👮ron-discussion

[proven crag]

The real heros are the meth heads

They are trying to save us from something we cant see

[stone bay]

Gerard is the true protagonist

[bright valley]

The whiteboard in the FISA office mentions the brothers from Ends of the Earth as "competition" and suggests they considered (or did) report them to the LSPD.

[shadow ether]

I think it's pretty realistic that a corrupt force sent someone to figure out a smuggling ring but they sent the exact dude that won't find anything and will let no one find anything
Tbh the campaign feels like FISA and USIA or what's its name keep losing their assets to D platoon showing up

[proven crag]

The terminal list type lore

Dude i just need a mexican cartel raid type map and fix the AI and the game is perfect

[shadow ether]

And it makes sense why he'd want to shoot the entire swat team, he'd say "the gang did it" and case closed

[stone bay]

Isn’t that Rust Belt already

[shadow ether]

Why was the gang there? Because they're crazy, duh

[proven crag]

No no

Make the suspects like real mexican narcos

[shadow ether]

Are they not?

[proven crag]

With mexican military clothing and high caliber weapons

Something like that, And a lot of radios

[shadow ether]

Or you mean like full tactical kits, javelins and a tank

[proven crag]

No no

[stone bay]

Now that’s defo full on “war on drugs” type of kit

[shadow ether]

Pretty sure most of them had rifles and pistols

[proven crag]

Nah, They use barretts and things like that

Havent you seen them?

[shadow ether]

.50 rifle would make no sense whatsoever in a tunnel

That's a good way to delete everyone's hearing

[proven crag]

fx05 or ar15

Or ak

[shadow ether]

What about ak

When I played it I am certain they had a bunch of AKs

[proven crag]

Yeah

Something like that

ARs and AKs

[shadow ether]

And that's not big enough guns?

[proven crag]

M249

Almost forgot

You have to take in mind that the cartel has a lot of money also that the military salaries are really bad in mexico so theres alot of desertors or people that sell equipment to the cartel

[shadow ether]

Yeah but not all of them need to carry huge guns, especially if they expect attention/trouble

[proven crag]

Yeah

Maybe some dude like a lookout with a vest full of radios and a 1911

[shadow ether]

Not only the lookout, the entire topside team

Who knows who might be watching, better not scare them

But down there, oh boy better scare them a ton

[proven crag]

Inside the house the dudes with the heavy guns and outside lookouts

[frail quartz]

I kind of wish the '97 helmet didn't require you to beat the entire game so I can roleplay the "underfunded PD using old equipment" aesthetic better

[hybrid spoke]

Order to Chaos on an S-Rank Neon run. The last civ is stuck in this. https://i.imgur.com/WmODUle.jpg

[arctic wigeon]

How do I play all the maps

Or do I have to unlock em?

[stone bay]

You unlock them as you play

[winged hornet]

Complete every map

[heavy oyster]

so um

[proven crag]

Sad how they sell you a "full game" where AI doesnt even work properly

[stone bay]

Indeed. I feel cheated out of my $50 but since I can’t get a refund there’s fuck-all I can do except mod the game.

[reef surge]

Well I mean I guess that's what the modders are there for

There are quite a few AI Overhaul mods

I'd say just try them all and use which works for you best.

[stone bay]

I’ve been using both the easiest version of No Crack for AI, as well as SWAT and Suspect AI Overhaul

[reef surge]

Are there harder versions?

[stone bay]

For No Crack yeah

The AI mod I use in my clips is “Here I Come AI Realistic Mod Pack” Singleplayer Tactical-Hard version

[rain sleet]

I have to ask: what is the functional difference between Stingers and Flash-bangs?

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and conjecture out there so I can’t find an actual answer.

[prime wing]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

Best source I can provide

All community gathered

[tulip slate]

the cardboard cutout on 4u gets me every single time

[frail quartz]

I'm still waiting for a map that takes place in a cardboard cutout factory with randomly positioned cutouts

[wispy burrow]

I’m convinced ides of march is fucking impossible

I’m on my 20th retry

[onyx axle]

It took me a while but I initially got through it by taking the first room on the right of the entrance and clearing every outside room one by one and taking the centre room last

Mirror every single door

[tulip slate]

the route i used to beat it is:
-Spawn at fire exit. This will give you clear access to the centre room.
-Leave spawn, do NOT let your team clear the hallway. Instead, immediately stack up and breach the door to the centre room, which should be in front of you.
-From there, identify doors that can lead you into rooms on the opposite side of the hallway, and use routes that have minimal hallway travel time. (Do not be afraid to shoot and arrest suspects nearby.)
-Repeat this until the rooms are cleared, and you can now clear the hallway.

[crude prism]

I definitely don't have the grenades listed in there. But if you want a concrete answer.

Flashbangs effectively don't deal damage, it's like less than a fraction of a point. 0-800 unit range

Stingers deal damage and have two separate ranges. One from 0-800 and one weaker from 0-1000 (effectively 20% more range)

Because they deal damage, stingers can "crit" and cause enemies to fake-death/get knocked out, giving you a chance to cuff them, or simply extra breathing room when breaching.

The main downside of stingers is because of their shape, they don't plink off walls/land as reliably as flashbangs do.

[inland wolf]

i once died to a flash trap when finishing S rank SIns of the father

[crude prism]

lmao, F

[inland wolf]

its ok, i used modded and then blasted them with beowulfs

👍

[wispy burrow]

yeah I did that, 3 of my team died

In the center room

[inland wolf]

center feeds are hell

ides in general is aids, because the guy behind the bar is immune to CS, flash and everything you could possibly think of

[wispy burrow]

I cleared room by room like maybe 5 times, each time I randomly get two tapped in the head and die out of no where

[inland wolf]

you gotta start wedging doors then

[wispy burrow]

I did that too

[inland wolf]

if you are dying in 1202

its most likely due to a guy on the balcony

[wispy burrow]

are you serious

god damn it

[inland wolf]

if you want to clear 1202

[wispy burrow]

I always die at 1202

[inland wolf]

you should grenade the piano area

but not walk into it

then clear balcony, which is difficult if you are trying to nonlethal

the AI can see you even if the opacity is literally like 0.99

[wispy burrow]

fuck NONLETHAL I WILL KILL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ASSHOLES I JUST WANT TO FINISH THE MISSION

[inland wolf]

i agree with this statement

why should we value the life of someone who doesnt value ours

[wispy burrow]

I tried using pepper spray gun it was fun but I don’t value their lives anymore so it’s guns blazing now

[inland wolf]

VKS or TPL?

[wispy burrow]

VKS

[bright valley]

TPL is so bad lol

like half the ammo for the same amount of slots

[inland wolf]

some people dont like the pepperball guns

[bright valley]

they're not ammo efficient at all but the AoE of the pepperballs is cool

[inland wolf]

wdym

i can get 3 suspects in one mag if i catch them by surprise

and lots and lots of callouts...

[bright valley]

3 suspects per slot of ammo is comparable to, like, the revolver

[inland wolf]

yeah but this is nonlethal

you're always going to need a lot of ammo

i bring 6 mags and an m320

typically

[bright valley]

still competing with the beanbag shotgun for ammo efficiency, which is usually a shell or two per suspect

[frail quartz]

Sometimes I have to resist the urge to make an extremely political joke that will more than certainly start a massive argument

[inland wolf]

i just dont like it though because beanbag has dogshite height over bore

[bright valley]

there's good reasons to use either the vks or the beanbag shotgun imo

tpl though, nah, not worth it

[frail quartz]

Who cares about faster reload speeds if I'm gonna be reloading much more often anyways? 😤

[arctic wigeon]

Any good mod recs?

[bright valley]

more like who cares about faster reload speeds if i've completely run out of ammo to reload

[tawny scroll]

guys imma continue my solo runs (no ai teammates), i left off at greased palms. 🫡 wish me luck on voll house

[inland wolf]

LVAR Beowulf

[wispy burrow]

thank god I finished the mission

I got a C but I don’t fucking care screw those bastards

[arctic wigeon]

How do I do a solo mission without my ai teamates getting in the way

[stone bay]

Tell them to hold at the spawn point

[ebon trench]

i finally saw trailers in game

after 70 hours

[hasty oak]

void: adds suspects world building animation and trailers
never shows up 99% of the time

[tough spire]

Isn't it like only in Practice mode or something?

