👮ron-discussion

[astral warren]

Yeah, I was seeing that. Why even bother?

Oh yeah, people surrender real quick when you blow their friend's head off with a 12 gauge.

[loud whale]

I'm not longer rushing to arrest a suspect for fear of them hiding their 12th glock 17 in their underwear

[crude prism]

A health increase of literally 1 point will throw off the instant-kills of the SA-58 and .357 AP ammo types.

[bright valley]

It's Payday 2 "breakpoints" all over again

[uncut nacelle]

got jumpscared today like that, man ran away outside, i was chasing him cuz it was last suspect, peaking a corner outside of the house, my man just scared me like crazy, aiming at me while i peaked the corner, mans was right next to me. (Ens of the Earth)

[astral warren]

So it just makes those weapons that are meant to be hard hitting and hard to control pointless to take on certain maps, the ones you would be most inclined to take them to, usually?

[crude prism]

yeh, it's to subtly troll the player and get them to test out different gear

[loud whale]

Also I've only played through and completed it once so far, but damn Cheryssa(?) Farms has CHANGED

[honest owl]

Wish they kept the night version of cheryssa, now NVGs have literally zero fucking use

[loud whale]

I only took NVG's to Coyote and Port Hokan

[honest owl]

No reason to bring NVGs over a flashlight anymore

[loud whale]

Didn't need them in Port in the end

[honest owl]

^

Don't even need em at the start

[uncut nacelle]

never used nvgs in port

[loud whale]

Still prefer pre-1.0 Port Hokan

[uncut nacelle]

• without flashlight

[bright valley]

Might help if the suspect health was fuzzed a little bit by RNG so it'd be more like "it takes about 2, sometimes 3 shots to down this guy" rather than letting you literally count down the bullets to incapacitation.

[honest owl]

If we want to call a specific peice of equipment useless, it would be the NVGs, they have zero use cases.

[bright valley]

But maybe not, idk.

[uncut nacelle]

v1 writing a poem rn

[loud whale]

I took LVAR to Port to be stealthy..went to shit 2 enemies in

[astral warren]

All that it does is let me know the SA-58 is a meme, which I kind of already suspected, because I noticed it usually didn't drop people in 1 shot on the maps it felt appropriate to use on. When I used it on gas, it still didn't feel right, but I think that's because the devs know you'll use the first map as a litmus. I used it on ends of the earth and it actually felt like a 7.62x51 rifle.

[kindred temple]

gah damn!!!

[crude prism]

Before 1.0, you could still get 1-hit incaps on every map except for Sullivan's with the SA-58/.357 as long as you hit an arm + torso, but with the new damage reduction on penetrations, that won't happen (most of the time) as hitting arms will reduce damage output drastically

[astral warren]

Perhaps flesh pen should be a separate damage reduction from material pen.

[loud whale]

Also, in Port does anything happen if you DON'T close that one container that the FSIA shouts at you about?

[astral warren]

So that way bullets go through people, especially the ones that are designed to.

[astral warren]

can't S

[loud whale]

Ah ok, thought there might be hidden dialogue or something with the agent getting pissed at you

[uncut nacelle]

i wonder can u shoot em peeps (experiment reason)

[river lodge]

💀

[kindred temple]

damn!!

[bright valley]

7.62 and .357 feel so bad on the maps where they don't one-shot. All that extra kick and reduced ammo capacity and for what

[kindred temple]

would be cool

[crude prism]

That would unfortunately require a rework of systems, so idk if we'll see it anytime soon

[uncut nacelle]

wuh, fisa may killed em mfs

[bright valley]

Rework a core system and you risk it ending up broken for a long while

[astral warren]

So is there a flat damage reduction for penetration, or was just the minimum amount of damage reduction increased?

[crude prism]

There was effectively 0 damage reduction before 1.0 on penetrating hits. They just continued until they ran out of pen power and then stopped. Dealing full damage with each new hit along the way

[stone bay]

guys when you clear rooms do you order ai to clear it for you or do you just walk in with them following your "file in" command

i feel like the game is to easy if i just tell them to clear the rooms themselves

[bright valley]

Depends on the room.

[stone bay]

but even if i tell them to wait for me to clear first, then it still feels too "fast"

[bright valley]

Some situations the AI SWAT will shit the bed.

They're dogmatic to a fault, basically.

[crude prism]

Damage is calculated linearly based on penetration power remaining.

Example: an AP type bullet has 100 base damage and 500 penetration power.

First it hits a suspects arm, so we take 100 base damage and multiply by 0.3 for the arm hit and at full penetration power of 500/500, there is no damage loss. So 1.0.
100 * 0.3 * 1.0 = 30. So they take 30 damage.

Then we see if the bullet has enough penetration to continue, in this example say the arm at this angle has "250 resistance" so the penetration power will be lowered by 250.

The bullet then hits the bare torso. We take the remaining penetration power out of the maximum pen power. 250 out of 500, and return 50%.
The bullet then deals 100 dmg X the torso multiplier of 1, X the remaining pen power at 0.5 (50%)

100 * 1 * 0.5 = 50 damage dealt to the torso

Sorry about that btw, there's no easy way to explain it

XD

[astral warren]

No that's fine.

So effectively, in that example, the final damage is comparable to a torso shot w/o limb penetration?

At least with AP rounds.

[crude prism]

Pretty much

With JHP rounds, you can lose an absurd amount of damage hitting arms. But for most JHP rounds this doesn't matter, because they get a significantly higher limb multiplier of 0.7 instead of 0.3

But there are several JHP ammo types that DO NOT receive the 0.7 multiplier

[astral warren]

huh

[crude prism]

4.6x30, 5.7x28 and 7.62x51 JHP all do NOT receive the 0.7 multiplier, instead keeping the 0.3 of AP rounds

[astral warren]

What is this spreadsheet tycoon simulator bullshit?

Just pick a thing.

[crude prism]

Now you see why I made the spreadsheet

[foggy zinc]

lol

[crude prism]

Also, with the newest patch, headshot multipliers are back. Literally every single weapon that players have access to in vanilla has a 3x headshot multiplier...

With a single exception. 7.62x51 AP has a 2x multiplier

[bright valley]

Some weirdly complicated approaches to producing simplistic results in this game's mechanics.

[foggy zinc]

also is 300BLK OTM/JHP worth using over 5.56? based off the ammo spreadsheet it'll work better against higher tier armor while being just more powerful overall

[astral warren]

I would argue that 7.62x51 would hurt MORE to the head than other rounds, but sure.

[honest owl]

I was about to say, I feel like there is a far simpler method to calculating pen damage..

[astral warren]

300blk is generally better than 5.56, but I imagine 300blk has pretty bad damage fall off compared to 5.56. 5.56 tends to be more controllable, however.

Just don't use JHP 300blk vs lv4 armour or you'll have a bad time.

[foggy zinc]

what level even has lv4 armour?

[crude prism]

Rifle max-damage range extends out to 60m, so you'll effectively never experience it

[astral warren]

Elephant they all have it. Sins of father some do, I think.

[bright valley]

I'm of the opinion that any factors that can't be reliably controlled and predicted in the heat of the moment are "functionally random" as far as the player is concerned.

[foggy zinc]

elephant? I never realized that lol

[astral warren]

why does a subsonic round have the same damage fall off properties as a supersonic round??? my head hurts.

[honest owl]

Ironically sins is the one of the levels where the suspects don't appear to be wearing armor\

[native rune]

Because video game

[foggy zinc]

maybe cuz i full autoed them every time

[crude prism]

Idk if we're even shooting subs out of the .300blk rifles

Considering everything is hitscan it doesn't matter much lul

[astral warren]

I noticed this game is definitely hitscan when I was using a UMP45 on port and hitting people I was aiming at without leading.

I was fairly certain it was.

[crude prism]

Everything is hitscan... buuuuuuut there are a few exceptions as well: 40mm launchers, pepperball, beanbag

[foggy zinc]

is buckshot hitscan then?

[crude prism]

yeh

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

[vestal mauve]

You don't need realistic ballistic movements when every gunfight takes place at less then 20m tbh

[foggy zinc]

true

[crude prism]

They already have the systems in place for every other weapon to NOT be hitscan, I just don't know why they would bother

Seems like more trouble for little/no benefit to change the system to actual ballistics at this point

[foggy zinc]

also of all the 300blk guns, is the LVAR still the best of the bunch , or should i try using the other 2

[crude prism]

All 3 are competitive

I'd try em out 🙂

[foggy zinc]

pick one for me to try, ive been using the LVAR all day

[crude prism]

use the ARN

unless you wanna stare at another MCX lul

[foggy zinc]

ngl the MCX MCX is just annoying because keymod rail

[astral warren]

ARN is noice. SMG packaging with big shooty damage.

[foggy zinc]

it sounds cool unsupressed but the reload is also very slow

[ivory kiln]

i wanna know who uses an smg

[foggy zinc]

Swat '99 cosplayers

the only real smg people are ones running an MP5A2 with irons and a light, with maybe light armour

[astral warren]

SMGs are just terribad.

It doesn't help that they bounce the most from arm injuries for some dumb ass reason.

The only one that's usable is the 10mm MP5 imo.

Actually, P90 and MP7 are fine.

Lots of bullets, and they work pretty good.

But 10mm MP5 is my favourite just for funny fed smg.

