👮ron-discussion

[earnest wolf]

heh oh yeah there's another one hiding somewhere. I hated the random location bombs on that map so much I've not played it since I finished it

[slate bear]

same, plus the map is moderately big so now im trynna find all of civs

then ihave to do rust belt which is almost as bad

[earnest wolf]

God yeah. I really struggled on carriers of the vine and the first time I finally finished it there was a civ I couldn't find. Search and secure didn't find them, and I honestly spent the best part of an hour searching the map before giving up

[slate bear]

yesss i found the last civilian!!

[earnest wolf]

so every time there's someone left and the end of the map I get minor anxiety now

nice!

[buoyant current]

tryna get mods from the ingame mod menu thingy and it just sasy "subscription failed"

[wispy burrow]

just saw a video of a cop mag dumping someone and yelling “PUT YOUR HANDS UP!” “DONT MOVE!” Reminded me of ready or not

[earnest wolf]

lol

[slate bear]

i think ive seen that video

[buoyant current]

any1 know y?

[wispy burrow]

suspects were in a Toyota Camry

[slate bear]

its probably somewere in #❓modding-faq-archive

now im gonna play thank you come again to clear my head

[earnest wolf]

Everyone has problems with mod.io. I tried using it for a bit and had loads of issues. if I was going to dl more mods I'd definitely use nexus

[buoyant current]

now my mods from nexus arent working.

[ivory kiln]

i love sniper or not

[crystal sierra]

In terms of AI accuarcy, either install AI overhaul mod, or, if you really want to play Vanilla, go for arm / hand shots, don't go for safe kill ( headshot ), they are more likely to drop weapon immidetly then die by headshots :X

[ivory kiln]

sry no prisoners

i use no crack for ai

[quartz bridge]

Just poking my head in here to check. Has Void finally said they are going to do something about their broken suspect AI?

[crystal sierra]

Nah

[quartz bridge]

lol thanks back to keeping in uninstalled then. What a joke

[fresh oxide]

The scene from your pfp is genuinely how I react when the overweight twitch streamer manages to handle a fully automatic .45 glock better than I can handle an m4

[crystal sierra]

I would say, try SDIF while they fix RoN xD Diffirent setting, but equally good :X

[quartz bridge]

Thanks fellas, glad to hear Im not the only one who feels this way. Ill give SDIF a shot when I have a chance.

[crystal sierra]

Much less content then in RoN as well, much much more smaller community ( around 6700 players overall with around 300 daily active ones ). As well majority of their community is NA, so, careful if you are EU xD

[quartz bridge]

I generally only play these games with a select few buddies and we are all NA based so no problem. Its been on our list but for some reason or another one of us hasn't actually made the purchase

[honest mica]

I honestly am a fan of Insurgency Sandstorm more than SDIF. Just more options in terms of guns, maps. SDIF makes you panic much more

Also the maps changing everytime is crazy. You never really know what you're getting into. Insurgency you can learn the map and spawns. Also revive teammates with ISMC mod. Not as fun when theres too many kids in a lobby all mowing down AI as soon as they spawn though.

[old scarab]

Hey guys i just finished the mindjot map mission, got all evidence and secured everything finished all objectives but got a C (2 cops in my squad were KIA) is that why i got C?

[honest mica]

Oh and as soon as you get shot at in SDIF your gun goes into low ready and you cant aim at your target. Would make a lot of sense IRL but is super restricting in terms of running and gunning

[honest mica]

yea officers being killed will lower the score, not sure about injured i think its only if they die

it will tell you everything you did wrong while it's giving you your score as well, right in the middle of the circle

btw thats pretty impressive to do that mission alone its tough as balls

[old scarab]

Clear the roof first, block the exits outside with wedges and use a riot sheild with flashbangs, clear all enemies and civs then after ur done order ur team to do search and secure, easiest way i found

[honest mica]

hell yea bro wedges are overlooked

[dense quest]

I REALLY don't like gas grenades ngl

I tried to gas amos and he fucking runs outside

if that was a stinger or flash he would've stayed in his place

[stone bay]

If I’m using gas, it’s primarily on a small map like Ends of the Earth or the apartments on 23 Megabytes.

[shadow fern]

damn, everytime i go do the sorting area in greased palms, either one of my officers die or i die

[stone bay]

I feel that

[shadow fern]

I should really just push on through because its just practice mode, Just to unlock the other missions

should really just try hard in commander mode tbh :/

[hardy plinth]

Do enemies just not flinch most of the time?

Just did a centred shot with a shotgun from 10m and he just stood there shooting me

[shadow fern]

I think they do flinch, but ya know… meth

But they still fire with hardly any problems

[drifting sand]

Holy hells; Ends of the Earth is a gut punch.

[mighty elbow]

GREETINGS!!!

[clear quest]

Am I only one thinking traits work not as it intended? It seems like they are working before being unlocked

[fresh oxide]

hello jenna

[tired kestrel]

get good

smart play > crack ai

[earnest comet]

I know the AI swat become “invincible” (you can still neutralize them with the LVAR .50 Beowulf mod via dismemberment of the head or both legs, they won’t register as dead but they’ll collapse and drop their weapon) once you do something that triggers the ‘kill me’ command, but does going rogue like that reduce you to a one shot kill for anything? I accidentally shot a hostage and was able to deal with my swat team using the aforementioned modded LVAR, but then died instantly to my own stinger grenade launcher even though I aimed it at the middle of the room I was about to clear

[earnest comet]

Was he wearing body armor or was he one of the suspects that’s canonically on crack?

[crude prism]

If you trigger the 'kill me' command (by shooting a civ/suspect/etc), you'll probably hear the low-health-beep, but won't see your paperdoll change at all because it doesn't update in real time.

It's always 1 hit behind.

You are literally set to 1 HP

[crude prism]

This is currently the case, they are flipped right now.

[earnest comet]

For some reason the Swat AI didn’t shoot me even after I triggered the command, just started yelling at me like a suspect until I blew their limbs off. It was through a pretty cheeky pixel peek on a modded map so their AI might not have been fully working

[crude prism]

They'll still only shoot at you with LOS, so you can kinda cheese them if they can't path to you

If you want to see the HP thing, just go on gas and give the AI pepperballs + no secondary ammo

They'll hit you and deal no damage so your doll will update from 100% health to 1%

[earnest comet]

I’ll try that

I also wanna see if dismemberment applies to the trailers (the dudes who come in and carry restrained people out) or if I can get them to shoot at me/kill me

[tough spire]

wtf, traits are only working if not unlocked right now!?

[earnest comet]

Good thing none of my officers survive or stay employed long enough to unlock their traits 🥂

[ivory kiln]

i just wanna have fun

[crude prism]

I thought they were just 100% broke, but yes, the check for whether the trait is unlocked is flipped, lol

[tough spire]

that's like the best news I could possibly have. no more grinding gas station for awhile, just firing people who get too good

[crude prism]

Seems like someone at Void had the bool flipped to quickly test by booting + hiring new guys

And forgot to change it back

[ivory kiln]

i especially love the m249

[earnest comet]

I’m having way too much fun with Ballistic’s Gen 12 weapon mod

But I’d love to give all my officers SAWs and sit outside while they go inside and see how well they do

[bright valley]

1.0 baby!

[crude prism]

Was working on 1.0, got broke with the Jan19th patch I believe

So it's just standard Void patching

[bright valley]

[clear quest]

nah, I've noticed moral officer starts work instantly you get an officer (4th jan)

[bright valley]

I really don't want to be a "VOID heckler" but, fellas pls.

[crude prism]

💀

[prime wing]

professional hater

[earnest comet]

As opposed to semi-professional or recreational

[bright valley]

I think there's an occupiable space between "hater" and "uncritical".

Trying to keep it within there.

[slate bear]

why does this mindjot-voll health house type music play whenever i secure michael's PC in 23 megabytes a second?

like it was the literal mindjot data center ambient ost and health house

[prime wing]

phd in Hateonomics

[bright valley]

Okay, now I know y'all are taking the piss.

[crude prism]

The missions are connected story wise. It's a subtle thing you won't notice until playing each of the maps the first time around

[slate bear]

that makes sense

[bright valley]

Foreshadowing reflected in the soundtrack.

[hardy plinth]

I'm pretty sure not
It was one of the guys on The Spider

[crude prism]

Spider guys have soft armor, it's enough to catch buck

[tough spire]

I think it's incredibly important for fans to be critical of the things they enjoy. I'd even argue it's dangerous not to be.

[earnest comet]

I don’t have enough brain cells to be critical and enjoy something at the same time

[crude prism]

Erm, how can you enjoy a game even though it is flawed?????????????

[tough spire]

☝️ Brag

[earnest comet]

That’s why i hate GB after playing it so much and see nothing wrong with RoN rn

/j lmao

[tough spire]

Heck yes GB fam.

[prime wing]

if you are critical, then people will tell you "Well duh the game is clearly not for you". Suicide Squad defenders💀

[tough spire]

I'll take your word for it

[earnest comet]

Aye I played 400 hours of GB in a little less than a year and finally grew tired of the tactishits being tactishitty and the Al-Qaeda cosplays, well, yk. I was in a pretty chill public server group for a while but decided to take a hiatus from committing war crimes on the CIA’s dime and decided to do it on the LSPD’s payroll instead. Lemme say there’s nothing wrong with the people who role play tactically on GB or in any game but I wasn’t enjoying it after a while

[tough spire]

I just enjoy shootin' terry's with the gang and creating increasingly ridiculous challenges for ourselves. It's just fun watching it develop right now. But it's a long ways off

[earnest comet]

Indeed. I like it when the group comes up with briefings and we split into elements but when people try to come up with lore and a backstory for their in game character and repeatedly share it in voice or text chat it gets old quickly. If I want lore I’ll play RoN which does a masterful job of environmental storytelling on top of everything else it does well. Also the AI in GB haven’t really presented a challenge since I became accustomed to their aimbotting (which is worse than the crackiest of crackheads in RoN) and I’m too bad at the game to enjoy PvP

[foggy zinc]

213 park homes moment

[earnest comet]

Fair counterpoint

[prime wing]

big if true

[crystal sierra]

I swear, school shooters on Elephant mission have better accuarcy then ones on Mindjot xD Ffs, one of them is using AK47 😭

[earnest comet]

They’re also very aggressive which makes perfect sense for the scenario

[foggy zinc]

the worst part of elephant is the long hall near caf from northern entrance

as well as that seminar room thing

library also sucks cuz low visibility

[crystal sierra]

I mean, i agree but still, let's say they are students, there is almnost no chance for them not being scared of full armed SWAT team going towards them, AI is cracked rn.

