dawn acorn Feb 25, 2026, 7:47 PM

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Wait custom text is big!

earnest lion Feb 25, 2026, 10:29 PM

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lmao

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what are you doing down there

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i want to scale it down a little bit, but hey i can override its position

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neat

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closer

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just peekin, checking in

dusty gull Feb 25, 2026, 10:41 PM

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You can do it lil guy

earnest lion Feb 25, 2026, 10:41 PM

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when he isn't in the way, hes aight

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bit massive

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earnest lion Feb 26, 2026, 11:20 PM

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fun fact

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if you create a yaml with chapter 1 goal, turn off shopsanity, turn off addition randomization.

you get 21 locations

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💀

earnest lion Feb 27, 2026, 5:03 AM

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for reference, there are 385 total locations currently available with the various settings enabled lol

analog coyote Feb 27, 2026, 7:20 PM

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Is it safe to have legends of tide mod on as well?

dusty gull Feb 27, 2026, 7:22 PM

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Should be

earnest lion Feb 27, 2026, 7:30 PM

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We'll find out

analog coyote Feb 27, 2026, 7:38 PM

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earnest lion We'll find out

That we will

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I truly love this game sometimes

dawn acorn Feb 27, 2026, 7:40 PM

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analog coyote I truly love this game sometimes

hormse

flint folio Feb 27, 2026, 8:00 PM

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Dart gets asked what he's doing with that horse... says "yoink!" and makes a run for it.

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wait is archipelagoon editing where sprites and chars show up??

earnest lion Feb 27, 2026, 8:01 PM

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Not intentionally

dusty gull Feb 27, 2026, 8:05 PM

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Can't see how it would be

earnest lion Feb 27, 2026, 8:30 PM

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Same lol

glossy vault Feb 27, 2026, 9:51 PM

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can report doing valley and gigantos before first visit is currently making me go through the first castle visit then I can fight Lenus

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so after going to sleep at the end of the first visit it will start the 2nd visit with the Lenus fight immidiately

earnest lion Feb 27, 2026, 10:04 PM

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nice and rested

icy vortex Feb 27, 2026, 10:06 PM

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Ya i can also add that if you break it like I did and never talk to Festus in the first place and then teleport into the main room you fight Lenus immediately but then for some reason still have to do first day after that

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But I completely broke it and wanted to keep it to myself

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Had to teleport since I had no other way into castle

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 1:57 AM

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well

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hey, textbox? yeah that isn't how i wanted this to happen LOL

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i'm trying to play around with the gigantic spacing on this textbox and I'll be putting up a PR to just remove some of the magical numbers

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and make them make sense (after i figure out what the fuck is happening)

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 2:26 AM

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this is fine

icy vortex Feb 28, 2026, 2:27 AM

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Close enough

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 2:32 AM

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Who needs a box anyway

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 4:00 AM

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@dusty gull is the background image scalable? or is it just that size

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 4:01 AM

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You'd have to build your own glyphs if you wanna resize it

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Fortunately for you I built a glyph editor

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Unfortunately for you, you have to perform an arcane ritual to use it

flint folio Feb 28, 2026, 4:03 AM

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Achipelagooning.

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 4:10 AM

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:3

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 7:03 PM

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ok figured out the centering

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ish

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 7:05 PM

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aYaaaaa

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 7:06 PM

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@dusty gull i'll be submitting a PR with some variable names to make this more readable

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less magic numbers

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 7:06 PM

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Okay

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 7:37 PM

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https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/Severed-Chains/pull/2594

GitHub

Chore/resolve magic numbers in message box by pkolb-dev · Pull Req...

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ok bruh

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 7:50 PM

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I'd prefer to see type_15 get changed to MessageBoxType insead of an int

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Don't see any reason to do a partial conversion

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:01 PM

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makes sense, I wasn't sure if type_15 needed to be an int. much easier to just make it an enum

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    setMessageBoxText(this.messageBox_8011dc90, TAKE_RESPONSES[ThreadLocalRandom.current().nextInt(TAKE_RESPONSES.length)], 0x1);```

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not sure what type 1 is lol

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mr. dabas

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:04 PM

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Pop a box with type 1, see what it does

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:04 PM

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looks like an alert

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so 0 and 1 are similar?

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:05 PM

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Could be

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:05 PM

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interesting...

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looks like the only difference is that 0 does ```if(messageBox.type_15 == MessageBoxType.ALERT.type) {
//LAB_8010eed8
if(!messageBox.ignoreInput && PLATFORM.isActionPressed(INPUT_ACTION_MENU_CONFIRM.get()) || PLATFORM.isActionPressed(INPUT_ACTION_MENU_BACK.get())) {
playMenuSound(2);
messageBox.state_0c = 4;
messageBox.result = MessageBoxResult.YES;
}

      break;
    }```

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returns a result me thinks

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:08 PM

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Does 1 not close?

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:08 PM

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1 closes the same

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:11 PM

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It looks like the input handlers only do stuff for types 0 and 2?

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:11 PM

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lmao

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it becomes extra cursed

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but yeah it can't close

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though the glyph can be unrendered

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:12 PM

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Just call it unknown

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:12 PM

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Ok updated 👍

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 8:30 PM

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Move unknown in between so we can keep the ordinals the same as retail and add a doc to each that says which retail value they map to, everything else looks good

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Gonna go for a walk so I'll merge later, will probably need to update the fishing mod

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 8:35 PM

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sounds good, enjoy nature

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figured out centering (sort of)

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 9:36 PM

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multi lines feels better now

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 10:47 PM

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@dusty gull i've decided to hate myself early this year and start working on chests. Should I add a new method into Scus94491BpeSegment.java or a different file for something that calls postEvent

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 10:49 PM

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I'd like you to draft up a plan for dealing with chests first so we can review it if you don't mind

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 10:49 PM

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can do

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 10:49 PM

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I'm on board, just wanna make sure we think this through

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 10:49 PM

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lemme createa doc

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 10:49 PM

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Sounds good

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 11:43 PM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Gilx2UpoAfIdHIT0e3R9nxSv33Ahlp6ZfzetIMWHGQ/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

~The Big Chest Change~

~The Big Chest Change~ Tools used: Excalidraw (free) - Chest Planning Problem: Chests aren’t easily moddable! Mods can’t change their contents without patching each one, for each mod. Solution: Provide a ChestContentsEvent that works similarly to ShopContentsEvent. Details: For the purposes of...

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I will be eating, but will continue to work on this doc

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I'm not good at this thing, but its nice practice

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 11:47 PM

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The way I see it, we have two options

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We can either patch Dart's script in every map with a chest, or find some way to identify that Dart is interacting with a chest

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And what item it should be giving him

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The first option would be safer

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The second option may or may not be less work

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 11:49 PM

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The chest in seles handles its state and what item is given, so wouldn't it be patching that script rather than dart?

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 11:49 PM

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Depends on whether or not all the chests are like that

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Normally interactions are all handled in Dart's script

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I dunno if that applies to chests or not

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 11:49 PM

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🙈

dusty gull Feb 28, 2026, 11:49 PM

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Most NPC scripts are dead simple and do almost nothing

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A lot have dialogue in them that isn't actually used

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Playing Halo so I won't be super responsive atm

earnest lion Feb 28, 2026, 11:50 PM

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I'm making dinner so same

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But for now I'm basing the doc off the first chest

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I'll check a few more to see the similarities

latent adder Mar 1, 2026, 1:55 AM

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Scripts will have to be touched, the case is to make it efficient for the first time.

Patch all the scripts (dart(s) or submap scripts) with chests with a generic interactable callback (that might be used for other backwards compatibility interactables later).

Register these interactables in a registry in java land. Can be chest, stardust, dialogue concrete types or a generic type that parses the list of supported types out for you and triggers the right event. Can also support state and link to a list (registry of story flags) of submap or wmap flags.

Data can default to whatever is in the registry or override by mod events or defer to script controlled.

Interactable in script needs position, radius, onHandled, type of event and/or registry id, story flags support.

Then patch wherever this interactablele script system should live to create new or modify interactables.

Can also do the inverse. If state is not in shop, not in wmap, not in battle, no shop, no menu...and dart receives an item, then it must be from an interactable like a chest. Can then do hardcoded checks to verify submap, chest, and do give Item event and manually manage any overrides of the script behaviour. Not sure how textboxes would be blocked as the chests all use different indices in the textbox stack.

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I think any solution is a massive undertaking though

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Dialogue can give any inventoryentry, story flag, or meta things like warping / coolon / game data changes. Or chests, or whatever we define as an interactable.

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Wonder if its easier to remove all interactables in all scripts. Then extend script system to work more generically via a standard interaction submap script we add to every submap (all interactions in one script or a means of adding n 'interaction scripts' and attaching those to any submap).

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Then if we change something with the interaction script it can patch everything automatically / migrate.

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Or just support versions nginx and only load scripts which r supported.

latent adder Mar 1, 2026, 2:34 AM

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Disregarding a) removal (largely manual), b) underlying submap scripts checking for interaction script(s) (maybe automatable?), c) generating list of interactions and what they all do, there is still d) with every sc dev contributing 20-30 copy pasted interaction scripts a day, that's still ?3 weeks on its own?

