👮ron-discussion

[urban walrus]

That's their plan, bringing the 1.0 version to the best state that it can be before going to 1.1

[tough spire]

LOL sorry I tried. Former teacher in me really wanted to help 😂

[glass dune]

house is with or without an?

[limber steppe]

whichever update reintroduces balaclavas is going to be the best one of them all

[tough spire]

Do you say House with a hard "H" sound like "Who"?

[limber steppe]

even if there's an update that does only that, I'll still find it the best

[fading hemlock]

looking back some of the bugs RON had were just so funny like AI SWAT randomly surrendering 🤣 but ofc the amazing team fixed these bugs

[glass dune]

no

[tough spire]

Then you'd say "an house." If you DID say it with a hard H sound like "who" you'd say "a house"

[limber steppe]

If you're not sure just read the word out loud, if you hear a vowel at the beginning of the word use "an", if you don't then use "a"

[glass dune]

wait so i can write whatever i want then

[tough spire]

I mean. You can write whatever you want regardless. But that's the rule for a/an.

[glass dune]

you said it depends how i pronounce it

[tough spire]

An American will look at you funny for saying "an house" because we typically pronounce a hard H on house but who cares.

[prime wing]

what did I just walked into

[limber steppe]

english lesson

[tough spire]

This is my ESL corner, welcome.

[prime wing]

fair enough

[glass dune]

the hotfix was about language so...

[prime wing]

oui

[tough spire]

An oui.

[glass dune]

jawohl

[tough spire]

An jawohl.

[mossy ridge]

wait

they added russian?

[tough spire]

Oh wait it's a soft J on that isn't it.

[mossy ridge]

there is nothing about it in the hotfix but it's there

[winter halo]

yoo, what's the 1.6 gb update?

[tough spire]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/3872596847173023719?l=english

[limber steppe]

god the polish mission names are so funny 😭

[winter halo]

oh, thanks, the news tab was'nt loading for me

[tough spire]

I'm iced in today so I guess I'm just gonna lurk here with that in my paste bin and give English as a Secondary Language lessons.

[limber steppe]

imagine how cool it'd be if they added localised voiceovers

[hearty parrot]

imagine how cool itd be for the female officer to be added

[winter halo]

wait for 2.0

[tough spire]

So far women are: Abuse victims turned militant feminist death cultists, unashamed porn stars, clotheless and in crates, or the only civilians that can kill you.

[velvet steeple]

2025 accurate

[tough spire]

And that response right there is why I am have no faith in that being a good idea.

[humble pelican]

Them also gonna have probably less durability i suppose... so yeah its not good idea

[umbral oar]

chance to declare independence and refuse to follow orders

[tough spire]

Tbh all officers should have that chance on stress levels.

[hearty parrot]

stress is stupid you wanted to be swat youre the best of the best to be on the team

[tough spire]

Ideally, sure. In reality not necessarily

[humble pelican]

Imagine trees starting to speak vietnamese

[umbral oar]

imagine telling an officer “deploy taser” and they just stare

[tough spire]

SWAT isn't like, Rainbow Six levels of competent. Also we keep hiring brand new officers out of Los Suenos before they go into crisis and quit/die.

[hearty parrot]

they already do that

[umbral oar]

its a feature!

[humble pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hearty parrot]

look its all on the table probably

[tough spire]

The taser is absolutely broken right now anyway.

Doesn't work half the time even for players

[limber widget]

have they said anything about changing the ridiculous ai reaction time?

[heady hawk]

What is this update for 1.6 gb?

[round frigate]

no, just that balancing is coming soon™️

[limber steppe]

They're focusing future hotfixes on addressing it

[limber widget]

good. really needs it, haven't been playing the game at all waiting for them

[limber widget]

nice

[tough spire]

Just stop facechecking alert enemies. It's fine. 😛

[round frigate]

umm and classic moment of scanning all files 56GB cuz of update 😩

[zenith granite]

Is anyone else’s game updating?

Is it a hotfix or what is it I don’t see an announcement

[round frigate]

http://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/3872596847173023719

[slim fern]

and it's telling me I don't have enough space for the update even though It's 1.6 gb in 24 gb

[slim fern]

Its literally posted in the game's tab if you opened it

[zenith granite]

I just have a shortcut on my desktop so it doesn’t show me anything

[maiden arch]

Does the hot fix reset progression on cosmetics/campaign if you were using the nocrack ai mod?

[sour furnace]

Saw the patch notes, that mean they fixed the subtitles?

[zenith granite]

I didn’t load it trough steam if that makes sense

[zenith granite]

Thanks

[slim fern]

GEORGE M GONE NOOO

[hearty parrot]

no, why would it

[tough spire]

George M will always be in our hearts.

[maiden arch]

Saw someone on Reddit saying it did for them and I’m at work so I was just curious. Thanks for answering 👍

[hearty parrot]

that was probably just a bug

[sour furnace]

RoN mods never seemed that stable/quality to me

[slim fern]

that or they wiped their saves while cleaning out their drive

[slim fern]

you're dead wrong when it comes to maps

[sour furnace]

Oh of course, maps don't really count.

[round frigate]

if u want u can backup ur saves just in case C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\ReadyOrNot\Saved

[sour furnace]

But the mechanic/cosmetic mods never seemed good enough to make a permanent place in my game.

Hopefully that changes eventually

[fickle glacier]

Random thing that annoys me. People talking about the Wendigo on Rust Belt. I'm pretty sure it's supposed the be a Skinwalker.

[bright marten]

gunfighter is one of the few mods that I actually like

[sour furnace]

What's that one do again?

[maiden arch]

Thanks man, will do

[faint cradle]

There's a wendigo?

[bright marten]

it makes weapon handling better and whatnot

[sour furnace]

May check it out

[maiden arch]

I like the brighter flashlights mod too

[fickle glacier]

Well like I said, pretty sure it's actually a Skinwalker. But yes.

[bright marten]

yeah 100%, rip your FPS though

[sour furnace]

I assume it's the whole ||"baby crying"|| thing.

[slim fern]

It's not a mythical creature, but a ghost and it's looking at you near the stalagmite columns. There's evidence alluding to this as well when you get A rank.

[sour furnace]

yo spooky asl

[fickle glacier]

That and the eyes in the darkness.

[stone bay]

ok but what if its just some random baby

[sour furnace]

👀

[stone bay]

embarked on a side quest

[slim fern]

bro that is the child

[round frigate]

Anyone knows if my team is at bad stress lvl will it go up if Im gonna do some previous maps on S? or just wait for them to get crisis and send them to therapy?

[slim fern]

did you do elephant? that level is always hardwired to give stress to officers

[round frigate]

yup

[fickle glacier]

Immitating voices and crying is a fairly common part of Skinwalke lore.

[sour furnace]

min-maxxing your comrades-in-arms' mental health is hilarious.

[round frigate]

im thinking about replaying like ends of the earth cuz this should be easy S

[slim fern]

but we're in the border with mexico. Wendigo is more up north dummy

skin walkers as well

[sour furnace]

Skinwalkers and Wendigos are two VERY different things

[hearty parrot]

killing suspects will increase their stress to use LTL to arrest suspects on like thank you, come again to lower their stress

[tough spire]

Real winning strategy is to ignore roster entirely and just go in with the blank defaults they give you when you don't assign someone

[zenith granite]

Feels like theirs a lot more suspects at the beginning of Port now

[bitter mason]

a 1.6 gig update scheduled for tomorrow for ron???

[faint cradle]

Is there any real reason not to do this though? Like you can do a huge amount of micromanagment for a tiny increase in AI performance

[bitter mason]

wait no nvm

[fickle glacier]

Skinwalkers and Wendigos are not the same thing. They have some similarities and serve a similar purpose far as cultural stories go, but fall to different tribes in different parts of the country. Skinwalkers are very much a southwest thing.

[round frigate]

I just unlocked this map and now u guys make me scared to play it I've only seen screenshot of the eyes

[sour furnace]

💀 That patch is out rn no?

[tough spire]

I literally stopped caring about my AI and it has saved me so much time and effort.

[sour furnace]

It's a spooky fuckin map

[humble pelican]

yeah it is

[sour furnace]

Had me more clenched than 213 Park

[slim fern]

say what you want but It's GHOSTS. SPOOKY ASS GHOSTS

[bitter mason]

yeah yeah that was just steam download queue confusing me

[round frigate]

basement radio in valley of the dolls was spooky af for me (when u link it to the map lore, barrels etc.)

[fickle glacier]

I mean I guess the important part is the supernatural is confirmed in the world of Ready or Not, lol.

[sour furnace]

Real and true

Halloween map is gonna be the cabin raid but in the pitch dark with skinwalkers that pretend to be civs

[fickle glacier]

Dude, what if the reason Gerard Scott went nuts was he accidently found all the government files related to the paranormal?

[sour furnace]

fuck yeah

I swear RON is THIS CLOSE to being a horror game that if they leaned into it it'd be fuckin QUALITY

[round frigate]

awesome, gonna do some previous maps then trying to get the S

[dense sand]

Just got some update for Ready or Not, no mads installed, anyone know if it's some patch or any of that?

[round frigate]

hotfix #2

[slim fern]

Sort of reminds me as well how there's a Document at port pre -1.0 that details how officers witnessed an alien abduction lol

[tough spire]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/3872596847173023719

[dense sand]

Where can I read the notes on it?

[dense sand]

well i'll be damned thank you

[tough spire]

[sour furnace]

George M saves the day again

GO George M. GO

[fickle glacier]

I love how discussing this game has turned into an episode of The X-Files.

