👮ron-discussion

[stone bay]

It’s that 1 in 14 million chances that Dr. Strange saw

[astral warren]

Also full auto shouldn't be used unless you're john wicking, frankly.

or if you have a smg

SLR47 in full auto is nearly as bad as SA-58, but with less risk of funny overpenetration and accidental civillian death.

[crude prism]

Bro got the "1 in a billion bit flip in SM64" but instead of jumping off of thin air, you just spawned in a worse position in RoN lul

[vale tangle]

when i’m using the ump i’m not worried about suspect running past my bullets because they’re getting shot at such a slow rate

seems like an al problem to me 🤷‍♂️

[crude prism]

Imagine trying to lead suspects with .45 ACP if the game actually modeled ballistics lul

[astral warren]

.45ACP is such a poopy round for anything that isn't personal defense or plinking tbh. Very fat, very slow.

[earnest phoenix]

my entire team got wiped by a single guy with a pistol in the last room on relapse while trying to do s rank

[astral warren]

Effectively a loud bow and arrow past 75 meters.

[vale tangle]

but but but muh 2 world wars 😢😢😢

[stone bay]

[astral warren]

Don't trust the surgeon with the funny accent. Give in to your prejudices.

[astral warren]

Very true.

[vale tangle]

kill civilians!!!!! kill them all!!!!!!!!

[astral warren]

No, just the funny talking surgeon when all of the bad guys talk funny.

[slate bear]

mannn i absoloutely hate ends of the earth, the depression the game induces when you shoot a suspect and that piano plays

[vale tangle]

i don’t think there was a single white or asian doctor in that entire hospital the devs knew what they were doing

[slate bear]

that piano..

[earnest phoenix]

he was literally the last guy but he was standing too far for my team to engage him and just stood in place while he was standing in a doorway unloading mags at them

[astral warren]

ngl the first time I played that level I was IMMEDIATELY sus of the disguised terrorist. I was like, "HMmmmmmm, nobody else has had this accent EXCEPT the bad guys so far..."

[astral warren]

SWAT AI is very special sometimes.

[slate bear]

arabic accent is le hecking bad

[vale tangle]

when i’m on relapse and the shifty looking surgeon says “pooooooolice”

[astral warren]

One time I had my red element get stuck in my blue element and then they all died.

[crude prism]

Of course it wouldn't be the same voice actor that swaps roles randomly to make players actually pay attention instead of going "oh it's that voice again" which nullifies the entire 'fake civilian' mechanic

[astral warren]

Not necessarily, but given the circumstances, and the fact that the developers deliberately didn't give any civilians that same accent clued me in.

[vale tangle]

the only time i actually killed a civilian thinking it was a suspect is when the phone mechanic first came out

[slate bear]

it would be cool if they gave some of the civilians arabic accents, just to give the player even more stress and suspicion on who to focus on more

[astral warren]

This would be a lot of work but having 2 or 3 voice sets for each suspect would greatly reduce readability.

[slate bear]

i point blank shotgunned a policeman in the face when he took out his badge, good times

[astral warren]

The worst part about that is you have to wait for them to finish taking pictures. If you poke them with your gun you get unauthorized use of force, because that animation is technically just a very long, very stupid, surrendering animation.

[vale tangle]

what map does that happen on 💀

[slate bear]

elephant has a police officer in it

and some other maps, i forgot which ones

[crude prism]

Not anymore 👍

[vale tangle]

oh i’ve never had him do that

[astral warren]

Oh, did they fix that?

[slate bear]

before 1.00 there was a couple police officers you could see in some maps

[crude prism]

You can arrest them through it now, assuming you can reach them

[vale tangle]

well now it lets you arrest them while they have their phone

it’s weird

[astral warren]

Oh, okay.

[stone bay]

Yeah I’m convinced it’s never gonna spawn me there again

That was a 1 in a million bug

[astral warren]

use shadowplay

[vale tangle]

volls daughter does it all the time

[slate bear]

then dont lie? 🤷‍♂️

[vale tangle]

too bad she gets the bullet, not the cuffs

[slate bear]

being threatened at gun point, lemme just give the officers a good reason to shoot me in the face..

[astral warren]

Most people are that stupid, sadly.

[slate bear]

reaching for something as an innocent civilian could be the dumbest thing you could do if apprehended by police

[astral warren]

I'm speaking from experience. Not as a SWAT officer specifically, just in general life.

[astral warren]

Unless they want something from you, and then you should probably tell them that it's in your pocket and you need to take it out, and make sure that's okay, first.

Realistically SWAT would just take it from your pockets.

[slate bear]

i saw a news report of someone who got mag dumped by <5 officers after he pulled out his ID

[astral warren]

Was he asked for his ID?

[slate bear]

i dunno

[astral warren]

If he was asked for his ID, that's manslaughter. How can you be surprised that somebody takes out their ID after you ask them for their ID? Unless he had a gun shaped wallet or some stupid shit, I know there were phone cases like that for a while.

[slate bear]

its all happened before, nothing new unfortunately

[astral warren]

The worst part is he may not have even been legally obligated to present his ID, depending on the state and circumstances.

[barren lagoon]

Woah irl cop talk

[crude prism]

I can't post those memes of people quickdrawing their wallets to "make the traffic stop faster" but uh, yeah

[vale tangle]

those are funny

[crude prism]

[slate bear]

alot of the time its minorities this happens to

[slate bear]

i remember that gun shaped wallet trend

[astral warren]

Race is a distraction from class, but I get your point.

[crude prism]

Translation: Nascar will distract you from schooling

[vale tangle]

me reaching in my bag to give the officer 1 million dollars after saying “this will be your last day as a police officer”

[astral warren]

NASCAR is lame. Give me some WRC.

[crude prism]

LOL

[vale tangle]

racing purists are the worst, you don’t have to talk down on one series to prop up another

[astral warren]

I just don't like watching NASCAR, I don't think it's less of a sport, it just isn't for me.

The crashes are entertaining and plentiful, but that's what demolishion derbies are for.

[crude prism]

Racing impurists are the worst, we get it, you like shitty series, you don't have to defend it

[astral warren]

I think we can all agree F1 is a meme.

[vale tangle]

f1 fans are the taylor swift fans of racing

[crude prism]

💀

[astral warren]

Real shit.

[balmy sentinel]

whistles in the corner as an F1 and nascar fan

[vale tangle]

they don’t understand the sport they watch, there’s a lot of them, they think they’re the best, and if you like anything other than f1 you’re wrong

[crude prism]

Is this a "most commonly liked thing bad" moment?

[astral warren]

No, it's just that the racing in F1 is very... Um... Strange.

[vale tangle]

indy is better to watch anyway, they just need better tv graphics

[slate bear]

me tweaking asf when i get told lewis hamilton signed for ferrari the 200th time

[astral warren]

The calls that are made when contact happens in F1 are very silly often.

[balmy sentinel]

indy500 is always a t3 race across all motorsports every year

[stone bay]

Alr I’ll take my L cause it’s never gonna happen again

[vale tangle]

also nascar is way more competitive than f1

[astral warren]

F1 effectively encourages you to run people off the track or into other cars because of how the rules are modified to accomodate for the faster cars.

[vale tangle]

which leads to more interesting races

[astral warren]

Close racing in F1 is rare and risky.

[balmy sentinel]

tbf thats an apples to oranges comparison, there always gonna be more parity in a spec series

[vale tangle]

personally wec is my favourite

[vale tangle]

contributes to a poor sleep schedule

[balmy sentinel]

im more of an IMSA guy for endurance but WEC is lit too

[vale tangle]

have you guys seen this years aston martin gt3?

thing is objectively gorgeous

[crude prism]

Me racing away from the totally justified traffic stop > Nascar or whatever

[slate bear]

this went from gun shaped wallets to F1

[astral warren]

I saw a video of an ASP trooper losing a Corolla in a parking lot.

It did a lap of the parking lot, and then he got too far behind, and then the Corolla was gone.

Will PIT at 140 and kill 3 uninvolved occupants but can't catch a Corolla.

[crude prism]

I love all the dashcam footage nowadays, from both sides.

Crazy people doing STUPID ass shit to run from cops, and cops pulling off crazy pursuits against these lunatics

[vale tangle]

i say that because f1 fans are always pissing themselves about how boring and uncompetitive nascar is and how the drivers are all shit when their series is just the fastest car wins

[crude prism]

"watch me turn this speeding ticket into a multi year sentence" or an early grave

[slate bear]

literally just instagram reels

[astral warren]

It is very funny. It's insane how little of an understanding of vehicle dynamics most people have. If you insist on running from the police because you don't want a warning for your speed, then at least know your shit.

So often within like the first 2 or 3 turns they just understeer into a building or a lamp post.

[vale tangle]

i drive 😎

[slate bear]

ryan gosling

[astral warren]

I've also seen an ASP trooper go sideways into a concrete barrier at 90 miles per hour, so they're not immune to these mistakes either, it seems.

[slate bear]

ryan gosling fans when they say they drive the 30th time in a week

[vale tangle]

not everyone gets the best car training

[crude prism]

turns slightly too fast, ending up as a "we're getting the teeth to match dental records"

[astral warren]

Well, then they need to have the presence of mind to keep themselves and the public safe by choosing to let someone take the lead in the pursuit or terminating it.

If you crash, you can't catch the bad guy, and you'll probably be sore, at least, if not worse. Living to fight another day is a better option than full sending it into an exchange ramp.

[vale tangle]

i know yeah that’s not how most people are, i’d assume ego went into the decision to keep the chase ending in the crash

do you think there should be like a short jog/run available for the officers, doesn’t make as much sense in an active shooter situation to just be walking the whole way through

[astral warren]

I do wish there was some way to move just a little bit faster. Turning the FOV up helps you feel faster, but it's still the same speed.