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For what it is, the main life blood of the game, its justifiable but in practice idk if its viable

dusty gull Mar 1, 2026, 3:31 AM

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In an ideal world we can detect interactables using a pattern and generate the patches

earnest lion Mar 1, 2026, 5:04 PM

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I'm more interested in "how to brute force" because once we establish that, we can refine

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I do like the idea of a generic interactable script + interactable registry

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:22 AM

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Hmmm lemme check. I was certain I used the latest

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:22 AM

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I believe you, I just want to gather facts 🙂

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:23 AM

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earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:25 AM

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Yup! Great!

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I should have a new version soon that we can try

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But, it's very odd shops aren't working

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Did your other checks send

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:27 AM

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Indeed! When I sent the crash log I was able to see the AP items but upon fresh install it says there's nothing to buy. ~~The first check did send. After defeating the Commander~~

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:28 AM

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Nothing to buy means when I scouted locations on connection it didn't persist those

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:29 AM

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Hmm maybe not that's the only check I sent

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:30 AM

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Ughh

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Ill have to dive into it tomorrow

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Are you the host

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:31 AM

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I'll test a solo run just in case. Not sure if that can help

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No

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:32 AM

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Ok. Yeah if it works solo, I know how to fix it

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:32 AM

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I'll do it right away

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:33 AM

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We write perfect code

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Until we don't

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 1:37 AM

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Who are we to define perfection, Psi?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 1:38 AM

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Too true

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:40 AM

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Alright so here's what was sent and the shop does have items in it but it crashes as soon as I press confirm to buy one

[2026-03-02 01:34:19,585]: Notice (Player Kairi_LoD in team 1): Now that you are connected, you can use !help to list commands to run via the server. If your client supports it, you may have additional local commands you can list with /help.
[2026-03-02 01:37:05,133]: (Team #1) Kairi_LoD sent Dart Double Slash to Kairi_LoD (Commander)
[2026-03-02 01:37:06,175]: (Team #1) Kairi_LoD sent Leather Jacket to Kairi_LoD (Dart - Volcano Unlock)
[2026-03-02 01:38:05,600]: Notice (all): Kairi_LoD (Team #1) has left the game. Client(0.6.1), [].```

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 1:40 AM

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Send the crash log as well

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:41 AM

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Just from the part it says error right ?

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 1:41 AM

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The whole end of the log where it says to send it to us

untold kraken Mar 2, 2026, 1:42 AM

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📎 lod_crash.txt

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 1:42 AM

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@earnest lion you need to update your mod since you changed how message boxes work

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 2:30 AM

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I haven't merged those changes quite yet

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But I should soon

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OH

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right

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those changes

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curses

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i've done it again

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 5:10 AM

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I've fixed it! but i have other changes so i need to get progressive additions added before i make a new version lol

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:33 PM

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@dusty gull i'm trying to resolve an issue with icons not rendering in shops, but no console errors are occurring 🤔

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:34 PM

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Is it your own shop extension?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:34 PM

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yeah

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it was working prior

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:34 PM

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Okay well first question, are you rendering icons?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:34 PM

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but i'm not sure what changed

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  public void onRender(final RenderEvent event) {

    if(APIconUiType._ICONS.obj == null) {
      APIconUiType._ICONS.obj = buildUiRenderable(APIconUiType._ICONS, "AP icons");
    }

    final APContext ctx = APContext.getContext();
    ctx.renderMessage();
  }```

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I believe so?

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:36 PM

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Is your obj marked as persistent so the engine doesn't yeet it when the engine state changes?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:36 PM

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good question

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:36 PM

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It has gpu memory leak detection

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:37 PM

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where can i tell that?

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:37 PM

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.persistent

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:38 PM

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i am not finding anything like that

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:39 PM

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Just breaking in your icon rendering method and check that obj's persistent property

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:40 PM

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persistent: false

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:40 PM

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What about .deleted

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:40 PM

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also false

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:41 PM

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Well it hasn't been yote then

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But no icons?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:41 PM

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ah, when i get to the shop itself

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deleted = true

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:41 PM

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Well, that'd do it

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:42 PM

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is this a recent change?

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:45 PM

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No

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:47 PM

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interesting

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ok so i set the persistent to true and the icons are still not rendering, which leads me to think its something more obv

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:53 PM

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Is it no longer showing deleted?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:54 PM

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correct deleted: false

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 9:55 PM

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Bisect and find which commit broke it

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 9:57 PM

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2026-03-02 15:48:26.957 [Hardware legend.core.opengl.Obj:53] WARN : Leaked: UI d2d8
2026-03-02 15:48:26.957 [Hardware legend.core.opengl.Obj:53] WARN : Leaked: UI Portraits
2026-03-02 15:48:26.957 [Hardware legend.core.opengl.Obj:53] WARN : Leaked: UI Item Icons
2026-03-02 15:48:26.957 [Hardware legend.core.opengl.Obj:53] WARN : Leaked: UI Elements```

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probably unrelated?

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the portaits are all weird colors

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dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:03 PM

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Ah, that's because of rendering two menustacks

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MenuStack currently calls uploadRenderables()

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So all of the renderables are getting rendered twice

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:05 PM

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oh

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hmm

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ok so loading up old code works just fine

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which means it might be related to menuStack

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:05 PM

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Lemme think about what I want to do here

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:06 PM

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ah yep, the double render is what broke the shops

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:14 PM

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I can move that so it's always called in the gameloop but we'll have to make sure that menus aren't leaving renderables in the queue

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Would you mind moving this into gameLoop just before loadAndRenderMenus() and mess around to see if it breaks anything?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:25 PM

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sure!

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well this one is on me

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but moving the method seems to work fine atm

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no weird colors, shops work fine

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settings in and out of combat too

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:31 PM

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Opening and closing menus, post-battle stuff, none of it leaks into anything else?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:31 PM

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my messages do, but thats a me issue

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I haven't noticed anything abnormal

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with SC

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not sure what that lil' guy is about

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only appears when i select "quit" from in game

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goes away when i go to other screens

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(was there before this change too)

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:37 PM

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Those look like the colons for the time on the main menu

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:38 PM

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oo

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yep

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 10:38 PM

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So those clearly aren't being deallocated

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:41 PM

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who are we to stop them (engineers. we are engineers)

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sick, i'm going to release a new version of archipelagoon shortly

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well maybe i'll fix that settings page

icy vortex Mar 2, 2026, 10:46 PM

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This is just going to be a QoL + zenabatos release right

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:47 PM

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adds progressive additions, fixes "off" on addition randomizations, and resolves some other issues with shops

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on newest sc anyway, courtesy of yours truly

icy vortex Mar 2, 2026, 10:47 PM

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Adds a new shop too?

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:47 PM

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...was that this one?

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i thought i did that in 1.2

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er, 1.2/1.6

icy vortex Mar 2, 2026, 10:48 PM

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Oh maybe you did im locked behind Magic Oil in Sens Fortress was going to beat Quelagg tonight

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If the website works for me

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And I dont have to wait for DNS

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 10:49 PM

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website is back up, and you just gotta flushdns

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supposedly

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can i type?

icy vortex Mar 2, 2026, 10:49 PM

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Close enough

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Im still at work im just hoping its automatic but I doubt it

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I might do a small solo to the side to test progressive additions if no one else does first

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 11:26 PM

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might be related to the render change

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 11:27 PM

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Try putting it after the line I told you to

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Instead of before

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 11:28 PM

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nice

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looks like the issue i'm having with the in-combat archipelago config is that its a VerticalLayoutScreen

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🤔

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xD

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the difference seems like background vs panel

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so maybe I have two screens, one for regular menu, one for combat

dusty gull Mar 2, 2026, 11:50 PM

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You might just need to adjust your control z values

earnest lion Mar 2, 2026, 11:50 PM

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absolutely, i'm just utilizing the VerticalLayoutScreen's method atm

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er

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yeah definitely

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:16 AM

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well, thats not what i meant to do

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is there not a way to auto detect if I need a background or a paneL/

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 12:20 AM

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Define need

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:20 AM

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I would like to use the same options screen for both in and out of combat

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but it seems like combat prefers panels, and out-of-combat prefers backgrounds

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 12:21 AM

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Use a constructor param

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:22 AM

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yes, but how can I know if i'm in combat?

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 12:23 AM

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You could check the current engine state

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It's not ideal but it should work

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Forgot you weren't the one popping the screen

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:23 AM

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i'm just that cool

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ok let me try that

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yup!

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gotta fix the indices

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      this.panel = Panel.panel();
      this.panel.setPos(12, 20);
      this.panel.setSize(296, 140);
      this.panel.setZ(36);
      this.addControl(this.panel);
    } else {
      this.addControl(new Background());
    }```

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 12:41 AM

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Getting there

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FYI you can use screen.getWidth()

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Real menus are 368 wide

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Battle is 320

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:47 AM

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ayy

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now mr. turn order

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though this seems to be an issue with the turn order being lower than the menus

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 12:48 AM

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If it's on top of the others then yes

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 12:51 AM

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menu is 35, turn order 30, tooltip 1

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pfft

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they are shy and the uibox is trying to help them out

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 1:11 AM

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Hahaha, close

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 2:46 AM

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UiBox divides its setZ value by 4.0 lol

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    this.textbox.z_0c = z / 4.0f;
    this.updateSize();
  }```

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 2:47 AM

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For text

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It's complicated

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 2:47 AM

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i imagine so

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z-index values can be so wild

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i'm a frontend dev

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no shade

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in this instance, i took the Zindex that was set on the text, multiplied by 4, and added 1

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that way it works similarly to other screens

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(minus the *4 part)

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 2:49 AM

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Text z is 1/4 the ui z for legacy reasons

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Oh actually ui might also uses the 1/4 z

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Oh that's uibox, it doesn't use 1/4

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So the Z values are similar to Z index in web dev, except these are actually physical depth into the scene

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The PS1 doesn't have a depth buffer, it can't do any pixel sorting

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So the GPU has something called a depth queue

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The PS1 GPU also is only 2D, it does not render 3D, that's a very important distinction

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It receives triangles that have already been projected from 3D -> 2D using the geometry transformation engine, which is another piece of hardware

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These triangles are queued at their average depth

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You have one queue for every possible depth in the scene

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But, because of that, the sorting tables could take up a lot of ram

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So there's a sorting table factor that shifts down the Z depth to decide the number of sorting tables at the cost of precision

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LOD uses a shift factor of 2, which is 1/4

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SC mostly uses full resolution Z but some of the UI stuff still uses the legacy shifted values

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So you have some stuff like UiBox which uses the full Z value but it renders text using the 1/4 Z value hence the division

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 2:55 AM

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thats crazy

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 2:55 AM

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120 depth UI box is equivalent to 30 depth text

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 2:56 AM

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is that something you learned on this project?