[bright valley]

You'd think it'd be the stronger weapons that are harder to control with injured arms, but nah, fuck you for using 9mm in your primary lol

[astral warren]

Right?

Devs just don't want people to use SMGs, I guess 😔

[foggy zinc]

one thing i must say is when they add another weapon in, please add in a shotgun or sumn

[astral warren]

KS-23 when?

lol

[foggy zinc]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/1762

[astral warren]

😳

[foggy zinc]

[astral warren]

I appreciate someone added artillery to the game.

reskin
0/10, won't actually sail through 4 walls and kill 2 civilians and a suspect.

[bright valley]

I'm mostly interested in new weapons if they can fit a new niche/archetype we don't already have.

[astral warren]

Don't add new weapons make the existing ones all useful to a degree.

[foggy zinc]

just use that one ammo pak mod to give weapons 50 BMG or sumn

instantly useful amirite

[bright valley]

I mean, sure.

[astral warren]

I think the guns could be a lot more nuanced if muzzle velocity played a factor in penetration and damage.

[foggy zinc]

i just want more things that go pew pew

[foggy zinc]

and ||female operators ofc||

[astral warren]

I am aware that would be something of a task.

But tell me it wouldn't make the guns feel a lot more different?

F90 instantly becomes the designated hostage killer.

[crude prism]

If we delve into giving weapons different damage, you'll probably end up with a hard stuck meta instead of "these are all useful, find what you like"

Weapons used to be assigned their own damage values back before the ammo standardizations, and it just made things wildly inconsistent

[astral warren]

Setting arbitrary values for damage would be bad, of course.

I would expect 2 rifles of the same length barrel output the same damage.

[hexed granite]

mod moment 🗿

[astral warren]

But I also wouldn't expect 9mm's damage to fall off so sharply from a submachine gun with a longer barrel.

[foggy zinc]

the female VO mods make me cringe sometimes which is the problem, unless i'm just finding the bad ones/have bad taste

[astral warren]

I think 9mm just needs a damage falloff buff, honestly. 9mm weapons feel too inconsistent to use reliably, especially when some suspects have invisible armour, and especially when they're far away.

[hexed granite]

there were a couple i had in mind, but i mixed and matched certain lines

[uneven kraken]

That'd be sick!

[crude prism]

2 meters is more than enough! We can always go lower

[uncut nacelle]

NO

[foggy zinc]

2 meters of penetration with 9mm?

[crude prism]

2 meters before it starts losing damage with range-falloff

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

realism to the max amirite

[ivory kiln]

yall got any modded maps compatible with this update?

[hexed granite]

wait, are all non-hotfix 3 maps bricked?

[ivory kiln]

yeh

[foggy zinc]

believe so if the voices in my head aren't popping off

[hexed granite]

thatd be so scuffed

lemme try

[dense ravine]

is there any way to get a stable framrate

[uneven kraken]

The ones I know of use R6s as clips I think...
I dunno, I think proper implantation with a nice voice actor would be cool! Isn't a deal breaker for me at all, but It'd be some nice inclusion ^_^

[foggy zinc]

cap your frames if you ltierally want it to be stable, otherwise it's down to your specs and settings

afaik, this game has wonky FPS stuttering on higher end hardware tho

[dense ravine]

I’ve got a 1660ti and have fps stuttering, most of the time I’ll have between 40-60 and then it’ll drop down to 15

[oak copper]

When pvp?

[hexed granite]

prehotfix 3 maps work

[wet talon]

what are the best mods?

[spare scaffold]

I get stuttering and I have the best money can buy right now. 7950x and a 4090 lol

[round frigate]

guys any tips on S-ranking Relapse? I've got 3 runs ruined and getting A+ cuz of random suspect end-gaming himself in separate room

[hexed granite]

splitting up your team to maximize time efficiency and space coverage. being VERY liberal with gas

thats how i did it, but with a map as big as that. if ur not fast enough, it gets pretty luck based quickly

[foggy zinc]

samw with me, but i feel like its gotten better/hasn't happened yet since the latest update

[foggy zinc]

am runing a 1070ti

[wet talon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3664
valid?

[hexed granite]

sure go ahead 🤷‍♂️

[crude prism]

If you can, try using less grenades/C2, as using them on every room or stacking multiple per room can raise stress pretty drastically for those nearby

[hexed granite]

does gas and ram count as a dip in morale? i havent really checked.

[foggy zinc]

ngl if i heard CS gas and a battering ram going off i'd be scared

[round frigate]

ehh might be a CS gas then, I will try doing the map without it...

i used like 3 grenades across whole map, not in a single place but idk

[crude prism]

The ram only impacts morale, coughing caused by gas is what makes the stress, not the gas itself

(according to Void lul)

[hexed granite]

makes sense, then speed really would make the difference, pepperball makes a cough and the beanbag makes a boom

[uncut nacelle]

is it possible to get The Hanged Man achievement in co op, i did way out west solo, so i dunno

[bright valley]

Their own coughing or just other people coughing nearby? Because if it's the latter that's hilarious.

"If I hear one more coughing fit from Joe during my shift I swear to God I'm going to fucking shoot someone."

[earnest comet]

If you have a suppressor on a rifle and install a mod that turns that rifle into a shotgun it has zero spread on the buckshot

No one should have this kind of power

[hexed granite]

"someone, even including me"

[ivory kiln]

just s ranked brisa cove first try

[round frigate]

ok, so if them hearing someone coughing increases stress to the point they are doing boom into their head, does flashbangs work the same?

i guess i will just try to do it without any grenades or smth, its so stupid

[hexed granite]

ah yes, i too would refuse to be taken alive into the american prison system, a fate worse than death

[round frigate]

is there a list somewhere on what increases stress?

[plucky sage]

Wait, so suspects can deliberately kill themselves when there's too much action around them?

Or do they just get more aggressive?

[muted star]

ye, but not on every map

[uncut nacelle]

i saw a suicidal mf in the spider

[deep rain]

In the customization options, what does the little icon with the number in the lower right corner of the item mean?

The icon looks like 3 glas plates in a row behind each other and there is a number in front of it.

[uncut nacelle]

never seen that

[earnest comet]

Different colors/patterns

[hexed granite]

take a photo

[deep rain]

I put it in media

ahhhh

[hexed granite]

oh, its the amount of customization option u have. @earnest comet was right

[deep rain]

it means there are variants of it in the sub selection. Got it. thx

[earnest comet]

That means there’s different colors or styles. The number next to it is how many different colors or styles there are

[foggy zinc]

officers what do ya'll get at the coffee machine before your mission(s)?

[hexed granite]

coffee machine dont give u speed no more (deathwish coffee)

[honest owl]

Guys you can still go through the wall at the top of the exit staircase in the Elephant mission lol.

[shadow fern]

regular coffee, also i liked how they added teh sound effects back again

[deep rain]

wheres that coffee machine

[crude prism]

My understanding is that hearing other people coughing is what raises stress. So in theory you could have two people coughing together and stressing eachother out lul

[crude prism]

Not a super clear one, but you can look at this to get a general idea. Open up the "suspect perception" tab

https://ron.recursiveprojects.cloud/AI_Mod

[oblique sail]

it stutters a lot less than it has. also you can use the control (game) "fix" to eliminate stuttering further, or using DX11 with some command lines to remove it completely. i don't have any stuttering on linux however, it's a windows only thing for now. new patch has been great for both systems. i tested both, and the fix, and the dx11 fix and all of them work, you just have to restart your pc

[bright valley]

It kind of seems like action in general will unavoidably increase stress, so while you can open up with a lot of control, you just have to expect the mission to get progressively more chaotic as it goes on. Maybe that's the point.

[oblique sail]

also disable self shadowing that is the new option, it eats VRAM and FPS like crazy for some reason. sure it looks good in some scenes, but better stable than not IMO, replays also off

[crude prism]

Basically yeah. But you can minimize stress by being sparing with gunshots and explosives when possible

(another reason that SMGs are kinda terrible)

[bright valley]

Would probably be a good idea if gunshot stress was scaled by caliber.

[honest owl]

This game is already so fucking CPU intensive...

[oblique sail]

how so? it's only like 40% of my CPU and all i have is a ryzen5600x when playing the game

that's with the OS

[honest owl]

I mean maybe it's just my PC but RoN struggles to load everything in quickly enough, sometimes if I turn a corner too quickly I can see what the game isn't loading..

[foggy zinc]

@crude prism sitrep on the ARN, it's pretty ight, but i've realized now that i can't wallbang at all with OTM/JHP lmao. Not sure if i should just swap back to 300blk AP or just avoid walls at this point.

[honest owl]

I have never had this issue in any other game which is why I say RoN just eats CPU

[crude prism]

Imo the chance that wallbanging will effect you negatively in any way is basically 0.

I use AP in pretty much everything unless I'm specifically running SMGs on maps where they won't penetrate suspect armor at all

[foggy zinc]

should i just swap off 300 JHP and use AP forever then

not sure if the damage increase is even worth, from my runs i haven't noticed anything anyways

[charred granite]

I found a secret room in the headquarters

[crude prism]

🤷 JHP is for limb munching and reducing collateral damage, AP is for torso hits and effective wallbanging

[foggy zinc]

ima just go test AP rounds again and see what i think thanks for the tips boss

[brittle swan]

i cant be bothered switching away from ap ngl

[foggy zinc]

it just works

also does that ammo config mod thing change damage and penetration for a weapon when its applied, or is it purely cosmetic?

