Dragoon Modifier

[ivory elbow]

There is no Legend Casque in Lohan so it is impossible rn

I'm lvl 60 D Level 3

[gusty pagoda]

@modest dawn got her first try with ur strat ty

[modest dawn]

let's gooo! great to hear

I've been basically abusing Dart since then

I'm not at that point yet so I can't help, I'm about to finish disc 3

[ivory elbow]

Can you try him tonight? I'm Italian btw so it is 7 p.m rn idk where you from?

[modest dawn]

well, the thing is, I'm not at that point in the game

[ivory elbow]

I tried even without enrage so he doesn't have shield, i had albert kongol and dart, kongok receives 23k dmg already halved with the scarf

[modest dawn]

until I can get to Faust I need to do several disc 4 things

and I'm not even there yet

is the magic attack from Faust aoe or single target?

[ivory elbow]

Yes but it took me less than 3 hours from vellweb and then i defeated the dragoons before going to faust

Aoe

Attacks twice btw

[modest dawn]

don't you need the vanishing stone though?

[ivory elbow]

I got it

[modest dawn]

I think that's further in

keep in mind

I'm not abusing the game

[ivory elbow]

Wym?

[modest dawn]

so I'm level 35

things take more time

than if I was level 60

[ivory elbow]

Right

[modest dawn]

also I'm raiding in FF14 time today

so yeah, gonna take a bit

[ivory elbow]

Never mind theb

[modest dawn]

try pinging zychronix and ask him

[ivory elbow]

Then*

[modest dawn]

since he's the creator

[ivory elbow]

@iron bone hello, any hint on defeating faust?

I am lvl 6 Lvl 3, i got item for halved magic dmg and evasion but he deals 23k dmg on kongol, 11k on dart and he attacks twice

Lvl 60*

I just got to zenebatos and bought all the ds armors and bought the solitary ring in ulara for 99k gold

[modest dawn]

if you are abusing gold

you can also come back to the black castle

a researcher there has a bunch of weapons and shit for A LOT of money

the solitary ring I think is kinda useless if your team has more than one character

[gusty pagoda]

what are the best ways to grind gold btw? Best method I know is farming 00parts

[modest dawn]

that's the best way

[gusty pagoda]

oh boi

[modest dawn]

I think grinding money is boring af

you can just use the battle rewards mod

and put money on x10

and just... idk, don't abuse it on buying the new equipment from the mod that is not supposed to be used during the main story

but on the ultimate bosses that are not implemented yet

[gusty pagoda]

well I just want to buy 3 dragon helms

[modest dawn]

I'd say that's kinda abusing it, but if you were gonna do it anyway

might as well do it with the battle rewards mod

I only have a single dragon helm, and it's the one that comes from a chest

[ivory elbow]

I'm grinding meru dragoon lvl vs regole ghost with cool boogie and solitary ring and her ds armor xd almost hit 100 cool boogie

I do 300 dmg xD

He has over 30k

Over 130 cool boogie in one battle xD i went from lvl2 to lvl 4 dragoon

[ivory elbow]

I suggest to use turbo controller for grinding to lvl7... My wrists are asking for mercy...

These 2 are the easiest to grind cuz of their sp bonus on the weapon... The others will be tedious

[ivory compass]

@iron bone Here ya go.

[celest nimbus]

can i get a link to the most updated hell mode that i can put in mods?

[iron bone]

Hell mode uses a custom build of severed chains (from october) check the pinned messages for information

[celest nimbus]

i figured it out thank yall for the help

in this mode i cannot get the "game state editor to load up either...

[iron bone]

It's disabled.

[celest nimbus]

dang lol its gonna be a rough ride lolol

[ivory elbow]

Finally I beat Faust, it took me a lot of tries, btw without enrage

Holy Ankh on Dart made it, revived 4 or 5 times

I used speed down, speed up on Dart, then power down

DART'S SPECIAL

Then Rose Storm

And Holy Ankh did the rest, a bit of luck on missing attacks

With enrage it is nearly impossible

Ring of Block is a must on Albert

Lloyds boots and ring of reversement a must on kongol

I strongly suggest this trio cuz of high Hp with Dragon's Helm, a must on all the team

[modest dawn]

Using Albert and kongol, the two characters with the lowest mdef, against the enemy with the highest magic stat, that only does magic as attacks is crazy work lol

Congrats

I probably wouldn't have use kongol personally

Something like Dart Haschel Rose, or Shana/Meru just as a tank sounds better

You don't need 9999 HP when you have triple the mdef than kongol lmao

[silk ledge]

Albert's HP clipping into Kongol's portrait triggers my OCD beyond normal levels.

[ivory elbow]

bro if u see I used ring of reversal on Kongol... he has the highest magic Def in the game because that ring swaps physical with magical defense... Rose has a good resistance vs Faust but half of Kongol's Hp, Meru with Dragoon Helm is only 6,7k Hp, Maybe Haschel would work here

[ivory elbow]

And 9k hp is only in menu... he has 15k in battle...

[modest dawn]

idk what ring of reversal is though

probably a new item that is not supposed to be bought in a normal playthrough

[ivory elbow]

yes it is a Dramod weapon u find in Black Castle

[modest dawn]

but yeah you said your kongol was taking 23k hp

I guess that was before the ring of reversal

[ivory elbow]

yes

[modest dawn]

yeah

[ivory elbow]

I grinded a bit then bought these items

[modest dawn]

so Shana/Meru maybe would have been fine with their innate magic defense

[ivory elbow]

idk bro because he does a lot of dmg

[modest dawn]

idk either

[ivory elbow]

and they got 1/3 of Kongol Hp

Kongol with 15k Hp on a powered Down Faust and Rose Storm by Albert takes 2k dmg max

so it is good

But as I said The Holy Ankh on Dart did it all

[modest dawn]

one third is not much

I mean

that's overkill

[ivory elbow]

yes

[modest dawn]

most bosses do 2/3rds of my hp

depending on the attack

and I still clear them

[ivory elbow]

I think u must be at lvl 60 to beat him bro

[modest dawn]

so doing 1/7th of your hp seems easy enough

[ivory elbow]

