guests

[sterile citrus]

True
Enjoy the evening

[old dew]

will not happen, I'm sick

[crisp anchor]

Mhm.

Official what ?

[empty verge]

Hi

[wanton canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sick-lies-pretend-sick-leave-cant-come-in-gif-15735440

[old dew]

[uncut oracle]

Can anyone explain me, why I don't have all cargos from Farm Machinery DLC into TruckersMP server?!?!

[cursive wind]

bruh, FINALLY CHANGED MY NAME IN ETS2! Hell nah, that was a bit hard but thx to that guy who teached me that

[cursive wind]

idk, sorry

btw how's the farm machinery dlc

is it good or meh

[uncut oracle]

Its nice

Deserve to be bought, in my oppinion

[cursive wind]

yea, i expected this from you

[cursive wind]

cool 👌

[uncut oracle]

🙂

[cursive wind]

planning to buy it too

[uncut oracle]

I hope 1 staff will answer me

[cursive wind]

hopefully, lolz

[old dew]

do you have the right trailer ?

[uncut oracle]

Yes. I tried to make my self delivery from TAB, I tried with low bed, low louder, even without trailer and it doesn't appear at cargos when I try to find with his name

[old dew]

I think you need the extended low bed for cargos like the big crawler tractor

lowloader

[uncut oracle]

I said I tried to take delivery only with my truck, the trailer should be give to me by game, but I can't find this cargo with his name. It doesn't exist. This is what I try to say to you

[old dew]

that's weird

[charred flame]

think you need a very very long low bed or whatever it's called one without ramps

[uncut oracle]

I tried even with this, nothing

[charred flame]

standard scs trailler non-dlc i should add

[uncut oracle]

Btw, cargo's name is Articulated Crawler Tractor

[old dew]

in tmp dispatcher its just Crawler Tractor

[uncut oracle]

What I have with "Articulated" in my cargos is only something with Volvo

[uncut oracle]

Yes. I tried both cargos called "Crawler Tractor" and is none of this

[old dew]

can you send a screenshot please ?

[uncut oracle]

With Cargos menu "Crawler Tractor"?

[copper yarrow]

How to get moderator here?

[charred flame]

apply

[copper yarrow]

Where?

[charred flame]

https://truckersmp.com/recruitment whenever they open the recruitment btw no ETA i do not know when they will start recruiting again

[copper yarrow]

Thanks

[uncut oracle]

I will send to you a bit late

[old dew]

alright

[hallow plaza]

а

[barren fiber]

.

[bitter pasture]

when is the alternating vehiclesss 😭

[velvet flicker]

hi

[native seal]

(elite reference)

[balmy fossil]

Hi

[quick helm]

Official server of TruckersMP.

[crisp anchor]

Obvioulsy as the name states

[surreal wyvern]

2 days tmp dosent start why

[strong apex]

Crawler Tractor Farm Machinery - Low Loader

[crisp anchor]

Any error messages ? Any crash messages, more informations would be helpful 🙂

[surreal wyvern]

nothing happend i go on play but nothing happen no start nothing

normal the play button is gray wen i go on play no its still red

[crisp anchor]

Did you reinstall the launcher ?
Did you verify your ets2 files / update to the most recent version?

[surreal wyvern]

all reinstall yesterday then i start my pc new still the same thing then i look for a new version by steam no updates

[crisp anchor]

Hmm

[strong apex]

maybe anti virus?

blocking it

[surreal wyvern]

normally then i see it but nothing idk why i cant play

[strong apex]

im thinkin its something blocking it

[lucid acorn]

hi

[flint briar]

Hello

[rugged sand]

alguien habla español

[little socket]

Hola @rugged sand!

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Por favor entienda que este es un servidor de Discord principalmente en inglés. Usted puede dirigirse a id:customize y seleccionar el idioma o los idiomas que hablas para tener acceso al canal especifico de cada idioma.

[rich hollow]

hi

[onyx tendon]

how long does it take the paste bin team to check my logs?

[spark horizon]

Paste bin team

[gloomy compass]

help me

[steep steeple]

your game is depressed

[gloomy compass]

pushed it down again and this is what happened to it

[winter solar]

lol

[gloomy compass]

I reinstal game end my profile deleted

):

150 hour

[slate gulch]

Skill issue

[eager dome]

You can get full made profiles from discord servers

[merry rune]

which scania truck should i buy for my first truck?

[eager dome]

Up to you, but most people go over the Scania S, but really depends on your budget

[grizzled yew]

is this incident considered to be reckless driving worth reporting, regardless of location? thank you
https://youtu.be/SjzAVt0l9vY

[spark horizon]

No

[grizzled yew]

what makes that ok? i was as far over as I could be, they still sideswiped me, causing me to block the road for other drivers

[spark horizon]

Where did I say that what happened in the video is ok?

[austere oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/growing-old-getting-old-grow-old-old-man-becoming-old-gif-17885988

[grizzled yew]

sorry, i assumed not worth reporting = ok

[austere oxide]

That was 8 years ago when they were removed

[spark horizon]

It's C-D, even if you were to report, nothing would change.

Also could have braked but decided to instead just press horn which is equal to trying to scratch diamonds with plastic

[grizzled yew]

don't think me braking would have prevented contact, i certainly wasn't accelerating. i always honk when someone overtakes too close to alert them they need to give more room

[spark horizon]

Honking can be muted so it's really useless to honk at others. Braking would have most likely prevented you from ping ponging around

[grizzled yew]

don't see how it isn't 2.4

[spark horizon]

And again, where did I say that it isn't 2.4?

[grizzled yew]

if it is then i don't see how it's not worth reporting

[spark horizon]

Then maybe don't ask dumb questions if you don't care about the answers

Reporting in C-D isn't worth it. Nothing has ever changed from reporting there, nothing will ever change from reporting there

[grizzled yew]

that's like saying saint louis is the murder capital of the world, might as well not report crime there either

[spark horizon]

Ah yes, murder irl and reckless driving in a arcade game is completely same thing

[grizzled yew]

where did i say they're completely the same thing? i wasn't asking for your pessimistic take on incident reporting on cd as a whole, more specifically if this incident would constitute reckless driving. next time i'll be more careful how i phrase my inquiry. thank you

[spark horizon]

You asked quote on quote " is this worth reporting?". Not "is this reckless driving"

[grizzled yew]

see

next time i'll be more careful how i phrase my inquiry.

[crisp anchor]

If youre unsure if its worth or not simply report it the respective moderator will give you the information on if it is or if it isnt.

[spark horizon]

But asking here is easier than that because then they can argue when someone doesn't see it as a worth it to report

[grizzled yew]

if i wanted you to tell me nothing on cd is worth reporting i wouldn't have asked. why must you impart your negative outlook on others?

[spark horizon]

You asked an opinion, you got what you wanted. Just like you go to C-D for the chaos, you got that as well. Don't cry when you get what you ask for

[grizzled yew]

go to cd to get honked at and flash my high beams at others in a friendly manner, not to get hit. if your opinion is so clearly negative about reporting on the whole, perhaps you don't offer the most nuanced look at the incident, and you could let someone else with a more objective take weigh in.

i also like seeing something other than empty roads, lmk what other route has traffic.

[spark horizon]

If you don't want opinions, don't ask for opinions. Simple as that.

[grizzled yew]

if you've nothing of value to share, don't opine. simple as that. do you think I wanted a lecture about cd? or could you have read a little deeper to see that perhaps they are asking if something is considered reckless enough to get reported, irrespective of location

unless report moderators also hold your values about cd being worthless to report, it's not really important to me how you feel in that regard

[onyx prawn]

hi

[spark horizon]

I read the question, I answer the question, I'm not going to add useless, non asked stuff to the question. So if you want to the answer to a certain question, don't ask a completely different question

[grizzled yew]

useless, non asked stuff is your opinion, your personal bias, about reporting on cd. sorry that you don't feel it's worked out for you, I take solace in knowing they'll have more time to play driving academy. I do not want your opinion about cd. I want an opinion about the specific incident at hand, not cd reports as a whole, otherwise I wouldn't have posted a video for reference

[spark horizon]

The asked stuff is also my opinion. Who would have guessed that if you ask for an opinion, you'll get an opinion. The non asked stuff (is it against the rule) is not my opinion. There are more than the C-D reasoning why I don't think it's worth reporting, huge part of it being no attempt whatsoever to prevent the collision from your end and your speeding as well

[grizzled yew]

"just got hit on cd, even worth reporting?" vs "here's a video, is this worth reporting"

no attempt
yielding as far to the right as is practicable, audibly indicating when they're too close. not speeding by as much as the overtaking driver. does my not hitting the brakes implicate me as at fault for their reckless overtake? countless other drivers overtake safely, leaving me to think otherwise. you can think all you want about what could have happened, ultimately who is at fault for what did happen

[spark horizon]

Yielding to the right won't do anything when you're still in the lane they want to enter
Honking can be muted in the settings, so the other participant wouldn't even hear it.
Would braking have made you lose anything?
Just because others overtake you safely doesn't mean everyone will.
Both are at fault. One more than the other.