[brittle swan]

idk check the modpage

[tired kestrel]

caramelldansen>>>

[pseudo scaffold]

Anybody knows a good way to eliminate stuttering? I've tried locking FPS but it doesn't completly stop it

[tired kestrel]

its a problem in ready or not the optimisation is garbage

[pseudo scaffold]

I figured

[tired kestrel]

theres frequent fps drops in certain missions

especially in relapse ive noticed

[pseudo scaffold]

It did help slightly but did not stop it entierly

[tired kestrel]

we just need to wait for another hotfix

[pseudo scaffold]

another hotfix? yessir!

[tired kestrel]

next hotfix will most likely fix that issue

(i hope)

[pseudo scaffold]

3rd fix already has fixed most stuff, so 4th one probably will fix it entierly

[tired kestrel]

i think so too

[pseudo scaffold]

or it will just show me that my specs are ASS

hopefully i'll get new CPU on my b-day

[tired kestrel]

its a problem in ready or nots side, even a nasa computer cant play relapse without getting lagspikes

[pseudo scaffold]

only one way to test it

[tired kestrel]

fr

only problem this game has rn is optimisation imo

[oblique sail]

as long as there is no shader compilation you are out of luck, there are a few fixes. one for DX11 that eliminates all stuttering, and one for DX12 that eliminates a decent amount, or linux, there is no stuttering there

[brittle swan]

na i havent had issues on that mf

[pseudo scaffold]

the rabbit hole goes deep doesn't it

well i'll just sit and wait

[tired kestrel]

yeah just deal with it until it gets fixed

[pseudo scaffold]

I finnished all missions eitherway (before devs took away crack from AI)

[oblique sail]

new hotfix already did fix a lot of performance/shader issues. i don't think it's going to happen, don't get your hopes up, they would have done it for 1.0 already

[tired kestrel]

same 🦅 🦅 🔥 🔥

[pseudo scaffold]

i did take it myself (with mods)

[tired kestrel]

only got cosmetic mods until i finished the game

[pseudo scaffold]

i had a friend who despite everything finnished game on S

[tired kestrel]

then i added some gunfighter mods and a music replacer for neon tomb because why not i guess

[pseudo scaffold]

with a mod though but it's still not easy

especialy with stutters too

[tired kestrel]

i would do it too but i REALLY dont wanna do relapse and sins of a father agian

the only two missions i didnt finish in b or more

[pseudo scaffold]

I hated doing carriers of the vine

[round frigate]

having this in %localappdata%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor\Engine.ini helped for me with stuttering:

r.Streaming.PoolSize=0
r.Streaming.LimitPoolSizeToVRAM=1
r.Streaming.DefragDynamicBounds=1
r.Shadow.PerObject=0
r.DBuffer=0```

[tired kestrel]

i got B second try wasnt that bad for me

[round frigate]

i guess just the "streaming" part would do

[brittle swan]

finally got way out west

[brittle swan]

carriers is way better after thjis patch

its super easy now

[tired kestrel]

basically everything is way easier

[pseudo scaffold]

On one of playthroughs I managed to get almost everyone, prolly was just one suspect

[tired kestrel]

i did it before the hotfix

[brittle swan]

same

[pseudo scaffold]

And just you know it, i get flabbergasted by some mf on staircase

[brittle swan]

i s ranked every mission before the hotfix

it wasnt fun i can tell you that

[tired kestrel]

happened to me in greased palms like twice lol

[pseudo scaffold]

I'll try it tmrw, ty bro ❤️

[tired kestrel]

what was the worst mission?

like hardest

and most painful

[oblique sail]

adding
[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]
r.CreateShadersOnLoad=1

To engine.ini on DX11 fixes all stuttering, doesn't work on RDNA2 cards tho

[brittle swan]

i think the mission i spent the longest on was greased

[oblique sail]

Only works for DX11

[tired kestrel]

S on greased must feel like hell

[tawdry nymph]

welp i need a team to play with

[brittle swan]

i feel like that one was the most frustrating aswell because youd just get shot out of nowhere

[tawdry nymph]

i need to finish neon tomb modded

[brittle swan]

carriers was also pretty horrible

and sins of the father aswell

neon tomb was suprisingly doable

[tired kestrel]

i dont get why people say carriers is so difficult, it was fine for me

[tired kestrel]

neon tomb is such a goated mission

[tawdry nymph]

i actually won that first try

[tired kestrel]

not too hard and very fun

[tired kestrel]

he meant S tier

[pseudo scaffold]

I run DX11 cuz of my old card, so it's no trouble

[tawdry nymph]

it is but well id prefer to have a full human team

[oblique sail]

DX12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9A5KTeqseQ
works for RON too, just have to restart your PC

On linux, there is no stuttering at all and performance is in general more stable and even better in the latest patch using proton

[tawdry nymph]

nvm

[brittle swan]

im just missing hanged man now

[tired kestrel]

have fun with that

[brittle swan]

im not sure im mentally ready for that

[tawdry nymph]

i also got the kill me achievement

[brittle swan]

i hated doing the s ranks after a while

[tired kestrel]

to be honest im only chasing the c+ or more achievements

[hexed relic]

is there anyone else who cant update the game?

[brittle swan]

it was stupidly frustrating and honestly just not fun anymore

[tired kestrel]

im not mentally ready to get all S tiers

if ill get S tier on something it'll probably just be neon tomb cause its my favorite mission

[oblique sail]

what do you mean, do you have enough space for the update? it's repacking the whole game, so 50-60 gb minimum free

the patch is only 2 gb

[brittle swan]

data center was also pretty horrible to s rank

[tired kestrel]

worth it for that achievement fr

[brittle swan]

yeah

thats the only reason i did it

[tired kestrel]

dude i hate that mission

its probably the worst cp mission

[hexed relic]

last update was dec 17 and steam says its up to date. i can see the article in activity in steam but it hasnt updated

[brittle swan]

verify game files

[oblique sail]

try verifying cache or reinstalling the game

[brittle swan]

and hospital just took a bunch of time throwing myself at the lower levels

[hexed relic]

tried a fresh install it went to the same version

[brittle swan]

i thanked god that i was able to start at the morgue

[tired kestrel]

hospital in general is just so long man, i remember getting to THE LAST ROOM and then getting headshot by a john wick enemy

[deep rain]

Is brisa cove still bugged? cannot start at the residence stairs.

[oblique sail]

yes

[tired kestrel]

AFTER 1 HOUR BTW

[hexed relic]

i MIGHT have figured it out. steam might have switched it to (supporterEdition) in betas but i was playing it a few days before the update came out

[brittle swan]

yeah thats why i kept starting at the morgue

[tired kestrel]

when i finally finished hospital i only needed to find the last civilian and i was so done i just shot one and got an F lol

i couldnt be bothered

[oblique sail]

there are still some bugs, like missing text on night vision googles, the second one, missing muzzle flash on breach shotgun when NPCs use it, gloves missing images, etc. but they fixed a lot of things

brisa cove also seems to be affected, probably will get patched in the next hotfix

[brittle swan]

lmfao

elephant is bugged now aswell

[tired kestrel]

dude i crashed like two times in the last room fucking hell man

[brittle swan]

crashing is rough

[tired kestrel]

relapse is hell

its a good map, but its hell

[round frigate]

have u had suspects ending their lives in the other rooms? i got A+ 3 times cuz of that and I dont remember this being so bad before the update

[foggy zinc]

spawn main lobby so you dont gotta worry about crossing the bridge. Bring a lot of wedges and some utility like flashes to make clearing easier, as well as a mirror to peak into rooms.

[tired kestrel]

to be honest, i brought wedges for the first time and won it first try

thats how good wedges are lol

but ill never bring myself to use mirror its just so boring

[bright valley]

I think it's cool that we have some large maps like the hospital.

[brittle swan]

also, ai seems to have been reduced massively

so few ai now

[brittle swan]

spawn in the morgue area

[tired kestrel]

yeah dude, i can go into rooms in fall in mode without being scared of getting john wicked instantly now

[brittle swan]

na bro there was like 4 ai on neon tomb now wtf

something is wonky now

4 suspects and 3 civilians on nightclub? tf

[foggy zinc]

True but the utility is just unmatched lol

[shadow fern]

Rust belt complete

Now onto sins of the father

[brittle swan]

hotfix for hotfix when fr

[shadow fern]

As usual finding the last guy is always annoying

[tired kestrel]

i like the chaos 🔥 🦅

go in a room blasting it open with a c2 having no idea what awaits

[tired kestrel]

have fun with this one

second most nightmarish mission imo

[shadow fern]

I heard I’m going to pull my hair over it

What’s the first?

[tired kestrel]

relapse, youll get to it

but, the game is much easier after the hotfix

so you wont have much trouble

[dense quest]

sins isn't that bad imo except the glass balcony downstairs

[tired kestrel]

wandering around a hotel with creepy music playing in the background looking for the last suspect and civilian having a chance to get instakilled on every turn is pretty rough

[dense quest]

creepy music indeed

[tired kestrel]

this music got drilled into my head

i was legit on this map for 1 full hour no breaks just looking dead into my computer

at like 2 am

definitely one of the experiences of all time

[ivory kiln]

feels like horror

[craggy yew]

scariest thing while doing an s rank is seeing the friendly fire penalty show up for it to only say 0

[tired kestrel]

doesnt help that i cant put smthn in the background/turn off the sound because i need to hear the last suspect

[craggy yew]

on dat s rank grind

mind jolt time

[brittle swan]

anyone else having like

3 suspects in the entire map

[shadow fern]

Should void go supernatural and add some monsters and shit?

