👮ron-discussion

[ivory kiln]

but certain suspects should surrender immediately

[deep rain]

Or "watch the windows"

[vestal mauve]

chance to surrender should be tied with the number of suspects remaining, with a few exceptions
as you clear the level, most of the guys just give up after you annihilated their buddies

[deep rain]

It still needs to be a game though. If everyone surrenders, there isn't much "meat" to the gameplay (yet). So surrendering would need to have it's own "stand off" gameplay mechanics to make it interesting somehow.

Suspects could engage in dialogue. I mean, that would be super-feature++ extension (costly, feature creep ftw) but I think it would be awesome.

[vestal mauve]

im surprised they haven't worked in a "self-hostage" situation where a perp puts a gun to their head when you yell at them to comply

i know there's a chance enemies will off themselves, but thats in instant decision
what if they just stand there, pistol pointed at their own temple, daring you to make a move?

[deep rain]

stuff like that, yeah

Anything that prolongs the tension. I really think that is the one KEY aspect that sets SWAT games apart from other shooters. The moment where you interact with the enemy but shouldn't shoot yet.

[vestal mauve]

yes

the player needs to make split-second decisions, like a real life SWAT officer does, to ensure the best outcome

[deep rain]

yes, and for it to not become boring, it needs a high varience of different situations, suspect animations, voice lines and especially random timings.

Right now I can tell when exactly the suspect will move from "heistating" to "shooting" and also when they will get up after surrendering to strike again.

It's very rigid.

[fringe vault]

a self hostage situation would be nice, they can have different outcomes such as them faking shooting them selves to try shoot you, surrender or just actually shoot themselves

[vestal mauve]

i admit, i got caught off guard by the "pulling out the cell phone from behind" thing
i just blasted the dude, saw what he was doing, and froze in shock

[deep rain]

hehehe

yeah, more stuff like that is what SWAT gameplay is about imho

[plucky sage]

I see your point, especially on AI behavior on room clearing and the uncertainty of the outcome of the grenade throws. As for the throwing they could add a scripted sequence for when the direction the AI would toss the grenade based on their current position wouldn't make any sense. Like, think of a door that can only be stacked on the left due to obstacles and the door swings open to the left. The grenade would in all scenarios be tossed to the right, which could be okay depending on the room layout. However, there is this this apartment entry on Brisa Cove, the first door to the right, where we exactly have the aforementioned situation and the right side of the room (where the grenade will land 100% of the time) is a dead end while the left side which is partially obscured by the door is a long hallway.
Long story short, SwatAi would need to understand those kind of "useless" grenade throws and adapt to a different throwing stly, e.g. taking a step out of the stack and tossing the grenade are the door, or even above it, whichever lets them stay in cover better

[pale lake]

This game with a PVP mode, and focusing on Close Quarter Combat map, could very well be a straight competitor to R6 Siege

[crude prism]

"no"

[vestal mauve]

PVP would be cool but realistically i dont see it happening

[crude prism]

PvP is definitely happening, "good" PvP? That's another question

[deep rain]

While I agree on the issue, my solution would be to not "simulate all and everything". It's a videogame. Getting simulation in line with gameplay expectation is a nightmare. Sure, you can pull it off, but it's really really lots of work and iteration.

So my solution to these problems is more like: Abstract it. Design trumps simulation.
In the case of bangs, we already have the disconnect of "animation of throwing" to "actual spawn point of grenade and trajectory".

I would just go one step further and define the impact area for every room manually. And the throw is just graphics. Just immersion. The actual gameplay effect for "bang & clear" would be defined at level creation. for each door manually, by the level designer

[vestal mauve]

honestly cops botching a flashbang throw is perfectly in line with real life lol

[pale lake]

I have been working on Squad and there it is such a rabbit hole between Realism and making a Game. Either they wanted to make a simulator and calling it a game. Always been a fan of keeping the aspect of game first. That is where the emotions and players want to experience.

[crude prism]

This is probably the easiest and most effective solution for 99% of thresholds. And they can always leave in the free-throw as well for you to have AI whip nades at certain spots when not stacked up

[vestal mauve]

you're not the ICO floppy limbs guy are you

[pale lake]

hell no

[vestal mauve]

legit made me stop playing lol

[deep rain]

Yeah, free throw should stay, ofc

[pale lake]

I left the team by then

[plucky sage]

As for the uncertainty what entry tools or grenades to use I'm actually happy that the player is able to 100% make this choice.
In real life you would decide what entry method to use based on the type and the layout of the entry point, the layout of the room behind the door, the resulting "moving in" technique and of course the expected threats inside (amount of suspects, sVest probability, structural hazard), civies/hostage presence.

And similar criteria apply to the use of the offensive grenades.

So in the end it's analyzing the situation and deciding on what you feel most applicable to use in the given context.

At least I don't feel like having the developer force me to use gas on this room or a stinger on that room, that's not how it should work in my opinion.
Whereas for the doors, they could maybe add certain doors to the game that e.g. cannot be lockpicked, or give doors a certain chance to withstand a battering ram once or twice, this could mix things up but would also force players to carry all potential gear at all times which could be an issue especially in understaffed online lobbies

[vestal mauve]

can nade launchers break windows?

[crude prism]

I'm gonna say no, not with the removal of their impact damage

[vestal mauve]

fuck

[crude prism]

I'm pretty sure that they can't pass through anyways, as the collision hitzones don't despawn when windows are broken

No nades/nonlethal can pass

[deep rain]

It's the pitfall of junior game development. And it doesn't say anything about your skill/talent. It's just this age-old desire of humans to bring the experience they like to see in movies and real life to the computer screen.
Like a childhood dream. I think every dev has been there before realizing the limitations if UI/UX and gameplay.

[vestal mauve]

that sucks, i want to chuck gas through the windows and move in

[crude prism]

Unfortunately you'll have to test each window lol, I know the ones on gas station break properly and then you can throw stuff through

But the ones on Voll don't

[deep rain]

The ones on port hokan at the start if the map in the little office container also break properly.

[crude prism]

RNG window fun is immersive and good for gameplay

[plucky sage]

They could at least do this for certain rooms.
Apart from that I feel like the "simulation" part of Ron also stems from the fact that players mostly have everything in their own hands, the game only dictates the desired outcome and puts you in a certain place, the rest is up to you and your skills to use the tools you have at hand to achieve the best possible outcome, just like in real life.
(even though I wouldn't really call Ron a simulation after all 😅)

[pearl shuttle]

Is that why I don't get penalized for shooting suspects who surrendered

As in I shot them as soon as they dropped their gun

[crude prism]

No, there's specifically a second or two window for when suspects surrender.

To prevent you from being penalized for shooting at them during gunfights where they instantly give up

[pale lake]

not taking this personally. Been in the game (no pun intended) for 20 years. Seen different approach. While I truly appreciate how they did their game and what a core portion of designers wants to keep the game as is, or even go more hardcore, I feel like, RoN does a better job at nailing its core gameplay principles for a FPS.

[deep rain]

Well, in multiplayer, maybe, yeah. In single player you basically get a "random" outcome when you send your AI mates in.

[deep rain]

Why would you take this personally? I just reinforced what you said before. 😄

[plucky sage]

They should add a "throw stone" feature so that we can break and test windows

[deep rain]

Well, at least you got 5y more under your belt, I am only at 15y 🙂

[mental fable]

So guys, is this hotfix good ?

[muted star]

It just dropped

[mental fable]

Yea Ik, and it was good

I think we need to delete the AI mods bc of the new hotfix

[muted star]

ye

[mental fable]

Well I'll do it tomorrow or soon

[pale lake]

I totally misread then..my apologies

[waxen grove]

Yo patch notes?

[mental fable]

Yep

[vagrant pumice]

huh?

[mental fable]

I think the last one will be just minor bug fixes

[mental fable]

In the patchnotes, it says we need to delete any AI mods bc it will corrupt the new improvement

[waxen grove]

Im calling bs

[mental fable]

What is bs ?

[waxen grove]

Bullshit

[crude prism]

"Revamped the way Suspect AI accuracy is calculated and rebalanced it, resulting in a fairer experience across all levels (Note: changes to the accuracy calculation will break AI mods)"

[mental fable]

Oh ok

[waxen grove]

Yeah

[ivory kiln]

i haven't noticed anything wrong with no crack for ai

[waxen grove]

Basicly they say “use our ai and not mods”

[shy tulip]

No, they said that you need to uninstall outdated mods and wait for the authors to update them like any game.