Good luck on grinding withouth exp x10 and a turbo controller

my wrists are asking for mercy

[modest dawn]

if it needs indeed level 60

I will put exp x10, or just ignore it

[ivory elbow]

doing over 600 additions per character to max out dlvl

[modest dawn]

so far all the bosses have been a nice challenge throughout the game

even the optional ones

[ivory elbow]

yes use gold x 10 too bro and grind in flanvel tower b4 faust

[modest dawn]

without grinding

[ivory elbow]

a single battle gives u from 3.3k gold to 6k gold

and a lot of exp

the enemies are tough too so u can use more than once the best addition

[modest dawn]

I'll see, I wanna beat the mod the "intended" way before I try to break it, if at all

[ivory elbow]

i grinded in mayfil but i think of grinding miranda haschel in flanvel

yes bro u play ur way

[modest dawn]

I'm already dragon level 6 at the start of disc 4, without much grinding

[ivory elbow]

I gave a hint on defeating Faust with the Dramod's weapons

[modest dawn]

so I don't worry about getting dragoon level 7 that much

[ivory elbow]

I think it is not beatable without them

[ivory elbow]

with everyone?

[modest dawn]

with the 4 characters I use

[ivory elbow]

it took me 10 hours of grinding yesterday

[modest dawn]

well actually

[ivory elbow]

for 5 characters

[modest dawn]

my Shana is dlvl 5, not 6

but she is getting there

[ivory elbow]

i mean i was at disc 4 in 25 hours in game until yesterday... now with 10 hours grinding at x6 speed i am over 60 hours bro, it is a lot of grinding if u want everyone maxed out

[modest dawn]

yeah

I'm at 65 hours in game

lol

[ivory elbow]

yeah but i used x10 exp and gold bro

[modest dawn]

yeah I know

[ivory elbow]

u haven't so i think a single boss battle takes a lot

and i think u don't use auto additions

[modest dawn]

yeah

and normal encounters too lol

I use autoadditions since the start of disc 3

because I was too annoyed

[ivory elbow]

nice

[modest dawn]

also having to do speed up and down all the time

now I play all the time with speed up and it's much nicer lol

[ivory elbow]

In 3 og runs i learned only Dart Albert and Kongol

so even in a og run I use Wargod to max out the others

[modest dawn]

I've done all chars (except Shana/Miranda), but years ago

[ivory elbow]

especially Rose last addition, every Haschel and last of Meru

[ivory elbow]

last year I did everyone. beating Faust for the first time

I had this game since I was 8

but I missed the 4th disc for 10 years

[modest dawn]

oh sad

[ivory elbow]

I finished the game wihtout stardust when I was 18

and then I 100% it last summer and I am 30 rn

[modest dawn]

nice nice

[ivory elbow]

Playing this port was fun

I had a blast on trying to beat Faust

I just kept a sav for beating him again with enrage and elemental bomb

with the same equip but it takes luck cuz u need Dart alive with holy ankh

[modest dawn]

oh right, you did say you disabled enrage

did you disable it before combat or inside combat?

[ivory elbow]

inside

[modest dawn]

ah yeah okay

[ivory elbow]

cuz i tried over 50 times to find the right equip

on every character

u need new dramod's items

so u have to grind at least 300k gold for them

[modest dawn]

idk, I would want to hear zychronix's take

but they didn't respond to your @ u.u

[ivory elbow]

yeaaah brooo you know what i mean

[modest dawn]

I was paying attention too because I'm interested xD

[ivory elbow]

This is my take btw, hope it helps

[modest dawn]

yeah, thanks

[ivory elbow]

Dragon's Helm, Elemental DS Armor, Lloyd's Shoes or Magical Chaussets, boost or revers Mag Def, Holy Ankh on Dart, Dramod Black Castle weapon to boost max dmg in Dragoon Form

[modest dawn]

[iron bone]

old hell mode faust which didn't have level 7 and is the exact same as the new one and also didn't have several of the busted equips was still beatable.

i don't give out my battle tips

up to the player to decide

[modest dawn]

do you need level 60 though?

or can it be beaten at a more normal level?

I think I'm currently level... 36? at the start of disc 4

maybe 37

[iron bone]

yes og hell mode had an area to drag you from level 40->60

[modest dawn]

oh, and this one doesn't?

so faust is still balanced for level 60 even without a proper area to level?

[iron bone]

new hard mode will have all final bosses adjusted for level 35-40

[modest dawn]

yeah, but I'm talking about the current version in the pins, which is the one I'm playing

[modest dawn]

?

[iron bone]

ah yes faust is still for level 60 in the new one

i forget if moon faust works

[modest dawn]

hmm, I will see if I want to bother or not then

not sure if I care about getting to level 60

even with the battle rewards mod

so far

[iron bone]

hell mode beta really only has content up to 40

[modest dawn]

your mode has been excelently balanced

some characters are stronger than others

but in general

all fights have been incredibly fun

so I hope you continue to cook this well in the future

[iron bone]

just wait for the final new version of ultimate bosses

lots of new stuff i can do with SC

[modest dawn]

you don't have an ETA, right?

[iron bone]

i am focusing on upscale project for the time being because i need to rewrite a huge chunk of dramod

[modest dawn]

yeah it's fair

[sweet wyvern]

I'm working on major engine changes right now so it's best he waits

[modest dawn]

there is no ETA in that either, right?

[sweet wyvern]

Never 😛

[modest dawn]

Yaaay

[ivory elbow]

I got an issue where Kongol suddenly in all my sav files has 33% less hp. someone knows why? it says 14k but then he has 9,7k, or it says 9.7k without dragon helm but then in battle has 6.5k?

[iron bone]

there are some equips that edit max hp but it will only display in battle

what is he equipped with

[ivory elbow]

giganto armor dragon helm lloyd's boots or magical chaussets and ring of reversal

and his axe u added in black castle

is there an explanation for every new item? like the divine dragon armor does it reduce some dmg? cuz it has no def

kongol used to have 19.5k with dragon helm and solitary ring

[iron bone]

ring of reversal edits max hp

[ivory elbow]

ahhh ok

that's fine

in the definitive version u should write a complete description for every item, hope u do that

[iron bone]

ah no i didn't even put the paragraph version in the readme

[ivory elbow]

i'm trying to give all the feedbacks i can

so u can develop at the best this wonderful port

[iron bone]

yeah that's a good idea i'll add a "long description"

[ivory elbow]

i had a blast experiencing this gameplay even with a x10

[modest dawn]

giving feedback on the readme

[iron bone]

readme is turning into an HTML document

do y'all have web browsers? I hope so.