[tired kestrel]

what map

[tired kestrel]

maybe on like halloween or smthn, but generally keep it realistic

[brittle swan]

ive just had 3 on brisa and before that 4 on neon tomb with 4 civis

[tired kestrel]

weird, never happened to me

[brittle swan]

and on elephant i had like

7 suspects earlier with bomb threat instantly compelting

[crude prism]

Were you previously or are you now using AI mods or something?

7 active shooters sounds like a nightmare lul

[brittle swan]

was before update, deleted after i saw there was a update

[crude prism]

ah gotcha

[brittle swan]

i mean they just kinda ran at me lmao

[foggy zinc]

ok why are the AI so insanely aggressive now officers

they never pushed this hard

[vast widget]

hello when I try to choose the hospital map it doesnt let me click it any reason why? Btw it is a multiplayer lobby

[bright valley]

It is peculiar how many times I've seen suspects in formerly "safe" areas close to spawn post-hotfix.

[foggy zinc]

Spawning in 23 megabytes and a suspect is at the FIRE EXIT GATE SITTING THERE

[bright valley]

Like outside in front of 4U or Brixley's.

[foggy zinc]

SAME BRUH

[bright valley]

Yeah.

I think each time they didn't spawn there but rather freely wandered there.

'cause usually I'd notice an open door nearby.

[foggy zinc]

THEY DON'T WANDER THEY FULL SPRINT OFF SPAWN

have you not had AI randomly sprint at you?

CUZ SOME MANIAC ON 23 MEGABYTES SURE DID

[bright valley]

I haven't been sprinted at in spawn yet, no.

[craggy yew]

gonna need to see this

toatally not an excuse to swat a furry twitch streamer

[velvet steeple]

so we can see through CS gas now?

[foggy zinc]

pretty much

not as opaque as before but still somewhat thick

[craggy yew]

another victory for the gas gang

[uncut nacelle]

it changed colors too

more lighter grey

[velvet steeple]

gas was always the best

now even more so

but I don’t want my swat to have a muffled voice 😡

so no ballistic or gas

[uncut nacelle]

how to change speed of freecam in replay mode, cuz i dont see any options, only sensitivity looking

[craggy yew]

whelp greased palms s rank time

wish me luck fellas

[deep rain]

its easy now with the new AI 😄

[crude prism]

If you scroll wheel a lot, it will increase/decrease the freecam speed

[uncut nacelle]

frl?

[crude prism]

ye

[uncut nacelle]

damn how i supposted to know that bruh

gonna try to make neon tomb 911 cinematics

[craggy yew]

damn greased palms is easier

[prime mural]

anyone have an issue where u cant change guns?

[uncut nacelle]

it always was ez

[vestal mauve]

Stinger gang rise up

[crude prism]

This is usually because of outdated mods. Do you have gunfighter or another mod that edits weapons/ammo types?

[prime mural]

Probably

[crude prism]

The patch yesterday would've broken all those, you need to check for updates on the mod pages

[prime mural]

That would make sense

Ty

[ivory kiln]

you got any maps compatible with the update

[uncut nacelle]

plenty of them

go to single player > commander, 18 fresh maps

[ivory kiln]

modded maps

not vanilla

[craggy yew]

mfw when i lose my s rank to a bug

[slate bear]

whats the difference between NVGs and GPNVGs and which one is better?

[dim cairn]

Finally fuckin finished IDEs Of March.

[dim cairn]

No difference, aesthetics only

[slate bear]

okay

[dim cairn]

GPNVGs look cooler imo

[slate bear]

yeah, i think that too

[slate bear]

AI is so cracked in that level, i finished it and will NEVER play it again

[dim cairn]

I finished it by tearing through and not discriminating between civvies and enemies with my SMG lmao

I fucking sprayed every room before I set foot in it

[slate bear]

i s-tiered my way through it somehow

after dying 5+ times

flashbangs and 9-bangers are a man's best friends

[bright valley]

Mirrored the first door on Sinuous Trail, watched a guard take cover on a door and start blindfiring in the complete opposite direction from where I was posted, he almost killed his ally, lmao what

[craggy yew]

curse you valley of the dolls

[solemn cairn]

does ballistic mask also act as anti-flash goggles?

[bitter mason]

I just realised why dont they just use the headwear style system for that rather than having two separate nvgs

[stone bay]

No

[craggy yew]

damn why is this hired security harder then combat trained veterans

[dim cairn]

The security guards snort vape juice

[feral sequoia]

i keep joining modded games with checksum enabled and it's affecting my steel armor since the hosts are using movement speed mods, how do i go about fixing this?

[craggy yew]

what they put in the birthday cake for these guards to be shrugging off 5 beanbag rounds

[dim cairn]

They're experts at playing slaps

[merry moat]

Quick question, how does the hitbox work, like if I shoot someone in the elbow or wtv, ill it make them stunned but not dead? I've been wondering that, since some missions I'm having difficulties getting S tier, I could just shoot them in the arm and get them to cooperate.. ?

or like the knee make them paralize for life, but would keep them alive.. ?

[dim cairn]

I'm pretty sure that shooting than in the limbs stuns (pretty sure but don't quote me on it) although if you're trying not to kill I WOULD suggest LTL

[craggy yew]

ive shot like 4 people in the ankles with beanbags and the do the animation of getting winded

so it reminds suspects to do cardio to have a greater lung capacity

[crude prism]

You can technically shoot them in the arms/legs to make them more likely to surrender. But you'll probably just end up killing/incapping someone as it's not very consistent if you're doing it to every person through the level

[merry moat]

Damn aight, cuz some missions getting close with the beanbag is fucking hard AHHA they shoot me from across the map and I'm like great a shotgun will do a lot

[merry moat]

Aight thanks

[crude prism]

You should give the pepperball VKS a try too if you're not having luck at range where the beanbag gets finicky

It's easy to just tap tap tap tap people with pepper

[merry moat]

Damn that's a real help, thanks homie

[neat hazel]

whats the best shotgun in the game?

[river bluff]

Optimization when?

[bright valley]

No disabilities, I'd reckon.

[foggy zinc]

supernova or benelli m4/xm1014 imo

[foggy zinc]

never

[velvet steeple]

ready or not was created to bring jschlatts vision of LA to life

[craggy yew]

erm actually it was made to excute Amos Voll

[neat hazel]

alr

[velvet steeple]

as in jschlatts vision

amos voll is basically andrew cuomo (for legal and geological reasons thats a joke)

[mighty elbow]

jschlatt had a vision???

[velvet steeple]

yes he got glasses

[merry moat]

That's some Sam Winchester shit right there

[mighty elbow]

incredible

[velvet steeple]

why is the fact that jschlatt can see the thing we take out of this

ok you know what that probably checks out

[river bluff]

Ready or not was created to become John Wick

Who doesn't know that

[velvet steeple]

i do

[river bluff]

Pinging Void staff and scream "OPTIMIZE IT" would give me a ban hammer?

[velvet steeple]

me with m45a1 hot swapping a one tap on a suspect knowing ill never pull that off again 😎

[river bluff]

I mean

It's tempting yk...

[craggy yew]

mods execute amos voll

[upbeat shore]

I never seen so many Void people online at the same time

[ebon tree]

Are there any places that civvies like to hide in on the watt community college map? I've brought order to chaos but I'm still missing a civilian or two despite sweeping the entire place up, down, sideways, outside, and upside down 3 times

[river bluff]

@upbeat shore you, yes you
First of all, Gorillaz 🔛🔝

Second, you know mods for optimization?

[upbeat shore]

[river bluff]

Because:

[upbeat shore]

Optimization as in "better performance"?

[river bluff]

Yes

How in the actual fuck
Does a 3060 ti
Not get past 40fps or even drop to 10

[bright valley]

Don't forget that you'll need to report any dead/incapacitated civs too.

[dense quest]

Try to switch between dx11 and dx12

[river bluff]

Did so

Happens on both, being worse in DX12 (ofc)

[dense quest]

Yeah dx11 runs better for me

[upbeat shore]

There are no "fps boost" mods.
I'd recommend using DLSS for the moment.

[ebon tree]

ahh could be that

[junior depot]

Yeah I just came to ask about the same thing - R5 5600 w/ rx6750 XT & 32GB DDR4 ram suffering from low fps... under 50 at times. I have shadows on medium & AA on high. What else should I adjust?

[river bluff]

DLSS is hit or miss, and doesn't help all too much with the performance

[junior depot]

FSR2 on balanced ATM but idk if it even does anything

[river bluff]

In my personal experience

[ebon tree]

the game isn't optimised well and doesn't run great on any hardware really
DLSS on quality mode gives me 10 to 30 more frames but doesnt help stutters
close down background programs, maybe elevate the programs priority
funnily enough I get better performance on modded maps

[craggy yew]

mods give me whatever bolton security is smoking cause they straight tweaking

[river bluff]

i5 12400k and 3060 ti with 16gb DDR4, shit's hard

[ebon tree]

i7 11700k, 3060, and 32gb DDR4 isn't the best but it should run this game at a solid 80 fps or more all the time
I drop down to like 20 frames sometimes on maps like elephant or club

[river bluff]

Modded maps tend to have less shit going around, and thus making your FPS a little more stable

[junior depot]

What settings affect FPS the most besides shadows and AA?

