Thanks Coolio & raizo
#programming
willow beacon
slim pendant
@willow beacon https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
Better than any youtube video ever
willow beacon
from discord.ext import commands
from discord import DMChannel
client = commands.Bot(command_prefix = '.')
@client.event
async def on_ready():
print('Bot is ready')
@client.event
async def on_ready():
await client.change_presence(status=discord.Status.online, activity=discord.Game("DM me for help!"))
print('Online')
@client.command()
async def ping(ctx):
await ctx.send(f'Pong! Latency is: {round(client.latency * 1000)}ms')
@client.event
async def on_message(message):
if message.channel.type is DMChannel
async def displayembed():
embed = discord.Embed(
title = 'Thank you for contacting us'
description = a staff member will DM you shortly
colour = discord.Colour.blue()
)
client.run(TOKEN)```
im getting a syntax error on this line: ```message.channel.type is DMChannel``` anyone know whats wrong?
unkempt hamlet
Pro-tip: use ```python for code snippets
willow beacon
yeah i have tried but they only help people who have good knowledge
dapper echo
Ye that's true. Ngl, they don't usually help. They just say it's self explanotary or smthn like that.
willow beacon
well they do help but tell me advanced stuff im not aware abput
Ye that's true. Ngl, they don't usually help. They just say it's self explanotary or smthn like that.
@dapper echo yeah
welp
idk what to do now xD
slim pendant
yeah i have tried but they only help people who have good knowledge
@willow beacon Thats false, the fact that youre not even in the server already tells me that
also why are you importing DMChannel, you already do so by importing discord since its a class
also the is keyword is only checking if a variable is refering to the same object, obviously its not because DMChannel is a type like i said and not an object
willow beacon
@willow beacon Thats false, the fact that youre not even in the server already tells me that
@slim pendant I'm in the discord.py server
slim pendant
you arent in the python server
willow beacon
So should I use == instead of is?
slim pendant
sir youre comparing a type to a object
if isinstance(channelobject, discord.channel.DMChannel):
dapper echo
It's not that easy
slim pendant
im done, not doing this anymore xD
@willow beacon then learn what a type and a object is before trying discord.py
slim pendant
was 1l anyway Β―_(γ)_/Β―
willow beacon
?
slim pendant
?
slim pendant
dapper echo
now i need to get a host
Wait.... you ditched the project, and now you need a host?
willow beacon
i didnt
slim pendant
lmfao
dapper echo
Oh, I read it wrong
willow beacon
Time to push the bot
willow beacon
after 5 hours of coding and more stuff, i have made my first bot 
shadow marsh
nice ^^
willow beacon
mental wedge
And what does your bot do?
willow beacon
its a help bot, so when you enter a command it tells you what to do
such as .apply
and it shows instructions on how to apply
very simple but its a starting point
mental wedge
simple but usefull :)
dapper echo
after 5 hours of coding and more stuff, i have made my first bot :kek:
Noice
unkempt hamlet
willow beacon
grinds my gears
dapper echo
slim pendant
"just learn discord.py first"
@willow beacon I mean, yeah thats what ur supposed to do
learning how classes and general structure of a library is what you need to learn
And lets not forget basic python where i needed to help you for an hour to tell you how to ident a class correctly
willow beacon
lol, tbh you could have done a better job at explaining someone else told me how to do it and I actually understood cause they told me properly
Kept things simple basically
slim pendant
I linked you a video and example code, and you were unable to copy paste them
even after i told you to lookup a tutorial on how idention works
which btw you learn first when learning python
willow beacon
slim pendant
hearty loom
I suggest to learn basic JavaScript then try discord.js, Iβve never used discord.py I should probably learn it. π
unkempt hamlet
Does it matter where to start if you don't know neither of those?
willow beacon
ember canyon
Javascript is bad π
unkempt hamlet
Why?
ember canyon
i dont like it xD dunno why... python, bash, php no problem. but in JS im always doing something wrong π
slim pendant
i dont like it xD dunno why... python, bash, php no problem. but in JS im always doing something wrong π
@ember canyon php is the absolute worst language you can ever write things in
Does it matter where to start if you don't know neither of those?
@unkempt hamlet That wasnt my point, you dont suggest libraries you never used
north flax
Can we not make baseless shitting on languages a trend here?
slim pendant
define "baseless"
north flax
"x is the absolute worst language" with no further context, no arguments, no reasoning, etc.
unkempt hamlet
Shitty 
north flax
Or "Y is bad"
slim pendant
Alright ill do a write up then
north flax
Not that PHP, JS, etc don't have issues, but they have their merits too. For PHP, there's also a huge difference between old and new php.
slim pendant
Im talking about that most things in PHP are just badly made
slim pendant
why cant you initialize variables when you want to, only when it is being used?
php has typecasting but its not type safe?
And when you set a type on a variable which dosent work, it gives you a runtime error instead of the type hinting preventing that
also why does it cast the type to a float when an overflow/underflow happens?
unkempt hamlet
it is up to developer to decide should his implementation be type-safe. You can definitely write type-safe code since v7.
slim pendant
also why is php a mix of case sensitivity and case unsensitivity?
did they not think of a way to style the language atleast?
unkempt hamlet
It is up to developer to deside should you initialize variable or not.
slim pendant
but you literally cannot
its initialized when its being used, not when you define it
also type casting with operators works and dosent work?
unkempt hamlet
PHP has a linear learning curve, so everyone can learn it pretty easy.
slim pendant
so is typescript or javascript 
unkempt hamlet
Yes
slim pendant
or go as example if you want to go full speed
unkempt hamlet
It doesn't make the language worst.
slim pendant
i mean, which actual used language is the worst when it comes to web dev?
unkempt hamlet
And when you set a type on a variable which dosent work, it gives you a runtime error instead of the type hinting preventing that
@slim pendant well, IDE can handle that.
north flax
Also, alienating developers using the language that powers about 78% of the web is a bad idea for any programming idea
slim pendant
yes, the IDE needs to because php cant
north flax
And ye, type hinting is an IDE feature, not a language feature
slim pendant
weird that any other language can
unkempt hamlet
did they not think of a way to style the language atleast?
@slim pendant PHP was build for the purpose of small homepages.
north flax
The language itself doesn't, the IDE or editor does it based on information in the code
slim pendant
And how is that related to the style of the language?
unkempt hamlet
also why is php a mix of case sensitivity and case unsensitivity?
@slim pendant poor management. Remember when PHP 6 was yetted.
slim pendant
unkempt hamlet
:fir_think2: And how is that related to the style of the language?
@slim pendant what's wrong with style?
slim pendant
does php has something like clangd (clang language server)
like i said, case sensivity and case unsensivity
you choose one for a language, you dont use both
unkempt hamlet
Like?
unkempt hamlet
Note: Function names are case-insensitive for the ASCII characters A to Z, though it is usually good form to call functions as they appear in their declaration.