[foggy zinc]

i mean if they were scared then they wouldn't be holding hallways where we can flank or pinch from

[earnest comet]

I put my NODs down every time before I enter the seminar. I 9-bang and use stinger launcher the library if I know or even think there’s a suspect

I also try and aim for their pelvic area since that’s unarmored and much easier to hit than their noggin if they’re strafing side to side or moving in general

[versed trail]

hey i changed in beta to supportedalpha and it didnt do anything i didnt buy supporter edition just wanted to know what it does

[earnest comet]

I like to have the swat ai hold outside until I make initial contact for some reason

[crystal sierra]

My point is, someone busted into school with C2 explosion plus Gas, untrained kids legit don't have a chance overall, irl forces are usually using shields with light / reflectors as well, so, being blind from shield adds to overall fear, sadly we don't have it ingame 🗂️

[bitter mason]

is it just me or are teammate ai running out of flashbangs too quick

[earnest comet]

It’s entirely possible that these kids have been planning their attack for a while. Perhaps canonically they’re tactishit gooner gun guys who watch Brandon Herrera and just had too much to deal with

[crystal sierra]

It's a bug, sometimes you will not get option to flash, but you will get it on the next door

[bitter mason]

yea figured

[earnest comet]

I suggest this because i am a tactishit gooner gun guy who watches Brandon Herrera but i am also in a good state of mind lmao

I find it a little odd that I’ve had up to six active shooters at once though. I feel like one or two with no bombs would be more realistic (but also far easier)

Nvm i have a mod that increases the maximum allowed number of suspects. Idk how many shooters are the max in the vanilla game

[foggy zinc]

for elephant the max is 4

in fact its always 4

which is good cuz idk what i'd do if it was like 10 suspects

[earnest comet]

I’d die, probably

[foggy zinc]

"nah, I'd win"

[crystal sierra]

My general problem on elephant is the fact that they are killing civs too fast, finished mission 3/4 times already, none are S because of some civs get killed -.-

[foggy zinc]

just gotta be aggressive and bum rush

i've learnt that the AI are far more punishing when you sit around and do nothing

[earnest comet]

I’ve done it with no civilians killed and still no S. I think you have to take some or all of the suspects alive to S rank elephant

[crystal sierra]

Yeah... if i tell you that the suspect surrendered on doorway and i got killed by him because i couldn't cross in time? xDDD

[foggy zinc]

if you ever just run at them it's very easy to get the jump and put them down

[foggy zinc]

always need to take everyone alive for S

[crystal sierra]

I don't even want to talk about small rooms where i get stuck cuz of my AI teammates

[earnest comet]

How many seconds after load in do the shooters start hunting? Is there even a count down at all?

[foggy zinc]

I believe it's once you enter the building or start moving

most likely the latter

the shots at the beginning of the mission are in fact them shooting at walls and the floor

[crystal sierra]

No, it's random, that's the problem, there is also some suspects pre-action wounded, but sometimes, bodies get randomized so you don't even know if they killed them or they were like that

[earnest comet]

Also there’s a sound mod that adds an alarm and PA announcement that really adds to the ambience of the map which I love

[bright valley]

One good rule of thumb for Elephant is that if you hear civilian voices, someone is in danger and you need to move in.

[earnest comet]

I wish more of the civilians would try and make a break for it or at least do more than shelter in place

Unless they already do that and I’m just dumb

[foggy zinc]

nope they just chill and get shot at i believe

[earnest comet]

I just downloaded the “in game menu mod” and I’m about to try active shooter on some other maps lol

[bright valley]

It's possible that it's just the one suspect playing pretend, but generally the civs don't make a lot of noise unless the shooter is already in the room and they're pleading for their life.

[foggy zinc]

you can do that with the mod??????????????????????

[earnest comet]

I think so

I’ll tell you in a sec

[foggy zinc]

[shadow tendon]

Can’t wait till we get the reveal that the Elephant shooters are rogue CIA agents and Judges long lost twin brothers uncles cousins who are also Serbian human traffickers

[earnest comet]

After opening the in game menu from the main menu theres a list of all the levels. I’ll just post a vid or series of pics in the media channel

[bright valley]

The only bit of lore I've found intriguing in Elephant is that Watt Community College apparently had a fire in 1997, meanwhile Twisted Nerve's S-rank evidence references a "1997 Los Suenos Fire" that killed hundreds of 213 Park Homes residents.

[earnest comet]

It was me (my steam name makes a not so subtle reference to arson)

Also the in game menu mod does work I’m playing active shooter on 4U rn with no issues yet

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

[earnest comet]

Nvm it insta-ended. Bring order to chaos and rescue all the civilians right off the bat. There must not be any AI spawns for this gamemode on this map and I’d imagine it’s the same across the board. Also apparently I can’t type properly to save my life

Damn lmao

[foggy zinc]

lol

[bright valley]

I kind of suspect that MLO and/or other factions in RoN's universe could be accelerationists.

[foggy zinc]

wat

i don't speak stone tablet officer

[bright valley]

In the sense that there's hints of both "oh no, everything's going to shit, we need to clamp down and do something" and "let's intentionally make things go to shit" stuff going on.

[earnest comet]

RoN is actually GTA5 from the police side of things with all the crimes going on 🤭

But yeah I get what you’re saying

speaking of factions I’d love to see something along the lines of Ex-spetznaz operators turned PMCs doing some operation on behalf of some foreign power in the US mainland (los sueños specifically)

Modded map idea. If I knew how to make those lol

Give the AI an excuse to be cracked

[bright valley]

Can't target and kill people for no reason, buuut if you put guns in their hands and pull strings so they try to use them...

[earnest comet]

Aye

[foggy zinc]

Aye

[earnest comet]

It sounds like a plot point from a Tom Clancy book tbh

[bright valley]

IDK, that's the vibe I get with some of the lore. Mostly a hunch though.

[ivory kiln]

we need a map where 2 factions are shooting at eachother

[earnest comet]

Tom Clancy’s Threat Vector has Chinese special forces operating on American soil and killing American civilians, LE personnel, and I think clandestine intelligence people too. That seems like something SWAT would respond to, even/especially if no one knew they were dealing with an incursion by a rival nation. Idk I like the idea but I’m not sure how well it could be implemented in game

Not particularly realistic but interesting nonetheless

[bright valley]

I'm reminded a lot of the Dark Army from Mr. Robot, where there's this huge mysterious faction that has a seemingly unlimited ability to infiltrate anywhere and manipulate social narratives to suit their aims.

[earnest comet]

Hydra/Atlas/The Syndicate moment

[bright valley]

If they want someone dead, they'll find some way that person ends up dead without anyone finding the circumstances suspicious.

[earnest comet]

Marvel, Shooter (TV Show, not movie), and Mission impossible respectively

That feeling when i realize I’ve been paying more attention to discord than RoN and I forgot I started an elephant playthrough and the bombs just went off

[bright valley]

lmao, suckerrrr

[earnest comet]

It was loud too

I didn’t have my headphones in and I still heard it

[pine stream]

can suspects hear you arresting civillians? i swear to god they rush me everytime i put cuffs on someone

[white goblet]

command: attack when player vulnerable = true
yeah i code

[bright valley]

There's voice lines in the files where they react to the player reloading their weapon, so I suppose it's possible they could have that sort of situational awareness, but I'm not entirely sure.

[pine stream]

interesting

[bright valley]

Lot of unused stuff in the VO files.

[tough spire]

if (vulnerable) then {murderRush} else {murderLater};

[earnest comet]

That’s why I canoe any downed suspects when there’s more than one per room or if I know there’s others in proximity (I can restrain the bodies later) and that, in turn, is why I have never, and probably will never, s-rank any map

I just hit MMB and 5 on civilians after they’re compliant

[bright valley]

If (Not vulnerable) then {vulnerable = True};

[solemn cairn]

hey is there any way to restock on ammo

[earnest comet]

Not in mission

[solemn cairn]

damn

i only have two 1911 mags left

[foggy zinc]

if not not True: return False

yes i program in python

[bright valley]

Low ammunition per slot weapon problems

[earnest comet]

There are -mods- to increase your slot count without overdoing it but you can’t get more ammo or even scavenge ammo or weapons once you’re in mission

[bright valley]

The double negative is not very Pythonic

[crude prism]

Real gamers just use the stab vest for the extra 2 slots and then die instantly like the heroes they are

[tough spire]

DrakeMemeNo: Wearing heavy armor and having no slots
DrakeMemeYes: Having a dozen gas grenades and never taking a hit

[bright valley]

I may die, but I die loaded with kit.

[crude prism]

"slightly more useful but made of glass"

[earnest comet]

If I have less than five mags left at the end of Sins of the Father, I didn’t bring enough ammo to feel comfortable

[bright valley]

lmao

[crude prism]

I never bring more than 5 mags total lmao

split between primary + secondary

(to be fair I'm also never using SMGs which are pretty shite ammo wise)

[bright valley]

Yeah, 3 primary 2 secondary is my go if I'm playing duos or something, usually running a .300 blackout rifle in semi auto.

[tough spire]

3/2 is a good split, that's about my usual, too.

