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[median dove]

Why Ready Or Not doesn't use Steam workshop?

[pastel wind]

WHY IS RON DOING DLC

THEY ARE GOING DOWN A BAD PATH FOR GODS SAKE

WHY DONT THE PLAYERBASE EVER SPEAK UP???

[crude prism]

dlc has literally been the plan publicly for years my guy

[pastel wind]

Also will they be adding new weapons for people who didn’t buy the dlc?

[humble mauve]

DLC has been planned since the dawn of ron

[pastel wind]

I wanted new weapons to be added but I neva thought I had to pay for em

[pastel wind]

Well I hope they don’t rely too much on it

[crude prism]

did you read the newsletter or just come in here to complain about dlc (it literally says the weapons are free)

[foggy zinc]

get ready for disappointment ig cuz business man requires a business plan

they can't just rely on game sales for revenue

[humble mauve]

oh yeah it does lmao

"All of these DLCs are planned to come with free new weapons for the base game, one DLC-exclusive player outfit, and new maps."

[oak copper]

When pvp tho?

[humble mauve]

assuming either for 1.2 or later on down the road

just a guess

[crude prism]

PvP is Summer 2024 #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[fading grotto]

I can NOT find this Maria Lopez lady anywhere it's driving me insane

Where does she spawn?

[amber dock]

Mainly in the primary postal offices. The ones where customers go to.

So like the building right in front of spawn and the building to the right of spawn

[fading grotto]

Yeah I usually find her in there but the ONE time I'm about to get an S she is nowhere to be found

The search and rescue option doesn't even work the guys just sit there

[amber dock]

Did you check the bathrooms of the second postal office?

Or the alleyway?

[fading grotto]

I have checked literally everywhere

I've never had this issue finding her

[amber dock]

Me neither, she’s almost always around the postal offices

[crystal sierra]

What's the all side objectives for Car dealership? I Found cash in garage + dead body in upstairs office

[amber dock]

Last one is a bulletin board

Ik it’s in an office near the car with a nature display

[junior depot]

I bought the game recently and find it absurdly easy...

Like, I made mistakes and still got an S rank on Ides of March

Is there a plan to hotfix the AI so it's more challenging?

[static wigeon]

They actually just made them easier recently

Also I’m new as well to the game

[junior depot]

I don't know what they were like before but I'm worried that I'll get bored of the game very soon if it stays at this pace. Like, why don't they kill me when they shoot me? I only have light armour on

[static wigeon]

Personally I download mods to make it more fun

[junior depot]

I will try that - any recommendations?

[static wigeon]

There’s mods out there to make npc much harder

Well, I play a different type of game. Idk about mods for the main game since I have zombie or not which is very hard in itself

especially on maps like Volls House and Port Hotkan and the Club map

[junior depot]

zombie or not made by the same devs?

[static wigeon]

No but it sure does make the game pretty challenging

it’s on nexus mods

[crude prism]

last patch made the AI easier but also broke damage calculation from suspects, you're only receiving half damage to your body armor (while wearing ceramic)

[junior depot]

That checks out - I get shot and rarely even have to stop the bleeding, which just ruins the immersion imo

[static wigeon]

The zombies wiping my team is tbh very good immersion. I wish in the future someone will port Halo floods to the game

[frail quartz]

Shouldn't they have noticed this through playtesting?

[crystal sierra]

I can understand everything, but bots pulling out empty pistols is something what i can't comperhand overall, doing S run, running 2 beanbags + 2 VCS papper ball guns, and they are pulling out empty pistols on suspects wtf

[static wigeon]

Wow

[neat hazel]

whats the best officer team? like pacifer, kicker, etc

[shrewd oriole]

What playtesting?

[stoic willow]

can i complete Ides of March without capturing the 3 suspects or does the mission fail if i dont

[frail quartz]

Never heard of it, what's that word mean

[stone bay]

how can I tell my bots to not shoot suspects in the head with non lethal? hahahaha

[shrewd oriole]

Pet me hear this out, they've decided it's a smart idea to put 2 dlcs in one year

Is this void or paradox

With the current situation the game is in I doubt anyone would buy the DLC

[amber dock]

Where’d you hear they put 2 dlcs in one month?

[shrewd oriole]

One year I'm stupid

I'd like to get some play testers before DLC, that'd be cool

[stoic willow]

ides of march is actually impossible

[crude prism]

If I figured it out with CE then they can figure out it out with a built in dev overlay lmao

[stoic willow]

how do i manage to take down 3 heavily armed men without killing them???

even with gas it doesnt work

i only ever get 1 and the others rambo

[crude prism]

They literally showed low resolution pictures of their overlay in previous devlogs, they have access to that info in real time

[frail quartz]

Is there literally any explanation for this other than that they ran the game, saw it didn't crash, and shipped out the update?

[shrewd oriole]

I have the exact reason they didn't find out: they didn't check

[crude prism]

It seems to be a biproduct of the new "suspects deal reduced damage through objects" system, so I assume they concluded that the new system was worth whatever the current bugs were

That's my most faithful conclusion

[frail quartz]

Could they not just, patch said bugs before they put it out?

[crude prism]

When people are complaining nonstop about wallbanging, you put out a fix for wallbanging

[shy tulip]

Too real

[frail quartz]

Yeah but I doubt it would be a very hard fix

[crude prism]

the "bug" just makes players stronger at the moment

[crude prism]

I don't know. I can't say anything definitively about the calculations they're doing. Only the results

[frail quartz]

Shipping an update you know still has bugs in it seems even more inexcusable than if they didn't know there were bugs at all

[crude prism]

Nobody would ever know

[frail quartz]

I mean... we did.

[crude prism]

The only reason I know is because of a dude messaging me with CE and saying that shit is broke

So I had to check it myself

[frail quartz]

And that still doesn't answer my question of how the fix would be so complicated that it'd need its own separate patch to include

[shy tulip]

Nothing in game dev is simple despite what players may think

[frail quartz]

Yeah but I doubt it'd take a full day to fix something as small as that

[shy tulip]

At the end of the day things are prioritized, and players having better pen than the AI is not a priority when the fix was for the AI being stronger than players

[crude prism]

Imo the change to suspect bullets properly being reduced through objects (like players have been since 1.0 btw) is worth this little hiccup

[frail quartz]

Yeah I'm not saying its gamebreaking or anything, I just don't understand why it'd take more than an hour or maybe two to fix

You just have to exclude player bodyarmor from the parameter that decreases suspect damage through materials

[crude prism]

🤷 tell me why trait status has been flipped for at least the last few patches

Because that's almost DEFINITELY a single boolean flip

[frail quartz]

They've been what?

[crude prism]

Locked = trait is active
Unlocked = trait is turned off

[frail quartz]

Dear lord

[crude prism]

[solemn cairn]

Does ballistic mask also act as anti flash goggles

Also do anti flash goggles hide muzzle flashes from guns

[frail quartz]

That makes me wonder, are the anti-flash goggles a fictional device like the mirror-gun and lockpick-gun is?

[foggy zinc]

Don't think so

[foggy zinc]

a quick google search for the goggles shows some evidence ig; there are goggles that protect you from the flash of nuclear blasts, so ig that's the base of the concept for them

lockpick guns are actually real

[frail quartz]

I feel like protecting your eyesight is the least of your concerns during a nuclear blast

[frail quartz]

Oh fuck, it is

[foggy zinc]

[junior depot]

What is the best team setup? Currently running Nutritionist, Intimidator, Breacher, Veteran but I want Paramedic & Intimidator I think - Any suggestions?

[muted star]

My man is on misinformation grindset lol

[shrewd oriole]

Make sure they are all locked, it's reversed rn

[uncut nacelle]

@vale tangle guess who's back

[analog flare]

i hope base game players atleast get a free map

with each update and not locked behind a 15$ paywall for say only 1 or 2 maps

[true panther]

Multiple modes per map like pre-1.0 would be nice for replayability

[vale tangle]

🔥

[uncut nacelle]

im happy asf rn, guess wuh

[vale tangle]

wuh

[uncut nacelle]

800 views in 1 day, meanwhile i thought its gonna be 20 or some

[vale tangle]

nice thats pretty good

[uncut nacelle]

im rising i think

when u gonna be free my guy

[vale tangle]

probably tomorrow, I have some work needs finishing up

mb said I'd be good today but shit came up

[uncut nacelle]

alr np, got 1 week off rn, no job, chil days

[vale tangle]

ay same

[uncut nacelle]

Noice

[neon forge]

gang how does my dumbass connect to us servers oce sucks no one there speaks english

[balmy sentinel]

Shouldve bought supporter edition

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog flare]

Was too expensive for what it provided. Plus it only covers dlc1 afaik

[solemn cairn]

I mean a nuke is just as hot as the sun and it’s also just as bright

[stone bay]

Maybe they should fix what they have instead of charging people more money for an unfinished product.

[inland wolf]

anyone know the level of armor that the Secret Service wear on Sins?

i shoot them with JHP and it takes like 5 shots to get through

[foggy zinc]

I think they wear L4 armour there which is basically the highest tier, so AP rounds is recommended to not need to spray em down everytime lel

[balmy sentinel]

literally 3 hotfixes in a month and a fourth coming out soon

[balmy sentinel]

Just click on heads. EZ

[foggy zinc]

blow off heads with shotguns

[upbeat wadi]

got to the amos voll mission, how thoroughly should i prepare my angus on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is the ghillie suit guy mission and 10 is the senator assassination attempt?