Yes
That's a good answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/46266132
It is a legacy of an old language.
slim pendant
Yes so why use old languages like that / learn it Β―_(γ)_/Β―
when you already know its a mess
unkempt hamlet
Do you need to have a completely new language every 3-5 years just because your old language makes something wrong?
Wrong in air quotes
unkempt hamlet
Usually, when language tries to do everything right, it goes completely wrong and resulted language has a steep learning curve.
It goes academic all of a sudden
Not the language makes you a good programmer, but your knowledge of that language.
unkempt hamlet
Like?
slim pendant
go,ts,js,py,c
unkempt hamlet
Bruh
slim pendant
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
ember canyon
php is still a good language to learn.
willow beacon
Ive finally completed my bot
im very pleased with it
took away a lot of my braincells but yeah xD
and i know a lot more discord.py now xD
dapper echo
"Completed" ? Imo you can't "complete" a bot. As you can always upgrade it and add more stuff into it.
willow beacon
well
By completed i mean everything i wanted is done
Obviously i will further improve it
Also did you figure out how to put emojis?
unkempt hamlet
<#emoji-id>
willow beacon
i just copy paste the universal emoji
unkempt hamlet
Iirc
unkempt hamlet
It is Unicode :)
slim pendant
but PY
compared to php, yes
quartz moth
I think to get the emoji you put a \ in front of the emoji if Im not mistaken
willow beacon
Yeah I know but I saw Lin asking how to do it and now I actually know so I wanted to help him :)
dapper echo
Wot?
dapper echo
Also did you figure out how to put emojis?
Ooooh I remember now. Yes.
willow beacon
π
high sorrel
lol guess who just spent over an hour to realise that the issue with my code was a 0 instead of a 1?
dapper echo
I donβt know. Maybe you?
high sorrel
Yup π
plain ore
emojis:
for normal custom emojis: <:NAME:ID>
for animated emojis: <a:NAME:ID>
as demonstrated
queen spear
Hello
dapper echo
Hello
willow beacon
hollow lion
When are developer gonna making Whole Europe finish ? π On Muliplayer ?
unkempt hamlet
willow beacon
silver moon
ember canyon
:d
hollow lion
ok π
wet kite
Hey, could anyone link me to an api for the game? I'm looking to create a delivery log bot
cinder spear
@wet kite I believe this is what you're looking for: https://modding.scssoft.com/wiki/Documentation/Engine/SDK/Telemetry
wet kite
cool ty
cinder spear
is it drunk driving, if the programmer of the self-driving vehicle was drunk when writing the code?
ember canyon
Hahahaha
opal arch
Twitter
dapper echo
unkempt hamlet
shy haven
I'm looking for a Steam API (json pls) with a list of owned DLCs.
cinder spear
shy haven
@shy haven https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/webapi/IPlayerService#GetOwnedGames
@cinder spear Your endpoint don't have a dlc ;/
(checked with Baltic Sea DLC AppID on screen)
cinder spear
oh, I don't remember then
unkempt hamlet
I don't think it is available in public API
Yes, it is available via partner private API
shy haven
Oh... thanks for answer guys.
unkempt hamlet
cdnjs is back babyyyy https://blog.cloudflare.com/migrating-cdnjs-to-serverless-with-workers-kv/
ocean mural
Laravel is not fun. Change my mind
unkempt hamlet
Any justification?
ocean mural
I am new to it.
unkempt hamlet
Bruh
ocean mural
but yeah I guess it doesn't matter which language you trying to learn. The start is always hard.
mossy cloud
Good luck @ocean mural ! I recommend Laracasts if you're getting started, I found them really helpful
unkempt hamlet
Models? Controllers? Views?
ocean mural
I got that already.
unkempt hamlet
Ah
ocean mural
I will do the frontend later. Backend first. I started building all things I need static and now Im slowly moving everything into functions.
unkempt hamlet
Models and Controllers are backend
unkempt hamlet
I don't quite understand that sentence, but ok. It's up to you after all.
ocean mural
I had to create Controllers in order to moving between the different sides. For example website/test1 or website/test2/?name=joe
unkempt hamlet
Controller is usually a layer between View and Model (in general)
ocean mural
As I said, Im new to it.
But for now its weekend.
Thank you for your help of course. 
unkempt hamlet
No problem, that's what this chat is for.
ember canyon
What's good to Laravel, I mean what's the pros ?
unkempt hamlet
- Expressive, elegant syntax
- Many concepts and features out of the box
- Good starting point for those who started to learn PHP in depth
- Good documentation
- Helpful community
quartz moth
I started learning laravel but I never fully got into it. I might go back and have another go at it
opal arch
A very good thing about Laravel is its "eco system". There are many official libraries and much more community ones
ember canyon
So Laravel is like NodeJs but for PHP and doesn't make BlackHole called ./node_modules
mossy cloud
No it just renames that vendor π
unkempt hamlet
To be fair, it is not that big if a deal that node_modules
And not specific to Laravel
cinder spear
vendor is also there in Go
raw notch
laravel is the only thing make PHP acceptable :D
unkempt hamlet
Symfony? Yii? Phoenix?
cinder spear
vanilla PHP has its uses too
unkempt hamlet
Phalcon?
sharp hinge
Heya folks
mossy cloud
Heya π
sharp hinge
Howβs it all going?
unkempt hamlet
Smoothly
mossy cloud
Getting there, it's updating day π
shadow marsh
looks awesome π
mossy cloud
Team Fortress 2?
mossy cloud
π
shadow marsh
I am stupid again π
lone fjord
hey
shadow marsh
can believe that π
unkempt hamlet
Bruh
unkempt hamlet
It won't be that long of a step away 
willow beacon
yes i totally know what you guys are talking about
dapper echo
CJ, how is developing bugs doing? 
willow beacon
dapper echo
queen spear
hello
dapper echo
Hey
high sorrel
Howdy π€
unkempt hamlet
Happy 256th day, programmers!
shadow marsh
You too 
sharp hinge
yes i totally know what you guys are talking about
@willow beacon hehe
Happy day!
I should probably learn some more JS
willow beacon
i should probably learn some more py
rigid niche
@mossy cloud Do I see a pterodactyl pannel in that photo from the 9th? π€’
shadow marsh
Yes you do
mossy cloud
Yep :)
unkempt hamlet
Moment.js is now a legacy project. Use Luxon.
https://momentjs.com/docs/#/-project-status/
ember canyon
577 Contribs... wow
shadow marsh
For all who are coding discord bots (preferable with Java JDA) - does the bot have a maximum length for the fields I can add? As you can see down there I am missing a field. (Users can write up to 2000 Chars in one Message, have Bots also such a limit or have Embeds such a limit and I have to split it up in more embeds (and messages then) ?