Unless subs. Then like 6/1

[bitter mason]

I usually take 4 primary and 2 secondary mags

[bright valley]

Could probably bring the secondary down to 1 but I really hate the idea of not being able to reload the gun at all.

IDK. Equipment/ammo economy in RoN is weird.

[earnest comet]

I bring 7 mags to simulate 3 on my front placard, one on my left side cummerbund, and two on my belt plus one in the gun. If I don’t know what to expect I bring 3 AP/4 JHP. If I know I’m going to be facing armored suspects I’ll use 5 and 2, if I don’t expect armored suspects I’ll bring 1 and 6 (AP and JHP respectively). I run 3 pistol mags to simulate two on my belt plus one in the gun. I exclusively run JHP with the peestol

[crude prism]

Same some mags for the rest of us! The LSPD is starving over here

[earnest comet]

I stole all my AI swat’s ammo and make them carry like twenty flash bangs between them

[crude prism]

Tbh I wish that the pistols were actually semi-reliable and didn't wobble all over the place when firing at more than a snails pace

[bright valley]

A dozen primary mags to simulate the duffel bag of shit I brought with me.

[earnest comet]

I do have gunfighter but I have a lot of unused slots

[mighty elbow]

just do all AP if they don't have armor shoot them more with AP

[earnest comet]

I kept hitting the neighbors dog tho

[crude prism]

But once in 300 hours you'll hit someone through a wall!!!

[bright valley]

lmao imagine. Duffel bag with a shitload of slots but no protection and you move like you're in full steel.

(do not actually do this, VOID)

[earnest comet]

I typically run an sr-16 mod with the ATACR (also modded) because I’m an LPVO fanatic

[tough spire]

C2 every single door simultaneously on each breach. I'm so here for this.

[earnest comet]

Like that’s one of your AI’s ability/perk thing

[mighty elbow]

that happened to me on rth mail map i didn't know a civvie was hiding in a semi truck and somehow my sa 58 hit them through andother bad guy and through the truck

[earnest comet]

Just a fuck ton of extra ammo for the bois

[foggy zinc]

what mod(s) do you use officer ?

[bright valley]

Walking into the building and killing suspects just so you can place charges on the interior doors as well.

[earnest comet]

You want the whole list?

[foggy zinc]

i too like copying peoples' setups

[earnest comet]

Wait one

[foggy zinc]

understood captain

[tough spire]

I'm theorycrafting a build and run right now where I C2 every exterior door to a building simultaneously then entering and every door on the next level C2ing open, etc. so every time I "breach" the next room I set off every other door possible. Curious what it does to the suspect morale

[bright valley]

New speedrunning/challenge category, doing the largest simultaneous C2 as quickly as possible.

[crude prism]

F

it happens

[bright valley]

Morale tanked, stress peaked.

[tough spire]

Like, are they gonna be threatened by/check out a door that is C2'd but nobody is there? Now I'm curious about using C2 as a DISTRACTION

[earnest comet]

I love how the AI dry hump the c2 when they’re using it to breach a door like I’m sure if I stood that close I’d die

[bright valley]

Anthony you're gonna break my fucking door!

[crude prism]

"your hearing issues are not service related"

[earnest comet]

Huh? Did you say something? Speak up, I have service related hearing issues!

Also holy shit Judge is a speed demon rn and I didn’t realize the speed mod also gave more health

[foggy zinc]

your hearing loss is not related to your unsuppressed SA-58 usage

[earnest comet]

I need to read mod descriptions lol

[ivory kiln]

what mod?

[earnest comet]

Strong SWAT or something

[ivory kiln]

pls tell me

[earnest comet]

The pak file is called HealthFast500 oops

[crude prism]

Bro 160 to 500 is absurd 💀

[bright valley]

the HealthFast500 sounds like a racing event

[earnest comet]

The Nexus mod page is called Stronger Swat for 1.0

It does sound like a NASCAR race, but I ain’t interested in being the juggernaut I just wanted to be able to move faster

[bright valley]

Roleplaying the High Table enforcers from John Wick 3.

[earnest comet]

I think there’s a mod that increases low-ready movement speed so it’s like sprinting if you keybind hold low-ready to shift

[fresh oxide]

Family Guy roleplay in the ready or not discord server

[earnest comet]

Ima try that

[ivory kiln]

if you combine with sniper or not you can become a juggernaut

[bright valley]

holy crahp lois, they're shootin' at us

[foggy zinc]

link mayhaps?

also speaking of sniper or not, what weapons come in with it and does it have any known conflicts with other mods

[earnest comet]

Pre 1.0 though
https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/2990

Wait do I have sniper or not installed?

Nvm I don’t. I’ve heard there was conflict between it and Gunfighter but I’m not sure.

[ivory kiln]

the m249

[earnest comet]

Coming from ground branch, I’m used to literally no recoil on a 5.56 platform so I searched for a long time to find a weapon mod that had recoil I deemed acceptable tbh

[ivory kiln]

which is why i downloaded it

[foggy zinc]

just use the ARWC or G36 for no recoil

[earnest comet]

I turned my ARWC into a honey mustard rifle lol

[foggy zinc]

if anything recoil isn't a worry, it's moreso acquiring your target for me at least

watdahek is a mustard rifle

[tough spire]

Seasoned high tier operators the LSPD ain't

[earnest comet]

They skipped arm day to make sure nobody was messing with the 4U gas station

[ivory kiln]

what kind of drugs does judge use

[foggy zinc]

strong coffee provided he can get the machine working

and the lowest quality crack provided by the 213 park homes

[ivory kiln]

i think he's on amphetamine

[earnest comet]

Yum 😋

How big of a performance impact does multiplay have on the game? I’m already on a low end platform and I don’t wanna crash in the middle of a mission and leave my group a man down.

[foggy zinc]

watdahek is multiplay

[earnest comet]

Playing with other people idk I just call it multiplay

[foggy zinc]

multiplayer lobbies have 0 performance impact, you're playing on your game client and everything is sent to a server, the only performance impact here has to do with latency and server performance

[hardy plinth]

How good are the pepperball guns?

Are they worth taking over the beanbag?

[digital bloom]

no

beanbags are better and more effective

[tough spire]

If you're inexperienced, no.

[earnest comet]

Awesome

[tough spire]

They're extremely good, contextually. You need to learn how to use them well. They're got a bit of a learning curve to know how they work (and don't) and how to use their little gas clouds well.

[earnest comet]

@heavy oak having really bad bandwidth issues rn, if it improves I’ll join up

[bright valley]

It's all in those gas clouds, honestly. Beanbags beat the pepperballs in pure stopping power, but the beanbags are a one trick pony in that regard.

Full LTL runs may get really interesting if we get the secondary TPL. Beanbags and pepperballs in the same loadout.

[bitter mason]

I actually looked into it a bit, turns out each enemy has a "stun health" which is around 100, when it reaches 0 the enemy is stunned , pretty much every item that stuns does 100 stun damage except for pepperballs, they do like 25 so it takes a lot of shots to actually stun someone with them
and by the time that has happened you're likely full of holes

[tough spire]

That's why you never try to toe to toe gunfight with pepperballs

[bright valley]

Yeah, you have to leverage indirect fire and just plain ol' shooting people in the back to get the most out of the pepperballs.

[bitter mason]

beanbags are probably just the better option for the player

[bright valley]

Honestly, I kinda like the balancing of beanbag vs pepperball at the moment. They both have their moments.

[bitter mason]

pepperballs definitely feel the most underwhelming to me rn

but thats probably because suspects will still nail you while you're firing at them

[tough spire]

There's no "better" overall there's "which is better right now"

[bright valley]

I recommend going into the shoothouse without a gas mask and playing around with the VKS to get a sense of how the pepper clouds actually work, doing that completely 180'd my opinion on the pepperballs.

[bitter mason]

enemies cant be immune to either, gasmasks dont actually function for suspects and body armour doesnt block beanbags, so ultimately its just up to preference, but beanbags are probably more reliable since one shot is pretty much gonna be a stun

[daring lily]

teh family guy house would be a cool map to raid

[crude prism]

pepperball applies stun + the CS effect separately

in theory you could hit someone with a gas mask 4 times to stun them, while not actually applying the CS effect

[bright valley]

(though right now suspect gas masks are all cosmetic)

[crude prism]

the stun is what makes them stop moving

[bright valley]

The only thing that isn't 100% clear to me is how the pepper cloud mechanics actually work, since the visuals for them are kind of hard to see.

[crude prism]

they're basically invisible but last ~10 seconds if my memory serves

[bright valley]

I don't know if it's an RNG-based thing per shot, or like you need to spam the area a number of times or what. All I know is that one pepperball doesn't seem to be enough to cause an AoE.

[earnest comet]

How many pepperballs does it take to stun a suspect?
More than you have.

[crude prism]

I believe it's 6

to cause a cloud

[bright valley]

On average, 4 ;P

[earnest comet]

Meanwhile, I can “stun” a suspect with a single 5.56 JHP to the chest, at least long enough to “stun” them again with a second 5.56 JHP to the cranium

I’m never gonna S-rank anything bro 😭

[dense quest]

my bum ass thought 4 p90 mags was gonna be enough to clear valley of the dolls

[tough spire]

Only takes like 1-2 to get 'em coughing from the cloud tho

[earnest comet]

Everyone point and laugh at this guy for thinking 4 p90 mags was enough to clear valley of the dolls

[dense quest]

😔

[tough spire]

How are you blowing through 4,000 rounds like that

[earnest comet]

No I’m sorry I didn’t mean it

[bright valley]

4000, 200, same difference

[dense quest]

suspects perma strafing while shooting and going in and out of cover so I'm missing shots

[bright valley]

Are you aiming for the head or something?

[earnest comet]

Suppressive fire is how, I’d imagine

[tough spire]

At their feet

[earnest comet]

Aim at their pelvic area

[dense quest]

vanilla ai plays like csgo sometimes after all

[earnest comet]

Make sure they can’t procreate more bad guys

Plus they don’t have armor down there

[bright valley]

Weird.