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 2:56 AM

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I learned everything that I know about the PS1 from this project

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But I'm the one that unshifted most of the Z values

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Almost everything uses unshifted values now, but there's some legacy stuff that's complicated to untangle, I think it's just the screen/control stuff and text

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 2:57 AM

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is there anything you'd want me to do as a part of this change?

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 2:59 AM

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What exactly are you changing?

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 3:02 AM

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i extracted some logic into helper methods to help readability, but the change I'm applying is making the zIndex be more accurate to "what needs to happen"

textZ_800bdf00 gets changed to 30, so i set it to 40 (to render below other menus) and set the Z of the UiBox to (textZ_800bdf00 *4) + 1

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i can draft a PR rq

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https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/Severed-Chains/pull/2596

GitHub

Update Z index by pkolb-dev · Pull Request #2596 · Legend-of-Drag...

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does bent stand for battle entity

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am i cracking the code

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 3:13 AM

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Yes lol

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 3:13 AM

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that makes getBent even funnier

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holy shit

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Ok I put up two separate PRs for the things

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no rush on them at all

dusty gull Mar 3, 2026, 3:26 AM

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I'll take a look at it tomorrow

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Just had a very quick glance

// for whatever reason, UiBox divdes Z by 4.0
It's actually the text Z that's divided by 4, UiBox uses the full res Z

earnest lion Mar 3, 2026, 3:27 AM

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oh I see

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let me remove that comment too lol

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i added that for my sanity while investigating

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riight and it scales down to match

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 1:54 AM

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Probably going to sit down and continue planning the chest script run

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 2:02 AM

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I'll be up for a little bit longer if you have any questions

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 2:20 AM

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well i do but i'm raiding currently

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lol

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big thing is to think on what @latent adder suggested earlier

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 2:35 AM

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Whatever we decide, we need to be able to automate it

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Patching that many scripts using the diff patcher is a no go

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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ok, with that as a requirement, i'm assuming we'd need to know what to look for

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 2:53 AM

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Yeah, identifying is the only real unknown here

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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gotcha. I'll grab some sample scripts of some chests early, mid, late and we can see how they do their things

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 3:00 AM

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Sounds good

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 3:27 AM

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i'll also grab the fort after hoax

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 10:40 PM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Gilx2UpoAfIdHIT0e3R9nxSv33Ahlp6ZfzetIMWHGQ/edit?tab=t.0 added the example scripts to the chest docs

Google Docs

~The Big Chest Change~

~The Big Chest Change~ Tools used: Excalidraw (free) - Chest Planning Problem: Chests aren’t easily moddable! Mods can’t change their contents without patching each one, for each mod. Solution: Provide a ChestContentsEvent that works similarly to ShopContentsEvent. Details: For the purposes of...

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seles, hellena, and black castle have similar structure, but the marshland fort after hoax is structured slightly differently but thats to be expected with all its additional logic

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 11:53 PM

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@earnest lion step one is gonna be listing every single chest script in the game, I believe your lackeys have already started this

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We need that so we can make sure our automated script finder is finding all of them

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From the script you included in that doc, it looks like call Scus94491BpeSegment::scriptGiveChestContents is the third op in entrypoint 1

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So we'd want to see if that holds true for all of them

earnest lion Mar 4, 2026, 11:56 PM

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dusty gull <@183241067674599424> step one is gonna be listing every single chest script in ...

Yep, got up to disk 1 with submap object id

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Ill need to check Shirley trap chests too

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Just in case

dusty gull Mar 4, 2026, 11:57 PM

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Okay

dusty gull Mar 5, 2026, 10:59 PM

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@earnest lion

  private static ResolvedValue parseParamValue(final State state, final ParameterType param) {
    final ResolvedValue value = switch(param) {
      case IMMEDIATE -> ResolvedValue.of(state.currentWord());
      case NEXT_IMMEDIATE -> ResolvedValue.of(state.wordAt(state.currentOffset() + 4));
      case INLINE_1, INLINE_2, INLINE_TABLE_1, INLINE_TABLE_3 -> ResolvedValue.of(state.headerOffset() + (short)state.currentWord() * 0x4);
      case INLINE_TABLE_2, INLINE_TABLE_4 -> ResolvedValue.of(state.headerOffset() + 0x4);
      case INLINE_3 -> ResolvedValue.of(state.headerOffset() + ((short)state.currentWord() + state.param2()) * 4);
      default -> ResolvedValue.unresolved();
    };

    state.advance(param.getWidth(state));
    return value;
  }

  public static void main(final String[] args) {
    for(int i = 0; i < 800; i += 3) {
      final Path scriptDir = Path.of("files/SECT/DRGN21.BIN/" + i);

      if(Files.isDirectory(scriptDir)) {
        try(final Stream<Path> scriptPaths = Files.walk(scriptDir)) {
          scriptPaths.forEach(scriptPath -> {
            try {
              if(scriptPath.equals(scriptDir) || scriptPath.endsWith("mrg")) {
                return;
              }

//              LOGGER.info("Checking script %s", scriptPath);

              final FileData scriptData = new FileData(Files.readAllBytes(scriptPath));

              if(scriptData.size() < 8) {
                return;
              }

              final int entrypoint1 = scriptData.readInt(0x4);

              if(entrypoint1 >= scriptData.size() - 3 || (entrypoint1 & 0x3) != 0) {
//                LOGGER.error("Entrypoint 1 out of bounds in script %s", scriptPath);
                return;
              }

              final State state = new State(scriptData.getBytes());
              state.jump(entrypoint1);
              for(int checkedOps = 0; checkedOps < 3 && state.hasMore(); checkedOps++) {
                final int commandOpcode = state.currentWord();
                state.advance();

                final OpType op = OpType.byOpcode(commandOpcode & 0xff);
                final int paramCount = commandOpcode >>> 8 & 0xff;
                final int opParam = commandOpcode >>> 16;

                final ResolvedValue[] params = new ResolvedValue[paramCount];

                for(int paramIndex = 0; paramIndex < paramCount; paramIndex++) {
                  final ParameterType paramType = ParameterType.byOpcode(state.paramType());
                  params[paramIndex] = parseParamValue(state, paramType);
                }

                if(op == OpType.CALL && opParam == 864) {
                  final int itemId = params[0].orElse(0);

                  if(itemId == 0xfb) {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> gold 20", scriptPath);
                  } else if(itemId == 0xfc) {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> gold 50", scriptPath);
                  } else if(itemId == 0xfd) {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> gold 100", scriptPath);
                  } else if(itemId == 0xfe) {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> gold 200", scriptPath);
                  } else if(itemId < 192) {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> equipment %s", scriptPath, LodMod.EQUIPMENT_IDS[itemId]);
                  } else {
                    LOGGER.info("%s -> item %s", scriptPath, LodMod.ITEM_IDS[itemId - 192]);
                  }
                }
              }
            } catch(final Throwable t) {
              LOGGER.error("Failed to read " + scriptPath, t);
            }
          });
        } catch(final IOException e) {
          throw new RuntimeException(e);
        }
      }
    }
  }

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:03 AM

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Hey guys, sorry for the mad noob question but... Is there a setup guide for this? :v
Also, does this work with other games like usual? Like, I played an Ocarina of Time, Donkey Kong Country 3 & Super Mario World Archipelago game, all cross-randomized. Would this work for those? I assume yes, but I might be wrong

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:12 AM

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Yes as long as those were done through the archipelago launcher or the website you can do it. Do you have the launcher?

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To start

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:28 AM

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icy vortex To start

Yes I do! We used the launcher for our cross-world randomizer

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:30 AM

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Cool well the setup guide is pretty simple here's a link right to it. https://github.com/pkolb-dev/Archipelago/blob/main/worlds/legend_of_dragoon/docs/en_setup.md

GitHub

Archipelago/worlds/legend_of_dragoon/docs/en_setup.md at main · pk...

Archipelago Multi-Game Randomizer and Server. Contribute to pkolb-dev/Archipelago development by creating an account on GitHub.

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As long as you know archipelago basics to generate and yaml stuff its just a step or 2

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:31 AM

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Ayyy that's what I was looking for, thank you!

Well, I'll have to check with my brother (he set it up) but this might get us served. Thanks a lot! :D

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 1:31 AM

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If you run into issues, please bring them up

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:31 AM

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Will do, thanks!

