Irongoon

[smoky siren]

thats like 60% higher matk

[faint sinew]

oh hellena warden

100% increase over vanilla

[smoky siren]

yeah the defense stats on both seem crazy higher

[faint sinew]

oh

i have a special case

for when stats are 10 or below

for stats 10 or below the modifier will be 1, 2 or 3 +/-
looks like it rolled +2 on the mattk
could've been 9. :]

[smoky siren]

huh

so did the senior warden roll +3 Matk to get to 12, and then an extra 15% on top to get to 14 maybe?

[faint sinew]

senior warden has 8matt vanilla?

and it had 14 in ur seed?

[smoky siren]

9 i think

according to wiki

[faint sinew]

i see 8 in Zy's csvs

which is what its using

[smoky siren]

ah well

wiki could be off

even worse then i think lol

it gets +6

[faint sinew]

8 to 14 uh

not sure how it got there 😄

[smoky siren]

lemme try rebounding to 99 instead of 105

incase thats goofing stuff

[faint sinew]

none of the percent bounds are being used

for stats with 9 or below values

[smoky siren]

o

well, on the plus side, HP values are calculating correctly 😅

[faint sinew]

haha 😄

it should have 11 matt max if its amount is 8
even if it was 9, it would be max 12

[smoky siren]

i was thinking maybe it was getting that flat add, and then since it was over 10 afterwards, it was getting the multiplier too

[faint sinew]

it looks like its getting stat varianced

can u send ur config as a file or put it in the ``` block

[smoky siren]

the fact that across all 3 monsters, they have lower Atk but higher matk is goofy

[faint sinew]

most early mobs have a higher matt

to make their red hp magic attack hurt

[smoky siren]

true, but i just mean that from their base values, they all went down, where as the matk stat all went up

[faint sinew]

you tried to hack me w/ n1

i see how it is

[smoky siren]

D:

[smoky siren]

(i dont understand but im assuming thats a joke)

[faint sinew]

the config had an n1 for the lower shop quantity 😄

so i get the same stats as u showed

interesting

[smoky siren]

how did that get in there

wait that n isnt in my actual config, how DID that get there lmao

[faint sinew]

hmm even though the config.yaml has it set to stock bounds

its doing randomize bounds

[smoky siren]

thats kind of what i was thinking

it might be

[faint sinew]

(I totally misspelled something)

[smoky siren]

the senior warden should also be 100/100 def but ended up at 231/50 lol

[faint sinew]

replace this w/ the other one

BETTER?

[smoky siren]

can i buy an extended warranty this time

[faint sinew]

did it crash?

saying u need a warranty

means its worse

i think? 😄

[smoky siren]

LOL

much better i think

so you said if its under 10, itll just roll a 1, 2 or 3?

[faint sinew]

it'll do the stat + (1, 2, 3)

one of those

stats below 10 r too volatile

this is my best solution

[smoky siren]

-1, -2, -3 possible too?

[faint sinew]

YES

im considering removing the 3

im rmbring this now

the 3 is big swing

but also funny on streams

so idk

[smoky siren]

Sr warden got the nerf bat to his knee caps apparently

[faint sinew]

yea i peaked, u're gonna have a much easier time

[smoky siren]

but im kind of okay with it after he roasted my ass last time lmao

overall it seems like theyre gonna be a bit beefier, which is ultimately what i want

fights end too fast in vanilla imo once you know what youre doing

[faint sinew]

yea vanilla is like hunting a rabbit that has no legs after 1 playthrough

[smoky siren]

ty for your help i appreciate it 🙂

[faint sinew]

yep, good luck

thx for excercising the customizability of the randomizer 😄

[smoky siren]

im excited for more features too 😄

[faint sinew]

yea lots of other things require script stuff, massive java-land refactors, or on me to figure out 'scaling' for things like rando encounters, equipment randomization

melbu fight 1 i can't wait to make that somehow work

[smoky siren]

something appears to have gone wrong with shop/items?

its telling me my inventory is full and i cannot pick up or purchase anything

i have 10/32 right now

[faint sinew]

itemCarryLimit is set to 2

It's wip thing for 0.4.5

Should only be restricting you to 2 of each item

Can set to 0 to disable

[smoky siren]

ooo i see lemme see if that fixes

hmm

can you check i have this set up right?

its still not allowing me to pick anything up

[faint sinew]

Looks to be fine
I haven't really tested it thoroughly yet

Is it chests drops and shops or just shops?

[smoky siren]

all items, including from monster drops

[faint sinew]

That's fun 💀

[smoky siren]

equip was fine though

[faint sinew]

You can use one of the previous jar versions as needed. I likely won't be doing any other updates on the unreleased stuff till tmr.

[smoky siren]

kk no worries

i increased itemCarrylimit to 20 for shits and giggles and i can pick stuff up now lol

maybe thats looking at total carry limit, instead of per item?

[faint sinew]

@smoky siren should fix things

[faint sinew]

** 🌟 Discord Releases 🌟 - Needs QA build of 0.4.5**

• Many bug fixes and better 'expected' behaviour from the various Shop options
• music option (RANDOM, STOCK)
• itemCarryLimit
  • add # Items category ( 0 unlimited, >= 1 limits per item)
• config.yaml refreshes on campaign load (no need to restart game)
• monsterTotalStatsPerLevel: randomizerandomstockwithbounds
  • new option randomizes stock stat diffs per level
• monstertotalstatsperlevel fix
• ShopQuantity respects ShopContents
  • RANDOMIZE_ITEMS
    • Equipment shops will only respect the recall list
  • RANDOMIZE_EQUIPMENT
    • Item shops will only respect the recall list
  • Mixed Shops
    • If a shop is mixed, the above does not apply
• Ban list works better now
• Prevent stage rando on Zackwell to prevent crash

/wordvomitover

[pale stratus]

error with the mod

[faint sinew]

Change monsterTotalStats to RANDOMIZE_BOUNDS
in config.yaml. That option in ur config for it doesn't exist.

If that doesn't fix it, send me your config.yaml and lmk what irongoon version you're on.

[pale stratus]

thank you it is fine now 🙂

[faint sinew]

Irongoon v0.4.5
now its official w/ the github Wiki fully updated and some other bugs fixed

[slow star]

ty for your continued hard work the mods so fun!

[faint sinew]

excellent, glad you're having fun

[vocal mesa]

@faint sinew cant get items from battles, intended?

always triggers swap items screen

[faint sinew]

yes, the itemCarryLimit uses the GiveItems event
which is always called on shops / drops / chests

i didn't see a nice way to tell what 'source' the giveitems is coming from so i just went lazy for now

[quasi root]

inb4 ink uses a stackwalker to examine the call stack

(and I have to revoke his modding license)

[faint sinew]

i considered looking into how good java's reflection is compared to .NET to potentially arrive at the above 'solution' to the dilemma

but then i rmbr'd i don't like Java that much

StackTraceElement[] stackTrace = Thread.currentThread().getStackTrace();

its this easy?

LOL

if (element.getClassName().contains("ShopScreen")) {
return true;
}

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[quasi root]

That's the most inefficient way to do it

[faint sinew]

details

[quasi root]

Look at the loadDrgn* methods

[faint sinew]

final StackWalker.StackFrame frame = DebugHelper.getCallerFrame();
why r there so many ways to meta program

[quasi root]

Old way vs more efficient way

[faint sinew]

unfortunately its easier to update the event and break Zy's progress

more fun

[vocal mesa]

idea for irongoon: randomize script ops

[faint sinew]

u r more than welcome to make any prs u want for irongoon, i'll merge em no questions asked

[vocal mesa]

bet

[quasi root]

Is this your overcorrection for my 6 month PR waiting period

[faint sinew]

The amount of spite that grows in those waiting periods 😒

[quasi root]

Ink's villain origin story

[surreal zealot]

i think i might be dumb. I can't select presets or change starting character in the config generator.

[faint sinew]

Those are all disabled, as they're not implemented

[hidden lynx]

The speedStatMonsters setting in the config file doesn't keep monster speed at stock when set to MAINTAIN_STOCK. I can still alter monster's speed with the speedStatMonstersUpperBound and speedStatMonstersLowerBound setting. I'm using Irongoon v.0.4.5. The other monster settings like TotalStatsPerLevel and hpStat remain at stock when set to MAINTAIN_STOCK, so I'm almost certain this is a mistake. Or am I mistaken?

[faint sinew]

Maintain stock or stock should keep things stock. Will need to see why the upper and lower modifiers are ignoring monster speed.

