first ever mission, nice 😄

[dense sleet]

Gg bro 👏

[twilit zenith]

Honk

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[stone bay]

are their any soft objectives on talent time, I'm trying to get a pb and don't want to end it js to find out there was more

[sharp fox]

can someone give me the link for the advanced armoury mod or whatever

[dense sleet]

Nope

[stone bay]

if there ends to be soft objectives I am drone striking your house pookie <3

there wasn't any you don't get drone striked today <3

[dense sleet]

Wait you can be sure to never leave early, the level end itself if: no civilians are killed and all are cuffed, all task are done and every gun IS secured

[stone bay]

I missed a single gun and I don't get A+

[dense sleet]

WHY DID YOU PRESS Y

[stone bay]

IDK I DIDNT KNOW THAT WAS A THING

U SAID IT A BIT LATE MY GUY

[ebon lark]

If you want the higher score possible, never vote. The game automatically ends the mission if you've completed and reported everything in the game. If you fail an objective, it won't. Even if you get everything else.

[dense sleet]

Ask your squad to search and secure, if all enemy are dead or cuffed they will restreint/secure weapon on the ENTIRE map instead of only the room you are in, and go to accessibily setting and enable weapon highlight, you will see them easier

[stone bay]

tysm

[leaden holly]

Sometimes I complete a mission and get A instead of A+ even though everything is green and no penalty, why is that?

[stone bay]

I think time adds smth

[ebon lark]

No, SWAT deaths and time don't affect it. Incapacitations also don't give a higher score than killing suspects, so that doesn't matter either.

[dense sleet]

Maybe too many died instead of being incapacited, use smaller caliber or stop aiming for the head

[dense sleet]

Seriously ? Always thought passed out instead of dead gave more point 🤔

[ebon lark]

I thought so myself, but me and another guy tested it the other day. You can blow everyone with shotguns and as long as you follow ROE, you get the same amount of score as if you incapacitated them. The only difference in that regard, is arresting them conscious.

[dense sleet]

So its either surrendered or dead no inbetween? Guess you need more flashbang/CS gas Clairefontaine

[ebon lark]

I mag-dumped every suspect in Thank You, Come Again to make sure they're dead and got A+

[queen cedar]

does doing runs in practice mode allow for achivements?

trying todo hanged man

[ebon lark]

And as far as score goes, reporting an incapacitated suspect and a dead suspect both give you +5 points.

[leaden holly]

Yes, I did everything in practice mode all the way to hide and seek and I got achievements, and it also unlocked clothing and watches, and then I went to commander mode

[queen cedar]

aight thanks chief

[ebon lark]

Yes. That's the only way to get S rank. Arresting suspects gives you +35 points, I think. Compared to +5 on dead/downed suspects. You need the absolute maximum score for S and you can only get that with all arrests.

[queen cedar]

also praying for less enemies to spawn

thats what my brother said and he s ranked all the maps 2 weeks after 1.0 dropped

[dense sleet]

Yeah i realised that on my elephant S rank because you need to neutralize EVERY shooter in 60 sec~ before they shoot anyone because if one civilian is alive but passed out you cant get more than A

[stone bay]

so like, 4 shooters in 60 seconds

that a shooter every 20 seconds

how fast do you think you run in ron

[earnest phoenix]

they get 2 mins before activating

[dense sleet]

7 science classroom, main lobby, lecture hall, 2 WC, the library and the sandwich shop(dont know how to call it in english)

[ebon lark]

Sandwich bar

[dense sleet]

Starting from the northern entrance, not stopping for civ/bomb, spamming flash and hoping RNGesus is feeling generous

[dense sleet]

No like when you spawn, you've got 60 sec countdown where civ will not be shot, After that its random, sometime they kill everyone, sometime you have more time

So if you manage to get all shooter spot you and make them go in "fight mode" instead of idle/patrol

[ebon lark]

It's 120 seconds, though.

[dense sleet]

Guess i was just unlucky then, had to retry 30-40 Times because i Always found a random dead civ in a map corner (or just skill issue i may be dumb)

[earnest phoenix]

which is more than enough to get all of them if you learn where they spawn after like 3 playthroughs

[leaden holly]

Is raid still an available game mode? I literally bought this game about a week ago and I'm not sure if they cut lot of content out

[dense sleet]

Nope, no more gamemode.

They merged gamemode and content that used the same map

Before you had like bomb, hostage and barricaded suspect mode on Relapse, that used different part of the Map, now you have all in one, two bomb and the ai can use humanshield

[leaden holly]

I see, though I played through all missions, I never realised different missions had different themes

[ebon lark]

Yeah, I didn't see the difference until someone mentioned it. Twisted Nerve used to have one house per scenario, not both at once.

[dense sleet]

Before you either had thé left one + tunnel, or in raid you had both houses but not tunnel

I prefer it now, bomb and hostage gamemode were way too short and not challenging. Y'all liked the update or prefered before?

[misty island]

Chess

[misty island]

Who don't you like it?

[misty island]

Yes, you are correct. And after apprehending the leader two things happen - either AI get boost to marolae, or a big deduction from morale.

[misty island]

None

[misty island]

A bit stupid mechanic. What If I want to explore a level?

[misty island]

Dead/incap suspect give +5, while alive give +35. You just didn't get enough score for A+.

[ebon lark]

I mean, you can always explore the level after you complete the hard objectives and need to vote.
You can't go back and get the 1 weapon you missed after you vote to end the level.

[misty island]

SWAT death matters. In SP you lose points for it, in MP you gain points.

[neat beacon]

Do I not get the Way Out West acheivement if I used a riot shield with the magnum???

[ebon lark]

You only need to shoot with the .357. So yeah, it'll work.

[neat beacon]

I just comepleted Coyote with the magnum without anything else besides the riot shield but it didn't give it to me

[misty island]

Both give +5

[ebon lark]

Did you do it alone in multiplayer ? I did it with another person in multiplayer and it didn't give it. But people get other achievements in Practice mode

[neat beacon]

I did it in practice mode but I'll try again without the shield.

it did feel a lil cheesy using it lol ngl

[ebon lark]

I don't think the shield should affect it, since you're still shooting with the .357 and only the .357
No idea why it wouldn't give it

[misty island]

In 120 seconds, then they start blasting.

[misty island]

Run light armor with front ceramic only.

[neat beacon]

Well idk i didn't use flashbangs or melee or anything else and I secure everything to where it ended the mission automatically so idk what else could've caused me not to get the acheivement.

[misty island]

You do not need to use grenades either, just good ol' beanbag

[misty island]

In some mission you have only 2 default hard objectives and AI is too keen on competing them.

[misty island]

Just have it on your back.

[misty island]

Then achievement would say, if it allowed shield.

[leaden holly]

I have never played previous versions of RoN but the way it is right now with like 18 missions with different scenarios and themes, it's quite grounded, although I was hoping for something different, for example, infiltrating a building where a VIP is held and extracting them from a building, or escorting a VIP to a destination and I don't know, car hits a mine or something

[leaden holly]

So I must use non-lethal gear if I want A+?

[misty island]

Theoretically no. But in practice, yes.

[ebon lark]

You can get A+ with all dead suspects. You can always get more points by having people arrested, though. At least on gas station, killing all suspects gives you A+

And the ratings scale with the amount of civvies and suspects, so I guess it should work for all levels.

[misty island]

Gas station is the only mission, where you can get A+ with all dead/incap suspects.

For other mission with all dead/incap suspects(wich all other hard and soft completed) you can get max B, on some missions C.

[ebon lark]

Damn. Okay. I think they should make incapacitations give you a higher score than killing suspects. They won't be conscious, but they survive and can be interrogated and put on trial after the fact anyway. Some suspects just really don't give you the chance to arrest them if you're not going full-lethal. Would give weapon selection and trigger discipline more meaning. And make higher scores easier to get without having to arrest people who very much don't intend to give up.

[misty island]

On "Carriers of the Vine" I incapacitaded Elaine and immediately tied her. After that she bled to death.

So I got +500 and then -500 almost imideately.

[ebon lark]

That's unlucky. Was she actively squirting blood when you tied her ?

