Cutomizer won’t allow me to place Moon Pearl on Pyramid Ledge with Magic Cape on Lumberjack Tree | ALTTP Randomizer | Page 1

shut garden Jul 16, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Have you tried without Beatable Only? That can cause some weird placement behavior and the game might think it cannot be beaten.

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:51 PM

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just tried that and it still doesn’t work

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:52 PM

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What happens if you manually place boots in LW or start with them?

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Likewise with sword

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:53 PM

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it works when I do those

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but I don’t want either of those manually placed for my actual runs

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:54 PM

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I worry that the fill is placing too many items in the LW locking out places where sword boots and lamp can go

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:54 PM

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If you’d like I can send the exact settings I’m trying to generate

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:55 PM

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I’m not in a place where I can play with customizer for several hours

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:55 PM

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no worries

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:55 PM

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It’s possible for a customizer setting to be so restrictive that it causes generation failures due to chance even when a beatable seed is possible

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:56 PM

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i have tried multiple generations and it never works

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is there a way to make something generate randomly in the light world?

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Yes with yaml but I don’t know how

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:56 PM

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hmm

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 6:56 PM

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I think this might require use of mystery yaml

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But you can set subweights that shuffle items in a subset of locations

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For example, we have a no logic preset that guarantees big keys are on bosses (not necessarily their own)

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That’s not mystery, so it should be possible to do what you’re trying to do. I think it’s a cool mode idea btw

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It reminds me of lightspeed

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 6:59 PM

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I wouldn’t even know where to start with editing yaml data unfortunately 😭

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 7:00 PM

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dusk flicker That’s not mystery, so it should be possible to do what you’re trying to do. I t...

thanks >:)

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but yeah i’d imagine this is some sort of bug and not intended behavior

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maybe it’s not taking into account that I have all 3 pendants in the light world? idk

grizzled oracle Jul 16, 2024, 7:17 PM

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dim holly I wouldn’t even know where to start with editing yaml data unfortunately 😭

#sahasrahbot should have a link to all the existing presets in the topic or pins, i think, and you can reference that

dusk flicker Jul 16, 2024, 7:18 PM

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I recommend starting with lightspeed

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 7:22 PM

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grizzled oracle <#653688952485576734> should have a link to all the existing presets in the topi...

ok cool i’ll try this for the meantime, but hopefully whatever bug causes this can be looked into

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for now my workaround will be putting the actual master sword on the pedestal, but this might cause the fighter’s sword not to appear in the light world :/

dim holly Jul 16, 2024, 7:46 PM

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dim holly for now my workaround will be putting the actual master sword on the pedestal, b...

Wow. Even this doesn’t work…

dusk flicker Jul 17, 2024, 3:59 AM

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btw this is what happens when you have a preset that has limited options for legal placements

dim holly Jul 17, 2024, 7:02 AM

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is this showing that it took multiple attempts?

dusk flicker Jul 17, 2024, 2:07 PM

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Yes. Took six tries

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Depending on how restrictive your preset is it could take way more than that

dim holly Jul 24, 2024, 7:11 PM

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I’m still really wanting to get this preset to work. Does anyone know how I can set items to be forced to appear in the light world?

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or maybe it really is a problem with the logic, idk. No matter how many times i try to generate, even with a guaranteed master sword on pedestal it will not generate at all…

static sundial Jul 25, 2024, 8:08 AM

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I just tried generating a customized seed with your restrictions and it worked first try. maybe some of your dark world item placements cause the seed to actually not be beatable? how did you place them?

dim holly Jul 25, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Here are the two methods i tried:
(both have moon pearl on pyramid ledge & cape on lumberjack cave)

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Progressive sword on pedestal, blacksmith, & pyramid fairy (one is random)

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Fighter’s sword on sahasrala (green pendant), Master sword on pedestal, & progressive swords on blacksmith / pyramid fairy

Neither seem to work. Again I have it on standard with no cross pendant and crystal shuffle.

static sundial Jul 25, 2024, 7:07 PM

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this is strange, it generates properly for me

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I'm also double checking the playthrough each time to see it pull ped and then defeat Aga for DW access

dim holly Jul 25, 2024, 7:08 PM

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are you using the customizer on the website?

static sundial Jul 25, 2024, 7:09 PM

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yes

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best I could suggest is try resetting everything, and inputting everything again

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maybe there's some setting in there that shouldn't be there that screws it up

dim holly Jul 25, 2024, 7:09 PM

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i’ll try that

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thanks for the help btw

static sundial Jul 25, 2024, 7:10 PM

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you could also try importing this, it's exactly your proposed settings that I just used and exported it

📎 customizer-settings.json

dim holly Jul 25, 2024, 7:15 PM

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i recreated it again and it didn’t work so i’ll try using yours

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thanks so much

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ahh i might see the issue

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I have shuffle pendants and crystals on (not crossworld, but shuffle)

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that seems to be the issue

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Ok so i found the bug:

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When Swap Pendants and Crystals Crossworld is off, enabling both Shuffle Crystals and Shuffle Pendants causes the customizer to break.

Should i remove this post and make another showing this exact bug? I’d imagine it’s an easy fix

dusk flicker Jul 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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I think it would be a good idea

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Anyone who saw this thread and didn’t add themselves to it would not see these messages

static sundial Jul 25, 2024, 9:30 PM

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it might be slightly harder to find the underlying issue because it's also dependent on the items that were placed. for instance, if I take this same preset and only remove the progressive sword from ped, it still generates

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