TIA^Maurice
cinder spear
I would strongly consider just a normal list for checkboxes like that... That embed is not easy to decipher quickly
shadow marsh
What do you mean exactly, 3v? And dowmeister - is the limit on 2000 Chars or different? π
cinder spear
I mean it took me a minute before I noticed there was normal text fields in the mix too.
shadow marsh
hm, so I should do a normal text like we write here
cinder spear
would likely be easier to read at a glance
shadow marsh
how would you do it?
Like that:
Role Create 
Role Delete
Role Update Name 
Role Update Hoisted
and so on
cinder spear
probably putting the emoji first but something like that
shadow marsh
ah okay ^^ thanks for ur help, really appreciate it 
mossy cloud
PHP Laravel:
I'm trying to do a query of all approved VTC jobs to a certain location.
$MissionJobs = VTCJob::where(
[
['endinglocation', '=', $Mission->MissionDestination],
['status', '=', 2]
]
)->get();
However, I want to only get jobs submitted by our Simulation drivers in this query.
Normally I can access this through a belongsToMany relationship on my User class
public function roles()
{
return $this->belongsToMany(Role::class)->withTimestamps()->orderBy('position','desc');
}
Does anyone have any ideas of how I can only include the jobs from drivers with a certain role please?
Almost as if to say:
$MissionJobs = VTCJob::where(
[
['endinglocation', '=', $Mission->MissionDestination],
['status', '=', 2],
[User->hasRole, '=', 'idnumber']
]
)->get();
VTCJob::with('user')->where(... I believe
mossy cloud
Thanks, will look at the docs for with and go from there :)
opal arch
->with('user') is for eager loading iirc. For queries in relations, you need to use ->whereHas(): https://laravel.com/docs/8.x/eloquent-relationships#querying-relationship-existence
So something like:
use Illuminate\Database\Eloquent\Builder;
VTCJob::where(...)->whereHas('user.roles', static function (Builder $query) use ($role) {
$query->where($role->getKeyName(), $role->getKey());
})->get();
The nested relation user.roles should work considering both relations are correctly defined
Better to make a scope query method for it, though π
mossy cloud
Done it π
[
['endinglocation', '=', $Mission->MissionDestination],
['status', '=', 2]
]
)->whereHas('DriverDetails.roles', static function (Builder $query) {
$query->where('id', env('SIMULATION_DRIVER_ROLE_ID'));
})->get();```Thanks for all the help guys π
tardy smelt
Also I would use constant for your status so you won't get typo in your query
Example: const STATUS_APPROVED = 1; in your VTCJob class
And than you would be able to do this ['status', '=', VTCJob::STATUS_APPROVED]
slim pendant
@plain ore I just wanted to inform you that i have responded to https://github.com/iraizo/truckersmp.ts/issues/47
plain ore
π gmail notified me as well
glad to see it not be abandoned
fun, lets hope it doesnt hang like every other time
π
otherwise i gtg and manually install msvs
Thank god it finished
slim pendant
glad to see it not be abandoned
@plain oreim working on improving it and adding trucky api
plain ore
I saw, great job π
pallid garden
unkempt hamlet
https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2020/09/28/code-with-me-eap/
oooooooooooooo
north flax
Nice :p
https://radar.cloudflare.com/
shadow marsh
So, I moved my settings-embed to plain text, but I think with a nice formation. What do you think?
cinder spear
I'd try replacing the - with the 
but looks pretty good as is.
and 
cinder spear
I meant just moving the checkmark to the start of the line and using it as the -
mossy mural
Hello everyone
I have a question how do I display all my friends on the map if I have data about them every 10 seconds in x y format .
I want to have an online map where I can view my friends online.
shadow marsh
mossy mural
Yes, I know about this service.
but I want to display it myself, draw it on the map image. Are there any examples of solutions already?
sacred mason
Yep, wait i can send you my own if itβs the right youβre looking for.
http://ets2map.com/?follow=2105641 https://web.truckyapp.com/map?follow=2105641
The numbers are your TMPID, one is the service of TMP and the other is from Trucky
unkempt hamlet
Are you sure you're in the right chat?
maiden cradle
ya, developer chat i thought meant anything to do with development,
unkempt hamlet
What this video has to do with development?
maiden cradle
development with using video editors
unkempt hamlet
It is video editing, not development
maiden cradle
where should i post this
high sorrel
so apparently my government is using Excel spreadsheets to track positive cases in our country... the file got too big so they missed nearly 16k cases, but it's alright now because they're splitting the spreadsheets into batches
sick anvil
π
gloomy root
Hey, How do I turn a file with node js into exe. Can you tell me how it was done
unkempt hamlet
You can't do that without 3rd party V8 engine executable, like Electron
gloomy root
Can you tell me in detail?
high sorrel
There's a couple of npm packages you can use to pack it into an .exe file but they're not amazing unless it's for command line or background stuff. If you want a real app for users you can use electron. Electron uses node.js and essentially lets you create an app as if it was a website, like what Discord does :)
cinder spear
depending on your needs, there is also vercel/pkg
high sorrel
I think i've used pkg before actually haha
lilac aurora
dapper echo
hearty loom
Oh congrats guys!
willow beacon
raw notch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565204808051589154/763849555598639185/unknown.png
funniest function I've ever done
shadow marsh
lmao
is_not_weeeeee_ing
xDDD
that's literally the funniest method name I've ever seen 
but to be honest, sometimes I also call some methods funny (and cant find them then in other classes )
shadow marsh
xD
high sorrel
lmao
high sorrel
me: "alright guys i made this thing, don't break it"
first person to test it: breaks it by spamming AAAAAAAA
shut umbra
Good Night everyone π
thin patrol
.
ember canyon
unkempt hamlet
Describe "best"
shut umbra
I'm sorry I threw it in the wrong place...
shadow marsh
Hello, I already asked that in here but I gave it up. Now I want to take a look onto it again.
I want to request something from a REST-API. To be exact the one where my radio is hosted.
API: https://api.laut.fm/station/redifm
I want to get the name from current_playlist here ^.
And here I want to get the Artist Name (-> https://api.laut.fm/station/redifm/current_song )
Title and Album I already have and that works very very well. Just not the Artist and Playlistname not.
Method: https://pastebin.com/mBEqVXwz
PS: I'm limited to google's JSON API, I can't use other API's (unfortunately) and the language is JAVA
TIA^Maurice
shadow marsh
I could have solved that. Thanks anyway
olive eagle
Hereβs a possible implementation of that, if you may still need it: https://pastebin.com/kpRHXhZk
toxic turtle
Hoi fellas,
Got a weird question here.