[misty island]

I do not remember, neither I cared. We were just having fun.
I mean, I thought that we stabilise the suspect, when we tie them, so they will.not die.

[ebon lark]

Because I did also get a guy on Greased Palms shooting me from behind a shelf in the storage room behind the shopfront. I shot through the cover to get the incapacitation, he went down and then died without bleeding. I guess there's more to the mechanic.

[dense sleet]

Yeah i mean it's obvious that there is a big difference between a few precise shot as a proportionnal use of lethal force and mag dumping in a panic, before the guy even had a chance to stop and surrender.

[misty island]

From the lore perspective, the suspects had the chance to surrender before we (D-platoon) arrived, so it is our job to stop them in any way we see the more effective, concerning the situation.
But yes, I do agree, that there should be a difference in score between dead and incap. Otherwise, there is just no reason to use smg.

[ebon lark]

Still fits in the lore. If D-platoon focused on non-vital shots, they get to bring the suspects to justice anyway, despite the fact that they refused to surrender and comply during negotiations

[dense sleet]

No i mean that, both IRL and IG, the ROE will never tell you that the guy can be executed while surrendering because he shot you earlier. LSPD ROE is either shoot in self-defense, or shoot first if armed but never "shoot someone fleeing, surrendering or freezing in panic with his weapons aimed at the ground"

[misty island]

"Non-vital"
I mean, everything is vital in a person. Any shot can be lethal. ;D

[dense sleet]

Finished so many mission After sustaining 5-6 headshot without helmet, il trying to suspect my brain isnt vital organ 🦍

[ebon lark]

Yeah, but there's much higher chances to live if shot in the pelvic area or gut shot, than a chest straight on

They'll get sent to a hospital as soon as possible after the situation's over, a gut shot won't kill them

[dense sleet]

ROE: Cock and balls shot until complying

[ebon lark]

HAHAHAHA

The secret to compliance is not yelling "LSPD, PUT YOUR HANDS UP!", it's telling them "DROP YOUR WEAPON OR I TAKE YOUR NUTS!"

It's a verbal beanbag

[dense sleet]

"pelvic area" is just the only way to make a man shoot another man in that area, every gentleman know that only animaly aim at other gentleman dick

[misty island]

Actually, that is where is usually shoot - center of th mass

[dense sleet]

It's the same reason officer will say "neutralize threat" instead of "shoot that guy", only way we went from 20% of soldier using their weapon in WW2 to 80% in Vietnam

[ebon lark]

When I say pelvis, I don't mean the groin straight up so I blast his dick off, it's more around the sides where his pelvic bone is. You shot once or twice and even in real life, guy would have a problem standing up. You break the pelvis, you drop like a sack of potatos. But I am guilty of shooting some... dozen or two people's dicks off in the heat of the moment.

[dense sleet]

Yeah i know, even in my country military/police call that "LETHAL LOW AREA/ZONE LETAL BASSE", which you aim if able and enemy armor makes it useful

And very useful for PCP/meth/psychosis target

[ebon lark]

You can shoot the meth fiends in the head and they'll still be looking for their next hit. Fucking terminators.

[dense sleet]

Jokes aside i saw a bodycam footage of a us cop, emptying 3 1911 mag in both the torso and leg of methed up suspect with a knife

(if that happened in Ron i would make a 2000 words post about how this game his unfair and the suspect cheat while sending death threat to void)

[ebon lark]

I swear, people really high on meth probably inhibit their brain's ability to detect shock from injuries around the body. I get the psychological aspect of not feeling pain, not feeling scared or like you're invincible. But that has to be some physiological thing. No way a sober person is shot in the torso with .45 ACP THAT much and he's still standing. At the very least, body would go into shock. Meth is a hell of a drug. No wonder Nazis fed tankers with meth chocolate.

[dense sleet]

Did you ever realize you had an injury a few minutes after because of adreline, like not feeling a broken finger until a few minutes after a fistfight ? Its not psychological, your brain doesnt ask, meth and other drug just artificially act like the natural "my life is in danger, pain will slow me down" reaction that naturally happen in life or death situation

[ebon lark]

No, I get that. But even with adrenaline and you not being aware of what's happened to you in the moment, serious injuries can send the body into shock and you just shut down. Meth heads don't even feel that thing, there's no way 21 shots of .45 ACP in the chest don't do any serious damage. At this point it's not just the adrenaline, it's just the body not being able to even realize that there's something serious going on and go into shock to try and preserve itself

[dense sleet]

In that situation you either need really heavy caliber and like use pure kinetic force to slow/stop him (still wont feel pain just the push) or hit the brain or heart to drop him, some vital area takes between a few seconds and few minutes, those will drop a sober target instantly but not PCP/meth suspect.

[ebon lark]

I knew meth heads felt like they were invincible, but as it turns out, they pretty much are until you completely fuck their bodies up. Damn.

I didn't say they'd survive, but they're still going at you when others would be down or dead.

[dense sleet]

Feeling pain is not a weakness, its the brain forcing you to avoid danger, Falling inconsious to slow down bloodloss is not your brain failing, its when your brain know that you wont survive long if you stay up and at 120bpm. (Unless it's a headshot ofc it shutdown)

[dense sleet]

Damn just realise i could have TLDR and just say "aim for the cock"

[molten wren]

why is there a room with nothing but walls and glass walls with tables at the center at one of the locations in neon tomb like the bathing area next to the two restrooms.

[misty island]

Pool/bathouse area.

[dense sleet]

Circle gooning area

[misty island]

@molten trail #📩feedback-reports-channel message
What?

[molten trail]

If u open a door irl

Door doesnt go 180°

[misty island]

But in RoN it can be opened both ways. There are no doorways. The problem I highlight, that you can only open a door from yourself.

[molten trail]

You mean "push"

And u want "pull"?

[misty island]

Oh yes, that the words, thank you

[misty island]

Me englad iz bed

[molten trail]

U should edit it, owo

[misty island]

Already

[molten trail]

Luff u

[misty island]

❤️

[copper cypress]

Would any of you refrain from using assault rifles because of hostage safety concerns?

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

Swat Ai killed the hostage. If they had used SMGs maybe the hostages wouldn't have died🫠

The hostage is the key to the mission. When the enemy no longer has the hostages, the mission is complete.

[ebon lark]

That wouldn't really be true. SMGs, for the most part, shoot 9mm and .45 ACP. Then you have 10mm, 5.7 and 4.5.
With the exception of 5.7 and 4.5, the rest are MUCH bigger calibers than the ARs and will put much nastier wounds in soft targets.
And this more or less translates to the game, because SMGs on unarmored targets are very effective where in some cases you'd need more shots to take them down with 5.56 AP. And who runs hollow points on their rifles ?
Technicality and hypotheticals aside, if SWAT shot the civvie because of the suspect behind them, it wouldn't matter what weapon it is. SWAT AI just derped and unleashed a dozen shots. Every civvie would die.

[ionic gale]

yeah and on the more difficult maps, even AP 9mm would be horseshit with armored eneimes

pistol calibers should rlly only be used on the first few maps in the game

I use the smgs a lot bc im like that but yk.

only for shits and giggles lol

[copper cypress]

Maybe from death -> incapacity lol

[opaque birch]

𝓃𝒶𝒽 𝓋𝓇𝑜... 𝒽𝑜𝓅 𝑜𝓃 𝒻𝑜𝓇𝓉𝓃𝒾𝓉𝑒 𝒾𝓂𝓂𝒶 𝓉𝑜𝓊𝒸𝒽 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝓋𝓇𝑜

[stone stump]

no idea where you got that "5.56 AP is worse than pistol calibers against unarmored targets", but that's wrong. the former takes 2 bullets to incap, while the latter needs 3 (9mm) or 2 (.45 and 10mm)

[opaque birch]

the rest are much bigger caibers than the ars
9x19>556x45?
11.23x23>556x45?
10x25>556x45?
math aint mathin vro

[stable kernel]

Muzzle velocity? Never heard of it. Kinetic energy? Doesn't exist.