Good find. 👍

[opal valve]

they usually do it with method handles these days

And yeah, this is one of the gazillion reasons, I would rather use Clojure or Kotlin on the JVM.

[pale stratus]

so i wanted to ask i am thinking of streaming in future and was wondering if it was ok to Do a Playthrough of SC/Irongoon wanted to get created permission before locking anything in

[pale stratus]

so i also can't have more then 2 of each item every time i Rando now is that normal?

[faint sinew]

You're welcome to stream anything :]

The rulesets are completely arbitrary and up to whatever you find fun or want to explore.

The default config is just one experience of randomization. Personal preferences largely by me based on my own play throughs and what I've found to be interesting.

[pale stratus]

ok Just wanted to know as unable to make my own seeds so wanted to make sure it was normal in the default or was getting unlucky

[faint sinew]

Definitely need to be able to generate your own seeds! The website can do it for ya.

[pale stratus]

This site?

[quasi root]

Yes that's the site

[pale stratus]

do i have to open the Config yami file with a certain program to work?

[quasi root]

That site will generate the config yaml for you

But if you want to edit it yourself you can just open it in notepad

[pale stratus]

ahhh ok sounds good thanks

[pale stratus]

Do we have a code/formula for chest item drops yet?

[faint sinew]

not yet

[pale stratus]

ok sounds good

[faint sinew]

https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/releases/tag/v0.4.6
Works w/ latest devbuild now

Will one day fix the 60MB shadowjar thing. 🫡

[eager canopy]

Heyho.. I saw that "modification" ..

and i got told to ask it in here.
Is this like more just stats random from enemies and charackters or is there a Randomizer like for bosses and monsters?
Like.. the first fruegel is changed with dont know Faust or whatever but scaled to the part so its beatable?

[vocal mesa]

random stats

lod is more or less impossible game for a true randomizer

[faint sinew]

mob-specific or mob-groupings is planned but atm it is all mobs or none to be affected by the randomizer
you can randomize characters and not enemies or other way

you can change if its body stats / hp / spd / drg for chars though
chect website for more or look at config

[faint sinew]

i think there's many types of randomizers and 'true randomizer' is only accurate to randomizers on open world / unlocked games like oot
pokemon is a largely similar linear story aside from gen 1

there's approaches to making lod less linear but its all a lot of work

the all in way would be:
first step is random enemies / encounters. Somehow making this make sense with either a) levels for down/up scaling, b) submap based scaling, c) 0-level progression flavours, or d) any other wild way to solve this.
second step is randomizing submap / world map entry points
third step is generating some type of 'open world' flow and associated logic for key items -> can be super messy and dynamic or specific keys retain their original purpose
fourth step is making all the above fun and interesting for a randomizer

lighter variants could be per disc, or some weird stuff with auto-scaling mobs anywhere...etc.
lots of potential i think.

and then something to keep the original spirit of the game but make it not so linear-locked...seems like the hardest one to figure out. The other options above kind of throw the 'spirit of the game' out the window. :]

[vocal mesa]

even if you scale stats properly

enemies like faust have 500% magic multipliers

no matter the scaling thats not gonna work

[vocal mesa]

this is embedded in the script btw

[faint sinew]

Yea it's going to be fun

[grim beacon]

Game with a hardline linear experience being obstinate toward randomizer-ing. 🙃

[quasi root]

I have some some ideas

[eager canopy]

i mean. The randomizer, needed to scale the lvl and stats from the bosses down or something.
when you switch the place
Like . First Fruegel have this and that stats. Then you switch it with like Faust. and faust get the same stats as fruegel. So you can beat it.
but maybe with a little variaten in the stats?
i dont know if this is even possible, bcs i cant code but taught that would work in somehow.
But appreciate the honest answers!

[grim beacon]

Crazy idea: make enemy attacks do percentage-based damage instead of the normal calculations. That way, no matter what level you are, the pain is the same! This is probably very flawed but would at least bypass having to make all enemies and their abilities dynamically "fit" at every possible point in the game's progression.

[vocal mesa]

drew this isnt soulslike lmao

[grim beacon]

hey it's already part of the vanilla game after all 😈 .

Also, I didn't say how much percentage. Percentage can be low for several attacks, unlike Dark Souls.

[near frigate]

But how can you learn an attack if it doesn't kill you in 1 shot; forcing you to walk for 3 minutes before trying again?

[solar cargo]

My irongoon playthrough rng has been something else man, kongol with 35 speed with baseline 30 stats at level 20 XD

Look how they massacred my boy

[faint sinew]

Sad big potato 🥔 😢

[junior portal]

Well this is a problem

It’s just this one magic attack from that lady executor that’ll fuck me up completely lmfao

My Hard Mode stats so far

[faint sinew]

those are some nice stat spreads

[quasi root]

Hey Ink's alive

[faint sinew]

sometimes i crawl out of the chains of work

[quasi root]

Sounds like you could use some severing

[grim beacon]

there's a new TV show for that!

[stone snow]

Hello. I was advised to post a mod suggestion here. - I saw that one of the feature is being able to replace Dart in the party. I was wondering if it's ever been considered to have a feature where the party is randomized for every encounter. (Maybe an option to have the selected party members for boss fights)

[faint sinew]

that would be awesome as an option

[stone snow]

Is Ink=Irongoon?

[grim beacon]

Ink is the author of the mod. Also yes.

[stone snow]

Thank you for the answer and added context!

[stone snow]

Glad you like it!

[valid hornet]

Was trying to make edits to the scdk-equip-stats.csv and I don't see the changes in game. Edits I made to scdk-character-stats.csv change the character's stats, so csv edits at least somewhat work for me.

[faint sinew]

Equipment not yet supported. Monsters and characters excel sheets are supported.

Equipment is complex with a wide surface area of possibilities. How do you envision equipment to be randomized?

[valid hornet]

Randomize who can equip what.

[reef zenith]

how come I dont see this under my mods? Am I doing something wrong?

[quasi root]

That depends, what did you do? 😛

[faint sinew]

see #1199973469148958822 message

[empty folio]

Can we adjust the config.yaml while SC is launched or does it need to be adjusted before launching SC?

It seems like I cant turn on/off the toggles. Are these not included yet?

Also am I replacing all the existing text in the config.yaml file with the generated text from dragoonmods?

@faint sinew Sorry for the ping, just want to make sure I'm doing everything right

[quasi root]

Mods are reloaded when you start the game so if you edit it while on the title screen it should be fine

[empty folio]

So I replaced all the text in the yaml file with the text generated from Dragoonmods and it seems that I no longer have any sound

Not sure how to fix this

[quasi root]

hwat

Does it work if you restart SC?

[empty folio]

I'll try

welp

yes

LOL

[quasi root]

I have no idea then lol

[empty folio]

I seem to have done a nono

SC isnt starting now

[quasi root]

More error log further down?

[quasi root]

There's an error somewhere in the config

Something that should be a number isn't

[empty folio]

I only changed this config for irongoon

To note: I did game over on the randomizer so im unsure if that messed something up

[quasi root]

Yeah it's an issue with the irongoon config

[empty folio]

Save me Lord Monoxide

I found a way to fix it. @quasi root No need for further assistance at this time

[quasi root]

Okay

Ink doesn't have a whole lot of free time lately but feel free to post here if you have any issues and someone should be able to help

[empty folio]

Will do. Thanks

[empty folio]

Actually rolling 1 M att shana at the start is crazy

[faint sinew]

I'm glad you got it working. 👍
I need to improve at least the error messaging for config parsing issues. Yaml was a choice.

Good luck with beef Shana.

[empty folio]

Dart rolled 0 def body

[empty folio]

Yeah, it’s working great now! And I’m really enjoying it

Is there anyway to change the random battle maps/battle music while keeping this seed?

[faint sinew]

Yes. Can just change the options in the config. Providing your seed is being used from the config and not the auto campaign one.

music might always be randomized in battle for this build though

[empty folio]

I generated a new seed on dragoonmods and imported that into the irongoon config. So I believe it is reading that one. All I need to do is change the stage variable under the #encounters segment yeah?

