👮ron-discussion

[spark hemlock]

aight nah this kid has to be trolling

[rocky latch]

You think recoil control is impossible in this game?

[jaunty pebble]

You are a swat officer. He is a crackhead

[slender adder]

a stray bullet hitting you doesn't mean that the AI is deadly accurate over 200m, they have deceased accuracy over range, numbers don't lie and you are stating something that isn't true as a fact

[viral bone]

Unless you are using aimbot sure man

[rocky latch]

I'm glad you haven't play a game like rust you would have commited seppuku over the AK spray

[cold swift]

Try controlling recoil on full auto m14 bro

[rocky latch]

@spark hemlockSee It's literally a skill issue 90% of the time

[shy heath]

suspect can use weapons like m14 with full auto and its being fully accurate while running is insane

[spark hemlock]

i really dont care

[rocky latch]

I understand people who the A.I to do more, not the people who want A.I to do less

That is my point.

[jaunty pebble]

The problem is not difficulty. The problem is immersion.

[elfin egret]

That

[spark hemlock]

the AI has a ton of issues, ranging from immersion to skill and behavior

we were promised ambient animations to make AI feel human. stuff like pissing, taking selfies, smoking, sitting. guess where that is? it certainly isn't in 1.0! it was taken out of the game in the ADAM update and now it's completely gone

we were promised a SWAT game where the suspects would surrender if overwhelmed. I still vividly remember me and a group of 4 dudes rushing a suspect FROM BOTH SIDES and he STILL ended up shooting even when he was OUTNUMBERED and FLANKED

[shy heath]

I would like to see suspects surrender, try to escape rather than pulling out gun all the time. Just like SWAT 4 they would mostly run or hide and they would surrender too.

[rocky latch]

I mean yea suspects still take gun fights even if they're outnumbered and flanked even in real life

[viral bone]

How is it skill when AI shoots through 1mm wide gaps with pjn point accuracy and speed light reaction

[spark hemlock]

lmfao shut up man

[elfin egret]

With the way AI behaves now it feels like RoN would be better suited as a SF/tier 1 military sim rather than a SWAT sim, every mission ends up turning into a gunfight with fanatical extremists hellbent on protecting their precious bitcoin farm with their lives

[shy heath]

also i saw some footages that they said you can see AI suspects make traps and stuff and meth suspects are punching air. But i NEVER saw any

[spark hemlock]

i want suspects to actually try to evade us. the game should give us the choice of "Do I shoot him for running?? Do I give chase?" rather than having suspects practically remain static while shooting their tec 9s at us

[jaunty pebble]

90% of irl SWAT interactions end within seconds of SWAT breaching since very few people have the will to try and fight them to the death. So they usually are already waiting with their hands up.

Even more so when it comes to druggies

[shy heath]

also the security on mindjot is also a kind of joke. Like they are security and they would surrender. But what happens is they just attempt to kill you instead of trying to run away or surrender

[rocky latch]

If we put 90% as an actual statistic for peaceful resolutions in this game it'd just die

There would be virtually nothing to do in it

[spark hemlock]

there is no realistic SWAT mission in this game lol, you're literally 100% right

all the missions are set into overdrive
weird feminist cult in a compound
2 jihadist missions
2 veteran terror cell missions where they not only shoot a senator, but then also kidnap his family?
crackheads willing to die for their cause (Even though it is shown that they have families and children lol)

[jaunty pebble]

Yeah but not every mission has to be the fucking osama bin laden compound

[viral bone]

At this point guy is just trying meme

[rocky latch]

I agree with this

[jaunty pebble]

I literally had the most fun in the game playing small modded maps of realistic scenarios like a conveniance store hold up with a few lightly armed suspects.

[spark hemlock]

I'm tired of bringing up SWAT 4, but SWAT 4 had actual realistic scenarios.

foodwall restaurant
that other mission where you have to arrest a dude and pick up an illegally modified full auto gun

that is actually cool and sounds realistic rather than meth heads who are digging tunnels lmfao

[marsh lark]

is there a day people will not complain about the AI.

[jaunty pebble]

Maybe when they fucking fix it already.

[rocky latch]

it depends who's complaining and over what

[viral bone]

SWAT 4 had believable AI, and not terminators

[rocky latch]

if people want more features and gameplay yea im pro

[spark hemlock]

VOID profited off of the tactical shooter fanbase and cucked us at the same time with the 1.0 drop

[marsh lark]

I have no problem with it imo

[rocky latch]

the people who want to nerf A.I I'm anti

[shy heath]

Also i dont like the way that the maps too big and even has soo much big story going on. I would like to see normal SWAT missions like in SWAT 4. Some maps was small and had not too big of a lore going on was great. But im not saying remove the lore, it just maps being too big and too deep. Only mission is probably thank you come again is kind of normal

[jaunty pebble]

Not nerf but make them realistic. They should not be pulling off 180 turns and instant headshots.

[viral bone]

Apparently it's an "you" issue

[elfin egret]

I'd say that 213 Park is fairly realistic, save for the weird tunnel part. And that house is absolutely massive and weirdly laid out

[slender adder]

again it doesn't happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmV4VRUfPo

[jaunty pebble]

No the fuck it isn't. It was before the huge second house was added

[elfin egret]

That's what I meant, yeah.

Meant to say "was" realistic ish

[jaunty pebble]

Its literally a modded game to get the gore shots.

[viral bone]

https://youtu.be/HEWlv_ECKak?si=eiMHQr4Z4B6Ummmc

Hahaha

Defend this

Please

[jaunty pebble]

On another note. Why do the jihadists at the club say bismillah randomly?

[slender adder]

that's a legit issue

[viral bone]

And this isn't something that happens once in a while

[rocky latch]

A guy shows, and backs away and gets wall banged

[viral bone]

Really

[rocky latch]

They should make a gamemode where humans try to hold rooms

And you'll have "lots of fun" trying to clear it im sure

[viral bone]

Through smoke

[rocky latch]

That's more of a bug than a feature

But if you disregard smoke the interaction is normal

[elfin egret]

Been a hot minute since my Arabic classes but it's actually a pretty common saying in the middle east

[viral bone]

But why would I disregard a smoke

It was there

[rocky latch]

Because the easy solution to a non working smoke gernade is to not use it until it works

[jaunty pebble]

Before eating food you don't just randomly blurt it out.

[rocky latch]

It's not a game breaking concept

[viral bone]

So gaame is buggy and unfinished

[jaunty pebble]

Except its not smoke... pretty sure thats CS gas which the suspect just didn't react to.

[slender adder]

now that's not even debating whether the usual AI behavior is fair or not anymore

[viral bone]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DiotSQ3rN7w?si=Bmro1wrl-pNyS68_

[rocky latch]

Okay man if you're taking teh debate towards gernades and their functionality then how does this help your point

I told you the interaction minus gernade is justified

[slender adder]

like everytime this discussion gets brought up it just escalates to strawmans and false statements

[slender adder]

do you have any idea how old that footage is

[viral bone]

Nothing changed

[rocky latch]

Dude that situation has literally not happened for like 99% of people

[viral bone]

But it happend

[rocky latch]

I don't think you could get a clip of it in the last 3 months

[rocky latch]

So we should overhaul A.I over a sitaution that happened a year ago once?

[slender adder]

aside from the fact that the AI ignored the gas grenade, did the AI run up and kill all four of the officers here

you are lying when you said nothing changed

I know you are angry but you are pulling shit out of your ass

[elfin egret]

I've been playing since August of 22 and literally cannot tell the difference between the AI then and now. If anything it got worse from where it was in the Adam update

[viral bone]

Well AI plays the same, I haven't seen any videos titled" AI finally works as intended?

[rocky latch]

Dude there's literally a tangible difference, even through the content the other guy showed

[slender adder]

because no one would post a video about it if the game plays intended lol

[viral bone]

That would be you.

[rocky latch]

The A.I we currently have is miles ahead of a john wick coming out killing everyone

Not to mention the real john wicks are the officers with you

Who can pretty much solo missions

[viral bone]

They are too

[jaunty pebble]

Dude no one wants AI to be handicapped elderly but they act as if they were trained by the SEALs

[rocky latch]

But dude do you want the game to be challenging

[viral bone]

Then add difficulty slider

[rocky latch]

Real swat situations have real risk, high adrenaline etc they can't simulate that to account for slow reaction times that exist in real life, so they have to make their reaction times semi fast

We have no real risk in this game so we'll have fast reaction times because we aren't scared, we're zoned in

[viral bone]

If you want crazy AI sure man, I got nothing against it, but don't force it on others

[rocky latch]

If this fixes your problem man so be it

[viral bone]

Why not add AI parameters

So people can adjust to their liking

[rocky latch]

They exist just for developers and modders

[viral bone]

Im sure most if people would be happy with that

[rocky latch]

They have no interface the laymen can access

[grand hemlock]

honestly its doable until you try to get S rank..

