👮ron-discussion

[uncut nacelle]

cuz this stuff made me quit

[craggy yew]

if d platoon c3'd my door and turned my homies head into a red mist with a benneli m4 id kms too

[foggy zinc]

time to crank out those S ranks officer

[tough spire]

Wallbanging isn't going away. But they did nerf how strong it hits you. You need to be more careful around doors and it's fine.

[uncut nacelle]

Sinious Trail was the last map i played, tried S tier about 18 tries

[foggy zinc]

oof

[uncut nacelle]

many times wallbanged from the 2nd floor window

meanwhile i had my pepper ballsz

[tough spire]

Windows aren't wallbangs. lol

[uncut nacelle]

true but still

[foggy zinc]

getting pixel-peaked

[uncut nacelle]

annoying asf

[tough spire]

Still nothin'. It's a fair play.

[uncut nacelle]

i mean, i was next to the.. fck i dont remember

ah, server room, that one with glass walls whatever, then got killed prob 60% of my runs from 2nd floor

[hasty oak]

most important fix
entry team not referring to themselves as high ground anymore

[tough spire]

Yup. That's a problem you have to figure out how to get around with S runs there. I shoot out the glass with a pistol

[uncut nacelle]

tried go from the roof, main entry, sides. Fail

aint no other option but godmode frl

[tough spire]

Or... playing smarter.

[uncut nacelle]

if i only could be much quicker and pick a pistol when i get shot from 1 bullet

[uncut nacelle]

That feeling when u failed too much times, that u dont even concertrate no more

[tough spire]

That's on you, bro. 💀

[uncut nacelle]

No way that u stay concertrate after u get killed from nowhere 18 times

[tough spire]

If I'm losing 18 times in a row I'm taking a break my dude.

[uncut nacelle]

im like "nah fuck this imma rush this sht tired of it."

[foggy zinc]

idk about rush rush lol

[spice quartz]

so uh, the officers don't stack up on gas station for some reason?

[foggy zinc]

being aggressive is definitely a good play but there are levels to it lol

[tough spire]

That's called "okay I'm going to go touch grass and/or play some House Flipper for a bit" and not "I'm going to keep making the same mistakes and making myself more angry" 🙃

[uncut nacelle]

sinious trails is my nightmare, dont even ask how i did out the west achievement (forgot the name)

[foggy zinc]

python goes crazy lol

[tough spire]

It's all about being aggressive at the right times and being passive/cautious at the right times.

[uncut nacelle]

thats called "no shifts tommorrw finally a day off"

[foggy zinc]

👍 most of the time i hard push fatal funnels and staircases but slow down with larger rooms and openings like house clearing

open spaces like bridge on hospital and port entirely are places i'd be hella aggressive imo

[uncut nacelle]

whats the hardest achievement in yall opinions, besides ironman, s tiers

[tough spire]

Yeah if it works for you, do it. I tend to creep from engagement to engagement but once I open up I open up HARD

[foggy zinc]

getting the gas station robber to surrender when i have a shotgun pointed at his kneecaps

"DROP YOUR WEAPON NOW!"

[uncut nacelle]

wuh

[foggy zinc]

"You ain't takin me bro!"

gets legs blown off

[smoky vine]

I just crashed lmao

[tough spire]

lol I loved running pepperspray only on gas station and trying to get them to surrender on the 1.0 release AI. Blame @bright valley

[uncut nacelle]

I always shoot the ones who makes ultra disgusting n realistic death pain sounds

[tough spire]

It was a chaotic, dangerous mess

[bright valley]

👀

[foggy zinc]

yea a good example for some aggressive areas are sinuous server room; you should clear it super quick and get the jump instantly, on top of areas like literally any dark map or long corridor (cough cough Sins)

[uncut nacelle]

voice team must be paid goooood that they did crazy ass death pain voices

[foggy zinc]

the school shooter ones are my favourite

writhing in pain

[uncut nacelle]

after film "elephant" that sh goes smooth

[foggy zinc]

i should try S elephant lol

if i ran pepperballs i could just spam them to submission

[uncut nacelle]

when i did my campaign mission rush, did elephant 1st try

[tough spire]

"Let's try stupid shit and see what works" gang.

[true panther]

After doing a run on 23 megs, greased palms, brixley talent and mindjot the AI changes feel pretty good, maybe too lenient in some cases? I've had some situations where I've been completely caught with my pants down reloading a taser while a suspect ran around the corner and got a few bursts off with his smg and only turned my legs red

[uncut nacelle]

s tier is harder cuz u gotta be fast, they killin civs like in the movie, without hesitation + bombs

[bright valley]

I haven't tested to see if pepper spray is any more effective post-hotfix 3. Patch notes don't necessarily suggest it, but sometimes changes are made that don't get documented. Plus, less accuracy from the suspects overall might mean the spray's accuracy penalty actually does something.

[rustic pine]

Dlss 3.5 means frame generation?

[foggy zinc]

better than raging at their insane strafe speed and dying in a trash spot

[tough spire]

Mooooood. I keep thinking "is this game just way too easy now or am I just that high-strung from playing it before the patch?" 😂

[foggy zinc]

but i get what u mean

[rustic pine]

Ready or not has raytracing?

[tough spire]

Ring around the rosey with a can of peppers time.

[true panther]

Like yes it does suck when the AI caps you instantly in the head sometimes but that's honestly because I was moving too quickly and not clearing properly in 99% of cases, now I can almost sprint through greased palms and literally shoot suspects on reaction

[tough spire]

Yeah that was the easiest brisa run of my life just now. Had some weird AI bugs too

[uncut nacelle]

how faster u move now lol, cuz i saw they wrote " faster" when ur wpn is down

[bright valley]

I'd like to give it time for more people to playtest more thoroughly. Going from complaining "shit's way too hard" to immediately complaining "shit's way too easy" like 1 day into the changes just seems ungrateful.

[tough spire]

☝️

[bright valley]

It might be the case, but let it breathe for a minute lol

[kindred fable]

Delta bodycam reshade

what is your work around?

[uncut nacelle]

practice mode:

[tough spire]

Whoa, they are so much more aggressive at map start now. I've never seen 4 people attack on Mindjot before I've opened any door before (I didn't go upstairs, I went around to the right)

[bright valley]

My experience so far is that things definitely feel different, but easier/harder seems too reductive to describe it.

[tough spire]

What the actual fuck is going on with their aggro. Dude. I've killed 7 guys on Mindjot and I am only here. #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[spare scaffold]

Generally curious what’s everyone’s feeling on the new hot fix 3? And the tamed down AI ?

[tough spire]

I went around to the right and started with the back right door and they're just throwing themselves at me

[bright valley]

There are some gunfights I've gotten in now where I'm not getting hit a ton but holy shit am I getting suppressed and feel like I'm going to die if I can't push through the disorientation and return fire.

[native rune]

They are super like stupidly aggressive now it seems

Guys practically pouring out the same door

[bright valley]

If they're pushing too much that should be easy to test.

[foggy zinc]

LMAO

[compact edge]

Thats what inwas hoping for, fun firefights instead of instant death

[spare scaffold]

I’m confused. I thought this hot fix was supposed to make them less aggressive lol

[foggy zinc]

i wouldn't complain

they may be listening y'know

[bright valley]

Old version of the game had that problem, you start one gunfight and everyone clears out of their hiding spots and engages you.

[compact edge]

No hotfix made them less accurate and precise

[native rune]

I also can’t change my gun or my teammates gun anymore which also would’ve been easy to I guess catch but what do I know

[bright valley]

To my knowledge the "can't change guns" problem is mod-related and doesn't seem to be affecting vanilla players.

[native rune]

I’ll have to look into it then

[foggy zinc]

gunfighter conflict apparently

ima just live with it for now lel

[compact edge]

Just launch safe mode

[foggy zinc]

or do that

[bright valley]

I think I'm going to start holding position after getting in a gunfight and see what happens.

[stone stump]

my theory is that you're going to die

[lime wigeon]

RON FIXED

[stone stump]

nuh uh

[lime wigeon]

AI fixed is all im worried about

[bright valley]

Stacked on the front entrance of Mindjot, opened the doors and engaged one suspect who was in the doorway directly across. Another suspect eventually showed up and also got shot. Just waiting now, so far that's been it.

[lime wigeon]

gl

[tough spire]

Annnnd Mindjot done.

[true panther]

Just did an 11 minute Greased palms run with a B rating, only because I don't think I arrested a single suspect. Not trying to say the AI is too easy now, they definitely start shooting just as easily as before and their accuracy at medium ranges feels just about right but their close range accuracy feels massively reduced

[stone stump]

ai feels better but still far from being fixed

[lime wigeon]

Oh well

A fix is a fix

[tough spire]

Yeah AI is def. too easy. But generally more interesting behaviors so I'm happy with that.