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 1:31 AM

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That way I can provide better information:)

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:35 AM

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earnest lion If you run into issues, please bring them up

Already might have an issue. I have Archipelagoon in the mods folder, but it doesn't show up in the mods tab in game. My version is 3.0.0-1341-beta. If you want I can provide pics

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:37 AM

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Youll need the newest Severed Chains

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1341 is ancient

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:38 AM

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Thanks. I though the CMD saying "Looking for updates" would cover that :v

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:39 AM

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Not sure i just download the newest one and extract over the old one every week ish anyways

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But for archipelago basically every run you do if you do multiple it wont hurt to keep SC updated

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And youll need to for big gaps like that

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:40 AM

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icy vortex Not sure i just download the newest one and extract over the old one every week ...

Oh can I just overrite the files by just pasting the new ones on top? I was just about to delete all the previous ones, I feared some files may get messed up

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:40 AM

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It doesnt mess with saves or mods folder

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So I just go directly over it and hit replace all files when it asks

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It shouldnt affect anything

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 1:41 AM

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Booting it up now

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Alright, there it is. Thanks for the update check!
Will tell if I find anything off... Also, is 1565 the current?

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 1:47 AM

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I think that's current new enough at least. The main website that has the github repository should always link to the newest

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Youll connect in game. And the shop/equipment might not have the little icons, and the pictures of the people are green otherwise no issues (that ive found)

dusty gull Mar 7, 2026, 1:48 AM

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You'll see an update notification on the title screen if one is available

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 5:51 PM

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earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 8:12 PM

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@dusty gull chests are about halfway done being catalogued w/ the submap ids. I will check tomorrow all the chapter 1 chests

dusty gull Mar 7, 2026, 8:12 PM

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Nice

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Let me know if there are any discrepancies between the manual list and the automatic list

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 8:13 PM

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will do, there are a few chests that don't have the typical features (trap chests, bogey chests on phantom ship) but those are fewer lol

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 8:18 PM

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... Guys

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The Yaml file said it needed Archipelago 0.6.7, but the latest version seemed to be 0.6.6... So we changed that part of the Yaml file to say "Needs 0.6.6" and it worked XD

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Unless we missed something and it won't work in the end :v

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 8:29 PM

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Yup that'll work

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If you run into another issue just keep asking its better to fix all bugs and confusion ASAP for the future 🫡

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 8:30 PM

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sullen finch The Yaml file said it needed Archipelago 0.6.7, but the latest version seemed to...

If you use the options creator with newest APWorld, it'll be visible.

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 8:30 PM

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earnest lion If you use the options creator with newest APWorld, it'll be visible.

... Where's that?

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 8:31 PM

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in the archipelago launcher, you can go to "Tool"

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it'll work with any installed APWorld 🙂

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:37 PM

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Guys, has anyone here had errors like
"[Win Error 1225] Remote device rejected connection. Connection refused by the server. May not be running Archipelago on that address or port"
?

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:37 PM

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what is the address you are trying to connect to

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typically you'll want to have archipelago.gg:XXXXX

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:39 PM

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38281 where the Xs are

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:39 PM

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can you send a screen of the input

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:41 PM

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earnest lion can you send a screen of the input

Does this work? :o

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:42 PM

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Ah, you are connecting to the wrong host

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Looks like it's that IP address on the left

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Not archipleago.gg

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:42 PM

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So what do we have to type to connect?

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We tried "/connect 179.60.64.24:38281" and it says "Failed to connect to the multiworld server"

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On my end it throws this

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:46 PM

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Try to add a slot, but i'm not sure if your ports are forwarded

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179.60.64.21:38281

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not 24

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21

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 9:47 PM

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Btw for future reference you dont need to localhost even for custom games unless you really want to

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:54 PM

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earnest lion 21

Thanks, but didn't work, with and without slot numbers. I tried 4 different slot numbers just to be sure

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Wait, we may've missed a step

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Yeah, it's working now, all this was a missed step XD

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Sorry for bothering you guys, but thanks for mentioning the slots, that reminded us the step of actually making the host room :v

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 9:57 PM

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Nope its fine he wants to be bothered so we can help other people in the future and make it easier

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:58 PM

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yup yup

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 9:58 PM

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The only thing with localhosting that you wont get is the website tracker for all the items and history

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 9:58 PM

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i'm glad it wasn't LoD

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 9:58 PM

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I think you can run the website from source somehow but ive never localhosted besides some solo asyncs

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:59 PM

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Oh, I got a crash in the first battle :o

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 9:59 PM

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Did you try to go the archipelago "other" option in the menu mid fight

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 9:59 PM

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Nope

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I just tried to access the Change Addition thingy

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 10:00 PM

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I thought that was fixed but that used to crash semi regularly and mostly a severed chains thing

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I believe (i just never change additions there because its been broken through most of this implementation)

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:00 PM

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Lemme try it without Archipelago

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Changed plans: I had to hurry so I tried Archipleagoon again. I checked the Addittion menu and it was empty, maybe that was it :v

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:08 PM

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it should not be empty

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:08 PM

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Will test with Vanilla Severed Chains later

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:08 PM

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what are your yaml options

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specifically for addition randomization

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:08 PM

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Additionsanity :D

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Also, my brother in Skyward Sword just found me Flurry of Styx XD

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:09 PM

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lmao are you connected in game

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options -> other -> archipelago settings

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:09 PM

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Yes

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Although I have not received the Poison Guard they said I got :o

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:10 PM

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that doesn't seem right

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close out of archipelagoon

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and restart it

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:10 PM

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Wait...

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Imma try that after I try something else

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I restarted it, I also opened Archipelago SNI Client since I didn't before (doesn't seem to have done anything), but the host site threw this issue:
A client connection was refused due to: {'InvalidSlot'}, the sent connect information was {'password': '', 'game': 'The Legend of Dragoon', 'name': '1', 'uuid': 'eee70567-fb75-4dc5-88c7-c73b22ba0923', 'version': Version(major=0, minor=6, build=1), 'items_handling': 7, 'tags': [], 'cmd': 'Connect'}.

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I feel like we did something out of order there ._.

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:16 PM

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is the slot name "1"

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or is it Player 1

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could you send your yaml?

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:16 PM

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Sure, gimme a second

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I think I spotted the issue :,v

📎 The.Legend.of.Dragoon.yaml

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:18 PM

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KreiserVII{1}

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:20 PM

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Precisely what I thought

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Dude, we got SO screwed by our last successful attempt, we did everything backwards on this one XD

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 10:28 PM

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Well now youre learning all the things not to do at least

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:28 PM

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Yep :v

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Now I got this error
A client connection was refused due to: {'InvalidSlot'}, the sent connect information was {'password': '', 'game': 'The Legend of Dragoon', 'name': '1', 'uuid': 'eee70567-fb75-4dc5-88c7-c73b22ba0923', 'version': Version(major=0, minor=6, build=1), 'items_handling': 7, 'tags': [], 'cmd': 'Connect'}.

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Just so you know, I didn't start the game yet, but I CAN connect

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:38 PM

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well it seems like the slot is invalid again

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:38 PM

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But I do have the yaml updated

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Imma send it again

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:38 PM

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did you regen?

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so this is a fresh seed

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:38 PM

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📎 The.Legend.of.Dragoon.yaml

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:39 PM

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earnest lion did you regen?

You mean generate a new host and all? Yeah

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:39 PM

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KreiserVII{1}

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:39 PM

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Even the hosting info was different

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 10:39 PM

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You dont need a number in the brackets btw it can just be Kreiser

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:40 PM

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icy vortex You dont need a number in the brackets btw it can just be Kreiser

But that's what made it lack the slot before, right? :O

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That's what we "got backwards"

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:40 PM

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but it doesn't make the slot name "1"

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your slot name is "KreiserVII{1}"

icy vortex Mar 7, 2026, 10:40 PM

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I mean you should be able to name it anything within normal formatting that {x} always seemed more confusing than helpful imo

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What psi just said youll probably need the brackets

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:41 PM

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earnest lion your slot name is "KreiserVII{1}"

... Imma try that

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... It worked

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:43 PM

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icy vortex I mean you should be able to name it anything within normal formatting that {x} ...

BOY DO I AGREE XD

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It works bois

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Thanks a lot for your patience

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:47 PM

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oh you got two!

sullen finch Mar 7, 2026, 10:47 PM

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I just got sent BD XD

earnest lion Mar 7, 2026, 10:47 PM

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oh nice

sullen finch Mar 8, 2026, 12:23 AM

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The session was such a success. Between Donkey Kong Country 3 and Skyward Sword we got so much.
I'll simply say: Red Dragon Armor before Fruegel :v

earnest lion Mar 8, 2026, 12:48 AM

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That's awesome to hear!

icy vortex Mar 8, 2026, 9:52 PM

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@dusty gull I was playing puzzle games until now but I finally went back to look again and no Vanishing Stone in my good gamestate editor section. This is version 1557, I also checked on my laptop version 1565 and not there, then downloaded newest 1568 and checked still not there

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No one look at that stupid Marvel Rivals shortcut please

earnest lion Mar 8, 2026, 9:54 PM

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those are goods you have

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click "Give"

icy vortex Mar 8, 2026, 9:55 PM

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....

