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[stone bay]

team automatically incapacitates them

[manic linden]

i need to arrest him not incapacitate him tho

[stone bay]

but sometimes it fucks up

[stone bay]

S rank is boring anyways and either way the objective gets completed if hes incapacitated

[manic linden]

i agree, but you need to arrest him to get an A

are you sure about incapacitating him? when he got shot but didnt die, ive put cuffs on him and the objective marker was red on the tablet

like in this game, incapacitating someone is basically killing them

in the context of objective/points. ofc, they get up sometimes and shoot you

[stone bay]

maybe it was an artery hit

[manic linden]

nah no blood

thats the only difference between killing and incapacitating. pool of blood haha

[stone bay]

was there any pools of blood near brixley though

[manic linden]

dunno brother

[stone bay]

his body probably got moved

[manic linden]

we'll see. ill try to shoot him so he doesnt die, put cuffs and we'll see if i get the obj

but anyways, going back to my question. so there isnt a way?

unless i only put non lethal weapons on my team i guess

[bitter mason]

Incaps count towards objective arrests. Sometimes if you hit an artery though they can bleed out while down

[manic linden]

just weird it happened each time. i just assumed incapacitating means killing in this game

[bitter mason]

Except on ides of march i think

[zealous mantle]

I dont remember any suspects getting up after being incapaciated and cuffed

Like it used to happen bedore 1.0

[bitter mason]

It might be a bit finicky idk. You cant really get your team not to shoot them
I dont even think it should be a mandatory objective to take them alive if they shoot at you

[manic linden]

thought that was the point of the game

like, suspects pretending to be civvies, or getting up and shooting you if u dont cuff them. thats why you can cuff dead bodies

[bitter mason]

They never got back up after an incap
They get up sometimes when theyre “dead” because they fake it, but faking death was added before incaps were

[manic linden]

oh u mean after cuffed. no never to me. im saying after incapacitated

[zealous mantle]

I remember playing last year, sometimes id cuff an incapaciated suspect after shooting him and he'd get up on his knees

[manic linden]

ohh never seen that no

[zealous mantle]

Then he would count as alive

Instead of incapacuated

[bitter mason]

Yeah thats faking death
I dont think they can fake an incap

[manic linden]

well it looks the same doesnt it

[zealous mantle]

Idk, i'd shoot them, they fall down, i report them as incap and after cuffing they get up

Then i report them as one in custody

Could be the faking thingy tho

[bitter mason]

Weird ive never had that happen
For me if theyre incapped theyre incapped
But they can fake their deaths

[zealous mantle]

@manic linden also you can just change AIs weapons to non lethal

But make sure to swap their pistols for tasers as well, instead they just take out the pistol and bang bang

[bitter mason]

With a lot of the map layouts and current ai
Its usually better to take point and throw the grenades yourself

[zealous mantle]

I meant the beanbag/pepperball guns

[bitter mason]

Stacking on a door can lead to swat shooting suspects before a grenade goes off cause they like to lean around the doorway which is really dumb

[zealous mantle]

As far as grenades go, gas is the best for clearing id say

[manic linden]

the whole thing is so fun and fucking annoying at the same time. like there should be more commands

[stone bay]

lol just found out there are certain objects spread across some levels that can be shot and explode

[solid citrus]

hi im thinking about buying this game since it looks good and fun but i was wondering how often the game goes into a sale and how big are the sales typically?

also how good specs do you need to run it well?

[ruby blaze]

Yes, gun system is alot better the only thing that is better in zero hour is the running system

[upbeat wadi]

they just had a big sale before dropping 1.0 so i don't think it's happening anytime before the summer sale

[copper cypress]

If this game had EOD armor, would you all use it?

[stone bay]

it would make CQB very difficult, so no

[copper cypress]

What if it prevented you from being blown up by a trap?

[stone bay]

in order to prevent that, I'd just have to be less clumsy

[copper cypress]

Makes sense 🤔

[balmy locust]

This happened to me before the 1.0 release

They’d be dead then just magically awaken

[tacit gull]

They still do that, there's an achievement for it

[balmy locust]

Not when cuffed

Or atleast they shouldn’t

[tacit gull]

They do

It's a very weird mechanic that is in complete conflict with the concept of incaps

But suspects "fake dead" instead of "being unconscious" like any normal person would put it

[halcyon otter]

faking dead isn't the same as being unconscious tho

when a suspect is faking dead it means they're actively conscious and are pretending to be dead to let the police turn around so then can shoot them

[tacit gull]

Well i dunno about that since i've had about 0 instances where they got up behind me instead of in front of me

It's just a very stupid way to name and design the mechanic considering we have a functional incap state that would make a lot more sense to have suspects get up from

[hardy plinth]

Does this mean incapacitated suspects cannot get up?

[summer copper]

yes

[hardy plinth]

but they can when you can report them as dead?

[summer copper]

incapacitated or dead suspects are down and will stay down

unless they are faking it, then they can get back up

[undone plank]

when they are dead

[summer copper]

if they die after like 1 shot to centre mass then restrain them immediately as they could be faking it and get back up after you look away

you can report them as dead but if they get back up when you restrain them then i think he counts as an alive arrest

[hardy plinth]

But when someone is faking his death and I stand over the body, what does the prompt say?

Dead?

[summer copper]

it should say report as dead

[undone plank]

ye, dead

[hardy plinth]

Oooh so there's no giveaway

[summer copper]

yup

[undone plank]

correct

[hardy plinth]

Even if they're laying in a pool of blood they can still get up and shoot back?

[stone bay]

What is the 3rd soft objective in megabytes? What am I missing?

I got the server farm on the first floor, the PC on the 3rd

[summer copper]

yeah

[undone plank]

but never should centre mass, either go for the head if you want kills, or go for the arteries in the legs and hips

[summer copper]

look in the guys bedside cabinet drawer

[summer copper]

always shoot centre mass... so that you hit them...

[stone bay]

kk

[hardy plinth]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3113593191
Porn magazines, harddrives and cryptofarms

Lol did that p word get banned because there was an o at the end?

[summer copper]

not quite but close enough

[undone plank]

in most maps the hostiles have armor, which stops bullets shot centre mass

[summer copper]

yeah it did lmfao, makes sense

[stone bay]

I was watching that, I like how the auto mod deleted you but not the last post lolol

[summer copper]

not if it's armour piercing like you should be using

[undone plank]

Ive had issues with the overpen of AP

[stone bay]

Well, you still gotta use it

It literally fixes your problem, just control your aim

Hollow points arn't good for armor

[summer copper]

check your fire, i've never had an issue with penetration

lol did i really just say that

[stone bay]

[undone plank]

If I shoot a hostile with AP centre mass, I sometimes hit a civ right behind it

[hardy plinth]

Just use beanbag shotgun, doesn't give a fuck about armor smh

[stone bay]

lolol

[undone plank]

too lazy to s rank all the maps

[hardy plinth]

It's fun though (usually)

[summer copper]

beanbag shotgun is, in relation to mission score, the unequivocal best gun

[hardy plinth]

But how many would fall in that rank

[summer copper]

i'm not, if you couldn't tell

[undone plank]

mmh

[hardy plinth]

almost every other gun would fall last place

[summer copper]

pretty much

[hardy plinth]

I've been using the pepperball launcher, it's nice as a client in multiplayer because the netcode of his game is sticks and stones

[summer copper]

i use gas nades so that i don't have to use the VKS

[hardy plinth]

The beanbag shotgun and especially tasers can become borderline unusable

[hardy plinth]

just use both and exterminate the entire building

also the VKS has an infinite ammo glitch lol

[summer copper]

i'm a swat officer, not a bug exterminator

[hardy plinth]

It's not even cheating because I would have to go out of my way to prevent it from happening

A tactical reload just refils my mag

Empty reload wastes it however

[summer copper]

bro has the action movie gun

[stone bay]

💀

[hardy plinth]

honestly if it didn't have this glitch I may not use it at all

Otherwise it's so ammo hungry because you have to hit enemies so many times

Especially if you want to hit them indirectly by spamming the environment around them

I don't get why anyone would want to use the pepperball smg

[hearty parrot]

I'm done being Mr nice cop

The only thing these suspects will feel is a nice 5.7 round going straight into their lung

[hardy plinth]

Now replay every mission with just a revolver

[summer copper]

if only the five seven wasn't a pea shooter

[hardy plinth]

Isn't the fiveseven like

objectively the best handgun?