[mental fable]

Oh

[waxen grove]

I will check the game files in the morning

[mental fable]

Same

[shy tulip]

Even if they don't mean the crashy type, like they said accuracy calculations were changed. Let's say a mod makes them less accurate prior to this, it may just break them and make them not shoot.

Or if a mod made them harder, it may make them beam you as soon as you spawn

I assume the crashy type anyway because AI mods have always broken and started breaking the AI and or crashing the game in the past

[waxen grove]

Unless the whole ai been reworked à la Adam I doubt ai mods would be completely deprecated.

[limber steppe]

w hotfix

[mental fable]

Ok, I'll delete any AI mods or any outdated AI mods tommorow

[waxen grove]

I’ll test my swat slots mod in the morning maybe see what’s involved in updating it. Honestly how do you update mods for this game? When I was in the files I saw that as long as void doesn’t completely rework systems mods don’t go out of date

[deep rain]

Adjusted visibility blockers on Ridgeline, Penthouse, Valley and Importer

Are these internal map names?

[shy tulip]

Modders just take the new files and tweak them after the update

[shy tulip]

A Lethal Obssession, Brisa Cove, Voss House, and Greased

They're "old" map names

[summer hatch]

Time to test this recently tweaked AI

[waxen grove]

Oh lovely this game requires mods to be rebuilt every update lovely

[deep rain]

Yeah, I had the same maps in mind when reading that 🙂

[waxen grove]

Dont worry I understand

But I do have to test base ai

[quaint palm]

It's normal that weapon selection is glitched?

[waxen grove]

I hate to say it but that sounds like mods

[quaint palm]

I have no mods

[waxen grove]

Hmm

Never used em

[quaint palm]

Removed them all when I had the issue

[stone bay]

I was gonna say I did a clean install and had the same issue

[waxen grove]

Ah yeah, mod io or manual install?

This game doesn’t like having mods actually getting uninstalled it’s weird

[stone bay]

This game doesn't like being played in my experience

[waxen grove]

Tell me about it

[stone bay]

My system can run about anything at max and it struggles at low settings, the game keeps crashing for me, and that combined with the ai and what not just isn't quite in the state I'd like it to be especially for 1.0

[idle pumice]

does new hotfix solves the startup black screen (not launching the game) issue?

didnt see in the notes but it can be lucky situation

[deep rain]

Funny thing is: Some video detail options seem to do nothing for me. I get more FPS with high than I get with low. And I dont really see big changes
Maybe try high

[shadow fern]

Game fixd?

[quaint palm]

No

More broken

[stone bay]

I'll have to give it another shot but I really don't like how they butchered this game

[shadow fern]

are you using mods?

[deep rain]

Fixed a bug that squared the headshot damage against players only when the helmet was already destroyed

I want that bug back! 😄 😄 😄

[autumn willow]

Nuh uh uh

[deep rain]

Fixed a bug that allowed SWAT AI to kill suspects by shooting them in the head with beanbags```
Oh joy joy happy joy. Now I can try s-ranking the last 2 missing maps with my AI buddies using beanbags!

[digital marsh]

YESSSS I’ve had this happen to me too many times 😭

[stone bay]

I know they want it in the game but I really hate getting wallbanged at the end of a level because some guy has super hearing and xray vision

[hallow shore]

sounds like a promising patch

just gotta wait an hour for it to install XD

[knotty ermine]

Why did they nerf the taser lmao it's the most useless less lethal tool in the game

[autumn willow]

SO BASED!!!! FINALLY

[earnest wolf]

OMG this patch sounds great

[magic yacht]

I HOPE THEY FXED THE LAUNCHER GLITCH where they cant reload

[mental fable]

Guys, did the hotfix took away 30 or 40 gb away ?

[knotty ermine]

Is your GPU significantly newer than your CPU?

[vagrant pumice]

How do you S-Rank?

[oak edge]

Laptop user here with a beefy laptop. I was getting 45-60 fps on most maps. I turned dlss onto balanced and I'm getting 100+ now. I run it in 2560 X 1440. I don't wanna speak too soon but it has fixed all of my fps issues

[crude prism]

With this being fixed we should finally see head injuries again

[earnest wolf]

you basically have to do everything perfectly and arrest all suspects without incapacitating them

[stone stump]

are we really still discussing that? no, it doesn't

[knotty ermine]

Is there a time limit on S rank like there is for A+?

[shy tulip]

there are no time limits for any scores

[deep rain]

No, not really.

[oblique sail]

Still compiling files. How is the patch overall?

[mental fable]

Bruh

[knotty ermine]

Are you sure?

[shy tulip]

Positive

[deep rain]

Decreased smoke opacity of CS Gas to allow players to see through it more easily

That one I am interested to see.
Time to get the gas mask back on

[mental fable]

Alright nvm, my pc was glitched just now

mb

[shy tulip]

The true gamechanging patch

Removed any related SWAT voicelines that are referring to themselves as the high ground callsign

[mental fable]

Looks like RoN is getting back on the rails

[deep rain]

Who is "High Ground" and why are they banned from playing RON? 😄

[vestal mauve]

High Ground refers to the cut sniper team

[mental fable]

Oh yea the old sierra sniper unit

[shy tulip]

The beta sniper team

[quaint palm]

No I have no mods

[tired kestrel]

ayyy they added an ai rebalance

sweet

man this update is great

[white goblet]

Did they fix the cosmetic bug with Ai still wearing helmets even when the 'No Helmet' option is selected?

[mental fable]

I wonder what is the 4th hotfix

[daring lion]

read through the list of fixes 🤷‍♂️

[ivory kiln]

I hope they add balaclavas

[stone stump]

pretty sure it's the 4th hotfix

[mental fable]

SE people hate that

[shy heath]

Man, void. After a long time, good job. Nice update

[white goblet]

i did a quick skim but i don't have my computer to play at the moment so i'm seeing if anybody in here has seen a fix yet

[mental fable]

Oh, its only 3 hotfixes not 4

[daring lion]

The fixes do seem to have a lot of improvements tho! still room for optimization but somethings were updated

[tired kestrel]

crazy how its not in the game yet

[daring lion]

fair

[mental fable]

I think the 4th one is just fixing some of the map or minor errors

[tired kestrel]

this update was huge if the ai is actually better now

[stone stump]

clipping issues

[shy heath]

Man i wish we get a non-lethal pistol

[tired kestrel]

because i saw alot of skill issued players complaining about ai

[stone stump]

isn't taser one?

[tired kestrel]

so thatll help them atleast

[white goblet]

so can anybody confirm if Ai can be in game without helmets now?

[shy heath]

its not an secondary. its a tactical

i mean by secondary pistol

[earnest wolf]

Pretty sure it used to be a secondary before 1.0

[ivory kiln]

Who is se?

[shy heath]

yes it was a secondary before 1.0

[stone stump]

[shy heath]

its better that its in tactical now but i think we should get like a pepperball pistol or something would be cool

[earnest wolf]

yeah that would be cool, if only to help my AIs on less lethal runs

[shy heath]

And that would be auto fix to non lethal swat ai issues completely

ill give feedback if no one did yet

[tired kestrel]

first add frickin balaclavas

[mental fable]

Supporter Edition

[waxen grove]

Or maybe the tac 700 that’s still in the games code and works without any bugs

It’s already nerfed into the ground so …

[tired kestrel]

oh they get balaclavas?

[mental fable]

Yea

[tired kestrel]

dude istg if they dont add balaclavas just because of that

[waxen grove]

Nope, I hear textures got replaced and they lost em in 1.0 or something

[stone stump]

they don't

[tired kestrel]

oh maybe balaclavas are coming soon

[mental fable]

Oh

[tired kestrel]

currently i got a balaclava mod but i cant remove the balaclava

[ivory kiln]

delete the mod

[vestal mauve]

Balaclava mods don't delete hair so it clips through and looks awful

[misty egret]

MCX option is not accessible

[ivory kiln]

aw man

[tired kestrel]

my mod does

[ivory kiln]

my mod has it deleted

[vestal mauve]

Ok whaaaat

[tired kestrel]

i can send you the mod if you wantr

[mental fable]

Also do SWAT have tactical takedowns for example dragging an alone suspect ?

[vestal mauve]

Thanks

[ivory kiln]

no

[tired kestrel]

i sent it in modding chat

[mental fable]

Oh, ok

[tired kestrel]

np

[vestal mauve]

Yep I see it ty ty

[tired kestrel]

does removing your helmet remove any real armor?

or is it just cosmetic

[waxen grove]

Fixed a bug that allowed SWAT AI to kill suspects by shooting them in the head with beanbags
Cant be the only one thinking this is a feature not a bug… sure good to have swat ai not killing but elite force added the ability for less lethals to kill in edge cases. A beenbag round to the head can definitely kill lol.