[bright valley]

only one i've see is the homeless guy urinating outside during The Spider

which is admittingly hilarious because he can't surrender until he finishes his business

[stone bay]

Correct

[bright valley]

really weird that features like that or trailers would just be entirely absent from commander mode or co-op

like i kinda get co-op maybe because there's networking funkiness, but isn't commander mode supposed to be, like, the core experience with all the features?

[tough spire]

Total sidenote, trying out the latest Ground Branch patch and the AI feel like absolute child's play after being so used to RoN

[winged hornet]

Watching my squad mate in coop hit a guy in the pelvis with a beanbag while he’s urinating is one of my favourite authorized uses of force to date

[soft narwhal]

They're there

Just rare to see

It's a specific circumstance to get them to show up if I'm not mistaken

[bright valley]

Sir, we need you to let go of your johnson! SIR, LET GO! LET GO NOW! LET GO! [beanbag]

[ebon trench]

its after you get all civs and suspects

they really only move people

dont do much

[bright valley]

They really, really ought to help get civs after order to chaos has been achieved. I'm sure someone somewhere is going to argue that's not their job or something, but for the sake of gameplay it would be super beneficial.

[ebon trench]

Fr only elephant too

I swear takes me 10 minutes to find a single civ

[soft narwhal]

Thats one of my biggest gripes.
Sometimes there's just a lot civvies and you forget to or don't remember one you didn't restrain and you gave to traverse the entire map just to find it

[bright valley]

Once all the suspects have been dealt with, the civilians stop fulfilling the role of "potential threat you need to avoid accidentally shooting" and just become an annoying game of hide and seek.

[ebon trench]

elephant i would get why students wouldn't run out after threats gone

could be the shooters luring em

thats really it

[tough spire]

Fun fact: If you're ever hiding from an active shooter threat and you've barricaded yourself into a room, if someone claiming to be police asks you to open up you can ask them to slide their badge under the door and they will do it.

[ebon trench]

true but we cant do that in ron

i just realized

why does the lb vest kit have two radios

like a jtac

[bright valley]

gee bill

[prime wing]

at my old school there was an issue once. There was a police officer trying to tell us to come out but the teacher was not so sure. We had to wait until administrator yelled from the hallway to let us out since it the lockdown was over. A weird moment. Probably some serious miscommunication of some sort.

It was a false alarm anyways

[coarse robin]

I wanna play but I can't because I only have an xbox

[ebon trench]

you could just buy a cheap laptop

[bright valley]

active shooter drills in school are ahead of my time

[ebon trench]

i have a 1650 ti

[coarse robin]

Can't afford a laptop

[ebon trench]

running on epic i got 60-75

well atp idk

[coarse robin]

Damn it

[tough spire]

Want me to buy you a new gaming PC?

[coarse robin]

What

[bright valley]

the good ending

[tough spire]

I figure that's why you brought it up.

[coarse robin]

I thought my luck ran out

[prime wing]

you can wait two years for a possible console release.

which is a good idea, game is not finished

[ebon trench]

doubt it with all the controls in the game

[bright valley]

1.0, baby

[prime wing]

game will handle like shit

[tough spire]

Never underestimate the power of dumbing it down for the console players

[coarse robin]

Now I want a PC but I ain't got that luck

[tough spire]

It's not about luck. It's about makin' cash and spendin' it.

[bright valley]

yeehaw

[coarse robin]

I don't have the good amount of pay for that

[tough spire]

Now I may just be a simple Oregon hippie but I reckon there's all sortsa ways a man can lease out his time and body for a little green to game with.

[gilded mortar]

Here is the question, the balaclava is not usable in game right now, but I keep seeing people wearing it in my lobby without balaclava mode. Can somebody explain how does it works??

[bright valley]

[ebon trench]

that idk

[coarse robin]

I can't

[ebon trench]

could be the sniper or not mode

i know theres a mod that unlocks stuff in ron

but idk where that is

[tough spire]

You can't get a job?

[coarse robin]

No

[tough spire]

Oh. Well that sucks, and I won't pry into your personal business.

[tough spire]

Instead I'll pry into what ModPiloCat thought I was talking about

[coarse robin]

Yeah life is life

It sucks and isn't fair

[manic rose]

rob a bank

[tough spire]

Well someday you'll get to shoot stuff with us. I believe in you buddy!

[coarse robin]

NO

[bright valley]

rob a 4U gas station

[coarse robin]

NO

[tough spire]

He ain't got no job but he's got his dignity 💪

[bright valley]

ain't got no money neither. got dam economy

[manic rose]

listen, bank robbery is the purest, most ethical form of crime, provided you do it right. the bank doesn't lose money, the customers don't lose money, the only guys that are more than mildly inconvienced is the government that has to replace the lost currency. and they tax you so fuck em.

[tough spire]

Every time I'm stuck in a bank robbery someone is always saying this but it doesn't make my day any more pleasant

[coarse robin]

Jeez

[bright valley]

george is frequently caught up in bank robberies

[manic rose]

sounds like george needs to change teams

[bright valley]

just visiting the bank to cash in a check
"EVERYONE GET DOWN"
"aww beans not again"

holding doors closed is their civic duty

can't just make a career change like that

[tough spire]

It's the price we pay to be American.

In all seriousness I'm a millenial, I only use the ATM and online banking. What is this, the 80's?

[wispy basalt]

Cash was still commonly used up until the really early 2000s

[wispy burrow]

It’s like impossible to rob a bank the security measures they take is unreal

also everything is digital now

Hackers are the new bank robbers

and the good thing is they can do it chilling at home, no one gets harmed

[earnest python]

I use cash almost exclusively

[soft narwhal]

I have like 120$ in my wallet

Never really go to an ATM and I like having cash on hand for when I go to Mexico a town over or I'm at a restaurant

[wispy basalt]

It's still useful to hold some cash in your pockets....in case you want to have money during overdraft days.

[earnest python]

For me its really a money management thing, I deal with it a lot better when i can actually hold it rather than just see a number on a screen

[soft narwhal]

Overdraft?

Just don't spend what you don't have

[earnest python]

Overdrawing your account to pay for something

[soft narwhal]

[tough spire]

Yeah I keep a hundo cash in my wallet for emergencies but that's it. Everything else is immediately deposited or throw at a McD's depending on how much. lol

[earnest python]

Landlord don't care if i don't really have it lmfao

[wispy basalt]

Sometimes emergencies happen and not everyone can save a lot.

[soft narwhal]

I've never lived at a place where they just do that to make you go under. I typically have to submit the payment manually and authorize it myself. Even if I have payment method saved

My bank doesn't allow overdrafts

[wispy burrow]

why do these suspects sound like I just lit them on fire when they get shot like bro you’re supposed to be in shock

[tough spire]

USBank you have to manually opt out of overdraft which is so silly.

[wispy basalt]

I miss the old breathing and snorting sound effect

It made me giggle

[earnest python]

My bank charges me $35 if i go over by a penny and i have no idea how to turn it off

[wispy burrow]

Autopay?

[wispy basalt]

It can be useful though being able to pay your bills beyond your actual income for 35$ fee

When things aren't going your way

Meanwhile you have cash in your pocket for next payday

[hallow shore]

Hey does anybody have any resources on how to use the Replay Editor in this game?

I've seen some cool cinematics made with it, but I don't understand how to use it. It doesn't feel as intuitive as Sifu's Replay Editor.

[earnest python]

Its gotten me through some tough times

Draw some gas money out, overdraw my account to pay a bill, pay it all back when i get my paycheck

[manic rose]

35$ per transaction, which they may not even pay.

[tough spire]

Ugh friend drama. Should I go hit my head against a RoN challenge relentlessly until I'm distracted or just give up on the day and go to bed

[wispy burrow]

My cpu is going to be melted cuz of this game.. worth it

[ebon trench]

why in tf is there a trap on the border map

[vale tangle]

what is the consensus on the most difficult mission to s tier? (I’ve completed all of them, excluding nightclub, farm, hospital and port) So far the most trouble i’ve had were on the postal depot and the hotel with the senators family.

[craggy yew]

Do you guys think Gerard Scott is homophobic?

[mighty elbow]

possibly

[craggy yew]

Okay I think my dad is actually Gerard Scott

[mighty elbow]

oh dayum how?

