👮ron-discussion

[cold swift]

Mfw I solo'd the map using only magnum, but never got the achievement. I think it's because I ordered my team to hold position

[spice verge]

Carriers of the vine tips?

[terse merlin]

avoid the courtyard as much as possible

[spice verge]

Havent seen much of this map at all so this is gonna be terrifying lol

[glossy stirrup]

Hmm hotfix #2's message says theyre going to tackle any "lingering issues related to suspect and SWAT ai"

Suspect ai fix incoming?

What are you smoking

[spice verge]

must be crack like the ai

suspect shidded themselves

[waxen grove]

I hope so but the wording makes me worry.

Because reaction time of the ai is super human

[glossy stirrup]

Why does judge race bend in low light

[waxen grove]

And that shouldn’t be fixed?

[spice verge]

This a pointless debate fr

when they gonna add the simpsons house as a map tho

[waxen grove]

Ah yeas realism. Its realistic to get your head blown off the moment you see a suspect or they catch glimpse of you. It’s realistic to have meth heads who act like heavily trained Military personnel while under the influence. Its realistic to have a gang shootout in a apartment complex that doesn’t even know we are coming. It’s realistic for suspect to have perfect aim while firing full auto into a cloud of gas.

I can go on

[spice verge]

He aint wrong there

[waxen grove]

Realism isn’t what we got right now

[vital wasp]

if the AI was any worse the game would literally just be 5 random dudes running through maps like payday

[waxen grove]

Huh

Your kidding me right

Also

[vital wasp]

nobody in multiplayer plays the game the correct way. Ive seen guys solo hallways passing 3 doors lol

then blaming the ai

[spice verge]

Maybe they should do a difficulty setting for the players with diff play styles

[vital wasp]

nobody clears rooms correctly. cII, flash and stings take out 90% of all suspects on every map lol

[waxen grove]

Eh the game just needs the ai tuned

[vital wasp]

there are mods for AI that's another reason i dont get why ppl are upset. u can literally just dl one to fit your style

[waxen grove]

What annoys me is that every map is the same

Suspects don’t care about their life

[waxen grove]

Issue with the ai runs deeper then the configs.

[vital wasp]

some maps like mindjoy and postal are unique but homes and apt's are all gonna feel the same. we need more mission varaince like bombs and snipers or somthing

[waxen grove]

Maps like mindjolt and Postal?

[spice verge]

wish i could use suspect guns 😢

[waxen grove]

Wait you really think they are not different lol

[spice verge]

gimme that tec 9

[waxen grove]

Every map is a firefight

[vital wasp]

i want AI to do more things & i want them to stop replying to every F "get down" since ppl use it to wall the bots.

[waxen grove]

Um you do realise that as it stands, shouting for compliance is suicidal and if herd though a wall the next thing you hear is BANG BANG and death

[vital wasp]

maps like sins of a father and all the houses missions feel the same. mindjoy & postal have alot of different ways of approach and lots of good random enemy location

[vital wasp]

nah you can literally just wall the AI through hallways with it. It's pretty buggy and OP

[waxen grove]

The ai react the exact same. If you try a game like swat 4 you will know what I mean

Nah the ai wall you

[vital wasp]

nah it's the easiest way to clear and broken. they shoot through walls for various reasons. u can try to pick the door or plant cii and they will wall your shit

[spice verge]

does anyone actually pay nexus premium?

[marble whale]

I think the current AI is good, SWAT 4 feels way too easy

[waxen grove]

Current ai is fucked

[marble whale]

It gives it actually challenge and risk

[vital wasp]

i love it. If the game was easier i wouldnt play it

[marble whale]

Very controversial I know

The wall bangs seem fine to me

[waxen grove]

Honestly swat 4 ai is easy but elite force does make it harder and I believe back to la makes it closer to swat 3 difficulty

[vital wasp]

by the 4th try most players in my lobby stop trying to do the solo bullshit wandering and actually play the game the correct way and we do well

[spice verge]

to be fair this new crack head ai has had me more cautious of my surroundings

[waxen grove]

Swat 4 still has the better ai

[marble whale]

I use elite force and it still seems easy

[vital wasp]

theres never gonna be a swat 5 just enjoy whatyou get

also the AI isnt cracked in single player since your AI are just as good.

[marble whale]

I remember in the beta all the players would use wallbangs so I guess it’s fair

[waxen grove]

Thats fair, i believe swat 3 was the best difficulty wise

[vital wasp]

my AI in singleplayer take 95% of all the kills lol

they are cracked too

single player AI clear room like special forces lol

[waxen grove]

But like the ai in swat 4 is still unmatched to the ai in Ron.

[vital wasp]

swat 4 was a completed video game. RON has way more potential

[waxen grove]

RoN doesnt just punish you for making a mistake it punish’s you for just simply playing the game

[waxen grove]

RON is a completed video game 🤓

[vital wasp]

hell no it's jank af

[waxen grove]

Glad we can agree on that

But it is v1.0 full release

This is the “completed” game

[vital wasp]

lol that's just EA marketing to get a price jump justified

[waxen grove]

I know

[vital wasp]

so then we both understand this shit aint no 1.0 lol

[waxen grove]

But it is however the full release and as such should be treated as if it was completed

[vital wasp]

"Currently, our primary focus is on the upcoming releases of hotfixes #3 and #4. These updates are specifically designed to address performance enhancements, fine-tune balance, and tackle any lingering issues related to suspect and SWAT AI. We are committed to Ready or Not and its ongoing development support, fueled by your enthusiasm and feedback. Stay tuned for more exciting updates and upcoming changelogs!"

no reason to

[waxen grove]

The game is released

They actually don’t owe us squat when it comes to updates

[vital wasp]

games been out for a while now

[waxen grove]

They can go and work on the dlc now

And give no platform updates if they so desire

Would kill the game but they could

So best to judge it for what we got and not what we might get

As it stands ai is extremely difficult, cracked with super human reaction times and while mods can fix the cracked issues unless void releases the sdk the ai system is at the mercy of void. And sadly it seems as if this terminator ai is intended

[vital wasp]

i like the john wick AI i think it gives the game charm

[tropic turret]

guys so in this hotfix they just added some new languages? or there is something else?

[burnt urchin]

Can I check my mission stats somewhere other than at the end of the mission?

I mean my S ratings and all that stuff

[fervent orbit]

oh my god I finally got s rank relapse ;-;

[coral void]

I saw it in a meme, but damn a lot of missions do have CP referenced.

[slender adder]

WE LOVE CP!!!

[marsh lark]

Well the streamers house leads you to Mindjot and Mindjot leads you to Volls house

[slender adder]

*(Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® Points)

[vital wasp]

the story is essentially just taking down a CP syndicate

[red sandal]

Is the automated trailers feature bugged?

[coral void]

Wait how does those terrorists in Neon Tomb and Patriotic nutjobs in Ides fit into this

[sturdy crow]

hello has anyone had an issue with the missing persons soft objective on hide and seek (port hokan) i just went through blood sweat and tears to finish that map and it didnt count me completing that objective even tho i 100% did

[vital wasp]

the dads are all connected to the server data or something

postal service had some issues connecting it as well

[slim fern]

Whats the official death toll for Neon Tomb? It was a massacre but How many actually died as opposed to being incapacitated or unconscious?

[round frigate]

yes, several people were talking about it, it seems to be bugged :/

[slender adder]

you sure you aren't missing a container?

[gloomy thistle]

does the current hotfix break AI mods?

[slender adder]

like perhaps a container full of woman?

[torpid iris]

remind me of Counter Strike Source Bots

[winter shadow]

My friend just got 1 tap by m1911 from suspect and he felt my pain >:]

[amber hearth]

ysoon

[gritty coyote]

there is a container with a pimp inside it with laptops
another container in the warehouse with 2 or 3 girls
And then a container outside the warehouse where are many naked people

[stoic zealot]

im tryna play all maps but when i go on practise mode theyre not all unlocked?

[gritty coyote]

practice mode requires you to clear maps sequentially

it's intended to be your first playthrough of the game

in multiplayer for obvious reasons all maps are unlocked

[stoic zealot]

dude ive had it since near release i js wanna play all the maps not grind commander mode forever

commander mode takes the piss ibr

[gritty coyote]

commander mode is intended to be after practice mode

I'm playing it after practice and I have fun because I have already perfected my playing style

with map knowledge of course

[stoic zealot]

i dont have fun when someone with a pistol snipes me with better precision than fucking chris kyle

[gritty coyote]

that's why you have to practice first and spot enemies before they spot you

[stoic zealot]

dude ive been playing the game for like 3 years i just cant be arsed for the grind

[gritty coyote]

but it's a fair point that the AI is overtuned right now. we all know that and they are working on it as from yesterday update message

[stoic zealot]

idk whythey made shields so shitty either

the screens crack easier than a samsung

[gritty coyote]

that's a good balance decision tbh. there should be risks like that.

[stoic zealot]

no there shouldnt bro are you smoking the evidence 😭

its a ballistic shield a 9mm should NOT crack it centre mass instantly

[gritty coyote]

I put the shields on my AI teammates and they live just fine charging into the fray so it's definitely not instantly

[stoic zealot]

so u dont run it urself?

[stone bay]

What's the mod that turns your laser to green??