[stone bay]

I have tried both and dx12 runs better but not good thanks for the help though

[crude prism]

The issue is that you will just NEVER give the SWAT the beanbag if they'll randomly kill with it

This is a good change, because players have agency over their own aim, but not the bots

[willow kraken]

You can still kill them with a beanbag headshot, I guess this just makes it so swat ai will aim for centet mass exclusively with beanbag shotties

[tight frigate]

did the new update break anything except ai mods?

[waxen grove]

Yeah maybe in the back end it should give a chance of lethality and not allowing swat ai to kill using it

[tired kestrel]

can anyone answer this?

[waxen grove]

Maybe stop swat ai from aiming to the head with beanbags

[wheat zealot]

has there been a ready or not update or am i going crazy

[crude prism]

They don't aim for headshots, but because of the random aim cone, or just because suspects are performing certain animations, they can unintentionally hit headshots

[waxen grove]

Update

[worthy scarab]

#patch-notes

[tired kestrel]

yeah its a really good patch

[wheat zealot]

thanks

[waxen grove]

I think they actually do aim for kill shots

[wheat zealot]

sounds great

[waxen grove]

Atleast before Hotfix 3

[crude prism]

You'd need some good evidence besides anecdotal "the bots will hit headshots"

[stone stump]

new update doesn't break anything. it's the mods being outdated making them break stuff

i got kinda lost, what the hell was i replying to

[tired kestrel]

dude can anyone tell me if the helmet in ready or not actually protect you from more bullets?

[stone stump]

this here^

[waxen grove]

The evidence is dead body and less headshots just feels like that’s something that could be in the behaviour tree

[crude prism]

Head protection depends entirely which headgear piece you select in the loadout menu. Not the cosmetics tab.

[waxen grove]

We can’t see the behaviour trees anyways

[tired kestrel]

so i can appear to have no helmet but ill still have the protection?

[earnest wolf]

omg I'm out shooting crackheads!!

[stone stump]

no

[crude prism]

If you select "no helmet" in the loadout tab, you will not be able to equip a helmet in the cosmetics tab (I think)

[tired kestrel]

yeah but does that decrease my protection

if i select no helmetl

that was my question

[stone stump]

^

[crude prism]

No-helmet means you are removing the head protection. As reflected on the paperdoll

[waxen grove]

Ok so helmet protection is only with the helmet and not the gas mask I should point out

[tired kestrel]

alright

[wheat zealot]

why are people saying that void took our money and ran and the game was a scam? if anything im suprised this game isnt more

[stone stump]

no.

[tight frigate]

alr

[stone stump]

my condolences your eyes are so bad

[wheat zealot]

what do you mean

[shy heath]

ah yes, i got crashed on entry to my first mission.

[magic yacht]

from what ive seen in the patch notes, they havent fixed the ai unable to use the launcher more than once, bummer

[waxen grove]

Huh? Well the reason some see it as a scam is the fact it released in 1.0 like it did and jacked the price up. Even I think the 1.0 release was handled poorly

[fallow agate]

Yo did they patch crazy ai wall banging?

Just read the patch notes

[wheat zealot]

i guess thats fair

[shy heath]

I got crashed for selecting mission now..

[wheat zealot]

good investment of buying the game before the price got increased

[stone stump]

probably not. they only mentioned prolonged through the wall shootouts between swat ai and suspect ai

[shy heath]

No mods installed, deleted all mod data

wth is this update

[fallow agate]

better than nothing

[shy heath]

ill try to verify files

[waxen grove]

Still reading the notes and it says enchantments though walls shouldn’t last as long but nothing about wall snipping yet. Issue was is that line of sight was involved in 90% of issues due to door cracks or small seems in walls

[crude prism]

There is no face hitbox. Having the bare helmet vs having the gask mask will both protect your entire 'head'

[tough spire]

Because people are dumb and go with feelings over evidence.

[waxen grove]

Yeah this game wanst worth the EA price while in ea and now its released its worth the EA price but not the full release price

[waxen grove]

Helmet is the only one with an actual armor value

[crude prism]

Source: it came to me in a dream

[chilly meadow]

Is this update good enought to jump back into the game or should I wait?

[shy heath]

does anyone have problem with being crashed on almost anything?

[waxen grove]

Trying to figure that out

[stone stump]

every option except for no helmet includes a helmet btw

[magic frigate]

Did the ai changes make the game too easy or is it well balanced now

[stone stump]

neither

[tired kestrel]

maybe you have an ai mod installed

[shy heath]

im sure i removed it and i deleted all mod data

from crash thing

[waxen grove]

Bull fucking shit, now im questioning everything. Do we have bullet range? Drop off? Anything? How could the game release with bullets doing full damage though walls?

Decreased Suspect AI damage when shooting through walls
Good change but how

[shy heath]

and it doesnt say modded

[analog flare]

remove all mods and play with safe mode on

• verify files

[analog flare]

actually do this first

[crude prism]

Funny enough I tested this last night. Players 100% had bullet reduction through objects/limbs/etc (and a LOT of it)
I suspect that the calculations were broken/unimplemented for AI though, so no damage reduction. (until this patch)

Yes there is 'range' where you lose damage, but everything is hitscan so your shots do not fall or travel like in battlefield for say.

[lethal crest]

Hows the update so far? I'm not really feeling much different but I've only really played one or two missions

Can't really tell that much of a difference on aggressiveness but maybe I'm just slow

[waxen grove]

Im looking at the patch notes and I see no difference

I need to open the game files to see the changes

[shy heath]

i did that

it was all verified

[analog flare]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[shy heath]

ill try to look at my loadout sinnce some people say slots has been reset to 0

ill check it

[waxen grove]

Heck we didn’t even get any performances fixed unless they forgot to write em in the change logs.

[civic otter]

"Decreased Suspect AI damage when shooting through walls" made me laugh

[analog flare]

replay was disabled by default now (thats the only performance thing they said)

[civic otter]

We can't fix the root cause, so we'll lower damage

[waxen grove]

Yeah it shows a massive over sight and honestly it’s probably been an issue for a while

[analog flare]

atleast theres a fix for now. Satisfy the hungry rather than face the ravenous

[compact sequoia]

Fixed a bug that squared the headshot damage against players only when the helmet was already destroyed
what does this mean, wasn't headshot always supposed to insta kill you?

[analog flare]

gotta have to bootlick cause I want this game to fix itself

[crude prism]

AP and JHP ammunition had the same penetration values for all of EA until 1.0
There was no damage reduction on penetrating hits until 1.0

[analog flare]

i think its supposed to square the damage even if you have the helmet

[magic frigate]

I mean i understand they want them to able to shoot through walls in some instances. But they don’t seem to understand that the ai is firing through walls even when it is impossible for them to know where you are.

[waxen grove]

Can jhp fire though walls? Like question for game logic and irl.

[analog flare]

in game yes. JHP ,300 BO is the best ammunition in game afaik (based on the spreadsheets here) IRL idk enough

[magic frigate]

In irl no its sole purpose in swat units is to prevent over penetration

[crude prism]

Headshots were broken (at least since) the Adam update, where the damage was squared INSTEAD of multiplied by the appropriate headshot multipliers (2x or 3x depending on ammo type)

The new change means that assuming you have enough health, you can survive low-damage head hits.

Before, even a 13 damage head hit would kill you from full HP (for reference the lowest damage hit in the game is suspect buckshot at 25dmg)

[waxen grove]

Can someone ship that info to void please

[analog flare]

Why?

[waxen grove]

Because of the stupid wall banging

[analog flare]

i dont think the suspects use JHP

[compact sequoia]

huh, didn't know that

[waxen grove]

They probably use AP because it’s the default round

[analog flare]

most likely the hidden FMJ ammo that some mods use

[waxen grove]

Wait fmj is in game?

[crude prism]

FMJ is just the actual filetype name for AP ammo

[analog flare]

well thats stupid

[crude prism]

FMJ was renamed to AP in-game with the Adam update. Where it was previously listed as FMJ

[analog flare]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[waxen grove]

Fuck it Im just gonna make a mod to rename it FMJ, does it act like AP or FMJ?

