programming

[cinder kayak]

Cuz it doesn’t have Windows

[remote birch]

CachyOS Gang, what's up

[main vale]

les go

[remote birch]

running triple screen ETS2 is so much easier on Linux compared to Nvidia Surround on Windows 😄

[main vale]

Hahahaha I need to yeet my gpu

[remote birch]

I was thinking about selling my GPU

[slim cloak]

does truckersMP have an api that I can integrate into a management panel for a VTC? been wondering if i can just automate fetching jobs that are done (that new experimental feature)?

[shadow marsh]

don't think so that the job part has an API considering it's experimental state as of now

[slim cloak]

Makes sense, thank you.

[humble carbon]

We use the api just remember rate limits, but no the new experimental doesn’t work yet

[slim cloak]

So what do you use the API for right now?

[humble carbon]

A lot, events , users etc

Ranks, groups, if more active bans then it won’t accept etc

[slim cloak]

Alright thanks for the insight

Oh that reminds me do I need to apply for an api key anywhere?

or is it just rate limits to protect the api

[humble carbon]

Negative

No api keys 🙂

Rate limits and headers

[slim cloak]

Has anyone found a reliable way for job tracking on TruckersMP? locally telemetry is fine but i dont believ TruckersMP supports it, and the log file only seems to log job finishes

[mighty rain]

telemetry works the same way as in singleplayer

[slim cloak]

is the telemetry plugin supported?

[mighty rain]

the rencloud one? sure

well, or any other in that regard

[slim cloak]

thought you couldn't have plugins on truckersmp?

[mighty rain]

why not lol

[slim cloak]

good question 😭

i guess i assumed xd

thanks for the help

[mighty rain]

np

[summer gyro]

You can have plugins, just not dodgy ones lmfao

e.g. the tpc plugin

[strong spire]

Ive seen others report the non save edit TPC and the report gets declined lol, admin quote: Whilst they are using some form of "hack" it wouldn't be a bannable situation, they're not directly abusing it"

[strong spire]

Which I mean, following that logic it would be allowed to use no damage cheats as long as you are not ramming or colliding with anyone
Or even Non Collision cheats as long as you don't drive into other players
None of those two would be abusing it, and if those two are banable without abuse, why isnt the TPC? all 3 are hacks, all 3 are not abused so why would TPC be different

[slim cloak]

What is the TPC plugin lol?

[summer gyro]

Seems I got banned for it lmfao, anticheat picked it up

Super nice of tmp I must add

[summer gyro]

Basically the base game feature with ctrl f9 you can tp. Truckersmp block it and a plugin was made to allow it

Best part of it was the feedback, “we can’t show you logs of what was detected” or some other bs because it exposes their methods or some stuff I mean make logs which don’t do that maybe?

[slim cloak]

lmfao

[urban lantern]

What things are you looking for as far as job tracking? (What data)

[slim cloak]

I developed the full application but all it really needed was if there was an active job, information on the active job, nothing big

the sdk was pretty simple once i figured out how to use it so that made it easier

[urban lantern]

I'll need some more clarification rather than "information on the active job" to add more into it 😉

We have some information on the delivery. What fields / data do you need that we do not track?

[slim cloak]

in the sdk?

[urban lantern]

(I am the developer in tmp in charge of the delivery tracker)

[slim cloak]

the delivery tracker was for a vtc

[urban lantern]

Sadly we cannot save everything the sdk provides, that is much too much data - but you mentioned we do not save enough, what is it you need

[slim cloak]

i didnt need any data for the tmp tracker. an api for it would be nice so drivers dont need to download telemetry but im all set 👍

[urban lantern]

Alright 🙂 glad you found a solution ! If you ever find you want or need official data from truckersmp let me know what kind of data would be interesting. We currently track every job with the route taken and basic to/from/cargo info

[slim cloak]

This is all i really needed

[urban lantern]

Just to check - have you seen the previous deliveries on your profile page? (Did you know of the feature?)

[slim cloak]

yes

[urban lantern]

Ok cool 🙂

[slim cloak]

but to the extent of my knowledge there is no api that i can use to integrate it but it would be convenient

[urban lantern]

That makes sense! Perhaps we can look into an API endpoint for this sometime soon - the issue currently is that of privacy and needing authentication on API which we do not yet provide. But I don't see why not have deliveries show up if public sharing on your profile is enabled

[humble carbon]

If you do make the api for the delivery endpoints etc public would there be an announcement done or is it just keep an eye and go oh crap it’s live for example lol! Could you make it public like we can pull current data for users and if the user has made it private like ban data then it just hides it?

[urban lantern]

Not sure! That's an option! For now we're probably going to be in a "Surprise it's live!" Kinda style, but it's probably still a few months out -- would a blog announcement with info be helpful when it comes?

[summer gyro]

Be cool if it could calc all vtc members jobs and have that for like a fetch on the vtc homepage as total jobs maybe

[humble carbon]

Absolutely lol, anything public would be great, I only found out api details got changed the other day when something didn’t work, so a change log would be great, but Penguin said you guys won’t be doing an api changelog.

[urban lantern]

We do kinda need a good workflow to communicate with people xD especially when (accidental even) abuse happens on the apis

[summer gyro]

What was changed Lolol

[urban lantern]

🙈 there are people who use the area query on the map for example instead of /fullmap and it's a lot slower haha

[urban lantern]

Nice! Appreciate the suggestions!

[humble carbon]

It would be good to see you guys communicate with us, when we are trying to make things better for our communities and making a platform better etc. so it would be great to see more communication from the development team. Especially changes etc.

[summer gyro]

All good nice to see features in the work 😉

[urban lantern]

I'd love to as well! It becomes a bit hard sometimes, I think a lot of people don't consider how much data and load we deal with at the scale we are 🙈 the map endpoint does 150 requests per second at peak for example, just for map area requests!

We calso don't wanna create something and then be forced to take it away D:

[urban lantern]

Oh there is a LOT happening behind the scenes hehe

[humble carbon]

It’s okay. We will just keep waiting lol

[summer gyro]

i know of one maybe

👀

[urban lantern]

[woeful dock]

Linux distros are pretty much only good if you’re able to understand a computer and linux bash

[mossy cloud]

Thankfully I can

And that's not strictly true, the desktop OS distros are GUI based, and can be beginner friendly, if you choose the right one

[slim cloak]

mint is super beginner friendly

i run all cloud projects with ubuntu (obviously) and pc's always fedora

[main vale]

Until you try to play a new game that came out and suddenly you have to install new drivers etc. Cause the graphics drives isn't updated regularly

Especially if you have Nvidia

[slim cloak]

they are updated often but releases take longer thanks to ubuntu and LTS

but honestly if you need the latest latest as soon as it comes out its not that bad oding it manually

[main vale]

I tried that on Pop!_OS since it was 2 major versions behind, but manual updates kept breaking stuff.
Had to recover the whole system multiple times.
Switched to CachyOS after a few weeks and haven’t looked back.

[slim cloak]

😭

it was always fine for me on debian and fedora

then my friends wanted to play some game i dont even have anymore so i switched to windows 11

and now i cant be bothered to download an iso as it takes hours

[main vale]

Ubuntu + Nvidia = horror movie

[main vale]

Oof you gone the wrong way

[slim cloak]

every time i open command prompt i use unix commands and then cry beacuse its now weird windows ones 💔

[main vale]

I pray for you comrade 🙏 Though what game was it you couldn't play?

[slim cloak]

i could play the game (xplane 11) but some of the plugins and mods i paid for just refused to work

and it would be like $200 down the drain of stuff so i had to sacrfice and go back to windows

[main vale]

Hmm could have dual boot though so one drive with windows and with Linux

Then you only use windows when needed

[slim cloak]

ive tried it but i just dont enjoy dual booting. I like having everything in one place

now whenever i need to use linux i just ssh into home server

[main vale]

Fair

I sacrifice all the games I used to play that have anti-cheat or as I call it ||Spyware||

[slim cloak]

yeah fair enough

in the future if i buy another ssd i will maybe dual boot

but even ssd's are going up now xd

[main vale]

Yea 😭

And people think it will benefit us in the long-term (long-term price increase is what it is)

[cinder lion]

Hey admins add this tree to server as fun to server its cool

[cinder lion]

@mighty rain

[shadow marsh]

how's that programming/development relevant?

[cinder lion]

I don't had idea to gave suggestion where

[full gull]

#1140790119918473387

[onyx glade]

why can I speak in vcs]

cant

[summer gyro]

calling me a twat over a reaction is sound la

[onyx glade]

okay boss

[empty sierra]

Hello @onyx glade, Please do not use bad words in this server, Thank you.

