GMS Kanna V263.1 BUGS

[small sparrow]

Kanna Changelog: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pze3jOnlUMhiypllwHWlvLz4rwPBrq0j5_Ek3p67TNY/edit?tab=t.0

#In V260 (2 patches ago), GMS Kanna received several changes (NOT MapleSEA). Here are the relevant ones:

Vanquisher’s Charm

• Decreased the amount of mana consumed per second from 40 to 25.
• Decreased the cooldown from 60 seconds to 50 seconds.

Shikigami Haunting IV

• Increased the amount of mana restored from 5 to 20.

Spirit’s Domain

• Increased the Final Damage from 15% to 36%.

Yuki-musume Shoukan

• Decreased the cooldown from 75 seconds to 60 seconds.

Spirit’s Path

• Increased the Final Damage at Lv. 10 from 20% to 30%.

#AS OF V262 (10/02/2025 - after the minor patch):

• Spirit's Domain's Final Damage is 15% now (last patch was 36%)

• Vanquisher's Charm cooldown is 60s now (last patch was 50s)

• Vanquisher's Charm mana cost is 40 now (last patch was 25 mana)

• Spirit's Path's Final Damage is 20% now (last patch was 30%)

• Yuki-musume Shoukan cooldown is 60s now (last patch was 55s)

• Shikigami Haunting 3rd hit restores 5 mana now (last patch was 20 mana)

• HEXA Shikigami Doppelganger hits 8 lines now (last patch was 15 lines)

• HEXA Tengu Strike is 570% now (last patch was 780%)

• HEXA Yosuzume is 330% now (last patch was 480%)

• HEXA Kishin hits 6 lines now (last patch was 4 lines)

• Bellflower Barrier - Boss Rush also seems to have been nerfed from 20% to 10% (which happened in MapleSEA)

There is about a 99.99% chance these were unintentionally directly imported over from MapleSEA as GMS gets their patches almost entirely from MapleSEA and this has happened several patches in a row.

GMS Kanna V262.1 BUGS

[wraith zinc]

Isn't it patch 263?

262 was night troupe

[hollow moat]

V263.1

[abstract sundial]

circle fixed?

[dapper olive]

no

[ionic bear]

Circle still broken

[small sparrow]

GMS Kanna V263.1 BUGS

[hollow moat]

Nothing isnt fixed

[dapper cedar]

old thread: https://discord.com/channels/309809230095843328/1420503696613052598

[molten jetty]

@placid cedar @wind surge @radiant thicket the community has clearly outlined the issues so please make sure the escalation tickets to the dev clearly capture all these details

[honest quartz]

Tako has been doing a good job of following this thread and giving us feedback, but it's frustrating to see that the bugs we reported didn't even appear in the known issues list and that we got nerfed instead.

[south horizon]

It appears we've received the MSEA package overwriting our GMS changes in terms of (m3m4, domain, passive fd, yuki, vanq, and ninetails) basically the whole kanna package.
Then we also have the other issue of nightghost guide circle of suppression auto turning off within a few seconds even in town while not hitting anything (likely related to "in combat" or attack limit changes for mobbing maps) and other skills not properly proccing sol janus activations.

[rustic folio]

Thank you to all the CMs who are forwarding the bug reports and feedback from kanna players. But it is frustrating as a kanna player to have constant bugs and changes (whether intentional or accidental) every single patch. We just want some more communication from the devs about whether or not these changes are intentional or a bug, and at least be acknowledge in the bug reports if they are bugs.

[swift socket]

Not the first time they copypaste over gms exclusive changes, but still disappointing to see they can happen to this scale

[stark latch]

I don't understand how this ball keeps getting dropped over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Mistakes happen but come on, lack of communication is the unacceptable cherry on top.

[gusty shell]

for a maintenance that was supposed to fix various bugs, it somehow ended up making this class even more bugged, what a joke.
please make sure to thoroughly review kannas kit and how it was in the previous patches prior to the v263 patch bugs, copying over the different versions of the class (for at least the 4th time now recently) to this server is not the way to do it.

[wraith zinc]

Yes but they had a week to fix it which they did not

[small sparrow]

or you know, knowing this happened like 3 times in the past already, we could maybe do something different

and not just copy paste some shit

[swift socket]

Oh I agree, mistakes like these take literal seconds to notice if you log onto a Kanna, it points to them either not having testing tools at all or being too lazy to check.

[dapper olive]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-thinking-sad-coffee-gif-21807366

[small sparrow]

every patch for kanna players

[proper patrol]

Hexa Yosuzume, Tengu numbers drastically dropped too

[hollow moat]

fcking dircetor

Suffer from misfortune!", "Have a run of bad luck!

[peak hare]

maintenance done, it's vacation time for cms

[toxic niche]

they love to stab people behind back

[ionic bear]

Its riduclous how the same issues keep popping up every time. Even after being forewarned, going through the same problem in previous patches. It still occurs! Are the devs not being told? Or are the devs just too lazy to do their job properly? Is there a lack of oversight? What exactly is the issue?

[toxic niche]

we dont have devs

[peak hare]

probably busy with classic maple, inkwell boss need to present in maplecon

[hollow moat]

MAKE KANNA GREAT AGAIN

[proper patrol]

GO EAST

[daring cipher]

delete kanna make me a bishop

[winter dock]

Job change would go hard

[small sparrow]

jett treatment would go hard

[toxic niche]

fr fr

[dense kernel]

insane. comms? @placid cedar @radiant thicket @warm veldt

[dusk warren]

bumperino

[wicked owl]

💀

[midnight ember]

HEXA Shikigami Doppelganger hits 8 lines now (last patch was 15 lines)

So now we're calling bug fixes "unintended nerfs"?

[robust summit]

I just don’t get how 1 class in particular keeps getting fucked like this patch after patch lmao, whether it’s from bugs, unintended skill nerfs, or perma dcs

[dapper cedar]

circle of suppression mentioned: https://discord.com/channels/309809230095843328/1423415109753110589

[dapper cedar]

huh... circle of suppression isn't on that list?

[south horizon]

What do you mean by this? GMS had different %p values AND linecounts on their m3m4 skills.
It was listed as 15 lines, and it dealt 15 lines. Now it has been changed to the MSEA/TMS version, which is why it is different.
If you don't know what the situation is, why are you commenting?

[south horizon]

Issue is still there, I guess not mentioned as it just not something "new" introduced by the maintenance.

[midnight ember]

It's always said 8 lines in GMS and now it does 8 lines as intended. If you don't know what the situation is, why are you commenting?

[dapper cedar]

ok, so I'll redirect to the old one-shot thread for those cases

[south horizon]

I really want to know where you're getting your "8 lines" statement from.
MSEA/TMS/GMS all got 15lines for doppel. Did you misread "8 enemies"?
TMS was later nerfed*

Edit* I've been corrected. Tooltip said 8 lines but was doing TMS original version of 15 lines. Now it is doing the 8.
EditEdit* Apparently there's an "activated" display for it showing 15x2, and the nonhexa is also listed as 15x2, then current HEXA is 8x6.
Pls give me some consistency

[plush nimbus]

@midnight ember THOUGHTS?

[proper patrol]

Hey man it still says (Activated) when it's Activated

There's just a mismatch between the tooltips, but both are in the game

[small sparrow]

we do not know if it's an intended nerf or not hence why i'm listing it here. nexon themselves can figure out whether or not it was intended and act accordingly

im pointing out a change that was never listed in the patch notes or the known issues list or the fixed issues list or the minor patch issues

[upper thistle]

If we are gonna go west with kanna we should expect to stay west. If the gms team wants to deviate from the changes they had for kanna then it should be documented. If we are going to copy paste changes from other regions, leave a paper trail so that we at least know if its performing as expected or not. I honestly half suspect the devs won't include kanna in the notes or bugfixes because they are not confident they can do anything about the state of this class. Utterly disappointing. I know the cms are working hard and aren't responsible for what's going on with my class so I will spare y'all the heat, but please please please lets see some communication on what is going on with this class and what to expect moving forward.

Can't farm now I can barely clear my bosses lmaooo

[crystal prawn]

Anything not stated on a note or an update, it should be safe to assume that it was unintentional and should be considered a bug that needs to be corrected.

[small sparrow]

yes thats what i think as well. also this happened 2 patches ago with domain going from 36>15 and they fixed it

which leads all of us kanna players to think this is another unintended effect of copy pasting msea code

[opaque inlet]

Communication? Hello CM?

[proper patrol]

I think they're not allowed to respond unless the devs actually confirm a change

which will never happe

[opaque inlet]

At this point I doubt dev knows what they doing either. "What does this do...?"

[small sparrow]

suggestion: CMs ask the community

like id be happy to answer their questions if they shoot me a dm

[opaque inlet]

Imagine having a suggestion section just to not read it

[olive gyro]

The problem goes beyond the recent incidents. It's unbelievable how long kanna players have been treated with such disrespect. I've never seen such a lack of commitment to a group of players in any other game i've played.. No one deserves to play a class this unstable (whether it's overpowered or underpowered) and this problematic. At this point, i'd honestly prefer if they just discontinued the class 😔

[hollow moat]

Keep your word

[honest quartz]

If history repeats itself, I'm already counting on the class staying like this until the next major patch.
I've been counting down the weeks and traces for three months for my genesis weapon liberation.
Now that it's two weeks away from it, my hype for this small achievement is kinda gone because most of the FD gain I'll get from it will be to compensate for this nerf...

This isn't the end of the world, but if this is the standard experience of playing this game (at least with this class), then I probably won't be playing for long.

[fierce socket]

I don’t get how this class has issues every patch and no one ever does some sort of quality control, especially when it happened last patch this has happened for years

[fierce socket]

It is the standard, it’s why I quit for three years and honestly might again

[grim night]

[stark latch]

I did the exact same thing and will also likely do the same thing

This is the only game that I've heard of where literally every patch is broken, and the players are treated with irreverence and condescension

Just delete GMS at this point and call it a day

[hollow moat]

Please Check Carefully ..
@placid cedar @radiant thicket

[dusk warren]

please... i need the bubble fixed....

[broken lintel]

what happened to going West, why we copying and pasting Maple sea

[wicked gazelle]

I rather they copy from msea and have good comms than implement gms specific shit. Implementing gms shit is how we get extended maints and overpowered garbage lynns

[ember oak]

They went too far west, and now they on the east side instead

[dapper olive]

https://tenor.com/view/wumbo-no-caption-spongebob-wumbo-belt-belt-gif-7364847316546035076

[wicked owl]

bump. CMs?

[honest quartz]

Now that we've been given a taste of the GMS-exclusive balance changes they promised, I doubt players will accept this approach...

but there would probably be fewer complaints if, when the M3/M4 patch came out, they had kept the class exactly as it is in MSEA: weaker but more stable.

[gusty shell]

@radiant thicket @wind surge @warm veldt at this point it has been over a week since we have had any confirmation on whether the initial v263 patch changes were intentional or not, which you seem to have only noted as of yet, but nothing about the new post maintenance bugs (v263.1).
i find it odd that literally 1 hour after the first bug reports thread you have shown presence, and despite acknowledging the problems, none were listed in the known issues? while for the bigger issues that were just introduced in the last maintenance you went fully transparent.
previously we have had quicker responses and fixes to these kinds of issues so why is it any different now? why does it take over a week to gather the information on whether copying over code from overseas servers is intentional or not?
https://www.nexon.com/maplestory/news/general/29400/maple-memo-addressing-v-260-and-v-261-issues - we were promised things would be done better going forward and that bugs/issues will be handled more appropriately, yet the examples we were shown so far are the exact opposite.
i hope the coming QoL focused patch inkwell has in mind also applies to this company.