[vale tangle]

like ik stamina with all the gear is a thing but still i think like a 3 or 4 second run would make sense

[astral warren]

At the very least, give us like a 8% move speed bonus once all armed contacts are secured.

Finding that last civvie can be such a pain in the dick.

Especially at "i've shat myself" speed.

The worst thing is getting shot in both legs early on and having to finish the rest of the level.

[slate bear]

breaking your legs on the FIRST DOOR you try to breach 😭😭

[astral warren]

People using realism to completely deny the idea of any kind of faster movement option forget that this game isn't realistic at all. Suspects on gas can just eat a 7.62x51 AP round to center of mass and then just run away.

[vale tangle]

yeah the grenade mechanics need to be fixed

[astral warren]

Grenade mechanics?

[vale tangle]

gas should fill up rooms not just create a little cloud

[astral warren]

Volumetric stuff like that is hard to make and resource intensive.

[vale tangle]

and flashes are useless if they land next to a little clutter

yeah true

[astral warren]

Should check room size.

If it's too big it's just a cloud, but if it's small enough it becomes "filled".

Not perfect but better than what we have now.

I just avoid CS gas because it's really confusing to me.

Flashes are inconsistent.

I would say stingers are a little better because it throws rubber balls out from every direction, but I've also had those just not work.

[vale tangle]

and honestly i can’t say i’ve ever really had an effective use of the stingers

flashes and gas i understand how to use effectively but i just don’t get stingers

[astral warren]

I have used stingers before, and they have worked, but when they don't it's harder to tell, because usually suspects yell, "AAHHHH, MY EYES, I'M BLIND!!! I CAN'T SEEEEEE!" when you flash them, but they just squat and flap their arms when you stinger them.

[vale tangle]

yeah and coughing when gassed

[barren lagoon]

I thought stingers work same as flash but they can also open doors

[astral warren]

Oh yeah, the rubber balls have physics.

[vale tangle]

flashes to me seem to be better for like bigger rooms like the morgues on relapse

[astral warren]

I saw a clip of someone's flash being bounced back towards them by a rubber ball that was in the air from a stinger.

Truly the unluckiest of moments.

[vale tangle]

💀

[barren lagoon]

Idk why I prefer stingers

[vale tangle]

i only use stingers on the grenade launcher

[barren lagoon]

Stingers make me feel better lol

[crude prism]

Void's current implementation does not function a significant portion of the time.

They don't need to get into advanced volumetric stuff to fix 99% of the issues

Simply adding secondary -close to grenade- circular checks that ignore objects would fix almost everything with the grenades

[vale tangle]

another problem is that it seems like elevation changes make the cs gas and flashbangs effectiveness fall off hard

[astral warren]

Best LTL is .45 JHP for anyone with armour tbh

[astral warren]

Oh, I see. I suppose I should quit giving VOID so much credit.

I'm just glad CS gas can be seen through, now.

Why doesn't it work as it is, now?

[crude prism]

The current grenades need direct LOS from the grenade to the suspect, meaning that even two suspects standing in a line could block the grenade effect from one to the other. Or a chair leg/small floor debris could block the tracing entirely

Grenades desperately need to be switched to raw AOE. Who cares if a not-perfect throw flashes a suspect on the other side of a couch or doorway they're taking cover on

[astral warren]

bruh

[vale tangle]

yeah a lot of games ignore the bang in flash bang

[astral warren]

that is the dumbest way to do that I can think of

"bro the cs gas effects their eyes, they can't be effected by it if they can't see it!!!"

[crude prism]

Gas is the exception to my understanding, it has some kind of volumetric system, but that also seems inconsistent. But without the actual debug tools to see the dispersion in real time 🤷

[astral warren]

That's why I just avoid CS gas. It's a mystery.

[crude prism]

CS is 100 times more reliable then flashes/stingers because they at least provide repeated area-checks instead of just a 1 and done

[astral warren]

The 2 times I've used it I've had people in the cloud just mag dump me immediately, but I was probably just unlucky.

[rose marlin]

is the game going to be added to xbox any time soon? threw my computer away and just remembered this game

[astral warren]

I hope you're joking.

How do you map this game to a controller, even?

[rose marlin]

it was only an ask

didn’t need a whole explanation, just a yes or no

[crude prism]

There's been no console announcement, and unless it takes a miraculously short amount of time to port over, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon

[rose marlin]

thanks man

[crude prism]

Sorry

[rose marlin]

that’s how you help someone @astral warren

[stone bay]

Me looking crazy now, cause I have no proof/footage of that extremely rare spawn bug

[astral warren]

didn't need a whole explanation

[barren lagoon]

Does cs work if I deploy it and a suspect enters room?

[rose marlin]

was just telling you my friend

[stone bay]

I do hope that spawn becomes a thing. So I can immediately hide behind the Debanco truck

[astral warren]

This reminds me of that series of tweets where that guy thought that there were jews living under his house, and then there were actually jews living under his house.

[vale tangle]

lol

i thought of that while the thing was happening

[astral warren]

NYC is different.

[stone bay]

Now that’s a guaranteed/instant “stop lying bro”

[astral warren]

Are you doubting that that happened, or is that a simulated reaction to his claims?

[stone bay]

It’s the “before” it was discovered

Only difference is he had proof

[astral warren]

It makes me wonder how many people have been right but didn't have proof.

Maybe all of the crazy people on the internet aren't so crazy.

He didn't find proof, NYCPD did.

[slate bear]

its not extremely rare, it never happened

[stone bay]

Gerard tweaking about the USIA constantly watching every moment

[stone bay]

Yeah that’s one way of putting it

[slate bear]

so you admit

[astral warren]

gaslighting? what's that? you made that up, didn't you?!

[stone bay]

I take my L yes since I have no proof

[vale tangle]

bro is not stopping until he gets an admission

[slate bear]

i am not

[vale tangle]

worlds greatest prosecutor

[stone bay]

Ice cream.MP4 wins the court case

[slate bear]

thank you, someone who doesnt assosciate my username with john xina

[stone bay]

I would’ve if it was “bingqilin”

[keen flicker]

try the gas, that shit you can drop it in a hallway and it will still effect those inside a room. works pretty well.

[umbral oar]

is judge asking d platoon to “do him a favor” canon

[cold gyro]

flashbang ftw

[earnest phoenix]

can you get unauthorised use of force for gassing secured suspects/civ

[crude prism]

In theory yes, but you'd have to be gassing them for a looooooooooooooong time

[molten finch]

I just have to do Hide and Seek to get the dev watch, very nerovus

[molten finch]

https://prnt.sc/USM-Hkg_31Ut Its done.

Its over

[drifting cairn]

bruh I sent a offer to translate the game to turkish to void in email, they said they would get back to me if they were ever thinking bout expanding it
a month later i see a damn turkish translation in the game....

[quick ocean]

Welp, unfortunately that’s how it goes 99% of the time

[modern birch]

Anyone else suddenly getting "unable to join, game is in progress" error when looking for public game matchmaking? 😳

[quick ocean]

Yeah I stumbled upon that too today. Wonder what’s going on

[modern birch]

AH maybe just not enough lobbys with players available? 🤔 Hm. I'll ask in #💻tech-support .

[molten finch]

for The hanged man achievement do you have to S it or just bring those items and have the ai do most of the work?

[modern birch]

Ok I posted it in #1050535723087958156

it worked for me after like 5-6 tries

Does one get a "your connection to the host has been lost." message when getting kicked from a lobby, or is there an actual useful "you have been kicked" message?

[crude prism]

"your connection to the host has been lost" means the host either lost internet, or closed the lobby

[modern birch]

Ok thanks!

[gentle shell]

Will ready or not come to console?

[shy tulip]

There is no confirmation yet

[vestal mauve]

Hope not
It'll be censored to hell

[rain hazel]

How so? There's plenty worse games on console for sure lol

[gentle shell]

I would rather play a censored version of the game then not be able to play it at all

If it does come to console I hope it isn’t censored but I’ll take what I can get

[rain hazel]

Man Greased Palms is really kicking my ass

Am I bad or is that just a hard level

[frail quartz]

Is there stuff in the game that wouldn't be allowed on console or something?

I know consoles refuse to have 18+ rated games, but RoN isn't one of those

[crude prism]

Greased palms can be pretty tedious. imo taking the right side office then left around the outside is the best way to thin out the map before you head in

[rain hazel]

Yeah I took out everyone on the outside first

The problem is I just get randomly headshot through some random box lol

Maybe I just have to get lucky with RNG and hope more people spawn outside

But I've done it like 6 times

[vestal mauve]

Port Hokan might be a problem
Console manufacturers dont like nudity in general
Elephant too, the school shooting is a touchy subject

[frail quartz]

I mean, cyberpunk has nudity, doesn't it?

[vestal mauve]

In a human trafficking context?

[frail quartz]

I suppose not

[bright valley]

It's pretty infamous for being difficult. A wide open space with swiss cheese cover isn't ideal for CQB.

"I work here! I'm a bouncer!" --civilian on Greased Palms for some reason

[frail quartz]

1.0 moment

[rain hazel]

Yeah lol I noticed that

[bright valley]

Anyone else give the AI SWAT orders to open/grenade/clear a room and they'll just, like, ignore the grenade part? lol

[molten finch]

I’ve had them completely ignore a open/clear orders

They’ll just stand there

Then I have to push in to the area by myself and put myself in harms way bc they wanna be dumb

[foggy zinc]

you can always reset them by getting them to Fall Back to you, after that they'll most likely obey commands. And if not,|| you're screwed ||

[viscid yarrow]

omfg

i just tried to do ides of march on iron man mode

out of the 30+ times ive done it never had a tripwire on the first door except right now

on my iron man save everything i sgone

[viscid yarrow]

i am in so much pain

[rugged ivy]

dumbass suspects when I only shoot them like 20 times

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨 remember cancel command and retry immediately after

[lone pelican]

I actually hate neon tomb so much and I'm procrastinating doing it for iron man

[foggy zinc]

Clear pools then transition to the bathrooms and wherever else you find suspects

[molten finch]

If you wanted to you can alt f4 and stop the world from deleting

[foggy zinc]

you can use a shotty if you wish too

[molten finch]

And getting to ides isn’t really that difficult tbh; I just got my dev watch this morning after hide and seek on my iron man watch

[bright valley]

It got easier with hotfix 3.