[faint sinew]

yes

[empty folio]

Awesome! Thanks Ink

[faint sinew]

yw, keep us updated on your runs :]

[empty folio]

Happily

[empty folio]

Dart may or may not have just taken 1210 from Urobolus... 👀

That 0 Def is no joke

Ok, i might be keeping the random battle stages. So cool seeing the cutscene play out here

[empty folio]

in case someone wanted to see the image

[quasi root]

My man is wearing toilet paper armour

[empty folio]

Lord help him

I had Knights shield off of him cause he would still get one shot during the snake fight

[empty folio]

Toilet paper armour got my sides hurting lmao

[grim beacon]

Most people have an effective armor of 0, tbf. 😆

[faint sinew]

lvl6 0def gl for the rest of the run

[empty folio]

Urobolus wrapped around a tree goes so hard

[empty folio]

HEALING RAIN IN BALE SHOP

[empty folio]

[faint sinew]

Dart redemption

[empty folio]

MAGIC SIG STONE IN THE MARHSLAND

This run is looking so good

wait that's retail

ignore me

[faint sinew]

haha haven't randomized chests yet

mob loot is doable though

[empty folio]

Im so looking forward to that

being able to multiple material shields is def helping with toilet paper dart

Does getting an Elemental Field actually boost/lower the respective elements?

[quasi root]

Yes

[faint sinew]

dont rmbr exactly but i think the elemental stuff for stages among other things are in scripts so can't modify that to be in line with anything atm aside from forcing some logic to pick known battlestages with desired effects

[quasi root]

Oh I misunderstood the question, my bad

[empty folio]

Magic dart goes CRAZY

[empty folio]

Magic Dart strikes again (still disc 1)

[empty folio]

Water Kongol

Doel randomized his field 👀

[empty folio]

So fitting

[empty folio]

Pretty solid stats for Meru

BEMUSING ARROW DROP FROM ARROW SHOOTER

2%

[faint sinew]

RNG teh urn

[empty folio]

@faint sinew hey Ink have you heard of archipelago (The multiworld multi-game, randomizer)?

Here’s a link to it in case you see this while I’m away:

https://archipelago.gg

I’m wondering what the viability of getting LoD SC added to this would be?

(Perhaps this is a question more suited towards Monoxide )

[faint sinew]

Capability is there. Capacity not so much.

What makes meta-modding things like this possible are large and committed players of the mods, not so much the mod authors or game creators.

It is also a hard dependency on their api and infra. So it would be more of their community wanting to see sc on their platform rather than the lod community wanting it on there.

Would be fun either way.

[empty folio]

Damn, I would love to be able to see it on there one day. Playing LoD randomizer while helping friends in their own randomizers would be a dream

But I understand the hurdles that would need to be tackled to do so

[empty folio]

I just had a mini boss run from me due to confusion from Bemusing Arrow...

Mah xp...

[faint sinew]

Haha exp risk

[quasi root]

@faint sinew I'm going to merge the itemstacks branch, I don't think you will need to change too much in irongoon but there will be a couple things

[empty folio]

Regole flooded Dole's Throne Room

Fire & Water Pair, they cover each other's weakness. Kinda neat

[empty folio]

What kind of item shop is this 💀

Good lord the atk values are popping off

14% def and 0% mdef in dragoon is absolutely insane

[faint sinew]

Quarterly update sync initiated.

Likely Tuesday EOD if no one complains sooner. 🫨

[faint sinew]

Imagine that in Hellmode 🫨

[faint sinew]

True Kongol

[empty folio]

So real

The kongol we deserved but never got

Also 54 base speed gonna go crazy with double bandit +40

[empty folio]

New crash. Not sure if its related to irongoon. Posted in player help
https://discordapp.com/channels/307164262063669248/408013767151058946/1427839994147377203

[empty folio]

I love magic dart

(This is Flame shot)

Against Non-Elemental

[faint sinew]

Its over 9000

[empty folio]

Does SC allow dmg to exceed 9999?

[quasi root]

Yes, SC cap is 999999999

The first person to hit that severs their chains and becomes the new soa

[empty folio]

I’ll see if I can make it happen with the correct setup with Mart or lore Kongol

[empty folio]

This may take some time for I am still only on disc 3 and trying not to get aoe one shot by some crazy stated bosses

[faint sinew]

waiting patiently, may have time Sunday to patch irongood to latest sc

[empty folio]

Thanks for the assist there Dart my boy

I never noticed how absolutely massive the model for the divine dragon was

[empty folio]

Uhh. This seems like a kinda crazy reward...

8% * 3

[faint sinew]

Rng god

[empty folio]

Did the math on this

0.000512 or ~0.05% chance

[quasi root]

@here I'm going to be merging in a major update today, so if you want to update your devbuild, do so now

Once I push the update, irongoon will no longer be compatible with the devbuild until Ink has a chance to update

[faint sinew]

Push it Daddy

[quasi root]

Daddy is pushed

Let me know if there are any issues with the events

[empty folio]

Does the dev build get auto updated?

[quasi root]

Yes, it's already updated now

Or do you mean your copy of it

If so, no

[empty folio]

ahh, I have to manually update it?

[quasi root]

Yes

But don't 😛

[faint sinew]

step 1 complete

[faint sinew]

so many updates with intellij

this one is gone?

use the new encounter registry ir

battlemusicevent looks to be the one to use instead

randomizing escape chance looks like that ability needs a new event

[faint sinew]

ah giveitemchanges pain and suffering

[quasi root]

It's much more powerful now

Give me a list of anything you find that's missing

[faint sinew]

Irongoon v0.4.7 - compatible with latest sc devbuild

these files are changed in main sc to get it to build on java 25, gradle 9.1.0, with intellij 2025.2 or so
too dumb to figure out why the diff

[quasi root]

What's the difference?

[faint sinew]

just gradlew.bat now
but its constantly keeping itself updated to some version
cant keep it original even with git

even cloning into a new folder it somehow knows

[quasi root]

Uh

But what's the actual diff?

[faint sinew]

none apparently

[quasi root]

File mode?

[faint sinew]

not sure what that means. the git diff is - every line and then + every line. copy pasting or dragging the file over to my sc fork...shows no diff.

[quasi root]

Oh, probably changing line endings

[faint sinew]

changed those to lf and cr mode already

[quasi root]

Okay well I have no idea then lol

[faint sinew]

me either lol

BUT ITS BLUE

[quasi root]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[cinder flume]

Reading this and barely knowing Java, destroys my brain. I am in Awe of your powers. o.o

[faint sinew]

worked, no idea, let ai take the wheel
hashes were the same too

# Clean Git index
git rm -rf --cached .

# Delete Git's local cache
rmdir /s /q .git\index
del /f .git\index

# Clean Git's internal cache
git gc --prune=now --aggressive

# Reset to HEAD
git reset --hard HEAD

# Re-add everything
git add .

# Check status
git status

[quasi root]

Well, okay

[empty folio]

Kongol finally acquired some Mdef Dragoon modifier. blessed be no more crashes

Kongol with Bandits ring and speed up just went 3 times in a row. I could cry rn

Finally some justice for the boss man

[empty folio]

Sand Kraken. Earth element on a dusty map

[quasi root]

Heheh nice

[empty folio]

It attacked once

💀

[quasi root]

Was nice knowing you

[empty folio]

His aoe ice attack broke 10k damage and my characters have decent mdef…

This is gonna be a ruff fight

[faint sinew]

respect demanded

[cinder flume]

is this from the mod??? o.o

[empty folio]

Yep!

[cinder flume]

Gonna need to look at this more than I was before xD

[empty folio]

gonna try my hand at beating it again now

It wiped me the first attempt

Lovely turn 1

is there a reason why Miranda is named "Who?" 🤣

this is fun

[cinder flume]

are the characters randomized? And obviously because who really likes Miranda? I'm not a fan, but thats just bias cause they took my dude's wife... Not cool Melbu DooDoo

[empty folio]

No, I can take whoever I want into combat

New team. Hopefully this goes better

Solid start, lets hope for no magic attacks from this guy

welp

[cinder flume]

Looks at Lavitz Well... your mom's gonna be pissed at me...

[empty folio]

Magic dart doing his job

[empty folio]

Mind you, its doing that damage while powered down

But with elemental advantage against lavitz/albert since the kraken is earth

[cinder flume]

YeAH, I'm just wondering how to use irongoon and not ruin myself xD

[empty folio]

it truly depends on the seed

[cinder flume]

Do you use the basic config that's just set to random

?

[empty folio]

yeah

My seed was impossible but I wanted to start the game with lavitz so I just forced added him into my party at the very start of the game

(Dart started with 0 base def so he couldn't live a single attack)

SUCCESS!

Mart always coming in clutch

[faint sinew]

miranda too cool had to tame them down

[empty folio]

Cool to know that the final addition is given in real time even if during combat

[faint sinew]

when possible in the future I plan to implement options in the randomizer for random character(s) on start, during progression, and per battle.

