Quality of Life+ Build/Mod

[last ravine]

Is this normal?

[torn sluice]

gasp

No I'll fix that

[plucky wagon]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-bug-spin-gif-20919535

[torn sluice]

1.18.6

• Fixed bestiary showing -1

[torn sluice]

1.18.7

• Couple tiny fixes
• Bestiary improvements

Probably my last thing for a month. I salute you all

[full snow]

See ya Sen!

🫵

[plucky wagon]

Thank you, Verrrrrrrrry much!

[frozen hare]

Adding my take after playing vanilla dragoon and modded dragoon for what feels like 20 years, “Guard” is the most OP cost-free defensive moves I’ve ever seen in gaming, unprecedented. Essential against counterattacking enemies, spamming guard gets your HP completely back after some time, and I could have not have won most boss battles without it especially with the item limit. That then Blossom/Rose Storm and Shana being Dragoon Shana.

[full snow]

He spittin

[frozen hare]

It’s crazy how I have not seen anything that rivals it lmfao, just boring old defend

I will say Guard would probably need a nerf lol, maybe making a custom percentage that you can set to increase damage received if you spam, I would do 50%

[full snow]

Wdym by this?

I didn't write a full on statement I guess, but I thought I got the same general points through when I was discussing with KingDrag.

Either way, happy on the change

It made my Kongol noticeably difficult

[frozen hare]

Nothing like “Guard” I have ever seen in video games I’ve noticed that only costs a turn. Only thing I saw was a Persona 5 mod that mimics it.

https://gamebanana.com/mods/464463

[full snow]

Completely skimmed over the 'mod' part of what you said and was gonna say "SO WHERE WAS MY HEALING AT WHEN I FOUGHT OKUMURA?"

Yeah, its just so dang strong

[frozen hare]

Lmfao, my custom difficulty playthrough saw me leveling up 25 and making one of my personas go up 50 I think for that boss

[torn sluice]

Soooooo did you see/try my change? 🤨

[full snow]

Yes, Kongol 1 is a genuine threat and I had to spam a few magics to clutch out the win

Either that or my Dart was 1 level under

[torn sluice]

I wasn't asking you but I'll take that as an answer. I'm at the elite right before him and honestly you showed up at the worst time and I spaced out and lavitz died

he actually gave me quite a bit of trouble

The extra speed I gave them really matters when they get that one extra attack

[full snow]

Elite was pretty okay for me, but I did have to use my Breeze on it

[torn sluice]

I potioned like 4-5 times

He really had something against Lavitz

I also mistakenly unequipped the knight's shield on lavitz

which probably didnt help

and is about to not help either on Kongol

[full snow]

The boom into chain did suck, but yeah my Lavitz did tough it out

[full snow]

RIP

[torn sluice]

he's actually scary

and I love it

[full snow]

I dont know if his AoE throw attack is luck based, but holy shit I was scared whenever I chose to not Guard as Dart

[torn sluice]

HOLY FUCK

[full snow]

YEAH?

[torn sluice]

Dude that no knight shield HUUUUUUUUUURTS

He just did like 100 to Lavitz with two moves

MAN DOWN MAN DOWN

I actually ran out of potion before last hit

Had like 1 breeze and 8 potions

not mentioning the prayer

[torn sluice]

Ok I found the real first true challenge

Virage kicked my ass 🤣

I was not prepared

[frozen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-gif-16657135133189671226

If so, yes I did, what I meant was the damage reduced and healing would be cut by 50% each time it’s spammed, that would probably be the best way at a higher difficulty to balance “Guard”

[quartz spear]

can i just update and play from the point where i was?

[spice summit]

Is it possible to get this running on Linux/steam deck?

[charred girder]

SC has native support for both, so this fork of SC will also support them.

I dunno if Sen has an autobuilder for that, but you can certainly compile the code yourself using software such as IntelliJ. New project from Version Control > paste in the Github URL. There should be a run button in the upper-right corner - you can press that after you drop your isos into the local folder like normal. If you need more help, just ask.

[wanton forge]

@torn sluice how about making a character balanced option so my boy Kongol's speed isn't 30 and actually hit like a truck 😂

[formal umbra]

Firstly im loving the mod, so thanks for the work on it!
so i did a quick look to find this, i see below drew asked about letting people choose, is there a way i can easily adjust the rate on my own? like it there a specific location i can go to and change the value from 16 to something lower, if there is no plan on adding in the ability to change to the mod itself?

[remote mango]

Trucks go 30...

[torn sluice]

yes but you won't be able to use all the features completely until you make a new run

[torn sluice]

Yes but you would have to build it yourself as Drew said. I only have Windows OS so I can't build for other platforms

[torn sluice]

Could happen but I'd like to do it more across the board than just one character. I don't really have an idea of what I would do for it at the moment

[torn sluice]

I'd have to make such a setting

[formal umbra]

if that's something you'd be able to do without too much trouble, id be greatly appreciative!

[ornate estuary]

You can build for any platform and architecture

[torn sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-latina-gasp-in-spanish-dramatic-soap-opera-gif-12960529119319901085

[charred girder]

https://tenor.com/view/breathe-inhala-exhala-matelio-jane-jane-the-virgin-gif-17776934

[remote mango]

Male or female gasp? Gotta conjugate the gender right.

[remote mango]

Uh... I got a question.

Why am I getting those warnings every time I save?

[spice summit]

Ok so I have the game running under Linux in the IDE. Everything seems to work correctly except a crash when trying the bestiary. Get a no such file exception for bestiary_graphics.png. said file does exist

[torn sluice]

Seems you're missing some files

Do you know what branch you're on

[spice summit]

Qol everything. Also it seems to be that the bestiaryScreen.java doesn't like the \ in the file path for textures I changed it to "archive_screen", "bestiary", "bestiary_graphics.png" and rebuild. the crash now happens at the next path to have the \

[torn sluice]

It's probably more that linux path is / instead of \

or actually maybe //

do try /

[spice summit]

Will do and I'll get back to you

[torn sluice]

actually if this works "archive_screen", "bestiary", "bestiary_graphics.png" that's probably the better solution

But I'll do that myself

[spice summit]

Changing the \ to / works also. The statistics screen has the same issue.

[torn sluice]

Yeah it will

Should be the only two

and then in theory if you wanna build you can 'gradlew build' in a terminal in the root directory of the repo

I think

[spice summit]

I'll take your word there. This is the 1st time I've messed with anything like this. I'm new to Linux and learning as I go.

[ornate estuary]

@torn sluice you should always use forward slashes in paths

[spice summit]

one last thing. now that i have it running in intellij how do i get it as a stand alone?

[ornate estuary]

You don't actually need intellij, the build script I wrote handles everything

Run ./gradlew build

It'll automatically build it for your OS and arch

If you need to cross compile you can pass it -Pos and -Parch

[spice summit]

Got it working. Thanks all I appreciate the help.

[proper latch]

Just installed the QoL build and am trying to load save files from an emulator. I put the mcr file into the saves folder, and it does seem to be detecting the file and asking me to name the new campaign, but then it just takes me back to the main menu and there's no "continue" option. Am I missing something?

[remote mango]

Have you tried making a folder inside the save folder and putting the save in there? That's what I see when I look at my saves.

The folder name would become the campaign name.

[proper latch]

Yeah, I tried that. Didn't do anything, and didn't show up as one of the "continue" options (I also started a new campaign and quickly saved to see what the save files normally look like).

[remote mango]

What about putting the mcr file in that campaign folder that you made?

[proper latch]

You mean in the campaign that I started with "new campaign" option? That's what I'm trying now.

Yeah, didn't work. Didn't even recognize that there was an mcr file this time.

Tried the mcd files, too, but those don't work at all.

It's so weird, it's recognizing that there's a file there to convert, but then it just...doesn't.

[charred girder]

The emulation file should only be placed directly within /saves.

[proper latch]

Yeah, that's where I put it. I get the screen saying a PS1 memory card was detected, but when I hit "accept", it goes back to the main menu and nothing happens.

[torn sluice]

can you give me your mem file

[proper latch]

I tried copying both to the saves folder - tried just one, then just the other, then both, since I wasn't sure why exactly there's 2.

[torn sluice]

ok got it

think there was a bad merge around that corner

Will get a new build up in a sec

1.18.8

• Fixed memory card conversion
• Fixed texture paths

[remote mango]

Eeeyyy. Sen with the proper fix!

[proper latch]

Whoa, nice! Thanks! I'll test it out shortly 🙂

[proper latch]

Works great! THANKS!! 🥳

[plucky wagon]

Sen out on Vacation and cant help but fix stuff anyways

what a hero

[balmy ridge]

The Dark Side is strong in this Salamander.

[balmy ridge]

Man

[balmy ridge]

Okay, this is just mean.

[charred girder]

Mean but fitting!

[balmy ridge]

My OCD would like to disagree with you Drew.

[torn sluice]

Unless you wanna get me a better photoshop, you're not getting better from me 😆

[torn sluice]

I'll fix that eventually™

[torn sluice]

This is an interesting one

[balmy ridge]

You are 75% of the pings I just got right now.

[torn sluice]

Happy to be such a big part of your day

[balmy ridge]

Since you're here, Fowl Fighter is only fought 4 times. No way to 100% it's entry atm

Welp, Lavitz died again and I only got 1 flawless Flower Storm with him =(

Of course I get a flawless with Albert the 1st time -_-

[torn sluice]

https://tenor.com/ff81qekZcN1.gif

Has the 5 kills instead of 10 been feeling better/righter?

[charred girder]

What is it, the climb to Fruegel II?

[balmy ridge]

Yeah

[balmy ridge]

Much better.

[charred girder]

Huh. I will check to make sure we don't have an error in the general docs.

[balmy ridge]

HUH

[torn sluice]

keep reporting those and we'll get it all sorted out in time

[balmy ridge]

OW

That's more then what a Healing Potion recovers ._.

Why does Doel's Spark Net deal so muc freakin' damage?

Shana and maybe Haschel might not be a bad idea for this fight.

[torn sluice]

Lavitz/Albert are pretty weak to magic

[remote mango]

So is Kongol.

