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[frail quartz]

Hmm... we may need another strategy.

[sharp fox]

i should replace it with glitter

[bitter mason]

Wow bro hates dogs
Mods can we kill this guy?

[sharp fox]

i bet the suspects would love that

[frail quartz]

We can fix him

[bitter mason]

Fix via the los suenos rehabilitation program™️

[pastel wind]

Can I make a suggestion

Give the 1911s in game have 8 rounds

Pls

[lost inlet]

Why stop at 8 rounds?

[pastel wind]

Is there 9 round mags?

Ik they got 10 rounds but it’s gonna stick out the end

It’s a good grip tho

[lost inlet]

I mean you can have 7 rounds mag with +1 in the chamber so guess that 8

[pastel wind]

Ron needs to make the customization system a little better

[pastel wind]

Kinda shitty in a gunfight

Yk

[lost inlet]

Nah they won’t, engine limitation(laziness)

[pastel wind]

Ofc

[lost inlet]

Both 1911 suck in ron tbh

[pastel wind]

Well at least add more ar 15 variants and no more of this 300 blackout bs

[pastel wind]

All pistols do besides the magnum

And m9

[lost inlet]

Wish there 44 magnum revolver

[pastel wind]

FR

I wanna see a 38 snub

[lost inlet]

Guess thats why the LSPD in underfunded

[pastel wind]

Yeah

Keeps buying expensive ahh guns

And the fbi keeps pushing them around and hiding the human traffickers

[lost inlet]

Los Suenos is a lost cause nuke it already

[vestal mauve]

No give me a barrel lug on the 357 for BARRY BURTON STYLE

[fading grotto]

Anyone else fighting John Wick on some of these levels?

[lost inlet]

Pretty sure thats like every ai in the game

[queen cedar]

los suenos has fallen, billions must live in 213 park homes

[lost inlet]

Thought it’s 213

[queen cedar]

it is

[vestal mauve]

The solution is tear gas
Lots of tear gas

[crude prism]

.357 dual wielding when

[tribal acorn]

I had a Ready Or Not dream last night

a lengthy one that got weird, towards the end me and my fellow SWAT boys were fighting Cthulhu cultists

[vestal mauve]

aw hell naw, they just invented Delta Green

[tribal acorn]

it was kinda Delta Green mixed with Rainbox Six

[copper cypress]

Silent walking is Shift+WASD?

[native rune]

By default yeah shift is to walk

[copper cypress]

Okay, thanks

[umbral oar]

how do trigger the "naww" voiceline in club suspects

nawwww

[outer flume]

I think my AI are firing every bullet/shell in 1 shot (audio goes off like many rounds go off)

[modern birch]

Guys isn't ceasar's car dealership mission STILL bugged?? When you complete the soft objectives ("report contraband in storage"), in the end it only shows 1/2 although you CAN only complete ONE of those 2!

[stable kernel]

The two soft objectives are the contraband and the shredded documents in the office inside the main building

[modern birch]

shredded documents, aaaah thanks!!! 🍻

[modest heron]

how do replays work?

like sometimes they work then sometimes they dont do i have to like activate them ?

[stable kernel]

Yes, you must enable the save replays setting in the options every time you start the game (until the devs fix the setting). Replays don't save with the correct names either, so you have to open them to see which is which

[modern birch]

I will add it to that wiki article asap so it's clear to everyone. 👍

[stable kernel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3113593191 If you want all of them

[modern birch]

Thx! For S rank, you are not allowed to incapacitate any suspect, or? Only arrest them conscious?

[stable kernel]

No incap/dead, all soft and regular objectives complete, all evidence (guns) bagged, and in singleplayer all SWAT must be alive

[modern birch]

in singleplayer "all" what?

[fading grotto]

So I completed the story what should I do now any recommendations? I am going to go back and S grade all the remaining missions btw

Is there a harder solo mode or something

[shy tulip]

If you played through practice, you can play ironman campaign mode and go for achievements like losing no police

[brittle sentinel]

why in the FUCK in greassed palms can i NOT FUCKING FIND THE LAST CIV

[tight frigate]

check the spawn if you told any to run for the exit

[brittle sentinel]

i went by spawn 50 times already

[tight frigate]

or the bathrooms idk

gl

[brittle sentinel]

I WENT AROUND THE ENTIRE FUCKING MAP 50 TIMES ALREADY AND CANT FIND THIS GUY

[shy tulip]

Did you check the middle middle area

There's like a middle area between the conveyers

That's where my last civ was

[past warren]

Try and use the “search and secure” command, if you have ai teammates

[modern birch]

Did I just hear this right, did one of the suspects in Neon Tomb say "Allah!!!"? 😳 😳 😳

[brittle sentinel]

i did that like fucking 50 times

[summer copper]

they are yemeni so probably

[copper cypress]

What do you guys think of the breaching shotgun?

[modern birch]

ah ok

[summer copper]

goated

[terse merlin]

I think it's more flexible but less consistent than the ram (I prefer it)

[modern birch]

I still wonder to this very day why there is a special "breeching shotgun" and why one wouldn't simply use a normal shotgun for breeching? 🤔

[terse merlin]

breaching shotguns use special rounds that won't tear straight through a door

they're usually also lighter and more compact, plus with the spiked muzzle choke so you can stick it to the door and not have it slip

[thorny warren]

i liked the voice line that says "hands up now, drop your knees", but seems like they removed it, a shame

[copper cypress]

Really!? They removed it!??

[hardy plinth]

God the netcode is so ass

I hit someone with pepperballs and they start coughing in place, next thing is they teleport God knows where and start shooting

Hit reg also makes multiplayer unplayable at times

[thorny warren]

i hate it when they get stunned by beanbag rounds and then aim at me instantly, no animation nothing

i guess i gotta keep firing until they get down

[copper cypress]

Will kicking in a door cause a suspect or civilian to surrender more easily than opening the door?

[tacit gull]

I think it does damage morale... barely

[copper cypress]

Morale damage caused by breaking a door: C2>Breaking Hammer>Breaking Shotgun>Kick
Is the order correct?😅

[jolly verge]

C2>Breaching Shotgun>Battering Ram>Kick

[tacit gull]

Is that true? I swear the battering ram dealt more damage

[jolly verge]

From AILevelData it's seems to be right

ram is 0.2 damage and shotgun 0.3

[tacit gull]

Wow, so it's even more useless than i thought

[jolly verge]

well, it's have bit more radius

[bitter mason]

Ram looks cooler tho

[stone bay]

Do breaching shotguns trigger the grenade on the other side

Or kill anybody directly behind the door

[tacit gull]

They trigger grenades and the pellets can barely kill someone when aimed directly at them, so no

[fair cave]

I just spent 20 minutes looking for one civilian I think I lost my soul in the process

[stone bay]

It's a fucked up situation isn't it

I've been there, best thing you can do is just order your team to search the room you are standing in

They will automatically lock to a citizen if they are in the room

[next sigil]

What's wrong with the mod pages in-game? All it says it "couldn't fetch data" constantly for days

[stone bay]

There is a mod on the in-game mod menu that overhauls the AI, it's actually a really good mod

The shitty thing is that none of your scores count if you have the mod activated, so it sucks

[tacit gull]

Don't use mod.io

[summer copper]

okay so what actually is the story of 23 megabytes per second because ive seen people say that someone swatted him but how does that explain the 911 call

[stone bay]

No story, just fanservice tattoo 🥰🙏

[fair cave]

That’s what I ended up doing eventually they found them, and I still don’t know where they were I think they might’ve been like glitched into a wall or something because I could hear them, but I couldn’t see them

It was even worse because it was night so I can’t see much of nothing

[hardy plinth]

But does it fix the netcode? I'm talking about the multiplayer

[summer copper]

real

[bitter mason]

Michael williams the streamer ur after is live streaming. Someone in the chat swats him saying he is taking his family hostage and swat arrive to find an illegal bitcoin mining operation and cp in Michaels possession, with leads to mindjot hosting illegal images of minors

[gaunt turtle]

someone swatted him using a voice soundalike (i think, the rest is true but idk bout that) and the LSPD just so happened to come across the illegal server farm and Mindjot CP stuff

[gaunt turtle]

beat me by seconds 😔

[bitter mason]

Its just void for whatever ungodly reason decided to add 10 heavily armed goons around the place and also mindjot comes after spider in game when it should be before

[stone bay]

Yeah, some parts of the plot are unexplainable

It's like, even an illegal Bitcoin server farm wouldn't have an armed resistance as deep as even in Micheals room lol

[bitter mason]

Voids “realism first” when it comes to map design and suspect counts

[past warren]

What mission are we talking about? Mindjot?