I too saw Whiskey's shot placement video lol

[earnest comet]

There’s a video?

I was originally joking but then I realized they don’t actually wear pelvic armor flaps or whatever they’re called

Like literally none of the armored suspects have them

But if there’s a video that helps with shot placement I’ll def go check that out

[tough spire]

Um, it's called the Groin Guard.

[crude prism]

the "aim for the pelvic area" doesn't work in ron because of the current hitboxes

crotch is counted as* torso

[earnest comet]

The nongenderspecificnonosquare plate

Oh

[tough spire]

Oh grandpa, there are women fighting in the army now. We don't gender our armor.

[earnest comet]

Damn you’re right

My bad don’t cancel me pls

[brazen axle]

sentenced to 10 years of twitter

[earnest comet]

[Z] KILL ME

Uhhh TOC

[bright valley]

The TL;DW of Whiskey's vid is "With the aim to stop the threat: center mass by default, pelvic area to subvert armor, head as a last resort (e.g. human shield scenarios), limbs risk bleedouts"

[tough spire]

I always try for the head which is probably why I die.

[bright valley]

If you're aiming to just kill and not simply stop the threat, a lot of that can go out the window. Center mass is still the largest target, but headshots are obviously going to be very potent.

[earnest comet]

I go for the head at distance and I’m pretty good at landing those but once they get closer I have a hard time using the LPVO so I switch to canted position and go for center mass or upper torso

I also have a bad habit of going for the head when I need the suspect alive (Voll, FISA Agent Adam, etc.)

[silk junco]

adam

[earnest comet]

Thank you

[silk junco]

idk what i did

[bright valley]

Yeah, police work doesn't exactly prioritize headshots

[earnest comet]

Oh I thought you were correcting me mb lol

[tough spire]

It's a good thing we don't operate like police officers

[silk junco]

oh lmao sorry

[earnest comet]

That makes sense but for me it’s instinct. I’m getting better about not killing ppl I need alive and not getting killed by ppl who don’t necessarily need to live lol

[bright valley]

I sorta try to, the continuum of force makes for a fun gameplay loop when it's applicable.

[earnest comet]

University WiFi seems to be not acting up anymore so I’m about to try my hand at a group again

[tough spire]

My realism plays involve me just going around with a pistol and shooting first.

[bright valley]

😏

[earnest comet]

An honest days work as a police officer

Or as John wick idk

[stone bay]

Will Ron be on consoles

[bright valley]

I cannot get this to work to save my life, quite literally.

[tough spire]

Are you like, nailing their feet? Cos thats the only way I can

[earnest comet]

Gunfighter adds a MK18 simmunition, I wonder if that would be like the pepperball but better

[bright valley]

I'm testing it out in 4U, always seems to take more than 1-2 shots to get the coughing to start. Roughly 4 to stop the threat whether that's direct hit stuns or the cloud forming.

[tough spire]

Are they active already?

[bright valley]

Seems to be the same regardless.

When you say nailing their feet, do you mean the floor where they're standing, or you're literally sniping toes with the VKS?

[tough spire]

Like right at their feet, so yeah I guess sniping toes

My mental image of doing this is popping their feet as they do that silly "uhhhh oh god what now" back-away walk thing they do when startled

[bright valley]

'cause I'm trying to figure out if it's the actual impact versus flesh that's making the difference.

I doubt you have a video or a recording setup to demo this, not that I don't trust you, I just literally can't seem to reproduce the results.

[crude prism]

Looking at the files it doesn't deal damage. But in theory would still apply the 'stun' effect after 4 hits

[tough spire]

Well now I'm trying to figure out if I've just hallucinated this. Have you tried shooting at their feet once they've surrendered?

[bright valley]

Uhhh hmm, I might need to tase a guy and then try to shoot pepperballs near him for a proper control.

[tough spire]

Because unlike hitting them when they're up, I'll do that a lot

It's a great way to keep someone from popping up and stabbing you when you're arresting people

[earnest comet]

Once I finish this CQB shoot house run I’ll switch to the Sim rounds MK18 and see if it does indeed stun

[bright valley]

'cause if I pepper him to surrendering and then pepper the floor shortly afterwards that seems like tainted results

[tough spire]

okay House Flipper can wait for a bit, now I'm too curious

[bright valley]

lmao house flipper

[tough spire]

Jusssssst as soon as I finish putting down this American Ash paneling.

[bright valley]

Honestly I'm not even trying to be super metagamey or anything with this game, I just want to know how the mechanics actually work so I can apply proper technique/strategy.

[tough spire]

Break everything then play is a fun way to go

[bright valley]

Very easy to get frustrated if you have a habit like shooting pepperballs in 3-round bursts when it turns out 4 was the sweet spot all along.

Speaking of... Taser to suspect surrender, then restraining and pepperballing the floor between the suspect's knees is really supporting the "it's 4 to stun and 4 to get a cloud" theory.

Like I'll literally shoot three, no response for 3-4 seconds, shoot one more and AUGHEUGHEUGH

[dense quest]

House flipper 1 or 2?

[tough spire]

2, although I've put in some hours on 1

[dense quest]

Something about 1 is more charming

But I enjoyed some of 2 as well

[tough spire]

2 has a long way to go but the bones are soooooo much better

[dense quest]

Yeah if they keep up it'll be great in a year or so I imagine

[tough spire]

Give it a few DLCs/mod support and it'll surpass easily

[dense quest]

Anyways back to ron discussion 🤣

[tough spire]

Oh, uh... yeah. Let me finish up this American Ash siding on my MOUT course...

[bright valley]

Ah shit, got wallbanged to death with a Calico. Really funny that my death is avenged by the quadruple Prescott MP5A2 squad though.

They were just patiently waiting outside where I left them, then "Pepperball lady died, MOVE MOVE MOVE"

[tough spire]

Dang. What a good looking wooden frame for an incredibly ugly house. Okay time to go shoot some feet.

[bright valley]

🦶🦶🔍

grippers located

[tough spire]

whoa

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[bright valley]

Oh yeah, welcome to that. I think it only appears after you've beat all the missions.

[tough spire]

THERE'S PLAYABLE PONG IN THE BASEMENT

[bright valley]

George pls I know you play this game a lot, how are you just now discovering these things

[tough spire]

I clearly never explored the HQ very hard after finishing the campaign

[bright valley]

Clearly, lol

[earnest comet]

A whole new world

[tough spire]

I'm trying to find the "practice arresting" guy and just finding so many things

[bright valley]

You have to go downstairs towards the shoothouse but take a right instead of a left when you get to the weapon selection

[tough spire]

Oh I found him finally. He's also showing no joy on 2 shots

[bright valley]

You're kidding

[tough spire]

Or 4

[bright valley]

GEORGE PLS

[tough spire]

He surrendered when I hit 3 to his feet, but now that he's down he's not seeming to really care about anything

Just unloaded a whole mag and he's unphased

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[bright valley]

I can absolutely submerge that guy in a cloud and he doesn't even visibly or audibly react.

[tough spire]

I just threw 6 CS grenades at his feet. Yeah. Bad person to test on.

Hokay. Off to the map I distinctly remember doing this on: Valley of the Dolls

OKAY! Mixed results. It does take about 4 at the feet to get them down. But once they're down I can keep 'em down by alternating 2 at them every so often.

[bright valley]

From what I can tell, the pepperballs seems to be capable of leaving a lingering AoE that doesn't do anything until enough have been shot.

Like you can shoot three, wait a little bit, and shoot a fourth and it'll work.

[tough spire]

It's a weird mechanic. I basically ambushed 2 guards at the front room and kept 'em locked down until a third guy flanked me and ruined my fun

It's like a decaying value that keeps being added on every time you send out more, is what I'm thinking

[bright valley]

That'd make sense, and when the value is high enough it starts taking effect.

Very neat.

[tough spire]

Okay my new official stance is: Just keep popping until they coughing.

Cos this time I just did 6 at this guy's feet and he gave zero F's.

[bright valley]

So far, opening with a 4 round burst to either center mass or the floor beneath them and then continuing to put out extra shots as needed seems to be a good technique to me. Moving in for a thump if they're coughing but not stunned or surrendering seems fairly safe too, assuming it's not putting you in a bad position.

[tough spire]

So I just repeatedly beaned this one in the head with no surrender shouts and he ate a mag and a half of VKS.

I kind of think he only surrendered because of proximity to me

[bright valley]

Something's fucked if you're beaning a guy in the head to no response, that should kill people.

[tough spire]

A pepperball killing? It would sure hurt like hell

[bright valley]

When you said beaned I thought you mean beanbag.

[tough spire]

oh no, sorry, I was uhhh... gently sending balls of spicy love repeatedly to the same guard in Voll and he soaked a mag and a half of them until he stumbled too close to me and surrendered

[bright valley]

Yeah I don't think autonomous surrenders without shouts are common.

Regardless of how much force you apply.

[tough spire]

Alright after brutalizing these poor Voll house guards repeatedly I have come to the conclusion that none of this is ever consistent.

[bright valley]

It would be really funny but super gamey if this were the case. Just sneaking around silently peppering people who are just like "Agh, oww! Who the fuck are you? Okay I surrender? What the fuck even is this?"

[tough spire]

Sometimes you can get em in a couple hits, sometimes you can spray away and they're just grumpy

[drifting burrow]

i tried to arrest the voll guy for more than 2 minutes and he wouldn't surrender

[tough spire]

Winning play = repeatedly hit them in the head shouting until they surrender

[drifting burrow]

idk why that happened tbh

[bright valley]

You don't need to hit them in the head lmao

[tough spire]

Isn't it a higher stun chance?

[drifting burrow]

i think its about the same

[bright valley]

I've wondered it, but haven't seen anything in the config file to indicate it.