[opaque birch]

no it does not.... shur up vro.... imma steal yo soul vro....

also his point is that pistol calibers are bigger calibers than ar calibers i am just refuting that point

[stable kernel]

Caliber only means something when the bullet has enough energy and penetrating power. Look up 50 beowulf vs 50 bmg

They are both the same caliber

[opaque birch]

yeah but 50 bmg is a bigger caliber than 50 beowulf vro

[stone stump]

they're bigger though...

[opaque birch]

nah

nuh uh youre wrong youre not correct shut up im never wrong vro

[stable kernel]

Caliber is the width of the bore/bullet. .50 BMG and beowulf are the same caliber

But you can see they are not the same

[opaque birch]

thank you vro i actually did not know this

ok so vrodie is right about the caliber thing but pistol calibers definitely are NOT better at defeating armored people than 556

[ebon lark]

I said AP for the rifles, specifically. Kinetic energy doesn't mean much, when you've got a small projectile going straight through soft tissue. That was my point.

[stone stump]

diameter*

[ebon lark]

So compared to a harder 5.56 bullet zipping through your gut, a 9mm would make a much worse wound when it expands on impact.

[stone stump]

doesn't matter, because the game doesn't reflect that

[opaque birch]

yeah but 556 zipping through your vest is more efficient at it than 9mm zipping through your vest

[stone stump]

rifle calibers are better in all scenarios

[ebon lark]

But unarmored targets don't have a vest, that was one of the points.

[opaque birch]

SMGs on unarmored targets are very effective where in some cases you'd need more shots to take them down with 5.56 AP.

untrue

ingame untrue

[native rune]

On the like, two maps where you’ll encounter suspects that have no armor and/or incomparable weaponry you don’t need to match or exceed

[ebon lark]

I guess it is, I rarely run SMGs in game so I can't really be sure.

[stone stump]

7* with no armor at all

[timid wraith]

i normally use vortex for mods but one that i want is manuel dowload only so how will i be able to unistall it with manager?

[ebon lark]

As for caliber, since you made a reply, if you have a 9x19 and a hypothetical 9x39, they're both 9mm. Caliber is the diameter, the cartridge length just gives it more velocity and kinetic energy. But both are 9mm, still.

[native rune]

Download all your mods manually, problem solved

[stone stump]

real

[opaque birch]

fr

[timid wraith]

that didnt answer my question though

[native rune]

Yeah it did you’re welcome

[ionic gale]

If you go to the files tab of the mod there should be a mod manager download that should be able to usually work

[timid wraith]

there isnt fir sime reson

[ebon lark]

Yeah, just do them manually. Apart from a few mods out there, everything else including dependency mods, are just a drag and drop into a folder. That's it.

[ionic gale]

Although, of course, not all manual download only mods will have that type of feature

[timid wraith]

it didnt i ask how will i unistall it ...

[native rune]

You delete the mod you manually installed

By selecting it and clicking delete

[opaque birch]

just install manually

[native rune]

Manual install is just a simple drag and drop, no need to over complicate it with a mod manager that some mods recommend you do not use

[copper cypress]

Which pistols do T1 pistols and T2 pistols refer to?

[spare grove]

Do we know if there has been anything officially said about the Ready or Not getting VR support any time soon?

[timid wraith]

yall need to learn how to read, ok i get it now but im not saying how to do it with vortex i am asking how will i unistall, read the question b4 answering

[ebon lark]

The only thing Vortex does, is give you a standalone app that does the downloading and "installing" for you. Just go in the Paks folder, find the .pak file with the name of the mod and delete it. But I'm sure Vortex should have a way to delete mods anyway, but I wouldn't know it as I haven't used it.

[opaque birch]

install manually

[stone stump]

yes, it won't

[native rune]

The time you saved typing b4 and not before is exponential

[timid wraith]

i dont do it to save time i do it bc its easier

[spare grove]

Do you know where that comment was made?

[ebon lark]

Well, seems to be a pain in the ass to delete a mod from Vortex now, so it might not be

[stone stump]

vortex is definitely harder than moving files

[stone stump]

im a random person on the deepweb, you can trust me

[timid wraith]

not even that hard just more steps

[spare grove]

[opaque birch]

oh yeah its not hard its just harder vro

install manually

[timid wraith]

i said it might be more time cosmuing but the steps are easier to follow imo there are just more

[ebon lark]

Just go into the .paks folder and find the .pak file that has the name of the mod and delete it. Launch the game, see if Vortex redownloads it. If it does, then I don't have a guess.

[timid wraith]

i would rather break a 1000 pieces of wood that are 1mm thick than break 100 1 cm pieces

[stone stump]

it was a long time ago, but it was basically made clear that it won't get official VR support with the release of some VR tools for modders or some shit

[opaque birch]

vro manually install vro

dont waste ur time vro its way quicker to manually install

[stone stump]

proceeds to delete system32

[timid wraith]

this is what would happen if i tried manually bro

[opaque birch]

bro... just go into paks folder and drag ur paks there

[ebon lark]

It's a drag and drop, man. It's harder to find where a game's save file location is, than download a single file and move it to a folder that you can have saved on Quick Access

[stone stump]

it's not, you just ask google for the location

[ebon lark]

Still more clicks

Okay, correction. Not harder, but longer to do.

[stone stump]

not exactly with the download speed on nexus :P

[umbral oar]

#🐜archived-bug-reports-channel message bruhs kneeling wtf

[ebon lark]

I've spent, at most, 10 seconds downloading a 200-something megabyte file from there. Ballistic and his fucking AAA quality models

[stone stump]

you're not downloading a 200MB file in 10 seconds with the speed of 1.5MB/s

[opaque birch]

vro is praying to allah

[timid wraith]

who is vro and why is he praying

[opaque birch]

me im praying to allah you start downloading manually

[opaque birch]

steam > cog icon > browse local files

[stone stump]

that's not where saves are

[timid wraith]

i need like 15 other mods for the one i want so i think ill just pass completely

[opaque birch]

steam > cog icon > manage drop down > browse local files

[stone stump]

that will take you to the install location

[opaque birch]

yes vro then you go into ReadyOrNot> content> paks

ez pz

[timid wraith]

or just click on ron and then propeites isntalled files and takes you striaght there

even easier and better vro

[opaque birch]

that takes you more clicks

[timid wraith]

btw what cog are you talking about

[opaque birch]

that deadass takes you more clicks you go into the manage dropdown and browse local files is right there

[opaque birch]

look at achievements and look straight to the right

shawham

[timid wraith]

also what is vro?

[opaque birch]

vro

[timid wraith]

vro

[opaque birch]

im a lobotomite vro

[timid wraith]

vro?

[opaque birch]

yes vrodie?

[timid wraith]

vrodie?

who is this vrodie

[stone stump]

bro but with v

[opaque birch]

vro

[timid wraith]

really?💀

[opaque birch]

yes vro... did you not notice

[timid wraith]

just use bro

[opaque birch]

nah vro... 𝒾𝓂 𝒻𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓀𝓎

[timid wraith]

will the re shade mod kill my fps?

[opaque birch]

this is 𝒻𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓀𝓎phobia

[timid wraith]

[stone stump]

no, but it will affect the performance

[opaque birch]

vro why r you lookin at me like that vro

[timid wraith]

do all visual mods require re shade first?

[stone stump]

no

they require it when they say so

[livid idol]

BRO THIS LETHAL OBSESSION MISSION

are we trying to catch the unabomber or something

dudes got everything rigged lmao

[opaque birch]

yes actually

[livid idol]

holy shit yeah lmao it looks like his set up

[pine reef]

Ted kazynski looking ahh

But yes pretty much

Check your doors

[stone bay]

Ted Kazynski was right

[opaque birch]

no politics plz

[stone bay]

You literate have the communist symbol in your username

[opaque birch]

no politikz plz

[stone bay]

⚡️ ⚡️

;P

[opaque birch]

no dogwhistles plz

[stone bay]

Idk what you’re talking about

[opaque birch]

no politikz plz

[ebon lark]

Quick question: Does shooting bomb vest suspects in the actual bomb trigger it ? I remembered I shot a guy in the chest, but he didn't explode. Just wondering if my instinct to shoot them in the head after that is actually warranted.

