👮ron-discussion

[distant plover]

What did you do to basically trash your OS lol

[honest owl]

This game kinda sucks

[distant plover]

It doesn't, but it's unfair

[honest owl]

It's buggy, the devs removed features, lied to us about game features and some people can't even play it.

Thus, it sucks

[distant plover]

"Removed features"...which ones lol?
The game is pretty early, it's under active development so more stuff will be added in time, and tbh I have never heard of people not being able to play the game

If they can't it's most likely a their issue as well because I'm just done playing

[honest owl]

This is 1.0, we're out of early access, what are you smoking?

[distant plover]

Just because it's not in EA it doesn't mean the game will stop being updated ffs

[slender adder]

its over they took the money and ran

[honest owl]

^

[slender adder]

its so over

[distant plover]

"What should we expect now that 1.0 is out the door?

Expect continued support for Ready or Not and its bright future as we explore ways to enhance your experience even further with future updates and expansion. On our short list is improving game balance, performance, and existing features such as Suspect AI. We’re still aiming to provide a public roadmap to allow an accessible long-term perspective on what our future plans will look like."

[honest owl]

We haven't gotten any updates in weeks, they promised us we would get fixes and yet... Those fixes aren't being pushed...

[distant plover]

Do you guys even read community updates

[honest owl]

Sounds like you're just huffing copium

[brazen axle]

help i beat greased palms but i dont have a new mission what did i do wrong help

[honest owl]

Give up, game's broken.

[slender adder]

uneducated and uninformed
https://steamdb.info/app/1144200/depots/

[distant plover]

With what rating?

[brazen axle]

c

[distant plover]

I don't think that's enough...you need at least B

[honest owl]

Here's a 2 hour long video essay on why this game sucks right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6r0cJ1wQOE

[dull raptor]

Definitely got a low rating and is now seething

[slender adder]

you can't form up your own opinion, thanks for announcing that

[brazen axle]

i see

[tawdry cosmos]

does rating matter?

[distant plover]

I think it does...it did in Swat 4

[honest owl]

No, I just know whatever I say will fall on deaf ears. This video changed my mind. Fresh air is nice, copium dilludes the mind.

[dull raptor]

Why are you in the Discord for it? Please, just shut the fuck up before you look more stupid

[tawdry cosmos]

i never played swat 4

[distant plover]

@honest owl Let me tell you, I was here before you and Void literally remained silent for months before announing the first ever PvP build

[dreamy garden]

Can anyone recommend a good sinuous trails solo loadout?

Swat fucking sucks for non lethal and multiplayer didnt give me a single achievement for duoing everything S rank

[honest owl]

I've been supporting this game since it was released on steam in EA. The game is still broken, the AI still sucks, worst of all is they are wanting $50 for an unfinished project that has less features than it initially started out with.

[distant plover]

It's literally nothing unsual...sometimes they vanish, and then come back, in the meantime you can use your innate reading abilities to understand what they are working on (spoiler, probably PVP and DLCs)

[tawdry cosmos]

you got everything S rank?

[dreamy garden]

On multiplayer vanilla yeah

[distant plover]

Swat has achievements?

[dreamy garden]

No its just that steam achievements dont work if you complete things on multiplayer

HAS to be in singleplayer/campaign

[dull raptor]

Cope mald seethe ur white u r crying :)

[distant plover]

Sounds like a skill issue

[dull raptor]

Krill issue

[dreamy garden]

Vanilla 2 player clearing every single mission non lethal is a skill issue?

Would love to see you try

[tawdry cosmos]

achievements tend to be a pain to get

[honest owl]

Lmao, it's telling that if you levy any sort of criticism in this discord you get told to stuff it. Actual brain rot and lack of critical thinking.

[distant plover]

I can beat the whole game without even touching the keyboard

[dreamy garden]

Modded player 🤓

[dull raptor]

Stop crying about "WAHHHHH RoN BAD GAME I AM CRYING IN DISCORD THAT ENJOY GAME AND AM BEING TOLD IS GOOD GAME GAME BAD PLZ BELIEVE ME"

[honest owl]

Sounds like you just can't handle another opinion lol

[dreamy garden]

Who?

[distant plover]

No, I'm simply partaking in a little act of tomfoolery

[dull raptor]

This

[honest owl]

I said this game kinda sucks, then listed the reasons why I think the game kinda sucks.

[dull raptor]

Kinda?

[dreamy garden]

I mean in its current state yeah it kinda sucks thats undeniable

[dull raptor]

Motherfucker, you have been complaining

[honest owl]

Yup, pretty sure that's what I said

[strange raptor]

I agree, btw. the AI are still a bit cracked out and can shoot through walls unfairly

[dull raptor]

For 10 fucking minutes

[distant plover]

You aren't being critical, you are comparing these devs to The Day Before people while making half assed claims that nobody here shares

[brazen axle]

game defender vs game offender chat

[dreamy garden]

Some times the game is good to you (although rare), and most of the times its just bewildering

[strange raptor]

this

[distant plover]

Sure there are bugs, but do you know games who don't have any?
They will get fixed.
AI is so much better than many other titles I can think of rn

[honest owl]

When did I ever mention the day before devs lol?

[dull raptor]

You are mad that people hold a different opinion in a server about the game you are complaining in the channel about said game'

[distant plover]

"They just took the money and run"

[honest owl]

Dude, I agreed with someone else that said it, I never actually said that.

[dull raptor]

"Sucks a little"

[distant plover]

It doesn't change my point

[honest owl]

Sounds like you're the angry one tbh

[dull raptor]

🤓☝️

[distant plover]

The bottom line is that things will get better eventually, no matter what you think of this game rn

[slender adder]

baits used to be believable
guy came in with a fucking video essay as his sole point

[distant plover]

Tarkov players have been waiting for a recoil updates for like 3 full years so I think we won't have it as bad lol

[honest owl]

The game is broken, has terrible performance, the AI sucks, the level design is surface level and has MAJOR flaws not just in gameplay design but also in atmosphere. For example the elephant has no school siren or active police sirens, no on-lookers. There are plenty of examples in that video, the point is that there are so many things wrong with this game that it takes 2 hours to fucking explain it all, AND IT STILL DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING!!!!

[slender adder]

please wear a diaper and stop pissing yourself in the public

[amber dock]

Yeah, let's not

[honest owl]

I just came in to put my opinion on the table

[dull raptor]

These are just QoL features, the game released a month ago

[amber dock]

just ignore and move on instead of insulting

[distant plover]

The game has terrible performances I'll give you that

[slender adder]

yes sir

[distant plover]

Everything else is just wrong

[dull raptor]

Sir, yes sir

[slender adder]

🫡

[honest owl]

Exactly, so why are there still so many bugs that ouright ruin the player experience?

[distant plover]

Especially "level design is surface level" fym, every single whiteboard you'll come across has lore in it

[honest owl]

Ah yes, lorem ipsum, definitely lore.

[prime wing]

when a game is in early access everything is subject to change, no matter how much people like what is removed. If anything is removed after 1.0, however, then it would be sad unfortunately

A hard pill to swallow

[humble belfry]

Nah this must be trolling, i think the game environment is very detailed and realistic

[distant plover]

Maybe....or maybe it will be added through DLCs lol

[slender adder]

RoN has one of the more transparent and well documented developments, it's not hard to see why they cut some of the stuff

[honest owl]

There are no on-lookings, school sirens or police sirens blaring on the Elephant. There are no police cars blocking the gas station exits and civilian cars freely drive by as if nothing is happening.

[slender adder]

whether it's a good move or not is a different story though

[dull raptor]

The game has Souls Like lore, you have to look for it. It's not spoonfed like other shooter games

[distant plover]

Still have to know what "features" we are talking about...is it just weapons that for now only suspects can use? because I'm sure all of those will be added one way or another

[slender adder]

ready or not is one of my favorite souls-like games

[humble belfry]

Stop yapping, its detailed where the player focuses on, like inside the shootout

[dull raptor]

I would explain why there are no beat cops surrounding buildings, but I doubt you would care. You don't seem to care about lore.

[distant plover]

Being forced to play mindjolt for 10 times in a row really made me wanna swallow the parabellum pill

[slender adder]

just level up vigor bro

[distant plover]

what the hell is that

[honest owl]

This community in a nutshell:
Person gives good and reasonable criticism
Calls person dumb, a baby, insults them and is told they are a baby for wanting what they paid for

Yeah, fuck off.

[distant plover]

Oh wait nvm I get it lol

[dull raptor]

I ALWAYS check for sirens. If I do not have them, then I don't care if the game is tactical and has wonderful gunplay, the sirens make or break the experience.

[humble belfry]

Reasonable criticism isnt saying the entire game is terrible... honestly

[honest owl]

Never said that, just said it kinda sucks right now but sure, you were definitely here when the conversation started and didn't just assume what I said.

[brazen axle]

[dull raptor]

This is every community when you insult them and say "Give up, game's broken." You can't convince to hate this game with you, I'm sorry

[distant plover]

Me personally, I haven't told you that.
I told you why you're wrong, but hey, you can just unistall the game for all I care, it's your money and your disk space

[humble belfry]

?? nuh uh

[dull raptor]

Sarcasm

[stark hollow]

chill out

[honest owl]

Remind me where I insulted you?

[distant plover]

I hate when discords servers won't allow to show the funny gifs

[dull raptor]

You insulted what this community is about, RoN

[dull raptor]

The Discord is called Ready or Not

[honest owl]

How? Where?

Point it out and I will appologise.

