👮ron-discussion

[drifting burrow]

oh ok, its just hasn't happened to me yet. maybe i get lucky lol

[shy tulip]

The shooters on Elephant are on a timer, if you take too long or interact with them, then they start shooty shoot

[modern birch]

In the briefing I meant. At the tab "media" on the tablet

[summer copper]

ohh right interesting, i'll have a look at that tomorrow

[drifting burrow]

yeah theres briefings and 911 calls just like swat 4. i thought it wasn't even in the game at first but then i found it on the tablet thingy. weird place to put it but it makes sense if you dont want to be locked in the police room to make all the decisions there

[summer copper]

does the amount of bullets to kill a suspect change with every suspect cuz sometimes i shoot a suspect 4 times and they're incap but shoot another 4 times in the same mission, same gun, same everything and they die

[modern birch]

Yeah. I haven't heard the entire 3rd voicecall though, so I still wonder how we players are supposed to know that there are bombs in that mission. 😒 You play the mission and SUDDENLY out of nowhere the HQ tells you sth. like "you're running out of time! Bombs will go off!" and I'm like WHAT????

[summer copper]

lmfaoo that happened to me, i got mega lucky with finding the second one just before they went off

[modern birch]

ok

[drifting burrow]

yeah the game never really tells you, only way to know is to preemptively look at the objectives when starting lol

[summer copper]

i had no idea there were bombs, i should start listening to the briefs

[smoky cedar]

All missions have 911 calls unless it’s a raid planned by the SWAT Team.

Some 911 missions include

• Sins of The Father
• Thank You, Come Again
• 23 Megabytes Per Second

Some planned missions include

• 213 Park Homes
• Ends Of The Earth
• Hide & Seek

[shy tulip]

Hot take, but RoN probably does the briefings the best because you can actually look at other tabs while the audio plays

I'm playing through the old R6 games and that fucking upsets me that I can't plan and listen

[modern birch]

But the objectives don't even mention bombs!

[summer copper]

sounds more like an ice cold take

[smoky cedar]

Rainbow Six?
Rainbow Six Vegas?
Rainbow Six 2?

[shy tulip]

R6-3

[drifting burrow]

there should be something that says bombs or 11 min remaining as one of the objectives in that level. its still dumb though, i think they should actually tell you when starting the mission tbh

[smoky cedar]

They do.
“Defuse Bomb Threat”
“Defuse both bombs located on campus. Estimated Time Remaining (which never changes on the tablet): 11 minutes.”

[shy tulip]

I think it's cool that you don't know, it adds a whole new level of stress first time playing through. You can't always plan and know everything in advance

On hospital I prefer it that they don't do like "The baddies said in their monologue that they're gonna blow up the Lego hospital"

[smoky cedar]

“Entry team, the bomb timer is approaching zero. Hurry up!”

[summer copper]

made me shit self

[modern birch]

AAAAH but ONLY once the mission starts, wtf 🤔

[smoky cedar]

That’s why I always listen to briefing and check the objectives before loading into the map. The tablet also has a floor plan, so you know what rooms you have/haven’t cleared

[drifting burrow]

unless if you look at the objectives when starting, then that whole setting kinda goes out the window

[smoky cedar]

Pretty sure i seen the objective before loading in

[shy tulip]

Okay yeah but like even if you do that the plan goes from "Aight imma clear this place slowly cause of the terrorists" to "Holy shit there are bombs?"

[summer copper]

my team took out the entire shooter squad before i even had a chance to fire a bullet so it turned into a mad dash to find the bombs

[smoky cedar]

I knew there were bombs my first time playing, but I only found 1/2 and time was ticking. I blew up.
Second time, found both of them, fucking got blasted by a group of them
Third time, found neither but secured every god damn civilian and shooter
Fourth time, almost died to a lone shooter because blue team was dead and red team was god knows where. Did every objective and won

[smoky cedar]

I prioritize looking for bombs in Relapse and Elephant more than anything until they’re disabled. I don’t give a shit about civilians or shooters, I’ll kill shooters first, restrain later. For civilians, I just have my teammates restrain them as I walk by.

[smoky cedar]

Haven’t had that happen to me. My team was content, but did nothing about the shooters.

Lone wolf basically :/

[summer copper]

i got super lucky, i've beaten a couple missions first try

[modern birch]

Strange. Not working on my end. Just mentioned it in #1050535723087958156 .

[smoky cedar]

I’ve beaten all missions first try up until that fourth or fifth mission, forgot the name.

My first mission was an A+ and my second an S, got normal A’s and A+ for the others

Currently stuck on cherryessa farm, beat Neon Tomb with a B on my 4th try

[summer copper]

the fucking booby trap house took like 5 attempts because i kept being reckless and blowing myself up

but valley of the dolls took the most effort to beat so far

[smoky cedar]

It was The Spider and A Lethal Obsession that I had to restart several times.
The spider - it was easy to beat, but some enemies failed to spawn in and I was soft locked.
A lethal obsession - i had not yet been exposed to door traps. Blew up every time i opened a door

Took me 4 tries to find out I was supposed to peek doors, then another 2 because my fatass kept shoving the door open

when i crouched and peeked the door ^^

[upbeat wadi]

i installed 1 (one) mod map via that built in mod manager thing, game has crashed twice on me after being tabbed out for a while, never happened before

[smoky cedar]

Go to tech support or report it in bug report

[upbeat wadi]

is it the mod or something else?

[smoky cedar]

Likely the mod

It’s better to download via nexus mods

[upbeat wadi]

great mod integration

a map breaks the game

ok thank you

[shy tulip]

Blame mod authors for not updating mods

[smoky cedar]

I beat that thing second try. Was executed by my team on the first one because I shot a man who surrendered after near killing me.

[upbeat wadi]

it's a MAP, I've never seen a new MAP do anything like that

[smoky cedar]

I hate how your team can just fucking execute you if you make one wrong move with suspects and civilians

But if you shoot your teammates (Unless you kill them) they don’t do shit

[summer copper]

i thought you had to command them to kill you

[shy tulip]

No they'll just kill you if you do bad

[smoky cedar]

I haven’t gotten the command for that, not even after being executed for shooting a hostage. Not even after killing a teammate

[summer copper]

didn't know that, guess i don't suck

not saying that you suck

[smoky cedar]

They kill you if you abuse your use of force, so I’m not sure how I’m supposed to get the kill me command

[shy tulip]

As soon as you do it it'll switch to kill me (all commands), you just have to be fast enough until they reach you

[summer copper]

i've only ever shot like 2 hostages after they surrendered and my team never killed me

[shy tulip]

I think you can kill one civ before they go trigger happy

Only one

[crude prism]

it's a bit weird, but there's a "in gunfight" check in place where the game will be lenient if you're gunfighting still

[summer copper]

ohh civs, not suspects?

[shy tulip]

No they'll absolutely fuck you up if you kill surrendered suspects

[summer copper]

nah cuz i played a valley of the dolls mission and executed every civilian and never got shot

[shy tulip]

[summer copper]

after both making them surrender and also restraining

[smoky cedar]

It’s mostly if you have a moral officer or S.B.A.G.S on your team, since the mental support officers on your team will encourage your teammates to kill anyone that doesn’t keep their shit together or further endangers the public

I haven’t really been shot by any teammates besides SBAGS and Moral Officer members

[summer copper]

oh i see

i haven't had an SBAGS officer with the unlocked ability yet

[smoky cedar]

But if none are on your team then your whole squad will rush you when you can’t keep your shit together

[smoky cedar]

Neither do I, but it’s mostly them who kill me. If not, my team rushes me

[crude prism]

that's not what those traits do, at all

[shy tulip]

yeah pretty sure you're gonna get fucked up regardless of their training or not

[summer copper]

that's just never happened to me, i'm not sure why

[smoky cedar]

I know, but it’s a theory
A game theory

SBAGS decreases overall stress gain
Moral officer increases the chance for officers to not instantly kill people with guns (pretty sure, at least)

Just wanted to point out that on my end it’s always them to kill me if not my whole squad rushing me

[frail quartz]

I'm pretty sure moral officer just inceases passive stress loss from completing missions with high scores

[crude prism]

morale officer increases stress reduction from arresting civilians + suspects

[smoky cedar]

so basically
Moral Officer = Arrest = less stress gain

[shy tulip]

More like they're the chaplain of the group and preach the book of the Beanbag

[crude prism]

SWAT gain stress for kills, they lose stress for arrests. That's how the whole system works

basically if 1 arrest is worth 0.1 gain, with morale officer it adds 50%, 100%, 130% and 150%
so 0.15, 0.2, 0.23, 0.25

[fast sage]

hey, is there a option to play as female characters ?

[frail quartz]

No, but they want to add them in the future

I know there's some mods for female character heads & voiceovers if you're interested in that

[fast sage]

thanks

[fast sage]

would you know if multiplayer pvp is getting added back?