[analog flare]

it acts as AP

[magic frigate]

Thats stupid because they are 2 different rounds

[analog flare]

i can see the spaghetti code already

[bitter mason]

we love sketty code

[waxen grove]

Grrr

[analog flare]

the amount of mistakes they could make with their ballistics code because they renamed FMJ to AP

jesus christ

[compact sequoia]

does it work like actual ap rounds or is it still just fmj with name changed

[waxen grove]

Its possible

[analog flare]

FMJ is different from AP irl

[willow kraken]

Anyone play the new update? How is it overall

[crude prism]

It's just FMJ with the name changed. Nothing else changed. There is still only 2 ammo types AP(filenameFMJ) and JHP

[waxen grove]

And the spaghetti code is only going to get worse since the lead game designer jumped ship and they put out a listing for a new one a few weeks ago

[crude prism]

The FMJ/AP thing is NOT spaghetti code at all, it was a changed to help players understand what the fucking they're picking in game lmao

[compact sequoia]

so it's just fmj then

[crude prism]

Not everyone is a gun expert

[analog flare]

the filename is a failure ;-;

[waxen grove]

Ik, swat 4 or atleast elite force had both and had it correctly coded

[crude prism]

Yes

[analog flare]

Then why not just change the damn thing in the file name for a streamlined process?

[waxen grove]

Ap is not fmj tho. Different kind of rounds for different kind of scenarios

[analog flare]

it takes a few seconds no?

[crude prism]

Why bother renaming the entire file system instead of just changing the listed name on the frontend that 99.999% of players will see

[compact sequoia]

they could've just kept the name tho

[waxen grove]

Doesnt actually.

Yeah they could of kept it fmj

[analog flare]

its the logistics of things and feature references. You never would want to mistake FMJ from AP

especially when changing ballistics for say a mod

[waxen grove]

This game does have spaghetti code

[analog flare]

or the game itself when they update it, it just triggers the ocd in me and the amount of mistakes that could happen

[analog flare]

every game has, its the amount of spaghetti they made is the difference between a fixable game to an absolute hot mess

in terms of optimization and organization

[analog flare]

you change one line of code and then its a domino effect

a great example (idk if they fixed it yet) apparently flashbangs and stingers dont actually lower suspect morale but increase it

[torpid citrus]

hey, im thinking of running RON on https://getwhisky.app/ on my m3 mac, but i dont wanna buy and download the game only to be disappointed. anyone tried this yet?

[magic frigate]

“Fixed a bug that allowed SWAT AI to kill suspects by shooting them in the head with beanbags” wasnt that because the ai just always aims for the head regardless.

[crude prism]

Suspect and SWAT aim center mass. (can target specifically other areas if only those are exposed)

[unique forum]

thought on new update ?

[compact sequoia]

so i just checked the url you posted and it looks like it's using wine to run games, on protondb ready or not is rated gold (runs well) so you should be fine

however you're on mac

and i'm not sure how well wine works for macos compared to linux

you can just refund the game if it doesn't work

[bitter mason]

is it just me or are guns more, sway-ee now

like
aiming in and looking around seems like theres more sway that before

[native rune]

I can’t change guns for myself or the ai in the load out menu anymore great job entry team

[shy heath]

also my game gets crashed everytime i alt+tab

[crude prism]

Do you ads-zoom on? It got changed

[shy heath]

if i dont alt tab its normal

[bitter mason]

probably

[lunar cradle]

how is the patch everyone did the ai adjustments work?

[shy heath]

ai feels little bit better for me but not really so much big diffrence

[native rune]

You’d have to play through all or most of the maps to get a feel for it

[analog flare]

cant seem to change my swat ai's guns

[shy heath]

i only could played gas mission though because it crashes on little things

[native rune]

Yep same

[shy heath]

alt tabbing literally crashes your whole game

[bitter mason]

they should probably make it so point shooting doesnt zoom tbh

[shy heath]

probably going to get a unnoted fix few hours later or 1 day later

for crashes most of the people getting

[analog flare]

also i have a "missing string table entry"

for .300BO jhp

its called OTM at the moment

[dreamy garden]

they have more features and are still empty brained

the swat

[analog flare]

funny enough cnat change my own gun now too

[bold sky]

there are plenty of mods that turn .300 jhp into open tip match rn

[lunar cradle]

mainly suspect ai i was cruious about

[umbral oar]

but i WANT to restrain headless suspects

[lunar cradle]

my swat ai has always been john wick seemingly lol

[lunar cradle]

lol

[dreamy garden]

The terminator and john wick merged into one ungodly being

[earnest wolf]

@lunar cradle it's a lot better. Not revolutionary but the gunfights feel much fairer

[bitter mason]

bruh just noticed a civ on greased palms uses the early access brisa cove sailor voice lines, including ones mentioning army guys

[shy heath]

dx11 works fine if you guys are getting crashes with dx12

[lunar cradle]

literally all i needed i feel like, im still trying to slog through vanilla completion before i do any mods

[ivory kiln]

so i have a chance?

[earnest wolf]

lol even I can finally out shoot methheads

[earnest wolf]

Yeah I got all the way to the last mission before the patch. Some of the maps were a serious chore

Carriers of the vine 💀

[dreamy garden]

Stay far away from doors, take as many gas grenades as possible

They will wallbang you

From any range

[earnest wolf]

I've only done a couple of missions since the patch, but they did seem to be trying to wallbang me less

[ivory kiln]

they need to fix performance now

since something i lag in a shootout

[earnest wolf]

they also miss quite a lot, which is unprecedented.

[bitter mason]

OK so the taser just doesnt work now?

[analog flare]

testing so far

[bitter mason]

I tried tasing someone on two occasions firing both shots and nothing

[analog flare]

a terrorist suspect that was behind me didnt insta kill me so I think the tweaks are working

my own gripe rn is the swat AI bagging shit up mid missions ;-;

[bright valley]

Solo or multiplayer?

[bitter mason]

solo

[broken haven]

day like 10 of being stuck on isles of march lets fucking go!!!

[crude prism]

certified hitreg moment

[bright valley]

Hmm. I'm just now booting the game up now, haven't played Hotfix #3 yet, I'll have to test it myself.

[bitter mason]

first time the dude was just running to the side, this time he was doing gun pull out fake surrender, I dont think I could have possible missed those shots lmao

[ivory kiln]

man i really love shooting civvies with phones

[analog flare]

suspect not instantly killing me as it moves a corner

I say the tweaks are working

[dusk thunder]

every so often when watching youtube runs (recent) … some people free lean under beds and actually open and check closets. Not once has any suspect or civilian been there. Is this a past feature that got removed and they just do it from habit? or can they actually hide in those places?

[analog flare]

theres still a chance tasers dont actually contact, they may hit a piece of clothing for example (dk if this is a feature or a bug)

[native rune]

Some maps just never have hiding suspects in these areas

[bitter mason]

they're still crazy aggressive tho, moving very fast and constantly full auto spraying

[analog flare]

they still hide. like a lot

[bitter mason]

I very much doubt this is a feature

[bright valley]

I've can confirm that it's possible post-1.0, I've seen one hiding under a bed in Twisted Nerve once.

[analog flare]

i mean if u watch irl police bodycams, the behaviour is closer to reality than you think lol

[bitter mason]

Twisted nerve seems to be the only map where suspects hide tbh

[bitter mason]

I know, but this is a game

people hit by a taser in real life often drop like a plank also

[analog flare]

the liberties and balances

[topaz bane]

I've had it happen once on the 3rd mission, guy got bugged into a closet until i went back 5 mins later and he decided he wanted to shoot my face, and once on the beach house map. Prob about 30hrs of gameplay.

[analog flare]

very hard to weigh

[analog flare]

damn

[ivory kiln]

suspects also surrender a lot more

[bitter mason]

its more visual feedback

the taser is just really janky in that department

I will give swat 4 as an example, the taser can be deflected by body armour and you can clearly see the prongs bounce off

[dreamy garden]

Oh now its even harder to do taser flash and bash on hide and seek thats nice

[bright valley]

I always thought the visual feedback of the taser was OK, it's more the auditory feedback that's inconsistent. A lot of suspects just convulse silently.

[bitter mason]

plus body armour is actually clear on the character model

nah bro this ai is still pretty cracked at times

got nailed through a whole ass truck

still too aggressive mainly

[analog flare]

Relapse is still a mess of fps drops lol

[bitter mason]

though thats greased palms in a nutshell

[bright valley]

OK, just successfully tased a suspect into surrendering on Thank You Come Again

[bitter mason]

yeah I managed to get a civ tased

[ivory kiln]

some suspects surrender without a fight

[analog flare]

greased palms is hell on earth

[bitter mason]

hit reg might be a bit wonky

[analog flare]

had some terrorists do it too

[bitter mason]

very rarely, only ones I have had do that end up pulling a gun anyways

[winter orbit]

greased palms is our SWAT teams vietnam

[lofty osprey]

my fps tanks in the basement of valley of the dolls 😭

[hasty oak]

hows the patch

[winter orbit]

It's a patch

[bitter mason]

love how open the outdoor area is, love how suspects dont render that far

oh ffs

[unique forum]

The suspect is more easy

[hasty oak]

so, less bs?