[formal umbra]

the battle with 2 sandora soldiers in hoax have their own ids i guess and thus cant be completed, the sandora soldiers in the marsh are different. crafty thief with mappi are also this way being only 2 and the ones at home of gigantos are different. there is a missing will o wisp #101 that i couldn't get to find anywhere as well as what looks to be an unknown terminator #183. there conterparts are showing fine however. other that those and the ones already mentioned the besiary looks good!!

other than that i thoroughly enjoyed my extreme perma death run, had quite a few close calls getting used to the new guard mechanic xD
this QoL mod was great so thank you very much for your work on it 🙂

[charred girder]

Sen and I spoke about possible alterations for minor mobs that show up as boss minions. For right now boss-minion variants are meant to be listed separately, and yeah they can only be encountered in a limited capacity.

as for dupes, it's something we need to research or get help researching. We are aware of a few, like Fire Spirit (one variant has a higher drop rate and the slightest stat change ever), but a few others are unaccounted for atm.

it can simply be the case that some of the dupes you're seeing are unused. Most of the dupes are already filtered out (Scissorhands has the most), but we wanted to take a careful look before removing those.

[formal umbra]

yeah i was able to complete those more rare encounters, just wanted to point out the missing ones. i even tried finding them via the debug menu but couldn't. i saw all of the scissor hands ones of course lol

[charred girder]

oh, thank you for server boosting by the way!!

[formal umbra]

you're welcome, LoD has always been my favorite game and all the work being done here its the least i could do!

[balmy ridge]

I was beaten to the Crafty Theives issues dangit

[formal umbra]

i had been meaning to send them all at some point today as i just finished my run last night, you technically you beat me first

[torn sluice]

If we now know what's all missing/wrong, could we make a bullet point list out of it just so I don't miss anything

pretty please

🥺

[balmy ridge]

• Fruegel 2
• Fowl Fighter
• Lloyd (Lohan)
• Wire
• Crafty Thief (Barrens)

I think that's all that was reported so far today.

[formal umbra]

• Sandora Soldiers (Hoax) Only 2 available
• Will o Wisp (#101) Missing Enemy
• Terminator (#183) Missing Enemy

[balmy ridge]

wth is this? I do not remember seeing looking like this around the Valley of Corrupted Gravity.

[formal umbra]

probably blue bird

[balmy ridge]

Yeah, Blue Birb

[charred girder]

Sen and I talked about order of appearance as default. Originally I had all the Rares at the very end of the list, but decided it was better to position them based on the first area they can be encountered.

(if there are any issues with default order, blame me)

[torn sluice]

Thanks guys. I'll make sure to get to it upon my great return

Also congratz on your perma death run. From the bit I played on extreme that's pretty impressive

Glad you enjoyed

Did the difficulty keep up the whole way through?

[formal umbra]

honestly as i leveled additions it wasnt too bad and towards the end i just slapped on the op armor to grind so i didnt have to pay as much attention

having kongol, haschel and meru still make the game really easy the higher level they get

[full snow]

YOO I RAN KONGOL HASCHEL MERU

Kongol more as an experiment, but honestly with speed items and Dragon Helm he's a proper unit

[formal umbra]

i would have swapped haschel for albert but destroyer mace is too op xD

[full snow]

I swapped with (some person with a white Dragoon stone idk) occasionally, but honestly all three are very solid

(Yknow, and my Albert died)

He took psychic damage when he got the Moon Gem pulled out

[formal umbra]

[faint moat]

With a bestiary like that, it would be nice if there was a "scan" spell of sorts to bypass needing to kill the enemy multiple times. For the people that don't want to over level and such

[plucky wagon]

I feel like adding that wouyld go beyond the scope of QoL

maybe add an option to swap between:
Beginner Bestiary - Everythign gets unlocked in 1 Kill
Easy Bestiary - 1,2,3
Normal Bestiary - 1,3,5
Hard Bestiary - 1,5,10
Expert Bestiary - 5,10,20

that could be fun

[balmy ridge]

So I'm not sure if this is a SC issue or an issue with the QoL mod but, every time I buy the /Phantom Shield/Armor of Legend/Legend Cascade. Only 5,000 gold is taken instead of the listed 10,000. I am also unable to buy them if I have under 10,000 gold.

[torn sluice]

I shall investigate

[charred girder]

Hey @cyan cloud , just saw your advert. You can simply use this fork of SC for tracking your accuracy. All its features are optional, so you can stick to just that or try the other things if you wish.

Some of the extra options include tougher addition mechanics, such as a shorter frame window.

[cyan cloud]

Hey thats great!

I've been discovering more features every day since i've started playing it and streaming it. On my second playthrough already

[charred girder]

Indeed. Enjoy the many stats it tracks, haha.

[cyan cloud]

You guys are going to corner me into a third playthrough 🤣

[full kindle]

It’s worth the extra playthrough. 👍

[cyan cloud]

I think right now im on playthrough 6 all time, but I might be streaming 3 back to back playthroughs at this point. The audience is growing and I feel like i'm finding a new mod / feature every day I look

[charred girder]

That's the idea! More replay value heh.

[cyan cloud]

TY, I just made a donation to the project as well through the link on the main page. Breathing new life into this game is actually gods work lol

[charred girder]

Remember, Soa is the enemy. So thank.. uh... let's go with the War God.

[cyan cloud]

[ornate estuary]

Thank you, I appreciate it

[remote mango]

Oh, so I can finally tell you this: You're the only live that keeps invading my Tiktok FYP! XD

[cyan cloud]

Haha wonderful! I'm trying to carpet bomb tik tok with LoD videos

[remote mango]

You are succeeding!

[cyan cloud]

I'll be LIVE tonight at 830 EST for another "Grand Stream" on your FYP

[charred girder]

I can't wait to hear more about your fiscal year projections! =D

[balmy ridge]

Just had the game crash when using the Sachet item on a Red Bird enemy.

Not consistant since this was the 2nd time I used a Sachet on a Red Bird.

[ornate estuary]

Unless you've (Senerio) changed that code, looks like it's because target.getEffectiveMagicDefence() was 0

[torn sluice]

Hmmmmm I didn't change that code directly but the enemy stats are modified so perhaps indirectly. Though strange it's not consistent

Thanks for the pointer though. I'd have a hard time figuring that out 😆

Thrown a bunch and no repro so far

@charred girder The price for the legend gear is 5000 a piece right?

[ornate estuary]

10k

Buy price is 2x what the item's cost is set to

[torn sluice]

ok

There you go

I was puzzled

So I'm assuming that's the missing step
final ShopSellPriceEvent event = EVENTS.postEvent(new ShopSellPriceEvent(shopId_8007a3b4, entry, entry.getPrice()));

[ornate estuary]

Is that something you changed or is it broken on main?

[torn sluice]

Nah it's probably me

Did a few things around there

Not knowing I take the item price instead of the inventory item price

[balmy ridge]

I changed it with the debugger. Don’t know why I would change the MDF stat tho. 🤔

[torn sluice]

Aaah yeah that's probably it

[charred girder]

Glad to be of assistance ;)

[torn sluice]

Yes thanks. We good ! I fixed it

[low ibex]

I just tried this and I gotta say, it's great actually.
If it would include swapping party members mid-battle, I'd call it the perfect version of the game once HD textures are available.

[charred girder]

@low ibex see here: https://discord.com/channels/307164262063669248/1347139291813253161

[low ibex]

yeah, i saw that too but there is nothing to be used yet, right? At least i didn't see a mention of a download or anything. i'd gladly test it though if there is a standalone version at some point.
it feels like it should be part of this one though, as that's very much a QoL feature if nothing else

[charred girder]

Correct, it's a preview. Each thread under #1197953830764171407 may be a concept on paper, or a released mod.

I think it'd be fun to have, but not necessarily QoL as it'd destroy game balance without a big drawback built into it. Any customization really depends on what the surrounding systems are, in order for it to be a good fit instead of a generic fit. But of course, can compensate with other customizations! 😈

[low ibex]

I'd argue that the drawback being the use of the turn with no defensive action and no option to undo, is already pretty acceptable. For me it counts towards QoL because
a) I like maxing additions pretty early on and having the option to switch a character that just reached 99 (because completion) for one that still needs points would be nice and
b) If you forgot that stepping on a spot triggers a boss battle while having unsuitable party members with you can be annoying. That just happened to me in the valley of corrupted gravity the other day.

But i don't want to further derail the thread. I really just want to have it suggested, in case the other mod won't be completed or added as a feature in SC itself.

[charred girder]

That is true. I gave the same reason for addy swap being vital. Forgot to switch from Burning Rush to Crush Dance? No problem.

@visual garnet what do you think, wanna talk to Sen about incorporating it into his fork, or prefer to keep separate?

[visual garnet]

sure, he can grab it

its in character-swaps branch or smth on my fork

it was swaps

[torn sluice]

1.18.9

• Fixed a bunch of bestiary entries
  • Should be completable now
  • Some entries will need a new game (or redo fight with debug (Fruegel II)) to be completed
• Fixed equipment purchase using the wrong price

@balmy ridge just for you

[balmy ridge]

:3

Fruegel 2 Still not filling out @torn sluice

Anyone know entry 91 is? It seems I've missed that one.

Also, this is frieghtening ._.

[balmy ridge]

Windigo and it's Heart's HP bars overlap.

[remote mango]

Is that true at every angle?

[balmy ridge]

Yes except for this angle where the HP bars are hidden underneath the terrain.

[torn sluice]

Did you redo the fight?

[balmy ridge]

yeah, 3 times

[balmy ridge]

Holy hell, Polter Armor did 648 damage to Albert with Night Raid even though he has the Legend Cascade equipped ._.

The overlapping HP bars also occurs with Polter Armor and Polter Helm from all angles.

Polter Helm shows up in Turn Order box even though it's dead.

[torn sluice]

@balmy ridge I just tried and it works. It's probably that you've already seen him so your stat for it is probably not in a state the code is expecting it to be

you can send your stat file to me and I can fix it if you want

Otherwise on a new game it should work 100%

[balmy ridge]

Which file is the stat file?

[torn sluice]

.stat

[torn sluice]

try redoing the fight with that

[balmy ridge]

Note to Self: Don't save in Ulara's shop.

[torn sluice]

OOPS

Hope you can fix that 🤣

[full kindle]

noted @balmy ridge

[balmy ridge]

The Fruegel fight will send me back to Seles don't worry.

[torn sluice]

truuuuuuuuue

smart

and you get to watch lavitz die for the 5th time

[balmy ridge]

The entry is filled in now.

Got to see him die in Hoax this time.

[torn sluice]

https://tenor.com/bg1OG.gif

[balmy ridge]

Now to wrap back to Ulara o.o

I WARPED BACK TO THE SHOP

increase map ID by 1

Fixed

Huh, Loading a save where that's in the same map as you're currently will have the menu music continue to play instead of the map's theme.