[quiet python]

👀

[minor thicket]

Hello Admins i d like to contribute with some Trailer projects to your truckers mp online

Please contact me i startet some skins projects with truckers mp , i can t upload pics in here

[main vale]

NPC moment? @golden helm

[golden helm]

Heya,

This is something our Add-On Team does.
If you'd like to contribute to the project by proposing and creating trailer skins you could try to apply to the Add-On Team at https://truckersmp.com/recruitment when the recruitment opens.
At the moment we can't say when the recruitment for this role opens, but it will be announced in #announcements when it does.

[unkempt quest]

Currently building a truckersmp app like Trucky
I don't really like my design so let me know if you have suggestions

Also got this screen to see your previous deliveries

[full gull]

Looks nice

[unkempt quest]

Thanks

[unkempt quest]

I made the UI cleaner

[unkempt quest]

Does anyone know what kind of math Trucky used to calculate the real time of arrival and how long it takes to deliver in real time? I cannot for the life of me figure this out

[shadow marsh]

is given from the telemetry xd

[unkempt quest]

its not

The time and dates are all game time

Not real life

[shadow marsh]

could've sworn... but eh

[unkempt quest]

Yeah I assumed it was in the telemetry but none of the times are real times, only game times

[summer gyro]

Could you not just map the local time of it starting and end and then calc it lol

[violet tulip]

[violet tulip]

hint: use the game time and the map scale 🙂

[brittle kestrel]

take this data from telemetry, convert to seconds. Divide it: /10 sec for tmp, /20 sec for sp (e.g trucky can detect what mode is running). Convert back to real hours/minutes and add to current real time

idk, maybe trucky uses different algorithm

just my guess

[violet tulip]

it's not a straight calculation based on some multiplier

[unkempt quest]

Alright thanks I will try to figure it out. I had it come kind of close to Trucky but it's like 3 to 15 minutes off which is not really ideal

[unkempt quest]

I don't think it's correct cause trucky says 22 minutes and using the calculation it would be 70 real hours which doesn't make any sense

For 7 hours, that becomes 7h → 25,200s → ×10 = 252,000s → 70h 0m.

I'll try to use map scale and game time

[unkempt quest]

I figured it out thank you for the hint it helped a lot

[brittle kestrel]

my bad, gotta divide, not multiply: 7h = 25200sec = /10 = 2520 sec = 42 min.
dowmeister gave good hint, thats better way for u

good luck

[unkempt quest]

Added a login screen (also discord login) and a progression system. I will make a alpha/beta release soon so you guys can check it out if you want and give feedback 😄

[mighty rain]

those input fields are a bit wide

[unkempt quest]

Yeah true

[summer gyro]

Did ai make any of these ui elements it looks a bit hmm

[unkempt quest]

No I made it myself

It's all just cards

[mossy cloud]

Impressive! Great project

[unkempt quest]

Thank you! It's fun to figure out how it works although it's pretty easy with telemetry data and API's

I'm a web developer aswell 👀

[mossy cloud]

Very nice

[last locust]

Oh, hi Penguin! ❤️

[mossy cloud]

Hi!

[serene moss]

Hmm imma thinking to create my own launcher for TMP on linux distros

It wll be a lot of fun and

But from what i see now, i would need to reverse engineered TMP launcher whitch will violate TOS because i didnt find any "api" for logins so i assume u r creating token for game and using that token to log on servers

[mighty rain]

The login screen is in the game though

[mossy cloud]

It does run on Linux under proton!

[serene moss]

Got it working in Bottles, onyl thing was its getting profiles from somewhere else than the game saves

[trim pine]

Hii can you please dm me, i am also developing tracker for my vtc. I have some doubts may be we can help each other.

[unkempt quest]

They probably use a private API which is secured with an API key only the developers have or maybe a websocket? Idk much about those tho so i wouldn't know

[summer gyro]

Pretty sure it’s just the launcher injecting the code into ets2 to display the menu and show servers and then what ever else for their client

[narrow cove]

One method would be to calculate the average speed (at every frame, or couple of frames, based on current speed), and use the remaining distance on route to estimate the time of arrival. The estimation won't be accurate at the beginning due to very low speed or speed above a normal average, but you can tune it up using a predefined average speed for a period (60, 70, 80 km/h), and use the calculated average speed for the rest of the route.

[late shard]

The game already calculates the ETA for the selected route in the telemetry API. Divide that by map scale and you'll have real time ETA.

[opal quarry]

I have implemented it, 1 minute IRL is equal to 19 minutes in the game. Use the ETA in game, calculate the time in IRL they would take to complete then add it to the current time.

[unkempt quest]

Thanks guys for helping

I appreciate it

[lofty nexus]

Hey guys, quick question. Does an individual developer need to buy a code signing certificate for their software (.exe)? What are the pros and cons? Is it worth it?

[opal quarry]

No, and Yes. Windows Smart screen will alert the user that they don't trust the developer/publisher is unknown/mot trusted. In some rare cases, UAC may prevent some functions eg if your app tries to launch Powershell or CMD.

[lofty nexus]

Therefore, I believe that users would ignore this warning for software intended for internal use because they trust me.

[opal quarry]

Yes 😂 Signing your app doesn't come with extra privileges. Just to 'build trust' with the OS.

[tough fern]

Tmp doesnot work on linux

[mighty rain]

It does if you know how to make it work

I have not done it myself because I don't need to but at least one of my friends ran TMP on Linux

[tough fern]

I came back to windows coz l could not lasted for 3 months

[mighty rain]

I dualboot on my laptop

[tough fern]

So if l dual boot l will still be running it on Windows

[mighty rain]

Yeah

You'll just have both windows and linux installed, and be able to choose between them when booting

[mossy cloud]

It does, I use Linux as my only OS

[tough fern]

How ? Im not a programmer

Which distro are you using

[opal quarry]

Bruh, how did you get this role? Never seen TMP recruitment for Web Developer for as long as I have been a member.

[mighty rain]

👻

[mossy cloud]

CachyOS, you can run it via Proton 🙂

[tough fern]

No changing anything ?

[mossy cloud]

Not that I can remember! You'll need to point your game dir on the launcher to the Z drive that Proton maps for you, and that isn't easy. But doable!

[main vale]

i just have the game installed once through truckersmp-cli and once on steam then the game is two places

[vestal vessel]

what is up with the froum page it is saying Web server is returning an unknown error

[mossy cloud]

Hi, we're aware of the issue, please clear your cookies to resolve the issue

[vestal vessel]

@mossy cloud how do that

[summer gyro]

google exists for this

[vestal vessel]

can not do that

[fervent axle]

I'm trying to get a smooth animation with GSAP, but PNG files failing to do exactly what I want I think I have to rewrite all of this with SVG files instead of PNG all of my codes is ready to go in the 🚮

[low dragon]

I am currently running an ETS2 dedicated server and I am facing two issues.

First, every time I restart the server, the session ID changes. I would like the session ID to remain the same across restarts instead of generating a new one each time.

Second, in game version 1.48, I am unable to host more than 8 players in Dedicated Server. I would like to host a larger Dedicated server (around 30 to 128 players). I would appreciate guidance on whether this is possible and how it can be configured.

Thank you in advance for your help.

[clever python]

See https://trucksimulator.wiki.gg/wiki/Convoy_(game_mode) ... but what has this to do with programming?

[chrome marten]

I think this feature is much needed on Linux. The typical flow on Linux is something like SteamTinker -> TruckersMP UI ->ETS2. It is hard (maybe even impossible) to configure 3rd party telemetry collectors (TruckyApp, TrucksBook, Other Job log collectors) on top of this flow. This would at the very least make some VTCs consider pulling data from TruckersMP directly in some cases. Since you are already pushing telemetry data to your servers, you could consider allowing people to also push this data locally (users point to their own server URL, you provide reference server implementation or docs). This is what Valve does with their GSI (https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Counter-Strike:_Global_Offensive_Game_State_Integration), which powers pretty much all esports live event data for CS2 and Dota2 and third party apps like https://dotabod.com.

[urban lantern]

That's a good idea! Sadly this would be many years into the future as we would have to pipe in a lot of back and fourth communication and add a lot to the client to support this. At the end of the day the goal is to make truckersmp site capable enough to not need 3rd party sites or apps to run a vtc and have other information available to users. 🙂

[gritty oracle]

Which API do you use to display km/h?

[opal quarry]

I am not using any API. I am using SCS-sdk plugin by Rencloud to get gamevalues. https://github.com/RenCloud/scs-sdk-plugin

[gritty oracle]

do you know if trucky has that?

[opal quarry]

I'm not sure, I haven't checked it out. I created 'my own everything' from scratch. Including updating live location, real time speed update and ETA IRL.

[gritty oracle]

Oh, okay.