[stark hollow]

just stop this argument

dont continue the conversation

[distant plover]

sounds fair

[stark hollow]

ty

[humble belfry]

As soon as i boot the game i notice the background sirens and police radio comms and it sounds great fr instantly sets the mood

[slender adder]

I hate it how I can't post the earn CP gif whenever someone talks about certain in game levels

[tawdry cosmos]

Ok

[distant plover]

I have to go to bed anyway, tomorrow I have to grind my underpaid job

[honest owl]

Not my fault these guys can't have a civilized conversation about a game we are all passionate about.

[slender adder]

https://tenor.com/view/richtofen-cod-points-zombies-gif-15617219922460393769

[dull raptor]

Give up, game's broken.
Sounds like you're just huffing copium
Here's a 2 hour long video essay on why this game sucks right now
Need I continue?

[humble belfry]

If you are passionate you shouldnt find much critique 😏

[stark hollow]

just stop

[honest owl]

I mean, you've said much worse to me lol.

[dull raptor]

I am done engaging. Mods asked us to stop.

[slender adder]

mods crush his skull

[dull raptor]

Mods, whack his pp

[tawdry cosmos]

That shall hurt

[distant plover]

Bailif, do what must be done

[tawdry cosmos]

does anyone remember that one dlc that was released?

[dull raptor]

Which one?

[tawdry cosmos]

It was a rescue thing like weapons and a shield I think

It was before 1.0

[silk junco]

supporter edition

[slender adder]

yeah that's the supporter upgrade

[dull raptor]

Gamers, we've been trolled. His description says "certified problem causer"

[distant plover]

supported ed

[tawdry cosmos]

I should of mentioned that

[distant plover]

Idc, I love arguing online

[tawdry cosmos]

seems fair

[humble belfry]

Where

[dull raptor]

Check his account

[humble belfry]

Whos

[dull raptor]

Me when

[slender adder]

yours?

[humble belfry]

hm

[dull raptor]

No

The guy we were all ganging up on

[tawdry cosmos]

^

[slender adder]

lmao

[tawdry cosmos]

This guy

[dull raptor]

Can't believe he got genuinely pressed bro

[tawdry cosmos]

you was joking wasn’t you?

[stark hollow]

stop this conversation

[humble belfry]

Please do not feed the trolls

[tawdry cosmos]

Ok

[dull raptor]

Aight, whatever.

[tawdry cosmos]

I’m going back to trying to get S ranks

[dull raptor]

RoN is such a hard game sometimes lol. I can barely get past the third level solo.

[humble belfry]

IRL is hard too xD

[distant plover]

what's the third level?

[dull raptor]

The raid on the Meth Lab

[tawdry cosmos]

213 park I think

[humble belfry]

The difficulty is good because it is more realistic

[dull raptor]

I agree, but it is hard lol

[tawdry cosmos]

Yes

[distant plover]

Oh yeah, it is pretty hard...but not quite as hard as the hotel one, and neither of them as hard as the mindjolt facility

[wispy burrow]

The first few missions were a piece of cake, it’s all downhill after the forest lunatic map

[shadow ether]

And then there's the post office

[tawdry cosmos]

Mindjolt is hard but what about hide and seek?

[fiery flame]

who knew that dealing with armed violent suspects was hard in in a game just like in real life

[distant plover]

I was actually just about to complete it first try so it ain't that bad

it's just big.....so very big

[tawdry cosmos]

I don’t like that one either to many bombs

[wispy burrow]

I’m at the mindjolt facility now it’s such a pain in my ass

[distant plover]

Armed violent suspects don't just 180-tap-you-in-the-head tho

SCAV moment

[wispy burrow]

on god

[distant plover]

You will wish you were never born

[wispy burrow]

you know the maze place in mind jolt? I cannot clear that part it’s like impossible

[tawdry cosmos]

Is that with all the servers?

[wispy burrow]

Yeah

[fiery flame]

not a problem enough buckshot cant solve

[wispy burrow]

no bro it’s a death trap

I’ve tried all weapons and all tactics

[tawdry cosmos]

You doing a non-lethal run?

[stark hollow]

mindjot is very hard vanilla

i had a tough time

[wispy burrow]

Fuck no I’ve been killing civilians on accident just to kill suspects

[stark hollow]

make use of your AI teammates as much as possible

[wispy burrow]

Like shooting the door blindly

[stark hollow]

and try clear the server room last

[distant plover]

Protip: Jam main entrance door, then push right side...there's almost always one guy there so throw a pre-emptive flash and push...secure the 2 doors on the side, block the one nearest to the main hall, then push the last one WITHOUT using c4 because you might risk to damage the door with the server room

[wispy burrow]

Yeah at this point I don’t care what happens to them as long as I’m the last man standing

[fiery flame]

have u tried turning it off and on again

[tawdry cosmos]

I almost got a S on second mission I lost 50 points by accidentally shooting civ with a pepperball💀

[distant plover]

After that, jam the door with the server room and proceed in the other way...avoid that room like it's the plague

[bright valley]

Alternatively, Hail Mary and try to clear the server room first. That ended up being how I got my S on that map.

[distant plover]

At this point you just hope everything goes smoothly and you don't get head/eyes'd by somebody

[wispy burrow]

do you fail the mission if you damage the servers

[distant plover]

No

[bright valley]

No, the briefing making reference to that is purely flavor.

[wispy burrow]

I honestly don’t give a fuck I want them dead, thinking of just gassing the entire building with a launcher

[bright valley]

CS Gas spam can be an effective strategy.

[distant plover]

But again, it's not wise to go into that room...go around it and if you have to push it go from outside, where you can reach the first floor and actually see everything below

[tawdry cosmos]

I mainly use CS gas to chase people out of there spots

[distant plover]

I know of a pretty funny guy who talked like this back in the '40

[wispy burrow]

he had the right idea

[bright valley]

[distant plover]

I hate that the gas mask doesn't protect you from flash bangs

Like wtf bro, they are meant for it

But nope, either the googles or the ability to breath

[fiery flame]

why cant i put on nvg with a face equipment, there is a spot for both on the model

[tawdry cosmos]

it is strange

[distant plover]

it's stupid

[tawdry cosmos]

does anyone have any good tactics for the port mission

trying to get an A

[distant plover]

Also why there are 2 pair of NVGs....one with 2 lens and the other one with 4

[distant plover]

Haven't reached it yet

[stark hollow]

swag purposes

[tawdry cosmos]

got your normal then you got quad

[distant plover]

yeah but why would anyone ever want to choose normal over quad lol

[tawdry cosmos]

Design

[fiery flame]

style points

got to get the S+ rank

[tawdry cosmos]

Did you just start playing the game?

[distant plover]

More or less...I put a couple of hours when it was in EA then I re-installed it recently to play some more...but I often end up playing other games lol

I reached the mail office mission

[tawdry cosmos]

That’s fair

mail mission isn’t bad in my opinion

A lot of these missions aren’t that bad

[distant plover]

yeah

Mail is just long

[tawdry cosmos]

Some are just frustrating

question do you have highlight guns on?

It does help

[stark hollow]

highlight guns is useful as sometimes guns glitch through the floor

[tawdry cosmos]

yeah someone mentioned it

it started happening to me earlier on 23 megabytes

[distant plover]

nah...I usually pick them up as I go so I don't really miss em...that or I make the AI do it for me

[tawdry cosmos]

I have it just in case

[quick wadi]

I think weapon highlight is pretty much necessary.

[tawdry cosmos]

yeah

[misty garden]

funny you say this....been stuck on this mission almost 3 days now trying for S...the AI are absolutely ridiculous and unfair.

[bronze vessel]

Should you always play as the last guy with ai?
I always get my head popped by third whenever I try to assist my first in conflicts

[misty garden]

yeah I usually let the AI clear first then go in behind them

[slender adder]

should wait for the AI fixes first tbh

if SWAT AIs die you are fucking either way

[slender adder]

it's close I can feel it

[misty garden]

personally yes. I'm about to uninstall the game. It's unplayable with how unfair suspect AI are

[craggy yew]

This game is like a drug addiction you’ll always be back

[dense quest]

Leaning helps avoid that, I often don't get one tapped unless I'm standing up

[ornate minnow]

is the game more buggy now after full release?

game crashes when loading into a situation now - didnt do it before full release

[bronze vessel]

Then they either shoot civs or peek dead ends and die to open hallways

[bronze vessel]

I mean I use both QE and ALT leaning but they dont have the muzzle discipline I guess lol

[dense quest]

Also you can micromanage your ai more

Instead of giving breach commands you can tell them to go to specific spots where they won't be too exposed

Or clear and breach but tell them to fall back in when they start to overextend

[bronze vessel]

I think we really need a terminate command

[dense quest]

Fall in kinda does that for me

[bright valley]

It's "Hold" for me, personally.

[dense quest]

My biggest grime with swat ai is

1. they get bugged and don't respond to commands for me
2. they go in to cuff a suspect in extremely exposed spots

[tough spire]

I have advice if you want it. I managed after figuring out three major things

[dense quest]

Mindjot advice is always valuable my man

[bronze vessel]

Also I want to adjust the mindset of the AI like how I want to deal with it (i.e. less lethal)

[bright valley]

I'm pretty sure the AI SWAT just go for whatever's closest when securing, which is unfortunate 'cause in practice they probably ought to prioritize zipping up suspects over civs and weapons.

[bronze vessel]

or just watch them and walk past them unless you tell them to cuff

also did devs implemented an any kind of anti cheat? I have been cheesing force quits to save my squad in case of a fail. It would be funny if they made swat ai dumber

[bright valley]

I doubt anti-cheat is a high priority in co-op PvE games.