There's just a "stun health" that is usually 100 for almost everyone, and then different tools/weapons do "stun damage"

[crude prism]

There's no morale change for headshots vs bodyshots on NL

Same for stun

[drifting burrow]

i found the clip i uploaded before of it #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[tough spire]

I wonder if the gas is hitting faster if at the head

but who knows. The more I die repeatedly to test with these guys the less certain I am of anything.

[bright valley]

(TBI from a beanbag to the head is certainly demoralizing)

I think morale/stress are always going to be way harder to test than simple stunning. Those have a ton of contributing factors.

[tough spire]

ohhhh that's a good point. My experience previously didn't take into account I'd been mid-run when I did it before

Opening a door into an unaware guard to say hello is def. going to give different results

[bright valley]

I can't guarantee that 4 pepperballs will get a surrender, but it definitely seems to get a stun or a cloud which is good enough.

You can follow up on a stunned suspect easily.

[prime mural]

Pepperball always take a sec before it kicks in

[mighty elbow]

which is why you mag dump them

[bitter mason]

its possible that the pepperball currently gives suspects morale due to a value error

on some maps that is

looking at some of the value stuff on the ron mod generator the default morale reduction for pepperballs is 0.05 which is the generic value for maps
but port agency and beachfront have -0.1 fsr, which means they're gaining morale on those maps, ridgeline has -0.05 which is also gaining morale

beanbags is 0.2 as a default which is certainly more effective than pepperballs
but also has the gain morale issue with the same maps which is -0.5 on port agency and beachfront and -0.15 on ridgeline by the looks of it

[bright valley]

I wonder if those values are supposed to be applied to other suspects rather than the one actually being hit.

[crude prism]

99% of the time you're getting someone to surrender with pepperball/beanbag, it's NOT because you zeroed out their morale

being stunned is what makes them surrender

[bitter mason]

I doubt it, wouldnt make sense to have someone gain morale for their friends getting shot up

the morale and stress system seems extremely flawed

I dont know the specifics but I imagine it just re-rolls for a surrender every compliance yell

compared to swat 4 where it will only re-roll once morale has changed

[bright valley]

I mean in the sense that maybe the default value is for people to become discouraged by their allies getting hit with less lethals for instance, but on those specific maps it emboldens them.

[bitter mason]

nah I think the generic value is just applied to all maps but when a specific map is given values it will overwrite the defaults on that map

I think thats how it works atleast

[bright valley]

Yeah, that's what I was implying.

[bitter mason]

ah

nah i dont think there is any morale damage to people witnessing a less lethal

huh looking at this it seems reload speed is determined by morale?
so the lower the morale the slower they reload. Interesting

[bright valley]

'cause for instance, the default TaserMorale.Damage value is 0.75, which is applied to all maps except Ridgeline, where it's -1.0.

[bitter mason]

also suspects gain morale for simply firing there weapons, but its quite a low value of 0.005
except for ridgeline witch is 0.1

fsr they gave ridgeline guys a buncha buffs, likely in an attempt to actually make them challenging but it doesnt really work

[bright valley]

But I just ran into ridgeline now, ate a couple of bullets but got a surrender with 1 taser and 1 shout.

[bitter mason]

yeah its kinda all over

the morale decrease for a suspect seeing a friend die is 0.2 by default but they gain 0.5 on most maps lmao

[crude prism]

yeah if you bean them a bunch and then pull out a shield, it takes them FOREVER to reload

just watch

[bitter mason]

neat

[crude prism]

Suspects will surrender if STUNNED and yelled at, you don't have to 0 their morale

[bright valley]

Right.

[bitter mason]

I find it pretty bs there is a min morale per map but not a max morale

[bright valley]

There is.

[bitter mason]

I dont seem to notice it

the only max is 0.9, which is the hard cap

[crude prism]

only one map lowers the max morale

gas caps the suspect morale at 0.8

[bitter mason]

oh wow very lenient

I cant seem to find any value for stun morale damage

[crude prism]

"stun behavior" tab

[earnest comet]

I now have like four different MCX mods for four separate weapons and I feel lame and uninspired

[bitter mason]

cant see anything about morale, or is just being stunned a guaranteed surrender or something?

[bright valley]

Stuns might not affect morale but could be a strongly weighted deciding factor in the utility algorithm.

[bitter mason]

I woulda imagined the decision to surrender is all depending on morale. maybe they overcomplicated things
but again im no coder

[bright valley]

I'm just speculating since I don't think we have complete information on this.

[crude prism]

Because of RoNs weird utility system, I want to say that "if stunned and compliance call = surrender"

I can go look through the literal logic

[bright valley]

I know there's a bunch of stuff factored into suspect decision-making like accessible exits, cover, other suspects, morale and stress are just supposed to contribute to that.

[bitter mason]

I mostly know how swat 4s morale works because its pretty simple, ron certainly seems to complicate it
especially with the stress system also in the mix that probably causes a lot of issues with this games suspect ai

as far as I know morale is likelyhood of surrender
and stress is how quick they make decisions(?)

[stone bay]

https://youtu.be/P1fg74KM32k?si=9T3WRtf6PLP_Rx5a

[crude prism]

Correct, which is why you can be beating the absolute piss out of one suspect, but if they have LOS to another unsurrendered suspect, they'll basically never give up

[bitter mason]

ok nah just checked that dev briefing stress just making them more likely to do hostile stuff which honestly is really bad lmao

kind of a flawed system, the game expects you to take people alive with grenades and breaches, but they also make suspects less compliant and more aggressive

[bright valley]

I wonder if the other visible suspects also being stunned is a factor, lol

[crude prism]

It is

[bitter mason]

basically, we need the civ and suspect ai overhaul

these systems and decisions by the ai seem super flawed

[bright valley]

The AI systems can kind of work if you've got enough metagame knowledge to play into them, but I do get the general sense that they feel largely overcomplicated for how they usually play out in practice.

[bitter mason]

the way they work seems very complicated but the result just feels really janky

[bright valley]

There's just this gravitational pull towards aggression and gunfighting that they have.

[bitter mason]

im all for a more simple system
scrap the whole stress mechanic for example

I get its intended to clash with morale to make you balance your approach, but it just doesnt seem to work properly most likely

[night pasture]

this game was made out of order lol most maps weren't designed with the current systems AI, ATAK among other systems, that's the issue order of creation on the systems.

if that makes sense

i am mildy dum

[bitter mason]

Nah I think I know what you mean, the maps really dont play super well just with what the game probably should be

they're fine if you want to just shoot everyone since theres plenty of room for suspects to flank, and move around, but for a game that should be about taking people alive as much as possible it really doesnt work

lots of clashes with this games current design

[silk junco]

mildly?

[night pasture]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWW

[night pasture]

ye ye

[silk junco]

not to forget YOU STOLE MY NAME

[night pasture]

maps clearly weren't made with the ATAK (entry points) in mind at all which makes the feature really underwhelming.

[shadow fern]

I'm ahving trouble with my squad AI just searching that sorting area in greased palms... after the breaching of the door they kinda just stand there

[bitter mason]

they still have some troubles, only thing you can do is try something else, or take point

[shadow fern]

cant wait to get this mission out of the way tbh

[bitter mason]

its quite the slog with vanilla ai

[bright valley]

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Like I know some of the entry points are bugged so you can't actually use them currently.

[shadow fern]

maybe because that processing room is filled with multiple doorways that forces the AI to only search that first doorway

[hidden cedar]

boys i got banned in the val server

[ruby bloom]

no more vivzen girly pfp

[night pasture]

Entry points are so infrequent because the maps weren’t designed with it in mind and that makes it lackluster which is another underdeveloped feature of 1.0 lol.

[silk junco]

she- i mean he stole it from me!!!

[hidden cedar]

ITS IN MY SKIN

I JUST LEAKEDS MYSE3LF

[silk junco]

WHAY

[hidden cedar]

FUDGE

[night pasture]

I know where you live mf don’t test me

[hidden cedar]

DAHDHAGHAGHGHAGSHGAHGAHGHAGHGHGHGHG

[silk junco]

come over then sweetie

[prime wing]

I never thought about that

but it makes sense

[hidden cedar]

cats

[ruby bloom]

[night pasture]

I can be smart when my wife doesn’t give me brainrot

[hidden cedar]

your wife is giving me brains ahhahahhahhahhahhahahhahhaahahah

[night pasture]

Real

[bright valley]

[silk junco]

nno

preach sister

[night pasture]

So true bestie

[ruby bloom]

thats my pc password

the nuclear launch code

[bright valley]

what the fuck are you doing

[misty garden]

I reported the message as spam

[hidden cedar]

i no no mean it

[bitter mason]

you made me think about this a bit, most maps are fine with entry points I think, you dont really need an alternative for all maps
But I think gas could use one on the restaurant side and twisted nerve maybe could have one in an area that has since been blocked off in the 1.0 version, there was an extra bit to the left house's garden near the tunnel that could've been an entry point. as for the rest they're fine I think, just some of the entry point options dont even work like on brisa or dealer

[hidden cedar]

Its coming out

AMBATAKAMMMMMMM

AMMMMMAAATAABUSTTTT

[bright valley]

Most of the maps that don't have multiple choices for entry points have a large safe area that sort of gives you choices in that way. Think how The Spider pretty much gives you the front of Brixley Talent Time, the fence gate, and both of the doors in the back of the market for free.

[bitter mason]

yea, the spawn is the same but you still have mutliple entry points

[bright valley]

That being said, some maps probably could benefit from choosable entry points.

[bitter mason]

yeah Im kinda surprised gas didnt get one

I thought it woulda with the two sides,
shame some map entry points are broken also, dealer isnt a lot of fun when I cant switch entry point

[static relic]

what are some funny realistic loadouts 🐟
(I don't want to keep blasting people with shotguns or sa-58 since erasing people from existence gets boring)

[bitter mason]

mk18

probably

[tawny scroll]

😫 clemente here we go again

[proven blade]

Some guy in a multiplayer server (CO) made me a XO and then ordered me to shoot every person of color in Greased Palms

[wintry lotus]

Try the UMP or classic MP5 with no attachment

[bright valley]

Holy crap I actually got a suspect to surrender with the pepper spray.