[foggy zinc]

unrelated but would someone mind giving me a loadout to try out for a bit for funsies, preferably a rifle but i have no real objections besides the p/f90 because bullbup design is pee pee poo poo

[molten finch]

I am a fan of the Lvar and the 5.7

I also carry a gas launcher too cuz the mirror gun is kinda cheap imo, so I personally don’t like to use it in my runs

[bright valley]

Rifles don't really feel like "for funsies" picks except maybe the SA-58 on missions where it can one-shot.

Everything else is incredibly basic "I'm taking this mission seriously" stuff.

[kindred leaf]

SA58 is a beast

[prime mural]

I mean besides all the gimmick guns, r there any "for funsies" guns?

Maybe the shotties

Sa58, python(even tho that shit slow AF)

[bright valley]

"for funsies" and gimmicky are pretty much one and the same to me.

[prime mural]

Mostly cause all the guns essentially function the same within category

And all rifles essentially being better smgs

[viscid yarrow]

thats for wimps

defeats the whole point of iron man

[viscid yarrow]

REAL

[bright valley]

Like, grab yourself an SPC, throw a laser on it and give yourself a crapload of extra primary magazines so you can hipfire stuff at impractically high rates of fire. That's good fun.

[foggy zinc]

true lel

spc is a lot of fun against higher tier armour

[molten finch]

I needed that watch man, at some point I’ll do it proper but according to the game and my achievements, it’s done and dusted I needed the drip and I could’ve done the unlock everything mod but that’s the real wimpy solution to get the drip

[prime mural]

Watch as the angry vet in front of you eats a full mag into his chest

[bright valley]

One thing I've tried recently was using the VKS for lethal runs. Bring your favorite pistol and enough ammo for both weapons, use indirect pepperball fire to flush people out of cover during gunfights and shoot 'em with your pistol.

[foggy zinc]

spc on elephant was straight pain, mag dump into a guy and it stunned him

had to finish him off with another mag

[bright valley]

The trick with SPC spam is running JHP instead of AP.

[foggy zinc]

9mm JHP is indeed goodge takes way more shots against higher tier armour but 9mm SMGs are only viable to L2 anyways

[bright valley]

You bzzzzzzt through a guy and like 4 bullets get 'em in the limbs.

[stone bay]

• only taser and flash for you
• AI team can use any gun + only flash for them as well
• open and clear/kick and clear/clear with flash only
• no other equipment (no shield, no NVG, no ram, no breach shotty) just don’t use them

you can just clear it normally like you would with “Way Out West” achievement. No need for S

[foggy zinc]

ok i've come to the realization that the ARWC is still king for me

fun unlocked

[molten finch]

Thank you for that 🙏

[frail quartz]

Yeah, it's still the lowest recoil AR platform rifle even after the recoil nerfs

[stone bay]

My fun guns are modded ones

[mighty elbow]

they should make it so the SA58 has zero recoil

[frail quartz]

Yes but what gun does it replace?

[frail quartz]

So true bestie 💅

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3009 SR-16

[foggy zinc]

share your mods with me now

the only SR16 enjoyer in all of ready or not

[frail quartz]

I still don't understand why nobody replaces the SR-16 with actual 14.5 rifles

[turbid fog]

Found this game on sale for $30... worth it? I loved SWAT 4

[foggy zinc]

NEW BALLISTIC MOD LOOOOOOOL https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3733

bro is popping off lately

[frail quartz]

I've been waiting SO goddamn long for a good ARN mod

[dapper trail]

Does anyone know why there is a clip of the movie Cherade from 1963 in the movies folder of Ready or Not?
steamapps/common/Ready Or Not/ReadyOrNot/Content/Movies/ is the path. Is this part of the game somewhere or just left in on accident? Seems odd to just have a random movie clip.

[stone bay]

I defo enjoy most guns. I did first love HK-416 when everybody was trashing it the most

[foggy zinc]

im gonna try it out right now lol

[frail quartz]

I mained the 416 at first too

[foggy zinc]

i did too

its still a fantastic gun

[stone bay]

There are 2 that I know of. Both from Ballistique as well. A DDM4A1 and a DDM4V7 unless those don’t change the barrel length as well

[rain hazel]

If you want something like SWAT in a more modern format, I'd say give it a shot

Also really great for playing with friends

[stone bay]

Aw man an ARN-180 replacement as well. I alr have one that does that. The auto shotgun. TTI Gen 12 I think..?

[turbid fog]

Is there enough of an online community to play with others? I don't have any friends that have this game

[rain hazel]

Absolutely

This Discord has 50k online members

[stone bay]

coolness > meta

[rain hazel]

#🔎looking-for-players

[turbid fog]

Appreciate the info Frosty

[foggy zinc]

i've tried that one out too, it's somewhat good but i prefer the normal shotties

[turbid fog]

Actually second question... is playing in single player with bots and using commands fun too? Or is it really just online that this game does well

[stone bay]

Benelli M4 just cleaning house

[rain hazel]

Singleplayer is fine but not the optimal way to play imo
Still viable

[turbid fog]

👍

[stone bay]

You can be fine with SP all throughout. Unless you get bored fast without playing with people

[foggy zinc]

ok that new KAC ARN mod that i mentioned earlier is lit

this thing looks beautiful

[stone bay]

Gon try it out later

[turbid fog]

Cool. My favorite time in gaming was playing Tom Clancy's Rogue Spear back in the old days, so trying to relive those days lol

[frail quartz]

It's only a matter of time until my fantasies of a MCX rattler and a 15+ round magazine .45 handgun are fulfilled.

[stone bay]

15 round mag .45 handgun? I think Flykes has one. Idk if it works after Hotfix 3 tho

[foggy zinc]

15+ round is a thing, there's a taran tactical M45 mod that increases the mag cap to 17 i think but it no worko sadly

broken by hotfix

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/users/77844593?tab=user+files

[stone bay]

F

[frail quartz]

They have a mod that replaces the 1911 with a handgun with a 15 round mag, but the gun in that mod is a 9mm in real life

[stone bay]

Yeah the WC EDC X9

But it says it’s .45 in game so I can’t complain

[frail quartz]

I can complain because my inner gunnut won't allow it 😡 😡 😡

[stone bay]

[formal dirge]

I can't change my weapons?

[stone bay]

Prolly a weapon mod that doesn’t work after hotfix 3

Had plenty of that happen

[formal dirge]

oh theres a new hotfix?

trying to find which one is the issue

[foggy zinc]

Gunfighter mod conflict, its since been updated.

[stone bay]

Mine was the one I mentioned. The Wilson Combat EDC X9. I couldn’t get it to equip for my AI team. Before hotfix they could use it just fine

[frail quartz]

Ballistique already made a FNX-45 mod that has a 15 round magazine IRL, I wish they would just go back and update it now that they know how to modify mag capacities on weapons (and also fix the gun not having a firing pin while they're at it)

[foggy zinc]

would be neat if ballistique spoke more here cuz bro is the goat for ron mods at this point

[viscid glen]

cool to see this games dead again lol

[rain hazel]

This is an extremely active chat what are you on about

[frail quartz]

Ehhh so-so

[rain hazel]

Compared to a lot of games I play it it's a lot

And there's 5.2k people playing right now according to Steam Charts--by no means dead

[frail quartz]

Insert that one video of that dad screaming about "THAT'S WHY HE'S THE MVP, THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT, THE GOAT"

[foggy zinc]

so real lel

bro is taking over

once he makes an AI/Gameplay mod it's over

[foggy zinc]

hello

[frail quartz]

Am I crazy for thinking a mod that reduces reload speeds by 10-15% would be cool

It always kind of bothered me how a game where enemies go down in 2-3 shots has reloads as fast as COD

[foggy zinc]

slower reload would make it nice and more realistic but that can't happen during firefights

[stone bay]

Imagine if they add weapon jams

[foggy zinc]

pipe down right now

[viscid yarrow]

real men waste hours of life for pixels

[molten finch]

Oh I did, greased palms was my worst by far

[stone bay]

Boutta get lazered

[molten finch]

I first tried rust belt, sins and neon

[frail quartz]

I mean, yeah, that's kind of the point. Makes you a bit more cautious about how you conserve your magazines

[molten finch]

First tried buy cheap buy twice too, even hide and seek, but greased was where I needed the help

Everything else was smooth and good, still took me ~8hours prolly

[stone bay]

I add a self-imposed limit of 15 max slots from the 25 that Gunfighter provides

[foggy zinc]

Does faster reload and mag flies to other side of the room

[frail quartz]

I only use 4 primary mags, the rest of the slots go towards grenades

[stone bay]

Saem. And I mean actual frag grenades btw

[soft narwhal]

Same, I only ever take max 4 primary mags. All I need tbh. I never use more than like 2-3 mags

[tough spire]

Did someone say weapon jams? I'd love a malfunction possibility

[stone bay]

[frail quartz]

Most of the time my ai help enough to where I don't even need to swap mags

[stone bay]

Carry about 4-5 of those grenades

[soft narwhal]

I just don't miss

[frail quartz]

I honestly carry 11 flashbangs because my ai can't throw for shit

[outer shore]

They should add intro scenes

[soft narwhal]

Very easy to hit people when they're standing still and you watch them try and bring up their gun

[tough spire]

Carrying more utility instead of more mags is a solid way to play with AI. Prep the rooms for them etc.