I have choosen to swap webhost to my own service, and added a custom mailserver both linked for my domain, but when enabling Full SSL, the webmail.example.com goes Down with βerror too many redirectsβ. And when setting it to Flexible (Strict) it Opens back up but then disables the main webserver at example.com
The webservers are running NGINX, how am i gonna fix this? Iv been using the last few hours on Google and tried alot of solutions but nothing seems to fix the issue..
(Cloudflare DNS)
cinder spear
too many redirects sounds like cloudflare and nginx both try to correct each other in a loop
e.g. cloudflare listening for https, talking to nginx in http but getting a response to redirect to https
quick glen
toxic turtle
Hmm okay im gonna try to read that when i get home from work, thanks!
rugged copper
If I remember correctly, in order for Full SSL to work, you need to also have an SSL certificate configured on your server. Using something like Let's Encrypt should help with the job
hearty loom
Yeah you do
toxic turtle
That is my problem, i got 2 CA certificates on my server & in my nginx config, my www.mydomain.com works but it wont activate the sub.mydomain.com, i managed to fix the "webserver is down" by installing the CA certificates, and change cloudflare from Full to Full (Strict), both certificates are correct now but it say it says that the sub.domain.com is invalid
naive yarrow
Are you sure that the certificate for the sub.domain.com is correct?
opal arch
naive yarrow
shadow marsh
C++ seems pretty difficult on what I can see in the pictures 
somber linden
It all comes to the developer. You can have very clean code if the person who writes it, wants other to be able to read it π . I've written some C++ code that I couldn't read 3 weeks after I wrote it.
opal arch
high sorrel
I think I already know the answer to this one, but I just wanted to ask in case I've missed something -- is there any way at all to find out how many hours someone has been playing in multiplayer/singleplayer alone, rather than the full playtime for the game as a whole? I don't think there is, but I thought I'd ask anyway π
shadow marsh
Do you store the time when joining and leaving the server? If so, then you can calculate the time between joining and leaving
unkempt hamlet
I don't think we need that because a) this information is stored for 3 months only per our Privacy Policy b) it will be highly inaccurate since we don't have it enabled since day 1.
opal arch
"I don't think we need that" are probably not the best picked words. But CJ is right in why it's not possible right now
shadow marsh
high sorrel
alrighty, didn't think so, thanks CJ π
unkempt hamlet
That was my point of view on that anyway.
I don't think TruckersMP needs that because it contributes to nothing and will show inaccurate numbers.
spark scarab
What's the best api to make a job logger?
spark scarab
Can that be used in C#?
unkempt hamlet
Yes
spark scarab
Okay sweet can I have a link please to it?
unkempt hamlet
unkempt hamlet
I don't know, consult the documantation
quick glen
@spark scarab You cant use C# directly with the game's sdk. The game and its sdk is written in C++. You need to write/use some sort "intermediate" dll written in C++ to handle the communication between the sdk and your c# application
Or, in theory you might be able to use something like this package to do it all in C# https://www.nuget.org/packages/UnmanagedExports
spark scarab
Aha nice thanks π
If I can get it sorted I'm thinking to make a really nice job logger and VTC driver hub as I'm a website developer.
cinder spear
you don't need a separate package for it, but you do need to write the method definitions with their C bindings
toxic turtle
anyone here with experiences on Wordpress/SMTP server? I keep having troubles connecting my wordpress server to my mailserver -_-
trail vector
Shouldn't this return true (c#). Or am I being stupid?
shy swan
shadow marsh
Nooo... pls not 
cinder spear
if that ends up holding up in court it'll open a whole can of worms
unkempt hamlet
Level 500 of troll
https://github.com/github/dmca/tree/25cdace60ac64788a4853d33d9fa48c5338f7249
Full youtube-dl source in Github's DMCA repo
ember canyon
Is it possible for me to become a developer for TruckersMP?
unkempt hamlet
What is your experience in any development?
ember canyon
I am a developer for FiveM i can code just normal Vid game developing
unkempt hamlet
What is your main coding language?
ember canyon
Java script
unkempt hamlet
Too bad, TruckersMP uses C++/Assembly
ember canyon
Ehh i triedπ€£
fervent axle
I've developed a 404 error page, my main coding language is html, can I join? 
inner elbow
I made a HTML website, can i join?
ember canyon
FiveM is just HTML/JS/LUA
Otherwise I'm a batch developer
I know a command that can boost your server by 300%
Can I join ?
gloomy root
How do I exe something with Node Js?
opal arch
unkempt hamlet
oof
Already forked by well-known PHP developers: https://github.com/FakerPHP/Faker
gentle bronze
big nub at Python here. What am I doing wrong? I'm trying to get the the zero's marked in red count up by one for each line
gentle bronze
so what should I change for it to work?
Sorry I'm a huge noob in Python, so I don't really know much
unkempt hamlet
Move the initializations out of the loop
gentle bronze
Like this?
quartz moth
Also f-strings are your friend 
unkempt hamlet
No, only end and idNumber
green forge
unkempt hamlet
green forge
unkempt hamlet
Don't boolie me
high sorrel
Sorry β€οΈ
mild swallow
I'd like to know if it's possible to use the TruckersMP Oauth, like logging in with truckermp account
mild swallow
Hmm ok, thanks
north flax
Never got so far as to roll it out to the public π
But when the only functions of it would be to log a user in and get their id and username, Steam OAuth is functionally the same
high sorrel
Although I think you'd still need to make sure the user knows that you're getting their TMP info as well as their Steam stuff π probably the best thing to do lol
north flax
The website using Steam OAuth should make that clear, yes
Though the information available is just the public profile
(Though, you can argue that TMP should possibly have more privacy settings there)
high sorrel
This is actually relevant to me at the moment, I'm about to start hooking things up with Steam and TruckersMP data so this is useful π
cinder spear
worth noting steam auth gives access to more stuff on steam end that's not always ideal
north flax
It does ye. As a general rule developers should limit the scopes they request to what they need, and even if they get the information they should avoid storing it if they don't need to
Both as a principle, but also to take into account things like GDPR, and minimizing the stored data
high sorrel
alrighty π
unkempt hamlet
Why developers can't distinguish between Halloween and Christmas?
