👮ron-discussion

[silk sail]

what about libertarians?

[dim cairn]

Alright I've sent the email

[silk junco]

huge

[frail quartz]

I was basing this off the political compass, did I miss a spot

Or did you not understand what the "lib" stood for

[mighty elbow]

tactical feminine officers lets goooooooo we need feminine male ones to though i want a femboy crossdresser/trans crossdresser police force

[silk junco]

model me in game and you got a tgirl on the force

[silk sail]

Lib-tard

[dim cairn]

We need to distract the criminals with attractive femboys

[mighty elbow]

void if you see this do it now

[silk sail]

[craggy yew]

do you think the male members of d platoon flirt and or are in a relationship with female d platoon members?

[mighty elbow]

sometimes my genius is frightening

[silk sail]

i don't see why not

[mighty elbow]

YES

[silk junco]

mm sleepy time i think

[mighty elbow]

they are called d platoon what do you think

[mighty elbow]

sry bad joke

[silk sail]

[frail quartz]

UPDATE:
Centralists: "This game shows America"

[mighty elbow]

its just the us navy

[silk sail]

im a pessimistic optimist

[dim cairn]

If Void doesn't accept my job application imma be real upset.

[mighty elbow]

they better

imma go shower and cry about not being able to feminize myself bye i love yall stay safe ❤️

[dim cairn]

❤️

[silk sail]

[dim cairn]

If I get any response at all that's written by an actual human I will genuinely be overjoyed ngl.

[silk sail]

you could spam them, eventually they'll block you 🙂

[dim cairn]

My local political parties have done that to me already, I don't need Void to.

[frail quartz]

They'll begin sliding it under John Void's front door

[silk sail]

John "i shot her in self defence" Void

[frail quartz]

John sighs in relief knowing it's finally over

The next morning, he wakes up to find an application sitting on the end of his bed

[silk sail]

cold sweats

[dim cairn]

I will not rest until Swan wears thigh highs.

[silk sail]

we will all not rest

[mighty elbow]

wdym invest?

[silk sail]

John "if it ain't thighs, then i don't need eyes" Void

[stone stump]

is it though?

[dim cairn]

Booper Scooper is typing up a storm rn

[silk sail]

he's cooking

[frail quartz]

h

You may bow.

[dim cairn]

k

[tough spire]

It's mostly lefties in chat and righties in the LFG ngl

[silk sail]

[dim cairn]

[frail quartz]

Jokes aside I remember seeing a huge rant in general a while back with all of the 'woke' and 'liberal' buzzwords so I know for certain there's plenty of those here 🤷‍♂️

[stone stump]

or maybe people tend to not bring their political beliefs into every social situation?

[shadow ether]

I wonder if there's gonna be an official bank robbery map

[frail quartz]

I was mostly hesitant on typing it out of fear of starting another argument

[tough spire]

Didn't mean to upset you my dude. Movin' on.

[silk sail]

lmao, did i say a bad word?

[dim cairn]

Automod is dreadful.

[frail quartz]

I mean, in a social commentary game like this it's kind of inevitable to be brought up

[stone stump]

why would you think you upset me?

[stone stump]

sounds like an american problem i dont have to bother with

[silk sail]

lmao, in kangaroo land we say fuck off

[frail quartz]

Be thankful

[dim cairn]

I wish politics were an American problem, there wouldn't be so many rioters and arsonists here if they were.

[stone stump]

i mean i have some weird stuff currently going on in my own country, but that's besides the point

[shadow ether]

Seriously, I can't remember if there even was a bank heist in swat 4 and there isn't one here
I wonder why that is

There was one in swat 3

[frail quartz]

They probably saw it as low hanging fruit

[tough spire]

To be fair the social commentary in RoN is a pretty weak representation of America to begin with.

[silk sail]

it was a diamond store heist, but swat got their to bag them fools

[frail quartz]

I don't blame them for wanting to avoid being too generic

[silk sail]

of course it is, its just flavor it wasn't meant to represent anything

[bright valley]

4U Gas Station is a robbery at the very least.

[brazen lava]

When they're done with the hotfixes in 10 years, they should add a feature where you can share ammo with teammates

[tough spire]

I thought it was a curb stomping.

...Oh wait, you mean before SWAT shows up?

[silk sail]

bruh

[frail quartz]

I think it gets across some of the main points like widespread violence, poverty, and government corruption

[shadow ether]

Yeah but not on the same scale, swat 4 had a gas station as well

[stone stump]

double press R

[silk sail]

more like a convenience store

[shadow ether]

Wasn't it a gas station?

[bright valley]

I'd sure hope it's not social commentary.

[brazen lava]

Can't do that for shotguns, goofy

[shadow ether]

"Have a heap of my shells sir"

[stone stump]

easy, don't use shotguns. they suck anyway

[brazen lava]

beanbag shotguns. for s rank

[tough spire]

Shotguns are love. Shotguns are joy.

[silk sail]

it was but its like, don't shoot the gas pumps if there are none

[brazen lava]

I can piggyback off my AI teammates when they're using shields since they always get themselves killed otherwise

[silk sail]

4u at least shows the pumps at the start

[shadow ether]

While very cool it's still not a heist

[silk sail]

just a stick up

[bright valley]

RoN is like grimdark in a contemporary setting. Super hyperbolic.

[silk sail]

lmao ron is set in the 40k universe

[daring lily]

The hospital mission kinda crazy I think if there were 2 bombs and terrorists in a hospital they would send like something a bit more

[shadow ether]

Ah yes M2

[silk sail]

we're in the third millenium AcTuAlLy

[stone bay]

If they can drop 40 grand on GPNVG's, they should be able to hire a lot more cops.

[shadow ether]

It wouldn't be a horror game if D platoon wasn't the only swat in the entire city

[daring lily]

Legit it's a horror game I've physically jumped at the enemies surprising me aometimes

[silk sail]

same, almost crapped meself

[daring lily]

When Ur slowly walking through a hallway and someone opens a door 1cm in front of you

[shadow ether]

Bold of you to assume it's theirs

[silk sail]

the cops in this universe are like the marines, always looking to get stuff one way or another

[shadow ether]

My headcanon is the fed bois lost them somewhere on a joint op and D platoon is just not reporting them found

[stone bay]

Good point, they probably raided the armory when the National Guard bugged out.

[silk sail]

that would be so cool if that were true, they have to "aquire" new gear by sourcing it themselves

[shadow ether]

FISA can afford six new ones, D platoon can't buy one used so no way in hell someone calls FISA to tell they found their NVGs

[silk sail]

and considering the tension between them i wouldn't be surprised if they start working against eachother

[shadow ether]

D platoon: the NVG costs more than the rest of the sergeant

[brazen lava]

why tf can suspect guns clip through my shield when i try to melee

fuck this shitty game

[shadow ether]

What kind of guns?

[brazen lava]

every fucking kind

[shadow ether]

Are you trying a melee only challenge or how tf you got that many guns in your face

[tough spire]

You're getting way close if that's happening

[daring lily]

Lol

[brazen lava]

I'm not playing this shit until the hotfixes

which will be in half a fucking century

[daring lily]

They should make it that if they go that close their gun is aimed upwards like how that happens to us

[brazen lava]

I saw someone bashing with a shield for compliance on s rank

[tough spire]

Stop challenging aggressive suspects with your shield, yo. That would never work IRL either

[brazen lava]

but it didn't work for me

[brazen lava]

I mainly use beanbag and taser

[tough spire]

They need to be stunned first or at the very least not actively fighting back

[shadow ether]

Taser with shield when

[brazen lava]

^ holy fuck, how have they not thought of that

[daring lily]

Do flashlights work for making suspects surrender

[tough spire]

It was in pre1.0

[brazen lava]

L devs

[brazen lava]

no

[tough spire]

I understand their reason for switching it. It's a bad one, but I understand it.

[bright valley]

Mechanically, RoN's melee systems seem intended to discourage getting in melee range of suspects without cover from a teammate.

[daring lily]

Even if the ai has problems try playing another tactical shooter it'll look like a mobile game fr

This is like one of the few tactical shooters that doesn't look like it's made in roblox

[tough spire]

Support Ground Branch

[daring lily]

Aw man that's exactly the game I was thinking of

[brazen lava]

yk the devs fucked up when RoN ai is more difficult than Ground Branch veteran ai

[bright valley]

One melee attack from a suspect disorients you to the point of likely death if someone doesn't stop the suspect from following through.

[tough spire]

GB Veteran is easy AF yo

[daring lily]

Ground branch Ai remind me of mobile games

[brazen lava]

like 10x more difficult

[daring lily]

The voicelines too

[brazen lava]

"ZEHYRE OVER HERE"

[tough spire]

It's also in super early access.

[brazen lava]

"get ready"

[tough spire]

But the bones are fucking solid

[daring lily]

Lol

[brazen lava]

they plan on adding a Polymer80 in the next update

[shadow ether]

What is the reason?

[brazen lava]

what kind of CIA operator uses that lmao

[daring lily]

The fact that victory is possible over these insane Ai gives me hope and drives me to continue failing at the game

[tough spire]

"We wanted more tactical options by making the taser one of the utility equipment slots"

[tough spire]

Dunno, but they have actual service consultants so I'm not gonna argue with them.