[cinder flume]

Was the first thing that sealed the deal for me. Hot swapping additions mid fight has been a god send.

[faint sinew]

dragoonmods.com has a helpful ui to explain all the options

[cinder flume]

https://tenor.com/view/wawaweewaah-very-nice-gif-18885586

Ooooooooo supah spicy. Me likey.

[empty folio]

Right now, im doing self restrictions. Only running lowest lvl party members and cannot use Next addition until previous has been mastered

[faint sinew]

where lavitz belongs

[empty folio]

Bruh

[cinder flume]

BLASPHEMY! T^T

[empty folio]

You wound me

[cinder flume]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[faint sinew]

i only see weak chests

[empty folio]

PFFT

[cinder flume]

Oooooo

[empty folio]

Alright, that one got me

[cinder flume]

I mean, you're a Meru fan, so that's based af.

Meru is the shizzy. She so dang quick boi.

https://tenor.com/view/dance-hammertime-mc-hammer-gif-352549262400188015

[empty folio]

@faint sinew yo, do you know of a way to unequip items without needing something to replace it?

[faint sinew]

afaik you always need something equipped

[cinder flume]

Insert Blocked Slot Armor/accessory here

[faint sinew]

gamestate editor you can add items if needed

[empty folio]

rip, accidently sold all my boots and now bandits shoes are stuck on 1 character

[faint sinew]

turn random shops on and hope for the best

[empty folio]

I just need a pair of dusty sandles

[cinder flume]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[empty folio]

yeah, ive been looking

Callous

Btw the random shops are so sick

They can sell repeatables

[faint sinew]

they're wild

[cinder flume]

oh reaaaaaally now?

Clicks download on github

[empty folio]

These were HARD needed on dart early game

[faint sinew]

there are options to filter out things like repeatables, legendaries, or specific items

or force items in

yea early game is super volatile

[empty folio]

early game is crazy crazy

you will die

a lot

[faint sinew]

it makes me happy when folks do

:]

[empty folio]

I avoided game overs by just force shutting down lol

I want to keep this run alive

Mart gonna take us home

[faint sinew]

delete save on game over, perm char death

cant wait

[empty folio]

Sounds exciting

rougelike elements 👀

[faint sinew]

sounds like work for me on sc to do

[empty folio]

I will break that damage cap 🙂

Just you wait

[cinder flume]

quick ? there a install guide? I'm a perusing, but i may miss it

[empty folio]

This is what the SC folder should look like

This is to launch the game (assuming you have the ISO files)

[faint sinew]

https://legendofdragoon.org/guides/setup-severed-chains/
to set up sc

[cinder flume]

I got SC no prob. Meant more for Irongoon, so i don't goof nuttin lol

[faint sinew]

excellent

https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/releases/tag/v0.4.7
download the .zip
extract into the mod folder of sc as is
i have a post in here with screens one sec

this

this

[empty folio]

Should probably pin that

[faint sinew]

probably
i need to make a video guide

[faint sinew]

and you'll want to pay attention to

[empty folio]

Dart is finally off of Burning Rush half way through disk 4, I could cry

[faint sinew]

config.yaml applies live to any loaded campaign

[faint sinew]

additions are badly progressed in the main game...even worse in dmod or this mod

[cinder flume]

wi assume this means the public seed is one precoded into the game? Excuse my coding and modding illiteracy, I wish to learn.

[faint sinew]

add learn levels and add hits can be rng'd now but havent implemented

[empty folio]

I made it even harder because the characters that are falling behind on additions are usually lvls ahead so I end up not using them as much until they become the lowest lvl

[faint sinew]

when you open config.yaml the first option is the publicSeed

the website has the means to generate a new one if you want to do manual

[cinder flume]

oh. Alrighty.

[faint sinew]

you can also let the campaign generate one for you but thats locked in for the campaign

[tepid wasp]

Q: Is it rough?
A: Don't count on it, ruff.

[empty folio]

Lies

[cinder flume]

Will it randomize prior played campaigns or will it require running on a new save to start randomizing? (Mainly so I know if my current save is in danger.)

[empty folio]

Apologies for my interruptions. Hope you can get it set up currectly callous

I had some issues trouble shooting it initially

[faint sinew]

ruff watched Rose for ten thousand years and Rose only reciprocated for a few hours in Ruff's world

[empty folio]

Damn, that's rough.

[empty folio]

I would recommend starting a fresh campaign for it

[faint sinew]

if the mod is active, selected for the campaign, it will randomize.
past campaigns aren't auto turning the mod on

the mod is transient. aside from new saves with the mod on...it doesnt change anything in a permanent way.

easiest way to check is if Darts level 1 stats are different or looking to see it the irongoon seed option exists

[cinder flume]

❤️

[faint sinew]

yep

[empty folio]

Is there anything I can do on the game state editor to give me the laws I need to skip Zenabatos 💀

[faint sinew]

no idea

turn encounters off :]

[empty folio]

that would def help

how does one do that xd

[faint sinew]

sc options

[empty folio]

Oh you can do it in game without the debugger?

[cinder flume]

i think i'm cooked, first run...

darts sitting at like 3 across his stats xD

[empty folio]

wait

that doesnt seem quite right does it?

i forget how much mine had starting

idk what the total sum of all his stats should be at lvl 1

[faint sinew]

3 sounds vanilla

have to enable the mod on creating a new campaign

[cinder flume]

I did.

[faint sinew]

screen of darts stats?

[cinder flume]

1 sec, dialog

[faint sinew]

2 4 3 4 50 is vanilla

[empty folio]

you can speed up the dialog through the debugger if you ever want to

[cinder flume]

yeah, this ain't xD

[faint sinew]

god tier

[empty folio]

66 WTF

SPEEDART

[cinder flume]

I guess I got lucky af xD

[faint sinew]

?max is 70? idr

[cinder flume]

I never paid attention to base states tbf

[empty folio]

1 atk tho

another Mart in the making

where's my image

[faint sinew]

make sure to heal :]

and save

lol

[cinder flume]

how do i set shops to random and stuff like that?

[faint sinew]

set it to 5 in the debugger and then hit control + q to toggle to 1 and back to 5

[faint sinew]

config.yaml has all the options
you can read what they do by hovering over them on
dragoonmods.com

[cinder flume]

BTW, you're a wonderful human being for assisting us, at what for me is 2am. xD

[faint sinew]

im about to leave to finish painting :]

actually dont use the website config

its outdated

[empty folio]

God bless you for this

[empty folio]

btw I couldnt find this option in game

nvm

[faint sinew]

https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/wiki/Config-Reference
and
https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/wiki/Config-Template

[empty folio]

im dumb

was looking for something like "Disable encouters"

[faint sinew]

real gamers play on intended and never run

max additions every step of the way

[cinder flume]

Alright, we got a sea dragon lair fight on our hands

[empty folio]

I only run on a black screen stage to avoid possible crashes

[faint sinew]

bottom of the first link a few options for shops

[empty folio]

Good luck out there gamer o7

[faint sinew]

what are their elements

[empty folio]

imagine fire

[cinder flume]

LOL

[empty folio]

nice

neutral damage with burn out

[cinder flume]

.> Doesn't have it. Let's not talk about the first fight dropping me two HP pots and telling me I "Have too many items" with 3 of 32 in my inventory. xD

[faint sinew]

haha there is an option for inventory limits

and per item limits

itemCarryLimit: 2

[cinder flume]

Yeah, the base is 32 in sc, which i tend to keep, and then I have it set to 2 per item, cause i'm a greedy bast- man.

[faint sinew]

ex: only 2 hp pots allowed in inventory

[empty folio]

Oh is that what that meant?

I thought it was bugged

[cinder flume]

hmmm in the config or in the game?

[faint sinew]

i think with per item limits having your backpack size being 64 is best

[empty folio]

and capped my whole invent to 2 even tho I set it to 60

[faint sinew]

too many options too many well named ones what can i say

[cinder flume]

mans just hit me with a burnout and dropped me to 1 o.o

[faint sinew]

time to step up!

[empty folio]

he may have high magic atk

take one of these

[faint sinew]

cheater

[empty folio]

Like I said, I removed it thinking it was a bug capping my whole invent to just 2 xd

[faint sinew]

haha

its fun to play vanilla with just that on

very different game

[empty folio]

Its ok, I was with 0 angel prayers for 80% of my gameplay cause NO SHOPS HAD EM

[faint sinew]

LOL

gl Callous!

hope you die again Ninshi

[empty folio]

I had to rely on set chest locations and shana

[cinder flume]

i died. xD

[empty folio]

I will

I know i will lol

[cinder flume]

Popped my potion, smacked me with another burnout.