[craggy yew]

He dislikes the government

[mighty elbow]

does he wear a homemade ghillie suit

[wise smelt]

If I want to join a specific US server, how do I do that?? I only see a "FIND PUBLIC GAME"

[craggy yew]

No homemade ghillie suit yet

[mighty elbow]

i distrust the government and i'm trans

[craggy yew]

Gerard Scott (my dad) wouldn’t like you

[mighty elbow]

damn

i understand i'm probably pretty annoying

[craggy yew]

Trans people are the U.S.I.A to him

[vale tangle]

bro put it in ready or not terms 💀

[craggy yew]

He’s gonna be surprised when D platoon raids his house (me coming out as bi)

[mighty elbow]

lol

good luck and why does he dislike lgbtq eople?

[craggy yew]

Believes their mentally ill

[tough spire]

Wtf are you talking about, is this really in the game?

[craggy yew]

Both

Yes Gerard Scott confirmed homophobic and my father

[prime wing]

Im gonna ask you to stop the conversation right there

[craggy yew]

I’m sorry for slandering Gerard Scott

[mighty elbow]

i mean mentally ill doesn't mean your insane it covers a wide degree but hating them when you think there mentally ill is hating on mentally ill people so even if i try to play devils advocate hes still an ass

[craggy yew]

Curse you Gerard Scott

[mighty elbow]

how can we help or make him more understanding about lgbtq+ people any ideas?

[warm stag]

Can yall take political stuff to DMs?

Also wrong chat

[craggy yew]

No this is about crazy Gerard Scott

[mighty elbow]

ok sry

[craggy yew]

Do you guys think D platoon does the cupid shuffle at weddings?

[tough spire]

It's not even political this dude is just being gross.

[craggy yew]

Do you guys think d platoon makes TikToks for the LSPD’s official tiktok page?

[frail quartz]

Yeah, they just hire egirls to try and convince people to join

[mighty elbow]

smart

[mighty elbow]

?

[craggy yew]

Does this mean there’s at least one e girl in the LSPD at any time?

[frail quartz]

Yeah they have a dedicated social media department to constantly produce tiktoks

[craggy yew]

I feel like if you Rick rolled Judge his programming would malfunction and he’d just flat out kill you

Who’s winning D Platoon or one wendigo?

[frail quartz]

If they're downed by two stab wounds what makes us think they can handle the claws of a monstrosity against nature?

[craggy yew]

Grenade spam

Bean bag shotgun

[bright valley]

the mental picture i just got of a wendigo keeling over from a beanbag to the gut

[craggy yew]

5 man beanbag shotgun firing squad

And or buckshot if it gets serious

My money is on d platoon

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon goes to Waffle House to join in the fighting?

[zinc echo]

Heya

[craggy yew]

Wassup

[zinc echo]

I was wondering if the devs had answered whether or not a sniper system was in the works

[shy tulip]

Snipers were something they wanted to do, but by the end of dev they found that the maps just did not fit snipers reliably. Especially with how cqb maps are

[earnest phoenix]

me

[zinc echo]

Fair

I do hope they add more sightline-heavy maps

[shy tulip]

I don't see it happening with how the AI are built, players hate how they will try to shoot you through walls after you disappear as is

[tough spire]

How come when the friendly AI shoots a civvie we don't get to retaliate like they do to us

[zinc echo]

I like how rough the AI is personally

Really builds the stress-heavy aura of "you could die anytime"

[halcyon mountain]

I enjoy the challenge of smart AI but getting tracked and beamed through the crack of a door hinge at night or through walls is lame af

[tough spire]

You can avoid that

[zinc echo]

I was about to say that I understand why some people don't like it

[halcyon mountain]

How to avoid getting tracked through walls?

[tough spire]

Be less noisy

Easier said than done sometimes, but it's very doable

[zinc echo]

I wear full steel armor, I expect that kinda thing to happen

[halcyon mountain]

Noise and light discipline aside… perfect tracking through a wall ???

[zinc echo]

have you ever played siege?

[tough spire]

It's really not

[halcyon mountain]

I did early on

[zinc echo]

Siege feels the same sometimes lmao

[wispy burrow]

Snipers in ides of march would be cool even though it’s already hard as fuck it would be a fitting map for snipers

[mighty elbow]

i make the fight happen then i hide and watch it unfold

[tough spire]

Snipers would def have to be a "sometimes" thing

[iron star]

During firefights they will track you if you shoot.

There is no suppresion while firing at the ai, unlike when they fire at you.

[wispy burrow]

is ready or not going to have more missions and maps in the future or is this it? Do we have to rely on mods for further missions and maps?

[iron star]

Hell the ai track you on occasion when switching to your secundary, not moving at all of they saw you through geometry they shouldn't see through and so on.

[tough spire]

It's extremely rare that they see you where you cannot reasonably be seen.

[wispy burrow]

on one hand I hate how the AI beams the fuck out of you but on the other hand if they were nerfed the game would be boring

I believe it should be based on difficulty

[tawny scroll]

i just closed my pc

[tough spire]

I do think they're too consistently accurate. Although they're not aimbots

[iron star]

Very well:

• Most doors in Brisa
• Any height difference where the ai is lower than you
• The tunnel in lab (doorway)
• Most props that are shoot through
• Several walls in Relapse
• Brisa right side wood wall

[tawny scroll]

i was solo running clemente 5 times in a row

[iron star]

Then please explain to me how swat 4 wasn't boring with an ai that was often much less cracked.

[tough spire]

-No?
-No?
-No?
-No?
-Unsure about that one
-No?

[wispy burrow]

It’s kind of reasonable for ides of march because they are war veterans tbh that was the only map I was annoyed of the beaming

[tawny scroll]

i was down to the last suspect in the last two runs and i got one shotted even though i open fired first and i was on full auto

[wispy burrow]

I don’t know I never played swat 4

[iron star]

Bs.

[tawny scroll]

dude i had one that tanked two full mags from my mp5 and he was just wearing a shirt 😭😭😭

[wispy burrow]

Hate when that happens

[tawny scroll]

0<

[tough spire]

I've only seen a few spots in this game at all where it was unreasonably to be seen. And even then, there's times where they can't see us when they should be able to

[wispy burrow]

I usually get one shot from the back that’s even more annoying at least you stood a chance

[iron star]

Swat 4 ai is much more reactable but in exchange has some missions with STRICT RoE, suspect ai is also smarter and tends to know their points of domination and flee "with friends", additionally unlike RoN, you cannot relly on enemy models to know suspect from civvie on some maps

[wispy burrow]

I do hope they make it so we can get the job done sneakily that would be so fun

Crouching behind and knocking suspects out

[tough spire]

That's 80% of how I play is stealthy.

[iron star]

In the end the main issue with RoN ai outside of occasionally beaming which is a whatever, is they are extremely predictable

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽 TOC HE CHEATIN
TOC: nuh uh skeel ishew

[wispy burrow]

That’s pretty cool

[wispy burrow]

the game is fairly new I hope they change it up in the next few years

[iron star]

I'm not saying they should all surrender more, obviusly not, but more hiding, more regrouping and hiding in the corners of rooms, more difference between them, fleeing and hiding instead of super agressive flanks, having weapon malfunctions extremely rarely, surrendering if they see no escape and their friends are dead (or not)

[wispy burrow]

official release was like a month ago right

[wispy burrow]

They do hide in rooms by the way

one of them did at least in my play through of ides of march

[tough spire]

They do a lot of those behaviors more if you give the the time and space to do it. If you're constantly just murdering them on entry and moving on they don't have a lot of variety. What they need is more pre-engagement behaviors

[wispy burrow]

the hostage was kneeling in the bathroom and the suspect was out of field of view of the door waiting for me to cuff her

[iron star]

This game has been in development for about 4 years.

I have been here since 2021. And sure we had improvements, but 1.0 is not in a release state.

[iron star]

Sadly the way the game forces you to play, Swat 4 suspects also moved while stunned unlike ron which helps the situation

[wispy burrow]

The only issue I have with AI is their godly reaction time

Spent a millisecond processing everything and started beaming the fuck out of me

[iron star]

They rarely do and never to a point of domination most just dissapear to take a big flank, most cases of suspects under beds are spawned on map load.

Civvies hiding under tables, cool
I haven't seen a single suspect scrumble to hide since Adam

[tough spire]

I've seen someone crawl under the bed to hide from me, in front of me

I just about died laughing

[iron star]

Good old Adam classic

[tough spire]

That was this patch

[potent wadi]

Can you shoot at armed suspect immediatly for not complying?

[native rune]

No

Or rather noncompliance is not the decider in the game for a reasonable shoot, it’s the suspect’s gun stance

[potent wadi]

When do I start shooting at the suspect?

[iron star]

Odd, it was common back in Adam for Brisa pool table to attract many suspects who'd just stack on top of each other under it

Quite funny

[potent wadi]

when they point their gun at me?