Also, what FSR2 mode to run?

[ebon tree]

fair enough!

[river bluff]

As many games I suppose volumetric related settings and graphics quality

[delicate hound]

Does the practice end at Port Hokan?

[river bluff]

Also, it's kinda weird how the performance got worse after 1.0 lol

• game seems weirdly balanced and made

[foggy zinc]

mayhaps

[dense quest]

Port is the last map in the game

[ebon tree]

game feels a little funky after 1.0 I agree
I miss the old maps too, like the new ones are great but I'd love the old cherrysea farm back

[delicate hound]

Yeah, random stutters. But ever since hotfix or whatever I've been able to run the game averaging 60-100 FPS on max graphics

[delicate hound]

Thanks

[river bluff]

Single player: 60fps with drops to 15

Multi: 15 stable 💀

[delicate hound]

Ready or Not ever since 1.0 has really been optimization I believe. You have to find the right graphics that work for you.

[river bluff]

I'll just say two simple words

Nuh
Uh

[delicate hound]

Not for you maybe

[dense quest]

I'm lucky enough to have a weak gpu yet the game running well for me on high settings

[delicate hound]

Max graphics with shadows and PP at low, and everything at max has worked well for me.

I didn't find a big difference with lowering everything down to high, just maybe like 5-10 more FPS which I can spare.

[river bluff]

Performance based on hardware ❌

Performance based on RNG ✅
xD

[delicate hound]

And that was on Port Hokan, and I assume Port Hokan is a pretty intense map with graphics.

[ebon tree]

I just can't find a way to kill the stutters honestly, like some maps run at 150 fps+ and others maybe hover around 80+ but all of them have a random room or something that absolutely tanks my FPS
the library in elephant is a prime example, my game is a slideshow in there and then the rest of the map is a dubiously stable 80 fps

[delicate hound]

Yeah, the library is bad...but it's not a slideshow for me at least.

[river bluff]

And just, let's not talk about multiplayer, shall we?

[ebon tree]

I get like 15 to 25 fps in there max

[delicate hound]

Keep in mind everyone has different systems, resolutions, rerfresh rates, etc

[ebon tree]

Lol I haven't tried yet, the people I play with quit RoN before 1.0

[river bluff]

Other's hardware SHOULD NEVER affect individual performance

[ebon tree]

this ^^^

unless they're hosting a server, in which case bad hardware or bad network could cause issues

[river bluff]

If such thing happens, there is something REALLY WRONG with the compilling or even scripting of the game

[delicate hound]

Honestly, not sure if I'll ever touch RoN after since I've finished everything. Not until new maps drop or some huge mod comes

[ebon tree]

have you played some of the modded maps? They're amazing

[delicate hound]

The only thing the game can improve right now is stutters, and it did that for me already.

[ebon tree]

plenty of customisation mods too

[delicate hound]

Yeah, but I haven't touched them this update.

[river bluff]

Grind Rank S with revolver only
No balls

[ebon tree]

there's a reason I have 220 hours in this game :P

[delicate hound]

No

[river bluff]

Being realistic ❌

Doing silly things

[ebon tree]

some of it's being silly but a lot of it is grinding S ranks or trying out modded content too

I used to play a bit of multiplayer too, thats prolly a good 100 hours right there

[river bluff]

I tried to solo some missions with taser only

No need to say
I died

A lot

[ebon tree]

ooh thats rough lol

before pepperballs were nerfed I used to give my entire team pepperball rifles and tasers, and suspects had zero chance

easy S rank

but that's no fun

[river bluff]

How was that shotgun that fired kevlar called?

[ebon tree]

I don't remember a shotgun that fired kevlar

kevlar is an armour material

[river bluff]

Non lethal shotgun to ez S rank

[delicate hound]

https://imgur.com/a/jNv5gDf cough cough

[river bluff]

Almost* non lethal

[delicate hound]

had to upload to imgur

[ebon tree]

beanbag shotgun?

[river bluff]

Yep, exactly
I'd love to equip that shit to the AI, but they are so dumb they go straight for the head

[delicate hound]

Download an AI mod

like Jug's

[river bluff]

Maybe

[delicate hound]

Jug's is a gameplay mod overall

[river bluff]

(I am masochist and I play the game with vanilla AI)

[delicate hound]

There's a good only AI mod that lets you choose various stuff for the AI

[vale tangle]

from my experience having 2 ais with beanbags and 2 with pepperball is best solution, i haven’t had an ai kill anyone in a long time with that set up

also gives the ai more stopping power because pepperballs take a while to have an affect on suspects

[chilly forum]

is there a way to skip levels? i did one (i think the 3rd, park homes or whatever its called), and I seemingly checked the whole map, did everything, and still didn't complete it

[vale tangle]

did you find all the meth?

[ebon tree]

kinda sad there's no ambiance in the listening room, would be cool to hear interviews/interrogations going on

[chilly forum]

i think so, i believe it was just suspects

[vale tangle]

if you check your tablet does it show any main objectives being incomplete

[chilly forum]

this was a while, but yeah I think main objectives weren't complete

I swear i checked the whole map though and couldnt complete them

[vale tangle]

yeah there is meth stash, money stash, and meth labs you have to find i think?

[chilly forum]

i think i completed those though

I believe i had to find another suspect

[vale tangle]

meth and money stash are on the second floor of the main building in rooms next to each other and the labs are in the fumigation building

ah yeah

it’s a pretty big map, i miss the old way where it was split in two with barricaded suspects being just the house and tunnel, and raid being the two houses and the laundromat

[chilly forum]

i havent played in a while, might aswell just hop on now and try to do it

I wish they would add an option to skip a mission / unlock the next one

even if they put like a timer on it for a few hours

thats my only problem with 1.0, even though I havent played much]

[vale tangle]

yeah if you play in an online lobby with no players you can play all of the missions with ai (i’m not totally sure about the ai part, that’s how it was pre 1.0)

[chilly forum]

but I assume they wont be unlocked in the singleplayer? i guess it doesnt make a huge difference though

just a little more convinient

[vale tangle]

yeah but you can get unlocks

not achievements though afaik

[chilly forum]

thanks, i'll try to complete it on singleplayer right now

[vale tangle]

unlocks as in equipment i should say not mission unlocks sorry for not clarifying

[stone bay]

is it worth it having your ai equip night vision or does it not do anything for them

[vale tangle]

not worth they don’t even flip them down when you do

[stone bay]

perfect

[mighty elbow]

cool tattoos

[stone bay]

thanks gamer

[bitter mason]

You dont get ai if youre alone on multiplayer anymore

[vale tangle]

oh that’s ass

[bitter mason]

Best way of playing solo really is on practice cause you dont have to deal with squas management and you can retry a level freely. You still progress and unlock stuff like normal so it should really be renamed to something different

[vale tangle]

yeah but practice doesn’t have all maps available like he wanted

[bitter mason]

Yeah

[turbid fog]

I wanted to buy RoN, but I was curious if multiplayer had online lobbies to join? Or is it only an "invite" system?

[bitter mason]

You can join online lobbies but its not gonna be the best way of playing

And theres no server browser

[turbid fog]

So how do you access online lobbies without a server browser?

[vale tangle]

nah i’d disagree, pubs are really fun you get to meet new people and it’s usually a more fun chiller experience but if you want it to be all serious then play with your friends in a private lobby

[turbid fog]

I'm assuming I could find groups on here though

[bitter mason]

Just a quick play match making

[turbid fog]

Got it okay

[bitter mason]

Yeah you can find groups to play with here or play with ppl
Thatll be better than joining random public matches

[bitter mason]

Yeah that could be a plus but pubs are always gonna be a zoo
I imagine youll get a good handful of trolls or straight up morons that can ruin the enjoyment

[vale tangle]

no i’ve done my fair share of pubs the only annoying people are the ones who don’t have mic’s that about it

[bitter mason]

Ah fair. I mean i havent actually played any pubs lol
Just often hear people complain on here from time to time

[vale tangle]

probably nitpicking from limited experience

no offence to them

[tough spire]

Solo taser-only run resumes, lets gooo

[foggy zinc]

george m is back

[tough spire]

I haven't gone anywhere 😱

[bright valley]

George M's been deployed

[tough spire]

Btw I thought having C2 was maybe a little too op for this challenge run so I traded it for more wedges. And ||a pepperspray||

[bright valley]

Just a little can of silly string so they know you're the good cop.

[tough spire]

I actually have a theory but I was gonna wait and see if it worked before I shared it

[gleaming fable]

bro seasoning the suspects.

[tough spire]

I like a little spice on my perps.

[gleaming fable]

🌶️

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

is pepperspray good or just a meme to run against dumbed-down AI

[tough spire]

I defer to @bright valley 's experience and testing on that one which sounds like it absolutely blows even in current meta

BUT I have a theory I want to try with it first, which is like, the 2%-of-all-circumstances use case power play.