[gritty oracle]

I've programmed a system for my VTC where you get Nuggets for completed or canceled jobs hahaha

[main vale]

Oiii @crystal needle implementation on this thanks!

[gritty oracle]

What happens to what I programmed?

[main vale]

Nothing he just own me nuggets

[gritty oracle]

Hahaha, have some nuggets

[stiff pier]

Hey guys
I got a problem,when I want to register in truckmp by steam ,it gives me error,I have been doing that for 3 days ,and I did all the requirements to register in truckmp

[gritty oracle]

#support

Go to this channel

That kind of support is not available here.

[main vale]

Ty ty

[crystal needle]

You gonna drive more then 😂?

[main vale]

Maybe maybe I will grind up to a million nuggets

:>

[glass vine]

you still can't use them to buy a car

[summer gyro]

Sounds very related to programming

Still isn’t programming is it

Unless your planning to cast some black magic

[mighty rain]

clearly willing to make a service to sell trucks mate

vinted for trucks

[boreal sedge]

What would you do with 493 nuggets? A bit too much to eat

[full gull]

There isnt a thing like too much nuggets

[cinder kayak]

@nova sparrow

[full gull]

@golden helm Got something to yeet for you

oh well

[opal quarry]

You need some more extra energy to drive down the haunted road(CD Route)

[tulip hound]

nice program bro

[humble carbon]

The team probably won’t tell you here lol, but for people who used TMP slots via events, it’s available via api 🤍 it’s just been completed and it’s live. Time to automate everything

The endpoint is https://api.truckersmp.com/v2/events/{id}/slots

[trim pine]

Guys, I’m developing a tracker for my VTC. The telemetry I’m currently using is causing a delay when closing the game around 22-30 seconds 💀.
Does anyone know of an alternative telemetry tool I could use?

[chrome marten]

Telemetry plugin? Which one are you using?

[trim pine]

https://github.com/RenCloud/scs-sdk-plugin, i was using this,
i got the issue now, it was using all 99 channel. that why it create delay

[opal quarry]

I had the same issue. So I opted to check if the process (ETS 2 or ATS) is still running or not in the system. I use the same to detect when the game is launched, then start tracking.

[trim pine]

so now whic telementry do you use ?

[opal quarry]

I use the one you are using (RenCloud's). But it has delays in some cases

Or some events fire repeatedly or delayed.

[trim pine]

so any solution ?

[opal quarry]

This is what works for me

I don't need to track other events like refueling, train or ferry events.

[trim pine]

ok

[opal quarry]

Also, check on On job and Job delivered and other properties. They, sometimes, are misleading or incorrect. Once they are triggered, most of them remain true.

[trim pine]

yeah they are currently, i am trying to make my own now.

[opal quarry]

Great, all the best buddy 😎

[trim pine]

thanks.

[past dagger]

hi guys i been working on my portfolio a concerning amount what do yall think https://saboor.ca

[trim pine]

bro I made the telementry of my own.

[past dagger]

o/

[mighty rain]

That doesn't seem to be a real person

Here they're a software engineer and in #1486205201286172693 message they're a bunch of drivers

[surreal ruin]

looks astonishing

[past dagger]

thank you :)

[past dagger]

bro what u want

and?

go on keep talking

why are you only saying that

u sound and ur profile looks too much like a bot

[mighty rain]

[past dagger]

what does that have anything to do with that 😭 😭

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-portuguese-gif-3614654559682443105

ok take the spare time

https://nohello.net/en

my dms always have been open

[grim agate]

Hello, Im jay - new here but looking for some info in telemetry. i have created a full discord activity shell for my hub but im struggling tracking hours driven with my custom system. Does any body know of there is an official tracking system for the driving hours already implemented in ETS2? https://www.3dlabratz.co.uk/greenmile/completed-jobs/activity/#home

[opal quarry]

That's cool. How different is it from the one you were previously using?

[opal quarry]

I may have to track that 'manually'. I mean by just counting IRL how long you have been on the job(s). The game provides you a funny date/time. I am not sure how it knows the days. But then at the end of the delivery, the game will provide when the Delivery Started and when it ended, and DeliveryTime. But if you close the game or load a save it may be incorrect

[trim pine]

I have added only the necessary channels, along with a few additional ones required for our live map.
I’ve also fixed the slow game closing issue and optimized the system to use fewer device resources, so even users with low spec devices (like mine) can run it smoothly.

[grim agate]

yes this is the exact issue i am facing and when trying to convert into real values it gets messy lol. Great idea and thanks for the input - this appears the way to go 🙂

[summer gyro]

Looking for a father*, big scam looking message

[lilac aurora]

Bro can't make up his mind on what he wants to scam people for

[humble carbon]

Hello I am developer I know how to code 🧑‍💻

[humble carbon]

What is GitHub
I know very basics of cmd

[lilac aurora]

Isn't github a restaurant where you can get a portfolio of food, if you work enough in the kitchen for it?

[humble carbon]

Ohhhhh yes! I heard it’s where I check my emails!

[humble carbon]

Damn I got pinged twice

That website shows me what I had for dinner

[grim agate]

i was able to create a custom workaround for this - we have to track is a job active is the trucks engine running is the trucks position moving - IF we meet these requirements we can then get stable seconds driven for stat derived from this. So far its working great and doesnt track falsy

[opal quarry]

If you get 50% damage and your engine malfunctions/you run out of fuel and your engine goes off, one of your conditions is false

Also you could be on a job but not actually delivering it(Trailer not attached)

[grim agate]

ahh yes this is something i did not factor for. hmm your right this will cause inconsitencys everywhere! back to the drawing board lol

[trim pine]

Is there any way, so our tracker app can get digi certified without any cost ?

[grim agate]

i never bothered with public releases so im unsure. i use discord intergrated activitys for my trackers to allow all users access

[humble carbon]

Yes I’m a child.

If you were a real developer you would have looked at my discord profile and go oh his GitHub profile is public. And click on it 💀

[humble carbon]

What makes you seem I have limited development experience? You haven’t seen any of the attached websites to my GitHub? You haven’t joined the vtcs discord etc. your a confusing bot.

Why would it be attached to my discord? If it wasn’t mine? 💀

[humble carbon]

For the exe I would suggest paying tbh

[trim pine]

Any other way ?

[humble carbon]

None of my work is public on github

Because then people cant steal the code for my website/bots etc lol.

I think I use Github lol

Everything is private 😄

Why would I post someone elses 💀

[tawny vector]

💀

[sullen swan]

[humble carbon]

That guy above CEO wants nothing to do with TMP only developers for his company lol, waste of time.

Deserved the place on the ignore list 😄

[grim agate]

now only tracks when a delivery job is active, the game isn’t paused or on the map, the engine is on, the parking brake is off,
the truck has fuel, the trailer is attached, and the truck is actually moving.

added a second timer beside driving hours: job-presence time. That will keep counting while a haul is active
even if fuel, damage, trailer, or movement temporarily stop the real driving-hours counter.

[opal quarry]

That is correct. It will in most cases work

I did the same and added a check for cargo mass. But I do not check for parking brake

[grim agate]

parking brake condition was really not needed but it was a visable telemetry so i thought why not
Cargo mass did not enter my mind, that is really important as it could be a emty trailer

[opal quarry]

LOL!

There's NO way!

[humble carbon]

What lmao

[copper lotus]

Does anyone know how to make website for free without coding

[chrome marten]

No, there is KYC involved iirc. Is getting flagged by AV?

[woeful dock]

Nah you’re a larp

It’s a joke don’t punish me

😔

[woeful dock]

Try wix.com

[copper lotus]

Thanks! Also do you have some webiste were I can make logo?

[trim pine]

yeah it is

[chrome marten]

Do you have a sample link?

[trim pine]

for ? trackker ?

[chrome marten]

virustotal or trakcer either. For what its worth if it gets flagged by like 2 or 3 then it is a false positive

[trim pine]

https://github.com/Chetan302003/Aura-Hub/releases/download/v1.0.2/Aura.VTC.Hub_1.0.2_x64-setup.exe

[chrome marten]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/a4ad9fd7e2c8b9929c14741f15c9698e644b55bcdf1a55f288bc47ce36e8f804?nocache=1

I don;t see any issue. Is this Windows Defender?

[woeful dock]

Any free program I don’t really do graphical design

I could ask my friend what he uses he does my graphical design

[humble carbon]

Canva is good.