[bitter mason]

Streamer having 10 heavily armed suspects +the steamer
Mindjot should be before brixleys talent agency in terms of story order

[stone bay]

I do really enjoy the map design of each official level

they clearly done research on each theme the level has, it's pretty immersive, some elements in the landscape that are obviously gamey stand out (too many doors etc) because you realize that it's still a game at the end of the day

[south phoenix]

I rlly like the simpler levels

More fun doing a simple gas station or streaming setup then a giant ass mansions with 30 people😭

[stone bay]

Same, a real house only has about 4 doors each floor, not 8-9 lol

I like simple swat location situations also

The school one was cool, it was scary also

[bitter mason]

Yeah
I think they kinda screwed the pacing of the levels too
Imo at least there should be a clear difficulty curve
Rather than the random zig zag and casual filters we have currently

[south phoenix]

I got so confused cuz I kept randomly dying opening doors on ides of march and I didn’t realize they all had explosives and the level wasn’t actually even that hard😭

[stone bay]

LOL

Yeah, explosive doors definitely keep me second guessing every door open

[south phoenix]

I saw snipers in the mission description and had my headphones out at the time and thought there were just snipers and it was cuz of the shitty ai

[fair cave]

That 312 Park homes map was just plain freaky I try to get out of that place as quickly as I can

[stone bay]

That house setup reminded me of Los Angeles

I guess technically this is a fake Los Angeles

I grew up in Compton

[bitter mason]

Los suenos is an LA doppelgänger
But placed right on the border of mexico

[stone bay]

Yeah seems that way

It's like LA but with San Diego location

[south phoenix]

Thought of los santos when I heard LSPD

[past warren]

Forgot my enable my save recording.

Shame.

[stone bay]

I turned off the mod from the in game mod menu, because I wanted my scores to count, but it's still giving me a (modded) status on the top right

It's pissing me off

[south phoenix]

Delete mods.io folder in your paks folder

Happened to me

[stone bay]

Thanks for the info,
I'm not PC savy, so I'll find that in the game files somewhere?

[summer copper]

wow thats pretty lucky

[south phoenix]

Go to open game files on steam (if you know how

Click ready or not then content then paks

Select the mods.io folder and delete

It should be on top

[stone bay]

Copy that, just did, annnnd, it worked

Legendary, thanks

[south phoenix]

Kewl

[bitter mason]

Honestly im pretty sure it still saves your scores even if its modded
It just says unofficial

[karmic hearth]

what is the point of searching closets? i can never remember finding anything in them

[past warren]

There used to be civilians hiding but I guess that feature is gone

[bitter mason]

Civilians and suspects have a behaviour in which they can hide in closets or under beds and tables. However their likely hood of doing so is next to none with the current ai so you pretty much will never see it without modded ai

[summer copper]

i seen it once on methhouse

[hardy plinth]

Me and my friend have been looking for the last gun on carriers of the vine for the past half hour

This could be the worst part of the game

[stone bay]

Hey guys how did RoN get popular in China?

[past warren]

Imagine doing a pretty good S run and once you get to the end. BLAM you get a friendly fire penalty due to some flashbang 😭

(Happened to me 4 different times on some of the hardest maps)

(Sins of father, Carrier of the vine, Relapse, and Neon Tomb)

[stable lagoon]

I've found that the crackheads on the drug lab mission early on do it a lot but I haven't seen it since.

[stone bay]

Some of them leak over from Zero Hour

"Zero Hour is ready or not from Alibaba" lol

Best comment I ever seen

I got Kanji in my name and some people think I'm CN ready to kick until I text something

"I'M ONE OF YOU, I'M ONE OF YOU"

me and two guys are doing mindjot

its mad

[unreal oxide]

saw it, gonna watch gameplays see if it sucks

[cerulean elbow]

Does anyone know if the ironman mode achievements have any other requirements? This time I lost one officer to him quitting but it's the second time I've done the entire campaign trying to get the achievements

[stone bay]

Excellent, keep me updated

If it doesn't suck I'll hop on with you

[fiery flame]

why does it feel like suspect weapons pierce stuff more then the swat guns

[stone bay]

Oh LOL

Isn't Zero Hour a mobile game?

[cerulean elbow]

I've noticed that too when I try to return fire through a door jam they are shooting at me through

[fiery flame]

the main entrance for the 4U Gas Station some person was shooting at me just fine with a makrov but i could not shoot back with an entire mag of 556 dumped into the door

[tacit gull]

no

[stone bay]

spooky ass makarov what the fuck

also has anyone seen that video of like an armed robber in brazil get shot by a group of plain clothes police officers

[fiery flame]

"officers"

[stone bay]

they were police officers or off duty police officers

i think only police and military personnel can carry firearms

in brazil

[fiery flame]

i would download a mod that replaced all bullets with nerf darts

it would look so dumb

[summer copper]

does anybody have a map with the bomb spawn locations for elephant

[stone bay]

its nerf or nothing

[fiery flame]

dont they make like a beeping noise

[summer copper]

yeah but its quiet, doesnt matter anyway i just had a god run

[fiery flame]

"suppresed sawn off shotgun"

[copper cypress]

If I kill all the suspects on the map by myself, will my remaining 4 teammates have a chance to get anxious?

[jolly verge]

Yes, it's doesn't matter who kill suspect

[copper cypress]

:((

One suspect was using an M249, which made me consider asking all my teammates to equip themselves with assault rifles.

[minor fox]

Does anyone know the difference between the NVGS and the GPNVGS?

[summer copper]

zero difference

[vestal mauve]

none, just visuals

[minor fox]

Thanks

[quasi gate]

Cosmetic preference only

[fair cave]

What’s your favorite weapon?

[lost inlet]

arn 180

[fair cave]

I like the sa 58 osw it go boom, boom, and make bad guy go bye-bye

[lost inlet]

sa 58 shine when they dont have extra health 1 tap everything

[fair cave]

And the wall behind them and the civilian☹️

[lost inlet]

take jhp

[summer copper]

AP users when their bullet penetrates things:

[fair cave]

Mmmmm

[fair cave]

But I mean, is it really illegal? I didn’t hit them with a bullet They stood in the way of the bullet so it’s their fault😀

[summer copper]

im pretty sure that a huge portion of training with guns is to look at whats behind what youre shooting at

so id say yes, its probably illegal to shoot through someone and hit a civvie

[lost inlet]

honestly as long you are focus on the suspect instead of anything else chance of hitting civi behind sth are low

[fair cave]

Mmmmmm maybe if I did the training I would know

[summer copper]

well really its common sense

[lost inlet]

man i wish shotgun slug can also blow the limbs off

[jolly verge]

it's can but chance too low

[lost inlet]

if no extra health then blown off, if extra health then incap

[fair cave]

Maybe

[dry wigeon]

quick question about the up and coming update, will the pistols get a damage change? im nailing people in the face with 9mm, .45ACP and 5.7mm and its knocking them out dispite the fact i can see bone

[fiery flame]

along with that, the shotgun does not blow off peoples heads, it only like damages the front part of their head despite me putting 9 shells in their head

[strong hinge]

anybody know if the non lethal R7 assault rifle or whatever is fixed when you want to use flashlight? Last time I tried when I equip with flashlight still use laser... so stupid

[copper cypress]

Are there any weapons other than bean bag shotguns and pepper guns that are less likely to kill suspects?

[fiery flame]

pepper guns cant kill

[tacit gull]

breaching shotgun

[tacit gull]

They can

[copper cypress]

Using the pepper gun killed a lot of my team members, but with other weapons it was easy to kill suspects with one shot.