[frail quartz]

Yeah, they're planning on adding it in the future, but they're focusing on improving PvE at the moment

[fast sage]

thanks, i appreciate it

[severe zephyr]

Is there a known date for a sale? Planning to buy RoN for a friend.

[prime wing]

there was one two weeks ago

so I think it will be a while for the next one

[pastel adder]

It usually goes on sale during most steam events. Otherwise it’s semi random

[severe zephyr]

alright

thanks

[upbeat wadi]

how do i get rid of the damn mod map

it still says modded in the upper right corner, still lists the map in the mission select, etc

i even quit out of the mod database thing in-game, nothin

[pastel adder]

Might have to remove it from your files manually. I’m pretty sure they explain how to in the pinned section in #❓modding-faq-archive

[smoky cedar]

Use G2A or GamersGate. The CD Keys are always on sale

[craggy yew]

CD key sites are immoral and should be shunned

[summer copper]

depends if it's an indie game or a corpo game you buy it for imo

[umbral oar]

someone just shot through the entire hq and hit a car alarm outside

[vestal mauve]

this is what 7.62 fanboys actually believe

[fast sage]

spoiler alert ||What happens if you dont close the container with the women on the port mission?||

[shy tulip]

||You explode||

[fast sage]

||really?||

[shy tulip]

Totally

[fast sage]

||Does anything actually happen?||

[shy tulip]

One way to find out

[prime wing]

You just get less points

thats about it

[fast sage]

Ironman mode is perma death right?

[frail quartz]

Yup

[fast sage]

So for the golden watch i need to not die and not lose a single officer, does that mean they cant resigne from stress too?

[shy tulip]

They cannot die, resign, or be fired

The team you get is who you need to finish

[fast sage]

can i change them up?

[shy tulip]

I mean when you unlock more slots yeah, but you can't lose them once you recruit them

[fast sage]

Getting a S grade doesnt give them stress right?

since we dont kill anyone

[shy tulip]

The score itself won't stress them, it will help a lot

But some missions do stress them out more than others

[cerulean elbow]

||The mission doesn't end. It adds a new Soft Objective, and you can either exfil and get a bad score or close it.||

[fast sage]

||Thanks||

[cerulean elbow]

👍

[slim verge]

how many suspects i need to capture alive if i have "Moral Officer" guy in my team so i dont get bad morale for rest squad? i dont wanna babysitting for every sus tbh

[shy tulip]

It depends on the map

[slim verge]

so maybe 3-4 enough?

and i can kill all other suspects with no moral penalty?

[little monolith]

hey do you lose an s rank if your officers take damage

[fast sage]

no

[little monolith]

oh man i have restarted so many times just because of damage thanks for telling me

[fast sage]

just dont let them die

[shy tulip]

It still depends on the map

I would sayy.. on the smaller maps try to go for at least half, on the larger maps maybe a 1/4

In general try to complete arrest objectives and just go naturral

[slim verge]

i think its random as well

[stone bay]

Is that even possible?

[slim verge]

cuz when i killed two suspects and captured objective target in Sullivan's hope then i got crysis

and when i eliminated all suspects apart FISA guy in Relapse mission my team really didnt care about that much

[smoky cedar]

did a recent hot fix remove the AI’s ability to kill using pepperball/beanbag guns?

[shy tulip]

It says beanbag specifically

Pepper is a lot harder to kill with

[smoky cedar]

im gonna try and S rank some missions so i need to know and make sure my teammates don’t screw up and kill anyone

[shy tulip]

However that doesn't mean they won't pull their secondary when they run out, hint hint

[smoky cedar]

yeah i know that’s why im gonna yeetus deletus their ammo

give them like 20 pellets lmao

0 live ammo

[gaunt crescent]

Are there vanilla balaclavas? If not, what mods work that add them? I have tried almost every mod under the sun and can't find one that works or if I am missing something

[smoky cedar]

No vanilla Balaclavas. I can send you the mod I use for my balaclavas, comes in black & tan.

[gaunt crescent]

Sure! Send it over

[smoky cedar]

I can’t send it right now, maybe in the morning

10:30 in the afternoon for me at the moment

[gaunt crescent]

Do you know what it is called so I can find it?

[smoky cedar]

Unsure, just search up “Balaclavas” on www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/ (At least im pretty sure that’s the link, you can just go there yourself on chrome or whatever browser you use)

[inland wolf]

anyone know how many pakchunks SHOULD be in my pak folder?

i think i accidentally deleted one

[stone stump]

can't you just verify the game files?

[inland wolf]

im doing that but it constantly slows down at like 99%

[upbeat wadi]

alright, elephant

any advice? ive heard it's a b word of a mission

PS why is there a bot filtering bad words here at all, i think the fanbase of an R rated heart attack simulator featuring themes such as cp can MAYBE handle a rude word being used in the discussion

[crude prism]

mission is EZ clap, make sure to go slow and cover everything because the shooters will hide

[stone stump]

because it's a big discord server and it's required by discord to keep it neutral and safe for everyone (doesn't really work btw). also, the game isn't R rated

[upbeat wadi]

isnt this supposed to be a hostage type situation? in which case the protocol is usually to go FAST FAST FAST

[vestal mauve]

no you want to speed through Elephant to find the shooters
you have 12 seconds before they start finding targets to kill

[crude prism]

thats fake news

[vestal mauve]

after you take them out, THEN you search for civvies
you gotta play it like a real SWAT team would to get a good ranking

[stone stump]

not true at all

[upbeat wadi]

so all big servers are like this, enforced by the dev team itself? it's uncanny how every big tech company seems to be run by your grandma

apple deletes music for bad words and movies for nudity (compulsively, often illegally even), google keyboard is very, very insistent about not learning any swear words in any language i use (which means it already knows them and it's programmed to take ten times as many uses to memorize those words specifically), youtube demonetizes you for saying a bad word in your videos, now discord will not tolerate foul language on its app

who are these idiotic restrictions FOR? i dont think i can even remember ever meeting anyone who actually wanted bad words gone from games, movies, music and the like. they may exist, im not saying they don't, but why is everything geared towards them now like THEY are the majority? this aint 1932

[upbeat wadi]

a real swat team does exactly what i just said, theyll sprint in like kenyan olympic runners and drop everything that's still holding a gaun

[cerulean remnant]

nah

[vernal bane]

That is false, I spedran S rank without taking out suspects first

[stone stump]

both USA and EU have laws that cause this basically, "social platforms" have to be "safe" for everyone and that means inconveniences for everyone

[vernal bane]

But on a more serious note it is pretty good advice

I think majority of people would deduce suspects -> bombs -> civys

[cerulean remnant]

they would call 10 bearcats and 50 units and after 3 hours they'll run in there throwing OC gas nades behind a big ahh shield and if suspects open fire they'll get absolutely dropped by snipers across another state

[stone stump]

unless you don't know about the bombs because you haven't read the briefing

[upbeat wadi]

what's unsafe about a word you've seen in the books you had to read at age 13 for your lit class?

[vestal mauve]

no actually they'd all stand outside and some asshole with a Punisher lock screen on his phone would restrain parents from trying to get in

[cerulean remnant]

what Is briefing

[vernal bane]

True enough, but you could hear beeping and a glowing red dot in your vision and deduce it is something to worry about

Unless you really are ignorant

[cerulean remnant]

what if it is an alarm clock

I'll be the one paying it

[undone valve]

I forgot about the bombs until TOC started yelling at me about them

[vernal bane]

Alarm clocks aren't a circular red round dot

[cerulean remnant]

mine is

[upbeat wadi]

lmao that sounds about right

anyway this isnt a swat type situation in real life, i think. it'd be HRT's job

and HRT's doctrine is "hostage missions are to be done as quickly as possible"

[stone stump]

ron isn't really known for its world interactivity, so it's very real someone will take the beeping for an ambient sound

[vestal mauve]

his school didn't leave alarm clocks out in the open all day
laughingSWAT.jpg

[vernal bane]

That's fair, I'd argue that a really prominent red dot would still attract attention

And you would go up and look at the model

[cerulean remnant]

what if that school does

[humble mauve]

Guess you could say it’s known for its… void interactivity

[cerulean remnant]

we'll never know

[stone stump]

not even sure if swat is supposed to defuse the bombs tbh

[vestal mauve]

SWAT gotta do everything in Los Suenos

[undone valve]

There’s a bomb squad for a reason

Except probably not in LS

[stone stump]

yeah, excels at interaction with its community

[humble mauve]

Well in a situation where the scene is still active and the bombs are timed/active you don’t really get to wait around for bomb squads to show up

[stone stump]

evacuate then

[humble mauve]

Just for extreme circumstances like that you’d probably just do whatever you can

[upbeat wadi]

no
not a tactical team anyway

cops got bomb squads special for it., like in the hit film the hurt locker

[vestal mauve]

are the bombs even in the briefing? i was under the impression D Platoon stumbles upon them and has to make do

[undone valve]

TOC knows about them without you running into them so they’re probably mentioned somewhere

[stone stump]

no idea, i just assumed they were

[upbeat wadi]

im pretty sure they arent, just heard it for the fiurst time

[vestal mauve]

man the story feels really disconnected at times

[stone stump]

i'm the one not reading briefings

imagine the story doesn't exist and everything will make sense now

[undone valve]

Weird for TOC to just randomly drop in “bomb timer is almost out of time lol” part way through the mission

But also seems entirely RoN like for that to happen

[stone stump]

certified ron moment

[crimson quiver]

i dont know if this to of topic for the channel but i thought id ask anyway. does any one know the current position on tasers being used along side a shield. im very new to the game and can find very little discussion on the topic anywhere.