[modest dawn]

lmao

[full bolt]

Moon Faust worked at the beginning of the beta, a few month ago

[ivory elbow]

Moon Faust works only in a specific area

I need help on defeating zieg

Any hint? I got 3 legend casques but they haven't 50 evasion like in the og, zieg does a lot of dmg and max dmg i do is 6k with dragoon kongol, others deals max 2k

[iron bone]

How did you get 3 legend casques

[tired orbit]

power of friendship

[modest dawn]

you can buy them on Lohan for like... 13500 I think?

[iron bone]

no you can't

[modest dawn]

no?

there is something in Lohan that sells for 13500 for sure

just not sure what it is

I thought it was legend casque but maybe it was something else, but there is something for that price

[iron bone]

The only legend casque should be from moon faust in the current version

[modest dawn]

then what is in the shop in Lohan that sells for 13500?

there is something

I'll check when I'm at home in a couple hours if I don't forget

[ivory elbow]

Dragon Helm

[modest dawn]

oh

then nvm

[ivory elbow]

I got 3 by beating Moon Faust 3 times but it is nerfed, not enough to beat zieg

How do I beat Zieg?

[modest dawn]

man, I'm annoyed now that the firebird didn't drop the red-eye stone

for some reason the only boss that didn't drop its stuff lol

[ivory elbow]

I need help on beating Zieg pls

[modest dawn]

what are you dying to?

is Dart with his red armor, and another character with the red-eye stone not enough?

[ivory elbow]

I mean... Dart red armor takes 4k dmg...

Meru would be a good option but she does 1k dmg and 2k with last dragoon magic

[modest dawn]

I don't understand the problem with taking one third of your hp

just use potions? healing magic?

[ivory elbow]

Yeaaah and who deals dmg?

[modest dawn]

you are taking one third of your hp per enemy turn

[ivory elbow]

They die with Legend casques 😂

[modest dawn]

you have three characters

you don't need to heal with them every single turn non stop lol

if every turn you take 1 third of your hp

you can heal once every three turns

[ivory elbow]

Bro if u haven't tried zieg yet... He's tougher than Faust in dramod

[modest dawn]

you basically have infinite healing rains

you are the one telling me

that Dart takes 4k damage

doesn't he have 12k?

[ivory elbow]

Yes

[modest dawn]

per this screenshot

[ivory elbow]

W8 bro

[modest dawn]

dart will die in three turns

so just...

[ivory elbow]

I don't use dart sorry

[modest dawn]

heal from time to time

well

you asked for tips

[ivory elbow]

He takes under 1k

[modest dawn]

[ivory elbow]

Sorry

[modest dawn]

lmao

just destroy him with dart

[ivory elbow]

No bro

Dart has no dragoon

And max dmg is 917

[modest dawn]

how much damage does he take?

[ivory elbow]

Maybe he shoukd be the healer

[modest dawn]

can't you give him back his dragoon through the dramod menu?

[ivory elbow]

Ii don't think so...

[modest dawn]

well

[ivory elbow]

Cuz the battle starts right after

[modest dawn]

then don't use Dart

Meru's special should weaken Zieg a lot

[ivory elbow]

I don't know how to use their hidden ability though

[modest dawn]

might not matter, you can open the menu during the dialogues I guess lol, idk exactly when he loses it

you press up, then right

while in battle

up will show addition menu

right will show whatever the ability of the character is

[ivory elbow]

Yes

[modest dawn]

then press X

[ivory elbow]

But

Hownto stack them

[modest dawn]

every character has its own ability

[ivory elbow]

The fact is that rose does nothing until u attack twice

The use limitnoverphlow

[modest dawn]

the readme explains how each character gets stacks

[ivory elbow]

And does 4x dmg

Oooo

[modest dawn]

rose needs to attack around 5 times

to stack her siphon

[ivory elbow]

And Haschel and Albert?

[modest dawn]

then you use it when her bar (under her portrait) is full

[ivory elbow]

Albert usrs mp every turn but does nothing...

[modest dawn]

Albert puts wind marks on the enemy

read the readme

albert activates a barrier

if he's hit while it's active

[ivory elbow]

Do u need to activate it once or every turn?

[modest dawn]

enemy gets delayed a bit

it's active until you manually stop it

[ivory elbow]

Ok burn stacks too?

[modest dawn]

you get burn stacks when using magic/dragoon additions with Dart

then you can use/expend them whenever you want

you can wait until he has max stacks

or not

but if he has max stacks the multiplier is higher

all the stacks are lost when you use his ability, and you can continue getting stacks after

[ivory elbow]

So for burn stacks i activate it once and stack it... Then I reactivate b4 an attack?

[modest dawn]

no

they will stack automatically

you activate burn stacks to spend the stacks

[ivory elbow]

Ok

[modest dawn]

haschel and rose mechanic also stack automatically

[ivory elbow]

And Meru magic state?

[modest dawn]

you need to activate it

so she gets a shield when she attacks OR she heals for more when defending

[ivory elbow]

Ok so... U suggest me to heal a lot and to deal bit by bit dmg

Kongol and albert are the best choices

And a healer

[modest dawn]

you have infinite healing rains

[ivory elbow]

Yes

But still with legend casques they got hit by a truck

Especially kongol

[modest dawn]

meru, kongol, albert would work I guess

[ivory elbow]

Low magic def

[modest dawn]

you can activate meru's special

so Zieg does less damage with fire

[ivory elbow]

That was my first take

[modest dawn]

yeah

[ivory elbow]

Ok bro

[modest dawn]

I would never use Kongol

but you had that ring of reserval or whatever going on

so go off king

[ivory elbow]

But he does a lot of physical dmg

[modest dawn]

but he dies by getting looked at lol

[ivory elbow]

Yes, zieg has more than 100k hp

[modest dawn]

when he's dead he does no damage

[ivory elbow]

I need albert and kongol/haschel but haschel max is 2k

[modest dawn]

sounds okay

[ivory elbow]

2k is not bad?