[native rune]

When the gun is up in an aiming posture

[iron star]

Depends on RoE, some missions with loose RoE will allow it, others require the suspect to actually aim at you.

[native rune]

So long as the gun is up and aiming, the suspect can be shot, so wall-bangs or long range shots are on the table in that scenario

[potent wadi]

By the time they raise their gun, I'm already dead. 💀

[tough spire]

You have like a fraction of a second for rock and roll

[iron star]

That's an issue with the game wanting to be swat 4 but harder

Sure swat 4 may have been too easy outside of certain 2 syndicate missions, but come on

We can't both have strict roe and suspects break their bone rig going from stun to shoot like that

Altho atleast we don't have RoE as strict as swat 4 about suspects fleeing, even if it'd be realistic for some scenarios

[upper raven]

what the fuck is up with this shitty fucking AI

you tell your inbred swat team to fall in, and he fucks off into the line of fire to zip up a bag???

then on top of that, you tell the surrendered suspects to move towards you and they sit there doing fuck all

[iron star]

Game is in a release state moment

[wispy burrow]

Natural selection

[native rune]

My favorite is when I order my team to stack up on a door or clear it, and they ditch me to circumnavigate the globe on their own if I don’t recall them

[broken haven]

that is the best way to name the swat team in the game, ive been stuck on 1 map for like 9 hours because the shitty ai keeps getting in the way and blocking me or i just get instantly killed from an enemy

[upper raven]

and which one of the devs decided to not let you see through windows, but allow the AI to???????????????

[wispy burrow]

what mission are you on I want to confirm my guess

[dim cliff]

Loooool

[upper raven]

greased palms

its been 4 days now, stuck on A+ cause my shit officers keep gettign wallbanged at the end

[broken haven]

one enemy just took out my entire fucking team

[dim cliff]

BTW did they remove the Benelli m4

[wispy burrow]

lolll someone did that with a LMG on my squad in ides of march

[broken haven]

im on that shit map and have been on it since 1am and its 5pm

[wispy burrow]

4 days is wild

[iron star]

Greased palms my beloved
S tier it and I'm never going to deal with the FISA cool dude with 3000 years of FISA Gunfu training

Relapse is another map I refuse to do with friendly ai

[wispy burrow]

HAHA I feel you man

[upper raven]

ides of march wasnt so bad for me. Greased palms is fucking ridiculous in that theres so many obscure cracks and angles i nthe warehouse where you cant see shit but the AI catches 1 glimpse of you and snaps his fucking head around like the little girl in the exorcist

[broken haven]

its either the ai team that sells me or the fact that every second fucking door has a trap on it

[bright valley]

There's still the M1014

[dim cliff]

I'm still on that rn been couple days

[wispy burrow]

after losing like 10 times I stopped seeing traps for some reason

make sure you peak before opening

[iron star]

I gave up and just went "gas the entire packaging room", worked quite well, you just won't have handhelds for the rest of the map

[dim cliff]

Oh right so it got a rename

[wispy burrow]

Honestly bro best advice I can give you is fuck your squad send them in and let them handle it

[terse merlin]

its that or M4 Super 90

[upper raven]

how do you gas the warehouse, its fucking massive

[iron star]

A lot of handhelds and launchers

[wispy burrow]

Haven’t gotten there yet but sounds like a good time

[iron star]

Can leave the side by the wall to be cleared by blue team on command (pray it works)

[dim cliff]

Loool sound advice I also got the achievement kill me command 😅🤣

[wispy burrow]

flashbang better

[iron star]

RoN is campaign is the least frustrating if you play it like door kickers.

You let the ai aim while you sit back

[dim cliff]

Flash never works for me it's like animation cancels it or something

[broken haven]

its not even the traps anymore its the fact that every enemy has silence 100 and is trained by fucking john wick; they come out of nowhere and instantly take your head off

[iron star]

John Fisa on his way to headshot friendly ai from 80m away

3000 years of FISA gunfu really are something else

[wispy burrow]

LOL yeah their aim is fucking nuts it took me 20 tries and an act of god to finish that mission it was a pain in the ass

[upper raven]

you cant rely on the AI i ngreased palms, because the warehouse is way too long. they can shoot you across the warehouse and your AI cant return fire effectively

[iron star]

Suppression doesn't work against ai either, it simply encourages them to blind fire over peak firing

[upper raven]

they dont get into position to shoot, while the suspects look for the cracks to shoot you through, your team just fires at the walls and wastes their ammo

[iron star]

That's why I split and had the ai ready to breach the smaller wall area while I gased and picked off from the side entrance with the other team

[wispy burrow]

so suppressors are fucking useless wtf

[earnest phoenix]

its even worse when youre using less lethals theyll just fire pepperballs at thr wall

[upper raven]

im not following

theres an entire back end of the warehouse where they shoot you from

[iron star]

Suppresors prevent the ai from swarming you, they do work and make maps easier or harder, sometimes the ai just decides to single file charge you through a fatal funnel because someone discharged the funny freedom rounds with no form of suppresion

[prime wing]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

theres a community document to explain some of the concepts better with some data behind it and what is still uknown about mechanics/ cool nerd stuff

[iron star]

The place you gas, along with the overhangs

[wispy burrow]

oh I see

ngl it would be cool if we could pick up and use enemy weapons but I think that would like ruin the evidence

[upper raven]

by the time the gas wears off, you cant get there though

whats the point

[iron star]

Keep em busy and trigger them

It allows you to clear middle and has them agressive which means they are very unlikely to NOT wait behind the pallet

[wispy burrow]

when in doubt gas them out - Hitler probably

[iron star]

That pallet has ended too many runs

[upper raven]

seems like more of this game is rng suspect spawns as opposed to actual skill

[iron star]

It's adapting to the situation and knowing spots to always use handhelds onto, like the pallets or overhang

[upper raven]

mod chat warning'd me, fuck you mod fix your shit game

[dim cliff]

I started out sympathizing with the "left behind" on ides of March now I'm going around with a Benelli m4 taking their other leg to

[iron star]

Ides March really changes people

Like relapse

[wispy burrow]

hell yeah brother

[iron star]

Relapse is the map that made me stop caring about enemy or friendly ai deciding to end the life of a non-suspect

Enemy ai takes a hostage? Your friendly terminator ai doesn't even hesitate

[wispy burrow]

I killed civilians in ides of march with wall bang that’s how desperate I became

[native rune]

Imagine shotgunning off their prosthetic leg being a way to take them less-lethal

[dim cliff]

Revoking privLEGes

[upper raven]

https://tenor.com/view/exorcist-horror-gif-13240769

[iron star]

It's cod time

[upper raven]

when the AI spots your foot 40 meters away

[wispy burrow]

I’m pretty sure there is a gore mod that lets you shoot limbs and heads off with the shotgun

[iron star]

yep

[wispy burrow]

In 0.1 millisecond

[dim cliff]

Yeah shooting above knees so no chance of prosthetic

[terse merlin]

ah yes, major artery

[wispy burrow]

I wonder if they take damage if you shoot the prosthetic

[dim cliff]

It's in 1.0 already no longer need mods for that I could possibly send a clip that I took

[wispy burrow]

oh I don’t use shotguns I didn’t notice

[iron star]

The mod is to have it on freedom rounds outside of shotguns

[wispy burrow]

I think I did see a headless body once though without the mod

[daring lily]

yeah the shotguns are brutal

[iron star]

Surprised VOID didn't think about doing a horde game, their gore work is great

[terse merlin]

delete head (and still cuff them for the points)

[wispy burrow]

shouldn’t JHC technically blow someone’s brains out?