[timber nest]

The best QOL improvement at this point would probably be a full Jett-enning of Kanna.

We're constantly forced to bounce between windows of barely passable playability and long stretches of outright unplayability... plagued by game-breaking bugs, crashes, and even BANS! It's exhausting. We shouldn't have to endure this just to enjoy the game

[grim night]

Kanna is already receiving a revamp early next year, and deleting the class would piss off a lot of people since it’s actually well liked unlike Jett.

[molten jetty]

How does revamp fix gms incompetence issue?

We already get kanna from other servers and it’s an issue. It’s just a pile of crap with new frosting

[timber nest]

I know its not gonna happen. Its not about that. I've been maining Kanna for almost 6 years now... Having to permanently worry about if Im gona be able to do dailies on the day after EVERY Patch, or if all of the sudden I might get cut out of my bossing parties because I lost 30% of my damage out of the blue should NOT be a thing. And that's if I can even log in or if my left tengu actualy decides not to take another vacation

The game has been a mess overall lately, but for Kannas its been like this for fucking ever

[honest quartz]

in my opinion, Kanna only ate well this year for a month and a half, in that period between the m3m4 update and the 2 minute update

For the rest of the time, we were oscillating between minor annoyances and game-breaking bugs.

[toxic niche]

Just dont copping they wont fix untill revamp

[timber nest]

half of that time we were doing bugged extra damage ONCE AGAIN because they don't read what we write and just copy/paste buggs that already happened in other regions (ngg bug TWICE)

[honest quartz]

yeah, bugs that introduced unfair buffs were also a problem

[honest quartz]

This lack of consistency is the most annoying part.
We don't know if the bug will be fixed next week or in the next major update or in the class revamp. We don't even know if the next minor patch will make things worse.
There's no communication or feedback. The Circle of Suppression bug was reported within the first few minutes of the game's launch and hasn't yet appeared on the known issues list.

[dapper cedar]

so you're saying the Circle of Suppression bug is being... suppressed?

[molten jetty]

CM’s are goated at the quiet game. 🤫

[wicked gazelle]

You forgot to mention the two times where kanna was miles stronger than the strongest class because of a bug. (Also strong af with gms exclusive balancing regardless). I get that kanna has been inconsistent but it’s slimy to only mention the problems kanna had. The bug literally gave kanna achievements that they normally can’t get and nexon never removed them.

[rugged stump]

We’ve already vocalized the complaint and also warned the CMs about how this bug can pop up ahead of time on the patch

What are we supposed to do, not play when we’re unintentionally stronger? Why not go for achievements if you can do them. I doubt any top tier player wouldn’t go for the same achievements if they had the temporary boost so I wouldn’t blame anyone for it

He literally mentions it in the comment previous to the one you’re replying to

[timber nest]

I mentioned extra damage. Its just a bug ported from MSEA or TMS or whatever the hell. Were we supposed to stop playing the class because of it?

plus that bug giving us extra damage is literaly just another problem steming from the same origin

[wicked gazelle]

Let’s be honest, the only problem nexon has is the shit communication. Yall are mad because it’s a stealth nerf from msea port. If it was a stealth buff everyone would’ve been quiet

[dapper olive]

Not really the sole reason were angry but their communication moreso yeah

Its not like kannas havent been vocal about nexon buffing and nerfing lol

[timber nest]

no bro we're all slimy subhumans who abused the 2 weeks ngg was bugged!

playing the last 5 years with kanna is nothing compared to that!

[molten jetty]

Are you dense? Any class that gets ninja nerfed without communication would be upset

This is not a kanna exclusive thing, everyone would be upset in this situation

[gusty shell]

for what its worth, literally later that same patch and the one after, the same bosses people abuse cleared were still clearable again while unbugged.
but i guess the players have to apologize for nexon porting over a bug we knew of a month ahead of time...

[wicked gazelle]

can you read? I literally say the problem is the shit comms. If they put the nerf in patch notes you're still gonna complain

[molten jetty]

This whole post would not exist if it were communicated a nerf

I was hoping you were just rage baiting for your sake but it seems like this is just your natural state

💀

[wicked gazelle]

yeah instead it would just be another bamba video on why kanna sucks

[molten jetty]

And what’s the problem with someone pointing out their opinions regarding a patch?

That’s not a bug report

[dapper olive]

Hes talking out of his ass everywhere, dont take it seriously

[pearl steeple]

It's not even the communication tho. It's that they themselves don't even know what they're doing at this point. Constantly reintroducing the same bugs, copying over month old game breaking bugs etc.

The amount of times i ctrl + f "kanna" in patch notes and find nothing, only to log in and see tengu is bugged again.

The patch notes listing Kanna changes that already happened 3 patches ago and the list keeps going.

[molten jetty]

@placid cedar take responsibility and accountability for your promise to strengthen the bridge between internal teams and players when you first joined 3 months ago. This doesn’t look like advocating for our concerns

[wicked gazelle]

yeah you too.

kanna strong af and everryone silent. becomes mid like the average class and all of a sudden it's doom everywhere

[small sparrow]

The problem is not "we got nerfed gg".
The problem is "we got changes that were never mentioned in any documentation" while there is a history of Nexon America doing exactly that with Kanna. 2 patches ago (v261), Kanna got the Nightghost Guide bug and Domain bug that was present in MapleSEA. Then 1 patch ago (v262), Kanna got the exact same Nightghost Guide bug from v261. Now this patch (v263), we got the same Domain bug from v262 and then on the following minor patch (v263.1), we got pretty much everything copied over (almost certain to be unintentional) from MapleSEA, even for the stuff that GMS specifically buffed like Spirit Path passive.

[wicked gazelle]

Which is why I said the main problem is their shit comms. Kanna is mid after taking the msea patch, which is fine. GMS specific balance was stupid in the first place to make kanna so strong.

[small sparrow]

afaik, kanna sucks in all the other servers which are aligned with MapleSEA so it's not mid, its bad

[upper thistle]

i don't care what they do with my class though i prefer the damage over these undocumented changes since i am trying to get into baldrix and hlimbo a bit sooner

honestly they could do anything with this class as long as they left a clear trail of paperwork and transparency and we werent prone to catching a bug every other patch. atp it feels like we spin a wheel to decide what bug we're going to have on patch day. ive done my part and messaged the cms, and this thread is exploding (with hardly any formal acknowledgement, though at least tako has said something)

if we got a reply of something actionable like "the known bugs will be updated soon" over half of us would shut up because at least it would confirm that its not worrking as intended or vice versa with patch notes

[wicked gazelle]

i mean you had this discussion already with drogon in the kanna disc, they're clearly not bad in gms right now

[wet sparrow]

how bad is kanna in terms of numbers? did the big pp kannas run some BAs?

[upper thistle]

tbf drogon said kanna performs pretty mid to high in BALDRIX specifically while kanna is bad in some other bosses

throw us in limbo for practical damage output and suddenly it looks a lot different

[wicked gazelle]

what can you do in baldrix that you can't do in limbo

[upper thistle]

consistently hit double tengus/ circle

no iframing/ platform delete (risk domain poofing)

[upper thistle]

id dare say these two things alone are like 5 fd on ba

[small sparrow]

I do hlimbo with NL and Aran. We're all similarly spec'd and I'm currently doing ~15% less damage than them. They're also burst classes on a dpm boss meanwhile I'm a dpm class on a dpm boss.

[proper patrol]

I think it's more that tp class advantage is pretty nice for Baldrix
Circle is a bit better in Baldrix (especially shines in p2) than for Limbo but the double tengus are reasonable in both bosses

[upper thistle]

so its just an uptime thing then?

circle alone probably like 2-4 fd then?

[proper patrol]

For Limbo it's more that 540m cp kanna is doing a massive 1.2q 8:20 BA full buffed with some externals

Still clearable but gl to the people without DPs

[upper thistle]

before the nerfs i was close to hlimbo pt

my 8:30 ba was 1.05q

now doomed

[proper patrol]

Definitely shouldn't have been tbh

[wicked gazelle]

i mean you do have barriers/haku/foot bind. Before the stealth nerf you would prob be doing 10% more damage than them.

[proper patrol]

p accurate, went from 10fd over to around 10fd under for me

[upper thistle]

"close" is still 25-30 fd off tbf

[proper patrol]

Not as bad as the 30fd gap that existed before GMS exclusive balancing came to Kanna but a bit odd to see it trending back that direction with no comms

[wicked gazelle]

don't get me wrong my legion champ is a kanna and i don't mind it being good. It's just the gms exclusive changes made it TOO strong where a class with utility would be doing 10% more than a class with nothing like NL

the only problems here are the bad comms from GMS

[upper thistle]

with the amount of bugs showing up i dont think the devs are confident enough to keep it in line with the gms balancing

so i expect it to go back to msea balancing or something similar

not that i want that

[wicked gazelle]

besides, it doesn't mean anything when a rework is coming next year anyway

[small sparrow]

• Barrier is impossible to get full value in limbo. It was also stealth nerfed from 46% to 36%.

• Haku is 16% dmg permament which is ~2%fd

• Foot bind is obviously the biggest pro of brinigng a Kanna but the low damage now makes it undesirable

• 10% is a stretch, it would be closer to 6%

• NLs also have frailty (~2-3% fd)

• Arans have 30 atk buff (~0.75% fd)

[wicked gazelle]

so all gms exclusive balancing would be wiped

[upper thistle]

if we're weak for a year we got a rework soon idm

if we're strong for a year we got a rework

no loss

[small sparrow]

we just don't know about frailty i guess

[upper thistle]

also idk if yall noticed their solution to 9tf buff duration was to make it a 1m cd

[proper patrol]

"their" solution?

[small sparrow]

so it's logical to wipe the gms exclusive balancing when it came out just 4 months ago? no of course it's not, this is completely unintentional. if this was their logic, they'd just wait for the rework and neglect to update Kanna until then

[upper thistle]

mb the bugged solution

[proper patrol]

What are we even arguing about here

[small sparrow]

no its actually because MSEA version is 1m cd, it's literally just copied

[upper thistle]

oh is it

thats funny

[small sparrow]

they literally just said: fuck it just copy and paste everything from msea after we just made gms exclusive changes 4mo ago

[upper thistle]

ok im gonna dip to clean up comms cms need to be able to see takeaway feedback and not us talking semantics and other stuff

@placid cedar @wind surge @radiant thicket daily ping to remind you this class needs attention since the latest patch, please refer to the op

[dapper cedar]

I'm so confused on how this convo relates to the bugs

[wicked gazelle]

it gives as much as ur haku lmao. might as well consider puncture on hero for it to be a utility class

[small sparrow]

if you're going to include haku then you better be consistent and include frailty

[proper patrol]

Just usual ragebaitah

[dapper cedar]

it's making it harder for me to keep up with stuff

[small sparrow]

it doesn't. he's just saying that the this is okay from nexon because it was nerfing an op class

[wicked gazelle]

it was two separate statements on what kanna has

don't get me wrong my legion champ is a kanna and i don't mind it being good. It's just the gms exclusive changes made it TOO strong where a class with utility would be doing 10% more than a class with nothing like NL

where did i say haku here ^

i

NEVER

[small sparrow]

holy fk bro is dumb. YOU mentioned haku earlier so it's literally implied when you refer to "a class with utility"

[wicked gazelle]

said that

mf assuming a ton of shit because he mad i'm not on his side for buffing kanna

[small sparrow]

IT IS IMPLIED you included haku in that assessment of Kanna when you compared it to NL due to earlier you mentioning it as something that Kanna brings to the table

so its disingenuous to NOT include something like frailty

[upper thistle]

can we drop it please we need to clear comms so cms have actionable feedback for devs

[proper patrol]

I'm more bothered by the comment that implied we're only complaining because it was a stealth nerf rather than a stealth buff.

