👮ron-discussion

[brittle swan]

this morning after a nice 9 hours of sleep and just 3 attempts i did it

so, suprisingly intact

now i gotta choose either hospital or farm

im feeling hospital is gonna be less painful than farm

[tranquil swallow]

what do you think of greased palms?

[brittle swan]

horrifying, thankfully already completed

took me like 4 days of trying

[upbeat niche]

I just bought the game and I'm ready to get traumatized

[brittle swan]

good luck my friend

[upbeat niche]

Thank you 🫡

[brittle swan]

real relapse hours

[viscid bane]

Imagine you’re a suspect who’s surrendered but have a hidden gun. You just watched 2 of your comrades get gunned down when they faked their surrenders. Should you fake yours as well?

[elfin egret]

Given that my will to live is somewhere below zero then yes

[thorn quiver]

H O W?! We are stuck on the bomber guy no matter how and with what We do hit him hes fine with everything … gas stinger taser pepper balls ..
He just keeps walking until he die or blow himself

[brittle swan]

yeah he seems oddly resistant

[brittle swan]

absolutely i think i have a great chance of killing the 5 man swat team pointing their guns at my head

[brittle swan]

i just kept hitting him, tasers

[viscid bane]

proceeds to eat 7 rounds of 5.56

[brittle swan]

i sure love a swat officer dying due to my incompetence positioning them

[tranquil swallow]

is this @brittle swan and the Brain

[brittle swan]

no brain here

[loud whale]

Elephant would be a good mission, if it werent for the bomb

And the fact I find myself going round in circles trying to find the last civs

and the bomb which is..fuck knows where

[viscid bane]

Cafe and science lab or auditorium

[loud whale]

Ah thanks

Probably missed it because I was rushing

[brittle swan]

shouldnt be

[loud whale]

I say rushing, this was after all suspects were down

[brittle swan]

LETS GO

HOSPITAL S RANK

just 4 more to go

i know farm and datacenter, idk the others lmao

[idle trench]

I think we need some extra stuff from our side and from suspects side like
suspects : can barricade and completely block doors from the other side so they can only open with C2/4 , their traps will not be instakills but more like gas , stinger , flash , shrapnel , trap where you fall one floor down and you need a guy to help you move again , they will have flash lights , or spotlights where we should spot them and shoot them , they could also have cameras and a security room

we on the other side : we need drones , like man even Greek Police has drones , how can a US SWAT team don't , also we could have traps , but not lethal , more like , triggers , where we set up a trap on a door and when someone pass , the trap makes noice , so we know someone is about to ambush us from back , also we could use dogs to sniff out evidence and locate suspects by their smell , we could also use baits like throwable fire crackers to bait suspects out of their cover and ambush them , we could use their profile in order to exploit them phytologically , like the guys on the villa , we could set a remote audio emitter emitting well SOUNDS you know , so we force them out of cover to investigate what is this sound
we could also use environment items to block doors , like chairs (their break after 5-6 kicks) , like furniture to block the door from opening but opening that little to throw a flash and distract them

we could also use something that is used on wars , like you put your helmet on the top of you gun , and you put the top of the helm near the door carcass , on a lean , so the other side thinks you are on the carcass , but you lay down on the floor , the other shoots , so now we know that someone is inside the room and we flash it or bang it with a stinger

also not to mention that we have deployable stairs on game files but not in the game , as well as a 6 - slots grenade laucher and we only use the 1 slot

also a grenade launcher that be can attached to rifles like the M203 grenade launcher which can be attached to a M4A1

[viscid bane]

Why isn’t it possible to make crouch a toggle

[bold sky]

wait is it not?

we have toggle switch for like almost anything in this game

[viscid bane]

No lol

So crouch is almost useless imo

[brittle swan]

just hold it lmao

[bold sky]

you lean more in this game anw

free lean is just crouch on steroids

[brittle swan]

so you make your rifle less maneuvrable for very little use

[earnest wolf]

Had my first deaths on Postal Service. Feels bad. Only 1 officer stayed up with me and two didn't make it

[brittle swan]

great idea

[bold sky]

the only tool that prevents one shot rn is free lean

[earnest wolf]

That warehouse is a nightmare

[idle trench]

yeah exactly , cause different builds

what's the point of having 5 guys all of them identical equipment ?

a shield makes you less maneuverable but it is a tool , a lockpicking removes one slot that you could use on C2 but it is quiter , the m203 would have better accuracy throwing a grenade over a container or inside a opened gap like the 23 mb map , also we are already moving like ducks when we go with shift or not so the diff is less than important to care

[viscid bane]

What an idea why didn’t I think of that

[brittle swan]

your welcome fr

[tired kestrel]

i used wedges and did it on my first try lol

[brittle swan]

lmfao

[earnest wolf]

lol

[mellow gate]

What if shooting was a toggle

[civic zinc]

is the MLO in ready or not supposed to just be MKUltra victims?

im exploring the schizo house in replay mode for the first time

[mellow gate]

Yes it would appear that way

[hardy falcon]

you can, i have it on toggle

[civic zinc]

kinda wanna see what becomes of them

if they bring back the old hotel maybe they could tie it into the MLO

[mellow gate]

I was hoping the ARG would shed more light on MLO sadly its been dead for a year

[viscid bane]

How

[stone bay]

There's a Toggle Crouch on the settings. I use toggle

[mellow gate]

Have tou seen Shane's Ready or Not lore videos?

My theory is Judge might be more of an anti hero.

Maybe he learned somethings about sketchy FISA/USIA dealings. Changed departments for a new start but gets pulled into it again.

@civic zinc

[civic zinc]

that would follow

he's either former fed or just an experienced cop

and by the end of Hide and Seek as well as Lethal Obsession he has good reasons to be wary of both agencies

[plain kraken]

Alright have Pacifier, Negotiator, Nutritionist and Intimidator perks ready to retry S ranking post office

Better surrender with a few shots and compliance yells

[brittle swan]

judge is a cia asset

[brittle swan]

damn on commander mode? mf enjoys pain

[viscid bane]

Judge is John Wick but with the diet+physique of a cop

[brittle swan]

i really dont want to do farm

[plain kraken]

OK this one mofo still won’t surrender after and killed me lol

[mellow gate]

Paul Blart Mall cop dad bod with John Wick shooting skill?

[stone bay]

@plain kraken @brittle swan @viscid bane CHECK GENERAL

[plain kraken]

I better change to bean bag

[brittle swan]

mf what

[plain kraken]

Dunno

[mellow gate]

Does it say that in the lore?

[brittle swan]

theres a document unlocked after s ranking farm

wtf i just did farm s rank first try

[livid copper]

There any good SMGs for armor penetration?

[stone bay]

10 mm should be good and MP7. Idk other SMGs since I barely use it. Maybe P90 is good as well

[livid copper]

Sick

[sudden marsh]

played Ron And felt what true stutter/ bad optimization was like even on dx12

was a horrifying experience than death

[light vector]

Just started playing, I'm on Twisted Nerve looking for the last civ for like 30 minutes

[mellow gate]

Do you need to find it or is it just there upon s ranking it

[stone bay]

What happened to you bro? I haven’t heard anything from you since Deus Ex

[sudden marsh]

Eidos said they shelved deus ex 5

[stone bay]

[light vector]

If I exit the mission without getting every civ, does it fail?

I did everything else

[lucid elk]

The objective fails, but the mission itself shouldn't.

[light vector]

alright, thanks. That last civillian has been driving me insane

it did fail...

whatever, I'll just do it again

[upbeat niche]

So far i have played 2 missions, first was A+, second B, really fun game

[void juniper]

i completed the game and now i cannot acces the outfits annymore

[upbeat niche]

pretty cool how if you go to holding cells in station the people you've caught are in there

[brittle swan]

tarped house, upstairs, straight to the right

[light vector]

alright I'll keep that in mind when I come back to it. Thanks!

[void juniper]

i completed the game and now i cannot acces the outfits annymore but i have the clothes it says complete al the main missions

i even have the achivement the abbducted

[viscid bane]

what

anyways just got jump shot like i was in fortnite

[hasty ember]

How can I help out the translation team for Korean?

it kinda sucks and I can give a little hand

[plain kraken]

What I seriously don’t fking get is

Suspect not surrendering after getting shot bean bag twice and walking away

And then he wipes out two of my teammates

[hasty ember]

If you watch LAPD bodycam footage it ain't necessarily wrong

tbh that sounds frustrating

I only did lethal so far

Using tasers sometimes

[stone bay]

I am raging rn

My dad gave me 2 hours to play ready or not

And playing 2 hours Its not enough

I completed atleast 2 missions

It's stressful

WAIT WHAT

[hasty ember]

try 30 minutes mane

[stone bay]

MY BATTERY WENT FROM 60 PERCENT TO 79

[hasty ember]

nice

[stone bay]

WAIT WHAT

NO IT WAS 60 LIKE 6 MINUTES AGO

[hasty ember]

well nice

nearly 3 percent per minute

[stone bay]

Bro

I am so mad rn becuz my dad never played Ron missions and that's why he gave me 2 hours

And he never knew Ron is hardcore😭🦅

Bro fr 1 successful mission is a full 20-30 minutes

😭

[gloomy thistle]

[stone bay]

I'm telling my feelings rn wtf

I'm acting like a 5 year old mf

Fug that shi

I'm going to bed

[hasty ember]

how old are you dude?