[dim cliff]

I only started using shotgun because of this map

[iron star]

Probably

[wispy burrow]

I remember Hank shooting that Salamanca’s head in breaking bad there was just a huge hole in his head

I think that was a hollow point he used

[upper raven]

@cerulean notch which one of you mfs decided to let suspects see through windows but not players.. we need answers

[iron star]

👀

[wispy burrow]

Chill out you’re gonna get banned or something

[upper raven]

idgaf as far as im concerned theyve stolen my money already. call a spade a spade, if theres an issue it needs to be brought up

[dim cliff]

I know it's been awhile since mentioned but I came across a trap and reminded me of the convo. Using c2 (not on command) and staying well back (which I think the AI should do) is a faster way of going through doors that could be trapped

Also can shoot the trap from a distance

[wispy burrow]

yeah too time consuming I personally prefer breach shotgun

[iron star]

You can also wallbang traps if you really wanna go fast

Just don't order friendly ai to stack up

[wispy burrow]

yes wallbang is fun

that’s what I did in ides of march

[iron star]

"Oh look free c2"

[wispy burrow]

when are they adding grenades I don’t care about civilian casualties I want to blow shit up

ohhh they should also really copy r6 with the wall destroying stuff

[dim cliff]

I use both could never be too over the top

If the place is not on fire you didn't do your job properly

[wispy burrow]

💯💯💯

Molotovs and grenades would make a great addition to the game

smoke grenades too

Smoke grenades would probably be the most reasonable thing to add

[dim cliff]

Yeah can we have a rouge cop addition as you play as a rouge cop seeking justice without ROEs

[wispy burrow]

oh hell yeah that would be fun as fuck

[upper raven]

no cause the AIs are already able to see through dense smoke

great design

apparently 20/20 vision and then some is a requirement to join gangs, terrorist squads, or sus porn ring enforcers

[dim cliff]

Yeah enemy AI is a bit OP

[wispy burrow]

Yeah that’s really annoying when using the gas

I can hardly see shit and there they are beaming the fuck out of me

[dim cliff]

Has anyone else been experiencing enemy appearing from no where got a clip of one just materialise in front of me

The friendly AI is one shot and enemy is way more just tested it with M4

[upper raven]

apparently asking the devs why AIs can use windows but we cant is a 'frivolous question'

great customer support

[terse merlin]

probably need more detailed wording so it seems less of a joke question

Though the AI being able to recognise you better than you can recognise them is annoying, I agree

[limber leaf]

I would just like to make a hot take.... No one cares about the story mode, focusing on that was a bad idea because Co-op is what makes the game, suspect and civi AI is the only thing that should be worked on moving forward, because holy cow

[terse merlin]

"Are there plans to make engagements through windows and glass more fair for the player?" would be a better way to put it

[stone stump]

you seem to forget that most people don't have friends, so no - coop doesn't "make the game"

what they could do is fix the game and maybe think twice before releasing a obvious alpha game as a full game and going on a break for 3 weeks

[inland wolf]

will multiplayer S ranks ever count for achievements

[tough spire]

They already do

[inland wolf]

tell that to my 7/18 medal of valor when ive done 14/18

duo non lethal is way harder than AI

[tough spire]

😱 Oh I may be just absolutely wrong then.

[dreamy garden]

Me and him duo'd everything but relapse, Hide and seek, carriers of the vine and he has 7/18, and I have 6/18

ALL on vanilla, no mods, shaders, etc etc etc

No lethals at all

[tough spire]

Okay I assume I'm wrong, then. I thought all mine I unlocked in co-op first but I guess I must have done them solo at some point as well

[inland wolf]

it only seems to work with AI

which kind of seems busted

Ready or Not is NOT ready for release 😭

[dreamy garden]

Nowhere near it

[stone bay]

Apparently there’s an AK chambered in 7.62x51. If American gun laws weren’t as broken as this game, I’d buy one.

[broken haven]

honestly contemplating my life choices of buying this game

whos idea was it to make the AIs so fucking crazy

[stone bay]

The developers, I would assume

[terse merlin]

please refer to the hotfix notes

[broken haven]

yh i know it was the devs u goofball im asking why the AIs are so good

[south flame]

Enemy AI basically feels like they're robots, they have perfect vision seeing you through heavily tinted glass, through gas and really small gaps where you can't see them, 0 reaction time and 360 degree awareness of their surroundings

[broken haven]

really sherlock

[south flame]

They should really make them more human, or at least like friendly AI - dumb af

[stone bay]

Rude

[pine narwhal]

Hey how do I hop into a public match with a friend?

[broken haven]

im never touching this game again

cant even refund the shit fucking game because ive spent 9 hours on the one mission

[stone stump]

try it again in a few years, maybe it will be 5% better

[slender adder]

how the fuck do you spend 9 hours on a mission

[broken haven]

ides of march

[slender adder]

of course its ides

[stone stump]

also i'm sorry but what you're describing is a skill issue

[broken haven]

what im describing is you can stfu

[slender adder]

the great filter

[stone bay]

It took me somewhere inside a week to beat Greased Palms, just throwing that out there.

[slender adder]

Greased Palms is bullshit because of the map design

but ides's layout is as easy as taking a piss

[stone stump]

the ai is very much broken and their behavior is unacceptable, but still it's manageable and you can adapt to the ai. so quite literally a skill issue

[broken haven]

i mirrored the last room i had left, nothing there (traps), i breach it with the last ai teammate i had, breached the door and instantly fucking get blown up

[broken haven]

its not the ai, i killed them all, its the invisible fucking traps

[slender adder]

skill issue??? just defuse the trap

[broken haven]

it wasnt shown on the mirror u dickhead

[slender adder]

you didn't see it lol

[broken haven]

it wasnt there

[slender adder]

they don't spawn out of thin air like that

[broken haven]

i looked all around the doorframe and around the room there wasnt a trap

[stone stump]

peek a door and check it yourself

[broken haven]

i used a mirror its just as good

[stone bay]

Keep it civil no need for name calling or baiting arguments

[slender adder]

you have limited field of view with the mirror

it makes sense that you missed the trap

[broken haven]

you can still see the wire running along the door and the grenade on the doorframe using the mirror

[stone stump]

and a lot of the rooms are very dark

[broken haven]

it was next to a fucking balcony it wasnt dark at all

[slender adder]

all I can tell you is that traps are fair game and easy to figure out if you just peek the door

[ivory kiln]

brisa cove compared to greased palms and cheryessa farm isn't that bad

[stone stump]

people mentioned invisible traps, so it might be possible that's what's happened. i didn't so it sounds like a skill issue and just being mad at the game for your own mistakes

[earnest phoenix]

farm

[stone stump]

ron is all about making mistakes, too

[stone stump]

farm is easy

[ivory kiln]

with no crack yes

[stone stump]

the worst ones are greased palms and hide and seek, and maybe mindjot

[atomic trellis]

mhm

[earnest phoenix]

i very nearly finished it first time and only had the house in the back remaining so i approached it with a damaged shield that i could barely see and i got jumpscared by a teammate and shot him and got executed on spot

[atomic trellis]

farm is a pain in the ass sometimes

[stone bay]

someone gimme it

for free

[stone bay]

Until you hit an HVT in the head with a beanbag shotgun, not knowing that beanbags kill and you’ll wind up having to restart that clusterfuck of a mission.

I speak from experience

[atomic trellis]

I learned that the hard way

[stone bay]

[stone stump]

i haven't been killed there yet so as far as i'm concerned it's easy (no ai mods obviously)

[ivory kiln]

nice

[atomic trellis]

You're just skilled I guess

[stone stump]

not really, just luck

[atomic trellis]

Yeah

[stone stump]

because that's what you need in there

[atomic trellis]

I rem doing farm and somehow surviving several shots in the back while I'm restraining

steel plating and heavy armor is quite a combo

[stone stump]

i got pretty severely fucked up when i went to the watchtower, surprised i didn't die tbh

at first i couldn't even see where the shots were coming from

[atomic trellis]

Yeah that damn sniper in that tower is a pain to deal with

thank goodness she kept missing so that I could spot where the shots came from

[earnest phoenix]

is fall damage a thing for ai

i had an incap guy fall from.that tower once but cant remember if he died from that

[atomic trellis]

I dunno

I never really thought of fall damage in ready or not

[stone stump]

nuh uh, the "sniper" got legally one taped and fell down

[ivory kiln]

imagine the hilarity of suspects seeing swat come in with beanbags

[dense quest]

I threw michael from the balcony once, no fall damage

[atomic trellis]

looking at the replays of me trying to S rank some of the levels, yeah...

[dense quest]

You must've gotten super lucky

It's easily one of the hardest maps

[south flame]

@broken haven just hope that enemy AI gets updated. Idk for you but balcony part is the worst imo cuz you can't see shit while they can see you through obstacles

[broken haven]

i havent had anyone spawn on the balcony

[atomic trellis]

tbh, the only reason I suffered in greased palms is cuz my ai teammates always kill the fisa agent

[slender adder]

he complained about the traps idk if AI fixes would help

[south flame]

Ah

But tbf, in early access Ides was even worse cuz of constant flanks by enemy AI and completely wiping your AI team

At some point I jsut started leaving them at spawn until whole circle halway was clear

[stone bay]

My first runthrough of Ides, I got my whole team killed ordering a ram on a door that was trapped. That taught me to permanently assign the wand to Swan

[dense quest]

My last successful brisa cove clear was to wedge the middle room and all other rooms while clearing hallways, then clearing laundry and entering from 1201

[south flame]

I hate giving wand to friendly AI cuz of the delay between confirming for traps and enemies. It took me couple of fails when they said clear for the 1st time but room in fact wasn't clear cuz I entered before they said there's something else

[bright valley]

Wedge everything, then mirror doors and play it by ear. Almost always a solid approach if there isn't time pressure.