[vestal mauve]

you cant for some unholy reason

[crimson quiver]

ive seen people imply it used to be an option

[stone stump]

it was because taser used to be a secondary

it's been changed for the "full release"

[prime wing]

certified ron moment

[crimson quiver]

has there been any dev comment on the issue yet?

[stone stump]

but i mean using taser + shield doesn't make much sense. you shouldn't be using a taser if you need a shield anyway

[stone stump]

very rare thing to see unless you paid $80 for the supporter edition

[crimson quiver]

lol

[crimson quiver]

the game does have some situations where it could be useful. earlier today i was solo clearing rehab and (i forget the cells leaders name) just kept running away from me until i ran out of stingers.

then it i was just left with shooting him with the hope he would just go uncon

[stone stump]

i see why it could be useful, but it would be a very "gamified" feature nonetheless

only there so you can cheese taser 1 hit stuns (unless they changed it in the recent patch, i don't really remember)

[crimson quiver]

it may not be "realistic" but neither is a swat team assaulting armed compounds with bean bag shotguns and pepper ball guns

[stone stump]

obviously

[stark fox]

Almost finished with the game and I think I found one of RON's biggest flaws

it's a CQB game but it feels too open and too scattered with suspects. My favorite maps were all mostly CQB but the ones I despised were open maps like Greased Palms and Hide and Seek

normally it wouldn't be that bad but ||the final level|| has about ||20|| suspects minimum. And yet the player is expected to finish this in a large map with only 4 teammates

[prime wing]

It does not help that mid range scopes in this game suck

[shy tulip]

It's eotech or nothing

[prime wing]

best option is to flank around enemies or getting closer afaik

Unless heavy suppression on suspects has some effect on morale/stress or whatever

I dont know

no clue

[humble mauve]

I don't think it does

it makes sense for it to, but also it somewhat incentivizes just winging shots at general areas instead of directly at confirmed threats

which kinda goes against the whole saving lives thing

[prime wing]

maybe hide n seek just incentivizes hiding and moving around the level (no pun intended), instead of engaging suspects directly across the warehouse or outside

[shy tulip]

I think it's probably more focused on MP and how your team moves together, there are a lot of places that if you rush ahead or one team member doesn't do their job, you can get killed.

Same for the bots, but easier to control since they're pretty autonomous in that sense

[stone bay]

The city is based out of what city irl?

[stark fox]

probs Los Angeles given it's name

[vestal mauve]

cross between LA and San Diego

[junior depot]

Mk16 is one of my favorite guns - same with MP7, P90 & MP5/10mm

[bitter field]

whats up with the "catch me if I fall through the stairs" line? I get the idea that the hotel is supposed to haunted but that is kinda funky

[humble mauve]

well.. guess you'll find out if you fall through the stairs

[bitter field]

hmm haven't had that happen yet but I guess there is a neat line for such an occasion huh

[vestal mauve]

bro noclipped out of reality

[buoyant cape]

will there ever be a fix to the stress system? its kinda dumb as hell

thought it was cool at first then all my officers went into crisis after 1 mission

[wispy mural]

I think it’d be pretty cool to have cutscenes with the therapist themselves

Or actually maybe starting cutscenes for all the maps to give out more of a cinematic feel

[upbeat wadi]

so the worst and the best levels directly follow each other

interesting

[tough spire]

The way they did the trailers it felt like therapy would be an actual thing you'd see

[upbeat wadi]

worst and best so far, at least

too bad the best one (rust belt) is also the easiest of the Proper Levels, the way the game is selling it to you it should have been a good deal harder

[tough spire]

You think Rust Belt is the best? Why?

Which one do you think is the worst?

[upbeat wadi]

elephant

it's not AWFUL but it's really not very good

[earnest phoenix]

fellow elephant hater 🤝

[tough spire]

I hate Elephant but don't think it's the worst

[earnest phoenix]

i hate it for its execution it couldve been so much better

[upbeat wadi]

you run around looking for bombs you don't even know are there, struggle with doors because they're all double and opening those is incredibly awkward, fight 4 (four) dudes you'll probably hear and/or see way before they become proper dangerous, and then spend about as much time as you spent on everything above looking for the 61 civilians they've crammed in it

[crude prism]

we need to up the suspect count so it's not as much time spent looking for civs

[tough spire]

Rescuing the civvies is the only thing I really don't like it.

[crude prism]

like 12 suspects and maybe 60 civs

[upbeat wadi]

how about the game didn't force you to look for them at all once all the other objectives are done

[crude prism]

elephant needs some kind of 'all clear' announcement that can be made over the intercom, it's kinda absurd playing hide and seek for 20 min

[upbeat wadi]

I'm prepared to give like 3 bucks to whoever can convince me it's not a total waste of your time

[earnest phoenix]

so true they should try to recreate beslan school siege that would make the level peak

[crude prism]

if you turn off the hud and don't see the "bring order to chaos objective" or know that it's only 4 guys, It's very immersive to manually clear everything

[upbeat wadi]

yeah with tanks and BTRs

[earnest phoenix]

ofc you would have to manually find and restrain all 350 civs yourself

[crude prism]

350? that's weak sauce, we can surely cram at least 400 into the auditorium alone

[upbeat wadi]

dunno having major trouble trying to open a fuckin double door doesn't do wonders for my immersion

[crude prism]

what kind of trouble are you having opening doors? lol

[upbeat wadi]

double doors? you need to aim with uncanny precision at the exact right spot to have no problems

[crude prism]

🤷

[upbeat wadi]

it shouldn't take four seconds and two failed streets where you peek it inst

[crude prism]

lul

[upbeat wadi]

shooting an enemy is literally easier than opening a fuckin door, maybe MAYBE they should rethink the controls

anyway, if all you got left to do is find some civilians, staying to do that should definitely be an option

I think that's how swat 4 did it actually

i literally spent more time doing that on elephant than the actual mission

we know this because the timers are set for 10 minutes and the time i got was 19 minutes and change, so it was probably something like 9 minutes for the real objectives , 11 for that bullshit filler

and it's the most absurd example in the game but I think the "i spent 30 minutes looking for the last civilians" kind are simply better

[buoyant cape]

there definitely needs to be an AI overhaul too, i order my squad to restrain and they just wont until i spam it on the civ or suspect

then eventually if they stop digging in their ass which is only half the time theyll do it

[tawny scroll]

Suspects rly training for dat shank glock jutsu

[inland wolf]

12 school shooters

thats insanity in my opinion

[dreamy garden]

Does anyone know if the preacher guy is on like 24/7/365

[vestal mauve]

Worst is clearly Mindjot WTF

[dreamy garden]

and do chemlights despawn

[stone bay]

Do you ever use flashbangs?

[inland wolf]

me and some friends managed to push the preacher guy into the practice area

we're about to dog his ass

[tender chasm]

What exactly does he do

[inland wolf]

HOLY SHIT WE DID IT

[dreamy garden]

HES FUCKING GONE!!!!!!!!

[inland wolf]

WE FUCKING CRASHED HIM

How to crash the preacher

• Step 1 : Get a battering ram
• Step 2 : Hit him until he is downstairs in the training area with the doors (Be careful not to kill him)
• Step 3 : Use a loadout that consists of nothing but stingers, best to do this with multiple people
• Step 4 : Throw them and shit on his fps

[tender chasm]

What does he even do to deserve this

[inland wolf]

he afks in public lobbies

[tender chasm]

I need the lore

[inland wolf]

with schizo bible preaching verses and shit on repeat

[tender chasm]

Oh neat

[inland wolf]

hes on 24/7 and people constantly join and get annoyed then leave

[tender chasm]

Cultists uhh I mean heavily religious people are always cool

I love inciting violence in the name of an imaginary guy in a book

[earnest phoenix]

have you tried spamming chat i heard that can crash/heavily lag lobbies too

[tender chasm]

That's definitely not schizophrenia at all

I had a friend that once said "the only difference between schizophrenia and religion is religion was written down"

[inland wolf]

we could try that yeah

we were figuring out methods to crash/overheat his computer

[tender chasm]

Doesn't RoN use P2P networking?

[inland wolf]

yes

[tender chasm]

If he's hosting these sessions, we may be able to do a little trolling

[inland wolf]

he is

[tender chasm]

The devious plan 🙂

For legal reasons I am a joke

[inland wolf]

if we destroy his computer we wont have to listen to his schizo rants

its a public service

[tender chasm]

I was just going to turn his router into a microwave

[tender chasm]

has he not came back yet?

[dreamy garden]

thats what we did

[dreamy garden]

no idea

the server timed out for like 15 seconds then it disconnected

[tender chasm]

nah y'all just crashed his game

i was gonna hit him offline for like

forever lol, but he hasn't come back yet

at least not in my browser

[fallow sage]

It's been a fully week now, and I still think Swan really has the most charming voice in the cast

he lives in my head rent free help

[hardy plinth]

So what exactly do I have to do to get an S-rank? Not have anyone die and complete all objectives?

[fallow sage]

yes

[hardy plinth]

Does getting hit matter? Do I also need to make sure I bagged all guns?

[quick ocean]

Make sure you nor anyone in your team dies either 🙂

[hardy plinth]

ah I actually like to play solo without the AI so that's no problem

(as long as I live)

[quick ocean]

Cool. Getting hit isn't a problem, just don't die 😛

[hardy plinth]

Also are tasers still broken in multiplayer?

[quick ocean]

I'm not entirely sure on that

[hardy plinth]

I'm pretty sure the enemy was even walking around with the wire glued to his chest yesterday when I was playing

[fallow sage]

hitscan moment

[tawny scroll]

mk16 gang wya

[hardy plinth]

also do pepperballs for whatever reason not work when they pop on a wall?

I've had that happen multiple times last run

[broken haven]

what is "Rooster (FDT)

[fallow sage]

A glove

[upbeat wadi]

okay new rule

secret service personnel get executed upon quitting or being fired

alternatively, the same happens to any cop station captain who decides to send five guys to deal with 15 ex-special branch loonies with body armor and top of the line rifles

[shadow ether]

It appears that they are the only five guys the city has

[hardy plinth]

Can I still get an s-rank if someone is incapacitated?

Somehow incapacitated someone with the beanbag shotgun

[stone stump]

no

[shadow ether]

Nope
Only if they were that way when you got there

[hardy plinth]

I shot a guy once with the beanbag and he got incapacitated

I think if it were a headshot it would kill him

[upbeat wadi]

man fuck sins of the fathers

am i missing something

[shadow ether]

A frail guy, huh
Never had that happen with the suspects

[upbeat wadi]

it's always the last asshole

the LAST

[stone stump]

pretty sure you're missing skill

[hardy plinth]

Also, is there any point at all at letting people live if you're not going for an S rank specifically?

[stone stump]

A+ score

[hardy plinth]

Oh so it always affects your rank how many people you killed?

So 1/10 suspects arrested will give me a worse score than 9/10

[shadow ether]

You can beat the levels with C even if all suspects are dead, assuming you didn't get an unauthorized use of deadly force

[stone stump]

it's really hard to get one by accident smh

[hardy plinth]

So this is true then?

What about incapacitations then

[shadow ether]

Incapacitations give less score than an arrest but we get A scores routinely going full lethal

[hardy plinth]

If I can't find the gun a suspect dropped, does that mean my S-rank run is doomed?

[jolly verge]

you can command your swat ai to search and secure

they will find it even under texture

[hardy plinth]

I also noticed that enemies just... bag their own guns after they die

[jolly verge]

might be due to fact that weapon drop under map and secured by self

[shadow ether]

I had a gun bag itself when a suspect dropped it under a hospital bed way out of my reach

[frigid igloo]

ngl it'd be great if the character customization saved with the loadouts, its tiring wanting to go from black to multicam and having to do it manually, for every teammate

[sharp herald]

carriers of the vine I shot the lady tree thing they worship. it cued this creepy fucking music. what is that

[upbeat wadi]

lmao got around to checking the evidence locker, and that little table about border guards

"written in spanish"

uhhh
contentious

[frozen beacon]

does anyone know exactly what "Safe Mode" does? or does it only disable mods?

[stone stump]

dx11 without mods

[verbal idol]

Just pretty much what the guy above said it’s so if something is breaking your game you can load in without mods

[frozen beacon]

are you sure? pretty sure MSI Afterburner reports DX12

yes it does

(but that doesnt have to mean its correct)

[stone stump]

don't know about you, but i would trust msi afterburner more. looks like im just wrong, my bad then

[frozen beacon]

I was hoping I had found a mod off-switch with the Safe Mode without having to uninstall them

[stone stump]

still kinda weird given how dx12 is seen as the unstable api (so not very safe)

[frozen beacon]

I heard it runs better than dx11 but has drops

[smoky cedar]

yes your right it has hella lag spikes and freezes sometimes

[stone stump]

depends on the machine and many other things

[smoky cedar]

i experience the same lag on both multiplayer and singleplayer. the only thing multiplayer changes are the already long loading screens

[plucky sage]

I don't think afterburner would report with which dx version the current game is running. Rather, I'd guess it reports what dx version your graphics card is running (i.e. the highest version it could possibly support). Just a guess though

[smoky cedar]

i run all of my games on dx12 and they run fine

[stone stump]

i can play both dx11 and dx12 with no lag at all

[smoky cedar]

RoN just needs some more optimization i guess. it's a good game by itself, but i lag alot

[frozen beacon]

it correctly reports DX11 when launching in DX11

[crystal sierra]

Did they ever clarify what nutritionist do as an role? I understand armorer, like, it increases your armor HP, but from what i understood, there is no let's say actual health bar beside armor? What's the role of nutritionist then, lol?

[frozen beacon]

what GPU u got?

[jolly verge]

25% more health

[plucky sage]

That's interesting, I didn't know that

[stone stump]

3060 12GB

[jolly verge]

for swat team only, not you

[smoky cedar]

increases HP of you and your teammates at the start
armorer increases the damage they can take before armor breaks

or at least increases the amount of bullets that fail to penetrate their vest

either way they get more armor

[frozen beacon]

@stone stump you play with DLSS right?

[stone stump]

i do

[frozen beacon]

I have 4070ti, I get good FPS but it drops for sure when spraying, I dont play with DLSS cuz the laser pointer gets ghosting

[stone stump]

there's been a old fix for "fps drop when you start shooting" by disabling steam input in game properties

[smoky cedar]

i have like a 3070 ti or a 3090 ti i think.

[frozen beacon]

interesting, I try that

[stone stump]

what's your cpu btw?

[frozen beacon]

okay I notice no difference

12600k @5,2Ghz, Im getting like 20-30% CPU usage I think

[jolly verge]

Did you try set poolsize command in engine.ini?

[frozen beacon]

I tried messing with that and didnt notice any difference

[jolly verge]

Even with blurry textures?

[hollow citrus]

YO GUYS

[jolly verge]

Gotta record video with comparison so you will see difference

[hollow citrus]

how does adamah on neon club looks like

[frozen beacon]

@jolly verge idk if I did something wrong, cuz afterburner reported the same VRAM usage

[jolly verge]

Did you try 1 value?

[frozen beacon]

if I tried poolsize 0, 3k and 12k

[jolly verge]

that make all textures blurry

0 is unlimited

3 is already default and could reach your max vram so 12k will do nothing

[stone stump]

no

[umbral oar]

some of these death animations are cartoony asf

[hardy plinth]

Does the flash launcher not work like at all?

I shoot it right besides a suspect's feet and he does not respond at all

[stone stump]

nuh uh, it's the suspects not giving a fuck

[hardy plinth]

Do the stingers work more reliably?

I feel like that's already a low bar

[errant musk]

Play elephant map with pumped up kicks music feel so good

[hardy plinth]

Do they work the same as thrown flashbangs or do I have to get a direct hit or something

[subtle shoal]

why can't I change weapons in the public lobby? i use mk18 but when i want to change to another weapon nothing happens

[thick narwhal]

Yo are we able to ban or hide those WatchmenWakeuponYT fruit cakes? Waste of space and breath on this game always connecting to a sever just to hear that idiot preach and never start a game

[crystal sierra]

C2 and Gas works best overall in order to force them to surrender, tho, you need to help your team with that, they will usually throw gas right on the door, so, if room is big, you will need to throw 1 more in order to force them to surrender quickly, Breaching shotgun and RAM doesn't work that good since if you break door with shotgun, they will start shooting at you before you even have a chance to throw anything.

[hardy plinth]

I notice the stinger grenades work better with the m320

[crystal sierra]

They can hurt suspects, that's an issue, gas can't. Point is to make an as much explosion as you can in order to force them to surrender, in general stinger / frag would work best, but again, point is to get them alive if you can. Put your team to get C2 on the door, immidetly when explosion happen don't even wait for smoke / debris to clear out, throw Gas immidetly and they will not have time to react pretty much, gas needs like 1/2 sec after throwing to activate but in general they will surrender immidetly after gas is thrown.

[verbal idol]

You know the more I pay attention to the details of the missions the more I realize each have a connected story in sets of threes with some parts overlapping onto other stories

Like how thank you come again lead to twisted nerve which later with a few more missions in between end up leading to the rust belt mission

Looking through a lot of the details of this stuff makes me feel like a detective man

[tropic sleet]

Is the ai still cranked?