[modest dawn]

as long as he doesn't die

[ivory elbow]

That's fine... Just take a bit of turns then

[modest dawn]

it's more than kongol if he's dead lol

[ivory elbow]

Ty bro I'll try but i have to find the readme

Cuz i got a readme that only says the f1 to f12 keybinds

[modest dawn]

it should be in the mods folder

[ivory elbow]

Ahhh

Sure

[modest dawn]

can probably also check the pins here

https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/sc-dragoon-modifier/blob/main/README.md

oh

that's not the one

wait

https://github.com/Legend-of-Dragoon-Modding/sc-dragoon-modifier/blob/main/mods/dramod-readme.txt

this

[ivory elbow]

Is there a readme for the equip nerf and buffs?

Cuz legend casque has no evasione

But raise mdf per turn

I got a phantom shield too

On Miranda

[modest dawn]

sadly no

[ivory elbow]

But maybe on kongol or albert would do some

[modest dawn]

good luck lol

[ivory elbow]

Yeah

The hard thing is to find a good equip for every character

Cuz their armor is useless vs zieg

[modest dawn]

I don't know, I don't think that much, whatever gives the most def/mdef in the case of armor/head

[ivory elbow]

I was trying to understand what thr crystal set does, it seems good but it is not clear

[modest dawn]

whatver gives speed in boots

and whatever makes them not instadie in accessory

[ivory elbow]

Ok i got lloyds boots for everyone

They give 10 of everything

Even evasion and speed

[modest dawn]

sounds pretty good

[ivory elbow]

Yes

[modest dawn]

I don't think I'm buying those

[ivory elbow]

20k in black castle bro

[modest dawn]

I should be able to still beat the game lol

yeah but the game is balanced to not use that op gear

I checked yesterday

[ivory elbow]

The game was easy until disc 4 for me cuz i was already lvl 60

[modest dawn]

I'm leveling 35, and just got to disc 4, it's going fine

[ivory elbow]

But from vellweb i started to use healing items and prayers

[iron bone]

This sounds glitched.. it should only give you one copy.

[modest dawn]

I did some bit of grinding yesterday, for like 15 minutes, to get some dlvl exp on shana and haschel but that's it

[modest dawn]

I've been using them since the first boss... lol

[ivory elbow]

Even cuz i didn't reach mayfil to buy ds armors for the dragoons in vellweb

[modest dawn]

gonna be honest

you decided to bulldoze through the whole mod

[ivory elbow]

Maybe for zieg i have to try to deactivate enrage and elemental bomb, cuz i haven't tried yet

[modest dawn]

instead of interacting with its balance

you would have had less problems if you had been playing from the start the intended

[ivory elbow]

Yeah bro, it is for playing normal until lvl 40

[modest dawn]

you cannot bulldoze through it anymore

and now you can't beat any fight

[ivory elbow]

Then grind to lvl 60 b4 mayfil

In flanvel tower

[modest dawn]

because you didn't interact with the balance of the game

you were dragoon level 2 in disc 4!

[ivory elbow]

Flanvel tower gives u 6k exp without x10

[modest dawn]

I'm dlvl 6

like

[ivory elbow]

Yeah bro nut now i got all 7s

[modest dawn]

you steamrolled everything

[ivory elbow]

But*

[modest dawn]

and now everything is hard

you think taking 4k damage when you have 12k is a lot

[ivory elbow]

Still i grinded over 20hrs to get thenm all to 7

[modest dawn]

when... that's barely nothing for the general standards of the mode

[ivory elbow]

And about that, i was not aware of the mod, i didn't read anything b4 starting

I was in a "speedrun"

[modest dawn]

I'm still unsure how you ended up in disc 4 with dlvl only 2

[ivory elbow]

25 hours to disc 4

Bro i used to battle a lot less turns

I was lvl 60 in disc 3

[modest dawn]

crazy

[ivory elbow]

Yeah my goal was too see the highest dmg in the game

For me was 32k with Dart on Faust

[ivory elbow]

Defeated Zieg... Armor of Legend and Legend Casque are the best choice here... Meru with 4.5k hp takes 9k dmg from Zieg's red dragoon attack but it's fine, not on her special and he doesn't spam it, a few prayers and a few rains

Albert and Kongol main dmg

If I tried the full magical atk Meru would have done a nice dmg with blue dragoon

Without enrage btw

[ivory elbow]

Ok now I need help on Melbu Frahama 😔

He has 1 billion hp and max dmg is 22 millions with dart divine cannon, others max is 1 million from kongol... It takes over than 700 turns but he does over 10k dmg on their weak element... After a while spams monsters that have can't combat, he one shots with ice and light element, wind too and after a while attacks from 2 to 4 times in a row

I got full magic defence but still one shots, when he does ice or light aoe one shots too so idk how to do

[full bolt]

Melbu is made to be fought with a full team, not just 3 party member

So he's kind of unbeatable right now

[iron bone]

y'all aren't prepared for the ultimate boss version of melbu

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 HP

even in the old hell mode on emulator our plans with melbu was to have all 8 party members in the battle with a limited amount of revives for each character or something. haven't really thought about it since then.

we had the character swap tech implanted in dramod because that is how our no dart works

and his stats would change based on the phase....

[modest dawn]

It's gonna feel bad to not finish the game lmao

I'll see if I can move the save to normal severed chains

Probably wouldn't work though

[iron bone]

it would bork and say mods are missing and a bunch of equips and items are gone

[modest dawn]

That's not too bad as long as I can kill the final boss and watch the cutscenes I guess lmao

If not I'll go to yt I guess

[hidden wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/timon-let-me-at-em-triggered-hold-me-back-gif-13673439

[limber turret]

Does dragoon modifier change the save file? So i can use it on an emulator?