Because oct 31 === dec 25
shadow marsh
high sorrel
Lol
fervent axle
π¬
shy swan
cinder spear
I can finally uninstall twitter 
high sorrel
imagine if it just randomly took a screenshot of your code and put it on a story
unkempt hamlet
high sorrel
Lol
willow beacon
Is that scratch? 
north flax
Has TMP (or anyone here) had a poke at Livewire? https://laravel-livewire.com/
Looks like it could be a decent hybrid to have more interactivity in apps, and get benefits of server side rendering and easy fetching of data without needing to reload pages each time
unkempt hamlet
We've looked at it, it has a great potential.
ember canyon
uff it's really nice
cinder spear
Tools like Vue and React are extremely powerful, but the complexity they add to a full-stack developer's workflow is insane.
quartz moth
I forgot 3v left as the retired colour is kinda similar 
opal arch
It is true, though. Livewire should be easy to use, and seems to be easy to learn, too
cinder spear
not arguing that, but saying Vue/React add "insane" complexity to full-stack development
quartz moth
Is there any major reason you haven't implemented it yet as a trial?
opal arch
It adds insane complexity to such a huge project as ours is. Maybe we will test it out soon on something new, who knows
cinder spear
if adding now yeah, definitely. React is big enough a piece that it should be there from the beginning or not at all, but React/Vue aren't complex. They're just different and you need to think about them differently.
Traditional websites like TMP are multiple individual pages that contain themselves as far as the frontend is concerned while React/Vue and the like span the entire application.
With reactive frameworks the frontend builds and defines the full experience while the backend simply supports it by providing the data flows, the APIs to access and modify stored or synchronized data.
It massively simplifies the backend since it doesn't need to know anything about how data is presented.
Not something I'd advocate plugging into TMP since it's very different, but it's not "insanely complex"
unkempt hamlet
iirc I am the only one experienced enough to work with Vue in the team, so it is not viable. Livewire, in other hand, doesn't add much new stuff outside framework scope, so it must be more accessible for Laravel developers.
cinder spear
That's definitely true.
I just found the sales pitch in the link completely ridiculous
unkempt hamlet
It is highly subjective imo
As like a programming language we're using
I want to move all our stuff to Elixir or IHP to make it more robust and highly scalable/maintainable, but it doesn't make much sense.
mild swallow
you're using laravel currently, right?
north flax
The TMP website and api uses Laravel, ye
shadow marsh
shadow marsh
No what? 
Pinging a developer without a reason? Yeah... no 
I will give me today a try to read a tutorial to get a good frontend developer. Any Ideas?
unkempt hamlet
He asked me to help writing the code, I refused
shadow marsh
Ah
Do you have any good sites where I can start to get a frontend developer? With a good tutorial? 
As my team needs still a frontend one and noone wants to help
meager spoke
I wanted to get into website deving too
I gave up after 5 mins of frontend tutorial
unkempt hamlet
It is based on what tech you wanna use
misty shore
You just have to love programming ... π
When Eryk from SCS Software once broadcast code creation on Twitch, I grabbed my head ...
shadow marsh
Well, I love coding. I really love to code in Java - but I want to learn webdevelopement - but more frontend π
https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/from-zero-to-front-end-hero-part-1-7d4f7f0bff02/ What do you think about this article?
unkempt hamlet
Any code will be somewhat easy to look through if it is written that way.
I saw a newest TMP code snippets, they are easy to understand despite the fact I don't know C++.
shadow marsh
Well, then π
Sooo - which IDE to code in Webdevelopment can you recommend me? Should be free π
raw notch
why React adds insane complexity to full stack dev?
unkempt hamlet
You can start with Visual Studio Code
raw notch
(oh sorry I'm 1 day late)
shadow marsh
Visual Studio Code - oki thanks
unkempt hamlet
I've started with Sublime Code 2 (3), I missed its responsiveness, but it lacks updates
meager spoke
I use VSC as well
shadow marsh
Well, I "just" want to do webdevelopement, dowmeister - I don't understand c++ and or .net
raw notch
Chris your opinion is clueless as you are a bad dev :D
unkempt hamlet
I use PhpStorm for both front and back
meager spoke
raw notch
fervent axle
I use Notepad++ ( I'm joking, as an original person, I use VSC )
fluid dawn
heya
tardy smelt
PHPStorm is the way to go 
fervent axle
PHPStorm is the way for rich people π₯²
quartz moth
Educational licence 
unkempt hamlet
Edu license is a godsent.
north flax
Haven't used PHPStorm in so long. Not using PHP much nowadays in general
ember canyon
For rich people oh yeah
Very helpful https://www.learncpp.com/ and this https://www.learnjavaonline.org/
mild swallow
I know i am late but, for those that want to start webdev i recommend all of this (in order): HTML, Css, Js and then you can start learning some frameworks, like reactjs, angular, vuejs etc.. the places i recommend to learn, is on freecodecamp, reading the docs watch some tutorials, and practice a lot.
shadow marsh
I need help in something - maybe I am too blind or just too stupid.
Is it possible to get &/ set a List<String> in a table in MySQL (Java -> java.sql.preparedstatement) ? And yes, how? google is just putting out stupid things
mild swallow
let me see if i understood, you have a List<String> and you want to store his values in a MySQL database. is that correct?
and get the sql result and store in a list
shadow marsh
Exactly - and I also want a method for GETTING the value back into a arraylist
I mean, I know, how to update/insert/get things
but I don't think it works here the same way
green forge
Maurice
shadow marsh
Ape 
mild swallow
see if this helps: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18134561/how-to-insert-list-products-into-database
shadow marsh
hmmm, imma check this out π
prisma robin
Hello here π
I'm looking for the video of that TruckersMP use when the website is in Maintenance, some years ago when TruckersMP Website was in maintenance there was a video at the main page, but impossible to find the name or the link of this video, someone know this vid?
Thanks a lot π€
And I use Ubuntu 16.04 so it's could be okay for meh CJMAXIK :p
unkempt hamlet
It is called Percussive Maintenance
prisma robin
Thank you so much ^-^
mossy cloud
I'm considering moving from OVH due to reliability. Anyone got any recommendations?
Our current plan
VPS 2018 SSD 2(Current model)
Processor:
1 vCore
RAM:
4 GiB
Storage:
40 GiB
(Β£ 5.99 ex. VAT/month)
Does anyone have anything around that price point? (With around same performance please)
cinder spear
going to have a hard time finding 4GB instances with that price.. most platforms want twice that. The ones I generally recommend checking out for cheap instances would be lightsail, digital ocean, scaleway and... ovh.