[stone bay]

What?

[stone bay]

12

[upbeat wadi]

also why the fuck did my guys suddenly start to take massive hits to morale every mission about three missions ago? even if i don't lose any officers and arrest a decent amount of suspects (~30% on average I'd say), everyone is anxious if not crisis at the end

[junior depot]

What's the mission after Ides of March? It was a server building & it was kind tough to breach - lots of catwalks and cross-angles

[stone bay]

Sinuous Trail

[upbeat wadi]

and up until that point a few missions back nobody went below content unless i lost like 2 officers at least

[ivory kiln]

is d platoon like an elite team of swat guys?

[upbeat wadi]

sinuous trail, for me it wasn't exactly easy but a cakewalk compares to ides

[junior depot]

Any tips for that mission? I'm rocking beanbag shotgun & my AI all have pepperball ARs

[wheat pelican]

stingers

[upbeat wadi]

wedges and flashbangs, also stay the hell away from the big open space in the middle for as long as you can

[junior depot]

Ides was oddly fine for me - mirrior everything - lockdown the halls and Simo-breach the connected rooms

[wheat pelican]

flashbangs for open rooms, stingers for rooms that you need all corners hit (or potential of there being cover) that way the rubber balls hit everywhere. smoke for open areas.

[upbeat wadi]

clear the top floor first, enter through the rooftop door on the left side of the building (from where you spawn)

[stone bay]

This

[junior depot]

Which door? The first one or the one around the corner that leads to a catwalk?

[upbeat wadi]

it was the fuckin room in the middle for me every time, impossible to clear properly before you've cleared everything else so even with wedges and shit we'd get flanked and wallbanged constantly

[wheat pelican]

smokes and stingers

[upbeat wadi]

there's fire escape type steps that lead to the roof, take em, clear the little veranda on the top floor, wedge one door and go in through the other

also if this is your first playthrough honestly I say don't bother with the non lethal stuff, it's just not nearly as fun

40% of the appeal of this game is playing with all the different guns and attachments and all that tacticool shit, and non lethal runs limit you to literally two guns one of which doesn't work if the bad guys have masks on

which i think they do in this mission actually, don't quote me on that though

I'm doing a lethal run first and eating the B and A ranks, I'll do humanist S ranked runs when I've beaten the game

plus it'd be kinda out of character roleplay wise for most missions, i really don't see a tactical team getting briefed about a shootout with officers down and going "gotcha, bringing my pepperball gun"

[stone bay]

And yet you wonder why the squad are getting stressed and anxious? I mean, your chosen playstyle causes this, right?

[junior depot]

Cheers - Great reply

[upbeat wadi]

i realize it's cause of the dead suspects, i'm saying it didn't use to happen like this

[ivory kiln]

you can always play on practice mode

[upbeat wadi]

e.g. 213 was basically a massacre, nobody went below content anyway

[ivory kiln]

you don't have to worry about stress and losing officers

[tacit gull]

Gas masks do nothing currently

[stone bay]

They stop gas.

I just installed a mod that mutes TOC’s reponses when violating the ROE

[tough spire]

Don't spread misinformation. There are 5 LTL choices. 2 of them are just objectively garbage.

[stone bay]

Well, that's what you're saying now, yeah.

[tacit gull]

The playstyle of "clearing rooms and trying to take suspects alive if they're willing or you can get the drop on them" usually ends with most suspects dead unless you're willing to go suicidal and use the taser

[stone bay]

And...?

[tacit gull]

And it leads to the stress mechanic being a counterintuitive addition that effectively punishes you for playing the logical way

[upbeat wadi]

legit? wow, that's pretty damn stupid

[stone bay]

Gas masks stop gas currently.

[tacit gull]

Try it out, lethal obsession apprentice, pepperball launcher

[upbeat wadi]

the smg, the shotgun, tazer and what else? pepper spray is the fourth one i'm assuming, what's the last one?

[stone bay]

It seems different people have differenet experiences.

[tacit gull]

Has no resistance to it whatsoever

[tough spire]

There's two different pepperball guns, one beanbag shotgun, taser, pepperspray. Six if you count bashing. 9 if you count grenade takedowns.

[tacit gull]

Not really, if i wouldn't have gone out of my way to try to take suspects alive on my first playthrough ALL of my officers would have quit by the 3rd mission

[upbeat wadi]

it's not just playing the logical way that gets punished, it's also really weird from the common sense point of view. i mean, don't tactical teams basically assume any op is gonna end with most or all suspects dead, especially if it's a hostage situation?

[stone bay]

This is not disproving anything. As you demonstrate, it is possible to play and keep that in mind.

Anyway

[upbeat wadi]

and in cases where the briefing says beat cops responded to the situation and were wounded/killed, arguably it should penalize you for NOT killing the suspects lmao

[tacit gull]

Maybe when it comes to terrorism, but a gas station? a meth raid? A house with 3 people in it? If everyone comes out of those dead it's a fucking tragedy

[fleet burrow]

So, im curious. Is the dates / seasons for the roadmap based on south or north hemisphere

[crude prism]

The dudes on gas already killed 2 people, it's not just a robbery

But I get the point

[tough spire]

That's so not how that works my dude. 😂

[stone bay]

Sheesh...just get a mod and play it your way.

[tacit gull]

No mod that properly rebalances ROE and stress without outright removing them

[tacit gull]

Also, just because i can put my life on the line so my officers dont quit doesn't make it a good experience, i don't see your point

[upbeat wadi]

i mean it's american law enforcement, you get shot for much less than shooting at cops there. i'd assume that unless you immediately surrender and make it very clear that you're not even gonna entertain the thought of resisting, either you die or god has a special plan for yu

[upbeat wadi]

in practice it kind of is, that's why cop fatalities are so rare in real life. it's borderline official policy that if you shoot at a cop, only heavy media attention could save you

[stone bay]

That's the game, which is my point. "a good experience" is subjective.

[tacit gull]

Not really, a lot of raids end with no use of force, let alone deaths, unless we're talking super trained terrorists most people are probably willing to give up or are not dumb enough to shoot at the cops

[tough spire]

Cops playing judge jury and executioner are why people want to defund the police.

It's not best practices.

[crude prism]

Saying "it's subjective" when the game negatively reinforces you for following proper ROE is kinda nuts lmao

[stone bay]

It also doesn’t make any sense from a realism standpoint. LAPD, for example, only recruits officers for SWAT who have experienced an OIS.

[stone bay]

I made the claim that "a good experience" is a subjective statement. lol

[crude prism]

Okay, but we can agree that it's bad game design to negatively reinforce players for following ROE, yes?

[stone bay]

If it were the case, then sure.

[foggy zinc]

my english isn't englishing rn so i'll just blindly agree

[brittle sable]

what are we talking about rn?

[crude prism]

"if it were the case"

The game makes it very clear that you are following ROE, by NOT giving you ROE related penalties.

But then your team freaks out for JUSTIFIED self defense on the officers' part

[upbeat wadi]

yeah i didnt mean the raids where nobody resists. if they do though, they're definitely fucked, even if it's just regular patrol cops instead of a sawat team

[tough spire]

Same thing that always goes down in this chat: histrionic responses to minor issues.

[stone bay]

Thus we are given thearpy and team roster options.

[brittle sable]

yayyyy
ROE discussions can be fun though

[stone bay]

Look, is it a tightrope at times? Yes. Is it unfair? Some might say.

[upbeat wadi]

sure, but the reality of it is, it still happens and it happens often enough to consider it the default (rather than the tazer type approach)

[tough spire]

It still happens does not mean "we should promote it by turning the other way with our scoring system"

[crude prism]

"the problem with the game loop isn't a problem because they give us tools to circumvent it"

yeah dude I can just go run gas station twice to de-stress my dudes as well, doesn't make it good design lmao

[tacit gull]

It's poor, unfinished design is what it is, i'm sure the stress system was originally inteded to be deeper, but due to lack of direction this shit came out

[upbeat wadi]

also a good point, plus if special police units like that over here are anything to go by, you're basically screened for being ok with killing people and seeing your buddies die before anything else when you apply to those

[tough spire]

Grinding gas station to fix stress is one of the absolute dumbest things in the game right now.

[crude prism]

also grinding gas station to unlock perks lmao

[tough spire]

RoN is early access and no amount of "1.x" will change my mind about that.

[uncut nacelle]

yappers yappin about the same topic

[upbeat wadi]

thankfully i havent yet had to do that

[crude prism]

I like talking about the things I like, it's true

[tacit gull]

If this is intended they it shows how little the people who added it in care, if this was not intended it shows complete lack of foresight on the people who came up with the idea

[stone bay]

Many storms in many teacups. I need to touch some grass. Enjoy yourselves.

[tough spire]

How dare people keep talking about ongoing issues in my discord server about the game with said issues.

[crude prism]

Inb4 they change it so that the stress gain/loss on gas station is always neutral, so that players switch to replaying some other map instead

[uncut nacelle]

Nah u can't touch grass. Touch snow

[tacit gull]

Another bandaid fix as always

[uncut nacelle]

eh

[tough spire]

Okay hear me out: Beach episode filler for morale fix mod.