[stone bay]

13🦅

Boutta be 14

🦅🦅🦅🦅

[hasty ember]

how can you take this game jeez...

[plain kraken]

Worse is suspect not responding to taser I shoot so I need to shoot one more time

[hasty ember]

Seriously

[stone bay]

Wdym

[hasty ember]

I really hope the next hotfix really fixes the AI shit

[hasty ember]

I am nearly 20 and I can barely see the disturbing nature of the game

[stone bay]

Forreal but I love disturbing games like gore games

And shooting games

Why most people r not playing Ron*😭

Fun af

[plain kraken]

Not fun if you are trying to S rank

[hasty ember]

it is also quite difficult for other casual gamers

[plain kraken]

It’s a total disaster and a garbage

[stone bay]

Ikr

[hasty ember]

Let's just wait for the AI fix

[stone bay]

BRO WHAT MY BATTERY WENT FROM 80 TO 70

IN 4 MINUTESS

[smoky vine]

I've been procrastinating doing a mission.

I don't know why but I'm procrastinating the shit I do the procrastinate

[hasty ember]

tbh the pre release AI was better

[plain kraken]

The problem is non-lethal weapons

[hasty ember]

they don't do much

[smoky vine]

I don't know if I'm burnt out or what.

[plain kraken]

If they work as they are intended

[stone bay]

Bro if I completed the mission

[plain kraken]

VKS literally doesn’t do shit

[stone bay]

I played the mission again and go brutal

[smoky vine]

when #3 and #4 come out I'll play the game again

[plain kraken]

If some suspects take more than two bean bags to surrender

[stone bay]

Im finna mag dump

[earnest wolf]

the worst is when you kill someone with the bean bag

[plain kraken]

As if I’m fighting against special ops

[stone bay]

Why r u using non lethal weapons just go for the mag dump 😭

[plain kraken]

Learned to ignore pain

[plain kraken]

Because I finished all maps

With lethal is fine

[stone bay]

I see

[earnest wolf]

there's tonnes of videos of people shrugging off less leathal rounds - it just depends

[stone bay]

BRO IM STUCK AT ELEPHANT

[plain kraken]

I might have to consider using lethal and shoot them in the leg for them to surrender

[upbeat niche]

Adrenaline is a big factor

[earnest wolf]

definitely

[plain kraken]

Yeah man like dafuq

[stone bay]

Bro I finished few maps in 1 week BECUz sometimes my dad gives me 5 hours or 4 or 6 or 7. Or 2

[plain kraken]

I don’t have unlimited ammo

[earnest wolf]

I mean in real life 😄

[stone bay]

And now I'm stuck at elephant

[earnest wolf]

but yeah in game it's really unpredictable

[plain kraken]

Elephant is fine tho

[upbeat niche]

twisted nerve is scary bro, they be looking like zombies and you dont know who is civillian

[plain kraken]

Make use of wedges

[stone bay]

Nah it's shitty as hell

[plain kraken]

Control the flow

[earnest wolf]

I wish people would stick to giving up. It's not a surprise when they pull a knife or gun because they do it 75% of the time

[hasty ember]

hoping for the AI tweaks...

[plain kraken]

Like there are 5 swat aiming at you and they still wanna pick a fight again

[earnest wolf]

lol

[stone bay]

BRO I FOUND A MOD WITH 100 SLOTS LOOLLLLLLL IM FINNA SPAM STINGERS AND BANG YO

[hasty ember]

That really happened in Las Vegas

5 detectives who were investigating a crime came to the store where the suspect worked at, pointed a shotgun and their handguns with patrol officers

[plain kraken]

Yeah but not every single one of them

[hasty ember]

well true

[plain kraken]

I can’t even look elsewhere

I need to watch suspect moving towards me

[hasty ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK69pi7rwZI&pp=ygUYZG9udXQgb3BlcmF0b3IgbGFzIHZlZ2Fz

embed fail

[civic zinc]

i really wish that the trailers would come in when you get bring order to chaos not when you complete every required objective

if they could search the map for the one cunting civvie whos hiding in the 4th dimension instead of me id be very happy

[last seal]

i have a question about armor. i can’t really perceive a speed difference between medium ceramic and heavy ceramic armor, besides an extra two slots is there any other advantage to medium armor over heavy? i was also wondering about coverage. does choosing full coverage impact your speed or maneuverability at all?

a lot of the information out there when i searched is pre-1.0

[barren finch]

i dont think full affects speed etc, the only noticiable difference for me is between ceramic and steel; steel absolutely kills ur acceleration

[viscid bane]

Actually?

[stone bay]

In an elephant?!

[viscid bane]

Ayo

[wispy bramble]

There are like 4-5 suspects there if im not mistaken

[plain kraken]

Alright time to play some mod maps since I gave up S ranking till hotfix

[viscid bane]

To get the 99 swat outfit do I need to complete all levels in single player or will multiplier do

[stone bay]

That’s cause the speed has no difference at all between Light and Heavy armor. It’s the acceleration that’s being affected and the armor plating you use

[brittle swan]

mp should do

[ivory kiln]

I think there should be a after mission stats to see how well you and your team did

[mystic stream]

will people be sending in classified weaponry documents to devs for realism just like warthunder?

[ivory kiln]

Things like kills shots fired accuracy etc

[stone stump]

no, because ron is not trying to be realistic gun wise (or any other way apparently)

[viscid bane]

Not like there’s anything classified about rifles honestly

Whenever I to use the stickers/emojis on this server it crashes discord

Epic

[gloomy thistle]

pORT TIPS??????????

[upbeat niche]

You should be able to see your personal best on maps when you are selecting them

not just when you finish a mission

[chrome pagoda]

this

[patent parrot]

I’m at the new police station am I regarded where do you go to do missions 😳

I can’t find the Briefing Room or whatever it was before where you selected missions

[upbeat niche]

first room to the right when you enter

[patent parrot]

Got it thank you

[viscid bane]

Don’t play it

[bitter mason]

god damn it I just missed an S rank on sins of the father because two ai teammates just walked into a firing line on a breach

because cs gas doesnt actually have that much range

literally nothing I could have done about that

a stinger or flashbang would have been blocked too so

map design moment

[sly elbow]

That’s rough

[winter shadow]

Commander mode only

[tight frigate]

i did it in practice mode

[frail quartz]

That's just what they WANT you to think!

[sage plover]

I got sent her by the Jonathan Ferguson from the Royal Armory

[frail quartz]

The government has AR-30's and AK-94's they're hiding from the public

All apart of their conquest to force the american public to uhhhh uhhh i don't fuckin' know, recycle? Yeah, that sounds good, force them to recycle

[winter shadow]

Or that

[timid acorn]

HOW ,PLS TELL ME IM GOING INSANE

[brittle swan]

kept rushing in, gas fisa area, try till it works

[timid acorn]

i can clear everything but the damn wearhouse

[brittle swan]

use aialot,pray for good rng

[ivory kiln]

does anyone have any tips for carriers of the vine

[brittle swan]

pray and go slow

[mystic stream]

make your bots do as much as possible

[lime wigeon]

literally every map

[mystic stream]

swat ai just like the suspects - is batshit insane and probably should reduce its heavy drug use.
Buuuut... you can use their ESP and instant headshots to your advantage.

[brittle swan]

gresed lethal is alot better than non lethal

[timid acorn]

can u get s from it?

cause my issue is the cop

[fading hemlock]

A man discussing his political ideas and your outside his door with a battering ram and you hear: "Happy nation living in a happy nation. Situations. Living in a happy nation!"

[mystic stream]

S rank on what?

[brittle swan]

lethal no

[timid acorn]

greascd

[fading hemlock]

How do i get ALL the AI to go non-lethal.

[mystic stream]

S rank means you arrested all the suspects, obviously nonlethal

[mystic stream]

give them all nonlethal weapons

[brittle swan]

s rank is no down officers and arrest all

[mystic stream]

yes

[brittle swan]

take sidearm ammo awayaswell

[fading hemlock]

would it work in practice mode or do they just bring whatever they want

[mystic stream]

what is practice mode?