[sweet wyvern]

You can't use Severed Chains saves with an emulator

[modest dawn]

@iron bone Shana's dlvl 6 magic softlocks the game u.u

if it crashed the game at least it would force a save, but now I need to go to a previous save D:

[sweet wyvern]

Press ctrl+w to end the fight

[modest dawn]

that's... too late

but good to know for next time lol

actually, gonna taste it as soon as shana gets dlvl 6 again

thanks

it softlocked again (of course) now like this, everything moves but nothing happens

ctrl+w did nothing, except remove the turn order and stop the battle music

[sweet wyvern]

There's no way to bypass it then

[modest dawn]

yeah

maybe this bug can soon be written either in the readme or in the pins

so other people don't fall to this bug

I save very very frequently, like after encounter

so it didn't set me back, but other people could have their playthrough ruined lol

[modest dawn]

well I just did 31k damage to the kraken with Dart, that was hot lmao

if I time it right I can kill it without the last shield lol

[iron bone]

shana's level 6 is getting removed anyways for moon child obliteration beam (this is a joke)

i have not checked on the divine dragon thing but it shouldn't be possible to get in hell mode

i am not sure why my map check is not working

it needs to be redone later with the new goods code anyways

there will need to be another round of testing

[rough tree]

Did I get Divine Dragoon spirit in the wrong place?

[iron bone]

you are suppoed to get divine dragoon spirit with later stages of ultimate boss

[rough tree]

Oh lol, whoops

[iron bone]

i mean... is it working?

[rough tree]

I’ll switch it out then the next time I play

[rough tree]

Yes

[iron bone]

i might have forgot to put the hell mode check in at the dead divine dragon map

[rough tree]

I knew I didn’t get it before so I thought it was a change

It feels balanced anyway so I hope it didn’t affect balance feedback needed

[modest dawn]

zychronix, please, it's gonna take who knows how long until the next version, updating the readme/pins with these bugs so people don't get their playthroughs messed up by them is like... the minimum

[iron bone]

i thought the battles breaking thing with zieg was because of the divine dragoon thing

i did update the pin message

[modest dawn]

I appreciate it

[rough tree]

Keep in mind it’s a beta so features/bugs may change rapidly

[iron bone]

all current bugs are field notes for me when i rewrite dramod

again

[modest dawn]

the last update was months ago, and the next one is gonna take just as long, so it's good to have the issues written down so 1. people don't report the same issues over and over again during those months. 2. People don't get their playthroughs ruined when they can avoid those issues by reading them in the months it takes between updates

maybe I should just post them on github though

[iron bone]

who is github

[modest dawn]

you tell me

[iron bone]

i literally don't pay attention to it

[modest dawn]

doesn't matter

it's in the pins

[iron bone]

i wasn't the one who pinned that

😆

[modest dawn]

it's still in the pins

for people to read

so they know

[iron bone]

gone

[modest dawn]

the issues they may face while playing this beta

lol

oh my god

why are you so complicated

[rough tree]

Granted, however Zychronix is one man making it in the first place so make sure not to overwhelm him

[iron bone]

i am rewriting the entirety of dramod

[modest dawn]

that's the thing!!! I don't wanna overhwhelm, so people reporting the same issues over and over is annoying lmao

this is my whole point!!

[rough tree]

That is Discord lol

[iron bone]

me looking at github is overwhelming 😆

[modest dawn]

then don't

[iron bone]

when this hell mode branch is merged with the main branch then people can post on github

[modest dawn]

what's the problem of me reading the issues in github to know the problems so I don't mess up my playthrough???

xD

[iron bone]

because my pinned message says report it here

[modest dawn]

[sweet wyvern]

Zychronix hates organization

[rough tree]

Me too

I do one thing at a time with no regard for anything else, better or worse, might be a problem

[iron bone]

unnecessary bug reports that i would have to close anyways for my third rewrite of dramod for rb3.0

it's why i didn't want the bug reports on github for beta

[modest dawn]

unnecessary for you though

[iron bone]

blame microslop for not having branch specific issues

[modest dawn]

but the random people playing through the unnecessary beta would appreciate it

but yeah, in the pins it's fine

I hadn't noticed you already wrote it there

[rough tree]

Tough lol, Discord was clearly labeled, I think

[modest dawn]

yeah

I'm here for a reason

it doesn't matter where as long as it's somewhere

I thought my bug report was just being ignored because it will be fixed in the next version

that's all

but it's not ignored, it was written down in the message in the pins

it's cool 👍

[rough tree]

Zychronix knows what he’s doing, so everything will be fixed eventually

[modest dawn]

it's fine if some things are not fixed though

he doesn't have to fix absolutely everything

[rough tree]

I’ve watched over for like 13 years, and everything has been reasonable

[modest dawn]

as long as people know everything that they are in for once they start the mod

and the unsolved bugs for A or for B are part of that

[rough tree]

God I’m describing myself as a god, ew

[unborn flame]

my usual non-consistent asking of how this project is going/progress on it

[rough tree]

Zychronix: “I’m working. “

[iron bone]

well i am working just not on this at the moment.

[celest nimbus]

this has brought back life to the game for me peril brings fun back to the game

also the second battle with kongol is brutal due to his addition kick back btw

[unborn flame]

i heard somewhere that the Melbu fight is gonna involve the whole party?

[fallen bay]

just spent 2 hours killing feyrbrand

AMA

[keen bane]

Not sure if i post questions here or not but i think i may have run into an issue. I just hit level 16 with lavitz and all additions that i have unlocked are maxed out. But for whatever reason i cant unlock anything after rod typhoon. Correct me if im wrong but doesnt he learn it at like level 11? If anybody can help with that i would appreciate it. I would hate to have to start all over lol.

[iron bone]

addition unlock levels are different in hell mode

[rough tree]

Sabre wasn't dropped 🙁

[iron bone]

you have to use next ultimate boss button

the other one borked somehow

[nova mulch]

I should do another Solo run of the game

I've already learned that the final boss is impossible under those conditions, but I can atleast get back up to it : P

knowing full well any information I post will cause Zych to nerf more stuff

[rough tree]

Ah Allrighty, no worries

[woven wedge]

just asking cause I beat the ghosts on the ghost ship is the reduced healing part of the fight originally or something added?

[iron bone]

bug from only where soa knows where

i am rewriting dramod once all the changes are done maybe it'll go away then

😆

[woven wedge]

ah made it a lot tougher though heals missing was pretty scary at times

[full bolt]

Was it with Shana only ?