[bright valley]

Pepper spray and shield would be a hoot and a holler.

[tough spire]

Hopefully for the inevitable riot control scenario

[daring lily]

Is pepper spray meant to make them surrender or just blind them temporarily cause they never surrender when I use dat

[bright valley]

Suspect is just blindly firing at you while you're behind the shield like

[shadow ether]

Sure but can we have a taser in secondary slot
I am able to take two tasers IRL, it's stupid but I'm fully able

[tough spire]

This is why I call it a dumb decision. LOL

[brazen lava]

Or shooting dildos out of a can cannon (AR-15 upper that fires blanks and launches soda cans)

bc fuck the ai

[bright valley]

I appreciate the can cannon lore

[shadow ether]

Wouldn't an M79 be more appropriate

[tough spire]

We already have an M320

[brazen lava]

DARN BOT INTERCEPTED MY MESSAGE

the reload animation for the dild cannon would be pretty cool lol

[shadow ether]

Yeah but like
Why convert an ar15 to launch rubber dongs when you can have 40mm rubber dongs and call it a day

[brazen lava]

rack the charging handle and muzzle load a new sausage, or vice versa

[bright valley]

I honestly have no idea what role the pepper spray actually occupies in the current weapon balance.

[tough spire]

Trolling your teammates

[shadow ether]

The role of melee just out of melee range

[bright valley]

Versus stubborn civilians, maybe, but it usually gets you shot if you attempt to use it on suspects.

[tough spire]

Alright who wants to go do co-op and see how far we can get with just pepperspray

[daring lily]

It's just for funsies

[tough spire]

Stab vests, wedges and pepperspray only run?

[shadow ether]

Now I wanna test it if it gives me roe violations if I spray surrendered suspects for no reason

[bright valley]

There's a YouTube video from a year ago by the user Bres clearing 213 Park Homes with pepper spray only. Solo with no armor or mirrorgun either.

[shadow ether]

Can't pull a knife on me if you're too busy not seeing shit

[tough spire]

Pre 1.0 then?

[bright valley]

That was pre 1.0 though, and pepper spray has gotten a lot less effective. Yeah.

[tough spire]

Someone here was saying taser carts were capped to 4, is that true?

[bright valley]

Last I tried, yes.

[tough spire]

Tasers, Stab Vest, Mirror and Wedges. I would love to see how far I could take that build

[shadow ether]

No taser ninja runs now

[bright valley]

Well you'd have 8 shots.

[tough spire]

I think 8 shots is enough to be compelling

You'd have to be really particular about when you used them, don't miss, etc.

[shadow ether]

There was a meme build in SEF that I had lol
Primary taser, secondary taser, 25 carts each, no armor whatsoever, lightest load possible
Zoom around the levels tasing everyone

Not too viable on later levels but some fun was had

[bright valley]

Versus something like Ends of the Earth it sounds viable, if not needing a little luck.

[tough spire]

Another fun one would be no armor, pepperspray and CS gas only.

Oh and shield

We call it "Portland"

[bright valley]

oof

[tough spire]

I'm allowed to say that, I'm a Portlander.

[shadow ether]

Context needed

[tough spire]

During the BLM riots the fucking idiot feds dropped so much CS on our city that is poisoned our water supply and did permanent damage to its citizens.

[shadow ether]

I see, thank you

[tough spire]

Mind you, this was like, two city blocks out of the entire city that these riots were happening. That's how much CS they used.

It sparked a bunch of investigations and review and stuff.

[shadow ether]

This much CS should count as local terraforming

[tough spire]

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/24/so-much-tear-gas-has-been-sprayed-on-portland-protesters-that-officials-fear-its-polluted-the-water/
Early article on it

ANYWAY. Shield+CS Grenades+Pepperspray would probably be a fun challenge run 😂

Cloud o' smoke errywhere

[shadow ether]

How to raid criminals

Step 1: remove air

We fight crime two lungs at a time

[tough spire]

It's hard to take RoN seriously sometimes having lived through that because folks were literally blowing away the gas with handheld battery powered fans and throwing traffic cones over smoke grenades.

[balmy ivy]

https://youtu.be/wZZivDg3cpY?si=bOXzMABAWcnmoE9W

how imma react when devs finally put in the option to plant evidence on dead suspects

[bright valley]

oh hell, crouching with pepper spray is still super broken lol, i would have thought that got fixed in 1.0

[prime wing]

1.0 Moment

[tough spire]

okay finally done socializing like a functioning adult now I can go try to pepperspray only.

[tough spire]

What's this?

[frail quartz]

Wait, how would traffic cones help, don't they have holes in the top?

[tough spire]

It contains the spread

So yes, it's still spreading, but not nearly as wildly.

[bright valley]

Some weird (animation?) bug that can make your torse sink super low to the ground when pepper spray is equipped. Weirdly after finagling with swaping weapons around in my loadout it's suddenly working normally.

[tough spire]

okay I have a riot shield and pepper spray. Gas station lets gooo

[bright valley]

Returned to the headquarters and the bug is back, what the fuck lol

[tough spire]

YEAH BABY first suspect had a shotgun and I took him down with just the pepperspray

[tough spire]

Yeah I see what you're talking about. It's really jarring

rofl wow.

Yeah this blows. Once I actually got inside the station I challenged the next guy. He was blind and just blindfiring at me wildly and got me because I couldn't hide behind cover

[bright valley]

yeah, they'll cover their eyes but then continue to turn and shoot at you accurately

[tough spire]

If you tiptoe around they can't hear you and shoot where you were last

but the second I started spraying again he wipped around on me

[daring lily]

man the civilians on valley of the dolls are really killable

[bright valley]

of course the solution is moving even fucking slower again x_x

[tough spire]

You should know by now I live on my tiptoes already

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

Gonna try this

[bright valley]

i don't know how you find the patience, like i do that slow lean-walk around my corners and generally try to play cautiously, but goddamn

[tough spire]

I mean I don't lean on shift the entire time, just when I'm entering threatened territory

[bright valley]

i mean, it's kind of all threatened isn't it

[dim cairn]

Hey, just checking for a friend, what's the LSPDs policy on 0 buckshot directly to the face of a civilian?

[tough spire]

Not ideally. That's why stuff like flow control and wedging and stuff is important

[prime wing]

While it might be a weird thing at first, NOT screaming at civilians right away will save you. Its better to secure them after clearing the area because enemies will hear you literally from anywhere.

it worked for me

if i see a civ around the corner

[crude prism]

"frowned upon"

[prime wing]

Im not gonna scream

because the AI will fuck me over

[dim cairn]

aw man

[bright valley]

the trigger-happy suspects have already made not shouting immediately upon seeing people a habit of mine since, like, early access.

[tough spire]

Yeah shouting first is a mistake

[prime wing]

Theres no incentive in telling civilians to surrender early on

[bright valley]

i always see if they'll raise their gun first so my gun isn't pointing at the fucking floor by the time i need to use it

[prime wing]

they do nothing to you

[daring lily]

shouting at the door before opening it 💯

[tough spire]

ngl a full team of pepperspray and shields and tasers only would be fun AF but it's very hard solo

[crude prism]

how to get into gunfights with every person on the map 101:

[bright valley]

*how to get in RoE-sanctioned gunfights with every person on the map

[prime wing]

also kicking doors is a big nono as far as I know

at this point just dont do anything

just stand there

menacingly

[bright valley]

SOP is just fucking don't lmao

[prime wing]

leave the city

[tough spire]

Stuns if they're on the other side

[bright valley]

stay home, save lives lol

[prime wing]

level the building

[daring lily]

legit

[bright valley]

yeah, best use of the kick is usually if you try to swing a door open and it gets blocked

[crude prism]

If you're trying to get people to surrender, and they aren't already fighting at you. Don't ADS at them it literally raises their stress lmaoooooooooooo

[bright valley]

immediate follow up with a kick

[crude prism]

Shit like this is what makes the system so painful

[tough spire]

Clearing a closet? Door bounces back in your face? Kick that mutha

[dim cairn]

Imagine arresting people, take no prisoners, comrades.

[bright valley]

I noticed this when I was trying to check out the config file that dictates this kind of stuff! Honestly, someone needs to put together a guide outlining the stress/morale shit.

[daring lily]

thats nice to know considering i always aim at their head

[bright valley]

It's not all that intuitive.

[dim cairn]

RoN slogan

[prime wing]

dont you know the good ol police procedure of trusting a suspect by inviting them a drink with the rifles down 🫡 , no need to hold someone at gun point. The gun in their waist is just an illusion

[crude prism]

These guys have descriptions filled out for most of the AI behavioral things. https://ron.recursiveprojects.cloud/AI_Mod
But yeah... somebody should probably make a big fat outline of how things work.
(it's Void, the answer is Void should do it)

[tough spire]

British RoN you go up to them with batons and invite them to a calm tea chat.

[prime wing]

was it updated

[crude prism]

For the 1.0 update ye, I don't think anything has changed since the patches

[bright valley]

The idea of a VOID-created general strategy guide would actually be super rad.