[bright valley]

Easier to recommend the game if the only problem is it's a little too easy IMO. Could always self-impose challenges until it gets leveled out.

[tough spire]

PISTOLS ONLY IRONMAN LETS GOOOOO

[slender adder]

no fucking way

they actually nerfed the AI?

[plain blaze]

dawg its already hard enough idk why u think its too easy

[slender adder]

it's over the game is casual now

[bright valley]

oh pssh, give it time

[true panther]

because I kind of spent half the run with my gun in low ready just running around

[stone stump]

no, it's just consequence of improving the ai

[plain blaze]

the ai was broken, there are different ways to make the game harder

[spare scaffold]

I’m sure there will be new ai mods to toughen things up

[plain blaze]

It was HARD because the game was broken

[tough spire]

Yeah I'm playing my no-wedge-no-shield ironman save and taking point just blasting through everyone like it's nothing.

[slender adder]

the game was never hard lmao

[bright valley]

🙄 yeah, okay

[plain blaze]

ok bro

[slender adder]

no here's the thing

[bright valley]

we're all very impressed by your skill

[slender adder]

VOIDer unironically said that they were afraid if the game was too easy before pushing the release

so work it out yourself

[tough spire]

I'm one of the biggest defenders of previous patch's general lethality and I'm still calling bullshit on this.

[stone stump]

you're not even real

[slender adder]

hunter really said this

[plain blaze]

add more suspects, make civillians harder to arrest make the guns for suspect do more damage. All of these are things you could add while removing the 0ms response time

its so unrealistic, no one can react that fast to someone

[lime wigeon]

Unrealistic health honestly

[slender adder]

you are not supposed to react

[bright valley]

You've got to realize when you're not in the middle of the bell curve. I might have been able to push out some S ranks before the hotfix, but the playerbase doesn't overwhelming throw a fit when everything's fine.

[lime wigeon]

If I were playing Brisa Cove and I get shot twice in the vest i probably should be dead

[plain blaze]

were talking about the suspect, suspects shouldnt be able to instantly headshot you

[slender adder]

it's not a reaction shooter, you are supposed to balance the disadvantage by any means

[plain blaze]

no one is that skilled in real life

[true panther]

If you break RON down, it is a game that presents the player with numerous CQC puzzles for you to solve. Every room, hallway, etc is a different puzzle for you to figure out how to clear. Even with random suspect spawns and movement, ultimately every map can be 'solved' to an extent which makes the maps progressively easier as you play them

[stone stump]

finding excuses for unrealistic reaction times lmao

[slender adder]

(such as free lean abuse which is a cqb tactic in real life!!!!)

[lime wigeon]

every tactical shooter

[tough spire]

This is disingenuous, sorry. I am 100% on team "you have to figure out how to work around it" but there were legitimately brokenly overpowered AI mechanics that made it unreasonably difficult in certain scenarios.

[slender adder]

nah I'm just bullshiting

carry on lads

[bright valley]

Long-term I think having the difficulty be configurable will be best for the community as a whole, but as long as it's a one-difficulty game, making sure that one difficulty satisfies the majority of the playerbase is important.

[plain blaze]

best way to exit an argument

[slender adder]

it was never an argument, here, I'll drop a screenshot on #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[true panther]

It's only maps like relapse and elephant with a time limit that force you to play more dynamically than you might like, really hopeing we get more maps where you have some impetus to move extra quickly

[tough spire]

GAH. They dramatically changed the color grading on Kawayu beach... my eyes 😭

[spare scaffold]

I wonder if there is a way to roll back to the previous version.

[bright valley]

Did they? I played it recently and didn't notice.

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message The colors are different and there's soooooo muuuuuuch bloooooom

[plain blaze]

god i hate relapse its hard

[ivory kiln]

fuck i can't find the last suspect in rust belt

[bright valley]

Update: still nobody lol

[tough spire]

Have you been there this whole time!?

[bright valley]

yes

[tough spire]

Dedication

[foggy zinc]

spawn main lobby and bring a mirror imo, fast clear everything; i.e. when you breach, breach super fast and clear everything. Run flashbangs to get the prime suspect.

[bright valley]

Not really, just alt-tabbed to my other screen without pausing

[uncut nacelle]

I thought that Ron discussions are about a guy named Ron..

[stone stump]

you can download clean steam files from a certain website i guess

[bright valley]

Also this entire time I thought the second guy was shot dead but he was actually surrendered in the hall just out of my sight.

[foggy zinc]

no its all about matthew pants

[uncut nacelle]

or gays

[ivory kiln]

found em he was in the beginning of the map i killed em

[tough spire]

Ron Howard as ToC mod when

[uncut nacelle]

yep im about to be banned gotta take lil chill pill

[bright valley]

aight

[spare scaffold]

They really gotta add a function for highlighting civilians or bad guys after a certain time

[bright valley]

lmao point man in the stack just took a flank that required him to open a completely different door to clear the room i gave orders on.

[foggy zinc]

like if we complete Order to Chaos it highlights civs after a certain bit of time?

[spare scaffold]

I have like one left and can’t find them

[foggy zinc]

i agree

[spare scaffold]

Not sure if it’s glitched or not.

[foggy zinc]

wouldn't be hard to implement imo since weapon highlighting exists

[tough spire]

The way they did weapon highlights always reminds me of Left4Dead

[bright valley]

I'm not sure of a good way to deal with the "hidden suspects" problem since they're the primary force you're up against, but I really think the "hidden civilians" problem should be easily solvable.

[uncut nacelle]

or payday 2 bags lol idk

[stone stump]

i feel like trailers should do that as a feature. they just go in when it's "safe" and collect whatever you might've missed. it will take some time, so it's not going to be used all the time

[bright valley]

Like once the suspects are all dealt with, the gameplay loop is over.

[tough spire]

Payday is literally left4dead but cops

[uncut nacelle]

imagine a horde of dozers

but you are leech with akimbos

[tough spire]

okay Greased Palms on my ironman run. Let's see how quick and easy this ends up being.

(Watch me die in room 1)

[uncut nacelle]

outside is my fav part ngl

[bright valley]

could be like one of my runs where i was getting shot at almost immediately upon spawning in somehow

[spare scaffold]

Yeah it just gets annoying

[tough spire]

They can spawn in the front lobby thingy but it's very rare

[uncut nacelle]

What S tiers should i try to do (Besides Sinious Trail...)

[bright valley]

I think I was getting shot all the way from the break room building on the far right

[stone stump]

hide and seek

[tough spire]

Good lord

[bright valley]

Yeah, it was a freak scenario

[uncut nacelle]

Favorite one, literally a call of duty action

port has other achievement aint it, with flash, tazer i think

[stone bay]

I just got an unauthorized use of force violation for muzzle bashing a cuffed suspect. That's new

[bright valley]

Seems entirely reasonable though.

[stone bay]

It is, but I like it. Adds an extra dose of realism

[tough spire]

Naw, that's been there

Don't ask me how I'm so sure of this

[uncut nacelle]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art older pics

[bright valley]

George M would know 👀

[tough spire]

Listen, sometimes you gotta give 'em a little Law Lump to remember you by.

[bright valley]

oh hell, shield window's glare has fucked off entirely.

I saw that in the patch notes but did not expect it to be this clear

[hasty oak]

did they improve replay
or is still buggy

[bright valley]

no wait it's still there, just really reduced. nice

[tough spire]

Does it still have a convenient bullet hole right where your laser dot should be?

[feral sequoia]

rate the newest ron update 1-10 i'd say 9.5 -.5 from not enough suspects

[bright valley]

oh i'm sure it does but we'll see.

[uncut nacelle]

guess what, theres no window in shield now

[bright valley]

Indeed it does lmao

[dreamy garden]

Whats the best way to clear the fisa office area, I typically go top and snipe but swat is genuinely useless and Im out of util by then

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message SKILL ISSUE

[stone bay]

I had mods installed that removed ROE relating to suspects, so that’s probably why I’m seeing that for the first time.

[bright valley]

Holy crap I incapped a 4U suspect with a Five-seveN to the forehead. Meth, man.

[native rune]

I love shooting obstacles that aren’t rendered

[tough spire]

Huh? It's absolutely rendered on both images my man. This was a me problem.

[bright valley]

I did it again

[native rune]

Oh I gotchu

I thought you were talking about a guy who was there and recreating the situation with the images

[tough spire]

No he was behind that box and a little to the left

He had a killer keyhole on me

[feral sequoia]

w update

ai is fair as fuck now just add more suspects with some roaming aspects from popular ai rework mods and it'll be a 10/10

[bright valley]

Eh, I'd rather it not get too spammy with numbers

[feral sequoia]

no not by alot of suspect number just like a 10%-15% increase

[tough spire]

Annnnnd greased done first try me taking point...