We had threads made about the +p% bug with explanations and didn't try to say Kanna wasn't strong after m3m4. After that we just discussed the bugs that remained that affected the class QoL from inconsistency

[proper patrol]

idt they're allowed to say anything to us until they get confirmations

[small sparrow]

statement 1: Kanna has foot bind/haku/barrier

statement 2: Kanna support is good

WHAT THE FUCK AM I IMPLYING WITH THE 2ND STATEMENT

like bro you are stupid as fuck

[dapper cedar]

If nothing else, you're cluttering the thread and burying the actual bugs

[proper patrol]

and the original message for this thread is a p good summary

[molten jetty]

There’s nothing really more to add for the CM’s

[wicked gazelle]

the thing is, when it was strong the bug report was about domain being bugged

[molten jetty]

Them playing the quiet game is what’s causing us to get angry at each other

[proper patrol]

aye we adding a lil' personality 🫡

[proper patrol]

Had to go back in check, guess you're right on this. Issue was only brought up within the thread rather than the thread title. Carry on then

[wicked gazelle]

yeah the kanna being strong is brought up by the non-kanna mains. kanna mains were giga quiet on this disc

[proper patrol]

No

[wicked gazelle]

most of the kanna damage stuff was within kanna disc

[proper patrol]

I would not call abc and neth non mains

[proper patrol]

But true

[small sparrow]

what the fuck does bro want us to do when our class is strong but not bugged (not ngg bugged strong)? "yea uhh can you nerf our class our class is too strong"

and not "well domain is supposed to be 36% and not 15% you should probably fix that"

[dapper cedar]

thinking of pinging mods

[upper thistle]

im not afraid to admit im interested in my class being strong but before that i want stability transparency and for the bugs to go away

[proper patrol]

Gonna just unfollow this post since idt anything happens until next wk anyways

[south horizon]

I'm sorry, but I posted and got a response about the %p ngg within the same day of the issue, and we had a response about it from the CMs immediately after. I posted about the same issue again WHEN IT POPPED UP AGAIN THE NEXT PATCH an hour after the maintenance and also received an immediate response. I'm not sure what else you think is an appropriate response here? Trying to pull aggro because you have a crabs in the bucket mentality feels pretty petty. If Kanna has issues, why aren't you reporting them either? This is a forum to discuss bug issues.

[wicked gazelle]

I did report the ngg bug lmao
guess it's a crab in the bucket mentality to speak out when a near unkillable class is stronger than the rest of the cast bugged or not. maybe you can look into the term game balance

[rustic folio]

This thread is about kanna bugs and should remain as such, any conversation about game balance should not be taking place here.

Again, we need clear communication about whether or not these kanna changes are intentional and it should not take this long to get a response from the devs.

[hollow moat]

GO TMS

[dapper olive]

No one was being quiet, everything came to light buff or nerf, intentional or not...

[rigid tinsel]

HELPPPPPPPPP IM A KANNA AND WE NEED HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[keen canopy]

so there's still no response from the CMs up to now?

🖕

[dusk warren]

henlo..

[sturdy pulsar]

kannas were the ones that reported the bug

above all else we want this class to be as represented and consistent

but like yeah if your goal is to lie on the internet you are doing a real good job of it

tbh if we are talking about doing a real good job about lying on the internet Inkwell et al. (@placid cedar @radiant thicket @warm veldt) are also cooking on this front as they haven't published an accurate set of patch notes as it regards to Kanna in over a month so really you are not out of line if your goal is to spread misinformation on the internet,

[wicked gazelle]

?

[sturdy pulsar]

Man idk I thought we were just lying and soapboxing I was trying to fit in

[wicked gazelle]

If you do a search in the bug reports for kanna you'll see the threads for them doesn't have to do with bugged + dmg. It was reported in a thread for domain, which I missed, so I'm wrong for not seeing the hiding guy's comments

Sorry I don't go through all the comments of the kanna bug threads

[sturdy pulsar]

Yet you still felt the need to comment and say no one reported it

[wicked gazelle]

Which I why I said I'm wrong?

idk what u want

an award that said omg u r right on the internet wow

[sturdy pulsar]

Just tired of people blatantly lying

[wicked gazelle]

Lying is if I know someone reported it and said no one did

[sturdy pulsar]

I'm not going and saying whatever class you play deserves nerfs and anyone who plays it is collaborating with bug abusers

Why do you think saying that about my class is acceptable

Genuine question to be clear

[wicked gazelle]

if a class is miles ahead of the others what's wrong with that

[sturdy pulsar]

So you think that the current state of Kanna (which this thread is about) is miles ahead of other classes?

[wicked gazelle]

current state of kanna is gud

[sturdy pulsar]

Oh

[wicked gazelle]

Better than this

[sturdy pulsar]

Sorry for bothering you

[wicked gazelle]

[sturdy pulsar]

Get back to your treatment I wish you the best 🙏 everything is curable with modern medicine

[wicked gazelle]

I hope the nerfs cure you too

❤️

[timber nest]

dude can you stop shitposting

what the hell lol

ur not even a kanna main

gtfo

[wicked gazelle]

I already left this thread and you bozos keep pinging me back LMAO

[wicked gazelle]

That’s why i’m not delusional

[pearl steeple]

Classic terminally online redditor 💀

[wicked gazelle]

[stark latch]

[plush nimbus]

COME BACK

[wicked gazelle]

[remote sand]

Why is homie sneaking Kannas lol, what did they do to deserve this when they've been fighting for years through bug after bug.

[dapper olive]

he dont like our class history

[wicked gazelle]

Why can’t they be an average class? It doesn’t deserve bugs but it also doesn’t deserve to be that strong

[wraith zinc]

oh no the class u hate got some good changes must nerf it to the ground again

kanna was shit from 2022 untill patch 260

it being a bit strong isnt an issue

[wicked gazelle]

It’s literally my legion champ lmao

Once again why can’t they be mid? Most classes are average but I guess you have to be strong af because you were weak for a few years.

[wraith zinc]

Cause they bottom of the barrel for last 3 years

[wicked gazelle]

So what?

Look at wh

Look at pf

[wraith zinc]

Literally Kanna was bottom spot apart from bw or something

[wicked gazelle]

Yeah and now they up to mid

Gains

[plush nimbus]

w

[wraith zinc]

Had horrible masteries 6th job

[plush nimbus]

idc what spot they in

just need them to say if this is intended

or not

[wicked gazelle]

Yeah that

Just bad comms

But everyone more mad theyre not giga strong

[plush nimbus]

think more mad about the no comms

sucks its like this but i'd be giga pissed if they just dont say anything

[wicked gazelle]

Nah i alrdy said shit comms everyone trying to shit on me was talking about the dmg

[south horizon]

Kinda weird that you're now arguing balance in a bug report forum. Also kinda weird that your so-called "bug-reporting" previously was hopping on an anger bandwagon and telling devs to get fired for not fixing issues ... instead of actually reporting bugs. So you're already stretching the truth in your statements and opinions with inflammatory strawman statements. Classes will always go up and down. First you were claiming it was us being mad about the damage, and now you're deflecting again. Starting to feel like you're just pulling flame because mad about them being top for ... 3 months? Class is getting reworked in a few months and no-one knows where it's going. We just want some clarity and information. Also, constantly claiming "it's my legion champ" is an interesting deflection to throw as an excuse considering everyone already 'plays' every class.
Professional ragebait

[wicked gazelle]

Damn bro why u writing an essay

[south horizon]

And yes, kanna was worst solo dmg class by around 35% since the destiny patch.
Then after the solo dmg (edit) buff they were worst solo dmg & party dmg class by around 15% for a while after. The jump in dmg started from stargazer p1 patch

[wicked gazelle]

I even submitted a ticket lmao

Guess it’s not enough of a bug report compared to your two sentences in the domain thread

[south horizon]

It's pretty convenient to only need two sentences when you know the message is passed along.

[wicked gazelle]

Waow sugoi

[novel rapids]

Alot of yall are highkey opportunist as hell when it comes to this lmao

[dapper olive]

who cares if its your legion champ, we just want bugs fixed, regardless of bottom, mid or top tier. who wouldnt want their class to be on top tho

[wicked gazelle]

apparently the clown that thinks I hate kanna when strong kanna benefits me care l0l
class definitely should get bugs fixed. never said that. My main point was kanna became mid after porting msea changes over and people didn't like that

[dapper olive]

ngl, it does not feel mid after mse changes

feels bottom-mid

[glacial lodge]

Feels like kanna players were more vocal about their bugs when the class was weak, but then when the class became undeniably strong, they didn't realy care about the bugs as long as they were strong

even when the bugs still existed

[dapper olive]

those bugs were still reported regardless of unintentional nerfs and buffa

its not our fault nexon cant do anything right at the moment

no proper comms either

[glacial lodge]

I'm not blaming kannas for that, I'm just saying that why is the focal point of the argument

that kannas are weak/mid, not that they have alot of bugs

[wicked gazelle]

not a math person but i'll quote a math guy

[dapper olive]

everything is theoretical rn with 2m changes but im sure there are classes out there shining

[glacial lodge]

idt its theoretical its actually straight math no

if x class got 15% fd adjustment from where they were before

[dapper olive]

its not a proper adjustment if its unintended

[glacial lodge]

You and I both agree that before the intentional or unintentional nerfs

kannas were very strong right

[dapper olive]

of course, we all acknowledge that

[glacial lodge]

the only issue here is that the changes were unannounced yeah?

[dapper olive]

the issue is we are bugged every patch

like almost every fking patch,

[glacial lodge]

i agree with that part

[dapper olive]

its so sad... so idk how remaster will save us

since we are till non kms

[glacial lodge]

it probably won't

[dapper olive]

oh well, im loyal to the class and love the memes

[glacial lodge]

I mean i'm not a kanna main anymore

But i just think that argueing a class was weak before, shouldn't be a focal point of bug fixes

bug fixing should be unrelated to how strong a class is

[dapper olive]

im not arguing that, thats all kanna discord, personally i just want to play a class without a signifficant unprepared change

[dapper olive]

i agree

i lib this upcoming thursday and should our class not be fixed i hope it somewhat compensates for the loss of dmg

[south horizon]

People wants damage, which is understandable. We don't really have a say on buffs or nerfs. All we can do is make requests and show data. But having the class actually play correctly without bugs is the point of the bug-report thread.
GMS has been working on bug-fixes. Many of the issues we have brought up have been fixed. Those changes have been noted in patches.
GMS has very much dropped the ball on this maintenance with their lack of ANY information on the nonkms MSEA/TMS port overall. MoXuan, Lynn, Kanna (rip hayato) all have large-scale changes that were originally meant for the patch a week ago but were likely delayed due to issues. Not having notes on those changes also just makes it worse.
It's ... interesting to say the least to play a class going 50/50 on a core part of their kit breaking after every patch. Plus being constantly promised better communication every time.

[pearl steeple]

They once before removed the GMS specific balancing, then stated that was unintentional, and reverted it. So people saying it is a deliberate nerf are straight up delusional. It's a bug, until proven differently.