[bitter mason]

suspect walked into the spawn area on greased palms, died turned the corner and there was another he surrenders, im thinking "oh wow they made them actually surrender when seeing a friend die" he pulls a gun

certainly less bs

[hasty oak]

absolutely incredible scenes

[analog flare]

i am enjoying the tweaks more ngl

[lofty osprey]

i think they should keep it in but like make it a small possibility that it will happen

[analog flare]

cant wait for patch 4 to address the other issues

[hasty oak]

hoping they fixed the slowdown on certain maps when swat ai stack by a door
like the door that leads outside in the diner area of gas

[bitter mason]

oh definitely, its just so god damn frequent its not even a surprise

[charred granite]

how many of these "hang in there shady" stickers are there?

[analog flare]

sounds like a memory leak

[bitter mason]

if a suspect surrenders with little convincing you can almost garuntee they will pull a gun

[hasty oak]

could be yeah

[analog flare]

theres a saying... we dont take prisoners

[ivory kiln]

happens more frequently though

now they need to fix performance

i lag sometimes in a shootout

[bitter mason]

certainly now they should work on performance but I still think ai is waaays off perfect

[prisma aspen]

Broke all the weapons mod

[ivory kiln]

it's much better than before

atleast you have fair chance

[hasty oak]

well as long as there is improvements
i dont expect a perfect solution within a couple patches

[ionic shell]

"Fixed a bug that allowed SWAT AI to kill suspects by shooting them in the head with beanbags" HUGE

[sharp hazel]

Quite a few, I know of two or three in the station, I found a few in gas too

[hasty oak]

yeah there are some good fixes

[bitter mason]

for the most part

[prisma aspen]

Bad day for the modded players lol.

[ivory kiln]

damn one of my modded maps crashed the game

[hasty oak]

i only have gunslinger mod

[stone stump]

[...] we have gunfighter at home:

[hasty oak]

lol

[prisma aspen]

gunfighter, sniper or not, and most of the weapon mods are unusable now

[tight frigate]

been hearing stuff about the balaclava mod, did update break it?

[prisma aspen]

Time to play some vanilla

[tight frigate]

god damn it

[bitter mason]

probably not but you never know

some mods still work, reskins seem to but anything adding content may be broken

[prisma aspen]

True

[tight frigate]

void took a sledgehammer and broke 70% of the nexus mods catalog

[prisma aspen]

Tru

[bitter mason]

I had a mod that changed the mk18 into an m4a1, I think it may have changed stats cause I couldnt equip it, but my g36 carry handle mod is fine

[bitter mason]

such is the nature of game updates

[prisma aspen]

The best thing we can do is to pin the mod makers lol

[hasty oak]

good
break mods
based vanilla

[prisma aspen]

I leaved some messages to them, hope they can fix it soon

[analog flare]

just tried the CS gas

The opacity is much more see through. like you can only see a light smoke

didnt even know it was deployed

[lucid spade]

Does anybody know if the new patch also wiped account bans? Cause I just ran into WatchmanWakeUp again...

[stone bay]

so does this mean they finally nerfed the ai so the game is playable?

[umbral oar]

im gonna use gas only after this

[prisma aspen]

The Nvidia Reflex settings are still messed up lol

[hasty oak]

how is the wallbanging situation

[analog flare]

I have now been shot at several times with 9mm and havent died and hp is good. I think the tweaks are working

[lucid spade]

definetly less cracked. Ran Brisa Cove just now, and they're far less aggressive if you tag em a bit

[analog flare]

not unless its a steam ban people will always fine a way lol

[hasty oak]

do they all converge to your position once its known to them? i hated that

[analog flare]

they seem to at a much slower pace tho and dont shoot until they actually see you

I actually had a terrorist see me, and rather than spray me with his FAL, actually took cover first

[sharp hazel]

That sounds epic, can’t wait to try the update

[hasty oak]

ebic

[analog flare]

I then promptly wallbanged him before he can try anything

[lucid spade]

unclear. can confirm that the wall penetration decreasing damage works, cause i did survive taking half an M4 magazine through a drywall pillar

[tight frigate]

don’t think there’s any sort of system for that in RoN yet

very sad

[sharp hazel]

Also the open door towards officers causing them to be stuck is fixed! That was so annoying on mindjot

[lucid spade]

I'm aware there's no report system, but it said the clown was banned by the devs recently, but he's back on again.

[analog flare]

also they dont shoot and ask questions later now. I had an objective suspect actually resist arrest before prompty trying to blast me with his pistol

[tight frigate]

damn

[analog flare]

he knew where i was, since i was shouting at his face too

[modern birch]

I received a 26 GB patch today it seems. All I can find is that there were "hotfixes". Isn't a "hotfix" usually a super small patch?

[analog flare]

its 2.4 gb for me

[bright valley]

Hell yeah, opening doors while stacked on them is back, baby.

[analog flare]

u sure about that lol

[stone stump]

hotfix is used as a buzzword

[lucid spade]

overall, i'm liking the improvements, but where's the consistency improvement for flashbangs?

[bright valley]

Patience, grasshopper :P

[analog flare]

havent noticed much, Swat AI still throws it close to the doorway

[bitter mason]

dont think grenades have been touched at all

suspects seem a little less crazy, but still crazy

[lucid spade]

i'm talking beyond 6m, even looking at it, unaffected. that's why i only use stingers or CS

[earnest phoenix]

suspects still have 0 self preservation 🥱🥱

[foggy zinc]

Use cs gas for everything amirite

[analog flare]

but they aint terminators atleast

[bitter mason]

the transparency for cs gas goes miiiiles both visually and for gameplay

[analog flare]

they still refuse to surrender unless surrounded by all 4 swat ai lol

cause they are dead

[twilit vault]

Have you encountered any game crashes? My game has crashed many times since the last hotfix.？？

[analog flare]

no

[bright valley]

First impressions I want to say gunfights are feeling more survivable, but not trivially so.

[hasty oak]

is it map dependent
like the dudes in gas vs brisa

[foggy zinc]

btw is the update stable atm? Nothing breaking or anything yet?

[earnest phoenix]

i just had a guy get into a standoff with my entire squad, he slowly backed away and then just shot once with his shitty ass pistol and got cut down immediately

[analog flare]

tried his best

[bright valley]

I'm honestly fine if you struggle to get true suspect surrenders through the presence of a lone officer, like I like the unpredictability but if they're too passive that could be strange in some of the scenarios.

[analog flare]

i have some mods and its all working besides not being able to change guns, will try and remove the gunfighter mod for this, but even with the bug ballistics are all working, no crashing too

[bright valley]

It makes sense that you need to do something to ramp up the pressure, like nades, LTL usage, loud breaches, or getting multiple officers flooding into the room quickly.

[shy tulip]

Gunfighter seems to be broken

Because it also changes the weapon UIs on the player character

Which have now been changed

[foggy zinc]

Gunfighter is the conflict ye. Other than that I feel like this update has made me happier to own the game lel.

[analog flare]

its working fine for me

besides the gun thing yes

no AI mods

[foggy zinc]

can you just not swap weapons cuz of it?

[uncut nacelle]

Who tested #3 Hotfix, is the frame drops fixed?

[bitter mason]

still no black variant for the long sleeved lspd shirt and theres still two OD ones for the rolled sleeves

[analog flare]

probably, currently in game rn on relapse

[normal patrol]

Did they fix bullet penetration issues

[sharp hazel]

How’s that map running for you? I have a lot of issues on it, a lot of areas feel like a presentation or a flip book due to lag

[normal patrol]

So far I have 3 main issues with the game. Sus Heads clipping through walls and doors, bullet penetration, and not being able to stop their screams once downed with a headshot.

[analog flare]

its a flip book on some areas

[analog flare]

yeah i wish they implement that thing like in insurgency sandstorm

where in a suspect when shot again will stiffen up, and any dialogue they make will be disrupted

[foggy zinc]

Guess I'm stuck with the SA58 for now lel. Unless I just uninstall the pak then swap guns then plop it back in.

[crude prism]

What are your issues with bullet penetration?