[grizzled yew]

if it were not reckless overtaking, i would not need to brake.

[spark horizon]

And if you didn't brake, you didn't avoid the accident which is against TMP rules

[violet smelt]

[grizzled yew]

truck doesn't have brembos, isn't instantaneous to move from floor to brake, even if i did have superhuman reflexes I couldn't have stopped in time with a heavy load

[spark horizon]

"Traffic laws, road signage and smart signs (§2.7) must be obeyed based on the countries/states respective legislation."
TMP rules state that. In Belgium, Netherlands and Germany(C-D road countries) , drivers are legally required to take preventive actions to avoid collisions, which you failed to do.

[spark horizon]

You had time to honk, so you had time to brake

[violet smelt]

If you have to use your brakes you have to use them

[grizzled yew]

takes longer to move foot than to depress finger which is already covering horn

[charred flame]

Lol what? Your foot be next to the brake

[spark horizon]

So you drive with your leg not around your gas and brake, sounds like reckless driving to me

[grizzled yew]

you can argue the last point all you want, I'm sure the traffic courts of these countries would find honking and yielding right to be sufficient preventative actions given such short time to adaquetely respond

[grizzled yew]

but would need to be lifted from the floor to the brake, which according to my driver's education course, is not an instantaneous maneuver.

[violet smelt]

Horn spamming will never prevent a collision but braking will save you from a collision in most cases

If you have no driving experience its normal that you do not know this

[spark horizon]

Honking isn't preventing a accident

[grizzled yew]

it's surely done so many times for me irl

and in game

[charred flame]

I don't understand I drive in real life it takes me 1 second to hit a brake pedal with my foot

[grizzled yew]

1 second, which is a lot longer than it takes to depress a button with your finger.

[gloomy compass]

Which?

[grizzled yew]

i was taught otherwise by my driving instructor

[spark horizon]

It takes less than that tbh. Your leg is always in the vicinity of the brake pedal

[charred flame]

Very true

[spark horizon]

Also, finger already covering the horn does sound like he was anticipating an accident. Yet his leg was nowhere near the brake. Sounds like he wants the accidents to happen to me

[grizzled yew]

When fully aware of the time and location of the brake signal, drivers can detect a signal and move the foot from accelerator to brake pedal in about 0.70 to 0.75 sec. Response to unexpected, but common signals, such as a lead car's brake lights, is about 1.25 sec, whereas RTs for surprise events, such as an object suddenly moving into the driver's path, is roughly 1.5 sec. These times are modulated somewhat by other factors, including driver age and gender, cognitive load, and urgency.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/STHF0203_1#:~:text=When fully aware of the,about 0.70 to 0.75 sec.

[grizzled yew]

sorry, is your horn button not the easiest button to reach on your steering wheel?

in resting position, hands at 9 and 3, finger (thumb if we'll be splitting hairs, as it seems we are) is already covering horn

[spark horizon]

Not even close

[grizzled yew]

come again?

close to what

[spark horizon]

Not even close to being the easiest button to reach

[grizzled yew]

not even close to replying to the correct message then

[faint bloom]

Hi

[charred flame]

Bye

[spark horizon]

I replied to the indented message. My fingers aren't even close to covering the horn, so in other words, it's not the easiest button to reach on my steering wheel

[grizzled yew]

you replied to the message below that which you were referencing. I certainly understood after the message I am currently replying to. and I didn't indent anything

[prime lion]

that doesn't sound correct in the slightest. your reaction time, if you fully expect someone to brake check you and you know exactly what you are going to do, should be around 0.2 seconds. it'll obviously be longer if you don't expect to happen, but it would be much shorter than 1.5 seconds

[grizzled yew]

ok bro disagree with a peer reviewed article written by a well regarded institution I'm sure you know better

[spark horizon]

Maybe he should bind the brake to his horn button since it's easier to reach

[prime lion]

you can put this into practice. do a reaction time test on a website and tell me what you get

also, try timing just how long 1.5 seconds really is

[visual skiff]

[grizzled yew]

yes because click the screen which i expect to turn green is no different than driving and having to press the pedal with your foot when you are expecting nothing of the sort to occur

[prime lion]

thats the difference between expecting something to happen and not expecting it to happen. we both already mentioned this

[grizzled yew]

unfortunately the button i have bound to horn is not an axis, so i would be fully braking even when i need a slight tap. have thought of this though.

[spark horizon]

Driving around, expecting nothing to happen sounds like pretty reckless to me

[grizzled yew]

expecting other players to drive safely
sounds reckless

[grizzled yew]

which is what the article mentions, reaction time varies situationally

[prime lion]

On the busiest road in the game? You should at least be preparing to brake for traffic

[prime lion]

And I said that, even in the best case scenario, the article is massively overshooting their estimate

[spark horizon]

Expect the "un"expected. I mean, who would go to the most known road for reckless drivers and expect everyone to drive carefully.

[charred flame]

I'm gonna sell my real life car and giving back my drivers license and staying off the road then

[grizzled yew]

minimap shows traffic, which i was adequately prepared to brake for. why would I assume an overtake to be unsafe? as the article mentions, reaction time includes the time needed to recognize a "braking signal," as well as the time to execute the braking maneuver.

[spark horizon]

Blud probably drives like this since the horn is the easiest button to press

[grizzled yew]

unfortunately i do not have a wheel that nice, it is the thumb button on my logitech wheel, which does not have a center button

[sturdy sedge]

[spark horizon]

You're driving on the most notorious road for unsafe overtaking in TMP. You kinda have are need to expect the overtakes to be unsafe

[sturdy sedge]

go faster plz

[charred flame]

No hold horn button

[grizzled yew]

i think this comes back to your pessimistic opinion regarding c-d. If i wanted a reckless experience, I wouldn't play on such a heavily moderated service. as the article mentions, RTs are affected by driver expectation by a factor of 2, and I would not expect this overtake to go any differently than the countless examples which occured prior, in which I was not hit.

[formal pulsar]

that opinion is anything but groundless.

thankfully, anyone here is entitled to having an opinion 🙂

[spark horizon]

Expect the unexpected. Always be ready to brake. Anything can happen when driving

[merry tiger]

Wasssup world

[fluid wolf]

There is only one true opinion... The problem always sits behind the steering wheel

[merry tiger]

Driver mod needed

[fluid wolf]

what

[violet smelt]

Driver mod?

[formal pulsar]

Making sense is overrated

[merry tiger]

bud were online ion think anyone makes much sense these days

[grizzled yew]

i'm sure the drivers in the study were also instructed to "expect the unexpected," unfortunately there was still a reaction time variance due to driver expectation. I am playing on a service which prohibits unsafe overtaking. I "expect" other players to conduct themselves in accordance with traffic laws. were i following another driver, perhaps I would have "expected" to see their brake lights illuminate. however, as I was being overtaken, I was not in the same frame of mind as I would have been in a more cognitively intense scenario. i'm not sure how else i can spell out the summary of the paper to explain reaction time variance. always being ready to brake has variance

[charred flame]

Making sense should be against the rules and bannable offence

[fluid wolf]

writing "rec ban" in chat should be a bannable offense

[formal pulsar]

those saying "bannable" shouldn't be allowed here to begin with

sorry Koneko

[fluid wolf]

time to go then

[charred flame]

Awww I guess I leave oh look a door!

[violet smelt]

Then we would have to ban 80% of the players

[fluid wolf]

worth it

[formal pulsar]

smh 🙂

[charred flame]

Then CD will be a desert

[fluid wolf]

I still wonder what poor single lane road people will move too when c-d is gone next year

[formal pulsar]

mumbles Alpine route

that was some fun time 🙂

[fluid wolf]

no chane, doesn't fit the theme of a racetrack

not a permanent solution

[charred flame]

Calais people just might as well just loop those roads leading to Calais only

[fluid wolf]

[prime lion]

Took the time to rebind my brake pedal to mouse click. My average reaction time, after using a reaction time test:

[fluid wolf]

which will most likely be highways only, almost

I still wonder how scs will actually do it, but I'm pretty sure at least the duisburg sided beginning of c-d will erase and turn into a highway... simple because it is like that irl and they won't miss the chance to turn it into a highway with a proper rework

[grizzled yew]

totally misses the entire point of the article. reaction time variance. it's a lot different when you're sat in front of a screen expecting it to turn green, with a very low cognitive load

[charred flame]

There's that road when no one goes straight on but everyone turns left at that Calais junction

[fluid wolf]

well, given the 3-4 tight corners it has...

that is the reason why nobody drives there

cannot race through it

🤓

[spark horizon]

So you expect others to obey the traffic law but not you? That's a weird way to drive.

Idk about you, but when I'm driving with cruise control, the most likely pedal I'm going to press is the brake so my leg is already resting near it. I've had close calls with animals, children and other vehicles that have been prevented by quick reaction time. I don't have to look for my leg from where the sun doesn't shine because it never goes there

[charred flame]

Very true but I'm a slow old man I dislike driving like a race car driver

[fluid wolf]

you know we're just a small piece of the cake who drives like that on c-d

[prime lion]

Yes, the abstract of the article says that their tests reported a wide variety of results. That makes it much clearer that you shouldn't take their averages at face value. At best, the numbers that they reported should be taken with a grain of salt, not used as definitive proof.