[bright valley]

Oh pepper spray is greaaaaaat.

[gleaming fable]

last time i tried using pepperspray, some enemies fold like an omelet and some tank it like a boss.

[tough spire]

Nevermind I was wrong pepperspray is great with 6 a's.

[bright valley]

I strongly encourage everyone to drop their ammo in favor of pepper spray and report back with the results.

[tough spire]

aw man pepper spraying surrenders is unauthorized use of force now!?

[gleaming fable]

judge gonna cook

[tough spire]

Well there goes that theory

I just had multiple surrenders in a room so I was going to spray 'em to keep 'em contained while I cuffed 'em all. That was my brilliant plan. But then I got ROE DINGED

[bright valley]

Yeup, CS nade would serve you better for that purpose

[foggy zinc]

also i have come to realize that the USP is somewhat good

[tough spire]

How is a CS grenade fair game but pepper spray not 😭

[bright valley]

USP is a nice alternative to the Five-seveN meta

[foggy zinc]

the sight bounce is bum cheeks but other than that its decently pwoerful up close

only issue is when they start tanking shots

i.e. damage fall off

[bright valley]

God, the completely bullshit accidental RoE violations if it wasn't...

[tough spire]

Truthfully a lot of things are RoE violations that shouldn't be

[bright valley]

Using less lethals on civs who are simply being non-complaint would be against many departments' policies.

[tough spire]

Depends on the situation

says Portlander who has been gassed and flashbanged for simply... being there

[bright valley]

The line is usually around intent/ability to do harm, which is why you get a lot of bullshit usage IRL

Struggling gets treated like fighting

[tough spire]

The thing is, if we're SWAT we have waaaaay less strict rules. This game can't decide if we're beat cops or not.

[gleaming fable]

the game actively telling you to bonk non compliant civvies in training mode.

[bright valley]

The hand-to-hand/melee stuff is often permitted, just not shit like pepperballing folks.

[gleaming fable]

ah

[tough spire]

Police on riot duty apparently can do whatever the F they want.

[bright valley]

It's also just gamified for the sake of interesting gameplay. I don't think I'd ever expect IRL cops to try and beanbag a guy with a gun but it's fun that I can apply some form of use of force continuum in-game.

[tough spire]

Rubber bullets I think are more common? Not sure.

That's sure what we had used against us

[frail quartz]

This is a very alarming sentence

[bright valley]

Ah shit, I don't think having more than one slot of pepper spray does anything

[tough spire]

I have so many articles I can send you.

[frail quartz]

I think I'll pass

[tough spire]

I don't blame you.

[foggy zinc]

rubber bullets in ready or not would be the greatest thing ever

provided they're more effective than the pepperball guns obv

[tough spire]

When my town became a flaming wreck of anarchy and antifa ( 🙄 ||this was absolutely bullshit, by the way, but that's politics|| ) I got very involved in the protests from a journalistic side and have a whole tab folder on my Chrome that's just filled with stuff about all that. But yeah they'd use rubber bullets. War crime gas. Lotta flashbangs. They'd bag and van random people who weren't armed or even doing anything. It was wild.

So yeah. TOC being like "hey you pepper sprayed a guy who just shot at you after he surrendered you're bad" is pretty damn silly

[craggy yew]

died to a bleed on valley of the dolls

S rank please

[bright valley]

I imagine we could probably have kinetic projectiles as an alternate ammunition type for the pepperball launchers. No pepper effect but more stun damage, something to that effect.

[tough spire]

I wonder if they could just re-use the stinger projectiles

[crude prism]

Beanbag would need a buff if there was an in-between like rubber bullets

Make it so it knocks people out again on headshots

[native rune]

40mm less lethal projectile

[bright valley]

I should probably clarify, when I picture "more stun damage," I probably mean like 3 shots to stun rather than 4. Really wouldn't want it steal the beanbag's thunder.

[crude prism]

when do I get the 40mm buckshot shell

[foggy zinc]

crush their nuts when aimed at their groin

what tactical devices could we get ingame

it'd be very funny if we had like a UAV or sumn

for larger maps like Port and Farm maybe

[crude prism]

Long Tactical: Predator Drone

[tough spire]

I think having an optional multiplayer role where you play a support unit that is different depending on the map could be neat

[craggy yew]

guys give me the strength to not punch a hole in my monitor from this bolton guard killing me with a knife

[bright valley]

I know aerial drones were scrapped, but I've wondered if one of those treaded surveillance robots would be an OK long tactical alternative to the mirrorgun.

[craggy yew]

god fucking damn it

[bright valley]

Something similar to the LT2-F without the optional arm.

[tough spire]

I only use bomb defusal bots that can also help scan for aliens.

[bright valley]

Remote access so you can scout deeper into rooms, but not able to do more than push peeked doors so you don't break flow by stuffing your face into a screen for too long.

[crude prism]

Fuze charge from R6 siege

[bright valley]

hell no lol

[crude prism]

heavy armor isn't enough, I need da juggernaut suit from mw2

[tough spire]

If wanted anything from R6 it'd just be tunneling through walls.

[bright valley]

Aren't CoD's juggernauts just erroneously wearing EOD suits despite those not being designed to stop gunfire?

[tough spire]

OKAY doing solo stealth taser only run and not knowing where the last couple of contacts ran and hid to on Park Slopes and having to go hunt them down? Scary

[bright valley]

Note: the LT2-F is an 80lbs robot. Emphasis on "similar to" lmao.

[craggy yew]

im about to start crying this game is pissing me off

[sharp sparrow]

Has anyone else been struggling with flashbangs not working?

[bright valley]

Sometimes.

[crude prism]

The drip on the OG MW2 juggernauts is unmatched

[normal patrol]

hit or miss with flash

[bright valley]

Aesthetically dope. Just totally impractical lol

[frail quartz]

Isn't that what COD runs on? Coolness > practicality?

[crude prism]

But consider: this ridiculous post somebody made on the RoN Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1alpctu/this_bulletproof_body_armor_exoskeleton/

[frail quartz]

The deagle is a testament to this: IRL it's impractical as hell but HOLY HELL is it awesome

[prime wing]

Current COD characters look AI generated

[craggy yew]

yep finna pull a hand member and ruin someone's s rank

[bright valley]

lmao the top comment of "But can it stop me from shooting myself?"

[tough spire]

The .357 variant is reasonable

But no game uses it

[frail quartz]

I feel like us judging them for that is throwing stones from glass houses

[bright valley]

I only recently learned there's a fucking .357 1911 and it's raaaad

[mighty elbow]

we need a 44 magnum so i can role play as dirty harry

[vestal mauve]

hell yeah

[tough spire]

I want a .22 revolver.

[prime wing]

And we will defend it 🦅

[vestal mauve]

I want the FN FNC

and more clothing

[tough spire]

Every clothing option should have denim variants.

[bright valley]

denim plate carrier

yeehaw

[tough spire]

This is america. Where is my plate jarrier.

[craggy yew]

jean jarrier

[mighty elbow]

i want a tactical skirt

or short dress

[tough spire]

Tactikilt!

[crude prism]

[silk junco]

tactical thigh highs

[craggy yew]

we somehow always circle back to femboy d platoon what is our mental illness

[bright valley]

that's jenna specifically

[crude prism]

y'all need help

[bright valley]

like every other time

[frail quartz]

Tell us something we don't know

[crude prism]

Hamburgers and cheeseburgers go well with fries

[frail quartz]

I think the solution here is to get to the root of the problem and replace the glass with handmade higher quality materials (TOTALLY NOT AN ALLEGORY)

[tough spire]

We have stupid tattoos nobody else can really see. The cowards should have given us real fashion statements to unlock like JNCOs.

[silk junco]

i have 2 of those
gotta catch em all

[mighty elbow]

i was thinking tactical leggings with heels

[silk junco]

YES

[tough spire]

https://tenor.com/view/jnco-jeans-dance-gif-13826870

[bright valley]

ay caramba

[prime wing]

RON going live service always online, thats the solution.

[mighty elbow]

i can't help it the only things in my mind rn are dresses leggings and heels

[craggy yew]

ready or not points for cosmetics

[prime wing]

"GUys its not live service, its a genre defying tactical experience"

[mighty elbow]

i have been wanting to wear them all week even though I'm not allowed to and i can't get it out of my brain

[tough spire]

Do it coward.

[vestal mauve]

I want more olive drab clothes, my local SWAT team uses olive BDUs

[mighty elbow]

my parents won't let me but i do have a dress i hid away

[vestal mauve]

FEMBOY PLATOON
TOMBOY TOC

[bright valley]

My local PD apparently just sends a bunch of good ol' boys in the back of a pickup truck with cargo pants and t shirts lol

[round zephyr]

Question: on the community college mission, the suspects always seem to kill one civilian before i can do anything about it, preventing me from getting an S grade. Is there anything I can do about this besides keep trying and hope i get lucky?

[vestal mauve]

kill them before 120 seconds pass

there's a timer that counts down the moment the mission starts

[tough spire]

Recently cracked?

[round zephyr]

oohh so it's 120 seconds ... dang i gotta go fast lol

[bright valley]

alexa play green hill zone

[craggy yew]

guys how do valley of dolls S

[mighty elbow]

huh?