[elfin egret]

Fine, if that's the case and there's people who want to play against the AI as it stands now, then at least give us an option for a difficulty slider or something. Because frankly I'm playing this game because I want to have fun. Call me a filthy casual or whatever but I'm not willing to invest every spare second of my life into a video game just so I can "git gud".

[slender adder]

then what's wrong with installing a mod and stop complaining

[viral bone]

Why would I rely on mods

[rocky latch]

There are mods who can already fulfill your wish my dude

[slender adder]

not saying that I support it or I want you to "stop complaining"

but as a matter of fact installing a mod achieves the same thing as a difficulty slider

[rocky latch]

Because they solve the problem

[viral bone]

Dev should do that

[rocky latch]

Sounding like your goal is to complain than actually play the game

[slender adder]

why does it matter to you whether its done by the dev or not

[viral bone]

It matters because I bought a game to play out of the box and not to moddit and fix it myself

[muted star]

Lol

[elfin egret]

Those mods can't fix the fundamental issues with the AI gameplay flow. The AI will still behave poorly and unrealistically, and even if you crank those parameters all the way down they'll still wallbang you to death and spot you through the 3 open pixels in a poorly modeled wall.

[slender adder]

so its an accessibility issue?

[rocky latch]

You're acting like ur gonna code the mod urself holy shit

[slender adder]

like I don't know what you are being angry at

[grand hemlock]

Correction you bought an early access title full knowing its not finished, you have 0 right to complain about stuff like this. you can ask, use mods, or scram

[viral bone]

You trying to convice everyone that AI is fine is hilarious. Entire playerbase complains and it's apparently fine?

[rocky latch]

If you complain about the skill minimum obviously I'd push back?

[viral bone]

@grand hemlock but it's not early access anymore

[rocky latch]

I'm pro the others who want more trigger discipline and more interactions out of A.I

That's a different topic than saying its just muh broken

They want more content im pro more content

[slender adder]

I'm not, it's just you brought up issue X and I said there's issue solver Y and you wouldn't want it

[rocky latch]

But current A.I does things really well and one of those things is making it so anyone who has finished the missions doesn't automatically get to turn off their brain and loop through the maps

[slender adder]

the AI has issues for sure

[rocky latch]

They still have to focus

[muted star]

The Best option now is getting an ai mod

Or you can play vanilla and get mad

[grand hemlock]

facts

the only time i REALY hate the bots, is when playing with less people or going for S rank

[elfin egret]

We shouldn't have to rely on community mods to fix a serious gameplay issue that players at large have been pointing out since early access. That's like selling someone a car without a transmission and saying "oh well you don't like that? Just go get it yourself"

[viral bone]

Lol

[muted star]

No shit but players made it already so why not use it

[marsh lark]

Some people want AI like many AI mods.

The underlying issue with those mods is because it is stupidly easy to clear everything. You do not need any skill, you do not need to clear anything. The AI is literally dumb with any AI mod, the current AI is a good balance as it forces you to play like someone who has brain instead of 12 year olds who run like they are in COD

[rocky latch]

or they can get good?

[grand hemlock]

but is it and problem or a personal issue ?

[muted star]

Ai in vanilla is broken man

[viral bone]

At least car seller would imply that transmission is missing and lower the price

[rocky latch]

all my hours are on vanilla

[muted star]

They track you through the Wall for damn 30 seconds

How's that fair

[marsh lark]

110 hours with vanilla AI playing every day at least 3 hours without any problems.

Only problem I experienced is the laser through a wall for a second, but that happens rarely.

[muted star]

Imo it's a cope

[humble mauve]

I agree to an extent, but if the devs simply change some numbers but there are still underlying issues from things that are external (e;g: holes in walls that they can see through) then nothing much was really fixed. That’s why there are planned fixes coming in the near future.

[grand hemlock]

i tried the popular AI mods, once. it was a walk in the park. less then lethal S rank easy .... so yeah Base AI might not be PERFECT but atleast its not brain dead

[cyan shadow]

Why do SWAT AI check under beds? I've never seen any enemy AI hiding under a bed

[elfin egret]

Yeah, some of us actually work for a living and can't dedicate a quarter of our lives playing games just so we can beat the busted AI.

[viral bone]

Fact that entire player base complains, forums posts all about AI, yt videos make fun of Ai should give you a hint

[slender adder]

they do, chances of that happening is low since 1.0

pre 1.0 it happened too often afaik

[grand hemlock]

seen it ONCE in like 200 hrs

[marsh lark]

Well, I want to let you know that most of the people I play with are over the age of 22 working full time jobs, have enough time to not only play but not have skill issues and fight against the AI on vanilla.

The problem is the wallbanging. If that issue gets fixed there is 0 issues with the AI. Every AI mod is literally a walk in the park, you can chug 10 bottles of vodka with music on maximum and still consistently kill every enemy AI without them even trying to shoot you.

[grand hemlock]

I get that. but it is a Tactical squad simulator though ...
more ppl would be mad is they market it like this but it plays like COD .

[marsh lark]

It does not play like cod. It plays like cod when you play with AI mods.

[grand hemlock]

thats my point.

[marsh lark]

AI made specially so 12 year olds can buy the game and finish it under 1 hour.

[grand hemlock]

but its like selling minecraft for kids. with dark souls difficulty. It will not work or sell, people will be mad.

[slender adder]

I think RoN was always marketed as relentless?

[marsh lark]

They can create AI profiles for maps, sure. Then it creates the problem that over half of the maps will be extremely effortless and easy. The strong AI makes you stay alert and expect the worst.

[slender adder]

as in difficulty I mean

[muted star]

https://youtu.be/EiL1b3obwwI?si=BEjEFzjNg1IbIRiZ
Imma just leave it here when it comes to the ai

[elfin egret]

According to some this is all totally okay and just a skill issue and we're all just trash players

[muted star]

💀

[marsh lark]

Well, I am not going to say you're trash, but in most cases you probably have skill issue yes.

[grand hemlock]

its SWAT. its suppose to be hard challenging.
im mean its called Ready or Not. guess some are not ready ? while i dont say the AI is perfect.
dropping the topic here. nothings gonna change today and ppl are only getting mad. 😛 its a game. enjoy. or find something else you enjoy 😄

[muted star]

You have a skill issue seeing broken ai

[slender adder]

I mean

the video started with a genuine skill issue

[muted star]

Some of the examples yeah

[slender adder]

yeah

[rocky latch]

I don't understand the entire game objective high adrenaline super tense situations but they want lukewarm gas station mission where they show up and guy surrenders

[grand hemlock]

Ive had 1 suspect mow down my 4 companions yes. buts its not the norm. again not perfect

[rocky latch]

Like extraordinary missions are the point

[elfin egret]

Fine, then I just suck. Guess I'm just an idiot for wanting to have some fun after answering 911 calls every night. I forgot that gaming today isn't about having a good time anymore, it's about how sweaty you can get and playing some arbitrary meta. I'm done. I'll just go back to minecraft

[viral bone]

Attacking hospital full of terrorists sure

[rocky latch]

Maybe you should stop being a certified indian microsoft uspport opperator and go serve

[slender adder]

objectively speaking the game does offer you a lot of tools and handicaps

it's really not impossible

[rocky latch]

Yea flash gernade dude

You can literally see whats inside every room

Don't go for S wallbang them through the door lmao

[grand hemlock]

you can pack like 8 smokes. per character. gas the whole map if you like

[rocky latch]

Play your own way

If you want to be a humantarian dude with crackheads ur sadly gonna die even in real life

[grand hemlock]

dude try S rank on the first hotel or post office map. its PAIN xD

[viral bone]

Sure if flashes and smokes worked 100% of the time

[elfin egret]

Except we can't. We're pigeon-holed into arbitrary tactics because any other approach leads to getting one-tapped by a crackhead with a Hi Point at 100 yards just because I didn't fill an entire map with CS gas.

[slender adder]

just using your rifle and peek the areas with your upper body actually makes the game easier

[rocky latch]

idk i never really cared abt the score i just cap a civilian to get out faster

[grand hemlock]

yeah play it slow, tactical. its not that crazy if you go in lethal.

[slender adder]

ceramic armor combined with armorer officer, absorbs 8 bullets at the very least
and even if you bleed, you actually get your health back after patching it up

so force on force combat is, quite unironically in your favor

oh and suspects all go down in 2 shots with proper ammo

proper rifle ammo

[marsh lark]

Right, so there are mods that make it easier right. I think the AI as a base should not change because it is the only thing preventing people from running and gunning effortlessly and the game becoming boring.