[brittle swan]

i do my s ranks in practice

[fading hemlock]

just a different mode where u dont have tolook over your staff like its a school

[brittle swan]

no officer traits, restart anytime

[mystic stream]

where is that

[fading hemlock]

Singleplayer - Practice

[mystic stream]

fucking hell how did I never notice

[fading hemlock]

I don't have any friends lol to play RON with... All the ones i have never reply.

[brittle swan]

#🔎looking-for-players

[lime wigeon]

i cant wait for ron to be playable

[heavy marlin]

got a question, does this whole "mod detected unofficial score" shit affect the rewards in any way (in terms of customisation accesorries)

[brittle swan]

no

[viscid bane]

downloads cosmetics unlocked

[ivory kiln]

they do their i just need them to not die

cuz i just got that house with the tree and one of my guys died

[stone bay]

every map ever. Except prolly Ends of the Earth

[heavy marlin]

can you get the acessories only in commander mode?

[stone bay]

Naw you can get em in MP as well

[heavy marlin]

FR?

[livid notch]

mods do not interfere with your rewards

[stone bay]

Ye I got watches just from clearing some maps with friends

[stone bay]

You can get accessories as well from Practice Mode; though, if you're achievement hunting, defo go Commander Mode

[tough spire]

If I made a beginner's guide for Brisa should I post it to #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art or should I post it to Steam and link it here when people ask?

[sharp fulcrum]

achievements work in practice too

[stone bay]

Oh ik. That's where I got "Way Out West" but sometimes it bugs out

I still haven't gotten "The Hanged Man" and I'm this close to using the extra slots from Gunfighter mod and just have like 10+ flashbangs, more than 5 taser cartridges

[sharp fulcrum]

never had them bugging

[livid notch]

to het the hanged man, you can just do nothing and let the AI do the work

I sometimes used bangs or taser from time to time, but thats it

[stone bay]

That’s what I did as well

Still didn’t get it

[livid notch]

k, thats weird, I got this in the first attempt

[stone bay]

Did you make them use throwables? Use breaching methods?

Did you arrest suspects or detain civis yourself? Or let the SWAT AI do it?

[livid notch]

AI took regular gear, so yeah, they were using C2, stingers, masterkey shotgun etc.

I think I detained some of them, but cant recall

for way out west I just had revolver all time and all job done by AI, even securing evidences and cuffing

[stone bay]

Yeah that’s where I start to get confused. Idk what I can and can’t do to get the achievement

[stone bay]

Mhmm that’s how I got it as well

Maybe I shouldn’t restrain civis or suspects myself

[stone bay]

You can just carry taser cartridges? I thought it was just extra tasers

[livid notch]

that should work, but nevertheless - achievments should be better scripted

[vague socket]

hey do u guys know whgat to do if all the sudden my RON files kinda just r not on my computer anymore

[livid notch]

there is a limit of 4 spare cardridges, even if you pick more

[vague socket]

i cghejkced everyere

[tough spire]

Verify Integrity of Game Cache in Steam

[vague socket]

I did nothing ahppened

[tough spire]

Reinstall?

[stone bay]

4 max I believe. So I just allot some of the slots to more flashbangs

[vague socket]

nothing is working so ima stuck on askjing my buddy to send me the files or just re buying it off a diffrent account becasue that is not working either

[tough spire]

If reinstall isn't working you will need to contact Steam, not us

[vague socket]

ok justy wodnerting if u guys had any suggestions

[heavy marlin]

what are the soft objectives on the beach house map?

[tough spire]

Bag of cash in bedroom

[stone bay]

Money on the couch

[livid notch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3113593191 - the list of secondary objective

[heavy marlin]

ye found it

thx did s on the map

[plain blaze]

Anyone know how to unlock the downstairs area where you can use weapons on the test dummy?

[dim swallow]

yo how does the bomb vests work in the game, i havent played club in coop so my ai teammates usually makes quick work of the hand members, do they work like a deadman's switch or smth

[crude prism]

Civilians strapped with bombs are deadman switches. Suspects have to manually detonate the vests they themselves wear

[stone bay]

Go MP solo or complete more than half the missions in SP

[plain blaze]

is that after the postal office?

[stone bay]

No clue

[tight frigate]

if they have a yellow mask cap them in the head
if they dont spam F

[stone bay]

I just saw it available when I got half the missions done

[dim swallow]

ah righty, so if i shoot the bomb suspects in anywhere but the vest it wont go off yea?

[plain blaze]

i think its the postal office and i cant do it single player its too difficult

[dim swallow]

or do i have to explicitly aim for the head

[crude prism]

You can shoot the suspect ones as much as you want and they won't blow up.

[dim swallow]

wait you can even hit their vests ?

[crude prism]

yeh

[stone bay]

F. Just use AI mods if you’re just going for cosmetics like tattoos and get it over with

[plain blaze]

fuck mods bro

[tight frigate]

clear the front office up until the entrance to the loading dock and big warehouse, then go to the right side, clear the side building, wedge all the warehouse doors you can, then assault the left side with the open loading bay doors

or just download No Crack For AI

[tough spire]

My man 👊

[plain blaze]

using mods straight up ruin the point

[tight frigate]

would you use the george m mod tho??

[tough spire]

What's the George M mod?

[plain blaze]

the george m mod

[tight frigate]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3399

mind the embed fail

[tough spire]

It's beautiful. I might use that.

It doesn't affect gameplay at all.

[brittle swan]

Lmao

[stone bay]

Alright enjoy suffering more

[timid acorn]

i swear if this works

im gonna try it

[plain blaze]

it does

[tough spire]

(Skill issue)

[plain blaze]

i usually just take 6 flash bangs and thats it

[stone bay]

Ong especially that I play on a low end device

[tough spire]

Oof. Yeah that's brutal

[plain blaze]

hopefully they optimize the game a bit more

[stone bay]

I can’t react faster than the -170 ms or lower reaction time of suspects when I get only 40 fps max

[shy tulip]

If you think about it, the lower the FPS, the more time you have to react irl

[plain blaze]

[tough spire]

Big brain Sinner over here minmaxing virtual reality itself

[stone bay]

[plain blaze]

my friend has seconds per frame

[stone bay]

You best believe my screen will freeze soon as I’m about to get fired upon

[plain blaze]

i can get a comfortable 150 fps on ready or not

[tough spire]

As a general rule you just don't want to engage in fair fights anyway, don't let their reaction time weigh against yours, strike first however you can

[stone bay]

I never fight fair

Cause I send in the SWAT AI and let them deal with it

[viscid bane]

AI is a generous term I prefer to call them terminators

[stone bay]

It’s how I’ve gotten 16/18 S ranks at this point

Cause I just never get involved

[plain blaze]

be cool if there as a DLC where a criminal gang breaks into the LSPD hq and does the reverse on the swat team

[stone bay]

Only when I know I can get a good throw in for gas when the SWAT AI will fuck it up

[shrewd oriole]

[stone bay]

You should see how I dress them #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[civic zinc]

so i have the mod sniper or not which lets you use a bunch of guns normally unavailable to the player, and also for some reason puts the mp9 and mp7 in the secondary slot

i gave an mp9 to my swat ai with a shield when i was modded but forgot to remove it when i went to safe mode, when he breached a room he dropped the shield, and when we went back he secured it as evidence

[tough spire]

Mp9 makes sense. The Mp7 not so much. That thing is huge.

Sorry what was the question? I got distracted by the love of my life, the Mp9

[civic zinc]

not really, its a pretty small and light gun

[tough spire]

It's about the size of an mp5 folded.

Sorry, I should say "huge" for a secondary.

[civic zinc]

i was just amused by the fact that he dropped the shield and folded it up into a little package to secure as evidence

[tough spire]

Oh yes. The evidence baggies are hilarious

[civic zinc]

especially when it was HIS OWN SHIELD

[tough spire]

We run around stuffin' contraband into Mary Poppins bags.

I didn't know AI could drop their own gear at all

[civic zinc]

it was probably a bug because he had a secondary equipped that isnt supposed to be used with shields

[tough spire]

LOL that makes sense

[civic zinc]

it works fine when i have the mod loaded

but i was playing in safe mode

fun fact: you can use an m14 in the vanilla game as long as you equip it while modded

[tough spire]

Does it have working animations and sounds!?