[toxic niche]

they will play silent game with all the bug and give some x3 exp coupon 15min

[sweet steeple]

just wondering what is kanna dmg now? Bottom #1?

[dapper cedar]

I missed this last convo, but if I'm there when it happens again, I'll get some mods to help, since idk what to do at this point

[dapper cedar]

this is possibly the last statement that was (possibly) related to the bug report, and... I don't think it actually changed anything regarding the initial post

[rustic folio]

again please stop talking about balance, completely unrelated to this thread and only causes clutter

we want these changes/bugs addressed

[fierce socket]

kanna has had bad bugs for the past few years and had a good bug for once and ur saying we cant complain about bad bugs?

[hollow moat]

@wind surge @quartz snow @warm veldt any updates?

[sweet steeple]

more than 90% of the time, kanna was unplayable..

[rigid tinsel]

FIX KANNA PLEASE I LOVE KANNA

[remote sand]

[sweet steeple]

Kanna are cats, if nexon doesn't fix kanna. Nexon hates cats = nexon cute animal abusers.

[wicked owl]

they might be enjoying there weekend, and surley will be back on monday hot on the case and have some coms for us

[worn perch]

if they dont fix this, ima have to get involved.

big situation

[sweet steeple]

Not fixing kanna is pissing off lots of single old cat Karen's. Not a good idea

[molten jetty]

@radiant thicket @wind surge @warm veldt I understand Calahan might be dealing with some personal things, but in his absence one of you need to step up. CM does not stand for community mutes. Please show a little care for what you do and have some respect for the community

[stark latch]

Maybe they'll fix with MX 2 minute patch

[remote sand]

Mo Xuan's 2 minute patch was a buggy mess

surely they'll fix it

😄

[sweet steeple]

isn't this normal routine from nexon? getting nexoned is a daily thing

[rustic folio]

praying for comms from nexon on monday 🙏

[broken viper]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-prier-pray-praying-praying-hands-gif-12313547787077344754

[uneven thicket]

4 cms btw

[timber nest]

This is actually CRAZY to me... my Kanna is about to hit 5 and a half years old and I can’t remember a time where things were this bad.

Communication with us has always been real rough, but lately it’s on a whole new low. We've had some CMs join the kanna disc and actually try to help (RIP Ezra), only for them to get ignored by the higher ups/devs cause Kanna QoL changes are being drip-fed so slowly we might as well just ask for the class to be deleted (LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING) because having to endure this shouldn't happen, is exhausting and we feel like 💩.

But THIS? Holy guacamole… a patch that changes like TEN skills of a class with ZERO mention anywhere in the patch notes. Then a week of silence. Then comes maintenance!!! The one that’s supposed to fix all the bugs and maybe roll back these UNDOCUMENTED changes - it comes around and either does NOTHING or somehow makes it WORSE!?!?

PLEASE. JUST. SAY. SOMETHING.

[toxic niche]

They busy with clasic maple with WHO ASK fpr that any way
Stab player behind the back they good at it

[remote sand]

Kanna and Mo Xuan both have broken shit with 0 communication or word on them yet

but they'd do an emergency maintenance downtime for Kanna bugs in the past that BENEFIT us, or for increased drop rates of items more than they should be

but 2 non-KMS classes have class ruining, experience ruining bugs?

Nah who cares, silence!

[toxic niche]

That why im never trust nexon or hope
Dev have 1 job copy and patse and still fuck up

[dapper olive]

4 cms btw

[grim night]

Thread so far

[dapper olive]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-peter-griffin-family-guy-family-guy-peter-bird-is-the-word-gif-26905079

[haughty escarp]

Holly molly these nerf/bugg is hella bad

[sweet cape]

[timber nest]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-14496007641655524320

[pearl steeple]

I'm getting 10k maple points everytime my bubble cancels itself

[toxic niche]

4 cm btw oh wait minus 1 only 3 rn

[hollow moat]

@warm veldt @placid cedar @wind surge

[small sparrow]

is it a nexon holiday or something?

[upper thistle]

just put the patch in the bag nexon

[timber nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799497787527790593/1301553145788498001/wtf.gif

[eager fractal]

somebody send help please

[molten jetty]

Since our CM’s don’t talk, maybe this will help them understand

[sweet cape]

[vivid jasper]

I hope we won't play bugged Kanna next after maintenance...

[small sparrow]

they taking "paid by the hour" way too religiously

[opaque inlet]

Hello? Kanna got fucked for two patches in a row, do something nexon? Literally every bug is laid out here in the post op started. Stop being lazy and no one cares if someone cant pull out their android from storage. Fix. This. Class.

[sweet steeple]

Nexon be like what is the point of fixing it, since we just copy and paste. It will get fked again next patch.

[sturdy pulsar]

@warm veldt @placid cedar @wind surge

[sour root]

revamp cant come soon enough. i have a kanna mule fully geared and everything that i havent played for months because the class is always broken and feels bad to play

[dusky oyster]

not even the decency for the usual ''it's been forwarded'' copy paste, wow

[dapper olive]

Thats an insult at this point

[timber nest]

after the rework it will just be as broken of a class, look at moxuan and lynn xD

[uneven thicket]

30$/hr for doing nothing. dream job

[toxic niche]

i would take that offer lol 30$ and do nothink sound so good

[pearl steeple]

Gotta chatgpt the msea patchnotes

Hard work

[hollow moat]

@warm veldt @placid cedar @wind surge

[broken lake]

lol, this is so bad

[sweet cape]

comms

[timber nest]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-longtime-years-later-its-been84years-rose-dawson-gif-5453439

[uneven thicket]

we got cash shop update before we got cms responding to the bugs 😂

[sturdy pulsar]

stop timing me out cowards

[sour root]

dont worry guys! They Won't Back Down From This Challenge !!

[gusty shell]

stop timing will out cowards

[mental turret]

No word on this? Patch has been up for weeks now

[cerulean dock]

💀

[toxic niche]

is muppet they dont talk unless some one use

[lyric otter]

4 CMs
0 Comms
1 week

Almost 2010 Nexon tier

[timber nest]

bro

BRO

WHAT

[winter dock]

THIS IS UN REAL

[timber nest]

"some skills of Mo Xuan and Lynn"

HAHAHAHA

I CANT

[olive gyro]

🤡

[timber nest]

🤡

[opaque inlet]

we need the og clown kanna photo back

[toxic niche]

classic nexon gms

[small sparrow]

[deep kite]

🤡

[forest ridge]

[feral crater]

[toxic niche]

🤡 🤡

[tame pagoda]

💀

[rustic folio]

LMAOOOOOOOO, they really added patch notes for lynn and mo xuan

and the patch notes aren't even correct?

[rustic folio]

no mention of lynn awaken cd being changed from 1 min -> 2 min

and kanna once again not acknowledged

[toxic niche]

why people pay for maple con again

[dusty nymph]

🤡

[lyric otter]

they will cheer for inkwell during maple con too no worries bro

[small sparrow]

kanna isn't a clown nexon is

[scenic totem]

I think alot of the effort right now is probably in making sure the features they show at maplecon work properly so that they have a banger winter patch, but it definitely sucks seeing yall not get any updates or info on what's going on with Kanna lol

[toxic niche]

never trust nexon

[scenic totem]

Nah I'm not a doomer like that, i just think its unfortunate that u guys are being left in the dark because of how important this next update is for them

[dusk warren]

generational run by Nexon and the community managers since the go west announcements

[rustic folio]

Respectfully that's not even true, we have been like this every single patch. Always bugs and no comms, even on smaller updates

[dusk warren]

how are we lacking so much communication when we begged for more this entire year?

[small sparrow]

you know they could..... just come out and say that if that was the case. but you know its nexon

[scenic totem]

i mean i think the main cope left for kanna is that they're waiting for the rework rather than attempting to fix anything sadly, im just kinda including mx/lynn/kanna as one package

[scenic totem]

I agree with you LOL I dont wanna know what NDA/contract clauses they had to sign before taking up their jobs

[bronze panther]

HI Maplers,

We understand some of the concerns in regards to some changes that had been made to some skills of Mo Xuan and Lynn after the maintenance. We apologize for the delay and have updated the patch notes to reflect the changes that were implemented. Please review the changes here.
Thank you for your understanding. @warm veldt @placid cedar @wind surge

[molten jetty]

@warm veldt @radiant thicket @wind surge yall should be ashamed. When Calahan is out of office you guys should do better to cover for him. Shame on you guys. I hope he puts the 3 of you on a PIP when he’s back in office and your EOY reviews reflect your poor performances.

[peak hare]

imagine if they actually care

[toxic niche]

they dont give ashit to thier player

[vapid crow]

here's a new one

upon logging in Kanna, my Snake Acolyte permanent cash outfit item dissapeared

for fucks sake

@wind surge like honestly

[wet sparrow]

[sweet cape]

what a joke

clearly you have no plans to change it so why not just say its intended

people are gonna be mad either way why not make people less mad by at least communicating

also even with classes you didnt nerf 20FD why do you refuse to communcate about the issues (Mo Xuan). Literally game breaking issues for them and you guys dont seem to care at all

[upper thistle]

Apparently we not throwing up enough of a stink cuz they mention lynn and mo xuan and not even kanna

A random MAINTENANCE, not even a patch, takes away 20 fd and you guys don't have the mind to be like oh yeah thats a problem

I understand if the team is focused on maplecon, but that does not excuse leaving us in the dark ESPECIALLY after youll bother to do an announcement for other classes and not us. All of this especially right around a major boss release is deeply disappointing. You guys committed to doing better with that memo but I am NOT seeing it

[sweet steeple]

Pretty sure it isnt intended, they just fk up and decided to blame it on the players like they behaves every bug.

[dapper cedar]

uh... I marked this new post (https://discord.com/channels/309809230095843328/1425650766009466953) as a duplicate in my spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FvFoLup9yHHQ30R3I208GmzbC5bAAPJrvStqOUJsq_M/edit?usp=sharing)

I'm considering marking it as a duplicate of the "old thread" instead, though.

[sweet steeple]

Funny how Tako comments in Lynn and mo xuan but not in kannas

[radiant thicket]

We are still looking into this as well despite not commenting earlier 🫡

[raven ermine]

Thanks for the update. When can we expect a proper response on these issues?

[small sparrow]

when the rework drops

[sturdy pulsar]

i will say it again we aren't asking for root cause analysis we are asking for was this roadmapped or not

[timber nest]

https://tenor.com/view/intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-intergalactic-back-to-the-future-back-to-the-future-this-is-a-classic-gif-26804321

[opaque inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-ned-flanders-spin-hand-hurry-up-gif-6169662514848847293

[ionic bear]

Daily reminder for comms. ANY amount of comms. Intended, not intended, bugs, "oops we forgot to include these changes in the patch notes", or even a "oh sorry we're busy with making sure people didn't waste their money for maplecon, will reply later"

[small sparrow]

they can't cause of their NDA that probably says "you cannot say anything to the community unless it's approved by the tyrant overlord inkwell"

[ionic bear]

Oh I meant moreso from the Overlords, not the CMs

[placid cedar]

#announcements message

I understand the announcement may not include the type of details you were expecting, but I still wanted to post something to at least let you know that we are having this prioritized.