[stone stump]

suspects no, civilians yes

[ebon lark]

Well, that's good. I don't like shooting civilians.

[opaque birch]

aim 4 head either way 4 faster kill so they dont blow it up

[ebon lark]

Nah, I like how it feels to rapidly tap suspects. Feels cool.

[opaque birch]

true dat doe

[lilac seal]

are the veterans on brisa cove the only suspects that are immune to bash?

i mean it would make sense

[celest maple]

pretty sure it’s based on Ruby Ridge

[acoustic eagle]

whys the worst map the post office

[shy tulip]

Long lines to send a package

[patent lagoon]

I just realised how much RON has changed since 2021

[stone stump]

did it?

most of the issues from 2021 are still present

[patent lagoon]

I meant in like map changes and stuff

[stone stump]

that did change, yeah

[patent lagoon]

I remember one of the maps had the default dev cubes lol

[stoic hornet]

I’m trying to find a public game, or start one and whenever I try to join one it says that my connection to the host has been lost. And whenever I start one nobody joins, does anybody know how to fix that or is it just bad luck?

[umbral oar]

never pass a chance to shit on the game

[stable kernel]

Turn off checksum in the settings and play unmodded (safe mode or all mods removed) for the best chance at matchmaking. Nothing much else you can do with this game.

[stoic hornet]

Trying it right now

[patent lagoon]

I can't even play online 👍 (my wifi hates steam for some reason)

[earnest quail]

You probably have mods on, turn off server side cheskum, you'll be good then.

[ionic gale]

Hey guys and gals

[earnest quail]

Yo

[tiny storm]

boo

[sudden marsh]

This game makes me doomer sometimes

they ruined what they had ngl, They removed Raid, they removed Hostage, they removed Active Shooter, and they removed Bomb Threat, for "narrative purposes".

[stable kernel]

A lot of the stuff is in the files, but would still need work to re add it to the existing maps

It needs to be from the devs though, since it involves the map files

[sudden marsh]

the thing is, the streamer map, ends up with 7 - 9 suspects total for NO reason, when the briefing alludes that it's going to be just an active shooter.

i never truly got that part

Ready or not.. well i was certainly not ready for the amount of frame drops, crashes, lags, Do enemies reload?
a simple guy in a banadana seems more lenient to tank shots in the neck very easily..

as for the school level it couldve been done better, but theres no sirens, no cops surrounding the school which leads to a
dead atmosphere that is consistent in many maps of RoN

[frail quartz]

They talked in the latest newsletter about adding perimeter cops to the maps

[vernal bane]

Enemies do reload, yes

[humble mauve]

It is alluded to as an active shooting because it's a swatting call, but you stumble upon actual illegal activities

[sudden marsh]

i felt early access was honestly a good product at the time, but more updates came and game got more dumbed down, its so randoma

[vernal bane]

Sometimes it does seem like their mags hold a shit ton though

[frail quartz]

I don't really see how it got more "dumbed down" overtime

[vernal bane]

Felt like 1.0 release AI better than current AI (unpopular view)

[sudden marsh]

theres a long long list of reasons

[vernal bane]

Think suspect AI is too easy now

[frail quartz]

I honestly haven't played enough with the vanilla ai to know

[vernal bane]

I don’t play with SWAT AI

Suspect AI I heard was just hard as balls with insane accuracy and wall bangs

But I liked the difficulty

[sudden marsh]

the maps have more potiential, they need to work on the atmosphere more better on most of them
after they optimize the games performance because its the biggest mess ive seen compared to any other game

[frail quartz]

1.0 moment

[vernal bane]

I’ve seen worse tbh

[frail quartz]

Geez, the launch really did shatter my entire image of them didn't it?

[sudden marsh]

if you tried the game in early access when it was like 30$ 40$ base price, a promising product then it would be understandable
why anyones mad

most of my fun was in Early Access although for a bit cuz i finished all the maps
but i was hyped and excited, then VOID just had to tank the game

[frail quartz]

I DO think its better than early access, it's just still obviously unfinished

If they hadn't advertised it as the offical launch I wouldn't have a problem

[vernal bane]

I think some of the EA stuff they could’ve kept; some things were pretty cool

I liked the Los Suenos map

[sudden marsh]

yeah it feels like a glorified early access update, a glorified beta test

[frail quartz]

That's the best way to describe it

[sudden marsh]

why do alot of modern devs seem like fuck ups ngl

i wonder if VOID is just gonna make a announcement admitting
"sorry we fucked up the dev process and made most of you waste cash because of our mistakes"

[frail quartz]

Do you think this server is ever gonna stop shitting on void now?

[sudden marsh]

i think they will start ganering respect when they get a dedicated technical team

[frail quartz]

But yeah I think this just goes to show that your userbase's trust is the worst thing you can loose 🤷‍♂️

[sudden marsh]

Instead of doing their promises, Void has given the Fans a bad check, a check which has come back marked ‘insufficient funds,’

thats my best metaphor for VOID

[shy tulip]

nupe

I think there are certain players (especially on the forums) that get more fun out of complainin than playing

Then again I'm thankful I'm not on the HD2 team

[foggy zinc]

too real

[sudden marsh]

well sometimes the pressure on VOID is better than none at all, because they are aware of the demand

although it does get tedious

[shy tulip]

Going on the same rant daily does not make developers code faster

Probably just makes management push them for shorter deadlines

I miss the devs hanging out on the NDA Discord

[sudden marsh]

management should make them prioritize their updates better then it would be less rants by anyone

even if they have "that team is working on it while the other works on this" the team should all be prioritizing the bigger issues
before any mini projects, atm they announce lipsyncing? no one wants to hear any news about that when the game is in turmoil.

i think most people just wanna hear any good news for the product they paid for

[shy tulip]

Yeah, cause you can turn multiple departments into one department focused on one issue. The modeling team is for sure gonna fix issues that the sound team can, etc.

It's an announcement showing progress, I think that's all that really matters, I don't want every 2w letter saying "We're fixing things, no new stuff till then." when both can be done

Speaking of I think this week is letter week

[sudden marsh]

the thing is, constant updates and fixes and improvements actually demonstrate transparency and accountability.

VOID isnt really frequent on that

[shy tulip]

That's what actual updates are for, they've already said repeatedly that they're aware of issues and even post them in #❗known-issues-and-fixes, announcements should be reserved for future topics such as the two DLCs confirmed and 1.1 - 1.2

[sudden marsh]

i accidentally said "on" instead of "and" my bad

but The priorities on their end are clear and the PR team doesnt seem to get the notice
about what people actually wanna hear.

there are stuff needed ingame that are not so time consuming that we gotta wait months for it, and yes i know from experience.

[shy tulip]

I think players would prefer larger updates that are tested than smaller updates. Not just cause of the testing part, but because Unreal Engine basically requires you to repack the entire game every time you download an update.

There is endless complaints about downloading a 1gb update and having to repack 56gb.

[vernal bane]

Do we know how much the first DLC’s gonna cost?

[sudden marsh]

theres no statement i think, they only announced they were coming
but to a rough estimation maybe 15$ ballpark range

depends on the actual content tho

[stone stump]

the first DLC cost $80

[shy tulip]

Best I can do is $150

[stone stump]

it was $40

[sudden marsh]

ima look on my receipt, it was def not 40

it was 38.15 so close

damn taxes

but it was like 35.99

[stone stump]

yeah, for a good reason - those modes added very little to the game, didn't fit most of the levels at all and only filled in obvious flaws with the game (limited replayability)

[stone stump]

the price in usd was exactly $39.99

[sudden marsh]

not on my receipt

i think it was on deal at the time, but for a like a small discount

5% off, i remember

[stone stump]

there is a reason - not everything is as it seems

[humble mauve]

yeah it was 40 all through EA not counting sales

[stone stump]

i'm not debunking the price you bought the game for, you said its base price was $30 and it wasn't. that's all

[humble mauve]

actually

think it was 40 even before being on steam too

for standard

[sudden marsh]

they usually gave small as "take it or leave it" deals

for a discount i wouldve expect 20% off atleast

even for 38$ i still practically paid full price

[vernal bane]