[tough spire]

Better than the real lore

[stone bay]

Bro I tried installing the update and now its saying installing and >1 Year 💀

[fickle glacier]

We ain't even mentioned the whole thing with the tree on Carriers of the Vine.

[dry wigeon]

1GB update? whats been fixed?

[slim fern]

the offput subtitles and some minor bug fixes

[waxen flower]

its just the localization taking up space 💀

[dry wigeon]

so not the AI? jesus christ

[waxen flower]

yup

at least they fixed 1 thing that was annoying with swat A.I report loop

[marsh lark]

Meanwhile there is me who gives no fucks about the AI as it is on the same or even worse skill level than me.

[amber dock]

They just got back from vacation. Fine-tuning the AI takes time

[slim fern]

are you him?

[zenith granite]

Anyone else not able to report the container full of women on Port Hokan?

[marsh lark]

Not sure, but neither me or my buddies have problem with the AI until it comes to seeing me through a shit poor visibility window.

[zenith granite]

It’s glitched for me it doesn’t give me the soft objective points

[slim fern]

could be a visual glitch? complete the level and find out?

[tough spire]

I want them to just redo the entire lore of that map. It's so out of place and dumb.

[slim fern]

I kind of agree, with how it ties in with the Left Behind story. ||You have political infighting at first but it ends with an incursion with a Cult started by a deranged ex-USIA operative, much like Gerard. How do they tie in?||

don't get me wrong the cult aspect is cool as hell but it should be done for a different branch of the lore

[tough spire]

It reads as involuntarily celibate 4chan posting to me.

[slim fern]

You mean just typical conspiracy theorists type beat?

[tough spire]

"Okay. So there is this cult compound. Hear me out: armed to the teeth, right? But wait. It's better. 'Cos they're all women. Why are they all women? Because they hate men. They're all abuse survivors turned militant feminists. But like, also they worship the occult because women be crazy."

Then a loose tie-in was made to the macro plot.

[slim fern]

Pre 1.0 Cherryessa was hell but the lore there was making us scratch our head. This one... I'm conflicted.

[tough spire]

The writing in RoN is really bad. It just is what it is.

It's fine. Game like this doesn't need to have good writing to make for fun gameplay.

[slim fern]

Personally I like the narrative, with some tuning but that's merely preference.

[tough spire]

I think what they made has potential for a compelling narrative, but right now it mostly reads like edgy fan fiction from someone who's never taken a writing class.

[glass dune]

btw the translation in my language is all wrong, omg

[slim fern]

It reads corny Neo-Noir fiction and I've loved it.

[glass dune]

i'm sorry to say this but even for localization they didn't make a good job D:

[tough spire]

I think if they wanted it to be corny neo noir they needed to make that more clear. I'd actually be down for that.

[faint cradle]

It looks like they just threw all of the voicelines into an AI tbh

[slim fern]

I mean before Zack Bower the soundtrack sounded a lot more atoned for that genre

correction, it sounded a lot more like Classic noir

[tough spire]

oh admittedly I play with music off

[slim fern]

I get why, I essentially get nerfed when I stop to listen to it, It's so good

Personal fave is Greased palms / Rust belt with the Los Locos Leitmotif

[tough spire]

I use stealth a ton in this game and your ears are SO critical for S runs.

[slim fern]

True! but personally the music doesn't really get in the way, I like it when it plays after I've cleared the level

[tough spire]

I'll have to go play a little with it on again just for you

[slim fern]

again, purely preference. I hope you enjoy

[inland linden]

How big is the update!?? I have 23gb free and it says not enough free disk space

[tough spire]

I mean I also sometimes just watch Netflix while I grind out strategy ideas sooooo

[gritty sedge]

Hi, can anyone let me know how the supporter edition works now? I bought the game on steam as well as the supporter edition a year or so ago and now that its been removed I cant find any trace of the cosmetics and such that was included.

[split citrus]

Whatever they claimed to have fixed with the A.I seems to have introduced new bugs. Now the team doesn't understand what "stack up" means at Certain doors. They just stand there.

Gotta give orders twice now. Great hot fix. Very optimistic for the future.

[slim fern]

AI wasn't tweaked with this hotfix

[split citrus]

Broke it

[tough spire]

I'm at Mindjot on my Ironman no shield/wedge/mirror run so it'll puctuate my terror.

[slim fern]

still the same issues as before. It's nothing new

[inland linden]

This update was pure localization, as a Game developer that's... Not how that works. Localization wouldn't effect it, that's the same bug that's been around since released

[slim fern]

he didn't read and just assumed

[tough spire]

lol this lo fi techno on Mindjot is great

[bitter mason]

wtf is with ppl dying after being arrested but not bleeding

a civie got shot up a bit im not sure by what, arrested him then he just drops dead but he wasnt bleeding

[amber dock]

there was fake death, now there's fake alive...

[slim fern]

then he's incapped. I've had this happen on an S run and it didn't affect the score

[quartz topaz]

the update is just 1.6 gb

[bitter mason]

real

[crude prism]

he got scared okay

[lone osprey]

Guys, what came in this game update?

[bitter mason]

I swear I've had it with ppl who havent even been shot

[crude prism]

Would need to see clip, never seen it, but sounds hilarious

[bitter mason]

very little, death animations are back tho so yippee
mostly localization

[crude prism]

"oh sorry m8 they had a heart attack, no S rank for you"

[bitter mason]

I feel they might be bleeding but the effects arent playing properly?
I feel it could maybe be nice to save someone from bleeding if you arrest them, a sorta pseudo medical attention

[gritty sedge]

I'm wondering if people who originally bought the supporter edition still recieve the cosmetics included?

[bitter mason]

yes they should do

[crude prism]

The supporter cosmetics got a facelift with 1.0, but yeah, still there

[gritty sedge]

okay I'll email them, my steam version of the supporter edition doesnt exist at all anymore but can still opt in to the betas

[lone osprey]

I thought there was going to be a lot

[bitter mason]

you can see the patch notes on steam

its like 4 bullet points

[crude prism]

Side character that got shot in the side and kept it secret until it was appropriately dramatic and fatal.

[tough spire]

This dude is ragdoll glitching his way slowly up the wall #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

[sharp stratus]

Uh, anyone else tried updating ready or not and it's just remaining at 0%

[bitter mason]

real

[lone osprey]

yes I know

[stone bay]

What mission is after Valley of the dolls?

[wispy mural]

Restart your steam

[sleek spire]

mine updated fine; haven't booted it up to test the game yet

[ruby talon]

i do miss fast food and would like that to come back fully done up though

agreed

[grizzled scroll]

I'm gutted.

Stinger or flash? Any preferences?

[slim fern]

Stingers baby

[tough spire]

Stinger if you know you can hit 'em with it. Flash if you can't.

[dreamy garden]

New hotfix out finally?

my game just updated on steam

[slim fern]

Tf2 localization moment

[dreamy garden]

version 40852

4 bug fixes 2 of which seem rare/useless

worth 1.6gb

[amber dock]

the death anims seem to be fixed

that could be a chunk

[faint cradle]

TBH I kind of hope they don't nerf the enemy ai too much. Like being headshot through walls with 95% accuracy is pretty bad but the rest of it is fine I think

[bright valley]

There's still some times when I think their response times just aren't being all that fair.

[split citrus]

I still have to shoot a suspect four times in the leg to get them to react.

[tough spire]

Saaaaame

[amber dock]

Adrenaline is one hell of a drug

[tough spire]

The way Ground Branch does aiming is really neat right now. There's sort of a narrowing random area that zeros in over time.

[bright valley]

It's when I've seen groups of human or AI SWAT get mowed down by a lone suspect that I really felt like something's off balance.

[tough spire]

I mean. It's not implausible.

It's very rare for that kind of thing to happen if you're playing smart.

[bright valley]

Yeah yeah, we all know about your S ranks and solo clears. :P

[tough spire]

I don't do solo clears

[dreamy garden]

Solo greased palms S rank honestly isn't too hard

AI ruins it by overextending and ignoring the people shooting them

[bright valley]

🤔

[slim fern]

what did you do to get that Solo S?

[tough spire]

Oh that map, yes. In general, no

[winged jolt]

chemlight out

[tough spire]

Because fuck Mindjot. LOL

[grizzled scroll]

The reaction time for them is literally 0.1 seconds. The AI are literally Jonh Wick agent 47 clones

[dreamy garden]

gas

and stealth

5 beanbags 10 gas 1 gas launcher

[slim fern]

too fat to stealth

[tough spire]

Sneak up on 'em. They have a panic response that buys you literally seconds of freedom

[dreamy garden]

They spot you from the second floor through stairs and boxes so yeah

[tough spire]

Jesus I need to do this

[grizzled scroll]

The route is SUPER important. Minimise peeking around boxes-the AI can aimbot you through boxes and you wont even see them. So understand how broken the AI is

[dreamy garden]

The small loading dock thing at the start fucking sucks but the rest is a very easy clear

[grizzled scroll]

That wasn't my point, the point was that when alerted they react at least twice as fast as any human. So they really should have patched that. My approach is just to flash and gas everything which is frankly unrealistic and kind of boring.

[tough spire]

My point is if you don't try to challenge a defending enemy head on in a fair fight with just your reflexes every time it's not that bad 😉

[winged jolt]

hrrrgh, TOC, I'm trying to sneak around, but I'm dummy thicc and the clap of my asscheeks keeps alerting the suspects.