[tacit gull]

If your HP is low enough being in a pepper cloud can also kill you

[fiery flame]

i loaded a whole round of pepper balls at my friend and they did not die

[jolly verge]

nope, but you can swap weapon and then take vks again, it's will be with flashlight

[fiery flame]

mayber something changed

[tacit gull]

It takes more than that

[strong hinge]

Thanks

[tacit gull]

There's a reason they're not as effective as the beanbag

[fiery flame]

so how many

[jolly verge]

it's deal 1 damage, you need shoot your friend 160 times

[tacit gull]

A lot

[fiery flame]

how many mags is that

5 and a half or something

[jolly verge]

7

[tacit gull]

I've actually lost an S rank to dying to fucking pepper clouds

[jolly verge]

you literally need to be 1hp to die in 5sec of pepper smoke

[fiery flame]

what pistols u guys like to run

[dreamy garden]

If you make the swat mirror gun a room, does that increase their competency or are they still just as equally stupid with intel

[native rune]

It doesn’t affect their ability to deal with targets inside afaik it’s just meant to tell you what’s in the room, but it does allow them to disarm a trap if they see one through it

[brave crow]

probably info that helps you, and not AI logic

[dreamy garden]

Makes sense

[brave crow]

I don't think AI has code that changes behaviour based on mirrored suspects.

but I could wrong, that is just a logical thinking x D

[native rune]

If it did I’m sure we’d hear about it

[brave crow]

eh yea

[strong hinge]

would be nice if you could call it out to your teamates with a prompt. but that would probably be hard to implement

[dreamy garden]

Ai mirrors a door
"Armed suspect, left"
Breach and clear
Completely ignores the left and everyone attempts to flow in the right side
suspect on the left guns down all 4 of them

[brave crow]

It's difficult because some rooms may have cover or dead space that could hide suspect. So do they then always focus suspect and forget about deadspace with possible suspect? its difficult.

[dreamy garden]

It was the warehouse with a soft objective on car dealer

I was clearing from inside out

near that garage door thats a quarter open

Pretty sure it was wide open

[stable lagoon]

I just leave my dudes at mission start. They cause me more problems than they solve.

If I need my back watched I just wedge the door.

[dreamy garden]

Yeah they fucking suck for ironman mode but I use them to wedge doors since I don't like wasting ammo slots on that

[copper cypress]

Why is it still easy for a G17 pistol equipped with JHP to kill a suspect without a body armor? My teammates rarely capture suspects alive after switching shields ==

🤯

[native rune]

Because JHP in the game is specifically designed to be effective against people without armor

[copper cypress]

If I let my teammates use AP, will the chance of being captured alive be higher?

[native rune]

As in surrendered? Not really no

[tacit gull]

Not really, SWAT AI will shoot to kill usually

[stone bay]

are pepper balls meant to kill suspects if you hit them in certain spots of the body?

[copper cypress]

…

[tacit gull]

Not pepper balls no

[stone bay]

why did one of my suspects just drop dead though, i got an ROE penalty

[native rune]

I’ve never had a suspect die from pepper balls in my almost two years of playing but I’ve heard multiple times it’s happened to ppl so I can’t say

[jolly verge]

you using vks or beanbag shotgun?

[copper cypress]

Does it mean that equipped with a shield = the AI ​​intends to kill the suspect?

[stone bay]

VKS

[tacit gull]

The AI will always try to kill suspects they fire on

[copper cypress]

I just want my teammates to live a little longer lol

[native rune]

No just in general, the swat ai shoots to kill, the only way they “can’t” is if you give them less lethal guns and no secondary ammo

[tacit gull]

Did you shoot them while they were surrendering?

[copper cypress]

It’s so sad :((

[stone bay]

nah, just popped him in the face twice with a pepper ball

[jolly verge]

did you cuff him?

[stone bay]

no, i would never shoot a cuffed suspect

[native rune]

Was he shot with lethal guns by the ai?

[jolly verge]

i mean after

you kill him

[stone bay]

nah , i gave my AI VKS

[tacit gull]

The only way you can take suspects alive while using lethal is if you do it yourself with a taser or grenades

[stone bay]

and no secondaries

[tacit gull]

That's super strange

[stone bay]

someone in the station did an epic prank and put 5.56 in my VKS lmao

[tacit gull]

Was he actually dead or did he fake being dead?

[jolly verge]

i want know this too

[stone bay]

actually died, i saw an unauthorized use of force thing

cost me my S rank

:|

[tacit gull]

Unauthorised use of force doesn't mean he died

[stone bay]

could he have been pretending?

[vocal night]

you can shoot beside them to make them cough you dont have to shoot at them

[tacit gull]

That applies whenever a suspect is hit while hesitating or surrendering

[vocal night]

you can avoid unauthorised use of force that way

[stone bay]

ah OK

I'm dumb. Thanks y'all.

[vocal night]

however i never needed to do that after ai update

they almost never fake surrender

[copper cypress]

Grenades are difficult to throw. The only time I've ever used a Taser was to shock a civilian/suspect who was standing still with a knife 😂

[tacit gull]

Yeah, it's really stupid but its how the game is designed

[stone bay]

we should be able to not have secondaries. it looks weird to have a pistol in my loadout i can't even use bc i don't give it ammo

[vocal night]

better yet we should have tasers on secondaries

[stone bay]

yes

[tacit gull]

This wasn't an issue when the taser was in secondaries

[vocal night]

now i have to hold 4 and scroll to get my taser

[tacit gull]

They mentioned the TPL may move to secondaries, which should make it usable

[stable lagoon]

I just double tap 2.

That also bring you to taser if you have one.

[tacit gull]

That's more inconsistent

[stable lagoon]

Caution though, if you don't it will dump your pistols current mag.

[vocal night]

problem is if im trying to switch to my taser its probably because i emptied my less lethal primary

[stable lagoon]

How? Hit 2, wait for pistol to appear on screen, hit 2.

[vocal night]

things can get messed up when you try to do them in a hurry

[tacit gull]

Hold 2, scroll up, taser appears on your screen instead of pistol

[stable lagoon]

Touché

[tacit gull]

Situations where you need the taser are usually really fast, either you saw a suspect who didnt see you and you want to try to gamble the hitboxes or a suspect is hesitating which lasts like 10 seconds

[summer copper]

you manage to insult the game or squeeze in a snide comment in literally most things you write. i'm not even mad about it anymore that's just impressive

[tacit gull]

Thanks, i try

[vestal mauve]

Taser won't be good until you can use it with the shield

[tacit gull]

It's actually borderline broken when it works

Since its basically a free arrest and it has two shots

[vocal night]

i use it alongside beanbag when i can only see suspects head

and when i run dry when 3 fellas run at me

sucks when you cant pull it out with 1 button

[tacit gull]

And the range is also way longer than you'd think, i ran my first save with it and got a lot of arrests just because of it

[vestal mauve]

Hmmm
I'm always afraid I'll miss unless I'm right on top of them in which case they'll just shoot me
Maybe I should give it a go

[tacit gull]

It'll miss when it feels like it since suspects have holes in their hitboxes and the projectile is broken in multiplayer

It's why i stopped using it since its point blank shots got me killed way too many times

[frail quartz]

What do you mean by gamble the hitboxes, does bodyarmor block tasers?

[tacit gull]

No, the taser can just go through people

[jolly verge]

taser actually not hitscan, at least file say so

[dreamy garden]

They do small amounts of damage

so the suspect was probably like 2% health

[stone bay]

that makes sense

[dreamy garden]

swat ai can kill you with pepperballs

[jolly verge]

only if you break roe which will down you health to 1 point

[stone bay]

PvP when?

[fading quiver]

they act like they get hit even though it probably adds health to them

[fair cave]

If they breathe on u u die

[dreamy garden]

nah itll take like

10 mags being dumped into you

You'll just drop

[tacit gull]

Idk about that, i'd prefer they acted like they got hit rather than unloading their entire mag into my skull

[fading quiver]

look in media btw

[tacit gull]

beanbag loaded SMAW

[stable lagoon]

Had a guy survive a beanbag headshot the other day and refuse to surrender. Don't know what kinda shit he was on but I want some.

It's like once in a blue moon a suspect just becomes a juggernaut.

[frail quartz]

How come reports of suspects surviving headshots increased tenfold recently

1984 automod smh

[tacit gull]

Okay, was the suspect wearing an s vest?

[stable lagoon]

I don't think so. Maybe. He was bleeding out the ear pretty bad from the beanbag though.

[novel walrus]

Can we ban the guy that host lobbies just to preech church shit?

[summer copper]

did you know that you're the first ever person to advocate for that?

[tacit gull]

Server browser?