[stone bay]

I really wish we could double flash a single room entry if simul-breach isn’t possible

But I guess they can just clear with flash then I throw one flash as well

[tough spire]

You sort of can, you you have your bot throw one and y... Yeah that

[frail quartz]

I still think a unique singleplayer mechanic where you can borrow grenades from your teammates would be nice since realistically you could just have another player throw flashbangs when you're out

Also ADD BACK AI TOSSING GRENADES THROUGH PEEKED DOORS GYOSH DARN IT 😡 😡 😤

[tough spire]

Wait that was a thing?!

[frail quartz]

Yeah, it's how I cleared almost every room

[tough spire]

Yooooo omg. Yes plz

[frail quartz]

Now ai refuse to throw grenades unless the door is open all the way

[tough spire]

They need a lot more work to be great. They're pretty good now but there's so many glaring holes

[frail quartz]

If not it would atleast be nice if you could command ai to "Open/breach, toss, and close" with how they're able to close doors without standing in the doorway

[lone pelican]

why cant i send anxious people to therapy

[gusty turret]

why do i have to play therapist in the swat game

[tough spire]

"open, cs, close, wait, open, clear" command for me

The fact they'll chase a CS grenades before it has a chance to fill is so dumb

[stone bay]

https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/1205961353601224786 i could’ve added more but it was other issues alr

[frail quartz]

I wish they wouldn't shout at suspects they see in rooms that they're about to close the door to as well

[stone bay]

Like wedging a double door then opening it and one of the doors is permanently jammed

Not even C2 could destroy it

[frail quartz]

It's funny how ai will still continue to jam doors even if a suspect opens it

I think I remember seeing that atleast, I'm not sure

[stone bay]

Bro it’s so absurd that the suspects can open wedged doors

[frail quartz]

Did they not patch that bug?...

[stone bay]

It happened a lot on Ides of March

[stone bay]

Nah man it’s still happening

[foggy zinc]

no

[stone bay]

I didn’t provide footage or make a post cause it’s a known issue at this point along with this issue

[stone bay]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message might as well use the footage

[vestal mauve]

Please no
Weapons jams have literally never been a good idea in games

[terse merlin]

Jams only make sense in survival games where maintaining your weapon is an actual feature

[frail quartz]

I was just about to say this

But yeah, jams aren't fitting in a game like this where you play as tactical operators with well-cleaned weapons who aren't trudging through mud

[gusty turret]

i mean for poor and untrained suspects it could be a funny thing every now and then but ya not for any of the weapons from the station they would be tip top

but i would chuckle when it happens on twisted or whatever

[frail quartz]

I'd absolutely love to hear them scream "FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT" as they angrily beat their weapons

[gusty turret]

2 gun suspect 2 jams

let him go

[astral warren]

Is anyone else unable to find a public game?

Connection is lost every time.

If I host, other players have no problem connecting to my lobby.

[stark hollow]

It was said to be a possibility for suspects

Not for SWAT

[frail quartz]

Yea I know

We've had the conversation before

[stark hollow]

I have this conversation a lot😭

[tough spire]

Jams and misfires can happen even with maintained gear. It'd be neat if it was an extremely rare possibility. lol

[undone valve]

I dont think it’d be a good idea in a game like this

Dying is already demoralising enough, so dying to something as unlucky as a jam would be even worse

[tough spire]

I don't think it's reasonable as a core mechanic. It'd be a fun option.

This playerbase is still working on the whole "doors = dangerous" thing.

[lone pelican]

bro wtf i thought paramedic saved officers

my hermit run just got fucked because paramedic perk didnt work

what kind of bullshit is that

i was on CARRIERS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING VINE

and this game FUCKS me

it wasnt even my paramedic that died

is that an intended feature? or is this game actually just that shit

[urban cloud]

hi

im new to ron

[lone pelican]

that just killed every ounce of will to play this game I had

[balmy sentinel]

traits are bugged rn its been known since launch.
Theyre active when locked and inactive when unlocked.

[lone pelican]

that is so fucking annoying

[crude prism]

"been known" as if you don't have to talk to like the 2 people in this discord who knew it and made bug reports lmao

Void moment

Shit should've been patched eons ago

[lone pelican]

actually almost uninstalled the game breh

[craggy yew]

Goddamn you auto mod blocking my gamer advice

[timid vigil]

Port Hokan is definitely the climactic showdown the game needs

Parts of it remind me of the shootout at the end of the Miami Vice movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-TZAIGkSo&t=50s

[sage hornet]

Is there any sniper based missions in this game? I've been playing with some buddies and I've always wanted to be one of the supportive snipers giving points and watching over my guys. Not hitman mode sniper elite type bs, but be an actual sniper giving away positions and being survey for the team.

[keen flicker]

wish the bortac vest came in other colors

[static wigeon]

Port Hokan brutal map

[royal pier]

its very fun

[timid vigil]

it really tests you. also it gives you an incentive to use the SA-58 OSW with the scope

[royal pier]

yea

[timid vigil]

I usually do minimal optics but here actually having a magnified optic is useful

[royal pier]

yea

[tacit gull]

No

[tough spire]

You can on Port a bit. But not the whole thing.

[umbral oar]

w…what

what the actual scrap

[high kernel]

the replay mode is so broken its frustrating 😭

anyways

thats all I gotta say

[remote flame]

Just saw ai kill AI Teammate through a brick wall... WTF is that lol

[valid leaf]

Anyone think RoN is coming to console?

[sturdy gazelle]

Is the 9-bang mod known to do no stun effect or am I just bugging

[tacit gull]

It might, VOID expressed interest but nothing is solid as of yet

[tacit gull]

9-bangs are a legacy grenade so they might not work, however all grenades are pretty bad right now due to how they check for stuns

[brittle tiger]

Alright bit of a tangent but

Why do we have a M320 launcher in service with the LSPD when they want to tell us that the LSPD is currently underfunded

Like wouldn't it make sense to use a much cheaper option like the Federal Laboratories Gas Gun which is still in service with PDs to this day

[crude prism]

"hand me downs"

[tacit gull]

Actual lore explaination is that the LSPD is spending every last dime on equipment and nothing else
Cheap

[lost inlet]

guess m320 is for riot control so make sense its there in the station but quad nods is the reason why we so underfunded, we got scammed

[brittle tiger]

I mean if the department is so underfunded then they'd probably opt for the cheaper options in the catalog

like the aforementioned gas gun

but nope, we got quadnods, m320s and that rotary GL

[lost inlet]

rotary gl got removed, guess they found about AI teammate rotate gl spam strat

[round epoch]

because its more fun when you have more toys to play with

[tame kayak]

uhh, so I tried taking all my teams helmets off to look cool with only balaclavas and when I start the game the helmets are on no mater what

anyone knows the reason why?

[lost inlet]

bug

[cobalt basin]

are you not able to have no helmet?

i cant find out how to remove le helmets

[lost inlet]

you can remove the helmet but your model remain the same as just helmet

[foggy zinc]

hello officers

[neon forge]

whats rotary gl

oh grenade launcher

[mental fable]

No newsletters this week ?

Or is it another bugfix

[sturdy gazelle]

Lol idk if it’s just me or do yall keep walking around the map first time playing and struggling to find the final enemy or hostage

[cyan shadow]

What's with the timeline in this game? I've seen some ingame stuff saying 2023, others saying 2026

[lime wigeon]

Ron ost on spotify when

[brittle sable]

combat ost goes hard

[lime wigeon]

menu theme

[brittle sable]

Do you have to play live with bodycam mod or can you just record a replay and play with normal hud?

[foggy zinc]

for reshade stuff you'd need to record with OBS or relevant recording software. Replays only capture the scene which does not include post-processing effects on your game client that's what i'm interpreting at least, it wouldn't make much sense if reshade is somehow captured lol

[craggy yew]

I love how whenever you look up ready or not on YouTube you get bombared with video essays that can be compressed down to “this game bad ai broken game devs being too edgy and not fixing game”

[brittle sable]

its either praise or shitting on the game for not recieving an update in a week and skill issues (except the 1:10 video that is actually constructive and talks on genuine points)

[craggy yew]

“Ready or not has a serious problem” they don’t take the game slow and rush through maps like call of duty and die

[brittle sable]

i wish we could make it a requirement to upload footage of every issue you have with the game

cause i bet the community could pick apart half of the complaint clips

wont happen, but itd be nice

[mental fable]

Yea its 2025 and 2026

[vestal mauve]

it's split between guys like Bigfry who just shill the game with no criticism, and giga haters who either suck at the game or just want it to be Rainbow Six

[craggy yew]

“AI is super unfair” grading pen click

[tacit ice]

Papers please

[winter orbit]

Watching people complain about AI accuracy and reaction times, then seeing them flashlight a room before entering, walk past a wooden divider and get shot through. Even with that ambush, the suspect misses 70% of their shots.
Like...literally just a skill issue at that point

[lone pelican]

^

[radiant siren]

^

[winter orbit]

Invictus' 1.0 Hotfix #3 video was just a 25 minute long cope session istg.
Guy complains that a guard on Voll House shoots him from the pool whilst he's in the garden, then complains that he keeps getting shot even when he goes behind a few twigs.
Like...