[woven wedge]

I had Shana in the team does that matter?

[fallen bay]

any idea what this crash might be? happening near barrens

in the mean time ill just turn on save anywhere until i get through xd

[iron bone]

have you used rose fine before this with her dragoon?

[fallen bay]

yeah, i did unequip the spirit bottle and protection amulet and so far ive been crashless

[iron bone]

im surprised i un-multi threaded the new floating numbers.

i will have to pay attention to that for the rewrite

[fallen bay]

ill try them again somewhere else and see if i have the same issue

[iron bone]

it's probably the protection amulet

[fallen bay]

ill do some process of elimination then

[fallen bay]

looks like sun bottle is a problem

[iron bone]

that's... odd. since it uses the retail way of displaying mp per turn

well technically not retail but it is using the unused retail code

[fallen bay]

might be anecdotal and not the true problem

so far its the one that crashes me on its own, but again that might be something missing

[modest dawn]

for me I only get the bug when using healing items with Shana. Healing items with any other character, or healing magic is fine

[sweet wyvern]

But are you running that code on the main thread?

[iron bone]

yes

[sweet wyvern]

It can't be that then, there's always a context bound to the main thread

[iron bone]

it's using the mp per turn code not the additional event i added to the main thread to display multiple numbers

if the additional numbers aren't appearing on top of the other numbers than dramod v1.3 still has threading on the numbers and i removed it after

[woven wedge]

huh makes me want to check the original game if it occurs in the fight there as well

[modest dawn]

No it doesn't

It's a bug from this mod

[woven wedge]

k was making up a whole story reason for this in my head that could be fun

[woven wedge]

can I get a location list of where each monster type drops elemental arrows so I know where to farm

[iron bone]

#1197976055923888218 message

[shrewd elbow]

I hope the items stack will be functional to hell mode. I want to grind all of additions. So more items i can stack to 1 slot

[iron bone]

It won't

Hell mode is inventory management simulator

[tired orbit]

just fish smh

[iron bone]

The base game has grinding areas

Fish is banned

100+ matk weapon

[tired orbit]

lies

fishing has no such thing

[modest dawn]

I think this is fine, and I love that some of the rewards from the ultimate fights are getting more inventory

I think it would be great if the ultimate bosses would start earlier, instead of so late into the game

like sure, still make them hard ofc, and make them so the average level to beat them is whatever you want

but would be nice if I could challenge an ultimate boss whenever and wherever in the game I am

instead of so late into disc 3

as in, I would have liked to challenge Frueguel ultimate boss a bit earlier than I did, and beat him with strategy, so I could also get the inventory expand reward earlier lol

using a mage character is kind of meh when hell mode basically requires you to have ~25 healing items (counting pots and revives), and you can barely bring enemy magic items

[iron bone]

there is two other content that i have mapped out, one of them will be available for the entire game basically so the inventory expansion rewards will move there.

speaking of i need a world map event...

[modest dawn]

that sounds incredibly hype

[woven wedge]

found a grinding method with the party unlock function have a single party member and exp share at 100% so everyone gets full exp

[iron bone]

i mean you can already sync everyone's levels with dramod dramenu to the highest level party member

[woven wedge]

did not know that

[iron bone]

The next version will have it in the regular menu screen.

[woven wedge]

cool might help with the rando if stuff is on additions everybody gets all there stuff by level 30

[fossil coyote]

Forgive the dumb question if it's in the wrong space ( I've been sifting through threads, forums, pins, etc for the past hour or so ) is it supposed to be intentional that the Fire Bird isn't dropping the Red-Eyed Stone? I've finished the Shrine of Shirley and the Silver Stone dropped so am I missing something or have I stumbled upon a bug? To clarify a bit yes this is the Hell Mode beta

[valid dust]

Is it intended to have all Dragoon Spirits from the start in Hell Mode beta?

[woven wedge]

I believe it is considering how hard it is that having early dragoons is needed just to make it through several fights

[valid dust]

I thought about that, yeah.

[iron bone]

Every boss has 100% boss drop rate unless there is an error in the console window or a conflict with another mod.

[fossil coyote]

That's concerning then. I'm not using any other mods but I didn't know (and didn't think) to check the console for an error. I did notice I recieved a very large amount of fire arrows after the fight ended and assumed it was lower in the list. Hellena visit 2 was quite hellatious without the stone.

[iron bone]

Yes

Oh

Was it more than 5?

I'll have to check tomorrow.

[fossil coyote]

I believe so yes, too many drops from one encounter?

I wish I had kept the save, I'm so sorry for that. That was daft of me.

[iron bone]

That is easy to retest

[fossil coyote]

👍

[iron bone]

Each fireball gets added to the drop list for arrows

[fossil coyote]

Oh.....

Fire bird might've used it once in that encounter (I ran it twice so the attempts are smearing in my memory) but I was intentionally destroying them to waste his turn.

[fossil coyote]

Regardless thank you for getting back with me on it. I've been enjoying the beta thoroughly and haven't ran into any replicable issues otherwise 👍

[modest dawn]

it didn't drop for me either, while everything else has dropped so far, so I think it's also a bug

[valid dust]

For Hell Mode Beta, is grinding at recovery spots encouraged or no?

[fossil coyote]

I would, mainly just making sure whatever addition you're using allows for you to hit dragoon ASAP for the " problem fights " and having attack magic items ready to go at a moment's notice.

[sweet wyvern]

As far as I know Zy has intended hell mode to not require grinding

[fossil coyote]

😅 I had to for that first Kongol fight.

[valid dust]

Hm. I do have my Encounter rate set to Intended, it's probably fine.

[fossil coyote]

Ah I was using average

Didn't know if I should touch it so I left it be.

[iron bone]

you don't really need to grind for xp, additions sure

most people are 1-3 levels above what i intended the average party to be at a certain time

[fossil coyote]

At least in my game, I blame that on spirit cloak farming XD (I gave up 😭 RNGesus and I don't see eye to eye)

[woven wedge]

lol was grinding arrows for extra cash and got like four to drop

[fossil coyote]

Doesn't help that those salamanders are so physically resistant XD makes me wish there was an early ( and difficult ) way to obtain a mage ring.