Personally i'm against just banning people from the game straight up, would rather just make them a non issue

[summer copper]

where is the money cache on twisted nerve

[tacit gull]

2nd floor first house to the hard left, should be in the bathroom

Either that or... in the room opposite the one with the bathroom, in the library, it's really unclear what counts as what sometimes

[summer copper]

wdym first house to hard left. main house or the house with the labs?

[tacit gull]

Not the fumigation house

[summer copper]

okay cheers

[manic linden]

seriously, to get S are you meant to arrest literally everyone on every map ?

[frail quartz]

Ding ding ding!

[manic linden]

how the fuck are you meant to arrest the terrorists in that villa map

or in the hotel

[dreamy garden]

yep

[tacit gull]

Beanbags

[dreamy garden]

gotta make sure the enemies know of your existence too

[manic linden]

this is gonna be a lot of tedium and a lot of copium.. lol

[dreamy garden]

no unauthorized uses of force by shooting them when they are unaware?
Yep!

[manic linden]

i mean, pre 1.0 release that wouldve been litrerally impossible

but they improved ai a lot so i might be getting worked up over nothing

[tacit gull]

You can use less lethals on them fully unaware

[manic linden]

so if you cant kill them, you can probably stack up on tasers and 9 flash grenades

get rid of secondary pistol ammo etc

[summer copper]

dont kill em

[manic linden]

i dont get A+ rating. i arrested a ton of suspects with guns, 3 people got killed.. yet i still "only" got A

[night pasture]

S has to be perfect

and A+ is like you miss 1 thing

[manic linden]

wdym miss 1 thing bro

the mission auto completed for me, meaning i got all objectives

[night pasture]

:3 (no comment)

[manic linden]

🤦🏻‍♂️

does getting shot decrease the score?

[frail quartz]

No, the health of you and your officers isn't a factor

[manic linden]

just confused why it wasnt A+. not that it matters i guess, because "rewards" are all the same

all objectives, nearly all arrests. 0 penalties

[frail quartz]

Yeah, but you still didn't detain all of the suspects alive & conscious

[manic linden]

but.. isnt that S then? haha

[summer copper]

if one of them got incapacitated for any reason then its not S

[manic linden]

no dude, im talking about A+

[summer copper]

if you shot or flashbang your own officers you dont get S

[manic linden]

like i did everything, except for aresting everyone. dont understand why its not A+

[summer copper]

well maybe get 2 people killed instead of 3

[frail quartz]

I don't think your officers can get flashbanged

[frail quartz]

wait, ohhhhh, I was confused

[summer copper]

its still friendly fire

[manic linden]

its so stupid and unreliable.

[frail quartz]

I thought you were asking why you didn't get an S

[manic linden]

no no,i get S. i think. im just talking about A+

[frail quartz]

Yeah my bad

[manic linden]

im trying to understand how that shit is scored haha

[summer copper]

theres a hidden score related to incap/kills

[manic linden]

i just did twisted nerve and got A. just confused thats all. out of lets say 10 npcs only 2 died yet still not A+. its just s tupid

again, not like it matters coz not only its impossbile to track your scores for each level, there is no reward for getting those points anyways. im just curious

i assume the diamond watch + all the unlockables are usable in multiplayer?

[summer copper]

yuh

[fading quiver]

is there a mod that gives me more AI team members

[bitter mason]

Once you unlock them you can use them in multiplayer too

[shy tulip]

I think unlocks are cross mode no matter what, but not sure. Been chillin with the sp boys

[bitter mason]

Only maps are all unlocked for mp
cosmetics you still need to earn through scores (or mod)

anyways man do I hate relapse.
Randomly wanting to make my life miserable by playing it
man.. relapse sucks

[fading quiver]

fuck relapse

[bitter mason]

all my homies hate relapse

[stone bay]

Y’all remember the lethal obsession lol

[bitter mason]

yet another map let down by the one note suspect ai

[stone bay]

I replayed and got myself and my entire team killed at the door by a bomb multiple times

[bitter mason]

check for them traps got damn

[stone bay]

I did figure it out eventually

[fading quiver]

wait you can plan out a raid so that the ai does everything for you?

[stone bay]

You can give them commands like “move in and clear the room” and they will do that for you

Or “check for traps and suspects using a mirrorgun” and they will do that

[fading quiver]

nono

i mean like in the briefing thingy

with the map thingy

[stone bay]

I don’t know

[fading quiver]

can i just preplan a raid

[stone bay]

Probably not, I don’t know

[stable kernel]

It is for use with other players. Your team AI only responds to commands when loaded into the level

[umbral oar]

void please add a barefoot option 🙏

[stone bay]

Bro really wants to see them dogs 💀💀💀

[fading quiver]

so it doesnt actually do anything?

[bitter mason]

nah thats just for MP and rp
you cant preplan for ai movement or anything

[vestal mauve]

Shame really, would love to go rainbow six and plan an entry

[tacit gull]

I would use the tablet like crazy if i could so my AI teammates actually go to the waypoints i want when clearing, but considering some maps are not 100% accurate i dont think it would be possible to translate to 3d space

R6 had completely accurate maps with a 3d in mission view aswell when preplanning

[fading grotto]

Wait can you not S rank Rustg Belt? I just did everything and it gave me an A+

[summer copper]

did you end the mission early

[fading grotto]

No it ended on it's own

[frail quartz]

Did you get a screenshot of your score?

[fading grotto]

Yeah I can't post it in here though

[fading quiver]

did you use less lethal for every officer

[fading grotto]

Yeah

We all have pepper balls guns with no sidearm ammo

[bitter mason]

you can S rank it

[summer copper]

yeah good chance that a suspect was caught in the crossfire and died without you noticing. it's possible to S rank it, i did it today

[fading grotto]

That's what happened I forgot about that lol

Man that's super annoying

[summer copper]

lol fair enough, yeah it's annoying but at least it's not the hardest mission

[fading grotto]

If it was greased palms I would have to find the tallest bridge near me

[summer copper]

my teammate did the "pulling out empty pistol" move again, and guess what! he died...

i can already tell that sins of the father is gonna piss me off

[summer copper]

got it second try nvm

[summer copper]

does the bomb vest guy not surrender after a beanbag shot? cuz he didnt

[stable kernel]

There is a bug where the vest suspects do not surrender if in close proximity to swat. You and the team need to back away and then they should be able to surrender when stunned

[summer copper]

thats great im really glad about that

[spiral mulch]

did they ever fix the performance issues?

havent played since the update came out

[summer copper]

its a 50/50 for most people lol

some people have really loved it and others have really hated it

[spiral mulch]

i liked the game but the performance was something else

[summer copper]

for some people it broke their games, for others it boosted their frames

[spiral mulch]

17 fps in the lobby

[summer copper]

are you perchance playing on your samsung smart fridge

[spiral mulch]

ill load it up again, havent since i got my new pc

i had a 3070 ti and an i9 9900k and my frames were wither 300 or 30

well then they either fixed fps or my pc can handle it now

200 fps in lobby

[shy tulip]

Cap your FPS to 80-120

[spiral mulch]

thats lower than my monitors refresh rate

[shy tulip]

You could also enable vsync and let it do it itself

[summer copper]

vsync 🤮

[bitter mason]

me when I get 1256 fps isntead of 25000000fps

[manic linden]

what to do with operatives that are anxious? leave as is for now ?

when to rotate/replace ?

[bitter mason]

well the cheap solution is to just go do a run on gas less lethal and you will fix all mental health issues
though I assume you can just swap them out or send them to therapy

Idk tho I dont play commander mode

[manic linden]

is there anything else aside from online and commander mode?

i cant send them to therapy when theyre anxious so i assume its not something i should care about

[summer copper]

practice mode

[summer copper]

rotate if they get stressed but i've seen officers go from content to resigned in one mission

[manic linden]

not sure what the lad meant when he said he doesnt play commander mode haha

i was wondering what other modes have staff management

[summer copper]

oh practice mode doesn't have staff management

[manic linden]

the spider mission is a steep curve ball in difficulty in single player mode lol

[summer copper]

yeah it's really an awkward building

[manic linden]

pre 1.0 it was such an easy mission. my fav. but its awkward steering the ai

not excited about the 2 conspiracy theroists missions with ai lol. bet they didnt program any functions to clear trapped doors

[summer copper]

it is mega easy to clear the trap from a door

just peek the door and then look at the wire, take your multitool out when it prompts you and cut it

[manic linden]

oh i know yeah. i was thinking more about AI breaching a door

without checking hahaha

[summer copper]

well if you tell them to blow up the door without checking and it happens to be trapped

[manic linden]

no mate, like u cant tell them to check is what i mean

[bitter mason]

Yeah I play on practice, I've said it many times but the name of the mode is misleading. RN its just an alternative way to play single player without the annoying squad management and you can restart a mission whenever. You still unlock and progress as normal
and yeah the mission order is really dumb, random difficulty spikes

[manic linden]

so u can still unlock the skins even on practice mode ?