He stands still, then wonders why the trained guards who know the house layout can still hit him

[radiant siren]

There are definitely some instances of BS with the AI, but some people are complaining that an AI can see them from like 20 feet away and shoot them

[winter orbit]

If anything the AI is too stupid atm.
If me and my buddy can 2 man Neon with nothing but shirts, 2 M24s and AP rounds...
yeah, AI is too difficult guys

Took em 7 minutes to B rank College, with a 7 stack ffs

[craggy yew]

Object permanence is a hell of a drug

[brittle sable]

ong? people a rank that shit in 5 solo

[craggy yew]

College is more dreadful than hard id say so tf took them so long

[winter orbit]

It was depressing to watch

THey just suck lol

[craggy yew]

And they get to talk smack about the game

[amber hearth]

how expensive is the quad NVG

[stone bay]

Do you end up shooting suspects without warning?

[craggy yew]

40 thousand dollars irl

[amber hearth]

huh

[craggy yew]

For a set of military quad nvgs it’s 40 thousand dollars

[amber hearth]

arent police departmens can use more expensive equipments because when they lose it, like when a user get shot they would most likely be able to recover the equipments

[stone bay]

Do you have to yell a warning before shooting the suspect?

[craggy yew]

Yes preferably

[vestal mauve]

yep

[modern birch]

Does the game's name originate from the 2019 comedy horror film? 🤔 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtYTwUxhAoI)

[stone bay]

Cause I end up pulling the trigger too fast. On the other hand, I haven't shot a single civilian so far.

[vestal mauve]

so far
:I

[amber hearth]

no its from a popular street game kids play, around rio(pronto ou não
)

[stone bay]

So anyways, I started blasting...

[stone bay]

Its supposed to be darkly comedic.

'Ready or not, here I come...'

[tacit gull]

Suspects seeing a flashlight isn't a thing, the problems with AI stem more from unfinished/unclear/overtuned systems than just pure reaction time and accuracy, the AI is awful and their reactions were tuned through the roof to make them seem competent

[willow ledge]

Why did they remove the civilian killing in the game 😔 how am i supoised to commit warcrimes now

[modern birch]

Wow okay!!! Because from what I just saw in the Clemente Hotel movie room, there was a movie running with an actress that looked like either Audrey Hepburn or Samara Weaving, I'm not sure atm 🤔

[tacit gull]

No, Ready or Not had its title in 2017, long before the film came out

[modern birch]

ah ok.

[stone bay]

Btw, does the game give you an appreciation of SWAT teams actually?

[winter orbit]

Hearing a lot of cope tbh

[tacit gull]

Not particularly, you can fire on suspects as long as they're not hesitating

[willow ledge]

Yeah its scary work but i still wanna commit warcrimes

[craggy yew]

The theory I heard is that your the last good people in a failing city and you need to take down these bad people whether your Ready Or Not

[tacit gull]

If they're aware of you and they're not playing the animation you're free to shoot

[swift fog]

cope

[stone bay]

Is it war crimes that I shoot the suspect on sight?

[modern birch]

HECK yes of course! 👌 Btw. how realistic is it that the base operations codename is "Talk"? (Since the voice on the radio always says "this is talk, do this and that, blablabla good, blabla okay etc.")

[willow ledge]

Suspects nah unless u arrest em

[tacit gull]

Great rebuttal, glad to see you have the argumentation skills of a 10 year old

[vestal mauve]

it's TOC
Tactical Operations Command

[willow ledge]

Before this update i could line up 5 people and mow em down without the squad shooting me

[stone bay]

I mean, I see someone who has a gun in non police uniform, I straight up shoot them.

[willow ledge]

Yeah sure

[modern birch]

why not also shoot at suspects that are hesitating? 😝

[willow ledge]

U can shoot em

[stone bay]

Here is modern society complaining about police being too harsh and violent, and then there's us.

[winter orbit]

Still hearing cope

[swift fog]

copious amounts of cope

[tacit gull]

Game gives you a penalty if you do, not that it makes a lot of difference

[winter orbit]

If you think the AI is too difficult rn, please, play better

[modern birch]

do you mean "shoot" as in "kill", or incapacitate?

[willow ledge]

Magdump whoever u want in ready or not lol

[stone bay]

Kill anyway. I take no chances.

[vestal mauve]

using full auto
ngmi

[modern birch]

ah yes, that's what I meant. So do you know how realistic codename "talk" is?

[stone bay]

It's either them, or me and my buddies

Of course, civilians are off limits, and should not be harmed.

[modern birch]

So game gives also penalty for incapacitating a suspect? 😳

[tacit gull]

Incaps and kills are the same, as long as you fired on the suspect while he was hesitating you get penalised, even if he doesn't get downed

[willow ledge]

Nah sometimes u wanna cosplay the search bloc so u get anybody vaguely suspicious and shoot em

[stone bay]

But civilians don't shoot back, so they should be spared.

[modern birch]

oof. does it usually intimidate suspects if you shoot right next to them?

[willow ledge]

According to the super accurate totally not tv show "Narcos" anyone can get it

[tacit gull]

I've played with mods that do that, i don't know if its a tweaked value or a new mechanic entirely so... maybe?

[modern birch]

Not if you only shoot at them to incapacitate instead of going for the kill

[willow ledge]

We always shoot to kill tho?

[modern birch]

can get what?

[willow ledge]

Get shot lol

[tacit gull]

In the base game however suspects will almost always start firing on you, so if you see them hesitating you either get ready to shoot them when they stop hesitating or you get a taser out

[modern birch]

you and your buddies? Why?

[stone bay]

How you determine who's civilian and bad guy

[modern birch]

oh that, yeah

[stone bay]

Maybe its the poses and posture

[stone bay]

with mods it scares them yeah, but in vanilla, it makes them more prone to kill you

Unless they do that thing where they shoot then immediately surrender after

[willow ledge]

Idk if the suspect runs at u with a knife or gun u mag dump the guy

[modern birch]

I just had a suspect in Postal mission aim at me and freezing, not doing anything turned out he had the .357 revolver and I think it was empty and that there is some bug that instead of reloading it he keeps pulling the trigger on the empty gun maybe?

[willow ledge]

Shoot em then if u get a penalty or killed by ur own team its probably a civilian

[stone bay]

How you compare SWAT games to this?

[tacit gull]

Eyup, they sometimes do that when they run out of ammo, they just stare at you and STILL refuse to surrender

[modern birch]

Oh if he gets super close then heck yeah.

[modern birch]

Wouldn't it be more exciting if they were able to reload their .357? Or isn't it a feature in the game yet in general, that suspects can reload their weapons?

[modern birch]

interesting

[tacit gull]

They can, maybe he just didn't have any extra mags on him or some other tomfuckery happened in the background and he got glitched unable to reload

[modern birch]

yeah that's a fun thing, almost seems like the devs added that as a feature, as if the suspect immediately regrets firing his gun and surrenders right after because of it

[modern birch]

oh nice, ok!

[stone bay]

By the time he fires the gun, I already let off a shot and luckily miss, and still arrest him alive

[tacit gull]

Fun experiment: beanbag somebody and don't ask them to surrender, get them to fire off all their shots and watch them take an entire calendar year to reload their gun

[modern birch]

"beanbag"? (I only found very funny explanations on urbandictionary.com, but those are DEFINITELY not the ones you mean )

[tacit gull]

The less lethal shotgun fires beanbag rounds

[willow ledge]

Whats the point of less lethal just shoot em its a game

[stone bay]

For the S rankers

[bright vault]

The traps in my game are invisible

[willow ledge]

U cant get s rank if u kill susoects in justified circumstances?

[stone bay]

Have the AI mirror gun it or peek the door, then if your quick command doesn't say "Move and Clear", you're most likely gonna see "Disarm Trap"

[bright vault]

okay thank you

[stone bay]

Nope everyone has to be alive. But there's a mod that lets you get S rank even if you kill most suspects

[willow ledge]

I feel like the update downgraded certain parts of the game ngl

Like the missions were free to play in any order but now theres a story 😔

[stone bay]

can AI suspects still kill their fellow ne'er-do-wells?

[bright vault]

Is there any mod for less ads sway

[modern birch]

They then shoot without aiming at you or how don't you get shot?

[tacit gull]

Use a shield

[modern birch]

Why did you ask this btw?

[modern birch]

Ok. Btw. how realistic is that shield? Because ingame one can fire mag after mag onto it and it won't ever break down, right?

[tacit gull]

Shield is impenetrable, so not realistic at all

Only issue you might have is the visor getting cracked, but that's it

[stuck cloak]

why do me and my friend get low fps on nvidia cards and my buddy with AMD works fine with no fps drops and 120fps, also my graphics card and cpu are on 50% usage

[stone bay]

Just curious.

[modern birch]

Because it sounded as if SWAT teams weren't appreciated enough 🤔

[modern birch]

argh ok.

[modern birch]

maybe ask it in #💻tech-support ?

[stone bay]

To be frank, lot of people think police are too aggressive. Seeing how people play this game, I don't think most of us can be better either.

[hearty parrot]

Game performance is getting ironed out

[stone bay]

What's your usual score btw

[tacit gull]

This... is not the case i don't think, if you want a game that truly appreciates what SWAT officers go through i think you're better off with SWAT 4 even though it takes more of a hollywood approach, it handles a lot of concepts with a lot more respect than RON such as RoE and value of life

[modern birch]

police in which country?

[stone bay]

I see, what you mean with a lot more respect?

[crystal sierra]

Sins of the father is still wallbang paradise for AI ngl 😦 Got my full team killed trough solid wall...

[modern birch]

what he wrote right after: RoE and value of life

[tacit gull]

As in it puts more emphasis on the parts that matter, a lot of the missions have a good "human" element to them that lacks in RON, the writing is a lot less edgy yet it hits way harder, the bond with your team is a lot more personal since they're not just disposable goons like in RON's commander mode. You're pushed into arresting people by their believable reactions, by the settings which are way more fleshed out and logical, compared to RON's universe where everyone is either a kiddie diddler or an unredeemable evil person. You're heavily penalised for shooting people you're not supposed to, having to always ask for compliance and risk giving the enemy an edge over you etc.
Overall it's just way better thought out, paced and executed, all done by a way smaller team under way less time

[stone bay]

Yeah about that. Ready Or Not seems to be very cynical and depressing. SWAT 4 is also serious, but dosen't go that far.