[faint cradle]

Agreed, my go-to has just been to main the stinger launcher and blast rooms with it. Playing as the demoman from tf2 not a swat officer

[grizzled scroll]

...well no shit. Wink face doesn't change the point which is their reflexes are still literally inhuman. No one ever said there wasn't a counter to it. 😉

[tough spire]

Then play smarter?

[round frigate]

is my message to long or what

[tough spire]

I do think the enemy AI accuracy needs to be nerfed it's just not that big of a deal.

[bright valley]

Maybe it has a word in it somewhere that's getting it auto-moderated?

[faint cradle]

Enemy AI accuracy is fine. Enemy AI accuracy from 100 yards through walls and concealment needs to be nerfed

[bright valley]

Couldn't tell ya, can't see the message 😓

[round frigate]

mhm "terrorist" wasnt the word

[tough spire]

I cannot believe how long I slept on this thing. Stinger launcher rules I just started abusing it a couple of days ago.

[round frigate]

With the exception of the wild wallhack accuracy, AI seems just stupid to me. If you catch a suspect from behind and scream at him, he doesn't seem to care, he just says "Nah, I'm not giving up", and continues walking straight, ignoring the fact that a SWAT guy is aiming at him from behind. He only reacts after some time when he finally randomly decides to turn around. The same goes for civilians. How stupid would they have to be to have five SWATs aiming and screaming at them, and yet they just run off to another room full of suspects? Also, I don't understand why they don't get on the floor when they are in the room with suspects, they just don't care.

[bright valley]

ayyy there it is

[round frigate]

👏

[grizzled scroll]

Me: "The AI is scientifically reacting faster than human". You; "play around it". Me; "you can, but also why not make it more realistic". You; "play smart". Me; "You don't read do you. It isn't an issue with not having a way to counter it, it is still a flaw". You: "likely completely miss the point". Blocked lol some guys just are slow. And I'm halfway through S ranking all missions on solo, got them all up to valley of the dolls, so I'm pretty sure I know how to counter the AI reaction 😄

[tough spire]

I haven't found many true wallhack areas yet. Usually there's a keyhole they're seeing you from

[faint cradle]

I feel like the civilians being stupid is kind of appropriate though

[tough spire]

That is not at all what I'm saying, you need to calm down.

[crude prism]

The AI doesn't need LOS to shoot at you, they can shoot off of things like sound of walking/gunshots as well

[tough spire]

That, too.

Shift-walking everywhere changes so much about how they react to you.

[grizzled scroll]

It really is. Get smarter 😉 Anyway enough with the guy who doesn't know the game codes for a 0.1 second reaction time, when even trained humans are capped at double that 😄

[round frigate]

I like things like them taking the phone to make some photos, but being at gunpoint of 5 SWAT members and deciding to run off while they scream at u to stay down is just wild. And for the part where they just stand still in room full of suspects is just weird

[dreamy garden]

If their bullets don't hit you
Their stray ones sure as hell will one tap your full heavy armor teamate through a solid concrete wall

[round frigate]

doesnt feel realistic to me but maybe people are that stupid idk

[faint cradle]

Yeah I agree

[grizzled scroll]

I do find it amazing the number of suspects who don't surrender when they are about to be blown away. A minor issue from a score perspective as I just beanbag everyone really, but I do agree its very, very strange.

[bright valley]

Honestly I'm just not convinced that so many people would actually go for wallbangs in the first place. Like I understand professionals are trained on the difference between cover and mere concealment, but if so many people make the mistake of thinking they're protected by concealment, I would think a similar amount of people would make the mistake of assuming someone else is protected by concealment and not "waste" ammo firing at them.

[tough spire]

https://learningcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/reading-comprehension-tips/

[grizzled scroll]

Let me know when you read it!

[tough spire]

It would make more sense for druggies to wall bang. Probably not the security guys.

[solar sigil]

Nobody else take one shot thought a wall with a full armor ???

[bright valley]

I'd expect a lot of inaccurate spray-and-pray, blind fire, and run-and-gun with druggies.

[faint cradle]

Yeah being wallbanged by trained security is like "woah they know how to do that" otherwise it's total BS

[grizzled scroll]

I would like the SWAT guys to be more aware of what penetration they had. Namely they try and return fire and wallbang with a pepperball gun. I know S ranks are a small group of people, but its hilarious watching them try and return fire with a pepperball gun through cover

[bright valley]

Yeah, I did a big writeup in the feedback forum about the AT SWAT's handling of LTL weapons and this was one of the points I made.

[tough spire]

This. Trained people tend to care more about overpenetration problems.

[bright valley]

So basically there's not a lot of overlap between people you'd expect to be accurate and people you'd expect to wallbang.

[grizzled scroll]

Swapping to the pistol when empty is my personal favourite though. Nothing beats that 😄 Number of times I have just taken my pistol out and killed my AI out of frustration is pretty high.

[bright valley]

Like, maybe trained terrorists who couldn't give a fuck about collateral.

[tough spire]

The guy with the SAW would absolutely be lighting up your wall/door they suspected you on the other side of.

You don't bring an LMG into CQC if you care about collateral.

[crude prism]

Honestly the easiest fix to the suspect wallbang issue that wouldn't require a huge rework of behavior, would just be to add an accuracy debuff when attacking without LOS.

Even if they're still technically tracking you, it could be enough that you're not getting winged by EVERY hit

[tough spire]

YES

[silk sail]

lost my job today

time for RON

[tough spire]

So many of the problems would be fixed with contextual accuracy.

[bright valley]

Yeah, honestly there's a important function served by having suspects who will miss in their attempts to shoot you sometimes.

[tough spire]

They miss now

[frail quartz]

Realsitically shouldn't it just be a wide general area around the sound you made that they shoot at

[bright valley]

... it's like you're trying to disagree with me

[frail quartz]

They don't know exactly where you are, they just know you're somewhere in that direction

[tough spire]

It's really funny to watch them continually pelt a corner you were holding long after you've crept off of it.

Just a ridiculous tight grouping on that one spot they knew you were at.

[crude prism]

That's a separate behavior. That's appropriate

[bright valley]

Anyways. To elaborate what I'm on about. Getting accurately sprayed through a wall is frustrating and I think most people can agree on that, but if you saw a volley of bullets come through the wall right next to you, barely missing? Tense as shit without punishing the hell out of the player.

[tough spire]

If they were doing actual suppressing fire for tactical advantage, yeah. I don't think they're that smart because they don't do anything with it. Seems more like a happy accident in the coding.

[crude prism]

Suppressing fire IS a programmed behavior. Whether the AI is using it properly all the time, or just firing at nothing for too long? I imagine that's a bit of a nightmare to program

[tough spire]

Dang. Yeah okay. It didn't seem like intentional design, just seemed like AI brain broken.

[grizzled scroll]

Supressing fire is coded... 😄

[tough spire]

"Let's waste bullets for no reason" is largely all they're doing now.

[bright valley]

[distant M249 fire in some remote part of brisa cove]

[crude prism]

I don't think suppressing fire actually consumes ammo. Considering that they are only alloted 3-5 mags post 1.0

You can just stand in front of people with a shield, and they'll run out of bullets and just stare at you like that one meme lmao

[tough spire]

I assumed they have infinite ammo

[crude prism]

They've had limited ammo for a while now, but pre-1.0 it was like 10 mags of primary + 10 mags of secondary

[tough spire]

Good lord

It's never felt like a good idea to play lead attrition with them.

[crude prism]

Also 1.0 BROKE the behavior where when out of primary ammunition, they would throw down the weapon and draw sidearms. Now they do nothing and stare at you with an unloaded gun

[frail quartz]

Wait, the ai DOES have limited ammo? I thought they had infinite but just needed to reload

[crude prism]

No they totally run out, it's easy to test with a shield

[tough spire]

Having a druggie pull a sidearm, unload it and have nothing to reload with and then surrender would make for good gameplay options.

[crude prism]

That's how it used to be

[frail quartz]

But yeah, damn these guys are only wearing hoodies and they have more gear slots than us!!! 😡

[tough spire]

It's those big pockets

[bright valley]

I've had Michael Williams fire off like half a dozen handgun rounds before anxiously tossing the gun away. Felt very in-character.

[crude prism]

And then you throw him off the balcony right?

[bright valley]

bahaha

[tough spire]

Is there still no damage from throwing?

[bright valley]

Honestly, it's just a shame that some of the more interesting suspect behaviors seem to be so rare. Like I've put way too many hours into the game and the sweeping majority of the time everyone just feels so samey. I was hoping you'd feel the difference in them between missions/factions more.

[tough spire]

Hopefully in time

[umbral oar]

i was able to toss his mom off (she lived)

[bright valley]

Though, I will say that I'm really pleased 1.0 had the work put in to uniquely model and voice more of the suspects and civvies. That goes a long way.

[tough spire]

Whoa what. I just had someone unlock a locked door on me. I thought they didn't do that

[bright valley]

Was there like an audible component to it or anything at least?

[tough spire]

Nope they just slammed it open in my face and scared the crap out of me.

[bright valley]

Or did they seemingly just bust ass through a locked door without any delay- yeah wow

[crude prism]

I bet thats the new ambush on doors behavior

Didn't know it could unlock though, that's way scarier

[tough spire]

I was holding the hall just behind the office in Greased Palms and was like "great this one's locked I don't need to cover it" #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message and they blasted through it. Now I'm covering it while we sit here 🙃

[mossy hatch]

Anyone else notice that 2 of the crye combat tops seem to be listed backwards? Modified G3 is ackshully a G2 (Navy custom) and the Sly G2 is a G3. I'd post a picture but I can't...