[summer copper]

people say that cuz it's a 20 round mag

[hardy plinth]

Also because it penetrates up to level 3 armor.

[summer copper]

i use USP45, i tried the five seven over and over and the ttk is too long

[vestal mauve]

Beat handgun is revolver

[summer copper]

real

suspects can't be scared of going to jail when a .357 tears through their skulls

[vestal mauve]

We still need a 44 Mag tho

[hardy plinth]

Until you need to put an entire mag into someone with heavy armor

[fallow sage]

truth be told it's the best handgun in the game , but .45 ACP handguns are pretty good too if you can hit your shots

[fallow sage]

Me with a 7.62:

[hardy plinth]

UCP could be the best gun in the first half of the game maybe

[vestal mauve]

The two handguns I want: 44 magnum and TTI pit viper

[hardy plinth]

but beyond that it's probably better to have to shoot low armored enemies 3 times instead of 2, than having to hit l3 armor enemies 9 times

[vestal mauve]

Honestly the handguns are mostly for roleplaying at this point

I like the Beretta cuz I owned one, and the 1911 for style points

[daring flame]

beretta looks cool in this game but its not impactful enough

[hardy plinth]

@crude prism the spreadsheet says 9mm and 10mm JHP is better at penetrating l3 and l4 armor than AP, chat is this true?

[stable lagoon]

Has anyone noticed that one of the SMGs near the bottom of the list shoots low?

[jolly verge]

where does it says in table?

[fallow sage]

shot placement issue?

[hardy plinth]

pistol/smg dmg

[stable lagoon]

Nope. Tested it on targets in the firing range. It shoots low.

[fallow sage]

I p much use it exclusively as a backup if my SLR runs out

[hardy plinth]

https://imgur.com/a/Ofj8qRH

[jolly verge]

and what is wrong?

[summer copper]

my SA-58 one taps everyone to the point of never needing the handgun

[stable lagoon]

The SPC-9 shoots low.

[fallow sage]

Same lmao

[stable lagoon]

The shots will land way below the sights.

[fallow sage]

it's just there if I make a mistake

[summer copper]

from what distance

[hardy plinth]

That against l3a and l4a, AP requires more shots to kill, despite being armor-penetrating

[summer copper]

the sight is higher than the barrel

[vestal mauve]

F90 gang

[fallow sage]

have you heard of the dissonance between the sight picture and the barrel?

[stable lagoon]

Whatever the max distance target in the firing range is.

[fallow sage]

What you see is not what you get

yeah definitely skill issue lmao

[summer copper]

the bullets do not come out of the sight

[jolly verge]

it's because of base damage

[hardy plinth]

I think it's called height over bore ☝️ 🤓

[summer copper]

it's not a skill issue, just like real life

[vestal mauve]

Height over bore

[jolly verge]

armor dont fully stop damage, it's reduce it, and jhp have more damage than ap

[stable lagoon]

Can you not zero a sight to make up that difference?

[fallow sage]

I forgor 😭

look I always go canted anyway fuck that sight pic xd

[summer copper]

nah, besides it's largely dependant on distance, and you should be aiming for centre mass anyway

[hardy plinth]

Hmmm I suppose that makes sense from a video game perspective

I don't think it would be realistic though

[stable lagoon]

Hmmm.

[jolly verge]

it's just how armor math work

[fallow sage]

bro...

[hardy plinth]

I feel like hollow-point is always gonna have a harder time penetrating armor

[celest moss]

dont click

[hardy plinth]

real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mods can you claim this gift?

[fallow sage]

then how tf can I one shot people with a JHP round in my HK416 xd

[stable lagoon]

<@&925148041126760529>

[summer copper]

mods can you claim the very real $50 steam gift that this gentleman has laid out

[stable lagoon]

Got a totally legit link that needs nuking.

[hardy plinth]

we want to repay you mods for your moderation efforts

[fallow sage]

Deploying Chemlight

[hardy plinth]

@short venture we love you

we want you to have a look at this

[celest moss]

cp

[frail quartz]

When I opened this my bank account was instantly drained and all of the electronics in my house have now become sentient and blood thirsty, is that supposed to happen?
||totally not a repost from #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art||

[summer copper]

ready or not lore

[fallow sage]

I don't think that's possible in game yet + Can you even zero a red dot lol

[hardy plinth]

Mod claimed the 50$

[celest moss]

uhhhh toc we got a sus link

[hardy plinth]

I wonder what they will buy

[stable lagoon]

I just meant in general.

[hardy plinth]

This is toc

Bans are inbound

let's wash up and let em hang to dry

or something like that

[frail quartz]

Doesn't height over bore only come into play when you're like, point blank distance away from a target?

[coarse osprey]

yes 🙂 sorry folks

[summer copper]

i guess not since it moves relative to where you're looking

[hardy plinth]

Depends, sometimes the sight points a little downward so at a certain distance, the shot ligns up, but pas that distance you will shoot too high

I'm guessing in this game your sight just aims completely forward and so does your barrel

[summer copper]

put em on safe and let em hang

[stable lagoon]

Lewd

[hardy plinth]

So while over long distance this height over barrel distace seems to be smaller, it's still just as significant as your target also appears smaller

[frail quartz]

If that's how it works in real life, then why would anyone even bother using holosights if you can't even trust it to shoot straight before and after a certain distance

[fallow sage]

bro...

Guys I think the streamer escaped jail

[stable lagoon]

I wish I could make money by being a freak on the internet.

Instead I'm stuck doing it for free.

[hardy plinth]

Your viewpoint will always be higher than the barrel, since you shoot out of the barrel and not out of your eyes the shot will always land lower than where you're looking, if the sight points at the same forward angle as the barrel

[fallow sage]

POV Counter Strike players when they're dead staring at the guy to kill them:

[zealous mantle]

Glad im not the only one

[frail quartz]

The plea deal just gave him probation

[hardy plinth]

yeah this is actually a mechanic that is unique in video games and ready or not does realistically

[fallow sage]

Reflex sights and RDS can't be zeroed since they're technically already in the best spot based on the range of the gun, if you're aiming a little closer, offset it by aiming higher

or go canted and use laser/fl/ir

same goes with every sight in the game really

This isn't COD, your shots are coming from the gun, not from your eyes

[copper cypress]

If I attack a suspect wearing a medium bulletproof vest with a weapon that can only penetrate a light bulletproof vest at most, will he be injured? If hit on the chest, there will be no penetration.

[stable lagoon]

It's just odd to me that the only gun I've noticed significant disparity on sight picture to shot placement is the SPC-9

Every other gun works as I'd expect.

[hardy plinth]

That could be if the sight is placed very high

[fallow sage]

Ah fuck it I'll test it right now

I'm supposed to be sleeping at this hour

[stable lagoon]

Go to bed then!

[hardy plinth]

I think this also messes with your accuracy when you're leaning
When you shoot lower than you aim that's no problem vertically because you'll just hit a lower part of the chest, but when you're leaning your lower shot could just land completely beside the enemy

[fallow sage]

if you hit them in the chest with JHP, depending on the round, that will injure them enough for submission

though in RoN you have a 50/50 chance to one shot someone with a 5.56, especially with the funny HK416 damage

[crude prism]

Because the durability damage from .45 AP is so bad, you end up dealing almost their entire health as blunt damage before breaking the vest.

90 * 0.2 = 18.
18 damage and 8 hits absorbed before the 9th breaks L3A.

18 * 8 = 144 of 160 health lost, and the 9th shot breaks + downs.