[gritty coyote]

it's probably the worst idea since I need the mirror gun

[stoic zealot]

oh my god

[radiant siren]

I half agree. I find the shield both super helpful and easily breaking, For instance I ran the coyote revolver challenge and did it with stab vest and riot shield and it took the entire map without breaking

[stone hearth]

56 gig patch 🔥

[radiant siren]

you can peek doors to check for traps, mirror guns are alright

[gritty coyote]

when suspect is 2 cm from door aiming at it I'm glad I mirror it

[radiant siren]

Yeah the issue is they can tell your on the mirror gun and will open the door, I'll send a clip of that happening in #🎬ron-clips-and-media

[stoic zealot]

ELEMENT C2 AND FLASH

[gritty coyote]

exactly. that's what I do after I mirror

[stoic zealot]

or js peak the door, have a faster trigger finger with better fire power or overwhelming force

mirror guns r meady ibr theyre ight if u have one guy on them but shit if u use them as ur equipt

[gritty coyote]

that's your playing style if you want sure
for single player it's your own freedom

[stone stump]

~1.6GB*

[radiant siren]

Just sent it

It's uploading sorry

[stoic zealot]

i aint got the paitence for erry doorway to be mirrored 💀

[gritty coyote]

yeah everyone plays different

[warm copper]

Spray and Pray

[gritty coyote]

I like to wedge and plan for everything

for instance, in the Relapse hospital map, by optiwanding around a corner, I spotted a terrorist holding 2 civilians in a restroom with open door (one civilian in his arm). So I freeleaned and cleanly killed in one headshot and it was very satisfying. hostages saved.

in another playthrough I let the AI go ham and tried clearing the room and one was gunned down from behind by a terorrist from that exact same restroom spot

so yeah, patience next time I went into that room

[stoic zealot]

could not think of anything more fucking boring

[bold sky]

you can not do that

honestly people who play slow can practice for those "realism" or sim group

but if you keep playing aggressively chances are you look like you playing this game like cod

its a shooter after all winning gunfights is all that matter

[gritty coyote]

I also play squad and such so it's normal for me

[bold sky]

even w the current ai plenty of people are running around solo clearing by themselves

[stoic zealot]

i just play fast rlly not like cod, tactics are still there but i dont spend 15 mins deciding or checking every door

[bold sky]

its fun really playing like that and just get a mod to crank up the ai spawn

[stoic zealot]

take risks and redeem rewards

[modest cape]

Same.

[bold sky]

yes well im not saying play like cod but you can play the game fast paced

you not alone in that mindset

[viscid bane]

pro tip: turn on weapon highlights in settings

[bold sky]

that tip is nowhere near as good as just turn subtitle on to check if grenades landed

[gritty coyote]

once you're fluent at it it's not slow to check everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFhhE5GgjdQ

[bold sky]

where are the people who enforce no video link rules

[stoic zealot]

okay first of all idk why ur talking to me like im a child continously

i have like an extra 3 years expirence on da game (what a flex fr)

[bold sky]

i would ignore this guy honestly he was posting cringe yesterday then i call him out for misinformation and he turns to insulting and threatening to block me lol

[gritty coyote]

eh? I'm not criticizing or attacking you.

[stoic zealot]

you cant use the excuse of everyone having diff playstyles and then attack ours

[stoic zealot]

lol what a lame

[gritty coyote]

if you feel touchy about the subject we can move on

[stoic zealot]

i couldnt give less of a shit dude but youve been playing for less than a week please take your head out your own ass

you might acc pop like a balloon if yo ego gets bigger

"guys i play slow for a realistic expirence!" 😭

[gritty coyote]

you couldn't give less a shit but you are definitely angry about it, so yeah

[bold sky]

yeah right as if this game is a realistic experience

[stoic zealot]

that just seems like a chore

[stoic zealot]

dude ibr im high asf off lean i am NOT angry 🤣

[bold sky]

too many people play this game to satisfy their weird hollywood dream of arresting everything alive and not use their guns bc they cant aim then claiming the game has to be like that

if they make s heavily based on time and let you go lethal + give bonus for doing solo it would be way cooler

instead we have the typical cringe 80-90 century stigma of everyone gets out of this alive or we are all bad guys somehow

man fuck that mindset this is how we end up w a fuck load of school shooters

[stoic zealot]

i feel like its all the fat kids who wanna be swat that play it like that

[bold sky]

feel like most of the sim group struggle to kill the cripples on brisa when that map has all the best gunfight angles

[stoic zealot]

tempted to smoke up and join a sim group see how much chaos i can cause

[bold sky]

its actually is just gonna be either they are actually good shot playing it very slow and theres no action at all or they die very early and you get to solo it anw

the latter happens a lot more btw bc playing slow rn usually means get face tap easier

[stoic zealot]

i swr swat moves fast irl 😭

thats the most ironic shit

[bold sky]

well they also have a lot more resources and manpower to commit to a raid/siege

you dont see swat team doing 5m insertion into places w a dozen of armed suspects

but even then i do think violence of action is important

[stoic zealot]

ya but same time it is js a game death dont matter

which confuses me even more bcus how u gon be scared of death in a video game mane 😭

[bold sky]

yeah agree we can definitely not turtle the whole map

[stoic zealot]

dese da type of guys to cry out like they actually got shot when they be playin 🤣

[gritty coyote]

you are definitely not angry about it but you have been venting about it nonstop

[trail umbra]

For anyone that has performance issues; I read a comment on the new hotfix #2 patch in Steam that launching via ReadyOrNot-Win64-Shipping.exe instead of launching through steam launcher made the game run better, haven't tried myself yet though so can't confirm

[delicate snow]

Why is this guy muted? No mute reason in chat and latest msgs are simply stated opinions w/ no offensivity.

[bold sky]

mute rules here are random

[delicate snow]

Guess his words hit close to home 🤷‍♂️

[bold sky]

just like the censoring they censor stuff that are in the game even

and prolly true but this discord is not moderated by void

if they care enough to read us ill take that but they dont

[stoic zealot]

darg we be laughing at u idk why u think 2 grown men having a conversation n joke is anger

[delicate snow]

Surely the void interactive role has mod perms lol. In any case anyone on a mod team for a game is endorsed by the team.

[bold sky]

prolly muted for doing something in a different channel

[delicate snow]

I searched his user history

[bold sky]

yeah but they barely spend time reading any of our issue

[delicate snow]

Last msg was in here from him. To ur last msg, I assume that's cuz they don't give a shit

[bold sky]

all the issues that were pre 1.0 and constantly posted were never fixed

he prolly typed something really fucked instead of just being randomly picked by the censor bot

the bot just delete random shit it thinks is offensive

type something fucked enough and you'll be sent a real notice

man you just must either be that guy or his friend no way someone go out of their way to fight for democracy in a discord

[delicate snow]

that is some extreme hoops to jump wtf lmao

I was just doing a ctrl f for feedback i wanted to leave

and he said much of what I wanted to

[bold sky]

hey man i guess we welcome freedom fighters

[trail umbra]

💀

[bold sky]

sadly we wont make a change in this discord lol

[delicate snow]

It is relatively important if someone is muted for sharing a negative opinion about the game, I don't think knowing it would change jack shit but its nice to know

I don't know if that's the case obviously

[bold sky]

all of my dedicated servers post since pre 1.0 til now fall on deaf ears, the canted sight issue pre 1.0 was never fixed too

[delicate snow]

Could've said the n word and got deletionated to the shadow realm lmao

[lucid elk]

... that's how applications for positions work.

And IIRC someone said the VOID role cannot take moderation actions to keep the hierarchy intact. Could be wrong, though.

[delicate snow]

what I was typing b4 I got distracted chatting with you (not a bad thing);
I agree w/ what he was saying, this 1.0 seems to be purely a marketing ploy and the game feels too far from complete. The price has been raised to $50 or so I believe, and there is less than 20 hours of content unless you replay maps, making a terrible $/hour value.

Its a real shame, I figured this would be the case but held a little hope for shits and giggles, but man hearing people try to call this a successor to SWAT 4 from 2005 when the AI in S4 is superior to what we have in RON is nails on a chalkboard to the ears. I don't think the devs are incompetent and devs usually aren't at fault for gaming L's but some sort of mismanagement or poor intentions feel present. There are so many things in RON (many of which added in 1.0) that have me saying "If this was playtested thoroughly, there is no way these would have remained this way."

For example, the entire precinct is just menu options expanded into a 3d space with a slow traversal speed.

Or, I have to ready up in singleplayer.
Or, there is no retry button in commander mode, so after death, its about 2 minutes before I am back in the video game.

yes ik nobody asked

[slender adder]

it is a marketing decision yeah

[bold sky]

i mean i think anyone who buy the game early feels the same way you do

but a lot of people are kinda fed up w games that are good but overtly grindy like tarkov or games that suck ass like cod and battlefield sellout

so this is a great escape from those

plus i like this game gunplay, a lot

its really fucking good and i wish they gone the rainbow vegas 2 route instead of swat 4

[delicate snow]

I work in softdev and system administration as an owner of a business with a few others, and run a discord for my business. While obviously it doesn't hold a candle to RON's discord size and has little in common with RON in general; nobody in their right mind would have a Discord for their thing, while not owning it. If VOID doesn't have any sort of admin rights here, I'll be absolutely shocked. I understand they can have those and still be hands off, and this is likely more what you meant, but can and are/will are not equivalent. Moderators are also incentivized to support the people they moderate for, which can involve unfortunately pushing criticism down.