[spice verge]

update?

1gb

[obtuse schooner]

Does the number of years an officer has matter?

[slim fern]

anything but their traits are purely cosmetic for now

[obtuse schooner]

Ok

[tough spire]

Traits may also be cosmetic 😛

[slim fern]

no, they definitely make the officers invincible if you have a certain combination

[tough spire]

Oh really. Armorer/Nutrionist?

[slim fern]

4 moral officers to be exact /s

[tough spire]

Wait do traits stack!?

[slim fern]

THEY DO

[tough spire]

AAAAAAAAAAAH god damn it. Okay. I need to stop running my officers blank.

[slim fern]

Not sure for the health or armor ones but the ones that affect morale definitely do

[tough spire]

Have you tried stacking the effective complience shouts or surrenders on breach?

[slim fern]

On S runs, I usually have Intimidator, Pacifier, Breacher, then an Armorer with full ceramic heavy armor and I'm solid. Anything that gets hit with a beanbag will comply immediately. Also thanks to the person that suggested that to me

[tough spire]

Jesus I've been doing this hard mode

[civic zinc]

in my experience they have a 50/50 shot of just surrendering after running out of primary ammo without any input from me

usually accompanied by a funny voice line

[slim fern]

What would they be saying?

[slender adder]

chemlight out

[civic zinc]

ive had a suspect magdump me with an m4 then throw it on the ground dramatically saying "that's all ive got"

i just think its funny the way they flip between hyper agressive and embarrassing surrender

[tough spire]

YEAH baby. Cleared Greased Palms on my no-wand/wedge/shield/gas ironman run. 💪

[civic zinc]

nice

[slim fern]

with the soundtrack?

[tough spire]

lol no I turned it off for this. I'll turn it back on while I go around securing

[civic zinc]

im not good enough at the game to play normally all that well, let alone challenges

[tough spire]

To be honest the way I game I do challenges early on because it forces me to learn.

[slim fern]

I like that, Its like the moment you see the Bring order to chaos task complete, you instantly stop clenching your cheeks

[tough spire]

Like I'm learning a lot in this playthrough that's gonna help me with other tactics later.

[civic zinc]

i like giving an ai teammate a shield and using a flash launcher or breach shotgun

ive found the game more engaging without the optiwand because you have to be more careful with how you aproach doors

[tough spire]

Yeah not having a mirror wand on this run at all even for the trap maps has been wild.

[civic zinc]

i still tend to abide the rule of "when in doubt, flash"

[tough spire]

That's a good rule

[bright valley]

Honestly, I peek for traps even if I have the mirrorgun. No sense taking chances on something that can kill you.

[tough spire]

Smart

[civic zinc]

i use breach shotgun for maps with traps, and flash launcher for the rest

i only use optiwand when im struggling with any given mission

[tough spire]

When I'm going stealthy I like the wand for me, but not on my team

[undone lily]

I've been finding that playing with the AI Overhaul mod and without using the Optiwand makes for a much more enjoyable experience, honestly

On one hand you're less certain about what's behind every door
but on the other hand whatever it is won't put a bullet in your eye socket in 0.5 of a femtosecond

[civic zinc]

i swap between modded and unmodded a lot

i have the ai overhaul with mods

[undone lily]

AI Overhaul is currently the only mod I'm running and I kinda plan to keep it that way unless I have a really good reason not to

At the moment the meme death sounds is very tempting though lol

[civic zinc]

i like the swat 4 map mods lol

the other mod i have that isnt just a map or the g36 carry handle is the one that lets you use the unused/suspect guns like the m14, m249 and for some reason a bolt action sniper ive never seen before

[tough spire]

Is it the rifle from Brisa?

[bitter wyvern]

is there a way i can replace people selectively on my team

like i wanna swap one out

[civic zinc]

now that i think about it, probably

[tough spire]

Black bolt action, generic AF?

[civic zinc]

but im surprised its even available since as far as im aware that mod only adds guns that are in the files, just unavailable to players

[frail quartz]

Can suspects see you use the optiwand or something?

[civic zinc]

yeah

[tough spire]

Nope, it's great.

[frail quartz]

I don't understand what they mean by that "but on the other hand whatever it is won't put a bullet in your eye socket in 0.5 of a femtosecond" part

[civic zinc]

cracked ai after 1.0 xd

[frail quartz]

It's a M24 SWS, generic police sniper

[civic zinc]

i dont mind them too much, and with careful play they can be overcome, but they are undoubtedly cracked out of their minds

[tough spire]

Yup that's the Brisa one

[undone lily]

No, it's just more engaging to go without it once you've cleared the game with it

[frail quartz]

For me it's just so I know what rooms I need to use flashbangs on and which ones I don't

[tough spire]

Tbh your ears make for a great optiwand alternative is what I've been really learning this playthrough

[undone lily]

I've been enjoying using a loadout I simply dubbed "Testosterone" which primarily revolves around using a shotgun (or sometimes SA58 if I'm in the mood), revolver, and breaching shotgun, with a few flash and CS grenades

[civic zinc]

oh yeah the audio cues in this game are really helpful

[bright valley]

no C2?

[civic zinc]

there have been several times where ive changed how i approach a room because of a suspect voiceline

[civic zinc]

love the FAL, really want to use a full length one for funnies

[frail quartz]

Full length + silencer

melee now has you swing it like a baseball bat

[civic zinc]

if not a full length fal, at least let me steal the m14 in the display case

[undone lily]

Oh yeah, one C2 (which takes two charges, which is neat)

[bright valley]

I dread whenever I hear the distinctive gunshot signature of the unsuppressed SA58 and nobody on my team is carrying one.

[civic zinc]

g3 makes the same sound btw

idk if its just the sniper or not mod, but the g3 had 30 round magazines despite still being in 7.62

[stone bay]

there are 30 rounds mag for 7.62 g3

[civic zinc]

i know but the magazine model looked to be only 20 rounds

[stone bay]

I think thats just modding limitation s

the 30 rounds look really really similar to the 20 depending on which you get so the immersion isnt that disrupted

[sharp stratus]

So after my game finished updating it reset down to 0%, I already reset my steam

[stone bay]

mine also reset to 0% and changed from updating to patching

[civic zinc]

i just think the idea of the hospital enemies ripping 30 rounds of .308 through a wall and doming your entire squad without needing to reload is hilarious

[tough spire]

wow Valley of the Dolls felt so easy after Greased Palms....

[civic zinc]

the mission progression is kinda cursed

[sharp stratus]

It went from updating to installing for me

[stone bay]

yea mine did that last patch its dumb

[pastel adder]

I have a load out called “fuck it. We ball” which is breaching shotgun, stinger grenades, a M1014 loaded with buckshot, and a 5.7

[stone bay]

are hospital enemies even that good? I shredded the whole mission in 15 minutes

[civic zinc]

theres a line in the briefing for sins of the father that implies it takes place the night after brisa cove, but theres like 5 or 6 missions inbetween the 2 during the campaign

[sharp stratus]

how did u fixi t

[stone bay]

restarted steam from task manager

[civic zinc]

they have good guns and the hospital's hallways make flanking easy for them

[stone bay]

thought that mission was more annoying than hard, hated walking around looking for bombs and civis

[tough spire]

once I realized there was a 30 minute timer and I was full clearing the map in around 20 minutes I stopped trying to rush the bombs and it became so much easier

[civic zinc]

ive played since july without the supporter edition and the hospital used to have like 2-3 times the amount of enemies per floor xd

[stone bay]

yea I miss how many enemies there used to be

new update is too easy, I did iron man with only side arm and I want more enemies

[civic zinc]

i dont mind the change, with less enemies around it lets the tension build

[sharp stratus]

Should I get rid of the mods in my mods folder bc I already restarted it via task manager

[stone bay]

probably

dont delete them, just take them out and see if that fixies it

[civic zinc]

im a sucker for good atmosphere and i suck at defeating the current enemy ai, but even i never struggle with the bomb timer

[stone bay]

the bomb timers are wayyyy too long

[civic zinc]

the 2 missions with bombs have very forgiving timers

[bright valley]

I wouldn't call Elephant's 11 minutes "forgiving" but it's definitely long enough for the task at hand.

[civic zinc]

elephant gives you like 20 minutes tf?

[bright valley]

Pretty sure it's 11 for Elephant and 30 for Relapse.

I'll go check though.