[grim agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSlzQQirK-U wasnt easy but im glad it works. Im open for collaboration with exsiting teams or even new starters in the VTC world

[chrome marten]

Looks nice. I have also been working on a tracker (offline only). More details are on the scs forum. Here are some screenshots from mine:

[grim agate]

thats awesome how you use the real fine details of the map. Nice work on the ui too! i will for sure check the forums

[small crypt]

Could you tell me where you got the game map? I just couldn't find that map

[chrome marten]

https://github.com/truckermudgeon/maps

[small crypt]

Thank you for the link 

It looks really impressive, but according to the information provided, there are still areas that need improvement. In fact, it's clear there are some issues with certain connection points on the map

Actually, it would be really cool if something like Google 3D map navigation could be created

[urban steppe]

it's not that easy to get height/terrain data from the game files I think

[grim agate]

this would be totally awesome, i wonder how much of a task this would be

[grim agate]

we can pull a Z node position but we would be limited to:

europe-nodes.json: 174,331 nodes
europe-elevation.json: 273,629 elevation points
europe-roads.json: 65,638 roads
europe-prefabs.json: 18,189 prefabs

[urban steppe]

I mean that's prob sufficient but then you would need to find a package or smth that can do a 3d map

hmmm there seem to be a couple actually

[grim agate]

people have already suceeded?

[urban steppe]

well not in ets things, but in like general 3d maps to use as a base

[grim agate]

i was just looking into the elavation files, It is a list of sampled [x, y, z] points taken from nodes referenced by roads, prefabs, terrains, buildings, curves, and some vegetation. so this could be totally possible

[grim agate]

i mean im terrible at graphics but with some work and time. iv done the tracking logic based from xyz but meeh its ugly rn

[small crypt]

My little test run yielded a similar result

It's not impossible, but it's a bit challenging because parsing the game data seems really difficult

[grim agate]

im having great sucess now finally got a true 3d drawing system reading from the only accessable place to get true data from (in cab satnav system)

yes its hard parsing but if you keep at it it works out okay tbh

also in documents there is a file navcache created and this holds some good info when a route is active

[small crypt]

Did you use something like a real time data processing technique here? I tried to parse all the roads and other map data beforehand using the extractor provided by SCS along with some kind of editor data from ETS2 files. But that didn't work. I haven't tried anything else since then

[grim agate]

problem is the map data isnt actually data thats usable as such, it does contain all the road nodes and elevation points BUT scs is using prism3D engines to piece together slices in real time. im currently extraction some kind of data from adviser_gps.sii and world_map_map.sii then converting in my own 3d image system.. the blue line is the current route then it draws some kind off road around the line

they dont expose much lol

[small crypt]

So, just like with telemetry, we can't directly access the data from game. For telemetry, we need to read from RAM to get the full data. Similarly, here we need to read the data being sent to the Prsim3D engine. Did I understand that correctly?

[grim agate]

if you can get into that data thats awesome

[small crypt]

I think SCS is keeping to itself a bit too much

[grim agate]

thats one way around

maybe they should release an official GPS syste for us lol

[small crypt]

We need to use a wide variety of techniques to develop something. I wonder if we could achieve more with some kind of local mode, maybe that could be a separate solution

[small crypt]

I think that would be more useful than that speedometer :d

[grim agate]

im thinking of trying a simpler sidecar route Your RAM idea got me thinking, my issue is my plugin sends all my tracked data over Https to my domains so your options are alot wider than mine lol

feel free to join the project if you like. 2 minds are better than 1

[small crypt]

To be honest, I'm not sure if I can read from the RAM. We can read some data for telemetry, but I need to check if I can do the same for the map

But generally speaking, if we can somehow extract the one time map data, we can then always run the navigation using that dataset

[small crypt]

This is still a bit of an experiment for me, but if I manage to get good results, I'd be happy to share them with you

[buoyant citrus]

is there any repo or guide that can help understand and work on injecting data directly in game.

[halcyon zodiac]

e

[grim agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqbWPi-aCbI i guess extraction and tracking is complete.. just 3d work and GPS functions to wok on now

[trim pine]

exactly

[grim agate]

HWND properties are the secret sauce, forget extracting datasets etc

[small crypt]

uhh this looks like good progress you've really put a lot of work into this

[small crypt]

I wish it were simpler, don't you? I think it would be much easier if we were trying this for GTA 5

[grim agate]

we got to love a good challenge lol. they did make it tuff tho xD

[toxic turtle]

I might be looking into getting another VTC up. For this I would need to get in touch with great dev for the process of web/tracking, but since it been out of game for a while now, I have no clue who’s up for the tasks. Do any of you have a preference?😇

[rigid stirrup]

I’m developing a macOS-native TruckersMP launcher in Swift that coordinates the runtime pipeline needed to get the TruckersMP workingon macOS. The goal is to streamline installation and reducing setup friction. Current stage: very early alpha. The game can boot and the required components are being loaded, but input handling and macOS permission-related behavior still need work. That’s one of the main friction points on macOS, especially where accessibility, input capture, and compatibility edge cases are involved.

If there are other users, that have skills in swift would like to hit up!

[chrome marten]

Nice. Have TMP documented the files they inject/update into the game?

[rigid stirrup]

No, actually I’m using their official ‘wrapper’ under my ‘wrapper’

“Yo dawg, I heard you like wrappers, so I built a wrapper around a wrapper” 😅.

[shadow marsh]

Well, I am working on my own Tracker which already works... just not the way I want it to yet

[toxic turtle]

You might wanna work on a project for me then?

With stuff that works lol

[shadow marsh]

I'm already in so many projects 💀

Also I have something in my own mind regarding using the tracker

[ionic geode]

im trying to make a website any tips?

[dusky skiff]

Code and khan academy, bootsrap , all the basics to get you started are there @ionic geode

[humble carbon]

Just do what any developer out there is doing these days is using Claude lol unless your interested in actually learning etc

[ionic geode]

i want to actually learn

[rigid stirrup]

Finally got ETS2 + TruckersMP fully working on MacOs

There's a fundamental incompatibility between how macOS handles mouse input and how ETS2/TruckersMP expect it. On macOS, the game's cursor-centering technique (used every single frame) triggers a system-level behavior that kills all mouse input entirely. The cursor freezes. Game over before it starts... On top of that, TruckersMP and ETS2 use two completely different input systems for their cursors they need different data from the same mouse. Getting one working breaks the other, they work against eachother. My solution which I call "Mirage" a custom input translation layer that sits between macOS and the game. It solves both problems simultaneously.

1.Auto-installs Wine (no Homebrew, no Terminal, no technical knowledge needed)
2. Manages Steam + ETS2 inside Wine automatically
3. Keeps TruckersMP mod files updated with smart differential downloads (Linked to TruckersMP immediately)
4. Retina-aware — renders at full resolution on Apple Silicon (Intel not tested)

The core is working. ETS2 launches, TruckersMP connects, both cursors work, keyboard works, you can drive. Now in the polish phase, refining input precision and the overall experience.

Hope to share more and put it available for public.

[grim agate]

Great work here thats some mighty project to get functioning. Hats off to you! - im interested to know what kind of performance losses/gains you will get between Apple and intel. Do Share more..

[weak edge]

Hey! I have built a web platform for our vtc which has like 10+ micro services tasking a whole bunch of features for our vtc simulation environment

It’s actually like the web/tracking that you mentioned

We can connect if your interested

[toxic turtle]

Sounds interesting, I’ll reach out later as I’m steaming at the moment 😎

[summer gyro]

Check your dads still there, might be long gone for milk 🫡

[summer gyro]

@mossy cloudHello sir

[mossy cloud]

[summer gyro]

The TMP api now has captcha?

or has something changed? worker seems to be throwing a fit but we havent changed anything in the last 3 months on it due to it being up and running perfectly fetching from TMP.

[mighty rain]

What's the UA header you're using?

Iirc browser headers will trigger the challenge page

[molten depot]

I had that issue too and switched to an proxy

[summer gyro]

export async function fetchVTC(id: string) {
  if (id !== '60956') return null;

  const cached = await Storage.get(`truckersmp_vtc/${id}`, { type: 'json' });
  if (cached) return { ...cached, cached: true };

  const req = await fetch(`https://api.truckersmp.com/v2/vtc/${id}`, {
    headers: {
      'User-Agent': 'movezen-vtc'
    }
  });

  if (req.status === 429)
    throw {
      code: 'Rate Limited',
      time_left: req.headers.get('retry-after')
    };

  const vtc = await req.json();

  await Storage.put(`truckersmp_vtc/${id}`, JSON.stringify(vtc), {
    expirationTtl: 3600
  });

  return vtc;
}

Just movezen-vtc

Has been working since last November ish

[summer gyro]

Sod that, rather re write the full thing at some point I just don’t have time

It’s a bodge job to get it all working

Shouldn’t need a proxy for tmp api surely

[humble carbon]

I don’t have a proxy 🙂 and I still don’t have issues

[molten depot]

I had it working with an Cloudflare Worker before until TMP has suddenly blocked the IP that the worker was running on

[chrome marten]

Bruh, we got veteran 4 drivers posting spam?