I do not know how that guy ended up being muted and am not claiming to, simply stating facts:
No mute msg
Last msgs he sent were non-disrespectful criticism
He posted it in a discord owned by the people who made the thing they criticized

[delicate snow]

Its actually fantastic

Honestly most of the reason I find myself playing now and then

[bold sky]

i have some faith that hes muted for something else

bc many people bash on void everyday

including insults when they are literally drinking

and no one is really banned for that like ever

[delicate snow]

Yeah if he is that's dope, mute people for being dicks all day long for all I care. But muting people for criticizing you/your thing they bought respectfully only proves their points better and shows intentions to be poor.

[slender adder]

void doesnt do that lol

[bold sky]

like i said void interactive people barely give a shit about us

[slender adder]

there are people who are way louder than him

[bold sky]

yeah that too

just go to the bug forum rn there are legitimately like 3 posts that are actual bugs w proof and stuff to improve/fix

[slender adder]

like one of the supporter cord member has [void is incompetent] in their name

[lucid elk]

I see where you're coming from.

What I meant was, in fact, that VOID themselves may not have moderation permissions. However, like you said, it wouldn't make sense.

Besides, trying to figure it out without asking would require breaking Discord ToS.

I know nothing about the person you lot were talking about, I just felt like adding my two cents to the message, that's it.

[delicate snow]

ye i hear ya, i just wanted to see what was up. maybe a mod will reply later on

[bold sky]

the rest is just ranting and being cringe

this game might sell like a battle pass that gets you access to optics and laser that are properly aligned xd

comes free with proper hit reg

then another battle pass to unlock dedicated servers if you are pugging

[lucid elk]

Would not surprise me after their Supporter Edition claims regarding earlier access to builds after a year of radio silence.

[bold sky]

comes free with better netcode

its just weird bc this game is big but it prolly hasnt made them filthy rich yet so they arent overtly motivated ngl

they did push out a game, their choices now is to either make do w what they have and keep selling or reinvest their profit into it and hope something better comes out of it

it would be sad if we ended up relying on modders to play the game properly

[lucid elk]

It's an indie team, probably people who are new to the game development industry in general.

Still, feels like there's no proper management team to hold shit together.

[bold sky]

i mean low level management prolly relies more on individual selflessness and talent

you can sympathize w that really

its just the directions they are heading that concern people more

some people think they should dump all their effort into ai

[lucid elk]

To an extent. But, that's just my high standards for... well, almost everything.

[bold sky]

then people like me think the ai is whatever and want more coop faciilitation

i dont want to waste 20 minutes finding a server whenever my friends arent on

[lucid elk]

lol fair.

[bold sky]

only to have a host w a potato or the game crashing or i have to wait so long for lobby to fill

at least they dont make host crash as often anymore

[delicate snow]

Yeah no offense taken or anything. I just feel its likely that at least someone from VOID has to be owner, and by extension, its definitely possible others have perms. Not that it entirely matters as mods are just as biased against criticism as VOID would be, employed or not. Flock mentality is a real thing and the internet has shown it like nothing else. People want to boost up people who boost them up, no matter how insignificant.

I also don't know who the guy is and for all I know he said some terrible shit that got deleted, if that's the case then idgaf.

[bold sky]

god that crashing after a mission just bc of loading into lobby was so fucking annoying

[still flax]

There should be no excuses for not meeting promises and keeping the community updated. This hotfix is a joke, there is no way the whole team achieve nothing but these simple shit. The progression is very slow and part of the reason for that is the selfless "fans" who defend them as their free lawyers

[lucid elk]

Well said.

[slender adder]

its weird how you are assuming all they care about is profit when their development story shows they just want the best of this project
"they did push out a game" it took them three years of blood and sweat, struggles and hardships, made tough and bad decisions, just for you to say that "they did push out a game"

[bold sky]

alright but this is still a product

it makes sense to apply economy 101 to this

[slender adder]

it is yeah

[bold sky]

the effort to reinvest their profit into this thing vs the risk of that even do anything is to me something i would not do myself

seeing so many people complain about the ai when pre 1.0 people stop playing the game after like 2 weeks bc ai sucks (even though they werent that bad you just start winning anw), vs now when its a good challenge and people hate it

thats not even the worst part

[still flax]

So even if we ignore all the shortcomings and unrewarded delays along the way, does that excuse them from any future shortcoming? I don't why would you treat publishing their game which is their job as a favor

[lucid elk]

For those 3 years of "blood and sweat", there could have been much more and better implemented. Even the time period between Adam update and 1.0 could have been handled better.

The dedication can be appreciated just as much as the lack of competence be criticized.

[bold sky]

people who complain about swat ai implies they spend the majority of their time playing singleplayer, and people playing singleplayer already bought the game and is not likely to hook anyone else into playing it

that population is like useless on release right away bc you sell them your product and thats it

[still flax]

There is even no briefings anymore...

[bold sky]

and i feel like the majority of people are just playing this game singleplayer

so if my playerbase is like that i would consider ditching this project and move on bc i got my worth out of it

[slender adder]

I'm not treating it like a favor, I'm just saying they want the same thing that we want

[bold sky]

thats why i scream about dedicated server and better netcode far more than ai even if its a slight issue

[slender adder]

and it's stupid to antagonize them the way this server usually do

[still flax]

Wanting something and comitting to it is different

[bold sky]

game development for this game is prolly gonna stall if the playerbase majority is playing singleplayer like i guess

[slender adder]

I'm not going to judge, I simply give them time

[still flax]

Actually I would argue that the majority of this server used to be their selfless lawyer which led to them slacking and difting off their standards

[bold sky]

thats actually true

the people here are all so eager for a shooter like this we put up w so much garbage we dont smell the garbage pile anymore really

[still flax]

The role of the community should be to keep their progress in check and keep them loyal to the money they received, they can manage their own pr

I am glad this is changing after new players joined since release, let's see how will they deal with it now

[delicate snow]

Always cracks me up how successful this game has been compared to how enjoyable its been to play or the quality of the product. Very disproportionate.

Its not a bad experience entirely, but not a single area of the gameplay loop that comes to mind for RON feels polished or complete.

(complete in this context referring to individual systems, not the entire game, for example; RON has had backtracking updates and overhauls for as long as I've owned the game, mid 2021)

Even @ 1.0, it still feels like I am playing a beta. In a comparison; Ready Or Not at 1.0, feels only a bit more complete than Ground Branch, despite GB being only around the halfway or less mark in their EA roadmap.

RON updates also always seem to reintroduce previously fixed bugs oddly consistently.

[lucid elk]

It's a PvE game. People will keep mentioning AI.

[delicate snow]

❤️

[still flax]

They released it only because they cannot keep it beta anymore on steam

[delicate snow]

Is that confirmed?

[lucid elk]

What do you mean?

[delicate snow]

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/earlyaccess
Nothing regarding a time cap here 🤷‍♂️

[slender adder]

he means a once in a lifetime chance for marketing

[lucid elk]

I find it quite ironic that they decided to work on a public roadmap only after releasing the game. :P

[slender adder]

TGA + christmas, the publicity done them well

[bold sky]

you might get censored for posting a link here lol

[lucid elk]

It's not advertisement.

[bold sky]

the only link they prolly wont ban is the stat sheet

i think it is expanding beyond just advertisement

its any media really

and that applies to some links too

[lucid elk]

Rule 8 only applies to advertisements and trading. No rule specifically for links generally is present currently.

If they don't want any links posted, they should get off their asses and add it to the list so people have a better idea of the situation.

[bold sky]

im fine w them making it a no link rule ngl

[lucid elk]

I'm not.

[bold sky]

not many arguments that involve linking stuff leads anyhwer

people link misinformation all the time

and stuff that is just blatantly false or irrelevant

[lucid elk]

Some discussions, on the other hand, involve links that are appropriate.

[bold sky]

very few of them and they can be posted in media

people post stuff in media and @ eachother there all the time in a middle of a talk here

[lucid elk]

... Not all of those links are restricted to the topic of RoN. And both of the media channels are strictly for RoN-related media.

[bold sky]

i doubt that i can see a bunch of non related ron stuff in there

and they kinda make it as a channel for you to dump links too

its not a bad idea bc after all this channel does seem to have some intention of helping new players out thats why theres a stat sheet pinned in this channel only

links just take up space

[lucid elk]

Except the channel topic clearly says that it's for the game only...

[lucid elk]

It's mostly pinned only here because this channel was made strictly for RoN as well.

[bold sky]

the beauty of life is if you let someone post links and videos its gonna go off topic

so im quite sure a lot of people agree that they would not bother looking at the media channel ever and people can take a piss there for all i care

sure rules are there but ever since this discord was made i look at media like twice when someone at me

[heavy marlin]

not sure if theres a way to do this, but 2 of my ai squad members got shields and they use it when going through doors and clearing the room (which is normal ik) but is there a way they dont do this beside just not giving them shields cuz sometimes they go trough a door and theres a dude in the distance but they dont hit shit cuz they are using their pistols and riotshields instead of just pushin in with their AR

[viscid bane]

this conversation is still going?