[stone bay]

elephant was like 20 minutes

maybe 30, i just remember it was super long

[civic zinc]

kinda wish i had been able to play the raid variation of wenderly hills hotel, or even one of the versions with all the floors

[rustic robin]

prolly cuz its an cancerous map to clear

[stone bay]

I thought it was extremely easy

[rustic robin]

it is

but getting shot in the bac or trying to find the last civi for 20 mins is not fun

[stone bay]

took me 7 minutes to get all suspects, all defuses, and then had my team use search and secure to get the civis

[rustic robin]

i did it first try but it was 30 mins cuz the last civi was playing hide and see

[stone bay]

I never search for civis myself, just use search and secure so I don't have to ever do it

[rustic robin]

my AI were bugging

for some reason they stayed put when i said search and secure

[stone bay]

you gotta command it out of the room you're in otherwise they wanna search and secure a room they already cleared

its dumb

[hazy topaz]

took me a week to beat ides of march but today was the day

[rustic robin]

just stay patient for that map

[hazy topaz]

i just got it

a rank lethal not too bad

[rustic robin]

nice

i got b because i was getting mad

and not trynna arrest

[hazy topaz]

yea the ai was being super aggressive too

[rustic robin]

but i got S later with my friends so its aight

[hazy topaz]

les gooo

[rustic robin]

facts bro

they are borderline suicidal

[stone bay]

dude I will use the yell command, the ai will reply with 'fuck you' and then turn corner full run and gun

[rustic robin]

Facts LOL

[hazy topaz]

yep

[rustic robin]

"Put the gun down!" "Fuck you" wall bangs your whole squad with an m249 and 100% accuracy"

[stone bay]

I had an AI a few weeks back fake surrender 3 times with a gun

[white goblet]

DO THINE EYES DECEIVE ME
HAST THEE DEVS FINALLY COMMUNICATED WITH US

[rustic robin]

no

[hazy topaz]

dude i fucking shot a guy like 5 times in the legs and after being stunned for a second he just went back to accurately shooting me

[white goblet]

hotfix patch notes

[stone bay]

"Hands show me your hands"
"Fuck you!!!"
Turns corner with a rifle and aimbots my whole team with 3 bullets

[bright valley]

we got a little communication as a treat

[rustic robin]

they didnt fix the AI issues

[white goblet]

No bro

[rustic robin]

the AI are still retired navy Seals for some reason

[white goblet]

oh yeah well how come they haven't released a book and a podcast and an MLM scam

[stone bay]

the AI are just terminators, they heat vision my team through the wall and running fire and headshot them through face mask and then run around the corner back into a 3 stack

[rustic robin]

Navy seals try not to write a book and go on 15 podcasts and leak classified info challenge:

[stone bay]

that just goes for all military personnel \

[white goblet]

NAVY Seals try not to backstab the people they served in combat with challenge: Ultra Nightmare Difficulty

[stone bay]

there were engineers that leaked classified blue prints because war thunder wasnt accurate enough to the real tank

[hazy topaz]

do mindjot suspects wear armor?

[rustic robin]

yes, vests

[hazy topaz]

so ap?

[rustic robin]

yes

[hazy topaz]

tenks

[stone bay]

ap on rifle always

[white goblet]

Yes and a mask that protects against the deadliest virus in the world

[hazy topaz]

figured

[stone bay]

jhp on pistol if you want but ap is always better

[white goblet]

2 mags AP / 2 mags HP
can't go wrong

[stone bay]

that is awful advice

[rustic robin]

"For some reason my game keeps on crashing, I have an RTX 9080 Super with an gen i34 processor and water cooling, Anyone got a fix? If not ill go back to playing fortnite"

[hazy topaz]

is there any reason to run an ir laser?

[white goblet]

No

[stone bay]

nope, suspects dont react to lasers

[rustic robin]

nvg missions, Aka port

[rustic robin]

cuz they cant see the ir laser

[stone bay]

how? You should never be switching mags that often

[white goblet]

Rust Belt NVG's

[full shore]

People actually out here changing their ammo in the middle of a fight after they determine if a suspect has armor or not?

[stone bay]

they arent programed to react to regular lasers or flashlights

[white goblet]

you're assuming too much

[rustic robin]

for me flashlights were bvetter for that map

[stone bay]

thats awful advice, ap or jhp only

[white goblet]

false, they spot your flashlights all the time

[rustic robin]

they can react to the flashlight

[white goblet]

No

[stone bay]

only to flashlight and not if they are sideways or back turned

[white goblet]

False

[stone bay]

no its not?

did you just get this game or are you just stupid

[white goblet]

Yes

[slim fern]

wait what program did they use to create the heads? or is it all bought off a asset store?

or is it the character artist?

[amber dock]

I'd imagine a modelling software (most likely blender) and substance painter

[prime mural]

Spot yes, react, no. They'll voice line but they aren't aggroing until they see u

[slim fern]

substance painter, my beloved

[stone bay]

this ^^^^

[amber dock]

They don't use asset packs for characters or metahumans

[slim fern]

some do look like they were model scanned though

[prime mural]

So really, flashlight is an early warning system that lets u hear ai voice lines before u even pass the corner

[slim fern]

but that's pre 1.0

[prime mural]

U can test urself, sneak up to a suspect and spam the light on and off. They won't aggressively react until they see u

[white goblet]

I go in with 4mags AP, 2mags HP for my AR, and 3 mags HP for pistol. By the time I've reached the end of the level, I usually still have at least 1 AP mag left, and I rarely touch the HP AR mag. Never done me wrong. Never run out of ammo. Try it @stone bay

[rustic robin]

They should make it so suspects have a 50% more chance of surrendering if they have 1 laser/flashlight or more in their face (if its 3 its auto surrender unless they are programmed to be suicidal)

[stone bay]

that is possibly the worst thing I have ever heard, if you barely touch it why even use it

[full shore]

What is the purpose of running two ammo types tho?

[stone bay]

actual brainrot if you think thats a good setup

[white goblet]

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

[stone bay]

no thats just utter pointless

[white goblet]

also HP is more likely to be fatal on suspects/cause them to bleed out

[rustic robin]

just get 3 ap mags and 1jhp if you feel like it

[full shore]

They both punch holes into people. If you're keeping HP just to have it, then why not just have 2 extra AP mags?

[stone bay]

you think swat or spec ops or military carry 2 different kinds of ammo? No they don't because thats STUPID

[white goblet]

It's a game

[bright valley]

I'd rather have more utility than that much extra ammo tbh.

[stone bay]

same logic applies, play it how you want buts thats STUPID

[white goblet]

I will

[bright valley]

Love my utility

[rustic robin]

ok basement swat spec ops swat larper, I get thats realism and stuff but this is a video game

[stone bay]

real

[prime mural]

My question is one of effectiveness. What do u gain by going hp that AP can't do

[white goblet]

Luv me flashes
Luv me stingers
'ate methheads

[stone bay]

not saying you have to play it like that, but theres a reason no game or anyone ever would carry multiple different kinds of ammo

[prime mural]

Only benefit of HP is essentially limb damage

[white goblet]

you can watch them bleed out

[stone bay]

I worded that poorly, but point is multiple kinds of ammo is a dumb idea

[rustic robin]

i agree on that

[prime mural]

Suboptimal idea. Not dumb imo

[white goblet]

Sorry I couldn't cater to your play style

[rustic robin]

id carry 3 ap and 1 hp if i really wanted to get an hp

[stone bay]

it doesn't go thru wall or suspects but through my regular and ironman play through I have never seen it kill by piercing

[rustic robin]

you have your rifle to go through walls

[slender adder]

limb damage, overpenetration

[prime mural]

Oh I know the HP purpose. I essentially only run ap

[frail quartz]

It also reduces the amount of shots you need to down suspects on some calibers (like 5.7 on normal HP suspects, 7.62x51 on gas station suspects)

[stone bay]

didnt say you had to, but suggesting it to me and telling me to try it is stupid

[civic nexus]

Yo

[full shore]

Marksmen might carry different ammo types if they don't have an abundant supply of match ammo.

[frail quartz]

Otherwise yeah, I don't think HP is worth the decreased penetration/more risk for death

[stone bay]

yes but this is a cqb game, youre not on a rooftop where you can comfortably switch ammo or would ever need that but fair point

[white goblet]

AR: 4 AP / 2 HP
Pistol: 3 HP
2 Flashes
2 Wedges

Life is Good 😎

[civic nexus]

which good mod has good mask

[white goblet]

also Breaching Shotgun

[rustic robin]

i would carry an taser to, You dont need HP mags on ar since it already destroys the suspects

[frail quartz]

balaclavas or gas masks?

[white goblet]

Nah I just kill em

[rustic robin]

breaching shotgun is imo the worst since you can always ram and have it insta open

[bright valley]

IMO, probably the best way to intentionally run multiple ammo types is having JHP in your primary to avoid overpenetration and AP in your secondary in case you want it, but really I tend to just go AP on everything because so many suspects are armored enough to justify it.

[stone bay]

this is so facts, I only carry shield or mirror

[prime mural]

No bc shotgun is safer using distance

[civic nexus]

No like a

[white goblet]

Yeah but breaching shotgun looks cool. The ram is pretty awesome though.

[stone bay]

yea but this is a game, logic doesnt apply ap is better at almost everything and more versatile than jhp

[rustic robin]

yeah and you alert the suspects where you are and dont even get the door open

now all the suspects are holding your door

[stone bay]

but shotgun has limited ammo and ram doesnt need ammo...

[white goblet]

THERE IT IS
over penetration

[prime mural]

Which is a good thing imo I'd rather control the opening of the door to my own pace

[rustic robin]

bad arguement, You arent running out of breaching shotgun ammo im pretty sure

[civic nexus]

the one in the join are discord

[bright valley]

You've got to read the whole message, I said I usually run AP on pretty much everything lol

[white goblet]

OMGEEZERS PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PLAYSTYLES
It's almost like there's different roles for each squad member

[stone bay]

if you actually played the game you wouldnt ever over penetrate but if its fun for you im glad

[frail quartz]

I think I've killed a civilian with overpenetration exactly once throughout my 200 hours, I still don't think that's worth having ceramic block your rifle rounds

[prime mural]

I have triple digit hours in the game and I've never had an over penetration incident

[stone bay]

I ran out on the hotel level

[white goblet]

Good

[stone bay]

both of the hotel levels

[slender adder]

JHP rifle rounds (excluding the 5.56) are good for 90% of the maps

[stone bay]

this is so facts

[white goblet]

I have had over penetration so there you go. We have different experiences

There is no point trying to tell me what I'm doing is wrong if it works

[stone bay]

yea but you also mentioned not carrying a taser because you just shoot all suspects so its obvious you're new, glad youre having fun with the different ammo types

[full shore]

Fun fact, JHP and AP in game both over penetrate the same

[rustic robin]

eh if you wanna clear better imo ram is better, insta door open and quick follow up to catch them off guard, Breaching shotgun takes longer to use and is way louder

[civic nexus]

when he shoots

[white goblet]

You are assuming

[stone bay]

you literally said that earlier but alrighty

[slender adder]

they have different penetration values though?