fwiw my ovh server has had only 2 outages in 5 years. A short one that resolved within minutes and a longer one when a switch blew up that took a few hours
unkempt hamlet
Yeah, 4 gigs are not that popular for this price range. I have Hetzner with similar config but 2 vCPU for 5.68 euros
raw notch
@mossy cloud try Netcup
mossy cloud
I'll have a look at those, thanks guys :)
cinder spear
oh I forgot about hetzner
unkempt hamlet
cinder spear
shadow marsh
@mossy cloud Also I can recommend PHP-Friends - they have strong Servers though (and are pretty cheap in my eyes) π
mossy cloud
Thanks :)
rugged copper
I know someone else has mentioned it but I can also recommend Netcup and it looks like they have a plan similar to what youβre after https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/vps.php
north flax
Netcup's prices seem pretty decent, really
Their reviews on other sites look pretty bad though
unkempt hamlet
It is almost identical to Hetzner, to be honest, but latter is more credible
north flax
Ye. Based on the reviews, DO, Scaleway and Hetzner all seem like better choices
unkempt hamlet
I still have my OpenSource Developer credit on Hetzner
north flax
I haven't ever used them, actually
Currently I don't host much, so only using a cheap DO droplet for a chat bot or two
Did use Scaleway before that, but switched to DO when the instance type I used was scheduled to be removed
unkempt hamlet
sour totem
F
ember canyon
Which language should i learn as a beginner?
unkempt hamlet
Depends on what do you want to achieve
raw pebble
Best languages to learn are Deutsch and Eng
shadow marsh
I am pretty sure Sbinnotto07 means coding languages
meager spoke
Almost like it's a channel for developers
unkempt hamlet
unkempt hamlet
Well, you can, but there specific matters are discussed
Often on a very serious note
raw pebble
Roger that.
raw notch
https://usefathom.com/blog/ddos-attack
while working at an e-commerce, we got attacked multiple times. sometime with a so big amount of traffic that our provider can't substain it.
after some days, arrived a request of bitcoins to make the attack stop. we didn't pay.
and did two things: got cloudflare paid plan and built a bgp tunnel with Kaspersky.
now that infrastructure accepts connections only via cloudflare and CF get all the traffic.
as e-commerce, attacks go from September to January
CF is for level 6 and 7, Kaspersky for low levels. they can clean the traffic
money spent for these solution are much less than be offline for days
mental wedge
Anyone of you guys experienced with making discord bots?
shadow marsh
Yeah - what's up?
mental wedge
I am trying to make a dynamic help command but it gives me an error I can't figure out haha
shadow marsh
dynamic help?
mental wedge
yep, a help command which automaticly displays information about all your commands without you having to hard code every command in it
unkempt hamlet
Commando has this feature by default
mental wedge
mental wedge
unkempt hamlet
We are using this for Botdottir
this.client.registry.commands.clone().sort(this.sortCommands).forEach((command: Command) => {
[...]
}
π€
opal arch
not according to https://discordjs.guide/command-handling/adding-features.html#c...
That is just Discord.JS, not Commando
I recommend you to check some framework built upon Discord.JS
mental wedge
will do
ember canyon
while working at an e-commerce, we got attacked multiple times. sometime with a ...
oof ^^ i hate script kiddi attacks against E-Commerce... our own shops are not that targeted the last years but some of our customers but god bless... most of them are just script kiddis trying bad injections that most times are not working π
raw notch
no i m not talking about script kiddies
ember canyon
it is quite fun when they send out their bots trying wordpress injections in shopware sites... ^^ well... try it π but here and then u also get some really well known guys trying to get into your databases
in case of DDoS attacks it depends very much on how big the attack is
raw notch
big enough to make one of the biggest Italian provider fail
ember canyon
luckily we had more DoS attacks than DDoS attacks and the DDoS attacks were just smaller ones we easily could handle in a few hours using our own firewalls
raw notch
10mb/s? 100 maybe?
ember canyon
the peak i was handling as admin had slightly over 100gbps
raw notch
and firewall didn't crash?
raw notch
so you didn't handled it :)
ember canyon
we needed some extra routing tricks in the backbone and set up some balancing into a few firewalls to stil get stable network traffic that took some hours ye
raw notch
indeed, bgp tunnels save in these cases
ember canyon
ye but we are mostly doing just IBGP not EBGP
we got no own datacenter but some housing in different german datacenters and only in FRA we got own backbone connections
but about what pingu asked π when u get problems with ddos, never use OVH π they'll just cut your servers off
netcup is a quite good provider technically, but they use hetzners datacenters thats why they got could connections in case for uplinks
hetzner has not thaaaaat good vps services, their cloud services are still ok, but prices are quite high, buth their dedicated servers are state of the art, no matter if in germany norway or russia
we still have over 20 machines at hetzner cos they are really good
unkempt hamlet
Their cloud is really top-notch
ember canyon
the newer cloud is way better than their old VPS offers ye
but everything higher than ~20 euro/month you could also get one of their decicated servers (like from their server auctions) and build your own virtual machines
like, i7, 2x3TB and 16GB RAM for under 30 euro/mth π
we use their SX-Line for some backup servers and a few Dell machines for some hosting solutions, just amazing
i was laughing about the "load balancing" features for the cloud products π but hey, its an amazing feature for API driven projects
ember canyon
i can't really talk about netcup π cos i worked for them π most of the SCP backend comes from my hand in case of firewall management etc
ember canyon
they changed many things since im gone cos new design etc... the first version were quite interesting cos we build everything from scratch
gentle bronze
I've seen a lot of good sales on programming courses Udemy right now. Which language would you guys recommend me to learn? I have close to no experience, apart from some Python experience, but that's not much. I've considered Python or Lua so far, but what would you guys recommend?
unkempt hamlet
Python is a good start
gentle bronze
Alright, thanks
cinder spear
nice to see PHP getting rid of more of the bad parts
unkempt hamlet
I also like that landing page, very descriptive and user-friendly
Nullsafe operator is a godsent for Laravel, no more optional() and null checks
north flax
Now let me have nullable and non-nullable types, with good logic that's aware of whether a nullable type is still able to be null at any point in the code
graceful belfry
Yo so im looking to integrate a twitch now live thing in my discord bot and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction. I use discord.js-commando
unkempt hamlet
- Check for presence activity type
STREAMING - Send a message to a channel
north flax
Damn, things popping up actually making me miss Laravel a bit. Haven't used it in so long π
unkempt hamlet
pulsar jungle
I tried Clockwork 5. It's actually quite useful.
visual walrus
pulsar jungle
PHPStorm 2020.3 releases today https://twitter.com/phpstorm/status/1334175192638173187
Twitter
delicate wyvern
Unplug and check everything seated correctly, you could also try taking ram out and refitting in different slots
And cough #tech
vocal heron
Hold down f2 when starting
jade viper
And
raw notch
https://aws.amazon.com/ru/blogs/aws/new-use-mac-instances-to-build-test-macos-io...
based on my experiences, virtualized macos are purely shit, running xcode on them is an hell
slow at unusable level
graceful belfry
1. Check for presence activity type `STREAMING`
2. Send a message to a channel
I see. However im not sure where to start with that. Do i do a loop function to keep checking the api for the now live feature? Or is there an easier method.
unkempt hamlet
Events 
shadow marsh
I guess, today I learned something new and it's not really bad 
Image Manipulation. It worked on my first try though
I just took the wrong x,y position, but the bot wrote the text on it
unkempt hamlet
cinder spear
the wonders of imagemagick
used to dynamically build cached stat images for a game server years ago
shadow marsh
well, first now I am trying around (and probably mess around xD ) - then I will change the code (and the pre-image) accordingly for my bot for level-up messages :3
sour totem
great
shadow marsh
yeaaahno.... finally the bot downloads the avatar π thought I will never get this running 
shadow marsh
finally I got my text aligned correctly, using my own font according to that we use in the community and the avatar is also now in correct position
rugged copper
For those who are just starting out with Laravel and looking for an easy dev environment to get them started, Laravel Sail might be of interest π https://github.com/laravel/sail
quick glen
Docker runs completely fine within WSL2? You do not even need the windows version of docker for it. You can just use native docker directly in WSL2.