Also, a smaller team with less time?

[modern birch]

RON's "commander mode" is simply the single-player mode, or?

[tacit gull]

Right? It knows when to play it cool and when it pulls out some fucked up shit it just feels different, such as that mass grave on tarrone's tenement

[tacit gull]

Commander mode is the new addition that gives you random officers with perks attached to them that is arguably worse than the "practice mode" they tucked away in the menus

[stone bay]

Maybe its when the game is released. SWAT 4 is released in 2005, but RoN is 2023.

[tacit gull]

RON originally promised to delve way deeper into its topics and the game definetly looked way classier both in its presentation and it's writing. I wonder what happened

[stone bay]

What about SWAT 3 though? (the others I have no interest in. Since SWAT 3 and 4 are the only SWAT games that's in FPS and only 4 is available for Windows 11).

[stone bay]

First time I watched the trailer, I thought there was going to be some brooding atmospheric single player campaign, where you bond with your squadmates.

[fiery flame]

How would this game be like on a control

[tacit gull]

SWAT 3 has a lot of cool features but overall i think it suffers from a lot of the same problems that RON has: namely the lack of suspect self preservation, the dumb but technically impressive AI and its gameification aspects

SWAT 3 however had a very cool ranking system where you would get medals instead of a sorry little rank

And you would fail the campaign if your effectiveness dropped below a certain level

[stone bay]

For the atmosphere, SWAT 3 seemed rather idealistic and optimistic?

SWAT 4 is slightly more darker, but still idealistic.

[tacit gull]

Absolutely, SWAT 4 was a great middleground between realistic and hollywood B-movie

SWAT 3 was definetly full on movie where you're super good guys and you stop the bad guys who are going to nuke the entire united states

[stone bay]

A SWAT storyline would've been great. With the teammates that you bond with, and endings depending on how good your rating is.

[ivory kiln]

yeah all the criminals fight like fanatics

from gangbangers to people doing to pay their bills

[tacit gull]

Yup, and with commander mode that's pretty much a concept that's never going to be in the game

[stone bay]

Also the civvies are very incompliant.

[stone bay]

You think that the games tonal difference is due to the time setting?

[tacit gull]

I think it's from a bunch of factors, but i can safely say that RON's story and presentation is actively worse than SWAT 4's and that's really dissapointing to me

[stone bay]

Wow really?

[tacit gull]

Yeah, it seeks to deliver a very grounded story that falls flat on its face by how cartoonishly evil everyone is portrayed to be, a lot of the themes are poorly explored or shoved so hard in your face that it becomes fucking annoying, along with some really edgy, hard to believe writing

[dense quest]

Holy you insta convinced me to play swat 4 (I already wanted to anyway)

[tacit gull]

Please do, SWAT 4 is the reason i stuck with RON for so long and it's genuienly an amazing (although janky) game

[stone bay]

Edgy writing? Annoying? Cartoonishly evil and unbelievable writing?

[dense quest]

Most people played swat 4 before ready or not, I will give my perspective as the opposite

[tacit gull]

Take for example the evidence boxes for elephant, or how everybody in the game is constantly shown to abandon any shred of morality for money, or how people like Amos and Brixely are shown to have absolutely zero redeeming qualities about them

Or from the way the voice acting is directed, with everyone faking deep voices that sound awful

[stone bay]

It feels like it actually gives a reason to be brutal and harsh towards anyone there, instead of saving lives.

[tacit gull]

The game has one, ONE mission where you can actually care about the suspects and that one mission seems completely disconnected from the rest of the game

Honestly it feels like they just put it in the wrong game when they did

[stone stump]

wdym shoved?

[stone bay]

It's Gotham City logic, with any of the villains getting arrested and going away to kill people again and again. Then again, a lot of police media are like that. And also, it is truth in television.

[tacit gull]

Like the whole CP storyline where everyone needs to remind you what its about every single time, even the briefing says CP out loud even though it seems completely unprofessional to brief a SWAT team with such terms

[cold gyro]

Im missing cinematics before each mission. The Neon trailer from Void's Youtube would fit great and gives so much immersion

And there are old videos where you and you squad inside the swat track arriving and deploying into the mission

[stone stump]

doesn't look like much shoving tbh, you have to explore the time paradoxed lore on your own, and it's not even like it's worth it

[tacit gull]

Ahem, what i was gonna say is that Voll's mansion feels like parody from all of the ridiculous stuff packed in it

[glacial quest]

Bro i keep dying to traps on that one skyscrapper mission i legit dont see any traps on the doors and they still fucking explode

[tacit gull]

This especially "it's not worth it" is a great argument.
Why should i try to dig deeper for meaning if everything can already be taken at face value, the story tries to be really deep, but in reality it's about as deep as a puddle

[stone bay]

What about SWAT 4 though?

[earnest phoenix]

ends of the earth?

[tacit gull]

Yep

[earnest phoenix]

that briefing instantly convinced me to go non lethal

[tacit gull]

SWAT 4 has a bunch of amazingly crafted levels with suspects that have believable motives to be commiting the crimes they are, such as a level where farmers get guns and bombs and decide to raid the department of agriculture for taxing them unfairly. It's very apparent they're incompetent and poorly trained, yet they have equipment that makes them lethal

[earnest phoenix]

wish we got more mission like that instead of 200th one involving super ultra evil cp and human trafficking masterminds

[glacial quest]

why do doors on ides of march explode even tho theres no visible trap???

[stone bay]

I mean, CP and human traffickers deserve to be swatted anyway.

[tacit gull]

You also find that they've been served cheap shit explosives that go off, finding the building in ruins even before you get there and the farmers scattered and disoriented

[earnest phoenix]

yeah sure but more variety would be cool too

why does every mission (except for ends of the earth and the elephant) need to have some connection to the "story"? wish we would get more random, unconnected maps like those

[bitter mason]

Hard recommend, i played it before ron and the difference is night and day
Id recommend using the elite force mod (SEF) thought, basically vanilla+ giving you more flexibility in loadouts, fixing bugs and merging the expansion and vanilla campaigns into one stuff like that

[tacit gull]

Yeah definetly look into SEF as it's the definitive way to play it, It's creator was part of RON's development back in the day

[bitter mason]

Love how if they were in ron theyd be mega psychos with insane aim and ppl would justify it being like “well farmers shoot guns all the time so it would make sense”
Yes im strawmanning yes its fun to do that

[stone bay]

Do you play the game without music? I only leave it on for the intro, main menu and credits

[tacit gull]

The music in Ready or Not is amazing so yes

[bitter mason]

Music stays on cause thems some bangers

[earnest phoenix]

are there any mods for swat 4 to make it feel less dated? i tried getting into it but the gunplay especially feels really clunky and higher resolution messes up stuff

[tacit gull]

One thing i can't give SWAT 4 is the soundtrack, RON 100% wins cause of my boy zack

[stone bay]

Main trailer theme was what made me hooked to the game

[bitter mason]

Not gonna really get much in terms of gunplay stuff i think
But try SEF or first responders id say
I think the clunky gunplay is fine since youre not really meant to go around shooting everyone

[tacit gull]

Look up SWAT: Elite Force First Responders, it's about as close as you're gonna get. Gunplay does feel clunky but that's not really the point of the game, you're supposed to be taking people alive, guns are last resort

[bitter mason]

^

[dense quest]

Noted, cheers

[stone bay]

For the series, SWAT 4 is the only one that can work on windows 10 and 11?

[tacit gull]

You can get SWAT 3 running on windows 10 but it's a fucking headache and the HUD doesn't scale

SWAT 4 does run natively though, doesn't have 1920x1080 resolution but that's what SEF and .ini editing is for

[stone bay]

Don't think I have the time or patience to do that. So SWAT 4 it is

[bitter mason]

Swat 3 doesnt work well right out the gate youve gotta mod it some

[tacit gull]

SWAT 3 definetly has a lot of cool features that 4 doesn't, but it's WAYYYYY clunkier and maybe not even worth the hassle

[bitter mason]

I really liked swat 3 but its definitely showing its age with some things, the ai is impressive especially for its time but suspects are crazy fast

Feels like a 90s attempt at a simulator

[tacit gull]

Customisable reaction times be like

[bitter mason]

Honestly they did nothing for me

[stone bay]

The atmosphere felt very 90s no?

[tacit gull]

Even though that is pretty fucked up because no player would know what exactly to set it at, same issue with a difficulty setting but amplified 10x

[bitter mason]

Yea, lotsa the suspects are very 90s European terrorists

Like die hard but all Russians or american extremists

[tacit gull]

The SWAT equipment is also very weird and retro-futuristic but i guess it has its own charm to it

[bitter mason]

Which honestly i really dig

Has a lotta charm to it
And i quite like the voice acting for both the swat and suspects

[tacit gull]

Suspects can be hit or miss but the SWAT voice acting is honestly surprisingly good, ESPECIALLY for the 90's

[placid sluice]

Just curious, I had posted a bit back, perhaps a week or so about summoning the "cleanup crew" as a mod, and if there existed any simple mod that maybe assigns calling them in to a hotkey once all armed suspects/HVTs are secured

[bitter mason]

Id say honestly, first few levels feel like a 90s swat sim then the game becomes rainbow six

[placid sluice]

Was still wondering if that exists, as I know the cleanup crew actually does on some missions

[stone bay]

Compared to RoN?