[white goblet]

You are assuming I'm new

[stone bay]

lol didn't know that, thought they changed since 1.0

[white goblet]

because I don't play the way you play

[stone bay]

yes, because I can tell you're new

[bright valley]

I've been killed by overpen from a player once and accidentally overpen'd a civvie myself once. Former incident was on 213 Park Homes when we had split the team to clear a couple of small rooms, and the latter was Brisa Cove, shooting at a suspect down the hallway only for some stray bullets to pass through the wall behind him into someone who was hiding in the bathroom.

[white goblet]

You're wrong

[stone bay]

ok sure

[white goblet]

Yes

[full shore]

I might be wrong about 1.0. but this is true for adam

[rustic robin]

i remember one time on the spider me and my friends were clearing and i heard footsteps on another side of the door, Lit the door up and killed 3 civis but no suspects

[stone bay]

lol so thats why ive never over penetrate

[white goblet]

Amazing how easy it is to piss off the tactical shooters of the gaming world

[slender adder]

arguing whether over penetration is real or not is funny when it's a legitimate concern

[stone bay]

im not pissed off or mad lol

[white goblet]

Go write a book Vex

[stone bay]

uhhh ok

[white goblet]

Since you're clearly a former SEAL operator

Also you're psychic

[stone bay]

never said that but okay buddy enjoy ur delusion

[white goblet]

You just know I'm new because trust me bro

[spice gyro]

i always thought jhp just expanded upon armor lol

[stone bay]

like sls said im pretty sure they still have same penetration values

[rustic robin]

you act like it tbf, You have a really bad loadout and bad takes

[slender adder]

they don't, according to the spreadsheet

[stone bay]

carries multiple ammo types, refuses to believe jhp is worse, refuses non lethals, runs 8 magazines instead of tacticals

[stone bay]

which spreadsheet? I wanna see that

[white goblet]

i'm not telling anyone to do my loadout, i just told you what works for me. sorry you don't like it

[slender adder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=10760490

[white goblet]

9 magazines total

[stone bay]

did you just tell people earlier to try and use ur loadout

[rustic robin]

im just saying your loadout choice is odd and not optimal

[spice gyro]

i always used AP rounds for armored suspects

[white goblet]

okay

[native rune]

JHP does more damage to limbs than AP

[white goblet]

sure yeah try it out.

[slender adder]

refuses to believe jhp is worse
you are wrong so you can stop talking now

[white goblet]

JHP is literally more lethal

[native rune]

If you shoot just arms and legs with AP it’s gonna take more shots than with JHP

[stone bay]

actually what is ur problem, this is a discussion

[white goblet]

AP goes in and out

[slender adder]

you are trying to put an end to the discussion by just going for the conclusion that the JHP is straight up worse in any possible case, I don't think you are treating it like a discussion

[bright valley]

I'm not trying to dog on you but it is objectively funny for someone to say "you bring 8 magazines which is way too much ammo" and for you to retort "actually, it's 9 magazines".

[stone bay]

didnt see anything about penetration just the damages

[slender adder]

look harder

[stone bay]

literally nothing there

[slender adder]

I'm not going to spoonfeed you harder when it is right there

[white goblet]

AR: 4 mags AP / 2 mags HP
Pistol : 3 mags HP
2 flashes
2 wedges
Breaching Shotgun

😎 Life is Good

[stone bay]

its not, just incap and damage but okay buddy

[bright valley]

moar flashes

[white goblet]

Luv me wedges

can we all agree that wedges are beloved?

[native rune]

I personally think bringing different mag types is a waste of time. You’re never gonna be like “ooh lemme switch to JHP for this next target”

[slender adder]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message
disconnect your internet cable and leave

[white goblet]

WEDGE GANG

[full shore]

4 rifle mags. 1 pistol mag. 8 flashbangs 💅

[white goblet]

WEDGE NATION

[stone bay]

I had dark mode so I didnt the scroll you're being a prick for no reason

[sullen sundial]

13 flashbangs + shield
bash everyone compliant

[white goblet]

no self awareness

[native rune]

Just take the L

[stone bay]

go back and read through our messages and you tell me who tried arguing with me like that first

[white goblet]

WEDGE PLANET

[white goblet]

after you princess

[bright valley]

I think my usual loadout is really close to stock but I ditched a couple of mags for more nades, otherwise I like the 1 slot of taser, 1 slot of C2, and 1 slot of wedges. Has versatility.

[stone bay]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art not even an L its just actually not visible because I use dark reader

[bright valley]

At least, when the taser fucking works in multiplayer.

[white goblet]

@stone bay you wanna hop in a call and talk this out man?

[native rune]

I’m on midnight mode right now and don’t see me complaining

[stone bay]

not complaining just saying I couldnt see the scroll

[white goblet]

Come kiss me on my hot mouth
I'm feeling romantical @stone bay

[stone bay]

no ur obviously very young im not arguing anymore with a child

have a good day man

[white goblet]

wrong again baby doll

whoever you bought your psychic juice from ripped you off @stone bay

[bright valley]

Hot take but the lockpick gun is actually great for a full time shield bearer loadout.

[white goblet]

I like you man

[stone bay]

I carry lp gun for every loadout

[white goblet]

You should name yourself, Cool PileofCat

[native rune]

Lockpick gun is a waste bro what do you meaannn

[prime mural]

There's no wrong way to build. But there is definitely an efficient way to build. Up to u whether u want that is all

[white goblet]

Yes it is up to me

[native rune]

Unless you’re playing those mod maps that have locked doors that take a long time to pick for no reason. But in that case any other breaching method is still available

[white goblet]

You got a good heart @prime mural

@stone bay inshallah we will play together soon habibi

[prime mural]

All I'm saying is I tried jhp on my 57, sprayed literally an entire mag into a soft armor guy, and he didn't go down. Immediately alt f4 and switched to all AP after that

[stone bay]

ok?

[white goblet]

alright cool man love you

[stone bay]

love you too man

[white goblet]

: )

[bright valley]

Specifically with the shield, you can only interact with doors by peeking them while the shield is up, and the lockpick gun synergizes with this really nicely. If you try to peek a door and it's locked, you can look down to pick it which automatically uses the LP gun, click-click it goes, and it automatically returns to the shield when it finishes.

[native rune]

True enough

[stone bay]

yea I usually run shield and sometimes mirror gun and I hate waiting for my team to stack up to breach

[bright valley]

Normally the lockpick gun feels redundant because kicking or other breaching tools are more accessible, but it's like the only breaching tool that plays well with the shield.

(and yeah, I know you can have teammates work doors too, but honestly just try it, it's nice)

[prime mural]

But at the same time, if it's locked don't u have enough time to unequip ur shield, lockpick, then reeauip?

[stone bay]

true but lockpick takes too long

[native rune]

Yes but it’s a boost in pick speed with the pick gun, which is almost for free because some extra slots are already freed up by having no primary ammo if you’re gonna mainly use the shield

[stone bay]

you should be able to unequip a secondary or primary instead of stuck with it

[native rune]

I wish that was a thing

Cus sometimes you’ll swap to your primary after an action even if it’s got no ammo

[stone bay]

yesss plus when I run shield I instinct press 1 to unequip to an empty rifle

[bright valley]

I do miss the primary flash launcher, I used to run a shield build that had it, like 3 slots of wedges, 3 slots of C2, the LP gun, and the rest was pistol mags. Really great support.

[stone bay]

i used to just run grenade launcher with one ammo just for fun

[stone bay]

yeaaa I wish launchers could be primaries again

a gas launcher and shield would be funny

[white goblet]

Y'all ever do pistol only runs? Those are fun.

[stone bay]

yes those are so fun, thats why I wish you could unequip primaries

I just have my team sit in spawn and solo with pistol

put on body cam mod too for police officer sim

[shrewd oriole]

RoN devs posting a fix for the most unknown, useless things ever: (you have to redownload the whole game again for God knows why)

[bold sky]

man i scrolled down did i actually see someone in here who cant figure out the pinned spreadsheet lolol

[white goblet]

Yeah i tried giving my ai teammates no ammo in their primaries but they would run around with an empty primary the whole time and switch to the pistol when engaged, only to switch back to little miss empty AR after the engagement.
"God-Tier Ai" as the youtubers said though amiright?

[stone bay]

LOL so true, I used to just give them non lethal but they kept getting in my way or getting all the enemies before I had a chance

[white goblet]

NO WE ADDED MONGOLIAN LOCALIZATION BE HAPPY

[shrewd oriole]

I'm so happy now!!!!

[prime mural]

Fair enough

[prime mural]

Qol is worth a slot that's fs

[shy tulip]

Blame UE4 for being bad

[white goblet]

I haven't played the game in weeks. Been on vacation. I'll bet someone $10 that no major patch drops before i get back.

[stone bay]

wdym qol

[shrewd oriole]

This ai death animation issue was ruining my experience, not the AI! I love downloading 56 GBs!