[feral sequoia]

i think the tripwire bombs could added to more maps also not neccessarily the amount of them though

[tough spire]

The real terminator AI were the players who got trained off of last patch after all

[smoky vine]

I wish those AI assets were replaced with handmade ones

I get the point of AI assets as a placeholder for smaller companies but RoN got pretty big. I'm sure they have enough money to hire some freelancer to make art.

[bright valley]

I was totally expecting that to be the case, which is why I definitely want people to give it time. There's a term for when you train at more extreme parameters than you normally would operate at, but it eludes me.

Kind of like learning a song on guitar at a faster tempo than you intend to perform it.

[tough spire]

oh yay. They finally fixed the floating armor bug on team cam

[bright valley]

fuck yeah

the little fixes like that are really icing on the cake to the more substantial stuff

i'm super chuffed that SWAT can open doors they're stacked on and that tasers can actually use more than one slot now, all that stuff

[tough spire]

Oh they can open doors again!?

[bright valley]

yessss

hammer and anvil tactic is back on the menu

alright so the suspect tweaks haven't made pepper spray any less shit but we'll take our victories

[smoky vine]

I can't change guns?

I'm clicking the thing but it won't change

[stone bay]

Remove Gunfighter

[frozen leaf]

boys, did they fix the enemy AI finaly

[smoky vine]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frozen leaf]

im just reading a hotfix update

[tough spire]

Do they still snap to you?

[smoky vine]

I think so

[smoky vine]

nvm I'll stick with my gun

[frozen leaf]

HELLYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[bright valley]

yes, and it still takes the whole can lol

[foggy zinc]

launch in safe mode, change loadout, relaunch with mods

[bright valley]

i'm pretty much nitpicking though

[smoky vine]

that works too lmao

thanks

[foggy zinc]

np lol

[tough spire]

I bet taser only runs are much more viable now between the AI and the lack of ammo cap.

[bright valley]

the lack of ammo cap is huge

[tough spire]

Funny that they reduced amount though. I get the feeling they never expected us to carry so much

[formal nacelle]

getting ready to play for the first time

[bright valley]

wanna ditch all your lethal munitions for 24 cartridges of high voltage bullshit? knock yourself out

[tough spire]

Enjoy! We're here to help with advice and stuff if you need it

Whoa. Weird minor thing but they made it easier to shoot out the Voll windows on the top floor.

[bright valley]

How so?

[spare scaffold]

Are modded maps not working

[foggy zinc]

OK load in now feels much longer than usual for some reason.

[tough spire]

You weren't previously able to look down this far
#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[foggy zinc]

Nothing is crashing but wowzers loading from splash to main menu and main to lobby is much longer.

[formal brook]

guys whats the best gun(s) for brisa cove?

[hasty oak]

they fixed the missing sounds on the coffee machine
absolutely scintillating stuff

[tough spire]

Hard to go wrong with a P90

[foggy zinc]

any rifle imo lol, shotty might also work since I don't think they have super heavy armour and you can just spam them.

[formal brook]

aight

[willow glen]

Your preferred 5.56

[novel walrus]

Man the game is so easy now

[sand jackal]

Anyone else having trouble changing secondaries?

[formal brook]

ive tried using the SA-58 but so far ive failed (prob bc its best on valley of the dolls and its chambered in 7.62x51mm Nato)

[feral sequoia]

the more ppl that say this will make the game dogshit now, it's because of the lack of suspects

the balancing is fucking amazing

[tough spire]

SA-58 is always the best answer.

[feral sequoia]

try playing on ugc maps and you'll see

[stone bay]

I now have an MCX chambered in .458 SOCOM

[tough spire]

Dreaming of a Scar-H since they gave us the L for some reason

[bright valley]

SA-58 is less good on some of the missions where it doesn't one-shot. Better off running like a .300BLK or 5.56 rifle to two-shot with less recoil in those cases.

[formal brook]

im pretty sure the MK16 is an FN SCAR despite the fact they added an M4A1 buffer tube stock to it

[tough spire]

ROFL. Just got the voice line "I wonder if the girl knows? Or the wife?" while in Voll's basement arresting them both.

[tough spire]

The SCAR-L is Mk16, yes. They are same thing.

And it fixed a bunch of problems the M4 had and was largely enjoyed by special forces but got canned for the M4Block II and the SCAR-H is the only thing that stuck around in the USA (other countries use the SCAR-L more) so it's weird we have an L and not an H.

(Alternatively, Mk16 and Mk17)

[rich bobcat]

did they lower the range on the beanbag?

[foggy zinc]

That's why mods exist 👍

Nothing said in the patch notes so maybe they silent nerfed it

[rich bobcat]

cause it seems like its losing accuracy longer range

or it just doesnt hit as hard

[foggy zinc]

That's kinda how the bean bag is tbh

[rich bobcat]

no

[foggy zinc]

am spreading misinformation

[rich bobcat]

like

i didnt hit from the range of the staircase to the second part of roof to that lil food table on sinuous

[foggy zinc]

i have no clue what you're on about lmao

[rich bobcat]

hmm

lemme find a map

[tough spire]

Beanbag used to have insane range and effectiveness at range

You could reach out across the parking lots on Greased with it

[rich bobcat]

yea they had to have nerfed it

cause i remember it being really banger

[tough spire]

Anyone know why they removed the Safety on your gun?

[rich bobcat]

cause id say no one used it,may be wrong tho

[bright valley]

Probably just an underutilized feature, holding X lets you check your firing mode now which is frankly more useful.

[stone bay]

It didn't fit the story

Like all the other good content they took

[tough spire]

This is the best answer I could hope for.

I liked being able to safety once all threats were eliminated. But like, yeah probably a me issue.

[frail quartz]

Oh damn, you can do that?

[stone bay]

Nah I'm with you it should be an option I miss click way too often

[bright valley]

Yeah, no more going "Did I put this on full auto? [click X] whoops yeah I did but not anymore, [click click]."

[tough spire]

The way my keyboard and mouse are situated I occasionally slap the keyboard with my left click and misfire. Feels really professional.

[winged jolt]

YOO they finally fixed wallbanging

[fading quiver]

BULLSHIT

[bright valley]

Your Judge just has a really severe anxiety disorder.

[stone bay]

I wouldn't feel like a real swat agent if I didn't have negligent disfire

[tough spire]

The sounds are back but still no move speed buff 😔

[tough spire]

Ugh I play games to escape real life.

[hasty oak]

yo all the civvies surrender now when rescue all civilians objective is the only one left

[foggy zinc]

WE CAN HEAR OUR OFFICER SIPPING THE COFFEE NOW?

[tough spire]

Yup

And the clickety clacks of the vending machine

[foggy zinc]

best update ever

ya'll can't say a thing now

[bright valley]

I joke but I legitimately get little adrenaline spikes while playing tense games sometimes and it's super annoying lol

[winged jolt]

im just happy they fixed wallbanging lol

[tough spire]

I just plowed through from Lethal Obsession all the way up to Elephant like it was nothing on my ironman. Good gracious.

[winged jolt]

and the suspect aimbots

[bright valley]

Like I know I'm not in any real danger but lol shaky hands fuck you

[tough spire]

The best shooters are inadvertent horror games. If you don't jump a foot in the air because a sniper surprised you, you aren't playing ArmA hard enough.

[winged jolt]

chemlight out

devours glowstick

[stone bay]

That explains the crispy crunch, 10/10 would try at least once

[bitter mason]

aight I can conclude the ai changes are definitely very nice, they just need to chill a bit with the aggression as I've said a bajillion times now

[tough spire]

New AI behaviors on Elephant are interesting.

[bright valley]

Oh? Haven't tried it out yet.

[foggy zinc]

Wassup?

[tough spire]

I just had 3 guys hit me at once, the third of which escaped, shot a kid, and tried to hide in a room while we chased him. Fourth was somewhere completely different

[foggy zinc]

lmao

It appears the AI is more aggressive now huh?

or am i just wrong

[tough spire]

Yes but in the right way this time.

[foggy zinc]

Honestly from the sounds of it, the AI is pretty good now lol

Idk if AI mods are obsolete now or I'm just yapping too hard

[tough spire]

The part of me that enjoyed the absurd difficulty is a little grumpy, but all the bogus things that this fixed is making the rest of me much happier with this game.

Step in the right direction. Still not there, but if this where it ended I wouldn't be heartbroken.