[tough spire]

-I first one is where my whole "I mostly solo stealth Mindjot" thing came from: if you creep around with good wedge control and a mirror you can catch nearly every guard in the non-server area by opening up when they're facing away and tagging them in the back. Then use "move to me" to get them where you can safely cuff.

-Second is regarding server room stuff, I started bringing a secondary with a single JHP mag just to shoot out all those windows so I could return fire properly. I do this now on any LTL run. Hitting them from up high is better than trying to shoot high from down low.

-SWAT AI ambushes. What worked suuuuuper well was I'd park Red and Blue in a couple of dark corners covering zones I knew a flanker would try to hit me coming through and let them catch them off guard. When I finished my S run Mindjot I had a pile of four dudes in the server rooms surrendered at the open threshold held by red team.

[dense quest]

I stealth most missions too it's the easiest way of dealing with the suspects 0.1 reaction times

What most annoys me about mindjot is that my bullets refuse to go through the gaps in the racks

Like there's an invisible barrier

[misty garden]

Interesting take...trying some of that now. Thank you!

[dense quest]

Not fully refuse but I swear some bullets just don't register

[tough spire]

There is a clearly defined difference between a ready enemy and an idling one. If their gun is up, that's where the 0.1 comes from. You cannot win that. You have to hit them with a grenade around a corner they can't see you. If their gun is down, you have a fair fighting chance. Especially if they don't know you're there at all, they will often do things like awkwardly back up and try to take cover while muttering at you. The problem I think most of the people have that are complaining about AI reaction time that they're aggroing the enemy too much and putting them into that ready state so often that they don't get a chance to really fight on their terms much anymore

This ready enemy mechanic is what makes the mirror gun objectively the most useful thing in the game outside of subjective preference, being able to see if one of the AI is in kill mode before entering a room can make or break a run. Fun fact: when they are in this state you can also freely wall bang them with no ROE violation

[ruby bloom]

maybe it's their playstyle a lot of people describe just rushing and that ofc causes these issues

like I have non of these issues idk but I only played gas station and meth house so far

[tough spire]

I personally think a ready enemy should be able to burger you very easily, that's realistic. The 0.1 reaction time being what causes it is very stupid, though. A readyed enemy should be doing things like camping a corner with their sites trained on your entry point, not standing there like it's tower defense

[bright valley]

Trying to play co-op when you've only got like one or two other friends is its own problem, I've found. You're not compensated for the missing officers/resources in any way. No AI fill, no extra health, no handicapped enemies, just the same missions with 40-60% of the resources to actually solve them.

[fiery flame]

when harder ai mod

[bronze vessel]

but the human reaction time isnt that, mine is between 250-400 ms but if I try to identify the target/threat it is between 400-700 so. Also someone isnt always at the highest of their reflexes. Everyone relaxes or gets distracted after a few seconds so it might add a couple of tenths to that reaction time

Even though you know you are going to get shot at, opening the doors means you are most definitely getting a bullet in you. AI cannot flash fast enough.

Mirroring is too risky if the door is open. They can see you before you do and bang the walls/door.

[fiery flame]

i want to get shot by some guy 2 walls away because i made a footstep

and maybe give him like a anti aircraft gun

[tough spire]

If you watch guides on CQC, fairly consistently there will be rules about never crossing an open threshold, Open doors are highest threat. Although, you can mirror around corners and peak open doors anyway

[bronze vessel]

yeah but ai does it, is my point

[tough spire]

Yes, you definitely have to learn how to micromanage them to get them to not do stupid things like that.

[bronze vessel]

they even zip merge on entry which is hilarious because they always bump each other

[bright valley]

Yeah, this is one of those instances where I think realism ought to be sacrificed somewhat for gameplay, because while I'm sure the really fast response times might make for a realistically even fight as you peek, the result in the context of the game is that you're gambling on a fair coin toss several times per mission and your risk of ruin is super high.

[bronze vessel]

I think first one occurs when the door is half open or locked, from my experience

[tough spire]

When I'm playing my iron man run I tend to split red and blue elements into a leading and following team and play middle of the pack so that I can muuuuuuch easier micromanage whoever's taking point as we go.

[bright valley]

Doors provide a pretty clear cue for when you probably should mirror and grenade to tip the odds in your favor, but some maps are just devoid of that structure.

[tough spire]

Well it's not even realism for those. Also noticing "burger" instead of "murder" typo and getting distracted. But my point is a readied AI should pose a significant threat, but making them ungodly fast on reaction sure ain't the right answer. Huge agree with everyone on that one

[bright valley]

Not to mention controlling the SWAT without those reference points can be really shit.

[next olive]

ides of march AI

[slender adder]

daily ides slander

[bronze vessel]

also a question, how can we easily tell them apart? only way I found it by MMB on them and checking their names

[tough spire]

I think the absolute worst map feature that the legitimate AI brokenness shines through is those stupid caves.

[tough spire]

What's wrong with it

[tough spire]

There should be an option to see name tags above their heads

[bright valley]

I say it's realism just in the sense that, on paper, if you peek an angle someone is watching and you lock eyes, it can be considered 50-50 who shoots first.

[next olive]

they got aimbot brah

[bronze vessel]

yeah wish we could make them know by marking in the tablet at least, actually why not write this in feedback

[slender adder]

they are literally bots

[fiery flame]

and i have a 200$ gaming mouse

[ruby bloom]

I mean reallsticly speaking once one shot pops off everyone is alerted irl too idk if thats good or bad gameplay wise

[tough spire]

Not any worse than anywhere else?

[bright valley]

I don't really write feedback posts unless I've taken the time to structure my thoughts and have a feasible solution in mind for the problems I want to draw attention to.

I've done this exactly once so far, lol.

[bronze vessel]

I can write it if you dont mind

[fiery flame]

when do you guys think the next update going to come out?

[prime wing]

Update, not for a long time. Maybe december.

Hotfix? soon

[fiery flame]

w hotfix

[void trellis]

w

[tough spire]

Alerted yes, everyone on most maps should be alert by the time we roll up anyway. The objective problem with the AI right now is there is a "Readied" state (gun raised is the "tell") that is humanly unreasonable to beat in a face off and that's where you get people complaining about AI most of the time.

[prime wing]

Once 1.0 is out, content updates are not really a priority i think. Mostly now it seems to be polishing and going beyond a playable state, where the game is actually better than the early access experience

[bright valley]

I think it turns stress into a vicious cycle that flattens the gameplay loop.

[tough spire]

You can creep around the map, cover your movements, hit at angles they aren't expecting, etc to combat this phenomenon and you should be doing that anyway for tactical reasons.

[bright valley]

It's just the classic "video game stealth" problem where you raise alert once and you can't walk down from it no matter what you do.

[void trellis]

Yes

[tough spire]

??? Sure you can

You have to be pretty aggro to set them into the perma-Ready mode.

[fiery flame]

polish moment

[prime wing]

in adam, adding content and maps didnt really do much for the game.

[tough spire]

żart o Polsce

[prime wing]

One of the issues during EA. People thought that big updates meant = better game

[fiery flame]

Tak naprawde

[bright valley]

idk, the stress mechanic feels way too invisible for how evidently important it is to how you're supposed to play the game

[prime wing]

I dont think 80% of players know about it

if you are talking about enemy ai

[tough spire]

Having more AI personality diversity would go a long long way. Everyone feels basically "what flavor of suicidal gangster am I shooting today"

[bronze vessel]

I didnt notice the officer stress levels either. They are just as clumsy as any other level

[fiery flame]

when can i get an ai with the personality of a man who smokes a 12 pack a hour

[tough spire]

I want to kick open the meth house door and have a chance that one of them will bum rush me, not because they're trying to hurt me because they're unarmed and trying to get the F out of the house ASAP

Because that kind of moment of "do I shoot or not" is far more compelling RoE gameplay

[frail quartz]

Adding less predictabillity/more variety to fakeout animations would be nice too, it's painfully obvious when a suspect getting on their knees is about to pull a gun because of their unique animation

[bright valley]

Yeah, I think I've said before that this could probably be accomplished by putting a fairly exaggerated bias on suspect behaviors depending on their faction. One faction takes a lot of cover, another does a lot of risky run-and-gun, another tries to pop shots and flee, etc.

[frail quartz]

Maybe having some surrender animations be similar to the fakeouts

[fiery flame]

what about an ai or something hiding in a ceiling ready to deal with you

[bright valley]

Something that you notice without having to datamine the game.

[frail quartz]

Like a suspect repeatedly looking towards their hip/twitching their arm in that direction like they've about to pull a gun on you, but never actually doing it

[tough spire]

Omfg real. Brisa should have veterans camping corners holding angles, not meandering hallways grumbling about us

[bronze vessel]

civs freaking out with their hands is really common irl might be some variation of that

[bronze vessel]

there are ai hiding under beds and tables tho

[fiery flame]

one time i saw an ai standing next to coffee machine looking cofused on how to use it

at gas station

[slender adder]

people would complain about fighting against spidermans

[tough spire]

People complain about everything, George complained

[bright valley]

What'd be fucking wild is if the highly trained suspects could borrow the SWAT's mechanics and decide to pair up and clear into rooms sometimes, complete with audibly calling out their "stack up, clear it!" orders, but that's a pipe dream.

[slender adder]

MLO was supposed to be that I think

[tough spire]

Just go watch a few rounds of Ground Branch PvP with experienced players, get ideas from that. People get really creative and clever with very simple set pieces in very compelling ways.

[slender adder]

oh you mean actual in game mechanics

[fiery flame]

what about a group of like almost all the hostages in the map all baracaded in a room as if they are all thrown in the room by the suspects

[bright valley]

With the current lethality of the suspects though I think I'd have an aneurysm if the vets pulled battle drill 6 on me lol

[tough spire]

I made some SWAT maps with custom AI for ArmA 3 and had a lot of dice rolling and dynamic generation and one of the rooms in the first level was a room filled with hostages and there was a... 10%? chance that one of them would pull a gun on you after revealing it, but only if nobody was looking at him.