[stone bay]

yeaa lol they just got back from holidays and did small bug fixes today

[shrewd oriole]

Yippee!!!

[white goblet]

I still got another month of vacation so that might be a good bet for someone

[white goblet]

easy money

[shrewd oriole]

Did they even fix subtitles? I love my George M

[white goblet]

everybody is using Ai subtitles now. even streaming services like Netflix

[bright valley]

I'm pretty displeased with how many issues 1.0 has but I'm mostly trying to stay patient just 'cause fuck crunch in the video game industry.

[shrewd oriole]

Paying for AI subtitles is crazy.

[bold sky]

why do you care about subtitles most people enable it just to check if they land their nades

[shrewd oriole]

I always have subtitles on because I read stuff

[white goblet]

i was beginning to think this was a one-off game that was made solely to raise awareness about trafficking, sorta like the hype about Sound of Freedom when it came out.

[bold sky]

you can just listen to it yourself we never had sub pre 1.0 even

people are just dump piling them with a bunch of non issue

[shrewd oriole]

They feel better and I like to read them.

It's QoL

[bold sky]

they might fix subtitles just bc its the easier one ngl

[bright valley]

Cutting corners around an accessibility feature just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, honestly.

[white goblet]

the game is littered with horrible Ai art

[bold sky]

and bc its one of the complained about issue they will just check it off as they did something

honestly keep the map be and just revert back to pre 1.0 ngl

[shrewd oriole]

Void try not to use AI challenge (impossible)

[bold sky]

then prolly we wont see people complaning about random shit anymore bc theres nothing to complain about even

[white goblet]

they didn't even bother cleaning it up in photoshop like most Ai "artists" do. they just ripped the photos straight off of the Bing Ai generator and called it a day

[native rune]

Great now we get the game in several more world languages that are definitely not as butchered or half-done as the English subtitles

[stone bay]

oh yes I saw that hospital thing

[shrewd oriole]

I'm sure that void has fine artists, but why use em' AI time!

[minor patio]

big ass update and they couldnt fix the Voll objective glitch?

[white goblet]

Serial killer map when
Bank robbery map when

why does every mission have to be linked to youknowwhat

[minor patio]

?

[lucid elk]

Because taking an entire year without any public access to the dev builds whatsoever and then pushing out an update where you use AI for both art (could've commissioned a damn artist) and subtitles that don't take long to write out leaves heavy distrust in people. 🙃

[bold sky]

theres no way the game hit reg is wonky as fuck, a quarter of the guns have their optics misaligned, no dedicated server and everyone is complaining about subtitles and ai

[bright valley]

Like, subtitles are more of a "nice to have" thing for me personally just 'cause I'm pretty attention deficit and it makes it easier for me to focus on and process stuff that's being said, but some gamers are just full-on hard of hearing and rely on them more than I do.

[bold sky]

holy fuck when i first buy this game and we still have the horrible netcode and a shitty pvp mode we were literally working w sticks and stones

cant even hope to have colorblind mode

now everyone is just piling issues that are almost hilarious

[white goblet]

don't worry i'm still complaining about the terrible ai, just not today

[shrewd oriole]

And that time is over my boy.

[stone bay]

LOL yea I wish they were more swat swat scenarios and not hunting down the p words

[bold sky]

the terrible ai is heavily dependent on opinion

[shrewd oriole]

They removed pvp and have had YEARS to work on the game.

[lucid elk]

Sure, accessibility is a hilarious issue...

[bold sky]

i think suspect ai now is fine bc its a good challenge w some minor bullshit, investing in swat ai is a bad rabbit hole bc whats gonna sustain the game eventually is coop lobby

if they keep investing in swat ai the return is not very great for the effort it takes

setting up dedicated server and encouraging a better learning environment is more important

[shrewd oriole]

Horrible AI, subtitles, they aren't forgivable when the game had an entire year to make 1.0

[white goblet]

ima call you flipflop from now on

[faint cradle]

I assumed the game was abandoned when I bought it so i actually got a nice surprise lol

[bold sky]

the fact that most people in this discord right now probably dont even know of the stat sheet pinned in here and running crap weapons and blaming the ai for being good is insane

[prime mural]

The AI is the lifeblood of the game. Suspects r the entire gameplay

[white goblet]

ain't no way you think the ai is good

[plain kraken]

What’s this bs that I’m reading

[crude prism]

Game not making it clear what type of armor people are wearing is cringe

[white goblet]

heresy, blasphemy, foolishness

[stone bay]

I beat the game several times since 1.0 and they do have good weapons but in no way the AI is good

[prime mural]

But what guns are crap? Literally every gun is functional. Some worse than others but all drop ppl the same

[bold sky]

suspect ai is not that terrible if we revert it back to pre 1.0 ai the game literally gets boring in like a few playthru

[lucid elk]

"Being good" = turning and pulling out weapons at a rate no human ever could?

[shrewd oriole]

So I should be punished for not running the meta? Because I want to try to arrest people and give them a chance? Insane.

[stone bay]

agree, some guns are better than other but all serve a niche and are working

[lucid elk]

You must run a meta loadout. 🙃

[bold sky]

no not all gun drop people the same lol if the suspect is killing you very fast then you have to kill them faster

[prime mural]

Well yes? A nonlethal route is inherently harder

[white goblet]

VOID not gonna sleep with you bro

[bold sky]

theres not a meta loadout yet it seems but you can at least figure out what you prolly dont want to run on some maps

[prime mural]

Even the worst rifle, 416 drops ppl in 2 shots to the chest.

[shrewd oriole]

I dont run non lethal I yell and people and give them a chance.

[white goblet]

mf's tryna get that VOIDussy

[stone bay]

this isn't a cod game, you don't need to kill as fast as possible with the best gun

its a tactical shooter with tactics and niches

[bold sky]

it doesnt always drop in 2 shots to the chest depending on what ammo you running

[bright valley]

Really, I'm hoping the devs can empathize with or at the very least just tough out the frustration in the playerbase and simply cook. They kinda shat the bed with the 1.0 release but the game isn't totally FUBAR'd, it's got fixable problems.

[bold sky]

thats what people like to hink but it isnt

[white goblet]

the current meta is to shoot em in the dick

[bold sky]

its ultimately a shooter game and winning gunfights matter a lot more

[shrewd oriole]

It's a SWAT shooter

[bold sky]

if you get a drop on a suspect cool you should win a gunfight

[lucid elk]

So long as they actually fucking listen to the feedback.

[bold sky]

but walk into each other face situation you need a gun that outdps them basically

[shrewd oriole]

A game where you should be rewarded for giving people a chance and letting them surrender. This doesn't happen. The game rewards you for shooting on sight and punishes anyone who follows the RoE

[stone bay]

ur playing against ai, not other players the game is played how you want with the tactics you want, this isnt cod or pubg

[stone bay]

thats why modders are the saviors rn

[bold sky]

also calling 416 the worst gun in the game is objectively false considering how it runs 556 so its already better than a lot of guns lol

[native rune]

As usual

[bold sky]

also why are people so obsessed with the making suspect surrender bs

its such a weird hollywood fantasy

[prime mural]

AP should always 2-3 tap even through ceramic armors no?

[shrewd oriole]

Because a swat game should have people who surrender.

[bold sky]

not jhp

[white goblet]

modders try not to make horribly designed games playable challenge: impossible

[bold sky]

i try to run jhp more in case of limb shots

[stone bay]

they arent russian mercs, they are suspects who have lives and value them, not tactical sworn to honor military men

[crude prism]

I favor controllability over raw firepower. I'd rather use something in 9's all day over the 416, it's just so crap

[bold sky]

but yes ap 556 2 taps chest usually

[prime mural]

It's the worst of its kind.

[bold sky]

i thought so too but

[stone bay]

you think in the real world suspects just shoot till they die and get shot? A lot of them surrender be real lmaooo

[bold sky]

416 seems to be mostly vert recoil

rn it feels like shit to use scar bc of the weird ass horizontal recoil

[hazy topaz]

getting shot through the floor on ends of the earth>>>>>

[bold sky]

it shifts left and already a lot of the optics are misaligned to the left so now its even more unbearable

[shrewd oriole]

You are playing the game like it's cod and not giving them a chance, you ruin the SWAT idea and just play a random tactical shooter with evil terrorist guys.

[white goblet]

most suspects are not murderers irl

[bold sky]

thats your idea

[white goblet]

why do you think we have so many prisons

[plain kraken]

I don’t think this guy understands what exactly this game is lol

[bold sky]

irl most suspects that barricade and are armed are never given a chance like ever

go to prison and try to ask how many of them were armed and shooting swat and get to sit there

[stone bay]

ok well you have no idea what ur talking about no offense

[hazy topaz]

gee i wonder why

[lucid elk]

Fucking...

Because teenagers from Fuckwit High College are not as trained or mentally tough as ex-veterans and should not be such.

Especially when they decide to flank and endlessly charge you.

[shrewd oriole]

You can shoot people who point guns at you or shoot?

[bold sky]

please stop living in your hollywood dream

[prime mural]

Except as the current ai stands, THEY WILL SHOOT. Like even if you wound em, they will shoot

[stone bay]

have you ever seen a barricaded house clearing? Watch body cam footage they dont just shoot till they fucking die they often surrender or are incapciatated and given many chances

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly.