[winged jolt]

they fixed wallbanging 🥹

[smoky elk]

Is, there a a way to enter the doors of the sullivans house? Cause don't all the doors have explosive devices around them?

[tough spire]

You can disarm them 😉

[smoky elk]

Not really sure how to do that. I recently started playing about 3-4 days ago.

[hasty oak]

i think the performance has improved. nice
still slowdowns when swat ai stack up on certain areas of a map, but some other parts feel way smoother

[tough spire]

They show you in the tutorial iirc. But you need to use your multitool on the wire.

Alternatively, you can C2/breaching shottie the door from a safe distance

[foggy zinc]

They don't sadly

Yes C2 is a more fun and effective approach indeed

[stone bay]

New update out? Should I remove all mods?

Or can I keep the ones that don’t affect gameplay like gun replacement mods?

[foggy zinc]

Keep em if you want. Gunfighter appears to be disabling weapon swapping in loadouts tho so take that info as you will.

[stone bay]

All good. So I’ll just remove gameplay-affecting mods like Gunfighter, AI mods

[tough spire]

Judge still says "Bagging it up" when you report the boat in the caves. Literally unplayable.

[stone bay]

Brighter chemlights

[stone bay]

You don’t believe he can put that whole boat in the evidence bag?

[tough spire]

Look if the boat disappeared and an evidence baggy appeared I'd both die laughing and also accept it.

[foggy zinc]

do not underestimate the LSPD

[stone bay]

I wish you could report the coyote, skinwalker, whatever the fuck that is in the caves

Istg if people complain the AI is way too easy again

[tough spire]

Already have

[stone bay]

Which, I might expect

Considering they’re either Terminators or just a cakewalk

[foggy zinc]

"AI needs more crack"

[stone bay]

More Crack For AI mod incoming

[tough spire]

Where is this?

[stone bay]

You’ll just see glowing eyes in the main cartel cave where you reported the boat

[foggy zinc]

Pause

My judge VO has been replaced

what the scallops void interactive

[tough spire]

I'm there now, is it over the water or up high or what

[stone bay]

In the dark areas

[tough spire]

ohhhh found it. Blinking eyes

[stone bay]

Yih

[foggy zinc]

WHAAAT

THEY REPLACED ALL MUH VO FILES

[tough spire]

My officers are perpetually stressed jfc.

[foggy zinc]

good

[tough spire]

Sins of a Father lets goooooo

[foggy zinc]

run it with a flashlight only for maximum nightmare fuel

In a dark room as well

[tough spire]

I am running only flashlight

[bitter mason]

Tends to happen when theres little variation other than shooting at you
And when the roe system stinks

[stone bay]

Oh I forgot I’m gonna play Vanilla again

I have to deal with the RoE

I got used to the RoE of “No Mercy For Terrorists” mod

[bitter mason]

Its more the roe isnt really there unless you shoot unaware suspects

You can guarantee suspects will shoot at you so its really only there to tick a box rn

Ive always found the roe to be super lenient
Which is helpful when suspects suddenly decide to surrender after plugging me with bullets and i start shooting back

[stone bay]

I’m bringing back the “No Stress For SWAT” mod immediately if my team gets anxious after 1 mission

[bitter mason]

They changed the stress a bit

[stone bay]

Yeah I read

Gonna run through the game vanilla for a couple of missions

[fickle glacier]

Anyone else having issues with their SWAT teammates not taking instructions to breach and such? I think it might be due to a AI mod I was using conflicting with the AI changes in the update. Deleted the mod, didn't help. Now I deleted the game to reinstall.

[bitter mason]

Ive not even touched commander mode since like day 1 or 2

[tough spire]

I feel like my officers are more stressed than usual

[stone bay]

Well maybe not Vanilla. I like my brighter chemlights

[cosmic parrot]

I wish they still let us restrain headless suspects. It was funny.

[bitter mason]

I never actually figured that was a bug

Like they still got hands, why not tie em

[stone bay]

It’s normal. Even before the fix

They get stuck a lot or stand around

[foggy zinc]

fellow brighter chemlight user

[cosmic parrot]

I thought it would make it easier for the trailers to pick them up

[stone bay]

even if you reset them with “Fall In” command

[foggy zinc]

if i were a trailer idk if i want blood on my shoulder like that

[stone bay]

“Suspect cuffed and secured.”

[fickle glacier]

Nah, this is different. They ain't stuck. They will still fall in and stuff like that as a quick command. It's like they adknowledge the command for maybe one second, then it just disappears. Anyway like I said. Going for the clean install.

[stone bay]

Oh yeah that happens as well

You gotta issue the command twice

I’ve had it happen multiple times

[fickle glacier]

I did like 4 times. Restarted the mission twice.

[stone bay]

[fickle glacier]

I mean regardless after an update with a big AI adjustment deleting any AI mods, and going for the clean install is probably a good idea in general.

[foggy zinc]

SITREP I CANT EVEN GET TO THE GAS STATION DOOR WITHOUT GET SHOT AT NOW WTF

it appears they've learnt my tactics

[stone bay]

I just remove all mods and das it. Since I have backup files of those mods anyway. I don’t clean install

Maybe verify files at most

[fickle glacier]

I mean I don't use any crazy mods anyway. So deleting any ain't that big a deal to me.

[stone bay]

Long as they don’t have perfect accuracy + reaction times faster than F1 drivers I may be good

[stone bay]

Same

[fickle glacier]

Aside from the AI mod I deleted I only have like one or two more I was using.

[stone bay]

I have a lot of cosmetic mods + gun replacement mods Then “Surefire Flashlights” for brighter flashlights

[foggy zinc]

They don't but it caught me off guard lol. Also CS gas is way easier to see through now.

[fickle glacier]

I should get that one if I get this worked out. The default flashlights in this game are so dim, lol.

[stone bay]

[stone bay]

Yeah my phone flashlight works better than default flashlight in game

[fickle glacier]

Anyway like I said. Think it's just an issue of mod conflict. I'm sure I can get it fixed. If not guess I can just play with other people instead of AI, lol.

[hasty oak]

ai seems fair-er now. tried brisa, still tough but no instakill

[stone bay]

encounters the preacher

[stone bay]

My go-to maps will be Ides of March, Greased Palms, Valley of the Dolls, Sins of the Father, and Neon Tomb to thoroughly check the AI

[hasty oak]

what about mindjot

[stone bay]

Not a threat for me

But the ones I mentioned gave me the hardest times even with an AI mod

[fickle glacier]

It seems to be working now.

[grand harness]

Sorry first time typing in here but I was wondering since the game is on sale if I should buy it. I see a lot of people genuinely speak down on the A.I and how they ruin the game but I also don’t know if they’re just crying just to cry but I’ve been contemplating buying it since 1.0 dropped

[tough spire]

It was mostly just crying but also they just nerfed and reworked the AI today so it's way easier.

[grand harness]

Awesome thanks man! Looking forward to it

[tough spire]

Have fun!

[fickle glacier]

Still having issues. But also starting to look like it's just certain doors they are having issues with.

[barren finch]

AI feels good after the fix yeah, and regardless of that the game's moddable and a bunch of fun with modders' fixers prior to this

[foggy zinc]

with the SWAT AI?

[frail pier]

At this point Swat are the ones "Ready" and the suspects are "Not"

[foggy zinc]

i in fact am ready to have fun with the game now

[fickle glacier]

Yeah. It ain't that big an issue honestly.

[frail pier]

AI just act stupid now and cant shoot. GG

[hasty oak]

i dont like when swat ai move in and clear but become mixed up. like having blue with red, instead of both being blue

[inland wolf]

does nutritionist stack

[formal nacelle]

man, the difference between high graphics and epic is crazy

[hasty oak]

it is
tried on brisa and lighting suddenly is drastically different

[thorn knot]

Does anyone know what VO was added to Penthouse?

[formal nacelle]

so, is it normal to just get forced into commander mode?

[foggy zinc]

pretty much, its how void wants you to play the game, thought Practice mode is totally fine and doesn't have the micro-management of Commander mode

[zenith granite]

Suspects AI have worse aim now?

Just reading the patch notes rn

[bitter mason]

Slightly worse i think

Still deadly

[crude prism]

significantly worse across almost the entire board

based on this #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[bitter mason]

I found it more fun

Played it with one of my friends only death was cause one dude just ignored the cs gas

[cloud moth]

Whoever thought these death animations were good needs to be fired immediately

some gta san andreas level animations

[bitter mason]

Wack
They look great

Some a little silly when they launch their hands in the air

[cloud moth]

they are laughably bad

most of them are silly

[bitter mason]

Look fine to me
Some very good

[cloud moth]

shouldnt be any animation for getting a hole through your head

https://tenor.com/view/ufc-johnny-ko-tko-goodnight-gif-24944318

[bitter mason]

Silliest imo is the movie death shake thing which likes to trigger even when you only shoot them once

[torpid citrus]

okay and do you think it will run well on my m3 mac?