[crude prism]

I don't think anything changed with the AI since 1.0, not in any of the post launch patches. Or else these guys would've hit it

[prime wing]

eventually MMMM will have to do it

[mild rune]

has anyone ever found the trapped officer in the vineyard?

[crude prism]

I still gotta make vids for ballistic stuff and get a billions views

I don't even want to try and touch the AI yet, especially when Void has said things will be changing "a bit"

[mossy hatch]

Yeah cause we stand right infront of the door, smackdab in the middle instead of being able to mule kick it (like the Ai do) or at least kick it more from the side

[frail quartz]

Suspects when you aim a gun at them: 😐
Suspects when you im a gun at them (but you're looking down the sight as well):

[crude prism]

It's really weird, because it also doesn't have a morale impact.

[bright valley]

i totally get what they're aiming at, the current balancing just shrouds everything in a gravity that pulls towards aggression and violence.

[crude prism]

It only raises stress, however, might also be embeded in their individual decision making trees, that's a question for someone else

[bright valley]

i think the intended design is to encourage/reward maintaining a proper use of a continuum of force.

[crude prism]

Did you say spam flashbangs and C2 because suspects are overly aggressive in general, which leads to even more aggression?

Because playing less 'violently' will get you killed

[tough spire]

if you don't spam C2 and flashbangs, tho...

[bright valley]

ergo "the current balancing just shrouds everything in a gravity that pulls towards aggression and violence"

[karmic pine]

Do y'all think the Mariposa Lilly Order is going to play a part or is that given up on?

[dim cairn]

My guess would be they still have a part to play, be a bit weird if they didn't.

[karmic pine]

I'm just kinda bummed because the early trailers made it seem like it would be like SWAT 4 at first, but descend into something like FEAR, and it hasnt materialized

[bright valley]

the s-rank evidence for carriers of the vine makes reference ||to judge as a "mariposa lily plant"|| so I'd say they're at least still relevant to the game's lore

idk why i spoilered that, everyone who gives a shit already knows lol

[dim cairn]

Genuinely considering mixing sleep medicine and coffee to try and balance so I don't scare myself with my own gunshots.

[karmic pine]

It's just the early content and trailers were so creepy and unsettling, and there's nothing really like that beyond the environmental storytelling

[bright valley]

there was an ARG that's pretty much officially dead at the moment

i say "pretty much"... the ringleader is literally not ringleading it anymore and the channel is locked.

[karmic pine]

I remember that shit, when it was Carcosa and then Sepulchre

[bright valley]

i solved a couple steps and got a spot on decaff's document, pretty chuffed about that

[karmic pine]

After they lost their lead game dev, I feel like the "story" and feel of the game has gone astray

[bright valley]

they haven't officially lost their lead game dev

[karmic pine]

They definitely meant to have a more creepy, psychological feel to the game, and its gone

They put up a new hiring order for a new lead

[bright valley]

yeah, but i've worked for a place that had multiple "lead sales associates" before, it might be more of a designation of a senior position rather than a singular position.

[dim cairn]

good thing i got my application in early then. (imma shut up now)

[karmic pine]

Officer Never please bring back the creepy FEAR aspects of early RoN please and thank you ❤️

Also make Judge super jacked and kawaii

[dim cairn]

If I get a follow up I will do both of those things.

I solemnly swear.

[bright valley]

idk, not trying to say it's impossible but right now there's a lot of significant rumors being spread as fact when they aren't really substantiated

[tough spire]

About 70% of the things people say here are just made up out of thin air.

[bright valley]

like the whole "void has abandoned RoN to work on other projects" thing, which comes from an interview in which they expressed that they're "invested in other games through a few other teams in different game genres "

[daring lily]

oh my goodness man i just got killed by the last enemy from behind once again

im going to pay someone to make an a10 mod and destroy the whole map

[bright valley]

even though in like the same paragraph of that interview, they say "we will continue to maintain and improve Ready or Not beyond 1.0, we also plan to create additional features and levels to be offered as DLC"

[karmic pine]

How many abs do you think Judge has under his kit?

[bright valley]

judge has a dad bod, this is canon

(source is i made it the fuck up)

[bright valley]

You're usually more defensive of RoN/VOID than I am generally, but I'll absolutely draw the line at literal lying.

[tough spire]

Oh I'm pretty critical of them. I just think 90% of the complaining about AI is overblown.

[brazen lava]

"ah, yes. what cracked AI? just GIT GUD" "Poor performance? Don't be a brokie!"

[tough spire]

Don't be a brokie def. sounds like me. 1%'er George over here.

[daring lily]

they do enjoy using full auto quite a bit

[tough spire]

I literally cannot spend all these bills on my computer I'm so advanced.

[bright valley]

The "wow I sure hope they don't make the AI easier" crowd does make me roll my eyes quite a bit, I'll be honest.

Comes across as elitist and mostly ignorant of the opinions of the playerbase at large.

[tough spire]

I want them harder as more realistically clever/complex instead of hard because of absurd accuracy.

[karmic pine]

Judge gets me pretty wicked hahd amirite boys

[bright valley]

I think we're at least on the same page here, more or less. I think "easier/harder" is a far too reductive way to talk about the game's problems at the moment.

[tough spire]

But a good chunk of the complaints I see here can be remedied by playing smarter.

[tough spire]

Agreed

[crude prism]

If I had to choose (because Void is Void) of the current AI or the AI settings we had during Adam, I would choose the current ones.

If I had faith that Void could implement and flawlessly deploy either in-game AI sliders, or complete overhaul that makes them less 'difficult' but more behaviorally appropriate per map while adding dynamicity to their behaviors, I would also be fine with that lmao

Shit like "BRO MODDERS LITERALLY FIXED THE AI ALREADY" while all they did was severely nerf them, is really dumb

[tough spire]

Examples:
"Wow aimbot he shot me through the cracks in the truck" - that's called keyholing, it's realistic, you should be doing it to them as well.
"Wow that cult lady just run-and-gunned me with perfect accuracy with a 7.62" - Yes, that is absolutely stupid absurd.

[bright valley]

I dunno, you'll lose me if you lean on the "it's realistic" argument too much.

[tough spire]

☝️

[daring lily]

the lady running while shooting an automatic m14

[tough spire]

Realism good. Realism fun. Realism intense. Realism demands thoughtful tactics.

If I wanted another game to hold my hand through a vaguely realistic shooter with no particular substance and overly scripted bots I have plenty of other options.

[prime wing]

Ignorance. And i dont blame them. Most people who upload those mods dont even know what they are talking about nor do they test it to see how dumb the AI gets.

[tight frigate]

80

[bright valley]

I'm mostly concerned with the game's design in a holistic sense. What information is provided to the player, what choices do they have at any given moment, is it fun and engaging to play the game in the way that's being incentivized by the mechanics, etc.

I think an experience being realistic and feeling realistic are two separate ideas.

[tough spire]

At the end of the day a game like this is really just a puzzle game. How do you adjust your problem solving skills to adapt and overcome the next scenario put in front of you. What I'd love to see is more sensible diversity of behaviors based around enemy types and more ways they can manipulate the environment to their advantage.
What I'd hate to see is the AI behaviors to be stuck at this degree of complexity but lose any sense of challenge fighting them. As they are right now they're a fairly solvable puzzle. The environments themselves are the biggest threats, which is why Greased Palms is hated by so many for example.

[karmic pine]

The game would be 100 percent more enjoyable if the AI weren't crackhead snipers. They really bunced their accuracy where I dread going into every room because even though I know I'm supposed to be a highly trained police officer, I get domed by Cracky McGillicuddy every other room

[bright valley]

IMO, the aim is to emphasize realism in the ways that make gameplay fun and intuitive (being able to apply real CQB ideas to the game is super cool), but cast it aside when it does the opposite (outnumbering the suspects to such a significant degree that it actually minimizes risk like IRL would be boring).

[karmic pine]

The most fun I had was on the conspiracy guy map, where there were maybe three suspects in a dynamic house environment

[daring lily]

that one mission is fun where it feels like the transformers FBI raid scene

[tough spire]

I personally like that entering a room stupidly, or holding a bad corner, etc, will get me shot. Because that's my fault. Close quarters battle is extremely dangerous. Enemies popping you easily inside of twenty feet is brutally fair and you can do it right back to them. That's why we have good armor.

[karmic pine]

Throwing 25 suspects at a team of five is not only unrrealistic, it just isnt fun, you run out of ammo by the third firefight

[crude prism]

Part of the "AI is too accurate" issue, is that while players suffer debuffs for injuries, the AI has no such system.
And the penalty for shooting on the move is very minor.

Shooting them in the arms will not decrease proficiency reloading/handling two handed weapons.
Shooting them in the legs will not decrease their movement speed or limit their faster options like fleeing.
Shooting them in the hands will not cause them to drop their weapons randomly.
Repeated hits to armor have no effect besides suspects going "ooooh ooof ouchy" for a few seconds, and then returning to 100% efficiency

[prime wing]

Sometimes I can understand that people feel that the lack of choice on a game brings aspects of it down but unfortunately the argument "this is not realistic" that is popular on reddit overlooks a lot of other real issues. Like @crude prism has said, if a choice is bad then we should elaborate on why it is bad. Or if there is a purpose, let the dev communicate that. Sadly some decisions are made because-lol and leave players up for speculation, just for VOID to start calling misinformation out about the AI but wont elaborate on a proper counter.