[bitter mason]

I find any of the cheesy lines to be charming more than cringe, same cant be said for ron

[tacit gull]

No mod for it yet and probably not coming soon since no SDK, Trailers currently only show up in practice mode after you finished the main objectives

[placid sluice]

Looks like others have been asking the same thing since about November so I was just wondering

Ah, it is only in practice mode?

[tacit gull]

Honestly? Might be better than RON's

[stone bay]

I mean, SWAT 3 is a lot more monotone and calmer, and also dosen't show signs of fear at all

[tacit gull]

Because every other suspect doesn't put on an edgy deep voice

[stone bay]

Yeah, I guess we all grow up to know edgy dosen't always mean good

[tacit gull]

There are separate lines for quiet and dynamic approaches (as much as i dislike the feature)

[bitter mason]

One thing i like with swat 3 is the swat yells get more aggressive when a civilian doesnt comply
Itll start calm then gradually raise their voice

[tacit gull]

I never even noticed that holy shit

[bitter mason]

Yeah its just a small thing but i like it, not often civilians dont comply on swat 3 so its not easy to notice

[stone bay]

I say SWAT 3 and 4 is what the SWAT teams are supposed to be. Would be funny if they were used for training excersizes.

[bitter mason]

It goes
Calm, Raised voice then a full yell

[tacit gull]

Funny you should say that

[bitter mason]

I wouldnt be surprised if swat 3 or police quest swat was back in the day tbh

[tacit gull]

SWAT 4 was actually used for training of some Canadian Anti-Terrorism unit back in the day i think

[bitter mason]

Crazy

[tacit gull]

Not exactly police but hey

[stone bay]

Wonder what RoN is in comparison to SWAT 3 and 4 then.

[earnest phoenix]

arcade shooter

[tacit gull]

It pains me to say this but i think right now it's a cheap imitation that fails to understand what made those games work

[stone bay]

Does the game paint police in a positive or lesser light?

[bitter mason]

Yeah it’s definitely trying to be swat 4 but hasnt really understood what made that game what it is

[stone stump]

wdym, you can't just pew pew everyone?

[stone stump]

neither

[placid sluice]

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 1998 was the original, SOCOM US Navy SEALs on PS2 followed up with a special microphone that came with the game and had language recognition in-built

I'd say SWAT did far less for these types of games than those 2

And RoN is more like those 2

[tacit gull]

It surprisingly remains pretty neutral in my eyes, despite all of the missed notes i think it does this fine

[stone bay]

SWAT 3 and 4 however?

[bitter mason]

They i think stuck to “environmental storytelling” i bit too much
Swat 4s just made the world feel lived in
Rons does too but i think some maps they took it too literally by having sticky notes around basically lore dumping

[tacit gull]

SWAT 3 is just police fantasy and 4 is slightly on the cops' side

[stone bay]

Also, no music could mean more atmospheric and tense. Only put in music for intro, main menu and credits since they don't need any tension then.

[bitter mason]

Music can do a lot to improve atmosphere
Thats something swat 4 nails

[amber hearth]

i think i tried almost every weapon/attachment mod available in nexus

[tacit gull]

SWAT 3's music is pretty hit or miss, SWAT 4's is greatly atmospheric and the combat tracks actually play correctly

[amber hearth]

feel free to ask me if specific mod works in current state(hotfix3)

[tacit gull]

RON's music is top tier, however the tracks still don't seem to trigger correctly sometimes

[stone bay]

For me, I only put in when the tension has gone away. Like a reprieve that says you can relax now. I see music differently.

[bitter mason]

Yeah rons are great but either dont seem to play when theyre meant to or play too late in the level

[tacit gull]

I had streamer's track just get stuck on the build up the other day, it was so fucking awkward

[bitter mason]

Music in swat 4 was split into stealth and action
Stealth is generally calmer or there to build tension, action is very fast usually and triggers when a gun is fired or grenade goes off

[sleek fable]

Pretty sure the music cues don't function properly currently. It also heavily depends on how long you take in certain areas and how long you are in combat. That being said, especially Greased Palms OST is a freaking banger.

[bitter mason]

Ron seems to try a more dynamic one that changes with both gameplay and map location but seems to be broken

[tacit gull]

Oh yeah dude that reprieve track in the middle of the conveyer belts after combat is KINO

[stone bay]

Anyway, the game can be so tense you forget that there is music. So let the sounds do the atmospheric work.

[sleek fable]

I also do like what they did with Rust Belt and Port. Just wish Port combat would be a bit more prominent, like the old Port OST.

[tacit gull]

IMO RON's tracks definetly add to the feeling that you're a walking tank, with very slow, methodical tracks even during combat

[tacit gull]

What the fuck happened to my PORT DRUMS?!?!!

[sleek fable]

Exactly.

[bitter mason]

Rust belts is great but the actual meat of the music only starts at the end of the tunnels, which by that point youve probably already cleared which sucks

And combat tracks seem to trigger too late

[tacit gull]

Yeah i don't know what the fuck happens there, that guitar is gorgeous

[sleek fable]

It's also a reprise of the Greased Palms OST, which makes sense.

[placid sluice]

Anyone have a solid host-stable increase-enemies mod that's working rn?

[tacit gull]

Look on the Updated mods page on nexus

[bitter mason]

Amount of times i get shot at and the suspect retreats to take cover somewhere out of sight then after theyve ran off the music decides to kick in

[placid sluice]

I have been, I was hoping a sensei here knew wiser

[tacit gull]

Yeah music kicks in way too late in a lot of cases and since suspects can't be asked to seek cover and engage you smartly the combat encounters usually end before the music adds anything

[bitter mason]

A real shame really

[tacit gull]

I swear it used to work way better in the past, i remember penthouse's track kicking in as i was slowly trekking my way down the hallway with a suspect firing on us

[sleek fable]

Also like how an entire combat track just disappeared from Park Homes.

[tacit gull]

I think either house had their own soundtrack right?

[sleek fable]

Also I am a tad disappointed by the fact there's no proper Hotel soundtrack anymore. I exclude the ambient noises and music.

[dense quest]

@tacit gull @bitter mason are there also mods that enhance swat 4 visuals btw?

[lone pelican]

I like it better that way

More serious

[tacit gull]

Reshade is your best bet but finding a good preset is probably not worth the hassle

[bitter mason]

I quite like the ambient music on hotel
But it doesnt really have combat music does it? I dont remember it

[sleek fable]

Something like that. I think during the first encounters it played one of the tracks and then during later combat encounters it played the second one.

[sleek fable]

No, it doesn't.

[tacit gull]

No combat music on Sins no

[dense quest]

I'm not picky about graphics but just anything that makes it a little less 2005-y

[bitter mason]

Not that i know of, base graphics do fine for the most part i think

[tacit gull]

The old track with the clock ticking in the back was so nice, i felt so smart when i heard it

[sleek fable]

I see the point. I do like the distorted US anthem playing in that one room and reverbing through the surrounding hallways.

[dense quest]

tbh my favorite thing in ready or not is easily the gunplay

[lone pelican]

As long as it isn’t stuttering like hell

[bitter mason]

What levels do and dont have music cause some for the life of me i cant remember if there are tracks for them
But thats usually ones ive not played much of

[dense quest]

I played a lot of shooters and none were as satisfying to me personally

[sleek fable]

Missions that don't either a dedicated OST are Sins and Elephant

[lone pelican]

What

[sleek fable]

all others do have dedicated OST

[bitter mason]

Oh mb typed that wrong lol

[lone pelican]

When OST release?!?!

[bitter mason]

I dont remember relapses.. tho i havent played that level much

[tacit gull]

WHERE VINYL ZACK

[dense quest]

I remember I was blown away when playing 23mb/s when I heard the soundtrack slapping to the beat of the server noises

[sleek fable]

I have been thinking once they fix the game proper and focus on potential DLCs. If they do one set in Central or South America, I can imagine how great the music would be. Imagine the OST for a Mexican or Brazilian department lol

[lone pelican]

I doubt they leave los suenos

[tacit gull]

Relapse has a very quiet track styled after the suspects being syrian, so arabic much like club's track

[bitter mason]

Ah i might remember it a bit now yea

Ive only played relapse like twice, not my favourite level

[sleek fable]

What makes you think it's specifically Syrian?

[tacit gull]

Zack seems particularly good at handling cartel tracks lmao

[sleek fable]

Well, they specifically said they would.

[lone pelican]

Maybe

[bitter mason]

I certainly hope they do more rural/boarder levels

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure the briefing states they're a terrorist cell that's respoding to bombings in syria

[sleek fable]

Yemen.

They are supposed to be Yemenites

[tacit gull]

Oh my bad i'm stupid

[bitter mason]

Yeah man

[sleek fable]

Not even maybe. They have always said that when talking about potential future DLC.

If they do stick to the US, they might just go for a fictional east coast definitely not NYC city.

[tacit gull]

There's a lot of shit that fell through though, so that might not even happen.
Who remembers the MLO pack promised to early standard edition owners?

[bitter mason]

I think theyll just stick to ls and do locations there

[dense quest]

even for the terrorist group they could've pulled off something in the lore that made you feel bad for what they went through like teenagers who lost their families from being bombed by western powers and decided to get "revenge" but yeah ready or not is pretty flat on the lore like desmond said

[lone pelican]

[dense quest]

it's just many evil people to shoot

except ends of the earth

that one insta made me go non-lethal for the first time

[bitter mason]

I had an idea for a suspect on neon to be a college student that was manipulated into the group because he was angry over the bombings, but shat himself when it came to actually executing the plan so he has the lowest morale of them all, and his roommate tipped off the cops about his involvement or something

[tacit gull]

Legit, just shows how much of a difference humanizing your suspects makes

[bitter mason]

The hand should be a mix of stubborn and less stubborn guys really

[tacit gull]

Ignoring the fact the teenagers are literally the same AI as in all the other maps, where they happily light up their parents' home when they see a pixel of swat

Also walking around with guns in hand at all times

[sleek fable]

ah well. Void does kinda miss the tone sometimes

[tacit gull]

Most times

[amber hearth]

why do some of the hands memeber surrender anyway

for what lmao

[sleek fable]

Just look at the majority of the CP mission line

[amber hearth]

oh nvm if they're able to pull that thing in the hospital they can do it in the prison i guess

[tacit gull]

[amber hearth]

re-relapse mission confirmed

[sleek fable]

It's more humorous/cringe how over the top evil and powerful Voll and his likes are portrayed

I have said before, this entire thing would have been so much more powerful and horrifying if the guy behind the CP ring was some random dude. Like a school teacher or PE coach.