.45 JHP does 100 * 0.2 = 20 damage per shot and would take 17 hits to break the vest.
20 * 8 = 160 damage, so they blunt damage to death before the vest is destroyed

[hardy plinth]

If you hit him often enough then I'm pretty sure he'll die

but it may take like 8-10 shots

[fallow sage]

@stable lagoon what is your SPC's setup so I can better test

[copper cypress]

Oh~ Good thing for me.

[hardy plinth]

Oh interesting, so it's not that the JHP does more damage but rather that it does enough damage after the armor breaks to finish the enemy

[stable lagoon]

Irons, supressor with muzzle velocity increase and combat grip I think.

[copper cypress]

I'm going to adjust my pistol.

[fallow sage]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[crude prism]

It's basically a perfect scenario where the 10 extra damage from JHP perfectly hits the HP threshold before AP will, BECAUSE the armor breaking on both .45 ammo types is awful

[fallow sage]

looks zeroed properly to me

[stable lagoon]

Huh.

I'll test again later when I get back from my meeting.

[hardy plinth]

But I suppose that's already rare since with 9 shots you're bound to hit their limbs or head at some point

[crude prism]

pretty much yeah lol

[hardy plinth]

It would just be more viable anyway

[bitter mason]

WOW I wish I recorded that
On 23MB, dude sprints down the stairs and around the corner on the fire exit and shoots me point blank with a shotgun instantly

like not even a minute into the damn level

[stable lagoon]

He wasn't playing your game this time. He had places to be.

[bitter mason]

and friggin replays disable each time you launch so that is now lost to time

fucking hell thats probably the worst I've had it.
AND I have an ai mod

[fallow sage]

tested with your setup: #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[stable lagoon]

Are you aiming with the tip of the post?

[fallow sage]

uh yes

[stable lagoon]

Okay same. When I was using it the other day it was hitting at the very bottom of the post.

Like I said, I'll test again later. Maybe something was bugged or the game hates my weird monitor resolution.

[fallow sage]

lmao

anyways my testing is done, I shall now eepy

[stable lagoon]

Sleep well.

[crude prism]

I want to say that the SPC has fucked up height-over-bore calc, but I haven't actually tested it in a while

[fallow sage]

yeah you need to aim a little higher in iron

kinda weird I have to do that but not on the EOTech lmao

[frail quartz]

So whatever you're aiming at is just completely obstructed by the weapon?

[fallow sage]

does this mean the EOTech is meta !?!??!!?!1

[crude prism]

does the SPC use irons from another weapon? that could be the reason, as the height-over-bore calc is related to the sights and not the weapon itself

[fallow sage]

pretty much

[stable lagoon]

It's the diamond sight.

[fallow sage]

then again don't trust me too much I literally run a 7.62 in every mission lmao

[hardy plinth]

Are the zoomed-in scopes in this fucked or is it just me

[stable lagoon]

Oh that brings another thing, why can you not adjust magnification?

[hardy plinth]

Maybe they just want it to be realistic where you don't press your entire face up against the scope, but it's so small it's hard to hit anything at all

[hardy plinth]

There's also very rarely a reason to ever need a zoomed in scope

[crude prism]

because they're still figuring out how to get the scopes centered

the 4x literally shoots high and to the left of the reticle

[fallow sage]

I mean the SPC has quite a personality with its recoil, so maybe the small sight isn't that bad

[hardy plinth]

idk, the small scope image makes it so that with the slightest movement, the entire image has changed

and then when it also decreases ADS speed I don't see any advantage to it

[crude prism]

the real disadvantage to the scopes is not the awkwardness of CQC or ADS speed, it's that by aiming you lose 50% of your fps

[fallow sage]

wdym its a feature

[daring flame]

it doesnt

you can test sight over bore in game

[crude prism]

he's saying there's no zeroing

so you'll never intersect

[daring flame]

?

[crude prism]

not height over bore

[daring flame]

what do you mean intersect

[hardy plinth]

It makes everything move in slow-motion, less fps means more time to aim/frame

[bitter mason]

fsr the twisted nerve tac map drops my frames to like 14 lol

[daring flame]

what the hell kind of pcs do you guys have

[hardy plinth]

By the way, turn light bouncing off

[bitter mason]

I can run the game fine, its just the game is a total mess haha

[daring flame]

what do you mean its a mess bro its 1.0 release

[hardy plinth]

there was another box there you could tick off

[bitter mason]

[hardy plinth]

if you do it you get a ton of extra frames

like 20fps more for me

[bitter mason]

I usually keep bounce lighting on cause its kinda useful

[hardy plinth]

to be fair the last hotfix made performance a lot better

[stable lagoon]

The only map I've had any specific FPS issues with is the lady cult.

[daring flame]

why would u turn light bouncing off? light bouncing means more fps bouncing around

[bitter mason]

yeah definitely runs better after last hotfix

still a few hiccups but not neaaarly as many

[stable lagoon]

The bee room and the greenhouses at the lady cult compound hit my frames for some reason.

[hardy plinth]

The headcam also kills a lot of frames

[daring flame]

well yeah..

janky ass headcam isnt even 60fps and it kills frames

[bitter mason]

pip moment

its why we get no working mirrors

[crude prism]

if you've ever played a game with zeroing you know that zeroing tilts the sight down and barrel up in order to 'lob' shots so that they intersect with the reticle at the zeroed distance

[pine jacinth]

whenever i try join my friends multiplayer it says "pak checksum mismatch" (server requires you to be running the same mods)" but we both uninstalled every mod? what do i do?

[fallow sage]

Meanwhile Source 2 engine giving away PIP like it's christmas with zero performance penalties

[bitter mason]

magic

[crude prism]

I would verify that you guys uninstalled the mods. You have to remove them from your files manually. Pressing unsubscribe does not work

[pine jacinth]

ok thanks

[crude prism]

Alternatively just disable the "checksum" setting

[timber mesa]

this is the first thing to make sure to try @pine jacinth

[pine jacinth]

where do i do that

nevermind ive done it

[manic linden]

why is there no fucking restart button

in commander mode

[upbeat wadi]

commander mode is garbage in general right now, just say no

[daring flame]

1.0 release

[manic linden]

thats no excuse

[daring flame]

yeah i know thats why i said it

[pine jacinth]

thank you guys it worked

i appreciate your help

[manic linden]

i guess its just that and practice mode right ?

[daring flame]

or just dont die

[upbeat wadi]

practice mode is literally just single player campaign without the stress mechanic

[crude prism]

[upbeat wadi]

i dont know why they named it that

[crude prism]

and traits, but ye

[daring flame]

no real difference in between them besides one punishing you for failing a mission

[manic linden]

its not that. its also just getting s rating

can u get achievements in practice mode? like the "story ones" ?

[crude prism]

ye

well not the two "ironman" ones, those are explicitly commander mode

[daring flame]

nice so commander mode is useless

since there's no actual story to progress

[manic linden]

oh wow even fucking mission progress carries over between the 2?

[crude prism]

commander mode is basically about the traits/stress system

you can't use practice to advance commander mode

[pearl shuttle]

arent they still borked

[daring flame]

which has no affect on gameplay

[manic linden]

so how do i unlock missions then ?

[crude prism]

only kinda, they still work, just not when they're supposed to lul

[daring flame]

do commander mode, dont die

[manic linden]

so its not fucking useless then xd

[crude prism]

the traits are pretty impactful imo, but you basically have to metagame to know the actual effects, as the vague descriptions are hard to tell what's actually going on

[daring flame]

hey language

[daring flame]

beat the game without paying attention to them

what sort of impact do they bring

[crude prism]

and? it doesn't change the fact that they're pretty strong buffs

[pearl shuttle]

your average ron poster is very dumb sorry

you still have people complaining about aimbot ai even after they got nerfed to oblivion

[daring flame]

Veteran - increases team performance

Paramedic- saves the life of a downed officer

Nutritionist - improves team health

Moral something (I forgot) - decreases stress when detaining a suspect alive

Pacifier - increases chance for suspects to surrender when using non lethal

Riot control - increases duration of stuns

I forgot the name again - decreases overall stress

Kicker - kicking down doors is successful the 1st time

Armorer - armor is increased

Negotiator - suspects more likely to surrender when yelling for compliance

[crude prism]

oh shush, not everyone has read the "super metagame trait min-maxer guide 9000"

(not u genome)

[daring flame]

yes im dumb for not reading traits that havent impacted MY game experience

[pearl shuttle]

thanks for agreeing

[daring flame]

not hard to agree with simple minded people

[pearl shuttle]

such as yourself

[daring flame]

now you're being childish

[pearl shuttle]

deal with it

[daring flame]

let's keep this discussion about the game

[crude prism]

having a single armorer and nutritionist will drastically increase your survivability

[daring flame]

is there a percentage value known of what it increases it by

like 10% more armor?