Caveat, it took the whole can and I had to dance around a vending machine while he shot at me so I wouldn't die.

[round zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kittew-gif-23901607

[static relic]

the 45 and the A3?

[wintry lotus]

Yes

P90 is probably my favourite “fun gun” when the boom sticks get boring but it’s not really realistic to see in police force

[static relic]

how about the mp7? (favorite of the combine (smg))

[pastel solar]

yo for any technical ppl here i just need some quick help in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art , i just need to know if my computer will be able to handle ron pretty well or not, i just bought the game.

i just need someone to tell me if my specs r good enough for it

[timid stratus]

anyone have tips for clearing 1st floor in valley of the dolls? I'm trying to S rank it 😦

[coarse hawk]

here

[obsidian thunder]

@coarse hawk

[obsidian thunder]

ima send a ss of my paks in media

[coarse hawk]

bet

got it

[obsidian thunder]

I would be using others but my winrar is buggin so i cant download em

[obsidian thunder]

patrol officer mod isnt on nexus mods

i got it off a youtuber from google drive

no malware

[coarse hawk]

gotcha let me get it right

[obsidian thunder]

i can send you the link to the google drive file or i can send the video so its more believable

[coarse hawk]

shoot me the vid link

[obsidian thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laAN4tGkUhE its in the desc

all the other mods are on nexus

[coarse hawk]

roleplay tactical med link by chance?

[obsidian thunder]

mhm

[coarse hawk]

i think i got the rest

[obsidian thunder]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/797?tab=files&file_id=11441

and ok\

[coarse hawk]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3633?tab=description is this the right map 0600?

[obsidian thunder]

yes

liquer store is just a liquer store

[coarse hawk]

got it

[obsidian thunder]

the maps i dont think you need to download if i gottem

i did my research on LAPD so I made sure to get the right guns/equipment

i think i got them anyways

dm me when ur ready

i can play for like 10 mins ish its getting alte

[coarse hawk]

pretty sure i already have one

[obsidian thunder]

k

[earnest comet]

0600 is really framey especially in the building. my computer couldn't handle it. Also for whomever was asking I was playing a map called El Parido which is literally just Counterstrike's Militia map

[obsidian thunder]

yea

0600 is framey

[coarse hawk]

reday

ready*

[earnest comet]

If you’re doing a patrol officer mod I’d suggest running liquor store and not so convenient (if you can get the latter to work) on the modded side and greased palms and elephant on the vanilla side

[tight frigate]

finally, i can tourniquet an annoying incapacitated suspect on the neck and say “i was providing care in a time of crisis” to the court

[obsidian thunder]

fr

[obsidian thunder]

hm?

[obsidian thunder]

ight getting on

@coarse hawk US 8

[willow vector]

got an A+ trying to S car dealership. after a good 5 mins of nervously looking for the last guy, found him in the garage but accidentally tapped the head of an arrested suspect in the same room as the last guy while pieing a doorway. 🙂

[round zephyr]

rough man that's a challenging one lol

[coarse hawk]

can use firearms to S tier

js

[dawn trout]

how many buildings on in the carriers of the vine map?

[amber dock]

There’s a church out the back of the building

[dawn trout]

i see. doesnt much matter now, just got 3 ai team mates gunned down by some crazy person with an fal in a greenhouse. i thought i was almost done once i got her but then got shot

[amber dock]

Farm moment

[bright valley]

RoN moment

[dawn trout]

wish they didnt make these new maps so huge lmao

[alpine steeple]

Anyone goofing around on ready or not in the est timezone

[earnest comet]

my internet keeps oscillating between stable and nonexistent and I've had to restart three times so far lmao

[alpine steeple]

Just trying to find a group that isn't sweating 24/7 to perfectly complete missions

[bright valley]

Just had two suspects standing on like the same square foot of space, one died and then his corpse got stuck to the other one who kept shooting at me while shielded by the damn corpse lol

[earnest comet]

Makeshift shield lol

[wintry lotus]

The ragdoll physics of corpses have some really funny moments but I think they need to fix it for the sake of immersion

[earnest comet]

if you break a door with several hits from the breaching shotgun and one of the door pieces touches a body it yeets itself into another dimension

not really but it does go flying very far

[bright valley]

Shoot the two hinge-side corners of a wooden door and it'll explode most of the time. Good fun

With a breaching shotgun ofc

[earnest comet]

si

i had no idea discord for desktop has a PTT function that you can bind any key to even if its in the background

this is wunderbar

[tawny scroll]

IM DONE WITH CLEMENTE >0< YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[stone bay]

Nice

[pastel solar]

okay i need help i wanna put ron in potato mode

ive put the resolution down to as low as possible and quality presets to low and all that but i dont know what the best settings for each element of the graphics settings are]

like i want to put it at the highest possible performance u can achieve from the settings

dude why is it fuckin crashing mannn cmon i just bought this game plus people said i exceeded the reccomended specs for the game

i turned down all the settings but its still doing this

it literally crashed in the fuckin menu thats how bad my situation is i need sum1 to help me out here

i literally was so hppy to get the game, but it cant run for more than like 5 minutes

[hushed orbit]

yea you need a decent computer to play it

i think

[pastel solar]

i do

[pastel solar]

check #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

so i dont get what even the problem is and why im crashing

[hushed orbit]

no idea

[tough spire]

Verify integrity of game cache, what's your specs?

[stone bay]

Would jamming both doors to a room which contains secured civs prevent the trailers from removing said civs?

If not, I shall continue to wedge with impunity

[lapis tartan]

So...truth is

Void gives it 9mmJHP, so it's actually lethal. I didn't change it.Because mainly considering that it is used for training levels (it needs to make a specific AI "simulate" incapacitation after being hit).And what’s particularly coincidental is that irl, many of those ARs do use 9mm FX simulation rounds,annnnnnnnnd they will be a little "lethal" when hit some part of body at a close enough distance.

[stone bay]

Simunition rounds work if, for example, you aim for the chest or midsection, but for the best AoE and area denial, full auto TAC700 is where its at.

[humble mauve]

the simunition rounds are basically only made for the tutorial which is why they behave like they do

never intended to be used in missions

[lapis tartan]

Yeah exactly

[prime wing]

you wont stop me

[bright valley]

Are simunitions actually coded in at all, or are you just using blue guns?

'cause I swear if you friendly fire during training you just see blood lol

[stone bay]

A shot to the chest with a sim round incaps where a bullet would kill.

I stand corrected, it’s a PCC.

[lapis tartan]

And I must admit that my team and I use it more during TTP teaching or Force on Force training, and will not use it in actual mission, but it doesn’t matter at all lol.

[lapis tartan]

bcuz it shoot 9mm JHP

I mean in the game, not irl

[zenith burrow]

Anyone know what character that says the y o u n e e d t o r e l a x voice line?

[bright valley]

Judge?

[zenith burrow]

Hmm maybe?

My friends and I played since early access

They removed a lot of the funny voice lines

[stone bay]

Has there been a single peep out of the devs about the fix for AI? It's been an insanely long time and the game still has AI that is borderline broken and not working as intended. 😑

At this point I think that they are afraid to admit that they can't fix it at all and that they don't really care.

[marble quest]

Do I move slower with heavy armor

[stone bay]

Yes. Not by too much.

[crude prism]

There's no speed difference between light/heavy armor. It depends only on the plates you put in it

[tough spire]

Just acceleration values

[marble quest]

So heavy ceramic armor is the same without armor atall

[crude prism]

Kevlar has no penalty.
Ceramic has an acceleration penalty of 5% per plate (totally insignificant)
Steel has an acceleration penalty of 23% per plate (more than 1 plate suuuuuucks)

Front Only is 1 plate, Front and back is 2 plates, Full coverage is 3 plates.

[bright valley]

full steel so you can feel like a chunky monkey and then die to unlucky shots that completely avoid your armor

[crude prism]

Nice unarmored legs you've got there

[bright valley]

honestly, given how the game physically models the armor, I was thinking light would give you proper torso coverage whereas heavy would add the shoulder/thigh protection.

but instead it's kinda shit torso protection vs more thorough torso protection

[crude prism]

Thankfully we don't have Tarkov-esque accurate plate hitboxes

Instead the zones are generalized. "front, back, left side, right side"

No shots hitting 1 inch to the left of your front plate and dealing full damage

this system was also changed slightly with 1.0, but like, same general idea, #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[tawny scroll]

Guys i finished neon tomb and i don liek it •~•

took me 4 attempts to do it, the second and third was really shitty 😭😭😭

[crude prism]

Do you like exploding? Neon tomb will get you really familiar with exploding

[tawny scroll]

dude i typed 3 whole paragraphs a min ago but it didnt send 😭😭😭

[crude prism]

I'm betting you put "suicide" in it and the bot lasered u

[tawny scroll]

0< B O O

[crude prism]

Not sure what triggers it vs not

[tawny scroll]

bot a bih

as i was saying

In both second and third run, i died from le boomber

[stone bay]

That's one of the few levels I don't revisit

[crude prism]

Exploding is fun

[tawny scroll]

In the second run, one was by the VIP/Surveillance Room—area next to it, the bar with double doors leading to it—he was facing me away from double doors, I gassed him twice but turned out fine 🤨 i had a fem civ behind me, he ran out towards the double doors then another guy starts shooting me and boomber dood stopped by the threshold and he just stood there. I was in a gunfight with the other one but then he shot his guy. SOOOOOO I, these two doods, and the chick were unalived at the same time 😭😭😭
In the third run, I was down to the last suspect, he was by the main dance floor—I cleared everything else— as I was coming down from the second floor by the stairs leading to the restroom by the dance floor, I heard him yell yEw aEnT tAeKiN mEh AlOiVe I hear him running towards me but I couldnt see him, so i tried to throw a 9 banger into the dance floor but he pulled up at the last second from the left side of the wall. I was panicking aiming everywhere, as soon as I let go of my nade he pulled his pin and blew up. Right when my character fell down, i hear my 9 banger goin off right up until i got halfway thru the hi score screen 😭😭😭😭

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨

[bright valley]

i'm joking, i'll read it :P

[tawny scroll]

•~• maaan f u c c qamadah

fucc the yellow masked foos

ō—ō getting so mad that you want TOC to come join you so he knows the shit he putting us thru

[pastel solar]

yay i fixed the crashes and my pc heats up MUCH less now, basically all i did was i validated the game files, which told me that 200 were corrupted, so i validated again to fix them, and then I updated my nvidia drivers in geforce experience, and did a optional windows update in windows update(settings) to make sure i was as up to date as possible on my software. then i went in game and turned every setting WAYY down, and now all of those combined seem to have worked very well 🥳

[tawny scroll]

[bright valley]

[lost inlet]

so the 2 side plates count as 1 standard plate?