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Well sorry for the ping then 🫡

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Im going to try to finish as much as a i can today

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 8:58 PM

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@dusty gull do I need to change my log level to get that code you posted earlier to work? it prints the .error lines, but it is completely ignoring the .info calls

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 9:34 PM

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nvm on it, i'm sure its because of how i'm running that code. I've swapped to print and got it appearing

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 9:35 PM

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You'd need to init log4j in the same way SC's Main class does

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 9:51 PM

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noticed that the marshland chests are skipped, i'll need to see why

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most likely because they have some special logic

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 9:54 PM

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Yeah almost definitely

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 9:56 PM

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chapter 1/disc 1 chests catalog'd and mapped

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L2wDzRt3Jbvof_U58Uhz0SU_9NgWsNngIXB2TzAISpQ/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Google Docs

Severed Chains Chest Scripts

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as expected, trap chests don't count, but interestingly the "goods" chests for the stones don't either

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moving to disc 2

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:05 PM

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They wouldn't use the scriptGiveChestContents or whatever

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It's only for items/equipment and 4 different amounts of gold

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:05 PM

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gotcha

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so i tried to adjust this script for disc 2 for(int i = 0; i < 1200; i += 3) { final Path scriptDir = Path.of("files/SECT/DRGN22.BIN/" + i);

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still getting disc 1 contents

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so i'm fairly certain i've missed something

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oh wait

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it would include it

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apparently it also found some chests not on this list

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interesting

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files\SECT\DRGN22.BIN\1050\4 -> item spark_net
files\SECT\DRGN22.BIN\1056\4 -> gold 20
files\SECT\DRGN22.BIN\1059\3 -> gold 20
files\SECT\DRGN22.BIN\1062\8 -> gold 100
files\SECT\DRGN22.BIN\1077\9 -> item material_shield```

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:11 PM

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I wanted to make sure I wasnt missing any but hadn't finished looking around yet

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I should've thought ahead and just had the script viewer on the whole time

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:12 PM

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looking up the file mapping

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Hellena Prison – Treasure Jump Cell – Scripts
Hellena Prison – Forklift Truck Cell – Scripts
Hellena Prison – Cave Cell – Scripts
Hellena Prison – Ladder Cell – Scripts
Lohan – Merchants Hallway to Leisure Park – Scripts
Kazas – Staircase to Throne – Scripts```

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still disc 1 items

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unless chests are added to these locations afterwards

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:15 PM

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Jump puzzle is on there line 12. 20g but as 657/2

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Do some of those chests gets used twice somehow

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:16 PM

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could be that the new script accounts for disc 2 changes

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657 isn't present in the new lest

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list*(

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:17 PM

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The disk 1 maps on disk 2 should be identical

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:22 PM

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FROM DRGN21, only with some displacements in the order```

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ah

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well that makes this a bit strange

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but i can work with it lol

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i'll turn off the alarm for now

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DRGN22/762/11
DRGN22/765/13
DRGN22/771/15
DRGN22/771/14```

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these are all missing from the list (valley of corrupted gravity)

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seems like it corrupts more than gravity lmao

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:25 PM

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The manual list or automatic list?

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:25 PM

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automatic

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:26 PM

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Ya if youre talking about the doc list preface it with Willups fucked up to help

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:26 PM

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well the thing is i did disc 2 lol

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:26 PM

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True

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:27 PM

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interesting, valley, home of giganto, and phantom ship aren't picked up

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:27 PM

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You just got a get out of jail free card and whiffed it

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:27 PM

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willups does great work for me

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for free even

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:27 PM

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That's the best kind of help

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:27 PM

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i'll own up this time

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besides its probably past psionisus' fault anyway

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that guys an idiot

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:28 PM

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All I do is play it on my laptop while I stare at Baba is You, Lingo, Filament and Patrick's Parabox puzzles that I never figure out

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I should stop starting new puzzle games tbf

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:30 PM

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the only thing i can think of is there are too many scripting things happening in those three locations

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i'll pull one up

icy vortex Mar 10, 2026, 10:30 PM

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Ship makes sense because all of the shit there

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3 bogey scenes password chest

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:31 PM

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The way I coded it, it looks for a very specific series of opcodes

earnest lion Mar 10, 2026, 10:31 PM

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gotcha, i'll post the submap object script on that doc for comparison

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(once i get my dinner)

dusty gull Mar 10, 2026, 10:32 PM

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He's some dumb script stuff for you. Every character has their own dragoon transformation script. And every single one of those dragoon transformation scripts has code for every character to set the shadow size, and checks to see if the character is in dragoon mode or not

flint folio Mar 10, 2026, 10:58 PM

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That just means they were ready for modders to shuffle DS assignments. j/k

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:21 AM

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Excerpt from Home of Giganto (DRGN22\792\8)

JMP_354_1:
call Scus94491BpeSegment::scriptGiveChestContents, stor[21], stor[26] ; itemId, itemGiven
jmp_cmp !=, 0x0, stor[26], inl[:JMP_354_3] ; operator, left, right, addr
call Audio::scriptPlaySound, 0x0, 0xa, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 ; soundFileIndex, soundIndex, unused1, unused2, initialDelay, repeatDelay
call SMap::scriptLoadSobjAnimation, stor[24], 0x1 ; scriptIndex, animIndex
call SMap::scriptToggleAnimationDisabled, stor[24], 0x0 ; scriptIndex, disabled
LABEL_20:
yield
call SMap::scriptIsAnimationFinished, stor[24], stor[25] ; scriptIndex, finished
jmp_cmp ==, 0x0, stor[25], inl[:LABEL_20] ; operator, left, right, addr
call SMap::scriptLoadSobjAnimation, stor[24], 0x2 ; scriptIndex, animIndex
call SMap::scriptToggleAnimationDisabled, stor[24], 0x0 ; scriptIndex, disabled
jmp inl[:JMP_354_2] ; addr

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curious, it shares similarities to the marshland fort scripts

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:26 AM

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It's in a jump table, what's the index for the table?

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:27 AM

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gosub_table stor[22], inl[:LABEL_19] ; index, table

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:29 AM

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And what is s22

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:30 AM

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good question! i forget where exactly to find that

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script param?

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thats a no

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:31 AM

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You need to look at the script and see where s22 is assigned

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:31 AM

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mov 0x0, stor[22] ; source, dest

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:31 AM

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It's a variable in the script

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It's only ever 0?

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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yeah

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Well that's not a very useful jump table

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What else is in the jump table?

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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LABEL_18:
mov stor[0], stor[24] ; source, dest
gosub_table stor[22], inl[:LABEL_19] ; index, table
mov 0x0, stor[22] ; source, dest
return```

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Well hold on

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It's set to 0 after the gosub_table

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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that is the second assignment

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the first is the same

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Can you show me the whole script

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:33 AM

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📎 message.txt

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:35 AM

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Table index 0 is just a return

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So clearly it's getting set to non-0 somewhere

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:36 AM

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incr stor[stor[stor[0], 23], 8] ; operand

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biblically accurate operand ig

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the only thing that comes to mind is that it might be set outside its script

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:37 AM

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I'm thinking that's the case

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:38 AM

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or set depending on story flags

dusty gull Mar 11, 2026, 12:38 AM

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earnest lion `incr stor[stor[stor[0], 23], 8] ; operand`

These are always a little silly, stor[0] is my script id, so that can be simplified to stor[stor[23], 8]

earnest lion Mar 11, 2026, 12:54 AM

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i bet its in dart's script

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that nerd

earnest lion Mar 16, 2026, 12:27 AM

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I'll be resuming the chest stuff this week

analog coyote Mar 20, 2026, 5:53 PM

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Psionisus has been cooking up a storm 👀

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 5:54 PM

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i'm trying

flint folio Mar 20, 2026, 6:30 PM

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i'm crying on your behalf.

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... oh

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 6:38 PM

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thanks 🤣

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:45 PM

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Should I be concerned about not sending items to others?

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What's the first point I reasonably should be and how does that work?

icy vortex Mar 20, 2026, 11:46 PM

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Are you receiving items to start?

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:46 PM

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I am receiving them from others, but I haven't sent a thing.

icy vortex Mar 20, 2026, 11:47 PM

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Commander fight should've sent one

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Forest shop should have a few unless you turned shopsanity off

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:47 PM

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Commander fight did not.

icy vortex Mar 20, 2026, 11:50 PM

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You have like some sort of tracker up or anything to show it?

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But forest should be easy to check and send too

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:51 PM

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what version of archipelagoon are you on

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:51 PM

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.1.2 was the newest at the time.

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:52 PM

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not the apworld

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the mod

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:53 PM

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... I don't know, I'm just using whatever's on the wiki with Archipelago launcher 0.6.7.

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Er, github\

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:54 PM

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you've received items in game?

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:55 PM

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Yes.

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https://archipelago.gg/tracker/zole6LQqRgyhWCGkowLgRw

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:56 PM

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ok shopsanity is on

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are these items visible in your inventory

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:56 PM

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I'm at Volcano Villude at this point.

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:57 PM

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and what did those shops have

jovial flame Mar 20, 2026, 11:57 PM

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I can access the items I've been sent. No shops have had any inventory.

earnest lion Mar 20, 2026, 11:57 PM

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please update archipelagoon mod

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you might have to start a new campaign

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if your shops had no inventory you aren't on latest

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:01 AM

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I'm... on 1.7.1

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I just replaced the files.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:09 AM

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oh 1.2 apworld with 1.71 mod

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:10 AM

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I used the 1.2 yaml.

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Since there was none with 1.3.1

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I'm pretty sure I used the newest apworld too.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:18 AM

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hmm

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i wonder what version that one reports

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when you go to connect to archipelago, do you see it listed as "connected"?