[daring lily]

fr

u could shoot one and they just keep running and gunning

[tough spire]

Yeah someone you just gassed the room on shouldn't be able to see you accurately within sixty seconds.

[karmic pine]

I've gotten domed through the haze of CS gas more times than I can count

[tough spire]

Yeah they can see through CS too well compared to us.

[bright valley]

Like, for all the discussion I've had about the game, I've made exactly one proper feedback post in the forum and it's multiple paragraphs regarding the SWAT's LTL usage. I really try to think through my feedback, lol.

[tough spire]

Using a flashlight helps

[crude prism]

For some reason only pepperspray has an accuracy debuff on it, that slowly recovers over time. Pepperball/flashbangs/CS Gas have NO penalty to suspect vision

[karmic pine]

What about a tactical fleshlight attachment

[tough spire]

Lol I was just talking about this earlier - you can tiptoe around a blinded suspect but the second you spray them again they can whip around on you

[crude prism]

It's such a strange oversight

[tough spire]

Flashbangs should wear off quickly. They're not that magical like games love to make them out to be. But the gas? No way. That's gonna be burning for awhile

[daring lily]

yall ever throw a flashbang at the feet of the enemy and they ignore it

[crude prism]

This is because the grenade hit-tracing is based on a line drawn from the grenade to the suspect (I believe it is true-center on the model, not actually a to-the-eye check)

Any amount of floor clutter, debris, or something like a table leg can completely block the tracing

[daring lily]

musta been the newspaper mesh on the floor

[tough spire]

Flashbangs are meant to temporarily disorient, not blind or stun really. That's supposed to be what stingers are good for is a physical pain stunning.

[bright valley]

Blinding is definitely at least one of the functions of a flashbang lol

[tough spire]

Sort of.

[bright valley]

It ain't flashing just for the hell of it.

[tough spire]

It's not entirely dissimilar from a high powered camera flash going off in your eyes.

It will disorient you visually, but it does not blind you

There's also a large pressure release from the grenade exploding which you can feel and is jarring, and an extremely loud bang that hurts your ears a bit.

[bright valley]

A cursory google says about 5 seconds of blinding, not including the afterimage that can disrupt your vision further.

[crude prism]

The 'proper' way for the Grenade tracing system to work, involves the decoration objects in the world being given a flag that makes them invisible to specifically grenade hitchecks.

Until a system like above could be implemented, simply changing the grenade effect to be based entirely on a sphere of influence would suffice. Hell, they could have both temporarily, a smaller sphere that hits no matter LOS, and a larger one that only hits if the suspect is exposed

[prime wing]

the way we throw flashbangs in ron is so frustating. But i understand that there nothing probably thats any better than simply having to lean to get a good throw while vulnerable.

I dont have an alternative

[bright valley]

Not that I'm really really trying to argue from the 100% realism in design angle in the first place, just that things work in a way that makes enough sense.

[tough spire]

I would only argue that it's a misuse of the word "blind" at that point

[daring lily]

is it possible to shoot the flash launcher without it detonating on impact

[prime wing]

nah

[crude prism]

Stick to wall 3rd person cover system when?

[bright valley]

No, its detonation on impact is the point.

[tough spire]

And here's the thing - if it's bright out enough? The flash on the flashbang does fuck-all.

[prime wing]

i want to see this break the game

[daring lily]

i feel like if you can see an enemy to hit them with the flashbang launcher they can shoot you

[crude prism]

The flashbang + stinger launchers don't have increased effect over the normal grenades, and becase if you're firing them at the floor/wall/roof AROUND suspects, without LOS to verify your shots, it's more likely you'll straight up miss because the radius is too small.

[mossy hatch]

flashes and 9 bangs haven't let me down in a while, I don't recall ever needing/wanting to use the launchers...

[crude prism]

MOST of the time, if you're throwing grenades properly, they will land more evenly towards the middle or intended area of a room, while with the launchers you can't do this without exposing yourself. Which in turn, creates a strange mechanic where players will just full-peek with the launcher and direct impact suspects, as that is the most effective way to play, and with the removal of the fatal 40mm impact, there is no downside.

[tough spire]

Yeeeaaaah stinger to the face is great.

[daring lily]

9 bangs wait what

[prime wing]

bring back the other launcher

[tough spire]

It's a mod

[prime wing]

whatever the name was

remove this one

[crude prism]

Add M32A1 back, add reload animation, getting S ranks is trivialized, ez pz

[dim cairn]

RoN potato cannon when???

[daring lily]

dang thats kinda like having a beanbag shotgun as well as ur lethal gun

except the beanbag shotgun has 3 shots

[mossy hatch]

I got it from the gunfighter mod, great mod + gunfighter NVG (basically fake PiP) is awesome

[tough spire]

Make flashbangs environment-dependent, buff stingers in close ranges, make CS blind for at least 3 minutes 😛

[bright valley]

We don't really have the mechanics to do proper grenade throws where only your arm/hand gets exposed, so I tend to do the kinda gamey alternative of just banking the nade off the door/doorframe.

[crude prism]

The 40mm launchers are GREAT for cheesing suspect arrests. Just peek with it and then if the suspect won't surrender only off the 40mm, pull a taser while they're stunned

Its really dumb

[daring lily]

i remember i tried hitting a suspect with a flash launcher in the face and blud just tanked it

[crude prism]

"bro getting 3 arrests on brisa is so hard"

My brother are you even trying?

[mossy hatch]

Am I the only person who uses the breaching shotgun on suspects? It seems to act like a beanbag sometimes (when it decides to hit atleast) IRL though a frangible door breaching slug would still probably do more damage than it does in RoN?

[tough spire]

lol while I'll say real flashbangs aren't that OP IRL, getting hit with a 40mm flash would put you in the hospital immediately.

[crude prism]

There's been no official reason why, but speculation is that the impact-damage was removed because of trolling in MP

[bright valley]

I haven't really used the launchers much, honestly just now tested one, had no idea you were still immune to it

[daring lily]

well we are talking about advanced augmented super soldiers here (ron AI)

[tough spire]

True. They've been making friends with the ripperdoc

[crude prism]

The breaching shotty does nearly no damage, and because of rof/ammo limitations, is really shitty at being a nonlethal lol.

It doesn't get the actual stun building like the beanbag does either. Would not recommend using it as a faux-nl

[bright valley]

I remember having to do this fucky technique where I'd free-lean with the launcher and let go of the lean a split-second after firing to avoid getting caught in the blast, lol.

side note, holy shit could they make the gas launcher not bounce so much

[crude prism]

But that's the best part of it lmao, if only it wasn't so wonky physics wise

[tough spire]

I've learned to enjoy BSing some silly shots with it, but yes I agree 😂

[mossy hatch]

yeah I don't usually use it on purpose, usually when I breach a door and a suspect tries to bumrush me instantly, or its just faster to shoot with it out than to switch weapons. I also increased the damage once and it was surprisingly good as a non lethal. It has beanpag properties in the files iirc, just does like 1 damage by default

[tough spire]

Well now I need to replace my pepperspray only run with breaching shotgun only run

[mossy hatch]

lol

[bright valley]

Breaching shotgun to the head kills just like beanbags btw

[tough spire]

Good to know

[bright valley]

in case you want more goofy ways to abuse equipment

[crude prism]

headshots are bugged, literally any damage that can be limb-specific is a kill

headshot multipliers have been broken since Adam

[bright valley]

i wouldn't complain if that wasn't a bug

[tough spire]

I wonder what a breaching round would do to an exposed arm.

[bright valley]

would figure it falls under the same category as beanbag headshots indicating "this isn't harmless, don't be an idiot with it"

[mossy hatch]

that shit would be mist probably, don't frangibles dump all their energy instantly?

[crude prism]

If functioning properly, breaching shotgun headshots should take 8 hits to incap a normal suspect

At 10 damage with 2x headshot multiplier

[mossy hatch]

also speaking of beanbag headshots #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[crude prism]

bonk

[mossy hatch]

bro spun right into it

[bright valley]

all I know is I wouldn't want to get hit with a breaching round lol

[tawny scroll]

•~• i played zombies mod with randoms and I killed one after 4 headshots with a 5.56

[tough spire]

Not terribly - you can find some YouTubes of it

[bright valley]

side note, i just want to say how pleased i am with how door kicks work now, it's basically exactly how i thought they should function

[tough spire]

Well. I dunno. I guess it depends on if it hits bone.

If it hit bone yeah you'd mist.

[bright valley]

the old functionality of 100% reliable 1 kick to unlock a door, another kick to open it made almost every breaching tool redundant.

[mossy hatch]

I just wish I could kick the door from the side cause I use the mod where the breaching shotgun doesn't actually swing open the door, and being locked right in the middle in that anim is kinda buns...

[bright valley]

You can pretty much hug the wall next to the door as long as you're close enough.