[viscid bane]

what about the people without shields? why dont they hit him

[heavy marlin]

im not sure

1 got a f40 or however its called and the other guy has an arcw or whatever the name is

k ill try that

i got another question what are the factors for the sanity of the swat ai members

i recently redid 4u gas station no body got injured i just got hit like 2 times in my vest and their sanity still droped

[tacit gull]

How many suspects survive, that's about it

[heavy marlin]

oh never thought about that

[tacit gull]

If you take everyone alive they won't even care that an officer was lost

[heavy marlin]

lol

so its actually not that dumb to run in with a beanbag shotgun

[lucid elk]

rules are there but
So, no point in upholding their own rules?

Though, that would not be much different from the current situation...

[winter shadow]

What to do...what to do

Maybe extra + only suspect and make it harder

[gritty coyote]

you should give your AI teammates the pepper gun
beanbag shotguns on AI can often kill
I have never had problems with sanity because AI is so good I can arrest like over half the suspects, and then there are perks which increase the sanity bonus
the player (you) can either use a lethal or nonlethal gun. I prefer lethal because in a sudden faceoff I want to live first (it's commander mode)

[heavy marlin]

k thx

[gritty coyote]

of course, give them all gas masks and CS gas grenades
Those are like the best in a closed room

without gas mask pepper guns will hurt yourself

[frail quartz]

I learned this the hard way on twisted nerve

[bold sky]

its not that bad i dont think it does damage

i ignore noobs gassing in pugs lobby and just walk into the gas anw if i know i can win my angle

[winter shadow]

My friend watched the hall way for me and a suspect 1 tap his head likr quick-draw

Like bruh

[bold sentinel]

lol

[winter shadow]

He had no clue whats going on

[gritty coyote]

that tends to happen in this game
and honestly it's partly why people like it
but the AI will be tuned down soon

[winter shadow]

When I try to defusing the bomb and last things I heard: BANG BANG and I become squad leader

[bold sentinel]

I wanna get the game exactly for how unforgiving it seems.
Do it right or die -- feels like I can learn quicker

[winter shadow]

I love and hate this game same time cuz suspect

[frail quartz]

To be fair, there's a fine line between ai that punishes you for 'not doing it right' and ai that punishes you for no reason at all.

[gritty coyote]

yeah currently AI is a bit too much

though when it goes away I think there will be masochists who want to tune it up again with mods

which is fine, freedom and all. it's not like this is a competitive game.

[bold sentinel]

I just wanna feel condifent I could lead dudes during a gun fight 🤷‍♂️

[storm ruin]

Any reason why after 1.0 the main character's neck and wrists not covered by cloth? Is there any unlockable that could bring back the old look?

[heavy marlin]

whats the difference between the 2 peperball launcher

[rocky plover]

smaller one has half the mag size, but its easier to handle in tight spaces since its smaller, also the reload is slightly faster i think, but to be honest its not worth using the small one because of ammo capacity

[heavy marlin]

k thx

[rocky plover]

👍

[hoary summit]

Anyone else stuck at the postal office? 😂 I just always fail with AI

Like since release of 1.0. everything goes well until Postal Office

[keen nova]

Is there any way to get the old version of RoN before 1.0 update?

[hoary summit]

Nope

[rocky plover]

once you learn the majority of the spawns, it's not that hard, but i do agree it is one of the annoying maps because the AI can see you through small cracks

[keen nova]

Alright, thanks!

[urban walrus]

You can https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/3183487463215080980/

[keen nova]

Thanks man

[tacit gull]

Just be aware it's 90gb big

[hoary summit]

Yes and the bots just run into the big hall everywhere and just die

[rocky plover]

keep them close to you, don't just tell them to move and clear into big areas because they will split apart, and a tip for the warehouse what i did was i split it into 3 sections and basically approched it from 3 different sides at different times

also gas helps alot on that map, to flush out suspects from behind cover

[near cape]

what setting is the audio for the bearcat driving

[mental fable]

Guys, is there any bugs with the SWAT AI when you play on custom maps ?

[rocky latch]

For the love of god give us a replay button

It's low FPS already why take us back to a station

Why do I need a mission rating in the first place for a Failed mission If you die

[bitter mason]

honestly, just play practice mode, its the better way of playing

you get a restart button when u pause, and you still progress and unlock everything as usual

you just dont get the squad management stuff

[late acorn]

I think devs must add body cam

[bold sky]

? ok yeah a feature that is in the game already

you can suggest the dev to add in guns next yeah

[steady bloom]

Just a quick question, I tried searching it but couldn’t find and answer anywhere, does anyone know if the Kosoku helmet with extra plating actually give extra armour or it’s the same as default and it’s just cosmetic? Because description says it has more plating to protect against higher calibre rounds.

[bold sky]

what is kosoku helmet

if its just your ballistic mask then yes it does you can look at detailed stat in the sheet pinned in this channel

if its some cringe mod no one knows bc the chinese are modding god mode into their game at this point

[stone bay]

One of the helmets in game

[bold sky]

cosmetics then no

[full shore]

All helms offer the same protection and the differences are just cosmetic iirc.

Which means the team wendy helmet is the best because of the 🇺🇲 flag 😎

[bold sky]

free misinformation

[prime wing]

SAY IT LOUDER RAH 🦅

[undone lily]

None of the different helmets have a protection factor, as far as I'm aware, I think the different variations are just cosmetic

NVM I should really ensure I'm scrolled down all the way before replying to a question lol

[steady bloom]

It’s literally a helmet in the game, some in game name I imagine

[bold sky]

misinformation time

yep im sure different helmet have the same protection

at least we arent back to the gas mask has the highest protection somehow bs

[steady bloom]

Appreciate the response, I thought that might be the case but since the game’s own description mentioned extra protection I was curious if it actually does something

[marsh lark]

For game's purposes, yes.

[hearty parrot]

I think it still is

[bold sky]

oh yeah here we go

why did we even bother pinning the datasheet when these readily available absolutely credible information are always here

[crude prism]

I gotta make a yt vid eventually lol

[marsh lark]

And where does it anywhere say on the data sheet that having a different helmet gives you any more protection?

[crude prism]

"Armor, Vests, Helmets" tab is the one you want

[marsh lark]

Yeah I am there, and it exactly says nothing about different helmets giving you any less or more protection.

[crude prism]

The durability and ricochet chance of the helmet options are what matters for protection

[marsh lark]

Yeah, well helmet accessories change the durability, not the helmet.

[crude prism]

Cosmetics are cosmetic? Yes?

The only thing that matters is what helmet type you have selected under loadout, not the customization tab

[bold sky]

its better to give up about arguing stats in this channel ngl

let people believe fal is the best gun in the game and gas mask is best protection

[crude prism]

I'm not arguing. Just trying to clarify, as is the whole point of the 'make ron understandable' stats sheet

[livid notch]

Yup, Rhodesian Monster is pretty dope

[royal inlet]

maaaan low fps, connection lost, connection lost, connection lost
Heavy stutter, fps drops
I got a 3080Ti and play on High presets

[sharp fulcrum]

Sooo does anyone know if the grenade still explodes when i C2 the door AFTER i cut the trap?? Since the grenade never actually gets removed, only the tripwire gets cut....

[gritty coyote]

is there like a list / guide to morale damage ?
like which action contributes more to lowering enemy morale for a surrender

for instance, hitting a suspect leg with a lethal bullet vs a pepper ball

[glossy drum]

anyone wanna buy me ron :)

[viral bone]

Port Hokan, anyone have issues where they can't report the container with women inside

It won't complete no matter how many times you press it

[gritty coyote]

there is a container with a pimp inside it with laptops
another container in the warehouse with 2 or 3 girls
And then a container outside the warehouse where are many naked people

which one are you referring to

[viral bone]

One that is outside where dialog starts with FISA guy

[gritty coyote]

the FISA guy should ask you to close the container. if you close it you get points

just that, hearing the dialog and closing the container should be all that is needed

[viral bone]

We report it and close it but the prompt to report them still stays

[gritty coyote]

prompt to report? what is that?

objective in the tablet?

[viral bone]

And every time we press F to report them we hear the same dialogue again and again

[gritty coyote]

did you find the other two containers?

[viral bone]

yeah, but this one can't be reported, the task is never completed

we get no points or any text that it's completed

[gritty coyote]

I would just go back and check the other two containers to see if you're missing anything not reported. otherwise it's probably bugged.

[viral bone]

Bug most likely, we reported the other 2

But this one with women inside, can't be completed. It just offers us to press F on it again and again but nothing happens

[shrewd oriole]

Ready or not

Was not ready.

[radiant siren]

honestly

[tender ember]

yeah happened to me too

[viral bone]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1144200/discussions/0/4134934526943077079/

We are not the only ones, link to steam discussion show that...what a mess

[latent flame]

Why the achievements are unlocked only by the 5% of players?

[shrewd oriole]

Swat ai should automatically switch to any available non-lethal to deal with uncomplient people, while mainting lethal cover like actual law enforcement.

They should also be able to use lockpick guns automatically.