Man I had a lot of fun making custom AI scripting for ArmA bots for that. I wonder how hard it'd be to dig into the RoN guts...

[hidden wedge]

Is there any debuffs of having officers in crisis?

[mighty elbow]

no only buffs

[tough spire]

They can quit on you

[wispy burrow]

I hope void makes a story for ready or not there is a very good opportunity for a good story

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[tough spire]

There's a story, but still holding out on a good story

#🔎looking-for-players

[wispy burrow]

I don’t mean the voiced briefings those are meh, I mean like an actual story with your squad and whatnot

[fierce adder]

my bad

[upbeat shore]

Dont expect anything like that in the future.

[bright valley]

yeah, wouldn't hold my breath for that

[wispy burrow]

😔

[tough spire]

I'm gonna write a comprehensive fan fic now.

[wispy burrow]

hell yeah

[tough spire]

(Everyone would hate it, it'd be very anti-cop.)

[upbeat shore]

Just make sure to integrate a "Prologue" section where Gerard Scott is a SWAT instructor and friend/teacher to Judge.

[tough spire]

Is that the canon?

[upbeat shore]

No, but its my canon

Cause everything points toward this if you ask me.

[bright valley]

You sure?

[upbeat shore]

Nothing is confirmed. Its just the way i connected the dots for me.

[bright valley]

I got more of the sense that Judge was a MLO plant by the USIA and they've been keeping close watch on him.

[upbeat shore]

Another one of the tapes indicate that Gerard knows LSPD SWAT Officer Judge to some extent, as he claims to have knowledge about his training and methodology, as well as knowing "...what kind of man he is". He also compares himself with Judge, stating that they are both "part of the cycle in a never-ending game". This could indicate at Gerard being a former LSPD officer or, at the very least, having some connection to Judge.

[bright valley]

Though, strangely, Elaine Raskin and Gerard Scott, both former USIA agents who know of Judge, have both gone violently insane.

[tough spire]

I would try to play into the true canon as much as possible, but I'd write a commentary about the overmilitarization of the police force and how while SWAT is a necessary evil it is still, in fact, part of a corrupt system. Having 23 Megabytes be a setup for the rest of the story, essentially they got lucky finding what they did, etc., and making the overarching narrative about ends justifying means and how that mindset is what enabled the corrupt FISA etc. characters yada yada.

[wispy burrow]

what happens if we die in a mission again? I’ve been alt f4 my game each time I die so I don’t get my team stressed do you just get to start over or does your character get replaced like Connor in Detroit become human

I don’t even know my guys name

[bright valley]

One perspective I've heard about the game is how it feels like the LSPD's involvement in most scenarios feels very "too little too late". Usually some awful thing has already happened and you're just cleaning up.

[tough spire]

One of the most realistic things about them!

[upbeat shore]

Thats more due to the lack of missing characters (police officers, bystanders, etc) and environmental storytelling at the mission spawns if you ask me ^^

[tough spire]

I was listening to a great podcast that was talking about the North Hollywood shootout, the bank robbery that arguably kicked off the overmilitarization of the police IRL (it definitely at least started the militarization of it) and the cops literally watched the perps enter the bank and SWAT was still super late to the scene.

[bright valley]

"Maybe you've finally brought justice to true evil within the city: once and for all. But let's be honest... you haven't changed a thing."

[tough spire]

They took 18 minutes to get there after they were finally called in.

This was also the famous shootout where the guys had made their own body armor and so completely outclassed the law enforcement's gear that they had to send officers down to the local gun store to try to arm themselves better.

[prime wing]

👏 🦅 👆

[ruby bloom]

add nucleqr bomb

[spring knoll]

part of what makes me doubt the whole FISA corruption thing is the news onscreen at the end of the port mission, which straight up shows ||the auction room on news and says the operation was shut down. it doesn’t really track then that FISA was hiding anything, moreso we just stumbled upon something they were handling||

[bright valley]

Among the historical significance of the Glenrowan Siege, North Hollywood shootout, and Killdozer incident, I'm surprised we didn't end up getting a mission of a similar concept.

Always provides a daunting challenge whenever an individual or group manages to kit themselves up way more than the existing law enforcement was ready for, and a situation like that seems pretty on-brand for the game.

[tough spire]

Would involve ||more intelligent AI||

[shy tulip]

it would not work with RoNs weapons

I think they struggled because law enforcement there didn't have anything like they have now

They'd get clapped now

except killdozerr

[tough spire]

It would just involve greater gear creep.

[shy tulip]

Hulk Buster armor

[bright valley]

I dunno, I just assumed with enough creative liberty something could be figured out just to get the basic concept into place.

[tough spire]

North Hollywood brought AKs and literal machineguns to the party, for example. RoN we still wouldn't be able to handle an MG being used against us very well.

[bright valley]

robo mod false positive yay

[tough spire]

LOL curse you automod.

"But Brisa has..." no, Brisa has M249's that are used like every other generic gun in the game. I mean if a veteran on Brisa actually used it properly, set up a kill zone on the entry points and bunkered in and used it like an actual SAW we would never get through the front door with our gear unless we gassed out his area first.

[bright valley]

[muffled and sustained blindfire]

[tough spire]

[ruby bloom]

blow up the whole building

[tough spire]

"Suspects incapacited - 12/12, RoE Violation Unauthorized use of force - uhhh... what was the occupancy of the building again?"

[winter orbit]

Their fault for not installing SAM sites.
Don't hate the pilot, hate the air supremacy

[tough spire]

This is TOC, uhhhhh roger that, Apache's en route.

[winter orbit]

TOC to High Ground, Copy That, Raptor inbound

[tough spire]

Someone was saying earlier they want the Ratheon knife missiles.

[winter orbit]

I want a bipod knife as a long tactical personally

[tough spire]

Too OP

[ruby bloom]

[winter orbit]

True
Insta S-Rank as all the suspects see it and surrender

[nova ivy]

Just finished an ironman run with no officers lost. Got the Hermit achievement but no watch. Wtf man. I had some officers resign, but some people on reddit claimed to get the watch despite officers resigning. Feels bad man

[ember salmon]

If I reload a shotgun with buckshot then switch to slugs, do I lose the buckshot I reloaded with?

[shy tulip]

I think it's still in the chamber

I forgot exactly how they modeled it

[tight frigate]

would be cool if the final mission involved a urgent-urgent time limit so the player has to either play tactically and arrest people or just bumrush it to the objective, preferably on a big skyscraper for maximum epicness

[tacit lagoon]

can i not get my progress on commander mode if i switch desktops

i just switched desktops and everything transferred over except for my commander mode saves

[past elm]

Oddly had the same issue with me as well. I'll certainly let you know if I come across a workaround or way to fix it.

My only immediate thought as a workround is manually transferring the save data from the one desktop to the other. Though if you decide to try that just make sure to backup the save

[spring knoll]

for The Hermit does it count if i don't finish all main objectives? I accidentally killed the streamer but it let me progress to the next mission regardless

[stone bay]

Why can’t I order the element to, for example, remove a wedge, stack up and c2 a door/clear a room in one queue?

I’m sure that’s a programming limitation, but would be cool to see implemented.

[tough spire]

12/18 suspects on Greased 😱 closest Ive come so far

[tight frigate]

ceramic or steel?

[tawdry cosmos]

does anyone know why i cant get an S rank on twisted nerve and the ends of the earth?

I got all the weapons killed nobody

[tight frigate]

soft objectives

[tawdry cosmos]

i did that for ends of the earth

i got them all

[nova ivy]

Did you use the AI "Search and Secure" function (if you're playing singleplayer)?

Also, for Ends Of The Earth, make sure you grab that moneybag in the bedroom

[tawdry cosmos]

Don’t know how to do that

[tawdry cosmos]

And yeah I got the money

[topaz cedar]

Whats the strongest plates

[stone bay]

I use steel full coverage. Never done testing but I can definitely take more rounds

[shy tulip]

From what I've heard, kevlar reduces 50%, ceramic 100% until it breaks, and steel never breaks, but produces shrapnel that can injure those around you

[stone bay]

you can get like concussed and you’re aim gets all wobbly hasn’t happened to me since 1.0 though

[nova ivy]

If you're playing single player, use your middle mouse button, it should bring up a list of AI commands for your officers. Once you have all suspects secured, and all civilians secured, it should bring up a "Search and Secure" option for your AI teammates to pick up any weapons you may have missed

It will sometimes become available if you only have 1 civilian left, and of course they won't find them, so you'll have to find them yourself. It works great for missing weapons though.

[tawdry cosmos]

Thank you this is very helpful

[shy tulip]

From my understanding (idk how true it is) you have to physically see the item/NPC for them to secure it. They're not omniscient

[void trellis]

I was doing the thank you, come again mission yesterday. The AI officers breached everywhere without me getting a single shot off, killed the suspects, secured evidence, and the civs but they left one for me.

[shy tulip]

Hmm

[void trellis]

Yeah, I got shot tho because they weren't paying fucking attention until I took a round to my steel plate

[native rune]

Sometimes when I’m playing, an evidence will just randomly be secured, even though none of my guys moved to grab it, I’m assuming this is because it fell through the floor or something.

[nova ivy]

Yes that's precisely what happens. Very good thing too

[native rune]

Like after we kill a suspect down a hall, the gun will just randomly get secured

Yeah that’s good

[void trellis]

Same

[bright elbow]

whats an LF2?