[civic zinc]

surprisingly so

[tough spire]

Sounds like they intended to add it at some point, or plan to eventually

[civic zinc]

it was still in the hands of npcs until 1.0 when they removed the farm map with MLO enemies

i do hope they make it available normally again, especially since its in the display case RIGHT BY THE FRONT ENTRANCE

WE GET TO USE THE HELMET, WHY NOT THE GUN

[frail quartz]

The devs shall allow you a M14, but only a modernized/tacti cool variant

[shrewd oriole]

Worse then death

[civic zinc]

[fervent orbit]

Any tips for s rank singleplayer port? I feel like the enemy spawn spots are sometimes so bad on this map

[stone bay]

Me playing on vanilla with my low end laptop

[civic zinc]

maybe they could add it in a bundle of classic style weapons along with the m16 and a wooden ak

[stone bay]

Tbf I was doing good…. Until I got to Greased Palms. That’s when I started modding. Never played Vanilla again since

[civic zinc]

i play vanilla now and again, i wanna get all the achievements done vanilla at least because it would be bad form to say "i did this difficult achievement with a mod that makes the ai easier" even if the ai are probably gonna be made easier to fight some time soon

[dense quest]

Finally played carriers of the vine with my partner

Hard af map

[stone bay]

I remember playing for the first time. It was the Adam update and man the suspects were easy ash. Except the old farm fuck that

[civic zinc]

ive been playing since july

i think the suspect ai were overall more fun back then

also old farm was cool

and i want a map where you fight the MLO again, maybe this time with actual lore

[stone bay]

Not when there’s like 20+ suspects for the Raid gamemode. On that small map

[civic zinc]

i liked both versions of it

im the guy that likes hospital because i think clearing several floors of a building is cool so

[stone bay]

Me and my friends use it as a training ground for our newb friends. It was defo a really good map to get you accustomed to the game so fast

[civic zinc]

i want the old hotel back the most out of all the revamped missions, not replacing the new one but being it's own thing

[shrewd oriole]

Why not the burger place?

10/10 mission

[stone bay]

I know the devs stated their reasons but I’d like the gamemodes back. I loved how different parts of the map get unlocked or closed off depending on the gamemode

[tough spire]

I haaaaaated the old Hotel. So many awful angles. lol

[tough spire]

I'm hoping there will be a new mode entirely for alternative playstyles of missions that just aren't on-canon

[civic zinc]

the moment i realised that i missied out on a version where i could clear 4 floors of a hotel i was sad

i like big maps

[frail quartz]

Yeah, there's really no harm in including them as an option after you beat the mission in the original way the devs intended

[frail quartz]

FREEDOM 2 DA PLAYERS 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[civic zinc]

my only issue with that system was there was never one where it had all areas at once

[dense quest]

Btw first garage I enter I see a statue and.. the statue just fucking moved it was a lady that I thought was a statue and it gave me a crazy scare

[stone bay]

Ong or just have them separate from Commander Mode

[civic zinc]

i would appreciate the gamemodes system as long as they always have a version of any given map which includes all areas

[stone bay]

That’s what I loved about it. I alr love that the suspects and civis change every time you replay a map. So having the map change as well from different gamemodes was a nice change of pace

[tough spire]

Right that's what I mean, really. We're on same page 😄

OKAY. First page of Brisa guide done. Yeesh.

[frail quartz]

Eh, I wouldn't really call it "changing the map" moreso than just blocking off areas

[civic zinc]

i didnt mind that there were confined versions of maps, my favourite map was hospital because each different gamemode had different areas unlocked or closed off, but crucially the barricaded suspect version had all the areas available

[frail quartz]

Didn't barricaded suspects end as soon as you got to the beginning of where you spawn for raid?

[civic zinc]

no

[frail quartz]

oh wait

yeah I remember now, it just had that one hallway blocked off at the bottom floor

[civic zinc]

you'd start at what's currently known as the emergency underground entrance

skip a blocked off floor which i dont think was ever accessible, moving up to one connected to a skybridge

you cross the skybridge, clear the rest of the floor, then go back down to clear 2 more floors

it was really cool, almost miss the suspect density it used to have

[stone bay]

Ye ye I forgot to mention I was speaking from playing it for the first time

[stone bay]

I wouldn’t remember cause I barely played the Hospital back in Adam

[prime mural]

wooooooo, i love hitting 15 fps whenever im being shot at

[verbal oak]

My first 8 missions ive gotten either an a+ or s rank, except for Sinuous Trail. WTF am i doing wrong. I always have a problem entering the main server room in the middle of the building since its multi level. Any tips?

[prime mural]

i feel like being able to choose makes me want to go the main lobby all the time bc its safer

[tough spire]

Avoid engaging it as much as possible until the very end, try to bait the enemy out of it first.

[prime mural]

or just probe every entrance that leads to there and try to find free takedowns before u actually push in proper

[verbal oak]

Ill try it. I usually sweep clear the outside and jam up the doors, then begin through the delivery entrance right side of building. Ill go clear out the outer part of interior first and go center last

[prime mural]

i wouldnt push through server maze so fast form the right

[tough spire]

That's more or less what I do. I have a really weird snaking pattern I do

[prime mural]

sweep outside jam, then id go through the middle clear everything, sweep left to clear the kitchen and offices, jam any doors that lead inside, then go outside to clear roof, then go back clear 2f hallway, then push 1f double doors server

yeh u wanna snake back and forth the floors, going all the way either way is how u get shot from the other

[verbal oak]

ill try it from right side entering and snake through to the main entrance.

[prime mural]

whatever u do, just dont clear big rooms without probing as many safe entrances as u acn

[verbal oak]

looking at map, there are so many ingresses/egresses on the back side of building where the server room is. probably better to enter through main.

[versed sleet]

is there any way to skip the "mission commences in 10 seconds"?

[prime mural]

i clear right, push through main double doors, then clear everything until that big double door area that doesnt have doors to the left side server area,

go up left staircase to clear the 2f hallway, then go back to double door(that doesnt have doors) and clear left server, then go back up the 2f hallway, clear everything there, then i go back down and push right server farm from the right side outside loading door

HOLY

zahir screams like a mf girl

[versed sleet]

is there any easy way to murder hobo on commander mode?

[gritty coyote]

I approach from the sides, baiting out some of the fools, then from above, optiwanding every step of the way. I would spot enemies first then cleanly shoot from above. That's the high ground advantage

[prime mural]

maybe make sure ur dudes r content, do it, then do a gas station non lethal right after

[tough spire]

Man my biggest argument so far for "Stealth works in RoN" is the fact that I keep stopping in the middle of this run to screenshot, upload, etc. without pausing the game and nobody is attacking me.

[gritty coyote]

yeah enemy AI becomes predictable after a while. They tend to stay where they are, and the ones chasing you appear pretty quick.

[prime mural]

wow i just shot a guy 3-4 times through a water cooler and it took that many shots

[versed sleet]

do cops take damage from gas grenades?

[gritty coyote]

now, would there be a mod that makes enemy AI become chaotic and randomly decide to change rooms
That would be ... interesting

[crude prism]

Anyone without a mask takes a small amount of damage for every tick they're in gas

[tough spire]

I get trolled here for talking about stealth viability in RoN so it is what it is. lol

[versed sleet]

awesome

[gritty coyote]

I'm not sure if it should be called stealth or just that enemy AI being predictable. Even if they hear you, many just stay where they are.

[tough spire]

Stealth absolutely works. You can sneak up on people very easily.

[tulip slate]

i wish i had live grenades so i can chuck them at amos voll

[prime mural]

i mean what even is stealth

[crude prism]

Suspects 'forget' where you are after a short bit of time as long as you aren't being super aggressive. Too many explosives, gunshots, yelling, etc... Which allows you to get the drop on people again. However, if their stress gets too high, they will permanently enter an active state, even if you disengage

[gritty coyote]

apparently seeing their friends corpses makes them go crazy or sth, and they start shooting randomly at walls etc.

"I will avenge you" etc.

I really need some chaotic AI mod to spice up this game

[tough spire]

Yeah. I'm not sure how this gets lost on some folks.

[final mantle]

Any advice about Port hokan?

[prime mural]

i mean that doesnt really sound like stealth, more like ur just playing the game slowly

[tough spire]

I mean it's more than just that. You can also sneak up on folks and ambush them.

[crude prism]

Unlike other maps, almost everything on Port is usable as cover, use the advanced leaning and you can have some pretty effective firing positions.

[gritty coyote]

technically any stealth game requires you to crawl / move slowly and check every corner

that's the allure really. stealth games are like puzzles

[prime mural]

which is true, but ron alrdy kinda plays like a puzzle

[tough spire]

Staying in concealment, masking the sound of your movements, laying ambushes and overall staying invisible to the enemy unless you are actively engaging them is stealth.

[prime mural]

which sounds good, but in practice, is there anything different as opposed to just shifting everywhere and just barely exposing urself to peek while not aggroing them?