[fluid wolf]

even when I do 80 I sometimes get overtaken by people who just drive 90 after that... what is the point in overtaking then?

10 km/h make no difference on that road anyway

[grizzled yew]

of course i'm nearer the brake than the throttle. other than 10km/h speeding, not sure which laws i'm braking, besides being over the fog line in an attempt to make the overtake easier. a quick reaction time still varies by a factor of 2 with driver expectation

[grizzled yew]

By analyzing a large number of data sets, however, it is possible to estimate times under specific conditions.

it's a metastudy

[spark horizon]

Drivers requiring to try and prevent accidents is a fun law which you failed to obey

[grizzled yew]

to which I would say depression of the horn is an attempt at prevention, as well as yielding so far right i'm out of the lane.

[spark horizon]

If your leg is where it's supposed to be, you would have braked before the impact. Horn is to notify other road users. Brakes are to prevent collisions

[prime gyro]

just record your screen because cameraman never dies

[grizzled yew]

you would have braked before the impact
not necessarily. try reading the linked article, and counting time in the evidence.

[charred flame]

i only drive 50 - 56 mph max just to angry the inpatient players heheh i mean i do let them overtake me i don't swing at them but if they smack into other player that's oncoming that's their fault heheh

[fluid wolf]

I really don't mind if I get overtaken either, I just always am rather confused by people who do everything to overtake you just to park beside the road 2 minutes after and afk there for the next 10 minutes

[charred flame]

omg i had someone overtaken me then next 20 seconds he pulled over on the side of the road i was like EH???? XD

[grizzled yew]

ever gotten a phone call or knock on the door

[opal ivy]

Ohhh I like that

[spark horizon]

There's around 2 seconds from when the truck started to enter your lane and 1 second from the horn till the collision. You had plenty of time to brake.

[prime lion]

Why do you keep saying “read the linked article” anyway? The website only provides the abstract and you need to login to read the whole thing.

[spark horizon]

Because he's losing and knows it

[grizzled yew]

less than a second from when they enter my lane to when i press the horn. i press the horn when i anticipate a collision. less than a second between that and impact. assuming i have an average reaction to an unexpevted event, i would have not even touched the brake pedal before the crash

[opal ivy]

What if I'm carrying 75 tons and drive on c-d. Will I annoy the Turks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/942888471167664199.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=thinking~1

[grizzled yew]

very short explanation on reaction time variance that doesn't need to be much longer for the purposes of explaining driver expectation

[fluid wolf]

you will annoy everyone, essentially

[charred flame]

yes 100% i mean huh?

[charred flame]

not everyone actually!!

[fluid wolf]

hence why I said essentially

[opal ivy]

Hehe 4k people on server and 1 dude driving 50 max

[fluid wolf]

driving with very heavy cargo intentionally on c-d just to be slow, but to have an excuse, is rather non-sensical.

Technically, nothing forbids you from doing so. But it is just so unneeded... like why? Even people who genuinely drive the speed limit easily get annoyed by people trying to climb an incline with 20 km/h or just taking ages.

[charred flame]

yeah all i hear is Honk!!! < replace lowercase with all caps since automod lol

[opal ivy]

Ok 50 is a bit slow I might say. What about 65

[fluid wolf]

lemme do it for you... HOOOOONK

[prime lion]

People like to drive slow to bait others into making risky overtakes.

[charred flame]

thank you very much kind sir!

[opal ivy]

That's the point hoorayy

[fluid wolf]

consider yourself a bad driver then.

[charred flame]

You know it hehehe i mean what? nothing

[prime lion]

Y'all should NOT be admitting to doing this

[spark horizon]

Considering that you drive on the most reckless road and consider reckless driving unexpected, even in that case, anyone that drives with their leg where it's supposed to be would have been able to press the brake. But you seem to drive with your leg in a completely other room

[opal ivy]

I mean uphill even 730 hp Scania can't start

[charred flame]

what you mean? i not have a modded engine though

[opal ivy]

It takes 5 seconds to start doing smt or it just stalls in my case

[fluid wolf]

I want to repeat myself here... the problem always sits behind the steering wheel

your vehicle is not responsible

[spark horizon]

Man I love hauling 68 tons with a 460hp Volvo. So calming

[charred flame]

what about a xbox controller does that count?

[opal ivy]

Not ideal uphill

[fluid wolf]

yes, because on your screen you still sit behind a wheel

[grizzled yew]

1.5 seconds average. which means there's a large group of people who take longer. take it up with the authors of my works cited. i'm sure their metaanalysis is wrong.

[spark horizon]

Perfectly fine. No issues with uphills

[charred flame]

Nu uh i see no wheel on my screen besides a incoming headlights

[opal ivy]

So I guess something isn't right for me (I'm not the problem tho)

[fluid wolf]

I haven't used a engine greater than 650hp in ets2 for like 7 years now. You don't need more than 500 something hp

[charred flame]

this is very true it's just 90% players are vroom vroom vrooommm modded engines to go faster

[opal ivy]

I love how people don't want to be overtaken even in they drive like turtles

[fluid wolf]

fast acceleration > enjoying a drive. This is what most people aim for and idk why

it's physics, trucks take longer the heavier the load is

just deal with it

[charred flame]

enjoying a drive you say more like enjoying smacking into others and driving recklessly

[spark horizon]

And I have been teached that on average, a emergency brake reaction time is .8 seconds. But lets go with the 1.5 seconds, that goes to honking as well, so you still had plenty of time to go to the brake but didn't

[fluid wolf]

I put the arrow the wrong way around in first

[prime lion]

Eh, I use 780hp engines exclusively and I can still enjoy a good drive in quiet areas. Sometimes you just have to drive for the love of the game.

[fluid wolf]

I rather take my few seconds longer to get on my cruise control speed than to accelerate the smack outta my truck just to be the few seconds faster

[charred flame]

i prefer singleplayer for that even tho the AI sometimes bad at driving

[fluid wolf]

essentially the worst of the 700hp engines, go back to 750/730

[spark horizon]

Go back to 420

[prime lion]

nah, Volvo supremacy

[fluid wolf]

Volvo has 750 too

[spark horizon]

Fh3 with 420hp engine peak koleka experience

[charred flame]

it also has 780 too

[prime lion]

TRUE!

[fluid wolf]

I never said it doesn't

[prime lion]

but consider this: it has a 780hp engine

[charred flame]

due to that 780 hp from volvo that is why they mod that engine to their scania's

[prime lion]

bigger number = better truck obv

[fluid wolf]

okay but please take this into consideration: it has a 750hp engine!

[spark horizon]

You compensating for something?

[fluid wolf]

oh my... this is as inaccurate as it can be

lol

[grizzled yew]

as previously iterated, the rt between horn and brake varies due to the physiological differences between resting on a button that immediately sends a full signal once depressed, vs needing to move my foot to an axis which requires full depression in an emergency scenario. if you read my source, it clearly states the average time when you expect a braking signal to be more in line with your number, and double when not expecting such a scenario.

[fluid wolf]

500hp-ish enjoyer

[prime lion]

650hp eh?

[charred flame]

well that's one way to angry the inpatient drivers

[fluid wolf]

what truck actually is that hol up

[fluid wolf]

why? Barely makes a difference to 750hp people

[prime lion]

also the only time I'm not driving a 780hp engine is if I decide to use my electric Scania

[fluid wolf]

it has 0 kms on it, doesn't count

[prime lion]

which is like 660 ish?

[spark horizon]

I'm faster to go into the brake. I must be some kind of super human then. But even still, you had time to press the brake but didn't

[charred flame]

you are still "slow" to them ofc

[worthy gale]

@fluid wolf how to get the permission to turn on the mic in vc?

[fluid wolf]

if you aren't driving 110 km/h everywhere on the map, you're slow

[prime lion]

average race miles enjoyer

[charred flame]

Yes because i drive like a granny do i not?

[fluid wolf]

verify your account. Or rather, connect it to your tmp acc.

[fluid wolf]

I rather drive at granny speed, in tmp terms, than being the next wannabe lewis hamilton

[spark horizon]

Can't wait for the "but the research i linked" ahh answer

[charred flame]

is he typing a essay or what?

[grizzled yew]

statistically, you're above average, you drive a truck, I imagine you have plenty of seat time to work on that reaction time. the average person does not, which may explain why they used an average as opposed to a range. yeah, the six sentence summary too much for you? gonna disagree with a peer reviewed article some more? statistically, you're wrong

[worthy gale]

how to do that -.-
cant find it 🥲

[fluid wolf]

I honestly don't know why this discussion between these 2 is even going on

[spark horizon]

Yes

[fluid wolf]

it's a forth and back with no outcome

[prime lion]

they've written more than the article itself

[little socket]

Hey @worthy gale!

Verification

You can get the Verified role by linking your Discord account with your TruckersMP account.

Click on the server name "TruckersMP",
Select id:linked-roles in the dropdown-menu,
Click on "Verified" (id:linked-roles:1083781004038250546) and follow the steps.