[mossy hatch]

I usually don't get the prompt, idk Ill have to try it more

[ivory kiln]

i have a theory that judge is an ex navy seal and he joined swat cuz he was bored from civilian life

[mossy hatch]

still tho the AI can mule kick doors, why cant we

[tough spire]

You can get some weird angles by leaning first

Counter-intuitive for a Kick but... whatever. Game logic.

[bright valley]

The only tool that I think feels like eh right now is the battering ram, I think a slight visual shift in the first-person model when you're in range to hit a door would work wonders.

[tough spire]

It'd be nice if they forced you way closer for lockpicks, too.

Make breaching tools and/or the lockpick gun more appealing

[crude prism]

Someone said that the default lockpicking is audible to suspects now, no clue if that's true or not. Doesn't feel like it from my experience so far but idk

[bright valley]

For the most part, the balance between the breaching tools seems to be in a fairly decent place to me.

[tough spire]

It'd be nice if they at least slowed it down or something. Right now lockpick guns are basically a waste of a slot

[crude prism]

lickpicking qte minigame when

[bright valley]

lockpick is free and quiet but slow, kick is free and loud but unreliable, battering ram is a reliable kick, LP gun is a fast lockpick, C2 is limited and very destructive but can knock out suspects and be used remotely

[tough spire]

Aw man I would love a minigame like Skyrim's lockpicking. Can you imagine the anxiety trying to get those pins to settle while under threat?

[crude prism]

AI needs to berate you for taking a long time picking the lock

[bright valley]

breaching shotgun is kind of a wildcard depending on how cheesy you want to be with it. At its most realistic it's a loud, fast and somewhat destructive lockpick. At maximum cheese it's a ranged device that can delete wooden doors in two shots.

[tough spire]

"OooOOoooh someone needs to watch more Lockpicking Lawyer"

[bright valley]

"you want me to try?"

fuck's sake i can actually hear that in one of their voices, same politely irritated tone as "you gonna move?"

[crude prism]

EXACTLY lmao

[tight frigate]

-250 Friendly Fire

[crude prism]

I can already see the reddit post of someone going "why is this shit in the game, fuck you" and posting them just slaughtering the AI for speaking

[tough spire]

"We drill for this."

[bright valley]

"almost got it?"

[tight frigate]

“Need some help over there?”

[tough spire]

Okay AI pet peeve cos I'm working on my S rank Greased while we chat - When I tell a suspect to move to my position after getting them to surrender at a distance, do they really need to try to pull on me multiple times on the way over?

[crude prism]

There's some hard-set timer where they'll get up, even if you're covering still

[bright valley]

the hidden weapon thing feels super overtuned at the moment

[crude prism]

It's not very apparent until you are ordering them to cross long distances

[tough spire]

They just leave a little trail of contraband for you to go collect like easter eggs.

[crude prism]

Hidden weapon mechanics are blatantly not functioning as intended because it never catches anyone off guard after the first few times.

It's just:

1. suspects spawn with at least 2 weapons
2. suspects will always fake, even if you're covering

[bright valley]

like it's bad enough that so many suspects seem to try to pull a fast one on you, but it's extra annoying that they always have another gun on them and never go for their dropped gun.

[tight frigate]

that one suspect with 2 glocks on buy cheap buy twice 😭😭

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message Case in point

That would be... two handguns, a rifle and a knife on that one.

[bright valley]

It might actually provide a case for sometimes getting the gun secured before the suspect if that actually affected the situation.

[prime wing]

Guns are just plastic in ron at this point

characters just

float with 3 guns on them

The average criminal barely knows how to carry one

[round frigate]

Anyone knows if killing Zahir on Relapse makes u fail whole mission in commander mode?

[crude prism]

that's fucking stupid lmao

[tough spire]

You know... I'm curious. If you tell them to turn around while they move to you I wonder if they're less bold

[crude prism]

bro found John Armsdealer Schmitt

[tough spire]

oh THAT was an upsetting death. I got shot during M320 reload and bled out before I could finish reloading and start the bandage.

[bright valley]

I've wondered this too. Could see the argument going either way. I usually tell them to turn around, personally.

[tough spire]

Well, I'll go try it

[crude prism]

Turning them around actually makes them more likely to fake surrender because it adds an additional RNG roll when you command them to spin lol

Where they'll instantly pull instead of turning

[tough spire]

Oh. Boo.

[bright valley]

TBF, I'd rather them do that outside of melee range if they're destined to.

[tough spire]

Fair 😂

[daring lily]

then you can get additional evidence 🤓

[bright valley]

The concern I've had is the possibility that the turned-around suspects naively thinks "I don't see any officers anymore," cue morale increase.

But that depends on how it's coded.

[shadow ether]

Dude's carrying a whole gun store in his pocket

[tough spire]

rofl. Dog logic - "I can't see them, so they can't see me, so why am I surrendering?"

[crude prism]

i can actually probably test that really easy

one sec

[bright valley]

The suspects are pretty hyper-sensitive though, able to tell SWAT footsteps apart from friendly footsteps.

[shadow ether]

Wasn't there a case when a sus dropped like a whole dozen knives one by one

[prime wing]

https://youtu.be/Sd7hFcjKxYo?t=101

(he is stressed 👉 👈 )

one second

** **
👉 👈

fuck

there we go

[tough spire]

** **
👉 👈

lol I see what you were doing now

[prime wing]

how

[tough spire]

Through the power of Discord BS.

[bright valley]

alt 255 is my first guess but i'm not bothering to test the theory

[tough spire]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[crude prism]

Yeah so they're fucking babies

Suspects have no sense of object permanence, if you turn them around, they will stand up after ~15 seconds every time

[bright valley]

i hate being right sometimes lol

[crude prism]

If facing you, they will seemingly NEVER get up (not counting fake surrenders)

[tough spire]

HA! It is dog logic!

[bright valley]

constantly having worries that nobody thinks about but turn out to be 100% correct is why i have an anxiety disorder, swear to god

[crude prism]

I'm still standing in front of this guy I already tested twice for 2 mins. he hasn't got up yet

[tough spire]

** **👒
** **
👉 👈

[crude prism]

If there is a front-facing timer, it's suuuuuuuper long

It doesn't seem to matter if you're looking at them or not. If the suspect sees you, and they don't have another weapon holstered, they will not get up

Case in point, 2 mins of my back to this dude and he is still sitting here politely

Even if you're stomping around, yelling, etc. If they're turned around, they will get up after ~15-20 seconds

[bright valley]

It's probably not timer-based, IIRC the suspects (and civs too?) use a mostly utility-based system.

So like, officer in view probably adds points to whatever logic decides the coast isn't clear, no officers in view and the points start decaying, that kind of thing.

might have that backwards, i dunno, it does and doesn't make sense sometimes

[crude prism]

Weird little oversight that it's not using a standard awareness check too

[opal holly]

guys give me any mission to do

[bright valley]

honestly, it sucks because i think there's a lot of depth to the AI under the hood, but it's hard to appreciate what isn't in view, and what's in view tends to be over in like 1 second.

[crude prism]

like you could be gunfighting behind someone and they would forget you're there

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN???

[balmy sentinel]

hotfix 3 or 4

[noble laurel]

I love how you can run out of ammo, but you're a good boy so you would never use a gun from the floor so you just die

[bright valley]

I think for most intents and purposes, you're severely making a mistake if you manage to completely run out of ammo.

[prime mural]

when ur in an enclosed area and ur ai starts getting shot at, is there a way to force them to start moving? i asked them to both fall in and move out an area but they just stood there getting hsot through a window

[shadow fern]

I don’t think I’ve ever ran out of ammo

[daring lily]

Bro I finally finished valley of the dolls after like 15 hours worth of playing only to find out the gear looks crap on the cop

[earnest wolf]

I can imagine running out of ammo if I used SMGs more but never with rifles

[bright valley]

In the future, it might help to know you can right click locked cosmetics to preview them.

[noble laurel]

smgs run out of ammo really quickly

unless you get headshots you have to fire off a bunch of shots to kill one guy

[earnest wolf]

yeah I'd be spraying like mad

[daring lily]

They gotta make the characters stockier fr this is america

My character doesn't even fill out the sleeve in a small polo

[bright valley]

If you're trying to go against the more armored suspects with an SMG, you might like the MP7 or P90. Higher magazine capacities and better armor penetration.

[daring lily]

Just realised if they wanted to make him stockier they would have to make every uniform shaped for it

[noble laurel]

ffs, some civ was just hanging out in front of a guard that was shooting me

[daring lily]

Lol

[bright valley]

ya hate to see it

[fathom dune]

Finally managed to solo run S-rank 23 megabytes per second, after like 20+ tries

[earnest wolf]

Nice!

[fathom dune]

was it worth the pain? Not at all, still glad to finally be done with it tho 😭

[daring lily]

Only 20 tries that's impressive

I would've taken about 70 split up into multiple days

[earnest wolf]

It took me at least 10 tries to just finish Carriers of the Vine and I was more than happy with a B rating lol

[shadow ether]

Btw what's the lore for supporters edition allowing you to dress up like straight up FISA

Is that some more gear they forgot along with the NVGs?