[crude prism]

if only it was that easy

[daring flame]

the values have to be somewhere

[pearl shuttle]

do the traits still not work if they're unlocked

[crude prism]

1 nutritionist is an extra 25% health for you and the SWAT AI

armorer raises durability of helmets & armor by 50% (this only affects Ceramic body armor, and all helmet options)
armorer also raises damage reduction of armor by 5% (this affects Ceramic/Steel/Kevlar)

[daring flame]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3118547658

found it

[crude prism]

correct

[daring flame]

why would they make it so it only affects one body armor

[pearl shuttle]

Only ceramic has durability

[crude prism]

ye

[daring flame]

where the hell is armor durability at

[pearl shuttle]

On the paper doll player model

[daring flame]

oh i thought that was health

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah it's kinda shit and not very clear

[crude prism]

the paperdoll shows armor status + limb status + health

[summer copper]

holy moly another argument lol

[daring flame]

were you.. ready or not

[crude prism]

the outline of the paperdoll is your actual health, the limbs show their individual hits, and then the helmet/body armor icon show whether or not your armor is destroyed

[pearl shuttle]

I wasn't ready (for RoN to be a good game)

[daring flame]

[crude prism]

For helmets, they disappear from the model, and while wearing ceramic armor, the paperdoll armor will turn red when destroyed

[pearl shuttle]

oh ffs is it really the outline lmao

[crude prism]

Yeah only the outline matters for your actual health remaining

[daring flame]

someone needs to add a health overlay onto suspects

turn this game into an mmo

[pearl shuttle]

Looter shooter

[crude prism]

RoN extraction shooter real

[frail quartz]

Don't forget the minus numbers of how much damage you delt that jump out from them

[crude prism]

the massive 9 digit decimals that come out would take up the entire screen

[daring flame]

suspect crit damage for 999999 hp

[crude prism]

beanbag moment

[frail quartz]

Make it so that you have to roll a dice everytime you shoot a suspect determining how much damage the hit delt

[crude prism]

as if we're not doing that already

[frail quartz]

Rolling a 1 will instantly cause the bullet to reverse and hit you instead

[daring flame]

beanbag richochet

[pearl shuttle]

Guy who thinks the ballistics are bad because they're hitscan

[bitter mason]

crazy that even after the hotfixes it still shows the version number at the top like its still early access..... oh wait

[abstract bough]

happens to all the guns a little, but not that big of a deal

[crude prism]

no please... the hitreg is already janky enough... I don't need travel time on all my pistol calibers...

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah I'm just kidding don't worry lmao

[daring flame]

what do you mean bro are you saying they dont clean up the game like leaving old code in files

[frail quartz]

Considering how close the engagements are, the difference between hitscan and projectile would basically be negligible wouldn't it?

[pearl shuttle]

Definitely

I think Far Cry 4 had janky hitscan bullet drop which is whack

[crude prism]

adding actual projectiles would basically be another nerf to pistols/SMGs which are already bad enough

[frail quartz]

Pistol calibers don't travel that slow, do they?

[pearl shuttle]

I know how to buff the MP5: just add a campaign set in 1999

[formal steeple]

Hi! Does anyone do Trailer videos? I'm putting my Portfolio9 for Level Design together

[daring flame]

most are around 800-1100fps

i think

[frail quartz]

ROE is nonexistent because bodycams didn't exist yet

[pearl shuttle]

Yeah I find it hard to justify using an SMG in this game

[crude prism]

most (a lot of) .45 and 9mm loads are subsonic

[formal steeple]

Ready or Sick? Rain Day

Pun on... R6 Rogue Spear, idk

[manic linden]

speaking of bodycams. their update to block 30% of the screen with ps1 texture is pissing me the f off

[frail quartz]

So would that make a difference in CQB or would it not?

[pearl shuttle]

The MP5 was overpowered in the old Red Storm Tom Clancy games lmao

[crude prism]

once the strafing gunfights start, you would have to be leading people in basically any outside engagement on the larger maps

[daring flame]

in cqb no

[formal steeple]

always OSOK

[daring flame]

if it was at a distance of 20-30m it would matter some

[pearl shuttle]

Feel like Port would be the only map where it matters

[daring flame]

yeah

[formal steeple]

yeah they were cool about ammo type to a point, true

[pearl shuttle]

Port is too big anyways, bring back old Port

[manic linden]

just carry short ak on all missions. best weapon in the game

[crude prism]

bring back both old ports, those maps were gud

[formal steeple]

Does the new Port have nudity with the slave charcters or something?

[pearl shuttle]

Might run light armor with front steel only

[frail quartz]

I know they did before

[daring flame]

one of the maps has nudity

[formal steeple]

i'm not even sure why maps were pulled, i think upgrades?

[daring flame]

they said it didnt align with the game or something

[crude prism]

it's only fair, Gerard swings his dick around on Lethal Obsession

[pearl shuttle]

Neon Tomb has those waitresses with big asses

[formal steeple]

oh, yeah their chronology is the Campaign

[daring flame]

the campaign tm coming in ready or not 2.0 tm

[upbeat wadi]

yes, except for your cpu

[pearl shuttle]

DLC is set in Ohio

[frail quartz]

The game already has hitscan projectiles with beanbags and pepperballs, I don't think the FPS would be that big of an issue

[upbeat wadi]

now imagine it calculating every single bullet's trajectory in a firefight with even 3 suspects

[formal steeple]

I wish MetaHuman could be used to rig and animate Custom World Building, that'd be amazing

[crude prism]

Funny enough the systems are already in place for them to switch off of hitscan, but I doubt it'll ever happen

[frail quartz]

I really don't see how that would be costly on the preformance in the slightest

[upbeat wadi]

you clearly havent played a game like rs2 on a subpar rig then

[frail quartz]

Assuming they even have bulletdrop

[daring flame]

juggle a ball then throw in 2 more see how that works

[crude prism]

It's just extra computer load for little to no gain

[upbeat wadi]

exactly

[pearl shuttle]

Muh realism and shit

[upbeat wadi]

not like the game runs very smoothly as is anyway

[formal steeple]

I think this game has some bullet drop at normal distances for SMG's at least. Tested in sub-1.0 on Arctic Base I

i can't really go after the sniper in the newest release.

[daring flame]

did you try shooting him

[pearl shuttle]

Maybe the hitscan just disappears after a certain distance

[crude prism]

there is damage falloff at range, but nothing messes with your trajectory

[formal steeple]

i haven't had time to try shooting at him, except the distance makes him a bit spongy.

Right

[upbeat wadi]

i was shooting at a guy in port from the top of that tower (he was on the ground) and i definitely didn't notice any bullet drop

[frail quartz]

Either way I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable about optimization, but I still don't understand how calculating a projectile bullet is any different from calculating a hitscan one, it's just that one is instantaneous and one has travel time

[daring flame]

distance wouldnt decrease damage

[formal steeple]

It might be spongey falloff that fakes drop

[daring flame]

how far is the sniper?