If verification process is successful, you will be given the Verified role, which will grant you access to more channels, posting images, reacting to messages and more!

However, if you cannot complete verification process, open your profile settings at TruckersMP.com and make sure you have the correct Discord linked. If it's not your current one, scroll down further and use "Remove Discord" in your profile settings and add the correct Discord.

[formal pulsar]

just a lot of time and energy to spare

[grizzled yew]

and yet something so simple is still beyond her grasp of understanding

[prime lion]

Oh no, we understand. We just think you're wrong.

[grizzled yew]

me when i disagree with a metastudy because i think i know more

[prime lion]

We're disagreeing with an overly-generalised summary

[spark horizon]

You had plenty of time to brake, you didn't. Even with the research and 1.5 second rt taken into consideration, you still had plenty of time to brake but you didn't. So does that mean that you're waaaayyyyy behind average? Proper granny innit

[violet smelt]

Actually if we had said "yes bro you are right we should horn spam instead of braking" this discussion would not have gone so long

[grizzled yew]

give or take a half second to apply the brakes

which in a heavy truck, would not have slowed me down by a meaningful amount

[charred flame]

well actually honking is more effective to blow your horn then braking

[prime lion]

So then why are we even arguing about reaction times in the first place

[violet smelt]

Especially for this game

[charred flame]

i did i said it takes me 1 second to put my foot on the brake then the horn

[grizzled yew]

and i'm trying to explain the variance due to driver expectation

[spark horizon]

With a 76 ton truck, how many metres do you think the truck needs to stop?

[charred flame]

a lot 🙂

[grizzled yew]

depends on your brake intensity setting

[spark horizon]

49 meters

[charred flame]

because realistic if you suddenly stop a truck with 76 ton weight your trailer will smack into your cabin causing major injuries to the driver correct if i am wrong

[spark horizon]

A empty truck weighing 21 tons takes 45 meters

[fluid wolf]

Only the cargo will smack in your cabin, if not secured safely

the trailer won't do anything, it's as harmless as a fly

[charred flame]

this also

[fluid wolf]

if connected and secured properly

[spark horizon]

And this is from 80kmh

[charred flame]

oh i legit thought the trailer will not stop correctly if you suddenly just brake and it goes flying into the cabin like it was a wracking ball or something

[fluid wolf]

no. Even when performing an emergency brake, the trailer will brake with "you" in the same or at least a similar sense as the pulling vehicle

a trailer will only move further if it, for some reason, actually detaches off your hitch or has a rusty frame that easily bends. Apart from that, you'd need an actual impact to make your trailer move

and that impact needs a respective amount of force

[spark horizon]

Or has faulty abs in slippery conditions. Don't ask how I know

[fluid wolf]

I know why and how

don't worry

[charred flame]

Oh! i guess i am wrong then i always thought the weight of the trailer won't allow the trailer to stop smoothly or correctly with the truck itself that's why i always thought truck drivers have to brake slower and smoother so the trailer doesn't go take that smack! yeah?

[fluid wolf]

I mean, it was like that many years ago

maaany years ago

as long as your hoses are set up on your trailer and you drive a trailer build later than the 80s, you're good

[spark horizon]

Even when we take the study you provided into full consideration, either you didn't plan to brake at all or you have the reaction time of a granny

[charred flame]

oh i seem to forgot technology evolves

[grizzled yew]

.5 seconds of brake application wouldn't do much in that scenario. especially with a realistic braking intensity setting

[fluid wolf]

why can't you 2 just stay entitled to your own viewpoints and opinions and finally drop this nonsense discussion

😭

[spark horizon]

It could have or could not have. We won't know that because you never braked

[charred flame]

Never!!!

[fluid wolf]

time to leave the chat then

[prime lion]

Real, honestly I stopped discussing this when I realised it was just about a TMP ban

[charred flame]

oh hell nah ! you are staying right here mr!

[formal pulsar]

promises, promises

[fluid wolf]

oh it is? I actually don't read through everything cuz everyone is just repeating everything

[charred flame]

wait it's a TMP ban?

[spark horizon]

It wasn't originally about that either. It was when he asked for an opinion and got that opinion he asked for. The opinion didn't align with his views

[prime lion]

The patient zero of this discussion ^

[grizzled yew]

right, as I mentioned, anything could have happened. unfortunately, what did happen cannot be changed, so it is worthless to discuss it. what could have happened is a safe overtake, just a little close. the offending driver could have been passing close, and swerved to avoid me, but we'll never know, because they hit me instead

[charred flame]

[spark horizon]

And the original question was "is this worth reporting?"

[grizzled yew]

not "is anything on cd worth reporting"

[prime lion]

Which is why I left the discussion. The easiest way to answer that question is just to report it

[spark horizon]

But that could risk the reporter getting banned so they gotta ask first

Which would be fun to see ngl

[charred flame]

you know what im not going to answer nor join this pointless discussion anymore about that video with the black truck overtaking

[fluid wolf]

by mentioning it, you just indirectly took part of that topic again

liar!

[grizzled yew]

heaven forbid I want to not waste the report team's time, and instead waste time of those that can clearly afford to lose it

[spark horizon]

So did you

[charred flame]

dam it!

[fluid wolf]

I never said I don't wanna take part, I just consider this discussion as useless as it can get

[spark horizon]

Waste one persons time < waste multiple peoples time. Got it

[grizzled yew]

if you couldn't afford to spare the time you'd be somewhere more important than discord, report team does it because they have to. you're here by choice

[spark horizon]

Also, pretty sure that TMP considers most of C-D reports waste of time considering that they don't pretty much increase your report "score"

[prime lion]

I’m a volunteer. I’m here by choice

[charred flame]

all TMP staff are volunteers i think

[spark horizon]

Wait till you hear what TMP staff is here for. I can give you a hint, they're not forced

[grizzled yew]

who, in order to continue volunteering, need to review the report. anyone in this discussion can enter and leave at any time

[fluid wolf]

*almost everyone is

[violet smelt]

People try too hard to justify themselves

[spark horizon]

TMP staff can leave anytime they want too

[charred flame]

Nu uh!! quickly hides around a corner

[grizzled yew]

forfeiting their position.

[formal pulsar]

Keep dreaming

[charred flame]

why not you join the team then? i heard it's not easy tasks

[spark horizon]

That's their choice

[violet smelt]

There needs to be someone who is always blunt this discussion

[copper lodge]

How to chat in TMP?
Whut button.

[grizzled yew]

y

[charred flame]

Like me? heheh

[spark horizon]

Just like you said, we can leave this discussion anytime we want. Just like TMP staff can leave the team anytime they want

[spark horizon]

X to voice, y to chat

[copper lodge]

Ty.

[grizzled yew]

you are welcome back to the discussion when you leave, i imagine leaving tmp staff would not be so simple to rejoin as reopening a discord channel

[violet smelt]

Someone who wont admit he is wrong and a few people who tell him why he is wrong

[copper lodge]

But if i press tab, i cant acces the mouse.

[grizzled yew]

rmb

[copper lodge]

rmb?

[grizzled yew]

right mouse button, secondary click

[prime lion]

Or you could just leave

[spark horizon]

Considering how many staff members I've seen leave the team and later join without a recruitment having being done recently, would prove you wrong

[grizzled yew]

there is a higher barrier to entry to the staff of tmp than to the guests channel in their discord, objectively.

[charred flame]

This is very true

[copper lodge]

Ty

[spark horizon]

Still doesn't change the fact that we are here voluntarily as are the TMP staff members. We can all leave when we want to

[grizzled yew]

still doesn't change the fact that it would be a lengthier process to rejoin staff than simply clicking #guests. you seem to struggle with objectivity

[violet smelt]

I love this discussion

He doesnt understand why he is wrong or i think he does it on purpose to make people angry

[prime lion]

S tier ragebait

[spark horizon]

"if you couldn't afford to spare the time you'd be somewhere more important than discord, report team does it because they have to. you're here by choice"

nowhere did you say that we have to go through a lengthy process to join this discussion. You said we're here by choice, just as TMP staff is in the team by choice

[charred flame]

i see TimeTimes lurking right now i wonder if his enjoying this discussion more then us

[spark horizon]

But hey, go ahead and continue driving on the notoriously reckless road and expect everyone to not drive recklessly. Must be your own little happy bubble there

[grizzled yew]

how hard is it to infer? the whole point of that is to demonstrate the difference between voluntarily being in a discord channel vs voluntarily being a part of a staff

[violet smelt]

You are wasting your time xD @spark horizon

[fluid wolf]

she loves to do that

[violet smelt]

[charred flame]

[grizzled yew]

don't think anything i've said is, nor can be proven to be, objectively wrong

[inland python]

Does this discussion even have a point?

[prime gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[spark horizon]

How hard is it to understand, voluntary is voluntary. We can leave whenever we want, no matter how hard it is to join to begin with. It's still easy to leave

[charred flame]

not really why you ask DarkScream?