[inner dune]

Will there ever be a linux native truckersmp launcher?

[inner dune]

How do you make recs? Because OBS and similar software is glitching for me and the built in in steam and the OS work but are terrible in UX

[mossy cloud]

I use gpu-screen-recorder

It's Linux specific, make sure you install the UI also!

[inner dune]

Thanks

Ill give linux another try than

Im being absolutely ragebaited by windows

[inner dune]

I can't thank you enough, works perfectly

I love it

[mossy cloud]

[harsh glacier]

There is truckersmp-cli, or you can run the TruckersMP Launcher with proton

[inner dune]

But that requires ets2 to be launched with proton too right?

[harsh glacier]

Last time tried with my Steam Deck, worked perfectly fine

[harsh glacier]

Yes, you need ETS2 with proton

It runs very well

[inner dune]

Yeah I meant like linux native so no proton for ets2

Im currently also using proton

Works well but yk

[harsh glacier]

Native version would needs extra work for TMP, as the binary is different

And since Linux users are minority ( ), it is not worth it to develop at that moment

Although the game with Proton works well now, you don't need to do many trickery like before

[toxic turtle]

@worn ruin 🦋

[inner dune]

I don't know if you use fedora, but fedora updated to 44 today and it also now has gnome 50. And idk if the gnome updates did it for me, but OBS is now fully working for ETS2

[mossy cloud]

Ah thanks - I use CachyOS

[inner dune]

With gnome?

Or is that KDE?

It doesnt do 60 fps really well yet

But 30 is definitly doable

30fps @ 30000 Kbps

For a 3440x1440 screen

[mossy cloud]

KDE 🙂

[chrome marten]

OBS uses a software encoder out of the box (which heavily uses CPU). You are gonna experience stuttering in gameplay. I use buffer mode on gpu-screen-recorder so every buffer snapshot is ~130MB and the quality is good enough (Downscaled to 1080p from 1440p) for reporting e.t.c.

[inner dune]

Yeah I noticed

But atleast its making progress

[sleek pelican]

Nice compromised account

[inner dune]

I managed to get it working in OBS without having it choppy

With a bit of chatGPT magic I managed to get hardware encoding on OBS

It works really well

60fps at 3440x1440

[toxic turtle]

I can't bother with wordpress. If you are a web-dev looking for work, hmu as im looking to get a vtc site up and running

[toxic turtle]

@worn ruin

[undone parcel]

i'm currently trying to pull the map data from ETS2 for 1.59 to tile it up for a web map. Do you happen to know exactly how to go about that? Every version of TS Map seems to be severely out of date and throws codes everytime i try to use it for 1.59]
or would you happen to know where to find pre extracted data for the latest map that i'd be able to use?

[brittle kestrel]

main repo is broken af tbh. grab this fork: https://github.com/dariowouters/ts-map. been using it to slice map tiles lately, works great

[humble carbon]

Made an error system for our staffpanel, so we dont need to login to the console of the bot 😄

[fallen maple]

anybody here using TMP on Linux?

[mossy cloud]

Yep 🙂

[fallen maple]

perfect.

would you be interested in testing a proper launcher?

and, what is you performance looking like?

[mossy cloud]

I probably won't be willing to test anything unofficial, just due to the level of access on my account.

I use the official linux via Proton GE - Performance is equal to native IMO

[fallen maple]

i use the steam proton 11 beta and i get a few FPS lower, what exactly did you use?

like what GE version?

[fallen maple]

no problem, i an just making a launcher on top of the CLi so it is a bit more user friendly.

[chrome marten]

How are you injecting the DLL?

[fallen maple]

I am using the clip version of truckers mp, I basically created the launcher around that. At the same time I got the flu which last activity was 6months ago and forked it to fix the know issues and continue work on it to make it more resilient and smarter with proton and various optimisations

Basically the CLI is fine as is but working through the issue list on GitHub

And making a launcher around it that aims to make it a 1 button solution once settings filed in through UI

[inner dune]

Im just waiting for tmp to make a linux native version

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4677175942198662182

-# which will prob never happen

[opal egret]

[undone parcel]

this is a prototype website/server that's currently rending the entire map and route just using live road graph data. is there any way i can pull from the game the metadata that dictates if road sections are one way streets?

effectively trying to build up a smarter GPS system than the ingame one, i'm just trying to nail down initial route plots, get them accurately following the correct roads etc before i start work on creating logic different route types such as: stick to highway as much as possible, favour twisty B roads, avoid TMP congestion etc.

[mighty rain]

https://github.com/TruckersMP/API-Documentation/pull/24

[worn ruin]

[main vale]

Support linux(Arch) thanks

[undone parcel]

could i possibly ask for some help from someone with all the map dlcs in ets2 please?

[mossy cloud]

I'm on Linux arch - Run it through Proton and it works fine 😄

[main vale]

I am using truckersmp-cli because running the truckersmp.exe under proton gets the locations wrong and its just a shit show

Thats on my device though

[fervent axle]

Imagine a style of dispatching for VTCs, you can create cargo delivery from outside TruckersMP Client, dispatch that cargo delivery with your fleet in-game at that time. Make a specific route etc etc. (yeak ikr that I'm out of context, your project look great btw)

[azure fox]

Don’t things like that already exist, albeit not as seamless?

[humble carbon]

Trucksbook does that yep

[fervent axle]

Oh, I wasn't aware that Trucksbook had such features, I'm too 👴

[summer gyro]

Pensioner

[undone parcel]

in a way its definitely doable

i mean currently with my little project its very much without scope. I'm just throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks

only just realised my project shows up as a google search, cool! 😛

[steady pine]

Is there any route advisor app that shows whether I’m in the correct lane or not and whether it will take me to my destination, or alerts me well in advance to move into the correct lane?

The problem I’m facing is that I’m playing on low graphics, so I can’t read road sign boards until I get very close to them. For example, let’s say I need to keep right to exit the highway. The exit has two lanes, and if I stay in the left lane it takes me to one destination, while staying in the right lane takes me somewhere else. This is the kind of problem I’m facing while driving.

[azure fox]

ETS2LA, might have something, not sure, though. Other than that, your best bet is scouring GitHub etc

[chrome marten]

In game voice navigator.

[undone parcel]

For anyone interested, I've managed to safely modify https://github.com/dariowouters/ts-map to use more than a single core. 0-15 layers of zoom, trillions of tiles, previously was estimated to take 155 days. with my modified version giving it 16 cores to chew on, it took 2 weeks

[urban steppe]

Seems interesting! Do you have a link to your fork? Feel free to send it in DM when you don't want to send it here :)

[undone parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-nu-this-guy-nu-my-beloved-nu-gif-4969697740630356936

[amber oasis]

[ember canyon]

🐶

[north flax]

🐺

[scenic star]

🐼

[ripe basalt]

💎

[burnt cipher]

print("Hai")

[shy swan]

Hai

[amber oasis]

# Useful links:
 - Developer portal: https://forum.truckersmp.com/index.php?/forum/198-developer-portal/
 - API Documentation: https://stats.truckersmp.com/api
 - Resources: https://forum.truckersmp.com/index.php?/topic/28804-developer-resources/

[shy swan]

Userful links? @amber oasis

[amber oasis]

derpy :d

[shy swan]

👍🏻

[amber oasis]

You saw nothing

[shy swan]

What?

[amber oasis]

Nothing

^you saw

[pearl badger]

👋

coding is fun.

[amber oasis]

^ that's a perfect example of when you should refactor

[pearl badger]

indeed

which im doing 😛

but that is like 10 commands tbh

not one

[amber oasis]

commands
you mean functions

[pearl badger]

boi

both.

[west fractal]

@pearl badger Who do I see there? 👀

[pearl badger]

idk

[amber oasis]

@pearl badger http://i.imgur.com/7mLS9uy.png looks a lot like the C# version I started working on, until I found that the C# library was cutting short on some features I wanted

[pearl badger]

i havent bothered with TruckBot in ages tbh

because noone really was using it

so i abandoned it

and my next bot got more servers that it ever had in 2 days ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and still continues to get 100 new servers a day

somehow.