[void trellis]

Huh

[void trellis]

Type of rifle ?

[bright elbow]

Right

[daring lily]

damn this game is so good every other tactical shooter i buy i end up refunding

[void trellis]

Lol

[shy heath]

The game at its state right now feels like call of duty slow movement - low health edition. Hope hotfix 3 is something big because its past 16 days

im not counting the unnoted update because its no other than just fixing port hokan (and there wouldnt be mass diffrence since its 14 days ago too)

[stone bay]

guys Greased Palms or Valley of the dolls or Ides of March, from order 1 to 3. 1 being the worst. Which missions is the worst?
mine are

1. valley (the worst one, my swat AI are dumb , the suspect AI can shoot the fuck out of your Swat AI)
2. Ides Of March
3. Greased Palms (Bro that ain't CQB, that map is big af.)

[stone stump]

why is valley on this list?

[bright valley]

I think it's a rather frustrating map for LTL but decent for lethal. When my friends were still interested in RoN prior to 1.0 we threw ourselves at it so much regardless of how terrible we were. Good times.

[earnest phoenix]

the only saving thing about S ranking valley is the shirt you get for it

[bright valley]

If only it didn't make one's officer look like a fucking boogaloo boy, lol

[earnest phoenix]

look like a what

[uncut nacelle]

ides of march is ez asf, first try S tier, greased palms can suck cuz of spawns

valley is just a big fps drop for me, from 100 to 40

[shy heath]

giving AI able to shoot through wall is incredibly physchopathic move. A guy on neon tomb without even seeing us at all just blasted us in full accuracy.

behind the walls

so i hope they remove the shooting behind the wall feature fully, because they said they are intended to do that

its basically saying, yeah they can do unhuman moves

[vocal night]

i dont think it should be removed fully but should be toned down a lot

they should still shoot at doors if you shoot at them first for example

[shy heath]

they need to make it perfectly great or just remove it

and, when you shoot them first they just track down you behind the wall perfectly until your dead

i can understand these but its too far

so yeah they better not nerf it lil bit but nerf it alot

[brittle sable]

hell no
that removes tons of depth you get with the enemy AI
like maybe make it less accurate and the penetration could be reduced a bit but wallbanging is still a good feature for the enemy AI

[shy heath]

yeah im just saying it ruins the fun if its not made professionaly accurate and perfect

[brittle sable]

i honestly cant say ive died to a wallbang where it wasnt my fault for making a dumb decision

[shy heath]

how much hours did you play the game?

or did you try an S?

also im not talking about singleplayer

swat ai can literally snipe better than them sometimes

[brittle sable]

coming up on... 300
ive got S runs but i dont do them as often, and if i do go for an S my clearing style changes with lesslethal/lethal

[shy heath]

you gotta be lucky then

because its so messed up right now

[vocal night]

its especially bad around doorways

[shy heath]

also im not saying devs are like bad and stuff, its just feels like game rushed or the game doesnt looks like in dev briefings

[brittle sable]

well, yeah
thats the position you are going to get most accurately wallbanged

because its easier to assume where a guy is if hes stacked on a door

[vocal night]

what i mean is you can see a litte bit of an enemy on a doorway, shoot them in the limb and they 180 hs you through the wall

there are countless clips of that

[shy heath]

man if you just shoot a suspect that is not aware of you and hide behind something they are opening wall hack and aimbot and just go rushing on you

[vocal night]

you can obviosuly work around these stuff if you know about them but these arent stuff that you should be working around

obviously if you know how fucked ai is you can work around this stuff

but you shouldnt have to

[brittle sable]

okay, thats probably overtuned
but shoot to kill

[shy heath]

the game is incredibly great, but yeah its just so annoying to mod stuff to get it right. And ai mods just make them so easy and it becomes non-intense game

[stone bay]

Am I tweaking or is my FSR Performance setting worse than my FSR Quality setting (fps-wise)

Why tf

[brittle sable]

like if you just pop one shot into a guy then he hides and you hide then he blindfires and gets a lucky shot, thats kinda ur fault

[vocal night]

you can shoot them through the wall too when you see a part of their limb but seemingly their penetration is much greater than yours

and pin point accurate at times

[brittle sable]

how are you seeing if a subject is compliant before shooting them

if you can only see a limb

[shy heath]

blindfire? luckyshot? bro are you one of the people say skill issue to ai problem videos?

[vocal night]

if you yell at them and they dont drop they arent compliant

[shy heath]

even devs accepted that AI is unfair at its moment right now..

[brittle sable]

no?
like the AI is overtuned, i have 0 problem admitting that
all im saying is not every death is the AI's fault

[shy heath]

im not saying that everytime i die its AI fault too? Where you made that up from?

[vocal night]

most of the wallbang deaths are ais fault

not all of them but most of them are

[uncut nacelle]

AI is the fault

[earnest phoenix]

we shoudl simply remove ai entirely

[amber dock]

Hey, that would fix all the issues people are having with ai

No ai, no issues

[daring lily]

the ai is lowkey pretty fun, everytime I try a different tactical shooter it feels like the AI share 1 braincell

[prime wing]

im listening

[daring lily]

the AI kinda turn it into a horror game, very immersive

I jump from an AI coming around the corner at least once a day

[shy heath]

lets just remove players, we watch swat ai compete with suspect ai

[dense quest]

I feel like irl swat is allowed to shoot anyone simply carrying a gun since even in this game it's said that negotiations have failed

suspects were probably told if they have a gun they're dead

I've seen real swat officers shout that before breaching rooms anyway

[quartz patio]

Different states have different rules regarding rules of engagement

[dense quest]

yeah that's true

[brittle sable]

Is there a spot you can access RoE for states? or is it OPSEC?

[quartz patio]

Given it's [the placr the game is set in] california I assume the officer's aren't allowed to shoot if they're being shot at

[dense quest]

personally I think during negotiations it should be made clear to suspects that if swat enters and finds anyone carrying a gun they're gonna shoot

there's no excuse to keep carrying a gun while swat are coming to you

[quartz patio]

Californians are just special

[brittle sable]

as a threat? sure
but i dont think youre shooting without immediate danger to life, and theres a difference between having a gun and raising or being about to shoot someone
could be wrong though is there an official source on cali RoE?

[quartz patio]

Pretty sure police in the UK ranover a kid they throught was carrying a gun then surrounded him

[dense quest]

I mean it's kinda obvious if someone is carrying a gun and is ready to shoot even if the gun isn't raised, body language and all

[quartz patio]

The gun was a blue and white watergun shaped like a glock with a double drum magazine

[dense quest]

either way in the case of barricaded suspects there shouldn't be a need for swat to wait until the gun is pointed at them, I feel like it devalues the swat officer's life

and there shouldn't be a need for them to keep shouting drop the gun, the situation is already past that after negotiations failed

[brittle sable]

nah, life saving force, barricaded suspects, you wouldnt just cap a guy

[quartz patio]

tbf it's californians going against californians

[brittle sable]

why is it so hard to find official stuff on roe or eof

[quartz patio]

So criminals don't abuse it

[dense quest]

also because it's not as clear cut as you say or as it came off to me at least, and different states and countries handle it differently

[brittle sable]

i mean.... i guess? its not black and white but surely you need some kind of official outline for use of force cases

[dense quest]

it's not always a life saving force if it's barricaded suspects who showed no cooperation during negotiations

it's simply ending an active threat

[brittle sable]

barricaded suspects is not an active threat

its a barricaded suspect

[dense quest]

I mean technically it is otherwise they would just leave the barricaded suspect

[quartz patio]

This game just labels every situation as barricaded suspects even though some situations are active shooter scenarios

[dense quest]

regardless of the namings

[brittle sable]

if the guy leaves his barricade, then its an active threat
actually no what do you consider active?

[dense quest]

well it's a threat in general I guess

leaving the barricade as you said

it could happen at any moment, so it's kinda active in my eyes

they have to neutralize the situation

[quartz patio]

That college mission, I don't get why the guy on the radio says 'negtions have failed'

Why are they trying to negotiate with shool shooters?

[brittle sable]

placeholder line

[dense quest]

actually there's a line that simply says "there's an active shooter stop them" or smth along those lines

I'm assuming the negotiations line isn't supposed to play

[brittle sable]

its not an active threat, you can prove this by the very existence of surround and callout

[quartz patio]

This game has officially released and there's still placeholders?

[dense quest]

but when negotiations fail they will send swat in, because it's still a threat that could escalate, you can't leave someone who's shown to be not cooperative and is possibly armed. I've just recently seen a bodycam of swat where a suspect jumped out the window and started running away (obviously armed and got shot)

my point is that it can turn into an active threat at any moment

hence it can be treated as such to an extent

it's all my opinion but yeah, especially in this game's missions where it's very obviously a dangerous situation with armed suspects

[brittle sable]

but when negotiations fail they will send swat in, because it's still a threat that could escalate, you can't leave someone who's shown to be not cooperative and is possibly armed
as far as im aware in most cases a lot of departments just keep doing surround and call

[dense quest]

nah they won't do it forever, it usually lasts a few hours then swat goes in

especially if the suspect stops responding to negotiations at all

[dense quest]

also tbf in the pulse nightclub shooting they tried to negotiate with the terrorist

cuz he kinda barricaded himself in a bathroom or smth

[brittle sable]

i cant find a source but i swear someone has had a surround and call for like 2 days
dont trust me on that

[dense quest]

no I can trust you, cuz different departments handle things differently

but honestly that in itself kinda shows that no one is sure how to handle these situations

[brittle sable]

its also really fucked to go for an entry after a surround and call imo

[dense quest]

and that maybe there's no one right way

[brittle sable]

like, the whole point of surround and call is to make your presence known as possible

and a key part of entry is staying uncompromised till entry

[dense quest]

but they also announce the entry, what more are they supposed to do

they shouldn't have to waste hours and resources because some bum ass is refusing to cooperate

[mental fable]

Is today another newsletter or another hotfix ?