[slender adder]

I wonder how AI's wands work for them to act faulty like that

off the top of my head, ideally you'd have them shoot a ball of rays out of their wand, and if one of the rays hits a suspect it should count as "suspect detected"

its probably because of the maps in RoN are usually too complex

[south flame]

Yeah, you have to wait for friendly AI voiclines that took ages to know whether room is clear or not

[bright valley]

The fault is them giving the trap callout and the civ/suspect callout one after the other, but some of the "no traps" callouts are something nonspecific like "all clear"

So you get an unnatural combined voice line like "Mirroring the door... all clear... suspect spotted!"

[south flame]

Problem is that even if they change "all clear" for both things combined, I'll still wait cuz I will be skeptical if room is actually clear or not

[slender adder]

yeah you can't trust them

on a technical level I don't think they can ever work reliably without handicaps

AIs with wands I mean

[bright valley]

Yeah. Sometimes suspects just move or are legitimately not in view from the door.

All it really indicates to me if the SWAT tells me there aren't visible suspects is that I can open the door without getting shot, not necessarily that the whole room is clear

[broken haven]

in ides of march do i have to arrest 3 suspects or ??

[stone bay]

Correct

[broken haven]

so you're saying

i have to arrest 3? as in not kill the john wicks that are melting me

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[stone bay]

Correct

[broken haven]

what the actual fuck/

can you not just soft end it without arresting them?

[stone bay]

No, because it’s a main objective

[broken haven]

is it even fucking possible

[stone bay]

Lots of flashbangs, lots of gas, the ol’ one-two c2, flashbang approach on doors or a combination of those three have all worked for me.

[broken haven]

if i knew the mission was this fucking hard i wouldnt of bought the game

[brittle sable]

if you really need to, grab no crack
i know a lot of people who complain about the ai do that

[broken haven]

nah i dont wanna use mods until ive done all the mission

[brittle sable]

unrelated
has anyone ever seen the scan-peek command ever be available

[stone bay]

One thing I actually like about the SWAT AI is that they don't autopath out of a hold once the player moves a certain distance away

[brittle sable]

i quite literally do not know what it does
ive done pie and slide, both super useful
does peek just peek a door?

with what

[broken haven]

arn180

i had 4 of them tased and he got up and one shot me nice

[stone bay]

Apparently suspects will momentarily T-pose while transitioning into the surrender animation.

[broken haven]

i had one just then throw his gun at me

like full on pegged it at me

[stone bay]

That's hilarious, ngl

[viral bone]

anyone has a weird bug where rate of fire changes

like it's on auto, but after a while it shoots auto but like in slow mo

[stone bay]

You have unlocked a special ability

[viral bone]

good to know

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon has to call their kids to help them with technology

[earnest phoenix]

prescott

[stone bay]

Eli

[trim raft]

every single character you're not actively playing as

they can't even figure out the optiwand fr fr

[rotund grove]

So something weird Ive found, on the College map theres that small storage room with storage racks at the top left of the stairs at the entry way. If you get your team to go in there, they turn into moths and the shelf becomes a lightbulb. They will not leave that room, I pushed them past the storage rack so they could just run right out but nope. As soon as you tell them to leave they turn around, run into the storage rack and turn into a blob

I just left my team and cleared the rest of the map myself

[waxen grove]

anything new?

[craggy yew]

Swan is a confirmed femboy by the discord

[craggy yew]

Do you guys think d platoon has to make YouTube apology videos?

[stone bay]

No, because D Platoon gives no fucks.

[frail quartz]

"We apologize for our 8th controversy of the week; it will happen again."

[proven crag]

The usps map is just a bug mess

Cant be played without a shield

[crystal sierra]

Which sick mind created Brisa Cove? 😭 Trying like 10th time to get S rank, i legit arrested them all, just to realize 1 of suspects who was ARRESTED is dead somehow

[earnest wolf]

I think suspects and civilians can bleed out

maybe he had some wounds on him

[storm temple]

[stone bay]

Ready or not whilst listening to the cops theme is supreme

[pearl shuttle]

Nah, SWAT theme

[shadow ether]

Considering the state Los Suenos is in, hard to tell for sure

How much does D platoon get paid?

[earnest wolf]

There seem to be a lot of people who moved to Los Suenos having done no research

[shadow ether]

What kind of research do you mean?

[earnest wolf]

like Google "gang violence in Los Suenos" or "missing people per capita in Los Suenos"

[hearty parrot]

I don't think judge is a real human being

[shadow ether]

Technically speaking none of them are 🤓

[balmy reef]

if we're talking about like the perfect police dream: should someone with terribly bad judgement be killed just for having bad judgement? lots of what humans consider "evil" and "deserving of death" is just unchecked mental illness

these people need help, not death

[shadow ether]

And people around them?

[livid notch]

Squadmates: <gets crippling depression after taking down two ultra-aggresive methheads threatening the life operators and civilians>
Judge: <sleeps like a baby after solo entry in Port Hokan after ignoring even the Suggestions of Engagement>

[stone bay]

around 6 shillings per month

[hearty parrot]

Judge could commit mass atrocities and d-platoon could be in shambles he'd still be alright

[stone bay]

judge is already dead inside

[shadow ether]

One for each dude on the squad and one for toc?

[stone bay]

1 shilling per squad mate and judge gets two shillings

[shadow ether]

toc works for free

[stone bay]

toc probably hates his job anyway its okay

[shadow ether]

— hey toc we killed a suspect
— audibly hesitates before responding

He's like "D platoon killed an armed methhead, this can't be good for the economy"

[onyx axle]

What's up with the subtitles? TOC said "don't agitate the situation further" but the subtitles said "don't hesitate to take the situation further"

those are VERY different messages

[livid notch]

seems like speech-to-text was used, instead of manual inputs

[onyx axle]

There's so many inconsistencies in the subtitles

[livid notch]

which is very half-assed

[onyx axle]

seriously? that's poor as hell

[livid notch]

TEMS is sometimes like Thames

[onyx axle]

I rely on subtitles in media because I've got very severe hearing loss specifically in the vocal ranges, this is the first game I've encountered that hasn't manually put in subtitles

I thought it was maybe some translation error or something

to be fair they're on point in most cases, but that's still poor

[earnest wolf]

Is there a way to see your best ranks in all the missions?

My current method is to look at which tattoos I've unlocked

[dense quest]

Absolutely it's so lazy, there aren't even that many voice lines in the game

I love this game so much but some things and decisions void made baffles me

[onyx axle]

I don't want to be mean but not putting in proper subtitles really feels like a let down

its not game breaking like, I'm not going to start hurling "literally unplayable fix it >:((((((((("

but it is inconvenient when its wrong

[dense quest]

It's not mean it's valid criticism

Nothing wrong with criticizing something you pay for

[livid notch]

there are a lot of scratches on glass

still I'm having great fun solo or with my pals

but... many things require polishing

[dense quest]

Yup

There's endless potential for this game that I hope they capture

[stone bay]

what's the most disturbing mission in the game and why?

[stone bay]

for me it's hide and seek. the auction room is terrifying asf. also the container full of women you can find near the trucks.

[livid notch]

in auction house there are laptops which shows some masked face, but as soon as you look at the monitor, it goes offline

[stone bay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/901267551819014164/1128862320081252383/togif.gif

woops

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[livid notch]

but more creppy is lethal obsesion (ridgeline) - the whole setting, tripwires everywhere, main suspect, it all gives me a creeps

[stone bay]

people say ends of the earth is worse

why's that?

[livid notch]

it's not creepy, it's just sad

[stone bay]

but why? i only saw the gun bench

[livid notch]

like... you are going to ask yourself a question "I've done my job, but at what cost?"

[stone bay]

well what happens?