(Docker for windows runs in its own WSL2 container, the agent just connects over localhost)
unkempt hamlet
So, they have doubled down on Docker in Laravel 8, I see...
Time to find out if it is actually good this time
slim pendant
Thoughts on rust?
mossy cloud
Good game, but very toxic community 
pulsar jungle
GitHub now has Dark mode in beta.
You can enable it in your settings @ https://github.com/settings/appearance
shadow marsh
finally no burning eyes anymore 
unkempt hamlet
Dark Reader extension
shadow marsh
Never heard about that tbh 
unkempt hamlet
ikr
mossy cloud
golden ice
I'm making a bot :D.
The bad thing is that I'm having a problem 
Can anyone help me?
night rootBOT
@golden ice: Don't ask to ask, just ask. Someone who is idling on the channel and only every now and then glances what's going on is unlikely to answer to your "asking to ask" question, but your actual problem description may get them to answer. Thank you.
unkempt hamlet
Asking to ask is a bad habit for all people, especially for developers.
cinder spear
https://dontasktoask.com/ covers it nicely
if you really want programmers to help you, just go "[thing you're using] is bad, you can't get anything done with it" and you'll have all the programmers who like the thing trying to help you so they can convince you otherwise 
or you'll learn that the thing really is bad... either way you learn something
slim pendant
Good game, but very toxic community <:Troll:299915338294755329>
good thing were in the developer chat
shadow marsh
What is in your option the best free alternative of Plesk? And it should support Linux obviously
I "just" need the Domainmanager and Websitemanager basically... everything on top is optional like E-Mail and whatever
unkempt hamlet
Vesta or Ajenti
shadow marsh
will take a look on both, thanks CJ
shadow marsh
Okay, Ajenti won't let me installing it as I can't figure it out it doesn't work
narrow flame
Cyberpanel
earnest granite
How do people make those Application Forms on VTC Websites such as Forza Trucking, Prime Logistics, Pries Logistics, etc
ember canyon
Whatβs the best website platform to create a roleplay website that list everything that a owner listed in the discord server ?
Iβm just asking because I tried to make a website for my game but it had a limit.
mossy cloud
Depends on its purpose and your skill level.
orchid bolt
explain more
shadow marsh
Okay, Ajenti won't let me installing it as I can't figure it out <a:peek:7491983...
And also, I didn't explained, why it didn't work, CJ - the reason is/was, it needs something mandatory what doesn't exists anymore and the new renamed verison it don't detect
plucky flicker
well, I say ex-developer, I mean I gave up doing development as a full-time hobby lol
unkempt hamlet
And also, I didn't explained, why it didn't work, CJ - the reason is/was, it nee...
I've never managed to use Adjenti personally anyway
plucky flicker
is Ajenti one of those classic admin panels made for people who either can't understand or can't be assed to learn how to use Linux CLI? lol
shadow marsh
All good, CJ - I will find another Domainmanager and Website Manager
unkempt hamlet
Vesta is fine
plucky flicker
sorry if I insulted you, but I hate these things
unkempt hamlet
ikr, but it might be handy to many people
shadow marsh
Well, it's not like I don't want to learn Linux or something like that. I know Linux good enough and work with it on various systems
But I want to have access to it over phone too, and I will refuse writing a literally 4 million long command on a phone with 2,5 million mistakes what may cause more issues 
plucky flicker
ah, the good old mobile
shadow marsh
yeah
I mean, I mostly work indeed over my good computer, but I also need access over the phone, that's why I want to have simple webaccess
plucky flicker
fair enough
mobile, the platform all developers repent because it's annoying to have to support and it is used so widely that you're forced to support it
narrow flame
I want to learn a web framework, I've tried Laravel but we haven't been able to setup a lot of electricity π is there a framework you suggested?
orchid bolt
any js developers here?
i'm using winston package for logs
but can't figure how put timestamp in front of logs
default is like that:
"log entry {timestamp: "xxx"}"
unkempt hamlet
tired adder
winston.format.printf(
info => `${info.timestamp} ${info.level}: ${info.message}`
)
foggy osprey
I want to learn a web framework, I've tried Laravel but we haven't been able to ...
What do you mean with "setup a lot of electricity"?
narrow flame
A Turkish joke π Main question, I want to learn a web framework is there a framework you suggested?
unkempt hamlet
It depends on what you want to achieve
narrow flame
I am thinking of a dynamic project. Later I will write a special program in C#. I tried Laravel but as I said it was not for me much.
unkempt hamlet
Describe a "dynamic project".
narrow flame
In general, it will be an account sales project. Everything from the information box to the footers can be changed.
unkempt hamlet
Account sales
modern kestrel
Hi
modern kestrel
Iβm not on pc until possibly 1:45 gmt in the afternoon
azure fox
Ok I didnβt know a pc was required to chat
azure fox
Just a general tracker of loads drivers do in my vtc
Vtlog ??
azure fox
Discord bot or like application
modern kestrel
Application like prime logistics tracker
azure fox
C#
C++
Python
Rest apis
Java
Json
Willwonka
Cake ( this is a real programing language)
earnest granite
Cake ( this is a real programing language)
I'ma try and learn that one day
azure fox
I'ma try and learn that one day
Oh you should its very fun
Very good for web based apps
earnest granite
Oh your not lying lol
azure fox
It really is
ember canyon
What?
night rootBOT
@ember canyon: You can appeal your ban by following this article: https://truckersmp.com/kb/1. If you have sent an appeal already, please wait patiently for the answer.
It can take up to 3 days to review your appeal. You can not speed up this process. If no evidence has been added to your ban, you can request them in the appeal.