[tough spire]

That's like saying "is driving a car any different than holding down the gas and moving the steering wheel around a little"

[prime mural]

cause i also hit ppl pretty often when theyre not aggroed bc i snake between the map very often but i wouldnt call it stealth

[tough spire]

What you just described are elements you want to implement for stealth. They're not mutually exclusive. lol

[prime mural]

id personally call stealth not letting the ai aggro at all as u carve the map but thats p much impossible

[tough spire]

That's also realistic.

[prime mural]

idk my definition of stealth is prob different

[tough spire]

Splinter Cell levels of stealth isn't feasible in most environments. Suppressed weapons still have a significant DB report, enemies yelling out in pain, surprise, etc. will draw attention. Sound travels considerably differently in real life stealth than a lot of games portray for the sake of gameplay.

[prime mural]

yeah but we talkin bout game stelath

[tough spire]

You might be. I'm talking about stealth stealth. lol

Try stealth in ArmA sometime, they also do it very well. It's insanely intense to try to stay concealed in that game.

[gritty coyote]

stealth against human players?

[tough spire]

Ironically usually easier

[gritty coyote]

yeah I remember just lying in grass in Squad and owned a whole small team

[tough spire]

It's because bots tend to be built with more realistic awareness than human players who aren't paying enough attention.

[prime mural]

well bots tend to know where u are to begin with in many stealth games

in many games, id disagree that their awareness is more realistic, more that they are more aware than any human can be

[earnest wolf]

I used to love sneaking into enemy bases on wasteland

[prime mural]

i.e bots in sandstorm shooting u from what looks like the edge of thick smoke simply bc the particles extend past the coded range

[tough spire]

Huge disagree. Go play a big airsoft/paintball tournament and compare it to how people behave in a video game. Folks on the field IRL are way more attuned to their surroundings than they tend to be in games.

[prime mural]

im not talking about humans, im talking about bots

[tough spire]

That's what I'm saying, though, bots awareness (in well built games) tend to be closer to real world humans than player humans in those same environments

In games like ArmA the players have some degree of hyper-awareness, though, as they have literal zooming eyes. lol

[prime mural]

but why would we want that?

when the player is bound to game environment restrictions, why would we want bots having more humanist perception

[tough spire]

Now it's just a question of preference. I prefer it that way, forces me to work harder/think more.

I want my more realistic games to have more realistic stakes, but like I also love Splinter Cell which is absurdly unrealistic and a blast to play.

Sidenote: Okay page 3 of Brisa Guide for Beginners done. Taking a dang break. LOL

[prime mural]

i personally think games in which you have to actively play around an ai with superhuman capabilities i.e tarkov ai, ends up becoming less realistic simply from the hoops you end up doing to abuse defined ai habits

[earnest wolf]

does officers being stressed make them worse in combat?

[final mantle]

wait is hide and seek the last mission?

[tulip slate]

yep

[austere dirge]

My game crashed and I pressed the reset program data button and I lost all of my progress and my settings got reset, is there any way I can retrieve it back?

[stone bay]

Unless you backed up your saves somewhere, no

[austere dirge]

Steam has a cloud backup, you think if I delete the game and install it again it will restore my progress?

[stone bay]

You could give that a shot

[prime mural]

no

[earnest wolf]

thanks 👍

[low ivy]

Isn't there supposed to be a roadmap? I assumed that would be released shortly after launch

[livid notch]

no, mental state does not affect their mission performance

[earnest wolf]

That's actually a big relief. The last few missions have been pretty rough

[livid notch]

In general I tried to keep my squad in good mental condition, so as soon as they got stressed, I've send them to therapy

[earnest wolf]

I've got guys on the waiting list for therapy lol - not enough slots

[livid notch]

that's why cheesing therapy is important, as when they send them while beeing stressed they are only out for 1 mission

or... you pick you mates which are in stressed/crisis state for non-lethal gas station run

[earnest wolf]

It was going quite well until greased palms then doll house

1 incap 2 dead on palms then 1 incap on doll house but everyone having breakdowns :/

[tulip slate]

methheads irl have nothing on ron methheads. like they're building tunnel systems and trapping SWAT members in their meth dungeons while the irl methheads just sit on their couch and yell at their parents all day

[quiet abyss]

how come im getting no achievements?

[loud patio]

I was playing the game with the sprint mod in commander mode and I got to the elephant and left the game and when I came back I was back on greased palms when I first used the sprint mod

is that normal or no

[livid notch]

for achievments you must play in Commander/Practice mode

[livid notch]

soooo... irl methheads are not a bloodthirsty berserkes without any will to preserve their life?

[tulip slate]

not that, methheads don't usually dig tunnels and cave systems like they're fucking dwarves

[livid notch]

i think that meth is only a part of the game

[loud patio]

I wish that there was a non lethal pistol 😞

[broken jasper]

Is there any button to silently say the ''HANDS DOWN'' thing?

Because wanting to go sneaky, pressing F on a victim and screaming to the seven seas: POLICE DEPARTMENT, DROP DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! is a little bit extreme

[tough spire]

Bane of my every stealth run 🥲

[frail quartz]

HEAVE HO FOR ROCK AND STONE

[frail quartz]

When I tried pistol-only solo'ing gas station, I managed to get the civilians to comply without yelling just from meeleing them a couple of times

[brittle swan]

me playing drg

when can we get pickaxes to expand the tunnels

[loud patio]

does progress not save when using mods??

[prime mural]

No it does, it just says ur score isn't official

[loud patio]

cuz I used the sprint mod when I was on greased palms and then I got to elephant and took a break

and then when I came back I was back on greased palms

[prime mural]

Hm that's weird mods shouldn't be inhibiting progress

[loud patio]

idk it may have been a glitch

[bright valley]

I swear, if I lose another officer because they just absentmindly run past an open door without turning towards it while clearing a room I'm gonna lose my shit.

[prime mural]

Should've had ur fall in command even closer

[broken jasper]

Ok but if the victim looks at you from a long distance and just screams: HELP! or POLICE, HERE, PLEASE completely breaks it

[bright valley]

Playing dipshit wrangler over here

[prime mural]

It's pathetic but it's what u gotta do for u fucking ai to not cross a threshold tryna bag a gun

Do civ call outs aggro suspects? Id say no

[frail quartz]

I kinda feel like the last thing I'd want to say while in the same room as an armed criminal is "Police, he's over here!"

wait

ohhhh

I thought you were asking if, like, civilians actually had voicelines alerting you to other suspects

[loud patio]

me when all 4 of my officers are in crisis 🤪

is there a non lethal pistol?

[prime mural]

Cause shouting will aggro suspects. I'm not sure if civ lines once they notice u aggro, pretty sure not

[frail quartz]

None that your teammates will equip without you asking

[loud patio]

bru

[prime mural]

My guy if ur struggling that hard with stress, just go do a gas station nonlethal

[loud patio]

cuz I sometimes wanna run lethal and non lethal

but beanbag shotty and rifle is ass

[prime mural]

Then run a taser. Don't make ai switch between that

Cause ai dumbass, they're not even gonna switch to pistol unless their primary runs out first

Pretty sure they're gonna still hold primary, aggro on suspect, then pull out their pistol(which there aren't non lethal)

Also,is the new update making me reinstall or something? It's a 1gb update but it keeps telling me not enough space

[marble whale]

It has to patch you’re files so it makes a new copy of the game then deletes the old one. If it says you don’t have enough space then you’ll have to either free up space or just reinstall it

[prime mural]

cringe

[marble whale]

Steam is weird sometimes, not the games fault though

[shadow ether]

Do we need a proper .308 long range rifle with actual long range optics?

Like, time and time again I find it annoying to have to rely on shortfal in open spaces and hallways to the next zipcode

[livid notch]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!

[livid notch]

you can download sniper or not mod, which unlocks weapons hidden in game files - there are weapons like M14 or M24 which should match your needs

[shadow ether]

Does it work for 1.0?

[livid notch]

yup

[shadow ether]

Neato
Gonna go look for it on nexus and get back to you with my experience of it

[livid notch]

ive uploaded the screen on Ron-media

[shadow ether]

M14 honestly sounds like a must have in the game since it's literally a legend gun of a legend officer within the lore

[prime mural]

yo why does c2 move when u open the door

moves with the mf door handle

[shadow ether]

M24 with an eotech indoors
Weird flex but okay

[tranquil swallow]

what do you guys think of steel armor

[shadow ether]

Rarely worth it, even more rarely more worth it than a shield

[lunar quiver]

Spaling more like balling

[livid notch]

ceramic way better

stops all the damage and you're going to be dead earlier than it breaks

[fair crane]

Wait is steel worse than ceramic

[livid notch]

not to mention that a lot of shots hits limbs

[shadow ether]

Super not worth it if you're playing mp with a person who brought a shield

[tranquil swallow]

better to go with kevlar or ceramic?