[umbral cave]

How long do my officers stick into therapy? Since the 1.0 launch 4 of my officers are still in therapy and the rest of my squad is going to need therapy after the next mission. Also is therapy caused due to more lethal runs?

[wispy forum]

.

[queen ermine]

man i kinda want swat ai's to have a nametag on their back

[shrewd oriole]

More importantly, when balaclava?

[queen ermine]

would be nice to have a helmet light

like,as a seperate thing from helmet gadget

[manic tiger]

I just got oneshot by a 1911 while wearing steel heavy armor

[mystic shuttle]

oof

[manic tiger]

Plz fix the damage scaling!!

[manic tiger]

I’ve been waiting for the balaclava to come back. Most of my outfits aren’t completed without one

[shrewd oriole]

This is so true.

[mystic shuttle]

i think you have to complete missions to get the therapy timer to decrement

[manic tiger]

Also more importantly, can we get like a flat OD green LSPD tactical pants and/or the ability to change patches or outfit presets?

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah the customization system is drippy don't get me wrong but it's half baked

Misses a lot of features I'd like.

The real gamer moment is make them all look like swat 4 dudes.

BUT YOU DONT GET BALACLAVAS.

[manic tiger]

Also for the SWAT 99 helmets, can we get an option where we have anti flash goggles on top fr, it would be awesome when doing cinematics

[woven mountain]

Hey peeps, am a frog eater, does annu frog eater want to play with me ? (french or not i guess(can be non french idgas))

[shrewd oriole]

France 🇲🇫

[craggy sundial]

this new hotfix doesnt do shit to be worth a gigabyte

[shrewd oriole]

[woven mountain]

king ❤️

[shrewd oriole]

No.

[drifting burrow]

do suppressors actually do anything gameplay wise

[craggy sundial]

they couldve made it smaller mann

[drifting burrow]

i remember in the old builds they didn't do anything

[woven mountain]

"ah shit, here go again" as a wise philosopher would say

[shrewd oriole]

I'm not french.

[woven mountain]

i figured, sweet cheeks

[shrewd oriole]

Nuh uh

[woven mountain]

skill issue if you ask me

[shrewd oriole]

Being french is the biggest skill issue

[woven mountain]

Being Non French is, if you ask me

[shrewd oriole]

Surrendering is a skill issue

They patched the swat surrendering bug. But for you they still do it huh

[woven mountain]

Surrender to fuck the N's even better

that's a brain move

[shrewd oriole]

French

[woven mountain]

Bro you're american, chill the f out, check your nearby schools instead

[shrewd oriole]

Idk man seems kinda weird.

[woven mountain]

idk

wanna play ma queen ? ❤️

[shrewd oriole]

Nah I'm already in a game of campaign

[crude prism]

death by 1000 cuts moment

[woven mountain]

cope harder ❤️ you can't have that nice and juicy french Ass

[radiant siren]

I missed alot

[shrewd oriole]

Least goofy french man:

[woven mountain]

Most masculine american man

[shrewd oriole]

French people upon learning about soap:

Bluds typing out a whole vendetta. 💀

[radiant siren]

I love the casual hate towards the french

[crude prism]

[shrewd oriole]

There's no hate only love here

[woven mountain]

Americans learning about other diet (we don't need to shower every day because we don't eat fat shit every day)

[shrewd oriole]

Said the man with the baguette

[woven mountain]

Yes, i love you already king ❤️

[shrewd oriole]

[crude prism]

French people learning they need to shower everyday because otherwise you STINK:

[hardy falcon]

anybody found a way to reduce the random fps drops?

[shrewd oriole]

Wait for update

[crude prism]

U just gotta ask the game nicely

[woven mountain]

Nah you don't king, if you think you stink, you're the problem sorry chief

[crude prism]

It's just a bit my guy. Obviously depending on your day to day you should still shower anyways because otherwise you might STINK

[shrewd oriole]

Anyways what's your opinion on this?

[crude prism]

The fact that you HAVE to tell them to use tasers on hesitating suspects is painful.

especially because of the inherent delay between player commanding them to do stuff

[viral bone]

Why is it so hard to add balaclava 😵

[queen ermine]

jesus christ we need a command that appears once all the suspects are dead/arrested to seperate all swat ai and sweep all the rooms and round up all the civilians because fuck i hate endlessly walking around in circles trying to find that ONE civilian

[crude prism]

See: search and secure command

[queen ermine]

I JUST KILLED THE LAST CIVILIAN BY OPENING THE DOOR AAAAAAA

[shrewd oriole]

I think them automatically using nonnlethals in a realistic way would massively improve their AI.

[queen ermine]

only applies to a given room,not the entire map

[crude prism]

no

[shrewd oriole]

It applies to the whole map

[queen ermine]

shit you right

[crude prism]

Once you have brought order to chaos, it changes. I forget the other text, but the command changes wording and covers the whole map

(keep in mind that the AI will NOT unlock doors, so it's possible they can't reach everyone always)

[shrewd oriole]

Things like automatically using tasers, beanbag shotguns, or pepperspray depending on what's available would ve huge

[crude prism]

Yeah it's a bit weird that the SWAT AI won't deploy NL utility until after the suspects have started fighting

The whole point is that you can get people down beforehand

[queen ermine]

though tbh i could do without the stress system entirely

[woven mountain]

well, tbh, i never had a problem with the ai "switching" to lethal, i give the first dude a shield (remove the second' mags from the others) never had a problem.
They always pepper ball the sus dudes with main 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Yes but if you give the swat lethal primaries but for instance give them a taser, they'd switch to it while still having other members use lethal

[crude prism]

I love shield guys aiming with out of ammo pistols. Very cool

[shrewd oriole]

10/10 ai so big and good

(A year if development went into them)

[crude prism]

The fixes for the AI ammo/behavior with NL stuff should be 'relatively' easy to change. Certainly easier than the reworks that have already been done

[woven mountain]

Why would you give every one a lethal option when you want to S the thing ? that's just asking for trouble
but otherwise, i can Understand. They use the simpler methode (which i can understand, it's mor fun)

[shrewd oriole]

I like arresting them

It makes me feel good

I use lethal but still try my hardest to arrest everyone

[woven mountain]

Good luck with the 1.0 Final release

[shrewd oriole]

I use ai mods so they make somewhat sense

[astral warren]

It's really funny that there was a bug that caused SWAT AI to surrender, I'm sad I never experienced it first hand.

[woven mountain]

I made the same mistake, trusting the Ai too much, now i let them clear the room and i'm the only one running lethal

[astral warren]

My favourite strategy for kevlar wearing suspects is to break all of their ribs with .45ACP so they surrender.

[copper junco]

first thing I read when I hop in here

[astral warren]

lmao

I mean, it works pretty good. So long as you don't miss their armour and hit their arm or leg, otherwise they might actually die instead of getting some owwies.

Also slugs are good at getting compliance from suspects with big boy steel armour. I appreciate that the game seems to consider the actual energy behind a projectile and how it would feel for the target, even if they are armoured.

[crude prism]

Certified: slugs having 10,000% bleed chance moment incoming

[shrewd oriole]

I'm now going to have to complete my campaign to then start another in Ironman

That i will do completely non lethal and without any deaths

To complete 3 achievements in one run

[crude prism]

Nightmare nightmare nightmare

[frigid geyser]

Why my illuminator doesn't change when I'm changing presets....

[full shore]

Presets bugged

Sometimes

[frigid geyser]

How many patches are needed to unbug them?

[full shore]

Who knows lol

[frigid geyser]

Annoying af

[full shore]

Solution: always run the same load out 🐸

[frigid geyser]

Nahh, there are different approaches with different gear for different missions

[abstract nymph]

can someone verify for me if the memorial room with the themis is acutally in memorial of real officers

[sleek spire]

do you guys use Q and E by default or bind them somewhere else to move around easier with wasd?

[rocky latch]

nope by default

[sleek spire]

thinking of binding leaning to my mouse

[rocky latch]

im thinking ur a sociopath

[sleek spire]

i have flashlight/and something else on my mouse already lol

[crude prism]

Honestly I probably use the alt-leaning most of the time over the q/e lean

[sleek spire]

just kinda wish the alt lean you could also move with it

[full shore]

That'd be quite difficult

[crude prism]

Being able to shuffle to the side would be really nice

[sleek spire]

i'll give a try probably tonight, can't wait to lean out and immediately get dinged in the forehead lol

[rocky latch]

The game isn't that hard lol

[native rune]

If you have lean on toggle instead of hold it makes side movement while leaning easier

[fading hemlock]

yeah same 🤣

[crude prism]

Truth is that the q/e lean just doesn't lean you enough. So you gotta use the alt-lean which you can't move with

[sleek spire]

ive seen gameplay videos where people lean and move pretty seamlessly and im just like stuttering around with leaning like a crazy person lol

[rocky latch]

what do you find difficult about it?

[sleek spire]

mostly just trying to hold Q and pressing A at the same time to check around corners

like it's just an awkward holding position so was trying to see if anyone else had a better setup

[woven mountain]

If you have a mouse with sides buttons, try using them, it made a world of difference

[sleek spire]

yea, using a g502, will probably do that then

tyty

[rocky latch]

u can do it with one finger

press both of them at once

it gets cancer for me to have to shift walk and alt and lean at the same time

but thats the only situation where i feel my hand

[fallen lotus]

is there a reason to keep spectating after dying?