[night pasture]

Bro that’s not what they said

[crude prism]

are you smoking crack or just hallucinate in your free time?

[silk junco]

he tryna be me

[frail quartz]

Couldn't you just make it so that morale boosts for completeing a mission depletes the more you replay it so you're encouraged to play other maps before going back to it

[tacit gull]

Not the case, but it isn't presented in the best way

[uncut nacelle]

get yo brains together man

[night pasture]

I had this shit first!!!!!!!!!!

[tacit gull]

Am i the only one who expected nothing from the roadmap yet still got dissapointed?

[crude prism]

Sounds like another bandaid. Replaying maps at all to lower stress is dumb

[silk junco]

fight me then idiot

[tough spire]

"DLCs will also be accompanied by bugfixes for the base game." - actual words

[tacit gull]

It basically says absolutely nothing, the "dates" aren t even set in stone, and it mentions absolutely 0 plans

[tough spire]

BASE GAME.

[uncut nacelle]

my eyes fkin duplicating why do i see two vivien

[night pasture]

She took my pfp

[silk junco]

he took my pfp

[tacit gull]

"We made sure to account for any development issues when making the roadmap" As in we're not gonna say anything we're working on because we might stop working on it like ???

[uncut nacelle]

Bro what

[night pasture]

My wife is lying

[uncut nacelle]

im going insane rn

[silk junco]

go do the dishes MAN.

[normal patrol]

never preorder anything

never pay for an unfinished game

[stone bay]

Solid life advice

[uncut nacelle]

pre ordered ron when "choose game mode" existed n im happy

[normal patrol]

🙏

[tough spire]

"Never support indie developers, only buy from AAA studios who release full games"

[tacit gull]

Hopefully last game i make this mistake on, maybe not

[uncut nacelle]

Oh u said :she: huh?

[normal patrol]

AAA games come out busted too. Never preorder and wait for the reviews gameplay footage

[uncut nacelle]

Hi she, wanna be mine? (with gen z rizz chad face)

[tough spire]

I refuse to only support major companies. That's such a shitty practice.

Is RoN a frustrating follow? Yes. Have I still had a ton of fun with it over its developments? Also yes.

[silk junco]

nah vivzen is pretty bearable

[normal patrol]

If you cant find a way to make a full game without first being sponsored idk what to tell you, too many people can claim they will give you the moon and then just quit

[tacit gull]

Maybe support developers that release quality products instead of caring if they're a major company or not?

[uncut nacelle]

ye im out

[tough spire]

[crude prism]

I have no regrets supporting RoN before there was even a game lul

[normal patrol]

no brainer

[crude prism]

Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't

It's the same as early-supporting any project

[tough spire]

Imagine if Vampire Survivors never had any EA support.

[tacit gull]

Rockstar games for example, despite the fact their online makes me want to do things i cannot say here, are still top of their class in gamedev

[tough spire]

That game exploded and was a buggy mess in the beginning.

[normal patrol]

What was that game that just came out a zombie survivor like Trkov and they released it, took everyones money and ran

The Day Before or something

[tacit gull]

The Day Before was always a scam, people get excited for the dumbest stuff

[modern birch]

guys why would the pistol silencer do this insane bend whenever the mag is empty? 🤨 🤨 https://i.postimg.cc/8z9WrWtK/ron.jpg

[tough spire]

Because the barrel is floating.

[normal patrol]

realism 😳

[night pasture]

Wha…..

[tough spire]

https://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/pxl_20220328_150102742-jpg.1050791/

[modern birch]

why would the barrel be floating when the mag is empty? 🤔

[silk junco]

discordians when woman

[normal patrol]

💯 Rockstar!

[tough spire]

That's what the barrel does. See image. https://www.glocktalk.com/attachments/pxl_20220328_150102742-jpg.1050791/

[modern birch]

wtf

[tacit gull]

TDB released as an asset flip made within a month, the problem is that RON was an actual game that was being developed and looked promising, now it came out like this

rip

[normal patrol]

@tacit gull im sure there are plenty of sore spots in a RoN room about whether or not early investment was a good idea so lets just talk about preorders in general imo maybe?

[upbeat wadi]

and a cutscene where one of your guys delivers a rambling monologue about how the neighborhoods where you get sent on raids have awful p word infrastructure

edited to please the puritan mod bot

[modern birch]

how did you find this image?

[tacit gull]

"glocktalk.com"

[tough spire]

I literally just googled "Glock 17 with slide locked"

[modern birch]

ok

[upbeat wadi]

maybe your gun is just into empty mags

yknow in that way

[tough spire]

Tbf I don't know why it does it. I just know it does. The one I fired at a range did it, too.

[tough spire]

[modern birch]

what?

[modern birch]

I just found out why: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/why-does-the-XKLFAF.DQO.W_gcaurm.5A?s=c#5ca2c500-5f83-40ef-96fe-071abab9bee4

[upbeat wadi]

wait so it's intended and actually shows good research? well I'll be

[modern birch]

Research by VOID you mean?

[tough spire]

Oh that actually makes perfect sense.

[tacit gull]

Don't worry, mostly based on animations and research done before the team basically completely changed

[upbeat wadi]

yeah
I mean as someone who doesn't know a lot of deep gun lore (reason: regrattably not american), my gut feeling is that the gun stuff in this game is probably done well above average, but this is honestly above and beyond

[tough spire]

"regrettably"

[frail quartz]

I was just about to say this

[tough spire]

This country is absolutely F'd. Be grateful.

ANYWAY

The gun mechanics in this are pretty good. Not amazing. But good.

[upbeat wadi]

well it's basically that or you don't get to buy a literal battle rifle at the same place you shop for groceries

[tacit gull]

To the point where everybody else is taking notes

[upbeat wadi]

as a ukrainian, agree to disagree

[tough spire]

Yeah y'all got your own thing going on over there.

[upbeat wadi]

putting it mildly

[tough spire]

But there's much better places to be than here.

[upbeat wadi]

yeah like 7 of them

[terse merlin]

"We are lucky they are so fucking stupid" will never not summarise the situation

[fading rivet]

hello

[upbeat wadi]

there's a surefire way to spot a first worlder: they'll have better lives than easily 85% of the planet and genuinely believe their countries are literal hell on earth because denmark or switzerland is even better

[uncut nacelle]

hi sweetheart

[fading rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-clint-eastwood-man-with-no-name-howdy-hello-gif-11628498

[uncut nacelle]

W fail, pathetic

[fading rivet]

😦

[tough spire]

Mods always flexin' with their embed powers.

[terse merlin]

Its a sticker

[uncut nacelle]

mods are just different breed of humanity

[tough spire]

Not one from this server. lol

[uncut nacelle]

burger enjoyers

[upbeat wadi]

also how do i find out if i got the supporter edition? is it something you had to back the kickstarter for or what?

[shy tulip]

If you have to ask, you probably don't have it, because you would have had to buy it

[terse merlin]

It was a dlc when Ron was in early access

[uncut nacelle]

Dlc??

that was like a normal game but more expensive

[upbeat wadi]

well i dont really remember buying this game at all to be honest with you, so it's reasonable to assume i could have bought that supporter dlc too and forgotten

i have access to the supporter alpha in steam properties, does that mean anything?

[terse merlin]

Open up the game and see if you have any FISA cosmetics

Or the b1301 entryman

[shy tulip]

No, the test branch is available to all, but it would not unlock for you unless you had SE. It is also not being updated anymore

[upbeat wadi]

which category would they be in?

[shy tulip]

Open the game and in the properties section look for DLC, if you have a DLC tab, you have it

If there isn't a DLC tab, you don't

[uncut nacelle]

i have a question

[shy tulip]

I may have an answer

[uncut nacelle]

Can u gimme mod for 10 seconds so i could free my guy

💅💅

[upbeat wadi]

i dont then
thanks, that clears it up

[shy tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/asura-wrath-asuras-wyzen-final-boss-gif-26738122

[uncut nacelle]

l answer

May u answer with Words please

[shy tulip]

The answer is No

[uncut nacelle]

Typical

[tough spire]

Wtf did you expect was gonna happen.

[junior depot]

What does everyone run for squad perks?

[uncut nacelle]

to be the owner

[tough spire]

I literally am the lead developer for this game and even I don't own the server.

[uncut nacelle]

cap

[silk junco]

in my blanky

[tough spire]

Says "John C ReadyOrNot" on my driver's license.

[uncut nacelle]

cap

[tough spire]

If you beat the game on Ironman you can see my Discord picture in the credits.

[uncut nacelle]

cap

[tough spire]

If you sit around 23MB/Sec long enough Michael will go "so did you know George, on the Discord?"

[uncut nacelle]

[frail quartz]

You're associated with a cheese pizza eater? EXECUTION.

[tough spire]

Naw he specifically goes on to talk about how scared he is of me. 💪

[vestal mauve]

If you beat 23MBPS in under 5 mins with an S rank, Eli will turn to you and say "so I guess we're some kind of Ready or Not?"

[uncut nacelle]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art w or l pics?

my gfx skill is low asf

[junior depot]

What missions does everyone use NVGs on besides Twisted Nerve?