[formal steeple]

about 125m

[daring flame]

like 100m?

yeah the bullet probably drops a bit

[crude prism]

the game has to load the projectile, and then perform math on it the whole time as it goes, keeping track of location, current velocity, and then subtracting the drag from it as it moves

[daring flame]

considering its an smg

[formal steeple]

P90

[pearl shuttle]

Hitscans are just raycasts right

[frail quartz]

Fair enough

[formal steeple]

even worse thn MP5

[upbeat wadi]

basically

it means the bullet reaches its destination at the same time it's fired

[daring flame]

pistol rounds have dropoff around 45m so shooting him at 125m would have considerable dropoff

just use a rifle at that range

[upbeat wadi]

games have been simulating bullet drop since forever though, way before any games that treated bullets as physics objects

[formal steeple]

yeah. I won't argue the authenticity i'm recalling how far the shooting was and ppl can tell it's a smaller weapon round.

[daring flame]

smgs are mainly for cqb

[formal steeple]

yup. I know all this stuff but the UI isn't letting me save my own Default, So idk

[daring flame]

it should be able to

it creates another preset under the default one

[formal steeple]

i wonder if G18C is in here, it's in the DatTbles, but haven't used a atuo pistol in this game.

cuz i'd bring that and an HK416

[upbeat wadi]

i think only the g18 in gunfighter has full auto

[formal steeple]

Ok, ty

[upbeat wadi]

vanilla one doesn't

[formal steeple]

Oh

[daring flame]

i have gunfighter i dont have a full auto g18

[upbeat wadi]

you should

[formal steeple]

it's specifically G18C

[daring flame]

is it the simunition one?

cause theres the regular glock and a sim one

[formal steeple]

not sure, I'm a Map Modder, overridden a weapon and seen the G18C as an Option for sus... #1106248979206897754 message

[daring flame]

just chcked its only single fire

[upbeat wadi]

then sniper or not

those are the only two mods i have and i have the full auto g18

[strange bay]

POV: Post office ended your ironman run for the 2nd time in a row 😭

[formal steeple]

A big reason why i came in this discord is to find a Trailer artist too... The Video on Nexus is like 2 updates Old... The Final Sus/ Civ Selection makes sense and randomly replaces same type, the new template is great... But how to make Secondary Obj. work.

[upbeat wadi]

i mean you still got sins of the fathers and neon after that, don't assume you would have beaten the whole thing otherwise

[strange bay]

I´ve completed ironman before, just not without any deaths.

[daring flame]

does that conflict with gunfighter?

[upbeat wadi]

no

[manic linden]

MY FIRST S RATIIING AAAAAAAAA

i have to say, they made it so much easier to actually capture the fools alive. the non lethal guns actually do something now

[daring flame]

i feel like i only get results with the beanbag

cant get too close and shoot them with it though or toc will be mad

[manic linden]

i waste an entire mag into 1 npc with the rifle

[daring flame]

mods?

[manic linden]

works every time. xD

[daring flame]

MODS GET THIS GUY

[manic linden]

2-4 bullets dont seem to have an effect sometimes

so i just go entire mag, then yell for complaince. worked on everyone so far

[formal steeple]

I lag so bad trying to run my own maps on Epic it's all slow and the recordings are pretty blurry

I play + record sametime

cuz Replays on SSD? No, ty

[daring flame]

did you turn off in-game records too

[formal steeple]

yeah i did it with tht trick on steam for all acct's

[daring flame]

i had shit performance before i did that

[formal steeple]

no other recording but i used Recorded or Not with some of the recordings, i think shadows and everything textrures is on medium...

[daring flame]

using FSR or normal resolution?

[formal steeple]

The Camera Lens and FX do something but i couldn't take it, i think it destroyed 1080p and i realized all of 1080p is broken on 2K

I usually run 2560x1440p

But was trying 1080p for Extra Boost while recoriding with DLSS

[daring flame]

lmao i have a 1440p monitor but always use 1080

[formal steeple]

1080p+ DLSS can run pretty well and look almost as good as standard 2K on a 2K screen

[daring flame]

yeah i bet. dlss has come pretty far

[umbral oar]

damn why is the game so dark

[manic linden]

calling it 2k in 2024

[formal steeple]

I don't like how the Main Menu is running a different Post Process and 1080p is lookin' like a Ghost Recon Game on 1st start lol

UHD?

[daring flame]

yea uhd is what most people use

[formal steeple]

it kinda does look like Future soldier on new hardware after an new install after years of not playing... all too high contrast and crisp and really bright?

[daring flame]

1440p feels like it cuts my eyes if i stare at it too long

[manic linden]

achcthually most people statistically still use 1080p 🤓

[formal steeple]

1440p+DLSS is amazing looking.

[frozen beacon]

if you use 1080p, enable DRS factor in Nvidia Control Panel + DLSS = 👍

[daring flame]

my bad i meant to say uhd is the term most people use

[formal steeple]

on 2K not 4K, maybe.. $K would probavby be nice and clean but not as sharp.

[upbeat wadi]

I like the way it looks honestly, especially the lighting

[manic linden]

uhd is 4k. 3840x2160
"2k" is 1440p. 2560x1440
full hd is 1080p. 1920x1080

[upbeat wadi]

just wish it wouldnt fuckin stutter so much

[formal steeple]

well i don't like how 2K and 4K Textures get mislabelled as UHD but there is a difference in other paramters.

[daring flame]

what the hell i just read uhd was 1440p

[manic linden]

2k is 2048x1080

[formal steeple]

2160

This nexures person, is trolling

[manic linden]

uhd stands for ultra hd bro. its a terminology used for tvs

[formal steeple]

that's a cinama screen man oh

[stone bay]

I haven't heard 2K be used in ages

[manic linden]

you are uneducated. thats ok

[formal steeple]

i read some of everything, why assault?

[daring flame]

whats with the passive aggressiveness in this discord

[stone bay]

Discord moment

[manic linden]

why assault

calls me a troll for giving correct information

its a clown world indeed

[stone bay]

meme arrows
lel

[daring flame]

2024

[formal steeple]

Only Correct in some situations, saying it's "correct information Seems you do troll

[manic linden]

"meme arrows" are used in programming kiddo xd

[daring flame]

ok mr syntax man

[formal steeple]

behind syntax would be a reason

[manic linden]

@formal steepleu the type of guy who starts shit with people then cries about getting punched

[formal steeple]

i'm not here to aruge

[daring flame]

i think he is using those meme arrows from reddit

[formal steeple]

none of this is necessary, see ya

[upbeat wadi]

they've been around since fuckin FIDO my man

[stone bay]

ah yes, an upvote

[manic linden]

smell you later. talk shit get hit

[daring flame]

this is killing me

[manic linden]

anyways. that hotel mission is brutal in commander mode

[stone bay]

i hate that mission

[daring flame]

you need to use steel

[stone bay]

that and the hospital one can fuck off

[manic linden]

quick command menu is fucking brainrot in this game

[upbeat wadi]

yeah i think it took me the most tries to finish it, that or valley

[manic linden]

coz i want them to move forward while im holding an angle... and its not coded in

its either stand there in a straight line and get obliterated, or stand on 2 sides of the door and get obliterated as it takes you 20 years to throw a flash grenade

they couldve given us more commands lol

[daring flame]

hey it's a 1.0 release they worked really hard

[manic linden]

1.0 implies full release

[daring flame]

to who

[manic linden]

everyone on the planet

[daring flame]

so is ron 1.0 a full release?

[frail quartz]

Yesterday I was using the medium difficulty for an ai mod that I thought was too easy, so I switched to hard.
I c2'd and teargassed the first door in Brisa Cove and one of my teammates were instantly headshotted and killed as soon as we went out into the hallway
Safe to say I switched back soon after that.

[manic linden]

yes

[stone bay]

1.0 usually refers to an official release of something. sadly it wasn't much of a release.

[frail quartz]

It's supposed to be, but with the amount of polish, it might as well still be early access

[manic linden]

they already announced 2 paid dlcs

[daring flame]

seems like the plan for most early access devs now

[frail quartz]

I mean, only after they completed the first "OH GOD WE FUCKED UP" phase of the roadmap

Hopefully the game will be in a state worthy of release by then

[stone bay]

PvP when?