[torn sluice]

you somehow found an incredible bug

[balmy ridge]

I've had experience in QA before.

[stray kettle]

So I’m playing on hard mode and all enemies have double HP(+100%). I thought that was if I played on extreme that would be the case. Wasn’t sure if I downloaded the wrong version or not

[torn sluice]

If you're on hard they should definitely have 50% more

[stray kettle]

Okay that’s weird. I restarted the game and they do have 50% more HP. So it might be a slight bug but I started a game in hard beat the commander then saved it. Went back to the main menu and started a new game on extreme to see how much harder and I got annihilated by the Commander. Then switched back to my save for hard mode (didn’t close the entire game, just went back to main menu to continue hard mode save after getting game over on extreme difficulty ) and in the bestiary of my hard mode save it showed every enemy having double hp. But then having completely exited the game back to my desktop and restarting now the enemies have their proper HP on hard mode.

So I was able to reproduce that bug. If you start on hard mode and save it then start a new game on extreme and without saving go back to the main menu through a game over and return to your hard mode save file, all enemies have their extreme difficulty stats. I have to completely shut the game down then restart it for it to go back to normal.

Don’t need a game over. It’s just if you start a new game on extreme then go back to your save file from hard mode the enemies keep their extremes stats.

[plucky wagon]

King of finding hyper specific bugs

[torn sluice]

Interesting

Thanks for figuring that out I'll look into it

[torn sluice]

Uploaded 1.18.10 with the fix

[mighty girder]

The bestiary you have is giving me the catch-them-all itch, love how clean it all looks

[torn sluice]

Thanks! Worked hard to align all the pixels!

[mighty girder]

What resource did you use for populating the mob stats? I'm currently fixing up the wiki for mob entries, and there were unfortunately some inaccuracies. As it gets fleshed out though, it's going to have a lot of info that you might be interested in for the beastiary like movesets, moveset probabilities (for minor mobs only for now,) counterattack data, encounter formations and IDs, possibly location encounter data, some neat trivia, and a partridge in a pear tree. (Disclaimer: partridge in a pear tree sold separately)

[charred girder]

Oh, you sweet innocent person. 😈

[torn sluice]

Straight from code

[charred girder]

It's partially my fault for making him privvy to our resources to begin with.

[mighty girder]

I probably should have guessed given it's a mod, you'd have direct access to game info, but I've been buried in spread sheets the last few days haha

[charred girder]

Surely you know I'd be flirting about the archive! XD

And yes, I mean to use that word.

[balmy ridge]

HP bar for "GhostFB" completely overlaps the HP bar for. Dragon Spirit.

Bestiary states Spectors are found on the Phantom Ship but I just fought 2 in Myafil.

[balmy ridge]

This only occurs with the Feyrbrand and Divine Dragon Spirits since Regole's spirit does not have a dummy enemy.

[charred girder]

The Spectre is my error, I believe. I will fix it, thank you.

[remote mango]

I had the same overlap when fighting the Wendigo with it and its heart.

[balmy ridge]

Wheeze

Anyone know what entries 131-134 are? Those are only entries I'm missing besides Zeig.

[charred girder]

I'm not sure... the entries in the internal doc I have access to don't match your display.

[visual garnet]

Judging by positioning, there are some enemies before faust in flanvel in faust's section

[mighty girder]

Probs Basilisk, Madman, Dragon Soldier, and Metal Fang

[balmy ridge]

Yeah, I had encounters disabled while back tracking to Flanvall.

Huh, Only 1 Madman from Encounter ID 179 counts towards completion.

and that ID encounter has 2 Madman in it.

173, 174 and 175 have a single Madman but it doesn't count towards completion.

[charred girder]

There are clones of Madman in the enemies table. It's probably that two different variants are used in the 2x spawn, and only one is registered for tracking in hte bestiary

that same one must be called in the solo encounter(s).

in total there are six Madman entries. Not all of them are used, but at least two are.

[torn sluice]

There are in fact two madman entries, but one is hidden. I've made it so killing Madman 144 increases Madman 56 (those are actually character ids, not bestiary #)

but if killing any of them doesnt increase the kill count then I'd have to look into it

[charred girder]

Did you just cull the extras, or did I mess something up when I pressed enter just now?

[torn sluice]

I moved them haha

scroll down to mayfill

feel free to relocate

[charred girder]

???

There should be no Madmen for Mayfil.

[torn sluice]

Talking about the specters

[charred girder]

Okay, well you were talking about Mad Men, and I am asking you about them.

I checked version history, nothing was removed. However, there are extras in the raw dump.

One has null stats, two have very low stats (6 HP?). Maybe an old consideration for Forest.

the other three appear to have identical stats, so maybe there's another clone to account for since you're only tracking two?

[torn sluice]

Are we still talking about Mad men? 🤣

I just checked and I have them reversed

I hid id 56 but that's the one I'm tracking in game so I'm inversing that

[charred girder]

I hope so, I'm just confused why Spectre suddenly came up.

Now, there are three Madman enemies with identical stats. You said you're tracking two. So, as I said, if one of them isn't counting toward kills, which you noted, then maybe the third one that needs to be tracked.

[worn fern]

There are two spectres in mayfil.

Both are used.

[charred girder]

Wanna chime in about Madman too?

I can't tell which ones are used or not, apart from the obvious 3 with low/null stats.

[worn fern]

Have y'all done this same exercise for... fire spirit... sandora soldier.. salamander... whatever the specters are called on Phantom Ship

[charred girder]

afaik some are on the to-do list already. just trying to solve one case at a time.

[torn sluice]

I've checked a bunch already

The madman issue is a mishandling by me that i just fixed

[worn fern]

The Madman from the Faust area? Yes there are two of them and they are both used.

[torn sluice]

I think Skye's been pretty thourough about filling the entries and reporting issues so think we're 👍

[worn fern]

Retail contains 4 unique monster ids and can have 6 monster ids
So the first 4 mnids are the unique monsters the spawns, the 5th mnid onwards is each slot.

[charred girder]

that's a lot of data. <_<

[torn sluice]

he's got it all

Fixed madman/specter entries in 1.18.11

[charred girder]

Ah this also fixes the Spectre location error I was going to fix. #ninja'd

Do hashtags support apostrophes??

[torn sluice]

I did in fact ninja it

[charred girder]

Too bad it wasn't about the Sandora Elite lmao.

[torn sluice]

1.18.12

• Further improved bestiary entries
  • Added some sub entries for missing "entities" such as body parts (polter, virages, divine dragon, windigo, etc)

[balmy ridge]

The Hellena Wardens from the first Fruegel fight is still incomplete.

Same with Senior Warden

(Don't ask why I have 4 of those defeated I have no idea)

Wounded Virage (Body and Arm) should only need to be defeated once to complete.

COuld've sworn Dragoon Doel was complete unless the 2nd defeat messed something up.

wait, How do I have 2 counts of defeated there?

Human Doel only has 1

Crafty Thief from Mappi fight in Barrens incomplete.

[balmy ridge]

On second thought, Just have all Virage Parts fill in once the head is defeated. Much easier. (Same with Divine Dragon)

Windigo's heart is incomplete.

Polter Helm and Sword are incomplete.

Lavitiz's Spirit is incomplete.

Caterpillar and Pupa are incomplete.

There's no entry for Micheal's heart.

Shadow Blade & Light Sword are incomplete.

These are all the issues I've spotted with the new version. (All this from my save at the very end of game.)

[balmy ridge]

Start of reports.

[charred girder]

No wonder Windigo is so angry.

[torn sluice]

Thanks. It's just a general issue with sub entries

[torn sluice]

He wasn't a sub entry before and he gets two kills because the encounter starts with him being spawned and then 'code' kills him to I guess make him not there

I'll see if I can somehow hack it

[torn sluice]

@ornate estuary Would you per chance know of a flag I can use to know the battle has actually started (any first bent is taking a turn)

Actually saying that if I'm lucky I can maybe check for currentTurnBent null

It is my lucky day !

Hopefully there isn't a way it can get nulled mid battle

1.18.13

• Added Michael's Core to Michael's sub entries
• Fixed bestiary sub entries not being fully unlocked
• Fixed certain bosses showing they have been defeated more than once (Doel Dragoon)
  • Will only be correct on a new game if you've already defeated him

[ornate estuary]

Don't think it can

[eternal mantle]

I would humbly like to request a Linux build, if not in the scope I'll learn to compile it eventually. Haha. Such a good mod but locked to the Windows build.
EDIT: I will anecdote this that the Windows build is working beautifully.

[torn sluice]

I'll try to get one up eventually™

[torn sluice]

@ornate estuary What's the trick for building to other platforms. Been digging into the build.gradle file and gradlew tasks but I can't seem to find exactly what I need to do. cry

[ornate estuary]

-Pos=os -Parch=arch

Look at the github action def

[torn sluice]

I'm really just a git/gradle rookie so there's probably a better way to see those but I see publish.yml has commands for different build commands

[ornate estuary]

Yeah that's it

That has the command line params for each OS and arch combo we build for

eg ./gradlew build -Pos=linux -Parch=x86_64 -Psteamdeck=true

[torn sluice]

yep yep

Thanks !

[ornate estuary]

You're welcome

[torn sluice]

@eternal mantle Uploaded different platform builds

let me know if it works as expected

[eternal mantle]

You're amazing, will definitely.

[eternal mantle]

Think you build the archives a little funky, I had to extract the zip on Windows 'cause no file manager I tried on Linux would actually extract it with the paths. I think it's a .zip issue specifically but I didn't look too much into it.

Either way; after getting it all extracted, the thing runs like a charm. Transferred my saves from the windows one and it's working great. Thank you bunches. ❤️

[ornate estuary]

FYI @torn sluice the standard windows zip utility will unzip fine on linux

[torn sluice]

I thought that's what I used

I made a .bat to create build and zip them all

[torn sluice]

I used powershell to zip but seems I should use tar.exe

[eternal mantle]

The built-in speed up on R2 works absolutely fantastic. It's faster and smoother on the native Linux build. Fantastic QoL mod man. I'm already on Chapter 2 I've been having so much fun with it.

[torn sluice]

@eternal mantle You're welcome. I re-uploaded the builds with a new compression command. Mind trying the linux one to see if it opens?

[remote mango]

That would destroy me. I love it!

[eternal mantle]

This one works fine! 😄 Nice job.