[upbeat wadi]

if you beat it solo and only use a tazer, TOC says "yeah be thankful for hotfix 3, you'd never pull that shit off before it dropped"

[stark hollow]

well arthur, it seems this truly was a red dead redemption 2

[upbeat wadi]

more or less verbatim the conversation with the nun at the train station

[terse merlin]

Car dealership, part hokan (though it's an impressive map without) and nightclub if you're not in the main dancefloor

Some parts of Hospital too

[stark hollow]

dont remind me of that

not tryna deep it on a friday night

poor arthur

[remote flame]

AI should NOT be switchting to side arm during a Non-Lethal mission, even after I took their mags away they do it

[upbeat wadi]

eh to be really fair, he brought it all on himself

i mean he rode to beat a terminally sick man who clearly didnt have two quarters to rub together half to death over like fifty dollars without a peep, and then actually came back and shook his widow and son for it later with zero scruples too. and then he doesn't really do anything about dutch's blatant psychopathy even after guarma when it was beyond obvious

[stark hollow]

i would imagine a fix for this is in the works

[upbeat wadi]

let's not pretend he was anything resembling a good person until the last 20% of the game

[stark hollow]

oh yeah for sure

i still feel bad for him tho

i spent a lot of time picking flowers with him for the 100% lol

anwyays wrong channel for this

[frail quartz]

While we're on the topic, we should add the lasso from RDR as an alternative to restraining

[junior depot]

Do you have tac shields equipped?

[frail quartz]

And also being able to bitchslap the guns out of people's hands

[slate bramble]

ong. 90% of the non-lethal missions i do, fail because of my swat ai getting a headshot on the suspect

[tough spire]

Remove all mags, they can't kill anymore with LTL weapons

[neon forge]

just shove a beanbag shit gun as their primary

they cant do nun

[stark hollow]

this is still risky however

they still switch to their secondary even if its empty

hopefully will be adressed

also has anyone else noticed a lack of suspects using cover landmarks?

lots of hostage takings, but havent seen anyone in a closet or under a bed since hotfix 3

[neon forge]

anyone have tips on how to get A+ easily? i wanna get that pair of shorts :>

[neon forge]

especially on valley of the dolls

specifically valley of the dolls

[tough spire]

It's risky for the empty secondary pull, yeah. Comically stupid bot move.

[tough spire]

Solo taser, CS gas and a mirror gun, bring an mp7 with a single mag of JHP to shoot out windows. Piece of cake.

[neon forge]

ok

thank you now i can wear shorts

[tough spire]

You got this 👍

[neon forge]

how do i make myself solo 💀

do i kill my officers

like oops mb gang but i need shorts

is ironman mode the one that makes u solo

[tough spire]

Naw. Just tell em to hold outside.

I'll give em all beanbags and instead of arresting civilians I'll have 'em move to exit and then my guys will keep 'em safe and arrest 'em.

[upbeat wadi]

okay i think ive worked up the nerve to do the amos voll mission

[humble mauve]

you can also start a friends only MP game to have no team members

[upbeat wadi]

any advice before i do? loadout is mp9 with holo and laser + misc guns for team, heavy emphasis on flashbangs and wedges, full steel for all

[tough spire]

But it won't count for your achievements

[tough spire]

Beware windows

There are many, and they are just as much your friend as they are your worst enemy

[upbeat wadi]

thanks, probably great advice (had a few unpleasant surprises with windows at 213)

how many bad guys, ballpark?

[tough spire]

I think 16 but don't quote me on that cos I don't count

More than you want there to be 😂

[upbeat wadi]

well that's less than the goddamn post office mission at least

or 213 actually
i think ides has roughly as many so i hope the layout doesnt hate you as much as the one in that one

unrelated question, is there any way to get rid of the little stutters when a bang or a c2 charge goes off? the other kinds of stuttering are gone for me after hotfix 3 but those are still there

[dapper kestrel]

Assuming DLC 1 is just a single home invasion map, it better not cost more than $5.

Also, some guy made a home invasion map already even though its outdated. So VOID has to make this worth buying.

[frail quartz]

I think they said the DLCs would include mutiple maps at a time

[dapper kestrel]

'Home Invasion' is real specific though

is it gonna be a string of robberies or sum

cant wait to see how VOID forces child pr0n into these home invasion missions

[frail quartz]

Maybe, maybe not

[dapper kestrel]

[upbeat wadi]

i think they'll probably do the "only the host needs to own the dlc map" thing

[stark hollow]

i recall this but dont have a source

[frail quartz]

I still think Streamer is the only one where you could reasonably argue that CP was forced into it

[dapper kestrel]

That would mean they would have to include the world data in all copies of the game, just locked until purchase. Like a mf roblox gamepass or a battlepass

[snow quail]

Sup cowboys! I have a little question about multiplayer and i really hope that you gonna help me. For better experience I installed special AI mode - Swat and Suspect AI Overhaul from mod.ai. Question is - am I gonna be able to be multiplayer host for others players?

[dapper kestrel]

I get they needed a start to that plotline, but yeah it was VERY forced. It should've stayed primarily a swatting.

[stark hollow]

yes just make sure you and everyone has server side checksum disabled in settings

[upbeat wadi]

it's just what makes sense (especially cause let's face it, probably fuckin nobody is gonna buy the dlc until they repackage it as an all-in-one download and sell it for like 15 bucks)

[dapper kestrel]

and from what we know of the 'environmental storytelling', Michael is mostly a recluse that gets mommy's food through a vent. Why are there armed dudes all over his apt

[snow quail]

They sad that this map will be for free. Am I wrong?

[glossy schooner]

has anyone noticed anything weird about the tazer's range?

[dapper kestrel]

free for supporter edition

[frail quartz]

The newsletter says they're supposed to be his "friends" but they act more like hired guns

[dapper kestrel]

Dressed as random street thugs

[frail quartz]

Yup.

And pacing around with guns for no particular reason

[crude prism]

being that it's way too far? yes

[glossy schooner]

yeah exactly that

[upbeat wadi]

i dunno, i can think of a couple internet celebrities who got in trouble over cp and i dont know anything about internet celebrities or their drama

[crude prism]

imo it's better than it getting a vague range limitation, but it's certainly too long lol

[tough spire]

No. Shut your mouth. Don't say a goddamn word about the range so they don't nerf it.

[frail quartz]

MUH REALISM!!!!! 😡 😡

[crude prism]

yeah bro, I totally expect void to specifically nerf the taser while they won't fix actual outstanding issues

I'd fucking die laughing

[tough spire]

Given the taser in previous builds had the most broken hitreg ever it wouldn't surprise me

[snow quail]

Thanks. Can you say what for checksum setting responsible?

[upbeat wadi]

well he also had some shady characters run a mining farm downstairs and was clearly heavily involved with mindjot. it's possible that for example the same Serious Gangsters who did security at the mindjot offices could have forced him into the mining thing (and the shitcoin scam he ran on his viewership), and that's why he eventually snapped and shot his mother

[dapper kestrel]

He owned the farm.

[dapper kestrel]

But he never shot his mother, she's fine and lives one apartment over.

He owns three apts in that building based on the evidence afterward

[upbeat wadi]

w-what
so everything he said on the 911 call was a lie?

[dapper kestrel]

That's kinda the point. It's not him.

It's a swatting call, we just happen to walk into what's basically a Fallujah home for no reason because VOID is weird

[crude prism]

"I shot my mother, nanana boo boo"

[upbeat wadi]

damn that's pretty cool, i never noticed

new theory then: he was being set up by the mindjot thugs, maybe forced at gunpoint to promote the scam coin and all that, so the 911 call was him (a harebrained plan to get rid of the mindjot fellers)

doesn't jibe with him shooting at you when you come in though

[dapper kestrel]

That makes no sense, he's always armed with a shotgun or glock.

[upbeat wadi]

alternate theory: remember the guy at mindjot who figured out they were doing shady shit and wanted to quit and report it to the cops? maybe he saw the streamer was involved in the same logs and swatted him

[dapper kestrel]

it's just a very badly designed narrative that VOID didn't take 3 seconds to think through

[crude prism]

Swatting level where before you even reach the dude that is being swatted you have to gunfight with 5-8 gangsters for SOME reason

[dapper kestrel]

literally.

VOID is just bad at writing, and they should hire good writers.

[crude prism]

Imagine if the level was scripted so you go to his apartment, and then on the way out after arresting him, one of the guys from the other apartments peeks out with like a gun in hand

[upbeat wadi]

i wouldnt go that far, they're certainly good at the hidden lore type thing

[crude prism]

something interesting

or at least something that wasn't just "haha gotcha lmao"

I bet people get super fucking confused if they don't realize it's a swatting + goofy ah mining op, like "why are there 10 fucking gangsters here"

[dapper kestrel]

Yeah, but it's unnecessary and most players miss it because they're focused on being a SWAT officer, not MatPat.

[upbeat wadi]

well if we assume all the armed dudes there besides the streamer are mindjot thugs, then they had a lot to lose from your sudden raid (i mean you literally only find out about their little cp empire from the kid's computer drives)

[dapper kestrel]

briefings are good, but I feel that the briefings should be shorter and on the fly in a cutscene en-route to the location (which they promised cutscenes).

it would be more realistic than having the entire team sat down and given a 2 minute text wall they could've received in 30 seconds from the destination in the truck

[crude prism]

cutscenes are sold as DLC 2

[upbeat wadi]

i dont mind tbh, plus there's always the option to just read the transcript if you can't sit still for two minutes

[neon forge]

hi hi hi do u wanna do it tgt

im trying to get A+ so i can get shorts

[dapper kestrel]

I don't buy it. The mine on the 2nd floor is crypto-only, not a server farm (Despite what the objective says, ig VOID is half-tech illiterate). And the child photos are on Michael's own PC and a few print-outs in his drawer.