[bright valley]

Only time I've seen the death animations look bad is when they die on a slope and kind of plank in mid-air before ragdolling.

[terse lance]

Anyone experience crashing to desktop after leaving or opening loadout menu?

[bitter mason]

I quite like the animations, looks better than the instant ragdoll

[tough spire]

I just wish I'd stop getting ragdoll arms through doors

[normal patrol]

they way some enemies can blast through walls objects but we as SWAT cannot

zakly!! yeah..

[crude prism]

Everyone keeps claiming this, and then not showing me any evidence at all lmao

[tough spire]

Like what?

[hasty oak]

besides imagine swat officers irl going around wallbanging

[normal patrol]

ohhh snap.. np brov.. I'll keep your username in mind next time I catch a recording

[normal patrol]

Naw I'd rather no one can

[tough spire]

Why no one?

[crude prism]

I've got to get some more time in, but it seems like whatever nerfs they put on the AI penetrating damage + accuracy changes makes wallbanging nonexistent/way less cancerous

[hasty oak]

suspects got standards

[normal patrol]

enemies shoot through doors and when alert and firing I've lost shootouts to boook shelvs thin lockers even 6" brick walls

[normal patrol]

I think reaction time is a tiny bit above accuracy in terms of what the prob with the AI is. You got crackheads outgunning professionals

[tough spire]

Are you even playing today's patch?

[crude prism]

Reaction time unfortunately always has to be fast (for already alerted suspects), because otherwise players can effortlessly win gunfights without any consideration. Accuracy is what I would decrease first

[normal patrol]

naw I havent tried it yet but I have made my own mod and fixed damage output and reaction time and accuracy and strafe shooting

[tough spire]

Your information is outdated my dude.

[normal patrol]

okay... lets wait and see if they worked their magic

[bitter mason]

Maybe they could fix that by not having every suspect resort to shooting on sight
Sure you can easily blaze through and shoot everyone but then youre racking up roe penalties and objectively playing the game wrong

Game seems like it wants to be a twitch shooter

[tough spire]

Some flee and/or murder themselves already.

[bitter mason]

Not very often from my experience

And if they do run they do it shooting

[tough spire]

I've seen more fleeing today than before.

And hiding and corner camping

[bitter mason]

Ive had a few shoot then run, non just straight up running
And none hiding

[bright valley]

I don't think it wants to be a twitch shooter, if anything the excessively fast response times combined with laser accuracy discouraged taking any fair fights at all.

[bitter mason]

But i was more successful with flashing rooms and arresting, even so it usually ended with majority shot still

[bright valley]

The problem was just that it's hard to go an entire mission without getting into at least a few fair fights, and you don't want those to screw your entire run.

[inland wolf]

can someone please tell me if officer qualifs stack

[tough spire]

Literally, just right now, had a guy flee on me, take cover and hide on the car map.

[bitter mason]

But it also manages to discourage slow plays since youd still get lasered anyways, it rewards fast reactions and twitch shooting kills, especially due to suspects always shooting first running later

[normal patrol]

idk I modded their health so a single shot of a large 762 would likely kill them. very satisfying, realistic imo 1-2 shots from a rile fairly well placed should kill someone

[bright valley]

I'm pretty much talking about before today's hotfix, mind you.

[bitter mason]

The psyop
Maybe the theory that every copy is different is true cause i never have armed suspects flee

[normal patrol]

their cheap walmart vests.. Im SWAT..

[inland wolf]

anyone going to answer

[bitter mason]

Idk probably

[inland wolf]

thats not very helpful

[normal patrol]

I wouldnt say their abilities make or break anything

[tough spire]

Most do, some only by 2

[bitter mason]

You wanted an answer

[inland wolf]

this is an answer

[bitter mason]

So is mine

[inland wolf]

so if i were to use two nutritionists id have more hp

[tough spire]

Yes. Nutritionist stacks 4 times with diminishing returns

[inland wolf]

lmao

[bright valley]

@bunger https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3118547658

@ didn't work but whatever

[shrewd oriole]

The Los senuos should get ONE bradley M2A4

[bitter mason]

One nuke as a treat

[tough spire]

Only one?

[shrewd oriole]

Los seunos mechanized devision

[crude prism]

We need at least 4 for a proper fighting group

And 4 tanks for the bradleys to backup

[shrewd oriole]

Ofcourse

[tough spire]

I wouldn't want a tank in this scenario. An IFV, though....

[shrewd oriole]

Give them 4 Abrams for self defense

[clever relic]

anyone know how to optimize the game, i have all low settings and im getting hella frame drops and stutters with a rx6750xt and 5600x
game is genuinely unplayable at moments

ive tried searching up so many yt vids

[bitter mason]

Is there still a comical number of natural and societal disasters present in los seunos

[normal patrol]

Sniper Or Not giving me access to LMG is pretty insane

[tough spire]

Try turning your graphics up to medium

[shrewd oriole]

Barricaded suspect? 120mm APFSDS would fix it

[normal patrol]

[crude prism]

120mm canister shot for crowd-control

[bitter mason]

Hostage situation? Undisclosed sedative gas will do the trick

[normal patrol]

just gonna bring a can of gas next time and... attempt to... smoke em out...

nobody likes fire..

[shrewd oriole]

A single M1A2 could probably clear out hokan.

Give em a leopard 2a6 for good measure

[tough spire]

It wouldn't even have room to manuever

I'm tellin' you, IFV's are where it's at.

[shrewd oriole]

Just go over or through the obstacles.

[tough spire]

Only if you get RoE penalizations for all the property damage

[mighty elbow]

just put a dual 50cal turret on the armored car or a toyota tacoma with a diska on the back to the LSPD and port would be clear in a few minutes

[shrewd oriole]

-100 points for destroying an entire city block with tank

[mighty elbow]

+300 points for clearing the port in record time

[tough spire]

Taliban Technical? C'mon now.

[shrewd oriole]

Swat technical*

All I'm saying is if I'm a ruffian who just barricaded myself into a house and see a tank roll up? I'm surrendering

Know the suspects in game though they'd find an RPG to fight back

[rustic pine]

Play with LSFG on DX11. FPS DOUBLED https://youtu.be/oZyt2dGwnN8

[tough spire]

I want an XCOM-style campaign mode where you have to deal with all the logistics and public backlash from your actions but that definitely allows armored vehicles.

[shrewd oriole]

Is AI still broke?

[tough spire]

Yes but in a different way now.

[bitter mason]

What way?

Id consider them still broke but ive said my piece enough haha

[tough spire]

They are not cracked out anymore, they're quite easy. But they do some really weird shit still, even moreso than before.

[stone bay]

I am

[bitter mason]

They seem just as dumb as before, charging out to die is nothing new, theyre just less accurate but i find it more fun

[tough spire]

I keep having them randomly shooting somewhere in the map at seemingly nothing.

[stone bay]

Is it like EA AI?

[bitter mason]

They still seem accurate enough so that if you’re caught off guard they can kill you

[bitter mason]

A classic

[crude prism]

lmao you can totally headshot people and they live, loooooooooooooooooool

Just shoot Adams in the head and then arrest him LMAO

amazing

[mighty elbow]

yeah those things are awesome and impressive they work somehow after driving through the desert for like 50 million years it seems and i doubt the taliban have great mechanics

[tough spire]

It's because they're Toyota.

[mighty elbow]

the tanks would destroy/shred the roads a swat/taliban technical or a swat truck with dual 50cals would be smarter

[stone bay]

"I Shouldn't Be Alive" season 7 (new release)

[broken haven]

after 90 years ive completed the isles of march

[crude prism]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

Ez cheezy

[bright valley]

Blindfiring, usually.

[tough spire]

Def. just wallbanged someone who was blindfiring a moment ago on the dealership map.

[bright valley]

I also think there might be some sort of behavior when they're very stressed and see a dead ally?

[stone bay]

The Batman equivalent of "Now talk."

[tough spire]

Yeah I've heard them get in weird dialogue deathloops of "oh shit he's down!" or something and they are stuck like that

[normal trout]

my whole squad was just massacred in carriers of the vine

[stone bay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/s/VitzJM5t6s damn that’s a really detailed post

[olive idol]

yo, why is Judge's Plates floating?

[shrewd oriole]

The ai needs to be smarter

So far no issues from accuracy but them being more wise in decision making would be cool.

They still rush to their deaths and refuse to surrender in a scenario any normal human would

[calm shuttle]

Anyone ever get into a lobby with a guy called Delta 09?