[grand hemlock]

partially argee, ive seen my team walk in backwards into a room while "clearing" xD

[cold swift]

It's already boring because to have a chance of survival you need to completely abandon roe and just cap all suspects on sight be it a gas station junkie or a army vet. Which turns the game into a death squad sf of some 3rd world country sim

[muted star]

Making ai fair is different from making it easier

[grand hemlock]

AI should be burtal but fair. not cheating or easy

[muted star]

Depends what you have

[slender adder]

they are already fair, just unintentionally bug out a lot

[marsh lark]

Raising their reaction time, decreasing their accuracy and it is already too easy

Just these 2 things and you will have kids running around effortlessly

[cold swift]

In fact, maybe if ai had any other form of behavior other than charging the enemy head on, then gameplay would be somewhat diversified. Ain't they supposed to retreat, hide under beds and make ambushes?

[muted star]

Again depends what ai mod you get

[slender adder]

they actually do all that except for setting up ambushes I think

[marsh lark]

They do that for me, after they shoot at you they usually retreat or after killing a swat officer they change locations.

[muted star]

Jugs ai for example makes ai behavior more dynamic. Like actually barricading taking cover, hiding

[grand hemlock]

yes but the bugs make them seem unfair/ cheaty. wallbang, see-thru-smoke. eagle eye sight

[slender adder]

wallbang is intentional

[marsh lark]

But editing the accuracy and reaction time, making it too easy to my knowledge

[cold swift]

I, on my life, have never ever seen them or a civ hide under bed or in a closet

[slender adder]

it does happen sorry, just the chances are lowered since 1.0

[marsh lark]

There is no AI mod that makes the AI fair, it only makes the AI breaindead

[muted star]

L take

[cyan shadow]

Agreed. Btw does flashing your own teammates get you a friendly fire penalty?

[cold swift]

if ai is not cracked means it's stupid and incapable
This is a black and white mentality

[muted star]

I think so? Not sure

[slender adder]

flashes no

[cyan shadow]

Stingers? Gas?

[slender adder]

I think stingers do because they deal damage

[cyan shadow]

that would probably explain a lot of my friendly fire penalties

[grand hemlock]

Yo i know know what counts for friendly fire, was doing non-lethal run, and got a FF pentalty of 0 points and it stole my S rank >>>

[slender adder]

0 point penalty doesn't stop you from obtaining S I think

[cold swift]

Once again your theory of personalized ron versions seems plausible

[reef flint]

stingers def do, gases/flashes not so

[slender adder]

true

[grand hemlock]

it did sadly

[grand hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1086336582631563395/1195727316186308618/image.png?ex=65b50ad7&is=65a295d7&hm=ab2a2c7258e3d2e197939fb2ef7eabbc8dd053187eceb69c0d1929c684ef8225&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1184&height=581 Case in question

[elfin egret]

Well that's scuffed

[slender adder]

you have a dead suspect

8 suspects * 35 points is 280

[marsh lark]

Quite literally not what I said.

[muted star]

Seems like you did

[cold swift]

Literally what you said

[grand hemlock]

Huh, well my bad, you're right... AI must have shot him dead -_-

[rocky latch]

Give me a balance that makes the AI not cracked but remains with the same values to not make it stupid like all ai mods do

[slender adder]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3203

[cold swift]

NOOO THIS ISN'T THE SAME

[marsh lark]

I will check it out, sounds promising

[rocky latch]

i was only quoting what the dleeted message of the guy was not for me

[slender adder]

its probably going to be obsolete soon as hotfixes rollout

[muted star]

Hopefully

[slender adder]

its a certainty lol

[reef flint]

will try it out at some point, thanks bro

[grand hemlock]

give the AI an non-lethal side arm atleast, or no sidearm option. i give them 0 pistol mags and they still shoot them with magical bullets

[slender adder]

I'm pretty sure suspect AI didn't get touched back in pre 1.0 because every hand on deck was on adding features

now that it's a main objective to refine them there's no reason they don't get tweaked so idk what the outrage was about

yall treating like there's something to lose to wait

[rocky latch]

me when my 1.0 update isnt completely perfect

[muted star]

It just doesn't feel finished

[grand hemlock]

their puberty ? /s

the less-then-lethal shotty doesnt even have its own propper gun icon 😄 im not bitching just saying

[slender adder]

yeah I don't think anyone would disagree about the game being unfinished

like it quite literally is, unfinished

we have at least one expansion ahead of us lol

[grand hemlock]

yeah, ppl need to either chill or grow up 😄

[marsh lark]

Yeah I think people are taking this full release as the finished game.

[muted star]

Cause it should be?

[slender adder]

gomen... I seppuku now... should have added icons...

[marsh lark]

Not in every case but k

That is mostly for 3A studios, not the case for many Indie game studios

[elfin egret]

I can only speak for myself but it just doesn't feel like an actual 1.0, "full" release. Not saying it needed to be completely finished and without the possibility for expansion/bug fixes, but it definitely seems like they rushed certain aspects out the door at the last minute

[slender adder]

yeah it isn't 1.0

[grand hemlock]

yeeey we all agree on something 🎉

[slender adder]

they called it 1.0 because it's good for marketing, TGA and christmas were around the corner

[cold swift]

Game still feels like EA

[slender adder]

it's good for the project though, this version of the game still packs a lot of punch

[muted star]

Man I don't know how low are your standards but 1.0 implies finished and working product

[slender adder]

so I don't mind as long as they keep up the development

[elfin egret]

I'm also a bit confused because it seems like a ton of features in 1.0 weren't playtested beforehand. We saw a couple small things in the supporter edition, but dynamics like the morale system/commander mode kinda came out of nowhere.

[cold swift]

I'd be fine with it still being in EA after 1.0

[muted star]

And rn half the player base can't run this game in stable 60 fps

[marsh lark]

Man, I don't know how low are your reading skills, but full release does not always mean the game is finished.

[muted star]

Another L take

[cold swift]

What is full release then

Define "full release"

[grand hemlock]

like back in the PS2 days you buy the disc and thats it 😄 XD 0 patches full release hahaha

[muted star]

Mf would buy a finished car and be fine with brakes not working

[cold swift]

One could argue games were way more polished at that time

[grand hemlock]

haha let me get my popcorn

[reef flint]

me be buying a newly built apartment but the toilet is filled with leaks

[muted star]

The game was clearly rushed

[slender adder]

I think he meant to say that it's not finished in the sense of that the maintenance phase of software life cycle, is over

[cold swift]

That much is true

[marsh lark]

I guess you never played a game that has it's full release but it means that most functions are in the game but there will be updates adding the rest?

[muted star]

If so I agree

[slender adder]

yeah that's what he said then

[muted star]

Finished should have EVERY function

Not most

[marsh lark]

Full and Finished is a difference.

[cold swift]

If the full release doesn't have promised functions then it's not a full release. Get off that modern game-as-a-service mentality

[muted star]

Well 1.0 is neither full or finished

[reef flint]

but this isnt really 1.0

[unreal trail]

.98

[muted star]

Then why call it 1.0

Full realase

[marsh lark]

Well, what do you want me to do? Fight it when you have hundreds of thousands of people buying games that are not finished and couple of thousand that are against it. Good luck

[reef flint]

^

[grand hemlock]

well baldur's gate 3 might be a good example.
full release. but did get update adding qol features, etc

[unreal trail]

Prolly cuz Christmas

[muted star]

Ye

Good marketing

[unreal trail]

But i hope the team dont do a the day before move

Just fix stuff up then add more content

[cold swift]

Fair enough

[muted star]

They will imo

Fix stuff I mean

[unreal trail]

They could scrap pvp ngl theres a ton of tactical game designed for pvp already

[marsh lark]

Since RoN never had a roadmap saying that features it should have on 1.0, I do not know whether or not it can be called full release or not

[marsh lark]

Pretty sure that happened

[unreal trail]

Or just mod operation hard door stop

[slender adder]

Nah PvP is coming back

It's still in the files even

[cold swift]

Insider info?

[lofty hearth]

yeah talking about roadmap, where tf is it

[elfin egret]

Honestly for as much as I've griped about certain aspects of the game I'm not overly worried about this. They've sunk enough time and money into the project that it would be absolutely insane to pull that kind of a move.

[cold swift]

Coming soon™️

[reef flint]

a riots gonna happen if that happens

[unreal trail]

Then its such a wasted potential since ready or not is hella good even pre 1.0

[cold swift]

Nothing's gonna happen other than massive drama

[unreal trail]

Just gotta tone down ai and new maps

And maybe trailers can help search the damn place for that one anoying ahh civ

[grand hemlock]

you know there's a command for your teammates to go search and capture right ???