[full snow]

Oh sick, can't wait to try

[torn sluice]

1.18.14

• Party Frenzy

[silver valve]

Does Party Frenzy, at all, prioritize anyone? Like, maybe, lowest level members, or anything?

[torn sluice]

nope

[proper latch]

(posted this in the wrong channel at first. Definitely time for bed lol)

Can someone give me more info about the turn order box? I'm noticing that it's pretty inaccurate, mainly in boss battles. I keep trying to strategize based on whose turn is next and getting screwed because the enemy suddenly gets a turn that they weren't supposed to get according to the turn order. Coming from FFX and being well versed with its CTB system, this is driving me nuts 😅 Am I not understanding how it works, or is it just not super reliable because of the underlying game mechanics?

[mighty girder]

You're probably experiencing retaliate. Some bosses when targeted for an attack, have a chance to immediately make a counterattack that ignores turn order entirely

[mighty girder]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wy4S8o8ok7STUrXe03rio228gmRqjNYuEq9VPsF5GR8/edit?usp=sharing

You can use this to see which bosses have it and which don't, just in case the turn order box is actually bugged

[torn sluice]

It's also just a simulation, or forecast if you will, of the turns

Much like weather forecast, said turn forecasts can be wrong

As Wulves pointed out there are events that will make the predictions false and therefore pretty much invalidate the turn order, possibly even making it completely different from what it was before it happened

Also FYI turn order was implemented in core SC. I only made it somewhat pretty.

[silver valve]

Found a bug, also happened with Rose in the previous fight. Sound is using the wrong sounds.

Just crashed,

java.lang.RuntimeException: An error occurred while ticking script 7
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptManager.executeScriptFrame(ScriptManager.java:189)
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptManager.tick(ScriptManager.java:52)
at legend.game.Scus94491BpeSegment.lambda$gameLoop$46(Scus94491BpeSegment.java:417)
at legend.core.RenderEngine.lambda$init$18(RenderEngine.java:644)
at legend.core.platform.WindowEvents.onDraw(WindowEvents.java:358)
at legend.core.platform.SdlWindow.tick(SdlWindow.java:352)
at legend.core.opengl.Action.run(Action.java:46)
at legend.core.opengl.Action.tick(Action.java:32)
at legend.core.platform.PlatformManager.run(PlatformManager.java:94)
at legend.core.RenderEngine.run(RenderEngine.java:1066)
at legend.core.GameEngine.start(GameEngine.java:262)
at legend.game.Main.main(Main.java:43)
at legend.game.MainWindows.main(MainWindows.java:38)
Caused by: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: Index 3 out of bounds for length 3
at legend.game.Scus94491BpeSegment.loadCharAttackSounds(Scus94491BpeSegment.java:2143)
at legend.game.Scus94491BpeSegment.scriptLoadCharAttackSounds(Scus94491BpeSegment.java:2643)
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptState.scriptExecuteSubFunc(ScriptState.java:1034)
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptState.runOp(ScriptState.java:625)
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptState.executeFrame(ScriptState.java:412)
at legend.game.scripting.ScriptManager.executeScriptFrame(ScriptManager.java:185)
... 12 more

After using Dart Transformation.

[plucky wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/sfx-nik-nocturnal-sound-effects-special-effects-guitarist-gif-17726405

[violet rune]

Hi! my turbo r2 mod is not working properly on my end, it stutters when i press it instead of making everything faster, is there something that maybe im doing wrong?

[torn sluice]

Perhaps your hardware cant take the speed up

[torn sluice]

do you have party frenzy on?

Makes me think some stuff might be loaded before I swap the party

[ornate estuary]

When do you swap it

[torn sluice]

A place that really doesnt sound right let me tell you 😆

tickAndRenderTransitionIntoBattle

nested in an if where I made sure it happens only once at the very least

that worked for the encounter stat cuz it doesnt care about loading anythimg, so I chucked it there without checking

not that its any better but I think that's what I found at the time

[ornate estuary]

Bttl is loading while the transition is happening

Try it early in the bttl initializers

[torn sluice]

is there a function conveniently named battleInitialize

Been a while now but I think I struggled finding all the loading points and the order they get fired in

Checking again

[worn fern]

find the battle fuzzy transition code

[torn sluice]

isnt that tickAndRenderTransitionIntoBattle and renderCombatDissolveEffect?

maybe scriptLoadGlobalAsset??

is stage or bents loaded first?

From my findings stage is first so I might move the code to loadStage

[worn fern]

ah my old emulator code was based off the encounteraccumulator. i had to swap in dart for the "no dart" character right before battle loaded.

[ornate estuary]

tick is the entrypoint to every engine state

[torn sluice]

ok hadnt actually watched that yet but that gave me a good chuckle

can say that it's still not fixed in loadStage 😭

[ornate estuary]

Show me how you're swapping chars

[torn sluice]

just shoving new ids in gameState_800babc8.charIds_88

I figured if done soon enough it should be fine

but perhaps there's another place where they need to also be changed

[ornate estuary]

Look at the code that loads player sfx

[torn sluice]

does that function happen to have SFX in its name

I do see an import on characterSoundFileIndices_800500f8

suspicious

[visual garnet]

check char swaps

[torn sluice]

hmmmm dont think there's anything there

unless it's happening somewhere else the code when you input swap looks like so

        gameState_800babc8.charIds_88[this.primaryCharIndex] = secondaryCharIndex;
        secondaryCharIds_800bdbf8[this.secondaryCharIndex] = charIndex;
        this.loadingStage = 1;```

Running some debug on loadCharAttackSounds to see how the arrays operate

ok code doesnt run through there... next 🤣

confused

OK

I found initBattle and everything is solved

1.18.15

• Fixed party frenzy crashes™

[violet rune]

it's a steamdeck, i dont think it should be struggling

[torn sluice]

I wouldn't really know then

The turbo mode only leverages the built-in game speed function

[violet rune]

Thank you for trying to answer tho

[snow root]

Party and Addition Frenzy Mode? I want it so bad now XD

[torn sluice]

It can all be yours for the small price of 0.00$

[charred girder]

Can't do it, I'm below the poverty line. 🤪

[snow root]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-face-gif-18813295

[plain pine]

move

[torn sluice]

Back in full action tomorrow evening. Not that there's anything I have in mind to do. Next big thing is probably Dramod compatibility investigation once that's ready

[cyan cloud]

Excited to start playing this QoL + Build

[neon moon]

@torn sluice I've had 2 crashes in a row with combat 431 on win using the debug f12 and start was unable to copy the log also 443, 434 & 439 also crashes on win. 437 and 435 also crash going into the battle

[torn sluice]

not all debug combats will start and end properly

[wanton forge]

Hmm, Sen, might I suggest adding an option for character balancing, or even an option to customise character stat/stat growth?

[torn sluice]

That goes a little too far beyond QoL

[cyan cloud]

The chart of statistics is outstanding. The kind of thing I used to dream of being in the game

Batting 1.000 with Lavitz so far

[plucky wagon]

Was playing retail and just did the Phantom Ship, and it made me think...

would it be possible to QOL Update the treasure chest puzzle somehow

so you dont have to do it like, 7 times to get all the rewards

like, make it where instead of hard goals per level, its just 1 level, where you get a different reaward based on how many tries it took

same values as the original

just... faster

[charred girder]

Maybe? There are many problem points: the back-and-forth traversal, the number game itself, and the rewards. I think most of the rewards are too niche. To add, their sell value is bad for the time invested (could've farmed that gold faster by fighting minor mobs). That leaves Talisman (still niche) and Ultimate Wargod (something many people sell instead of use).

To me QoL would start with replacing all the rewards. Maybe 3 useful items, with one of them being a little OP compared to the party's current gear. As for the gameplay to get them.. I dunno. Going back and forth with all the Wisp contacts to get new numbers is not fun. It might be better to make it more of an exploration puzzle, where one code unlocks a room that doubles as a shortcut back to the numbers area. The second unlock opens up a hallway that takes you back to one of the normal rooms, but up high where a chest is hiding (seeing it earlier in the dungeon incentivizes a player's curiosity). This way, instead of two far-part rooms with many annoyance vectors, you have a little more layering to the overall dungeon complete with some walkability improvement. All that's left is to revise the number game to be a more fun / intriguing puzzle.

if nothing else the feedback needs to be clear. Instead of "..." just let the game tell the player one digit is in the correct spot or that none are. Also: when Dart accesses the chest, he should recall the current numbers aloud (so long as he talked to the ghosts first). These two things would be some great starter QoL.

[mighty girder]

I remember cracking the math as much as I could for that minigame. It was a lot of fun figuring out the optimal guess patterns.

[torn sluice]

I'm pretty sure any change there would involve the script mines which I stay out of

[plucky wagon]

idk, I feel like changing the rewards feels more than QoL

Dont get me wrong, I dont think the rewards are great

Talisman is your second one, and can be useful, and Ultimate Wargod is 100% more of a Beginners item, but i can see beginners never doing the puzzle because they dont realise it

so its a "Beginners need it, but Beginners wont do it"

Maybe cut the rewards down to 3, Honestly, the first 3 Rewards arent worth it in the slightest, and maybe make sure to add a sure fire understanding that the chest has different items

Maybe:
Healing Rain
Talisman
Ultimate Wargod

Healing Rain being first would make people who dont want the other 2 still want the first item, its useful for everyone

and I think changing ... to like:
... for 1 Right Digits
!!! for 2 Right Digits
would make the puzzle more fair

[mighty girder]

Yeah I don't think anyone would have figured out how the puzzle was supposed to work without looking it up. For how painful the last chest is (2 tries is so brutal) I'd want something worth the investment. 5K gold is just a time save against OOPARTS and half the fun for me is doing the additions anyway. Gear that would be worth it to me is probably either dancer's/bandit's shoes, dragon helm, or a therapy ring. Lol imagine if they locked Kongol's dragoon spirit in there xD

[plucky wagon]

and Obviously, change like, the opening text box for the chest to be like,
fucking idk Dart Saying, "I feel like I could find more secrets if I try again" when you get the Healing Rain or Talisman

Im spitballin

[plucky wagon]

Interesting, I didnt consiter other equipment other than Accesoies

I dont think Therepy Ring would work at all

its a Stardust Reward, theres only 1

I feel like Dragon Helm makes sense only being obtained this early by killing the regional Special enemy

and by this point, players usually will have at least 1 or 2 Speed boost Equipment

id have to scroll through the equipment list

see what there is

oh no, wait, thats Phoenix Plume, not Dragon helm

[mighty girder]

You might be thinking of the physical ring, therapy ring is found in hellena prison and where you encounter faust's apparition

[plucky wagon]

oh right

still, that feels like too big a reward there

I feel like any item you can get after Faust is off limtis

cause like, thats the ultimate reward

sorta

honestly, after giving the equipment a good look over, the Bandits Shoes feels the most appropriate

[charred girder]

Well, the rewards are low quality haha, but it's really subjective. That's why I suggested to stick with the last two things I mentioned.