[amber oasis]

I'm currently refactoring @desert stag to split all the commands out to separate files and stuff

[pearl badger]

I would prefer to just move all the commands into its own sepparate file instead of multiple

or by general topic such as TMP and WOT

never store all your commands in the main bot e.e

because you have to retart the bot just to fix one little fix but with modularisation it takes like 10ms to reload it 😄

[amber oasis]

I actually run it in docker, startup is only around a sec as the container is destroyed and re-created

[amber oasis]

last patch took 0.95 seconds

from container start to ready event triggered

[pearl badger]

ew js

[amber oasis]

whatever works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'd do it in elixir, but then I couldn't fool krash or humane into doing shit on the bot as well

[pearl badger]

you could just use python

[amber oasis]

lel, python

[pearl badger]

why does all your messages have to end with a cat (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

daym calm cat

[amber oasis]

cause is too mainstream

[pearl badger]

or just use nothing

[amber oasis]

that's too mainstream

[pearl badger]

🤔

Seems legit 🍆 💦 👌 😂 👶 🍼

is that too mainstream

[amber oasis]

😂 is

[pearl badger]

[amber oasis]

[pearl badger]

[amber oasis]

ew, fidget spinner

[pearl badger]

ew, cat.

[amber oasis]

almost as bad as python

[pearl badger]

snake > cat

[amber oasis]

snek

[pearl badger]

they get scared over cucumbers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber oasis]

stupid cats do

gg, I derpy

"Online users, [object Object]"

[pearl badger]

👏 You have to get its len

[amber oasis]

nah, I was making it async, but tossed it the async object rather than the response from the async method

the neat part is that after the refactoring, despite not being a goal, it's using less memory

used to start at ~60MB, and stabelize at ~100MB after a day, so far it's started at ~40MB

[pearl badger]

they dont use alot of ram theres just a little bit of base

like for example my bot is on 2300 servers and its only using 350mb ram

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like for example my bot is on 2300 servers and its only using 350mb ram

but if i made 2 shards then it will be like 600mb ram total even tho is dealing with the same ammount of servers

[pearl badger]

might make a bot that just shows server info and updates every minute on a dedicated channel

[ember canyon]

@pearl badger what's you're bot called?

[pearl badger]

Its called Welcomer.

But if youre talking about the server info one its just an idea

[meager olive]

Ehm, is HTML nailing me or am I doing something wrong here? The white box is not wanting to stick to the left and top side of the page; http://prntscr.com/gflitg

• http://prntscr.com/gflj0w http://prntscr.com/gflj2s

[scenic star]

Are you coding that for your school? Lol

[meager olive]

Yeah, cause the programmer we have sucks. It's not even responsive, so I'm going to attempt to make it new and better.

[scenic star]

I hope for you they accept it

[meager olive]

You are not able to move around: http://prntscr.com/gfljb2

Try it if you want :> https://leerlingen.trinitascollege.nl/portaal/roosterschermen?tv_id=104

Still not sure what my code is triggering for it to bug like that.

[meager olive]

ayyy lmao

that's what I mean, it sucks

[scenic star]

xD

[north flax]

@meager olive Remove the headers margins. Use a reset stylesheet.

[meager olive]

Fixed it, forgot a semicolon :V

[north flax]

You should probably also set the header width to 100%, not a fixed width

If I open your page it's gonna look fucked up, because my screen isn't wide enough for that to fit

[meager olive]

yeah, fixed that aswell

I was messing around a bit

It works on my phone now aswell

Quite funny, the guy who made the original thing has a fixed width as you said. It screws up the entire page.

[pearl badger]

use a site maker lol

[cunning kite]

Anyone knows how to fix this

https://gyazo.com/a58673852bf4df517591913977e2d4ae

:<

I'm stuck on it for days

[amber oasis]

post da code

[cunning kite]

Alright hold on

Well what it does is it adds a border-bottom: 4px solid #E10E46; to an item

i'ts a bit to much to post

😂

[amber oasis]

gist

[cunning kite]

gist meaning?

[amber oasis]

gist.github.com

[cunning kite]

Well

You'd need the whole site

because it gives that red bar on the section id

Should I just post the whole html + css?

[amber oasis]

otherwise nobody can't help you but just throw wild guesses

[cunning kite]

Alright

https://gist.github.com/xLarsOfficial/70519ff1f6643bdf78745487874dcc84

That should work

[cinder spear]

if it's on a public website, can link that too

[cunning kite]

It's not released yet

@cinder spear

[cunning kite]

Got it fixed

It will be released soon, https://resoftware.nl

(the old website is up at the moment)

[pearl badger]

looks nice

[shy swan]

Sounds stupid, but: The API from TMP gives some answers. ( like https://api.truckersmp.com/v2/servers ). Is there a way how I can change the "format of the answer". I want to create an TMP app for the LaMetric time. And the LaMetric Time can only read the following format as poll: { "frames": [ { "text": "playercounter here", "icon": null } ] }
Push request are also possible.
Does anyone know how I can "reformat" it? thx.

[shy swan]

Mhh... No answers 😦

[amber oasis]

create a server that proxies and rewrites it for you

[shy swan]

Mh. Okay. I will try. Thx

[pearl badger]

Old world of trucks + truckersMP bot. Just showing source code coz tbh im most probs never gonna bother remaking it and even if i did i wouldnt use this old version as it doesnt even use rewrite, or the discord.ext.commands module to make it much easier to use.

[naive anvil]

Why is there only like a few random people in this chat? sorry to ask.

[ember canyon]

Cos it's only for wanna be devs chat

[pearl badger]

Wanna be devs

smh

[cinder spear]

some people actual develop things

[karmic ridge]

the only thing I can program fluently is bat files

[steep knoll]

[amber oasis]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKMANLfUQAAC4gV.jpg

[grand blade]

tru

[karmic ridge]

thats what I always do

look at what others made and change it until I get what I want

[cinder spear]

Juggling between Google's and 3 different versions of Slack's API

[amber oasis]

Slack's api is... interesting to say the least

[cinder spear]

the workspace one in developer preview seems nice

...but it's a preview

so actually using it right now is a bit of gamble

but I don't want to use the legacy one and the current one doesn't work for me due to security considerations

so I'm hoping the preview doesn't change too much

chat:write:user changing to chat:write might break things but hoping they'll just convert it for existing tokens

[pearl badger]

slack api

mmlol

[cinder spear]

it's not bad

documentation is one of the easiest to use IMHO

[naive anvil]

Hmm, on the new recruitment part of the truckers.mp website it says support is closed. It is actually open according to the forums. Why is that?

[north flax]

Because that recruitment is not done through our new system-.

[naive anvil]

Oh ok, thank you.

[cinder spear]

[ember canyon]

Hm

[ember canyon]

I want that emote

[rugged copper]

Bit of a random question but how does TMP handle the storage of the users social account information in the database? i.e. do you have seperate table or a seperate column for each one in the users table

[amber oasis]

It's stored as multiple columns, it's not the best approach, but it works and we got IDE helpers to avoid stupidity when making changes

[pearl badger]

databases inside databases INSIDE DATABASES

[naive anvil]

So for TMP to become a thing you had to ask SCS if you could use their game?

[knotty crag]

I don’t think they mind tho as long as Truckermp don’t make money off from Their game

I wish scs did have Multiplayer server built in the game

[ember canyon]

I wish it TruckersMP let you buy a server cough definitely not asking if I can buy a TruckersMP server cough

[kindred tendon]

Cough Won't happen cough

[ember canyon]

cough I’ll pay £100 cough

[amber oasis]

😂 the hardware costs more than that

[ember canyon]

cough 500 cough

[kindred tendon]

Not even close

[ember canyon]

Oi

[sweet hornet]

We can lend you the server, but an empty one as you never asked to have our source code on it

[ember canyon]

Oi

I said “truckersmp” server

[sweet hornet]

yeah yeah no problem, here is a "TruckersMP server" 😜

[ember canyon]

Wait it has the source code?

[oblique harbor]

10/10 Paint skills Math.

[ember canyon]

I wonder, if TruckersMP shuts down will they release the source code html files etc for the public before they shutdown

[scenic star]

no

[ember canyon]

Wasn’t asking you

[scenic star]

you wasnt asking anyone, you didnt specify any name.

[cunning kite]

They're not shutting down?

[sweet hornet]

@oblique harbor 🖕 It's Adobe PS 2017

@ember canyon Nope, and please note that only ONE person in the team has that precious code: Our beloved mwl4 so if one day TMP shuts down it'd be his decision!

[ember canyon]

Hello

How much are those server pc's

Bet u could get a threadripper in there and performance would be 10x better

May i ask what language u use

[karmic ridge]

english

[ember canyon]

I mean programming

[karmic ridge]

it was a joke

[ember canyon]

Oh

[pearl badger]

Or you could sell TruckersMP to SCS

for like 2 oreo choclate bars.

[ember canyon]

u should sell it

they would have great supported servers

[floral mist]

I mainly use C#, but started with C and Java

[amber oasis]

Threadripper wouldn't give our servers much of a performance boost, we rely quite a lot on single core performance

but for our web/database stuff, we're rather have a couple of EPYCs or something similar

[naive anvil]

Been told i shoud ask here! Anyone have basic coding skills? Please do p.m me if you do!