[faint sinew]

welcome the fun

[empty folio]

NOT LIKE IT MATTERS MAN

SOMETIMES YOU JUST GET FULL PARTY WIPED AT FULL HP

Its fun tho

Love this mod so much

[faint sinew]

pro tip: monsters have diff behaviours at blue yellow and red hp thresholds

this mod makes you learn them in disc 1

[empty folio]

Isnt that just vanilla?

HP bars def help with managing thresholds tho

[cinder flume]

quick ? what is the number to deactivate carry limit? or just set it to match the inventory size?

[empty folio]

uhh

Can you send your yaml file

[cinder flume]

i fixed it xD

[empty folio]

o nice

[cinder flume]

Even the MUSIC??? BRUH

I'm not mad about that bump. Made me about even.

[empty folio]

NICE!

Those stats looking crazy good

Love the camera angle game

[cinder flume]

o.o These Trent are painful.

6,9,7,8 not bad progress. This might be a good run

[empty folio]

Looking really rounded out

I love my dart lol

[faint sinew]

massive

[quasi root]

Who the hell is Miranda?

[cinder flume]

Wheres the dragoon!? LMFAO

[empty folio]

The spirit of Lavitz is near 👀

[empty folio]

Let’s ask an expert

[tepid wasp]

Q: who the hell is Miranda?
A: Definitely, ruff.

[empty folio]

This is why punctuation and capitalization matter.

“Definitely, ruff” is not the same as “Definitely Ruff”

[quasi root]

I mean, it did answer your question

[empty folio]

Miranda was just a construct developed by Ruff to replace Shana in preparation for the inevitable attempt of the birth of the God of Distraction

[tepid wasp]

Q: is Miranda just a question mark?
A: No, ruff.

[empty folio]

👀

[quasi root]

Whoever Miranda is, she's at least a few question marks

[empty folio]

We really don’t know anything about her besides “mom left me and I got anger issues”

“Also I can go pew pew”

[faint sinew]

1. Better than Shana
2. Would despise Lavitz
3. Best character depth and development 👏

[empty folio]

Spirit of Feyrbrand rolled its elemental field 👀

[faint sinew]

kongols hp vs merus

lol

[empty folio]

To be fair, meru is wearing the dragon helm lol

[cinder flume]

seeing this reminded me i needed to play some of my randomized run

I'm considering streaming it xD

[cinder flume]

Even stevens... I like it.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm I HAVE FORSAKEN THE REALM!

[cinder flume]

Lavitz.... wasn't great man... I'm sorry.

Welp... Apparently Shana has a friggin cannon with 13 attack off body alone o.o

[empty folio]

That atk

[empty folio]

You got an atk heavy Shana too?

[cinder flume]

Yeah, normally she doesn't do shiz early on. She's one shotting most of the scrub enemies in hellena off rip

[empty folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199973469148958822/1414477868309938268/image.png?ex=68fd046b&is=68fbb2eb&hm=8cd7338ae54245f279400f4699aca9270ff43d6381a6dcc009635481a079eefa&

Here was mine

Unfortunately no % modifier from additions

[empty folio]

Mine dies to magic sneezing on her

Yours are well rounded out

[cinder flume]

so far, but boy, lavitz didn't get a good hand so far, he is actually the lowest hitter

avg rn is 5s while dart is sitting at 10 and shana at 9s

THO These Wardens.... WTF man... One hit lavits for 70....

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-shook-shocked-gif-13010143

though, 100%, Dart is my all arounder so far xD He's TOO even. Sometimes I feel like he needs beef.

[empty folio]

Just you wait to see what’s truly possible. 4 digit numbers where being on both sides while still in disc 1

[cinder flume]

would the drop loot happen to be randomized? lol

lol yeah, dart is way too even. dudes at 11,11,11,13

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[empty folio]

nope

[cinder flume]

i love getting the transitional screen for a battleground. it's just black xD

BRO GIVE ME A BREAAAAAAAAK!

https://tenor.com/view/young-padawan-luke-balance-yoda-starwars-gif-11218619

Perfect....

[empty folio]

wow lmao

[empty folio]

This is peak

Just noticed I randomized the correct stage for the zackwell fight

IM SORRY? 6 HP BUT 372 MDEF????

[empty folio]

What's the logic behind the defensive stats on enemies?

[cinder flume]

how do you bring up that debugger?

nvm figured it out

lol wtf

okay this scale has me all kinds of screwed up. Apparently I can hit 8s on 193, but 20s on 93... how does this damage model work? lmfao

[empty folio]

yeah, no clue lmao

[cinder flume]

Urobolos got.... nerfed into the dirt...

bro, 7 attack...

WAIT. You're telling me whomever is in slot 1 hits Urobolos? DUUUDE that's cool

Lavitz leaped in the air holding it spear, it was wild xD

Shana sitting at 20 attack and M def with 12 Def. Lol

[empty folio]

I just saw Kongol’s for the first time. I have never been happier 🤣

[cinder flume]

What yaget?

[faint sinew]

Every mob or boss is centered around 100 def and mdef. Characters are not centered around 100 def and mdef. This disparity is reconciled by mobs atk and matk being similar to characters (grow over time) and mobs HP values. Tertiary and a lot less impactful is mob/boss specific movesets or gimmicks to balance things out.

Since the dmg formula is insane and the base is 100def this is why early levels are super volatile. Hitting 5s to 90s because of +/- 5 stat points is entirely reasonable in this system early on.

[cinder flume]

o.o This makes sense. I've had a few hellena warden sitting at 300 but I was still able to slip a 5 off dart into them. Idk man, it's wild. But watching that 70 pop on lavits was a SCARY moment. I panic spammed that enemy until it was dust in the friggin wind

[faint sinew]

The mod has enemy variance built in as well. More source of volatility early.

[faint sinew]

Irongoon v0.4.8
https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/releases/tag/v0.4.8

Atm no impact on d magic or the d special that gets started.

[empty folio]

we in the end game now

[cinder flume]

bruh im slackkkkinnn i need to finish my other playthrough then really grind out my Irongoon play through.

Work and kids got me rail roaded x.x

ALSO I KNOW WHAT I WANNA MOD. It's gonna be hell on earth, but I have a flippin GOAL

Changing the FLIPPING ADDITIONS FOR DRAGOONS! I can't stand the D.Additions man, that dumb circle mini game screws me at the last hit EVERY SINGLE TIME. SADNESSSSSSSS. I apologize, for the caps, I was just playing earlier and lost my absolute crap after failing 4 seperate D.additions to where i just hard quit the game in rage......

i guess i don't understand how i'm supposed to hit the little red pillar with the ball of light perfectly and it actually count consistently.

Shows I nail it like it says too, and nope. Lol

[empty folio]

I think SC changed the timing on the last input from retail

Might be placebo but it’s felt different for me

Maybe it’s because retail had some input lag

[quasi root]

Nope, we haven't changed any attack timings

[cinder flume]

Even on SC i struggle to hit them. It is brutally painful to need to special dragoon to get a free full d.addition...

I just wanna make it so the animation plays and you have the regular adition style interface, while tightening input timing to make the speed difference clear. As imo as a dragoon you'd move significantly faster. Not sure if thats taken into account in game or not.

[faint sinew]

two factors

1. no input delay
2. no frame delay or other types of 'lag'

the animations largely line up a lot better now than retail which is a big hint that maybe retail wasn't entirely 'intended'
some animation timings are off anyways but this seems to be to make the hits 'easier' imo

i have tested randomizing the 1-4 frames for addy hits on a per hit per battle basis and its completely unplayable
cant wait to deploy it live

[chrome wind]

Hi,

Does this allow for randomizing which three characters are selected for the battle party on a per battle basis?

[empty folio]

Not yet. It’s been brought and I think @faint sinew plans to add it eventually. Not 100% sure on that though

[faint sinew]

Exploring character selections and randomizations atm. A bit finicky but lots of it seems doable atm.

Wide open to specific ideas relating to character rng things.

[chrome wind]

Well, Character swapping in battle, and Uncapped Party sizes have been proposed because people like using everyone.

If it could be arranged that characters are given certain probabilities for each slot, a very... "MacGyver" version of those could be implement through a randomised system.

I cant program. No idea how...
But I'd be happy to work out the math and percentages of a "Balanced but random" set.