[daring flame]

roadmap btw

such a genius way of planning things out

[crude prism]

not this year, at least, I would be surprised if it came in under 2 (or at all)

[stone bay]

Roadmaps must be stress inducing. I'd be happier if they took their time releasing stuff rather than sending it without proper QA.

or let EA purchasers try it before release

[daring flame]

roadmap is easier because if you dont meet the goal you can just make an excuse

also, they did take their time on 1.0 release. and this is how it turned out

[native rune]

I mean the fanbase was urging itself to be patient (not that it had any actual bearing on voids productivity) and after a year of nothing we came out with essentially a still-early-access game with the same issues as before

[stone bay]

we do be going through a huge content drop in one or two days

then people get bored af

[daring flame]

atleast we dont have to wait another year this time

[upbeat wadi]

oh come on it's absolutely better now than a year ago

maybe not quite 1.0 but getting there

[crude prism]

insert the old AI on cocaine gifs here

[upbeat wadi]

that's gone after the last couple updates

if anything they're a bit too slow

[crude prism]

nah I mean the old ones from like 1 year + ago

spinning noscope 1 taps

[upbeat wadi]

oh that

yeah i couldnt even clear 213 in 1.0 pre the no crack hotfixes

[crude prism]

skill issue (obligatory)

[upbeat wadi]

i guess

[crude prism]

nah fr the 1.0 is was nuts

[upbeat wadi]

i wasnt playing super tactically

[daring flame]

ok bot

[crude prism]

okay was it the r word or was it suicide?

[daring flame]

hooore

[crude prism]

[daring flame]

dont know why thats filtered

[slender adder]

skill issue

you will not survive the penthouse

[upbeat wadi]

pre hotfixes buddy

i've beaten the whole campaign since then

[manic linden]

I DIDNT KNOW A C2 CAN KILL A SUSPECT FROM 7 METERS WHAT

MY FUCKING S RATING

[native rune]

How do we tell him

[upbeat wadi]

tell him what? i didn't know that either

[manic linden]

then what is the point of a c2 charge what the fuck

isnt it meant to incap whoever is in front ?

[upbeat wadi]

if anything usually it wont kill suspects standing right next to the exploding door for me

[mossy hatch]

bro hit his head hella hard on the ground

[manic linden]

haha

hit his fucking temple off the corner of a table

1 sus off an S rating. yep this is cancer

[strange bay]

Why does the commander get a so zesty sometimes

Rogerrrr 💅

[manic linden]

mission control in deep rock galactic

[upbeat wadi]

they're waiting for you, gordon
in the tessst chamberrrr

[plucky sage]

Maybe they sick of you reporting yet another suspect killed because they know damn well who's gotta mop the floor once dPlat has moved out

[frozen beacon]

can someone explain to me what Resolution Scale does? I dont notice any difference between 50% and 150%

I thought 50% would make everything a blurry mess, it does not seem to do that

[balmy locust]

there needs to be an order where the ai just shoots whatever armed suspects they see

[foggy zinc]

hello officers

[stone bay]

hi

[umbral oar]

dlss overrides this

[queen cedar]

does the beanbag shotgun work by firing in the ground to bounce off it and hit the suspect or do you just directly shoot it at the suspect?

[crude prism]

shoot them directly

[past warren]

No, just shoot them directly but not at the head

Or just use the chad pepper rifle and taser

[midnight moon]

Anybody down to be in a video(s)?? we would be completing the Game (tactically) - (matching outfits)

[glacial sparrow]

fellow ohiogyatlers whats up hej

[midnight moon]

???

[glacial sparrow]

rizzing up baby gronk GYATTTTT

[glacial sparrow]

hagahah only in ohio

[midnight moon]

😐

[glacial sparrow]

so skibidi ikr 🤣🤣😂😂

[midnight moon]

na ONG these NPC's need to get blocked

[scarlet flare]

is the ai still god tair aimbot or?

[midnight moon]

yes most of the time

[scarlet flare]

ahhh :/ was hoping they changed it

[midnight moon]

i'm pretty sure their are mods on nexus that reduced their accuracy @scarlet flare

[scarlet flare]

ahh okay il check it out tysm 😄

[midnight moon]

no problem man, hopefully you find it so you can enjoy the game more 🙂

[scarlet flare]

yeh just getting tierd of getting shot thrugh walls and also get 1tapped befor i even turn a corner but ty 😄

[fallow sage]

the AI overhaul mod in mod.io did wonders for me

you still need a fair amount of skill which is nice

[past warren]

They should make the taser in the pistol class again instead of an equipment item

[prime wing]

i think it is completely fine as is

[past warren]

Best thing about the taser in pistol class is that you can use it with the riot shield, add more ammunition and customize it

[modern birch]

hi, is there a report function somewhere to report teamkiller griefers to the devs?

[fallow sage]

I don't think you can

[modern vapor]

I just have to rant about how incredibly difficult it is to get S on Elephant

Like I already am doing the mission perfect, always with no officer casualties in less than 8 minutes and still every fucking time a suspect kills one of civis

just because I simply can not walk fast enough through the whole map to get to them fast enough

Have the devs even tried once going for S on Elephant in Commander Mode???

And so that I don't loose progress of course I got to ALT F4 to restart every fing time

[ionic gale]

I mean like I found a mod that basically returned it back to a secondary but the problem is that it’s the old taser from before 1.0 so yk :p

[past warren]

Shame, I play with no mods

[ionic gale]

Yeah :p

[fading quiver]

do chemlights run out

of power

[bright valley]

immediately

[ionic gale]

I love the G36C

I’ve been protesting it to have a holographic sight for about 83 years

That’s how much I care for it

It’s my favorite rifle

I’m even planning to get an Airsoft version of the rifle

Ima get it soon

I have a mod to revert it back into its carry handle

[glacial sparrow]

Dude thats not very rizzing baby gronk

[modern birch]

Guys why was it decided to not allow to open doors with the regular amazing shotguns and slug rounds?

[ionic gale]

Bc then the breaching shotty would have no purpose in game ;/;

Actually yk

Do you want to run a rifle but you wanted to blow off door hinges, then that’s obviously a way to use the breaching shotty

[modern birch]

Not true. The breaching shotty could still be used against doors, while the normal shotguns could be used against both tangos and doors... (and breaching shotty probably would also hurt tangos, or?)

[ionic gale]

I tried tangos

It works uhm weirdly

[stone bay]

So. I just built a PC and got a new monitor. And my curser can only go right this far

O.

Well. It can only go so far to the right. It's like it's hitting a barrier?

Oh. It was my resolution. I'm dumb. My bad boys

[modern birch]

Ah okay.

[ionic gale]

I mean, sometimes you can’t even kill them but like I’m sure they could like I guess like make them have a little boo-boo

Granted, I’m not that bored with the game that I’m literally using breaching rounds to kill suspect although I’m sure in real life, it could do some great damage

[past warren]

Wait this is a game?

[modern birch]

[prime wing]

Suicide squad server spotted

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[past warren]

[ionic gale]

lol

[ionic gale]

I mean, from last time I remember it’s literally just a slug with some wax or something

I’m not sure what breaching rounds actually have in them

[modern birch]

Guys, is blindfiring of AI already planned? (That they hold their assault rifle or shotgun around corners and blindly fire in your direction/at you)

[modern birch]

I just googled it, it's quite interesting

[prime wing]

yup its part of the game, they want for the AI to predict where you are based on a lot of factors, but most of the time it ends up to shooting directly where you are at

sounds its a bit thing apparently,

everything makes sound, even lockpicking doors.

[ionic gale]

[past warren]

You can see that most on sins of father

[ionic gale]

Day Infinity , waiting for the G36C to get a holographic sight (it’s never gonna happen, isn’t it?)