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:19 AM

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Apparently replacing the files made the shops work.

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shrug

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:19 AM

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x.x

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yeah newest mod fixed shops

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because yours truly "fixed" things in sc

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:20 AM

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I updated to the devbuild as well.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:20 AM

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ah, that would've done it then

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though not sure why commander isn't sending

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if you want to "check" it rq you can start a new campaign and connect to your archi, kill him and load your latest save

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:21 AM

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That might have also been broken.

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Is there a way to check which bosses send?

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Since... I probably beat more than one there.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:22 AM

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all bosses will

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:22 AM

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Then I didn't send a lot of stuff.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:22 AM

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uh oh

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also i wish "KerPhi" the best with factorio

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:25 AM

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That also means I won't get the stuff I did get sent back, will it?

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... Commander did not send anything out

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:31 AM

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Wat

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You'll get the stuff back for sure

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But if it didn't send ...

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Well, the commander event didn't fire which fucks Silent over.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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I gotta do some quick fixing

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Since I checked the spoiler and it has her lantern.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Should have a new jar to test shortly

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Okay. It's a simple swap in?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:32 AM

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Yeah you'd replace the one file

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I'll ping you when it's ready

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So sorry

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Could you send me your yaml so I can test

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:40 AM

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I'm using the one that came with .1.2's stuff, but I ddi almost no changes.

📎 LODSham.yaml

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Everything is pretty much as I downloaded it from the github outside of the name, which was explained poorly to me.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:41 AM

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outside of the name?

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oh the {1}?

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:42 AM

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Only value I touched.

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Yeah. sadcat

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:42 AM

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yeah i make the same mistake everytime

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ok cool, i'll see what I can do rq

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I'll be in chat testing

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:43 AM

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I'm still with the group at large I'm doing this with.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:43 AM

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nw no need to join

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i'm doing this for accountability xD

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interesting..

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it sends for me

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(Team #1) Plant sent Leather Armor to Plant (Commander)

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would it be ok if i connect to your slot?

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:49 AM

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Well, sure.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:49 AM

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i'll not do the fight, i just want to make sure the version matches

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what port?

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 12:51 AM

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36569

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 12:52 AM

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ok checked, version is ok

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I wonder if the console prints anything

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:02 AM

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I'm running it in bash, then.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:03 AM

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basher

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what devbuild number

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just so i can confirm same version there

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:04 AM

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1581 is the devbuild. I had just updated to be able to see shops. Not sure what I was on before.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:04 AM

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oh right you said that

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duh

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ok so on the latest devbuild (1581) and most recent mod, the check sends

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no error in my console

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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Oh, it works now.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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👀

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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I also got inundated with items so

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I have no idea why

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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were people having connection issues?

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sometimes archipelago will just d/c you

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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No, not even I was.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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well thanks psionisus

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we will say its my fault then lmao

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:11 AM

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Well, it could simply be you fixed it.

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You know the problem, when you have an issue with something at work, and ask the boss to come look?

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And then when he does it just... fixes itself?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:11 AM

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too familiar

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well at least its working now

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:13 AM

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No idea why.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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looking at the code, the only reason it wouldn't send at this point is a connection issue

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not your connection, but the mod's connection to archi

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 1:20 AM

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Is it doable to have it queue up sends then or check connectivity... ?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 1:54 AM

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the library i use for the AP connection should do something like that

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but that isn't something i can control yet

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@jovial flame https://github.com/pkolb-dev/Archipelagoon/releases/tag/v1.7.2

GitHub

Release Release v1.7.2 · pkolb-dev/Archipelagoon

What's Changed

use id string, not translation by @pkolb-dev in #73

Full Changelog: v1.7.1...v1.7.2

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possibly found the issue

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just gotta pop this in, no need to restart campaign

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 2:08 AM

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Awesome.

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So far it's working.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 2:11 AM

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bless

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 2:11 AM

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It still feels bad reporting a problem. I have Severed Chains open in bash and everything.

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I also feel half tempted to blame CachyOS because that linux distro is a heck and a half.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 2:12 AM

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I'll take that out

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definitely

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but when you say "feels bad reporting a problem", do you mean the process sucks, or that its a shame to report a problem

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...i guess it could be both too lmao

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 2:13 AM

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Especially if I'm uncertain about the origin of the problem.

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It sucks because I feel relatively unhelpful.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 2:13 AM

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i've worked with clients and customers before, its perfectly fine

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sometimes its ok to just report "this weird thing happened"

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we can always ~~blame monoxide~~ file a bug with archipelagoon and move it to SC if needed

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Disc 3 chests catalog'd and noted. only ones that weren't picked up were

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i suspect they use the same pattern as the others

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so #missable chests

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 2:37 AM

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disc 4 mapped as well

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all chests that weren't caught by this script (and have items) utilize the same pattern ; SUBROUTINE JMP_354_1: call Scus94491BpeSegment::scriptGiveChestContents, stor[21], stor[26] ; itemId, itemGiven jmp_cmp !=, 0x0, stor[26], inl[:JMP_354_3] ; operator, left, right, addr

dusty gull Mar 21, 2026, 2:48 AM

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earnest lion we can always ~~blame monoxide~~ file a bug with archipelagoon and move it to SC...

bananahammer

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 2:48 AM

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not the banana

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i've played too much league

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@dusty gull this might be an overly broad question, but what can cause public static GameState52c gameState_800babc8; to be null?

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for some context, i try to resolve gamestate private GameState52c resolveState(final GameState52c state) { return state != null ? state : gameState_800babc8; }

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I'm probably not accessing it through the proper means

dusty gull Mar 21, 2026, 3:02 AM

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If a gamestate hasn't been loaded yet

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 3:05 AM

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yeah that checks out

jovial flame Mar 21, 2026, 4:13 AM

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So it sounds like you're only getting the later discs done support now... what happens after I finish disc 1 and hit my "goal" for Legend of Dragoon?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 4:29 AM

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once you finish disc 1 thats it! no more locations to check

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all goals are supported though

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 4:58 AM

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I intentionally cut items/locations per chapter in order to make a restrictive chapter 1 goal viable. so chapter 2 opens up a lot more, but once you goal there is nothing else to do in game except probably find bugs and vanilla stuff.

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 7:23 PM

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I need to investigate what triggers those other chests outside of their scripts, so I'll be stuck on that a few days most likely

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I'll investigate darts script

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 11:20 PM

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hmm this is probably from the additional menuscreen

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 11:56 PM

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its occurring because of my render loop, but i'm not exactly sure how? the new menustack is null, so i don't think thats the culprit

dusty gull Mar 21, 2026, 11:57 PM

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Do you still need your own?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 11:57 PM

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opening the menu and exiting fixes it

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yeah, i still do 😅

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custom timer & position

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for message boxes

dusty gull Mar 21, 2026, 11:58 PM

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How does having your own menustack solve that?

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 11:58 PM

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I can render outside of menus

dusty gull Mar 21, 2026, 11:59 PM

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I'm not understanding

earnest lion Mar 21, 2026, 11:59 PM

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Previously I had some trouble trying to get the messages rendering when outside of combat or the menu, so the new menustack resolved that

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let me trying using the SItem one again

dusty gull Mar 22, 2026, 12:01 AM

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Oh right, you moved the call to uploadRenderables for custom menustacks

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:01 AM

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ye

dusty gull Mar 22, 2026, 12:01 AM

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I thought you did something so you wouldn't need your own

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Disregard

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:01 AM

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o7

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but i think i do need to do some deallocation on it

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whatever the SItem menu does when you back out "fixes" this issue

dusty gull Mar 22, 2026, 12:06 AM

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It changes the static textZ

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Which needs to be removed, but that's a job for another day

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:07 AM

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but i'm not exactly sure what changes that in archipelagoon tbh

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well hold on

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don't answer that

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:13 AM

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I am the first person to complete my run on the multiworld after fixing it a dozen times because I powered through stuff and also getting sent stuff like the dragoon armours immediately let me cheese 99% of it.

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I'll probably set it to disc 4 completion next, or maybe 50 stardust....

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:13 AM

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jovial flame I'll probably set it to disc 4 completion next, or maybe 50 stardust....

stardust isn't an option yet 😅

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yet

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but congrats!

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How did you feel about it overall?

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:15 AM

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I felt overpowered because of how multiworld progression was and I liked it, but the way the items were distributed meant I got 4 wargods callings, so there was some wank with the item distribution.

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Also, I think I won't use shopsanity in the future. That stank. Not having the items I want and also not having anything past disc 1 was not ideal.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:17 AM

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oof, i get it though

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what in particular did you want past disc 1?

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:18 AM

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I do like the archipelago items in the shop so I can buy a shitload of traps for the guy playing Sonic.

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Well, just that the shops were completely empty after you completed the goal, despite there being three quarters of the game feels off, so somehow I think using shopsanity would need to completely populate every shop, and then somehow determine whether or not the items are local or not by determining if they're past the goal.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:20 AM

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I've received feedback that having things after the goal is strange, so I did some refactoring to disk-ify the locations

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but I do think that I should add some logic to archipelagoon to allow vanilla shops if no items are present

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:21 AM

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While true, it's not exactly resolved by the distribution of goods. Disc 1 goals and getting endgame content like the friggin soul eater was bizarre.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:21 AM

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Shopsanity will also be getting tweaked to have an additional option to add vanilla items in addition to the AP ones

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:21 AM

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Oh, that actually sounds good!