[mighty girder]

Yeah I'm not saying it's necessarily balanced, just that for the amount of effort to feel worth it- like sometimes it takes one try to beat the 5th chest, and sometimes it's taken me 16 tries. That's like 3 hours of grinding for 5K gold. For comparison, I grinded 30K gold in about an hour n OOPARTS thanks to turning up the game speed. I mostly do it bc I like the puzzle, but sometimes it's just obligation bc I like to 100% things.

[plucky wagon]

Yeah, Im just saying that in my example of onyl 3, and balanced to be within 10 tries, 7 tries, and 4 tries (For Example) I feel like the order would be:
Talisman
Bandit Shoes
Ultimate Wargod

and that would be much better reward spread for that area

Bandit Shoes arent obtained normally until Disk 4, and theres only 1 in the game, Dancers Shoes arent obtained normally until Middle of Disk 3, and can be infinitly farmed for if wanted

I feel like that would be a great item to replace

second Male Speed Boots, and have it decently early, but out of the way

[mighty girder]

Like tbh speed gear, hp mults, and hp regen are some of the only items that actually catch my eye on a given playthrough, probably because I'm so tilted towards running Halbert. To be fair, a newer player might really like the ultimate wargod, but for someone who rarely misses additions, it is about as useful as the bracelet.

[plucky wagon]

But I still think the Clue for Correct Numbers needs to be changed, and a text box explaining theres more than 1 reward, but other than that, I feel like anymore would break more than it fixes

yeah, thats what Im getting at, is we want new players to be interested in the puzzle so they will actually DO the Chest Puzzle for the reward they would want

on a second playthrough, they would look it up, realise the reward, and by that point, its too late, reward isnt needed as much

[mighty girder]

Yeah I think telling the player how the puzzle actually works would be cool. Like a little ghost in the room that if you talk to is like, "..." "something was right..." and "X tries" "nothing was right..." Or if you wanted to be more immersive you could have it be "..." "the lid opened just a bit that time" versus "X tries" "the lid is firmly shut with no wiggle"

[plucky wagon]

Maybe a "You heard X CORRECT NUMBER click(s), but the chest remains shut"

Get a number right, "You heard 1 click, but the chest remains shut"

Get 2 Numbers right, "You Heard 2 clicks, but the chest remains shut"

[charred girder]

Are we positive it wouldn't be better to just add a locked-chest system and introduce lockpicking to LoD?

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-lockpicking-gaming-gif-15095752

[plucky wagon]

lol

if you wanna program it, who am I to say no

[charred girder]

Not a snowball's chance in Hellena.

[plucky wagon]

Imagine if the reward for doing all the chest puzzle was a Lockpick that unlocked every chest in the game, the joke being that the only chest this would actually unlock is the one you got it from, and thus its just a funny Goods Item

would be hilarious for Randomizers tho, whenever that gets modded in the game at some point

"hey chat, I got the rare Lockpick, now I can get a free 6 checks from that one very specific chest"

[cyan cloud]

I one shot 2 out of the 5 chest rewards on my stream and got the wargod with 2 attempts. Felt like the most insane string of luck.

And then immediately sold the wargod

[torn sluice]

1.18.16

• Synced build with Main

[wanton forge]

wait, what is the implication of synced build with Main ?

[charred girder]

It means this fork now contains the latest code from core SC. Sen has to do it manually.

@wanton forge For example, if he last synced the code a month ago, this fork would not contain custom keybindings for keyboard and gamepad, or the ability to walk around on the world map as your slot-1 party member (while using Unlock Party setting).

[torn sluice]

@sturdy plover I'll have a new build up in a sec

1.18.17

• Synced with Main
• Added Allow Addition Misinput Setting

[charred girder]

Around :35, is that 28 damage coming from the first strike, with all inputs missed?

[torn sluice]

It's a ratio of the total damage the addition would do if it was complete

Damage per specific hit would be somewhat of a bitch for not a lot

[charred girder]

So.. yes? Lol

[torn sluice]

Yes

[charred girder]

Oh

[torn sluice]

The last hit always "connects" because it's uh

well it's the last hit and there's no input

so I gave it a part of the damage so you wouldn't do 0 if you missed all

[charred girder]

It can't simply use the weight of the first (read: given) strike?

Well you always do damage, barring evasion

The first hit is free

[torn sluice]

True

[torn sluice]

Hmmm interesting

You'd think I would've checked that

Should it increase the addition level

probably not

[ornate estuary]

Couldn't someone just mash the addition button now?

Or does pressing early still make you miss that hit

[torn sluice]

Yeah I didn't mess around with it too much but you can in theory do your 3 presses before the 2nd reticle appears

But it only registers as many input as the addition hit count

[opaque furnace]

Cant wait for the “lethal counter” setting, miss the counter, get punished

[torn sluice]

More damaging counters could be a nice tweak for veterans

[charred girder]

Indeed. Increments of 20 or 25% maybe, up to a cap of 5x?

As a starting point.

[opaque furnace]

I just want to suffer the consequences of my actions when i miss the counter

[torn sluice]

lmao I just game overed and it wiped my test folder cuz I had perma death on

FUUUUUUUUUG

[opaque furnace]

Rip

[torn sluice]

1.18.18

• Battle Difficulty setting now also affects counter damage
  • Easy; 80%
  • Normal; Unaltered
  • Hard; 250%
  • Extreme; 500%

Disclaimer: I absolutely don't know if it's balanced

I shall find out when I go for another extreme run 😆

(I tested a few enemies and values didn't seem that crazy)

[wanton forge]

hmmm how come the newest version no longer has frenzy mode like random addition and random party member anymore?

actually nvm forget what i said lol

[weary talon]

Can this be used with dragoon modifier?

[charred girder]

Not at this time. DraMod (the modern one) is currently in a special beta. Instead of being a standalone mod download, it's a modified build of SC that is locked to the Hell Mode beta. Once the full release is ready, it'll be a standalone mod download for SC. Then you can see if it's naturally compatible with Sen's QoL fork partially or fully.

[weary talon]

Ok, thank you

[glass idol]

I think I've found a bug with the "more frequent counters" setting. I'm pretty consistently hanging when I fail counters on Lavitz. I'm assuming it's an issue of failing a counter in a spot where it normally can't appear, and has only happened on him since he's the only member of the party who currently has more than one valid counter point.

[torn sluice]

Do you have it set to Hard or Harder?

Also which addition is it

[glass idol]

I started on hard, and was happening on rod typhoon. I switched to harder after a while, and have since unlocked gust of wind dance. Happens on harder with both additions. I have yet to switch lower than hard, or try GoWD on hard.

Here's a clip

TBF, having to force close the game after a failed counter is objectively harder than vanilla.

[torn sluice]

Yeah I think harder is a little too strong of a tweak on timings, I would stick to hard for now

Additions are a bit fragile code wise

lots of numbers do somewhat unknown things 😆

I'll see if I can fix it

[torn sluice]

Also it became a very serious staring contest. Legend has it they're still staring at each other to this day.

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-7922961204564264622

[ornate estuary]

I reverse engineered some of the addition scripting in the PCS yesterday

[torn sluice]

How's it looking doctor

[ornate estuary]

Well I refactored some of it into the engine, still more to go

Figured out a couple gamevars

[torn sluice]

Noice noice

On a scale of 1 to 10 so far, how needlessly complicated did they make it

[ornate estuary]

Yes

There are at least two 3-dimensional arrays of addition data hardcoded in the pcs

[torn sluice]

1 would've already been crazy

but 2???

[ornate estuary]

I already refactored one into the addition tables in the engine code, since you know, there are addition tables in the engine code

[torn sluice]

Do you think it's all they could do at the time or do you think they didn't have that much experience

[ornate estuary]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Once I figured out what it was doing it took me like an hour to refactor it

[torn sluice]

Is that the one that has all the params for each addition hits?

[ornate estuary]

And I messed it up a lot

Yeah

The one I refactored was for hit sfx

Haven't looked close enough at the other one to figure out what it is yet

Each hit can have up to 4 layered sounds

[torn sluice]

yeah yeah that's literally the first thing I did when I started

Well I didn't refactor the inner workings but I messed around with it and cleaned it up to be able to do modifications on timings in a way that I can understand (more) what I'm doing

[ornate estuary]

I ended up regenerating the table with extra sfx info

Will probably do it again once I figure out what the other table is

[torn sluice]

Thanks for doing the lord's work

with that being said

I'm not looking forward to that merge conflict

🤣

This is what it looks like as a refresher 🥲

I sense a lot of manual copy/paste

[ornate estuary]

Just generate the code like I did 😛

[torn sluice]

I could I could

I'll see what it looks like

[ornate estuary]

It's not on main yet fyi

See #github

[torn sluice]

Yeah that's about what I was expecting

they all have an extra additionSound param

[glass idol]

Will do. Would you like me to keep tabs on any other broken additions as i play, or is just knowing the issue is there fine enough?

[torn sluice]

Yeah that'd be good

[glass idol]

OK, been grinding in the nest of dragon, trying to fill in the bestiary entry of man eater bud, and I think I've learned the hang is monster AND button press specific. I can't get rod typhoon to hang on any enemy here, though it's definitely happened before. The only one GoWD hangs on so far is 4th press against Lizard Man, it's failed there just fine on Run Fast. Gonna stop purposefully failing counters, now, because I don't want to test every counter on every enemy, but I'll keep notes on where I get more. IIRC the rod typhoon hang was on some flying enemy around the Plains or Limestone Cave, 3rd button press.

[devout summit]

Has the idea been suggested to be able to rotate the models in bestiary? I know they're just pictures right now but, maybe some day? The bestiary is an amazing feature btw

[torn sluice]

I tried but it was beyond my comprehension. Maybe eventually I'll give it another try

[worn fern]

the debag room has a model viewer so that can be a start but to get that in a menu uh hmm.