Damn

Thats hella expensive

[tiny storm]

not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but it was a swatting most likely and then the police stumbled upon the miners

or servers

[sudden marsh]

it was supporters edition tho, you were forking over dev money essentially

[stone stump]

it wasn't swatting. he called the police and said that he killed someone

[sudden marsh]

wasnt he trying to kill his mother

[tiny storm]

but he didnt kill his mother im pretty sure

shes in the other room adjacent

[stone stump]

that's the point

he wanted to have swat in his home to farm some views

[tiny storm]

which makes me think it was most likely a swatting, but its plauable what you just said. but he has so much illegal shit idk

[stone stump]

live shootout, so cool wow pepega

[tiny storm]

💀

[sudden marsh]

he wanted to get twitch donos

[stone stump]

??????? in what universe would that be considered swatting

he called the police, lied to them to have swat called and waited for them while being armed

there's recording of that during the briefing

[sudden marsh]

swatting is when another party makes up a huge lie, just to send swat to someones home

[tiny storm]

oh

mb 🤷‍♂️

[humble mauve]

it's likely a swatting

[stone stump]

mods spreading misinformation, so real

[humble mauve]

HE HAS LOTS OF VOICELINES BEING SURPRISED/SHOCKED BY SWAT ARRIVING

caps

oops

and also "However, he is unaware that one of his fans has just made a prank call to the police station."

[sudden marsh]

woahh mr mod is getting angsty

[stone stump]

who wouldn't be shocked

[humble mauve]

I would think if he called them himself he wouldn't be surprised by their appearance

[stone stump]

i also tend to shot the cops when i didn't expect them at all

and true, the call was indeed made by someone else, but still his reaction doesn't fit that with the "why is swat at my home, well nevermind i'm gonna kill them"

[shy tulip]

If you read his computer, it'd make all sense

he's got one of thoser "alpha sigma" discord status's

[tiny storm]

i was boutta say why would he do this for publicity?

[shy tulip]

People do more stupid shit for less clout

[tiny storm]

"chasing random woman at night challenge"

[vague sparrow]

yall know where the bombs are in Relapse?

[shy tulip]

Believe they change locations.

[stable kernel]

No, there are two and both are in the top floor of each wing

The bombs are random on elephant

[eternal socket]

i was trying to S rank 23 mbs and one of the guys was holding a civilian at gunpoint. I shot him in the head with a beanbag shotgun but that killed him instantly. What should I have done?

[stable kernel]

Shoot the leg of the suspect (between the civilians legs), or use a grenade

Maybe you can get a shot on the elbow but I think the leg is more stationary

[paper topaz]

I have a weird bug where I can't see whiteboards unless I get VERY close, is this a known bug?

[sudden marsh]

could possibly be, maybe due to FOV since it did mention artifacts acting weird

[paper topaz]

all settings default

[sudden marsh]

then yeah its probably a bug

[paper topaz]

dam

[eternal socket]

is there a way to cancel the restrain animation? i just lost an s rank on elephant because a civ got sprayed while i was restraining them

[paper topaz]

example in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[prisma owl]

Can we get a DLC map or mod map P Diddy lmao call it Vally of puff

His story fits right in the ron universe

[umbral oar]

Decal fade distance?

[misty oyster]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eqLyMtvnbsE&si=LqndO6Ol-NY9KJeZ

[paper topaz]

not just that, #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[umbral oar]

that pc turning off is normal

you see it with the lamps as well

[eternal socket]

i did elephants, defused the bombs, got perfect score for everything, didnt kill a single shooter, and i still get an A+ with no infractions

[split citrus]

Sigh, damn these modded maps man.

Bugs galore Jeeze fuck

[ionic gale]

You collected all of the evidence, right?

[eternal socket]

yes

[ionic gale]

did you also complete all of the soft adjectives that may have been in the level?

[eternal socket]

the only thing i can think of, is that a shooter shot a civvie when i was close

[eternal socket]

are there any in elephant?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, you probably lost that civilian so you did not get a perfect score

[eternal socket]

but i still got save all civilians

the main opbjective

[ionic gale]

I mean, picking up evidence & reporting bodies can be considered soft adjectives

Objectives*

[eternal socket]

got all of them

[ionic gale]

Then it must’ve been that civilian that got whacked

I’m waiting for Shane’s lore video on the elephant map

I mean like this could probably just be a coordinated attack on a school campus and not really that deep but I don’t know I feel like there’s something there

[vernal bane]

Incapped civilians give less points

[copper cypress]

Do you guys think higher cover penetration is better or lower is better?

[ionic gale]

Elaborate?

[short fiber]

why is Steam telling me its going to take 40 hours to install the latest RoN update?

and its using 60% of my CPU the hole time?

not the download, that was a minute or 2, the install

[copper cypress]

???

[short fiber]

nice now its just stuck with no time left

[normal glacier]

When is the update/DLC dropping? I thought it was supposed to be soon ish

[humble mauve]

Roadmap says Spring

[ionic gale]

What do you mean “cover penetration”?

[copper cypress]

Ability to penetrate cover

For example: the AP of a rifle can penetrate a wall, but it is difficult for pistol bullets.

[ionic gale]

Ohhh ok

[ionic gale]

I mean like I think it could be like important

Like, maybe you could just fire a warning shot into the door and hit a suspect to loosen him up a little bit but I’m not sure

[stone bay]

if your gonna shoot through a door I reccomend actually killing them, bec if you shoot them and they aren't dead they are gonna blast you the second you walk through bec they pre aim the door

from personal experience

[ionic gale]

ah oky

[copper cypress]

But what if a hostage is accidentally injured🤣

[ionic gale]

Your honor… in the legal case of Staff Sergeant Bub’s discharge from the LSPD…

My client pleads “oopsie daisy”
when he accidentally killed tje hostage

[stone bay]

does pepper spray increase the chance of a hostile surrendering or is it just for blinding purposes?

[copper cypress]

It's both.

[ionic gale]

I haven’t used the spicy spray in a while

[copper cypress]

However, it is worth noting that the effective distance of pepper spray is very short.

[stone bay]

it just seems every time I use it they just keep shooting lol

[ionic gale]

I’m sure getting sprayed with mace is not fun

[copper cypress]

We already have a better pepper ball launcher to replace it.

[ionic gale]

So they must be ex Navy seal or something to be able to tank CS

[ionic gale]

I mean, I don’t think the pepper spray can run out so that’s like one advantage I guess

[stone bay]

I'm on relapse fighting guys in hoodies I don't think they were navy seals lol

[stone bay]

it can

[ionic gale]

Oh

[stone bay]

yup, mine just ran out

[copper cypress]

It can

[ionic gale]

I guess the only reason to use the pepper spray is for goofs and gaffs then

[stable kernel]

It was infinite in early access, and actually blinded suspects

[stone bay]

and for trying to go for higher ranks

[ionic gale]

Just like engravings to your Glock…

it serves no tactical advantage-

If there was to be a debate between pepper spray, or tasers as a tactical item

Kind of pointless since it’s basically a “pick your poison” situation

[stone bay]

tasers r 100% better

[stable kernel]

The only good use for pepper spray is to force compliance in civs, but they will always comply by the second yell. Just pointless at the moment

[stone bay]

tasers can be really good lol

[ionic gale]

Yeah

I have an assault class that I have an emergency taser just in case

[stone bay]

especially on maps like relapse and voll, bec alot of the suspects don't go down in like 30 seconds but are stunned, so if you can tase them they instantly go down no matter what moral they have

[ionic gale]

Before I used to always deploy it after taking down all of the suspects, To avoid me accidentally tapping civilians with 556

[stone bay]

yeah same

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if it’s just My mouse slipping , but somehow I always have a negligent discharge or something

I was playing sins of the father

I see a civi in a dark room

[stable kernel]

Another thing they took from us: putting guns on safe. Redundant with being in low ready but still a nice thing to have

[ionic gale]

I quickly turned to her and domed her upper head area

The accuracy was also impressive

I had the reflexes of a Delta operator at the wrong time

[stone bay]

I hate that shotguns are to affective bec with ars and smgs there is a chance they will go down after a few shots but with a shotgun its a single shot literally anywhere and they drop dead with a hole in there chest

[ionic gale]

Yeah, they were effective if you just not caring about The lives of the people with guns

Beef, you’re actually trying to go for incapacitating suspects- yeah, I just stick with an AR

I would kind of call myself a shotgun main

[stone bay]

I fucking hate this game

[ionic gale]

So I have like killed a bunch of people ;-:

didn’t really get incapacitated suspects for my shotgun runs

[stone bay]

of course the last fucking suspect dinks me randomly

[ionic gale]

What map?