[brittle sable]

aaand now im going to go look at a 33 page doj document

[dense quest]

you'd have to look at different ones for different departments too 💀

[uncut nacelle]

Does camera track work?

[brittle sable]

what, the spline system? not as far as i know

[uncut nacelle]

For cinematic filming

Like for better movement shots, not just forwards, backwards, sides

[quartz patio]

I think this game just suffers from unrealism and edginess

[brittle sable]

theyve definitely tried a little too hard to lean dark

[quartz patio]

Some maps are just edgy for the sake of being edgy

[dense quest]

I mean yeah, I love this game so much but I think it's still an early access kinda product

[brittle sable]

RoN has a great base concept, but they seriously just need to add more normal maps, warrant service type shit

[earnest phoenix]

thats what i really miss from swat 4

[dense quest]

either that or just make it a proper story line campaign that covers a certain aspect of swat missions instead of pretending to be a swat simulator

[brittle sable]

you could even do smaller campaign lines

[earnest phoenix]

i hate how they decided to make a story line even in the first place

so many mission ideas that cant be done because "it doesnt fit the lore"

[dense quest]

they kinda went for that since there's like 2 or 3 different story lines but it's messy

[uncut nacelle]

?

[brittle sable]

theres nothing even wrong with the fact its got a story
its just that everything is in the story

[dense quest]

I think what they could've done is a campaign mode of a story line (like the cp and trafficking and fisa corruption one) and other free play missions of random swat calls

[brittle sable]

"what, the spline system? not as far as i know"

[quartz patio]

A game based in California shouldn't have lore

[uncut nacelle]

[brittle sable]

its also not based in cali
its inspired by cali, but its a fictional spot

[earnest phoenix]

yeah thats what i mean i wish we got more "random" maps instead of "heres super ultra evil guy take him and his entire operation down singlehandedly"

[vast temple]

Hello i got a pop up that my "soldiers" are stressed and i should let them go on vacation. How to do it?

[brittle sable]

swap them out for someone else

[dense quest]

I personally love story campaigns, but the issue with RoN is that it doesn't satisfy neither the story campaign nor the free play missions

[vast temple]

Where? im new at the final version i was playing mostly beta

[brittle sable]

sidenote, are they panning out the UISA storyline? its got way more potential than the other lines

[dense quest]

that's why I'm saying it would've been great if they made a focused campaign mode and a free play mode

I would love to continue the trafficking corrupt FISA story

[brittle sable]

hold tab, open tablet
click on one of the four squares for the guy you want to replace
then hover a guy whos unassigned

[vast temple]

Thanks

[dense quest]

and I would also love to respond to normal calls with a couple suspects only who aren't john wicks and are able to surrender

I get that it'd be boring if the missions were very little suspects and are too easy etc

but for people who wanna play a swat simulator it's fine

I assume most of us here didn't get this game to play it like it's call of duty

meanwhile greased palms exists

that map genuinely has no tactics, just be a good call of duty shooter

[brittle sable]

i like the open part of greased palms
the package processing area is just pain though

[old spire]

are there any mods or tips or am i stupid when i play with the AIs is there anyway i can js make them open a door and thorw a flashbang or CS gas without clearing the fuckin room lmaoo 😭

[brittle sable]

the deploy command? dont remember ive never had to do that

[old spire]

nah it dosnt work lmao it dosnt show an option unless im in the biggest room and i want them to throw a falsh in my face 💀 😭

[crystal sierra]

Hey, is Beanbag considered as an unautorized force if i accidently shoot suspect or sometghging like that with it? To clarify, just had 1 strange situation where i encountered 2 suspects just running past me and my squad without noticing us, like they were literary crossing beside us, let's say i panicked and shoot them both with beanbag without firstly yelling for complience, is it considered as an unautorized force or... ?

[fathom dune]

If it was unauthorized you'd get a -50 when cuffing them

[crystal sierra]

Didn't saw if i lost points or not, that's the problem, my AI squad cuffed them

[brittle sable]

youd still see it
but logic would say shooting a guy with a beanbag for no reason is probably unauthorized force

[crystal sierra]

Doing S run, kind of half way done rn, still don't know if it's worth to continue xD

@brittle sable Not considered as an force, no points lost, clean S run :X

[brittle sable]

huh. maybe he raised right as you shot

[near schooner]

i shot a fucking pellet at a suspect

i shot him in the chest and he died

( probably had a stroke or something. )

[crystal sierra]

There is a small chance for them to die by beanbeg if shot in the head, there is a small chance for them to die by painball gun because it's gas based, if you enter in gas range without a gas mask yourself you will take damage as well.

[earnest phoenix]

no idea i dont think theyve really specified much in terms of new content post 1.0

[near schooner]

that doesnt mean anything to me

i said, i shot them in the chest and they died

not in the head

[bronze vessel]

This happened 4 more times today

[bronze vessel]

Im taking point, there is a door with concrete walls so it isnt the enemy, got my head blown by my second.

They also kill eachother in singe file. My first guy has shield so he should stop and second should engage but that doesnt happen, second has his gun high ready and third engages, thus shooting second in the back several times.

[slate bear]

why is my game crashing all of a sudden? it was fine like an hour ago

[stone bay]

Unironically restart your PC

[slate bear]

did, didnt fix anything
verified my files, updated all of my drivers + any microsoft updates

i even tried to use safe mode and it did not work

[stone bay]

Go into %LOCALAPPDATA% - make a backup of your ReadyorNot folder by moving it to your desktop and relaunch the game

C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Local if you need it to be more specific

[slate bear]

where's that if you dont mind me asking?

is it in the ready or not folder, or in a different one?

[brittle swan]

you can hit anyone with beanbags without yelling and it wont be unauthorized

[stone bay]

Hold your windows key and hit r, the run command will open up, copy and paste %LOCALAPPDATA% into it and it'll open the folder and do what I said before by moving the ReadyorNot folder to your desktop, its only the config files, it might help your crashing

[brittle swan]

even civilians

[plucky sage]

Cannot confirm that

[wispy bramble]

Balaclava update when

[pallid zephyr]

Yes, it won't be unauthorized force. Some of them like to not comply for the first 10 times I tell them to get down, usually a beanbag or taser will get them to drop quicker.

[white goblet]

facts

[wheat wren]

Lol the phone people

[pallid zephyr]

or the people that flip you off lol

I stopped playing games with people on Hide And Seek

easier to just bean bag them in the stomach or taze them

[wheat wren]

I just cannot imagine haivibg the balls to pull out my phone as though I were drawing a weapon and then take pictures, WITH THE FLASH ON, of a heavily armed SWAT guy during a terrorist attack or something.

[wheat wren]

The tazer ammo is pesky

[pallid zephyr]

Yeah that's true, I mainly use it when I'm going "Not trying to S but A is ok"

[honest owl]

Damn, I wonder if we're gonna get another patch that only fixes 5 bugs #announcements

Oh wait I just checked, it's actually 4

[slate bear]

it's a pie!

[silk yoke]

No newsletter

[slate bear]

why did you use that on yourself

[silk yoke]

He's me

[honest owl]

Felt

[ivory kiln]

do you think shooting terrorists is patriotic

[stone bay]

It depends.

[ivory kiln]

are the mindjot guys aware of the cp stored

[tranquil swallow]

and chip machine

[dense quest]

a lot of their voicelines are "I'm just here for the money" but they probably are aware

doesn't make sense to fight swat and not listen to negotiations otherwise

[bright valley]

Unless you think they're armed robbers dressed as police due to previous incidents where that has occurred.

Which is a hell of a plot contrivance but it does apply to Mindjot.

[native rune]

I don’t think “some of our staff were assaulted by people claiming to be police” can be used as an excuse to patrol the building with more armed guards than staff, waiting to full auto unload on people in full swat gear, declaring themselves to be officers, after having probably waited outside with their armored transport vehicles which probably have loud speakers

[ivory kiln]

didn't the briefing say that they were gonna announce themselves as the police

[native rune]

Unless cartel-equipped goons with full tactical gear and the NOOSE armored car from GTA 4 are a regular thing to see in LS I suppose.

[ivory kiln]

lots of dedication

bolton security too

[bright valley]

Bolton Security is different from Mindjot Security. They're absolutely aware of what's going on with Voll and it's reflected in their lines.

[ivory kiln]

why not surrender though?

are they really that dedicated

[amber hearth]

Because sticking to the contract and honoring ur business is the true american way yo

[native rune]

“I’ll protect you multimillion dollar corporation!!”
—RoN suspects

[bright valley]

In too deep? I dunno. Basically every guard there is running on the scale from accessory to accomplice in both child exploitation and murder.

And that's before they decide to shoot at cops.

I'm not exactly sympathetic, but I think there's rationale to follow.

[sleek hare]

Just wondering, is there any significant difference between AP and JHP ammo? i feel like they're the same

[bright valley]

Generally, AP is better versus armor and cover while JHP is better versus flesh.

[sleek hare]

Yeah but, sometimes i use JHP ammo on armored suspect and it still kills pretty good i would say

[native rune]

The number of shots it takes to down a suspect is highly dependent on the level of armor and the gun being used. All in all, JHP rounds can down a suspect with limb shots much sooner than AP rounds can

The spreadsheets go into more detail and for each gun specifically on each map

[bright valley]

Yeah. There's a gray area occupied by using big, high-powered rounds in JHP.