It’s never coming

Like the KFC potato wedges

It’s all pointless, wanting it

OK I’m gonna go cry in the corner for a lil bit bc only red dots can be used on this damn gun

[woven shoal]

🫡

[stone bay]

Hey. So. My friend is trying to join me. And it keeps saying he doesn't have the same mods. But we're not using mods

[ionic gale]

me when I blow out a cavity in Voll’s chest bc he didn’t drop his gun

[modern birch]

What? 🤔 so far I NEVER ever noticed a suspect just slinging his gun around a corner and firing at me blindly... 🤨

[ionic gale]

They have done that for me a lot

I just like, of course put a few rounds of 556 in them after that because yk I know how to get behind cover like them

I know that we ain’t supposed to aim for the head in a “realistic” situation but

Still it’s like the only place that I could tap them in

[modern birch]

I mean kinda like this, the last 6 shots in this short video!!! https://youtu.be/fxNrvS-tMLs?si=oeOuev6pUtov8EgY

[mossy hatch]

I'm just a keyboard warrior but If the only exposed part is the head then there's gonna be more headshots...I remember some article years ago about soldiers headshot percentages (or someshit) going up and its cause dudes were peaking out of windows/doorways or only exposing their heads...

[ionic gale]

Ye

I know that police aren’t really supposed to be like going for head shots unless there’s like some weird weird hostage situation

[mossy hatch]

yeah

[ionic gale]

You kind of want suspects alive and if they die of their bullet wounds at some point then damn that’s too bad

I mean like lower and upper body is like usually the place where the suspects get hit and even then like

Yeah, I’m not really sure it’s just like head shots is something you’re not supposed to do kinda sorta

Hmm

[daring flame]

there is a banner in the headquarters that says our goal is to not make widows

[prime wing]

Mmm, this one says otherwise sir

😎

[daring flame]

You Are ALONE there is no cure NO Help is available for you

[mossy hatch]

I want a sign that just says "Qualified Immunity"

[ionic gale]

Activision hates us all 😔

Never mind take two I meant

I heard irrational games, rebranded a long time ago

[daring flame]

yeah in 2006 bro

[ionic gale]

You probably recognize irrational games because they created the absolute goat SWAT 4

[daring flame]

i dont recognize them actually i never played swat 4

there was a swat game i vividly remember playing on xbox though

[ionic gale]

Sierra and Irrational were like the two goats who made the police quest series in eventually the subseries in that game SWAT

I doubt SWAT 4 will ever get released on Steam, because those two companies are practically like dead

The game seems interesting and I’m thinking of buying it soon

[daring flame]

they also made bioshock

[ionic gale]

Oh damn yeah I forgot about that

[daring flame]

and system shock 2 surprisingly

wonder why they sold to 2k

[ionic gale]

By the way, I think irrational came on like during swat 4

I do believe that like Ready or Not is the spiritual successor to SWAT 4

The silly Microsoft Windows, swat game was created like a few years before I was even born ;-:

But I like old games like this because they seem cool

[daring flame]

i wouldnt say successor more like admiration

[ionic gale]

Ngl watching SWAT 4 and Ready or Not from Mutahar and other creators got me to like buy these types of games

I do like law-enforcement games a lot even though there’s like a very small niche of it

I was one of the like 12 people who liked BF Hardline

[daring flame]

never played that game only heard bad things about it

[ionic gale]

I mean, like the game is practically like two decades, old, and the gunplay is not great

Im planning to get the elite force mod instantly when getting it from GOG

[ionic gale]

I just now realized that you were talking about hardline

.>

I mean, like I liked hardline

especially the firearms…

Lots of cool guns, and I do like role-playing as a cop

I primarily use a Glock and a shotgun bc

Why not lol

Granted, I only played some of the multiplayer, but most of my fun time was replaying the campaign constantly

[daring flame]

lol

i saw some of the campaign for it. didnt look too bad

[ionic gale]

Dude, when I finally completed sinus trail…

Me, my AI teammates were like pretty beat up as we’ve been taking shots left and right

but for some reason Eli being the absolute savage he is… was “Healthy” the entire run

To this day I don’t know how, he must be ex Navy Seal or something

[civic idol]

What's the PVS7?

[tacit gull]

It's night vision goggles

[civic idol]

Thank ya, have you ever gotten a B on Hide and Seek?

[tacit gull]

I've gotten an A when i failed an S rank run

[civic idol]

Is it hard to get an A or S on H&S?

[tacit gull]

It has the most suspects in the game, so it's definetly not the easiest

[civic idol]

We went against 24, and 2 civs

[hot moss]

Do you people gas max

[zealous mantle]

Which one is hide&seek, i cant remember

Is it the one at the port?

[obtuse whale]

Yeah, hide&seek is port Hokan

[zealous mantle]

Well getting an A there isnt as difficult

But an S is tough unless the stars align for you

Im more worried about how my AI teammates will handle the chernysaya farm

[obtuse whale]

If you want a S rank on hide&seek, I'll make you a suggestion, equip your officers with a light vest, steel plate front/back, using gas mask, 2 officers with cs gas, 2 officers with flashbang/stinger, vks pepperball rifle, no ammo on secondary

For officer traits: pacifier, breacher, nutritionist and intimidator, an option for light armor ceramic front /back is the officer with armorer trait replacing the nutritionist

Your SWAT AI will dump a mag on armed suspect, so, It would be interesting for you to use the beanbag shotgun, even if it is a large map, it drastically reduces the suspects' morale, as does the Taser (if you get it right, of course)

[zealous mantle]

Wasnt really wondering about that yet but thanks anyways

The first time i tried doing a non lethal rank with AI, I forgot to take their secondary ammo

First suspect they saw that was resilient, switched to secondary and bang

[tame sundial]

I don't get it, why do I have some random ass PVS-31 type nvg when I have a mod that replaces it to be quad nods

[copper cypress]

Can teammates' abilities be unlocked by repeatedly executing the same level?

[daring flame]

so when are we getting a server browser? hopefully before the "DLC"

[tacit gull]

They haven't mentioned it at all lately so... probably not

[daring flame]

more like they've never mentioned it

[mossy hatch]

Sadly you gotta use the "in game menu" mod's server browser until 2077 when the RoN server browser gets released in RoN 4

[daring flame]

keep in mind im asking for a basic function that's been in multiplayer games for decades

[mossy hatch]

thats too much to ask

[daring flame]

yup

[ebon nebula]

yo

[tacit gull]

They have, and it was in the game at one point

[daring flame]

was it in early access? because i dont recall seeing it

[ebon nebula]

is there discord servers with ppl who actually tryna play this game tactiaclly or wtv or do most ppl playing multiplayer alr play that way

[daring flame]

#📃unit-promo-signup

[tacit gull]

It was in the pre-alpha, aswell as a grayed out button in the pvp alpha

[tacit gull]

#📌unit-promo rather

[daring flame]

so for what god given reason did they remove a server browser for

[tacit gull]

No idea, closest explaination they ever gave was that the old menu was "hard to work with" even though it was infinitely better than what we have right now

[ebon nebula]

is that to join a perm squad that you gona play with hella or just like a squad to play with every once in a while because i dont play this game or just games in general as much anymore

[tacit gull]

every squad is different, you gotta try them out i suppose

[daring flame]

it's such a joke

[ebon nebula]

ok cool thank you for your help sorry to bother you

[daring flame]

mods would rather censor people on the forums instead of inside the actual game

i just love playing with the same micspammer for months now

[tacit gull]

so just kick him

[daring flame]

you know who im talking about right?

[tacit gull]

ah, well then just make your own lobbies

[mossy hatch]

^

[tacit gull]

people always burst in whenever i make one

you even get the benefit of playing with your own mods

[daring flame]

true i just join other peoples cause i dont wanna sit

[tacit gull]

people flock in instantly, try it

[daring flame]

it's just really frustrating when i want to join someone elses lobby. and i join that dudes lobby BACK TO BACK

dude's been in this game for 6 months devs have done nothing about it

[mossy hatch]

it may be placebo but I tend to find people faster when I have a map selected. and to not join the guy you gotta use ingame server browser

[sonic mason]

Will there be new missions soon?