[vocal night]

everything is the same except you cant customize your squad

also you can just restart from esc menu

[manic linden]

oh man what a waste of time commander mode is then lol

what the fuck are those design choices

[vocal night]

iirc default squad doesnt have any rifles

[stable kernel]

You can customize your squad in practice and commander mode, but cannot do so with presets

[vocal night]

you can?

actually now that i think about it i never tried it

[bitter mason]

yep

[bitter mason]

You can change their loadouts and cosmetics. There is just no skill bonuses for any of them

its also the set roster of the classic squad from early access
Prescott, Eli, King and Swan
Really wished they just didnt bother making commander mode the focus and just characterise the old guys into a story more

like they probably initially planned

speaking of which, ends of the earth briefing mentioning the ||mother having cancer. Then in game a swat officer when in the mothers room can say "Must be cancer..." Like did bro just skip the briefing?||

[summer copper]

it's the way the game is meant to be played the first time

[bitter mason]

Honestly I just think commander mode is really bad lol

Doesnt work well with how trial and error this game is and just becomes more tedious

[floral osprey]

whats the arguably strongest shotgun

its for doom purposes trust me

[vocal night]

i dont think its arguable since one of the shotguns is both semi automatic and holds +1 shell compared to the rest

i dont remember which one tho

[floral osprey]

m1014?

man im tryna find a gun where you can just go guns blazing for funny reasons

so far im having difficulties

[daring flame]

wonder which dev had the bright idea to add ambient gunshots to a map even after you've cleared all suspects

[frail quartz]

Just another day in Los Suenos

[floral osprey]

5 suspects found with exposed skull on the crime scene

4 others found still dead

[frail quartz]

What a twist, the suspects were skeletons in disguise the whole time!

[floral osprey]

thank god Los Suenos forces keep discovering these criminals

[daring flame]

when will swat ai auto restrain civs/suspects? shit is annoying having to run through the same map to find one civ

[pallid ivy]

they do that

[daring flame]

most of the time its because they pepperball a suspect and let him wave his hands in the air for 5 minutes while they stand around

[bitter mason]

They will auto arrest them when they're close by but sometimes they just refuse to

you can order them to do it manually just to make sure
though sometimes they just refuse to do that aswell

[daring flame]

yeah why?

[lean laurel]

Once I order the civ/criminal then one of the team members say they are on it

[native rune]

Because game works 10/10

[floral osprey]

What's the point of smgs if assault rifles just tend to do everything better.

Not saying they are completely useless, just wanna know why should I take for example mp7 over lvar

[native rune]

I’m no real life guns expert, but I would suppose the only major benefit is the short length being easy to use in tight areas. But like in real life assault rifles are basically replacing that need by being shorter themselves

[summer copper]

mp7 has extremely low recoil, very short gun, very fast fire rate

[native rune]

I guess it’s the fault of a changing environment, smgs are not as competitive or useful as they may have been previously

[floral osprey]

so just in general assault rifles are better

Since armor pen allows use of jhp

Speaking of which, what's your preference?

[native rune]

I prefer AP, better for basically every map after the first two or three

You’ll never go in wishing you brought jhp

[summer copper]

never used jhp in 60 hours of gameplay

[floral osprey]

Fair enough, what guns y'all used anyways

[sharp fable]

Smgs are useless

[summer copper]

usually i use the SA-58 or MCX for assault rifle and then MP7 for smg

[sharp fable]

Shot an unarmoured guy like 12 times

[summer copper]

sounds like you missed, not gonna lie

[sharp fable]

Is the mp5 good

[summer copper]

there's 3 mp5s

[sharp fable]

Oh

[floral osprey]

mp5, mp5/10 and..?

[summer copper]

MP5A2 and MP5A3 and MP5/10

[floral osprey]

why are there even 3 mp5s to begin with

[sharp fable]

The normal one, normal one with rails, the one with a straight mag

[summer copper]

because swat used them for years and years

[sharp fable]

And i bet they all suck

Outdated as hell

[summer copper]

skill issue tbh

[sharp fable]

I hate the elephant

[floral osprey]

huh

[floral osprey]

it's not that hard tbf

[sharp fable]

Yeah I didn't know about the bombs first time

[floral osprey]

i just went with my less competent friend

[summer copper]

it's four dudes

[sharp fable]

The bombs though

[floral osprey]

(I am barely competent but sure whatever)

[daring flame]

they're shorter, wont run into a door with them

[floral osprey]

hey @summer copper any tip in the game on guns or in general

[summer copper]

that's why you can look at the briefing beforehand

[daring flame]

that's like asking what's the point of water if soda exists

[summer copper]

practice aiming and recoil control

[floral osprey]

figured out already

[sharp fable]

They're in random spots every time

[south phoenix]

Fr soda is better in every way why we even drinking water🗣️🔥

[daring flame]

there's like 2 spots they can be in

[floral osprey]

what do you usually put on mcx, I wanna try it out later see if it works

[bitter mason]

The timer is pretty long on them
I never had them get close to going off when playing vanilla

[south phoenix]

I want diabetes

[floral osprey]

I got blown up with my friend cause I didn't pay attention 💀

[daring flame]

remember to always kick open a tripwired door with your team behind you

[summer copper]

suppressor, vert grip, laser and whichever optic you like

[bitter mason]

If you kick it hard enough the wire will snap and the trap is disarmed

[floral osprey]

alright thank you, I'll try it out later tomorrow

[summer copper]

holosight gang where you at

[floral osprey]

holosight goated though ngl

[south phoenix]

I got my team to breach a door not knowing it was tripwired and they all fucking blew up besides me😭

[floral osprey]

tried srs wasn't my typw

[floral osprey]

So I can just kick a door open and not get blown up?

[bitter mason]

definitely

[daring flame]

ES

yes

[south phoenix]

Bro I’ve kicked open doors and gotten blown up

[floral osprey]

That's gonna be a fun experiment

[summer copper]

for the love of god, do not kick a trapped door open

[floral osprey]

well that ruins my plans for tomorrow

[daring flame]

i kicked open a tripwired door cause i couldnt mute the people i was playing with

swat on the walls

[summer copper]

here, there and everywhere

[floral osprey]

sounds like a bluish black wall paint

What's the best non-lethal option if I wanna try doing s ranks

[sharp fable]

Non lethal guns

[floral osprey]

Like what

[sharp fable]

Paintball gun

Beanbag gun

[floral osprey]

I mean I know there's 3 but 2 can be countered by masks and 1 is lethal sorta and is pump action

[sharp fable]

Are you playing with ai

[floral osprey]

I mean I might use ai

I figured giving ai beanbag is a terrible idea.

[sharp fable]

Give one team a paintball gun and the other the shotgun

[bitter mason]

They shouldnt kill as much with beanbags now
But I still just give em all pepperballs and I use a beanbag if Im going full ltl

[daring flame]

hot spicy pepperballs exploding in your face

[midnight moon]

Anybody down to be in a video(s)?? we would be completing the Game (tactically) - (matching outfits)

[bitter field]

Having trouble with some certain suspects on neon. Always one that never surrenders despite the amount of beanbags, tazes, bashes and pepper. What's the strat I'm missing?

Gas helps most of the time, but there is always this one guy that refuses and explodes no matter what

[daring flame]

explodes?

pretty sure they're supposed to give up after you spam f a couple times

then again this is a early acce- 1.0 release

[shadow ether]

Trying to S rank the voll mansion will be the end of me one day

[dreamy garden]

always double back when you reach 2nd floor area overlooking pool

and clear from the stairs near the start

[bitter mason]

Saw some ppl say you have to keep your distance for the bomb vest guys to surrender due to a bug or something
You could try that

[dreamy garden]

itll be so much easier to handle

it attracts a couple of guards into that big open 2nd floor area

[shadow ether]

That's not the problem, the problem is mr. John Wick on the second floor who one taps someone on his way no matter the flashbangs, beanbags and doors

[dreamy garden]

Near volls office?