Doesnt really make sense for it to be mindjot there

[neon forge]

and like i dont trust myself to solo

and i dont trust the npcs to not pull the glock out and mag dump them

[upbeat wadi]

nah sorry, i wanna beat the campaign in single player first, it's a tactical horror game so i feel like playing it with other people would seriously diminish the horror aspect (it did with swat 4 anyway)

and im not going for a high rating anyway, youd probably get like a B with me

[junior depot]

I just had an AI mirror a door, say nothing about traps, have no option to disarm trap - and then order them to open the door and they all die to a trap. WTF?

[neon forge]

ooo

[snow quail]

You know guys, I really impress and grateful for such great and precise design work for levels in game. Every tag can be read, so many presice details. And other one cool fact - scenarios. Scoolshotings, swatting, mansion raids - crazy... And last level - blown my mind off, human trafficking...

[upbeat wadi]

yeah but how would the thugs know what you're there for? if you're there for the streamer, see: lots to lose; if you're there for the mining farm, the apartments are owned by the streamer so there's a very good chance the cops are gonna search the main one too, see: lots to lose

[dapper kestrel]

it makes no sense for them to be there in the first place tbf

It has nothing to do with them.

The only way we even know its mindjot because Michael says so on DISCORD.

the crypto is all him, no evidence pointing to anyone else

[upbeat wadi]

hence my theory that he's being manipulated or straight up forced at gunpoint

but yeah, the big gaping hole in it is the fact he's armed and usually resists arrest

[snow quail]

But I still hate hotel level:)

[dapper kestrel]

Hence nothing tbh. There's zero reason for Mindjot to be there, nothing to protect there and no way they know abt his one discord convo

[upbeat wadi]

nah the mining devices themselves are mindjot (I think what they mean is mining rigs with special gpus) and the kid's drives have encrypted info that leads first to the """""talent agency"""""" and from there to mindjot proper

[dapper kestrel]

no it doesn't.

The description of The Spider says we got there from the mindjot data center and we find an email regarding Brixley at Mindjot map.

VOID just screwed up the order of missions and hasnt fixed it.

and the mining devices are not mindjot's, we know they're Michael's and michael's alone by narrative

[upbeat wadi]

zero reason for them to be at the """"""talent agency"""""" too, what would they need 12 ex marines with fully automatic weapons and ballistic vests for exactly?

is it on the off chance one of the 10 year old girls turns out to be the girl from logan?

[dapper kestrel]

The security at Brixley's Talent Time is the same security company hired by Amos Voll. Who all these kids ultimately go to. Mindjot has their own security and Brixley's ass isn't really their responsibility

Mindjot security also didn't really seem to be aware of what was going on regarding CP at all. Mindjot as a company dealt with hundreds of genres of data. And they only resist the LSPD because they've been robbed once before by 'cops'.

One voice line even says they aren't falling for that again. And they even tell US to drop our weapons.

[upbeat wadi]

exactly, so if those dudes' main purpose is protecting amos' assets, why couldnt they be there at the streamer's apartment?

[dapper kestrel]

Because Michael isn't connected to Amos.

At all.

He's not connected to Brixley either. He's just another customer.

A customer that led the LSPD detectives to the bigger fish, which was Mindjot, Brixley and Voll.

[upbeat wadi]

being a customer is what we call a connection though 🤔

[dapper kestrel]

Mindjot likely had dozens if not hundreds of CP customers.

[snow quail]

Streamer just a random guy. Evidences we found at his place let the detectives made an investigation agains Mindjot

[upbeat wadi]

okay im gonna go double check this, am i allowed to send images or will i have to imgur em?

[dapper kestrel]

and Mindjot merely kept CP data for Brixley, Voll, and Michael.

They didnt make it or contribute to it other than safekeeping the data because the company was going under and they continued moneymaking via shady practices.

[dapper kestrel]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art but thats literally in the game mission menu and in the manager's office we find an email implicating Brixley.

There are entire lore videos explaining that storyline.

Voll also has drives and packages meant to be shipped to Budapest. Which is also the capital of human trafficking and ties back into the overall Spider villains. The ones we stop at Port Hokan, who have a spider as a symbol.

[neon forge]

they shd add a mode where the entire level is in darkness and u need nvgs such as maybe the cops shutting the power off

wld be pretty cool tbh

[dapper kestrel]

VOID has considered this before and had quite the blunder on a live interview about it.

[neon forge]

o

why the blunder

[dapper kestrel]

They claimed (falsely) that it wasn't possible due to the limitations of UE4, then seconds later admit modders had already successfully done it.

[neon forge]

lol

[upbeat wadi]

what the

how could changing the lighting in a level be impossible lmao

unless it's literally a 2005 game like fear that fakes most of its lighting by basically painting it by hand

[frail quartz]

iirc they said it had something to do with how the baked lighting system worked

[humble mauve]

the main maps in ron use practically all baked lighting for performance

[dapper kestrel]

hence why its a blunder

[dapper kestrel]

me when other games dont do this and still have good performance.

Even so, they admitted it was possible by modders.

[neon forge]

how does one find the correct vc for their respective multiplayer lobbies

like im in an OCE sevrer rn and i have 0 idea if they r in a vc in this server

[tough spire]

This is a bad take.
The point of prebaked lighting is performance improvements. Modders can change it, but then more people would be bitching about optimization and performance.

[upbeat wadi]

is it 2005 level baked? i assumed it just meant the light sources weren't dynamic, you still have shadows that react to them and they'll go out if you shoot the bulb etc

[humble mauve]

yes there are some lights in levels that are dynamic (i;e real time shadows, can be destroyed, etc)

but a majority is baked

[dapper kestrel]

@tough spire .

[tough spire]

Irrelevent?

This isn't the same game.

[dapper kestrel]

Not irrelevant? VOID could just not rely on baked lighting

[tough spire]

My dear sweet summer child I can run Quake 2 RTX on my GTX1080 not-raytracing card because the design is hyper simple. It doesn't mean it's a good idea or correct.

[dapper kestrel]

Majority of the latest performance problems were also via replay and they just added options regarding shadows and light in the settings.

If they changed the game's lighting system, truly how bad could performance really get?

[tough spire]

Dynamic lighting is very taxing.

[dapper kestrel]

who said anything about Raytracing?

Also speaking like the GTX 1080 isn't a beast of a card still

[tough spire]

I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about.

"This other game did it" is a pointless argument.

[upbeat wadi]

specifically UE games too

there's this AA walking simulator called >observer. and it has uncannily pretty lighting, and it ran really well even on my ancient pc at the time (literally radeon 7950)

[tough spire]

Was it dynamic lighting?

Or was it prebaked scenes

(Trick question I know the game you're talking about - it's prebaked)

[dapper kestrel]

Yeah it is, that wasnt really a good example

Doesn't Battlefield 5 have dynamic lighting?

[tough spire]

Doubt it

[dapper kestrel]

lemme check

[tough spire]

Most things don't outside of like flashlights which RoN is already doing.

And if they do, it looks terrible, see: Space Engineers

[dapper kestrel]

idontwannatalkaboutspaceengineers

[tough spire]

The entire point of raytracing was to make lighting more organic and realistic easier and it took an entire dedicated chip to do it.

[upbeat wadi]

ray tracing is basically a gimmick at this point in my opinion though, the only game I've seen so far where it's ACTUALLY noticeable was control and it was abso fuckin lately not worth the performance hit anyway

[dapper kestrel]

I do agree with it being a gimmick imo

[upbeat wadi]

it's a technology that has potential, put it this way

[dapper kestrel]

a gimmick that adds like 3 billion zillion dollars to gpus

[tough spire]

Okay? Only if all graphic leaps are a gimmick.

[upbeat wadi]

like physx in like 2007

[static wigeon]

mindjot wut

[tough spire]

Lighting in video games is a gimmick, in general, then.

[dapper kestrel]

me when I trace your rays

[static wigeon]

as long as it looks good idc

[upbeat wadi]

and it hasn't changed much apparently

[tough spire]

Except it really has.

[dapper kestrel]

thats a bad take lol

Lighting in games has drastically changed.

[upbeat wadi]

I suspect it's mostly baked in rdr 2 too, even

[dapper kestrel]

I hate to give it any praise but MW3 vs MW3 (2011) has more advanced lighting, even if the campaign sucks now

[upbeat wadi]

at least in places like saint denis where the difference between night and day is very clear

and whaddayknow saint denis is also the one location where my fps dips below 50 consistently

[tough spire]

I'm guessing you're relatively young, so like, don't take this the wrong way, but... back when we were doing like Unreal/UT99 engine games and mods having a game like Infiltration having a somewhat realistic flashlight and breakable streelights be a performance hit puts everything going on now in perspective.

[dapper kestrel]

laugh at the millennial, for he is now one of the old.

[upbeat wadi]

yeah i haven't played the new ones but in the remakes of the original mw games the lighting is borderline phenomenal. but I'm gonna guess also all baked

[tough spire]

Raytracing isn't a "gimmick," it's an important step towards even better things further down the road and is still pretty damn impressive if you actually know about graphics rendering.