[tacit gull]

untill VOID decide to add a fucking server browser that's really all you can do

[daring flame]

yeah in the dlc

[sonic mason]

Okei

[mossy hatch]

although he joined me the other day, lmao. Maybe he mis-clicked when starting his own sever

[daring flame]

ingame server browser?

[tacit gull]

In summer supposedly, it's gonna cost money

[mossy hatch]

"in game menu" mod on nexus and use the server browser

[daring flame]

i wonder how much he gets paid for this, because no sane person would do this for fre

[sonic mason]

I already paid alot of money for the game

[tacit gull]

And VOID expects you to pay more

[sonic mason]

Damn

I'm not that rich

Already paid 30 dollars for the game and now more???

[tacit gull]

eyup

[mossy hatch]

"but wait theres mo-mor-more"

[daring flame]

lol thats wild that mod has been out for 2 years. and ron devs havent just put it in the game by default yet

[mossy hatch]

lol

[tacit gull]

Sadly it only shows lobbies that also use in game menu i think?

[sonic mason]

I mean I love this kind of games so I will buy it for sure

[tacit gull]

Cause it's usually only like 5-10 lobbies and i think there's way more out there

[mossy hatch]

idk

[sonic mason]

I would love a restart button whne I'm in a mission

[tacit gull]

Practice mode

just ignore commander mode cause its shit right now

[mossy hatch]

commander is practice with extra steps

[daring flame]

achievements work in practice mode too

[sonic mason]

I dont have a restart button

[tacit gull]

practice mode has a restart button at all times

[sonic mason]

I'm might be missing something

I'm new

[sonic mason]

Alr thanks

[daring flame]

what is practice mode under

[tacit gull]

single player

[daring flame]

new game?

ok ty

[mossy hatch]

honestly I don't get the point of commander at this point. Its just random generated AI and it doesn't matter if you die or backout of multiple games, you always have the full number of AI ingame to my knowledge

[daring flame]

it matters to meta-gamers and S rankers

[tacit gull]

ai generated just like the rest of the game

[mossy hatch]

lol yeah but atleast it could've restricted you to having less ppl or something

[daring flame]

there's already an overload of suspects

[tacit gull]

It's basically just a gamemode that was thrown in there with 0 thought so they can justify raising the price for the 1.0 release

[mossy hatch]

especially when I run a more suspects mod

[mossy hatch]

you aint lyin

[tacit gull]

it doesn't add anything to the game, it feels out of place, it's poorly integrated, lacks basic QOL and is overall the WORST way to experience the game

yet it's the biggest button on the main menu so they can say they've done something for the past year while in reality they've just been restructuring

[daring flame]

the game is already overpriced for what it offers

[mossy hatch]

I just wanna be able to interrupt animations... instead of being stuck in one and not being able to shoot back at a crackhead moving at sonic speeds across my screen

[daring flame]

especially when restraining

[mossy hatch]

yup

or even just being able to check mag (its empty), and reload instantly instead of putting an empty mag back in the gun and THEN reload

[daring flame]

dont know if any game has that yet

[tacit gull]

Insurgency Sandstorm has had that since release

The devs actually thought about the animation issue of pulling the mag out, so they just don't do it, that way you can reload instantly upon checking your mag so it doesn't look janky

[mossy hatch]

insurgency, the game with no urgency in animations

[tacit gull]

Of course, you could blend in two animations but that's extra work and that's a big nono for VOID

[daring flame]

[tacit gull]

Nah insurgency animations are fine

[mossy hatch]

those reload anims are slow as fuck, even with reload grip

[tacit gull]

I've found them just fine, RON's animations are really on the edge for how fast you can humanly reload

[earnest phoenix]

void when they need to work on a 50$ game they made

[daring flame]

$50 early access game

[tacit gull]

legit

[tacit gull]

"1.0" release lil bro

[daring flame]

sons of the forest also recently got their 1.0 update

[mossy hatch]

idk, Im not lookin for COD sleight of hand pro but when I (a keyboard warrior, airsofter) can reload faster than a trained PMC, it's a problem for me....

[daring flame]

yeah insurgency reloads are slow

like they take their time with it

[mossy hatch]

no urgency

[tacit gull]

really that's how you're supposed to do it

[copper cypress]

Will civilians being wounded or killed after being shot by suspects also affect the status of other teammates? After I played the elephant level, all team members became nervous ?_?

[mossy hatch]

?

[daring flame]

if you're not being shot at sure

[tacit gull]

since under stress you can't afford to make mistakes by going too fast

[earnest phoenix]

nourgency sandstorm

[mossy hatch]

it shoudn't be too fast though, that's the point of training isn't it? to get your average time lower

[tacit gull]

I think so yeah

[tacit gull]

If you think insurgency's reloads are slower try project reality, which are actual military drill reloads and they're PAINFULLY slow

[copper cypress]

…==

[daring flame]

wtf are they nervous for 😭

[copper cypress]

It’s so bad

I thought civilian casualties wouldn't matter😅

[tacit gull]

I think they matter the most

[copper cypress]

!!!

[earnest phoenix]

im pretty sure elephant is just coded to stress them out

i had no civs die and killed one of the shooters and after that they were anxious

[tacit gull]

Oh yeah elephant instantly sets all of your officers to stressed no matter what

Hard coded

[daring flame]

why

[mossy hatch]

(again I'm just a keyboard warrior) but if I run dry and I don't have someone backing me up or to switch with me then you bet your ass im speed reloading that shit as fast as I can without just slamming the mag into the side...

[copper cypress]

You mean it is bug!?

[earnest phoenix]

i think its intentional

[daring flame]

ready or not code can be considered a bug yeah

[mossy hatch]

depends on the situation ofc

[tacit gull]

It is strange, but its made that way by the devs intentionally

[mossy hatch]

school shootings are stressful, confirmed

[daring flame]

not for texas cops

[mossy hatch]

lol I didn't want to say it

[earnest phoenix]

i guess it kinda makes sense but its poorly implemented (likr the stress system overall)

[daring flame]

im from texas so idgaf

[mossy hatch]

lol

[daring flame]

those cops are a joke

[tacit gull]

Again, this stuff is drilled in your head in the military: check chamber, remove mag, insert into pouch, pull out mag, insert, chamber assist

[tacit gull]

Not arguing that, just mentioned its how the devs planned it

[mossy hatch]

I know PMC's usually are former mil but still, if somethings fast or more effective they're going to take that on. shit from competitive shooting makes it way across to mil/sf and vice versa. If you know you're out why take the time to chamber check, THEN reload, or hit the "chamber assist" (forward assist). INS reloads just seem to be done in a vacuum in flat range conditions or a lil bit faster (I would concede the point if it were being under Nods or something to where the gross motor skill is way harder to pull off)

[daring flame]

devs just didnt think of it

[tacit gull]

Even if its realistic or not, from a gameplay sense it works wonderfully since i never run a loadout without a quick draw secondary

[daring flame]

remember switching to your secondary is faster than reloading

[mossy hatch]

lol

[tacit gull]

(unless you dont run quickdraw)

[mossy hatch]

^

[tacit gull]

Either that or fully kitted out mp7 that just reloads instantly

[daring flame]

200rd drum mag mp7

[tacit gull]

nah that's the uzi

[daring flame]

uzi in ron when

[tacit gull]

the "budget gunner" class

[tacit gull]

already in

[daring flame]

cant use the bad guy gun

[tacit gull]

you can if you put your mind to it

I think all bad guy guns are usable, their animations are just placeholder

[mossy hatch]

yeah pretty sure its the anims that are fkd. People enable some suspect guns in mods, but the anims usually are fkd

[tacit gull]

the devs just didnt bother making them since they knew they wouldn't end up in your hands

the ones that do have proper animations are guns you had in the PVP

[mossy hatch]

when cod is more realistic hold f to pick up gun

[tacit gull]

wait till i tell you that they cut out weapon clearing animations

[mossy hatch]

bruuuh

[tacit gull]

they were supposedly still working on them, but then 1.0 happened

[mossy hatch]

I've been on RoN for a WHILE and I didnt know they had that at one point