Then obviously a chaotic set would be... Everything XD

[empty folio]

Would be interesting cause you would have to really think about how each character is geared

At least in terms of accessories

[chrome wind]

Yes... Especially with the different rates and chances of "Spawn" for each character.

[faint sinew]

Uncapped Party size likely will be apart of another mod. Randomizer will support any n party sizes though so you'd be able to mix and match mods.

Char swapping in battle not doable nicely in the modding api in a maintainable way and likely far off from it being doable. It also wouldn't be apart of the randomizer but the randomizer wouldn't prevent it from working however sc or another mod implements it.

Both of those aren't in the scope of the randomizer.

Random party load outs of 1 to 3 characters on encounter is doable though and sounds nifty.

[chrome wind]

Oh... I was aware of all of that... I meant that randomising party members per battle would be a pleasant alternative to those mods...

As well as something functional with Zy's Hell Mode.

[faint sinew]

they worked together before, unsure of now but if irongoon runs after dramod then i think all of irongoon events are compatible. its been a note to only implement things that are agnostic to whatever data is being passed in.
exception atm is a hardcoded element mapping list to bind key terms to specific elements.

mr mono has also given us priority handling of mod events so the possibility is there to iron out any hellish issues

[grim beacon]

new tags are available for modding threads: SC version supported, special instructions, fork, and so on. I have added the Devbuild/3.0 tag to this pre-existing thread.

[cinder flume]

o.o

I got railroaded so i made a new save, i'mma retry the old one a bit later to try and power up to handle the situation. Kongol got hands...

[faint sinew]

insert DnD meme here

[cinder flume]

BRUH literally the second starter fight, bro is hitting 90s. 5 retries, not a single hit below 34 T.T

[faint sinew]

the actual change for random parties was simple

the gazillion of config options are going to take forever

and this is likey going to be only usable from campaign start otherwise levels will be all over the place if sec chars werent getting exp from the beginning/unlocked/know to give xp to everyone from the start

[empty folio]

Thats so sick

also also

I got the cursed stage on a mandatory fight

Forced to smoke ball to be able to proceed. No xp and no equipment drop unfortunately

[faint sinew]

open debugger and lmk the combat stage id
i added more to the list but ig i missed this one
does this one also crash ig?

[empty folio]

yea, it crashes

[faint sinew]

f

[empty folio]

i'll reload the save to get the id

uhh

[faint sinew]

i wonder if some stages load incorrectly at times or im bad at going through the battle list lol

[empty folio]

where can I find the ID in the debugger xd

[faint sinew]

press get while in battle

[faint sinew]

43???

hmm

[empty folio]

Here's the crash log

[faint sinew]

yea all good

this scared me

[empty folio]

She ran away from the invasion and never got captured

[faint sinew]

what crashes on the black stage?

using items?

[empty folio]

additions and attack items

Havent tested healing items tho

[faint sinew]

doesnt for me weird

unless its cause im running intellij

did you crash on this one or just presume?

[empty folio]

I did crash twice

[faint sinew]

hmm to indra we go

[empty folio]

The crash report I sent is from that exact instance

[faint sinew]

yea but also noticed callous didnt crash nor did dauer
so atm its just you

:]

[empty folio]

But like

Why

lol

[faint sinew]

in these circumstances i just blame monoxide and hope for the best

[empty folio]

What an oddity

[faint sinew]

could delete all your files and re unpack

and see otherwise idk

[empty folio]

I’m just glad there’s a work around w/ being able to smoke ball out

[faint sinew]

yea pretty funny

[empty folio]

I’ll just force add the axe to invent

The xp isn’t too big a deal

[faint sinew]

but also indicating it might be your unpack 🤷

[empty folio]

Welp, for the time being I’ll just work around it lol

Glad it’s just a me thing and not a bug within the mod

[faint sinew]

yea no crash for me

but he did just attack a dead miranda
and changed her deathbody position lol

ig its slot 0 fun

ig party rando will need a slot override config so nodart stuff can be resolved quickly on the fly

[empty folio]

You got this, I believe in you

[faint sinew]

where stream Ninshi

[empty folio]

Brother, it was 4:25am on a weekday when you sent that lmao

[faint sinew]

WTB stream Friday morning

[empty folio]

Work

[quasi root]

Ink's sleep schedule makes me sad

[faint sinew]

There's no sleep to be had

[cinder flume]

So, hilariously I've had this same combat screen. I've used items, D additions, transforms, and reggie additions. All conflicts have ended with no crashing.

I'm sorry to hear you're getting rail roaded, Ninshi

[cinder flume]

But so many restarts man.... SO MANY....

[faint sinew]

hahaha

getting to hellena is like my entire childhood nostalgia hit
this mod has been a trip because i get do to that run hundreds of times now :]

you experimenting with any of the config options or still going base config?

[cinder flume]

oh, i've been screwing with it.

I'm about to go reset some modifcations I made, cause I think that's screwing me.

[faint sinew]

haha

[cinder flume]

.> i see my misnomer

[faint sinew]

speedStatMonstersUpperBound: 90
speedStatMonstersLowerBound: 70
gl

shopAvailability: NO_SHOPS

[faint sinew]

LOL

[cinder flume]

Ahem Whoopsie.

o.o my randomizer decided Dart doesn't need 30 health, just 23

Internal screaming One tapped by sandora soldier boy

second try, i almost died, but i'm good

Watches a rat run WHAT!? They can RUN!> Gets hit by Chisel WHAT IS THIS SORCERY!?

One thing I thought was only scripted to certain enemies, and the other is an attack i've literally never seen. o.o

[faint sinew]

there is a doc with all the mob behaviours somewhere

[cinder flume]

BRUH, i've played a lot of this game and i'm still encountering stuff i've never seen. I'm flabberghasted. I didn't even know about the faust fight until last year!

[quasi root]

flabbers fully agape

[cinder flume]

^ all thanks to you!

[cinder flume]

You the goat. Hands down.

Got the stage, pic in bottom right is start, bottom left is addition, top right is after a sparknet, top left is finish screen. No issues for me

[faint sinew]

pog

[solar cargo]

Your favorite female vtuber when the cam glitches xd

[cinder flume]

Ink, you got the freedom to invest a second in a brain pick session? I'm goofing with the Config and I think i'm doing something wrong when it comes to shop randomizer.

[faint sinew]

Ill be home in 20 mins

[cinder flume]

Be safe, I appreciate you and look forward to picking you brain.

[faint sinew]

ok whats up

going to sleep now talk tmr

[cinder flume]

Night! Sorry, was mid chat with the wife. Tomorrow just lmk what of this I may need to change to actually randomize the shops. (shop size was just changed. Not tried it in game yet.

[faint sinew]

That would do it.
Recalled not shown there.

shopQuantityLogic means if it's an item shop, respect it by only randomizing items.

Overall it's what I would do.

[cinder flume]

My apologies. Would this happen to fix it? And I left all items in the recalled pool unchanged.

[cinder flume]

okie doke.

[faint sinew]

cursed

[faint sinew]

Irongoon - v0.4.9

Adds support for battle party randomizations. See images below for the new options.

Notes

• Config Reference is updated
• nodart is not crash free, use the battlePartyOverride momentarily to bypass crash encounters
• enableAllCharacters is only going to work on new campaign start. Enabling mid campaign will require the gamestate editor to get it in a working state (levels, enable characters).
• must update to latest SC

Some examples.

Randomize the battle party only once for the campaign with all characters enabled from the start.
Allow duplicates as a possibility.

enableAllCharacters: PERMANENTLY # only works on new campaign start
battleParty: RANDOM_CAMPAIGN
battlePartyOverride: [] # slot0: rose, slot1: meru, slot2: randomized would be ex: [3, 6]
battlePartySize: 3
battlePartyPool: [] # list of char ids to randomize from ex: [4,0,2,5], empty is all available
battlePartyDuplicates: TRUE

Randomize the battle party for every battle with a different party each time.
Exclude Dart, Lavitz, and Meru. (Albert still rollable)

enableAllCharacters: PERMANENTLY # only works on new campaign start
battleParty: RANDOM_BATTLE
battlePartyOverride: [] # slot0: rose, slot1: meru, slot2: randomized would be ex: [3, 6]
battlePartySize: 2
battlePartyPool: [8,5,7,4,3,2] # list of char ids to randomize from ex: [4,0,2,5], empty is all available
battlePartyDuplicates: FALSE

Same as previous.
Force Miranda to be in slot0 of every party. Other two slots left blank == randomized.

enableAllCharacters: PERMANENTLY # only works on new campaign start
battleParty: RANDOM_BATTLE
battlePartyOverride: [8] # slot0: rose, slot1: meru, slot2: randomized would be ex: [3, 6]
battlePartySize: 2
battlePartyPool: [8,5,7,4,3,2] # list of char ids to randomize from ex: [4,0,2,5], empty is all available
battlePartyDuplicates: FALSE

fyi
0 dart
1 lavitz
2 shana
3 rose
4 haschel
5 albert
6 meru
7 kongol
8 miranda

@chrome wind

Playing this with random_battle with 2 slots only (dupes on) has been a lot of fun

[chrome wind]

This looks fantastic @faint sinew
Going to enjoy messing with this.