[swift socket]

yo calahan is back in office

[placid cedar]

Sorry for the long absence lol

[dusk warren]

thank you for your efforts

[scenic totem]

I'm not a Kanna main but I hope you're feeling better

Optics are a very important part of community management, so any comms is better than radio silence

thanks for the comms :)

[placid cedar]

My car, not so much, but I'm fine! TYTY

[bronze panther]

@placid cedar We appreciate the communication you have now provided, but we are also admittedly concerned at the lack of communication during your absence. Please consider this a request that the communication process be improved when you are absent. I understand that this may be beyond your control, but it would be appreciated if you could forward this request to the appropriate party(ies). Thank you for what you do.

[placid cedar]

I can definitely state as a fact that many communications have took place internally, but I agree that these were not visible within the community. I apologize for the concerns this created. While we are always trying our best to share anything we can, as soon as we can, I'll definitely keep this in mind and think about more ways to make things better 🙏

[bronze panther]

Thank you very much.

[remote sand]

Well, there's your confirmation that Kanna's changes are NOT intentional at least

[scenic totem]

Drak out here pacing back and forth for 3 hours in front of his bed waiting for mo xuan FD fixes to his core passive

[remote sand]

Dude at least Tako confirmed to us in the thread #1367560417613844632 earlier that he's reported the changes and bugs going on

[scenic totem]

True yeah I think MX will be ok

[remote sand]

so I have some form of communication finally

[scenic totem]

our client is literally the buggiest mess out of all the regions and its not remotely close

all good tho maple con gonna save us

[remote sand]

Oh they for sure have bugs far too often, to the point that even they noticed it and decided to open a testing server

lol

[honest quartz]

better (VERY) late than never...
ty anyways :>

[mental turret]

Thanks Tako and Calahan.
Even little updates are good comms

[timber nest]

They didnt mention this outright so I'm not so sure

[gusty trout]

Are we able to get comms regarding something being done to prevent this from happening. As a player it's clear balance changes in new patches aren't being reviewed and are copied from other versions. I understand this being overlooked once, but bad internal processes have this happening multiple times to reinstate fixes that have already been made

[fierce socket]

^ this happens literally every patch, some quality control would be nice

Thank you for ur hard work but please try to double check kanna it’s been happening for years at this rate

[lyric otter]

absolutely do not thank them lol

they are doing less than the minimum

if this was korea, people would be calling for their firings online and thats why they get what they want in KR

[dusky oyster]

yeah thanking for crumbs smh\

[fierce socket]

yeah honestly was tryna be nice but ur right lmao

[stark latch]

^ eh. Being rude to CMs isn't going to get us anything. Keep giving them 0/10s on the post game survey and stop buying NX until they get their shit together

Or better yet, take a break. So many better games to play anyway. Maybe they'll get a bit more serious about GMS in 2026

[chrome crow]

https://www.nexon.com/maplestory/news/general/29610/inkwell-s-note-post-stargazer-upcoming-plans

They have already mentioned they are considering introducing a public test server, v264 is scheduled to be a pretty massive update and the devs are understandibly very busy working on that content. It's frustrating losing so much damage to bugs, but change also doesn't come overnight I just wish the communication was more clear and they would have provided an official update on the changes much earlier

[molten jetty]

That sounds like so much copium, I’m not buying whatever you’re selling

[opaque inlet]

I just remembered, these 2 weeks that kanna got nerfed/bugged/whatever u call it, its also the two weeks that HBaldrix pass reward are valid for. Great 🙂 now what Nexon gonna do? lol nothing probably

[upper thistle]

Unironically need the random fd we lost for a smooth nbaldrix clear, and for whatever reason our boss event is a week shorter than kms

[tepid aspen]

And GMS still hasn’t turned on legion champ passive/active buffs for Baldrix ☠️. Basically if Kannas didn’t clear in the first week or week 2 Wednesday, there’s miniscule chance they can get the baldrix clear

[timber nest]

FIX MY BUBBLE I WANA FARM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[pearl steeple]

Where is the compensation for not being able to clear bosses

[void wraith]

almost 3 weeks without real news...

[mental turret]

I think the worst part is, by the time this is fixed
We‘ll just have another patch soon after where we break again

[gusty shell]

100% on purpose considering they were way quicker with fixing previous bugs

[molten jetty]

Surely we hear something this week right?

It’s been 3 business days since the announcement

@placid cedar welcome back, are we due for an update this week on these issues

[upper thistle]

cant farm cant boss class is bricked PLEASE fix us PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[honest quartz]

Nah, that's a lie. You can farm. You're just unable to lazy farm.

Only bossing and low energy farming were affected... which sucks, but it doesn't make the class unplayable.

I doubt they will fix anything before the octo fest end of the event...

[dapper olive]

Ita not unplayable but its a giant leap from gms to msea

[honest quartz]

those who min clear bosses were definitely affected by the fd loss...

in my case, ctene runs got extremely annoying, but not impossible

[royal pond]

day number 982374983274932 , we still waiting

[timber nest]

Official "updates" on the Kanna situation since octo patch: 1

Cash shop updates: 3

[pearl steeple]

3 limbo pieces and 3 baldrix pieces please thank you

[dapper olive]

2k frag inkwell gift please, thank you

[void wraith]

thats pretty fck up for those who were mincut bossing for eternal progresion on limbo/ckalos/hkailing

[timber nest]

I have not done limbo since the patch and honestly I almost stopped playing alltogether. Its a f****** bad joke at this point.

[sturdy pulsar]

💀

[lyric otter]

Insane clowns at Nexon tbh

[bronze panther]

@placid cedar Stakeholders again requesting a status update on this critical issue.

[buoyant pond]

#announcements

[timber nest]

FINALLY

[wet sparrow]

W

[raven ermine]

🙏 thank you for the update calahan

[opaque inlet]

Additional adjustments....

[radiant thicket]

More info as we get closer thanks for holdin' out y'all 🙇‍♀️

[barren anvil]

Thank you @placid cedar and @radiant thicket!!

[upper thistle]

Ty for the comms guys

[opaque inlet]

any solid confirmation which direction we're going towards or is that part of "more to come"?
Ie. follow the patch note or more changes to come based on the patchnotes prior?

[radiant thicket]

Updates will be made as information comes out from the maintenance post which will be reflected on the patch notes as they're made/updated

[lyric otter]

so Kannas get to suffer an extra 8 more days lol?

[mental turret]

Thank you 🫡

[dusky oyster]

Maplers love crumbs man

[eternal night]

So the wording isn't "Changes not in patch notes will be undone", but rather "Additional adjustments ... will be applied". We get to play a fun guessing game as to what direction these adjustments will take. And then maybe wait another week or two to see them reflected in the notes, just like MX and Lynn.

[lyric otter]

transparency btw, have to sign 5 NDAs per CM announcement btw

[pearl steeple]

Still gotta ask the magic 8 ball

[upper thistle]

"differ from the direction of kanna's previous design" implies we are returning to the previous design, but you're right that it's still unclear

[full sage]

"confusion caused by the insufficient announcement regarding Kanna's skill changes in the v.263 update" has got to be the biggest 🤡 excuse i've ever heard. janus is straight bugged there's no confusion there whatsoever. whats the compensation for being shafted this entire month?

[stark latch]

@placid cedar @radiant thicket I think the community is owed communication from exec that this won't happen for a 4th time at this point

[pearl steeple]

Back to 20 fd below WH

[haughty escarp]

So what we just chilling nerfed til 23rd

[sturdy pulsar]

yes

and playing roulette to see if the next patch does it again

[winter dock]

hopefully we roll +30 fd again -30 sucked

[toxic niche]

No

[timber nest]

oh boy ur gona get your heart broken buddy

[opal wedge]

Does regular level 24 domain still give 36% FD?

[versed igloo]

@placid cedar @radiant thicket
Gm and sorry for the ping
We saw the known issues about kanna u guys post but we will happy to understand what u going to do to the class and not guess and hope something will work every patch

Known Issues:

Kanna
We apologize for the confusion caused by the insufficient announcement regarding Kanna's skill changes in the v.263 update. After closely reviewing player feedback, we found that the recent skill changes differ from the direction of Kanna's previous design. Additional adjustments to Kanna's skill will be applied during the maintenance on October 23.

[eternal night]

Maintenance notes say

Resolved an issue where the Kanna skill 'Circle of Suppression' would deactivate after dealing damage.
But the Circle of Suppression deactivates immediately even if you turn it on in town, where there is no enemies to deal damage to.

Aside from that, they say nothing at all about "additional adjustments". Do we just wait for them to maybe show up in patch notes in a week or two?

[fierce socket]

So only circle is gonna be fixed?

[eternal night]

In other words, "after we find out what got copy pasted in this time"

[pearl steeple]

To translate:
"We will try copy-pasting again and it will be whatever it will be, we'll then update patch notes afterwards"

exactly kek

[eternal night]

Thanks for posting that, though. I totally missed that line, skipping right to the list of changes.

[silver flax]

10/23 patch notes sounds like almost nothing getting fixed at all

[pearl steeple]

"we don't want backlash before the maintenance so we wait with the announcement until after"

[silver flax]

They screw the whole class and call it "insufficent announcement regarding skill changes" as if the things they do were intended, smh

[timber nest]

lmfao we're so cooked

[lyric otter]

They are only updating after because they have no idea what will work from the fix, they have things prepared, and will select and cut when they fuck up. Best company

[chrome crow]

It is for sure a backlash management thing I feel like

[stark latch]

Can we just start GMS Kanna V263.3 thread now lol

[silver flax]

Just waiting for the TMS revamp at this point, no hopes in anything else

[small sparrow]

what are these changes seriously 😂

[timber nest]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[sour root]

what does changing the cooldown of yuki even do

[timber nest]

what the fuck are they thinking

[wraith zinc]

bro like what the hell

[eternal night]

"We have no idea what Kanna is supposed to be, but here, take a few buffs to tide you over until Terry finishes cooking."

[wraith zinc]

they havent fixed any issue

@placid cedar @radiant thicket can u guys react to this fiesta? spirit path hasnt been fixed domain still 21% less FD like wtf is happening

why cant we have any transperncy

[timber nest]

those were changed (nerfed) but we have NO COMUNICATION ABOUT IT at all, STILL TO THIS DAY

[wicked gazelle]

w changes ty inkwell

[timber nest]

wheres our 31% final damage

domain 36 -> 15
spirit path 30 -> 20

31% final damage on burst that is just gone

without ANY COMMUNICATION

THERE'S NO PATCH NOTE, NO MAINTENANCE, NOTHING that mentions these changes

[silver flax]

because they werent intentional and they are just going with it

[timber nest]

this cant be real

its some alternate reality

[silver flax]

cant say i am surprised really, just another nexon L, communication is bad, dev is worse

[wraith zinc]

@silver flax its like going into a surgery for a nose job and suddenly they chop your hand and hope u didnt notice it

[sweet cape]

Who cares about the damage issues they didn't actually do anything about the communication

Or the update/patch quality they put out for the class

[left cradle]

they literally said this patch they would introduce kanna changes to address concerns from the last set of changes and now they have done just that. obviously they should explain what was done and why, and the reasoning for decisions made, but crashing out in the way that some ppl are here is mental

atp these are concerns for balancing, not bug reports

[wraith zinc]

@left cradle bro what are u on about? we waited 1 month just to get spit in our face

[eager flare]

drogon the goat data analyst has spoken

[small sparrow]

https://discord.com/channels/309809230095843328/1430977581318144051

[left cradle]

im just saying this is no longer a concern about bugs, but of communication and class balancing

[crystal prawn]

No mention that the changes they made to other skills, or acknowledgment to those changes means it was unintended and should be considered a bug so far, until they communicate otherwise

[left cradle]

actual bugs that need to be fixed, sucks they didnt implement this correctly

[silver flax]

Sure if you want to pretend that this "balance" was intentional and not another MapleSEA copy-paste mess like they are trying to push

[small sparrow]

are we even surprised

[left cradle]

not particularly

[sweet cape]

While I agree with you I'm not gonna act like only kannas new doing it

[eternal night]

Any unannounced change is a bug until proven otherwise.