[analog flare]

just finished the map on relapse

got a B

[foggy zinc]

nice lol

[analog flare]

only a B cause I didnt really aim for arresting

[foggy zinc]

shoot first ask questions later

my kinda gameplay lel

[analog flare]

they are terrorists

honestly the ROE in some maps should be changed

[foggy zinc]

btw what's the consensus on weapon swapping atm

[round frigate]

guess what, the AI is still shooting u through walls, they just miss/dont do much damage

[ivory kiln]

same especially for the terrorists

[foggy zinc]

same for gas station robbers

"You not taking me bro!"

crazy statement with an SA58 pointed to your head

[ivory kiln]

my modded map crashed the game

[fathom fog]

downloading the update rn, suspect ai any better now?

[winter shadow]

It does for now

[fathom fog]

good

couldn't tell anymore if it was a tactical error or just cracked ai sometimes

[ivory kiln]

man my modded maps keep crashing

[analog flare]

to be expected

[ivory kiln]

man i hope it gets fixed in the upcoming days

[analog flare]

id take it rather then be vaporized

[round frigate]

yeah its much better now

[round frigate]

got some fps drops after the update

[daring lion]

reading about the wall banging being fixed certainly sounds great! will need to play to confirm tho...

[shy tulip]

the swat ai won't engage through walls anymore (which means if you get caught out and shot, you on your own) and there's a damage reduction

I think something else

[ivory kiln]

oh damn

[foggy zinc]

swat AI can use beanbag shotties now too

and not murder suspects

[sharp ginkgo]

Anyone else crashing a lot?

[bitter mason]

I need to test if they changed the last suspect rushing you, did a solo (no bots) on gas and it doesnt seem like it

but suspects are still mega aggressive even on that map

[shy tulip]

I don't see why they would change an intentional feature

[round frigate]

oh swat ai, thats why when enemy was scanning through wall they were just standing still lol

[bitter mason]

because it sucks ass

[round frigate]

use wedges

[foggy zinc]

btw is FSR working fine after the upgrade atm?

[bitter mason]

thats not the problem, they will rush you head on if they have to and get themselves killed

the way I see it, the last suspect should be the easiest to arrest considering their morale should be at an all time low

[shy tulip]

That's not how morale really works

[unborn jetty]

is there a way to see what your highest score was on a given mission?

[shy tulip]

Well potentially, I forget the specifics

[bitter mason]

I know

[sudden marsh]

welp new update, but still 0 optimization fix or better shader precomp lol

[shy tulip]

But the last guy should be the most trigger happy considering they get more trigger happy the louder you go

[bitter mason]

terrible system imo

[shy tulip]

The FSR/DLSS updates and whatever tweaks were done as well:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042619062380924929/1056463486202421319/1047476215604334644.gif

[sudden marsh]

did they fix that bug where low latency was forced on? don't see it anywhere

[bitter mason]

I can maybe see how a system like that should work, suspects are less likely to fight for their lives if you've arrested more than you killed, but suspects in general are super trigger happy to start with

[bright valley]

Their trigger-happiness at the start varies a lot. Even before the hotfixes, if you tried just waltzing around some of the missions by yourself with just taser and only normally open/lockpick doors you'd be surprised how many suspects will hold their guns at the waist in hesitation.

[earnest comet]

I’m having issues selecting weapons. I can’t change weapons at the table or the lockers (I currently have the SA58 and G19) I click on any weapon and it just doesn’t switch :/

[shy tulip]

Remove your mods

[earnest comet]

Aight I’ll be back in an hour then

[bitter mason]

that makes me wonder, does a pepperball firing increase their stress 🤔

[dreamy garden]

Just create a folder called ~mods and drag the pak files of them into it

I put my mods files on the desktop for quick access when I want to play vanilla

[sharp hazel]

I think it increases stress of how the fuck do I breathe but idk about fuck around with five swat officers

[bright valley]

Good question. Intuitively, a pepperball launcher is a lot quieter than a proper firearm so I'd expect that'd to be reflected in the stress system but IDK.

[shy tulip]

I don't think LTLs do, because they don't seem to alert AI in the same way that guns do.

[bright valley]

Not even the beanbag shotgun?

[shy tulip]

You can notice this easy on Greased by using any LTL in the starting area and not setting off the other rooms

Yes

[bright valley]

Damn, good to know. I half-expected the pepperball launcher to be quieter/less stress inducing than the beanbag shotgun.

[hoary fox]

i need help deciding what is better, stinger or flashbang

[sharp hazel]

And are beanbags viable on ai again now that the headshot with beanbags was fixed?

[bright valley]

I swear, I get conflicting information from everyone regarding this.

[hoary fox]

shiiiit

i think that stingers have lower range but more effective than flashbangs

[shy tulip]

I prefer flashbangs because they're smaller and won't generally snipe you across a room

[hoary fox]

but I dont know. Thats why i`m asking

[shy tulip]

Stingers for sure have a larger range

[bright valley]

The smallness of the flashbangs is definitely good if you like tossing them through peeked-open doors.

[hoary fox]

oh yeah, i`m gonna make nightclub into tomb but for terrorists

[crude prism]

Stingers have (20%) greater range than flashbangs, the stun time is the same for both grenades.
Stingers deal damage when in close proximity to suspects/civilians
Stingers bounce/roll more then flashes, making them harder to properly throw

[hoary fox]

I geniuenly didn`t know that ngvs are viable for neon tomb until recently

[shadow fern]

Closed room? I use gas. Most of the time I use flash

I never used stingers, usually if a suspect was in front of a door, I just use c2 to blow them away

[twilit vault]

Me

[hoary fox]

yesterday i had a rage moment with cs gas, i fired m320 and threw 2 granades into apartment in 23mbps and mf still were charging at me

[twilit vault]

Idk what are they doing.bring more bugs

[bright valley]

So would you say the implied use case is that you'd avoid stingers when there's the risk of hitting civs?

[normal trout]

anyone know where the supporter verification code is?

[crude prism]

Yes. In theory you can get unauth penalties for using them near civilians, but it would have to be very close to them

[oak radish]

Does anyone know if the developers ever said anything about console release for RON?

[undone pilot]

whats the lore with 'the left behind'

[earnest comet]

Did they give the AI ammo that you can’t remove via loadout customization? It would seem I am having a much harder time bullying my AI swat team after todays patch

[shy tulip]

Aren't those the vets

[undone pilot]

yeah

[shy tulip]

Pretty sure the Senator they shoot endorsed or passed a bill that cut VA benefits, something along those lines

I gotta rewatch the No Room for Civility trailer

[bitter mason]

military veterans that have become disgruntled over budget cuts to veteran benefits something like that

[undone pilot]

damn, killing those dudes is cringe

[bright valley]

Good trailer.

[bitter mason]

they tried to kill him during brisa cove but failed

[shy tulip]

Amazing trailer

[devout mortar]

hey

[shy tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2FTd1uOEzQ

did my embed just fail?

[devout mortar]

can we reverse an update for RON ?

[oak radish]

Anyone know anything abt this?

[timber mesa]

no

[shy tulip]

They have not talked about external releases yet

My Discord just bugged out and it's not embeded for me

[earnest comet]

I’ve heard them say “we walk in the path brothers” in game before which is an interesting little tidbit for me

[bright valley]

Honestly, I send that one to people if I want to give them an idea of the game rather than the 1.0 trailer. Its gameplay footage is a little outdated but I think it's a good representation of the game.

[earnest comet]

It worked btw

[oak radish]

A senator passed a bill that defunded the veterans hospital and so a bunch of combat vets got together to perform an assassination attempt on the senator.

[bright valley]

1.0 trailer is good eye-candy but doesn't have any gameplay footage and shows a lot of stuff that doesn't really happen in-game.

[earnest comet]

Is there any way to remove a door in two shots with the breaching shotgun or does it have to be 3

[bright valley]

Shoot the two hinge-side corners.

Though if it's a metal door I don't think any amount of shots will remove it, gotta C2 for that lol

[hoary spruce]

So the updated AI is too easy now, just me?

At least in coop mode

[little cloud]

Damn, how long ago did they revamp the HQ?

They got rid of my favorite part of the game 😦

[foggy zinc]

The coffee machine?

[little cloud]

The whole thing

[bright valley]

Since 1.0, December 13th 2023.

[little cloud]

The shoot house

[little cloud]

Tragic

[foggy zinc]

Oh that shoot house with live enemies right?

Unless thats just a mod lol

[little cloud]

No it was cardboard targets

But you could go in there with teammates and friendly fire was on lol

[foggy zinc]

WAIT THEY REMOVED IT THIS UPDATE?

[little cloud]

It's not in the game as far as I can tell

[earnest comet]

There’s one downstairs but it’s only unlocked after a certain number of missions I think

[little cloud]

I don't think it's a this update thing, no idea when it changed, I haven't touched the game in many months

[shy tulip]

It is in the game

The shoot house is like right infront of spawn (behind the board), you have to go downstairs

[little cloud]

That's stupid

[shy tulip]

But in MP it's unlocked from the start because all maps are

So for PVP you don't have to do anything.