[craggy yew]

getting whooped by men in suits with guns

[tough spire]

Nvm 🙂

[mighty elbow]

tell me pls

[muted rampart]

I see a couple days ago there was an update, how far did the AI pendulum swing in the other direction fellas?

The notes I read included that people are more likely to surrender if there are multiple officers on em and their accuracy is different

[round zephyr]

it was a good update

[muted rampart]

Awesome, I think I'll hop on tonight

[frail quartz]

This sounds suspiciously familiar.....
🇺🇸🤡 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤡 🐺 ⛓️

[tough spire]

Way too far. The only way I am enjoying this game right now is taser-only.

[muted rampart]

they're super bad?

[tough spire]

Extremely.

I did an entire ironman run on my first attempt on patch day. Front to end.

[muted rampart]

can't even say br@in d3@d in here or automod gets you

Is the AI the exact same for general robbers, trained security, and extremists?

I feel like tweaking numbers for different factions would be normal, I wanna be able to have a different feeling experience against different threats

last time I played tho everyone was cracked and would not go alive under nearly any circumstance, where now I guess even Holt's security rolls over if you yell at em in a stern voice

[last bear]

Wow Hotfix #3 turned the game into CoD XD

[muted rampart]

Well, I feel like either people don't like AI that don't miss shots and I feel like people don't like AI who miss shots

I think the frustration of skilled AI at least hits me most when you see sometimes there are 1 frame kills, and sometimes when sight conditions are super shitty (dark as hell, smoke, covered or blurry windows) the AI has zero impediment

Missing shots makes sense, however in PvE if the AI misses like once or twice an average player can just expose the AIs brain to fresh air for the first time, meaning too easy

if the AI never misses a shot, then the average player is always gonna feel cheated when the AI head tags em through smoke, through a window with blinds

Somehow there needs to be a way to tie accuracy to external conditions such as visibility and the effects of less lethals

[last bear]

Point on, I just feel like the AI went from AutoAimHeadLock to WoodenDummy. Perhaps it will be tweaked again in the coming hotfix.

[crude prism]

They changed the way the AI aimcones are calculated AND did HUGE accuracy nerfs to most maps + moving accuracy nerfs to ALL maps

[muted rampart]

Because it seems like the enemy only has 2 states, not knowing where you are and knowing where you are

and if the accuracy is up, knowing where you are is just doom and if they fix that by lowering the accuracy they just suck

[crude prism]

The new accuracy definitely needs some work

[bright valley]

I've both played solo w/AI SWAT, true solo, and in duos with a couple of different friends. It's hard to say.

[muted rampart]

Even if the accuracy was high but the reaction time was human it would be way different too

[bright valley]

Like, it's much easier and yet we're not rolling in with a 100% success rate so I really don't know.

There's times when it feels just right and other times it feels significantly too easy, like you and the suspect are standing still in close-quarters and you're not getting hit.

[crude prism]

It doesn't help that on top of this, all enemies with Rifles + LMGs are currently bugged and only dealing half durability damage to Ceramic armor. So before when you would take damage in 4 hits, you don't take damage until 8 hits

[muted rampart]

I have seen some level 4 ceramic armor can eat 18 5.56 green tips before they start going through

[bright valley]

I wonder if the player damage model is contributing towards making the game balance inconsistent and hard to balance, 'cause depending on whether and where you get hit, the potential time to die can actually be super fast.

[crude prism]

Pistols + SMGs will currently kill you in less shots than the rifles/lmgs will

[muted rampart]

for a game tho, yea 4 would make more sense

[muted rampart]

oh RIP

[bright valley]

And like, you don't really control that so it's just kind of random when it happens.

[crude prism]

Unless you have no armor on. The absolute minimum number of hits to kill you is 4, and that's 4 back to back headshots

[bright valley]

4 can sound like a lot until you consider how fast some weapons fire.

[muted rampart]

YO players can eat 4 headshots?

I thought it was 1

[crude prism]

You can technically take infinite with good RNG, because helmets have raw ricochet chance lul

[muted rampart]

yea but if someone had a gun and not a laser pointer 4 headshots full auto isn't perfect

I worded that hella weird

[crude prism]

Assuming you get hit with a bullet that breaks the helmet in 1 hit (most bullets), it takes 3 hits to 0 out your health after that, because of the damage cap that suspects have on players

[muted rampart]

4 headshots full auto would be perfect but hard to do

is what I meant

[bright valley]

Anyways, at this point I'm too confused by the factors at play to have any suggestions really.

[muted rampart]

damn, skull beats helmet

[bright valley]

Sort of get the impression that the mechanics are too complicated for the results they're producing.

[muted rampart]

I mean I wouldn't even mind getting 1 tapped if someone hit me in the forehead with a rifle as long as the enemy had a reaction time and there was a margin of error instead of repeatable perfection

[crude prism]

Step 1: fix the damage output for suspect LMGs/Rifles
Step 2: tighten the accuracy at close range for suspects
Step 3: raise the minimum reaction time off 0.1 seconds please for the love of fuck
Step 4: add like first-4-shot-accuracy-debuff to suspects

[unkempt mountain]

Imo the ai behaviors are just far too limited to produce a realistic swat experience, feels like r6s terrorist hunt
Look at how human and believable the enemies are in rdr2 or tlou2, then compare that to the janky ass csgo bots that ron has

[crude prism]

It would help if shit wasn't broken with each update lul. But they're certainly going in the right direction with this recent one

[muted rampart]

huh, true true

[crude prism]

Even if it was an overcorrection

[bright valley]

I agree.

[unkempt mountain]

still find it funny asf how the cleanhouse mission from cod is still a more realistic and immersive swat experience than any ron level

[muted rampart]

got me thinking of RDR2 NPCs it would be fuckin wild if like injured people would try to retreat to safety and stuff

[bright valley]

At worst I'm going "that's odd, I feel like I should have died just then" and not getting pissed because I got laser bullshat in 100ms again.

[muted rampart]

100ms is the real AI reaction time?

I think most people are 250 to 350 yes?

[bright valley]

It's as low as it can get, according to the data.

[hexed granite]

theyre kinda adding on to it, i saw some AI squirming or crawling for a few inches before they died

[muted rampart]

do our reactions speed up while under adrenaline even if our control goes down?

[crude prism]

That doesn't factor in stuff like time-to-acquire, time-to-fire, raising/turning animations, etc.

But in theory, if the AI is already aiming at you, and you repeek into it, yes they can shoot you in 0.1 seconds

[unkempt mountain]

man fuck the reaction time, they barely have animations for pulling out a gun. they go from standstill to ready to fire almost instantly

[hexed granite]

but yeah, after 600 hours, the AI starts feeling a bit wooden because theres a limited set of animations they have.

but rdr2 still remains having very human movement (but yeah AAA industry amirite?)

[muted rampart]

^ yea

[unkempt mountain]

Ron used to have animation matching, the animation system used in rdr2 and tlou2
But they scrapped that system years ago

[urban walrus]

Because it's the same everytime

[hexed granite]

what happened?

[unkempt mountain]

who knows

[hexed granite]

ofc it is, its just REALLY good looking, but pregenerated actions. theres little to no dynamic action, just a playable movie

[muted rampart]

yea I was just typing something similar, about how the AI doesnt feel wooden because of animations, its because every enemy is the same from an extremeist to a petty robber

[crude prism]

The clean house mission might as well just be pressing single button QTEs lul

[unkempt mountain]

im saying thats the perfect dream standard they should aim for
an actual practical standard would be rdr2/tlou which is why i mentioned them afterwards

[bright valley]

Yeah I don't think it's fair to compare RoN's largely procedural gameplay to something heavily scripted like CoD. That's like comparing an improv performance to a film.

[night pasture]

It’s sorta ass to work with lol

[muted rampart]

I would find it far more engaging if like more shit happened, like I said earlier about tagging someone and they flee to the back of the map cuz theyre hurt or something

[night pasture]

And expensive.

[hexed granite]

if theres one thing this game got down almost to perfection, its the gunplay. probably the most visceral (audio and visual) shooting in a game

[crude prism]

Well, since we got the SWAT AI rework everyone was complaining about for 12+ months nonstop, hopefully they dig into suspects now

[muted rampart]

I do love how intese the audio and shit is

[hexed granite]

the swat AI actually feels a bit more human, which i have enjoyed, feels more organic than 2022 for surely

[bright valley]

OK but to be fair, did you actually see the state of the SWAT before 1.0? lol

They went from passable to broken and stayed broken for a long, long time.

[crude prism]

I have always been on the side that the suspect AI is what EVERY player will see. I bet a lot of players will never even touch the singleplayer

[hexed granite]

were they broken just before 1.0? i remember being fairly content with them because it was hard to break a simple AI SWAT system

[muted rampart]

📠

[unkempt mountain]

ready or not would be way worse if it didnt feel so good to actually play

[bright valley]

Most of my playtime has been singleplayer lately because my internet can barely handle multiplayer :P

[crude prism]

In my mind, the suspect interactions are what will cement RoN as a game well into the future

If the AI is engaging and interactive and immersive, you can play basically forever, especially with modded maps

[bright valley]

Also, IDK, getting the AI teammates right is a good idea for a game that expects you to have 5 people to play it.

[muted rampart]

its solid right now except for bugs in my opinion

[bright valley]

But yeah, I agree that the suspects are the meat of the game.