[shadow ether]

Yes

Somewhere in that area, every time

[dreamy garden]

I guess gas

blocks their pathfinding but not sight

[shadow ether]

I think he doesn't believe in gas, we tried

[dreamy garden]

Got any clips? so I can get a reference

[shadow ether]

No, we can try getting some

Gas works unreliably by itself, we've had guys disregard gas and walk right through it numerous times

[humble prairie]

Every time I join the watchmenwakeupYT server I quit the game and play something else

[dreamy garden]

download in game menu

on nexus mods
or take it upon yourself to crash his game

[dreamy garden]

Yeah nothing at all works reliably

Literally just hopes and prayers

[shadow ether]

Stingers seem to be much more consistent

[dreamy garden]

some suspects will literally eat a 40mm flashbang round like its a cinnamon bun and then 1 tap you

the round just despawns

[dreamy garden]

It does some damage to them too

Not sure if its the same as flash though

[shadow ether]

Maybe it does but I've never had an injury with stingers, not even as one went off right at someone's feet

Maybe it can drop someone if they are already hurt

[bitter field]

Will do. Appreciate it!

[vocal night]

can ai complete a mission on their own?

after i die

[crude prism]

in practice mode yes, not for commander

[vocal night]

from what ive seen they cant complete objectives tho can they?

other than bring order to chaos and cuffing civs

[craggy yew]

Collect loose evidence

Like dropped guns

Not soft objectives though sadly

[midnight moon]

Anybody down to be in a video(s)?? we would be completing the Game (tactically) - (matching outfits)

[stone bay]

Does any element of stealth exist in the game?

Weather I'm crouching or walking slowly, the AI seem to immediately know where I am and come running from a corner at 100 Miles Per hour to immediately shoot me with pinpoint accuracy

[shadow ether]

I don't think the game is built for stealth unless you wanna F rank it, it is absolutely required to scream at people before you shoot even LTL weapons, and silencers work like in real life — as in, everyone hears you anyway, just not from the next zipcode

[vocal night]

you can dome people in the back of the head and not get unauthorised use of force

its not implemented very well

[stone bay]

I figured as much,
stealth aside, the AI feel like left 4 dead

it's like as soon as you touch the area of operation, they just come sprinting at you, guns immediately at you, not even the AI teammates lol

[shadow ether]

If they shot first, then yeah, but at that point what kind of stealth is it

[vocal night]

not if they shot first

they can literally be wandering around with their gun down

[shadow ether]

Never had that happen and I tried

[vocal night]

in fact shouting makes you get a lot more - from unauthorised use of force because you sometimes shoot them as they are 0.001ms into their surrender animation

[stable kernel]

It does exist, but implemented in a not obvious way. At the start of the map suspects are completely unaware. Any shooting, shouting, footsteps from low ready walking or regular walking outside of slow walking, or use of equipment within a range increases suspect stress, until it gets high enough that they raise their weapons and either sit still or run at you. To get them to go back, you need to wait (iirc) 1.5-2 minutes before they forget about you.

It is better to sometimes go to another part of the map when a group gets alerted towards your location

[frail quartz]

I mean, I killed a suspect when they just started entering their surrender animation once and I didn't get penalized for it

[vocal night]

yeah thats a bit inconsistent too

[mossy hatch]

there seems to be a gap

[vocal night]

but overall you get more - if you actually shout at people before killing them

[shadow ether]

I had that happen exactly once and I run full lethal most of the time

I dunno what it is with your game but neither of these things seem to happen with me

[vocal night]

i should say this is also my personal experience but i dont seem to get - from unauthorised use of force even if i dont shout at anyone

[stone bay]

Are non lethal rifles even good,
I can't imagine actually using it lol

[mossy hatch]

if you shoot them during the transition you may not get unauthorized but if you wait a sec then shoot its unauthorized. iirc (as long as they haven't changed anything) you can basically dead check them as you are still taking them down, but if you pause, then dead check them it will be unauthorized

[vocal night]

they are if you want to get S rank

[frail quartz]

I don't have much experience using them since I find the beanbag to be easier to get people to surrender with

[shadow ether]

It's very much possible if they shot first at any point, that's how I sometimes do my extra lethal runs

Trick them into shooting and unload into them

[frail quartz]

The VKS takes more shots to force people to surrender, but it's definitely a lot more forgiving than the beanbag if you miss

[mossy hatch]

authorized unauthorized mod ftw

[frail quartz]

I prefer the 'Based TOC' mod that replaces his ROE violation lines with congratulation ones

[mossy hatch]

lol but score would still be messed up, no?

[shadow ether]

On maps without glass or long range areas they're good
On maps with it they suck

[mossy hatch]

I use the new shadow company voice mod where roe violation is just a bodycam beep I think. In conjunction with "no mercy" mod

[frail quartz]

Yes, but I prefer the positive reaffirment

[stone bay]

I enjoyed the AI overhaul mod but it invalidated my score, so does that mean I can't unlock cosmetics?

[frail quartz]

I'm pretty sure the "modded score" label doesn't actually do anything

[shadow ether]

I've been unlocking cosmetics with mods, but not achievements

[mossy hatch]

you can still unlock cosmetics fsho, maybe just achievments that you can't get

[stone bay]

Oh, that's it?
I WAS WORRIED FOR NOTHING

re-installing

[mossy hatch]

lol

[stone bay]

I could care less about some trophies, I'm not an achievement hunter so I'm solid

[mossy hatch]

^

[frail quartz]

Nah, I've been getting achievements just fine

[shadow ether]

Screw the cheevos tho, who needs them when I got 50 flashbangs in my rotary grenade launcher for each person on the team

[mossy hatch]

gotcha, didn't know about that one

[stone bay]

I need a mod that puts a hip chorssiars reticle on my screen

[midnight moon]

Anybody down to be in a video(s)?? we would be completing the Game (tactically) - (matching outfits)

[mossy hatch]

lmao, just learn where the center is

[frail quartz]

MUH REALISM! ! ! ! !

[stone bay]

Yeah, I rely on the laser pointer a lot

[frail quartz]

Just be constantly ADS'd like me

[mossy hatch]

idk if you use gunfighter but that would take out some of the sway variance

[daring flame]

not if you use the magnum :^)

[mossy hatch]

its easy to canted aim/point shoot with that

I've never used the magnum so idk, lol

[midnight moon]

nobody??? alright i'll comeback in 20 mins

[daring flame]

the magnum has terrible sway

for no reason it's like judge doesnt bother to not sway it

[mossy hatch]

unmodified sway? is it worse?

[daring flame]

yeah aiming down sights while moving with it is impossible to shoot

[mossy hatch]

gotcha, I knew atleast the tazer still had sway with GF

[shadow ether]

Shotguns are messy af

[mossy hatch]

insert Clint Smith quote here

[stone bay]

Could you still headshot a hostage holder with a shotgun or is that just free civilian kill lol

[mossy hatch]

“Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, the right load at the right range will physically remove a chunk from your opponent and throw it on the floor behind him, and you will have to get someone to come clean it up with a shovel.”