[cold swift]

Which doesn't work half the time

And guns fall through the floor sometimes

[marsh lark]

there is no Riot that will change the the move of developers unless they piss of Genshin Chinese community. 💀

[grand hemlock]

that did happen. 3 times in 200 hrs

[cold swift]

Real

[muted star]

I noticed that if they don't search it means there's nothing to report anymore

Besides soft evidence

[cold swift]

Well it shouldn't

[tawny star]

For me the game looks pretty good and finished (just some bugs). I started playing with 1.0 release only. The game is really big and you have many hours to play with friends and solo. But for some who already played for a long time in the "early access", of course is not enough and you want more and more and more. Maybe there isn't more, and you should just move over to other games. Simple as that.

[digital obsidian]

You're right tbh.

[cold swift]

But i would be pissed if I did an S rank on a hard map only to have a gun fall through the floor which is 1 in a 100 chance

[digital obsidian]

Either way, fixing the bugs + mods will already give this game plenty of life until we get big content drops.

[tawny star]

@digital obsidian exactly, pleople just can't wait anymore

[grand hemlock]

that happend to me

[devout yarrow]

Hello can i ask is anyone great at breaching and CQB in RoN

i find i die a lot in RoN

[cold swift]

Say a prayer before opening a door🙏

[grand hemlock]

a lot of peeking angles and snapping fast. using utility...

[devout yarrow]

k

Like bangs?

[tawny star]

@cold swift 🤣

[grand hemlock]

the mirror wand. and any throwable.

if you play with friends it could be usefull to check out CQB room clearing strategies, like who looks where/ when. etc but this might be too hardcore if its not your jam

[devout yarrow]

is there ever penalties for taking your time in Barricaded suspects?

[cold swift]

You're laughing. My goofy ass forgot to take some time to check for traps and now 4 officers are dead and you're laughing?

[unreal trail]

Gas the mf it last hella long

[grand hemlock]

Hahaha been there xD laughed my ass off

[cold swift]

No. It's mostly way more beneficial to take your time checking rooms/angles/possible suspect attack directions at barricaded suspects

[devout yarrow]

no it is my jam i just need to get better at room entry

[grand hemlock]

@devout yarrow yeah CS gas lasts for 22 seconds, but LOW visibility. if its a large space be warry for other targets further out

[devout yarrow]

Mhm

[cold swift]

Cs would be so perfect if I could see suspects in it

[tawny star]

@cold swift ooo, I only played 4 missions in practice. Still waiting for some bugs to be patched. I don't know about any traps, but sounds fun😅

[unreal trail]

They cant see nothing so ur good

[reef flint]

gas the whole map

best strat ever

[cold swift]

Yes, basically on some maps some doors might be (randomly) trapped with a tripwire with a grenade or a flasbang. So remember to check for those

[grand hemlock]

sometimes they can if they are stood outside of it.

[elfin egret]

Clear as much of the room from the outside as you can. Pie the door/entry. Use the mirror gun. If there's multiple entries consider doing simultaneous breaches with your two teams. When you decide to make entry for the love of christ don't stand there in the doorway. Get into the room and control the space.

[cold swift]

Yep. Especially since they're able to move out of the gas

Also a tip, or at least I found this useful. You can check corners without exposing yourself with mirrorgun @devout yarrow

[grand hemlock]

true, never done this though

Just yell, they will marco polo their location to you 😄

[tawny star]

@cold swift nooooo, a room with Hitman and John Wick is enough! But grenades on the door????? Hell nooo🥶 I'm gonna follow your advice for sure 🙏

[devout yarrow]

thanks for all the help, ill try it next time im on.

[cold swift]

You're gonna learn the hard way eventually I bet every single RoN player had a moment when they either killed themselves or the team because they forgot to check for traps

[viscid bane]

best part is when you check for traps, see nothing, and then die to one

[grizzled scroll]

I tried this. To get my team to all die by breaching a trapped door. They stopped and said its trapped-not sure if thats just for me!

[tawny star]

@cold swift can't wait🙃

[tacit gull]

Certain SWAT members can see traps through doors, i'm unsure if the Veteran perk gives them that

[tawny star]

But they can throw nades at you?

[grizzled scroll]

its a shame but because the AI can see a single pixel of you and insta lock on, even through smoke or grass, so even when you move behind cover and a while later they still aimbotting you. So rather than run armour like a real SWAT team I just 5 man stab vest with 10 gas grenades each and clear it that way. Sad what the game has become but Agent 47 and John Wick being in every room has made it so.

[grand hemlock]

@devout yarrow check out "Door Kickers" its RON in 2d, so only the tactics and planning basically but you'll learn

[cold swift]

No, at least for now suspects don't throw nades

[tawny star]

@cold swift thanks, glad to hear

[tacit gull]

They were talking about secret service agents lobbing flashbangs at you, but it looks like they walked back on that and just gave them flash traps

[viscid bane]

ive never seen a flash trap only frags

[tacit gull]

The clemente only has flash traps

[grand hemlock]

they exists, can confirm

[tired kestrel]

yeah everyone who has played this game definitely blew his whole team up in a lethal obsession

[simple thunder]

are stingers considerd lethal

[reef flint]

they deal damage, so yes

but less

[tawny star]

@tacit gull it's scary even with flash traps. My flash already killed me a few times. Bouncing from the wall towards me, and then pushed down by superhumans🤦‍♂️

[tacit gull]

Unless the person is low health they won't kill

[digital obsidian]

with a battering ram, with all of the team in coop stuck to the door

[reef flint]

u force breach with any method u gone

[tacit gull]

Flashbangs got nerfed beyond belief in 1.0 so as long as you keep focus on your target it doesn't matter much

[grand hemlock]

Save to use, just dont over do it. its like the shotty. its non lethal, till you shoot them in the face.

[azure karma]

can grenade launchers still breach doors or is that gone now

[viscid bane]

seeing a lone player go up to kick open a door

[tacit gull]

If you're talking about stingers breaching doors that's gone, no idea why they took it out

[azure karma]

):

[viscid bane]

the grenade wouldnt affect suspects tho right?

[atomic jolt]

any idea why my RoN is reinstalling itself bc of this update 💀

[azure karma]

tested it in the training area and it just bounces off

[vital wasp]

they cant breach doors irl without killing the whole squad lol

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[vital wasp]

no time soon. get mods.

[atomic jolt]

no crack mod

[viscid bane]

never, have fun getting john wicked

[tacit gull]

Every update basically needs to re-patch the whole game because of how their file structure is set up

[vital wasp]

look at his name. lets just hope he gets medical care first

[reef flint]

u want someone pulling out the "skill issue" card out eh

[atomic jolt]

rippppp

[vital wasp]

they should hire you since you know how to fix all the games issues! you seem very smart man

[tacit gull]

You don't seem very happy about the things i say, maybe you should have a lie down

[vital wasp]

tell us more about how many games youve made! you got it all figured out!

[spice verge]

first time doing medical centre and man that map is huge

[atomic jolt]

what is brother yapping about

[viscid bane]

port is worse

[vital wasp]

big maps are big.

[spice verge]

thought it was finished when i hit upstairs then boom whole new section

i do like a day time map tho i wont lie

[viscid bane]

they should make more small or medium maps

[vital wasp]

easy map too. finished first run on multiplayer. cult level is a big map and pretty tough

wish there were more levels like the cult. such a good cool map

[viscid bane]

cberryasa?

[vital wasp]

the one with the cult lol not sure of name.

[spice verge]

yeah big maps kinda stink for this game

[viscid bane]

its chaerryasa, very cool map

[vital wasp]

there the only maps worth playing on multiplayer. how many fucking times are you gonna do gas station lol

[spice verge]

believe it or not there are other indoor maps

so i play those

[vital wasp]

the apt hallways and home maps all suck. rust belt is a terrible map as well

[spice verge]

cry about it

[wispy bramble]

except for beginners no one plays the gas station anyway

[vital wasp]

im not crying im just stating the only multiplayer maps worth replaying are the larger ones that actually take skill and planning

[tacit gull]

You seem to mix fact and personal opinion a lot

[viscid bane]

i much prefer it to port or other comically sized maps

[tacit gull]

I think most maps are worth playing in co-op just because you're not forced to have AI teammates

[spice verge]

just diff playstyles thats all really

[vital wasp]

post office is so fun and replayble. I wont even touch 70% of the maps on this game cause they are too small to have variety

[wispy bramble]

try port with LL

[viscid bane]

LL?

[wispy bramble]

less lethal

[viscid bane]

lol no thanks

[wispy bramble]

i got like 12 suspects

[vital wasp]

i play RoN to shoot bad guys. not use bean bags and collect stupid little bracelets lol

[round frigate]

what was the 900MB update? do we have any patchlogs?

[wispy bramble]

not yet

[vital wasp]

that's pretty good

[wispy bramble]

but then one rushed into me with an akm

[vital wasp]

ive gone ll only gas station so far. i didnt find it fun enough to grind yet but maybe in time

sounds fun actually

[vital wasp]

lmfao that's the fun of the game tho. unpredictable.