[sleek spire]

on single player probably not, but i spectated once and watched the AI SWAT clear the entire map without dying without me once

[fading hemlock]

how do i fix not having any more vests apart from stab vest

[sleek spire]

i felt so bad lmfao

[celest folio]

Is there any reason why everytime my game updates i have to download the whole game again?

[fallen lotus]

kinda boring i just restart lol

[sleek spire]

yea, i don't think you'll clear without a good rank anyway if you die so might as well just restart

[celest folio]

I verify the integrity of the game files and it claims that its missing like 80% of the game files?? Thats not possible? I was playing the game yesterday before they released the delete 80% of my game update

[hearty parrot]

Bind alt lean to your crouch

[astral warren]

Is there any reason the SWAT AI feels compelled to run into an uncleared room to arrest a guy who was just shooting at him a few moments ago? 9/10 times my guys die in singleplayer it's because they make rambo arrests and just run into uncleared areas and then get stuck in the arrest animation.

And then shot dead because they can't stop arresting someone to deal with someone shooting at them, I guess.

[full shore]

Gotta use the hold command

[brave bridge]

ah yeah they do be doing that

swat knows better than that

[marble whale]

When I spectate AI they always spend 20 mins clearing what I’ve already cleared only to stack up on a doorway and stop moving

[celest folio]

So lets do the maths with my game for a sec, if the game has 57.7gb of files and when i verify it, it verifies 57.7 gbs of files, there cant be 40 gb of files missing can there?

So why do i need to install 40gb worth of files?

[marble whale]

🛢️

[ruby bloom]

ready or meow

[marble whale]

It has to copy the update over onto the thing or something

[celest folio]

Well if it has to copy 40gb of siles its coded like shit

[marble whale]

That’s why there’s 2 different download sizes

[celest folio]

Thats not how updates are meant to work

Its meant to be like a 1.7gb update

[marble whale]

I think it depends wether things are being added or if they’re being changed

[shrewd oriole]

1.7gb update for nothing

[manic tiger]

I’m ngl, Fall In has to automatically trigger whenever you cross into a new room

[umbral oar]

hey man we got new languages

[manic tiger]

I repeatedly die because they won’t fall in even after I command them and I cross into a new room

[shrewd oriole]

And?

[celest folio]

Yea and it fucking breaks every time it updates at all, it always needs 40gb of file redownloading afterward

[shrewd oriole]

Issues are still insanely prevalent.

[marble whale]

Anyone else get the bug where in multiplayer when it says you’ve completed an objective at the bottom of the screen it’s in a different language?

[stone bay]

I think some people just can't read

[celest folio]

Why the fuck would i want 1.7gb of fixes if i have to download basically the whole game again

[marble whale]

To play the game I guess

[celest folio]

I want to play the fucking game not peperpetually fucking download it

[marble whale]

Well at least it’s being fixed

Honestly I think the enemy AI is fine

And SWAT AI is peak

[celest folio]

Id rather it stay broken if it means that i dont have to download 90% of it every time there is an update

Theres nothing wrong with the game

[stone bay]

u didn't play relapse, did u?

[manic tiger]

SWAT AI is great, but it still needs work

[marble whale]

Took me 20 hours

[manic tiger]

Relapse just makes them crash

[marble whale]

Enjoyed all of it

[stone bay]

they don't even have option to enter some rooms

[marble whale]

Took a supernova shotgun and blasted all the enemies heads off

[manic tiger]

Also suspect AI can somehow detect me and snipe me across the map on Port when I don’t even have my FOV able to reach that far

[stone bay]

yeah

bc if u are in line of their sight u are dead

[marble whale]

Has anyone seen RoNs Reddit

[fickle wren]

the ai in the game is simply better

[manic tiger]

Kind of absurd, why should the AI be able to hit me when I can’t even see them?

FOV wise

[marble whale]

Half the posts are “AI too difficult” and the other half are “post office/brisa cove too hard”

[stone bay]

that's why in patch notes there are mentioned AI issues

they will fix it

[manic tiger]

Post is hard because of AI wall banging lol

[marble whale]

I think it’s one of the best missions

If you take proper cover you’ll be fine

[manic tiger]

While I do find it enjoyable, clearing it isn’t really fun when you’re being hit constantly through the walls

[crude prism]

Post office is honestly fine minus a few spots where the visual clutter is nuts, just needs more vision blockers for AI.

A lot of other maps don't have favorable cover though, which is where the much-too-accurate wallbanging comes into play

[drifting burrow]

the warehouse part of the post office is bs lmao it's basically getting shot city

best way to clear it imo is come from the outer parking lot on the side

[crude prism]

The room under the upstairs office sucks. The actual packing/conveyor area is fine

[drifting burrow]

can i not say that word, all i said was that room is death (in a self inflicted manner)

[crude prism]

You can say suicide, but not all the time for some reason (?)

[drifting burrow]

bruh lmao

[crude prism]

Did you use the word commit in front of it?

The automod might zap you for using it in a certain way that could be misinterpreted as telling someone to

lel

[drifting burrow]

it threw it out again

[crude prism]

Clearly skill issue

[drifting burrow]

cmon man ive seen suspects ingame do this, at least let me type the word here

[prime wing]

Suicide

[prime wing]

You have a role in think

Wait, does it even matter with a role

[crude prism]

screenshotting and putting this in my based posts compilation

[crude prism]

Survey says no.
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[drifting burrow]

yeah i cant say that room is self inflicted death, it doesn't let me

it threw it out again

[tough spire]

An Hero

Sup RoN. How's the dying?

[crude prism]

fortnite battlepass

[faint stump]

Bro, Greased palms is rough to S rank. these fuckers out here using HPVOs with like active ping systems or some shit.

[tough spire]

Greased S is bruuuutal. That's where I'm stuck too 🥲

[faint cradle]

FYI hide and seek objective is bugged rn. I found this out by S ranking the level and getting an A+ because of it 😑

[full shore]

How do you know you got S rank if you got an A+?

[hardy falcon]

Maybe its just me, but the later levels in ron just arent that fun. They are way too big for a 5 stack, they just feel like killhouses, horrible fps drops and it just doesnt seem like a lot of effort when into them, unlike the first ones

[prime wing]

Perhaps it is the order they were placed in

In regards to how they feel

Quality wise I feel that it is not consistent

[pearl shuttle]

nah, it just feels like they were trying to differentiate themselves from swat 4's map design

which isn't a bad thing conceptually

[tough spire]

This game is Early Access no matter what they claim ;P

[lucid minnow]

they should have kept it in early access for at least 6 more months imo, or at least reduce the release price a little because 50 dollars is a little steep for the state of some mechanics atm

[tough spire]

Agreeeeeeeeeeed

[hardy falcon]

yes honestly, its a great game but not ready. it needs a lot of polishing

[lucid minnow]

exactly

[hardy falcon]

also the hospital one for example, it feels like a killhouse instead of a medical centre

the first levels do feel like what theyre supposed to be

[tough spire]

How would it be any different, though

[hardy falcon]

patients that couldnt have evacuated the icus, the person in the or from the 911 call etc

tieing it up with scenario and briefing

[lucid minnow]

i understand from a game design standpoint they want to ramp the difficulty up as you go farther along in the story progression but it feels a bit botched in execution

[white goblet]

Hi

[lucid minnow]

• the removal of the different game modes in the briefing menu kills replayability

[hardy falcon]

also i want a secure perimeter for all maps, it doesnt really make sense not to have it

[tough spire]

There's some great videos of a real SWAT officer playing RoN and criticizing stuff like this

[hardy falcon]

also, a sense of urgency, which i just dont get from the missions that are supposed to be active shooters, like the school or club

[bright valley]

If you're talking about Chris the Cop, oh man you should see his most recent 213 Park Homes vid.

[faint cradle]

Playing as fast as possible does make the game feel 100 times cooler at least. Do wish there was some time pressure on more maps than elephant

[white goblet]

[tough spire]

Yes I am, and I haven't seen that one yet.

Starting it now

[hardy falcon]

i agree but i feel like the ai just cant really do it well, they are much better for a deliberate clear than a dynamic

[faint cradle]

The ai is really weird with this too. Sometimes they can dynamic just fine following you and other times they just walk backwards past open doors

[tough spire]

I hit Elephant on my Ironman no-shield/gas/mirror/wedge and I'm so nervous about those bomb timers tho.

[hardy falcon]

what happens if they go off? is there an animation? ive never had it happen

[tough spire]

You die

[faint cradle]

I have just been ignoring the bombs until after getting a few suspects and it works pretty well for me since there are only 4

[tough spire]

Probably smart. I do that on Hospital

[bright valley]

If you know the layout of the school and you make sure to go direct-to-threat when you hear things, the bombs shouldn't be an issue.

[faint cradle]

but man that 7.62 is angry

[bright valley]

I find the bombs on Elephant are only a problem if you're, like, stacking up and clearing every room like it's a regular map.