[stone bay]

I love shotguns

[mossy hatch]

if you had slugs maybe you could take out a hostage taker

[daring flame]

oh the magnum sway is with gunfighter

[stone bay]

Literally modern muskets

Timeless formula

[shadow ether]

Running with SMGs I tend to get suspects injured most of the time
Rifles get half of them killed but half of them make it
Shotguns just straight up tear limbs off them or behead them

[mossy hatch]

I typically run 5.56 HP's and aim head/neck level, accounting for height over bore

[stone bay]

I run APs because my real life DNA tells me HPs are no good for body armor

At the expense of doming somebody a room over lol

[shadow ether]

"TOC, this is entry team, can't handcuff a suspect, their other hand is in next room now"

[daring flame]

just change your ammo based on the mission

not every suspect in the game wears armor

[mossy hatch]

As someone said a longtime ago in this DC, "aim for the pelvic girdle" if you run HPs or a shotgun, that is and you don't wanna go for heads/neck

[daring flame]

highly unlikely you're going to shoot through a wall and kill a civvy anyways

[shadow ether]

I take APs for armor and JHPs for the rest of the missions
Sometimes I take a JHP SMG and AP pistol if I'm not sure

[mossy hatch]

I see it happen alot during MP, someone with AP usually ends up smoking a civvy thru the wall

[daring flame]

yeah cause most people just shoot shoot shoot

[mossy hatch]

yup

[stone bay]

Do the devs of this game keep it flowing with major updates every now and then? Or is this just in maintenance mode at this point

[shadow ether]

There is a roadmap

[mossy hatch]

NGL as soon as I see someone using full auto I judge the shit out of them (smg's MAYBE get an exception)

[stone bay]

Yeah I never go full auto

No reason

[mossy hatch]

its like picking fuze on hostage in the good ol days of r6

[shadow ether]

I had to run full auto g36 in club neon, relapse and the cult map

[frail quartz]

Sometimes I'm able to complete missions without ever changing my magazine

[shadow ether]

If you don't full auto them, you get shot before you can get a second shot off

[mossy hatch]

now thats crazy

[frail quartz]

to be fair its mostly because my ai teammates do most of the work

[mossy hatch]

lmao, ok then makes sense

[frail quartz]

sooooo not as impressive

[mossy hatch]

half the time I'm going solo cause I can't stand micromanaging the AI. the other half is playing with randoms cause its fun and adds another challenge

[stone bay]

AI teammates are pretty cool, reminds me of a less complicated SOCOM US NAVY SEALS

The only thing I wish they could do is clear the entire building by themself lol (get good moment)

[mossy hatch]

yup

[tawny scroll]

o-O

[stone bay]

Making commands from room to room

I guess that's part of the charm at the same time

[mossy hatch]

Stack up, breach, clear, stack up, open, breach and clear

[stone bay]

Yeah, literally

[mossy hatch]

Id rather just pie the door and flow in

is there even a way to get the Ais to do a center step/Pie, or do they just flow in, haven't used them ina while

[stone bay]

I'm not sure personally, but that'd be nice

[frail quartz]

I mean, yeah, there's an option in the menu to make them pie a door

They also automatically pie if you order them to clear rooms without throwing grenades in

[mossy hatch]

but from a stack? if so my b then I just haven't checked.

[mossy hatch]

Gotcha

[daring flame]

this micspammer has been in this game for 5 months

nice to see devs have no implementation of a kick system in their roadmap

keep in mind this guy is doing this in multiple games

not just ready or not

[copper cypress]

Do you guys think bulletproof shields are useful?

My teammates holding shields were still killed for unknown reasons ==

[ionic gale]

I’m kind of in the process of getting SWAT 4 thru GOG but I ain’t got that rn 😔

I wanna play that game with the elite force mod because it looks cool

[ionic gale]

I mean like

How are your teammates playing?

Also are the suspects like using rifles, and other crap like that?

are your teammates like getting hit in areas that the shield does not cover like your legs?

[daring flame]

gotta crouch when using a shield

[ionic gale]

Yeah, your legs could get hit

I mostly just use the mirror gun

I don’t really use it in solo because I’m like the only person in my team that can actually think for themselves obviously

[daring flame]

i stopped using mirror gun alot when i had suspects open the door on me

[ionic gale]

I dont trust my AI teammates to reliably, give me information with the mirror gun

I feel like that with the mirror, gun, AI teammates kinda can give almost false reports or something like that

[daring flame]

ai teammates can use mirror gun?

[ionic gale]

I mean like if you equip the mirror, gun gun for them and you basically ask them to mirror the door. Yeah they could use it.

[vocal agate]

it has been like this since at least EA release

[ionic gale]

I only used it like once tho

I kinda do want to try out the “classic” version of this game

That is, of course SWAT 4

It’s old but I’m sure that it’s gold

I was also planning to install the elite force mod because it’s like the most popular for that game

[shadow ether]

In multiplayer they were for me, a lot

[ionic gale]

The last time I was using a shield was when I was with this random, who had a mic and we were constantly dying due to the paramilitary guys in the old version of carriers of the vine

I swear we were like going against damn ex navy seals

[shadow ether]

Elite force is so good Void got the dev hired for RoN

[ionic gale]

:o

I can’t get the game anywhere else but GOG tho I’m sure

It seems like the most legal and safe way to get the game

[shadow ether]

I mean you're not that far off
The current version has some of the suspects as ex-CIA

[ionic gale]

Like there was one run we were doing where we literally got like clipped before we even entered the courtyard

It was practically like the start of the mission, and I’m guessing an enemy saw us from a balcony and clipped us

If he was the one who took that shot on the silly Osama man… I wouldn’t be surprised

[vocal agate]

i remember the very first early access version of the game where you could get domed before even racking the slide on the meth house

[shadow ether]

Lmao

[vocal agate]

for some reason they decided it'd be a great idea to have a suspect patrol the area very close to the spawn

[ionic gale]

Don’t do drugs kids

No, it’s not because you’re gonna end up homeless and in the streets… it’s because the meth in you is going to turn your aim into ex SAS

[vocal agate]

damn, now i do want to do drugs

[shadow ether]

You got one thing wrong

This... is not meth

meth house loads up on experimental MK Hyper combat stims

[ionic gale]

23 Park Homes is scary

you have a bunch of druggies, aiming shotguns at you while ur in a very dark house

[shadow ether]

NVGs and flashlights are very good

[ionic gale]

Yee

when C2

Do you all use C2?

I haven’t really used it

[shadow ether]

I never use C2 lol

[woven shoal]

Yeah.

[copper cypress]

I have no idea. I wasn't paying attention to what my teammates were doing😂

[daring flame]

anybody else have a bug where they cant hear other peoples comms

[ionic gale]

boom

[woven shoal]

Yes.

[ionic gale]

Me when a meth head tanks my entire magazine of 5.56

[dusky epoch]

Mine go bbbboooooommmmm

[inland wolf]

whatever void did to remedy the "too easy" issue

should be undone

[frail quartz]

Sometimes when the door gets in the way of a flashbang throw

(And also just to disorient suspects if they're in too inconvenient of a position)

[south phoenix]

POST OFFICE IS GONNA MAKE ME SAY THE FUCKING N WORD

[stone bay]

maybe don't do that

[daring flame]

say it

[ionic gale]

nutella

[dusky epoch]

No no nagger

[ionic gale]

Day 572879393994+e waiting for the G36C to have a holographic sight (and for the kfc potato wedges to come back 😔)

[stone bay]

does anyone know if ready or not is going to have a sale anytime soon

[prime wing]

there was one around 3-2 weeks ago

[vocal agate]

1984

[prime wing]

So I would expect around a month for it to go back on sale

Spring sale maybe

[vocal agate]

5% sale hell yeah

[ionic gale]

Ngl…

MW2 (2022) was the last campaign that was fun

MW3’s campaign sucked booty cheeks

[vocal agate]

the last campaign? there was literally only a single cod game after that

also unrelated to ron discussion

[ionic gale]

Yee :-:

Just wanted to briefly mention it, because yk

Also, I’m still butt hurt about Activision Blizzard acquiring irrational games…

Ready or not is our SWAT 5

since irrational games is pretty much dead ;-;

I feel sad all of a sudden lol

[past warren]

Just did no armor, no equipment, pacifist, pepper rifle run on gas station

[ionic gale]

[earnest phoenix]

god i wish it was

[daring flame]

civilian mode

[stone bay]

Thanks for telling me I can still unlock cosmetics with mods, now, I'm the happiest I've ever been

[vocal agate]

btw there were some mentions of civilians packing, but i figure they refused from that idea later cuz it'd be too confusing

[daring flame]

civilians do pack

[stone bay]

When I go on multiplayer my mods ago away tho right?