[spark horizon]

I got nothing but time

[crisp anchor]

[violet smelt]

No

[charred flame]

aww share pls i already ate all my popcorn earlier

[fluid wolf]

how did we even move from a simle video of c-d, to a discussion about human reaction times and braking to finally conclude this with the aspect of voluntary work and presence?

[crisp anchor]

10 euros and you get a piece

[balmy spade]

can someone tell me how to get the red lights on your trucks spoilers?

[crisp anchor]

Simle

[grizzled yew]

is it the same to leave and join a discord channel as it is to leave and join a staff team? as simple as one click? voluntary, with a different barrier to entry and, more importantly to my point, reentry

[fluid wolf]

what will be the next topic, how avocados influenced the Domestic Fruit Market of Venezuela?

[balmy spade]

like is that a mod or something

[spark horizon]

You expecting C-D to be calm zone where nobody drives recklessly can easily be proven wrong

[inland python]

Thanks for summarizing the topic

[charred flame]

Volvo and other trucks have this back red led light from their tuning dlcs

[grizzled yew]

expectation is that the rules are followed

[balmy spade]

so scania doesnt? : (

[spark horizon]

Idk, @fluid wolf can you ban him, let's see how easy it is for him to join then

[charred flame]

i not think they have them no

[balmy spade]

awww

[fluid wolf]

I only play fair games Nat. Either none of you, or both of you. Pick one

[spark horizon]

You should expect the complete opposite in C-D.

[prime gyro]

seems like it

[charred flame]

what about me?

[grizzled yew]

harkening back to your bias regarding an area of the map, in which the same rules still apply

[fluid wolf]

you aren't keeping this discussion alive for no reason, unlike the other 2

oh wrong mention

@charred flame

u I mean

[charred flame]

[violet smelt]

You realized you were wrong about what happened to you in the game and started giving real life examples

This is the escape method of people who realize that they are wrong about something

[spark horizon]

It's not even bias. It's a fact that C-D road is notorious for reckless driving

[grizzled yew]

realized i was right and started giving peer reviewed meta-study real life examples to support my actions in a somewhat realistic simulator

[fluid wolf]

Please never compare real life to a game

that's the first wrong step

[spark horizon]

Somewhat realistic simulator

[violet smelt]

He really doesnt understand

[spark horizon]

Joke of the century right here

[charred flame]

wait sim 1 is realistic? since when?

[violet smelt]

Since today

[spark horizon]

Since FS said it, it must be true

[charred flame]

[inland python]

Nah its actually good thing for example if you don't want to crash your car IRL you shouldn't do that in-game as well. Result: no rules were broken

[fluid wolf]

yeah that's why I hit the Wii home button to pause my gameplay in real life

so I can avoid crashing

[inland python]

Wish that one was possible

[charred flame]

lol stop Koneko 😂 😂 😂 😂

[fluid wolf]

imagine lagging in real life. Biggest plot twist in history of this evolving earth

[charred flame]

🤣

[prime lion]

imagine chilling on earth and getting kicked for high ping

[fluid wolf]

where do we even end up then... on neptune?

where is the timeout zone

[grizzled yew]

what am i supposed to compare the game to? not a lot of studies on ets2...

[charred flame]

aww this hurts me AC i keep getting kicked for high ping when my ping stays at 23 ms

[prime lion]

oh you don’t even know. im Australian, my ping is consistently 300ms

[charred flame]

ouchy i always stay clear distance when players have more then 100 ping tbf

[prime gyro]

300 is low

[spark horizon]

Since we're bringing IRL into the argument, I can confidently say that FS sucks at driving and should give his license (if he even has one) away. The accident was 100% avoidable by slowing down

[charred flame]

What the!! how? the server not booting you out for that ping?!

[grizzled yew]

most accidents are avoidable by slowing down. i didn't have time.

[prime gyro]

nah i asked the server nicely

[charred flame]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-please-kind-sir-shirley-temple-begging-please-gif-12061521

idk either sorry xD

[spark horizon]

You had plenty of time. Way more than needed

[grizzled yew]

.5 seconds of braking time, assuming i am average, you are provably wrong.

[violet smelt]

An accident can only be prevented by braking horn spam is just a meaningless loud

[fluid wolf]

Maybe by not taking any comparisons on solely relying on what a game has to offer? In this case, ets2?

How are you able to compare real life accidents to a game, when you have no insurance, no police, no drivers license or whatever in the game to begin with.

How are you able to compare "real life" physics to a game, when those of a game never can be accurate.

How are you able to compare Driving with or behind other people to irl, when it severely differs the visual understand and viewpoint of both things in each core point.

(dis a tmp one) How are you able to compare real life traffic laws and Gestures to TruckersMP rules or the game's traffic laws, when those severely interfere with another and depending on case can take some out of context.

How can you compare real life reaction time to a computer who still reads the input slower than the actual real life... and especially in games.

You are trying to compare a completely different world into something coded into your computer. A simulation is an attempt of reproducing real life activites to a limit it is possible, yet they are nowhere close (as technically not doable and won't be for the next x-amount of years).

You simply cannot compare real life to a game, stop it. It doesn't make sense.

[charred flame]

i mean most people horn spam on a red traffic light sooo

[spark horizon]

10 seconds is plenty of time to slow down

[fluid wolf]

Also there is a difference between taking examples out of real life to actually making an comparison attempt

those are 2 different shoes

[spark horizon]

Someone starts to overtake, cruise control off and roll, leg on brake ready to press it.

[grizzled yew]

given your logic i had even less time to brake. driver expectation still applies in a simulation.

[fluid wolf]

Throw your driver expectations from real life out the window and start thinking in a game-way, please.

[grizzled yew]

maybe you do that, if I'm being overtaken i'll hold my speed, if they are safely overtaking, i won't need to slow down.

[charred flame]

fine! i will drive recklessly in real life now and drive though red lights and try smash my way though a train then!

[violet smelt]

He is definitely purposely trying to anger us

[charred flame]

omg i would of gotten out my car and go What!?!??

[spark horizon]

You can throw your "driver expectations" right into the trash when you drive on the notoriously reckless road and don't expect people to drive recklessly there at all

[fluid wolf]

someone did that to me when the light was still orange. So I acted like I'd be stalling until the light went back to the red phase and then drove of a second earlier. (I was driving an automatic at that day )

[grizzled yew]

same with your opinion about reporting on cd. rules still apply.

[fluid wolf]

the green phase was very short and he the only guy behind me, so I couldn't care less

[charred flame]

oh you cheeky little!

[fluid wolf]

you harvest what you plant, pal

his fault all along

[prime lion]

its so weird seeing the lights in other countries. we don't have a yellow light when going from red to green

[grizzled yew]

no reason to "expect" an unsafe maneuver anywhere on the map

[spark horizon]

My opinion of reporting on C-D is a opinion. C-D being notoriously reckless zone is a fact

[fluid wolf]

in some european countries the additional orange is added to give you like 1-2 seconds to get ready to drive off.

Many abuse it and just start driving at the orange anyway

I personally think it's useless, but each to their own ig

[charred flame]

in England we drive wrong side of the road so basically we are driving upside down here and the roundabout we meant to drive on the left but we just cut cross them doing little flights with our cars

[fluid wolf]

upside down driving is reserved to australia

please don't spread misinformation

[charred flame]

we do drive upside down you guys drive on the correct side

[grizzled yew]

and a fact would be my source

[fluid wolf]

fake, this was recorded in america

I already drove right hand drive cars on right hand roads. That is what you call really weird

but u essentially get used to it

[charred flame]

https://tenor.com/view/car-upside-down-funny-gif-21675495

[spark horizon]

Your source still would have said you had time to brake

[grizzled yew]

a half a second, given no variance

[spark horizon]

Sometimes half a second is enough

[grizzled yew]

not on realistic braking intensity, half a second from the other driver befor moving over would have certainly prevented the incident. at the end of the day who executed the unsafe maneuver?

[violet smelt]

Maybe he didnt know that the brake had been invented

From the very begging of the discussion

[charred flame]

Nah it just takes 1 hour for him to reach the brake i mean what?

[spark horizon]

True. He drives on C-D so that explains the inability to slow down

[spark horizon]

Even on "realistic" braking intensity it would have been enough. I've had a similar situation, guess what, avoided collision by braking. Who would have guessed that braking can prevent collisions

[spark horizon]

And that was with the most realistic braking intensity as possible considering that it was real life situation

[grizzled yew]

you can argue semantics all you want, i don't believe so, given the sharp sudden angle of the driver intruding on my lane

[violet smelt]

If his time is so valuable why is he playing this game or arguing with us for 1 hour?

[charred flame]

What no way really?! kidding

[grizzled yew]

nowhere did i claim my time was valuable

[charred flame]

idk you asking wrong person that question

[spark horizon]

He has 656 hours on ETS2, still hasn't founded the brake pedal

[grizzled yew]

at what weight, with what tires, with what axle configuration, with what truck, so many variables too.

[grizzled yew]

sign my profile while you're there

[spark horizon]

Volvo FH4, 6X2, 2+3 axle trailers, 56 tons, in winter so less braking effects and still managed to avoid the collision.