[native rune]

Suspect HP is also map-dependent, and not the same across all maps. That is also a factor that comes into play despite the round type

[sleek hare]

well that's interesting

[bright valley]

One caveat is that although JHP is significantly better at dealing damage via the limbs, it's usually much more likely than AP to cause arterial bleeding that results in death. If you're shooting to incapacitate, that's a risk, but if you're shooting to kill that's fine.

[sleek hare]

got it got it

also which pistol's is best for tac shield?

i usually use the phyton because of that one shot element

[umbral oar]

is there any reason to incap anymore

it gives the same points

[bright valley]

It doesn't score as high as keeping them conscious, but it's more points than dead. Many of the arrest objectives also seem to accept an incapacitated suspect.

[umbral oar]

oh yeah i forgot about that type of objective

[fervent orbit]

Will i lose my cosmetics if i uninstall

Ive heard conflicting things

[bright valley]

Some people like the revolver for the same reason you do, but the 5-7 is also popular in general.

[eternal steppe]

is it just me that hates the new gas station ost

[ivory kiln]

can incapacitated suspects bleed to death

[eternal steppe]

I dont know but I remember seeing a video of a non-incapacitated arrested suspect bleeding out in about 8 minutes

[native rune]

If you get an arterial shot on them yes

[bright valley]

I like the new gas station music, old one didn't match the atmosphere.

[native rune]

I like it too

[native rune]

No way this is the case otherwise there would be a lot of re-reporting to do

[eternal steppe]

well the suspect was already shot in the first place

you could hear his labored breathing the entire time

maybe that was before 1.0 and they changed it

[ivory kiln]

ok cuz i shot qadamadah but is said objective failed a few seconds after i shot him

[eternal steppe]

yeah they can bleed out while standing up if you hit an artery

[native rune]

Yeah as someone who’s been playing for over a year I doubt it. Suspects can bleed out after a few seconds of being shot in the arteries as evidenced by heavy bleeding, whether they are still standing, incapacitated, surrendered or cuffed. But if this happened several minutes afterwards the player would have to go through the map and report the bodies that were previously incapacitated again as dead.

I’ve spent, on the high end, like an hour on some maps, so I feel like I would’ve seen that by now if it was a thing.

[ivory kiln]

interesting

[eternal steppe]

the new one is just so fast for literally no reason

[dense quest]

I think having the ability to shoot more accurately from a distance makes other guns better than the revolver

and also more bullets in a magazine can be a life saver

[edgy oxide]

Downloading as we speak 😀 am I in for a treat guys 😂??

[umbral oar]

yes its delicious

[edgy oxide]

❤️

Replay ability I hope!!

Gonna need to make some friends too 🫠🤦

[ivory kiln]

i feel so fast with ceramic

idk if it's wroth it much now that it can break

[dense quest]

ceramic is still best imo

[buoyant current]

why has ron got so hard

last time i played it was easy

now im dying on the gas station mission

[loud whale]

There's something about putting all your AI in civvy clothes and trying to do the school map as quickly as possible

Such a good map imo

[shy tulip]

I like it, I think people who don't like it were expecting too much from a game

Well, those specifically who wanted certain aspects of the map to be different

[loud whale]

I think obvious politics means they couldn't do elementary/high school

For that map

[shy tulip]

I think people don't realize that the devs probably didn't want to have to model, code, voice, and overall create children getting killed

[loud whale]

True

[shy tulip]

I feel like in games where you can (because people mod it) they're still most of the time just adult models sized down

[loud whale]

Speaking of changed things, in that first original trailer there was some club called the staircase, cant type it because bot removes it, but you know what I mean, what was that meant to be

[shy tulip]

The booty staircase

[loud whale]

Thats the one

[shy tulip]

pretty sure it was supposed to be a more direct reference to a certain shooting irl a few years ago

But I think Neon works just as well

[loud whale]

Fair enough

[ivory kiln]

neon tomb is my favorite level

i love replaying it

[dense quest]

they heavily buffed the suspect AI where if they're aware of your presence they'll have a 0.1s reaction time

they'll address it next patch

[dense quest]

(also buffed their accuracy and other things I think)

[shy tulip]

Players when they go loud blowing shit up and wonder why suspects are more likely to shoot at them and are more aware

[dense quest]

I don't think that's the complaint but 0.1s is absurd

and the laser accuracy

[tough spire]

Chibi big head mod when

[loud whale]

I play with an AI Mod called AI Reimagined, makes it better

Dont think I'd have completed the missions without it

Latest 0.4 slightly buffed AI difficulty though

[shy tulip]

I feel like someone a long time ago made a picture of Judge as one of those bobble heads, but no way I can find it now

[dense quest]

I completed all missions and doing a rerun now with no mods, it's very doable if you micromanage your swat ai cuz they also have 0.1s reactions and laser accuracy you just gotta keep them alive

[loud whale]

But college definitely feels like a go fast type map

[dense quest]

also playing as stealthy as possible always helps

[loud whale]

C2/Ram and flash and move

[bright valley]

Interestingly, there's actually VOs in the game files for a boy and a girl civilian in The Spider. The girl's voice lines seem to have gotten used for Crystal Leighton in Thank You Come Again.

[dense quest]

c2 breaks immersion cuz I don't think any swat team would use it in an active shooting situation like that

I'd assume it's too dangerous considering there are civilians in any room

[loud whale]

I use it just because..shock and awe I guess

but definitely notice the suspects firing at civvys a lot sooner when its used

[tough spire]

I really want to stack Veteran perk sometime and see what happens

[dense quest]

yeah sounds interesting although idk how harsh the diminishing returns are

maybe it'd go from 0.1 to 0.09 only or smth

[bright valley]

According to that one steam guide that circulated around a while back, Veteran's increase in accuracy and reaction time is +15%/+30%/+35%/+40% as you stack the trait.

[buoyant current]

Bro i am too bad for this

[frail quartz]

Are you talking about the voicelines for the children's TV show that plays?

[bright valley]

No, like a whole suite of lines for all the different events a civilian can be subject to. Look for the AgencyCivilian_03 and AgencyCivilian_04 folders in the game's files.

[loud whale]

I do find it funny that the extra soft objectives you find in missions, aren't what's actually in the evidence lockers..I thought it was related at first

[craggy yew]

Do you guys think that d platoon gets a discount at the neon nightclub?

[frail quartz]

Depends on their score, they'd probably be banned permanently for anything under a C

[ashen spruce]

does anyone know if they're ever gonna change how far the sights are on like make it customisable as to the distance on the rail?

[craggy yew]

So based on cosmetics at least one member of d platoon has a wife and kids who is it?

[tacit lagoon]

how do i transfer my data on ron from one desktop to another

[ashen spruce]

Umm, I could be wrong but as long as it's the same steam account it should be saved on the steam cloud

Could be wrong tho I've never done it myself

[tacit lagoon]

My commander mode data didn't transfer

[ashen spruce]

Oh um u could try backing up the game on ur main one and moving the file to the other desktop?

Again donno if that would work or not

[tacit lagoon]

ill try it

[supple vine]

Hey, any tips on Carriers of the Vine? always die to the last suspect at the Church, no matter how much I flash bang them.

[foggy zinc]

g a s

[ashen spruce]

Me and my friend went with a beanbag shotgun that seems to do well

[craggy yew]

Breach with shotgun, gas and clear

[foggy zinc]

C2 is more fun and might incapacitate them if close enough to a door

[craggy yew]

I like how when you c2 a suspect the game marks them as dead for like 3 seconds

[ashen spruce]

Also the taser is pretty good, but the bastard on the hospital map doesn't seem to give a fuck about it

[craggy yew]

Bean bag shotgun

[ashen spruce]

The dude doesn't give a fuck about the shotgun either we tried

We've played the hospital map like 18 times and we keep getting like 5 enemies away from winning then dying, they can be bullet sponges sometimes

[silk yoke]

Yeah sometimes they just eat nonlethal. I think that has to do with the new "stress" mechanic. More noise = less chance to surrender

[craggy yew]

They can’t shoot back if your turn their hand into a fine mist with buckshot

[ashen spruce]

I shot a dude once and his gun was pointing at the ground and he 1 tapped me like it wasn't even pointing anywhere near me but the anger gives so much more gratification when I finally live through a level.

[wraith socket]

Is it just me or are flashbangs more effective than stingers?

[ashen spruce]

I think it depends coz stingers are good if it lands like on their feet

[dense quest]

someone's video said stingers have bigger range

but I never was sure

[ashen spruce]

From experience stingers almost have like the range of the room coz I've hurt myself with them alottttt

[swift owl]

Hey, is the roaster of my officers gone? (NPC bots - fellow buddies)
You know the Tablet (TAB) menu where you could see the bio and info of your colleges and make them to go for therapy if they are stressed up.
It was in the game when it launched v. 1.0 (in December 2023)
Now I don't see it anywhere

[dense quest]

No they should be there

Are you sure you're not in multiplayer?

If not then do you got any mods?

[uncut nacelle]

skill issue

long time no playing - forgetting about many things,

[swift owl]

i am in single player loaded an older save file but everything was gone i mean my progress. that might be the problem

[swift owl]

no mods

[swift owl]

they implemented advanced enemies now they behave as if they was real ... closely.

[ivory kiln]

we need a prison map in RoN

[craggy yew]

We need a maid cafe map

Femboy civilians

[ivory kiln]

and a maid outfit as a reward

[craggy yew]

The S rank unlock is cat ears

Man void should hire me I got so many ideas

[frail quartz]

You can argue it's fitting because Russia has more cats per household than a lot of other countries

[frail quartz]

Maid outfit isn't unlocked by default?
WE WORK TO EARN THE RIGHT TO WORK TO EARN THE RIGHT TO WORK TO EARN THE RIGHT TO WORK

[eternal steppe]

is the fan service tattoo AI generated 💀

say it aint so

[dapper kestrel]

A lot of artwork in the game is ai-generated.