[muted rampart]

ive never been upset unless my guys are just not listening

[hexed granite]

everyone pleads to VOID to fix AI
sifts through all the negative feedback
takes months to test and implement
gets replaced by an AI mod
lole

[hexed granite]

real, thereve been times where SWAT AI just stand there despite repeating the same order

[muted rampart]

yea thats the only time where it gets on my nerves

[hexed granite]

something something speed,surprise,violence of action and timing goes out of the window when you have to start babysitting and troubleshooting on the spot

[muted rampart]

lol

[bright valley]

Bugs are a whole thing, completely unpredictable time to fix since you first have to identify why the problem is even occurring.

[unkempt mountain]

I will die on the hill, that your swat officer walks too slow and lacks any urgency

[bright valley]

Like I'm pretty sure the Brisa Cove residential stairway spawn not working is driving a VOID dev fucking insane at this point.

[crude prism]

I'm going to be SO excited to see that black spot appear again one day

[bright valley]

LMAO could you imagine

[crude prism]

He's BACK! >>>⚫<<<

[bright valley]

the interactive void!

[unkempt mountain]

bring back the void™️ to gas station

[hexed granite]

it just feels random sometimes but i think i may have pinpoiunted it

based on experiments:

I give swat orders
they get engaged
they stop what theyre doing and return fire
they stand there
i repeat the same order again if they dont go back to regularly scheduled programming
i spam order
no worky
i have to do a different order then go back to my original order for them to work
they get engaged again
pain

[muted rampart]

impossible to use the "run to the gun" strat like I wanted to use on elephant

[crude prism]

While SWAT are engaged or 'in danger' (because they are omniscient) they will ignore certain commands

[hexed granite]

thats very fair (on paper)

also okay, ive been having a prolem with SWAT AI REALLY over extending on large opening maps like Sins or Club

[crude prism]

Arrest him.

"on it"

doesn't move

Arrest him.

"cuffing"

doesn't move

Zip him up

"I've got him"

doesn't move

[hexed granite]

or when i order them to breach a room, the walk the other way and ALL AROUND the map, just to enter a room, (assuming they dont die on the way)

[muted rampart]

lol

[hexed granite]

pain

[muted rampart]

I had that hella in brixleys

[hexed granite]

im playing this in my head, many such cases

[bright valley]

This is peculiar because to my knowledge they have no defensive strategy besides turning on the spot and returning fire.

[crude prism]

Yeah some of the maps just need a few more 'room dividers' for big areas. So it doesn't count as one big area they clear in a single action

[hexed granite]

would be cool if they backstepped towards nearby cover

[muted rampart]

Like I said, interactions like a chance for people under fire to retreat would do wonders for variety of shit happening

[hexed granite]

man, if i could be a playtester for RON, i would.

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN???????????????

[hexed granite]

yesterday*

[bright valley]

IMO the best you can do is play a lot and try to write feedback that isn't shit.

[muted rampart]

lol, nice name

[hexed granite]

i wonder if they actually read it, and i dont think i remember the button being there anymore for 1.0 (?)

[bright valley]

To be fair, there's a lot of it to read.

And a lot of it is kinda shit.

[hexed granite]

very true. i wonder if they have interns to playtest the game or reserve time to playtest.

just curious on how the process is for them

[bright valley]

Yeah. 1.0's initial release felt either untested or "we tested, but ran out of time to fix the issues we found".

[hexed granite]

i remember one day i talked to a dev though, i told him how the old sound engine, FMOD, broke after there was TOO MUCH sound, usually do to outlier situations and max AI mods,

gave an exact reason for it and said they'd fix it (which they did i think, QSM enginen)

[crude prism]

Zack kicks ass

[hexed granite]

wasnt even sure if it was him, but it was for surely a sound dev

[craggy yew]

all my homies love zack

[bright valley]

3-2-3 pulse of Mindjot's OST forever stuck in my head

[crude prism]

I want to have an actual conversation with whoever handles the balancing of RoNs weapons/armor. But idk if that'll ever happen

Because there's bugs, easy fixes, and QOL things that are desperately needed

And have been for a while

[bright valley]

Better chance in the NDA server I imagine, but that's pure speculation from me.

[hexed granite]

i think overtime the OST grew on me. I didnt like it at first because how overplayed the music would be (or just personal taste), but mindjot and ides grew on me hard

[hexed granite]

actual gatekept now, since supporter edition is out the window

[crude prism]

I'm in there too. And I've tried.

Thankfully I've had some good back and forths with Hunter recently.

SWAT AI helmets getting fixed
bleed system getting fixed
headshot multipliers getting fixed
paperdoll finally updated to show Ceramic armor being broken (it does as of this patch)

[hexed granite]

i dont think u can really balance weapons. in reality, a bullet from rifle is gonna put someone down

so in a game like RON, you kinda have to "overexaggerate" the features of certain things

but yk, if u want to put someone down, sa58 is always there for u

1 or 2 taps a suspects into incap or death

[bright valley]

The main conversation I'd love to have would regard what the design goals are and how they're approaching them.

[hexed granite]

yeahuhhhh. version 1.1 and timeline when?

[tough spire]

A roadmap like the GroundBranch devs have would be nice.

[hexed granite]

probably in the beginning of june i bet. seeing how people would be on vacation, out of school, or whatever playing this game, i dont think they want to miss a peak period like that

[crude prism]

SMGs get the same recoil penalties for having injured arms as rifles do, which is a flat recoil increase. But SMGs don't get nearly as many (or as strong) recoil reduction attachments that rifles do.

So the class that already deals less damage and eats more ammo, becomes disproportionately harder to control

[hexed granite]

link to GB roadmap? i dont think ive seen it

[tough spire]

It's on their Discord

[crude prism]

On top of this, there are some simple errors like 7.62x39 JHP, .357 JHP, and 5.7x28 JHP all having ZERO bleed chance

[hexed granite]

thats valid. i usually use SMG's for the crack house or if i feel like taking someone alive

[hexed granite]

now that u mention it, i remember. I dont think i see a difference between JHP and AP anymore. i just go with AP at this point

i kinda just forgot jhp existed

[crude prism]

Funny enough, as of 1.0, there is FINALLY a difference in object penetration for JHP/AP

[tough spire]

I maintain JHP 7.62 works better.

[crude prism]

So they actually function as intended

[urban walrus]

This https://www.reddit.com/iigod7x?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

[tough spire]

I don't care what your data mining says. My feelings don't care about your facts.

[hexed granite]

no page

[hexed granite]

real

[crude prism]

My datamining fixes your broken game

nah that's all void, I'm just a nerd reporting bugs

[hexed granite]

imsurprised they didnt keep the supporter edition up

wouldve raked in money if people wanted a season pass to the (supposedly paid) DLC in the future

then again. im scared how they would price the next dlc

[tough spire]

DLC #1 - actual content not created by an AI

[hexed granite]

wdym? what content in RON is AI (cuz i have my suspicions)

[tough spire]

A bunch of the artwork. And their subtitles.

[hexed granite]

ok yeah, i noticed that too (i dont use subtitles tho)

i kinda thought the briefings were AI generated too

the log says people murmer and whisper (no whispering at all)

[tough spire]

"George M" was one of the AI subtitles for "door wedge"

[crude prism]

Mmmm... I would check the credits. I bet the briefings are done by real people

[hexed granite]

thats fucking hilarious

[prime wing]

if anything it just seems like a problem with direction for the actors

never took away that it sounded like AI, just extremely off or akward

[bright valley]

did someone say AI subtitles

[crude prism]

AI subtitles are fine if they otherwise wouldn't have been able to implement them in time

I literally do not care 🤷

[prime wing]

still someone has to go through them

[crude prism]

How many voicelines are we up to in the vanilla game? It's ~1600 per SWAT officer. And there's what? like 12 SWAT voices?

[hexed granite]

on one hand, officers (and more like LSPD officers) are highly jaded and used to this like anyone in the field, so it makes sense they wouldnt show emotion to handling a terrorist attack or a school shooting

then again, in times they were supposed to show emotion, it felt wooden and along the lines of whisper yelling.

[prime wing]

it could go both ways yeah

[prime wing]

someone from void stated that they would try to do some human verification, how much I dont know

[crude prism]

The number of voicelines is staggering. I'm sure it's actually a ridiculous amount of man-hours to relate the in-game subtitle to the actual voiceclip playing

[tough spire]

1600?

[hexed granite]

actual intern busy work tbh

i cant imagine a main dev sullying their time to go through that,. i dont blame them

[prime wing]

I dont think the errors were as rampant as they are made out to be, but maybe I just never encountered that many

I had the usual ones

[tough spire]

I mean..... it's bad production management. They should have ported the script lines over. Unless there is no script for the voicelines and they just ad libbed it all.

[hexed granite]

feels like an ad lib sometimes, but i like all the voice work, a much better improvement than pre 1.0

[crude prism]

In the VO folder there is 41,957 files

[hexed granite]

i dont even feel like replacing the voicelines with mods anymore because theyre pretty good

[urban walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/wcno66/comment/iigod7x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Scroll down and expand the deleted comment, there should be a whole thread about why

[hexed granite]

almost an hour of footage

[ebon trench]

why is the game so lagging now

[tough spire]

I'm completely drawing a blank on what it's called in VO but I suspect a lot of those don't contain actual dialogue.

[hexed granite]

wdym actual dialogue?