[prime mural]

is the 357 single action or something? it feels slow af

[prime mural]

my first clear of elephant i died bc i couldnt find both bombs fast enough. rushed it

[tough spire]

Single would require you to manually cock it every time

[little pond]

i think in real life you wouldnt even have swat it would be regular patrol officers geared up with vests and rifles and clearing room to room without stopping

bc by the time swat is ready and arrives on scene its probably too late

[tough spire]

(||In real life they'd be an hour late because they stood outside too scared to go in||)

[bright valley]

Ultimately, you still want to check all the rooms, but you need to cut corners by just getting like one or two people far enough inside to determine if there's a bomb or suspect in there and then pull out.

Instead of flooding.

[gloomy wadi]

Yeah I've just discovered this too, so annoying cos it's the last I need to S rank & I can do it every time, but cos of that buggy objective I can't complete it

[prime mural]

i really wish the revolver had a flashlight

[sour furnace]

Bro I just had a terrorist on Neon Tomb cap himself, GET BACK UP, grab his rifle again, and point it at me, then when I drop him I GET UNAUTHED USE OF FORCE 💀

[tough spire]

omfg RIP

[bright valley]

I'm imagining you were just watching him with folded arms the whole time, not buying the act for one second.

[faint cradle]

I feel like I get the opposite where I can beanbag a civilian 5 times in a panic and the game doesn't even notice

[ivory kiln]

that's why you shoot them on sight

no mercy for the terrorists

[tough spire]

The game is so much more forgiving of RoE than it used to be pre-1.0. You can shoot people freely a lot more now than is obvious most of the time.

[junior stone]

Is there any way for me to ensure I can draw my taser FIRST without taking out any other equipment?

When I need my taser, I need it immediately, and taking out C2 or a wedge first instead and needing to toggle it over presents an issue.

[hexed escarp]

is it just me or is the game still super laggy even on low graphics

taking up like 6k mb of memory 😭

[sour furnace]

there's a mod to replace your secondary with a taser

But yeah this game would benefit from an equipment wheel SO much

[junior stone]

Thank you, I'll look into it. The weapon wheel is a good idea.

Is the beanbag shotgun still the most effective Less-than-Lethal weapon overall? Imagine I'm going for S rank, I don't care if it takes my primary slot. And assume I use it perfectly, so the highest skill ceiling weapon.

[tough spire]

Or at least let us use door wedges as a bludgeon.

[crude prism]

We've come full circle LMAO

[sour furnace]

I think so yeah, insta-stuns folks you shoot unlike the pepperball.

[tough spire]

Pepperball has higher skill ceiling tbh, Beanbag is so much more forgiving

There's only a small handful of enemies immune to pepperball/gass

[hexed escarp]

i thought beanbag kills on headshots

i've never killed somebody with pepperball

[tough spire]

Beanbag has a lethality chance, yes, pepperball does not

You actually want to headshot with the pepperball

[hexed escarp]

pepperball is fun cause you can speedsoft suspects

[bright valley]

In your loadout, set all your tactical equipment to zero, then give yourself the taser first before adding any wedges/C2. It'll remember the order you added them to your loadout, and the taser should become the first short tactical when you press 4.

[tough spire]

Holy crap what. That is so useful to know 💀

[bright valley]

Same trick applies with grenades if you want to bring more than one kind of grenade.

[tough spire]

I am simultaneously swearing and relieved right now at this revelation.

[sleek spire]

i think i saw a player pepperball the ground around a suspect and it caused them to cough too, thought that was pretty neat

[tough spire]

Correct - you can create little gas clouds on impact.

If you know someone is corner camping a doorway, for example, you can pepperball it to make them retreat/cough/surrender

[sleek spire]

im not sure if i want to try that myself tho, sometimes it feels like they don't react to pepperball fast enough especially if they're already aiming to shoot you

oh damn that's pretty interesting

[tough spire]

Pepperball is def. a high skill ceiling weapon. You really need to hit first, shoot a lot, aim for the head...

[sleek spire]

been using shotguns way more recently

[crude prism]

shotguns banging fr post 1.0

very enjoyable

[tired kestrel]

the developers of this game are really good

at making unsettling creepy missions

[sleek spire]

the first time i was in that one level with all the explosive trap doors i ran that solo and it was pretty scary lol

hospital level was pretty fun too until later in the level my PC started chugging and then realized there's bomb defusal there too

[tired kestrel]

dude, the fucking valley of the dolls basement

seriously, which unhinged dev even thought of that

[sleek spire]

oh yea the red room lol

i didn't find that area my first playthrough lol; when i came across it again that shit was so disturbing with the crib/kids room

the video tape wall with all the names made me just wanna go straight back upstairs and unalive Voll

[tired kestrel]

i did the whole mission while capturing voll and everything but i looked for a singular civilian for like 30 minutes

at the end i just killed one of the civilians and ended the mission i was so done

[sleek spire]

usually i do search and secure and if the AI doesn't move then its probably a room i didn't check

then i gotta scour the whole thing again; the port level was so bad for that

couldn't find the last guy for like 15 minutes until he ran outside himself

[tired kestrel]

also in the hotel mission, i was scared shitless for a full hour looking for terrorists

at the end two of my squad members died, and the rest left because they had a crisis

i dont blame them for leaving that was nightmarish for me too

[frail quartz]

Don't you have to go into it to complete the mission?

[sleek spire]

i didn't go into the red room the first time, didn't think there was another door leading back there

[frail quartz]

Yeah but you HAVE to go through the red room to get the last flashdrive, don't you?

[sleek spire]

i checked the room in front and no one was there, got someone in a different room in the basement and got the soft complete option

[tired kestrel]

i dont think you have to

[sleek spire]

nah i dipped early my first time cuz i was almost dead lol; two officers were down so it was a wash anyway

i lost 2 people in the big staircase

[tired kestrel]

whats yalls favorite mission btw

[sleek spire]

probably raiding that one guy's apartment while he's streaming lol

[tired kestrel]

lol same

[tough spire]

Just finished it. Good on him for uploading it to call out the devs.

[sleek spire]

i died so many times getting to that guy's streaming setup room and he just has a freaking shotgun in there sometimes

other times he's in the living room

[tired kestrel]

probably the most innocent one that doesnt involve any kind of human trafficking / drugs / terrorism

[sleek spire]

wait no, that guy is trafficking kids tho

[tired kestrel]

wait is he? i thought it was just bitcoin mining

[sleek spire]

there's pictures of kids on his nightstand drawer and he's selling kids on his 3rd left most monitor

yea you have to report his discord page and the nightstand for 100% S

[tired kestrel]

i cant catch a break huh

[static musk]

no one can

[sleek spire]

only the first gas station level is completely free from cursed shit iirc

[tired kestrel]

isnt there a child in there

[sleek spire]

Mindjot level is also part of the human trafficking ring operation busts

[twin python]

there is, and the manager blasted by a shotgun, and a dead dog

[sleek spire]

yea but i don't think they were being trafficked? They were just hiding from the suspects

[tired kestrel]

yeah its probably the least cursed mission in the game, makes sense its the first mission

[sleek spire]

there wasn't much lore in the first one other than a robbery gone super wrong i think

the port one was super fucked up, when i found out the dungeon in the boxes LOL

[tired kestrel]

i didnt do the port one yet, im in the car dealership right now

im taking a break chatting in here after doing that nightclub level

[sleek spire]

oh good luck with that one, that place is pretty big; also the rain makes my PC lag so being outside was super cancer

[tired kestrel]

after doing that fucking hotel mission i think i can do everything

[sleek spire]

i always kill the main terrorist guy on nightclub by accident

[tired kestrel]

yeah i killed him too

but i beat it on my first playthrough

[sleek spire]

same with in the hospital, i just turn the corner and accidentally dump a mag into their brain from getting jumpscared

[tired kestrel]

all i need is happy nation in the backround

[static musk]

not fido

[sleek spire]

oh yea i forgot about the dog lol

[twin python]

that was the most horrible casualty in that whole mission

[sleek spire]

have to go full john wick on them now lol

[static musk]

use frags👍

[sleek spire]

wait we have frags?

[tired kestrel]

is the GA416 good?

[sleek spire]

ive only ever used flash/gas/stingers lol

[frail quartz]

It's not unusable but has an unnatural amount of recoil compared to some of the other 5.56 weapons

[tired kestrel]

what weapon should i use then?

because i aint sure

[frail quartz]

If you still want a 5.56 AR, the ARWC is probably the best option in terms of sheer recoil

If you want to metamax anyways, there's still plenty of good options

[tired kestrel]

idc about the ammo type i just need a good gun

[static musk]

mods, ye

[sleek spire]

ah ok lol; the only mods ive downloaded are just custom maps

[stone stump]

G36C is the best in terms of recoil

[bright valley]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973 Probably the most comprehensive resource on this question, though when it comes to how the guns feel I think there's room for personal preference.

[tired kestrel]

alright thanks, i hope its not a virus

[frail quartz]

By AR I was referring to the AR platform

[tired kestrel]

ok its not thanks

[bright valley]

It's pinned to this channel lol

[sleek spire]

what sidearm do you guys prefer

[tough spire]

USP/5-7

[sleek spire]

yea i like the USP a lot too; that or bertta

[bright valley]

G19, USP, or 5-7 depending on how hard I want to hit.