[stone bay]

relapse

[ionic gale]

Those terrorists have like

[stone bay]

aimbot

[ionic gale]

I don’t know what Super secret, shadow Black market training they got, but it’s like ungodly to the point that it’s irritating

Also, I love how these guys like I aim at my arms most of the time

My arms are always crippled so idk I guess my arms must be made of tungsten to be able to hold my rifle still 😭

[stone bay]

real

[ionic gale]

Also, I don’t know if it’s a glitch, but

Can your head gear like a break or something if it’s shot too many times?

[stone bay]

nup

it just takes dmg

[ionic gale]

My helmet and mask For some reason, it disappears on my paper doll

[stone bay]

does gas mask protect your face at all? Like not as much as the ballistic ofc but at all?

[ionic gale]

Sometimes my armor, so I’m wondering if it’s just a stupid glitch

[ionic gale]

I remember Ryouka’s video On how the face gears actually has some sort of protection

Even if it doesn’t look like they have visible armor

Granted, that video was like a year old, so I don’t know if like it was weirdly patch that only the ballistic mask can offer protection

[umbral oar]

most of that video was and is misinformation

[vernal bane]

It does

Equivalent to tanking 1 headshot

Ballistic mask tanks 5? iirc

Nevermind it tanks 3 hits

[stone bay]

thats it

[vernal bane]

NVGS/Gas/Goggles tank 2

[stone bay]

dude thats ass

[vernal bane]

It’s more complex than that

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/htmlview#

View this for full detail

Will help a lot

Shoutout to MMMM

[solemn cairn]

i mean i personally like how they removed it
ik its less realistic but from a gameplay perspective safe mode literally has no use like just lift your index finger above the mouse or press space

its one less mode to cycle through

[molten finch]

How many shots xome in the gas launcher

[stone bay]

1

I think

that was before 1.0

[molten finch]

Well you can reload it now, ill just test and get back to you

its 4

[lilac seal]

did void say anything about the supporter edition coming back? or no? 🤔

[shy tulip]

It is gone gone

[urban walrus]

It's not coming back, the availability of it has “Concluded” https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/3895114040995152970?l=english

[copper cypress]

Is a difference of 10 points in damage much different?

[shy tulip]

It will keel

[neat beacon]

Does an officer resigning count as "Losing an officer" for The Hermit acheivement? Or is it specically an officer killed?

[shy tulip]

Yes

[neat beacon]

damn that sucks lol

[waxen grove]

Soooo, the seasons have changed its now autumn (spring for the yanks). Does that mean we are not getting any bug fixes?

[stone stump]

"for the yanks"? you sure you didn't mean 90% of the world population?

[waxen grove]

Yeah but it’s easier to say America

[stone stump]

why?

[waxen grove]

Idk

It wasn’t supposed to mean anything other then we are out of winter so is that it for major hot fixes and bugs. The game is a mess, the briefings have been empty and the dlc is right on our door step in the next 2 months

[azure berry]

how can i get my officers mental status back up and also slow its decline?

[waxen grove]

Hell even the sdk that was promised on release so many moons ago has not even been mentioned let alone released

[tacit gull]

That is if they stick to the roadmap which they have a track record of not doing

[tacit gull]

You can press on them to send them to therapy, only way to keep it up is go out of your way to arrest suspects

[stone stump]

you mean the roadmap they never had because of that?

[tacit gull]

do the beta dates that came and went not count?

[stone stump]

we haven't even left the alpha stage yet

[tacit gull]

nah its out of early access big bro

complete product

[waxen grove]

They also have a habit of going radio silent and doing no bug fixes so

Nah this is a glorified beta, EA beta always felt like an alpha build and this now just re enforces that

[stone stump]

technically yes

but...

[tacit gull]

The game was never in beta and it still hasnt graduated alpha state technically

Beta usually means feature complete, which RON definetly is not

[stone bay]

pls tell me you can get S with only 1 suspect killed

[jolly verge]

You cant

[stone bay]

that so stupid

[stone stump]

in programming terms yeah, that's how it works

but when you add marketing to it... i think you get the idea

[tacit gull]

when you add lying to your customers yeah

[stone stump]

virtually everyone does, so it's cool, right?

[tacit gull]

yeah that makes it great

[copper cypress]

Can gas affect anyone through walls?

[jolly verge]

It's can on some walls, but usually not

[copper cypress]

QQ

[misty island]

Nope

[stone bay]

yuh uh

[gloomy isle]

If you’re going for S rank, what I did was go beanbag shotgun, flashes, c2 charges, optiwand, and teammates all pepper guns

[stone bay]

I want to blast ppls chest in with a shotgun but can't if I'm going for S

[gloomy isle]

C2 charge them if they’re against the door. C2 never kills

[misty island]

Then do not go for S... S is not mandatory...

[gloomy isle]

It does make them ragdoll, but they’re alive

[stone bay]

I have no clue if your being serious or not

[misty island]

Or pop a gas grenade right under the door.

[gloomy isle]

I’m very serious

[stone bay]

IDK IF YOUR BEING SRS HERE AS WELL

[misty island]

Try it and see for yourself, smh

[gloomy isle]

If you pop open the door or tell your team to breach and clear, there’s a good chance you or them will get shot

[stone bay]

I've seen C2 kill?

its an achievement isn't it?

[misty island]

Proof, please.

[stone bay]

ig that was before 1.0 tho

[stone bay]

last year

[gloomy isle]

That’s not a kill, it’s an incap, and it’s not even a real incap

[misty island]

No, it is not. Reread the wording in it.

[gloomy isle]

The suspect will get back up

[stone bay]

ooh, mb I 100% thought C2 killed lol

[gloomy isle]

Once you used C2, you realize it’s more situational than you hoped, but still is nice to have on occasion

It’s also super fun

[misty island]

Unless you get a a bouncy door.

[tacit gull]

C2 can kill, it's a gamble if you use it

[gloomy isle]

Use it all the time, never killed anyone

[tacit gull]

Incaps ruin S ranks so its literally the same thing

[misty island]

Lies

[gloomy isle]

Never incap anyone either

It says “DOA” on the suspect, but then they get up

[misty island]

Not lies, but C2 does not incap either.

[tacit gull]

Well that's just wrong, there's an achievement specifically for incapping someone with the C2

[gloomy isle]

I got it, and the suspect got back up

[misty island]

Yes, you drop them with C2 and they get up. Smh

[tacit gull]

No, suspects need to be incapacitated specifically, fake death does not count

[gloomy isle]

They’re not faking death, they got up blown up. Then they get better

[misty island]

Got mine with fake death.

[misty island]

The mechanic is called "faking death".

[gloomy isle]

Faking death is when they get shot, are marked as “dead” and make death sounds on the ground

[tacit gull]

My achievment did not trigger unless i had to report suspect as incapped

[gloomy isle]

C2 is the only time they get marked “DOA”

[tacit gull]

It's the same mechanic

[gloomy isle]

Well, it got me my achievement, so either achievements are broke, not exactly described, or it’s considered different

[tacit gull]

Wouldn't be the first thing thats broken with this game

[gloomy isle]

I wouldn’t call it faking death because suspects consistently get ragdolled by C2. Faking implies suspects intentionally pretend. Faking death otherwise happens randomly

Unless you mean the game is faking their deaths, but really I’m arguing semantics

[tacit gull]

That's just what the mechanic is called, they're supposed to stay down untill out of sight of the SWAT but the mechanic seems fucked and triggers whenever it feels sometimes

[leaden holly]

Bot pathfinding really needs some work, they always get stuck at doors and stuff, spamming Fall in and they just stay in place

[stone vigil]

Hi, what headgear do you suggest I should take for the mission Hide And Seek?