So I've never messed around with this stuff before. This is pure fresh. The way I'm reading this though...

enableAllCharacters: PERMANENTLY
battleParty: RANDOM_BATTLE
battlePartyOveride: slot0: [ 1, 5 ] slot1: [ 2, 3 ]
battlePartySize: 3
battlePartyPool: [ 6, 7, 8 ]

Is the above correct to Randomise and unlock all characters. But have slot 1 Lav and Albert randomly, Slot 2 only Shana and rose and slot 3 random for all the others listed in the battle pool?

Or do I need to present the battlePartyOveride twice, once for each slot?

[faint sinew]

Override only takes 1 per slot. Interesting idea though with locking multiple to a slot.

All chars will be unlocked.

The Pool means only meru, kongol and Miranda can be rolled. Then the override will be used to override any of those.

Override: [2, 3, 5] is the format
2 is slot0, 3 is slot1, 5 is slot2

[chrome wind]

Got it. So override operates for 1 per a slot.
Do you know if there would be any odd behaviour by randomising all if all aren't unlocked? Or would it just add the characters to the pool as they are naturally introduced

[faint sinew]

It (most options) only try to randomize into the battle party characters that are enabled.

Override one just plops them into your party even if they aren't enabled. Think it's the only one.

[empty folio]

Damn it all

I’m almost done with my first playthrough and now I have to do another

[cinder flume]

Lol i'm still troubleshooting shops xD Cause i'm not smart.

but for now, i'm gonna play some Blade and Sorcery. I really need to commission someone to make a LoD mod xD Even if all the weapons are non changing, it would still be cool to use Dart's sword, or Kongol's axe.

[smoky siren]

I am back for my annual playthru of LoD

is there anyway for additions to be randomized yet?

I'd like to play with meru starting in the party

but waiting 20+ levels for her first addition is kind of awful

[faint sinew]

not currently
can work on it next
but also think that being able to provide manual customizations would be helpful too

[smoky siren]

I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult, do like a randomized with level bounds. But I am not a coder so I could be horribly horribly wrong

Also I was playing around with it last night, with all characters added at start, is there no way to remove a character from the party without swapping them? Like to go from 3>2>1 character

[chrome wind]

In SC there is a "Unlock Party" function in the options. Selecting that will allow you to remove party members and but them in reserve

[smoky siren]

So I had that checked, is there a specific button for just remove party members?

[faint sinew]

enableAllCharacters PERMANENTLY will keep bringing back all chars on submap load.
STORY_CONTROLLED will enable them on campaign start but will not re-add them back.

So the game state editor in the debug menu can be used to remove characters.
Any character not enabled will not be included in the battle party randomizations...except for battlePartyOverride.

[smoky siren]

so i how do i empty a party slot using debug? i tried leaving it blank but that did nothing. And in the replace menu, normally if i wanted to empty a slot i would just click on a blank one, but since all chracters are unlocked, there are no blank spaces to clik on

[faint sinew]

Yea the UI doesn't work if you have all characters unlocked.

With the battle party options this isn't a problem cause you're not in control of the party.

Without it, you need to use the gamestate editor. In an hourish I can send pics of what to do.

[faint sinew]

img1 - all char unlocked, all you can do is swap not reduce party size
img2 - enter the gamestate editor to the rescue
img3 - notice Party and Character
img4 - look at what i change
img5 - look at what it did
img6 - now look at this field, and its value
img7 - look at the change
img8 - ta da

[faint sinew]

@smoky siren
let me know if this works out for you

zip file has updated csv's
you'll want to change the addition unlock csv data to whatever youd prefer
at times i wasnt getting notified of the unlock so dbl check in the addition menu

ill add an addition unlock option for .10s full release
stock, levelOneStart, random

stock as usual loads from the csv
levelonestart will be a preload of what i think would be good addition unlock stages for a level one all unlocked start
random some type of rng to when you unlock, idk yet

[smoky siren]

Bless your soul Ink thank you

I'll check that out later today

[smoky siren]

for body stats, Randomize stock per level = Maintain_stock?

[faint sinew]

https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/wiki/Config-Reference

no rando would be STOCK

[smoky siren]

okay cool just double checking

[smoky siren]

can confirm this works now, thank you Ink

[faint sinew]

great

[cinder flume]

Bro holy ahit you work like a damn Mule. I disappear for a few days and you already got random additions about working? Absolute Chad.

[faint sinew]

Just pulling data from a csv.
Not yet randomized.

But soon

[robust dome]

Is there a link for the mod and what all it changes? I tried checking pin and phone says nothing to find

[faint sinew]

@robust dome this is the first post
nothing is pinned in here

github has steps to get it working or ask here

and there is a reference for all options
https://github.com/Ink230/irongoon/wiki/Config-Reference

[faint sinew]

@hallow elbow when you gonna find all the bugs in 0.4.10, 0.4.9, 0.4.8
aka stream while im at work

[chrome wind]

bodyTotalStatsDistributionPerLevel: RANDOM

If this is set to Stock the launcher runs an error.

If i set bodyTotalStatsPerLevel: STOCK will it override the distribution to stock as well?

Is this also in relevance to the upper and lower bounds? Does setting body stats to stock override anything that would do to?

[faint sinew]

Yes, bodyTotalStatsPerLevel: STOCK will not use the distribution config.

[chrome wind]

Thank you.
I'm attempting to achieve a "Only battle party is random" config and think I've done so.

Appreciate your amazing work ink

[faint sinew]

you can post the config and i can review

i have presets in mind but unsure yet how to deliver those in game

[chrome wind]

irongoon Condig for Randomised Battle party and battle music.
Characters to unlock as part of story

[faint sinew]

Looks good 👍
Good luck!

[cinder flume]

I'm gonna just.... Snatch this config and update my irongoon xD

[chrome wind]

I'm using it for a Hell Mode playthrough with Zy's DraMod...

Honestly, so excited. Gives me a reason to make sure everyone is geared reasonably.

Also, battle music is still randomised with this config

[faint sinew]

oh yea music is always randomized atm
im lazy

[chrome wind]

I'm pretty sure there is a function you have in the config already to prevent music randomisation.

I just left it on in this config because... well.. randomised music is cool

[empty folio]

Zieg being Dark is kinda neat lol

Shana on a tree branch lmao

Fitting stage for the final battle

Battle music is basic battle music lmao

Melbu is light element 👀

Maybe he was the good guy all along

[faint sinew]

He was anti soa until a couple of kids up to no good walked in

[chrome wind]

Lavitz and Kongol would have been rough in Zenebatos

[faint sinew]

fixes some crashes with shop randomizations enabled

[faint sinew]

initial attempt and playthrough of these addition unlock levels

constraints

• all chars unlocked from the beginning
• you dont get to choose your battle party
• either stuck to one distinct party or your party gets shuffled every fight
• no ultimate additions before level 20 except Kongol and slightly Rose

this spread felt nice but imagining repeated runs where the novelty has worn off and im not getting dopamine from all the new things to keep track of, i wonder if it would still be good

[hallow elbow]

went from stupid busy at work to montreal trip to osrs sailign addiciton i'll probably have time to stream again after i max. i'm off every second monday so i can aim to stream one of those days

[faint sinew]

nice cant wait for stream

how was the big poutine

[hallow elbow]

bruh i somehow completely dodged poutine

[faint sinew]

i was in ottawa for a bit so went to montreal a few times

WHAT

[hallow elbow]

went to schwartz's tho

[faint sinew]

how dare you

ah nice

[hallow elbow]

criminal i know

i lived in ottawa when i was a kid, gotta get back there someday

[faint sinew]

yea nice town

[hallow elbow]

decent size city without being toronto so i'm down for it

[faint sinew]

indeed

[barren stratus]

I must be doing something severely wrong, but whenever i generate my own config.yaml severed chains fails to launch. Using the config.yaml that came with the download works fine.