[candid tide]

What programming language do you like the most?

[naive anvil]

It does not matter. Honestly its been so hard to find people im looking for anyone. They can use whatever they prefer. You good at it?

@candid tide

[floral mist]

instead of asking for someone, you should tell what kind of project you want to do / want to be done

[scenic star]

^

[naive anvil]

That is better for me to be explained over p.m

[amber oasis]

Likelyhood of anyone caring to PM someone about a complete unkown project often approach zero quickly

developers, by nature, are lazy

[kindred tendon]

We have living proof of that too 🙂

[naive anvil]

If someone was actualy interested they would p.m me. just saying 😉 not to start an argument but yea

Anyways off to school chow everyone!

And i have 3 people that messaged me so far.

[floral ice]

xDDDDDDD

[cinder spear]

people, by nature, are lazy

you'll always get some people who are just interested for something to do

but providing some details immediately can get a lot more people interested

[ember canyon]

Just post it

Who is actually going to pm u

[pearl badger]

Python is the only language you need

[candid tide]

Python is a special language. Neural network, image processing, security, web, game development, mobile etc. I think it is the most multi platform.

[naive anvil]

Oh good to know thanks!

I have a small team so far still gorwing hehe

growing*

[candid tide]

What do you develop with your team?

[amber oasis]

"most multi platform", how young child, how wrong you are 😛

C is the definition of multiplatform, It'll run on anything including things that doesn't have enough memory to load the python interpeter

[ember canyon]

I use java, html, css and a little c++

[sweet hornet]

Do you allow me to kill my mates that keep calling Java__script__ Java ?

[amber oasis]

Just start correcting him and call it ecmascript

[naive anvil]

Im sorry. I know not much about coding lol i do other stuff for the team.

[ember canyon]

Java

Java

Java

@sweet hornet

[sweet hornet]

🔨

[ember canyon]

😉

Am i avle to code for mp

[ember canyon]

Able

[amber oasis]

lolno

[ember canyon]

k

[candid tide]

@amber oasis Everything can be done with every programming language. But according to development time, I think the most multi-platform language is python. C is the head of everything already.

It also comes from the fact that Python is a good readable language, which is the main reason for its ease of development.

C has very nice features close to the hardware base such as pointers and direct memory accesses. It is also a fairly quick language from such talent.

[naive anvil]

Wow you look like a good developer @candid tide you know alot lol

weither its true or not idk as im ot a DEV lol

[amber oasis]

I don't think you realize how wrong you are, sure, you can make a embedded python interpeter, but then it's not python anymore, claiming any scripting language is more multi-platform than another, considering that they are all multi-platform is naïve.
If anything, Perl is "most multiplatform", as it's been ported to run on more platforms than any other scripting language outside of shellscript

[naive anvil]

Hmm was that intended for cracker or me?

[ember canyon]

Or was it for both

[nocturne drum]

Anyone here know C++ and LUA?

[cinder spear]

Java and javascript are alike like car and carpet

I know a bit of c++ and lua

[candid tide]

@naive anvil There is a few more years to become a good developer. But I see myself as a good student. I am studying Computer Science in Turkey as a technical university.
(In Turkey, the name is Computer Engineering.)

[naive anvil]

Col

cool*

[gentle hornet]

Is there a way to show the TMPID next to the name in MP? Kinda like g_developer 32, but instead of the velocity, show the TMPID

[kindred tendon]

Only people with admin permissions can have their TMPID next to users names

[gentle hornet]

That's dumb

[kindred tendon]

Not really. What use do users have for it?

[gentle hornet]

When they are lazy like me and don't want to go searching in logs.

And can just look ever the recording

[kindred tendon]

Use /pinfo in-game and you will have their TMPID right there in the video.

[gentle hornet]

Too lazy

😃

[scenic star]

Suggest it - Would most likely be declined however

[amber oasis]

lol ansible: Releases are named after Led Zeppelin songs. (Releases prior to 2.0 were named after Van Halen songs.)

[amber oasis]

also, vscode got a new logo 😮 https://static.thorerik.com/s/2017/10/10/101239.png

[ember canyon]

:0

I prefer the old 1

[amber oasis]

September update installed, so I suppose I'm just slow to notice

[cinder spear]

VSCode going full on Fallout 4 institute with that slogan

[ember canyon]

Lel

[cinder spear]

"Mankind. Redefined."

[ember canyon]

:P

[amber oasis]

xD

didn't connect those two before you said it 3v

[cinder spear]

well, I am [e-mail] after all

[ember canyon]

Seriously 🤔

[amber oasis]

:

[ember canyon]

What a good emoji

How does 1 get discord partner 🤔

[cinder spear]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Discord partners large content creators and communities

[ember canyon]

Nice so when i get big on twitch :p

[amber oasis]

lol

For a community, I believe there has to be a fairly substantial size

[cinder spear]

8000+ subscriber subreddit is mentioned as an example

[ember canyon]

Mmmm

So 8k followers

Only 7943 to go :P

[cinder spear]

https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001494012-Discord-Partnership-Requirements

[amber oasis]

At the time we applied for partnership, we had 1.7 million registered users

[cinder spear]

dats a lot

[ember canyon]

Dam

And now

[amber oasis]

still not bicked 1.8

[ember canyon]

It must be very crazy making a mod of this size

Just how much organization and things that must go into it

[amber oasis]

guess why growing the admin staff is a slow process

[ember canyon]

Idk

U tell me :P

[amber oasis]

because having 1.7 million users, you don't just pick a bunch of people and pray that they'll do things acording to the rules

[ember canyon]

Lul

xD

Being an admin would be fun

And chaotic

How long did it take u to create mp

[amber oasis]

I didn't create it, I came in a bit over a year later

[ember canyon]

Oh

Will there ever be openings for devs

[amber oasis]

I took the lead on rewriting the main website, that took around 6 months or so

[ember canyon]

Would be a fun job

Html?

[amber oasis]

We're always looking at what people make and do in the community, if you show some skills we desire, we'll contact you

[ember canyon]

Is there any u desire

[amber oasis]

html, php, mysql was the core of things, but we are slowly pivoting towards microservice architecture and things in that camp

[cinder spear]

oh php...

[amber oasis]

If you have to ask, you probably don't have the skills we need 😛

[ember canyon]

Im currently doing html

[cinder spear]

how something can be so great and awful at the same time

[ember canyon]

And do a bit of photoshop and things

[amber oasis]

gaining the proficency to where we'd be interested will take you a while

PHP is a love hate relationship

[cinder spear]

I don't think it's possible for it to be anything else

[ember canyon]

@amber oasis ye :/ never really post my work though i hate it when ppl criticize it after u spend so long on it

[amber oasis]

I have a love/hate relationship with every single language I use

[ember canyon]

Same

[amber oasis]

PHP and I go back a loooooong time, and it's way better than it was when I started

[cinder spear]

it's gotten a lot better

[ember canyon]

My school teaches such a bad useless language u can do basically nothing on it

[cinder spear]

but the backwards compatibility is holding it back so much

[amber oasis]

you have to be able to take criticism if you're even working on this mod, people will gladly tell you how much youre wrong and should be doing it this way rather than that way

[cinder spear]

true of any public positions ^

[ember canyon]

Ye

Slowly getting better with dealing with it

[amber oasis]

Just last month I had a guy tell me "oh but if you did it in node, your site would be 50x faster and you'd only written half the code!"

[ember canyon]

Lul

[amber oasis]

Catching errors in node is a horrible mess…

[ember canyon]

Do any of u use c++

[amber oasis]

game client is c++

[ember canyon]

Im trying to learn that in my own time

[cinder spear]

suggests javascript would be 50x faster.. lol

[amber oasis]

Good luck, recommend learning plain C and attaching C++ on top of that

[ember canyon]

Using codecademy highly recommend there website

[amber oasis]

get you a bit more foundation to low-level programming, so that you know what macros etc. adds to C with c++

[ember canyon]

If u learning

[cinder spear]

I'm just waiting for the day C dies and we can get rid of buffer overflows

but that'll never happen because of POSIX

[amber oasis]

lol, as long as Linus is around, I doubt C will die

[cinder spear]

well that too

[amber oasis]

for that sake, I wouldn't write a line of c++ for a micro

[ember canyon]

If on u couldmake a game in visual basic

[amber oasis]

oh god no

don't go there

[ember canyon]

My school teaches me that every day

[cinder spear]

here's a piece of advice

[ember canyon]

How to make a program that would take me 10mins to make but everyone in the class take 2hours

Ahhhhhhb

How can ppl code so slow

[cinder spear]

if you're thinking of creating something in visual basic, take a step back, reconsider life, and do it in C# instead

[ember canyon]

Im not

Its such a bad language xD

[amber oasis]

VB is basicly dead now and only updated as backwards compatability iirc

MS focuses on C# and F# now for .net iirc.