[wispy bramble]

exactly

[viscid bane]

smart guy

[wispy bramble]

i remembered my attempts to get S in ides of march

it was f'kin impossible to me

[vital wasp]

lmfao bring 30 gas and stingggggg

[wispy bramble]

im doing it but then i get hs'd like bro has gas masks on

[vital wasp]

my favorite multiplayer map is "sins of a father" since it really showcases how BAD some players are with planning. They NEVER open room after room just flood hallways getting blappped

[wispy bramble]

lmao

[vital wasp]

lol its perfect for trimming fat off the squad. by the 4th try they finally group up lol

[wispy bramble]

i imitate afk according to how my teammates play so that they can go ahead and die and I can move on easily lol

[tired kestrel]

sins of a father was such a nightmare in singleplayer for me

[vital wasp]

lmao it took me two days. i got shot everywheerrrreee

[spice verge]

that map gave me a lil resident evil vibes

[tired kestrel]

i did it on my third try im pretty sure, but it took me a full hour to do so

[wispy bramble]

try using gas

[tired kestrel]

(full hour inside the mission)

[vital wasp]

facts!!! leon in the hallways for sure

[wispy bramble]

i take atleast 6 gas + gas m320

[tired kestrel]

yeah i took a shit ton of gas

thats how i did it

[spice verge]

i just really enjoyed every part of that map other than it being a lil spooky at times

[wispy bramble]

we need thermal in this game asap

[marsh lark]

Yeah no

[wispy bramble]

why not

[spice verge]

Keep thermal in arma

[tired kestrel]

yeah man i love hearing those creepy sounds for one hour straight

[marsh lark]

Because we are the police, not the military

[tired kestrel]

anyways, time to do carriers of the vine i hope its not worse than sins of a father

[spice verge]

love a good 1 hour spooky audio loop that defo didnt get into my brain

[marsh lark]

Sins of the father is fairly easy imo. Carriers of the vine is hard until you learn the layout

[viscid bane]

LSPD can afford thermals but not some uniformed officers to watch the outside of buildings

[tacit gull]

You wouldn't be able to tell by how people play the game

[marsh lark]

How come?

[tacit gull]

Most players i've seen just shoot any suspect in the head the moment they show up on screen

[wispy bramble]

never mind I changed my mind it would make the game so easy

[strange nimbus]

Eh anyone try to solo voll health house

[viscid bane]

doesnt help that the AI act like insurgents

[marsh lark]

It really would not. It is a stupid idea to begin with

[marsh lark]

Well, then they should expect RoE penalty

[spice verge]

void should just let me play as a cloaker from payday 2 and let me batter all the suspects

[tacit gull]

They should but unless they dead-check people or the suspects decide to hesitate (1-million) they don't get penalised

[atomic jolt]

Ive had suspects suddenly drop weapons as Ive fired at them and got penalised which was a bit annoying but nothing much u can do

[marsh lark]

Unless they play with no mercy for terorrists they will get penalized either way. The suspect does not have to hesitate for you to get penalized for shooting him. If the suspect is unaware or did not get alerted by you and you shoot him, you are getting unauthorized use of force/deadly force

[tired kestrel]

okay im dead, seems like i just need to learn this layout and i can do this

[muted star]

Does shooting a hesitant suspect gives you a penalty

[grand hemlock]

had it happen

[viscid bane]

its inconsistent

[spice verge]

carriers of the vine is pretty wild map for solo just dont go into courtyard for a while on that map

[carmine raven]

My game is updating, anyone else?

[atomic jolt]

yup new patch

[tired kestrel]

im in commander mode but sure

[tacit gull]

From experience even gunning down suspects through doors is a-okay but maybe that's a bug

[wispy bramble]

still no patch notes?

[vital wasp]

sometimes depending on actions before

[marsh lark]

Yes

[atomic jolt]

shud be on the steam page

if not then idk

[carmine raven]

other? do you have a link to what was changed? it doesn't appear on my steam

[vital wasp]

ive seen guys shoot suspects on their knees with no penality and ive also seen it give -300 for unathorized force it's weird

[vital wasp]

shadow patch no notes

[atomic jolt]

im just assuming its another patch lol

[carmine raven]

[atomic jolt]

something was probably up with hotfix 2

[wispy bramble]

even though there were 5 of us at the beginning of the mission it was showing as 4 but now its fixed

[vital wasp]

these are usually tests to see if they fix some issue

[carmine raven]

hmmm

[tacit gull]

There were some issues with hotfix #2, some of if had to do with polish translation, some of it had to do with port hoken being impossible to finish

[wispy bramble]

bug fixes would be great

[wispy bramble]

wdym its impossible

[tacit gull]

Some people reported the container objective not tracking

[wispy bramble]

oh

[tacit gull]

And so if you opened the container you couldn't report it and so you couldn't finish the mission

[wispy bramble]

the game is already crawling with bugs and now this

[muted star]

I always wonder how these things happen

[tacit gull]

It might actually have to do with the localisation changes they made in the hotfix, who knows

[wispy bramble]

i dont know if it's just me but optimization problems seem to have decreased

[tacit gull]

Hoping they do drop a changelog for the fix

[wispy bramble]

i have a gtx 1060 and I get constant 75-80 fps (lowest graphics)

[carmine raven]

hope so

[tacit gull]

Also newsletter should be today, right? What are the chances we get the roadmap?

[muted star]

What chances are for a newsletter in the first place

[carmine raven]

I have a GTX 1660 Super, and my game drops to 15 fps

[stark hollow]

idk about that one chief

[tacit gull]

it's so over

[muted star]

Roadmap canceled

[stark hollow]

ron is cancelled

[carmine raven]

[atomic jolt]

ram?

[carmine raven]

16gb

[atomic jolt]

oh that is a bit odd

[amber dock]

Are you like a dev or sum?🤓

[wispy bramble]

the pc is about 85 degrees rn

[atomic jolt]

george soros has paid void interactive to stop making ready or not, confirmed

[stark hollow]

yea

im john void

[amber dock]

impossible

[atomic jolt]

hes mr interactive

[carmine raven]

yea, and not everything is at the high end in terms of graphics

[atomic jolt]

i use an rx580 with 32gb of ram and i can hold 60fps (i limit it)

[wispy bramble]

what cpu you got?

[atomic jolt]

and i use reshade

i did notice tho wheni got a new cpu my fps improved a lot

[wispy bramble]

i recommend amd ryzen 5 and above

[carmine raven]

ryzen 5 3600

3.60ghz

[wispy bramble]

same

[atomic jolt]

ryzen 7 woops

[carmine raven]

before 1.0 I used to have FPS above 100 almost always and using dx11

[wispy bramble]

i was gonna buy the 7 but then i wont have the money for monitor

[atomic jolt]

im waiting till next month to grab a solid widescreen monitor

bci replaced my mb, cpu, ram and psu

[carmine raven]

nicee

[atomic jolt]

my bank account didnt think it was nice 💀

[wispy bramble]

lol

[twilit stream]

Does the mental condition of my little piggies even matter

[nimble kraken]

Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-2145 CPU @ 3.70GHz with a 2080ti on v1.0 i was getting 150+ fps not on the latest patch i'm seeing 70-80fps

[carmine raven]

[twilit stream]

I don't notice any change in aptitude

[atomic jolt]

bro actually said my little piggies

[wispy bramble]

20 series or 30 series (not TI)

which do you recommend

[atomic jolt]

neither

get 6700xt

[wispy bramble]

i hate amd graphics cards

[atomic jolt]

why theyre so much more stable than what they used to be

#💬general-discussion probably

[nimble kraken]

the generational diference between 20, 30 and 40 is not worth the more $ i say

[pearl shuttle]

bro is gaming on his workstation

[gusty temple]

lol

[nimble kraken]

perks of being the IT manager haha

[plucky escarp]

jesus

[sinful cobalt]

^^ exact same problem bruh

i got a gtx 1660 super 16 gigs of ram and had about 60 hours of playtime before version 1 perfect performance

now my game is 20 fps on lowest quality settings (used to run epic)

[vital wasp]

2070 super and having same issues

[wispy bramble]

thats nothing but skill issue i have a gtx 1060 and at stable 70-80 fps lowest graphics and balanced level amd fidelityfx reso

[sinful cobalt]

lellll

[rocky latch]

bro people are struggling with rtx's

[carmine raven]

yeah! same

[atomic jolt]

amd 💪

[sinful cobalt]

yo thats messed up bruh 😭 🙏

[vital wasp]

im not playing on lowest or using any of the relex dlss shit though so im sure i could find better optimization but it shouldnt be running worse than 50v50 squad.