[old scarab]

Hey guys, recently i noticed sometimes when i command my AI to wedge doors, stack up, breach, or to move and clear, they dont follow it instantly either they take 2 to 3 times to do it or i have to make them fall in and re command them is this because of their low mental health or a glitch?

[tawny scroll]

yeeeeaaaaaa •~• just cancel command and redo it

[old scarab]

Ok thx

[crude prism]

Yes. The game counts them as 1 for acceleration purposes

And they are NOT tracked individually in game

Meaning that the left & right side plates share durability if you're using Ceramic.

[pastel solar]

nope once again it has crashed and i really don tknow what to do this time

i got the bluescreen code irql not less or equal while playing, anyone know how to fix that?

[prime mural]

Have they fixed presets not working?

[stone bay]

Maybe your hardware isn't strong enough yo run the game especially if you have overheating problems. What are you specs?

[pastel solar]

How do I verify that

[pastel solar]

It’s in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

But I’ll send it again there

[stone bay]

That seems more than enough

[pastel solar]

Yeah

[iron star]

game bad

[tough spire]

Validated game files is what I meant and it looks like you did already.

[pastel solar]

I also made evry setting the lowest possible

I was doing tutorial and everything went fine

[tough spire]

Try turning up your graphics

Just to like, medium

[pastel solar]

UNTIL I SHOT SOMEOME A FEW TIMES

[stone bay]

Hmm, how were you keeping an eye on your temperature?

[pastel solar]

Put hand on vent

[bright valley]

lmao

[pastel solar]

It was barely warm for most of the tutorial

[stone bay]

That's not really an accurate representation...

[pastel solar]

Once I shot one dude a few times the temp went up so fast

And then it crashes again

[stone bay]

Download msi afterburner and enable cpu temp and gpu temp on the on screen display

[pastel solar]

I have it but idk how to enable those

[stone bay]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dsbh5O4abiwY&ved=2ahUKEwjt77uk35OEAxXTW0EAHQdZAMEQwqsBegQILBAE&usg=AOvVaw37Jf2-84ZdTeDGX6U8NOvj

[tough spire]

Seriously try turning up your graphics a bit

[pastel solar]

Also what does irql not less or equal mean

[pastel solar]

It’s on low

[tough spire]

Yes. Try turning it up

[pastel solar]

Why tho, lower the better right

[stone bay]

Could be corrupt windows files

[pastel solar]

How do I check

[tough spire]

Not necessarily.

[pastel solar]

How so?

[stone bay]

Only real way to know is to reinstall windows

[pastel solar]

I’ll do an account scan

Sfc

[tough spire]

If you're flat lining that poor i5 by not offloading enough to the 3070 then yes that will cause you problems

[pastel solar]

Yea but idk dude why did the crash happen only when I shit them

[pastel solar]

Wait wdym

Then I’ll be flatlining both of them LOL

[tough spire]

Just go to medium and try it again

[pastel solar]

u mean on the preset or for like any specific advanced graphics settings?

like which one should i turn to medium

[tough spire]

Preset for now, you can fiddle later

[pastel solar]

alr, u sure tho? i mean it seems counterintuitive

i get what ur saying that the core i5 is having to process a lot, but putting extra load on the gpu wont actually help the cpu right

theyll both be occupied instead of the previous only cpu being occupied

[tough spire]

Offloading from the CPU onto the GPU means less work for the CPU, yes

And the GPU is specifically built to do that work.

[pastel solar]

is there any way i can transfer the job of most of the processing onto the gpu?

i think ive had this problem in the past where my cpu has to carry, but i dont know how to take some of that work and put it in the gpu instead

cause my gpu is chilling but my cpu is dying

[tough spire]

That's what I'm trying to get you to do my dude.

When I play RoN I play on max, my CPU load is on the floor and my GPU is up at like 95%

But I also have a significantly better CPU than you and a 4070ti so it won't be apples to apples there, it'll take some fiddling.

I'm taking this silence as success in action, good night good luck.

[pastel solar]

wow it actually worked?

i wasnt monitoring my cpu load iwth task manager but my heat never reached a super significant amount

wow thank you so much dude

[tough spire]

Glad to help!

[pastel solar]

oh it crashed again

wow what a surprise my fuckin life

[hidden wedge]

Is there any way to get the AI SWAT to have a taser as secondary or just reload? They kinda just pull out an empty pistol and then die.

[pastel solar]

Yo i keep getting crashes and idk why? The files r validated, drivers updated, and settings r lowered as much as possible, my specs r in #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art and I rlly just need some solutions

[hidden wedge]

Does it crash when something specifically happens or randomly?
Are there mods installed, if so uninstall them and see if it fixes it.

[stone bay]

Sorry, if the question is asked a lot, but me and my friend just did i think 3 achievements? The coyote one and two about getting C+ on 3 maps, and we did not get any of them on steam, is it needed to play singleplayer, or are there other requirements to get them that are not written in the achievement description?

[hazy topaz]

i actually don't know but i'm assuming if you didn't get the achievement it's only possible on singleplayer

[hazy topaz]

this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3102510389#:~:text=All achievements are earned in,Second playthrough is Ironman Mode 100 percent achievement guide says they are only possible on singleplayer

[stone bay]

Oh, ok thank you, thats kinda sad you cannot do it together

[hardy plinth]

Oh I'm guessing the general idea is to shoot land pepper balls around corners to hit enemies behind cover

[stone bay]

Will the Kriss Vector mod conflict with Gunfighter?

[gilded spear]

fixed it by now?

[hardy plinth]

When going through missions for the first time, should I care about bringing in enemies alive?

Obv I can't kill the specific targets listed in the mission tab

[stone stump]

why wouldn't you?

[ivory kiln]

just do the objectives both hard and soft and you'll have majority of the cosmetics

[hardy plinth]

Because I'm suffering of a severe skill issue

And my friend doesn't like non lethals so much

Unless you can flash or gas or tase every enemy you're usually gonna have to kill at least someone

Unless incapacitation will still give you an s rank

I really like the beanbag though

Unfortunately it's loud but it can bring an enemy out of the action with one shot

[crystal sierra]

I can't wrap my head around elephant map, there is literary so little information about everything, idk if downed civilians were pre-placed or they were down by suspects, spec ops teenagers with better aim skills then swat operatives....

[ivory kiln]

there are dead civvies in the big classroom

[hardy plinth]

Kind of an issue I have with the game in general

Almost all hostile AI behaves the same

The most unique enemy we've seen are literal crackheads

[crystal sierra]

General problem is the fact that there is not even points loss when cuffing downed civilian, ffs, let me know somehow that i fucked up instead of forcing me to finish whole mission for 10th time just to realize i need to do it again

[ivory kiln]

i never had an issue with dead civvies

i always went fast

[crystal sierra]

I'm doing S run, everyone must be alive

[ivory kiln]

even in vanilla the mission is ez

[ivory kiln]

i see

just shoot them and tell your teammates to cuff em

[crystal sierra]

Only stuff what might be an issue is the side objectives i didn't know about if there is even any? I had same issue on the streamer map where i didn't know where that video tapes are

[ivory kiln]

there aren't any in the school mission

as for the streamer they're on the drawer next to his bed

[crystal sierra]

And just found out 1 dead civ, shot, and zipped, provably by suspects...

[ivory kiln]

lol

[crystal sierra]

From what i saw, AI teammates don't even cuff pre-placed injured ones

Only ,,real" civilians

[crystal basin]

i hate the AI teammates; if i play alone i just load private mp

[crystal sierra]

They kind of help in this situation to reckognize which civilians are pre-placed and which ones are shot down, but map is too big overall. Check RoN media, lol, i legit finished that ,,flawlessly" but because some suspects were shot...

I might actually try to finish mission without mods, i have AI overhaul mod, it migh messes up something to allow suspects to shot them instantly, idk what is their behavior while mod is active lol.

[loud pawn]

why the hell is spider so hard

[foggy zinc]

not hard at all broski

Bring door wedges to seal off potential flanks and just to seal off your previous tracks, shotguns are good imo since they have little to no armour, a mirrorgun to find the prime suspect is good since he can and might off himself if he gets too stressed (too many suspects die, too much noise, etc.). Bring flashbangs and C2 to clear so you can get him safely, or even a bean bag shotty.

[loud pawn]

Yeah I said that earlier and I just completed it

[earnest comet]

I kept getting maneuvered on by the dudes on the roof at first so I ended up wedging all but one of the exterior doors with access to the courtyard area, made blue stack up on the unwedged door, then had red go with me to clear the roof

[crystal sierra]

Best strategy overall is to wedge all street acess doorways overall, then enter inside coutyard trough store, clear inner coutyard then wedge all doors that leads outside, leave rooftop last, when you reach rooftop, enter inside staircase area and wedge that door leading upstairs. Get outside to street again, and i suggest to use C2 on the main door to main building where reception is, P.S. make sure to check with the wand first since there is usually one civilian. when you enter, stack up red team to next duble door to break it with C2 too, send blue inside reception, there will be door leading to back office, send both teams in the same time.