[grizzled yew]

your incident i doubt the driver returned to the lane of travel as quickly as in my case

[spark horizon]

Not logged in, sorry. I know my signature would have meant the world for you. But instead of hoping for my signature, maybe try and find your brake pedal

[spark horizon]

You're right. That was more quickly

Car came in the opposite lane and either the truck collides with the car or me or I brake. Decided to brake

[prime gyro]

This discussion has been incredibly educational, honestly. I never realised the true complexity of pressing a brake pedal. The in-depth analysis of reaction times, braking force, and everyone’s personal driving philosophy has completely changed my perspective. I feel like I just completed a master's degree in Discord Brake Pedal Studies — life-changing stuff, really.

[grizzled yew]

had this happen many times. not your responsibility to brake at the end of the day

[charred flame]

i agree

[spark horizon]

It is by law your responsibility to avoid the accident as best as you can

[grizzled yew]

which would be by staying home. driving comes with risk.

[spark horizon]

Good. Stay off the road thank you. You obviously only think about you, you and more you. There are other people on the road. By thinking about others as well, you lower the risk of accidents happening

[grizzled yew]

it's not my job to protect drivers performing unsafe maneuvers.

gonna learn somehow

[spark horizon]

It is your job to anticipate and prevent if possible. It is in the law

[violet smelt]

What should be learned from this discussion

Dont waste time telling someone you realize is wrong that they are wrong

[grizzled yew]

if possible given average rt, was not.

[opal ivy]

110km overtake no looking

[violet smelt]

And no brakes

[spark horizon]

Should we be surprised that he's from the country where the most traffic accident happen

[spark horizon]

News flash, it was possible

[opal ivy]

Defenetly no brakes or no fun

[prime gyro]

1. General Duty of Care (Widely Applied in EU):
   Even if the other driver overtakes dangerously or cuts you off, you are legally expected to take reasonable action to avoid a collision, which may include slowing down. Failing to do so could lead to shared liability in the event of a crash, even if the primary fault lies with the overtaker.

Example: Germany (§1 StVO – basic duty of mutual consideration) requires drivers to behave in such a way that no other road user is harmed, endangered, or obstructed more than unavoidable.

France and Netherlands follow similar civil law principles where both drivers can be apportioned fault in an accident if avoidable action wasn’t taken.

[opal ivy]

I would like to send this to the turks

[spark horizon]

Love how he complains about other not obeying TMP rules while basically saying that he doesn't have to obey them while everyone has to

[violet smelt]

I can do this

[opal ivy]

Will be appreciated

[crisp anchor]

The german traffic road laws are one of the most strict ones as a german i can say that 😭

[charred flame]

yeah imagine not slowing down at all when someone is clearing overtaking you

[grizzled yew]

at what point would I assume a collision was bound to occur? given the steep angle of reentry into my lane, i was not given adequate time to brake

[crisp anchor]

Counts as 2.5

[prime lion]

You honked?

[grizzled yew]

why slow down? they're overtaking because they're going faster

[spark horizon]

Or imagine the other driver who's obviously recklessly overtaking you to not recklessly overtake you

[grizzled yew]

as previously iterated, the rt between horn and brake varies due to the physiological differences between resting on a button that immediately sends a full signal once depressed, vs needing to move my foot to an axis which requires full depression in an emergency scenario. if you read my source, it clearly states the average time when you expect a braking signal to be more in line with your number, and double when not expecting such a scenario.

[opal ivy]

Another thing to tell to the turks

[prime lion]

me when i copy+paste

[violet smelt]

No brakes i always honked yeeesss

[charred flame]

to let them pass to avoid a crash like what happened to you in the video? or am i missing something??

[grizzled yew]

obviously you didn't catch it the first time

[opal ivy]

I love when someone speed up when I'm overtaking and cut me off
Then hitting me with "gg rec ban take rest"

[charred flame]

but but slowing down you have to when someone is overtaking you right?

[spark horizon]

When the truck started to overtake when there's a train gates coming. That would be great time to start slowing down

[prime lion]

I did catch it the first time because it made sense the first time.

[grizzled yew]

not required. if overtaking, you should be going fast enough to safely overtake without requiring the slower driver to slow down

[violet smelt]

What is slow down?? i prefer honked

[charred flame]

Eh? so going fast to make him crash into other player is reasonable gotcha i do the same see if i not get banned for that

[crisp anchor]

As of tmp rules, of you decide to speed up or keep up the speed you can get punished aswell

[spark horizon]

If the overtaking vehicle is about to collide with you, you are required to brake. So yes, you're required to slow down

[grizzled yew]

why would i assume any overtake to be unsafe

[charred flame]

i said slowing down? im so confused

[grizzled yew]

i didn't make anyone crash, that's done on their own volition

[grizzled yew]

not enough time to notice the hazard and respond accordingly

[crisp anchor]

Yes you have to slow down if the traffic situation is unclear and if you see someone overtaking you, rather be safe than be like "nah im just gonna speed up " or so.

[prime gyro]

considering you even slightly steered into them i think you were pretty aware of what was going on

[charred flame]

ah i always slow down when someone is overtaking me i just not do like hard braking just incase someone is behind me

[grizzled yew]

cruise control, didn't speed up

[crisp anchor]

Braking is still a thing.

[crisp anchor]

As it should, avoids any useless conflicts and helps for a "steady" traffic flow.

[spark horizon]

Expect the unexpected. When being overtaken, keep your leg on the brake just in case. Or will it hurt your "fwagiwe wittwe ego "

[grizzled yew]

sorry i don't have perfect hands on my poor wheel, trying to avoid obstacles on the side of the road which i am clearly over the line of in an effort to prevent contact

[violet smelt]

§1.1

Gameplay - Weather settings, seasonal mods, braking and steering sensitivity and any other setting altering game physics.

Your responsible

[grizzled yew]

not sure how this is relevant

[charred flame]

Also in the video it showed you made 0% efforts to slow down while he was overtaking you

[spark horizon]

Braking sensitivity is what you've been bringing up here constantly

[violet smelt]

This message confirms that i was right

[grizzled yew]

right because i am not slowing down because i'm being overtaken, i'm maintaining my speed

[grizzled yew]

sorry, confused how it's relevant to cruise control

[charred flame]

[spark horizon]

#guests message you should read this

[grizzled yew]

haven't read that one myself, i have read real traffic laws

[prime gyro]

if this was a real life situation you would have braked, simple as that. anyone here would have braked or already begun coasting the moment the truck begun the overtake.

[grizzled yew]

would not have, simply not enough time to react accordingly. and why would i coast or brake when someone overtakes? the point of overtaking is they must be moving faster

[inland python]

@grizzled yew I see that you asked if that's worth reporting or not and people already declared their ideas and this discussion keeps going back and forth so I do not see any further point in continuing it. If you want to report then report, if no then leave it there.

[spark horizon]

So you're not even aware of TMP rules yet cry about other not being aware of them

[grizzled yew]

what rule says slow down for overtake

[violet smelt]

Thanks for the ragebait try today though i enjoyed this discussion i hope i can find you here again in the future

[prime lion]

Real life rules, which we also take into account

[spark horizon]

2.5

[plucky galleon]

Well

[grizzled yew]

speeding up to prevent overtakes,
nothing about taking your speed, try again

[plucky galleon]

Not really

[violet smelt]

§2.5 - Reckless Driving*

Driving in a way that is considered unsafe or putting other players in danger. This includes but is not limited to: driving backwards, ignoring traffic lights or road signage, speeding, speeding up to prevent overtakes, racing other users (exception made for in-game racetracks, dragstrips or testing grounds). Driving outside of the map boundaries or in areas that are not covered by the mini map/GPS. Hidden roads which are intentionally part of the map are not included. You can use these roads. In ProMods, you can drive on unlocked roads or paths. Attempting to use desync lag or quick saves in order to cause damage to another user's vehicle. Using the ghost mode feature to go through traffic jams.

[prime gyro]

Rule 2 also mentions "Baiting other players into accidents will not be tolerated and is punishable."

[charred flame]

https://truckersmp.com/rules here if you can not find them

[plucky galleon]

What Friduk said

[spark horizon]

It also includes "This includes but is not limited to" in the rule

[grizzled yew]

not baiting im literally off the road for the guy to pass

[formal pulsar]

and you guys/gals are still going 🥱

[charred flame]

yes sadly

[prime lion]

https://tenor.com/view/pato-fumando-sonfys-pato-fumando-sonfys-gif-5554005238997164974

[grizzled yew]

you're here by choice, don't cry

[violet smelt]

We are arguing with someone who doesnt know the rules from the beginning

[charred flame]

now i understand why you left tmp team

[grizzled yew]

the rules don't require you slow down when being overtaken

[formal pulsar]

No you really don't

[spark horizon]

Yes they do

[inland python]

That's surely not why she did leave

[charred flame]

yes it does!! omg i am closing discord

[formal pulsar]

Dark

[spark horizon]

Literally moderators say that it includes it

[inland python]

[prime lion]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-he's-true-you-know-rage-bait-or-true-gif-4462006678486657666

[charred flame]

fairs

[grizzled yew]

literally what rules, i see the part about speeding up, nothing about slowing down

[violet smelt]

Definitely ragebait but still i enjoyed this

[royal sorrel]

Really? So would that apply to a ban for someone cutting down the hard shoulder at the same as someone passing properly and you move accross to allow them to pass but didn't see the rule breaker?