[wispy bramble]

try some fps boost on yt

[round frigate]

have u guys tried engine.ini commands? it worked for me https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/190vxu6/how_to_fix_your_fps_for_real_this_time_tutorial/

[amber dock]

Have you tried both dx12 and dx11?

[carmine raven]

but now I tested the new update (I don't know what changed) but it seems to be clean

[amber dock]

I get a huge fps increase on dx12

[wispy bramble]

dx12 is better but i get very droppy

[rocky latch]

Literally struggling with beast pcs

[vital wasp]

i get a smooth 60 on singleplayer there's just some issue with multiplayer rn. Cant even zoom in scopes without drops it's weird

this game is too fast twitch for these drops so i hope its fixed

[wispy bramble]

whats your cpu

[carmine raven]

no, I did that on my old PC, I didn't want to have to do it again but I'll take a look, thanks!

[gusty temple]

looks okay, changes reaction time to something like 2 seconds default, so 1 second alert, which is far better than vanilla 0.5 default, 0.25 alert

[vital wasp]

amd ryzn 7 3700x and a 2070 super

[sinful cobalt]

I'll give it a peep. It's a bummer you have to go through so many hoops.

[tired kestrel]

im searching for one civilian and one suspect now

[sinful cobalt]

Was kind of just expecting some magic hotfix to come out and fix everything

[wispy bramble]

you should get atleast 100 fps on low

[viscid bane]

2 teammates have been searching for the last civ for like 15 mins now

[wispy bramble]

that damn clemente hotel got us searching a civ for like half an hour a teammate left for a cig break and the other got bored

[atomic jolt]

i guess executing a civilian to soft complete is the wrong way to go about this

[gusty temple]

if the last suspect can heat-seek the element, i don't see why the last civilian(s) shouldn't after order has been brought to chaos

[vital wasp]

im gonna try dx12 because im getting frame drops to below twenty FPS

[viscid bane]

im on clemente too lol

[vital wasp]

ive only been using dx11

[viscid bane]

oh they found her

[tired kestrel]

ok i found some kind of church

[wispy bramble]

it should have no problems but dx12 must have better optimization for newer cards

[vital wasp]

bro i go to dx12 and all the settings are on epic and im getting 140 fps wtf

[wispy bramble]

lol

[vital wasp]

lmfao im so mad

[summer oasis]

how do i keep bounce light on?

it keeps disabling

[vital wasp]

i knew i was doing something wrong because i had alot of settings low on dx11

[wispy bramble]

i get better fps too but much more drops compared to dx11

[vital wasp]

hmmm interesting! ill try some multiplayer with it

[wispy bramble]

maybe cuz mine is older

[summer oasis]

i was using DX11, with 70-80 fps (mt)
but with DX12 i got 90-130

with mt

[rocky latch]

Yea i also just tried DX12 and its a LOT of drops

[tired kestrel]

FINALLY BRING ORDER TO CHAOS

CARRIERS OF THE VINE SECOND TRY!!1111

[wispy bramble]

drops are worse than low fps imo

[summer oasis]

if your low fps is like 60

[gusty temple]

right cuz 60 is "low"

[rocky latch]

60 is shit

[molten jay]

drops are way worse

[wispy bramble]

its like 45

[molten jay]

it fucks you over

[wispy bramble]

yeah

[summer oasis]

nahhh, i spent a LOOONG time on a potato and i've come to appreciate anything above 45

[rocky latch]

anyonme know

[molten jay]

pov you run the game at 170fps

[gusty temple]

no 45 is definitely shit. 60 is minimum

[rocky latch]

why that mission select screens lowers fps so much?

[gusty temple]

menu screens run a second instance of the whole game on top of the first one

*render

[vital wasp]

niceeee

[grand hemlock]

S?

[vital wasp]

im getting drops to 15 fps on dx11 i cant get any worse lol

[rocky latch]

I switched to dx12 and it fixed it tbh

[gusty temple]

same for me

[tired kestrel]

nah i got B but its my first time doing it so

[summer oasis]

anyway how do i keep bounce light on?

it keeps turning off

like SCP-173 changes place when i'm not looking

[grand hemlock]

Nice Gj

[tired kestrel]

thanks

[tired kestrel]

thanks!

[gusty temple]

worst-case: go to %localappdata%\ReadyOrNot\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor\GameUserSettings.ini and change it there

i don't need to set it to read-only in the file properties, but maybe you have to, idk

[fallen lotus]

where did my save file go

[frozen leaf]

question, have they fixed the enemy AI yet the godlike AI

[gusty temple]

it's only got a mild case of morbid crack addiction, but no, it has not been touched in the hotfixes

[fallen lotus]

yesterday i played singleplayer and now idk where to continue

[summer oasis]

i did that

still off

[gusty temple]

well, at least not the default values. bug fixes may vary, but since there's no posts about it, we can only guess and mine is no

[frozen leaf]

ahhhhhhh sheeeat not yett

[bold sky]

man lincoln story in this game is literally i swap to fal and start winning more

[gusty temple]

idk man, set the file to read-only int he properties and go from there. i don't even know if i notice the effects in-game. my value is set to true, but i guess it could be broken?

[bold sky]

he prolly figured out the ap fal and mirror wallbang technique

[fallen lotus]

?

[tired kestrel]

finish all the missions? idk

[bold sky]

you can go on steam and leave a negative review like many people here lol

[gusty temple]

i sure did. even though i enjoy the game, i really don't agree with such a state being called "1.0"

[fallen lotus]

i guess my save file was in "training" and not regular singleplayer, weird

[stone bay]

did you do the tutorial?

[gusty temple]

i haven't tried commander mode, i just play "practice" anyways

[stone bay]

if so it automatically puts you in training afterwards

[fallen lotus]

yeah

[stone bay]

my game doing the new 800mb patch

stuck on 0% installing 😄

[bold sky]

typical

wont be surprise if next patch we get a virus or a bitcoin miner

[gusty temple]

yeah i had to go and update a different game just to un-jam mine

[bold sky]

at this rate captain wang sparrow from china is gonna figure out a way to just upload virus over modio and screw us all

[stone bay]

last time when installing 1.0 my thing froze on installing but it fixed after like 15 mins

so i guess im just waiting

oop

46% from 0% now

[gusty temple]

it's a Steam thing™

[stone bay]

this is toc to entry team, we're gonna hop in the blackhawk and fly to fortnite island

[fallen lotus]

the ai are crazy

[stone bay]

I finished the game vanilla got a few S ranks and decided to get a mod to adjust AI values

[vital wasp]

much better frames now ty guys

[gusty temple]

yeah i prefer to modify the Ai values, too. vanilla is unforgiving and i'm just not itnerested in extremely precise gameplay

[stone bay]

are u booting the game through win 64 wshipping?

[vital wasp]

just changed from dx11 to dx twelve for now. adjusted some settings. nothing on epic but view distance

[stone bay]

if you boot the game through the game folder instead of steam u get better performance

[ebon ginkgo]

ive found that my game runs better on dx11 over 12

[vital wasp]

interesting! i'll try that. any reason why?

[stone bay]

No clue

Just make sure ur fine with not getting achievements or hours counted

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[ebon ginkgo]

i think steam will still detect the game if it's opened that way

[fallen lotus]

LOL i just got one shooted by a guy slightly peeking a door

[ebon ginkgo]

at least it has for me

[near schooner]

how my AI stares at my dead body after they just saw an ai inhumanly react to my movements and blow my head off :

[vital wasp]

i just had AI rush the hallway after we flashed him lmfaoooo

he fucked dude up

[stone bay]

i went from like 10 fps up stairs on ends of the earth to it behaving like any other part of the game

[bold sky]

honestly rn ai reaction to door peekers actually make sense

[stone bay]

by booting thru win shipping

[bold sky]

peeking is not a tool you are suppose to use every single door

every time i see someone peek a double door i want to kms

[vital wasp]

lmfao fr. dudes will wand, see a suspect then peak lol. Cii that mf

[bold sky]

you are kinda forced to use it more on maps w wire but thats about it

you dont even have to you can technically play this game very fast paced if you choose to if you figure out some door techniques

[vital wasp]

dudes will crack a door open before they know if u even have a nade

[bold sky]

doesnt even have to be realistic tech either

yes dont throw a nade if you know someone is right next to you lol

since pre 1.0 thats like known

[stone bay]

i only peek doors to make em 1 kick

[ebon ginkgo]

at that point just open it

[stone bay]

kciking feel cooler

[viscid bane]

Spent 20 minutes on the hospital with randoms and we all died to a single guy in the last room

[rocky latch]

nade

[vital wasp]

asserts dominance to the ai

good tactic

[fallen lotus]

wait how do you disable traps LOL

my entire team just got destroyed

[viscid bane]

We used them

[hardy falcon]

i wish we had media reports available in the briefing, the bits from swat 4 like the fairfax residence really help tie it all together

[gusty temple]

mouseover, pull out multitool, hold lmb. or middle mouse and get your team ai to do it

[fallen lotus]

ah col thanks, it was never mentioned in the tutorial

[gusty temple]

bastards

i never play tutorials so i wouldnt know

[left cape]

how do i send pics and stuff in this erver

server

[stone bay]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[lapis niche]

I got another update to the game just now, but I don't see any patch notes, any ideas?