[ember canyon]

For my exam i had to make a 'hard' program

[cinder spear]

it's dying with the move away from .net framework towards .net standard and .net core

[ember canyon]

Had to make a database put it in program then make a holiday calculator thing or somthing like that

[amber oasis]

yeah, core is quite nice

[ember canyon]

Omg so ez

Got 90% :P

[cinder spear]

my chat bot runs on .net core on linux

[ember canyon]

Tuxy would u use my discord bot

If i made it on java

[cinder spear]

what it does is way more important than what it's made in

[ember canyon]

Ye

Im sitting on a family holiday trying to design a bot :P

Writing ideas on paper

[cinder spear]

The choice of language and platform comes down to two things: what's designed for the task you're doing and what you're familiar with

[amber oasis]

I generally won't use other's bots unless it's objectively better than something else

the music bot here is written in Java actually

[ember canyon]

Do u have a music bot

That searches yt

[amber oasis]

yes, it uses youtube

@desert stag is written in node

[cinder spear]

I hate java but that's a personal issue

[amber oasis]

I hate Java as well, but that music bot is objectively quite good

[ember canyon]

Why

[cinder spear]

I don't generally mind running other people's java code, but I don't want to touch it myself

[ember canyon]

There isnt really much point of trying to make a bot there is basically a bot for everything on discord

[amber oasis]

the music bot uses a gig of ram, to play music, while @desert stag uses a mere 40-100MB to do all kinds of backend things

[cinder spear]

sounds like java alright

my elasticsearch installation uses 2.4G RAM to store logs from a single application

[amber oasis]

right now, the music bot is actuallly only using 400MB, so slightly better

[ember canyon]

Do any of u have ideas

On bots

[amber oasis]

https://cl.ly/mzzs

Prodbot = @desert stag

[cinder spear]

https://ohbot.3v.fi/status.html

[amber oasis]

the webhook receiver is a slack compatible webhook receiver to shoehorn the slack features into discord native features

[cinder spear]

why not send directly to a discord webhook?

[ember canyon]

🤔

[amber oasis]

Cause we lost stuff that it pushed into fields discord's webhooks didn't add to the message

I don't remember the exact details, but basicly stuff was lost in the conversion, and we didn't want that

[ember canyon]

Ah

[cinder spear]

interesting

[amber oasis]

additionally it takes jira webhooks as well

[cinder spear]

so the slack compatible webhook isn't completely compatible

[ember canyon]

Intresting

[amber oasis]

It's compatible enough for most usecases

I think it was gitlab that dropped some stuff into a field that slack supports that discord doesn't

[ember canyon]

I lost u

A long time ago xD

Im just a noob though

[amber oasis]

stuff put stuff into stuff that thing thingymajig doesn't support, so we made a thingymabob to support that stuff

Did I translate to noob well enough?

the first line of code for @desert stag was written to make the announcement without having the subscriber group mentionable

that was her first purpose in life

horrible code warning: https://gist.github.com/thorerik/bb5c41e69bee9a68f78bd86b7334bd09

Literally the first version of the bot xD

[cinder spear]

pretty clean code

[amber oasis]

not my first es code, but there's a lot of naïve code there

actually my first async await code in es though

[cinder spear]

haven't done that yet myself

[amber oasis]

It's pretty much like doing it in C#, which is nice

[cinder spear]

messy code warning: https://github.com/3ventic/riotlv/blob/master/lv.js

my last node discord bot

[amber oasis]

at least you use "use strict"; 😛

[cinder spear]

mixed tabs and spaces too

[amber oasis]

that should be illegal

[cinder spear]

although I think that might be cbenni updating it after me

[amber oasis]

To support docker, I had to make this horrible thing:

const { resolve } = require('path');
let config = require(`${resolve('.')}/config/config.json`);

config.token = process.env.DISCORD_API_KEY || config.token;
config.prefix = process.env.DISCORD_PREFIX || config.prefix;
config.webhook = process.env.WEBHOOK_Console_ID || config.webook;
config.wtoken = process.env.WEBHOOK_Console_TOKEN || config.wtoken;
config.twitchtoken = process.env.TWITCH_TOKEN || config.twitchtoken;
config.redisHost = process.env.REDIS_HOST || config.redisHost;

exports.default = config;

k… @cinder spear we need to talk…

[cinder spear]

about what

[amber oasis]

Array.forEach(), rather than https://github.com/3ventic/riotlv/blob/master/lv.js#L133

seriously

[cinder spear]

mhm, https://github.com/3ventic/riotlv/commit/3a6ff75ff1704cb0f26901435c99a77cff34a49e

over a year old code too

[amber oasis]

time to take that and bend it over his head

😛

[cinder spear]

normal for loop is a lot faster than Array.prototype.forEach but don't think it makes enough of a difference to justify it

[amber oasis]

In 99% of cases, if you worry about the speed of foreach vs. for, you're preemtively optimizing, which is a bad habbit

[cinder spear]

true

[amber oasis]

it's like the double quotes vs. single quotes discussion that was rampant in PHP 12 years ago

[cinder spear]

ha

I just use single quotes unless I need the double quotes to stick variables in there

[amber oasis]

I use single quotes exclusively

[cinder spear]

I haven't written significant amounts of php in ages

[north flax]

I have. I use single quotes :p

[amber oasis]

concat all the way

that said, ^ made me reconsider using double quotes for obscenely long strings

[cinder spear]

if(getPosition($this->varr, "interior")*1 != 0 || (getPosition($this->varr, "scale") == 0 && getPosition($this->varr, "scale") !== false) || (getPosition($this->varr, "alpha")*1 < 100 && getPosition($this->varr, "alpha") !== false))
                                $this->v = 1;

[amber oasis]

You seriously wrote that spaghetti?

[cinder spear]

I wrote that spaghetti ~4 years ago

think that was my first real piece of php

i.e. code that actually had use

it's gotten a lot cleaner since then...

as far as I know, they're still using that tool tho

converts MTA's XML format map files into a SA-MP server's ini + pwn format

[amber oasis]

XML is the devil in general

but Xpath makes it tollerable to handle

[cinder spear]

would have been easier had I known about PHP's XML parser

XML has its uses but I don't like it

[amber oasis]

there's generally always a better alternative available

[cinder spear]

json

[amber oasis]

json, yaml, INI, etc.

[cinder spear]

yaml is nice to read but annoying to write

[amber oasis]

Oh yeah, you need an editor that is good at handling it, but it's still better than xml 😛

[fallow meadow]

I prefer JSON

[cinder spear]

idk about programmatically reading it, never done it

[north flax]

Pft, yaml in notepad is fine :p

[cinder spear]

as long as you remember never to click tab

[north flax]

Ye

And as long as the lineendings are right

[amber oasis]

JSON has a major flaw for configuration files: no comments

[cinder spear]

can't tell you how many times I've had programs crash on me because the editor I used used tabs instead of spaces

[north flax]

When I did minecraft stuff, I generally used wordpad actually, because notepad didn't work properly with the file line endings.

But that's many years ago now :p

[cinder spear]

ah minecraft..

always used nano or vim

[fallow meadow]

I used to use Notepad++ for writing py3 but then it got picky due to the tab thing I gave up and went back to the standard IDLE

[amber oasis]

I used to be an avid atom user, but switched to vscode a couple of months ago

[north flax]

I use nano if I need to quickly edit a file in a terminal, and Sublime Text 3 or an IDE for writing code, generally :p

[amber oasis]

nvim for terminal stuff, vscode on my laptop/desktop

[cinder spear]

I need to check if vscode can be made not to check git's upstream every 3 minutes

[amber oasis]

phpstorm for php

[north flax]

Same, phpstorm for php :p

Webstorm for node.js (so my telegram bot, maybe botdottir in the future)

IntelliJ for Java (at university)

[cinder spear]

every time I use vscode

SSH logins to few of my servers send me an email, and git uses SSH, and vscode checks upstream every 3 minutes

so rip inbox

[amber oasis]

but here's how xml is "nice" to work with:

//*[@id="current-rides"]/div[1]/div[2]/div/a/div/table/tr[8]/td[2]/img[1]

crappy, but hey, discord had Xpath language definitions as well xD

[cinder spear]

nice

I use jsonpath quite a bit to work with json

[amber oasis]

basicly that Xpath finds the element with matching id of current-rides, then traverses the tree through the 2nd then 3rd div, then first div etc.

Symfony also got Symfony\Component\CssSelector\CssSelectorConverter, which you can use to convert CSS selectors to Xpath if you want to use that instead