[white goblet]

can't b facked 2 do artwork m8
2bizzy rippin darts

[dapper kestrel]

I don't speak southside Chicago ghetto

[white goblet]

nah m8 i'm from perth

[dapper kestrel]

thats embarassing then

[white goblet]

m8 i got 2 words for ya

[daring lily]

i think thats just internet slang

but i can be sure as ive never been to soutside chicago ghettos

[white goblet]

Good Evening

[daring lily]

Gud evening

[dapper kestrel]

dunno if this a rare take but 'Elephant' was overhyped and its one of the worst maps by far just for how extremely lazy the design is.

[white goblet]

Did they fix the Ai teammates being unable to open doors that have been slightly opened already?

[dapper kestrel]

Shooters always in same spots
Never really wander
Will be in same room as civs and not shoot them
Civs aren't running around
No background music or noise to stress the fact that this is literally a school shooting.
etc

[dapper kestrel]

VOID has made 0 changes to the ai since 1.0 released.

[white goblet]

[dapper kestrel]

I'll never stop saying 1.0 was a cashgrab though

I wanna see RoN succeed so badly, but it never will unless community and VOID stop seeing 1.0 as anywhere close to a standard release

VOID literally spent a year falsely advertising.

[knotty ferry]

i thought it would be a lot like the "active shooter" mission types you could choose on some of the maps during ea but its just boring

[dapper kestrel]

Exactly, how did they fuck it up

[white goblet]

If I didn't know any better, I'd think this game was just a one-off that was basically made to "raise awareness" about trafficking / put edgy stuff into a game, sorta like that game Hatred

[dapper kestrel]

also the amount of wasted content is insane. Old Hotel > Clemente Hotel.

[dapper kestrel]

No, RoN was never meant to be that at all.

It was supposed to be a successor to the SWAT series.

[proven herald]

Does anyone know why when I equip the HRT rescue shield it just doesn't equip properly? It just defaults back to the previous tactical :/

[dapper kestrel]

Are you high rn?

[white goblet]

yes, hence the disclaimer

[daring lily]

i lowkey just want to raid a house i dont wanna save america from human trafficking

[knotty ferry]

ong

[white goblet]

serial killer map and bank robbery map when

[stuck wing]

There's a mod that add ambient sound to the background on elephant which I think it's really nice touch

[dapper kestrel]

So much this. SWAT4 didn't need some convoluted supervillain shit. It just had mostly normal scenarios that SWAT would encounter in their careers.

[knotty ferry]

legit no actual swat team ever getting in these types of situations

[dapper kestrel]

mod this, mod that.

No offense to you but can we shut the fuck up about mods? Why the fuck are modders doing more effective, quicker and more transparent work than VOID does in years.

[white goblet]

it's much closer to an FBI type of deal rather than SWAT imo, but i don't know anything

[daring lily]

was the old hotel map the wenderly hills hotel?

[knotty ferry]

pretty much

[knotty ferry]

yep

[dapper kestrel]

It still is just fucking mindboggling that a lone modder (mostly) fixed Ready or Not's overkill suspects within SIX FUCKING HOURS of release

[daring lily]

i liked that map

[dapper kestrel]

It's been almost two months and VOID hasn't touched it

[white goblet]

[dapper kestrel]

Just ungodly amounts of frustrating that VOID is so ineffective.

[native rune]

Welcome to the club

[craggy yew]

D platoon kissing update when?

[dapper kestrel]

"bUT tHEy HAvE tO wORK oN aLOT oF thINGs"

The largest complaint by far is the a.i.

If they want to get a large chunk of heat off of them, why didnt they fix the ai in Hotfix 1 immediately.

[craggy yew]

That’s why I’m sticking around

[bright valley]

There's a lot to criticize, but I think y'all cross a line when you start attributing the problems to evil motives that aren't backed by evidence.

[white goblet]

This week's announcement: There will be no announcement this week.

[hidden wedge]

Why do they SWAT AI keep shooting each other? Just watched an officer execute another with his 12 gauge.
-30 Friendly Fire

[native rune]

A company being greedy isn’t evil it’s a company being a company

[dapper kestrel]

not to mention, before they went on break they said in the announcements that in the week post 1.0 they were going to release hotfixes and then they just didn't do that.

[craggy yew]

Silly thoughts won

[white goblet]

They're called VOID for a reason, they're a black hole meant to steal the souls from us

[native rune]

Maximize profits minimize effort

[hidden wedge]

AI artists

[dapper kestrel]

I'm still stuck on No Crack creator fixing the ai in mere hours 💀

and VOID just sitting there for months

[knotty ferry]

wait is some of the tat art actually ai?

[white goblet]

tons

[knotty ferry]

thats crazy

[native rune]

RoN is filled with time-saving measures like ai art while at the same time being full of important things that needed more work.

[bright valley]

Sure, but stuff like the whole "they abandoned RoN to work on other games" thing is factually untrue and I know because I actually read the interview that started the rumor.

[white goblet]

Good thing we got those trailer units though

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon has the longest edging streak?

[knotty ferry]

judge

[native rune]

They prefer to call it Pieing

[dapper kestrel]

Tons of the game art

[craggy yew]

I don’t think the lab boys taught him how to jork it

[dapper kestrel]

and the entire captions isnt a script, it's also AI

[frail quartz]

Was Hatred meant to raise awareness?

[knotty ferry]

nah hes sentient

[frail quartz]

I thought the devs were just edgy

[white goblet]

yes

[knotty ferry]

since hes like lab made he is resilent to stress

[bright valley]

Absolutely not.

[native rune]

I mean things that can be hated do tend to spread quite easily

[white goblet]

no not meant to raise awareness, that was a different thing

[frail quartz]

We're talking about that game where you play as a mass shooter

[native rune]

Never heard of it

[frail quartz]

Good

[craggy yew]

I think you’d catch Swan in a Japanese maid cafe while still in uniform

[white goblet]

No I don't have it in my steam library why would you ask me that

[native rune]

Well actually 🤓 all fps have you shooting a massive amount of people

[frail quartz]

Still in uniform as in he's still decked out in tactical gear, or does he have a sidejob there?

[craggy yew]

Both are funny

The LSPD don’t pay like it used to

And he gets an employee discount

Work benefit maxing

I feel like Prescott caught Swan at his second job

[knotty ferry]

wtf

the statue in volls basement kills you instantly if you shoot it

[craggy yew]

If you were a statue would you like getting shot?

[native rune]

Clip or it didn’t happen

[dapper kestrel]

please record that.

[knotty ferry]

i tried

my medal is wack af

[dapper kestrel]

wait wait show us the replay

[knotty ferry]

oh yea

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon has griddy’d at the police station

[frail quartz]

They do that all the time in the marketing department

[craggy yew]

Do you think Swan watches anime on the clock

He probably got a work meeting called about it

[vague sparrow]

Whats the least laggiest map in your guys opinion in RoN?

[knotty ferry]

ok i finally got the clip

#🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[stuck wing]

Mods can be used to add things or fix where thr devs failed to accomplish so anyone using them can have more pleasant gaming experience rather than just sit and wait for the Devs to add or fix those problems themselves

[dapper kestrel]

There are a lot of core elements that devs should have fixed themselves or already had in the game that the community shouldnt have to rely on modders for

[craggy yew]

Do you think a member of d platoon has a stripper pole in their house?

[bright valley]

Probably 4U Gas Station.

Small map and not a lot going on in the surrounding scenery.

[dapper kestrel]

Yeah probably 4U Gas or 23MBPS

[stone bay]

With how shit my device is, surprisingly it’s Port Hokan for me. That’s the only map I can consistently hit 60 fps

[tough spire]

What about the beach house?

[vague sparrow]

Upstairs the second floor for some reason gives me a lag spike when I look at a certain area

[bright valley]

Yeah, I've gotten lag spikes on Ends of the Earth too.

[hearty harness]

some mods say "pending download..." but never start downloading??

[stone bay]

I really don’t get it. How is it that the map with CONSTANT rain, gives me 60 fps. The rest, if not all maps give me about 30-50 fps at most with a lot of frame drops

[tough spire]

Weird. It's so small and not particularly detailed

[stone bay]

Yeah 4U or 23 MBps shits on my frames

[tough spire]

Not very complex level geometry probably

[stone bay]

Gotta take in account how massive that map is too. That’s why I’m bewitched

It’s raining and it’s a massive map

[tough spire]

Before I upgraded, Brisa always nuked mine. It was the lighting I think

The rain doesn't matter really tbh

[stone bay]

It should for me. Games with rain + a shit device doesn’t bode well. Minecraft rain shits on my frames

[daring lily]

ye fr port hokan doesnt have a ton of intricate detail mainly just big props around the place

[stone bay]

Elephant map also destroys my frames

For some reason when I go near the library, my frames fluctuate a lot

[tough spire]

That's very odd. Rain is usually a very low impact special effect. Unless you're getting a bunch of extra fancy wetness post processing or something.

[stone bay]

Prolly shaders had a factor in it. Since I can’t play Minecraft without shaders back then

[bright valley]

extra fancy wetness

[tough spire]

That's how I define a few things tbh.

[stone bay]

Speaking of post processing, I turn that shit down to Low in RoN. Why tf does it make the game A LOT darker

[tough spire]

Probably a lot of the pre baked lighting being done in post processing layer

[stone bay]

It’s baking my laptop alright