[stone bay]

fixes the objective on port afaik

[marsh lark]

fixing an objective and the update is 800mb, unlikely

[hardy falcon]

same

[rocky plover]

thing is even though its around 880mb, its done old school where it has to completely redownload the whole game instead of just adding the update only

[marsh lark]

Well no. If it had to redownload the whole game then you would be downloading 56GB. In this case that is not what happens.

[rocky plover]

becomes really annoying with every update cos what is should be a 2 min patch it becomes like a 40 min patch

[rocky plover]

ye mine did a 56gb

twice, 1 today and another 1 yesterday

[gusty temple]

it's updating 56gb, not downloading

[hardy falcon]

not for me, just 890mb

[rocky plover]

yesterdays today about 1 hr

[marsh lark]

As @gusty temple said. It is just patching the 56GB not downloading

[rocky plover]

yea 887.9mb but it still has to go through the 56gb

[trail umbra]

887MB and not a single difference

[rocky plover]

and 2 updates but 1 patch notes.. so confusing

[hardy falcon]

is port hoken fixed? im waiting for it to work to play through it

[trail umbra]

Honestly they have only fixed a couple of bugs amongst the 949582752 other ones, they haven't really done anything else

[rigid beacon]

This is a very weird request but can you guys help me on how to not get jumsoacred so easily like I'm always so anxious when I'm going around corners or hallways with doors ect

[rocky plover]

what was wrong with it to begin with? @hardy falcon

[hardy falcon]

the container couldnt be opened after hotfix #2, so the mission wouldnt complete

[marsh lark]

You cannot close/open the kidnapped women container therefore you cannot complete the mission

[gusty temple]

weird. didn't happen for me

[rocky plover]

oh so this happened after yesterday's update?

[gusty temple]

oh^ idk bout that

ohh i can read now

[sharp geode]

bassicly throw flashbangs if ur scared

[rocky plover]

ye probably cos of yesterday's update cos it was fine for me

[rigid beacon]

👍

[still flax]

Not everyone has a super fast internet, if every update we have 56gb of data download, many will struggle with that

[tired kestrel]

send your squad members in first / get a shield

[rigid beacon]

That's what I did to beat the game lol

[tired kestrel]

yeah thats the strat, and cs gas

[rigid beacon]

Yeah I made the hospital map look like 1945 🗣️🔥🔥

[gusty temple]

flashbangs. mods for more flashbangs. clear with leader command to have your ai clear behind you. mirrorgun. you can use your ai like coal mine canaries, but i find that a little, uh, boring

[tired kestrel]

mirrorgun is boring just rush in with c4

[gusty temple]

gas is fun too. i heard they made it better with 1.0 but i havent tried it since it was finicky

[gusty temple]

this is the way

[tired kestrel]

gas is definitely the best way to get enemies to surrender without non lethal

[gusty temple]

gotta try it out!

[tired kestrel]

yeah you should, its what im using rn

[gusty temple]

hopefully the old mod that removes the gas mask vignette still works for 1.0 even though it hasn't been updated

[stone bay]

should be in the 800mb hotfix

havent tested myself tohughj but people have said its fixed

[gusty temple]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/1550 and for better nvgs: https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/741

[chrome notch]

Will RoN be family shared on steam

[short inlet]

so what's the new patch about

[plain summit]

hey guys, how long need to wait russian language, you know?

[twilit thorn]

does somebody know if void ever adressed the current AI problem (Wallbangs, perfect sight (nighttime), perfect aim, no fear, no reaction to non lethal and so on) ?
I mean is there any info on them working on that or being aware of the situation with that?

[rocky latch]

Learn english

[stone bay]

they haven't said or done anything afaik

[twilit thorn]

Damn alright thanks man

[twilit thorn]

Why should he?

[plain summit]

Just because I know English doesn't mean I don't want to use my own language.

[rocky latch]

It's the solution

[viscid bane]

I got no trip wires my first time playing carrier of the vine and honestly the map is better without them

[short inlet]

yes they said they'd fix it

[wispy bramble]

I expected them too at the first time

[vital wasp]

havent lost a mission all day ai seems to be easier

[viscid bane]

Idk how they’d operate the farm irl with trip wires everywhere

I’d install a mod to get rid of them, but the last time I tried using a mod my game broke

I probably installed it wrong

Idk or care really

[twilit thorn]

I mean if its not his native language why should he do that? He could maybe enjoy the game even more if there were Russian translations and that was basically his question no need to be a dick about it. "Yeah just learnt the language" without even knowing his situation or anything. Im gonna be honest with you nobody cares what your opinion is on things, people are trying to help each other here if you dont wanna do that then just do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut. Many guys use games not only as their hobby but also to avoid hearing stupid shit out of dumb people and you are not really helping here in that case 😉

There is a funny little quote I like to share with you though

“The Ability To Speak Does Not Make You Intelligent”

[twilit thorn]

yeah thats not the issue tbh we have been doing missions without problems its just sometimes the AI completely freaks out and you be like wtf just happened

[viscid bane]

Bro is not gonna read all that

[twilit thorn]

Idc tbh

I just dont like assholes especially if the other guy just tried to seek out help or ask a normal question

[livid moat]

whats the update for?

[vital wasp]

i like the AI freak outs tbh. I love getting wicked lol

[stone bay]

port objective fixed again and some other minor stuff i think

[bright valley]

Vanilla Cherryessa Farm doesn't have tripwires btw.

[livid moat]

well im still stuck on elephant lmao thx tho

[twilit thorn]

hahahah well its not that I am saying that it is always dumb but I think there should be a difference when it comes to a teenager having a shootout vs methheads or gangster/mafia having shootouts

[vital wasp]

more variety would be nice. secret service feel dif than the postal gangsters though. terrorist need more things tho

i wish the bombs were a bit more mini game or something idk

maybe give them gas nade lol

turrets lol

[twilit thorn]

and if we are gonna be honest I dont think a guy whos getting shot at 2-3 times in the chest (while obviously wearing protective armor) in the night in the rain, surrounded by 5 highly trained officers, who also got flashed and gased before that just stands up with his pistiol and gives 1-2 perfect headshots before he goes out you know?

[twilit thorn]

but idk man it sometimes just doesnt feel that right, maybe its gonna be worked on and we will see some nice progress to it

[twilit thorn]

Im just saying I can imagine this situation with a crackhead (just without him being able to hit that precise shots)

[vital wasp]

i loveeee the super soldiers lol. I really do. i get ur point tho

[stone bay]

super soldiers should be a mod not the standard, or atleast a progression system of the difficulty

[twilit thorn]

Yeah sometimes its funny to have a little challenge to face them John Wicks

[bright valley]

It takes some strongly biased behavior in order for differences in the AI between missions to be noticeable IMO.

[stone bay]

void fucking up their chronological order is part of whats screwed them though

[bright valley]

People aren't going to notice a 5% increased chance to take cover or something.

[vital wasp]

hollows with big caliber do seem to do a great job of preventing return fire tho. my biggest issue was not getting suspects to stop shooting after hit but i found a nice loadout to pretty much drop everything in 3-4 shots safely.

[rocky latch]

Too long didn't read but English #1 language

[mortal sparrow]

Went to the gas station shot some people went home and played ready or not

[carmine raven]

stop being so stupid and leave the guy alone

[rocky latch]

He's the one who self inserted

[marsh lark]

Both of you being childish as fuck

[marsh lark]

Russian is currently not in game, pretty sure it was supposed to be in game but there may have been some delays. I think there is some form of Russian voice acting+subtitles on nexusmods.com

[velvet steeple]

so i could make a mod that auto completes every objective and it would give me everything in the game??

[carmine raven]

yeah

ALL SWAT and TOC Combined - Russian Voiceover (RoN V1.0)

[carmine raven]

this?

[brittle swan]

I mean theres already unlocker mods

[marsh lark]

Yeah, so if you are willing you can download it. Although they may be some voicelines missing it is better than nothing.

[velvet steeple]

that’s not

nevermind

[fresh pelican]

is anyone having trouble with the 1x4 not aiming correct when i shoot its offset i have to be a little right to hit center

[marsh lark]

I dont know if that would be possible, but probably yeah. And besides who honestly cares, it is nothing but bunch of cosmetics.