[earnest comet]

True

Just host a private game and you have instant access to it I didn’t think about that

[little cloud]

I have to mess with my settings if I want to start playing again. Game ran like doodoo when I launched it the other day

[bright valley]

New shoothouse doesn't seem to have a time trial like the old one, but it's less linear. Seems like it could be fun for 1v1s.

[little cloud]

I'll launch here in a minute and take a look

[undone pilot]

cringe to shoot those guys

[earnest comet]

“Should be on our side!”

[foggy zinc]

real cringe of them to shoot me

eat 300 blackout lowly slugger

[undone pilot]

you probably deserved it

[earnest comet]

Isn’t there a mod that turns .300 blackout into 338 lapua

[foggy zinc]

dahek

that sounds a bit overkill

[bitter mason]

ok the last suspect still rushes you

some genius on ends of the earth thought it would be wise to rush the full swat team so he runs down from the attic and gets his head blown off. every damn time

[foggy zinc]

lmao

it's funny to hear the swat AI scream at the suspect then get lasered to death sometimes

Particularly with the lowly criminals on early levels

[bitter mason]

theres still some errors in the subtitles too
"checking the bid"
for checking the bed

nearly got killed by a mega wall bang got damn
the new damage reduction must've saved me

[bright valley]

"GUN!" brrrrrt

[foggy zinc]

"DROP YOUR KNEES" 870 blasts his legs off

[chilly hamlet]

newbie q: is it possible to be hurt by the c2 blast if you stand right in front of it?

[foggy zinc]

It's a pie!

[bitter mason]

Dont think so, only behind it

if u have the killhouse open you can test there

[chilly hamlet]

is that a mission?

[bright valley]

Dropping a [self]

[foggy zinc]

chemlight?

[bitter mason]

nono just in the station

[foggy zinc]

Inside the station, head from the main lobby down to the Training area if it's unlocked and turn right.

[chilly hamlet]

ahh cool ty

[foggy zinc]

If it's locked then u gotta complete more missions

[bitter mason]

void big brain moment

[chilly hamlet]

im up to sins of the father

[bitter mason]

yeah you should have it

[foggy zinc]

HAVE FUN WITH THAT ONE BRUH

[chilly hamlet]

coolio

[bitter mason]

down the stairs and to the left is the killhouse, the right has a less lethal testing area

[foggy zinc]

you can't convince me Sins is not nightmare fuel

[bright valley]

Sins is great.

[bitter mason]

theres also a pong arcade machine in the station too actually, but its hidden away

[foggy zinc]

w h a t

[bitter mason]

void big brain moment

[bright valley]

Ahem, Suenos Ball

[mossy ridge]

I have a good feeling about this patch. But what do you guys think about it? I haven't played it yet.

[bright valley]

My first impressions are good so far.

[bitter mason]

its fine

[foggy zinc]

haven't played it but it sounds awesome. Only gripe is that gunfighter is hella bugged apparently and has disabled weapon swapping I believe...

[bright valley]

Updates breaking mods, what's new TBH.

Not really a RoN-specific thing there.

[foggy zinc]

never played modded games b4 so I never really knew this stuff lel

understandable tho why that happens

[bitter mason]

mods always break on updates most of the time

[rich bobcat]

F I N A L L Y

they fixed beanbags on AI

[bright valley]

Good news.

[tough spire]

Called it! And I get off work early on Tuesdays so I can go play. Woo

[mossy ridge]

Looks like they haven't fixed reticle brightness yet..

[rich bobcat]

*blasts the fuck out of a swat officer* "LEMME SEE A BADGE"

[earnest comet]

I uninstalled all mods and I’m still unable to change weapons. Should I un/reinstall?

[rich bobcat]

clear cache

wait

i mean verify files-

[earnest comet]

Aight

[rich bobcat]

if that doesnt work,then uninstall and reinstall

[ivory kiln]

i had an s-vest surrender immediately

[oblique sail]

Great update. Still a lot of things to fix visually, small things, but overall this was big. I don't think patches like this qualify as hotfixes due to them being massive across the board

Performance is better, stuttering is reduced to minimum, AI is a million times better IMO

[hasty oak]

very hotfix

[bright valley]

It's a semantics thing really. I get the impression that VOID's distinction is probably something like "patch = content update, hotfix = fixes and tweaks"

[oblique sail]

Yeah, seems like it

[hasty oak]

1.0 hotfix

[mossy ridge]

Also why they haven't pinged everyone? I'm just wondering.

[lucid spade]

well, i'm happy to report that the AI adjustments are holding true. i'm now only dying if taken by surprise, or i get too agressive

that said, has anyone been losing frames dramatically around the pedeatrics bombsite on the Hospital?

[bright valley]

Yeah, I'm still able to get killed in a 1v1 versus the 4U suspects if I act cocky so I don't think the patch overcorrected into "too easy" territory.

[mossy ridge]

Wonder if they fixed brisa cove spawn issue.

[bright valley]

I tried it, nah. Must be a really tricky bug if it's managed to persist this long.

[hasty oak]

good question

damn

[bright valley]

Like the infamous pump-action shotgun void from pre-1.0.

[mossy ridge]

Tf is wrong with me.. I can't delete the game nor i can update it

I can't even stop the installation of the patch 💀

[ivory kiln]

imma delete no mercy for terrorists

[feral sequoia]

great update ❤️

[foggy zinc]

love me a sweet 56GB download amirite

[hasty oak]

you love to see it

[mossy ridge]

I can't delete RoN help me 😭

[kindred fable]

anyone else having issues switching weapons with this update? I am slowly taking out mods to see what the issue is but nothing so far

[foggy zinc]

gunfighter appears to be the conflict, if im not mistaken

[kindred fable]

crud. time to wait for him to update I suppose lol

[foggy zinc]

also are you just not able to swap weapons or is it restricted to certain weapons?

so real lol

[stone bay]

I assume that’s now broken?

[kindred fable]

like I cant select anyhting other than ARWC and M9 for me and SWAT AI @foggy zinc

[foggy zinc]

all AI mods are kinda trashed afaik due to the update

huh

[ivory kiln]

nah i just wanna do it non lethal on some missions that's all

[foggy zinc]

i believe it has to do with changing the icon/name of the model in the loadout screen

[feral sequoia]

i had this issue too since it was trying to update my entire game using my slow ass hard drive instead of my c drive that it was installed on, just delete the game and reinstall after closing steam forcefully

[kindred fable]

just removed gunfighter, and everything other than in game menu so lets see if that fixes it

[craggy yew]

reading the patch notes im very happy to see gang gang is still on top and getting better 🔥

[foggy zinc]

ftc, you know what that means

you ain't takin' me bro

[winter lake]

Ides of march is playable now

[foggy zinc]

kick open the hallway door on spawn for funsies

[feral sequoia]

they all are, port hoken and hospital and even post office are perfectly fine now

[foggy zinc]

GREASED PALMS IS PLAYABLE NOW?

[winter lake]

Seems like they added more blocking volumes or something

[mossy ridge]

I still can't delete it

[feral sequoia]

before this update there was a huge game breaking bug in the warehouse area on port hoken where they would target you through all the containers and kill you with no gun sound and it's all fixed now

[winter lake]

But also seems like if you get the drop on them they actually hesitate. Feels like Swat4

[ivory kiln]

yeh

i remember when i played vanilla it was a pain in the ass

[pseudo scaffold]

Before hotfix I used to be able to turn on DLSS, but now i can't

[foggy zinc]

oooo

[pseudo scaffold]

did they change it so now it only works with certain GPU's?

[foggy zinc]

DLSS only works for RTX cards

they may have a system in place to detect that maybe then?

[pseudo scaffold]

Oooh, ty

[foggy zinc]

if all else fails just run FSR lel

[foggy zinc]

i assume that means you're a fellow GTX owner like me lol

[pseudo scaffold]

Yeah i have old card, so that's why it doesn't detect

[pseudo scaffold]

yeah

[foggy zinc]

yea use FSR

it'll boost your FPS and cool temps a ton

[pseudo scaffold]

thanks

[foggy zinc]

👍

[mossy ridge]

Honestly it feels like a malware at this point

[worthy sapphire]

That patch was quicker than I expected

[vague sparrow]

New RoN update? Alright has anybody updated their Ready or Not? Or whats new on this update?

[worthy sapphire]

#patch-notes

[bright valley]

Read the patch notes ya dork.