[mossy hatch]

its fisa (FBI) HRT, I assumed its like a JTF or something/interagency task force

[tawny scroll]

🫵🏽🤨 jtf vigil

[mild rune]

Anyone else have an issue where AI with the launchers will only fire one shot and not reload

Or is that just how the game is meant to be

[bright valley]

I think it's just a bug.

[mild rune]

Hmmm

[bright valley]

Doesn't make any sense for that to be intended behavior.

[mild rune]

My thoughts exactly

[mellow gate]

How do I get AI to throw flash grenades down a hall or something

Like not actually breach and clear with flash but to flash a corner before they swing around

[shy heath]

yeah. Thats annoying, it literally feels like a long tactical slot getting waste. I'm 90% sure its a bug because the launcher is meant to be reloaded too.

[shy heath]

You can use deploy > flashbang and they will throw a flashbang at where you point to i think.

[noble laurel]

That flower garden on voll house sucks so much

because guards' view doesn't seem to be obscured at all by it, but it's impossible to actually see through any of it

[shy heath]

well there is alot of things like that in most of the maps

carriers of the vine also 1 of them

[fathom dune]

What's the soft objective on the kawayu beach or wtv its called?

[bright valley]

Bag of money in one of the 2F bedrooms.

[fathom dune]

Damn it alr thanks

[bright valley]

It's sitting on a couch.

[shy heath]

There was also 1 more but idk if its objective or soft objective (weapon manufactory)

[fathom dune]

weapon manufactory is objective

[bright valley]

That one's the primary objective of the mission.

[shy heath]

Oh alright

[bright valley]

It's why you're there lol

[mellow gate]

Oh cool

[fathom dune]

Hold up a friend told me you get a hawaiian shirt if you S-rank the beach map.. but the shirt isn't in the customization thing, not even as a "locked" option.. did he lie to me or smth

[shy heath]

It's a t-shirt expansion

[bright valley]

They've got the map wrong, you get the hawaiian shirt for S-ranking Valley of the Dolls.

[fathom dune]

What..?

[shy heath]

yeah also that

[fathom dune]

Ohh wait im dumb i get it mb

[shy heath]

not kawayu beach its valley of the dolls but it also isnt extra shirt its an extra customize to the polo shirt*

[fathom dune]

Alrighty thanks

[bright valley]

Polo shirt. The t-shirt only has one design.

[shy heath]

Oh yeah im dumb sorry lol. They look so similiar i get confused

[shrewd oriole]

Tactical flip-flops when

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I fucking hate how in close combat, the suspect AI can shoot you perfectly fine even with a long gun but you can’t

[sharp fox]

❌

[limpid leaf]

i think that they should work on that death animations

[mystic stream]

anyone else think that the dlss in this game is terrible? Just use the 1-4x scope, it literally starts ghosting the entire thing

[opal holly]

best ar in the game?

[daring lily]

In My Opinion the sr16

[opal holly]

fr fr

[stone bay]

The one you like.

[livid notch]

1. SR16
2. SCAR-L
3. G36C

that's my favorites, but in general all ARs perform pretty similar

[near schooner]

i go with the FAL

[livid notch]

technically FAL is not an AR

[near schooner]

its a marksmen rifle

[livid notch]

battle rifle, but yeah - many battle rifles are used (after some modifications) as DMRs

[earnest wolf]

I just got absolutely John Wicked on Relapse

[near schooner]

fair, but as in FAL i mean the SA-58, which is considered a rifle

[earnest wolf]

right at the end of the mission as well 😭

[livid notch]

battle rifle with sawn-off barrel is still a battle rifle

[earnest wolf]

A guy in a blue hoodie with an AK killed my entire stack and then me in one insane push

[livid notch]

or SBR

[near schooner]

battle rifles are like modified rifles

with higher calibers

[livid notch]

battle rifle use well rifle rounds
assault rifles use intermediate rounds, thats the key difference

[near schooner]

fair

actually, i wanna ask everyone in this chat : what tatoo do you think is the worst?

[livid notch]

Fan Service - putting waifu on your forearm is just... no

[near schooner]

fair, you cant practically see it either

[livid notch]

personally I wear Mia Delarosa or Statue of Liberty

[near schooner]

my worst one is the sun one, cant really see it at all, very pointless, and fan service too

[near schooner]

good tatoo's

honestly, i only wear hatching and awakining ( S tier for obsession )

[livid notch]

Relapse tatoo is also cool, shame is not more visible

[near schooner]

data centers is just too simple for my liking

[livid notch]

i think there should be also slot for morale patches

Saint Javelin while clearing the port? sounds nice, not gonna lie

[earnest python]

are people still doin that

[stone bay]

Is there a good G36 mod replacement?

[near schooner]

Not really.

[stone bay]

[earnest python]

there's a few that readd the carry handle, that's what I use

[stone bay]

You got a link?

And it works in 1.0?

[near schooner]

there is a pretty alright one, called HK 433

it looks modern and very amazing

[stone bay]

It says updated last 2022

[near schooner]

it can be modified with modified sights/lasers/grips/etc

[near schooner]

still, it can be used

[earnest python]

no but go to the nexus and look for the one by ballistic

[stone bay]

Alr gonna try both

[near schooner]

i have a mod made in adam update, and it still works just fine for me

[earnest python]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3109

[stone bay]

Thanks

[earnest wolf]

The carry handle g36 is iconic, but I actually think it looks cooler as it is in game without

[left rampart]

Will this game go to sales, in the upcoming spring sales???

[earnest wolf]

I don't think anyone knows

[left rampart]

Oh well, the game is remarkable, however, 50€ is a bit expensive

[earnest wolf]

I'm sure it will end up on sale at some point

[stone bay]

which one do I use? the Classic file or the IDZ one?

[left rampart]

I hope so

[fathom dune]

holy hell postal is annoying to do alone

Finally manage to clear it, but apparently that fisa dude got shot so i gotta do it all over again 😩 took me way too long the first time

[stone bay]

I was stuck on that map almost as long as Ides of March. never again

[broken haven]

reckon i should buy this game

[pastel adder]

I wish there was a way to ban Bible Guy from RoN multiplayer if he can’t shut up and start the mission

I don’t care about the conspiracy theory Christianity shit. I just want to play the game bro 😭

[fathom dune]

Thought I finally got done with the annoyingly large and hard maps after Ides of March.. forgot this existed 😭

[stone bay]

Just wait till you get to Relapse. At least the bombs on that map don't switch locations.

[earnest wolf]

I'm on relapse at the moment

it's so big. Getting the bombs isn't too bad, but then you've got the clear the place :/

[earnest python]

same except for the stock

[fathom dune]

Im so done with postal oml 😭

[near schooner]

do you need help??

[near schooner]

its one of the most boring and worst maps IMO

[earnest wolf]

I've only done a few runs so far - I'm sure I'll get it in the end. Thanks though

First run I didn't know about the bombs until I found the first one 25 mins in... that didn't go well. Last run I got both the bombs and was working through clearing the hospital and got absolutely John Wicked by a suspect with the AK who wiped my entire team lol

[storm temple]

You will. Definitely.

[earnest wolf]

I wish I had recorded it 😄

[earnest wolf]

thanks bro 💪

[near schooner]

i recommend bringing these tools : 1 mirror, 1 battering ram, 2 shields

give them gas masks and CS gas, it will be very useful

[earnest wolf]

I've not really used CS gas at all - I should give it a go. Ty

[storm temple]

You got this bro, just gotta tighten it up :) me and a buddy cleared it last night using flash and mirror guns, whatever works best for you to flow through the building lol.

[near schooner]

bring powerful weapons, ai dont matter, give them the SA 58 or the SLR. but for you id recommend the g36, SR16

unless your going for S rank

[earnest wolf]

Yeah I like the G36

[near schooner]

good

[earnest wolf]

usually run that or the LVAR

[near schooner]

LVAR kinda mid tbh.

imo ofc

[fathom dune]

It really is

[earnest wolf]

cheers for the tips. I'm going for Ss on some of the earlier maps atm for a bit of a change, but I'm going to try again later 🙂

[near schooner]

np, olso use your AI alot

they can get the job done faster and easier

[storm temple]

Good luck man!

Just a matter of time before you get it

[earnest wolf]

cheers guys

[near schooner]

no worries

oh my fucking god

WHY DO THE SUSPECTS RANDOMLY DECIDE TO SHOOT MY HOSTAGES

the fucking college is my last mission and i get metal of valor

but these fucking school shooters keep shooting randomly

[bright valley]

You probably shouldn't call them hostages when they're in your custody lol

[near schooner]

i meant like. the civilians

if they arent cuffed they shoot them on sight

like. after the 10 minute mark, they just start killing more

[amber hearth]

i think i tried every weapon mod in mod nexus

most mods work, even things from mid 2022

[bright valley]

No I understood, it's just funny

[near schooner]

at some point

im gonna make a fucking shooter my hostage

its always upstairs too

ik its ''active shooter'' but damn bro atleast use them as a shield 😭

dont just murder them

man fuck these hostages

just started the mission

INSTANT FAIL ON : rescue all civilians

[bright valley]

This is pretty much why there's only one mission with an actual active shooter scenario. Success is incredibly RNG-dependent.