[sleek spire]

haven't really used the 1911 ones yet, not sure why there's two of them to choose from

[frail quartz]

JHP 57 is still my go-to

[crude prism]

I pinky promise at most you'll get a headache from looking at the colors

[frail quartz]

One is a modern variant and one is a classic variant

[sleek spire]

also kinda wish we had an option to choose the color of fiveseven

would just prefer all black

[bright valley]

All black fiveseven is pretty damn slick-looking.

[tough spire]

rofl I run USP for my black camo builds and 5-7 for my multicam builds for that reason

[tired kestrel]

ill probably just keep using the g36c then

thanks for this

[tired kestrel]

i like the colors, makes it easy to understand

[prime mural]

can you bag and arrest for the magnum achievement or ai only

[sleek spire]

wait is the MK-18 and MK-16 the same thing, i actually can't remember

or is one just shorter

[bright valley]

Definitely not.

[stone stump]

didn't know there was an ar platform. i always described it as ar15 style smh

[crude prism]

MK-16 is the scar-l
MK-18 is the not-an-m4

[sleek spire]

the mk-18 is the m4 looking one right

[frail quartz]

That's kind what "ar15 style" means

[frail quartz]

The default primary, yeah

[tired kestrel]

alright, time to do this car mission

hope its not like that hotel mission

[stone stump]

so misleading definitions as usual, man i love english

[sleek spire]

im looking through the googledoc and just see the 9mm warning and remembered unloading an mp5 into a suspects heavily armored chest and he barely flinched LOL

[bright valley]

Guns in particular. I swear half the terminology around this shit was invented for the explicit purpose of maximizing pedantry down the line

[stone stump]

yeah, spalling is not actually spalling because why not...

[sleek spire]

what does L2/L3A in the doc mean? Like the level of armor?

im guessing at least from just context reading

[stone stump]

yes, it's only for suspects tho

[hexed escarp]

i think crystal leighton despawned i cant find her anywhere

[frail quartz]

L2 is supposed to be Kevlar, L3A ceramic, and L4 steel, but they don't actually have the same protection as the equivalent player armor

[hexed escarp]

nvmi found her

[tough spire]

Did you look in the wrong freezer area?

[hexed escarp]

yeah i forgot where the little closet shes in was

[tough spire]

I have done that so many times

[hexed escarp]

im currently spraying 5.56 at her feet for making me look so long

stupid child fr

[bright valley]

She's in a static location lol

[tough spire]

How dare you assume we're smart

[sleek spire]

lol the supernova description in the doc that says it might serve well during eco rounds

csgo/2 reference?

[tough spire]

Absolutely is

[bright valley]

Oh, also, fun fact about her, her voice lines are in the folder for Brixley Talent Time, alongside a male child. Seems like unused content to have child civilians in that map.

[tough spire]

They do say "watch for children" when you enter

[stone stump]

i don't think shotguns are eco round things anymore

[fervent orbit]

is port the hardest map to s rank

[sleek spire]

did this game used to have eco? I only started playing at 1.0

[hexed escarp]

i never take that advice

[tough spire]

Why would you, there are no harmable children

[hexed escarp]

i like to CS gas every single room

[bright valley]

It's a reference to counter-strike.

[stone stump]

no, i was talking about cs

[hexed escarp]

i wish there were sometimes i mfin hate crystal

[sleek spire]

ah ok LOL; then yea 😂

[bright valley]

She's in a static location lmfao

[hexed escarp]

my first time on 4u i couldnt find her for like 15 minutes maybe

[prime mural]

interesting port is considered easier than cherryessa or hospital on the spreadsheet

[hexed escarp]

port cant be that hard, its all soft targets right

[bright valley]

Yeah, some parts of the spreadsheet are opinions

[hexed escarp]

nobody is wearing bulletproof vests

[bright valley]

I don't see many others attempting to collect and organize all that information though.

[livid notch]

port is not that bad - a lot of open spaces, but without clutter (like in case of greased palms)

[prime mural]

difficulty is def subjective

[prime mural]

greased palm bad, but i was thinking cherryessa isnt that hard

[crude prism]

Suspects become mildly incompetent at range, which port has a lot of. (as well as good cover with most items being metal or at least thick)

The weapon rating page and map difficulty are subjective. Everything else is just stats

[livid notch]

there are some tricky angles here and there, but map is managable

[fervent orbit]

how does it compare to like hospital

port i mean in terms of difficulty

cherryessa is definitely not that bad to s rank

[prime mural]

imo the large areas many angles do make it hardest along with suspect count and less linear map

[sleek spire]

i only did cherryessa once, that level lowkey kinda scares me LOL

[marble whale]

Cherryessa is harder than hospital imo

[bright valley]

One of the things that makes Port a pain in the ass is how much it diverges from the core design that most of the game's mechanics are built around. Stacking up alongside doors to bang and clear rooms is kind of a crapshoot when there aren't rooms or doors.

[prime mural]

yeh

[sleek spire]

same, feels like im playing a csgo level

[stone stump]

weird, nothing scary about the map...

[fervent orbit]

can i utilize the ai on port at all or do i have to kinda solo it

[bright valley]

Playing with human teammates is a different experience of course, but the AI SWAT officers don't really know how to handle it.

[livid notch]

hospital is a chore tbh

[fervent orbit]

my hospital s rank playthrough took 60 minutes

[stone stump]

they are useful to snipe out suspects across the map before they do

[bright valley]

As an addendum, this is why Sins of the Father is objectively based as fuck

[fervent orbit]

sins of the father is an s tier map in all aspects

[crude prism]

Sins is great, lots of fun

[stone stump]

the worst map is definitely greased palms

[prime mural]

port just has so many damn people and is such a big map

[tired kestrel]

time to play hide and seek with the last civilian

[prime mural]

kinda makes it hard to nade ppl

[frail quartz]

So THAT'S why it got its name...

[prime mural]

also y do sins of father have flash tripwires

[sleek spire]

i had a really good run then went into one of the rooms on the 2nd floor that is a main room and a bathroom i think directly to the right and i checked left first and immediately got 1 shot lol

[sleek spire]

i tihnk i would still prefer the flash tripwires than the two random explosive ones in Ides of March lol

[full shore]

Sins is such a good map. One of my favorites for sure

[sleek spire]

i had the first door i opened by fire exit stairs be the tripwire and it's never spawned in that spot again since

[bright valley]

I think a consistent weak point in the SWAT AI is threats that are outside of the room they're occupying. Having lines of sight outside of the "rooms" you traverse in Greased Palms is pretty much the mission/map's entire gimmick, so this is at the core of why they struggle with it.

[prime mural]

oh yeah fs im just surprised theres 2 types of trips

[tired kestrel]

i spent one hour in that mission scared shitless for every single second

that a terrorist will jumpscare me

sins is definitely the hardest mission ive done yet

[tough spire]

Need help? 😛

I swear it's become my mission to help people ace that place

[tired kestrel]

oh i already finished it a while ago, i meant that it was nightmarish to do so

[tough spire]

haha fair enough

[sleek spire]

Sins i think was one of the few levels i actually ran out of shotgun slug ammo lol

[bright valley]

I could be talking out of my ass, but I think it just fits the character of the rogue secret service agents being a bit more "surgical" in their approach as a faction.

[tired kestrel]

alright, next mission is carriers of the vine

is it a hard one?

[sleek spire]

gl, yea it's hard lol

[tired kestrel]

harder than sins?

[sleek spire]

a lot of civilians there look the same as the suspects

and they all wear masks i think

[tough spire]

If they used the flashbangs to ambush you instead of just... going off and you can wait a minute to recover it'd be awesome. lol

[tired kestrel]

time to shoot everyone

[prime mural]

true i got super spooked the first time it happened then it never happened again in the 5 playthroughs i did

[sleek spire]

"TOC, they were all suspects, it was self defense"

[tired kestrel]

"Roger that."

[bright valley]

Doubly so 'cause I bet you could exploit this for a counter-ambush. Breaching shotgun to a trapped door, flash triggers, suspect pops out of cover

[tough spire]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-ned-coming-right-for-us-gif-4253435673824093437

[tough spire]

omg I bet you can do that now to some degree. Have you ever tried?

[bright valley]

I have not, just speculating if their behavior was as you described.

[tough spire]

I almost never see the flashbangs so I've not spent the time to try a trick like that

[tired kestrel]

whats the hardest mission in the game?

[prime mural]

probably greased palm or port

[full shore]

Carriers of the vine is hardest imo

[bright valley]

Honestly, I love being super extra with tactics lol. Blame r6 siege.

[tough spire]

Carriers for me

[tired kestrel]

great, im doing that now

[full shore]

👍

[tired kestrel]

does carriers of the vine have traps

[tough spire]

No thank god

[tired kestrel]

phew

[sleek spire]

"put em on safe and let em hang"

[tired kestrel]

OK DUDE WHAT THE FUCK

ARE THESE MASKS

can this game have one mission that isnt creepy asf???

yk what, im gonna leave this mission for tomorrow

[bright valley]

I only recently realized you can beeline to the cellar in Carriers of the Vine without visiting much of the map, and that intrigues me, since it can take you to the tower.

[prime mural]

i woudlnt want to leave the whole house flankable tho

[sleek spire]

yea LOL

[prime mural]

that mf garden area always makes me pucker. so much glass