[brittle escarp]

It is just me or the game state editor doesn’t work?

I’m on the beta build for dramod.

[valid dust]

What're you trying to edit?

[brittle escarp]

Not sure yet. Just wanted to tinker with it. When I click on gamestate editor nothing happens.

[fossil coyote]

It's intended

[brittle escarp]

Gotcha. Almost done disc 1.

So far everything’s running smoothly except for some graphical glitches.

Water and lava are essentially just still images.

The difficulty spike when you get to villude volcano was crazy.

Had to farm a bit beforehand.

[valid dust]

I've been getting a lot of lag in entity-heavy submaps, but I've been circumventing that by upping game speed.

[brittle escarp]

I’m getting those hitches on my laptop. On my desktop pc not so much.

[valid dust]

I don't have a desktop.

[brittle escarp]

I feel your pain.

With the RAM and SSD prices right now… I wouldn’t recommend anyone to build one.

[valid dust]

Right?

Right when I was finally thinking I could maybe afford one, too

[brittle escarp]

You could still land a decent deal on pre builts tho!

just gotta be on the lookout

[sweet wyvern]

You should not be getting any kind of lag anywhere, SC runs at full speed even on a raspberry pi

[sweet wyvern]

Where? I'm not aware of any graphical glitches

[valid dust]

[untold zealot]

can effects/particles lag at all
i rmbr them slowing down addition hits in battle
but this mightve been fixed already

[brittle escarp]

one sec. let me boot up an old save file and send the video here.

[untold zealot]

snake cave and the water backgrounds come to mind

volcano and fire backgrounds

*at 4k res

[sweet wyvern]

I just verified that Cave and Volcano both animated properly

[untold zealot]

so good daddy

[brittle escarp]

no flowing water lol

[sweet wyvern]

@iron bone is that an issue on your branch? It's working fine on main

[untold zealot]

did you download your own gpu?

[iron bone]

what the hecking dog

i mean first time i am hearing of this

i mean won't be a problem when dramod has all the events it needs on main

😛

[sweet wyvern]

I'm working on it

[iron bone]

take your time

im literally working on upscale project right this moment

😛

[brittle escarp]

huh? o_O

like update my gpu?

yeah its updated.

[untold zealot]

thats good!

[woven wedge]

I feel unsure asking but when Hell mode is finished or fully updated it is then incorporated into regular SC right? Just don't want to come across asking for a due date.

[sweet wyvern]

It will be a mod for SC but it will run on the regular SC build

You won't need to download a special version of SC, you'll just drop it into the mods folder

[woven wedge]

okay cool looking forward to that and the insanity of running it with other mods and maybe even the rando

[woven wedge]

OoC if I have Kongol in Dragoon with enough turns can I use his counter ability and get off a bunch of Dragoon additions?

[woven wedge]

also with counter stance after the third counter it seems you're no longer in defense misht be something to look into

[iron bone]

No I think that is right you exit counter stance and lose the guard.

[woven wedge]

oh okay just wasn't sure if that was on purpose or not

[woven wedge]

so just beat Kamuy did you guys change him to be non elemental cause could've sworn he used to be dark

[rough tree]

I'm looking forward to using hard mode with Irongoon. What shenanigans will I get up to? @untold zealot

[untold zealot]

hopefully bleak hope and suffering

[modest dawn]

nope, Kamuy is non elemental

[woven wedge]

neat

[woven wedge]

third time this has happened want to do some solo grinding with Kongol win a fight and the game just freezes and stops responding

death animation refuses to complete and proceed to the victory screen

[sweet wyvern]

Is there a crash in the game log?

@woven wedge

[woven wedge]

no it just says it's trying to do enemy death animation and everything else is frozen and not responding

[DRAGOON MODIFIER] [ATTACK EVENT] [START] [PLAYER] 2009
17:39:51.302 [Hardware legend.game.scripting.ScriptManager:155] INFO : Allocating script index 13 (MonsterDeathEffect34)
17:39:51.302 [Hardware legend.game.scripting.ScriptState:217] INFO : Loading script Do nothing into index 13 (entry point 0x0)
17:39:51.304 [Hardware legend.game.combat.SEffe:577] INFO : Allocating effect manager 13 for MonsterDeathEffect34 (parent: 12) from legend.game.combat.SEffe.allocateEffectManager(SEffe.java:555)
Loaded it up had Kongol solo did an attack to finish this battle and everything stopped responding

[sweet wyvern]

Nothing further up in the logs either? I'm wondering if dramod crashed and SC nuked it

It doesn't look like it did because it's still logging things, but I'm curious

[woven wedge]

this what I'm looking in game

[sweet wyvern]

And it only happens with solo kongol?

[woven wedge]

yup

[sweet wyvern]

Not with other chars solo?

[woven wedge]

I'll load up another game and get back to you

[sweet wyvern]

Appreciate it

[woven wedge]

Rose test: ☑️
Dart test: ☑️
Albert test: ☑️
Haschel test: ☑️
Meru test: ☑️
Miranda test: ☑️
Kongol test attacking normal: ☑️
Kongol test countering: 🇽

so apparently being solo and finishing the enemy with counter stance seems to be causing this

[iron bone]

🧐

[woven wedge]

if it's not just me load up Hell mode and see if yours freezes after solo Kongol wins a fight in counter stance

[woven wedge]

so just crushed the Grand Jewel in Hell mode dragoon Miranda dealing 6000 with wind arrows was unexpected

[iron bone]

Shana is busted

[woven wedge]

also elemental arrows are a good source for some extra cash

[rough tree]

Speaking of which, I've got some feedback on her healing, Moon Light's all good, but I think Gates of Heaven should always take half of her MP, it appears too strong even with the nerf it got at the moment

[woven wedge]

gates of heaven doesn't feel too strong in my opinion then again I'm only at D level 5 it's meant to be the equivalent of a mega pheonix to save your butt when you need to revive both your character in an emergency

[iron bone]

@woven wedge is that crash consistent

[woven wedge]

no just happened out of nowhere

[iron bone]

🤷‍♂️

[woven wedge]

so got softlocked fighting polter armor had Kongol in counter stance and attack command blocked

[iron bone]

Ok I am going to put out a hotfix for that.