[left cradle]

30% of this game is a bug then bc the patch notes are always missing things / incorrect

but sure

[sweet cape]

Abyssal while I don't particularly care if he's right or wrong (i agree with him generally) has been doing this forever and then acts like some maytr in the twins discord when he rage baits low hanging fruit in this thread

[pearl steeple]

Stargazer was last update to domain and spirit path officially

[sweet cape]

And I'm not sure but didn't u also comment on lynm balance in lynn thread or was that actually bug discussion

[bright fossil]

Can anyone send SS of the kanna's hyper skills?

[left cradle]

lynn we have no idea whats going on, seems intentional bc they got the passive fd buff in exchange for longer awaken cd. all i said was if you revert one u need to revert both

[sweet cape]

I more so.mean was one in patch notes

And one not

If 60s cd wasn't and the other waa

It's a bug and the other isn't so your bringing up balance now

[left cradle]

the patch notes are never correct

for many things

never a source of truth

[sweet cape]

I'm not saying u can't discuss it but I'm just tired of people acting like kannas are some outlier

[left cradle]

only source of truth is in game

and it sucks that this game has trash patch notes and comms

but lets not pretend that the patch notes are some gold standard and anything not mentioned must be a bug

[plush nimbus]

Arent all of the undocumented nerfs everything msea has tho

[upper thistle]

Half of the stuff changed on the maint before last was unannounced/ undocumented. It was a minor patch/ maint and nothing nowhere has said anything about losing 10 fd on spirits path or any of our values being reverted to the msea ones. Call it a bug, call it balancing, I don't care, but this class has been mistreated for far too long and deserves some transparency and a single patch to land correctly.

[plush nimbus]

And just before they copy pasted msea over

[sweet cape]

Especially when you guys go out of your way to ragebait the obvious emotionally charged and then giggle in twins discord acting like some hero

[silver flax]

YES

[silver flax]

they trying to hide this so hard

[left cradle]

copy paste from msea/tms yes, but then the presumption there is that thats a bug and not intended

[plush nimbus]

So it's pretty disingenuous to say that it's a nerf and not another copy paste

[left cradle]

which is what i take issue with

[silver flax]

you are a walking bad take at this point from all the msgs i read from you

sounds like a chill

[plush nimbus]

But that is the point no? The fact that it's a copy paste which makes it not intended with what is suppose to be

Which would categorize it as a bug

[left cradle]

and then this patch they said they would address the concerrns

and did what they did here

[sweet cape]

Yeah that's my issue

Nothing was addressed

[left cradle]

is that not an indication that that is not a bug then

[timber nest]

should we just accept these undocumented changes, if not, where should we post them then?

if not on the buggs forum

[left cradle]

you guys 1000% should be demanding for explanations / context

[sweet cape]

It's like thr legion champ being a bug

[plush nimbus]

No not necessarily because we already know they can't make announcements correctly

[left cradle]

calling everything you didnt get a bug is crazy lol

[silver flax]

Thats exactly what this forum is for

[hardy anvil]

🤔 Issues are being forwarded

[timber nest]

give us another option

[hardy anvil]

How are you guys doing?

[plush nimbus]

They categorized legion champ not in baldrix as a bug

[timber nest]

maybe make a subdiscord channel for undocumented changes

[sweet cape]

How can you argue unlisted changes are not a bug

[plush nimbus]

But it clearly is not a bug right, it's just copy pasted over

[timber nest]

so we can maybe make your wish come true and not talk here about them instead

??? lmao

[hardy anvil]

waves hand Hello!

[sweet cape]

We don't know either way

[plush nimbus]

But it's just easy to say it's a bug > our bad, we fix

[sweet cape]

And if.it was intended it should.be in notes or added after

They never added them after like they do for other unlisted stuff

[winter dock]

class changing skill updates should be added reguardless no?

[sweet cape]

I guess.im not trying to say your wrong but giving nexon the excuse

Seems like a bad motive

[hardy anvil]

I was going to do my Extradimensional Haunted Mansion run but you guys are priority atm

Hugs

[gentle sentinel]

the people are screaming

understandably so

[upper thistle]

They need to say something or kannas will continue being fed up/ pissed off like 90% of this could have been avoided by just being like oh yeah we think kanna is too strong right now so we are nerfing these skills so it will be in line with the other classes

That would solve 90% of this bickering.

Does not change that it doesn't feel good to get balance passes and random changes in whats supposed to be a maintenance then get next to no communication, vague patch notes, and fixes that do nothing to treat the larger issue

[gusty trout]

What are the odds these new balance changes get removed when they copy paste next patch

[silver flax]

100% at this point

[hardy anvil]

I'm at least glad they're willing to issue changes without making everyone wait an entire month. Communication on all fronts needs improvements.

[plush nimbus]

Them saying "we have adjusted skills to improve gameplay" when it was already documented changes already shows that they have no clue what they're looking at no?

[sweet cape]

Didn't we wait a month

[hardy anvil]

Some changes being "wait until the next major update" is like... ouch.

[plush nimbus]

Like the vanq change

[sweet cape]

Or close to.it

[left cradle]

we're pretty much reaching the same conclusion. imo its unhelpful to just call everything a bug when in fact there are actual bugs gobyu is documenting with stuff literally not working correctly, and so there should be separate threads, 1 for bugfixes and 1 demanding comms, not just blindly labelling everything as a bug when in fact theres evidence to the contrary at this point

[plush nimbus]

It was 50s , copy pasted to 60 , then said we changed it to 50 for gameplay QOL as if it was a completely new change

[wicked gazelle]

w drogon

[timber nest]

it's been exactly 1 month since domain and spirit path UNDOCUMENTED changes happened, and we have no mention of it anywhere, not even today

[left cradle]

u should chill btw

[wicked gazelle]

? all i said was w

LOL

[left cradle]

they have valid reaasons for being angry w/ these negative comms

[silver flax]

ITS BEEN an entire month, and for this?

[hardy anvil]

I think you understand my meaning though.

[swift socket]

What? It has been a month, during a period of exclusive rewards for clearing a new boss, on top of that

[wicked gazelle]

lemme quote someone

[upper thistle]

Atp i dont think they know what they're doing or how each little change will mess with kanna. I'm sure its tangled in legacy and cross region code and kanna has many interdependences, I won't lie that's difficult for defs to get right. But that doesn't change that it's been impacting balance and game experience for like a month now atp

[silver flax]

I do not understand, sorry, i am not glad at all with how things were done for Kanna the last patches

[left cradle]

all that the CMs need to do is say this if thats the case, yes

[silver flax]

if the changes were intended they should have been in patch notes since day 1, this is not the case, if it was the topic of discussion would be very different

[sweet cape]

Yeah I think we both think they are intended.balancing but I just think we jsut don't call them bugs it just gives nexon a pass on giga lazy updates and patch notes

[silver flax]

there are changes still not in the patch notes to this day

[timber nest]

we call them bugs because there's no other option

[sweet cape]

But I guess no perfect solution

Getting wildly mad about not being top 1 damage is dumb I agree on that

[hollow moat]

is domain full charge is 160?

[left cradle]

again the patch notes are terrible and frequently not correct. this is not a kanna specific problem. But at this point, team GMS 1000% needs to put out a maple memo on the topic non KMS classes especially kanna

[small sparrow]

vanq and tengu bugs are fake i accidentally tested with fatal on

[hollow moat]

i knew that pre patch is 80

[silver flax]

the patch notes being bad is not a acceptable justificative for unprofessionalism

[wicked gazelle]

it's gms unprofessionalism is literally rooted in its core

[sweet cape]

Also I think another issue is how they balanced the class just straight up -25+ fd is never good

[left cradle]

i agree but gms has been terrible at this for 10+ years and i dont think its healthy to expect them to improve ever 💀

really does suck

[sweet cape]

Vs like maybe 10fd and then reeling in future buffs

Actually ignore that not relevant for thread

[timber nest]

I wonder how other classes would react to losing 31% fd on burst without having it mentioned anywhere, would they not make a bug-reports post?

[sweet cape]

Also it's not.like this is.suddenly an issue recently

We had patch notes once copied and pasted from a previous patch we already got

But I will say overall the quality of notes for the rest of the game.seemed to tank as well

Even though we have more CMs than ever

[left cradle]

it all started w/ go west

[hollow moat]

@radiant thicket , @placid cedar PLASE REPORT THIS TO DIRECTOR

[left cradle]

the recent massive downturn in quality

[dapper cedar]

is that in the kanna server?

[south horizon]

He posted a bug post here but later realized it was fatal strike proc difference so not a bug

[crystal prawn]

One thing that still ticks me off, the text for sengoku forces still displaying the previous skill text and not updated one.

[dapper cedar]

Abyssal? Who's that?

[pearl steeple]

tecatris

[upper thistle]

Gang do i just mainswap 🥀

[gentle sentinel]

yes

[hollow moat]

I will play len untill revamp

[silver flax]

Lets just quit at this point

lmao

[sweet cape]

Full disclosure peope kept @ing him in kanna discord so I'm not trying to flame.him for that, completely not on him

[upper thistle]

These the kind of updates that make me lose faith in nexon and question why I ever give them my money

[sweet cape]

I feel sorry for all the reg server kannas who invest in their characters

[upper thistle]

Actual investment not just in events but in gear

[dapper cedar]

the maplestory website bugs forum

[sweet cape]

Yeah and then nexon does shit like this

[toxic niche]

some one go maplecon ask inkwell for this bullshit

[timber nest]

who the hell uses the forum lmao

i bet CMs listen to discord more than that

[sweet cape]

Also it's like how does this class have so many bugs every patch even if they are or not communicated

It's like a new bug report thread with over 50 replies is expected for.this class after every patch

[upper thistle]

Id wager legacy code, kit interdependencies and cross region code all play a big part

But doesnt excuse any of this

[swift socket]

maybe gms just doesn't have a git repository so they just overwrite all the files they get from msea

[sweet cape]

Yeah I guess I meant that there are even more issues with the class more than damage debate and bad comms

Rip Tb seawave

I swear I've seen that thread for as long as I've made/seen kanna threads

[thorny chasm]

Sea wave canonically will never be fixed

[opaque inlet]

do they just not read these posts?

[dapper cedar]

@wicked gazelle? Why?

[silver flax]

they just want Kanna players to shut up untill TMS revamp, i dont think they will do much beyond minimum till then
that and for sure we will keep getting new bugs every patch...

[dapper cedar]

also, this is soon going to be in the megathread category

[wicked gazelle]

?

[toxic niche]

nah

[eternal night]

Calahan said they read everything in the bug reports section and "do not doubt it".

[versed igloo]

@radiant thicket @placid cedar ty guys on 0 listen to the community

[toxic niche]

but still fk up so doubt them guys

[dapper cedar]

I read everything in here, but it takes a significant amount of time, so I do doubt it

[pearl steeple]

Clearly didn't read the bug report

[eternal night]

He did not say he (or the team) reads every comment line in threads like these that devolve into flamewars.

[silver flax]

They dont care, the new narrative they are trying to push is that the MapleSEA copy-paste bugs are just not reported "balancing changes"

they will just go with that

[eternal night]

They might have read the bug report, but the devs are too busy with Inkwell-knows-what and didn't bother tracking down what broke last patch. Just changed a few numbers and "this should hold them."