(also not a S attempt or Achievement run)

[ebon lark]

Honestly, flashlight on your rifle is a must 90% of the time

[acoustic ridge]

i always bring flashlight, useful on pretty much all missions

[wide trench]

How long till the whiny AI comes back from therapy

Missions? Damn my guys have 10

Can I just fire them and sign new guys?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just did a couple missions, swapping them out I have guys in therapy and 3 with red level of stress

And the stressed guys are my only 3

[patent lagoon]

"Element to TOC" no response

[acoustic ridge]

just give all your ai beanbags/pepperball and run gas station a few times s rank

[wide trench]

I’ll just do it the old fashioned way and keep them like that, we’ll see if momma raised a quitter

[upbeat heath]

man i hate it when i try to shoot a suspect and the suspect shoots at me but hits the civ behind me

then causes a artery bleeding

[opaque hound]

I hate in general when I get shot

It kinda hurts y'know

[stone bay]

🗣️ “you better check yourself before you wreck yourself
Cause shotgun bullets are bad for yo health”

What is this marvel ass logic

[acoustic ridge]

what doesnt kill you makes you stronger

[ebon lark]

Can't wait until Hans completes his immunity saga up to the .700 Nitro Express 🙏

[royal pier]

RIP hans
whatever the fuck he was born/2024

[ebon lark]

"Who dares, wins"
Hans is SAS confirmed

[stone vigil]

mission done, could've gone with just flashlight ngl

[sour oriole]

hello just wondering if there was any ctsfo or like police groups there is
i am looking to join one of those if someone could help me with that

[stone stump]

#📌unit-promo

[sour oriole]

ahhh thanks mate i appreciate u

anyone got any ctsfo mods and shit?

[molten wren]

I wonder if you could throw around corners one day

[lilac seal]

ah ok 👍

[granite peak]

why hasn’t that wakeupmenonyt guy been banned yet

[stone stump]

because they are on a server they hosted themselves?

[prime wing]

the solution is server browser

as well as banning him from joining your lobbies

[copper cypress]

Are stingers effective against suspects wearing body armor?

[prime wing]

Someone sent a clip of the preacher joining their lobby

it was funny

i need to find it

[merry kindle]

yes

[copper cypress]

Oh~ Ok.

[prime wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921528178789474314/1213686027600789524/Untitled_Project.mp4?ex=66120fb2&is=65ff9ab2&hm=a1ee9ea79e66e43dd103799725dda18d302bc3174077b6732c68103436a8aa29&

funniest clip ever

[sudden marsh]

😂 😭

andrew taronne from swat 4 looking ass

[prime wing]

someone needs to add the mgs spotted sound

[ebon lark]

Oh, I remember seeing someone say "Oh, that's the preacher" in chat a couple of days ago and I was like "Damn, there's community lore now"

That's funny as hell, I wanna see it more

[lavish olive]

Does gunfighter mod work for this current version?

[merry kindle]

It did last I checked

Like a week or two ago

[lavish olive]

bet, ty

[coarse osprey]

does he really just stand there and stream audio 24/7?

[merry kindle]

?

[stone stump]

the preacher

[quartz echo]

any moderaters on? I want to provide & report footage of a discord user saying racist statement & have the user perm ban & removed

[wide trench]

snitches get stitches

[quartz echo]

I do not tolerate racism

[serene musk]

I just beat the fuckin gaem boys time to have fun with mods

[wide trench]

womp womp

[oblique tartan]

I'm just like as long as it isn't harassment don't engage lol

[oblique tartan]

Exactly!

[wide trench]

🗿

[humble mauve]

Message @hollow falcon

[quartz echo]

Roger
Thank you

[acoustic eagle]

holy shit dude dont make pub lobbies if you're just gonna kick anyone who joins

[shy tulip]

Hell Divers 2 moment

[old stag]

Random question, but what font would you say Ready or Not uses or if there's a similar font I could download somewhere

[muted star]

Ron uses rajdhani font IIrc

[shy tulip]

I know someone found the exact name, but it was some obscure word

[opaque birch]

this font goes hard

[old stag]

Thank you! and so quick to the answer as well lol

[hazy spear]

any1 know why i can still spectate after i die?

and its single player

but the bots r literally brainless

can i control them?

[shy tulip]

No, they will go on and finish the mission after you failed to

[hazy spear]

how can i tell them to go faster?

[shy tulip]

They'll do everything on their own, you're dead, you can't do anything but watch

[hazy spear]

now they r stuck looking at a door

how to tell them to breach it?

[shy tulip]

You can't tell them to do anything, if they get stuck (which they can yeah), then they're stuck

[hazy spear]

damn lol

[balmy gate]

ive had my AI teamates walk forever into a wall

[balmy gate]

here is what you should do alt+f4 and restart

[stark horizon]

a civilian on twisted nerve just pulled a gun on me, I shot her hand and got the "rescue all civilians" objective failed. The civi didnt die nor got incapacitated, she just dropped the gun and surrendered. I am quite sure she was a civilian because of the voice lines that were playing and there is no way I hit anyone on the background behind her as she was on the attic on the second house and I was using slugs. Anyone else has had this happen to them?

[balmy gate]

Maybe she bled out

[stark horizon]

she didnt

[shy tulip]

If she pulled a gun, then she wasn't a civilian

[balmy gate]

thats too bad shoot her again for good measure

[stark horizon]

then how did I get that obj failure

[crude prism]

suspect pulled a gun, shot past OP, killed civi behind him for sure

[shy tulip]

Something along those lines

[crude prism]

lul

[shy tulip]

Literally cannot be a civi

[stark horizon]

there are no civis in the attic

I am at the scene rn if you want sharescreen

[balmy gate]

suspect killed a civi while you were not watching

[crude prism]

I hope you've got replays on lul

[stark horizon]

I don't :(

[balmy gate]

I also turn my bodycam off

[stark horizon]

in another part of the map? but why would they open fire on a civi?

[crude prism]

possible they shot through the floor, when you kill suspects, they have a chance to randomly fire again

[stark horizon]

wait wym body cam?

[stark horizon]

she didnt even shoot a bullet

but she dropped a glock

[crude prism]

inb4 some other suspect was randomly taking a hostage somewhere else and then executed them lmao

[stark horizon]

so it wasnt a phone

weird timing tho, ill finish the level and I'll see

NO WAY

she did shoot

she wallbanged a guy through a floor and like 5 walls

thats so stupid why can they penetrate so much

[shy tulip]

Snitches get stitches

[stark horizon]

she was in the attic and he was in another room in the floor below

[opaque birch]

wtf was that 9mm on

[shy tulip]

Coke

[crude prism]

standard american housing

(the floor is drywall too)

[frail quartz]

"Ya'll like asbestos?" - King

[opaque birch]

i fw asbestos

[frail quartz]

Things that can block bullets in this game:

1. Armor
2. Car engines

[crude prism]

3: hands when held in front of the torso/face
4. loaded magazines
5: plot armor

[gloomy isle]

Lost an ironman run on Sins of the Father

Went back in practice and shot them all exclusively in the neck. Felt nice

[acoustic eagle]

things that block your bullets: paper boxes

[hazy spear]

what happened to small maps like hotel bomb defuse fastfood

is there any way i can still play them and with friends

[stone stump]

no

[umbral oar]

wheres the swat lspd od pants buh

[humble mauve]

I think the closest is the uh

The ones on the top with the built in kneepads

forgot what they're named

they have a green that's pretty close for the rolled sleeve variant

[umbral oar]

cerro torre?

[humble mauve]

I think so

[shy tulip]

Hotel is reuploaded on Nexusmods, you can play it with friends if they have it installed (the mod.)

Fast food is not available anymore.

[hazy spear]

i guess the days of 200 suspect minimap rando multiplayer is over rip, all i see are big boring maps

[stable kernel]

Link?

[shy tulip]

it was by Reap

No idea if it is 1.0 ready

[stable kernel]

I thought that was assets, not a map

[shy tulip]

They uploaded the whole map put together with their own lighting and a surprise added mechanic

[earnest phoenix]

i think its unlisted now from nexus

[shy tulip]

Sad

[amber dock]

vegriv doing his magic

[ionic gale]

Helo

[tiny storm]

the suspects

[lost inlet]

aye yo is this released yet?