[visual garnet]

that menu will always crash in current sc

also its just a regular smap

it just has few different light options

[worn fern]

i have a working version somewhere i stole from JP.

but i haven't tried changing it from albert to someone else.

[visual garnet]

thats a bunch of file swaps

[proper belfry]

Is there a way to raise the overall difficulty to be closer to the japanese released difficulty? or a hard mode, outside of altering additions? I thought I saw a difficulty option listed on github, but could only find difficulty for additions and dragoon additions in game menu 😅

[charred girder]

What you describe is a long-time feature of #1197976055923888218 . The new release, which will be compatible with SC's latest devbuild (and thus 3.0) is close to completion. It's in beta right now (Hell Mode only). Once the full release is published, you can swap between Zy's two presets and the official three presets: JP, NA/EU, and JP Demo. You can even copy-paste an existing one and make your own preset.

This QoL fork has new difficulty options but atm official presets are not supported. Depends on whether Sen thinks difficulty select fits this fork's purpose, or whether he'd code it in for core SC (needed anyway, IMO).

[proper belfry]

I dig it, I really like all of the features in this build, fingers crossed dramod and qol builds get combined at some point. I'm currently doing a playthrough on both out of curiosity haha. Youns are doing a great job!

[torn sluice]

You can select a difficulty when starting a new campaign

Is it as difficult as you would like it to be? Subjective.

Objectively though, it is marginally harder than normal

I at least had a lot of fun dying to the first virage

[charred girder]

You don't have official presets, right? Just so I have that correct.

[torn sluice]

It's first I hear about them so I will say no

[proper belfry]

I think it's too easy(subjectively), but I also think the game as a whole tends to hold the players hand a bit, the mazes are too linear for example, as is breaking in and out of a prison lmbo(but that's core game things) everything you're doin is fantastic and in my opinion should've been in the original release back in the 90s. I imagine the enemies are difficult to balance, it's more-so me wanting to play the original difficulty (pre north america release) with your qol build lol. On the other hand, at the same time I'm playing your build I'm also playing hell mode, which likely makes it feel easier than it probably is. I'm trying the no reticule(I'm not good at it lmao, but it is awesome) Objectively if I messed with the addition difficulty too much I would probably be stuck on the first fight in the game, I'm really digging being able to adjust the additions especially the feedback, that next to unlocked party is one of my favorite things on any of the builds. And the bestiary, I didn't know how much I wanted one for lod until having it, it makes my inner completionist happy 🙂

[ornate estuary]

@torn sluice I sent you a DM

[devout summit]

Is there a simple way to access this? I'd love an accessible way to see the 3d models.

[worn fern]

I haven't looked into it in too much detail

[ornate estuary]

You need a modified controller to open the debag menu unless you edit the map script

The model viewer also doesn't work and even if it did it only lets you view the models on that map

[devout summit]

ah nvm my b

[ornate estuary]

SC has a model/animation viewer build into the submap debugger

[devout summit]

I'm sorry, how do I access that? I'm familiar with the save editor where you can warp to different rooms and edit stats

[ornate estuary]

Press F12 to open the debugger then select submap debugger from the menu in the top left corner

On there you can click "view animations" or something like that

[devout summit]

Thank you

[ornate estuary]

You're welcome

It will create a copy of the model at Dart's current position and you can select what animation you want to view

[devout summit]

Have the encounter rates of enemies been changed at all? Probably just bad luck but I keep trying to fight all four enemies in a new area for the Bestiary, but after like 20 battles I keep getting the same ones.

[charred girder]

Probably not. For context, every submap (background image) has up to four possible encounters. Some of those battle formations may only appear on select submaps of a given dungeon, or have a higher/lower spawn chance. We recently worked through that list and will be telling the fandom about it more directly in the near future.

[glass idol]

I've been going to the wiki project page, and cross-referencing the encounters in the screen I'm in to figure out if the encounter is possible. For example: I'm looking for crescent bee, I just encountered (vamp kiwi, mantis) and (vamp kiwi x2, mole) meaning I'm either in submap 40 or 44. Crescent bee only shows up in 38, 39, 42, 43, so I need to change screens.

[mighty girder]

If you're using SC, you can use F12 to open the debugger to see what map you are on. Alternatively, you can reference the submap section of this spreadsheet, which has a written description of each submap https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17XKPOJmlS63ruYCiW0OVItZF-CrEMu6puWmgZ_0mcFo/edit?usp=sharing

[devout summit]

Wow, I had no idea the wiki had all the encounters and submaps layed out like that. Thank you so much. Google always takes me to the Fandom wiki

[devout summit]

This is an incredible tool, thank you very much as well.

[mighty girder]

Thanks! It took a long time for me to update all the minor enemies to where they are now so I appreciate that other people are getting some use out of it. Currently working on getting the bosses up to date as well.

[devout summit]

Also, thanks to this, I've seen things I'll never forget... 👀

[drifting mountain]

How do I get the 3.0 dev version?

[charred girder]

Check this thread's Pins or go to the first post in this thread. For the latter, there should be an up arrow for quick nav, at least on desktop, in the upper-right near the "Follow" button.

[quartz temple]

I just thought if we use the auto additions we should get an SP gain penalty.

[torn sluice]

The setting or the item?

[quartz temple]

The setting.

[torn sluice]

It's just an accessibility setting. No need to punish the user for it

[proper belfry]

I keep getting image freeze on the shirley "fight" when she transforms, I can hear the sound and can select to defend or what have you, exiting and restarting fixes it unless I go back to shirley fight

[ornate estuary]

That's a bug in older Intel gpus. I added a workaround for it, senerio will have to update his build

[proper belfry]

Right on, I found the ctrl w work around 🙂

[torn sluice]

The project seems to have updated to use sdk 25... I've installed that but now I'm hit with

Consider associating the module with a supported JDK version. Note, that it is possible to keep the current Java language level to make produced *.class files compatible with Java 23 even when they are compiled by a newer compiler version.

halp

I'm just an intern

all the config windows look happy... no red anywhere

what did I do to deserve this

[torn sluice]

it's producing this change in .idea\misc.xml
<component name="ProjectRootManager" version="2" languageLevel="JDK_23" default="true" project-jdk-name="openjdk-25" project-jdk-type="JavaSDK" />

Which sounds not good

ok managed to get the right thing there

change is gone

still the same message though

Alright I'm smart and I can read so I updated to IntelliJ 24

Crisis averted

[plucky wagon]

has the latest optimizations been merged with this mod?

[charred girder]

which one? there are many optimizations hehe.

can check sen's repository on Github, for latest build to see when it was published.

[ornate estuary]

The major one I pushed yesterday, he wants to start playing SC again

[charred girder]

ah yes, juicy stuff.

[torn sluice]

it has not

https://tenor.com/view/merge-conflict-conflicts-git-github-gif-26074587

[faint moat]

What were some of the new goodies?

[plucky wagon]

main one is making battles more optimaized so they run better on lower hardware

[full snow]

Oh wait this is massive for you

Has it been a noticeable upgrade?

[ornate estuary]

He's getting about 70% higher frame rate

[plucky wagon]

Yeah, at least on main

Its why i asked if it had been merged yet, cause hot damn, id love to play this mod lol

[torn sluice]

whats so good about this mod anyway

[ornate estuary]

[visual garnet]

quality gooning

[torn sluice]

So I managed to sync everything...

But building throws this lovely error

https://tenor.com/view/pls-send-help-help-me-sos-dog-the-pet-collective-gif-14154125

[visual garnet]

which intellij are you using

[torn sluice]

24.3

[visual garnet]

ensure that supports jdk25, I had to update from 2023 to 2025

also check settings if anything still uses jdk21

[torn sluice]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[visual garnet]

if 25 does not exist in settings you'll have to update

[torn sluice]

idk where those settings would be

but

a quick search suggest 2024 doesnt support 25

how the hell is it even running

[visual garnet]

rip

[torn sluice]

here we go again

game starts but something is really unhappy java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported class file major version 69 at org.lwjglx.debug.org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(ClassReader.java:199) at org.lwjglx.debug.org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(ClassReader.java:180) at org.lwjglx.debug.org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(ClassReader.java:166) at org.lwjglx.debug.Agent.transform_(Agent.java:142) at org.lwjglx.debug.Agent.transform(Agent.java:66) at java.instrument/java.lang.instrument.ClassFileTransformer.transform(ClassFileTransformer.java:257) at java.instrument/sun.instrument.TransformerManager.transform(TransformerManager.java:188) at java.instrument/sun.instrument.InstrumentationImpl.transform(InstrumentationImpl.java:594)

spammed about a hundred times before SC opens

Should I be scared

still getting

it's only gone worse

https://tenor.com/view/ok-crying-sad-emotional-sentimental-gif-20646670

ok I figured out version 69 error

so we're back to square one

I shall wait for assistance in the morrow

[visual garnet]

I'm on phone rn so couldnt post which settings to check

[ornate estuary]

What errors are you still getting?

[torn sluice]

#1307995361918586911 message

[visual garnet]

@torn sluice check settings > build, execution, deployment > compiler > java compiler

is project bytecode version set to 25

[torn sluice]

yep

all hope is lost

[ornate estuary]

Are you building on the commandline?

[torn sluice]

yeah

I think I got it

[ornate estuary]

That has nothing to do with intellij, you need jdk25 on your path

[torn sluice]

yeah that's what I found out

I assumed installing the 25 version would also install the JDK

How wrong I was

[ornate estuary]

It did if it works in the ide, you need it on your path

[torn sluice]

all good it built it all

[torn sluice]

1.19.0

• Synced to main
• Added ability to use the original addition buttons
  • Set Controller Style under Controls options to something other than Auto

@plucky wagon

The merge was not super straight forward so there may be stuff I missed, but overall pretty positive it's stable and every feature should be intact

[torn sluice]

Added an extra unused frames for addition buttons because I can 😎

Before

After

Smooth

[charred girder]

I played them both at the same time, and struggled to compare because only one video has a counterattack haha.

"added an extra used frames" ?

[charred girder]

Ahhhh that's delicious.