[worthy sapphire]

[kindred fable]

can confirm gunfighter is broken, at least the AIO version is broken, cant switch my guns if I have that mod on

[craggy yew]

another day another victory for the gas gang taking down the flash and stingers the U.S.I.A is among us

[foggy zinc]

rip

ima just deal with it for now cuz gunfighter is too important to me

SA58 is a good gun anyways lol

[tough spire]

Alright home and updating RoN. Lets gooo

[mossy ridge]

So? Any possible solutions for my problem?

[foggy zinc]

also unrelated question but do any of ya'll have any reshade mods to recommend?

[foggy zinc]

what was said problem

[mossy ridge]

.

[torn ember]

anyone having problems with crashing?

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

[chilly hamlet]

well i just crashed lol

[foggy zinc]

i honestly have no clue what to do with that

your game isn't able to be updated nor uninstalled?

are you just stuck on an old version then?

[mossy ridge]

I can't even launch it 💀

[foggy zinc]

oooooo

i would submit some form of help/support ticket if that's even possible here

[mossy ridge]

Can't delete it through file explorer either.

[foggy zinc]

no verifying game files either?

[tough spire]

That sounds like you have a windows problem

[torn ember]

how often has it been happening?

[mossy ridge]

It's stuck at 0%

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

[lean dome]

Crashed three times since the latest update. Not using any mods.

[foggy zinc]

i got no clue but my suggestion is don't panic and do random stuff yet

just take it slow and chill lol

[mossy ridge]

I mean i probably shouldn't have deleted mods while the game was updating 💀

[torn ember]

same

[foggy zinc]

might have to do with it in that case

not too sure tho

[uncut nacelle]

what could VOID add to make RoN perfect?

[shy tulip]

Replace players entirely with the SWAT AI

[tough spire]

Whoa. I just got shot at approaching Sullivan's Slope. Haven't seen that before

[foggy zinc]

allow me to pick the animations used for mag check and reloading for any and all guns

as well as the gun audio for funsies even if it ain't realistic

[crude prism]

Battlepass

[tough spire]

Ban this child ASAP

[mossy ridge]

I just got 1984'd 💀

[torn ember]

my game is still crashing

[little cloud]

The biggest add this game could get is optimization

[torn ember]

time to reinstall

[little cloud]

There's zero reason this game should run as poorly as it does on a 5950x and a 3090ti

[torn ember]

fr

[foggy zinc]

i think RON just hates higher end hardware lel

[little cloud]

Also

sitting at 100% loaded for over a minute

[tough spire]

Runs great on my 4070

[little cloud]

If it's not loaded, it's not loaded...

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[uncut nacelle]

Nice opinions, mine would be (Cutscenes before the mission, free weapon inspection, performance fix, maybe little story when u launched the game, how this all stuff started with LSPD, how crimes started, what did the goverment do etc)

[shrewd oriole]

Is the new patch good?

[uncut nacelle]

didnt tested it yet

[torn ember]

btw how is the AI

i haven't been able to play it yet cuz i keep on crashing

[stone bay]

same, but i just get fps drops to 20, but tbf i have mods

[thorny walrus]

many new almost gamebreaking bugs i never had before

[uncut nacelle]

Most of the ppl wants AI fixed, meanwhile me wanting replay freecam Track fixed for cinematics lol

[thorny walrus]

priorities

[uncut nacelle]

true

[little cloud]

Weird. I've got it on the high preset and I get drops into the 50s

[shrewd oriole]

Takes almost like, a month to post second patch, still broken. Beautiful

[thorny walrus]

suspects can now teleport out of your line of sight

[uncut nacelle]

rtx3050 8gb here, loading in the head quarters lil laggy

[tough spire]

Just ran first match and noticed some wild new clever AI behaviors on Sullivan's. It was awesome.

[thorny walrus]

been doing less lethal runs and they just teleport out of the gas or pepper to shoot you

[foggy zinc]

Is it unresponsive for you on load-in?

1070ti 8gb btw

[uncut nacelle]

i can load in etc, but the textures still loads up, walking with lag, after seconds all good, but even when everything is loaded, getting random lag spikes, when fps is stable on 60

[tough spire]

What kind of hard drive is it on

[smoky vine]

How much did the optimization improve?

[thorny walrus]

i have new stuttering after patch at 130 pfs

[foggy zinc]

Yea that's the same for me. I'm running Medium textures and everything else low. The textures and lighting takes a while to load; around 10-15 seconds ish. Lag spikes only happen for me on missions tho.

[little cloud]

Certainly not enough

[foggy zinc]

This is prior to today's patch so idk if anything changed.

[smoky vine]

Is the change noticable though?

[uncut nacelle]

on the missions yeah same, specially when u turn around fast, maybe thats just game optimisation problem

havent tested newest hot fix, new options should help

[little cloud]

Couldn't tell you. Haven't touched the game in months. Came back to see if it was in a good place. Not happy with it, so I guess I'll check in, in a couple months

[foggy zinc]

The annoying thing is that im capped to 35 FPS (my own setting), and it spikes down to 9 FPS at times, but usually it chills at 15 FPS for like 30 seconds.

[mossy ridge]

Just rebooted my PC.

[uncut nacelle]

new animations?

[foggy zinc]

My GPU is not throttling or goofing about at all either.

[smoky vine]

Same with me right now lmao

Just noticed Patch #2 came out

[mossy ridge]

Now it says that it will take more than a year to install the update

What a classic

[tough spire]

No. But new voicelines. New tactics.

[smoky vine]

I wish RoN didn't go the way it went. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great game; but, it doesn't feel like the SWAT sim it was meant to be.

[tough spire]

Right now I'm doing Brisa and pretty sure I'm listening to them break down which is very funny. There's something wild going on on the other side of this door.

[smoky vine]

Feels more like a Spec-Ops game with the facade of a SWAT shooter

[foggy zinc]

new voicelines?????????????????????????

watdahek

[uncut nacelle]

I think i remember my settings
Textures Epic
shadows high
other ones just turned off, cuz they aint making nothing.

motion blur etc.. off
dlss enabled

[tough spire]

Yeah Gerard was talking at me the entire engagement. It was wild.

[uncut nacelle]

render 99,

fov 110

[smoky vine]

oooh gotta see that

[foggy zinc]

i run all low besides textures lol

[mossy ridge]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[foggy zinc]

don't see a huge need for better graphics besides having clean textures

unless there's a way to make the game brighter then sign me up

[uncut nacelle]

1 thing fixed to get rid of lags in ron, just launch the game from folder, not steam

[foggy zinc]

cuz sometimes i can barely see targets

[foggy zinc]

really?

[uncut nacelle]

Yeap

for some reason it helped

[foggy zinc]

also do you launch the Shipping file in Win64 or am i stoobid

[uncut nacelle]

yes

[tough spire]

Try running it from steam but with steam overlay turned off

[split egret]

Really liking this update.

[uncut nacelle]

dont launch the first .exe one in ready or not folder, go to um.. binaries of something like that

[foggy zinc]

steam overlay is off by default tho and can be toggled right? unless u mean it can be perma off

[mossy ridge]

guess what

[dreamy garden]

Whatever they changed with the officer morale/mental health, is such a great change

four missions in a row and they're still content

[mossy ridge]

It fixed itself 💀

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message I mean disabling it entirely

[foggy zinc]

uh Shipping is no longer there lol

[dreamy garden]

brisa, minjot, ends of the earth, and greased palms

[uncut nacelle]

ngl i felt more smoothness without launching from steam, fps 130+ 2560x1440
meanwhile from steam 90+

[foggy zinc]

all i see is the crash reporter and System.IO.Compression.dll

[tough spire]

That's why I'm suggesting turning off steam overlay. See if it fixes it.

[uncut nacelle]

wait rl?

[foggy zinc]

nvm am stoobid its in engine

[foggy zinc]

D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Ready Or Not\ReadyOrNot\Binaries\Win64

[uncut nacelle]

yes

[foggy zinc]

I previously did: D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Ready Or Not\Engine\Binaries\Win64

[uncut nacelle]

lol

[foggy zinc]

which is wrong lel

we good now lol

[uncut nacelle]

tell me if its good

[uncut nacelle]

fair enough

havent played ron in a while so its gonna be hard to tell a difference lol

[foggy zinc]

just checked this and i already had it ticked off lol, what does the FPS counter do tho? Does it modify the position of the counter for each game respectively?

[tough spire]

Yeah there's a noticeable different in suspect AI this patch. More voice lines. Not quite as suicidal.

[tough spire]

It's just reading your frames per second on whatever game is running

[uncut nacelle]

i hope there's no more wallbanging from nowhere