[charred flame]

you love this not you?

[spark horizon]

Guess you missed the par where it says

but is not limited to

[grizzled yew]

then why include an explanation at all, where in the world requires you to slow down upon being overtaken

[prime lion]

Nah I'm leaving this is 100% ragebait.

[spark horizon]

Literally most of Europe

[prime lion]

You realised you were wrong an hour and a half ago and decided to continue the conversation anyway.

[violet smelt]

Im aware of his purpose and thats why i have been part of this discussion

So.. yess

[grizzled yew]

nowhere have i ever seen you must actively slow down upon being overtaken, unless to prevent a crash, which by the time i could see it about to happen it was too late

[inland python]

@grizzled yew please end this discussion here as you are purely aggravating people even when you got your answer numerous times. Continuation of this will cause further punishments being applied. End of the discussion.

People please do not encourage them nor contribute in this. Thanks.

[grizzled yew]

takes two to tango, guess she got saved by the bell

[violet smelt]

Ragebait and indirect toxicity

[formal pulsar]

Much love, everyone, this one's back to work

[violet smelt]

@formal pulsar

[charred flame]

Take care Lyta

[fast light]

Bout time too

[formal pulsar]

Shush_More

[fast light]

[charred flame]

fly away more like run away

[fast light]

I got no reason to run from Lyta

[charred flame]

[formal pulsar]

I don't bite... Almost never... And those who saw that happen, won't tell

[fast light]

Exactly, plus I can't even run if I wanted to ||as she's in my void ||

[formal pulsar]

[charred flame]

Wait what? this sounds more sussy then me kidding idk what im talking about really

[fast light]

kidding idk what im talking about really
Nothing new about that

[formal pulsar]

more sussy than you? if only it was possible

[charred flame]

Rode!

oh poo responded to the wrong person was meant for Soul_Less

[fast light]

[spark horizon]

Time to go buy some drinks for the weekend

[formal pulsar]

Gonna have a drunk weekend?

[royal sorrel]

Got the weekend off?

[charred flame]

probably need to be after uhm above

[spark horizon]

Hell yeah

[agile sparrow]

hola chat

[spark horizon]

At least I'll try

[formal pulsar]

[royal sorrel]

Nice, I have about 12 days left of work before near 2 weeks of annual holiday

[formal pulsar]

oh. now that's an idea.

* renames her vacation into "annual holiday" *
since i probably won't have any more this year

[royal sorrel]

Almost same dates every year so if I name it annual holiday they can't say anything about refusing it.

[spark horizon]

Bought 48 bottles of pepsi max

Directly from the factorys store

[split canyon]

hola

[jovial crater]

hi!

[visual skiff]

Keep it English only here please

[half chasm]

greetings to all drivers

[wanton canopy]

how about, if someone can speak Klingon?

[verbal ginkgo]

hi

[atomic canyon]

Hello

[abstract kite]

https://tenor.com/view/select-your-language-language-english-traditional-english-simplified-english-gif-9313048488096806230

[sullen gorge]

Hi

[hardy jetty]

Hey, welcome to the server!

[cyan nest]

Hi

[late tusk]

We really need united kingdom the same as realife in ets2

We need Merthyr Tydfil
in ets2

[hardy jetty]

Absolutely, I hope SCS will rework the UK at some point as well, considering all the other reworks they have done/are doing 🇬🇧

[late tusk]

I want scs to do it to single player aswell

We neeed roundabouts more aswell in the like moterways and highways in ets2 in the uk

@hardy jetty we need carmarthen in Ets2

[hardy jetty]

All up to SCS

[late tusk]

mabye theyll do it in the future

[hardy jetty]

Hopefully yes

[late tusk]

I hope the paris map willl change cuz I rlly want the narrow streets and the paris dlc is usless now

[nocturne mountain]

Paris is in the base game...🤔

[tough forum]

Paris is in base game and not even a DLC, indeed.

[charred flame]

it can be if you imagine it

[potent hamlet]

Hello everyone. Do you know how to get the wolf paint for trucks and trailers? Thanks.

[worldly bone]

hi

[lime heron]

if you mean that one, it's a DLC called Ice Cold Paint Jobs or Halloween Paint Job (https://store.steampowered.com/app/266930/Euro_Truck_Simulator_2__Ice_Cold_Paint_Jobs_Pack/)
(https://store.steampowered.com/app/258460/Euro_Truck_Simulator_2__Halloween_Paint_Jobs_Pack/)

[potent hamlet]

Thank you, it's not this painting, normally wolves are lying in the grass

[lime heron]

Have you got any reference image? Or where you have seen it

[potent hamlet]

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/29/5/1752859956-a544cbbf6d6cf43577f3761661b29860825c02df.jpg

I think it's with the DLC - West Balkans

[lime heron]

Yeah... It seems like you can get that if you complete some jobs

[potent hamlet]

ok I'm going to buy the DLC and I'll figure out how to do it then, thank you.

[eager dome]

That’s a community market paintjob, called “Nature’s Embrace”

[potent hamlet]

Yes, I'm looking for the community store, but I can't find where it is.

[austere carbon]

hey there truckers

[royal sorrel]

This one?

[potent hamlet]

yes

[royal sorrel]

Yes it's steam marketplace from the DLC world of trucks event

[potent hamlet]

ok, is this the market? I'm new to steam sorry

https://steamcommunity.com/market/search?appid=753&category_753_Game[]=tag_app_227300

[royal sorrel]

Yes

You can buy or sell in game related things.

[potent hamlet]

I didn't find it

It's good, I found it, it's complicated to find the market, thank you

[lament prairie]

hi

[outer elbow]

hey

[smoky sigil]

hi!

[eager dome]

Hii

[austere oxide]

I'm bored

[wanton canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-chilling-hanging-out-bored-boring-gif-10775725485972067641

[wide rock]

Hey

[tawdry stirrup]

Anyone know why elements isn't showing up?

[eager dome]

Type "g_show_game_elements 1" in console @tawdry stirrup

[tawdry stirrup]

I’ve done that and it still doesn’t work

[eager dome]

It should..

[tawdry stirrup]

I’ll try again, is there anything I need to do after I’ve done that?

[eager dome]

No, it should instantly work

[eager dome]

Head over to a gas station, then enter the following command:

g_show_game_elements 0

If the icon disappears, it means the command is working as intended
To restore the icon, simply enter:

g_show_game_elements 1

[tawdry stirrup]

Okey

[grave warren]

hi

[tawdry stirrup]

I don't need to restart the game or anything?

[eager dome]

Nope

[tawdry stirrup]

i can only see the barriers

[eager dome]

Try verifying your game files

[tawdry stirrup]

Alright

Seems like nothing is working

[surreal tangle]

hi 👋🏽

[raven badger]

heyyy
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[dense forge]

.

[eager dome]

Very funny, right

[raven badger]

idk i liked it

[dense forge]

hey how i can verify?

[worn kestrel]

Hi

[little socket]

Hey @dense forge!

Verification

You can get the Verified role by linking your Discord account with your TruckersMP account.

Click on the server name "TruckersMP",
Select id:linked-roles in the dropdown-menu,
Click on "Verified" (id:linked-roles:1083781004038250546) and follow the steps.

If verification process is successful, you will be given the Verified role, which will grant you access to more channels, posting images, reacting to messages and more!

However, if you cannot complete verification process, open your profile settings at TruckersMP.com and make sure you have the correct Discord linked. If it's not your current one, scroll down further and use "Remove Discord" in your profile settings and add the correct Discord.

[hushed tiger]

hi!

[sonic grail]

Congratulations @silver lantern

[silver lantern]

Thank you! ❤️

[safe dock]

Bro there's a guy blocking the entire highway

[little socket]

Hey @safe dock!

Reporting

You can report players in-game via the TAB-menu or by submitting a web report. Note that additional rules (§1.4) apply to web reports.

Requesting Game Moderators to moderate areas in the game is not allowed here (Rule §2.11 of #discord-rules).

[crisp anchor]

[scenic bluff]

Congratulations

[solar zinc]

[honest minnow]

Wasssup

[light sinew]

Well well

[echo ibex]

hi

jel ima neko sa balkana da igra

[ancient pelican]

hi

[merry rune]

scania s normal roof or scania streamline?

[austere oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-anime-girl-confused-confused-anime-girl-confused-gif-11043332226267312554

What the heck?

[smoky vessel]

What? 😭

[bronze scroll]

hi

[tardy finch]

Wtf

[tardy finch]

Da

[open juniper]

Hey anyone know on how to use a dlc i bought like the skins?

[inland python]

Go to service and pick them as you want for your truck.

Make sure Steam downloaded the DLC first.

[open juniper]

Ah why is my name user smth smth smth?

[inland python]

For being inappropriate.

[open juniper]

How can i see that?

[open juniper]

Oh ill change it

[open juniper]

What do u mean with service?