[torn sluice]

1.19.2

• Fixed a few input issues
• Fixed a few more little things

[proper belfry]

Farther into the game and looking through the bestiary (great job on the bestiary by thew way! I backtrack to every npc I can after every scene to see what new things they say, the bestiary makes backtracking that much better) Checking the stats, I take back what I said aboot it being too easy, I think some of disc 1 just doesn't do enough damage to feel threatining, Kongol, fruegal, urobolos, some of those fights. Their hp is great, all the fights move at a good pace, defense is good and speeds great (I'm playing with the extreme settings.)
I love what you're doing, so far QOL has become my favorite way to play LOD

[torn sluice]

1.19.3

• Added Options > Graphics > Addition Button Style
  • Controller Style doesn't drive the look of the addition button anymore

[narrow sierra]

Hi everyone is There a mod to make addtions like ps1

[torn sluice]

not sure it's the place to ask but if you could be more specific on what you mean because additions weren't really altered in the first place

[charred girder]

they want to simulate the input delay on ps1/emulation

https://discordapp.com/channels/307164262063669248/307164262063669248/1427621833640902758

[torn sluice]

guess you could set the reaction time to slow on my mod and kinda get that

[charred girder]

I thought you had a setting for retail timing?

[torn sluice]

Well it's as retail as core says it's retail

[charred girder]

I dunno what that means. 🥴

[torn sluice]

it just toggles to what core is

Which is retail minus input delay

which I guess isn't retail

but realistically in this situation you'd expect people would just adjust

[charred girder]

It's not unreasonable to expect that, it just takes a little practice. But the shock factor makes the request semi-common.

What is your version compared to retail minus delay?

[torn sluice]

It's just tighter around visuals and audio cues

It's possible for some hits it's closer but for some others further

I could have an extra setting for it

[charred girder]

oh you mean the base adjustments, right right

[torn sluice]

Just so I picture it in my head

would the delay make it so the input window is sooner or later

[charred girder]

lead the target - press sooner

i never measured it but I imagine it's something like .25 seconds ahead of SC timing (no delay)

[torn sluice]

yeah so I could likely use the "fast" setting of reaction time but only stretch it in one direction

and that would potentially simulate it

actually wait

no actually the setting as is might just simulate it

that's basically what it does

moves the window slightly ahead of normal

and if it's somehow not enough there's one step further with "Faster"

[charred girder]

Worth a try.

[torn sluice]

Options > Gameplay > Additions... > Reaction Time > Fast or Faster

[worn fern]

People who want "retail" timings want an extra success frame.

Just one will do it for most people.

[torn sluice]

Then boi do I just have the thing for them

Options > Gameplay > Additions... > Difficulty > Easier; extends the window for a valid input by 1 frame

[ornate estuary]

That would be 5 frames

PS1 and SC are almost identical

Most emulators have a couple frames of lag at least

[charred girder]

Yes, I have said that as well. I guess I was more referring to emulation since that's how a majority of people seem to play.

[narrow sierra]

Additions are like i remeber with this

Muscle memory 😅

[torn sluice]

1.20.0

• Synced with Main again
  • It was a pretty crazy merge so make sure to flag any issue you may run into

[wanton forge]

uhhh sorry if I sound ignorant, but what does "synced with Main again" mean? is it like a feature or something?

[charred girder]

It means keeping up with core SC. That's how Senerio's fork includes the latest updates from Severed Chains, rather than missing XYZ recently released feature or bug fix.

It's not automatic; has to be done manually every so often.

Sen reviews the updates in code form, and if any conflicts are present between SC's code and his, he would need to resolve them with edits from his side. Sometimes the work is trivial, sometimes not.

[torn sluice]

In this case it doesn't really matter since most of what came in was backend stuff

Though it does potentially mess with stability of the build since I could've messed something up while merging

[cedar dust]

Can this mod be added retroactively to an ongoing n campaign that has other mods already running?

[ornate estuary]

Probably

[torn sluice]

It's 50/50

you can apply the mod on a ongoing campaign that has no mod without problem

but mods will be some and some not

[charred girder]

mods will be some and some not? 🥴

[charred girder]

new tags are available for modding threads: SC version supported, special instructions, fork, and so on. I have added the Fork tag to this pre-existing thread.

[torn sluice]

1.20.2

• Synced with main
• Added a tracker for the bestiary

[turbid thorn]

Nice! The beastiary is one of the things giving me extra things to do during this current run. How do you update it?

[torn sluice]

Click the link

[proven gate]

Whats with the status menu lookin like this?

[mighty girder]

Known issue, all the lines are missing. Luckily it fixes itself once you get another party member

[proven gate]

cool thank you, would there happen to be a section of known issues so i dont ask about something again xD

[mighty girder]

https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/Severed-Chains/issues

Here ya go 😁

[proven gate]

Just started using the QoL build since the Hell mode one is a bit to hard for me at the moment, need to get familiar with the game again.
The "Flawless Additions" doesn't seem to give me double mastery so i was looking to see if it was a known bug for this one, or if it just doesn;t display right

[torn sluice]

Could be a bug

I can check for you

yeah seems it's broken

Uploading the files on the release page is taking forever for some reason but assuming you're on windows here's the new build with the fix @proven gate

[proven gate]

Awesome, thank you!

[torn sluice]

let me know if you find any other bug

[winter yarrow]

hey just found this port and mod! great stuff! does this also also make it so text is automatically fast or do i still need to hold the button for fast text?

[winter yarrow]

nevermind, seems that it does!

[charred girder]

Yes, this is a feature of core SC.

[winter yarrow]

i see that now
im 100% new to this port so idk jack lol. thanks!

[charred girder]

You're good! Soon you'll be 108%.

[ornate estuary]

Are you saying they're going to get even newer?

[winter yarrow]

Drewniverse gonna rip away my childhood memories of the game, Yu Gi Oh Season 1 style

[charred girder]

Yes.

[stiff trellis]

@torn sluice Apologies for bothering you at this hour. Using your QOL Mod, I encountered an error which would cause a crash. Whenever I use Dart's Divine Dragoon Basic Attack, upon starting the meter, it crashes. I have the debug log available but I cannot send it you via DMs due to your settings.

[torn sluice]

I can probably reproduce it if it happens every time for you

so no need but also you could post it here

[stiff trellis]

There you go @torn sluice

[torn sluice]

I'll check in a few minutes

[ornate estuary]

The QOL build is based on an older version of SC

You're using a mod that needs a newer build

[stiff trellis]

I went to Github and downloaded the latest one. I see, thank you for that information

[ornate estuary]

@torn sluice that event was added on the 14th

[torn sluice]

so just a good ol' syncaroo

[ornate estuary]

Yup

[torn sluice]

@ornate estuary How do I check what a selectedAction is

registryId?

[ornate estuary]

What are you trying to do

[torn sluice]

check if action is guard

[ornate estuary]

To do what?

[torn sluice]

some stat tracking and gameplay changes

[ornate estuary]

What gameplay changes

😆

[torn sluice]

If you want to use this mod, you'll have to go without any other mod. I don't think I'll be updating this anymore

[stiff trellis]

I gotcha. Thank you very much for letting me know. Have a great morning!

[queen comet]

You won't be updating the mod anymore?

[plucky wagon]

wait, what?

[torn sluice]

That is what I said. Not that I didn't know it was going to happen but it was a question of time. The core project's changing a lot and I don't have the appetite to maintain it for now. It's also worth mentioning the game has been fully playable for a while so even if I update it the gains are not game changing for now. Matter of fact the latest versions I've put out are way more likely to contain issues.

so unless you're trying to add other mods on it (which are very likely to not work anyway), you're not losing much

[charred pagoda]

Hi all, I'm having an error trying to download java, when I open the launch.bat: Downloading java...
Invoke-WebRequest : Received an unexpected EOF or 0 bytes from the transport stream.
At line:1 char:43

• ... yContinue'; Invoke-WebRequest -Uri 'https://corretto.aws/downloads/re ...

•             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  

  • CategoryInfo : NotSpecified: (:) [Invoke-WebRequest], IOException
  • FullyQualifiedErrorId : System.IO.IOException,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.InvokeWebRequestCommand

Java download failed
Press any key to continue . . .

I just tried to download the file that is listed in the launch.bat manually and it worked. Is there a way to proceed using that file?

[ornate estuary]

Extract it to a folder called jdk25

[charred pagoda]

Thanks I successfully launched the game!

[inland mango]

Unlucky to read that you wont Continue, but can understand the fact. Going with a changing project is a risk.
I still thank you for that Build. Its a pleasure to play it. Just the little additions you made, made the game for me 100 times better. Maybe one day when the SC is completed you come back. Until then, have a nice Life!

[dawn briar]

out of curiosity are there any efforts to improve dialogue or is it being left as is?

[charred girder]

This QoL build is going inactive (at least for now). For script modding, there are many planned script mods. However, it has to wait until the Severed Chains team adds support for it (coming in SC 4.0). @dawn briar

[dawn briar]

was curious if it was being worked on or not because some might feel the dialogue is part of the charm but also it does need to be touched up

[charred girder]

Lots of fans feel that way. Look forward to script modding in a future version of core SC.

[woeful spoke]

Downloading this now!

Is it fine to use with the current build of SC?

[charred girder]

This is a fork of SC. That means it's a copy, with specific alterations. It's not a mod you put inside of SC because it is a full copy of it. You cannot put one inside the other.

You can have them both on your PC, they just can't occupy the same folder. Side note that this fork is on hiatus as of a few months ago, so it will no longer be synced with core SC. It has some unique features but will continue to miss out on SC's latest features and bugfixes.

Still, give it a try if you like. The addy stuff is amazing IMO.

[woeful spoke]

I see that makes sense. Yea the addition stuff I think is super cool. Hopefully some of this gets incorporated into the main as additional options. I can see it being inherently valuable to allow players to have some of the things added in this added to the base game. I'll def give it a try.

[charred girder]

Very good. If you continue browsing, you'll see our community has a habit of being so passionate that they build stuff before it could be implemented as a standard mod haha. This fork, the DDR mod, Altergoon, etc. As we continue, more types of things will fit within the modding API and be a standard mod download that simply goes into the /mods subfolder.

[woeful spoke]

Yea I'm excited for the modding capabilties to be expanded. There is a crap ton of potential realized already and unrealized as well. Im super excited to give this a go. Legend of Dragoon I often say is in my opinion the best PS1 game of all time. Its just such a gem that was and is underknown.

[woeful spoke]

Is this build stable and complete from start to end of the game?

[ornate estuary]

It is playable from start to end and should be stable but will be missing any of the fixes and new features since Scenerio last updated his branch

[woeful spoke]

given the last release was december of 2025. I assume Im not going to be missing anything too crazy content wise or bug fix wise.

[ornate estuary]

What day?