[uneven kraken]

Raytracing is a big leap! Metro Exodus & Control are both really nicely implemented,
I'd say Metro is better optimized though... I think it's just new tech that has to be reigned in, but it has use!

There's some really nice info on the topic, raytracing can be done so much easier to implement compared to other lighting techniques, and it looks nearly just as good as baked in lighting naturally—if it wasn't such an expensive technology on a GPU, it probably would have been more widely implemented,
Also yes cool reflections!! :D

[upbeat wadi]

no i remember that, and also how games didn't really have that as a rule for a long time afterwards anyway

and in fact they still don't more often than they do, breakable lights are usually something you see in stealth games or real expensive AAA stuff like gta 5 (which only had that cause the devs allocated 17 million dollars to black magic)

[tough spire]

Raytracing and the hardware made for it is already paving the path for better things like Path tracing etc. so

[upbeat wadi]

like i said, tech with potential

early physx games were a shitshow on anything but high end rigs of the time, and by now destructibility is common enough nobody even mentions how you can shoot specific chunks off doors in ready or not

but it took a LONG time to get there. i don't expect ray tracing to be 1. worth it and 2. affordable for the people who don't have $2000 rigs sooner than like 5 years from now at least

alan wake 2 actually makes extensive use of it and currently 67 people on the planet can run it

[rich bobcat]

i forgor

Whats they key you can use on that dual scope to change to the secondary view of it

[bright valley]

O or P, one of those

[rich bobcat]

i found it

its H-

[upbeat wadi]

cyberpunk has rtx and you can see what it does if you know exactly what things it affects and pay close attention to them, and you need a $700 gpu to enjoy it with dlss on

[prime wing]

I always have ray tracing off

[upbeat wadi]

speaking of, god i hate dlss and taa

both good things in a vacuum but now that they exist developers treat them as a get out of optimization free card

i feel like we're in an awkward period right on the verge of a big leap in technology where it's kinda sorta there already but there's very serious tradeoffs. kinda like when the original xbox dropped and suddenly every game had levels the size of a broom closet

[neon forge]

omg the ppl on hide and seek are russian i js heard one of them scream suka

[upbeat wadi]

or when sandboxes became common and the games with them had 6 npc models and silent hill 2 tier view distance minus the fog

[neon forge]

i just shotgunned him in the neck and hes choking to death

[upbeat wadi]

so no wonder ps1 aesthetics are in vogue now

[stone bay]

Shotguns are based, good work

[neon forge]

does any1 know where ready or not servers are located in the oce region

like i cant find any servers with acceptable ping (i live in singapore)

[true panther]

There's also the issue of how textures just need to match rising screen resolutions but you can't compress textures. IIRC the high-res textures for cod cold war were like 50 gb more or so. I feel like that's also why we're seeing a small resurgence of cartoony, less-realisticly artstyled games so you don't need to bloat the game with massive 8k textures

[vague minnow]

Can anyone provide some clarification? I am nearly done with the game on Ironman mode. I want the achievement and watch that's awarded for losing 0 officers. I had one officer resign from the force due to an unauthorized use of force penalty... Does the resignation count as losing an officer?

[vestal mauve]

yes

sorry bud

[vague minnow]

😦

[upbeat wadi]

achievements were a mistake

in general i mean

yo dawg i heard u like video games so i decided to put gamification in your games

[vague minnow]

At least I'll get the regular iron man achieve :\

So many hours trying not to lose an officer... never again

[pliant sage]

Another manifestation of perverse incentive sadly. In RON's case it's quite weird for a game that is on the same engine as PUBG (where 80 fps is like the lowest it can go down on my rig, at high-ultra 1080p).

[upbeat wadi]

probably not a very fair comparison because pubg has a way bigger team if nothing else

and looks way less complicated graphically at a glance (post effects, geometry etc)

[pliant sage]

Yeah I know. Dev team size also plays a part. I did use PUBG as an example it's a big world, though its geometry and etc are standard.

[upbeat wadi]

i wouldnt be surprised if the entire map in pubg had less geometry than 213 tbh

but mostly it's about the dev team size yeah, ive heard that optimization is the biggest advantage big studios have over small ones

any asshole can make a game that looks amazing given enough time, but it takes a whole different level of skill to make it run well too (and massively higher numbers of those skilled devs to get there in under 10 years)

i believe it, generally if a game both looks great and runs great it's a massive AAA title by the likes of rockstar or cdpr

and even they fuck it up big time now and then, e.g. gta 4 or cyberpunk at launch

[vague minnow]

Honestly, it's impressive that this dev team has even managed to achieve AA quality with such a small team. Although the overall development time of RON was very long to facilitate the current quality.

Give this game another couple years, and it will be close to AAA quality.

[upbeat wadi]

how long has it been in development again?

ive only been aware of it for about 3 years i think

[vague minnow]

Reveal trailer was over 6 years ago, and it was in dev before that.

[upbeat wadi]

damn

[vague minnow]

I don't know the exact amount of time, but it's very very very very very very long.

[upbeat wadi]

well on the other hand i just remembered that age of decadence was in development for literally like 12 years and it STILL ran like absolute garbage while looking quite literally like a game out of 2007

so you're right, it's impressive enough ready or not looks and runs the way it does

[upbeat wadi]

(to be clear, it's still a really good game and i recommend it to people any chance i get)

[vague minnow]

Age of Decadence was great!

Went to that game from Underrail though, so I was mildly dissapointed.

Underrail I recommend highly to anyone that likes old-school CRPG experiences.

[upbeat wadi]

they're very different games though, age of decadence is something like visual novel meets old school tactics games

underrail is more like what if fallout 1 had a real combat system and dungeon crawling took up about 500 times as much of the game

[vague minnow]

I like this take

[upbeat wadi]

i like both a lot but i think i was more blown away by age of decadence, it's just so much deeper story- and lore wise

[vague minnow]

I agree story-wise. Underrail's story is complex in an emotionally absent way. Age of Decadence's story is much livelier and meaningful.

[upbeat wadi]

plus ive never seen a gameplay loop quite like that, or a game with enough balls to spend 53 years developing and perfecting its combat system and still letting like half the classes completely skip it

and actually warn the player like three times that combat-oriented classes are much more difficult and they shouldn't pick them for their first playthrough

the devs have made a new game since then, colony ship i think

i havent tried it yet but i think it's finally out of early access and people say it's as good or even better

[vague minnow]

Colony ship yeah, I'm planning on playing that in a couple months!

Not nearly as long of a dev time as AOD

[upbeat wadi]

probably cause aod was something of a success for its budget

which i suppose means it would have been if it made $1 but still

[analog flare]

that also covers the base game :>

[amber hearth]

airport mission when

[analog flare]

dlc 3

[amber hearth]

wtf

huh

[analog flare]

lol

[amber hearth]

okay

very sus

iwo jima mission when

[analog flare]

dlc 1940s

[amber hearth]

mission idea : stop a group of heavily armed tiktoker got in a nuclear silo

[analog flare]

modded map time

[normal patrol]

A bunch of crazy cult people are keeping a girl, they claim is possessed, as a hostage and worshiping her. Go in and put a stop to it.

[amber hearth]

stop the demon?

[upbeat wadi]

oh BULLSHIT

first crash ive ever had and it was right as i was hunting what was probably the last damn enemy on valley of the dolls

[vague minnow]

He killed himself with a ricochet likely

It's the worst way to lose an S rank.

It's like 1 in 50 attempts on any given S rank for me. Extremely rare

[upbeat wadi]

heard you come in and somehow took enough of a morale hit maybe

[vague minnow]

Random suspects don't shoot themselves, def a ricochet.

You will sometimes hear a suspect spraying their AR.... and then you will hear a "Ahhhhhhhh", and they will be dead in the room

[upbeat wadi]

i think they do, literally just saw a video on youtube where exactly that happened (the uploader's S rank run got ruined by the last suspect shooting himself with a fuckin ak 47, that's dedication)

[vague minnow]

Oh... I was almost sure it only happens with a couple of the "Named" suspects in the game.

[upbeat wadi]

lmao that's some home alone shit right there

hospital

[vague minnow]

Brixley does it, Voll can do it, but thats it?