Goofiest guy ever I swear

[pallid zephyr]

google is better tho fr

[broken haven]

fuck google

[pallid zephyr]

cope and seeth BING

google gang

[broken haven]

gonna have to elaborate you fucking dork

"Seeth"?

[pallid zephyr]

use bing to find out what it means BING USER

[stone bay]

Damn they nerfed the suspects to the ground lol

Just cleared brisa cove and didn't even need to try

[shrewd oriole]

Based

[broken haven]

stfu with ur goofy ass capital letters kid

[shrewd oriole]

RoN is healing

[gleaming fable]

🙏

[pallid zephyr]

bing is angy

[stone bay]

Back to playing like cod lol not complaining

[pallid zephyr]

bad browser!

[broken haven]

im not angy? lmao learn to spell

[pallid zephyr]

Erm, minor grammar mistake!

hypocrite detected

[broken haven]

i didnt judge your grammar. what the fuck is angy?

[pallid zephyr]

context clues

[broken haven]

you're a bigman arent you

big strong man!!

[pallid zephyr]

you're a BINGman aren't you

[broken haven]

get ur money up not ur funny up bud

[shrewd oriole]

Mfs when the suspects one shot wall banging you is considered deep and engaging gameplay and isn't just annoying and unfun

[silk junco]

send me your pfp pretty please mr crunch

[pallid zephyr]

bro you're bing, you're broke

google superiority

[shrewd oriole]

What is blud yapping about

[pallid zephyr]

stay losing bozo

[broken haven]

its a username you clown

[pallid zephyr]

it is I'm proud of you

[broken haven]

just cuz a username is bing aint mean i use a webbrowser you fucking idiot

[silk junco]

i want your profile pic

[pallid zephyr]

you should change your name it's very misleading

[shrewd oriole]

Just look up funny cat

[silk junco]

that’s too much workkkkk 🥺

[pallid zephyr]

bing keeps being edgy but getting shut down lmaoo

average bing user

[shrewd oriole]

And it's to much work for me to find the image again

[broken haven]

yours is even more misleading, "asschomp" doesnt get much ass

[shrewd oriole]

Softlocked

[formal nacelle]

who the hell volunteers to call themselves "bing"?

[pallid zephyr]

mad cope bro quit using bing dawg!

[broken haven]

who calls themself cyborg

[formal nacelle]

someone who thinks cyborgs are cool

[broken haven]

get sum ass before you call urself "Asschomp"

[silk junco]

fight fight fight

[olive idol]

didn't bing get their ass kicked in Marvel vs Capcom

[broken haven]

you're a loser arent you

[pallid zephyr]

bro your dad is my asschomp

[shrewd oriole]

Most calm and collected people on the internet:

[crude prism]

hey look they swung the AI pendulum again #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[unique forum]

lmao

[broken haven]

tf are you yapping about?

[pallid zephyr]

bro I was just making a joke bing is hella insecure don't blame me

[shrewd oriole]

Ever repeating cycle

[broken haven]

not insecure at all lmao? you shit talked first

[formal nacelle]

you're getting mad over nothing, a clear sign of loser syndrome

and insecurity

[broken haven]

stop doing blackflips on it lil bro

[pallid zephyr]

I made fun of your name bro holy crud lmaooo

it was such a mid insult too

[shy tulip]

This is so sad

[pallid zephyr]

I said he uses the bing web browser and he got pressed 😭

[broken haven]

still yapping

[mighty elbow]

i use bing

[pallid zephyr]

takes a yapper to see a yapper

[mighty elbow]

but i ain't mad

[crude prism]

Neon guys didn't even get hit with a raw accuracy nerf like a bunch of other maps did, whatever the new system is, it's uh certainly doing something

[formal nacelle]

default pfp, lame name, yeah, he's a fed plant

[shrewd oriole]

I get he was moving and what not but zero rounds landing is goofy

[broken haven]

blackflipping on it is crazy, zip it up

hop off it and zip it up bud

[pallid zephyr]

you have two terabytes at least

[crude prism]

Call me Neo 😎

[olive idol]

bro has beef in the RoN discord 😭

[shrewd oriole]

Dodging bullets unmoving is crazy

[broken haven]

i didnt even start it lmao 💀 they just glazing atp

[shrewd oriole]

The new accuracy doesn't seem abhorid. But I'll have to see

Better then the slop that was terminator suspects.

[shy tulip]

Anyway, move on from that

[gleaming fable]

omae wa mou shindeiru ai

[olive idol]

when is my Plate Carrier gonna stay attached to my body?

[shrewd oriole]

Never, apparently

[stone bay]

[mighty elbow]

wdym?

[tough spire]

okay back from dinner time for Cherryessa ironman...

[crude prism]

AI too easy during Adam, AI too hard on 1.0 release, AI now incompetent as seen in clip linked above. full mag at like 7meters doesn't hit me once

[normal patrol]

nowadays they'll fly a handheld drone with c4 taped to it and fly it right through a window

[crude prism]

modern warfare sure is something huh?

[normal patrol]

very not cool tho imo

[crude prism]

"unsportsmanlike" lets go back to trenches and one billion artillery shells every day

Oh wait they're doing that too

[dreamy garden]

Stupid question but does firing count as a death or something for ironman/no deaths

[normal patrol]

true but lets not go so far back we wait to see the whites of their eyes.. which is fair tho. I htink combat should be mano a mano

[dreamy garden]

any sort of removal of officers from the question

[crude prism]

yes, you cannot lose any officers from the roster, of your own volition or otherwise

[olive idol]

when can I box the Meth Head?

[dreamy garden]

Ok so I have to completely restart because I just fired someone who had clumsy in his description and 1 year of experience?

[tough spire]

Warfare is fascinating because it's where human innovation comes out at its most raw.

[crude prism]

[dreamy garden]

I was 70 some odd percent through

[plain blaze]

^^^^^

[normal patrol]

only because the effort is pointed at killing people.. when it was to go to the moon.. we were on the right track.. an arms race.. is fkn backward mentality

[crude prism]

can we just remove infantry and only fight in cool ass murder vehicles like tanks

[normal patrol]

yeh its all remote controlled terminators now. Suddenly they need gamers more than ever..

[tough spire]

When it's kill or be killed all the stops are pulled out. The moon wasn't life or death and now we have a joke for a space program.

[dreamy garden]

Please don't tell me its actually that picky

[crude prism]

bro I knew we never should've stopped funding nasa, we're gonna get space communazis!

[normal patrol]

I have no doubt mankind will end in a really big but stupid boom or a really really sad whimper of its own making

[dreamy garden]

I've gotten such horrible luck with my officer traits

and years of experience

[tough spire]

I'm not sold on the great filter theory but it's probably the most likely.

[dreamy garden]

Theyve all been kickers and moral officers

[normal patrol]

I've never looked at my officers, they dont last long in vanilla 😛 once the ai is fixed with mods I dont really need them unless I want to roleplay

[stone bay]

That was a reroll in the making

With this new update, I might not even need an Armorer anymore

[normal patrol]

🤣

[tough spire]

I'm sincerely debating removing all my steel and doing light/ceramic.

Or kevlar.

[shrewd oriole]

So far the suspects are good

[normal patrol]

Oh homie join the no armor squad!

[stone bay]

Stab Vest patrol officer RPs can now be done

[normal patrol]

min armor and p90 jkjk

[sharp fulcrum]

do it the ai is so useless now u wont ever die anyways

[normal patrol]

the truth about balance is this > who is beating who to the punch first.. thats why I think reaction times for the AI is a tiny bit more key than actual accuracy which shouldn't be better than a trained professional. What you end up with is one of two realities.. barring strict use of ROE your a gov hitman who is dropping them like flies

[stone bay]

Watch the coming days of people complaining the AI is too easy now

It really is a cycle at this point

[normal patrol]

think about IRL, you dont go ham bc you're not allowed to, but if you had a supernova or lmg like RPD firing 762 and you light up a room full of crackheads... u win bro.. u win..

the realistic reality is.. you.. are.. a trained.. professional.. you hear the boom of gunshots all day.. you practied with flashbangs.. you know their power..

[stone bay]

Speaking of Flashes, I do hope they buff them

[tough spire]

Portlander here - flashbangs suck.

[normal patrol]

a flash irl should empty any apartment in 23GBs

[tough spire]

No way. They're temporarily disorienting and work best in low light settings.

[stone bay]

Imagine if they let us double flash a room

[tough spire]

You can if there's two doors 🥲

[normal patrol]

I mean concussions which is what they should have given us

[stone bay]

Simul-breaches are a given

[crude prism]

Traits still broke 🙃

[tough spire]

In which way now

[sharp fulcrum]

not really

[stone bay]

Do we really need it tho with this current AI

[crude prism]

Same way, they deactivate when "unlocked", but are activated when locked

[dreamy garden]

Really?