[tacit gull]

His security guards have no reason to go "Be a good boy and die!" Like WHAT

WHO SAYS THAT

[sleek fable]

Bolton Security guards apparently

[dense quest]

yeah stuff like that would make the game hit so much harder

[amber hearth]

kinda people boasting about being a vet in front of SWAT team

[sleek fable]

I'd say the drug trafficking mission line is pretty good in tone

[bitter mason]

I had a guard on health house shoot through a civilian at me
Like bro nice body guard you are

[sleek fable]

the "disgruntled vets" line is very over the top but still okay-ish

[tacit gull]

The actual vets are somehow more respectful LMAO
But of course they need to go on about how we're sheeep 💀

[sleek fable]

the human trafficking line is again a bit weird tbh.

[sleek fable]

The sheep thing I do actually like. They'd be the kinda people, who would say BS like that.

[tacit gull]

Well maybe

[sleek fable]

also the schizo house in the woods is a bit cringe tbh

[bitter mason]

Human trafficking one is kinda out of nowhere since it starts as gun trade busting and you kinda get hints to it
And while the container on port is a cool moment
It's the only moment like it which makes it feel out of place to the rest of the games "bagging it up" lines

[sleek fable]

(though nothing beats the basement in Voll with how over the top things are)

[tacit gull]

The cult is definetly some of the worst of it, i can feel my ears getting cut during the 911 call from all of the edge

[bitter mason]

I like the premise of the cult but that 911 call...

[sleek fable]

Well Port is linked to Dealership. I am having a hard time figuring out what else is connected in which order.

[bitter mason]

Ends of the earth and maybe postal

[sleek fable]

Same, the premise is pretty unique.

[amber hearth]

why not everything is connected

[tacit gull]

They had the chance to make them likable since they're vigilantes but they're so insufferable through direction that they're not even worth looking at

[sleek fable]

Postal is connected to Rust Belt and Park Homes.

[barren lagoon]

I swear I watched a ron timeline video before

[bitter mason]

It's a good setup for sympathetic suspects
But of course that doesn't merge well with the ai

[amber hearth]

we need an airport mission

[bitter mason]

Yeah
I think some might interconnect a bit cause there is gun smuggling on postal

[sleek fable]

Farm is connected to the disgruntled vet line btw. The leader of the cult Raskin is connected to the notCIA™️ people.

USIA?

Same as the wood schizo.

[bitter mason]

IAA and the FIB

[barren lagoon]

Judge is actually usia sleeper agent in the lspd

[tacit gull]

The Locos are at the postal place raiding it, that's what leads you to raiding their little mine on rust belt

[bitter mason]

Yeah ik

[amber hearth]

we need an airport mission. against terrorist? nah we gonna catch some senator's personal jet spraying chemtrail. yeah he is behind voll, the hand, the meth people and everyone else

[sleek fable]

Judge is gonna blow Alvarez's head open once nobody is looking

you then take over as the generic police officers having to get Judge at his house

[tacit gull]

I am kind of sad you dont find refugees in the mines on RB, wonder why they didnt do that

[amber hearth]

If terry was still alive we couldve hired him as a story writter smh

RIP terry

[tacit gull]

who's terry

[amber hearth]

terry davis the developer of templeos

[tacit gull]

oh

[bitter mason]

Williams, Brixely, Voll...
All must die

[amber hearth]

fits the vibe of RoN

[barren lagoon]

Huh i swear there were

[tacit gull]

Only like 3 civs on the surface, tunnels are exclusively suspects

[bitter mason]

The refugees only seem to spawn outside or in the house

[amber hearth]

i saw one refugee like a few meter behind the door to the tunnel but that's the farthest

[tacit gull]

Must've roamed there maybe

[amber hearth]

probably spawned in the house and ran away

[sleek fable]

Yup, that's it. They are outside or in the houses. Never in the tunnels.

[bitter mason]

I think rust belt would be 10x better if the music played at a better area and the side tunnels were pitch black

[amber hearth]

yeah if ur using gunfighter or sniperornot mod just throw frag

[bright vault]

is there any reason why my traps are invisible and the ai dont cut the wire

[bitter mason]

Though rust belt is already a good level

[tacit gull]

Yeah rust belt is genuienly nice, shame it launched dysfunctional

[amber hearth]

why is it even called rust belt. are those refugees heading to michigan

whats wrong with los suenos

[tacit gull]

Also we have so much desert camo in the game and its for one level 💀

[bitter mason]

Also man they gotta optimise that lake area in the tunnel

[sleek fable]

Not sure why they renamed it from Coyote. I thought Coyote was a good name.

[bitter mason]

I bet all them rocks are like a billion polygons or something

[amber hearth]

at least there's no balloons in coyote

[bitter mason]

Ron maps have like 3 different names each most of the time lol

[tacit gull]

My computer is dazed and confused on valley

[bitter mason]

Some of the unlock descriptions have the alternate names for levels

[barren lagoon]

What is the best 5.56 gun now?

[amber hearth]

f90

[tacit gull]

F90 probs

[sleek fable]

Yes, actually. One name as the actual "name" of the mission and then another which mostly describes the location.

[bitter mason]

Like calling twisted nerve "meth"
And I'm pretty sure they still call rust belt coyote

[sleek fable]

Greased Palms/Postal Office, Twisted Nerve/Park Homes, etc.

[barren lagoon]

I’ve never heard anyone say twisted nerve it’s always been meth

[tacit gull]

she be twistin on my nerve

[umbral oar]

Importer

[bitter mason]

Twisted nerve, park homes, meth
Greased Palms, postal, importer

Or is importer port

Idk man

[tacit gull]

Hide and Seek, Port Hokan/Hoken/Hogan(?), Port

[sleek fable]

Hokan

[amber hearth]

ides of march should get a new name "bet you can't refund it now"

[bitter mason]

Hulk hokan

[umbral oar]

Penthouse!!

[bitter mason]

"Casual filter"

[tacit gull]

Every new update it kept changing names for whatever reason lmao

[crude prism]

"Boss Fight 1"

[amber hearth]

and postal into idk "google en passant" or somethin

[umbral oar]

honestly confused on whether its hokan or hoken

[bitter mason]

Fr tho ides of march has no reason to be that early in the game

[amber hearth]

hokan

[crude prism]

It's only like 7-9 dudes. It's literally just a wedge + "hey idiot you make noise running around" tutorial

[sleek fable]

I like how people said it's in order of the story. When it clearly isn't. It also clearly isn't in order of difficulty.

So in other words: There is no order to the missions.

[tacit gull]

Untill the M249 guy wakes up and your squad gets deleted through the balcony

[vestal mauve]

Solution: Git gud

[bitter mason]

Atleast before they changed ai it was not that simple
They're just super aggressive and will notice any small noise

[bitter mason]

Me when data centre should come first then the spider

[crude prism]

He just got war flashbacks okay, he's just a scared little guy, a bit of PTSD, he needs help!!!

[sleek fable]

Right.

[tacit gull]

🥺 i'm just a powr lil veteran plis don hurt me im so weak i lost my leg in the war 👉 👈

[crude prism]

Honestly, 23 MB/s has no right throwing players into the garbage layout of the streamers apartment on the second mission

[umbral oar]

sharla’s photo sends me every time i look at it

[amber hearth]

"we need a medic down here"

but there's no medic...?

[bitter mason]

Should be the first mission but remove like, all the suspects

[amber hearth]

guys got like... proper machine gun

[tacit gull]

streamer players when they find the staircase tucked away in the corner at the start of the map realising they have god mode

[amber hearth]

but not medic

[crude prism]

It would probably be way better if there was like 3 suspects total + streamer, and they basically only had handguns and didn't start with them drawn

2 guys + civs in the server mining area, 1 suspect + streamer in the main apartment

[amber hearth]

or de-escalade the situation through dialogue tree. like dating sim game style

[bitter mason]

Yeah at most 2 or 3 suspects that can spawn either unarmed or have a pistol, the rest of the level should be civilians some more compliant than others

[tacit gull]

Romance theme remake when zack

[crude prism]

DID YOU SAY 10 SUSPECTS WITH SMGs AND SHOTGUNS?

[bitter mason]

Don't forget the aks

[tacit gull]

I think you misspelled AK

[crude prism]

YEP

[bitter mason]

No guys it's totally realistic who else is gonna guard his bitcoin mine

[crude prism]

It's not even the shitty AK (aks74u) that's just a makarov clone, it's one of the big ones XD

[tacit gull]

just give them the APS and 80 round mags

[crude prism]

glocky wit da switch and cmags?

[bitter mason]

Average streamer house

Let's not forget they can actually take the dudes mum hostage

[tacit gull]

gangster suspects with idiot switches that shoot everything but you would be hilarious

[crude prism]

If you get bad enough rng you can actually get 4/5 of the guys on Gas Station to have Calicos out, which is fucking absurd

[frozen beacon]

is it possible to use tazer and shield? I cant get my guy to draw the tazer when the shield is up

[bitter mason]

Nop

[tacit gull]

Alternate reality 🤓