[daring flame]

only if you join another persons yes

[vocal agate]

no but there will be some problems with some mods so you should disable checksum

[daring flame]

this watchmen dude is still in the game holy shit

[vocal agate]

I have FISA to FBI replacer and it works fine

[vocal agate]

spam chemlights and mags

make him a christmas tree

🎄

[vocal agate]

AI overhauls and such are host dependant though

[glass ether]

I love how the dlc items are locked behind one very easily deletable setting

[vocal agate]

I disabled checksum just for lulz and I joined a lobby where the dude had a zombie mod or something

basically all suspects had knives and they were all rushing you, they had like 400 hp (took 2-3 shots from 7.62 to the head to take them out), and there were like 60 of them on the gas station

to make things better he didn't warn about this before

[vocal agate]

yeah the client doesn't even check with the server whether you have the item in the game or not

learned the hard way not to delete configs since the progression is stored there

[past warren]

Did it with a Glock too so it’s actual civilian mode

[stone bay]

Oh really? How do you disable?

And if I disabled checksum, would I be opening myself up to somebody who can host something malicious?

[daring flame]

why the fuck can gas kill you

[daring flame]

i joined a lobby and some guys player model was taking up the whole hq and lagging the lobby

[vocal agate]

in the settings, the very first tab (just scroll down)

[vocal agate]

don't think so, the most malicious thing you could get is an IP grabber

other than that, probably no, because you don't download anything with checksum disabled

[vocal agate]

they call him The Gun

[foggy patrol]

Is there anyway to play modded maps in multiplayer?

[tacit gull]

Yes, everyone in the lobby needs to have the same map

[foggy patrol]

Shame RON don't have auto download for mod...

[vocal agate]

i do not wish to download over 20 gigabytes of maps when i join a random lobby

[shy tulip]

(The engine also requires you to restart the game when mods are added for them to apply)

[foggy patrol]

I understand that but there isn't a way to play mod maps online without 4+ friends online. Got all map S already🙁

[shy tulip]

You can use the channels here to find players and specify mods + what map, such as #🔎looking-for-players or #📌unit-promo

[daring flame]

too much work

[tacit gull]

You can't host modded lobbies publically, no, you need to get a bunch of people together
I really recommend SW4T Or Not, gorgeous remakes with a lot of cool features aswell as Sanctum's Deceit, which is a crazy detailed modded map with really cool setpieces and a killer atmosphere

[stone bay]

I'll check it out, sounds fun

I found a mod that replaces all in game music with cyberpunk music

Actually pretty badass lol

[tacit gull]

The music is probably the one thing i wouldn't want replaced, Zack really killed it with the sound

[shy tulip]

You can host public modded lobbies easily, every mod besides gameplay overhauls and maps will be fine to play with randoms.

Well gameplay overhauls such as gunfighter that changes your speed.

[tacit gull]

My bad, i meant to say public modded map lobbies

Also i wonder, if you play with a mod that changes ROE does the end score only apply to you?

[dim cairn]

I don't really get the appeal of modded maps tbh, there's not many good ones out as far as I can see rn

[copper cypress]

If I kill two cuffed suspects, will I be attacked by the SWAT AI?

[tacit gull]

I'd say some of them are better than base game maps

[dim cairn]

I haven't personally seen any I'd consider better

[dim cairn]

Yeah probably

[tacit gull]

You'll be attacked by swat ai if you execute cuffed suspects

[tacit gull]

Try sanctum's deceit

[copper cypress]

What about using pepper spray?

[tacit gull]

You'll get penalised but not killed

[copper cypress]

Nice

[tacit gull]

Even if you pepper or tase SWAT they wont retaliate

(unless they die i think)

[raven cradle]

sorry guys, been out of it for a while. Is the AI back to having reasonable responses to flashes & surrendor commands?

[tacit gull]

no

It got acknowledged that they fight too much in the newsletter

[earnest phoenix]

ok cool but when are they actually gonna do something about it

[tacit gull]

never because void considers the aggressiveness of the ai good as is

[stone bay]

ai using tasers and pepper spray and non lethal tacticals..
Oh i woke up from my dream

[bitter mason]

Ai mod I've been using actually gives the mindjot guards tasers sometimes lol

[tacit gull]

lmao which one is that

Also if that is a thing why the fuck do the debanco guards just not have it?

[earnest phoenix]

they dont want to make suspects and civilians shoot each other because muh S rank but giving some guards tasers would allow for so much more dynamic while not screwing over people trying to S rank

[stone bay]

hm i was thinkin more along the lines of teammate ai but this sounds interesting too

[earnest phoenix]

having the mentioned debanco guy on gas station apprehend even one of the suspects would be so cool .to see

[winged burrow]

how do I fix an issue I'm having with ingame vc I just cant hear my teammates

[craggy yew]

Is your headset configured correctly in settings?

[tacit gull]

Ask them to speak in team chat

[earnest phoenix]

are there any reuploads of old farm

[stone bay]

I gave every single teammate a beanbag shotgun and they just say "fuck it" and ice the criminal with their glock

😂

AI teammates is like "some jobs you just gotta do yourself"

[tacit gull]

Not yet, i dont even think they got old hotel working either

[bitter mason]

Astrals revamped ai

[tacit gull]

Is it any good? I've been using figtree's and gunpowdah, how does it compare?

[bitter mason]

It makes suspects hide again. Like in closets and stuff
They can still be quite deadly on the maps they should be deadly on but it's generally easier to arrest suspects. Especially ones that should be easier to arrest
I quite like it
Even makes it so traps can be placed at the top of a doorway which is pretty cool. But swat ai can't disarm those ones

[tacit gull]

How the hell does it do that?

[bitter mason]

Even gives some gasmasks on levels that make sense
Like ides of march

Idk it's magic

[tacit gull]

hey man i wouldn't mind another shotgun trap jumpscare

[bitter mason]

Suspects flee more as well I'm pretty sure
Few maps they have a good chance of spawning unarmed.
Ends of the earth actually plays like it should for the most part

[tacit gull]

I really think maps should have gun stashes or just guns lying about in certain places that suspects would run for

[bitter mason]

Yeah agreed

[tacit gull]

But of course we have that ancient ass mechanic of gun securing forced on us so that would be annoying

[bitter mason]

I don't think it would be too bad if it was on the objective list and only on specific maps

I can see it being used on ends of the earth and twisted nerve
Maybe even Brixely can grab that handgun that's on his desk

[tacit gull]

yeah what the fuck is up with that

You have a briefcase filled with money AND a gun and you dont report either?

[bitter mason]

"toc, bagging it up"

[tacit gull]

bagging up the barge

[bitter mason]

Not to mention all the implied cp images on the desk too

[tacit gull]

the dolls are so fucking stupid lmao

[bitter mason]

Oh yeah speaking of bagging
Weren't void gonna change the evidence collect model
I thought they said the weeny little baggie was a placeholder

[bitter mason]

Nono but don't you seeee it's environmental story telling!
(Sarcasm)

[tacit gull]

We were supposed to have gun clearing animations, aswell as all of the new intro animations, knife animations

[bitter mason]

You mean those knife animations where suspects would be doing crazy stunts haha

[tacit gull]

Still would be better than that postal 2 looking ass running animation

[bitter mason]

Postal dude suspect when

[tacit gull]

Bro pulls out the grenade instead of the gun when suiciding

[bitter mason]

"I regret nothing"
Kills the whole team because the explosion radius is too big

[tacit gull]

If he's playing on enhanced mode he hits you with that nuke grenade

[bitter mason]

Void make it happen

[tacit gull]

We already have a piss shader, we're good to go

[bitter mason]

💯

[tacit gull]

But for real though the running animation on civilians and the fucking pepper spray animation are kinda embarrasing

They look so out of place with not only the other animations but the smoothness of most of the game

[bitter mason]

Yeah. I always felt most civ and suspect animations look kinda bad
Especially the stun ones

And the fact there isnt different surrender ones depending on the suspects stun just making it look weird and janky

[stable lagoon]

Gun go weeeeeeee!

I'm glad it auto-secures guns that end up out of reach.

[bitter mason]

Yeah but the fact they can still clip through the floor is crazy

The physics are all over the damn place. Doors go flying and bounce around the room if you blow them off with c2
Ragdolls still flop about when youre not looking and can end up in different spots

[stable lagoon]

Dude! I love the bouncy doors it's so fucking dumb.

[bitter mason]

Theyve nearly got me killed at times when breaching lol

[stone bay]

honestly the animations in this game look kinda wacky

ragdolls are infinitely better than death animations

[manic linden]

how to get the ai to not shoot a target that we need to arrest. for example, spider mission

for example, i find that when im getting the ai to cover a door, the bald loser always runs out with a revolver and dies instantly