[near schooner]

man.

i was so close

and he shot the hostage

nah bro, fuck it, im strapping a bomb to my chest and then IL be the active shooter

[bright valley]

I think when I got my first Elephant S rank, I just held up a shield while my team trailed behind me with less lethals. Charged towards any noises and crossed my fingers.

It was kind of a crapshoot honestly.

[near schooner]

nah fuck it, im taking off ALL of my equipment

i will become the flash

[fathom dune]

Finally a good run and my ai kills a civ, yaaayyyyy

[near schooner]

I DID IT

[fathom dune]

W

nice jobbb

[zenith burrow]

why does the stinger not stun suspects

it's literally right beside them 💀

[dense quest]

Stingers have done better for me than flashbangs

[zenith burrow]

so it's just the RoN AI being RoN AI?

[final parrot]

Hello just a quick question
If you download mod in nexus
You basically just drag and drop you packchunk file in to the pack folder right?

[foggy zinc]

I believe so? Never looked into mods bu that kind of logic checks out in my mind. I'd suggest checking out #❓modding-faq-archive maybe or just researching how to set up whatever mod you wanna use.

[final parrot]

10-4

[foggy zinc]

Also anyone looking to run co-op atm maybe? Anything is ok tbh.

[opaque furnace]

playing from australia. co-op anyone? ive never touched it and ive mad it as far as to neon tomb on single player.

[foggy zinc]

if we find more ppl then sure. My suggestion for neon tomb is clear the pools first and second floor, leave everything else. Run lots of gas and door wedges to block off flanks.

[opaque furnace]

thanks. =]

[fathom dune]

Postal gotta be a joke bro.. I gotta arrest a dude actively shooting at me and my squad, and these freaking ai on my team have no clue he's objective so they instantly gun him down each time

[foggy zinc]

gas

[ripe hazel]

Your best bet is having them hold their location and take him out solo

[fathom dune]

gassing out a huge area just gon make him run away

[foggy zinc]

just throw CS gas everywhere in the main warehouse

[ripe hazel]

Just get like 9 CS gas grenades and toss 'em

[fathom dune]

Way too many ai and im way too inexperienced for that

[foggy zinc]

best bet then is run a shield maybe or m320 flash to quickly subdue him

[fading quiver]

are there specific voicelines for the player when the player is near an enemy

bro how do i prevent my gun fromgoing to highready when im in a doorway

[slender adder]

use a shorter gun

[bright valley]

Shotgun users weep

[fathom dune]

Ngl just go glock only

[opaque furnace]

just finished neon tomb. oh man i did not expect seeing 278238 corpses the moment the lvl loads in

[empty eagle]

lol

[foggy zinc]

How was it lol

did gas work or did you just give it another shot with whatever u ran previously

[opaque furnace]

i just ran casual clear pie gun kill arrest anyone that surrenders repeat. i actually never used the wedges nor the gasses lol

[foggy zinc]

good job clearing it tho

[opaque furnace]

thanks mate. its 3 am so im surprise my brain functions well enough to play this game.

[foggy zinc]

o boy u have the car dealer next

[opaque furnace]

playing it right now. theres no map and the entire area is in chaos. lookz like im in for a ride

[foggy zinc]

indeed

my suggestion is a mirror and pie everything maybe

[empty eagle]

Pie?

[foggy zinc]

yessir

[fathom dune]

if I play with others (me being host), if we do my most recently unlocked map and pass it.. do i unlock the next map?

[empty eagle]

What is that

[fathom dune]

it's a tactic of clearing doors i think

[foggy zinc]

Pying is a form to clear the visible area of a room basically

[opaque furnace]

will do 🤝

[foggy zinc]

You slowly clear the room within your FOV like slicing a pie basically

[fathom dune]

Swing from one side of the entry/doorway to the other, clearing the room as you move

[foggy zinc]

So if you're at a corner fed room, pying allows you to open the door or peek and slowly check the inside of the room without fully breaching yet

[plucky sage]

Now gib pie

[fathom dune]

if i play w/ others (me as host) and we clear my most recent map, do I unlock the next one? or does it have to be solo

[amber dock]

In coop, all missions are unlocked from the start

[fathom dune]

oh lmao alright

[fading quiver]

look in #🐜archived-bug-reports-channel

[opaque furnace]

buy cheap buy twice aint that bad. nit as bad as ides of march

still gives me nightmares. anyways on to carriers of the vine i go

[amber dock]

Good luck

[mental fable]

Hey @stark hollow are you making a new google doc about your opinions on the 1.0 update ?

[foggy zinc]

U did it?

[opaque furnace]

yep

[foggy zinc]

great job soldier

[opaque furnace]

thanks capt. 🫡

[foggy zinc]

you're flying through these lel

Carriers should be fine

[opaque furnace]

got addicted lol. anyways ill call it a night. i dont want to face that crazy elaine raskin at 3:30am

[foggy zinc]

[stark hollow]

going to wait until late june to start at the earliest

but yes probably

[mental fable]

Oh, that long ?

Alright

[fading quiver]

@stark hollow https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922134129871552574/1200840626669895801/27.01.2024_10.30.32_REC.mp4?ex=65c7a4fb&is=65b52ffb&hm=761b988124f6ab1297ab150c63e34d75f91e0e1b8c7b64588d34658a74c6d5d4&

can you provide an explanation]

[craggy yew]

What member of d platoon do you think if they got surprised by their partner at home they would suplex them?

[stark hollow]

submit bugs to #1050535723087958156

[loud whale]

What mission is ridgeline supposed to be again, I just got to Relapse and holy fuck that level is uplayable because of the frame drops on the second floor

wait its now sullivans slope, nvm

One of the clothing items mentions ridgeline instead of sullivans slope

[craggy yew]

Lethal obsession

Do you guys think d platoon dap each other up when they see each other at work?

[earnest phoenix]

do you think judge and eli make out after a succesful mission

[plucky sage]

So that's why the locker room is always locked...

[next olive]

[next olive]

add a hall of shame

[fading quiver]

what is the fastest firing gun

[plucky sage]

Just rename this channel

[fading quiver]

can i do keybind combos

[hasty oak]

spc

[fading quiver]

whats the hardest hitting gun thats not a shotgun

[stone bay]

I think you alr know the answer to that

[fading quiver]

... with less recoil than the one i know your thinking of.

[stone bay]

Any .300 gun I guess

[fading quiver]

how do i use the iron sights on the 1-4x

nvm

[frail quartz]

It should be the P key iirc

[fading quiver]

height over bore is so intense

im point blank with the 4x

and i hit like 4 inches low from where i was aiming

[undone lily]

SA58 OSW

[mighty elbow]

best gun in the game

sry mods

mea cupla

[plucky sage]

*cupola

[mighty elbow]

my bad

[fading quiver]

what did the mk1 carbine look like

[next olive]

jsut got lethal obsession s rank les go

those traps annoying

[livid notch]

to make things quicker you can use breach shotgun, to detonate them from safe distance

but it's risky for non-lethal runs

[fading quiver]

how do i change my ai teams names

in practice

[foggy zinc]

Sa 58 is so much fun lel

So loud and punchy

[mighty elbow]

it hits harder than when my dad and mom left me to go out drinking and only one came back then left again

[foggy zinc]

watdahek

also supernova and shotties in general are amazing lel

"Oops, his legs are missing."

I've just been testing all sorts of guns today lol

mp5a3 is especially fun

[mighty elbow]

for me its oops his head and arms are missing

[foggy zinc]

only issue is when they use armor

for what we resort to the SA58 or MCX

300 blk is straight heat

[soft narwhal]

Just shoot them in the head

No armor there

[mighty elbow]

sa 58 and the fn 57 with only ap

[foggy zinc]

USP has become my favorite sidearm tbh

Suppressed sound is just too good and it looks beautiful

[stone bay]

Since when did they change “A Lethal Obsession”???

Back in EA you couldn’t gas them. They wouldn’t be affected

I tried gassing them again today and they were coughing like crazy

[mighty elbow]

i HATE THE 300. BLACK OUT IT SUCKS COMPARED TO THE SA 58 IT JUST TOOK 5 TO 6 ROUNDS TO KILL ONE GUY AND I'M RUNNING AP IN CASE THE GUYS ON PORT ARE RUNNING BODY ARMOR

[foggy zinc]

[ripe hazel]

I recommend running something the SLR at full auto, PBS-1 makes the recoil bearable

[foggy zinc]

I just love the mcx lel

first ever AK enjoyer I've seen here

Wowzers

[ripe hazel]

There's people that don't like it? The damn thing's more controllable than the 5.56 nightmares in game

[foggy zinc]

I just haven't used it lol

[stone bay]

I enjoy it

[soft narwhal]

Usp will always be my favorite

It looks awesome and bc of counter strike

[foggy zinc]

ima go run gas station with the ak and give my verdict lel

[stone bay]

No love for Beretta 92?