[normal patrol]

I just solo'd it 25v1 😛

[stone bay]

left behind mfs trying not to set a tripwire behind every goddamn door

[livid notch]

you have old woman, mother of 4 sons, dying from cancer. Their sons to make ends meet and pay for treatment are manufacturing guns in the attic. And it seems that they were ratted by father

[stone bay]

oh damn~

[umbral oar]

bro did not read the briefing

[stone bay]

hence the depressing soundtrack?

[livid notch]

aaand considering the amount of cash for treatment (you can check this at the evidence locker) - seems like there was no other way around

[dense quest]

At least I went LTL with my whole team when I read the briefing, couldn't bring myself to kill anyone there

[normal patrol]

I need that meme with the guy in full armor saying he dont know why he exists but he knows hes here to kill 😛

[dense quest]

I never play LTL btw except that mission

[livid notch]

well, I wasn't that lucky on some runs for this missions

soooo esentially you gave a woman death sentence by apperhanding their sons 🙂

[dense quest]

You can go shield and let your team handle them with beanbags

[livid notch]

it's almost Spec Ops The Line level of sadness

[earnest wolf]

lol

[stone bay]

void interactive if making bad games was a class:

[normal patrol]

Elephant is the hardest on my mind. But also whenever there are barrels of K*ds involved

[earnest wolf]

Yeah Voll's basement is about the worst thing I've seen so far

[stone bay]

i usually like to arrest everyone, bring amos and daniella to the DJ booth, bring everyone else in front of it, and execute them

[normal patrol]

they got a 10mil mansion.. and they doin this..

[normal patrol]

✊

[livid notch]

when I first went to the basement it was like... "wtf is this shit"

[stone bay]

sins of the father is kinda sad though

just the slow national anthem and stuff

[true panther]

All of the maps are awesome CQB environments but I feel like you get the hang of any given map pretty quick, the best runs are the first ones where you're going in blind. We really need new maps or to bring back mission types IMO

[livid notch]

if you have all the money, you strive for more, because luxury is not fun anymore

[onyx axle]

there's always mods

[stone bay]

Exceedingly based idea, I will now be stealing it.

[normal patrol]

I tracked down some RoE mods after that and went back.. I went back to all the places having to do with CP and I .. well.. took care of them all

I dont want the devs to shy away from these subjects but I dont want anyone asking me why I turned off my body cam either..

[livid notch]

a man of culture

[normal patrol]

Yeh :/

[stone bay]

how to beat any mission with CP:

1. turn on infinite ammo and invincibility cheat

2. bring all the civilians to one side of a big room and all the suspects to the other side

3. mow down all the suspects while the civs watch in horror

4. profit

[normal patrol]

I bring a super nova and a battering ram

[livid notch]

so that's what I like about RoN - about the setting and story telling VOID is not shitting around and treats like a adult

[normal patrol]

no flash no smoke, everyone gets the grinder

[normal patrol]

[stone bay]

when people say "non-lethal" do they mean that there will be no killing whatsoever during the mission?

[stone bay]

yeah, they don't sugarcoat it

[onyx axle]

Personally the nightclub map was the one that got me

[stone bay]

yes

[onyx axle]

just seeing so many bodies piled up with ringing phones

[stone bay]

the phones ringing, i swear

[pallid zephyr]

no

[earnest wolf]

it's usually picking the less lethal weapons like the beanbag or pepper ball and trying to arrest suspects rather than kill

[onyx axle]

the entire time you're casing the map too you can just hear the faint buzz

[earnest wolf]

if you want the top rating you can't incapacitate any suspects

[normal patrol]

no suspects deserves to live in this game

[stone bay]

so then basically trying to go for an S rank?

[normal patrol]

you break the law, you bear arms, you get got

[livid notch]

ends of the worlds are kind of exception

[stone bay]

once i was playing elephant and i walked in on one of the suspects shooting a student in the head

[earnest wolf]

Yeah a lot of people going less lethal will be trying for S, but not neccessarily

[stone bay]

needless to say i emptied about 4,000 rounds into his torso

[normal patrol]

Those guys selling guns and drugs are killing more people to save one old lady

[onyx axle]

TOC had the nerve to tell me to keep it under control

[normal patrol]

shooting at me.. I save tons of lives..

[stone bay]

could be for practicing for S rank i guess(and not going for S rank). Thanks for the info

[livid notch]

seems like it was worth for them

[stone bay]

THERE ARE LIVES ON THE LINE, WATCH IT

[normal patrol]

I just assume TOC means me and mine lives

Im like yeah.. that was close..

[stone bay]

totally on crack

[onyx axle]

TOC pisses me off sometimes

[stone bay]

kills every single civilian and ends mission

TOC: copy that, put it on safe and let him hang. great job.

[normal patrol]

we very much need a Terry Hunt mode or abilities to various RoE

[livid notch]

considering how many times TOC got stroke from seeing and hearing shit operators doing, he's still pretty chill i guess

[livid notch]

i think the sandbox mod would be nice

when you set the mutators, mission conditions, how strict RoEs are, etc.

[normal patrol]

most games need that 😦

[stone bay]

i hate when people host multiplayer games but ban certain items

[stone bay]

Don’t forget this one https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3234

NO MIRROR GUN NO MIRROR GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[livid notch]

you guys are playing RoN with random lobby?

[stone bay]

no

[normal patrol]

I only solo

[onyx axle]

I don't have any friends that own the game ☹️

[stone bay]

public RON games have some of the most disorganized people i have ever seen

[normal patrol]

exactly I knew it

[stone bay]

i mean i'd be down

in like three hours though

[normal patrol]

I move better on my own I dont even like my swat team getting in the way

[livid notch]

that's why there is no way to play RoN with randoms - I play Deep Rock Galactic also and even in this pretty casual game you can met guys who has no fuckin clue what to do

[ivory kiln]

Same

Maybe we can play

[stone bay]

my entire team getting mowed down by a meth head because fucking eli wouldn't move out of the fucking doorway

[normal patrol]

lmao

[onyx axle]

nah I prefer LAN party style games, my PC is in my main room which I share so I can't really VC during the day

[foggy zinc]

getting blocked by the AI is so real

[stone bay]

then when you ask them to move they just refuse

[livid notch]

they are still smarter than lot of other players i guess xD

[normal patrol]

I totally appreciate both playstyles though. The SWAT ai is fairly competent. but then I started trying to RnG and found theres a few solid way to skin the same cat

[stone bay]

well the AI doesn't stop to take a piss or get a drink mid-shootout

[ivory kiln]

guys does your game crash

[normal patrol]

🤣

[onyx axle]

reminder that this clip exists #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[stone bay]

when does it crash?

[normal patrol]

once in a blue

[ivory kiln]

Right now

[stone bay]

but like, as soon as you start the game? after a mission? in the intermission?

[ivory kiln]

It also happened a 2-3 times a few days ago

[ivory kiln]

I was trying to find a public game and it crashed

[stone bay]

well that's your first mistake

[ivory kiln]

Hmmm?

[stone bay]

public lobbies lmao

[ivory kiln]

Well i wanna play with real people

[stone bay]

#🔎looking-for-players is where you should go then, plenty of people looking for teammates

[ivory kiln]

Ok then

[stone bay]

i don't recommend public games, they have almost zero organization, and there's very little you can do to communicate with your team

[ivory kiln]

Tbf the few times i played with randoms everything went well

[stone bay]

well maybe you're lucky

[ivory kiln]

Yeh

[livid notch]

like really lucky

[ivory kiln]

Btw what's your favorite mission

[stone bay]

in terms of gameplay?

i would have to say either elephant or twisted nerve

[ivory kiln]

Well lorewise designwise

[livid notch]

Gameplay-wise

1. Meth House
2. 23 Megabytes per second
3. The Spider

[ivory kiln]

For me it's neon tomb

[stone bay]

valley of the dolls tbh

i know it sounds wrong, but it's my favorite mission

[ivory kiln]

Nice

[livid notch]

Lore-wise:

1. Valley of Dolls
2. Ends of the world
3. Port Hokan

[ivory kiln]

Idk why but i'm really interested in the hand faction

[stone bay]

the hand shot up the club, then went to the hospital and shot all the survivors

[ivory kiln]

I just wanna kill em all

[stone bay]

they're a little yucky

[ivory kiln]

That's why i like neon tomb

Killing terrorists in a nightclub

[stone bay]

i always kill every single suspect i see in neon tomb

doesn't matter if they surrender

[livid notch]

no no no, it is expected to follow strict RoE with terrorist who've already killed hundreds innocent people, so grab you beanbag shoty and tear gas 😄 😄 😄

[stone bay]

yeah, you're not allowed to use your gun

we just gave it to you so you look scary :)

[ivory kiln]

No mercy for terrorists says otherwise

[normal patrol]

[livid notch]

in case of active shooter scenario actual RoE are quite loose 🙂

[foggy zinc]

i think everyone deserves mercy

• TOC

[stone bay]

i hate TOC sometimes

[livid notch]

"it's God's job to forgive, mine is to send them to him"

[ivory kiln]

Toc be yellin after i kill some terrorists

[stone bay]

tbh the reaction time of the AI is inhuman

[normal patrol]

I like making her watch

[foggy zinc]

"There's no room for bravado like that. Maintain your ROE!"