[livid notch]

steel never breaks, but has damage reduction of 70% (correct me if I wrong)

[shadow ether]

Ceramic

[livid notch]

Ceramic all the way

[tranquil swallow]

kevlar maybe map specific?

[shadow ether]

Kevlar if you're absolutely sure everyone's gonna have pistols (which means practically never)

[livid notch]

not really also - there are no difference in movement speed between kevlar and ceramic

[livid notch]

gas station and thats it

[shadow ether]

Or, if you plan on never getting shot at, but at this point you can ditch the body armor altogether

[tranquil swallow]

pistol caliber. includes smgs

[livid notch]

in all other maps there is some chance that suspects will use AKs, and then kevlar is mostly useless

[tranquil swallow]

what about streamer and meth

[shadow ether]

Enough shots and it's toast, smg shred kevlar armor

[livid notch]

like I said earlier - some goons may have AKs

[prime mural]

might as well just always run ceramic

[tranquil swallow]

and obv stab vest is a death sentence

[prime mural]

it + armorer is pretty nice

[livid notch]

light armour + ceramic plates is I think the best setup

[tranquil swallow]

why not heavy armor

[shadow ether]

Imma experiment with weird loadouts and kevlar is in none of them
And in none of my serious loadouts too

[tranquil swallow]

heavy + ceramic

[livid notch]

additional plates on upper limbs doesnt seems to work, so you lose 2 equipment slots for nothing

and additional mag, wedge or nade is always useful

[chrome kiln]

Also in some cases Heavy armor kills the extra bit of mobility that allows you to duck to cover, even with the low ready speed boost

[livid notch]

if you use steel plates with heavy armour you'll get very slow startup, which is a very big issue as you often will start-stop

[fathom panther]

wsg

[shadow ether]

At that point isn't there more point in just bringing a shield if you expect to be shot at that much

[chrome kiln]

Yeah heavy armor with anything but ceramic is not a good fit

[fathom panther]

kevlar better

[livid notch]

shield is always useful, even if not deployed

[shadow ether]

Never get shot in the back again
Not even by teammates

[bold sky]

misinformation going ham in this chat again it seems lol

[slender adder]

yeah limbs don't get protection but heavy gives side coverage

[chrome kiln]

Found the steel plates user

[slender adder]

with light your sides are exposed and would take full damage, you weren't supposed to be able to have side plates with it

[livid notch]

most of the time i get shot from front or back, so side protection is not really worth the hastle

[slender adder]

yeah it's preference

[shadow ether]

Since shield is somehow a special slot and not a primary slot it seems to me that a shield + fn57 + m14 is a heaven combo

[fathom panther]

is it bad that my pc is melting the plastic frame

[livid notch]

p90 as backup is weapon of choice

[shadow ether]

Mine so far is mp7

[chrome kiln]

Shields not being primary still doesn’t make sense to me, even from a gameplay perspective

[livid notch]

also good call

[fathom panther]

i legit can cook an egg on my computer rn

[livid notch]

this make shield very op

[shadow ether]

Add some bacon to it

[frail quartz]

To be fair, where is the shield going to go while unequipped where it won't get in the way of other special items?

[shadow ether]

Very simple, large special items and shield don't hang on the back at the same time anyway

[chrome kiln]

I have no problem with the shield staying on the back while you hold something else, however you should not be able to carry a shield and a FAL at the same time

You’re way too self-reliant that way

[frail quartz]

You can't just have it always deployed though, like half of the interactions are disabled while you do

[shadow ether]

||also I would easily trade not having a primary with my shield if it lets me taser and lob grenades from behind it||

[shadow ether]

When you need it undeployed you take your optiwand and it's all gucci

[chrome kiln]

If you make the choice to bring a shield it shouldn’t be a situational tool that you bring out whenever it’s convenient, it’s a genuine trade off that takes away a lot of options from you most of the time

[frail quartz]

What about when you're jamming a door, bagging an item, opening a door, or anything else?

oh wait...

I mean I guess you can open a door with the optiwand equipped

[native rune]

I kind of agree a large shield strong enough to tank rounds from rifles would be pretty heavy

[shadow ether]

This
The shield is OP in a ton of scenarios and it should be making a shield dude useless for half the interactions, dude's literally a mobile wall for the rest of the team that can shoot a pistol

[chrome kiln]

Even if you ignore the realism aspect it’s a terrible balancing choice, you have way too many options as a shield bearer currently

[tranquil swallow]

scoops the boop

[native rune]

I was watching that real swat officer YouTube guy and he said the shield would never be just kept on your back it would be a designated device that would require you to carry it with one arm at all times and perhaps even both arms

[tranquil swallow]

is optiwand unrealistic?

[livid notch]

not to mention that operators had to be really jacked to move reasonably quick with such gear

[frail quartz]

...that's a pretty fair point

[native rune]

At least one capable of reliably stopping numerous rifle rounds

[frail quartz]

It's a fictional device, so yeah

[shadow ether]

How the hell would you equip and unequip it on the back anyway
Is the shield on a sling?

[native rune]

Not like a simple riot shield

[shadow ether]

The way it can look under literally any door, yes

But besides that it's realistic

[native rune]

There are kinda devices like the mirror gun in real life but (according to the real life swat guy again) they’re not very practical or applicable as they are in game, in real life most doors wouldn’t even suit it

[frail quartz]

I also now realize nothing's stopping you from just holstering your pistol and reaching around to twist the door knob

[prime mural]

im sure the technology is nearby

[livid notch]

not to mention that all operators seems to be a qualified locksmiths

[tranquil swallow]

a lot of doors irl don't have a big gap at the bottom

[livid notch]

braking any lock in 2 seconds? pretty neat

[prime mural]

part of the lsdpd swat training manual

[shadow ether]

And bomb squad as well

[hollow cliff]

a halligan makes me a qualified locksmith

[tranquil swallow]

breaching shotgun is the most realistic

[neat robin]

anyone else here think they should add the PP-19 Bizon

[prime mural]

Commie alert

[frail quartz]

That's super unreliable, isn't it?

[slender adder]

ugh yeah of course US SWAT officers would have access to a niche russian gun

[prime mural]

The mag probably, the guns fine

[neat robin]

hey man they got the SLR

[livid notch]

kind of but not really - you can breach the doors from several meters

[slender adder]

SLR is american

[prime mural]

Which is a Chad American ak

[shadow ether]

I don't think normal swat can roll up to an armed explosive device and snip snip it into being disarmed

[neat robin]

if LSPD SWAT can get a fucking LVAR they can get a bizon

[slender adder]

they should get nuclear bombs

[shadow ether]

First of all, why
Second of all, why bizon and not vityaz

[frail quartz]

To be fair the LVAR isn't actually a real LVAW, it's just a normal MCX customized to resemble one

[livid notch]

yup, helical mags were junk, so they made KP-9 Vityaz with regular box mag

[tranquil swallow]

what about adding the Kriss Vector 9mm and .45 acp variants

[chrome kiln]

Realism aside I don’t really see a niche use for it, there are other guns out there I’d rather see

[prime mural]

Rly? I feel like an American PD would be way easier to get mcx than a Russian Russian gun

[neat robin]

the bizon is just a unique and funky gun and i wish it was in more realistic games

[bold sky]

we already have the ghetto kriss vector in the game and its arguably one of the strong guns too

[prime mural]

It would be like a p90 but shittier

[chrome kiln]

Sure but RoN isn’t the right place for it imo

[shadow ether]

Also isn't it for 9x18mm

Like, why

[livid notch]

there are still fair amount of weaponry which can be included

[bold sky]

with the lore of this game you can expect gun variety to not be there lol

if they are gonna say lspd is poor for everything that kinda solves it

[shadow ether]

P90 has armor piercing rounds, bizon has armor patting rounds

[prime mural]

They have multiple chamberings

[prime mural]

Hence the shittier p90

[shadow ether]

Well no wonder they're poor, they bought all the ar15s in the state

[frail quartz]

The only reason police departments in Alaska use AKs aside from reliability in the weather is because the 7.62x39 cartridge has more stopping power for the large animals that roam there, getting an AK chambered in a pistol round kind of defeats the point of that

[prime mural]

I don't think they're poor anymore. I think it'd understaffed now

[livid notch]

poor LSPD
P90s, Five Seven, MCX, MP7 with any amount of ammo you can carry, alongs side with modern plate carriers, nvgsetc.