[silver flax]

busy with maple classic, cant even maintain modern maple

[eternal night]

They're not, though. They didn't say anything like that. In fact, they admitted the changes "differ from the direction of Kanna's previous design", and promised to fix that.

[opaque inlet]

maybe they need a tldr instead of going thru our comments

[timber nest]

then they did nothing today xD

so the previous design is 10% extra boss damage? lmao

[opaque inlet]

@placid cedar want tldr to how to change things :)?

[silver flax]

right? a lot of skill changes still not even mentioned by them

[placid cedar]

I'm here reading

[opaque inlet]

cool, 2 major things: this is supposed to say 30% fd

and this

Changed where the final damage increase effect from summoned spirit applies to only apply to your character.
Increased the Final Damage from 15% to 36%.
Increased the Summoned Spirit Damage by approximately 20%. Not applied.
Increased the number of attacks from 3 to 9.
Decreased the cooldown from 196 seconds to 176 seconds.
Decreased the skill duration from 75 seconds to 60 seconds. 64s duration at level 30.
Decreased the mana absorbed to empower the Cursed Spiritstone from 120 to 100.

[placid cedar]

I unfortunately don't have anything I can further deliver at this moment, so instead I am trying my best to gather. Not just the suggestions/feedback about the current state of Kanna, but the overall sentiment.

[silver flax]

We want consistency. we dont want to be broken every patch

[eternal night]

Tell your bosses the players Are Not Amused

[opaque inlet]

welp, i think because the anticipation was very high for Kanna to be reverted, things just didnt happen

no patchnotes to reflect CHANGES

[pearl steeple]

If you read this as a suggestion and want to implement the current version then please rely this in the patch notes, that's what they are for.

[opaque inlet]

if we're getting nerfed, let us know

if we're getting reverted, the OP has everything shown

[hollow moat]

plz give

Developler comment

[acoustic elm]

not a kanna main, but oof

[opaque inlet]

we got cooked for the HBaldrix clears/rewards because of this

i mean, screw compensation, we want our class working as "intended"

just let us know plz

[silver flax]

On point

[upper thistle]

Kanna does not feel good to play when its changes differ so wildly from patch to patch. This is legitimately the only live service game I have ever had this kind of inconsistency around bugs and balancing.

It's frustrating enough to want to quit my favorite class that I have poured hours into almost entirely

[pearl steeple]

I wanna be able to go to the patch notes and read the changes to the class.

What i don't want to be doing is spend the next 6 hours after a new patch with 42 mathematicians in a Discord call compiling a list of values that are either supposed to be changed but have not, have changed randomly without notice or are just completely bugged alltogether.

[eternal night]

Mathematicians and data miners...

[plush nimbus]

Don't care if this is how it's intended to be, just want to know if these undocumented copy pasted changes are /were intended

[opaque inlet]

Suggestion: communication for changes
Feedback: revert us back to GMS kanna with 30% FD on Spirit Path and 36% FD on Domain (not MapleSEA)
Sentiment: All Kanna mains are disappointed still, and once again the promised changes are not the direction. We want fix/revert/GMS Kanna.

[plush nimbus]

It cannot be very difficult to put out a statement whether or not the copy pasted changes were intended or not.

[eternal night]

What if they say "We can fully revert it, but then you also lose the 2 minute changes. Deal?"

[opaque inlet]

We're alrdy not getting any headsup for buff/nerf/changes because we're not KMS class. Our patch SHOULD be reflective of in game stats. It is not right now.

[sweet cape]

I want to say I don't particularly care to have the changes reverted as we will just get nerfed anyways but i want to echo the issues of communication at least acknowledge these are intended

[silver flax]

Thats beyond the point to be honest, and even if they revert everything, we players are still bummed with how things have been managed.

It will take time to regain trust after all the mess that have been happening for months

[opaque inlet]

^ i think its part of the problem no? No communications <-> bad changes. It goes hand in hand. Because we have these "nerfs" thus is why there is no communication

[left cradle]

You guys need to explain the developer logic for leaving the class by far the weakest in the game for the first half of 2025, then buffing it to be by far the strongest class (excluding the abomination that is Lynn) for a few patches, then porting MapleSea Kanna over which was a substantial nerf (not necessarily completely unwarranted, but with zero communication), and now to todays changes.

Keeping the class trash or extremely overpowered is not good for the game.
Yo-yoing the state of the class is not good for the game.

Ppl want stability and communication, both of which Kanna players have seen none of.

[sharp merlin]

We Kanna players want to be respected like all other classes, every update has had some bug for years, I've been playing with the class for about 7 years and I can't remember times when there were no bugs or balance issues.

[upper thistle]

put the class change coupon in the bag

[sweet cape]

Worded my.reply poorly and edited it wasn't trying to.knock your concerns just wanted to echo your communication point but saying I don't think the issues have to be inseparable

[opaque inlet]

its definitely the one and same problem

[sweet cape]

As nexon prob wouldn't want to make.kanna overly strong

But they can do.that but.still communicate

[opaque inlet]

fix communication by aligning patchnotes with game

[tidal flame]

remove class let kanna jobchange

🫡

[sweet cape]

Yeah that's an.option but I don't think it's a viable option as nice as it would be

[silver flax]

This is like the bare minimum to a game company

[sweet cape]

Kanna would just be op again the community would have a breakdown again

[opaque inlet]

@placid cedar btw hope you're still reading, but this is in a nutshell what we want, to be respected as players

[silver flax]

Leave the jokes for in game megaphones or something like that, we are already pretty frustated with all of this

[sweet cape]

And we would.get nerfed

[placid cedar]

I have a separate monitor just for discord

[opaque inlet]

but yea i think we noted how the community felt, and hopefully you have the stat changes were noted

[placid cedar]

I’m not glued to Discord 24/7 since I have to jump back and forth with other works too but I always try to read everything

[opaque inlet]

cool

thanks

hopefully there will be an announcement to reflect either changes in game to patchnotes, or patchnotes to game

[placid cedar]

Thanks everyone. I’m not satisfied with the answers I am able to give you but I’ll continue to collect and relay as much as I can

[opaque inlet]

thanks guys

[radiant thicket]

As Calahan said we'll be doing our best to do as much as we can

[stark latch]

I know this is not your fault, but posting nonsensical changes after the patch was a pretty big slap in the face

[sweet cape]

I don't mean to be rude but I just want to restate how many times we've heard they will be addressed

[opaque inlet]

our kanna community is on suicide watch (joking, but not rly)

[sweet cape]

And like.announcments made but still no comms about the issues were given (even like previous changes are intended or.old.notes having an.update added)

[silver flax]

Its like a dejavu

Not much we can do but wait and see

[pearl steeple]

Those changes were just a giant f* you to the players imo, couldn't have been any more rude then to specifically wait until after the patch.

[hollow moat]

plz solve this problem as soon as possible

[opaque inlet]

if only you knew how my guildies reacted and laughed at me for still playing this class

and i play reg.

[sweet cape]

Like when you guys refuse to either add stuff to known issues if its unintended or add an updated patch note line it's intended it makes it very confusing for the players

[ionic bear]

Thank you, Calahan, for actively communicating with us, as it seems you are the only one capable of doing so. We appreciate the time you take to read our comments and respond back. Hope all is well, and may we one day be able to receive the 1/10th of the communication from the devs and Nexon as we do you.

[silver flax]

Toxic behavior, but not surprised, half of the game community only cares about their classes as if the game is a class competition

[wicked gazelle]

All you have to do is communicate whether or not the nerfs were intended

[opaque inlet]

and give me my hbaldrix rewards

😄

[silver flax]

We deserve AT LEAST a public apology because of the missed oportunity on participating on this event

Because they messed up

[pearl steeple]

I expect Inkwell to do some thank you squats at Maplefest this saturday

[raven ermine]

@placid cedar thanks once again for being transparent that you are reading. I think you can see that the community is feeling quite frustrated about the way that these kanna changes have been handled. We got on game one day to find domain nerfed, then a maintenance happened and we got even more ninja nerfs. We’ve waited over a month to have any thing done to fix our kit. Finally, we get VERY cryptic announcements that we’d get some of the changes reverted. Maint notes not even updated till after maint was done. This does not show urgency nor transparency.

The communication on the kanna class since 2 min (and other non kms classes) is full lackluster and is honestly quite disrespectful to your player base. While I understand it is not fully in your control, I just hope that you can understand why we are annoyed. It’s not the actual nerfs itself, but the way that it’s been brought about. To this very moment we’re still arguing if it’s a bug or if it’s intended because we have not been informed if it is or not. I implore you to please just ask whoever is responsible to just release a statement on whether this is intended or not. Cause this back and forth dilly dallying is just not great.

[opaque inlet]

Please forward these concerns to head of the related dept (idk what dept ya'll got)

[grim night]

They straight up ignored Spirit Path and Domain’s lost fd, why do the devs hate Kanna

[silver flax]

They are as lost as us

[timber nest]

submit tickets

https://support-maplestory.nexon.com/

[eternal night]

Tickets are pointless. You'll just get the form-letter saying "multiple teams working on this... keep an eye on the website for announcements ... I'll be closing this ticket now"

Trust Calahan that he will pass on the complaints.
Don't realistically expect anything other than for the nerfs to be properly documented in the patch notes.

[timber nest]

well clearly posting here works very well, right?

just submited a ticket and they said
"I've passed your feedback about the undocumented changes in the Domain and Spirit Path skills to our game team to look into further."

at least someone at nexon wrote "undocumented changes"

[eternal night]

Because that's what you titled your ticket, I assume

[timber nest]

the names were in the title but they didnt have "skills" after their names

ill take that

[eternal night]

Meanwhile I'm waiting for people to run some BA's and see where things stand after these random buffs and cooldown reductions.

[dapper cedar]

even that kind of expectation is optimistic

[eternal night]

The patch notes are the community team's responsibility, so that's something Calahan should be able to affect.
Unlike undoing in-game nerfs.

[wet sparrow]

W?

[fierce socket]

Man I wish I got paid at my job for doing nothing

[lyric otter]

Looks like what everyone expected happened

they probably give a random dev on the floor the work and dont actually have a team GMS team that is fully acquainted with the special details our version has

if they did have a special team, this would never happen as the team would be made aware of all the special stuff going on and work not to make a simple mistake that is copypasting an entire different versions stuff

anyways hope Kanna players like waiting another 3 weeks for anything

[upper thistle]

bold of you to assume anything is getting fixed in three weeks

gonna just play another class where i dont have to worry about this anymore lol

[lyric otter]

its so funny how they said they would hire people for Team GMS but ever since the Team GMS announcement, headcount at Nexon America keeps going down xddd

according to investor relations

i bet those positions are still open

yeah playing non-KMS jobs is suicide these days

[plush nimbus]

Time to move on!
I wouldn't be surprised if domain went back to 196 s and there was nothing said about it

[silver flax]

Better than last week
Worse than before september 23

[misty nest]

Still no comms on shadow nerfs to domain, spirit path, and doppel lines that came with 2m patch an entire month ago?

[silver flax]

Nothing

But dont worry, people are already thanking the CMs for "reading our messages" like it was a sacrifice

[lyric otter]

Yeah CMs doing the bare minimum and being thanked is always so damn funny

[haughty escarp]

Wtf is this sudden nerf again? Freaking no communication just bugged then sudden nerf patch

As if our class is unbalanced strong without bug

[bronze panther]

@placid cedar Please escalate with the highest priority a request for communication from the appropriate team regarding the outstanding, major issues with the changes to Kanna.