Ah found it

Can't tell you exactly what's happened since then, but there have been 719 commits and 880 files changed https://github.com/FrancisDionne/Severed-Chains/compare/experimental...main

If you're interested you can look through the commit list there

Nevermind, that diff isn't quite right

I think that might be from his first release

[woeful spoke]

Interesting. Hopefully notihng too big. Let me take a look and see though. I just think the QOL+ addition stuff and beastiary is super cool as well as the icons.

[woeful spoke]

I see.

[ornate estuary]

Here it is https://github.com/FrancisDionne/Severed-Chains/compare/main...Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding%3ASevered-Chains%3Amain

Looks like it's been mostly backend stuff

[woeful spoke]

Yea which ideally wont be an issue for my set up anyways since its a fairly standard playthrough on a fairly normal setup

Any plans to add things like the additions or bestiary to main?

[ornate estuary]

At some point we may do stuff like that but it's very low on the priority list atm

[woeful spoke]

Understandable

[woeful spoke]

Where do I put the ISOs for this build?

There is no folder for it

nm

needed to run the launcher once for them to populate

[woeful spoke]

Just discovered a bug unfortunately

its not major though

just that for some reason all additions show the x/20 for whatever addition is currently selected in this build

Minor bug

[inland mango]

That’s not really a bug. Thats so you can choose in between which addition you want and how often you did it correctly

[woeful spoke]

The bug is that it shows the wrong counter for x for every single addition based on the currently selected one.

so if double slash is 5/20

and you have it selected

volcano shows up as 5/20 in that list too

and when you select volcano (lets say its 30/40) double slash now shows 30/40

[inland mango]

ahhh thats what you mean.

[woeful spoke]

its just a visual bug its not the biggest deal but I feel like the fix is fairly easy or simple given it seemed to work on the main branch.

[inland mango]

yeah thats little bit not "finished" yet. thats maybe bcs of the actual, which is set, and normally you shouldnt be able to switch. thats why, maybe theres a limit.

[woeful spoke]

It works on the main branch of SC so clearly it works to a degree.

just needs a little doing

[ornate estuary]

It was an old bug in SC that's been fixed on main

[woeful spoke]

Sad.... The QOL+ stuff has a lot of really great features main doesn't have. Hopefully when main drops some better mod support in 4.0 OP makes a lot of these QOL stuff into dedicated mods. The addition stuff is really cool and the turn order UI is done really well. On top of other features being great too.

[charred girder]

You're far from alone. We'll see how things unfold, and the time will fly by with how much is going on.

[woeful spoke]

🤞

[woeful spoke]

@torn sluice You made my wife want to play this game again

and she has NEVER replayed any game

and has beaten maybe 12 games total

You are a saint

If you would like me to I'd really be more than happy to help write some lore entries or help in whatever way i can

I really like the features presented here

HER BIGGEST GRIPE about the game was addition timing being hard to get down and being unsure of being too early or too late and all that. This makes that indication just 10x easier to figure out in the moment and helps you adjust. Genuinely for a casual audience and a less casual like myself its a big improvement.

[woeful spoke]

Real one

[woeful spoke]

Boys

She’s literally playing it rn

4K 60fps

110” projector set up with simulated surround sound.

[charred girder]

I'm not a boy, but good to hear. Tell your wife to get plugged into our website, Discord, and YouTube. There's so much to enjoy.

[torn sluice]

@woeful spoke Came out of retirement temporarily to do a little merging. I didn't sync all the way through, just up to where it isn't a nightmare to merge. Amongst the things that will be fixed is the battle additions HUD bug and a few other minor things. Enjoy.

1.20.4

[woeful spoke]

YO CAN I BUY YOU LUNCH?!? Also how do I update without losing my progress?

[torn sluice]

You extract as normal and move your iso/save files to the new one

[woeful spoke]

You’re a real dragoon

For real can I toss you like 20$ as thanks?

[torn sluice]

Forward it to Monoxide

[woeful spoke]

bad news

all my old saves crash now

and loading from the crashed saves from the auto saves works but my most recent 2 put me in areas that I cant get out of lol

23:53:05.965 [Hardware legend.game.Main:86] ERROR: Please copy this crash log and send it to @torn sluice in the modding 'Quality of Life+ Build/Mod' channel in the Legend of Dragoon Discord server.
23:53:05.965 [Hardware legend.game.Main:87] ERROR: https://discord.gg/legendofdragoon
2026-02-10T07:53:05.966590900Z Hardware INFO Stopping configuration XmlConfiguration[location=C:\LOD\QOL NEW\QoL-Build-v1.20.4-Windows-x64\QoL-Build-v1.20.4\log4j2.xml, lastModified=2026-02-10T01:51:54Z]...
2026-02-10T07:53:05.967590900Z Hardware INFO Configuration XmlConfiguration[location=C:\LOD\QOL NEW\QoL-Build-v1.20.4-Windows-x64\QoL-Build-v1.20.4\log4j2.xml, lastModified=2026-02-10T01:51:54Z] stopped.
Press any key to continue . . .

praying its just something I flubbed

[torn sluice]

you'll need to send the actual error

or better you can send your save file

[woeful spoke]

23:58:41.037 [Hardware legend.game.Main:68] ERROR: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:58:41.037 [Hardware legend.game.Main:69] ERROR: Crash detected
23:58:41.037 [Hardware legend.game.Main:70] ERROR: Severed Chains 3.0.0-SNAPSHOT-CHANNEL commit COMMIT built null
23:58:41.037 [Hardware legend.game.Main:73] ERROR: We have attempted to generate a recovery save. You can load it next time you run Severed Chains.
23:58:41.038 [Hardware legend.game.Main:76] ERROR: Please copy this crash log and send it to @torn sluice in the modding 'Quality of Life+ Build/Mod' channel in the Legend of Dragoon Discord server.
23:58:41.038 [Hardware legend.game.Main:77] ERROR: https://discord.gg/legendofdragoon
23:58:41.038 [Hardware legend.game.Main:80] ERROR: Message: For input string: "null"
23:58:41.039 [Hardware legend.game.Main:83] ERROR: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:58:41.039 [Hardware legend.game.Main:84] ERROR: Stack trace:
java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "null"
at java.base/jdk.internal.math.FloatingDecimal.check(FloatingDecimal.java:2324)
at java.base/jdk.internal.math.FloatingDecimal.readJavaFormatString(FloatingDecimal.java:1928)
at java.base/jdk.internal.math.FloatingDecimal.parseFloat(FloatingDecimal.java:122)
at java.base/java.lang.Float.parseFloat(Float.java:597)
at legend.game.statistics.Statistics.load(Statistics.java:445)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.MainMenuScreen.lambda$showLoadScreen$0(MainMenuScreen.java:526)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.LoadGameScreen.onMessageboxResult(LoadGameScreen.java:88)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.LoadGameScreen.lambda$onSelection$0(LoadGameScreen.java:79)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.MessageBoxScreen.render(MessageBoxScreen.java:65)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.MenuScreen.renderScreen(MenuScreen.java:167)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.MenuStack.propagate(MenuStack.java:136)
at legend.game.inventory.screens.MenuStack.render(MenuStack.java:108)
at legend.game.Menus.loadAndRenderMenus(Menus.java:89)
at legend.game.Scus94491BpeSegment.gameLoop(Scus94491BpeSegment.java:161)
at legend.core.RenderEngine.renderFrame(RenderEngine.java:770)
at legend.core.RenderEngine.lambda$init$0(RenderEngine.java:667)
at legend.core.platform.WindowEvents.onDraw(WindowEvents.java:415)
at legend.core.platform.SdlWindow.tick(SdlWindow.java:358)
at legend.core.opengl.Action.run(Action.java:46)
at legend.core.opengl.Action.tick(Action.java:32)
at legend.core.platform.PlatformManager.run(PlatformManager.java:96)
at legend.core.RenderEngine.run(RenderEngine.java:1162)
at legend.core.GameEngine.start(GameEngine.java:281)
at legend.game.Main.main(Main.java:44)
at legend.game.MainWindows.main(MainWindows.java:38)
23:58:41.040 [Hardware legend.game.Main:86] ERROR: Please copy this crash log and send it to @torn sluice in the modding 'Quality of Life+ Build/Mod' channel in the Legend of Dragoon Discord server.
23:58:41.040 [Hardware legend.game.Main:87] ERROR: https://discord.gg/legendofdragoon
2026-02-10T07:58:41.041768100Z Hardware INFO Stopping configuration XmlConfiguration[location=C:\LOD\QoL-Build-v1.20.4-Windows-x64\QoL-Build-v1.20.4\log4j2.xml, lastModified=2026-02-10T01:51:54Z]...
2026-02-10T07:58:41.043768600Z Hardware INFO Configuration XmlConfiguration[location=C:\LOD\QoL-Build-v1.20.4-Windows-x64\QoL-Build-v1.20.4\log4j2.xml, lastModified=2026-02-10T01:51:54Z] stopped.
Press any key to continue . . .

thyat it?

[torn sluice]

yeah

can you send your save file

[torn sluice]

I can't get to it until tomorrow so you would have to play on the older version for now

[woeful spoke]

I got it to work just had to load old version save somewhere else then load that in new version then load the crash save then make a new save on the new version

and it worked

[torn sluice]

hmmm

what way wasn't it working?

[woeful spoke]

So the old saves would hard crash

the crash save would load me into areas that are softlocks

like prairie behind the tree or helena when the lift is down

[torn sluice]

so I just load the save you sent and get that?

[woeful spoke]

Yea

[torn sluice]

ok

Hard to believe the error you sent causes that to happen

but that definitely needs to get fixed

check your statistics and make sure nothing got wiped

cuz it's weird that you're not getting an error now

[woeful spoke]

kk

[torn sluice]

ok yeah that's still happening

I'll need to check why

[woeful spoke]

thats the full error thing

with the warns

[torn sluice]

yeah all good

[woeful spoke]

I didnt post those last time

[torn sluice]

so then now you're not getting that with the fixed save?

[woeful spoke]

yea all stats were wiped

except misc lol

[torn sluice]

yeah figured

[woeful spoke]

Yea basically found a "safe area" to save in the old version. Loaded that save in new version. Then it crashes. Load from crashed save. Then save normally and that normal save appears to work fine

[torn sluice]

I'll check tomorrow

for now I would continue from the other build

[woeful spoke]

Sounds good. Stats are tracking as well in new build just they "reset" basically

we'll play on old for a bit

sent Mono some lunch money lol

[torn sluice]

Thanks c: