👮ron-discussion

[tacit gull]

I don't see why they didn't just make rifles be slower to aim or lag behind when aiming or have huge recoil or something and SMG's would be the solution to that so you'd have breachers with highly maneuvrable pistol caliber guns and you'd have others with rifles and the such promoting more specialisation in your kit

[crude prism]

SMGs are great, and then you get hit in the arm once and the game becomes unplayable

[craggy yew]

Do you think that Gerard Scott took inspiration from Ted kazinsky or was the ready or not’s version of the unabomber

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that they used ruby ridge as inspiration for lethal obsession yes

[craggy yew]

But the raid was necessary and done correctly

[tacit gull]

Don't mention what happened at that one compound on the subreddit

[craggy yew]

Kinda like carriers of the vine but necessary

[crude prism]

when do we get the tanks

I wanna roll up to the hood with an M60

do me a Waco on 213

[tacit gull]

Considering how """"underfunded"""" the LSPD is it's most likely coming with the first dlc

[craggy yew]

“Knock knock Voll”

[crude prism]

woe, HEAT be upon ye

[craggy yew]

Woe depleted uranium round upon ye

[willow kraken]

Remember when VOID published a devlog dedicated to Waco and visiting the site? That shit was weird as hell

[crude prism]

I mean?

It's certainly 'relevant' to the history of policing

[craggy yew]

More like history of government oopsies

COUGH COUGH FISA

[ionic gale]

0-0

[willow kraken]

Yeaaah but spending money just to go to a vacant lot? It's like if a dev making a game about the War in Afghanistan went to the WTC memorial and made a whole thing about it

[ionic gale]

I don’t know why the FISA commander in Port Hokan was being a little bit suspicious ;-:

[crude prism]

touches ground where the compound used to be

Something terrible happened here

[tacit gull]

The worst part is that nothing that was highlighted in that newsletter is anywhere near the game

[ionic gale]

Waco was something else bruh ;2;

Big fuck up on the US government ;-:

but also like the cult too

[crude prism]

Relevant, I recently worked with one of the ATF guys that got shot at Waco. The subject was beat to death on all sides for him

Those convos didn't last long lul

[stone bay]

about mods, do yall use any voiceover reppacement mods

[ionic gale]

I think both sides were wrong… but I guess the only true victims were the women and children who kind of expired during that entire incident

But I don’t really feel like getting into that rn because I would go on an entire spiel ;-;

[crude prism]

If only they had tanks to defend themselves with

government playing unfair again

medicinal abrams please

[craggy yew]

Femboy TOC

[ionic gale]

Why shouldn’t I have a F 22 for acre defense?

I mean the McDonald’s paycheck that I’m living off of probably won’t pay for a multimillion dollar jet but you know :>

[stone bay]

christ almighty

[craggy yew]

Bi sexuality hit like a truck

[willow kraken]

The name is clickbait, it's actually not bad because he uses real police brevity codes, but he is a twink yes

[craggy yew]

Mmmmmmmm twink

[ionic gale]

Honestly, imagine somebody made a suit and tie cosmetic

I would definitely have that because well I need it for a certain character of mine ;/;

[willow kraken]

Someone is making that, there were some screens posted in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[ionic gale]

YAY where?

I mean, like what is the Pacific image?

Do you at least know the date it was posted so I can like refer back?

[craggy yew]

friendly fire during valley of the dolls increases by 50%

[ionic gale]

lol yeh

I mean, I kind of like a little custom character in RoN

He’s like canonically FBI

He wears a dress suit and tie that has his body armor over it, which I mean like

It will be cool if I could replicate it lol

That will be like his like field uniform

[willow kraken]

It was by @glass ether

[ionic gale]

Ohh

[stone bay]

sdassda

anyone here used ready or not here i come?

[ionic gale]

Hey guys are Debanco guards in the game?

They were concept art though, so I don’t know if like they’ll actually come to fruition

[glass ether]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[dusky fjord]

After playing the level hide and seek, I have a suspicion the FISA voice, whatever his position of power is, is in on the human trafficking

I also think he’s a massive boner

[stone bay]

lol

[dusky fjord]

If he’s ever put in a level I will give him the Amos voll treatment I.E. point blank him with the FAL

[ionic gale]

In fact there, there is really weird glitch. that my gun malfunctions when around Voll

The malfunction is that I accidentally mag dump him

[dusky fjord]

Damn you too

[ionic gale]

That wasn’t my fault. I think I just got a crappy MK 18 that mission

[dusky fjord]

That’s nuts I thought it was just me

My fal always bugs out and zeros right onto his noggin

And just

Goes off

[ionic gale]

Do you just casually shoot off his manhood sometimes?

I have shot him the crotch many times because I don’t think he really deserves to have a wee wee after knowing what he’s doing in the dingy basement

[dusky fjord]

No, but that’s a good idea thought

I also have the gunfighter mod, so I have frags technically

Usually I just put cuffs on him and send him to the deepest, blackest part of hell

[versed trail]

wtf guys is it me or something exploded on park homes?? I was in this meth lab there was 2 guys i incapacitated them all and then something exploded. Are there barrels or smth like that? I left my AI at start of map and I only had flashbangs. (it also killed incapacitated suspects)

[native rune]

There are explosive hazardous elements near the meth lab yes, I think it’s one or more of the tanks

They tend to go off if I throw a grenade into the room, but I have yet to see anyone be harmed by them so I’m not sure if they actually serve any true hazard.

[versed trail]

didnt know that

after it exploded i literally shot every barrel on map lmao

[ionic gale]

boom

[native rune]

A far cry from the “I ain’t going back to jail !!” guy who shoots the explosive and nukes the whole room in the trailer

[ionic gale]

Yee

[crude prism]

more environmental considerations please

[earnest phoenix]

swat 4 had those on some maps they were so cool

[ionic gale]

Oh yeah the Children of Taronne Tenement map

[crude prism]

smoke alarms when explosives are used, sprinklers for appropriate maps, more hazardous material on maps with like meth and stuff

[umbral oar]

i had a dream where my settings saved in ron

specifically the replay

[crude prism]

erm, that's a devastatingly high expectation there

[native rune]

-Doesn’t think to add a setting to turn it on or off
-doesn’t add one for weeks
-adds it, the setting is buggered

[crude prism]

i still can't save my video settings and stuff in game

being trolled

[native rune]

But no please, take more of my money

[ionic gale]

Me when G36C gets a holographic sight (I’m delusional)

[little pond]

you would not make a good swat officer irl

being incredibly self restrained is vital no matter the circumstance

[ionic gale]

Yeah ik 😔

I’ll get like fired before my first assignment

[craggy yew]

“Oh man guys our body cameras glitched out and turned off by themselves and Voll pulled out a gun and shot himself”

[ionic gale]

Yeahh ;-:

also, like I think, ready or not…

I think it’s sort of like made me actually like start using semi automatic and most games, even if it’s not tactical

Arcade shooters that is a different story because of course I’m going to switch on the full auto mode

Yeah, like I pretty much like never used my guns full auto capabilities

One reason is because I don’t want to accidentally have stupid recoil and accidentally cap a noncombatant

I also like having ammo, so you know

[jaunty jacinth]

im playing hide and seek, and I did the search and secure command. and I have these random ai teammates that weren't there before carrying bodies around. They aren't on my team but they're swat.

they carry a body to the spawn point then just disappear

[frail quartz]

Honestly, if there's any other game where semi auto is arguably more viable than full auto, I've yet to see it

[vocal night]

those are trailers

i think they start spawning after bring order to chaos is completed

[native rune]

Planetside 2 imposing recoil and artificial bloom on any auto gun the longer it is fired

[hardy plinth]

you can also go to the corpse and blow all the other limbs + face off

go ahead and do it it's legal

[crude prism]

this is the worst mechanic in games and I hate it

[hardy plinth]

would be cool if there's a random chance for your gun to jam during prolonged automatic fire, idk

I also don't know how often this happens with law enforcement firearms

[ionic gale]

I mean like we had the clearing jam animation in the trailer, but that wasn’t an actual feature. It was just for the trailer.

I replied to the wrong message lol

[hardy plinth]

nw I get it

[frail quartz]

The devs already said that SWAT weapons wouldn't have jamming, they keep their weapons well maintained

[hardy plinth]

but what if I eat a bag of cheetos over my gun while in the police station

[native rune]

Cheeto dust glove mod

[frail quartz]

As in its a glove covered in cheeto dust or just your bare hands with the fingers covered in cheeto dust?

[bitter mason]

since there are mods that seemingly add cosmetics rather than just replacing now, what happens if someone was to join your game without any of those mods
Would they crash or just see the modded items on the other player as a default item?

[waxen grove]

Once checksum is disabled the mod mismatch has not really done much except silly buggers when someone has a weapon mod that someone else does.

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure it just shows default items

[whole wedge]

Do we know what happened to the old team/pre release team? One collectable from the Gerard scott raid states they may be dead as there’s x’s over two of the faces

[bitter mason]

you have them with you in practice mode. I imagine they were planned to be part of the story but they ended up being replaced by the generic goons you get on commander mode

[whole wedge]

Yea

[bitter mason]

I dont really imagine they put much polish into the actual story

[whole wedge]

I doubt practice is canon

[tacit gull]

Don't worry, their face models show up in commander mode aswell, so it's not like it makes a lick of sense

[whole wedge]

Still a better story than mw3

[bitter mason]

I honestly dont care about current ready or not lore because most of it is just super obscure and no one is really gonna know about it unless they watch the lore videos on youtube

[whole wedge]

Yea it’s all puzzles

[bitter mason]

my hot take, RONs "story" isnt well told

[halcyon otter]

coldest take i've seen in a long time

[whole wedge]

It’s not really a narrative focused game

[willow kraken]

Hot take: I wish the missions were less connected, it makes the world feel smaller

[vale lintel]

una escuadra_

[native rune]

Dude if I just tell one of my teams to hold in front of the garage doors on dealership I can bag like three suspects trying to crawl under it

And go clear the rest of the map with the other half

[silk junco]

BLUEYYYY

[native rune]

Clearly it’s not Bluey wdym

[tawdry nymph]

anyone these days still watch playthroughts?

[dim cairn]

I don't know of any good playthrough people anymore tbh

[tawdry nymph]

meh what defins as a good playthrough?

[foggy zinc]

me personally its good teamwork, comms, nobody dies (friendlies, not enemies)

[native rune]

I feel let’s the let’s play generation of yt is over to be honest but maybe that’s just because I stopped watching them

At least the traditional ones that were very episodic

[tawdry nymph]

well... interesting

[tawdry nymph]

yeah i guess as much too

in any case im trying to make a modded playthrough... and idk if people would be interested

[native rune]

The thing with RoN is that there’s a lot of mods that polarize the experience. It’ll be hard to gather an audience from nothing especially from using niche mods, unless you double down on it like the “X mod completely changes the game” type videos.

[tawdry nymph]

Well I mean it’s just gunfighter. Sniper or not and more slots.

[native rune]

But even then those tend to be one offs

[tawdry nymph]

I’d get rid of more slots to make it fair. But oh well

In any case I can make one that’s not modded and play it as a career mode

[upbeat wadi]

okay so a steam guide to the weapons mentions the m4, ive seen it in others' videos and screenshots

why dont i have it? is it a supporter's edition gun?

[upbeat wadi]

i agree yep
it feels like the same fifteen or so dudes run all the crime in los sueños, which is a little ridiculous

[willow kraken]

If this were a detective game it would make sense but I'd rather it be like SWAT 4 where each mission was its own self-contained story.

[upbeat wadi]

it's not too bad in my opinion but some of it was too much for sure

[summer copper]

really? i like the idea of the story going to multiple different locations to crack down on a specific ring

[upbeat wadi]

213 shouldnt have had the cartel connection, post office shouldnt have been connected to anything either

for starters

[summer copper]

if every level was different in every way then it would all be surface level

by having recurring groups to fight you can build a deeper storyline for each group/mission

[upbeat wadi]

the game keeps telling you the city is drowning in random crime and then you never see any random crime

only shit done by big organized syndicates

[summer copper]

there's a lot of "random crime" missions

the weapons manufacturers, the methheads, the gas station, probably a couple of others

[copper cypress]

I guess what he meant was that a suspect was hiding among a bunch of civilians and suddenly committed a crime randomly😂

[summer copper]

i don't remember, was greased palms a part of the "left behind" group

[summer copper]

lmao

[upbeat wadi]

all connected to something bigger

[night pasture]

No

[summer copper]

what are the methheads connected to

[summer copper]

was it any group (the hand) or just rando domestic terrorists

[upbeat wadi]

cartel

[night pasture]

Mainly cartel but also gas I think

Just a lil bit of gas

[summer copper]

okay fair enough

what are the gas station guys connected to

[night pasture]

Just meth because they got the meth from 213

In the briefing they said that I think

I don’t fucking remember

[summer copper]

they are still separate crimes though

the main point is that you think all of the missions are all connected back to one thing

[mellow valve]

213 and smuggling with a little hint of trafficking

[mellow valve]

elephant

[copper cypress]

Does the suspect's reaction time get faster as the levels go to the later levels?

I see many people on the game comment section complaining about the suspect's reaction time being too fast, but I don't feel it at the moment.

[modern birch]

Did you guys already beat Clemente Hotel in Commander mode? Is it the longest mission, or is there even a longer one?

[copper cypress]

I rarely break in, so not sure if that makes a big difference.

[copper cypress]

What level is that?

[modern birch]

"level"? what kind of "levels" are there?

[copper cypress]

I don’t know. I just joined less than 3 days ago.

[craggy yew]

There’s one level that I bulldoze Voll’s house to the ground

[modern birch]

it's the 13th mission

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨 16 attempts on dat

[tawdry nymph]

is it ok i share my gameplay here?

[modern birch]

😳

[modern birch]

in #🎬ron-clips-and-media I think

[tawdry nymph]

ok

innn any case

im soon to make a playthrough say so the boys starts shooting

[tawny scroll]

https://youtu.be/J_6zjKqHa94?si=Fj6fxLOeySREPfjq
in 90s gear

[modern birch]

24 minutes OOOOF okay! Now I can at least plan ahead on how much time I need xD Thanks

[modern birch]

what's "PASGT"?

[tired vessel]

does anyone know why the flashlight on the VKS doesn't work

or really any of the other muzzle attachments on the VKS

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨 personnel armor system for ground troops

[modern birch]

thanks. Why "🫵🏽🤨"? are you in a bad mood?

[half crescent]

🫵🏽🤨 When used by itself, PASGT refers to both the vest and helmet together.

[modern birch]

"🫵🏽🤨" ???

Btw guys, can the teammates (commander mode) also be so injured that they are unable to kick doors?

[twilit robin]

Not to my knowledge, or they cycle to a non leg injured teammate

The team mate kick seems to have a higher probability of being successful anyways

[modern birch]

LOL okay. Any idea why?

[twilit robin]

No idea, just seems to work more often for me.

[vestal mauve]

I work for Mindjot

[modern birch]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-mike-myers-austin-powers-hug-come-here-gif-17640096

https://tenor.com/view/give-them-bastards-hell-show-them-whose-boss-teach-them-give-them-a-lesson-gif-13799838

[whole wedge]

Why is the SWAT 99 helmet a MICH rather than a PASGT

[shrewd oriole]

Guys no new patch in more then one week. Game dead

[solemn cairn]

bro how do ron public lobbies fill up so quickly

[stone bay]

power outage mid-S rank attempt on Rust Belt

I hate the windy weather so much

[copper cypress]

Can heavy body armor protect against rifle bullets?

[tacit gull]

Heavy armor only covers extra parts of your torso, ceramic armor stops any hit untill it breaks and steel armor adds a damage reduction onto any hit it takes

[stone bay]

van someone help me understand the gunfighter variants on nexus

[copper cypress]

What about light body armor?

[terse merlin]

Light/Heavy armour only change the coverage areas

the level of protection is dependant on the plates

I personally prefer Light Armour, Ceramic plates, Front+Back coverage

You're highly mobile and decently protected against shots you weren't planning to get hit by

[vernal bane]

Coverage areas for light: front of chest/back of chest
Coverage areas for heavy: front of chest/back of chest/left side/right side

[terse merlin]

Light can cover sides

[jolly verge]

it's visual bug, you dont get side plates with light vest

[terse merlin]

Visual bug as in it's not supposed to show up in the drop-down?

[brittle sable]

as in the visuals show a side plate but they arent considered in programming

[terse merlin]

I'm not worried about that

in the loadout menu, you can select where the plates go

there is a "Front, Back and sides" option

[jolly verge]

you can, but sides just wont work for light

[terse merlin]

There's a proper answer

That's good to know though

[vernal bane]

Ye

No side coverage for light

It's a bug - probably a bug that we are able to select the "full" coverage option

[stone bay]

what exactly does gunfighter add again

[terse merlin]

many many things you can pick and choose from

such as modified gun handling, move speed, damage values..

[stone bay]

is there a pack too that includes all those

[terse merlin]

Gunfighter does have an all-in-one pack, yes

[stone bay]

yeah i got confused in the files on nexus and didnt know which to download

[copper cypress]

Will flash bangs put suspects across the wall on high alert?

I want to capture the suspect quietly, but I'm not sure how far the sound of the flash bang will affect the suspect.

[tacit gull]

There is a value called stress that increments every time a loud sound occurs, once it gets past a certain value all suspects will be on high alert

[mellow valve]

common sense

[jolly verge]

should be the same as gunshot, 20m

[tacit gull]

not really common sense since the way it actually works is convoluted as shit

[tacit gull]

Overall i'd just say not to worry about causing much noise cause suspects won't go quietly either way, they'll just start shooting you much earlier

[sharp fox]

why does the game prevent me from shooting at the crystal legion in “thank you, come again” 😔😔

[mellow valve]

judge doesnt like shooting young girls

[copper cypress]

Will AI teammate shouting also increase?

[tacit gull]

Shouting also increases stress, yeah

[copper cypress]

Oh~ got it.

[hardy plinth]

And their detection come almost doubles

As they grow eyes on their back

But if loud noise makes stress level go up, can't I just dump a couple mags into the air and get everyone to comply?

[tacit gull]

Stress does not make suspects more likely to surrender

Despite the name it just makes suspects more aggressive

[copper cypress]

Morale and stress values ​​seem to be separate🤔

The louder the noise, the more morale drops, but it also increases the stress on the suspect?

[tacit gull]

morale isn't affected by noise

It's only affected by being in the damage radius of stuff like flashbangs, shouting, c2, beanbags, pepper

[copper cypress]

Oh~ Ok. Thanks

[sharp fox]

why not

[kindred temple]

💀

[hardy plinth]

Does this game lack destructible items?

It's a bit of an uncommon suggestion but it's kinda weird how you shoot a vase and it doesn't break

Would maybe be cooler if your fights left behind more of an impact on the environment

[stone stump]

no

[hardy plinth]

I'm not talking about destructable walls or anything like siege

Just small things for immersion

Like it's weird you cant shoot through a cardboard box

[stone stump]

you can tho?

[mellow valve]

SWAT teams cant cause MAJOR property damage

[hardy plinth]

SWAT teams can't kill civilians either yet you can still turn their legs into mist if you feel like it

[sharp fox]

idk about you but i like shooting civs

[stone bay]

ngl the vanilla vests look kinda bad

[stone bay]

i see bearcats ripping off the front porches of houses

[copper cypress]

Why can I only choose a map in the game but no option to choose a mission type?

[stone stump]

because there are no mission types

[copper cypress]

Really!? Do you mean that after 1.0 there is no option for players to choose the type of mission?

[gaunt turtle]

hey quick question, if i streamed RoN on Twitch or YouTube and i accidentally flashed something NSFW, say, Gerard Scott's modeled meat or the bare naked human trafficking victims on Port Hokan, would i be punished? does it matter how long they show? like, if i just don't keep it on screen is it fine?

[viral bone]

Sick

[stone bay]

Is Fisa Gear for free now?

I just saw the Fisa LB Vest in the vest selection.

I don't even have supporter edition.

[tacit gull]

Standard edition has the LB vest, supporter has stuff on top of that

[vernal bane]

Mission types disappeared around the transition from Alpha -> 1.0

Early access, whatever you wanna call it

Used to be barricaded suspects, bomb threat, raid, hostage rescue, etc.

Mission selection actually used to be the city layout too

That was cool as hell imo, wish they never got rid of that

[earnest phoenix]

they got rid of so much stuff for stupid reasons for 1.0

[pearl thorn]

btw, how to make tablet show up on vest?

[vernal bane]

Hold [TAB]

[vernal bane]

They really did, some of the cool stuff should've stayed

[pearl thorn]

yah but not like that

[stone bay]

What stuff?

[vernal bane]

Pretty sure they scrapped some maps too no?

[earnest phoenix]

no idea why they would just straight up cut different game modes for maps

[stone bay]

They might make a return

[earnest phoenix]

literally just removed a lot of content and replayability because "lore"

[tacit gull]

New uniform, the rappelling rope pants, the fisa helmet, a separate carrier and all of the supporter weapons aswell

[stone bay]

Gah damn

Hopefully those gear would come out as an DLC i really want one

[tacit gull]

Probably not, but the old FBI gear is infinitely cooler anyway

[stone bay]

I thought FISA was a different government agency and not the FBI

[tacit gull]

It's pretty much the same thing, just VOID doing a copout like they did with a lot of things both narrative and gameplay wise

Worst part is that supporters were promised FBI gear and they get this instead

[mellow valve]

might return in practice mode

[stone bay]

Supporter edition costs like 120 Dollars right

[tacit gull]

It costed $80

[earnest phoenix]

did they say anything about it or not

[tacit gull]

No, they said nothing about it, i dunno where matt got that from

[stone bay]

Oh

[tacit gull]

I'm fairly certain i know why the extra modes were cut and it's not because of lore

[stone bay]

30 Dollars more doesnt seem so bad when you get cool ass Fed boy gear

[tacit gull]

no, it's $80 dollars more

[earnest phoenix]

why

[stone bay]

Oh I see

[tacit gull]

Even if it was $30 its absolutely not worth it for an outfit in a game

[tacit gull]

The way the 1.0 release worded it makes me think that multiple entries somehow didn't work with the extra modes

[stone bay]

im still paying otherwise im just that irresponsible with money

[tacit gull]

I for one am incredibly happy i didn't buy supporter edition, if the fact the game launched unfinished wasn't a big enough slap in the face the fact i didn't even get the cosmetics i paid for would have gotten me real mad

[stone bay]

There are still plenty of bugs in the game

Like AI teammates still having helmets despite removing them

Or guns clipping through the floor making them impossible to secure

[tacit gull]

The entire game feels lazily slapped together and there's a lot of stuff that breaks all the time, some of theese bugs are absolutely unacceptable for 1.0

[gaunt turtle]

or hostages still being hostage despite their taker being dead on the ground

[stone bay]

Now your entire team is just stuck yelling at this one civillian being held hostage by an guy dead on the floor

[zealous arch]

are there any balaclavas in the game?

[stone bay]

No, but there are mods for it

[zealous arch]

will balaclavas added in the vanilla game in the future?

[tacit gull]

They said they "ran out of time" to add them, so probably

[stone bay]

Devs think It's unrealistic so highly unlikely

I dont know someone just told me that a few months ago

[tacit gull]

That sounds insane, i haven't heard that

[zealous arch]

just in the RoN official picture all the unit are in balaclavas

can send in DMs

[tacit gull]

Just about every trailer has units with balaclavas, yes

[plain osprey]

we had balaclavas before

[zealous arch]

sounds wild

[plain osprey]

they were removed some years ago because of some issues

[stone stump]

clipping issues^

[zealous arch]

well i hope to see 3 hole balaclavas and ski mask balaclavas in the future

[tacit gull]

Meanwhile there's plenty of clipping issues with the rest of the customisation

[zealous arch]

the game just came out so

then we will see a lots of new cosmetics i guess

[tacit gull]

The game's "been out" techincally since 2022 and that build had balaclavas

[stone bay]

One of the Officers has a facemask in the Streamer map trailer

But it shows nowhere else in the game

[plain osprey]

that's animated not in-game

[tacit gull]

Yeah, i remember being super excited that we're gonna have so many facewear variants and then when the game comes out there's literally nothing

[tacit gull]

It still uses the same swat models

[stone bay]

I know

[stone bay]

The facemask looked so fucking cool in the trailer though it sucks its not in the game

[vestal mauve]

yeah no balaclavas is wild

[mellow valve]

SKI MASK

[zealous arch]

i think if there were a clipping issues i think you could just add a character with a built in balaclava and call them like #UNIT 1, #UNIT 2 and e.t.c

[tacit gull]

A white variant is used for mindjot security

[tacit gull]

In the old builds every unit had their own model of balaclava so it doesn't clip with their head

There is a mod called Legacy Masked SWAT Heads that adds those back

[stone bay]

Also the helmets in the game don't even fit on most of the character models so the strap will just be floating on an invisible chin

[vestal mauve]

yeah i want no helmet balaclava SWAT members

[tacit gull]

rip

[vestal mauve]

WE RAINBOW SIXING IT UP

[tacit gull]

I'd love to have 1. balaclava only
2. headset +balaclava
3. ballistic mask +balaclava
4. goggles +balaclava
5. literally any combination of theese

[vestal mauve]

headset options would be sick
I like having a Sheriff's Department look with no helmets and olive BDUs

[zealous arch]

i think should be 2 types of balaclavas:
Ski mask one and 3 hole balaclavas one

[stone bay]

One of the artworks in the game has an Officer with a balaclava and headsets but no helmet

[tacit gull]

Artworks have everything i specified above

[vestal mauve]

yeah its in that promo art of the five guys lined up

[tacit gull]

They also had 3 hole balaclavas in those

[stone bay]

One of them is throwing a flashbang and the way he throws it reminds me of that picture of eminem throwing a fucking mouse

[tacit gull]

The old artworks and trailers are absolute cinema, nothing comes close to it in the current game

[stone bay]

Artworks in the game look so fucking cool but when you actually play the game

Nothing

[copper cypress]

Is it also possible for traps to be equipped on doorknobs? I just checked the floor behind the door to make sure there was nothing wrong, and then asked my teammates to shoot the doorknob with a shotgun. As a result, three of my teammates were accidentally seriously injured ==

[stone bay]

Theres even a G36 with a carry handle which isnt even in the game too

[copper cypress]

The door was not pushed open and exploded immediately after shooting the doorknob??

[vernal bane]

Traps can also be in front

[tacit gull]

No doorknob traps, all traps are on the bottom of the door currently

[vernal bane]

They're gonna all reside on the bottom of the door but you should check where the wire is

[tacit gull]

They removed it due to calls made by their "police consultants", there's even a gif of the rework from the old builds

[vernal bane]

Most likely what happened is that the trap was in the same room you were, or the opposite and you did not see

[stone bay]

AND WHY DOES THE SCAR NOT HAVE A PROPER SCAR STOCK

[tacit gull]

Jokes on you there's a scar on the armory wall with a proper stock

[copper cypress]

🤯

[stone bay]

I saw that one too

[tacit gull]

I think it's the old H model

[stone bay]

I was so fucking confused at first why does the model look like that

[bitter mason]

the armoury wall has a ton of suspect weapons too

[stone bay]

Its on the far left side

[tacit gull]

I dont know why the LSPD has a calico on the wall of all things

[bitter mason]

trophy

[stone bay]

An 870 without the integrated flashlight

I like it without the flashlight alot more for some reason

[tacit gull]

What about the APS in the evidence locker

[stone bay]

Whats an APS

[tacit gull]

Originally supposed to be an attachment like the MP5 flashlight handguard

[stone bay]

Im glad they added the flashlight handguard

Also the vanilla vests look pretty ass

[tacit gull]

The Stetchkin APS, you get a modified one in the evidence locker once you get an A rank on port i think

[sharp fox]

do you guys have any advice on how i stop killing everyone in port hokan

[tacit gull]

You get an AI mod

[stone bay]

Don't shoot people, it hurts them

Lolz

[sharp fox]

thank you for the advice 🙏

[stone bay]

No problem

[bitter mason]

ai mod or if you want vanilla unfortunately you practically have to use less lethals for arrests most of the time

[sharp fox]

gah ok

[stone bay]

Why does it look like a Makarov with a rifle stock

[tacit gull]

Because it's fully automatic

It's like a fat makarov

[stone bay]

Okay unrelated but I'm pretty sure people forget that cops use the internet too

So when these wannabe gangbangers posts rap videos

And put their guns up on the camera they would check for their serial numbers to see if they are stolen or not

[sharp fox]

no way cops using technology 🤯🤯

[vestal mauve]

Cops used to go on a local punk board and try to get shows shut down in advance
But they gave themselves away

[stone bay]

I always love it when these dumbasses get killed in a shootout with police because they unironically think they can accurately shoot someone with a full auto glock

Homeboy thinks hes hickok45

They just blew out their entire load likely not even hitting anything now they have nothing

[sharp fox]

silly little gangsters

[vestal mauve]

me when the (THIS POST HAS BEEN DELETED TO PROTECT THE WEAK STOMACHED)

[stone bay]

And then their family cries and say "he was a good boy who lived his life to the fullest and didnt wanna hurt anyone"

[vestal mauve]

Even if they fend off the donut cops what do they think happens next
They're gonna go to a Pay N Spray and get away with it?

[stone bay]

I mean its not long before they get a swat team to raid their house

[mellow valve]

the L model is shorter

LSPD are used to CQB enviroments because urban enviroments are SMALL

[craggy yew]

We definitely need more full length rifles

The SR 16 is the loneliest rifle you’ll ever meet

[glass ether]

M14

[copper cypress]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message Is it possible that C2 will kill the suspect?

Although he wasn't actually killed lol

[stone stump]

and it's for a good reason

[vagrant zephyr]

If an enemy on elephant incapacitates a civvie/I accidentally incapacitate a suspect, would it ruin the S rank?

[kind zinc]

yes

[vagrant zephyr]

So elephant S rank is kind of luck based?

[kind zinc]

no

[vagrant zephyr]

Please explain

My friend is kinda raging over it rn

[kind zinc]

you just don’t let them kill civilians

[vagrant zephyr]

Is their pathing consistent?

[kind zinc]

idk

[vestal mauve]

It absolutely is luck based

[vagrant zephyr]

So it is luck based?

[kind zinc]

nuh uh

[vestal mauve]

You can get bad spawns and get fucked out of an S rank
When the level starts you have about 2 mins before they start shooting

[kind zinc]

Just shoot them with a beanbag or something

[undone valve]

from my whole 2 runs on elephant it does seem to be kinda random

[vestal mauve]

So you gotta find all four and take them down extremely quickly

[undone valve]

first run had a shot within like 3 minutes of the start, second run didn't have a shot for the whole thing

[kind zinc]

I take my sweet ass time and it was fine

[vestal mauve]

Ok now try an unmodded S rank

No points for having your hand held

[kind zinc]

It was unmodded

[vestal mauve]

Lol right

[kind zinc]

Skill issue

[vestal mauve]

Uh huh

[astral siren]

Elephant, best way to clear it solo S-Rank is to split your teams and have red team clear/secure rooms on the ground floor while you move upstairs and clear that with blue team

I've found the best luck spawning at the (north?) exit, not the main entrance, clearing up to the stairs - then one team clears the main entrance, while the other team comes with me and clears upstairs

Use the AI to secure suspects too, ignore securing civilians until all suspects are secured and bombs are secured

But if the AI secure suspects then you can keep pushing through/clearing areas faster than them, don't forget to listen out for suspects - Elephant suspects are all male voices, they'll try to bait you by shouting "help over here" or something like that, but they won't sound super panicked

[kind zinc]

Or just go in a public lobby it works alright

[earnest phoenix]

can suspects open locked doors

[crude prism]

yes, suspects can open locked doors

[bitter mason]

wait fr?

door overhaul when

[crude prism]

locked doors yes
wedged doors no

it's intentional that the home team can unlock their own doors (even if it is a bit gamey)

[shy tulip]

Feels a bit fair considering it seems most players rely on wedges

Not me though, I'm just built diff

[gloomy thistle]

Are the any mods where I can larp as a Los suenos police officer? I'm trying to find AR-15 looking rifles but can't find any that look similiar to em in nexus

[earnest phoenix]

now introducing... door 2

[frail quartz]

By "AR-15" what do you mean, M16s? M4s? I'd presume you're looking for an older rifle if the models on nexus don't look like what you want

[tacit gull]

This is the door overhaul

[bitter mason]

I get they should be able to unlock doors they reasonably could
but considering suspects dont even have animations for kicking foors open, let alone opening them it just feels silly lol

also some doors just randomly having locks when their models have none

[gloomy thistle]

Something that US police uses this day, I just googled ''US POLICE RIFLE'' and all I got was ar-15

So I guess m16

[sturdy pawn]

the current rifle used by the LAPD, which is a very close inspiration to the LSPD Swat, is a Geissele.
Infact, this mod that replaces the ARWC is exactly the new rifle the LAPD Swat has adopted.
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3784

BCM rifles mixed in with the HK416s mixed in with LAPD Swat too.

[gloomy thistle]

Thank you!!!!!

[sturdy pawn]

So Geissele Super Duty 5.56
BCM Rifles
and HK416s.

you can roleplay i suppose, with two BCM rifles, two HK416s, and yourself having the Geissele since its a relatively new addition

[frozen beacon]

what is your guyses fav AI mods?

[umbral oar]

day 1 ai mod❗️❗️

(it doesnt exist)

[frozen beacon]

I just want some AI mod that works with mods and reduces wallbanging like crazy

[dusky fjord]

Better enemy behavior + swat and suspects swat AI overhaul (Stand-alone) is a pretty good combo imo

[frozen beacon]

ppl are saying that first mod does nothing anymore, also combining AI mods doesnt sound like a great idea :c

[cunning estuary]

Do i buy this game? been thinking about copping for months but looks like reviews since the 1.0 patch are shitting all over it?!

[warm orchid]

Can they? I've been playing the game for a few years now and I've never seen them open locked doors. Testing to see which doors are locked is actually the best strat to see which doors you need to wedge. Afaik, locked doors can't be opened by suspects, so there's no need to wedge them.

[crude prism]

they won't passively wander through locked doors, but once alerted, suspects can knock open doors to flank players

there is also a behavior where they will stand by closed doors and listen for noise, which if they hear you, will come barging through. locked or not

[sudden marsh]

i wish i can play ready or not rn, but the fact the optimization is so bad makes it impossible

[sturdy pawn]

i had one stay behind a wedged door because he heard me move by

had my teammates set up a C2 since he was literally hugging the door

did not end well for him.

[crude prism]

minor inconvenience

I cast "entire door" projectile

[sturdy pawn]

it was a wooden door too

so more like

I cast "One thousand splinters" projectile on your face.

[crude prism]

ooooooooooooof

[dim cairn]

How many extra firearms do you reckon each member of the team carries to plant on civilians that pull out their phones?

[tame sundial]

the hell is "execute"? in the third mission It popped Up so how do i use hold command?

[astral siren]

Hold shift or whatever your slow walk button is bound to, open the communication menu (default middle mouse click) and hold shift while you issue a command

Once the command is selected while holding shift, it’ll be a “queued” command

then hit execute when you’re not holding shift, and the AI teammates will execute it

[tardy current]

I wonder how hard it'd be to implement a UI tweak for multiplayer to show teammates health similar to playing with bots

[tame sundial]

sweet, thanks

[copper cypress]

Breaking shotgun and breaking hammer, Which one do you guys prefer to use?

[prime wing]

c2

[copper cypress]

😂

I only carry two C2s lol

[bitter mason]

currently been using Astral's Revamped and its pretty good. A lot easier if you just shoot everyone so its good to actually try and take people in even when using lethals. Also makes suspects actually hide in closets and under stuff unlike their vanilla behaviours

very different to vanilla tho since its intention is to make suspects a bit more believable. So it reduces the amount on some maps along with some even being unarmed depending on the level and their overall will to fight is more varied but generally lower.

[native rune]

I’ve been using the Roleplay Tactical AI from the Here I Come bundle

[bitter mason]

yeah I was using that before I tried out Astrals and it was pretty good too

[craggy yew]

Rate the game theory I think the home invasion dlc will be about raids against other agencies for corrupt dealings

[daring flame]

0

[craggy yew]

[shy tulip]

On a scale of 1-5, I give it a -1

[craggy yew]

Good lord in heaven please let me be right so I can say I told you so

[stone bay]

I pressed a button and it brought up like a white crosshairs dot in the middle of my screen

What button was that?

[shy tulip]

The command menu? I think?

[stone bay]

Yeah, it seems to be

thanks,
it's just when I was on the tutorial, I guess I didn't unlock the ability to actually do commands yet in the first few seconds of the firing range, so what I was bringing up was literally this white dot

It was basically like a free crosshairs

lol

[lucid elk]

Homemade flechettes.

[astral siren]

if I do multiplayer I stack C2, singleplayer i have half my squad running hammers and half running mirror guns

[copper cypress]

Oh~

I get lag when playing multiplayer games🥹

[stone bay]

I live in Japan, so some lag is there,
but it's not too bad thankfully

[silver field]

Hey I was thinking that adding a white board for planning on multi would be sick.

So you can plan with teammates better such as planning entry and strategy.

[shy tulip]

You can use the map when you hold tab

[lost inlet]

does the suspect get stress from their own shooting or their friends shooting?

[lean valve]

How much will the DLCs cost?

[prime wing]

no info so far

[stone bay]

It's cool that there are a bunch of mod stages, are the mod stages multiplayer friendly also?

[silver field]

Oh yeah just figured that out

[copper cypress]

Are pepper guns useful against suspects wearing heavy body armor?

[stone stump]

less lethal weaponry doesn't give a fuck about the armor someone's wearing

[copper cypress]

You mean it doesn't work? I can only kill it with a stronger rifle? 😱

[foggy trench]

kinda sad how there isn't really anything to do after doing the S missions you wanted and some lethals with friends/randoms

not saying a milsim should have some arcade mode but it would be cool to have something different until they release new maps

[stone stump]

i mean it ignores the armor

[copper cypress]

Oh~ It sounds good

😆

[sharp fox]

no way i cant kill people with less lethal 😔😔

[lost inlet]

headshot with beanbag shotgun always result in kill

[sharp fox]

seriously?
i need to try this out

[lost inlet]

yep they can tank 45 acp jhp to the face consistently but cant tank a beanbag to the head

[stone bay]

beans are a weapon of mass destruction

this shit can destroy two cities at once

[hardy plinth]

Chat is this real

[lost inlet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1471879539 from my caculation then yes its real

[hardy plinth]

Isn't a headshot always just a guaranteed kill?

Apart from pepperballs

[lost inlet]

only beanbag is guaranteed other gun is dmg based

[tacit gull]

The hotfix that changed how helmets work seems to have broken the headshot calculations

[lost inlet]

thats mean enemy from lethal obsession can tank an AP 308 to head and get incaped instead of killed

[earnest phoenix]

gerards been microdosing bullets

doesnt it take like 5 9mm headshots to kill him too

[lost inlet]

7 JHP 9mm to the head to kill him

yikes

[sharp fox]

his conspiracy knowledge in his brain is bulletproof

[hardy plinth]

Ah it makes sense at the end of the day

Getting a beanbag to the head is like getting hit with a high speed baseball bat

.45 hollow point is only shards of molten lead through your skull

[lucid elk]

[zealous mantle]

I found this out the hard way damn

I remember before 1.0 they could tank the beanbag to the head and be incapaciated

[tacit gull]

Problem with that was that the meta just became headshot everybody with the beanbag

[thorny warren]

i had a bad day so now im just replaying some missions except i terminate everyone, including civilians

[loud pawn]

That's the way to do it.

[neat robin]

Lead lined his brain so the 5G can’t get in

[compact sequoia]

hey are traits still bugged and only activate when locked

[jolly verge]

yeap

[compact sequoia]

damn

[signal wadi]

why is one of my officer slots locked?

i can only bring 3 guys into a mission

[neat robin]

Can i see a screenshot

[signal wadi]

sure lemme dm you

[brittle sentinel]

guys, my game is stuck at 100%

how the hell do i fix this

[neat robin]

Wdym

[brittle sentinel]

its stuck at the loading screen

[somber plover]

close your game

[neat robin]

How long have you waited for

[brittle sentinel]

20 mins

[neat robin]

Damn

Yeah restart

[brittle sentinel]

did that like 5 times

[neat robin]

Huh

[brittle sentinel]

no changes.

[neat robin]

Well that’s not good

Have you tried verifying the game files

[brittle sentinel]

im attempting that rn

[neat robin]

Alr

[junior depot]

What is better for recoil reduction - ASR muzzle brake or SFMB?

[neat robin]

I’m pretty sure SFMB but I forgor

[karmic karma]

ASR reduces vertical recoil by 30%, SFMB by 40% according to this excellent guide:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[junior depot]

Beautiful - also says it hides muzzle flash unlike ASR

[earnest phoenix]

why isnt the vks full auto

it would actually be kinda usable then

[clear stream]

Ready or not is a swat game but forces you to be seal team six

[neat robin]

yep

[willow egret]

hm, so giving the order to restrain dead enemies makes them alive again?

[neat robin]

no, however suspects can sometimes fake death

incapacitated enemies can also sometimes wake back up when cuffed

[willow egret]

oh, interessting

another thing: is it possible to disable the supernatural eyesight for enemies?

it seem they are able to see through objects, windows, fenses, which i am not able to see through 🤔

[willow egret]

haha, got "The Magician" achievement rn 😉

[neat robin]

nic

[lost inlet]

its just the dev intentionally make the map hard for you to see while making the ai have no trouble seeing through it

[clear stream]

guys, why do when i enable fsr2 to quality, the resolution decreases so much?

[stone bay]

If I have a mod subscribed, does it affect matchmaking?

[jolly verge]

If you on 1920x1080 fsr2 quality will downscale it to 1280x720 and upscale back again, with worse image but less gpu usage

[hardy plinth]

Is there a way to go non-lethal with a shield?

[crude prism]

yeah, you just sit in front of enemies until they run out of ammo

[hardy plinth]

Oh and they just go "aw shucks, gotta come with you now"?

[crude prism]

yeah pretty much

(that's real btw)

[zealous mantle]

Maybe you can bash with it? Idk tho havent tried it

[lost inlet]

think you can bash them but wont their gun clip through the shield and instant kill you?

[zealous mantle]

If they arent shooting at the moment no, also i dont think the gun can clip through the shield but it probably finds a way to kill you

[hardy plinth]

Just saw an enemy running around with the taser attached

[lost inlet]

seems about right

[hardy plinth]

Multiplayer is kinda shit ngl

If ping is too high hits just don't register at all sometimes

[umbral oar]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[thorny warren]

is it possible to complete a mission without completing "bring order to chaos" without being dead at the end?

[hardy plinth]

works 100% of the time

[umbral oar]

Tru

[vocal willow]

Dose flashbang and stingers do the same thing?

[thorny warren]

the stinger is superior

[hardy plinth]

Are pepperballs broken in multiplayer?

Same way tasers don't work

[thorny warren]

never played multiplayer because i have no friends

[zealous mantle]

Stingers shoot out a bunch of rubber balls i think

While flashbangs are just big bang

[jolly verge]

they both stun but stinger can deal up to 27 damage (depends on distance) while flashbang only 0.05

[craggy yew]

Wait could you kill someone with stingers?

Or am I confused on how damage works

[jolly verge]

yes, very easy

but it's only 27 damage

if suspect is alive it's will only incap him (if he has almost half health)

[summer copper]

which lethal shottie the best

[craggy yew]

M1014

[frail quartz]

In terms of recoil, the B1301 has the lowest, but the XM1014 has a slightly faster reload

[summer copper]

thank ya

[surreal wing]

Instead of the last suspect hunting you down, is there a chance for him to become barricaded or hide somewhere?

[muted star]

How much you enjoy looking for last civi for 10 mins

[craggy yew]

Echolocation simulator

“Police put your hands up” random location “I ain’t doing shit”

[crude prism]

How to alert suspects 101:

[umbral oar]

echolocation is crazy

[daring flame]

so many people spew this and don't realize every other game does this.

[daring flame]

yes don't bother with nonlethal in multiplayer

[gaunt turtle]

suspect radar

[surreal wing]

I don't think that's a very good argument.

[muted star]

Play elephant few more times

[tacit gull]

Having the last suspect suicide rush you every single time isn't really the end all be all solution to be fair

[crude prism]

Instead of the suspect just homing to you

We could make it so you have 60 seconds to find them or else they just suicide

😎 👍

[stone bay]

No, please no

[tacit gull]

huge timer just pops up on screen "TIME UNTILL SUSPECT SUICIDE"

[crude prism]

well how else are we supposed to build tension? 🙄

[tacit gull]

Here at VOID Interactive we like to keep our players on their feet

[crude prism]

if you walk past a closet someone is hiding in, it should trigger a jumpscare QTE (this is only half a joke)

[craggy yew]

They just burst into tears after 5 minutes

[timber mesa]

There are supposed to be visibility blockers some objects like fence gaps, but there may be instances where there should be one but there isn't

[tacit gull]

(No.) RE5 chris boulder punch

[timber mesa]

feel free to screenshot and mention those in #1050529506022137876 with the level design tag, the replay system can be helpful for capturing those moments

[tacit gull]

Make the entire level of greased palms a visibility blocker box

[lime rivet]

guys

whats the ip for awp server

[tacit gull]

The 1V1 one or the public one

[lime rivet]

pub

[tacit gull]

idk

[muted star]

Maybe they could make the AI just roam the map instead of full ready rush towards the player. Dunno how it is right now

[vocal night]

since when does 5.56 incapacite with a headshot?

[tacit gull]

All it would really take is some voicelines to play in my opinion

[tacit gull]

Since the headshot multiplier got broken

[vocal night]

when was that?

in 1.0?

[full shore]

Gets hit in the head. Becomes dizzy 🥴

[muted star]

It got fixed tho, it was a bug before iirc

[tacit gull]

Hotfix 3 i think

[crude prism]

depends on the map too still, most maps are still instant kills for most calibers

[vocal night]

well im getting incapacitated fellas with a single bullet right now

[vocal night]

this is on sins of the father

[crude prism]

suspects on sins have increased health by 25% (compared to the base suspect value)

[foggy zinc]

wat

the extra drip = more health

[vocal night]

quite a simple map even though i heard quite a bit about it

[vocal night]

i guess them being secret service makes them a bit more fit and resistant

not 5.56 tanking resistant tho

[tacit gull]

Can't miss head day

[crude prism]

just microdose bullets until you build up resistance

[vocal night]

i guess they have thick skulls lol

[tacit gull]

While the veterans on brisa get prosthetic legs theese guys get prosthetic skulls

[crude prism]

RoN lore: PTSD gives you extra health

[tacit gull]

^ unironically

[vocal night]

can you hit those veterans on amputated legs?

im guessing yes lol

[foggy zinc]

i imagine so unless void wanted to go goofy with the hitboxes for them specifically

[tacit gull]

It would actually be genius if you could take them in alive by blowing off their prosthesis

[crude prism]

I actually don't know if the leg can be hit or not, I've never bothered to try

[foggy zinc]

"oops, i blew off his other leg "

[crude prism]

zamn

[vocal night]

probably incapacitated

[crude prism]

"Incapacitated"

[tacit gull]

slipped on a banan

the judge david beaumont in question

Btw Judge's old voice actor commented on Zack's reverb video lmao

this is why you cuff all bodies

oh yeah they removed that feature in the same update they broke headshots

if it was actually intentional and someone with half a face could get up with a 1 in a million chance it would be super cool

but no its just broken health

[crude prism]

the headshot system was fixed, not broken

[vocal night]

unauthorised use of deadly force

[muted star]

If you blow a limb or a head off you can't

[vocal night]

hey you are a man after my own heart

unless im trying for s everbody is dying

[crude prism]

replay please

[vocal night]

well i cant gas everywhere on greased palms

very unfortunate for real

[tacit gull]

didn't turn on replay when the game started

[dark gyro]

barricaded suspects is such a repetitive concept, on Sins they tell you to exercise extreme caution since the bad guys would "execute" the hostages if they know you're there, but these civies be walkin around like nothing's going on, and no one's making a sound

[crude prism]

game settings still not saving fucking kills me dude it's so painful

[muted star]

Turns replay mode off before blasting a civi

[vocal night]

theres also a couple flash traps in the map that secret service usually ends up detonating lol

[tacit gull]

Forgetting to turn on replay mode when starting is equivalent to forgetting your bodycam LMAO

[dark gyro]

traps being randomized is very dumb, I had my team open the first staircase door and there was a frag there

while the 16 times prior there were none

[tacit gull]

what the fuck is the point of traps if you always know where they are

[dark gyro]

I killed myself shooting a mirror

[dark gyro]

The point is they shouldn't be able to get setup on every single door

[tacit gull]

Why?

[plucky sage]

Because you find it easier that way?

[muted star]

There's a mod that makes some traps above head level. Wish we could have it in vanilla

[tacit gull]

I'm still in awe that shotgun traps are still not in the game while someone managed to mod them in in a custom map

[dark gyro]

No, because having a grenade stringed to a double door fire exit is stupid, you can't peak that without triggering it? That makes no sense

[muted star]

we do be moddin

[muted star]

You can lol

[dark gyro]

It's stupid yes

[tacit gull]

I don't even think traps can be on double doors actually

[muted star]

They are on one of the doors

[dark gyro]

Me kicking down a door and blasting the 7 civies on the other side begs to differ

[vocal night]

so go through the other way

[crude prism]

I want to say there's only like 1 double door in the whole game that can be trapped

It's the Brisa middle room one

[tacit gull]

I swear i have never seen that in my entire time playing the game

[vocal night]

isnt that blocked on 1 side

[tacit gull]

Doesn't that door have one side blocked?

[crude prism]

the far side, not the spawn side

[vocal night]

oh right i actually remember blowing up to one lol

[plucky sage]

You can peak double doors individually?!
If certain doors cannot be peaked it's a design fail of that door not of the grenade placement.
There are also doors that are currently too thick and while you can peak them you cannot see the trap.
But for those things the devs should fix the specific doors not make trap placement deterministic

[tacit gull]

Actually i'm not even sure, can suspects tripwire doors themselves anymore?

[crude prism]

They can't kill themselves

[dark gyro]

I have and it's annoying. Mirroring everything gets tiring. And there's 0 sense of urgency, you can take however much time you want, make as much noise as you want, and kill every suspect without necessarily causing any fuss. All you have is doc getting confused

[plucky sage]

And you can easily peek that one

[crude prism]

But they can set them off, it just doesn't kill them

[tacit gull]

I mean can they set up traps?

[muted star]

IIrc there's a parameter for the ammunt of suspect that can do that on a map

[crude prism]

in vanilla, no

but the ai behavior is still there for modders to change that (or for players to edit the vanilla map parameters)

[muted star]

They really need to bump up the porbability of those actions

[tacit gull]

I still don't understand what the point of all theese features are if they don't do anything in game

[prime wing]

yes

i had one once

Im pretty sure he walked through one and exploded... i think

[tacit gull]

great

[prime wing]

would love to test it out

but dont know how

[tacit gull]

I remember the first time devs broke AI moving through doors and so you'd just have a bomb go off the second you start the level cause suspects walked through it

Now they can still do that but they don't die which takes the only fun part out of it

Really wish that's something that would be an actual feature, either through suspect incompetence or through heightened levels of stress (instead of the shitty aggression booster it currently is)

[muted star]

Like overshooting going to cover

[vocal night]

i dont think suspect incompetence can be a factor on trapped maps

one is a crazed dude setting up traps in his house one is a group of veterans other is secret service

any other maps have traps?

[tacit gull]

Speaking of, didn't a newsletter mention suspects would be able to trip and fall running away from you?

[muted star]

IIrc yeah but there was a probably words like "we are experimenting" and "possibly"

[dark gyro]

Suspects all want to die in this game unless you shoot their feet with a full mag, they'll rush you with full auto and your team has the slowest reaction time I've ever seen. The current game is actually ass

[muted star]

Same with suspects using flashbangs

[tacit gull]

Great, so instead of that we get overtuned AI that rivals EA release except that was kind of fun the first time

[dark gyro]

I've had my team say a mirrored door is clear, but opening it has me blow up 10 feet high

[tacit gull]

Either that or they telepathically know there's a tripwire on the other side of a door without peeking it

[vocal night]

current ai is still shit

just shit in another way

[dark gyro]

I'd be better off 8balling a door then asking my crew

[tacit gull]

It's shit in the same way, they just miss sometimes now

[vocal night]

yeah i still get hit from some dude that is sprinting from the other end of the map

[dark gyro]

Sins of the father is so obnoxious

Claustrophobic, big, and everyone is just doing nothing.
Suspects look like body guards instead of Left Behind, and they just stand in one spot not surveilling anything; hostages are all cramped up in corners also not doing anything, not cuffed, bagged, or any clues that they are hostages.

Doc says that the suspects would shoot them if they notice we are here, but they run and gun you specifically at most

[bitter mason]

I've seen double doors be trapped during early access and they were buggy lookin lol

[dark gyro]

Half the doors are trapped to the point where it's just expected, and no one surrenders, kill or be killed type of scenario

I hate this mission so much lmao

[bitter mason]

have you listened to the mission briefing. The suspects are said to be rouge secret service.
I quite like sins of the father though I havent played it with vanilla AI
I personally think it should be the last mission in the campaign order

[dark gyro]

._.

[dark gyro]

I listen to Doc

The voice line is off if anything

[bitter mason]

U mean TOC

at the start of the level?

Thats a voice line ripped from the cut hostage rescue game mode from early access where suspects DID kill hostages when they catch wind of you. But it was a pretty terrible mode

[dark gyro]

He says "suspects are armed and have made it clear that they will execute the hostages if provoked"

[bitter mason]

TOC just uses a lot of the generic gamemode voice lines from the early access. Shame we dont get a dispatch audio like in swat 4

[vocal night]

why do you think it should be last?

[dark gyro]

Sins of the father is so unpolished and under-developed.
Extremely quiet and unresponsive, claustrophobic maze type shit.
There's 0 strategy to be had differently than any other map if it's just barricaded suspects with traps

[bitter mason]

Just feel appropriate to me idk
Has a finale feel to it. Going up against rogue secret service feels like the ultimate challenge to D platoon and the whole level has a creepy feeling
where the current last level just feels like generic crooks outside of the weird crime underworld type stuff and the only case of a unique toc report in the entire game

[dark gyro]

In a big dumb hotel

Feels like you're hyping it up to what it should be.

Not what it is

[shy tulip]

Sins best map

[willow kraken]

I love Sins

[vocal night]

its a bit too linear for my liking

no real risk if you are going carefully

[bitter mason]

Feels pretty polished to me outside of the glitchy rain going through the ceiling lol. The almost quiet atmosphere with the occasional distorted choir adds a bit.
Gameplay wise the whole game is very samey and the instanely open nature of some maps like postal and port dont work well with the gameplay style. Sins of the farther I unironically think has a really good design asside from that big room with the balcony and the random sight line blockers that make flashing rooms pretty bad when using friendly ai

[willow kraken]

Just wish there was some more space outside on the balcony for some rainy combat

[crude prism]

maps that let you properly roomclear and section off areas are the easiest it's true, but it also has a lot of long halls that cannot be easily contained until you work through them

[shy tulip]

The rooms are also pretty challenging compared to other maps. There isn't a lot of wiggle room for entering most of the rooms, and the geometry of the rooms means it's easy for suspects to setup traps for you. Add to that the rooms having multiple entries in some, they can run and flank you

[bitter mason]

Worst map in my onion is relapse tbh. Far too big for how many suspects they are, aswell as how dangerous they are on that map. Just extremely tiring to complete

[vocal night]

i just go wedging 1 by 1

there isnt any place where you cant completely wedge out

[crude prism]

Brisa is wedging tutorial, Sins is "did you guys remember wedging?"

[bitter mason]

I prefer maps that let me leniar them out using wedges tbh

[vocal night]

i guess there is a chance someone swings when i have wedge in my hands but i either hear them running or they are slow walking so i can react

[bitter mason]

makes me feel smart and tactical

[vocal night]

at least on brisa you can get flanked while wedging

not really but in theory at least

[bitter mason]

biggest danger I find in brisa asside from hyper accurate full auto suspects, is the damn hallway

[vocal night]

i like that too but i think all maps should have a problematic area that is tough to clear

[crude prism]

Same goes for Sins, there's a lot of long ass halls that you have to wedge a bunch of doors on that also connect to stairs/other long ass halls

[vocal night]

greased palm is 1 big tough to clear area and sins of the fathers is just corridors

something in between is the best imo

[stone bay]

AI still fucked?

[bitter mason]

yea definitely. But sometimes it can just get annoying
like that room on sins I usually save for last with the big balcony. Anyone on that balcony is probably gonna get killed

[vocal night]

fucked but they at arent as deadly

[bitter mason]

Not as bad now, some say its too easy.
They're still kinda stupid tho in terms of being very robotic

[vocal night]

you can clear upstairs completely without exposing yourself to fellas down

[stone bay]

Okay. But they don't 180 dome you through a wall?

[vocal night]

so it isnt a big problem imo

[vocal night]

they 180 shoot at you through a wall but dont hit

[bitter mason]

yeah I know, I mean the outside balcony. Theres almost always someone there blasting through the windows

[vocal night]

ah i misunderstood then

that is annoying when going for S true

[bitter mason]

I go for arresting as many as possible without using less lethals. A lot of maps have really dodgy sightlines for suspects that just make it a pain in the ass

[vocal night]

tbh with this ai i dont bother with arresting if im going in lethal

[bitter mason]

thats why I use ai mods :p

[vocal night]

they turn and shoot at me even if i flank them completely

[bitter mason]

yyyup

[vocal night]

yeah i might download some too after getting s on all maps

[dark gyro]

There's NOTHING going on. No urgency, no secret service operation, cuff civilians and shoot the bad guys that are standing still all over the rooms that are hard to get to, and ask your team to mirror every damn door for the guy to get stuck in single file line for some reason. No suspects surrender at all, unless you incapacitate them or mag dump their feet. They are wearing tuxedos and carry different issued weapons that aren't tied to each other in any way. There is 0 noise except the choir that loops every 30 seconds while you clear rooms trying not to blow up.

The overall vibe of the mission is the department sending you to crash a very classy hold up by your own rogue guys that seem to have a bad case of brain damage as they do nothing until they see you, at which point it's "empty mag on that swat dude's arms"

I legitimately feel sleepy playing through it, it's god tiers of boring

[vocal night]

theres no urgency in any map thats not a minus specifically here

only in elephant

[dark gyro]

Shouldn't be in any case, you can take however much time you want, break as much shit as you want, and nothing happens, they don't try to corner you or use tactics with that dogshit AI

[bitter mason]

I mean I think that can be said for a lot of the missions.
Elephant is the worst in terms of atmosphere I feel
Completely empty and dead silent, no music or sound scapes. I believe they did that intentionally but it feels like they just did minimum effort because they needed the map in not to dissapoint all the people wierdly obsessed with that map

[vocal night]

thats not the fault of the map is what im getting at

[dark gyro]

The map is good, the mission is steaming ass

[bitter mason]

Neon tomb is somewhat similar to sins in that theres no real urgency outside of what it presents to you. Suspects dont shoot civvies.
I think a majority of maps have a lot of problems with presenting their stories outside of tiny details you have to go searching around for

[dark gyro]

My guys are overprepped with long range carbines on full auto and task force gear for a hotel hold up that's just a bunch of mentally disabled NPCs I need to find and pin down without getting shot

live grenades behind every door

weird goofy weapon selection for the hostiles carrying FALs on select fire

[bitter mason]

do they actually use grenades behind doors or just flashbangs. I've only noticed flashbang traps

[dark gyro]

mostly grenades

I've had my whole team go down trying to peak a door, saw an hostile before the trap and boom

[bitter mason]

dam
weird maybe I just havent paid attention. I've never activated a grenade trap on that map only flashbang ones

[vocal night]

i never saw any grenades on that map

only flash traps

[dark gyro]

Idk how I feel about paying 60 bucks for a point and shoot game that offers minimal planification needs when every map is the same mission on a different playing field. The use of AI to dictate what hardships are presented to you when actually playing for the most part washes down a lot of the potential the game could have.

I hope they can make their suspects feel a little more

[vocal night]

i think maps are distinct enough

[dark gyro]

spacially aware

[vocal night]

ai makes them similar in gameplay for sure but layouts are unique enough

[dark gyro]

That's not what I'm saying, the promise of the game is just cuff and get out.
I liked what they were going for with the "stop the killing" moto as in it's not just a call of duty spam clicker

The loadouts and customization options are pretty cool, I like the cinematics between missions and the stories each map has

but the gameplay is just.. hard to swallow repeat

[bitter mason]

maps are mostly decent, only issues I usually have is being too open or big at times and the details of the world outside of the operation zone lacking, just feeling like the entry team and TOC are the only police present.
Biggest issue is AI, its very predictable and too aggressive most of the time, never using hiding spots like closets or under beds and always preferring to engage as opposed to running away even when in disadvantageous situations.

[dark gyro]

If they had kamikaze suspects that could work

But like why

[bitter mason]

I mean from my experience outside of ai mods, suspects love to kamikaze

I mean this happened on sins of the father, shoot one guy wondering the hall, another guy pops out another room and gets shot then another runs from the room next to it and gets shot too

they would love to mindlessly run into death chokepoints like lemmings

[dark gyro]

The gameplay is limited to the missions you have available and that gets cut short fast given you know what you are doing. A lot of people meet issues with figuring out how to find everyone or dealing with the dumb AI

Its not worth 60 bucks

You could make shit look as nice as you want but its still shit

I see the effort and legitimately like the concept, it has potentional and the skill to achieve it

Overuse of AI makes it unbearable, you can barely learn from a death

[stone stump]

cinematics? stories? are we talking about ron?

[dark gyro]

Yes I just worded it weird

The bearcat loading render

and briefings

[umbral oar]

👃

[worldly quarry]

just finished the game and uh

wow

that's all i am gonna say

[rocky swallow]

Do anyone know what's date of 1.1?

I know its winter, but nothing else

[sour furnace]

yo just checking in, has Void directly addressed the wonky ass subtitle localization yet?

[bitter field]

"We've got one in here, alarmed."

[worldly quarry]

where even is the subtitle setting

[bitter field]

It's in audio settings

[worldly quarry]

the main issue is that some get aimbot from what i've noticed

i could just do entry on a door and i get shot through 3 walls

[dark gyro]

What I hate the most is how none of them do anything unless provoked or in line of sight

By default they just either patrol a very small area or stand completely still

you can't really sneak up on them for that much though

There is very poor immersion when you know that everything revolved around you and you only

They have no idle mechanics for the most part, no chatter, nothing to tell they are actually present on the scene until they open fire

Or you spot them before they spot you

[brave crow]

Stepping out of AI realm, would be bad to improve LPVO optic? No one uses it due to challenges. There are 2 challenges: only 1 magnifiactin level. IRL the beauty of Low power variable optics or LPVOs is that you can go from 1x (so almost as good as red dot, to high power 4x, some 8x depending on model) Second challenge is size of scopes. They are so small is like looking through a insulating tube. Gonna post screenshot for comparison for example wit Arma reforger.
https://imgur.com/a/3dlhJgm

How to fix it? Make use of magnification. Custom power - 1 power (red dot style) or now high power (4x). If you wanna go all out, you could make actual rotation that adjust zoom - perfection
Secondly - make optic viewport bigger. If you have bigger picture you see more. We are not looking through tiny hose, but through a scope.

This 2 changes would make optic usable and more alike to real world.

[crude prism]

they should just remove the magnified optics

[bitter mason]

this is true, they're kinda pointless

even trying to use them on the more open maps they werent that good

[crude prism]

the only reason they don't is because people would mald

should've been removed years ago

they still don't even shoot straight, lmao

[prime wing]

Most useless game item

Mah customization

but its really not

it just sucks

[bitter mason]

Yknow something i noticed, do suspect even have pain sounds for when they get shot, ie not incapped or killed?

Ive never noticed them yelling in pain or anything unless they go down
Adds a lot to the terminator feel of them when they just tank shots haha

[vocal night]

one of them shoots straight

i dont remember which one but only one drifts to the left slightly

[crude prism]

the 4x shoots high and to the left of where the reticle is

at any distance (where you would want to use it) you will miss targets

[frail quartz]

VOID moment

[daring flame]

1.0 release

[daring flame]

yes they do have scream sounds, they will scream so much even after you've emptied a magazine into their head.

[hasty oak]

magnified optics is for cringe people...

[bitter mason]

No i mean just when being hit, not when theyre downed or killed

[daring flame]

yes

[bitter mason]

Huh, genuinely havent noticed

[frail quartz]

I guess it's probably just hard to notice over the gunshots and screaming of your teammates

[stone bay]

finished port using only flashbangs and taser. didnt touch anything else in my inventory and still didnt get hanged man. anybody know why?

[tough spire]

Did you order your bots at all?

[stone bay]

yes

[tough spire]

That's why 😦

[stone bay]

i cant tell them to go anywhere?

[tough spire]

It's a fucking stupid achievement. As long as YOU run flash and taser only it counts.

But - you can't give commands or use any other gear

So basically just run around making your bots shoot people for you, or like just flash everything and blitz in first.

[stone bay]

it's my last achievement 😭

[daring flame]

how do you get the killed by a civ achiev?

[tough spire]

Easiest way is Voll House, make mommy Voll punch you to death.

[daring flame]

thanks man

[tough spire]

I gotchu

[frail quartz]

Please never call her that again

[tough spire]

Did I awaken something in you?

[frail quartz]

No it's just disturbing

[gaunt turtle]

mommy voll 🤤

[frail quartz]

I should've seen this coming

[tough spire]

Ngl I didn't say anything wrong. If you're uncomfortable you might have some soul searching to do.

[gaunt turtle]

she IS a mom after all

[terse merlin]

A normal person would say Mrs. Voll

You are not normal people

[tough spire]

No offense but not going to take your opinions for what a "normal person" would say.

[dark gyro]

I have the attak-r only to make my gun as bulky as possible and I hipfire with the laser pointer anyways

[drifting fog]

how

[dark gyro]

you don't aim down sights fully, you're eyeballing the scope which makes it look like a very small magnifying glass with paint on it

and they wobble

[terse merlin]

🎣

[drifting fog]

oh i have a mod for the lpvo