[crude prism]

yup

[stone bay]

My comps are gonna look so weird now, now that I don't need Armorer or Nutritionist

[dreamy garden]

Wow

[stone bay]

Get myself a Riot Control, Negotiator, idk any at this point

[shrewd oriole]

Haven't been having such issues

Suspects having shite accuracy while moving makes sense but I think that suspects move and push to often

Also don't surrender enough

The AI feels fair and easy but the game lacks other needed systems to make their ai fun

Better surrenders, ranking, dynamic behaviors.

[stone bay]

Dynamic behaviours are defo my top factor when I tried out a lot of AI mods

[shrewd oriole]

The current accuracy when moving is fine, but things like them setting up actual ambushes, reactive cover, and other things would greatly improve it

Right now they're bland, flavorless, and can't hit shit

Imo difficulty shouldn't come from insanely hard suspects.

[tough spire]

I've had them do more interesting manuevers and corner camping and stuff on me since this patch.

[olive idol]

I fucking hate the ROE, it's so picky when it marks me dropping a active shooter as "unauthorized use of deadly force"

[shrewd oriole]

I've seen them do more interesting things but they're definitely still lacking

Things like slowly putting down their gun instead of the current jolting animation, you can have it but it fails to build tension and stress.

[formal nacelle]

weapon in hand should just immediately authorize lethal force

[sharp fulcrum]

it does not do that

then they already surrendered but you shot them anyways

[shrewd oriole]

Smarter ambushes and more likely surrenders would greatly improve AI.

[normal patrol]

say what you will but the first time I fired an Ak47 irl my whole body hurt, bones rang and my guts turned to mush.

[olive idol]

explain that to my Elephant run where I popped a shooter who was still up with a gun and it marked me

[sharp fulcrum]

also make the game way too easy though if all of them just surrender

[normal patrol]

in the ai mod make you can specify how far they will search for cover.. if you shorten the length they try to find cover much close and act more interesting

[sharp fulcrum]

well did he point it at you?

[crude prism]

thank god I only have an ak-15, it's like 30 AKs safer

[tough spire]

If this was an actual sim it would be

[sharp fulcrum]

i mean its not like that irl but sure

[olive idol]

motherfucker he is a active shooter, I ain't gonna make my existence known if I can end the threat

[normal patrol]

damn those are sexy

[formal nacelle]

if it was an actual sim we'd have no less than 2 screaming dummies following you around saying "Leave them alone!!"

[tough spire]

Once SWAT is deployed? Yes. Yes that is exactly how it works.

[normal patrol]

lol

I keep saying it, we just need a Terry Hunt mode with no ROE 😛

[plain blaze]

no i just played a game of relapse and i swear they made swat AI stupider

[shrewd oriole]

60-55% surrender. Difficulty comes from building stress and tension from trying to not shoot surrendering suspects. The remaining will smarly barricaded and set up ambushes with their allies

[stone bay]

I know 2 mods that does that. An AI mod + an RoE mod that lets you shoot on sight

[normal patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/plane-gif-13533645

[tough spire]

They even have a voice line implying that we have been in communication with the enemy before deployment. "Negotiations have broken down" etc.

[formal nacelle]

just played twisted nerve, hated it

[plain blaze]

i was taking fire and the bots would not move out of the way and i got lit up

some commands just break them

[normal patrol]

I have the whats it called No mercy.. but its not really a Terry Hunt, they still bring up ROE

[formal nacelle]

on top of the dark narrow rooms, i got shot through cave walls several times

[sharp fulcrum]

Well irl there would be 3 officers for each suspect and not 5 officers for 20 suspects

[formal nacelle]

plus side: i shot a junkie in the balls

[vestal mauve]

nice

[normal patrol]

🤣

[tough spire]

Again: this is not a sim

[normal patrol]

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects using actual teamwork and ambushes would make the game interesting and fun, while still being difficult without just cranking up the suspects aim

[vestal mauve]

A: videogame balancing
B: lore reason of the police being severely underfunded means your team is down to a few

[stone bay]

FigTree has a Terry Hunt version am sure https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/797

[normal patrol]

Im not a huge fan of things going full sim.. like groundbranch and the very particular spacing of your scope placemment.. where that Im here to kill meme

[olive idol]

when is the Wendigoon collab for the crazy old guy in the mountains?

[formal nacelle]

full sim mods are something i'd love to see though

[vestal mauve]

soon i think
wendigoon never met a right-wing nutjob he didn't like so the possibility remains

[tough spire]

For this to work as a sim it wouldn't be just SWAT.

[stone bay]

If we had full on police sim for RoN, we'd be doing paperworks 90% of the time

[tough spire]

National guard would be called for like a third of these engagements, not SWAT. We'd have way more support. yada yada

[vestal mauve]

the immersion of sitting in a patrol car for three hours only to ticket a guy for littering

[stone bay]

Other times we'll be on Patrol or doing detective work stuff depending on the officier

[formal nacelle]

i worked in a prison for yhears, you can't even tell the inmates to shut up without getting investigated

[normal patrol]

this 💯

[stone bay]

Imagine being security for Walmart tho lmao

or anywhere in Florida/Georgia

[vestal mauve]

you'd be doing paperwork for each guy you shot
two pages minimum per perp

[normal patrol]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/034/029/KV7wf9g7.jpg

[olive idol]

so why can't the D Boys get ECOTIs?

[stone bay]

Full detail as well and if your shot was justified

[shrewd oriole]

The removal of the RoE makes the game meaningless and boring

[normal patrol]

suspects surviving two shots to the chest of a 556 using a walmart vest..

[vestal mauve]

and then you get pulled into court by the criminal's family

[normal patrol]

yeah then you got therapy and psych evals

[formal nacelle]

i think it's time we just started making Robo Cops, the original kind and not the reboot version

[shrewd oriole]

Without an RoE the game is just go around shoot bad guy leave, in case you will always win because suspects are built around the RoE

[olive idol]

an ECOTI would make Police work way fucking easier

[shrewd oriole]

Kinda.

[olive idol]

so instead of Police, judge would be CAG?

[normal patrol]

they have to do a lot more incentive wise.. where are my camo unlocks

[vestal mauve]

if you dont want ROE, play R6 or Ground Branch
RoN is built around split second decisions and maintaining ROE

[normal patrol]

thats a fair reply

[shrewd oriole]

Based response

[olive idol]

the ROE should be a base by base thing instead of just the shitty woobie it is now

[normal patrol]

the mechanics like the free lean and door peak a lot to like about this game

[formal nacelle]

Where's the suspects saying "i can't breathe" when you're 5 feet away from them?

[shrewd oriole]

RoN is a swat game, of course they'll be an RoE and it won't change around what you want it to be to make it easier, that's the challenge of the game.

[normal patrol]

😳

🤣

[olive idol]

the ROE shouldn't be the same for both a Active Shooter and a Compound Raid

Different Ops so Different Rules

[vestal mauve]

the ROE is strangely ironclad in this game too
in IRL, if i didn't drop my gun and just stood there while 5 armed SWAT officers are screaming at me to do so, i'd be sent to the shadow realm

[stone bay]

No more than 3 shouts and I'd be dead

[tough spire]

If you were still holding a gun by the time SWAT saw you and weren't immediately putting it down you would be shot just as immediately.

[normal patrol]

yeah I respect the need for ROE dev wise but sometimes its silly. A club filled with dead bodies dudes with lmgs and Im supposed to ask them to kindly lay on the ground for me???

ROE for hostages.. not so much ROE for Terry situations..

[vestal mauve]

yeah some missions get a little silly
but we're SWAT, not BOPE

[normal patrol]

right. gotta stay tight.

[shrewd oriole]

In active shooter maps when the timer ticks down the sussies raise their guns and hunt civvies, suspects with the weapon raised are free fires. But club isn't considered a shooter mission, because that makes sense.

[formal nacelle]

we need white phosphorus grenades. for fun.

[olive idol]

I feel the FBI could get some wiggle room tho

[shrewd oriole]

Maps where it'd make sense should have suspects with their weapon raised but still have behaviors that allow surrendering and doesn't eliminate the RoE

[normal patrol]

idk man as soon as I hear people actively dying... its weapons free yaw..