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:22 AM

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or maybe a "item shops have all recovery items" thing

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:22 AM

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jovial flame While true, it's not exactly resolved by the distribution of goods. Disc 1 goals...

yeah, right now everything is weighted the same 😅

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:23 AM

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Though I do love snorting overpowered right off the bat, personally.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:23 AM

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Thats the awesome part I think of randomness tbh

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like, why not be OP?

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i could also just get bastard swords

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 12:24 AM

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Having red DG armour and soul eater of all things right at the level 1 was funny. But that's also because I had to restart a few times to get stuff to work.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 12:25 AM

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I had attack badge and a claymore in my first two checks

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dart was set

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 8:32 PM

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I'm sort of wondering why they work with the values they do instead of int/floats.

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That seems more of a platform problem than yours but it increases the difficulty of figuring out what and how to edit things because I'm used to raw unity animator data more than anything.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 8:33 PM

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not sure i am following what you are sayin'

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are you referring to weights on the items?

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 8:34 PM

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Well, also for difficulties and stuff, all being values like 0 - 50.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 8:34 PM

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oh! for the archipelago

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 8:34 PM

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Yeah, sorry for the confusion.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 8:35 PM

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nw, my best guess is its percentage based things

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and then some logic is done based off that percentage and the seed to determine the various settings/items

jovial flame Mar 22, 2026, 8:35 PM

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That's what floats are to me, too.

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Hmm, when you put it like that, it makes sense.

earnest lion Mar 22, 2026, 8:36 PM

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not me forgetting floats have decimals

earnest lion Mar 27, 2026, 7:07 PM

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shopsanity will probably be adjusted next version

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me thinks

uncut kelp Mar 30, 2026, 7:54 PM

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I cannot for the life of me get this to cooperate. Does anyone have any ideas from this error code on generation?
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "startup.py", line 121, in run
File "console.py", line 25, in run
File "Generate.py", line 588, in <module>
File "Main.py", line 365, in main
File "concurrent\futures_base.py", line 449, in result
File "concurrent\futures_base.py", line 401, in __get_result
File "concurrent\futures\thread.py", line 59, in run
File "Main.py", line 270, in write_multidata
File "C:\Program Files\Archipelago\custom_worlds\legend_of_dragoon.apworld\legend_of_dragoon\world.py", line 57, in fill_slot_data
File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 347, in getattr

earnest lion Mar 30, 2026, 7:59 PM

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uncut kelp I cannot for the life of me get this to cooperate. Does anyone have any ideas fr...

Can you send the yaml

uncut kelp Mar 30, 2026, 8:01 PM

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here it is. At this point im just using the default yaml that generates.

📎 The_Legend_of_Dragoon.yaml

earnest lion Mar 30, 2026, 8:02 PM

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what version of archipelago are you using rn?

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it shouldn't be spitting out a 0.6.3 yaml

uncut kelp Mar 30, 2026, 8:04 PM

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good question, give me one sec

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0.6.3

earnest lion Mar 30, 2026, 8:04 PM

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update to 0.6.6 and try again

uncut kelp Mar 30, 2026, 8:05 PM

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copy that boss

earnest lion Mar 30, 2026, 8:05 PM

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i'll keep looking into it either way 🙂

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i suspect its because your version of archipelago does not have the world version available to use

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you can utilize Options Creator to generate a yaml easily

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(for any installed APWorld)

uncut kelp Mar 30, 2026, 11:43 PM

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It worked, I got excited, and played for two hours. Thank you 👏

earnest lion Mar 30, 2026, 11:58 PM

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uncut kelp It worked, I got excited, and played for two hours. Thank you 👏

glad to hear! please let me know if you run into any issues 🙂 enjoy!

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 12:14 AM

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Hello! I hope this is the right channel to ask in! 😅 If not, then I have no problem deleting my message and posting it in the correct channel!

I have a question regarding setting up Archipelagoon.

I have downloaded everything I need: Severed Chains, Archipelagoon itself, as well as the Legend of Dragoon AP World. I also extracted the Archipelagoon .zip in Severed Chains' mod folder, put the AP World in Archipelago's "custom world" folder, and launched it. I start a new campaign, but I can't see Archipelagoon listed as one of the mods.

Sooo yeah, I am a bit confused on what I am supposed to do. Generating a YAML, connecting to a multiworld, all that. Everything related to Severed Chains and the game and such works perfectly it seems.
I have a feeling everything will make sense once someone explains it to me, but I am a bit lost at the moment. 😅

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 12:25 AM

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yeah if it doesn't show up that means the mod wasn't placed into the mods folder properly... can you screenshot the contents of it?

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:02 AM

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dusk nova Hello! I hope this is the right channel to ask in! 😅 If not, then I have no pro...

to confirm, you should see a .jar file and the archipelagoon folder inside your mod folder.

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with your severed chains, are you using the latest 3.0 devbuild?

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:09 AM

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Sorry for the late reply. Here is a screenshot of the folder. So I do have the folder and the .jar file.

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As for the build, I am fairly certain I'm using the latest build, since I just downloaded it directly from the website. How do I check if it's up to date? Launch Severed Chains?

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:14 AM

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launch it and it should be in the title bar

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:16 AM

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Yes, I do have the 3.0 build.

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:17 AM

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what version?

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devbuild-1***

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well i suppose that doesn't exactly matter...

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:17 AM

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earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:18 AM

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ok so when you go to new campaign, what are you not seeing? can you screen that

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:20 AM

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Here is after I press New Campaign

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And here is after I click on Mods

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I might have missed something, but from what I interpreted, Archipelagoon is supposed to show up as a mod

dusty gull Apr 2, 2026, 1:22 AM

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Send debug.log

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:26 AM

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it sounds like something is failing to load for sure

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:26 AM

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📎 debug.log

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:27 AM

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looks like it isn't finding the mod in that folder

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you only have one instance of severed chains yeah?

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:29 AM

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Yes, I do.
However, I also have one "extra" Archipelagoon folder.

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Like this

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Could that be why?

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:30 AM

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they should be up one folder

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yeah

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:30 AM

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All right, I will remove the first and test it

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And there it is!

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Figures it was something that simple

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So, what do I do now in terms of creating a YAML and connecting to a multiworld?

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:38 AM

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you can use options creator in ap launcher

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and connect in game 🙂

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(settings -> other -archipelagoon)

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:46 AM

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I found the options creator, thank you!
Last question, I promise. I can't find "settings" in the AP Launcher. Where is it? 😅

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:50 AM

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settings would be in game

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so start a new campaign and you can mess with the options

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note: before starting the campaign, you can input your port info and hit the back button to save the info. just start the game as normal and it'll connect when after cutscene

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 1:52 AM

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Ohhhh I see, my bad. I'll test it out on Monday when me and my friends are playing, then!
And I'll keep that in mind, sounds really intuitive!

Thank you so much for all your help! 😊

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 1:54 AM

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of course! if you have any other questions please let us know! i hope you enjoy it

dusk nova Apr 2, 2026, 2:05 AM

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I'll definitely let you know if there's anything else I'm wondering about, and I'm sure I will enjoy it! :D

earnest lion Apr 2, 2026, 2:24 PM

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I'll be moving towards rule builder at some point, so be sure you are on this version! (hey that one APWorld works now)

earnest lion Apr 12, 2026, 12:28 AM

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@jovial flame sorry for the ping, but I know you had gripes with shopsanity, does what i'm proposing in this description seem like it would address the problem you had?

jovial flame Apr 12, 2026, 12:29 AM

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Here? Lemme take a look.

earnest lion Apr 12, 2026, 12:29 AM

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New Options:
Shopsanity (Toggle)
Add repeatable consumables (Toggle)
Shop slot slider (5 - 15)
Minimum cost (Slider)
Maximum cost (Slider)
Randomize cost per shop (Toggle)

jovial flame Apr 12, 2026, 12:29 AM

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I'm actually in a work call right now sadcat

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That sounds actually great for the amount of customization.

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I REALLY like the randomizing cost per shop.

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The potential for tomfoolery there is immense.

earnest lion Apr 12, 2026, 12:30 AM

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perf, I've been trying to think about how I can make this more fun lol

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or i suppose more cursed

jovial flame Apr 12, 2026, 12:30 AM

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People can customize it!

earnest lion Apr 12, 2026, 12:30 AM

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yep!

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I've been inspired by hollow knight's customization for charms and notches

analog coyote Apr 14, 2026, 5:22 PM

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I will be playing LoD for Chrism’s next community AP. I’m so excited aYaaaaa

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Thank you @earnest lion for even giving us this opportunity Prayge

earnest lion Apr 14, 2026, 5:26 PM

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analog coyote Thank you <@183241067674599424> for even giving us this opportunity <:Prayge:107...

good news, i should have shop sanity reworked and released before then 🙂

analog coyote Apr 14, 2026, 5:48 PM

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LET’S GO shockultrazoom

earnest lion Apr 14, 2026, 5:58 PM

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Also can't wait to see the crazy vid chrism puts out lol

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 7:03 AM

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legend of dragoon is not in eije's lobby though

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has anybody tried to PR it?

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when a community sync gets announced they get really busy, so unless something gets done soon, chances are LoD won't get in on time

earnest lion Apr 15, 2026, 7:04 AM

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What do you mean?