[amber dock]

Nope

[lost inlet]

fck

the amount of chaos with my mod in that map is crazy

[stray sentinel]

Is there any easy way to clear Greased Palms with AI?

I've had to back out constantly

[acoustic ridge]

do stingers and flashes do the same thing right?
if they do, which is better

[shy tulip]

They both get suspects to comply, they do it through different damage.

Stingers will hit everything, it can even blow open doors, which means it can hit you and stun you. Flashbangs have a smaller radius, but are the flash and the bang.

[stoic vortex]

how to s rank valley of the dolls?

[copper cypress]

Is it possible for Swat Ai to encounter friendly fire situations?

[stoic vortex]

maybe

I armed one of them with a beanbag shotgun

Suspect was infront of me while i was restraining

he shot me in the back of my head with the beanbag and i died

[jolly verge]

swat ai cant headshot you with beanbag, it's will deal only 5 damage, same if you try headshot them too

[stoic vortex]

must've been john wick

[copper cypress]

Is the morale of the four school shooters in Elephant Level high?

[earnest phoenix]

oh my goodness gracious

i missed that map so much

[jolly verge]

Between 0.6 to 0.9, just default values. They stress however is 1 which mean they alerted from the start

[umbral sundial]

Yes lots of people lose their s rank runs to the officers accidentally shooting each other

[sudden marsh]

good fuck cheriyassa farms or whatever the fuck is hard as shit

i run sa-58 and i manage to get hailed with bullets by these karens and die in cover

and not to mention sometimes i spawn and hordes of them come out the front door and im being serious
they fuck up my whole team

[misty island]

One of the most beautiful and balanced map in the game.

[stoic vortex]

they use electronic warfare

(my fps tanked mid combat)

[lone pelican]

Use a shotgun

[sudden marsh]

im using supernova + slug now and holosight, so ill see if it work sout

[ebon lark]

Haven't played that yet, but I think it's a funny, yet scary throught that it's a big map almost entirely indoors, filled with crazy women with shotguns at every corner

[sudden marsh]

ive been on the map for like 3 days aleady

[ebon lark]

Are you playing vanilla AI ?

[sudden marsh]

Modded

[warm orchid]

I'd recommend avoiding the center courtyard area until all surrounding buildings are cleared. Wedge any doors that lead there too. That area is a killzone, so avoid it until last. Also be careful of the church area at the back of the level. The ai can see through the foliage and you cannot. Unfortunately that area is just plainly rough. Either send your Ai squad first, or throw some stingers and flashes and hope for the best.

[sudden marsh]

im an idiot then, cuz i always sent out my AI to courtyard, so yeah ill take a different approach then.

[stone bay]

why do suspects never miss their aim with full auto even tho they are iron sights few meters away

[copper cypress]

SWAT Ai too

[stone bay]

swat ai got worse, theyre getting folded like a lawn chair

hitregs are even a joke

[acoustic ridge]

how should i S rank mindjot facility? gas every room?

[sharp geyser]

gas and wedges

[native rune]

Going out into the wide open areas on any map is an extremely bad idea when it can be avoided, you’re essentially allowing you and your team to be seen and engaged first from as many angles as possible.

[misty island]

There is a guide in Steam for achievement "The Hermit", but it can be used for S rank too. Hmu, if you have trouble finding it.

[obtuse loom]

i took off all ammo of my AI teammates but they still manage to kill me if i shoot civilians?

[opaque birch]

dont shoot civillians then

they punch you to death

[obtuse loom]

but what if i want to just blast some pedophiles

[jolly verge]

you can start solo multiplayer lobby without swat ai

[opaque birch]

you can say the full word but not the abbreviation wow

[obtuse loom]

how?

[jolly verge]

Main menu > multiplayer > friend only lobby

[lone pelican]

Slugs are gay

[sudden marsh]

they are the best especially since when u go chuck norris

buckshots are homoeroticer

[crude prism]

Bro is a snail

[lone pelican]

Buckshot is just the best thing to use on that map

[opaque birch]

why use slugs when you have the sa58 vro.... that is homosexual.... run buckshot

[sudden marsh]

sa-58 isnt the be all end all on cheriyASSa farms

[opaque birch]

cheriyASSa thats a knee slapper ! 🤣

[lone pelican]

Low armor+close quarters=shotguns

[ebon lark]

Just call it Cherry Ass

[sudden marsh]

what makes the "server farm" in 23 MB a second illegal? i thought bitcoin mining was legal

JK im assuming its cuz of cheese pizza?

[stable kernel]

The farm was illegal for avoiding taxes and stealing electricity from nearby units, if nothing else

[livid idol]

so i did a big boo boo

i let group bravo and alpha breach a door in the mission lethal obsession

and uhhhh they all died. do i just solo it or wat

[royal pier]

well what did you learn

[sudden marsh]

die with dignity.

[opaque birch]

solo it vro

and never let the ai do anything ever again

[livid idol]

they blew up into smithereens

and it was literally 2 minutes in lmao

[opaque birch]

peek the door

they died to tripwire

[livid idol]

aaaaaa okay, thats how. the trip wire is INSIDE.

i knew there was something which is why i stepped back and didnt die lmao

[opaque birch]

yes vro

[sudden marsh]

peek the door, look down closely and equip write cutters

[livid idol]

well here we go again

[sharp geyser]

you can give them mirror guns as well if you want to be more careful

[ivory kiln]

what's better slug or buckshot

[opaque birch]

BUCKSHOT AAAAAAAAAAH

[livid idol]

alright there we go, got a A rating.

[opaque birch]

now do nonlethal

[livid idol]

[sudden marsh]

slug, dont let to these heathens

[crude prism]

slug is better for armor/reliable 1 hit downs to center mass, buck is easier to use but not always as reliable for single hit incaps

[livid idol]

OH we spawn outside now?

thats cool

[opaque birch]

shut your mouth slug boy

[ivory kiln]

slug doesn't blow off limbs

lame

[crude prism]

yeh, makes no sense lul

[ivory kiln]

but can buck blow off limbs

[crude prism]

Yeah, but that doesn't really impact gameplay at all

[ivory kiln]

i know i just wanna blow off someone face off

[crude prism]

fair

[livid idol]

ok im doign that terrorirst mission the penthouse one

i lost my first officer to a reasonable situation

RIP HERNANDEZ

shit i killed a civ

I FORGOT TRIP WIRES LMAO

[sudden marsh]

ive played on that map so many times i never saw tripwires

[opaque birch]

yeah it does.

[livid idol]

i peeked a door and it went boom

if i lose a cop is he gone forever?

[sudden marsh]

yeah, but u can easily replace him at no cost

[livid idol]

Rip Hernandez bro was the goat

[sharp geyser]

no, if he's incapacitated he'll be locked for some time, if he's dead, well, he gone

I lost 2 officers on Ides of march but they didn't die, still got The Hermit achievement

[languid glade]

did they fix the massive lag ever since the game officially released

[opaque birch]

yes vro... go play it

[languid glade]

so the game is optimized now?

[opaque birch]

yes totally vro im John "Ready" Or Not go play it

[sudden marsh]

100% no, just play on dx12 to alleviate most of it.

they said the were working on "optimizations"

[opaque birch]

vro the game is optimized... who you gon trust? John "Ready" Or Not or some random? thats right vro...

[stone stump]

dx12 doesn't guarantee anything

[sudden marsh]

it alleviates most of the lag, i never said it guranteed anything

[stone stump]

"alleviates most of the lag" sounds like a guarantee

[sudden marsh]

"make (suffering, deficiency, or a problem) less severe."

[stone stump]

it may do that for you, but not everyone has the same system configuration as you

[opaque birch]

vros.... the game is fixed

[stone stump]

ron will forever be unfixed

[sudden marsh]

but it does for a overwhelming majority, don't know about you

[opaque birch]

but it is fixed

[stone stump]

any source for that claim?

[sudden marsh]

ask anyone who claims the game "runs good" i gurantee they will say dx12