[shrewd oriole]

The funny timer tho

[normal patrol]

idk wtf they will label it after.. but Im gonna stop the fn sht out of these bad guys

[feral sequoia]

being punished for killing a child molester suspect is weird

[vestal mauve]

yep
did Elephant S-rank once...ONCE
every other time, it's "fuck these guys, we're going full auto"

[tough spire]

Not if he's complying

[olive idol]

Killing Amos is worth the -150 tho

[shrewd oriole]

This is insanely dependent

[feral sequoia]

not if he isn't complying

[normal patrol]

lmao... who can prove that he was complying?

[vestal mauve]

no you need him to spill the beans on others in the CP ring

[olive idol]

I mean that gun was in his hand at one point

[feral sequoia]

then we kill him got it

[normal patrol]

yeah exactly! Im sure I saw a gun somewhere

[formal nacelle]

Everyone always says they will do so many violent things to child molesters, but when someone actually does it it's suddenly wrong to "take the law into your own hands"

[vestal mauve]

yeah realistically, he aint making it out of prison
even supermax prisoners hate pedos

[shrewd oriole]

Non-compliant and being aggressive with a deadly weapon police will happily shoot anyone.

[tough spire]

Cops aren't judge jury and executioner. If there's no immediate threat you don't have free reign to just murder someone no matter how bad they are.

[normal patrol]

its just what we have to say to play nice in society.. its not a real sentiment

[shrewd oriole]

But a complying kid diddler is still a complying suspect.

[olive idol]

Don't ask the FISA what they did with the women at the Port

[shy tulip]

^ How to cost your police department a multi million dollar law suit

[vestal mauve]

LAPD: "imma pretend i didnt hear that"

[tough spire]

And that's why people are ACAB.

[fringe vector]

FISA are ops fr

[normal patrol]

people are acab all cops are people

some people are cops.. dont threaten one unless you want to live

[vestal mauve]

i mean, im ACAB but RoN is a fantasy so whatever
it's a general rule, like "all knives are sharp so dont play with them"

[olive idol]

I pay my taxes so that cops gun is mine

[formal nacelle]

I have found that people who completely believe in the "one person can't be judge, jury, and executioner" bit are the ONLY ones who can't be all three.

[stone bay]

Now you're hanging out with Michael Jackson

[tough spire]

I'm mostly just amused/terrified at how many people are basically showing exactly how these systems are corrupted on a higher level by how they talk in this Discord. lol

[crude prism]

With the new headshot multipliers, some suspects can get headshot and still stay standing #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[shrewd oriole]

Acab, all cops are ballers

[normal patrol]

interesting... i like..

[olive idol]

I'm ok with cops, now three letter groups should be gone

[fringe vector]

ACAB = All cops are cool

[normal patrol]

lots of slippery slopes tho

[stone bay]

I'm gonna multiply their heads with this shotgun your honor

[olive idol]

that's ACAC

[shy tulip]

Idk, I played farm and beat it first try, I got shot a pretty good bit but it felt like some suspects weren't reacting to gunshots, and the two core arrest AI didn't fight at all

[fringe vector]

fuck

[shy tulip]

I got pretty far into Relapse but my FPS wasn't stable and I got smacked

[normal patrol]

AllCopsAreBrilliant

[shrewd oriole]

Ban

[tough spire]

They've basically had to remove actual CIA lore from Ground Branch because they don't want to touch the political shitshow it is 😂

[normal patrol]

ooooph..

[olive idol]

Ruby Ridge got me not posting my 15" AR

[fringe vector]

they NEED to add in point aiming

[normal patrol]

very easy to get the accuracy and reaction times wrong

[shrewd oriole]

Some of yall act like if we didn't have police we'd be fine

[vestal mauve]

i love the FISA/USIA sub plot that goes nowhere

[tough spire]

They have it

[fringe vector]

built in not modded

[tough spire]

They have it.

[olive idol]

to be fair, they could add more missions

[normal patrol]

they are literally heroes for dealing with human garbage all day every day..

[vestal mauve]

true but like, doesn't "1.0" mean the release is complete?
having the story have several threads that go nowhere is a really strange thing

[olive idol]

just wait for 2.0

[shrewd oriole]

You can have a good cop and a bad cop. And you can have good criminals.

[normal patrol]

you dont call a cop to give him money and a message.. they get called when people are dying or being insane.. do some cops who are human fall prey to corruption sure but so do priests

[vestal mauve]

coming 2027 😦

[stone bay]

It's in the game

I mostly notice it on guns with longer barrels

[normal patrol]

true

[split egret]

version numbers and client status have become meaningless over the last 20 or so years

[olive idol]

sometimes Terrorism is OK (Example: KillDozer)

[fringe vector]

only modded tho

[shrewd oriole]

Corruption comes with democracy and having groups in general, no way around it tbh

[normal patrol]

every side thinks they are on the right side

[stone bay]

It's not modded where did you even come up with that conclusion

[vestal mauve]

SWAT =/ beat cops
RoN doesn't have missions where you harass homeless people, or stop and frisk black people, or escalate an argument into a lethal use of force

[stone bay]

Try the SR-16 you'll see it

[tough spire]

[neat oyster]

press O its been in the game for 2 years now lol

[fringe vector]

im regarded

[shrewd oriole]

You are not immune to propaganda

[normal patrol]

we could use more FAFO this year

[normal patrol]

✊

[stone bay]

You gotta try out different guns before coming up with the conclusion that it only works on modded my friend

[fringe vector]

hold on rq

[olive idol]

I don't think we should generalize based on someone's job, officer discretion is a thing

[shrewd oriole]

Not every cop is a bad person but not every officer is made the same.

[vestal mauve]

there are no bad weapons in RoN

[bright valley]

hold my pepper spray

[shrewd oriole]

Based, it's like saying everyone who works at McDonald's dropped out of highschool.

[stone bay]

They massacred my boy

[tough spire]

rofl you beat me to it

[olive idol]

one of the MP5s gotta go

[stone bay]

Pepper Spray used to be so OP back in EA

[split egret]

not my MP5/10

[stone bay]

It was disgustingly OP

[vestal mauve]

MP5SD where????

[shrewd oriole]

🧢

[olive idol]

MP5SD is overrated

[tough spire]

We really should have one less mp5 and one more mp5sd.

[shadow fern]

Imagine being me suffering through greased palms for a while and after beating it… Void drops the suspect AI. Lmao Fug me

[bright valley]

Even against the arguably overcorrected hotfix 3 suspects, pepper spray is still completely trash.

[shrewd oriole]

Time for S

[tough spire]

On what metric

[normal patrol]

I couldnt get past Sins on vanilla

[next goblet]

Has anyone actually noticed any differences between the AI before this hotfix versus now?

[normal patrol]

didnt want to

[split egret]

Yeeeeah I s-ranked Valley of the Dolls before. That was pain just because of how many sightlines there are for lethal and not for LTL

[olive idol]

Firearms, for Suppressed Firearms, the SIG MCX/MPX is better

[bright valley]

Everyone.

[olive idol]

and I hate Sig

[vestal mauve]

yes
its a 100x less bullshit

[split egret]

yeah, they'll actually surrender instead of just deciding to go full send

[tough spire]

Wait wait wait. Your argument is that a significantly more modern weapon improving upon an old design makes that old design "overrated?"

[next goblet]

Thanks, I wanted to know if there was observable differences because ides of march LTL solo hit me hard.

[normal patrol]

I've been using modded ai for a while now, no reason to wait for void

[split egret]

they'll actually miss, now.

they still react quickly, but I kind of like that.

[stone bay]

It's nice to go back to Vanilla every once in a while and be reminded why you have AI mods in the first place

[olive idol]

also 9x19 isn't really effective in the modern land scape, also for 1990's guns the CAR-15 is better

[next goblet]

The quick reactions at least makes sense for people like the veterans, I don't mind.

[split egret]

yeah

[tough spire]

The mp5sd is a whisper clacker. You get it for the silence.

[split egret]

it'll still be difficult, simply because of how Ides is laid out, it's a real shitsandwich.

[shrewd oriole]

Okay but MP5 look cool so opinion is wrong

[next goblet]

Also shoutout to the single guy with an M249 in that mission, he spooks me everytime I meet him.

[mighty elbow]

acab?

[bright valley]

I wonder if it'd be too farfetched to make it an attachment option, i.e. integral suppressor, the way the integrated lights work.

[tough spire]

The loudest part of the Mp5SD is the action.

[vestal mauve]

hes always in the middle lounge entrenched like a WWII machinegunner

[olive idol]

My two cents is you can't be ACAB and Anti Gun, it's one or the other

[stone bay]

This is Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history.

[normal patrol]

All Cops Are Bastards. cops are people and lots of people can be bastards

[tough spire]

This is objectively false but this isn't the politics channel.

[vestal mauve]

today we're showing him weapons from Call Of Duty: Vanguard

[split egret]

why