[shadow ether]

Probably leftovers from better days

[slender adder]

they are still underfunded, the chief is asking for public donations

[hollow cliff]

to be fair the money for swat probably doesnt come from the department, but HSI grants

all our teams' shit is from that

feds love giving away cash

[frail quartz]

The majority of the weapons are canonically meant to be hand-me-downs iirc

[slender adder]

I don't think there's anything that mentions this in the game

[shadow ether]

Which leads me to a point of us desperately needing M14

[chrome kiln]

at this point the LSPD should consider a leveraged buy out and fully turn into mercenaries that’s how most of the playerbase clears levels anyways

[livid notch]

"we have some methheads riding the gas station? I'll take P90, five seven, and nvgs, because why not" 😄

[frail quartz]

Also, what are considered non-modern plate carriers? They're just fabric harnesses to hold the plates themselves, aren't they?

[hollow cliff]

6094a baybeeee

[prime mural]

Most likely happened tho given how often it happens irl

[shadow ether]

I mean they were in the armory

[prime mural]

Someone with mods should look at the mk18 markings and see if it says anything

[livid notch]

I meant more like plates itself

[frail quartz]

I thought I remembered reading it somewhere, but even then you can probably infer it judging by a good few of the weapons being older variants like the MK18 and MCX

[shadow ether]

Though ngl it was kinda fun clearing the gas station with only a glock and a shotgun, literally no more loadout

[frail quartz]

Ohhh... So what's considered non-modern plates?

[shrewd oriole]

Steel.

Old ceramics.

[chrome kiln]

the competitive advantage of a firm that produces tactical gear can be measured by their number of appearances on fog’s Instagram page

[livid notch]

in the past to stop rifle round steel plates + kevlar were used

[bitter kiln]

what are the constraints to the hanged man achievment? based on the description i have completed it 3 times in a row now and it has not unlocked

[slender adder]

apparently you can't use NVGS

[hollow cliff]

meanwhile First Spear rakes in international govt contracts with basically no social media presence

[bitter kiln]

equipped entirely or just generally using

[slender adder]

using I guess

[bitter kiln]

i haven't used them at all

[shrewd oriole]

The achievements to unlock are very odd and vaugw

[livid notch]

1. play commander mode/practice mode
2. all gear you can use is taser/bangs
3. Squadmates can use any gear
4. You can use NVGs
5. Unconfirmed, but let the AI to secure guns, suspects and civies

[frail quartz]

But yeah, my mind is torn between the aesthetic of "Underfunded PD mostly using hand-me-down gear" and the asthetic of tacticool operators with top-of-the-line gear

[livid notch]

so you just hide and give orders to AI to do the heavy lifting

[shadow ether]

I vote for underfunded pd

[shrewd oriole]

They def switched from the first to the ladder real quick

[bitter kiln]

ok, i alredy did all that apart from getting friendlies to secure so i'll try that

thanks

[frail quartz]

Yeah honestly I kind of think the former has a lot of potential, no matter how much I love the latter

[chrome kiln]

I just stick to whatever would make the most sense for a PD of that size, regardless of lore considerations

[slender adder]

are we talking about the early RoN aesthetic

[chrome kiln]

No drastically outdated gear and weaponry, no boogie expensive federal shit either

[hollow cliff]

thats the fun of RoN. You actually have to just make your own lore. Thanks devs.

[slender adder]

because that was a completely different game

[shadow ether]

Can we have a drastically outdated m14

[frail quartz]

I love my MCX so much though... 😔

[shrewd oriole]

I've got the most expensive equipment on my back and people still are yapping about underfunded? My LVAW says otherwise

[chrome kiln]

I know they make scary modern M14 chassis these days, I’d hardly see how to convince the mayor to put cash on the table for any of these though

[frail quartz]

How expensive is a .300 blackout MCX compared to a normal AR15?

[slender adder]

probably four times as expensive

[frail quartz]

Oh boy....

[glacial trout]

Can we have a grease gun

[shrewd oriole]

5.7 in my holster:

[shadow ether]

I don't need a modern M14 I need the one that is in the PD on the memorial board and an ability to put exactly one long range optic on it

[slender adder]

.300 rounds are double the price of 5.56 last time I checked

[shrewd oriole]

Just the ammo alone is putting the city in bankruptcy

[frail quartz]

That too, the five seven is like, my favorite handgun in the game!!!!

[hollow cliff]

compared to like a rock river or something contractually bought, yeah 3-4x

[glacial trout]

Can we have combat shotgun extended barrel and clip with dragons breathe rounds

[frail grail]

is there any mod that removes muffled voice on gas mask, ballistic mask etc?

[livid notch]

best sidearm

[glacial trout]

Five seven so good

[eager merlin]

no that's the entire point

[frail quartz]

"WASTE TAXPAYER DOLLARS 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 💯 💯 💯 "
-TheRussianBadger

[glacial trout]

I'm gonna hop on the game again after downloading a AI overhaul to make the reaction time slower

[shadow ether]

There's a fkn m14 right in the precinct and I KNOW it works because the plaque says it was used in old operations by a legend sergeant, let me have THAT and the ammo that we cram into shortfal please

[glacial trout]

Can we please get explosive rounds for the funny

[chrome kiln]

pro tip they left it functioning and loaded

[shadow ether]

For the funny we have door explodium family friendly fireworks

[glacial trout]

The guns inside a Americans suit case on a flight:

[frail quartz]

Are police officers allowed to purchase rifles with their own money or can they only be supplied by the PD themselves?

[hollow cliff]

puck charges and fire hoses baby

[hollow cliff]

different in every department.

[frail quartz]

Then I'm gonna assume I bought my own rifle so I don't have to feel bad about lore accuracy whilst I use it

[frail grail]

is there any mod that removes muffled voice on gas mask, ballistic mask etc?

[terse merlin]

From what I've been told, there's a list of acceptable BYO equipment

[glacial trout]

Lore accuracy? It's a game

[frail quartz]

The $20,000 GPNVGs are a different story, though

[glacial trout]

Just go shoot shit dosent matter if its lore friendly unless you WANT that experience

[hollow cliff]

just pretend youre in Harris CO, TX

[frail quartz]

Or was it $40,000?

[glacial trout]

And in that case don't use the gun

[frigid jasper]

Based on a manga

[frail quartz]

I LOVE IT THOUGH!!!!

[shrewd oriole]

40

[shadow ether]

Those are the feds' property they forgot where they left

We'll tell them we found them

eventually

[frail quartz]

"Cool, give them back"

".........uhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[shadow ether]

Exactly how the precinct has enough nvgs for a swat team

[frail quartz]

But yeah I guess I can just stick with the good ol' "LSPD has enough funding for high quality equipment, just not enough for more manpower"

[shrewd oriole]

Nah I go for the grossly over funded and decked out police look

[shadow ether]

You need to pay for equipment once and you need to pay your officers every month

[slender adder]

they are underfunded because they spend 3/4 or half of the funding on gear I think

[livid notch]

especially those who can fit into SWAT teams

[hollow cliff]

and like four bearcats lol

[shrewd oriole]

Zero police cars only Bearcats.

[frail quartz]

Number of employees < Drip

[frail quartz]

Would SWAT use normal police cars?

[hollow cliff]

bearcats are just big ford trucks anyway

[shrewd oriole]

Do they in missions?

[slender adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d52ItFcZWZg

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly.

[shadow ether]

Maybe ex chief spent a fortune somehow on all this fancy gear but right now the funding sucks and we can't afford to pay people for work

[frail quartz]

There's tons of police cars from first responders, yeah

Our squad themselves only ride in the BearCat though

[shrewd oriole]

Bearcats*

Atleast like, 4 of em

[frail quartz]

Which I don't know much about anyways, is there a cheaper, older armored vehicle that are more common among SWAT teams?

[hollow cliff]

not really

we have a bearcat, medcat, and a few vans to deploy from

local SO has an MRAP lol

[shrewd oriole]

Bro the police are massively over funded but they are working in a old train station

[frail quartz]

I thought that was the old one

[shrewd oriole]

They can afford MRAPS, Bearcats, rifles

[shadow ether]

They spent it all on buying every variant of ar15 they could find

[shrewd oriole]

Nah this one too

[frail quartz]

The sign explaining the history of the LSPD in the lobby says the station was specifically designed for the LSPD, wasn't it?

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

It was a train station ong

[frail quartz]

Lemmie hop ingame rq

[shadow ether]

At least it's not an ex museum

[shrewd oriole]

Wait a minute...

[shadow ether]

Imagine needing to get to your office and you need a diamond key and three emblems from statues scattered across the precinct

[shrewd oriole]

Resident evil ahhh police station 💀

[livid notch]

only to change loadout

[shadow ether]

Interrogation room: opens with a club key

[shrewd oriole]

The evidence room unlocks with a three skull medallion tincle key

[frail quartz]

You were right about it being a train station, but where does it mention in the history that it was converted to the LSPD headquarters?