[faint sinew]

generate as in manually fill in and change?
feel free to post one that doesnt work for review

[barren stratus]

For the record i went to https://dragoonmods.com/mods/irongoon and had it generate my settings.

[faint sinew]

ah that is not updated to the latest version

sorry ive been lazy :]

[barren stratus]

Well, at least it was easy to diagnose.

[barren stratus]

I guess i will come back later when its easier to make a config

[faint sinew]

At some point it'll be an option to configure via in game.

It likely will never be easy and you'd have to rely on others making configs or others sharing popular configs around or mods using the randomizer in some way.

Killer features for a vanilla play through

• max of 2 quantity per item, with item stacks enabled
• randomize once enemy and char elements
• shop recall default list

This was a fun and simple run to set up!

[barren stratus]

The included file that i did get working had random party members per battle, and only 2 items allowed, it was a deal breaker for me. Im just looking for a simple setting of random stats but i couldent get it to work.

Random items when that exists also sounds like fun

[faint sinew]

v0.4.10
only stats are randomized for characters and mobs.
lmk if theres anything to adjust

[barren stratus]

Thanks for the help, i will test it out when i get time during the week.

[barren stratus]

Nice, first rando i started and shana has 108 hp

[faint sinew]

Dang best seed

[barren stratus]

Can i request a feature?
Randomize speed every level.
Its kinda sad when your entire team gets slapped with sub default speed. Waiting out their lull in usefulness and incentivizing using other party members is a good compromise.

[faint sinew]

Hahaha that's amazing 👏

Will do

Every level or every disc 🫨

Ever boss ?

Lose 1 speed permanently on addition miss?

:]

[barren stratus]

Disk sounds fun, but level is chaos

[faint sinew]

Yea

That's a good one

[vocal mesa]

every tick*

[barren stratus]

Lose 1 speed on guard, restore speed on inn rest.

[faint sinew]

Haha yes.

[barren stratus]

I have to say, my favorite thing so far is the random shops, having access to the repeat items early (if you get lucky) makes rolling low stats still enjoyable. My only complaint is their buy price is their sell price, which makes them by far the most money efficient thing you can buy. Powerful spell items, Healing rain, and everything you cant normally buy suffers from this.

[faint sinew]

Yea part 2 of shops is adjusting the buy sell in some way

[barren stratus]

Come on Albert, you were so close. Jokes aside though, he is a massive upgrade from my 30 speed Lavitz. And good to know it rerandomizes character replacements.

[barren stratus]

Lenus casually hitting the entire party for 1,500 damage...

My god... Its time for shaman Kongol. Look at that D magic.

[empty folio]

Holy good lord

And it can still go higher as you lvl the dragoon lvl

[barren stratus]

Update on kongol with meteor strike, might have a lot of magic resist though.

[barren stratus]

Have some trash mobs with that

who would have thought just giving Kongol dragoon magic was all he needed to be fun, i always thought it was his speed.

[faint sinew]

kongol goat

[barren stratus]

Golden Dragon appears

[faint sinew]

damage

[barren stratus]

After having played the first 3 chapters, i have some thought on randomization options i would like to see in the future.
1 - Chest contents / weapon shops / enemy drops
2 - Addition stats
3 - Tie random stat growth to dragoon stats
4 - Key item randomization with logic

Elaborating
1 - Finding gear earlier than you should sounds like fun, and could make some of the less useful stuff like elemental stones usable.

2 - Most additions are useless after you unlock the final, we need to mix things up.

3 - Starting dragoon stat modifiers governing how much of the characters total stats are distributed. example my Kongol image above would get almost exclusively magic attack, and no physical attack. It would be smart to limit the minimum stat to 50% with this setting.

4 - Cant wait to buy the war bulletin for 1000 gold and get a bouquet of divine dragoon.

[faint sinew]

chest randomizations is going to be a long time for that to work...lots of sc work needed,

enemy drops are possible to randomize. along with equipment stats. have yet to implement these.

weapon shops are randomizable now, options exist for them.

addition stats in progress based on per hit and status affliction. no eta.

different distributions and logic for body and dragoon stats can be supported. need full details on what these suggestions mean as the whole thing is complicated with lots of things to consider.

key items or goods just got registry support in sc. a lot of other key item like things are still locked behing scripts.

for 3 you can king of do this already

[barren stratus]

Sounds good, looks like quite a bit of what i want is being worked on already.

On the dragoon stat front it is a bit confusing to get across, lets see if i can clarify

Say Darts dragoon stats are 50% 100% 50% 200%
attack and M-attack would get the lowest share of stats on level, defense would get double that, and M-defense would get the largest share.

I suggest this because on my playthrough most my characters ended up with pretty much balanced stats, a little more oblong distribution would have mixed things up a bit more.

Alternatively We could just use a ranking of 10% 15% 30% 45% stat distribution based on lowest to highest.

That way characters keep an identity based on their native stat growth.

[barren stratus]

Meru just casually being a nuclear bomb

[cinder flume]

Ahem

I just came back. STop it

[faint sinew]

Best party 🥳

[cinder flume]

I screwed those settings up, ngl. xD

The game went wild. I had 3 Mirandas that would swap but dear god, i hate it

how bad this looking? I just changed partyduplicates to false

[faint sinew]

Looks fun

Item carry limit 32 means u can have up to 32 burn outs. I recommend inventory size 64 with an item carry limit of 2. But just personal preference.

[cinder flume]

any time i try and set that to 2, it makes it impossible for me to pick up more than 2 total items, idk, might just be me, but never was able to grab a second item named the same, it just locked me to an invtory of 2

[barren stratus]

I used Options > Gameplay

[faint sinew]

That is exactly what it's for and what I meant.

Inventory Size: 64
Item Carry Limit: 2
Item Stack Size: 1

[cinder flume]

bro i'd fail. 2 healing pots? jeeeeeez talk about needing to cheese guard xD

[faint sinew]

Haha :]

[cinder flume]

Ten minutes in a small battle just to fight the boss xD

Been there back in the OG game when I was 12 xD

My dumbass ran out of potions and was like "I can beat this thing" yeah, no. Not then.

[barren stratus]

I would entertain smaller stack sizes, but i randomized shops and all my healing potion shops were limited access, good luck buying potions again from Dabas.

I think my run hit a dead stop, damn divine dragon spirit in mayfil hitting 5K through power down, power up, and rose storm. Time to plot my next settings.

[faint sinew]

For the runs that come after 🫨

[cinder flume]

Hello, anyone puttering around?

[faint sinew]

always

[cinder flume]

So

WHAT DID I DOOOO!

[cinder flume]

okay. I fixed it. But also. LOL

Idk how, but I broke the status screen. Then fight loaded to an Instant game over after that

Changed some stuff and broke the ability to even have a character at that point. So i back tracked. Does changing Charavailability to Stock, block the randomization of the first fight? It seemed to force Dart the two random runs I started.

[faint sinew]

Need screenshot of the status screen

[cinder flume]

If I get it to happen again. I will~!

It was a one time thing so far, and it was directly after I updated SC

[faint sinew]

Character availability needs to be on at the start of the campaign. Turning it off and on after starting a campaign is likely to have things be weird.

But nothing UI should break from it

[cinder flume]

What I think did it, was I changed enableallcharacters to stock, then changed the battleparty pool to exclude specifically dart. When I ran it, popped open the menu and checked status, prior to the fence, the border detailing around his equipped gear was just gone.

Like I said, if I get it a second time, i'll let ya know.

But I don't really want all characters enabled, can that even be Stock and still get a randomization?

But, funny thing

[faint sinew]

Yes enable all characters stock
And still have party randomizations

[cinder flume]

Okay, so it was probably something to do with the fresh update and excluding dart as a randomization option. Or just the fresh update xD

[faint sinew]

That screen is all position based and it also breaks with all characters on there so it needs some fixing

Exclude Dart, only have Dart unlocked...I think it should crash. :]

[cinder flume]

It just auto failed the first battle and GO screened me

[faint sinew]

Ah perfect 👌

Serves you right

[cinder flume]

Lmfao.

Didn't even spawn a character just loaded in, showed the field, fade to black.

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-sad-wojak-depressed-wojak-sad-sad-dhillon-wojak-gif-16800400607119690952

[quasi root]

I'm surprised SC handles that without crashing

[faint sinew]

Same

[cinder flume]

Imagine it picking it like an Enemy.

It can just say "No spawn" and it does that.