[verbal idol]

Wut

[candid aspen]

I think he means does the AI still have the reaction time of the flash

[verbal idol]

Oh eh…depends on what type

[hardy plinth]

What's the difference between the two night vision goggles?

[crystal sierra]

Unfortunately it's only external aesthetics. GPNVGs, being quad tubes, should give you a larger FOV than the dual-tube NVGs, but they don't in-game.

[kindred temple]

i might fucked up my "The Hermit" achievement run

actually hold on

[hardy plinth]

How do I know whether the enemies in the mission I'm about to start will have armor?

[crystal sierra]

Pretty much, best you can do is to listen to briefing, before you start mission bring out your tablet and listen to briefing

[hardy plinth]

Oh ok

I'm about to do the car dealership one now

I assume they'll have some might armor?

I just wanna play with a shotgun or an smg to change things up

[crystal sierra]

Sometimes, you will face civilians with guns, sometimes, you will encounter terrorists, sometimes, you will encounter rogue marines, etc etc etc. Some have armor, some not, there is even suspects in disguise in some mission, don't wanna spoil which one tho 😄

[stone bay]

Shotgun buckshot shoot there hands and legs

[hardy plinth]

just blow off their kneecaps

[stone bay]

Don’t matter what they got on at that point

It’s actually pretty fun to shoot someone’s leg off like 50m away lol

[buoyant cape]

how many missions are there total? i keep getting to the end of a mission thinking thats it but then they hit me with another mission ive done like 12 lmao

[stone bay]

Idk 🤷

Off the top of my head

[jolly verge]

18

[crystal sierra]

Last mission is called hide and seek, that's all you need to know xD

[buoyant cape]

holy fucking shit i have 6 more missions i have already sunk like 50 hours into this game, great game tho cant lie nothing else like this on the market rn

[crystal sierra]

Try Six Days in Fallujah, less content then in RoN, army setting tho. And it's pretty much randomized maps, RoN have stale same maps, once you realize where suspects spawn and stuff like that it's pretty boring xD

[crude prism]

'guess, lmao' -Void

There are a ton of suspects that cannot feasibly be wearing armor (based on their appearance) that count as armored too. Game is trolling

[buoyant cape]

yeah, i heard about 6 days but i don't know if theres enough content yet to justify the 40 dollar price tag, (i think its 40 i dont know) but if its like this but with the army setting i might check it out, never seen real gameplay only heard people talk shit lol

[crude prism]

SDIF also sits around 200 players so I think you might be able to tell which one has more replay value

[crystal sierra]

There is only 4/5 missions, but like i said, map is always random, house layouts are random, everything is basiclly random, you can even die out of nowhere aka mortar can fall on your head, pretty much is much more chaotic then RoN. And also, just to prepare you, there is still no AI teammates to play with, you are kind of forced to play with other people, solo is kind of impossible for now.

[buoyant cape]

damn, i like solo play more but I think i need a content refresher after playing RoN for a week and a half straight lmao, im definitely gonna check it out now

never thought id like PvE ai shooters but here i am

[stone bay]

Sdif is 100% not as replay able

[umbral oar]

The amount of people i meet in public lobbies with the gold watch is shocking

[stone bay]

Because of the mod lol

[umbral oar]

yeah i guessed

look at those fakers

[stone bay]

This game was getting to the point of SDIF but the 1.0 saved it

I mean it was always there just paywalled

[crystal sierra]

SDIF pretty much can't be boring since like i said, always new stuff, it's never the same. They are planning to add Singleplayer mode 'till march or april. But for now, this must suffice, as well, community is pretty small, but chill, mostly you will encounter patriotic americans who will talk only about guns, how rednecks are most fucked people in the world, how they have freedom bla bla bla. xD

[stone bay]

Shits super boring dude, there’s nothing to do it’s the same missions

This game it’s the same building but your never getting engaged the same

Plus mod support 😄

[buoyant cape]

the 1.0 was definitely a needed update but there are so many changes I would make to make it better like just completely fucking scrapping the stress system so I can lethal all the suspects and feel like a gangster

[stone bay]

Yeah but if that’s only the single player it’s fine there

[buoyant cape]

thats why im thinkin they wont change it honestly but pretty much everything other than that makes this game a good8/10 for me

[stone bay]

Definitely need the mod like tappy to be integrated in the game,

[buoyant cape]

yes, and the visceral blood mod actually in the game would be nice, add an extra layer of realism to an already too realistic game lmao

[umbral oar]

funny how i can spread someone’s brain paste on the wall and they’ll be “incapped” brotha is NOT waking up

[crude prism]

yeah that's a new 'feature' from the headshot multipliers getting fixed

I don't expect it will stay for very long

[stone bay]

lol I forgot the heads used to disappear

[wheat wren]

Does anybody here have experience restoring milsurp pre WWI rifles?

[craggy yew]

Interesting place to ask

[stone bay]

https://tenor.com/view/squire-salute-battlefield-v-gif-22607751

[verbal wigeon]

RoN update currently downloading, not seen any patch notes yet

[undone valve]

I was about to come here and ask about that

6 gb update no patch notes 💔

[verbal wigeon]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/6088373497686064436?l=english

There you go

[undone valve]

[stone bay]

Does it work with official servers

I would assume so since it’s p2p

I bought the game already sorry

Probably not here since this is the official server where the developers want their money

[winter orbit]

Go back to the circus, you clown.

[inland wolf]

what is this server

[undone valve]

my personal server

[inland wolf]

aw

[umbral oar]

woah that hotfix came earlier than expected

nice void

[mental fable]

The AI are fixed or still got some bugs ?

[umbral oar]

just optimization stuff

[modern birch]

Do you know how big this "hotfix" is?

[dreamy garden]

tiny

[verbal wigeon]

6gb

[modern birch]

[dreamy garden]

wait so they optimize things yet make the game larger by 6gb?

that doesnt sound right

[modern birch]

What?? NOO!!!

the size of the patch!!! It replaces lots of files!!! THAT'S how patches work!

[umbral oar]

i cant even check out the update for a week

[shy tulip]

Anyway

[mental fable]

So the AIs are still not fixed ?

[jovial torrent]

My god what a meaningless "hotfix"

[dreamy garden]

man discord fucking sucks at scam prevention

[stone bay]

I don’t wanna say I but

Lmao

Why would you click that link anyway

[sick pebble]

STILL no fix for the PVS-15?

[silver willow]

6,3Gb

[dreamy garden]

Their friend probably sent it to them

[sick pebble]

This is insane

[dreamy garden]

thinking it was a legit link

[shy tulip]

Meaningless hotfix when they changed performance for the entire game?

[dreamy garden]

and the cycle continues

[jovial torrent]

Who cares about performance when the game is fucking ass anyway

[stone bay]

Lmao performance is better

People that couldn’t play before can play now

[shy tulip]

This is still the consequences of sending money to Nigerian princes

[jovial torrent]

glorious 400 fps playing a shit game

[dreamy garden]

They ruined shield glare while trying to fix it

I hope its actually fixed now

[jovial torrent]

god i will never give void any more money I have learnt my lesson with these scammers

[stone bay]

People these days are so crazy 😜

How much did you spend on the game

[dreamy garden]

isnt the new content going to be paywalled when its released

later in the year

[jovial torrent]

too much for this worse than swat 4 game

[stone bay]

Yes

[tawny star]

@stone bay I mean... more than crazy. They are too soft

[stone bay]

DLC is paid dlc

[dreamy garden]

and im guessing no new content for regular people

[jovial torrent]

oh dont worry you are getting free guns as if all the guns in the game arent the fucking same

[dreamy garden]

50 dollars is a crazy price to pay when you really only get 60 or so hours of gameplay out of the game

and yearly updates

[modern birch]

"On PC platforms, patches are typically installed by editing or replacing existing files"

[hasty oak]

anyone tried patch yet

[tawny star]

@dreamy garden you have a whole game!!! What do you want more? You want more? Pay!!! You want a trailer for your car, pay for it!!!! Simple

[summer copper]

i've always gauged it by £1 = 1 hour of playtime

if my playtime is equal in hours to the amount i paid for it, then id say it was money well spent

[dreamy garden]

Its the same stuff on repeat every time since they removed the different gamemodes

[stone bay]

I paid like 20$ on g2a

[jovial torrent]

I dont understand what this game tries to be

They act as if they are a live service game, yet they cant even get fucking hotfixes out while they are hot..

[stone bay]

Got 100 hours of gameplay

Games worth 50$

If I had to pay it

[soft narwhal]

People value their games differently. It's very subjective.

[stone bay]

I think it’s a generational thing

[hasty oak]

ron worth 1 megamillion

[crude prism]

what the fuck does this mean, that's not what "live service" is

[verbal wigeon]

Agree, I got Helldivers 2 for £26 and have played 17 hours, easily payed for itself in the fun I've had already - servers are screwed right now as that is going to win game of the year with the 500% increase in players in a week

[summer copper]

i think that corpos charging $70 for their games is ridiculous and extortionate

[jovial torrent]

void can suck my fucking bunghole man way to ruin a good thing for swat fans.

[soft narwhal]

Mw3 moment

[stone bay]

😂 when a game needs money to make new content

[fast sage]

damn bro i have to do a 55gb patch

[shy tulip]

Quad A experience

[quartz echo]

Hows the update? Is the performance better?

[summer copper]

yea i haven't bought a game new since dying light 2, was not worth the £60 preorder bonuses

[hasty oak]

i just want the slowdowns fixed when swat stack up

[jovial torrent]

Its so telling where development is when people like Chris the cop was hyped in early access but barely wants to touch the game after 1.0... They have had everyone standing ready to provide feedback but they have refused it all.

[soft narwhal]

You're only downloading a few GB's or less. Not 55GB.

It's patching over / going through the rest of the game after the download

[dreamy garden]

I mean something as small as the preacher dude, literally the only lobby people can connect to without using mods

[stone bay]

I think y’all gave buyers remorse

*have

[dreamy garden]

takes an hour to crash his game, but only 2 minutes for him to make a new lobby

does it 24/7

[fast sage]

dying light 2 was the worst 60 i ever spent

[summer copper]

takes 2 clicks to leave the lobby

[crude prism]

press F to board ship

black screen

'boarding successful'

[jovial torrent]

if i could refund the game after 1.0 i would fucking do it trust me on that void deserves nothing but bankruptcy

[willow kraken]

I like Ready or Not and I think it was worth the money

[summer copper]

yup... sure i beat it twice but i wouldn't say it was worth it

[shy tulip]

Don't

[tawny star]

@stone bay 😅

[summer copper]

damn man you're on the WARPATH you gotta chill bro surely

[muted star]

Ohhh come on

[prime wing]

hes on a mission

[jovial torrent]

the brown nosing of void has to stop at this point

[summer copper]

most of us just play the game man i haven't had a single problem with it

[jovial torrent]

ok but the game is nowhere near where they promised it would be so enjoy your half assed ""swat"" shooter

terrorist hunt ass game

[tawny star]

@summer copper he is in a war right now, you can't stop him🤣

[stone bay]

Depends how you play

[jovial torrent]

If rainbow 6 added a HANDS UP yell button it would be 99% identical tgo RON

[summer copper]

what is your deal man chill out

[stone bay]

I think this has the potential to be a sandbox game eventually

[dreamy garden]

don't even go there

[stone bay]

If they had a level creator tool

[dreamy garden]

r6 is so ass and shouldnt even be named a tactical shooter

[royal sand]

ok i will ty

[willow kraken]

What's stopping you from leaving and going to Zero Hour, Ground Branch, or SCP 5K

[jovial torrent]

Why not are you mad im saying it as it is

[crude prism]

R6 is a meme

[dreamy garden]

game fell off so hard from the goodness it used to be way back then

[summer copper]

oops what i do

[jovial torrent]

Because those games arent trying to be swat shooters and also they are ass

[stone bay]

Rainbow six Vegas 2 is better than all these games

[summer copper]

the game is not that bad man i think you're just a hater cuz it's not exactly the way you want it

[jovial torrent]

Its maddening how a team with 100+ million dollars in the bank cant make a game even 50% as good as swat 4..

[soft narwhal]

Rainbow six Vegas 2 was ass compared to the first 😭

[stone bay]

Multiplayer was not ass

[dreamy garden]

r6 was an attempt then it became so unrealistic and appealed to the e sports category of players instead of the playerbase

[shy tulip]

(I think Vegas 1 is kinda ass playing it now, dunno about then)

[soft narwhal]

Okay true

But I prefer Vegas 1

[summer copper]

i haven't played any r6 game other than siege, are the others better

[shy tulip]

We're not going there

[jovial torrent]

void need to pull this fucking game at this point go back to early access man admit you did an oopsie and own up to it

[crude prism]

"more money" does not suddenly turn Void into a AAA sized studio lmao

[soft narwhal]

I'm curious where does the 100 million dollar come from

[crystal sierra]

Actually it does, if it's used correctly xD

[jovial torrent]

go look at sale estimates

[shy tulip]

Void has become a Quad A studio

I forgot what the term for x5 is

[soft narwhal]

Can you provide source pls

Where you're getting the info from

[jovial torrent]

3.2 - 4.7 million owners

[summer copper]

hang on im gonna google what the difference between triple quad and quintuple A game studios are

[jovial torrent]

https://steamdb.info/app/1144200/charts/

[stone bay]

Wait they went plaid?

[dreamy garden]

but is that before or after steam takes away a percentage

[jovial torrent]

steams cut depends on the amount of sales so it is less than 30% cut

again i will say it 70 days without a meaningful update to this bumhole game. I am not bullish on this game at all.

[shy tulip]

I thought the rule was take reviews times it by 3 or 4 and then do 30% cut

[jovial torrent]

Void showed their hand in early access so I know what to expect.

[dreamy garden]

Also did they do the regional pricing thing so its always 50 USD or can you buy it for like 25 USD in some third world country

[shy tulip]

If you do that RoN hasn't even made a quarter of 100m

[dreamy garden]

but steam patched that I think

[jovial torrent]

nowhere close to 25% of people review games

Its closer to 1 in 40 who review so around 2%

that would give you 8 mil owners

[crude prism]

70 days without meaningful update
live service

pick one

[craggy yew]

Hate posting detected invalidated

[prime wing]

what are we talking about

[jovial torrent]

Void clearly wants it to be a live service game yet cant commit to actually improving the game

[soft narwhal]

Ron has made 8 million sales ?

Holy

[hardy plinth]

:)

[jovial torrent]

no estimates are 4 mil

but usually around 2.5% of owners review games on steam

160k reviews on ron

[soft narwhal]

We're never going to know an accurate number of owners.

[hardy plinth]

I know it's not a low-cost game to develop but they already upped the price to €50

[jovial torrent]

thats why i reckon 4 million estimate is accurate

[hardy plinth]

that's close to a full-priced game

[craggy yew]

How is it live service?

[jovial torrent]

roadmap

planned updates

[crude prism]

For the amount of time you can get out of RoN, in base game content + mods, + the stuff that is 'supposedly' coming in the future, imo worth at least 50

[jovial torrent]

if this game wasnt a live service game they would say thanks for paying and just patch the game when needed

[hardy plinth]

I guess that's not a very good metric as for example very broken games will naturally get more reviews as people complain

[soft narwhal]

Does that mean Halo 3 was a live service ?

[shy tulip]

I think that's called supporting a game, live service is more pushing out battlepasses, monetized items in-game, etc

[jovial torrent]

there are so many games on steam that averages make sense to use

[shy tulip]

Why is that instantly the game I jumped to as well

[crude prism]

It's obviously subjective, but people are satisfied paying 70$ to run through a story game once, maybe twice for a total of 20-30 hours, but then somehow see a problem with a replayable indie game charging 50$ for itself

[hardy plinth]

I'm not saying it's not worth it, I just feel the need for live service shouldn't be so high, and for this price you'd expect a more polished product

[craggy yew]

Fellas is wanting your game to be a great smooth experience after launch bad?

[jovial torrent]

call of duty pushes out updates many times over a year, funded by battle passes.

void is gonna push out updates multiple times over a year, funded by dlc's

sound like live service to me.

[crude prism]

RoN is NOT live service at all. They have made exactly 0 actions that would make you think so at all

[prime wing]

I dont understand what we are talking about at this point

[crude prism]

You're delusional if you're calling bi-yearly DLC what makes a game "live service"

[soft narwhal]

Does DLC = live service basically

[hardy plinth]

I know it's not live service, I'm saying they shouldn't have to do live service to bring out more regular updates

[jovial torrent]

yes dlc = live service

[craggy yew]

If it was live service we would of had a limited edition beta battlepass

[crude prism]

i want to say the r word

[prime wing]

The dlc is probably not that big or essential to the game

a piece of gear is gonna make the game better

doubt

[hardy plinth]

ready or not?

[jovial torrent]

doesnt matter it was planned before launch that shit is anti consumer as fuck

[soft narwhal]

Damn, all the games I played growing up were live services 😭 we've been on this brain rot for years...

[muted star]

Making a dlc?

[prime wing]

so literally every game ever?

[soft narwhal]

Halo 3.. gears of war..

[shy tulip]

I do love how Void gets shit for "not keeping promises" and shit for "keeping promises"

I can already see the war when PVP gets added

[jovial torrent]

Yes game publishers are anti consumer welcome to the real world

[prime wing]

Im sorry but almost all DLC are planned

[near schooner]

if RoN gets paid DLC's the whole entire game is gonna die

[prime wing]

so?

lmao

[crude prism]

So... every single game that had post launch updates or content is being post-hoc tagged as 'live service' holy shit lmao

[near schooner]

like, this is the worst decision you can ever do

[frail quartz]

If the DLC isn't above 5-10$ it'll probably be fine

[craggy yew]

Can’t believe Bethesda is milking fallout new Vegas to this day 😭

[crude prism]

based on the roadmap announcement, it seems like the only thing that is actually going to cost money is the extra player outfits, not maps or weapons

[near schooner]

Succ.

[jovial torrent]

I know you guys are deep in stockholm syndrome but usually good games are finished at launch unlike how RON ended up..

[near schooner]

damn

thank god

[muted star]

Dunno about maps but I hope you're right

[craggy yew]

Cyberpunk 2077

[jovial torrent]

i read it as maps and gamemodes being paid

[craggy yew]

Fallout new vegas too

[crude prism]

"All of these DLCs are planned to come with free new weapons for the base game, one DLC-exclusive player outfit, and new maps."

free new weapons
DLC exclusive player outfit
'new maps' is left a bit vague, but it's not DLC-exclusive maps

[jovial torrent]

it is 2024 and wanting games to be finished on time and good at launch is controversial

[frail quartz]

Thats kind of just Bethesda as a whole

[umbral oar]

like fortnite skins ⁉️

[hardy plinth]

I kinda wish the maps we have could be used more creatively by adding new scenarios

So we can get more gameplay for lower development cost

[jovial torrent]

Domestic terrorism Or Not

[soft narwhal]

It is an unfortunate time we live in that almost every game now is launching bad states.

[shy tulip]

This is probably a bit of a hot take, but I don't think the modes getting removed was that big of a change. Maps got merged into larger variations (which I like). But that is coming from me who never played outside of raid and barricaded.

The other modes were just too short and not really fun with what core RoN is

[jovial torrent]

the core of RON is fucking ass man who cares about gamemodes at this point all suspects and civilians all act the same all the time it is fully predictable.

there is no dynamic left to this game its just do the same thing all the time

[stone bay]

You should leave the discord if you are just gonna keep hating the game without any positive input or ideas to make the game better

[craggy yew]

A single door on a lethal obsession disproves that

[stone bay]

Talk about something else

[jovial torrent]

How can I not hate on this game its fucking ass and has been since they refused to update early access.

[crude prism]

lmao

[shy tulip]

The maps are the dynamic, after all the AI were built around the maps rather than building the maps around the AI. I think that's how they phrased it at least.

On certain maps if you kill their leader they'll start killing themselves. On certain maps they take hostages. On certain maps they'll flee. Etc

[jovial torrent]

ah yes traps all being a wire that you cut by peekign the door sooo dynamic and unpredictable

[stone bay]

I forget there’s children around 🤦‍♀️

[muted star]

Imo game is nice. Lacks polish but is nice + Modding is cool

[hardy plinth]

Also, @crude prism I was going through the docs spreadsheet today with my friend and we were wondering what "MMMM approved" meant

I guess I know now

[jovial torrent]

Anyone remember the shotgun trap they showed off but never got around to implementing? wonder what development hell that one is stuck in?

[craggy yew]

Exactly it could be any door in the map and you wouldn’t know which ones are trapped by rushing

[stone bay]

You been here since 2021

The game hasn’t gotten better?

[jovial torrent]

literally just peek door and flashlight it is muscle memory at this point bro

[craggy yew]

Why did it become muscle memory

[jovial torrent]

the game is shit because its predictable when swat operations is anything BUT predictable

[stone bay]

Hahaha 2021 purchase and wants refund

[jovial torrent]

because the traps have been their shtick through whole early access

[muted star]

Man when you play the game that long ofc it's gonna get predictable

[stone bay]

I wanna refund for halo 4 too

[shy tulip]

We don't talk about key sites

[soft narwhal]

No need to antagonize. If you don't like his opinions, you can have a civilized discussion about your differentiating opinions or leave him be to his devices.

[craggy yew]

Only dicks use key websites

[shy tulip]

It was worth it to cry over Cortana, not much else

[stone bay]

You wouldn’t download a car (cool 90s music)

[jovial torrent]

are you seriously removing my message just because it contained the word "key sites"? I didnt mention anything specific.. they exist everyone knows that..

[craggy yew]

Yep

You said you used one too

[jovial torrent]

What are you afraid the developers will be angry at you because someone mentioned the "scary word"

[frail quartz]

I don't even know what those sites are or what they do

[stone bay]

Oh if he used one then he’s definitely got no chair at the table

[craggy yew]

No because I have morales

[jovial torrent]

miles morales up in here

[crude prism]

do I need to make the "created by MMMM(O_O)" on the front page bigger?

[hardy plinth]

I was just linked a specific page in the doc

so I never saw the front page

[soft narwhal]

That game felt like dlc tbh

I didn't like it

[dreamy garden]

pvp or not mod kinda sucks because of how fast it is

[near schooner]

kratos how do i contact moderators

[jovial torrent]

never played it I like to buy games when they are fully patched

[crude prism]

oh fr? my understanding was google spreadsheet always opened to the intro page, shiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[soft narwhal]

@hollow falcon

[near schooner]

thanks pookie

[dreamy garden]

I wonder how they'll pull off official pvp modes

[craggy yew]

Technically games are never fully patched

[crude prism]

separate download/game probably lol

[jovial torrent]

Thats why the latest game i bought was pong

[dreamy garden]

yeah but the gameplay as a whole

[hardy plinth]

@crude prism

I got this link

[jovial torrent]

wonder if they fixed the mcx being 300 blackout this "hot"fix

[fleet wigeon]

wtf is with this 6gb update.. what's so changed that it's worth 6gb? it seems like the hotfixes are not that big ;s

[soft narwhal]

If you want a fully patched game, you'll probably have to wait several years. Every game receives patches after launch. Including games like spiderman and god of war

[soft narwhal]

It is a performance optimization hotfix as they outlined in several newsletters.

[jovial torrent]

unreal engine being shit causes game downloads to be big

[soft narwhal]

Hopefully it increases performance for people after this update

[fleet wigeon]

oh okay .. i hope it runs better on my pc.. after the 1.0 update it all went south ..performance wise

[crude prism]

so it does, I swear I tested this before, ah it's all good either way

[hardy plinth]

I'm more annoyed about how it needs to update 55gb of files

[jovial torrent]

I wonder if void will learn one day to be competent enough to add shader compilation or if thats too hard for them

[stone bay]

will this game stop stuttering now

[jovial torrent]

no because void hasnt added shader compilation

[crude prism]

5v5 equal force TDM mode and nothing else

[fleet wigeon]

is shader the problem?

[stone bay]

then im not installing until gameplay is completely smooth

[stone bay]

Also bad RAM causes performances issues.

[jovial torrent]

unreal engine loads on the fly by default and the incompetent developers of course arent doing anything about it so yes

[fleet wigeon]

true 😄 but hey.. let it update it ain't a problem around 20 min total time 😄

[soft narwhal]

You're not downloading 55gb just 6gb.

Then it goes through and edits or replaces files already within the game and verifying them.

[jovial torrent]

most people have shit ram

[hardy plinth]

Yeah but it's updating 55gb, downloading 6

[stone bay]

I noticed I had to change my sticks after trynna play fortnight

i have 16gb DDR4 so nah its not the reason of it stuttering

[shy tulip]

You download 6gb, the game patches 55gb

[jovial torrent]

no its editing files in 55gb's worth of packages

[stone bay]

I got 32gbs

[shy tulip]

Based on the patchnotes they basically redid all the assets in the game LOD wise so it's gonna touch a lot

[soft narwhal]

Yeah so the patching process now depends on the speed of your drive and if steam is being nice

[fleet wigeon]

as long as it makes the game better.. let it touch whatever it wants 😄

[stone bay]

well i uninstalled the game as soon as i've seen the 6gb pending i was like fuck it

Idk I run this game 1440p 90fps on epic with AA on medium and shadows medium

[jovial torrent]

wonder if suspects are still going to be invisible while shooting at me at long range

[stone bay]

i run 1080p maxed out

[prime wing]

most graphical settings dont help much, just fyi. Incosistent at best

[stone bay]

I know

[dreamy garden]

wallbang galore

[stone bay]

That’s why only textures is epic

Vfx low

[dreamy garden]

istg whenever you try to wallbang a suspect (wooden doors or drywall) it does jack shit, but if I magdump my friend through 2-3 walls it domes him

[jovial torrent]

Void "all guns penetrate the same but just cut suspects damage through walls in half" interactive

[stone bay]

i play all on epic, framarate goes from 100+ to 30 rq

[fleet wigeon]

so you mean to tell me whether i play on high or low the outcome will be the same?

[soft narwhal]

1440p 120fps+ on ultra here

Game is pretty at 1440p

[stone bay]

2080ti i9 32gb

Pretty good on 1440p

[jovial torrent]

4320p 240fps+ on ultra here

[soft narwhal]

Nice. I bet that 2080ti has been a workhorse

[stone bay]

lol my computer is like 7 years old

I play anything

It’s cool 😎

i have an RTX 2060

[soft narwhal]

Hoping my 4070 lasts me as long

[dreamy garden]

ron uses 30% cpu and 100% gpu for me on a rx6600 and r5 7600

lowest settings

[soft narwhal]

I still need to sell my rtx 3060

[fleet wigeon]

im using 2070 super.. not a bad card itself

[stone bay]

My brother runs Amd and the last update made the game run finally

[stone bay]

its just the game not being optimized

[soft narwhal]

I have an amd processor, so I get best of both worlds

[jovial torrent]

thats good

[dreamy garden]

it struggles to maintain 110 fps

[jovial torrent]

amd processors are bunghole tho 💀

[stone bay]

4090ti OC with a 355hz monitor 64 gb of ram

[fleet wigeon]

i've been running pretty much everything on high video settings and it doesn't struggle a bit.. above 180-190 fps at it's worst...

[dreamy garden]

32gb of 5600mhz ram

[kindred temple]

why are we sharing pc stats

[round frigate]

so how's the game after the update?

[stone bay]

😂

We comparing sizes…. Of GPUs

[fleet wigeon]

everyone's bragging what they got 😄 2070 super seems like saying i rock a solid Q&Q watch 😄 😄 😄

[jovial torrent]

im arresting suspects in this game at literally 2 khz monitor with a nvidia developer 5080 and a i11 cpu bruh

also @tulip bane fix the black levels in this game they are so fucking ass on an oled

[soft narwhal]

If you wanna put your PC through the test. Play alan wake 2

[stone bay]

last of us part 2 maybe

[jovial torrent]

alan wake 2's ray tracing is so bad man i cant believe how much they fucked it after doing it right in control

[soft narwhal]

That game graphically hands down is probably the best in 2023

[soft narwhal]

Are you sure you put the proper settings?

[jovial torrent]

go look at digital foundry

[soft narwhal]

Cause it's way better than control

[jovial torrent]

ray tracing is on while normal reflections and lighting is also on

[soft narwhal]

Yeah I've seen his alan wake 2 videos

[jovial torrent]

control was true ray tracing

[soft narwhal]

Yeah software ray tracing.

[jovial torrent]

best ray tracing game is still metro enhanced

[round frigate]

wasnt the pc port supper bad? idk how well did they fixed it
oh wait part 2 isnt even on pc

[stone bay]

Ray tracing is a dead technology

[soft narwhal]

His videos also show that alan wake 2 is by far one of the best graphical games so far.

Using new technologies which is why older gpus won't work in alan wake 2 properly. They just don't support the new stuff remedy is using now.

[crude prism]

did alan wake remember to write a good story with all that graphical detail? because I've heard it was kinda all over the place and messy

[jovial torrent]

again metro enhanced is the future anything less in 2024 is embarassing

[stone bay]

Yeah it’s true. Software instead of hardware is the future

[jovial torrent]

also reminds me void promised ray tracing in ron.. hmm..

[summer copper]

wtf how what graphics card do you have

[stone bay]

2080 ti

[soft narwhal]

Its definitely not clean and you need to do a NG+ to get the "true" ending as it changes the ending and there's new story beats

[jovial torrent]

ron is not demanding its just fucking broken in places

[stone bay]

Different computers run it differently

[crude prism]

1.0 optimisation was just borked, like I can power through basically every other game fine

[jovial torrent]

i think cpu is the deciding factor in this game.

[crude prism]

and pre 1.0 was fine, but post 1.0 my 3070ti won't even be able to push 30 frames most of the time

[stone bay]

1.0 did a lot more damage than just preformance but yeah

[crude prism]

game just died for no reason

[jovial torrent]

intel has the fastest gaming cpus and the newest ones run ron without skipping a beat

[summer copper]

fair enough lol i have a 4060 and usually have a smooth 90-100 but in valley of the dolls sometimes it goes below 60

[soft narwhal]

I think I got a lucky build of the game or something

Even back when Jedi survivor released.

I played it perfectly fine on my 3060 at stable 90fps+ at medium/high on launch day.

[jovial torrent]

3060 and 3080 is nvidia gpus perfected

[soft narwhal]

I wonder what causes the randomness in what decides if the game wants to work or not.

[crude prism]

me playing crazy looking games like Dead Space Remastered flawlessly on max graphics at like 100+ fps but RoN CHUGS

[soft narwhal]

I know part of it is definitely optimization

[jovial torrent]

whats ur cpu and ram

[round frigate]

i had 40fps on 3060, ryzen 5 5600x, 32gb ram

[soft narwhal]

Yeah I think I'm just getting good builds of the game or something

[crude prism]

i7-8700K CPU @ base 3.7GHz (clocked at 4.3GHz)

31.9 GB of Ram 2400 MHz

3070 Ti founders card, 8 GB

[jovial torrent]

i7-8700K CPU @ 3.7GHz (clocked at 4.3GHz)

theres your FPS issue

[summer copper]

no idea but i think thats a lottery i was quite well off with

[jovial torrent]

8700k is not good anymore man i switched from it last spring

[crude prism]

we're saying that 4.3 isn't good now lmao? I play games way more visually intensive than RoN and they run fine XD

[jovial torrent]

like i said 8700k is not adequate anymore

[summer copper]

my ryzen 5 3600X hasnt struggled much at all

[soft narwhal]

I think the 8700k has like 2 more years of life in it

[jovial torrent]

sure if you dont demand much of your pc

[summer copper]

3 years going strong

only just swapped my 2060 to a 4060

[wide kestrel]

I wait the 5000 serie to swap my RTX 2060 Super

[sand fulcrum]

Will new maps come in the future?

[summer copper]

5000 series probably wont be around for a while

[wide kestrel]

2025

i'd like to create map and mission

[summer copper]

oh man im still stuck in 2023

[soft narwhal]

Aren't new series of gpus just releasing yearly now

Feels like it

[summer copper]

does feel like it but the 30 series and 40 series were just strangely close i think

you can tell they rushed the 40 series kinda because all of the early 4090s were melting

40 minutes of patching for a barely 10 minute update 👍

wait is the game on my HDD

[wide kestrel]

just a shitty refresh (SUPER)

[summer copper]

yes

[wide kestrel]

with ridiculous memory bus

[summer copper]

should i move it to my SSD... i dunno, big fuckin game

[prime wing]

I mean

you should

Theres been plenty of issues with people installing their games on HDDs

[shy tulip]

SSDs are the future

Until we revert back to physical disks

Forever chasing the tail

[wide kestrel]

A found an usage for that stupid M2 ports on ATX motherboard

[prime wing]

once every game is in a subscription

[verbal ember]

yo

[wide kestrel]

I'd like a SSD with the size of a 3.5 hard disk, but with a lot lot lot more of capacity

[verbal ember]

whats the new update?

[prime wing]

its a hotfix

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/921554129149644810

[verbal ember]

a ~5gb hotfix

^ thanks

[wide kestrel]

ahaha

[soft narwhal]

I have 2 2tb SSDs from Samsung that are 2.5" lol

[verbal ember]

If you want cheap high speed M.2 check WesternDigital

but not before I email them and get myself an affiliate link

[soft narwhal]

[wide kestrel]

i changed my M2 port into 5 sata ports

with an adapter

[summer copper]

i just put an m.2 ssd in mine like a normal person

can we get a mag fed shotgun next content update that would be cool

[bitter mason]

I think I might have encountered a pretty bad pathing error on ends of the earth, a suspect dropped his gun on the landing and one of the swat ai I think was trying to grab it, but ran up into the attic to do so, which yknow, tends to have suspects in it.

[gilded tiger]

i got a question why when i install the game ready or not it just makes my system laggy

[stone bay]

I would also add an SSD improves performance

And definitely you need one for these unreal games

[remote meadow]

Is there any speed bonus for ranking? Should I be moving swiftly and efficiently? Is there a timer at all?

[native rune]

No

Except when there is a literal timer like on bomb missions

[bitter mason]

nop, time only matters on like two maps cause bombs and also suspects will start to shoot civvies
but every other map suspects wont execute civs unless taking them as a human shield

[remote meadow]

lovely

What are some ways to lose points that I might not know about? I know that if civvies die its bad etc, but is there any hidden points?

[shy tulip]

The more you take alive, the better the score, the more evidence you collect, the better

[native rune]

Some missions have undeclared soft objectives

[remote meadow]

aight, that alive count will be my main loss lol

[crude prism]

It's as simple as: everyone has to live, you have to collect all evidence + soft objectives

[native rune]

If the round ends on its own, without you having to press page-up, that means you’ve got everything

[dreamy garden]

they cant be incapacitated either

full alive, no unauthorized use of force, on their knees/arrested

[bitter mason]

Only way of "losing" points is if a civvie dies or you break ROE (Shooting a civilian or unaware/non-hostile suspect)
You will miss out on extra points if you kill or incap suspects however. For an S rank you need to arrest everyone and have no one die including your officers aswell as collect all evidence and report every arrest to toc

[remote meadow]

Thanks

[dreamy garden]

you can have your buddies in in multiplayer and still get S but that wont count towards steam achievements