I thought anyway

If a suspects off's themself, I'm almost positive it's a ricochet. Very bad luck

[amber hearth]

First aid kit when

[upbeat wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkLnNY_fnY

sorry neon, not hospital

[molten finch]

What are the soft OBJ for Ends of the earth

Im at soft complete and i dont know what im missing

[tacit gull]

Check the rooms, there's a huge bag of cash in one of them, with the huge computer screen

[molten finch]

My MF man

Thank you o7

[upbeat wadi]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3113593191

lifesaving guide

[brittle sable]

the whole soft objective thing is weird to me
no swat team is bagging money up mid raid

[upbeat wadi]

yeah and the crime scene squad will find all that stuff anyway when the crime scene gets handed over to em

[thorny warren]

i decided to play with noswat, no armor, no helmet and only taser rounds, i thought it was gonna be hard but i did the first map easily with an S and i didn't get hit at all

but at the same time, their weapons are really inaccurate

[molten finch]

If i choose a smaller plate carrier does that mean when i get hit in my mid section that it has a higher chance to red my hips/waist section?

i want to use a different plate carrier but i do worry that the coverage is lacking or is it just a visual thing and if i select full coverage light armor the visuals of the armor doesnt change it

[thorny warren]

i just wear heavy armor constantly, 11 slots is enough

[molten finch]

i have gunfighter, slots are of no concern, but my question is the visuals

[desert warren]

I doubt it matters given cosmetic and actual armour is separate

[molten finch]

That was what i was wondering, ty

[clear stream]

Do you guys clear the map methodically or just clear whatever the closest door leads you

The carten tunnel is so confusing for me

[thorny warren]

i think it only affects coverage and not the amount of protection unlike the description says

[upbeat wadi]

-- emily blunt at the end of the hit film sicario

[neon forge]

fuck relapse i searched the entire map and cant find the stupid terrorist boss

[thorny warren]

that one was pretty easy for me, compared to some others i mean

i think he's literally the only patient alive in the hospital

[upbeat wadi]

you know what this game desperately needs? your team members NOT saying there's a suspect if he's dead or cuffed, and YES saying there's a wedge in the door and that's why they won't breach (not just out of a rebellious streak)

wasted so many damn bangs on the former

[thorny warren]

i never actually tested the lethal shotguns, i wonder how good they are

[upbeat wadi]

not very to be honest, especially against armor

[clear stream]

Semi auto shotguns is bae

More on for satisfaction

[upbeat wadi]

if you can trust yourself not to panic and waste your whole mag in 2.3 seconds

[clear stream]

Never be trigger happy

Even if most ppl say to use full auto on sub machine guns, semi is the wei

[upbeat wadi]

my problem with shotguns is that buck is useless against armor or at distances greater than 10 meters, and slugs are basically just semi auto rifle shots so why gimp yourself

and if you do hit a bad guy with a slug, he's 99% sure to die, so there goes your squad's mental state

[clear stream]

Shotguns are not practical, its really more on satisfaction or style. It was never good at anything

If ron developers dont want us to use much much lethal force, then dont make the enemies act like an organized terrorists from middle east.

They need to be more prone to surrendering and stuff

Last time ive seen a swat using pepperball was a suspect thats shittin on a toilet

[thorny warren]

i wish i could sprint sometimes, like when im looking for that last civilian

[molten finch]

i wish the search and secure command worked so i woldnt have to conga line 4 useless animals

[clear stream]

It would be better if in the end of the game, there would be an indicator that shows where the civilian is near. Or make them shout and shout

[molten finch]

I also really wish i could get a photo of my 4 guys standing outside of a swat van to show off their outfits, i made em look so cool and i cant get a decent photo

[clear stream]

Im too lazy to customize their loadout

[thorny warren]

what the hell? a suspect dropped a weapon and it went through a wall

[clear stream]

Ron moments

[craggy badger]

wai are they adding dlcs?

[molten finch]

I love when i say "search and secure" and they say "ok, 10=4, got it, copy" and the stand behind me being fucking useless, LOVe that

what am i missing on greased palms? i got the suspected shooter with the jersey already, im almost positive every suspect got zipped up all obj is clear, OTC is good, wtf

Yet i cant get it to autocomplete

where can the crate of illegal guns be

[brittle sable]

Do you not have it? Its in the truck outside loading dock 1

Not directly outside, just a bit out in the yard

[molten finch]

my hero

[brittle sable]

The weapon crate is wood, crowbar next to it iirc (could be wrong)

[molten finch]

You were spot on

I missed it and had to google the soft objs

[clear stream]

RON PLS LET US CHANGE MAGNIFICATION IN LPVOS

[urban walrus]

Ok, Foxtrot is playing with fire right now with that latest video

[wheat zealot]

is it possible to exflitrate in the college map?

[molten finch]

With no mercy on elephant why didn’t I S it? It picks up all evidence or doesn’t count it against me, all obj are done, no soft obj to be had, I should’ve s’d it

[bleak tangle]

https://www.twitch.tv/xbradd1 Live Now having some fun come stop by

[tacit gull]

It's under NDA?

Okay wait i just saw it holy shit

[stone bay]

Do you normally shoot at suspects

[tacit gull]

Yeah i guess i do, more in the base game

[stone bay]

What if they dropped their weapons?

[tacit gull]

Sometimes if they throw it too suddenly it does look like they're aiming so i accidentally shoot them, but i dont shoot them if they're surrendering

[stone bay]

What was posted 👀

[tacit gull]

[sturdy gazelle]

Does the search and secure command indicate the map is all cleared with all hostile and hostage dead or surrendered?

[foggy zinc]

I believe it's when all main objectives are either complete or semi-complete (i.e. haven't found all civs but suspects are secured). Also AI will only search rooms you've cleared when using Search and Secure

[sturdy gazelle]

Idk I was struggling to find the final suspect in the vine map, I believe I cleared everything and all hostages r rescued, all but the “bring order” objectives done, tho I suspect a bugged suspect that keeps its hand raised while being dead

[stone bay]

You know what sucks? Having to go through the whole map again and again just to find that one suspect

[kindred temple]

Door wedges

[molten finch]

I did Rust belt with a magnum why did i not get the achiev

[tacit gull]

In singleplayer or multiplayer?

[kindred temple]

you need to remove every equipment

[molten finch]

basically sprinted aroudn the tunnles big iron playing

[molten finch]

oh

[kindred temple]

only magnum and ammo for it

[molten finch]

yall should do rust belt magnum only big iron playing

[kindred temple]

nothing else

[molten finch]

i had a blast

Ill have to run it again

[kindred temple]

you can still use your ai

also dont use mirror gun or any gear

just the magnum

[molten finch]

thats why

the achiev desc is kinda weord then, it says as weapon, but i will, just for the sake of it ill go no armor too lmao

[kindred temple]

it says "only"

[molten finch]

Only 357 as a weapin

I didnt use another weapon

[sick sluice]

has the ai been fixed since the 1.0 update

[kindred temple]

yes

[sick sluice]

exactly how fixed is it though
im still seeing videos of them tracking people perfectly through walls

[keen flicker]

Just look for the objective pop up with points “bring order to chaos” that’s usually an indicator that there are no more suspects remaining. Then if you see “soft” complete that usually means you’re missing something whether it’s evidence or a hidden objective

[kindred temple]

they are less accurate

[sick sluice]

and the reaction times?

[kindred temple]

still the same

[sick sluice]

oh ffs

[kindred temple]

they also less prone to fake surrendering

[kindred temple]

its still fine

their accuracy is close to 0

[tacit gull]

No

[sick sluice]

thats nice but you have to shoot basically all of them without warning to not get 360 noscoped in 3 nanoseconds

[tacit gull]

Long anwser is: the AI have not received any fundamental changes

[sick sluice]

magnificent

im gonna waste another half hour on greased palms then

[kindred temple]

use gas grenades

[sick sluice]

honestly the game was better before release

[sick sluice]

last time i did, me and 3 of my officers died to suspects that shot them through the smoke

[kindred temple]

you can see better behind smoke grenades now

[tacit gull]

Atleast you could lie to yourself and say it would get better

[stone bay]

The game is 100% completely fine and bug free and runs flawlessly what are you all talking about

[sick sluice]

with this management?
im delusional but thats beyond even my abilities

[tacit gull]

Hey man i'm still coming down from the hopium, that roadmap is definetly not helping and neither are you

[sick sluice]

well there is at least mods for most of us
but im playing on geforce now (cloud gaming) so i cant even mod it to be decent

i am equally sad for not being able to install no crack ai as im sad about not being able to install the femboy TOC mod

[tacit gull]

Very limited mods sadly, as the SDK is probably not coming out any time soon and people need to resort to fuckery and in-game menu for blueprints

So no changing the game on a fundamental level

Even then, unless someone goes through the trouble of making an entire suite of changes in one mod i don't think we'll ever have the coherent experience i've been waiting for

[sick sluice]

idk man i would be happy with the no crack ai mod

[kindred temple]

as well as with the femboy toc mod?

[tacit gull]

I haven't tried no crack but it sounds boring, as it only seems to slightly tweak few values compared to more complete mods like figtree's Here I Come pack or gunpowdah

[sick sluice]

that too obviously

[sick sluice]

im pretty happy with the rest of the game since in my mind its still early access so simply making suspects slower is enough for me

lmao "ai is less accurate now"

sniped me on the head across the whole building

what a waste of money

[fiery flame]

The first time I played this game I ran into the gas station and instantly got shot in the side of the head

[kindred temple]

unlucky

[sick sluice]

all the devs have to add is a slider for ai accuracy and reaction times

its literally the simplest thing in game dev

why they dont do it is beyond me

like i could do it in a couple hours with some indian people tutorials

granted the ui would be shit and buggy

[river bluff]

your pfp says it all lol

[sick sluice]

it has gotte be descriptive when its the only thing people will see

[molten finch]

Make a mod then

You want it? Make it

[sick sluice]

thats what i would like to say but this pfp is just a leftover from when i was trying to squeeze some cash from discord mods

[molten finch]

Cringe

[sick sluice]

dont have the time
turkish education is hell

[sick sluice]

it shouldnt work so well then

[molten finch]

Both are true

It shouldn’t work at all and it is cringe

[sick sluice]

at the end though
it works, and war thunder premiums dont pay for themselves

[unreal trail]

does ready or not player shower or its a hoax ?