[hazy topaz]

yep

[bold sky]

if you want this game to be like hollywood like swat 4 thats fine

[stone bay]

truth

[white goblet]

then why have tasers non lethal in the game if you're not supposed to use it

[bold sky]

for you to live your hollywood dream is why they are there

[shrewd oriole]

A game where suspects value their lives? Hollywood. Should of shot all of them. They'd never surrender

[stone bay]

literal swat operators and law enforcement workers have said swat 4 was realistic what are you even yapping about

[bold sky]

less than lethal weapon are not employed in actual raid a lot

[white goblet]

yes but the fact that it's basically useless right now means there's something wrong with the game

[bold sky]

you are fucking drunk if you think "literal swat operators and law enforcement workers have said swat 4 was realistic"

[hazy topaz]

it's not useless

[lucid elk]

Surprise: a SWAT game includes non-lethal weapons and tools.

[white goblet]

and i'm not a non lethal player, but it shouldn't be borderline useless

[bold sky]

plenty of them think swat 4 is a fantasy

[stone bay]

not the whole game but a lot of the elements were credited as being realistic wdym

[bold sky]

yes like 3 elements out of 100

[white goblet]

i'm not arguing against having that option at all. it absolutely should be there even though i don't use it

[shrewd oriole]

Suspects not wanting to die and surrendering? Evil! Unrealistic! They should be shot on sight at all times.

[stone bay]

facts they all have niche

[bright valley]

Completely sidestepping any discussion about realism, I think it's just an underutilized part of the gameplay loop for players to come into view of a suspect and not be 100% certain what their next move is going to be. Having a conservative RoE and a continuum of force is much of what gives the game its character as a SWAT sim as opposed to a milsim.

[plain pike]

they basically are usenleses, i was able to s tier multiple before final release and now can't. takes so many shots to make someone comply

[crude prism]

I wish the AI was more impacted by being wounded, especially on the extremities, limping when hit in the legs, accuracy/trouble holding onto two handed weapons when wounded in the arms. And overall more considerate about ending a fight early to survive

[stone bay]

LMFAOOO

[bold sky]

game should strive for fun not over the top realism

swat 4 did that and they did it well

[shrewd oriole]

Mfs when swat 4 is fun and they mostly value their lives

[devout carbon]

Saw the game got updated. Did it improve the AI?

[stone bay]

the game is a 'tactical shooter' if you want a fast paced fps go play cod

[white goblet]

this isn't tarkov

[shrewd oriole]

You yap about realism and then say it doesn't have to be realistic, what?

[bold sky]

i didnt yap about realism?

[white goblet]

that's why i call him flip flop

[stone bay]

I can assure you no law enforcement teams first idea of getting equipment is "GOTTA KILL THEM FASTER IN THE GUNFIGHT"

[bold sky]

im like one of the few people opposed to realism in this discord

[lucid elk]

Exactly. That's the fucking point.

It's a game, not a 1:1 recreation of SWAT.

[bold sky]

im pointing out that people who think less lethal is realistic are in a buble

[stone bay]

the games has tags of realistic and tactical

[white goblet]

it sounds like you're coming at me

[plain pike]

i will say, i do get aggravated with my team members getting anxious about getting into gun fights when the whole non lethals are basically dog water

[bold sky]

if we are being realistic

we can prolly get a whole district worth of police to launch a siege on barricaded suspects

[shrewd oriole]

"SWAT teams would never give them a chance, it's unrealistic"

'It doesn't have to be realistic."

Huh

[prime mural]

Because the entire point of swat irl is to save life. And this mentality translates into both swat 4 and ron

[stone bay]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[bold sky]

"SWAT teams would never give them a chance, it's unrealistic" is what you came up with not what i say

[stone bay]

this is true

[bold sky]

im ngl if you are in a situation where an active shootout is going on your goal is likely to save your own fucking life first

[white goblet]

OUR JOB IS NOT TO MAKE WIDOWS AND ORPHANS
OUR JOB IS TO BRING ORDER TO CHAOS

[prime mural]

Things like the uncertainty of whether a suspect will surrender or not or whether a civilian is really a civilian is what makes the game fresh.

[crude prism]

Face hitbox and accurate plate hitboxes when? I want to get 1 shot killed as much as the forums actually say it happens. literally can't

[stone bay]

you act like the game has active shootouts as the main basis, the centerpiece is baricaded suspects

[lucid elk]

Nah, nothing against you. Just talking shit.

[prime mural]

Like is it fun to know that if suspect gets up after surrendering, u pop him bc hes 100% gonna shoot u?

[bold sky]

theres like 4 barricaded suspects scenario in this game where someone hasn't died already?

[hazy topaz]

taser

[plain pike]

i do like that a lot, the on ly issue i have is. pepperballs suck and so do big bad ouchie bags haha

[shrewd oriole]

I'm sorry you say it's Hollywood not unrealistic

[stone bay]

there are way more dont do that lol

[lucid elk]

#patch-notes is right there.

[shrewd oriole]

In other words, no.

[prime mural]

Not my point, my point is that part of the fun of ron comes from the uncertainty and decision making that you do at each suspect situation

[bold sky]

trying to think of more kayahu is one, mindjot is the other, voll and park homes

[shrewd oriole]

They didn't improve AI

[bright valley]

I'm all for using reality to inspire game design, as long as it doesn't cripple it.

[bold sky]

what else has no one dead already

[stone bay]

most of the objectives talk about deescalating or preserving the situation stop trying to make a non point

[hazy topaz]

good luck getting them to surrender anyways without a flash stinger or gas. literally nobody listens to the yell command

[stone bay]

I respect your point but its just dishonest

[plain pike]

9 times out of 10, when theres a barricaded and there is loss of life, lethal is almost always auto.

[shrewd oriole]

Why do I get a -150 points when I shoot on sight, Hollywood!

[plain pike]

bro bout to start flashing EVERY DOOR

[prime mural]

In essence, ready or not should not be a flow chart of if/then statements. If he doesn't immediately surrender, ur just shooting him

[lucid elk]

Yet, VOID seems to be stuck in a hole they dug themselves into between realism and arcade.

[slender adder]

nice take, are you going to design the next big tactical shooter hit?

[stone bay]

theyre going towards more realism by taking away the modifiers like bomb threat and hostages per level

[shrewd oriole]

Swat 4 thank the heavens has armed civilians that actually test you. They'll usually surrender by a yell, but if your stupid you'll shoot on sight, failing the mission

[lucid elk]

If you feel like it, you're more than welcome to on my behalf.

[prime mural]

Funny thing is you can do exactly that without penalty if u just wait for the AI to aggro. Like wait half a second b4 blasting and zero penalties bc THEY WILL SHOOT

[bright valley]

I think the biggest hole they're dug in right now as far as the game's core design goes is the binary civilian/suspect dichotomy.

[stone bay]

swat 4 has flaws but its overall a very enjoyable police simulator

[shrewd oriole]

It's great.

[prime mural]

The entire game is extremely binary.

[stone bay]

it really is, timeless game tbh

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah.

[bright valley]

😏

[round epoch]

fr makes it super easy once you start to learn the maps. I can immediately tell who has a gun on every map basically instantly

[shrewd oriole]

Swat 4 succeeds in what it wanted to extremely well. It feels very fun and makes me pray to the optiwond

[glass dune]

why if i have the heavy amor and they shoot my arm it becomes red? Shouldn't it block the damage? Everybody is praising this thing but i mean it's useless

[prime mural]

Ur forearms aren't protected, p sure it's just your shoulder area

[round epoch]

ya you can see the shoulder pads

[shrewd oriole]

Armor barely matters, suspects will always shoot legs, arms, or your head for God knows what reason

[prime mural]

And ur forearms r literally in front of u

[shrewd oriole]

They got that aim bot.

[prime mural]

Tru, Ron musta taken a book out of tarkov ai. Mfs tryna break my leg 24/7

[slender adder]

real answer: shoulder hitboxes don't exist

[stone bay]

when you put on a vest, your arms arent protected lolol

[lucid elk]

To some extent.

Yeah, that, S-idal suspects, and having to walk slowly around the HQ to do stuff, especially when you just want to get to the briefing room but get spawned pretty much on the opposite side are some examples I can think of off the top of my head.

[slender adder]

suicidal

[stone bay]

yea it was amazing

[lucid elk]

I tried to send S-ide and it deleted my message.

Thanks, competent moderation team.

[shrewd oriole]

Pull out that optiwond on the stairs in the church place, I dare you. The sniper can't save you.

[glass dune]

so what's the point?

[stone bay]

to protect your torso from being shot

[hazy topaz]

when is ready or not coming to the souljaboy?

[prime mural]

Tbh the game would be way too easy if more ppl surrendered from simple show of force, but how else would the devs balance making incaps easier

[glass dune]

what?

[slender adder]

extra torso protection

[shrewd oriole]

Next week.

[glass dune]

even the light armor protects my torso

[glass dune]

bs

[prime mural]

More of ur torso

[bright valley]

WOND READY

[hazy topaz]

:0

[stone bay]

a vest protects your torso and body the heavy armor is just cosmetic

[glass dune]

you don't have extra torso protection with heavy

[lucid elk]

"Want it?"

[stone bay]

its just for looks

[shrewd oriole]

Get the george M out.

[glass dune]

are you trolling?

[stone bay]

yes

[glass dune]

then gtfo

[stone bay]

it just protects ur torso more lol

[bright valley]

"Juan's got a gun."

[glass dune]

you just said it's just cosmetic

[prime mural]

Look at the doc in the pinned messages. They have visualization of armor

[stone bay]

I was joking, it just provides stronger torso protection

[shrewd oriole]

Bring light armor with ceramic. Based and red pilled