[surreal oracle]

f7 or repair shop

[surreal oracle]

streamline or R NG
not much of a fan of the S

[daring idol]

Boo

[little socket]

Hey @strange rivet!

We support these mods in TruckersMP <:truckersmpWhite:626540713814786058>

DBus World

:cherry_blossom: Grimes' New Symmer Mod &

The following mods are currently compatible with 1.55:
ProMods Europe
(including the Middle East and The Great Steppe Add-Ons)
Trailer & Company Pack addon is not supported.

ProMods Canada

We do not support other mods and/or Steam Workshop items.

[sly wigeon]

No worries

[little socket]

Hey @strange rivet!

Verification

You can get the Verified role by linking your Discord account with your TruckersMP account.

Click on the server name "TruckersMP",
Select id:linked-roles in the dropdown-menu,
Click on "Verified" (id:linked-roles:1083781004038250546) and follow the steps.

If verification process is successful, you will be given the Verified role, which will grant you access to more channels, posting images, reacting to messages and more!

However, if you cannot complete verification process, open your profile settings at TruckersMP.com and make sure you have the correct Discord linked. If it's not your current one, scroll down further and use "Remove Discord" in your profile settings and add the correct Discord.

[sly wigeon]

And you can verify on the website too

Though being verified on the website isn't a requirement

[fossil finch]

I’m looking for VTC

[fickle heart]

hi

[sly wigeon]

Thare is some in #vtc-advertisement, you can have a look through there

[hasty yoke]

hi

[fossil finch]

It is possible to remove the steam account from the account I’m using in tmp?

[hollow ingot]

hi

[crisp anchor]

No, you would need a new steam account.

One steam account = one tmp account .

You can change the discord account connected to it, but steam account is not possible as far as im aware.

[rocky plaza]

Does anyone know when the alternating vehicles are going to come?

[hardy jetty]

Hey, Add-On is working on it, they experienced some issues. Hopefully soon!

[languid ether]

hi

[ivory yarrow]

hi, what´s the best truck to buy?

[sly wigeon]

Honestly personal preference. Volvo has the highest horse powers

[atomic finch]

Depends what you wanna haul.

[ivory yarrow]

i dont know if i buy scania or volvo

[atomic finch]

Well again, ask yourself.

What types of cargo are you likely to be hauling on ETS2?

Most people say do a few quick jobs and experiment with the diffrent truck types. See what you like the most.

Personally, I prefer Iveco's and DAF's but I drive a little bit of everything.

[narrow fossil]

hi!

[atomic finch]

'sup

[fair totem]

hi!

[wintry crater]

how i can join events?

[nova wharf]

hi

[smoky prairie]

Hi!

[atomic finch]

Just turn up and go.

[halcyon tendon]

hi

[velvet garnet]

How long is the cooldown for "please try again later" trying to make an account on TruckersMP?

Feels like effing ages

[royal sorrel]

Once you make a change to your profile it can take about 30 minutes for the system to catch up

[elfin helm]

sup

[lunar prism]

Hey guys! 🙂

[hardy jetty]

Hey, welcome!

[trail cargo]

ciao

[mellow sluice]

Hello

Anyone can help me?

[royal sorrel]

What is the problem?

[mellow sluice]

I bought a Fan membership from patreon just for to try it if i cancell the membership now is it instantly going or is it going at the time that it should be end

[lime heron]

A patron membership is automatically extended by a month after one month. The amount will be withdrawn automatically. If you cancel it, you will still have the rest of the month of your membership as you have already paid for it. Example: If you buy a subscription on 11.07. and cancel it on 27.07., it will expire on 11.08. It will no longer be extended.

[storm heart]

hello

[mortal bobcat]

Hi

[storm heart]

ı heard that if ı become a patreon will the ban be lifted?

[royal sorrel]

Not true

[storm heart]

some friends bans have been lifted

[royal sorrel]

You don't get special treatment to avoid bans for being patreon

[storm heart]

okey thank you

[regal bloom]

hello im new here

[grim compass]

Welcome 👋

[gusty badge]

Oh

[versed shore]

hay!

[smoky sigil]

Hi!

[plush fjord]

Hi

[stone bridge]

ello

[cerulean palm]

Hi

[loud hazel]

hi

[spiral panther]

hi

[fathom steppe]

Hi

[molten flame]

hi

[signal briar]

hi

[restive hill]

hi

[sly jackal]

hola

[supple canopy]

hi

[pseudo furnace]

hi

[hybrid kiln]

hmm

[visual skiff]

Please keep it to English only here, per #discord-rules. Thanks!

[fallow ermine]

Good Morning Everyone 😄

[prime gyro]

This is not true.

Patron does not give you special treatment.

[crimson cradle]

HI

[royal sorrel]

Thank you for clarifying that.

[halcyon zealot]

Hello

[sand charm]

\

[meager glade]

hi

[hardy jetty]

Hey, welcome!

[strong apex]

prove it

[fast light]

Get patreon then break the rules, then you'll have your proof

[severe whale]

sorry im not donating a fund to furrys

[fast light]

Go back to your swamp then, see if somebody cares

[lofty tulip]

[past ice]

Rude

[severe whale]

how would you know i live at one have you been stalking me ? seems very rude

[fast light]

Who asked you

[past ice]

Urmum

[severe whale]

[past ice]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[fast light]

She would never talk to a low-life liek you, so I highly doubt that

[past ice]

like*

[severe whale]

[fast light]

Don't you haver some weather to whine about?

[past ice]

have*

But the weather is lovely

Don't you have a dictionary to read?

[severe whale]

💀

[past ice]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

[royal sorrel]

As Soul said give it try but when a staff member and a retired also say it then you might not want to waste your time on getting banned with Patreon

[fast light]

I could, but that would remove your precious fun online, since you clearly have nothing better to do

[past ice]

It wouldn't though

[fast light]

Clearly it would

[past ice]

Nope

[severe whale]

yikes did soul less call himself funny?

[surreal cargo]

Hii

[slow oak]

HI

[strong apex]

this chat is a nightmare

[void ocean]

can my patreon be reactivated

[brittle sonnet]

hi!

[prisma geyser]

hii

[tiny mural]

hi!

[grim compass]

Hi!

[brazen wasp]

hi

[strong apex]

What is the best Chinese province

Asking for a friend

[crisp anchor]

There isn't a single "best" Chinese province, as it depends entirely on individual priorities and interests. However, some of the most popular and highly-regarded provinces for various reasons include Guangdong, Jiangsu, Shandong, Sichuan, and Yunnan.

[strong apex]

THanks Chat GPT

[atomic meteor]

im late as hell, but HELL YEAAAAH

gonna be best update of my life 🙏

[strong apex]

Why do people use bots to talk to other humans

[crisp anchor]

No problem, i spared you 3 minutes with searching it myself.

[strong apex]

You wasted your own time, and everyone elses

[crisp anchor]

I got all the time in the world when its weekend, but atleast a thank you would be nice instead of a "thanks chatgp"

[royal sorrel]

Which one is it then?

[strong apex]

Thank you for talking to a bot?

[crisp anchor]

I used google simply

[strong apex]

IE; a bot

Thats okay

[inland python]

If you are currently not talking to a bot then you aren't thanking to a bot.

Getting automodded is wild

[crisp anchor]

Get automodded

[inland python]

Try again with appropriate letters

[strong apex]

lol

its gtta be all caps for effect tho

[steep steeple]

ə

hi

[strong apex]

literary emphasis - you wont get that from a bot

besides sily em dashes

[crisp anchor]

-# Real

[steep steeple]

no

[strong apex]

yes

[crisp anchor]

-# No

[strong apex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-it-out-steve-brule-i-know-agree-yes-gif-3726286245804267218

[violet smelt]

New day new ragebaiter

[crisp anchor]

-# Gif fail

[strong apex]

ill just see myself out

[lofty tulip]

funnybone aint new, Hüseyin 😄

[prime gyro]

🇨🇳 Best province? Depends!
🌄 Yunnan = nature + culture
🌶️ Sichuan = spice + pandas
💰 Guangdong = business hub
🏙️ Shanghai = modern + international
🏞️ Guangxi = epic views
🏯 Shaanxi = ancient history
🥟 Jiangsu = tasty + developed
Choose your vibe!

[crisp anchor]

😭

[strong apex]

there we F***kin go

[crisp anchor]

Thx Mr chatgpt

[strong apex]

right on

[violet smelt]

He can keep us entertained for today

[steep steeple]

THanks Chat GPT

[lofty tulip]

eh.... I can entertain myself skinning my ets2 trailer (which I wont really use xD)

[violet smelt]

Hi Mr. ChatGPT

[strong apex]

nah that aint chat gpt

[steep steeple]

deepseek

[severe whale]

Hi djöh

[steep steeple]

hi joker

[severe whale]

its batman

[strong apex]

fr he shuld chang his name

[steep steeple]

why not robin

[violet smelt]

It might be more entertaining to read the messages of someone who wastes his time in such a community just to ragebait

[lofty tulip]

😂

[severe whale]

Joker is such trash villan