[hearty parrot]

It exists already

It's an injector so the game would recognize you as a cheater

But beside that, just play the game, it's that simple

[bold sky]

yes 1-4 is misaligned even pre 1.0

both its canted and its optics are not fully accurate

[marsh lark]

I do not think this game has any form of anti cheat. Mainly because it is not multiplayer? And I am not sure if they would add one just because there is coop?

[bold sky]

they dont have good anticheat bc as far as i can tell if its a lobby hosted by chinese theres likely gonna be god mode or infinite ammo

[stone bay]

pretty sure a mod that does just that was released a few days ago

[stone bay]

just ask em about the tiananmen square massacre 1989

[gusty temple]

only anti-cheat i've heard of is that if the ron.exe detects another active program with the name "cheat" in it, the guns will shoot trashbags. that's why the mods mentioned have to be injected with .dll instead of using a cheat engine table, which is basically all it is

[stuck wing]

Trashbags??

[near cape]

okay i'm gonna ask everyday since y'all are not answering to me. What is the setting name for the sounds inside the bearcat when loading the map? I heard it in the first time playing now it's gone

[north wave]

Anyone) how to take nvg and gas mask together?

[bold sky]

mods else not possible

[north wave]

OK, understood

[near cape]

does someone answer?

[bright valley]

I don't know, but I am familiar with the sounds you're talking about.

[bold sky]

you are gonna have more luck in modding chat asking that kind of question ngl

this chat is for "my friend is in nato special forces" ".300 is only good for long range raid" and misinformation of all variety

[stone bay]

probably because we dont know lol

[near cape]

haha okay

[stone bay]

random sound file being broken half this game is broken

[livid notch]

you can just download zombie mod, where shooting down all suspects running with knife will give you legit S tier

[stone bay]

yeah but the new mod requires zero effort

with ZoN you stilla gotta try somewhat

[livid notch]

after first hotfix I got a wipe and all progress was gone, so I just used mod for unlocks, thats it

[tough spire]

WELL the roads are frozen over again so no work for me. RoN and Netflix time? What are we dying to today

[cold swift]

The wire trap which you forgot to check

[tough spire]

TOO REAL. I'm going back to bed 😂

I take that back. I'm up to Elephant on my ironman and I need to practice that a few times before I go in... 💪

[cold swift]

Man if I ever play this game on iron man Imma just lose all my hair and what remains will all be gray

[tough spire]

It's fun. You get real good at those first maps 🙃

My heart about lept out of its chest when I finished Greased Palms for the first time.

It forces you to adjust your tactics, try new things, learn what works and doesn't and makes you a better overall player. You just... come out with a head full of gray and bald splotches.

[hushed slate]

Question...... do the Anti flash gogs actually do anything?

[tough spire]

Yeah they reduce flashlight glare too iirc

[hushed slate]

What abt like sunlight? and TY!

[tough spire]

I don't think baked map lighting changes ever

[hushed slate]

Roger tysm

[cold swift]

My epic shades do nothing against the light, damn it!

[tough spire]

The goggles! They do nothing!

[hushed slate]

Thas what im sayin

I spent 4 bands on these rays

[tough spire]

Are Raybans measured by the number of rays?

[hushed slate]

They're measured in the the amount of BANDS YOU GOTTA DROP ON THEM

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[obtuse schooner]

How do presets work? tf?

I go to an officer, switch the preset and back out and it doesn't save.

[stone bay]

Gotta save it all the time before exiting or else it bugs out

[deep rain]

Seargent Walsh, 4342

[obtuse schooner]

Nah, it just doesn't work

Alright I'll just do it manually lol

[stone bay]

Do you not??

[tough spire]

Craaaap. Is there a map for where the bombs can spawn on Elephant? I can only find one

[stone bay]

I have a preset for each officer from Alpha to Delta

[obtuse schooner]

No I mean like just do it without presets

Because the presets don't work

[stone bay]

Welp good luck on that

[stone bay]

It works just fine

[obtuse schooner]

Saving does nothing.

[tough spire]

I use presets constantly. Can you screen record for us?

[obtuse schooner]

I go on delta who is set to default, switch the preset, back out (and save it?) and it fails

goes right back to default

[stone bay]

That’s doing “Default”, editing it, even customizing him, Save Preset, give the preset a name, then assign that preset to him right?

[obtuse schooner]

No I already have the preset made

I just want to assign the damn preset to him

[tough spire]

Are you giving each preset a unique name? Because they all share presets, if you're overwriting "Default" each time that's your error and would explain a lot

[obtuse schooner]

Unique name as in?

Can I not use one preset for all the officers?

[tough spire]

Not if you want them to be different

[stone bay]

I have a preset for each officer and named it one by one

[obtuse schooner]

Lmao what

[stone bay]

It could be something like “Alpha Lethal” “Bravo NL” something like that

[obtuse schooner]

So that's why it doesn't work..

[tough spire]

I'm gonna die to this stupid hidden bomb in Elephant let me take some screen caps for you real quick

[obtuse schooner]

That's the dumbest thing ever.

[stone bay]

I have 11 presets

Idk if there’s a limit

But I have 11 so far

[obtuse schooner]

You think you would be able to have one preset for a loadout that you can apply to multiple characters. lol

[tough spire]

You can

[obtuse schooner]

Not with the same name

[tough spire]

They all share the same preset list

[obtuse schooner]

I can't have "Damage", "Non-Damage", "Oranges", as three presets and apply one of those to all four officers.

[stone bay]

I have different presets cause I give them all their own guns + customize them

[tough spire]

You can

[obtuse schooner]

How?

I know they all share the same list

Let me just screen record it

[tough spire]

Yeah please do. I'm so confused where it's failing for you. lol

[stone bay]

Ong

Walk us through your whole process of opening the loadouts then assigning it to one of the officers

[tough spire]

Okay seriously tho where the F is the second bomb in Elephant? (I know it's random I just couldn't find it 😂 )

[stone bay]

Upstairs one of the small rooms, Ground floor in the cafeteria or the cafeteria stairs, blue door stairs (when you enter from main entrance where the injured officer is, idk where else it can be

The computer lab

[tough spire]

I got the one in the stairwell, searched cafeteria... searched the computer lab...

Musta been a small room I missed?

[stone bay]

Then it's prolly upstairs

[obtuse schooner]

There

Skip to 10 seconds video was bugging

[tough spire]

That just made me more confused.

[obtuse schooner]

How do I get the charlie preset to stick?

Why does it revert back to default?

[stone bay]

That is very weird indeed. I'd just make a single preset for each officer to remove the headache

[obtuse schooner]

Right?

So dumb.

[tough spire]

It's a little unclear what was even happening in that video, but try just not using "Default" at all and see if that helps

[obtuse schooner]

What do you mean?

I can't switch any officer to any loadout besides default

Default will stick

Nothing else will

[tough spire]

Are you running mods?

[obtuse schooner]

Nope

[stone bay]

Mods shouldn't make it a problem

I have mods on and you clearly see my team has their own guns #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[tough spire]

I'm just wondering if a specific mod is messing with the loadout system is all. You should def. be able to assign things that aren't "default" so I'm looking into bug troubleshooting terrirtory

[stone bay]

I'd really just make a preset for each officer if you wanna be thorough. From Alpha all the way to Delta and not give them a Preset they share

[obtuse schooner]

I'll try that

@fossil tusk No idea, I unlocked it from a mission

[stone bay]

Here's a screenshot of my team and their own loadouts. Each one of them has their own preset #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[obtuse schooner]

With a certain rank I think

[obtuse schooner]

I tried making two different presets, no luck. They're fully broken

[stone bay]

sorry if this was asked already, but what was today's update about?

[fossil tusk]

damn, i didn't even know this model was in the game

[stone bay]

Like one preset for Charlie, then for Delta, then Bravo, then Alpha, then saving each preset every time you assign it??

Like going to Delta, give him his preset, Save Preset manually (you have to do this most of the time) and THEN exit

[tough spire]

Oh I know how - it's one of the "Customization" unlocks.

[obtuse schooner]

I applied MP5A2 loadout from "damage" preset to Alpha and saved it as "damage alpha". Did the same for Bravo and saved it as "damage bravo" and backed out and it did nothing.

Do I need to give the preset, save it and then exit per officer?

[stone bay]

I defo need to see this in action so I can pinpoint the problem

Another screen record

[obtuse schooner]

Nah man I'm just going to make them all manually

Game's broke, nothing I can do

[tough spire]

Can we just hop into a voice chat and screen share?

[obtuse schooner]

Alright fine

Which

[tough spire]

oop my mic isn't charged - gonna have to type at you here

[stone bay]

Nah just click on officer, like Alpha, give him his preset, Save manually, then go to Bravo, give him his preset, save manually again, then you repeat from there