Rest you can manage on your own pretty much.

[earnest comet]

How far do slugs retain their impressive stopping power and damage in RoN? I put an LPVO on a modded shotgun and I know it’s probably a bad idea but it looks pretty dope I guess

[lost inlet]

can one shot every enemy in the torso except the ones in the mission elephant and sins of the father, the dmg is shit if hit in the leg or arm

[earnest comet]

Scoped shotgun it is

Gonna feel like I’m playing modded insurgency sandstorm again

[winter shadow]

Sniper in CQC be like

[earnest comet]

Shotguns as snipers and snipers as shotguns or something like that

[lost inlet]

do really try to aim for the center mass if hit in arm or leg dont be surprise that the arm or leg didnt get blow off

[earnest comet]

Yeh full auto mag fed shotgun with buckshot is quite good at removing limbs

Even better in multiplayer because the ten round mag reverts to the 30 round capacity of the vanilla weapon but is still holding 12 gauge shells

[shadow fern]

Just cleared "Greased Palms" oh boy...

[earnest phoenix]

now wait till you get to sins of the father

[ruby bloom]

now your palms are greaqy

[hardy plinth]

Is taser broken? It was 3 or 4 times I tried tasing someone from point blank and nothing happened

[wheat wren]

Can confirm that this map is easy with the BB gun

[wheat wren]

And that’s why you have an AR 15

[hardy plinth]

It's so frustrating

They want you to go non-lethal but almost everything non lethal is so inconsistent

[wheat wren]

Non lethal doesn’t always work, unlike what libs seem to think.

[hardy plinth]

It's not impossible but it feels like a coin toss

Sometimes the enemy you stun will put down their weapon, sometimes despite having an entire team holding them under point blank they raise their gun and headshoot you

[wheat wren]

Again, sometimes you shoot first ask questions later.

I usually use 10 mm because it usually not lethal to the torso but it incapacitates.

[hardy plinth]

Can you still get S rank with incapacitations?

[stone bay]

Nah bro

Incaps screw your S runs

[amber dock]

^

[stone bay]

Though i think incaps in pre 1.0 used to get you an S rank as long as no one died, correct me if im wrong

[amber dock]

That was the case, they must have changed it

[marble quest]

Wish we could low and high ready with the mouse wheel

[hardy plinth]

I don't mind this idea though

When you take four 9mm to the chest or a magnum shot to the leg you're probably gonna die if not immediately attended to

However this decision sucks in a game where non-lethal methods are buggy and inconsistent

[covert thicket]

what do you mean by that? i never had problems

[hardy plinth]

Problems where flashbangs don't stun an enemy despite doing off right besides them

[hardy plinth]

Taser shot point blank but not working

I had a guy standing in tear gas coughing but he could still shoot me

[covert thicket]

ok never had those and i got 160hours

[hardy plinth]

Enemies not complying despite all odds being against them

I think 1.0 messed up a lot

[covert thicket]

yea but thats an ingame feature people do that in real life i wont send a link i dont wanna get banned but watch some donut operator or liveleak people do that

[hardy plinth]

Yeah but so many enemies do this

[hearty parrot]

99% of the time people comply when there's 5 full-auto guns pointed at them

[hardy plinth]

It seems like every enemy if left uncuffed for long enough (even with someone holding them under the barrel) will try to pull something at some point

[hearty parrot]

Yeah don't leave suspects uncuffed and alone

You're just asking for them to retaliate

[hardy plinth]

I play with my friend, one person keeps an eye on the suspect while the other clears the room

[covert thicket]

you are a criminal you already shot people including children (the school shootign map) you really think those people surrender?
l

[hearty parrot]

Yes.

[hardy plinth]

You can't always run for a suspect as soon as they're complying

[hearty parrot]

The videos you see of people getting killed during a swat raid are rare

Large majority of the time during a swat raid there are 0 casualties

[hearty parrot]

Just have a tazer aimed at them

[hardy plinth]

I did that actually last round I played today

Point blank

It just didn't work

[covert thicket]

in 2023 1200 people got shot and killed by police

[hardy plinth]

It failed both times

It was in multiplayer so I don't know if that breaks it

[covert thicket]

then fix your game

[hardy plinth]

@ Void

[hearty parrot]

How many of them were during a swat raid

[bright valley]

I've found multiplayer completely breaks the taser for me. Singleplayer it's very consistent.

[hardy plinth]

Yeah it worked fine for me in singleplayer

It's as if it just didn't shoot out in multiplayer

[covert thicket]

how does that matter you got rifles , shotguns and or pistols aimed at you
and second you really wanna play a game where everyone instantly surrenders?
third we still talk about serious shit not the local Methhead that get raided for his 2gram of Weed
alot of the missions are terrostic attacks
elephant sins of the father vine garden end of the earth the spider neon tomb
and the others are everything or nothing like valley of the dolls
the guy will die in prison he murdered and rped children

another thing you could say but why would the security of the Valley of the dolls guy die for him?
well, why does no one take down kim Jon Un?
there are 2 reasons they are emotionally cold or they fulfill one of their needs

[bright valley]

I doubt anyone is advocating for every suspect to surrender through police presence alone, just for the wider continuum of force to be more applicable so missions don't all turn into Terrorist Hunt with an unjustifiably strict RoE.

[hardy plinth]

But when you are looking down the end of a barrel, why would you ever get up and try to reach for a gun

[trim raft]

Bruh y'all still complaining about this 🤣

[earnest comet]

Because the suspects got that dawg in them idk

[hardy plinth]

The problem is that the AI is stupid

[covert thicket]

adrenalin and delusion
you are a criminal you already though you get away with murdering children other adults etc thinking you could quikdraw someone isnt that hard to beleive then

[bright valley]

Regarding the fake surrenders and hidden weapon draws, apparently suspects have the memory of a goldfish and will often assume that officers have fucked off when you tell them to face away from everyone.

[covert thicket]

i agree on that 😄

[willow vector]

Guys I dont know if I’m going crazy here but I swear removing all the pistol mags still leaves the AI with one mag/bullet in the gun

[trim raft]

Wtf

[willow vector]

0 mags and again one of my guys dropped a suspect with their pistol

Does anyone else experience this

[earnest comet]

He manifested his own ammo through sheer willpower

[covert thicket]

i had the same experience its weird sometimes but most of the time they are empty (and thats also visually)

[bright valley]

I've heard a lot of anecdotes like this but never experienced it myself.

[trim raft]

The primary reason they draw or attack you when you're pointing at them is because it makes the game more interesting and gives you something else to worry about and you can't just take a suspect for granted until they're cuffed

In regards to them drawing on you in "real terms", they might not intend on surviving. Lots of instances of people intentionally getting themselves killed by police.

[hardy plinth]

But it's not so interesting to me when they ALL do it

[covert thicket]

yea espcially as i said if they have done some terrible stuff

[hardy plinth]

And it doesn't matter what situation they are in

[willow vector]

Also, not sure if this has been talked about before; but post Hotfix it seems like doing simul entries with Blue and Red team stacked up on two different doorways is currently broken

When I do execute on Gold, both teams just fall in

[covert thicket]

what i expirienced methheads the mexicans and the other small criminals do actually drop theire gun often when yelled at the bigger criminals like on neon tomb dont anddo it rearely

[trim raft]

You can taze them again, that's usually what I do if I play with friends. If they surrender I'll order them to me and one person points gun at them and one person points taser/pepper spray/whatever. If they get silly they get shocked or sprayed, and if that doesn't work they get smoked.

Honestly most of the problems go away in co op, i feel as though all the complaints are about the single player experience

[bright valley]

Are you using the middle click command menu to execute or are you pushing Z? The latter breaks way more.

[hardy plinth]

But taser is broken in multiplayer

As in it doesn't work

[covert thicket]

but thanks guys its really nice tlaking to you

[trim raft]

Since when?

[hardy plinth]

I noticed this yesterday

And today, and someone here had the same experience

[willow vector]

Usually Z, but I tried with middle click and no luck still. It was fine from my experience pre hotfix

[bright valley]

[hardy plinth]

What do you use melee for?

[kindred temple]

when a civilian refuses to comply

[stone stump]

for stubborn civs iirc

[covert thicket]

civis and when the ai breaks and i run up to them

[stone bay]

Stress relief

[hardy plinth]

I see

[bright valley]

Can also use it in combination with indirect pepperball fire but that's situational and I'm entirely disregarding multiplayer network jank.

[hardy plinth]

Is there a way to make them comply without having to yell? I don't want to announce my presence to the entire building

I also don't want to hurt their feelings

[kindred temple]

taser

[stone bay]

You're SWAT not Rainbow Six

[hardy plinth]

Of course that wouldn't count like unauthorised use of force would it

[bright valley]

lmao. But nah, I think the yells for compliance are necessary.

[stone stump]

flashbangs, beanbag, teargas and so on

[covert thicket]

if you point your gun atthem sometimes they isntantly surrender

[kindred temple]

the suspect ai wont hear your yellings anyways unless you yell directly at them

[hardy plinth]

And none of that is unauthorised use of force?...

[bright valley]

You're allowed to deploy LTL on anyone with a gun before actually yelling, but usually they won't get the message until you tell them.

[stone stump]

no

[bright valley]

That's one of the reasons you'll see clips of players, like, mag dumping a guy with beanbags only for him to start shooting back once he's done reeling. The player never yelled for compliance.

[stone stump]

not sure how RoE feels about beanbagging someone who isn't a threat, but ron is ron and it works here

[hardy plinth]

Can you shoot first, then yell and still get compliance?

[covert thicket]

they do but only in cross fire

[hardy plinth]

What do you mean? After they need to have started shooting first?