[shrewd oriole]

It doesnt

[shadow ether]

"Yeah mister suspect, please wait for Marvin to go look for a club key because that thing opens like three different things in the building"

[shrewd oriole]

Ig they didn't care to remove the board.

[frail quartz]

The LSPD illegally took it over

[shadow ether]

Is it headquarters? I thought it's just a precinct

[shrewd oriole]

Prob is

[livid notch]

I think it's HQ

[shadow ether]

If it's HQ then wow

[frail quartz]

I don't know any of this police terminology 😔

[livid notch]

pre 1.0 looked more like regular precinct

[shadow ether]

That's really not a lot of real estate to work with for a huge los suenos

[shrewd oriole]

Nope it's a headquarters

The front desk reads "Police HQ services and records"

[shadow ether]

I suppose LSPD is really underfunded as hell
||maybe we could sell all the ar15 variants from our collection||

[shrewd oriole]

Criminal

[livid notch]

sorry guys, we're short on money, you need to take those terrorist with beanbags and pepperball guns, good luck

[shrewd oriole]

The ops aren't getting ahold of my 300. Blk LVAW

[shadow ether]

And also sell that weird g36 and that weird shortfal
We don't mind old m14 instead

[shrewd oriole]

G36 my beloved

[livid notch]

i've downloaded a mod which gives G36C this classic look with upper rail

[hollow cliff]

thats kino ^^

[terse merlin]

The voicemails on pre-1.0 hq were pretty telling about the condition of the LSPD

[shrewd oriole]

Upper rail is ew

[livid notch]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder 🙂

[shadow ether]

Why g36 with no upper rail when you can hk33

[shrewd oriole]

That's wrong

[shrewd oriole]

My name is B. Holder now. And your wrong

[shadow ether]

But shortfal is objectively weird

[frail quartz]

What about it is

Like, realistically 7.62 NATO isn't very suitable for a CQB environment like this, but it works pretty damn well ingame

[terse merlin]

SA-58 is a fun one

[shadow ether]

My only option for .308 is this cqb thing which doesn't do what I need a .308 gun to do because for some reason it's built for cqb

[livid notch]

^this, Rhoedesian Beast is pretty fun

[frail quartz]

What doesn't the SA58 do that the M14 can

[terse merlin]

Run massively over budget

[shadow ether]

Shoot accurately beyond 10 meters

[frail quartz]

If it's about barrel length, that isn't actually a factor in this game

[stone bay]

does anyone have any tips how to not get my whole squad murdered on sinous trail

[frail quartz]

9mm shoots just as powerfully and accurately out of a glock as it does an MP5 in this game

[livid notch]

in RoN from pure performance perspective they are very similar

[shadow ether]

No other thing frustrates me more in this game than not having a long range .308, not even john wick crackheads

[terse merlin]

We barely get engagement ranges further than 30m

Isn't 5.56 effective up to 400

[livid notch]

and on 30m even shotgun with buckshot is efficient enough

[shadow ether]

Yes
And I need it for them

[terse merlin]

Use .300 BLK

[shadow ether]

For CQB I have a pistol

[heady heath]

Ik this is old, but have you found a fix?

[terse merlin]

Whar

[livid notch]

by the way I really like VOID for handling shotguns the way it should be

i.e. effective range of buckshot is greater than 5 meters

[terse merlin]

Shotguns actually having an 80m reach like how it should be is incredibly based

I mean you lose one-shot down ability at like 20 but still

[livid notch]

and 1.0 greatly boosted slug rounds - pre 1.0 they were weaker than beanbags

[shadow ether]

I see a target in the hallway to the next zipcode, I want to be able to shoot once and the target is not a concern

In swat 4 I had that option and it worked fine

[shrewd oriole]

True

Swat 4 sussies are much less meat-bag-ish

[frail quartz]

You mean the suspects went down in even less shots than here?

[shadow ether]

Yes

[frail quartz]

Every weapon either 3 shots or 2 shots, you can't go lower than that right?

[livid notch]

maybe not went down, but two leg shots with .45 ACP should make them reconsider they acctions

[shadow ether]

They frequently went down with one .223 to the chest in my experience

[frail quartz]

That.... sounds a bit fucked

[shrewd oriole]

5.56*

[shadow ether]

It said .223

[shrewd oriole]

If you use .223 I'm sending an angry letter to you

[shadow ether]

If the precinct is giving me .223 to fight crime I am not gonna question them

[shrewd oriole]

It's 5.56 no 🧢🧢🧢

[shadow ether]

I distinctly remember it being .223 in game

[shrewd oriole]

It is but the devs of swat 4 aren't cool

[livid notch]

interesting that police would give civilian version of round

[shrewd oriole]

ITS THE SAME ROUND!!11!

[livid notch]

yes and no 😄

[shrewd oriole]

It basically is

[shadow ether]

Again, if my precinct is giving me .223 to fight crime I am not gonna question it

[shrewd oriole]

It ain't 300. Blk that you can slip into a 5.56 mag and have a good day

[livid notch]

I asked instructor when I was on shooting rage for difference between .223 Rem and 5,56 NATO - .223 Rem generates a bit lower pressure

[stone bay]

If "by a good day" you mean your receiver explodes

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[frail quartz]

Sounds like a steal to me!!

[bitter kiln]

just finished another few attempt and very specifically restrained no suspects and secured no guns (got my team to do it) while trying to get the hanger man achievement and still no luck

[shrewd oriole]

Stealing your life

[shadow ether]

Which might actually be helpful for swat

[frail quartz]

Exactly! 😎

[livid notch]

gun parts will wear slightly slower

same thing is for .308 Win and 7,62 NATO

[shadow ether]

One more reason to use .223

[frail quartz]

Oh, is that what the difference between those two are?

[shrewd oriole]

7.62 Nato to disintegrate a suspect

[livid notch]

yes and there is a fun fact - .308 was developed earlier than 7,62 mm NATO

[shadow ether]

But if I get an M14 I am loading it with 7,62 APs

[livid notch]

miliatry adapted civilian round

[livid notch]

you'll be pretty close to rail gun

[shrewd oriole]

You can hear about the goofiest rounds

[frail quartz]

Was .223/5.56 not a thing before the US adopted the M16?

[shadow ether]

Which is my entire point of hauling it around instead of a primary

[shrewd oriole]

"Yeah I got my .473 bushwaka round"

"HE configuration"

[frail quartz]

"My 700.32 BFG-poopenfarten round fully semi automatic battle assault rifle can obliterate both a robber and my memories of them so I am left wondering why I just shot into an empty hallway"

[livid notch]

seems like the same case

[shadow ether]

Reasons to want a 7,62 ap rifle:

Armored sus in the next area code from me gets shoved both by the front plate being hit and the back plate being hit

[shrewd oriole]

"I got my loudenboomen round to make myself go deaf"

[frail quartz]

7.62 AP so I can kill my fridge when the cold war starts

[livid notch]

we can thing about ultra-AP rounds with tungsten or depleted uranium core

[shrewd oriole]

When can we get he rounds for my .300 blk rifle

I need that suspect DEAD.

[shadow ether]

Imagine taking a bullet into your plate carrier, having both of your plates shove you backwards along with a piece of your chest bones, and you still don't lose aim

Ron sus are something else

[shrewd oriole]

Or surrender.

No pain no game

[shadow ether]

I need to test something

Will beanbags work better if you aim specifically for the balls

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[shadow ether]

Really?

Is that a feature?

[shrewd oriole]

12 gauge ball destroyer

[fair crane]

Bro I swear ceramic makes me die quicker than steel

[shadow ether]

Yes it does because ceramic shatters

[shrewd oriole]

I use ceramic cause it's cool

[frail quartz]

I use ceramic because it doubles as something to put my food on for my union mandated lunch break during missions

[shadow ether]

I mean you could use steel but then you can't put it into the microwave

[shrewd oriole]

Put a steel plate into a microwave

[shadow ether]

"We have C2 at home"

[shrewd oriole]

"Mircrowave, flash and clear."

[shadow ether]

My absolute sides from this shit

[serene crater]

Has anyone had trouble playing multiplayer lately?

[shrewd oriole]

Just loud beeping then a massive explosion

[shadow ether]

I can't get together with my usual crew for weeks but that's not what you are asking right?

[shadow ether]

Yeah that's what happened to my sides

[serene crater]

Nah, I have a crew I play with and we were trying to start a game together the other day..but it wouldn’t allow us to join each others game.

So I’m trying to figure out if it’s an “us” issue or a widespread issue..cause it doesn’t make sense

[shadow ether]

#💻tech-support

[serene crater]

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