I began playing this game because I love this class. I've continued playing this game because I love this class. But since we have repeatedly had very poorly-managed changes and a lack of communication* surrounding these issues, I find it more difficult day by day to even want to play the MapleStory. Players, paying customers, deserve communication, transparency, and rectification when things go wrong. The way this has been handled is disgraceful. It's been a month. Whatever levers you can pull to bring attention to this, please pull them. Thank you for your service.

*: I understand communication can not be an open book on your part as a requisite of your position. Please do not misunderstand this as taking a jab at you or any other CMs.

[toxic niche]

some one go to maple con ask inkwell for this madness

[royal pond]

I think we're waiting with high expectations. They'll just send a standard "we'll review it with the team" message. I've sent a ticket and haven't received a response yet. In fact, I've even updated it with more information and still haven't received anything zzzzz

[half garnet]

need someone go to maple con ask inkwell about this issue and moxuan’s issue

[dapper cedar]

need someone to recite the list of 200+ current bugs in the spreadsheet there

[silver flax]

From a recent reddit post by u/Sighnos (https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/1ofdtx3/gms_kanna_makes_absolutely_no_sense_whatsoever/), for visibility:

"v260
In v260, several GMS Kanna skills were changed (IMPORTANT: THIS WAS ONLY FOR GMS AND NOT FOR ANY OTHER SERVERS WHERE KANNA IS PLAYABLE):

Vanquisher’s Charm

Decreased the amount of mana consumed per second from 40 to 25.

Decreased the cooldown from 60 seconds to 50 seconds.

Spirit’s Domain

Increased the Final Damage from 15% to 36%.

Increased the Summoned Spirit Damage by approximately 20%. (never actually applied)

Yuki-musume Shoukan

Decreased the cooldown from 75 seconds to 60 seconds. 55s at level 30.

Spirit’s Path

Increased the Final Damage at Lv. 10 from 20% to 30%.

v261
In v261, GMS Kanna received M3M4 with these numbers:

Tengu Strike: 780%

Yosuzume: 480%

Shikigami Doppelganger: 15 lines

Kishin: 6 lines

also:

Spirit's Domain final damage buff: reverted to pre-v260 values (36% to 15%)

v261.2.0
Resolved an issue where Kanna's skill Spirit's Domain Boost was providing the incorrect amount of Final Damage.

CONFIRMED TO BE INCORRECT!!

v263:
Spirit's Domain final damage buff: reverted to pre-v260 values (36% to 15%)

DEJA VU ANYONE?????????

Vanquisher's Charm cooldown and mana cost: reverted to pre-v260 values (50s/25 mana to 60s/40 mana)

Spirit Path final damage passive: reverted to pre-v260 values (30% to 20%)...

Yuki-musume Shoukan cooldown: reverted to pre-v260 values (55s to 60s at level 30)

Was presumed to be a bug as this happened to Spirit's Domain in v262 as well and wasn't mentioned in the patch notes.

v263.2.0:
Tengu Strike damage%: changed to MapleSEA values (780% to 570%)

Yosuzume damage%: changed to MapleSEA values (480% to 330%)

Shikigami Doppelganger lines: changed to MapleSEA values (15 to 8)

Kishin lines: changed to MapleSEA values (4 to 6)

Bellflower Barrier - Boss Rush boss damage buff: changed to MapleSEA values (20% to 10%)

We do not know if intended or not and was never mentioned in the patch notes.

v263.3.0:
Spirit's Domain summon damage%: increased (500 to 600) (this is just the 20% damage increase that we were supposed to get from v260)

Vanquisher's Charm cooldown: reverted to v260 values (60s to 50s)

Yuki-musume Shoukan cooldown: reverted to v260 values (60s to 55s)

Bellflower Barrier - Boss Rush boss damage buff: reverted to pre-v263.2.0 values (10% to 20%)

HEXA Tengu Strike damage%: increased (570% to 720%)

Okay so Kanna got 2 waves of random undocumented changes that were never on the patch notes in v263 and v263.2.0. Then, v263.3.0 reverted a few of those changes (vanquisher, yuki, bellflower) that I guess were unintended. But then also changed HEXA Tengu Strike to a never before seen value?

So instead of bringing back the GMS specific changes in Spirit's Domain and Spirit Path (WHICH WE KNOW ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY BECAUSE WHEN IT BUGGED IN V261, THEY FIXED IT!) they change HEXA Tengu Strike's damage% randomly...

This whole debacle just proves that GMS is absolutely not competent enough to have their own balance decisions when it comes to class balance. Also, can't wait for HEXA Tengu Strike damage to be reverted once again next patch."

Thanks to u/Sighnos for compiling this for us

[royal pond]

Guys, the support team responded to my ticket saying that we should also post the complaint on the official forums and in the feedback and suggestions subforum. Does anyone know if there's already a thread posted there?

[lyric otter]

i dont think Nexon even reads their official forums

[eternal night]

That Player Support response is very very outdated.

The CMs follow this Discord much more closely than the forums. And of course more players are here to upvote whatever suggestion.

[broken lake]

Undocumented nerfs are par for the course with Kanna. Exo weaving anyone? Never did get any response on that one.

[timber nest]

reminder: Nexon did not comment on these changes still to this day:
Dopple line changes,
Spirits path FD changes,
Domain FD changes,
Vanq mana cost,
Shiki mana regen

[void wraith]

hope they do something, has been almost 1 month of screwd bossing runs. Im almost being carried from guys who has much less stars/pots/pitcheds/eternals... if this continues im gonna quit playing

[toxic niche]

Number tip 1 dont hope in nexon
Tip 2 dont trust nexon

[mental turret]

Bump for update from CMs.
Why can’t the devs just mention if the changes were a mistake or not

[lyric otter]

because admitting a mistake is incredibly fucking difficult for a company

[toxic niche]

and then they tell us intended

[eternal night]

Nah, they don't say anything. After a few months you're supposed to figure out for yourself that it's intended. Or that even if it wasn't originally intended, they won't spare the dev time to fix it, when there's a full revamp on the horizon anyway.

[upper thistle]

gonna be waiting til late 2026 at this rate though

[royal pond]

and they won't do anything, they'll just wait for people to stop talking about the problem and that's it xd

[finite vapor]

Is it me or Exo does not give superstance for its full animation now?

[wraith zinc]

It feel like cms forgot about us.

[opaque inlet]

@placid cedar I think you wanted to know what the community had thought? Just read up from this message in the past few days. How is it that we're still not receiving ANYTHING in regards to the FD changes, we spent time, effort, and money and this is the support from devs?

[opaque inlet]

In the last week or so, as least for myself, I had 0 motivation to log on or do anything on Maple cuz of this. Can we put some effort on this @placid cedar @warm veldt ? It aint that hard to change these things.

[opaque inlet]

This is literally story of my life being at 1b cp getting carryed by 700m Lynn. It's laughable

[royal pond]

The same thing has happened to me. These last two months I've invested in increasing damage on my Kanna, and I feel like I haven't made any progress. Total demotivation :x

[bronze panther]

@placid cedar , etc.

[glacial lodge]

hi pounding

As an actual note, I do agree that the bugs should be fixed but idt spamming pinging them is going to do anything

[misty nest]

Feels kinda odd hearing that, given that the pinging is done in response to things the party being pinged were unaware of and didn’t intend to be pushed to live, no? Seems like its pretty fair since support tickets are ai copy paste slop, where you could wait weeks to even get a bot response. This method of interaction is here for a reason, and would be (presumably) real quiet if the issues didn’t exist, no?

[opaque inlet]

Calahan's activity yesterday: Post news on how they F-ed Maple con, then Replies to Hard Baldrix saying sry for the wait....and nothing here.

My thoughts? He cant say anything since dev team isn't giving him anything

poor guy and f the tech team man

[grim night]

Dev team probably busy with the 11/12 update coming 😭, Kanna prob isn’t getting fixed till remaster

[wet sparrow]

we'll probably get even more insane bugs after the 11/12 update

[toxic niche]

fr fr

[wet sparrow]

[sturdy pulsar]

No ascent 💀

Not only do Kannas get to be a bottom 10 class, they also do not get the ascent skill

[pearl steeple]

we only get ass scent

[toxic niche]

We got bullet in the ass

[grim night]

Can get get 36% fd domain back if we aren’t getting ascent

[silver flax]

Should be getting it back regardless unless they can explain why they gave it, removed it incorrectly, gave it back again, and then removed it again back to back to back

[chrome crow]

Still wondering if we are gonna get word on the other skill changes ever

[near jackal]

scams similar to how spawn enhancers allegedly affected server lag. disgusting communication as per usual

[royal pond]

The saddest thing is seeing that this bug report has the most interactions and reactions, and yet they still ignore it xddd

[haughty escarp]

Have we had a cm update post the announcements of the yolo change

[timber nest]

BUMP

[shut falcon]

@wind surge @placid cedar just pinging for visibility. Thank you for your hard work ❤️ hoping we get good news as part of the patch next Wednesday

[silver flax]

Thank you for hard work kek

[lyric otter]

Hard work is sipping 3 lattes and moving your mouse once every 2 minutes so the software doesnt send a notif to your boss

[silver flax]

You forgot typing "We'll be doing our best to do as much as possible" once a week and being thanked for that

[raven ermine]

So are we getting any updates or do they expect us to just forget about what happened ??

[wet sparrow]

Don't worry

we're getting more bugs next week

[toxic niche]

we goonna get shadown nerf when game offline

[lyric otter]

their current mandate is to delay answers as long as possible while they work on the rework

dont expect anything, honestly kannas might not get a single reply from this point

[opaque inlet]

Taking bets on how long theyll reply. React for the number of weeks

[mental turret]

Bump again…
Because you guys should’ve said something by now. It’s been 1 whole patch update

[toxic niche]

This pls

Let make a bet guys
1 they will tell us to fk off and play
2 they fix some think

[eternal night]

Q: How many hardware engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. We'll work around it in software.

Q: How many software engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. We'll document the darkness.

Q: How many tech writers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: None. The users can see for themselves that it's dark.

[eternal night]

I think it's clear by now that the darkness is here to stay.
Just have to hope Terry brings new light, sooner rather than later.

[upper thistle]

option 3: silence

[timber nest]

😵‍💫

[lyric otter]

they will still not comment

[stark latch]

Can we just get a class change ticket at this point @radiant thicket @quartz snow

[royal pond]

x2

[wicked gazelle]

Change kannas to hayatos fr

[void wraith]

and then erase both... worst playing experience ever

[silver flax]

Guys its my turn to thank the CMs for their amazing job when they comment that they are reading and "taking our concerns seriously" again

[toxic niche]

Classic

[silver flax]

No mentions about kanna on the patch notes at all, anyone surprised?

[toxic niche]

We all know this gonna happent

[shut falcon]

@wind surge @placid cedar ????

[sour root]

[shut falcon]

My expectations were low but ZERO comms??

[sour root]

my kanna mule stays dormant for yet another month

[royal pond]

The cycle repeats: no announcement / we open a ticket / they tell us they'll take our comments into account but they don't have the information / they force us to close the ticket xdd

[meager mica]

delete kanna quickly pls

[upper thistle]

thankfully im going to be able to play cw for a few months and forget i main a kanna LOL

[stark latch]

Goodnight all, can't wait to see what misfortune tomorrow brings for us