[foggy zinc]

If u like it then that's all that matters

[ripe hazel]

All you need with the AK is the PBS suppressor and a dream

The irons are fine

[stone bay]

AK sounds too good to be suppressed

[ripe hazel]

That AKS-74u style muzzle feels like a sin with the 7.62x39 round

[stone bay]

Yeah it’s too fucken short

[mighty elbow]

how do you tell someone in multiplayer to move towards you

[livid notch]

use the command menu like in single player mode, then point to surrendered suspect/civie

there should be contextual action

[thorn current]

is the game worth it even with the suspect AI?

[ripe hazel]

See it's a conflicting thing. I mean a mod can fix the suspect AI, but it shouldn't be like that in the first place

[onyx axle]

What's wrong with the AI?

[ripe hazel]

There's no sugarcoating it, the AI's a bit ridiculous

Last I heard they have a reaction time of like 100 ms

Plus they can move and shoot extremely accurately, worryingly accurately actually

[onyx axle]

might explain why I've been stuck on mindjot for a couple days now

keep getting one-shot by an opponent that isn't even in sight

usually behind a door

[ripe hazel]

Yeah. Honestly here's a tip. Send your AI teammates in first, they have the exact same aimbot capabilities

nine times out of ten they'll clear house

[onyx axle]

That's what I've been doing this whole time, I thought it was just my aim being arse lmao

[ripe hazel]

Yeah no they're ridiculous

[slender adder]

you kinda suck at the game

[ripe hazel]

Getting an AI fix lets you actually partake in the combat

[onyx axle]

With the AI my experience has been either they are complete ass, cannot hit a shot, and die immediately, or are literally god injected into a mortal form

there's no inbetween

for some reason I thought it was just this hard on purpose

[ripe hazel]

Nope. They're all on that 213 Park Homes crack

[foggy zinc]

Is that twisted nerve

[ripe hazel]

Yeah

[foggy zinc]

that mission was terrifying to clear

also the AK isn't that bad

Not super good but pretty ight in terms of recoil and CQB ability

[noble pebble]

hello, can someone help me, ive recently bought ready or not and it simply doesnt run well at all, no matter what i try low settings low res, everything maxed out dx11 or dx12 its all the same the game is simply unplayable, certain scenarios I can get a stable 60 but then instantly drops and just becomes unplayable

[foggy zinc]

Specs?

[noble pebble]

rtx 2050 4gb with a 12th gen i5

[foggy zinc]

also DLSS and FSR may be causing fps to drop

[ripe hazel]

AK's main draw is the ridiculously high damage. It's like 10 less than the SA-58 with tenfold controllability

[noble pebble]

16gbs ram sorry forgot to add that

[foggy zinc]

I've noticed that with my 1070ti that FSR caused frame stutters sometimes where it dives from 35 to 12

[onyx axle]

What resolution? 4GB VRAM is a bit low

I struggled with a 3050 4GB because my VRAM was maxxed out at 1080

[foggy zinc]

o damn 4 gigs is nothing

ye it maxes out

[noble pebble]

1920 by 1200

[south flame]

Anyone got S on neon tomb? I really want to know how to arrest bomb vest guy

[noble pebble]

im playing it from a laptop that could cause me issues yes, but every other game ive tried even what i consider probably more demanding like pubg or apex legends runs perfectly fine on this system, and im sure my specs could be decent enough to meet the minimum specs required to run the game

[slender adder]

taser

[south flame]

Doesn't work for me

[maiden wing]

how comes some mods i download on the actual mod bit on ready or not take for ever to "Extract" if not dont even extract...

[brittle swan]

Beanbags

[slender adder]

it has wacky hit detections, cant do anything about it. but as long as it hits its a one shot arrest

[foggy zinc]

Haven't done the clear but you could just flash with m320 or beanbag him, unless that somehow triggers the vest

[south flame]

I'll try beanbag

[foggy zinc]

might be worth trying to lower FPS maybe and lower basically all other graphics settings. I'm no performance nerd but try basically shutting off everything and test from there.

[mighty elbow]

wait really yo

[noble pebble]

ive tried everything at this point, maybe just wait till its more optimised

[onyx axle]

• check your thermals
• close ALL background apps
• turn all settings to the absolute minimum
• whack DLSS on maximum performance

Work your way up from there

that's what I had to do with my laptop (i5-11, RTX3050 4GB, 16GB)

even then I was lucky to push 40

some maps are also just easier on the fps than others

[fading quiver]

one time i got a run without any bombers

[noble pebble]

yeah thanks mate

[south flame]

Ok yea beanbag takes bombvest guy down immediately, thanks

[candid light]

These AI subtitles are hilarious today I got "You see too? preach in clear."

[onyx axle]

are there any mods that nerf the enemy AI this is stupid

[noble pebble]

I got it running now, 1080p instead of my native, dlss quality, everything medium except post process, anti aliasing and view distance it still only uses 50% of my gpu so if anyone else ever had any issues maybe just wait till optimisation is better with the game ?

[mighty elbow]

convert them to the glorious church of the god emperor of mankind

[onyx axle]

are you using DX11 or 12?

[mighty elbow]

any tips for tax evasion?

[noble pebble]

I've found dx11 to work best

[onyx axle]

Yeah I was going to say, stick with 11

[dense quest]

yeah there's plenty, go to nexus mods and search "no crack"

[onyx axle]

knew there'd be a specific term lol

[candid light]

Give me 12ga. frag rounds and by the Emperor Amos Voll will be nothing but a torso

[frail quartz]

Remember to make sure the tripwire set up at your front door is tight enough to where you can't crack open the door without setting it off

[dense quest]

I think if you only write "AI" you'll find many, but the no crack one is the most common rn and it works well imo

[candid light]

"No Crack for AI is way too easy" is perfect for me

[noble pebble]

Well I can only blame myself, I bought a laptop recently for music and productivity stuff, went with something higher end in that realm never thought about gaming until I saw some Ron tiktoks and decided to buy it

[onyx axle]

I mean just stick with 11 in general, 12 is for the higher end GPUs

as a rule of thumb ive found anyway

[mighty elbow]

yeeeeeeeeees dew it

[noble pebble]

Yeah well at least with some help from here I've got it running at 60fps at the moment and current mission I'm on with the occasional little hiccup down to 50 or so fps hopefully it's gonna be okay now I was near ready to give up 🤣

[onyx axle]

it was such a relief for me when I got a desktop and I could play at more than the bare minimum

I game on the go sometimes but this is one of those games my little laptop will NOT take well enough

[noble pebble]

Yeah, a desktop build is on the cards for later on this year but I also want to do quite a bit of traveling so I'm just going to have to suffer with it till then, all the best anyway

[onyx axle]

ffr, if you get/build a PC, make sure the GPU has at least 8 gigabytes of VRAM. that's what I'm running at and its maxxed, but on high settings @ 1440p I'm still hitting >100FPS

not even just for this game though, lots of games now need heaps of VRAM

I'm surprised nvidia still make cards with just 4

[noble pebble]

Ah for when I actually save up I'm not going to cheap out I want it to be something I keep for a couple of years

Still bouncing between xbox and my laptop rn it's a good balance

[mighty elbow]

you could do a pre built i got mine from NZXT it was on sale but when its not on sale its $949 or something like that

[noble pebble]

I want the excitement of building a pc

[onyx axle]

Don't dismiss second hand parts then. I got my GPU (Radeon RX 5700) for £150 second hand, and its an absolute legend

[mighty elbow]

does the ak hit hard?

[tawny ravine]

just gets amd then since they're cheaper aswell

[onyx axle]

Oh yeah 12+ would be ideal but they tend to be a little pricier and as long as you are okay with reducing your graphics settings to med/high and enabling FSR when needed, 8GB will do fine for a few more years at least

then again, I've had to deal with 2GB until circa 2021 and then 4GB until the start of this month, so I might just be used to sacrifice :^)

[foggy zinc]

It hits but not too hard. Not bad by any means tho.

If you want sumn to hit hard run a shotty or SA58

[mighty elbow]

does it hit harder than the 300. blackout?

[tawny ravine]

haven't really tried, but probably not

[foggy zinc]

Don't think so

[livid notch]

or LVAR in .50 Beowolf

[mighty elbow]

wait the lvar fire 50. beowolf?

[hoary fox]

nope, but it certainly would make it better

[mighty elbow]

what does the lvar fire?

[foggy zinc]

300 blk

not sure if the MCX can even take beowulf irl lel

[mighty elbow]

whats the most powerfulgun after the sa 58?

[foggy zinc]

there isn't one

Except shotties again flesh targets ig

[crude prism]

any shotgun > SA-58 > 7.62x39/.300blk > 5.56 > everything in pistol calibers

[livid notch]

download a Sniper or Not mod, which gives hidden weapons

[mighty elbow]

do slugs beat armored suspects?

[hoary fox]

the only thing i dislike about sa-58 is magazine capacity

[livid notch]

like RPD, M249, M24, G3 and many others

[crude prism]

there's like 8 specific suspects in the whole game that can survive more than 1 slug shot

slug is gud 👍

[mighty elbow]

but you might only need 2 or 3 hits to kill a suspect with it even when your running ap and they have no armor