Discussing web reports, feedback tickets, appeals, punishments received in-game, on the Forum or on Discord is not allowed. (rule Β§8.01 of #discord-rules).
orchid bolt
anyone here who knows how to use two networks seperately? Ethernet cable for LAN connection to my router so i can connect my second device to telemetry server and still use internet trough usb tether
so basically LAN cable for LAN, USB Tethering for internet connection
Ethernet 3 is currently turned off so i can use internet
but i want Ethernet 3 to be only LAN mode and get internet from Ethernet4 card (my samsung phone)
unkempt hamlet
I don't think it is possible in Windows.
orchid bolt
there is some "network bridge"
i enabled it but now i can't access my pc trough second device
unkempt hamlet
You need to do a proper routing for the bridge
orchid bolt
yeah i messed up with it and ended up with removed no internet at all
cinder spear
You can set up proper routing for multiple interfaces in Windows just fine
cinder spear
but i want Ethernet 3 to be only LAN mode and get internet from Ethernet4 card (...
set the metric for each connection, lower metric means higher priority (when IP is reachable by multiple, the lowest metric is selected)
unkempt hamlet
I've never had a luck with metrics in Windows somehow 
cinder spear
I've done advanced routing in Windows just fine Β―_(γ)_/Β―
unkempt hamlet
It works flawlessly on my Mikrotik though 
cinder spear
still prefer Linux tho
modern kestrel
anybody wanna help me later?
shadow marsh
With what?
modern kestrel
trying to make my own log book like prime logistics tracker
shadow marsh
Ah, I can't help you then as I don't have knowledge for that
unkempt hamlet
Any freelance website
modern kestrel
?
unkempt hamlet
Upwork, for example
unkempt hamlet
modern kestrel
im dumb ok
unkempt hamlet
Your just said "anybody wanna help me later with creating a logbook". It is just "ask to ask". It means nothing.
modern kestrel
ok
unkempt hamlet
modern kestrel
ok
tardy smelt
Keep in mind this channel wasn't created to get someone to write code for you as volunteer. If you would like someone to do such a thing they would want to get paid or something similar.
But if you are here because you're having issue related with your code and you want someone to give you a hand / look into the problem with you, this is the place for you.
If you don't try to do it yourself and just ask someone to do it for you, you won't get anywhere.
modern kestrel
no no no
i will write it all i just want someone to like speak with me and explain what and what not to type
tardy smelt
So you want someone to tell you what to write in the code? You should do a Google search and you'll be able to see some example there. Keep in mind that you'll need to have experience in various languages.
plucky flicker
programming is mostly googling anyway lol
you mostly just try and write something, doesn't work, google someone's solution that does work, copy & paste, and repeat lol
and any programmer who tries to deny that is lying xD
unkempt hamlet
Programming without a proper knowledge is mostly googling.
plucky flicker
and where does that proper knowledge come from? experience
raw notch
Programming *without a proper knowledge* is mostly googling.
bullshit π
unkempt hamlet
plucky flicker
and where does that experience come from? you remembering how you solved the problem last time and not having to google it again
raw notch
you recall ALL functions and classes and whatever?
shadow marsh
Well, I have to say, I learned by doing things and trying(messing) around with the code until it works. Yeah, sometimes I have to google to get in the direction I want to, but mostly I mess around
plucky flicker
I learnt how to code by asking others and googling, and a lot of reading of documentation and stackoverflow
unkempt hamlet
I can recall most of the functions and classes I use in my work.
raw notch
someone can google also because doesnt recall a method or class, like searching something on msdn
plucky flicker
stackoverflow is all developers' best friend
unkempt hamlet
I don't think using documentation equals googling though.
raw notch
don't use google? π
unkempt hamlet
That's what documentation is for.
plucky flicker
no but you gotta admit that you probably google an error when you come across one you don't know how to fix
or haven't seen before
raw notch
searching on google and land on the right msdn article is quicker than searching on msdn π
plucky flicker
msdn?
unkempt hamlet
Programming is mostly googling when desperate, at least for me.
raw notch
or haven't seen before
personally, if i get an error never seen before, means is something someone had never π
plucky flicker
the only reason you remember all the classes and stuff is because you've probably programmed in the language for years
I mean, I remember 99% of the Kotlin classes and syntax, because I've got used to the language
raw notch
yes, guys, CJ is a superhero, he dont use google, it's google using him
unkempt hamlet
I didn't said I don't use google
plucky flicker
what language do you guys use?
raw notch
all except python π
plucky flicker
lol
raw notch
try to write powershell without googling, is insane
unkempt hamlet
In fact, I was called "Google Max" in uni, because I can find pretty much anything online π
plucky flicker
I have to use Python because it's what they teach us at school, still better than JavaScript at least (in terms of usability, not reliability or efficiency)
unkempt hamlet
PowerShell without googling is hard, ngl
plucky flicker
powershell? you use powershell?
unkempt hamlet
I do
plucky flicker
I mostly used to use bash when I was on Arch, now I use command prompt (when I have to)
unkempt hamlet
Automatization scripts for my job
plucky flicker
yeah most terminal commands are copy-and-paste jobs lol
what language do you primarily write in CJ? PHP?
unkempt hamlet
PHP
plucky flicker
nice
I used to use Java, but then I switched to the vastly superior Kotlin (the love-hate language that cuts out a lot of Java boilerplate)
what's PHP like?
I've seen it's not that bad
unkempt hamlet
Easy to learn, not that hard to master
plucky flicker
yeah I've looked at it, and it doesn't look all that bad
any idea what laravel is like?
unkempt hamlet
Like magic
plucky flicker
looks pretty good from what I've seen
has built-in DI & unit testing
what's it's concurrency like?
unkempt hamlet
There is no concurrency in PHP.
plucky flicker
oh wow
well that makes things 100x easier then
what about like massive data processing and stuff then?
all done synchronously or what?
unkempt hamlet
It is all synchronous.
plucky flicker
that must get a bit annoying sometimes
how is laravel most popular for backend if it doesn't even have concurrency? that confuses me
or do you mostly just have something else to deal with data processing rather than your web backend
unkempt hamlet
It doesn't need to be concurrent, when it can 1) work fast 2) work from many processes
plucky flicker
many processes?
unkempt hamlet
That's another story.
ReactPHP can achieve asynchronous operations in PHP, never used it.
plucky flicker
yeah I'm looking at one rn called "Amp" that seems to add futures and coroutines
unkempt hamlet
PHP-FPM spawns and manages child processes that execute the actual PHP application code. Each of these processes handles one request from the web server at a time, meaning that more processes will yield greater concurrency and thus better application performance under higher traffic conditions.
That's about processes
unkempt hamlet
Well, yes, but actually no π
plucky flicker
like the language doesn't control the threads, FPM does
unkempt hamlet
Yes, as a process manager
plucky flicker
oh that sounds like it makes your life much easier
unkempt hamlet
I hate async