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 7:06 AM

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the apworld needs to be on this list https://ap-lobby.bananium.fr/worlds

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only those games are allowed in Chrism's community sync

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here should be the explanation on how to add apworlds to that list https://github.com/Eijebong/Archipelago-index

earnest lion Apr 15, 2026, 7:09 AM

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Oh gotcha

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I'll see about following that doc

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 7:09 AM

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so my comment was mainly for Ninshi, since they say they will be doing LoD's in chris's sync, but the game is not in the lobby

earnest lion Apr 15, 2026, 7:11 AM

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I was able to get the shop sanity rework all done on the mod side of things, so all that's left is the APWorld

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 7:12 AM

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chrisPog

analog coyote Apr 15, 2026, 4:07 PM

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woven skiff so my comment was mainly for Ninshi, since they say they will be doing LoD's in ...

Oh I was unaware of this since I had only done wind waker up until now

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Thank you for bringing it up or we probably would have missed that

earnest lion Apr 15, 2026, 4:11 PM

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it seems pretty easy to set up a PR, though they have lots of processes to test the stability of the APWorld lol

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 4:14 PM

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yeah, be prepared to the real possibility of getting turned down

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eije is very methodical for this

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and they also have several PRs open and lots of apworld to be reviewed

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more every time a community sync is announced

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so it can also happen that they don't get to review it before the sync

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so better to do it sooner than later

woven skiff Apr 15, 2026, 4:15 PM

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analog coyote Oh I was unaware of this since I had only done wind waker up until now

just in case, not all core games are in Eije's lobby either, Wind Waker is so you didn't notice, but if you played another core game it might not have been in the lobby LULW

analog coyote Apr 15, 2026, 7:29 PM

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woven skiff just in case, not all core games are in Eije's lobby either, Wind Waker is so yo...

wow lmao

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guess i got lucky xd

earnest lion Apr 15, 2026, 7:50 PM

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I should have the APWorld ready for testing soon

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If anyone is interested in quick testing it

analog coyote Apr 16, 2026, 3:39 PM

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earnest lion If anyone is interested in quick testing it

Whats the best way to test it?

earnest lion Apr 16, 2026, 3:51 PM

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I'll send a jar and an apworld

earnest lion Apr 16, 2026, 4:52 PM

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Archipelagoon v1.7.3

Just a few bugfixes!

Changes

UI textboxes will render in the top right and hopefully not prevent gameplay

Fixes

FIXED: Bosses will send check even if they aren't defeated
FIXED: Goals not actually goaling

Known Issues

Talking to rose after hoax will softlock your game if you don't have Red Dragoon Spirit
Life Water/Water Bottle out-of-logic, but doesn't affect gameplay yet
Lavitz's locations unobtainable before going to kazas
- You can use the debugger to add lavitz to the party to circumvent this issue
Goods (Prison Key, Axe from the Shack, Life Water, Water Bottle) are not working if received only by AP
Some Goods (Prison Key, Axe from the Shack) are still able to be picked up despite not being sent prior

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this release does not have the shopsanity stuff and is just for the sake of fixing the playability of the mod!

analog coyote Apr 16, 2026, 6:02 PM

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Can I ask what you guys do with multiple copies of version releases in terms of directory organization

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Cause I want to help test the AP world but don’t want it to mess with my current run

earnest lion Apr 16, 2026, 7:31 PM

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analog coyote Cause I want to help test the AP world but don’t want it to mess with my current...

The jars have the versions tied to them

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So you can just move them in and out

earnest lion Apr 16, 2026, 11:08 PM

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I'll be creating the APWorld and the jar if anyone wants to do some quick testing this evening @analog coyote @icy vortex @west drum

west drum Apr 16, 2026, 11:13 PM

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oh no Psionisus found me. I can probably do some light testing tonight.

earnest lion Apr 16, 2026, 11:20 PM

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Lmao

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If ANYONE wants to test the shopsanity changes, please feel free to use these!
you will have to generate a yaml via option creator. the next version is breaking, so you'll want both the apworld and the mod.

📎 legend_of_dragoon.apworld

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these aren't technically ready yet, but please report any bugs

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a formal announcement will be posted here and in the archipelago thread once it is officially ready 🙂

analog coyote Apr 16, 2026, 11:42 PM

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earnest lion I'll be creating the APWorld and the jar if anyone wants to do some quick testin...

I'll try to make some time for testing!

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 1:40 AM

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I said that and then immediately forgot. Sometimes I feel like my brain just runs out of ram.

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 1:41 AM

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All good, I'm still cooking dinner lol I'll be in chat afterwards

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 2:02 AM

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I feel like I'm having a stroke or something. I'm not finding it in options creat...was there an archipelago update I missed? Did 0.6.7 finally come out?

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 2:02 AM

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west drum I feel like I'm having a stroke or something. I'm not finding it in options crea...

0.6.7 exists now

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 2:03 AM

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ok probably need to update which is why I'm not finding it in options creator

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hoping this doesn't brick any of the 3 archis I'm in lol

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 2:05 AM

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it shouldn't!

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 2:06 AM

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oldest still works so the rest should also be fine

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 2:06 AM

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Berserker said people have always overexaggerated that anyways

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 2:09 AM

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I've only had it break something once and it was minor in that it is easy enough to revert

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 2:18 AM

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ok i'm hoppin' in the vc

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discord will letme join eventually

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https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

Tenor

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 2:19 AM

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lol

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 2:22 AM

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Was the textbox offset on the last one too I havent done Dragoon checks in a while

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 2:22 AM

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nope its new

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(this one is actually shop sanity)
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earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 3:35 AM

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fixes bounding issues with random prices and lets you actually buy items
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icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 3:38 AM

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Okay i was cooking a steak and now just looked at it. First thought hellena 1 and forest should not default at 10 item slots its too much

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I know you can change it but I dont think people will notice

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I guess it just forces you to come back later which isnt too bad

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 3:50 AM

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I can adjust the defaults easily

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to the default shop slots

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rather than 10

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eventually when i get ~~smarter~~ the motivation i'll figure out cost weights

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 3:52 AM

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It should be good for later shops. Early shops just probably shouldnt be too many slots

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 4:06 AM

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Ok, fixed random prices again lmao.
@icy vortex took your suggestion and changed the default for the early game.

📎 legend_of_dragoon.apworld 📎 archipelagoon.zip

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testing went well, found bugs immediately

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10/10 would do again

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:15 AM

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Sounds good ill probably do some more testing with it and a repo world together then tomorrow.

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The extra items for gold might be good but you could always do battle rewards mod or just sell everything you get from other games to pay for the rando prices

west drum Apr 17, 2026, 4:17 AM

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icy vortex The extra items for gold might be good but you could always do battle rewards mo...

while the battle rewards mod is nice, archipelagoon should not be balanced around it. As for selling things that would be highly dependent on what you manage to receive.

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:19 AM

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Im never gonna use it

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But if random prices are literally a default option something needs to be figured out if battle mods isnt a soft requirement

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 4:19 AM

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I would prefer archipelagoon modify its own stuff, but it's a low priority atm

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:20 AM

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Because if prison key is like 400 in forest shop thats 2 hours of grinding

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Its really just an issue early game. Like everything else thats been an issue so far. Disc 1 stuff

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 4:22 AM

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I have an idea that I can try to implement

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I might be able to create a wrapper for the shops and give it a soft cap based on a few factors. Probably using a percentage based on the min and max. Idk I'm bad at math so it'll take some tweaking

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It might remove the min/max from the yaml

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Or maybe it'll factor that in? I'll sleep on it

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:25 AM

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Ya but base functionality is good at least

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 4:25 AM

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Yeah I want to solidify the APWorld since that needs to be as stable as possible

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:26 AM

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I might try a 3 game goal with disc 1 and just see what happens money wise in general

earnest lion Apr 17, 2026, 4:50 AM

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Sounds good!

icy vortex Apr 17, 2026, 4:49 PM

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One thing I noticed last night was the new shop positions have an unknown id name so theoretically if you hinted something in one of those slots I assume itll say unknown id but idk if itll say the shop. Ill look into it more later tonight

earnest lion Apr 18, 2026, 12:39 AM

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unknown slot name?

icy vortex Apr 18, 2026, 1:24 AM

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Yes when you pick an item in a slot that isnt there in vanilla it says picked up item from unknown id xxxxxxxxxxxx

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Ill send a screenshot later when I see what a hint looks like

earnest lion Apr 18, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I'll try to hint something. I would make sure that you are using the latest APWorld and mod I linked

icy vortex Apr 18, 2026, 5:10 PM

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It was newest. Had lower defaults ill look later tonight and make sure its the same room. Was working on hint points in a game and playing other games should be able to hint later

earnest lion Apr 18, 2026, 5:53 PM

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if you could send me the spoiler and yaml that'd be helpful 🙂

icy vortex Apr 18, 2026, 9:14 PM

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Im working on getting something together but spoiler just has normal slots it wont say the top 4 are normal items so I have to find a shop with a REPO item in created slots to see if a hint looks weird too

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Actually I have to do it for my 3rd game because most of REPO stuff is repeated items so it wont hint the right one probably

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@earnest lion here is what one of the items locations looked like in forest shop after the 4th slot I just got enough gold by selling stuff to get more checks, spoiler won't help probably but here it is too. Im working on trying to find something to hint with getting hint points without changing cost

📎 WillieGoon.yaml 📎 AP_86809996638371894921_Spoiler.txt

earnest lion Apr 18, 2026, 9:29 PM

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108_52105 is 4th forest slot

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strange

#Archipelagoon

Archipelagoon v1.7.3

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Known Issues