[foggy zinc]

what's a shower

[vestal mauve]

i shower
in a shower of brass

[stone bay]

Ask Smash players

[compact sequoia]

buckshot shotgun is the funniest less-than-lethal against armored suspects

one shot to the chest and 90% of them will surrender after lmao

friendship ended with beanbag

[plucky condor]

The enemies in Sinuous Trail are fucking awesome I wish security guards were real

[fringe fjord]

i have something to tell you

[plucky condor]

no way,,,

[thorny warren]

i heard somewhere that te guards in sinuous trail are only hostile because they think its not the real police, i swear it says that on the ready or not wiki

idk if its true if anyone has a more clear vision than i do

[muted star]

It's mentioned in the briefing. They even have a voice lines saying stuff like this

[thorny warren]

i also saw the streamer on the second map and the, "whoever it is" on the last map both use mindjot on their computers

[thorny warren]

indeed, thank you, i don't often read those tbh, too long

[vocal night]

do veterans on ides of march ever fake surrender?

i cuffed like 10 of them none of them did

[thorny warren]

i doubt it

since i did so many S runs on easy maps im now trying it out on a medium difficulty map: valley of the dolls

[thorny warren]

from my experience they do not

[stable kernel]

Hotfix 3 has made enemies in general stand back up and draw significantly less in my experience

Before it was close to 50/50

[native trench]

Dev : make a buggy game
Dev main concern : make dlc

[vestal mauve]

Hi reddit

[tacit gull]

They mentioned that they set the timer for it way higher in the patchnotes

[sturdy gazelle]

Lol seems like the hospital map is much larger than other map that my laptop simply couldn’t load it

[balmy sentinel]

Port Hokan is bigger

[tight night]

How can you check if your have supporter edition?

[bright valley]

if you don't know whether you do or not, then you probably don't. the supporter edition DLC was like $80 on top of the price of the game itself.

[tight night]

I played 2019

[mortal aurora]

i shot someone in the face with a 12 gauge when they fake surrendered

scared

[elfin sun]

sigh

[silk junco]

did you buy SE?

[tight night]

idk i cant remember

i know it was like 100 and something when i bought RoN

[silk junco]

well do you have the FISA gear?

[tight night]

or some shit

[tight night]

yeah i do

[silk junco]

then you have SE

[random forge]

for the new roadmap, when it says DLC is it paid DLC or free for everyone? (maps and guns, not cosmetics)

[white goblet]

have people already disected that roadmap image?

[ivory kiln]

what was the gamma one experiment

[white goblet]

dlc exclusive cosmetics and maps, free weapons from what i can tell

the roadmap image definitely seems to hint at what the dlc is about though

[lost kernel]

why is this game still so buggy lmfao. its a memory sponge also

[urban walrus]

The first one is paid, since it's free for supporter edtion

[random forge]

ahhh i see

[shadow ether]

I will laugh my entire ass off if the new weapon will be another flavour of ar15

[lost kernel]

lmfao this game is unplayable wtf

[shadow ether]

Wdym

[foggy zinc]

AR10

[shadow ether]

AR10 sawnoff for close quarters because obviously los suenos swat is not allowed long rifles

Btw did a few runs of Relapse with my mates carrying a G3, trust me a long range gun is very viable on some maps

[frail quartz]

nervously deletes my SCAR-H & HK-417 suggestion

[shy tulip]

GA-417

[shadow ether]

I mean I'll take an HK417 provided it's a full size one and not what they did to the FAL

[frail quartz]

Jokes on you that's literally what I called it! 😡

[foggy zinc]

we have the SR16 broski that thang is big

[frail quartz]

Nah, my suggestion is a CQB one

[foggy zinc]

G3????????????????????????????

[foggy zinc]

we have mods for that but i get what u mean too

[shadow ether]

Yes

[foggy zinc]

is that from sniper or not or am i missing sumn?

[shadow ether]

It is

[shy tulip]

It's the sniper that goes brrt

So many fun memories from the Gmod DarkRP days of buying G3s and mowing down rival gangs

[foggy zinc]

i feel like the only long rifle i'd run would be the SA58

cuz 5.56 on a long rifle doesn't do anything for me and i'd rather have greater firepowah for the barrel length im getting

[frail quartz]

Erm... aktually all calibers have the same ballistics regardless of barrel length in this game ☝️ 🤓

[shadow ether]

I figured if sergeant Lincoln was allowed to take a non standard gun to an HVT response I should be allowed a non standard gun as well

[foggy zinc]

yea i know but for the funsies id want more powah with more barrel length

[shadow ether]

Chief of police can kiss my crotchplate, I'm taking my home G3 to the party

[foggy zinc]

one thing i also know is that i will never run a 417 because of its goofy looks

[frail quartz]

Yeah I have to agree that I'm not a big fan of the stock that you can't switch out

Magazine could use some work too

[foggy zinc]

also for the next few missions im bouta run what main gun should i lock in for funsies

[shadow ether]

Vanilla or SoN?

[foggy zinc]

only have vanilla weapons atm but i could download sniper or not lel

i do also have some extras like the og M4

[shadow ether]

Tbf you should

How meme do you want it?

[foggy zinc]

understood captain

if its effective then that's all i need

[shadow ether]

G3
Or M14

[foggy zinc]

reloading the game captain

wtf are these guns

ancient aaa firearms bro

[shadow ether]

That's the shit D platoon is not allowed but the chief of police can cry about it

[shadow ether]

Yea but M249 tho

[foggy zinc]

ok i get the fun factor BUT it took away my mp7 and now im angy

0/10 mod

[shadow ether]

Its in secondary

You can run a g3 AND an mp7

And mp7 with a shield

[foggy zinc]

ill just go ahead and run the SA58 also the G18 animations are so broken

it literally says the camera

[frail quartz]

They were stowed away in the files for a reason 🤷‍♂️

[shadow ether]

I never tried the g18 lol

[foggy zinc]

if you never reload it or mag check then sure otherwise it's wack af

[shadow ether]

I should take a look lol

[eager beacon]

yo guys what gun has the fastest firerate in the game

[foggy zinc]

SPC9 is my best guess

[frail quartz]

Yeah, 100% SPC

[eager beacon]

alr ty

[sturdy gazelle]

I bet RoN has the longest credit list in any game

[feral pebble]

Got S on first two missions duo co-op today
probably took 20 tries each

but hella statisfying

[amber dock]

Nice

[lost kernel]

i keep crashing due to memory issues

[abstract dagger]

how mutch ram do you have?

[wheat wren]

Dang

[wheat wren]

Sometimes it’s fine just to run through the map with like 10 magazines and shred terrorists with that thing. The SPC9 I mean.

[prime mural]

The most cathartic full auto

[abstract dagger]

Tee hee

[humble prairie]

Yall ever going to do something about the watchmen wake up guy? I am stuck constantly in his server

[abstract dagger]

Whats that?

[amber dock]

Dude preaching in a public lobby

[vestal mauve]

I want a mission where you're containing a riot and another where you're providing security and have to look for threats forming

[hardy plinth]

Is it still recommended to open the game through the exe in the files?

[humble prairie]

Your last name isn't Hend is it? @abstract dagger

[abstract dagger]

No ?

Why?

[dark sleet]

Does anyone know if the new dlc maps will also be free?

[humble prairie]

Jw lol

[abstract dagger]

Not sure

[dark sleet]

Idk if its me being dumb or it doesnt specify

[abstract dagger]

Wait theres gonna be dlc's?

[shy tulip]

The first DLC will only be free for those who purchased SE

[abstract dagger]

Whats SE?

[stone bay]

Hope its priced reasonably bro

[dark sleet]

I understand it will be player uniforms and not much more

[abstract dagger]

Like when the game was in betM

[stone bay]

Supporters edition

[abstract dagger]

Oh shit well im broke

[stone bay]

its not even available for purchase atm

[abstract dagger]

I bought this game years ago when it was in beta cause i thought it looked cool💀

[stone bay]

We can buy the dlc seperately ig

[abstract dagger]

Damn

[abstract dagger]

(Never played the game till now)

[stone bay]

RoN is £44 full price but i got for £33 on -20% off sale
Fingers crossed dlc isnt too expensive

[abstract dagger]

I got it from a guy that works at g2a

[stone bay]

W

[abstract dagger]

He had too many ready or not accs so he just gave one

Lmao bro was makin stacks so he just gave me a snipplet

[shadow ether]

Not sure a riot level would be fun, but a level during a riot... Imagine a skybox burning somewhere in the distance, echoes of shots fired and distant screams, and in the middle of this you are responding to a barricaded gunmen situation

[abstract dagger]

Bro thatnk god it was a acc with ready or not cause i lost my previus one

[stone bay]

Imagine an actual riot level the performance drop with all the activity would be insane 😭

[shadow ether]

performance drop
Entry team to TOC, framerate is DOA

[stone bay]

exfil immediately
We have lost control of the situation

[shadow ether]

Deploying slideshow

[abstract dagger]

Its not eaven performance oprimized and just imagine it now with that riot level

[shadow ether]

But a level during a riot is doable and I think it would be pretty lit

[abstract dagger]

Enery team to TOC, framerate is MIA

[abstract dagger]

Fps doe

It would acatuly be MIA