[normal patrol]

un oh TOC i did it again

uh oh TOC my bravado!

[stone bay]

me forcing janey to watch me kill her parents five feet away from her

[livid notch]

100ms in high ready, and there was a guy here who tried to imply that this legit and possible 😄

[stone bay]

i'm sowwy TOC 🥺

i had a bwain fawt

[normal patrol]

🤣

[stone bay]

i can't help it i'm a scorpio 🥺🥺🥺

[normal patrol]

lmfao wtf

[livid notch]

soo seems like LSPD SWAT is like glorified vigilanties

[stone bay]

i've been a bad operator. please don't punish me TOC~

[normal patrol]

I love when she really gets mad lol like wats she gonna do?.

[stone bay]

TOC-daddy 🤤🤤🤤🥰🥰🥰

[normal patrol]

lol maybe.. but also.. hard ish like she dont hear these people yelling and crying for help as active shooters blow them away?

TOC, you dont hear them screaming for help?.

[stone bay]

if you've seen any school shooter footage they send in like entire units, not four dudes with SMGs

[normal patrol]

I know its kinda redonk that I face 25 active shooters as a lone gunman

I have max pop mod

[ivory kiln]

in a school shooting swat likely wouldn't be first responders

[stone bay]

i was playing solo brixley talent time and they had three swat vans and three police cars around the building

[ivory kiln]

they send in any cops close to the area

[stone bay]

they sent in one guy

[normal patrol]

lol

they should just add a lot more dead cops and other failed attempts

to most maps

[stone bay]

imagine if you had to report and restrain every body in neon tomb

[ivory kiln]

my man judge is a killing machine

[stone bay]

DOWN ON YOUR GODDAMN KNEES, NOW!

[normal patrol]

Ive had him freeze up on me a few times. If I rng and string too many kills Judge starts to lose it

[stone bay]

i use atlas lol, i like his voice lines

[ivory kiln]

is he ex delta force?

cuz damn he gets shot in the limbs 20 times kills 15 terrorists sees a basement full of cp and he's ok with all of it

[normal patrol]

I like how some of the team will comment on some of that stuff

was a few times I didnt know what was going on only to have them say whats in the barrels midmission.,..

20+ years of raids and fps make it hard to lock onto scenes stories and characters.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/034/029/KV7wf9g7.jpg im this guy, but after 20 yrs

[onyx axle]

my favourite is going into one of the nonce rooms and one of the team goes "that Voss guy is fucked up"

like yeah, no shit

[normal patrol]

time to solo more maps

[ivory kiln]

i don't really notice

they do comment on his bedroom and in spider they say something

[craggy yew]

Guys how do i issue the kill me command irl?

[normal patrol]

use the 'command' button 😉

[craggy yew]

Thank you

[hushed venture]

Is the g3a3 going to be added?

[craggy yew]

No i eated it

Hungry

[restive scaffold]

how can you play levels without having to play prior ones

[foggy zinc]

co-op

or some mod probably

[normal patrol]

i just realized that killing civis isnt auto-end but I become rogue and my swat comes after me

[foggy zinc]

only ever auto ends if you go berserk

[normal patrol]

MP solo or try Solo Practice mode

[magic yacht]

In game menu mod works if you’re looking for a mod

[normal patrol]

my 'blantant' mistakes always ended in KO

[normal patrol]

I also Dl a bunch of maps from Nexusmods

[foggy zinc]

better mantain that ROE officer

[normal patrol]

... I try.. but Mercury is in Retrograde.. and sometimes the Sun gets in my eye..

Hypothetically and for educational purposes.. what happens if I take out my own squad after I go rogue and they come after me?.

[foggy zinc]

not possibly unless you have infinite health since they instakill you

that's at least what im thinking

[normal patrol]

hmm

Best Mod maps?

[foggy zinc]

haven't played on any so cant say much

[normal patrol]

I like skytower, and medical center

[dim cliff]

I'd like there to eventually be an option to cut all power on the map like cutting circuit or power box. And it having effect on enemies like vision impacted gives up sooner

[stone bay]

That won’t be happening. The lights for each map are hardcoded.

[dim cliff]

Well that sucks

[stone bay]

Indeed it does

[plush nexus]

Is there any way to check your personal best rank on each mission, other than going to that mission and dying lol

[craggy yew]

Get a s rank so you always know your the best

[normal patrol]

[onyx axle]

Why is the police department so detailed

you only do like two things here

it could just be two whole rooms and nobody would ever know

[tough spire]

Probably to add stuff later

[shy tulip]

World building

[onyx axle]

fairs

[tough spire]

Say what you will about the developers on the whole, but their level design/decorators go hard and it's pretty great.

[onyx axle]

Oh yeah all of the levels are eye watering

mouth watering?

watering!

i think my favourite maps are between the vineyard and the port hokan

[umbral oar]

god those levels look so appetizing

[tough spire]

The amount of time and effort that would have to go into the assets and placement thereof in these maps is insane. Some more than others.

[onyx axle]

god neon tomb breaks my heart every time

[noble laurel]

Took all the ammo out of my AI's guns, let the chaos begin

[craggy yew]

Me staring at my AI swap to their emptied revolver to try and shoot a suspect through glass

[noble laurel]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

Went about as well as you'd expect

[stone bay]

Guys I am really new to the game and dont know if I am doing something wrong but sometimes the suspects just start shooting at me trough walls and object even though they have no way to see me, I tried shifting and it still didnt work, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

[onyx axle]

shifting just makes you walk slower, for a start

also the AI is just a bit cracked like that

send in your team first, get them to clear rooms

[stone bay]

But then they just start blasting at everyone even if I tell them to clear with a flashbang

Nevermind I was just pressing the wrong button the whole time

[onyx axle]

gg

[normal patrol]

i just learned about the kill me command.. 😳

[onyx axle]

Why on god's green earth if you saw four heavily armoured and armed men pointing very large armed guns that you've heard being discharged nearby, would you then pull out your phone while they're screaming get down at you

I just accidentally blasted a civ to kingdom come because instead of getting down she decided to pull out a black square (her phone) with no prior warning

[onyx axle]

I managed to get it during the tutorial lmfao, confused me to hell because it doesn't actually work in the tutorial

[plucky sage]

You going to jail

[normal patrol]

She FAFO

[onyx axle]

"But your honour, the deceased was an absolute pillock, as I am sure the jury can agree"

[normal patrol]

fafo winner

for the gram yaw

instagram.. instaregret..

[onyx axle]

"I know my rights! You're being recorded" yes ma'am and 14 bullets are flying into your pelvis because you decided to move very quickly to pull something commonly gun coloured THAT FLASHES without any warning instead of following very clear instructions to get on the fucking ground

[plucky sage]

Classic moment why I love the game

[onyx axle]

its so dumb

[craggy yew]

“TOC civilian is down in need of tems”

[plucky sage]

*correction, not in need of tems any longer

[onyx axle]

Sometimes civs or disarmed suspects will move or do the most stupid thing with a gun that fires 900 RPM pointed directly at their shoulder

[foggy zinc]

Civ casually running at full speed in Elephant with active shooters

[onyx axle]

like mate, if someone's screaming "GET ON THE GROUND" in full tac gear with a gun pointed at you, you don't then STAND UP and PULL A PHONE OUT

[onyx axle]

or this, they'll just fucking run at you???

[foggy zinc]

Seconds later: "There's no room for bravado like that. Maintain your ROE!"

[plucky sage]

People do the most stupid things when under stress, or alcohol, or drugs, or all of the aforementioned

[onyx axle]

play stupid games win stupid prizes

[plucky sage]

So, I think it's a very valid thing to include, as long as it doesn't occur too often

[normal patrol]

💯

[normal patrol]

I have relaxed RoE so idk if its part of the game or not but I can get away with a couple civ kills before killme pops up. I think its on three strikes