[woven wedge]

it was just bad luck on my part besides was going to lose that fight anyway went straight from Lloyd to polter armor need to grind some more before another attempt

[woven wedge]

so for Hell mode how do I damage Rainbow birds cause right now I do 0

[iron bone]

that shouldn't have changed from base game

you need to confuse them

[woven wedge]

oh okay didn't realize it's been a while since I fought them

[woven wedge]

feels like cheating but now with Meru at D level 5 can throw on a spiritual ring and just leave her in magic mode

[fossil coyote]

What you call cheating, I call min-maxing 🤣

[woven wedge]

lol same applies to albert with his thing since it costs 10 mp a turn and the ring regens 10% mp a turn

[brittle escarp]

What happens when I get all stardust again? I remember seeing it somewhere.

[shrewd cypress]

Zy has a custom thing for 50 Stardust? 👀

[iron bone]

you can go fight faust but the content for the beta stops at level 40~

for now™ eventually™

[brittle escarp]

Ty!

soon™

[rough tree]

My problem with it is that items can't used in Dragoon, and Dragoon is meant to be power focused, and since Shana is already massively powerful and is the only dragoon who can revive, it makes her as the most OP party member with item limits and MP recover equipment. She'd be pretty much the only support party member you always need and I think the others deserve more opportunity to be in that role.
She just has too much ultilty that goes unpunished haha

I get saved by her way too often

[modest dawn]

I don't think it really matters, when you can very easily hop off dragoon form in SC

[rough tree]

You have 1 turn where you can’t use items if you special, incoming damage can be so high it may be too late, therefor Shana can easily revive

[modest dawn]

don't use special

or use special, and immediately get off dragoon on the next turn of another character

or use special of a character with the element oppossing of the enemy, so their attacks do less damage, so it's never too late

or bring a tank, with enough hp and/or def/mdef

idk, there are so many strats that you can do that are as strong as shana's revive

it already heals less the more dead characters

besides taking one third of her mp

as you said, you can get infinite mp potions

so I don't see much difference between having two spell uses or three uses either

Shana also only survives if the attack was magical and the other two characters are weak to magic/element

if the attack is physical she would be the one folding

[rough tree]

That would still be 1 turn because all party members transform

[rough tree]

? I haven’t noticed this

[modest dawn]

it's in the readme

[rough tree]

If it’s in the readme, I haven’t noticed it in-game

[modest dawn]

yeah, but it's also kinda whatever, if in one turn after activating special, even with the extra defense from everybody's dragoons, everybody except Shana dies... then maybe you shouldn't have done special

[modest dawn]

rip

[rough tree]

Dragoon Defense is 20% when Guard is 50%, if one was dying a lot anyway in human form then it doesn’t matter but not when Shana has her revive power so often, the issue is getting it back through MP recovery too per turn too quickly, half of max MP which would usually be 5 turns for mage ring would be a better spot, I just don’t like how OP Shana’s healing spells are compared to Meru and Rose because of revives, I still need her to survive more often, that and angle robe/holy ankh is still the best just for revive chance, I’d put it at 30%

[modest dawn]

dragoon defense is 20%?

menus says 180%

[rough tree]

Or is it 40%

[rough tree]

Oh, they haven’t been updated to reflect it

[modest dawn]

pretty sure it's 80%

except for kongol

which stays at same as non dragoon

[rough tree]

It’s slightly less then guard

[modest dawn]

you can really notice you take like... almost half damage during dragoon

[rough tree]

To me, Guard was 50% reduction
Dragoon 40%

[modest dawn]

even less if the special is opposite to the magic attacks of the enemy

[modest dawn]

yeah

an increase in def of 180%

[rough tree]

Oh yea, 50% like usual

[modest dawn]

would mean they take 60% damage

there is an option to guard in dragoon at lvl 6 onwards too lol

[rough tree]

Fuck math lol, percentage is weird in the negative

[modest dawn]

if you were gonna take 100 damage

in dragoon you take 60

[rough tree]

Yes

[modest dawn]

in guard you would have taken 50

if you guard during dragoon you would take 30

Shana's "oh shit" button is powerful

[rough tree]

I only got a few with lv. 6, I haven’t tried it yet

[modest dawn]

but it's also kind of whatever, when there are so many things you can do so you don't end up in an "oh shit" moment

[rough tree]

I just hate revives, Overwatch in the Mercy meta gave me PTSD

[modest dawn]

revives are like.. a staple in jrpgs though

just don't bring Shana idk

but I always have like 5+ angel's prayers in my inventory

fwiw

I think bringing Albert with his half damage spell to be even more powerful lol

sure it uses all his mp and lasts "only" 5 turns

but just pop a mp pot

and have him use it again lol

idk, by the time everybody is dlvl 5

if you are dying that much that you need to spam Shana's revive, I feel like you are doing something wrong

but I paused the playthrough right before Zenebatos, so not sure how it goes from there lol

[primal berry]

Hello,

In the Dramod it's stated that the Hellmode starting with dragoon is optionnal but I didn't see any option in the gameplay part to unlock as the story goes forward
is there an option somewhere that allow this or not yet ?

[rough tree]

It’s in the DraMod menu that’s activated with the “C” key

[primal berry]

It only allow me to level sync and to remove the second or third slot

[rough tree]

It should be in the first Seles map you enter?

[iron bone]

weere you in the correct map? the one where dart rolls down the hill in seles

[primal berry]

No, indeed I wasn't, I will try it asap

[woven wedge]

has the legend casque as an item been removed in Hell Mode?

[iron bone]

You have to beat the special faust on the moon tv screen map (before svirage)

[woven wedge]

oh okay

[woven wedge]

Kongol is quickly become a favorite go to for my Hell mode playthrough with his massive health, high physical damage, and counter stance makes him really powerful. Plus I have Miranda and Meru to back him up with damage and heals.

btw coming up on Mayfil so is the Tree and the Moon still a one way once you're there, there's no going back?

[iron bone]

you can warp out of the moon

[woven wedge]

that's good

[woven wedge]

is warping out of the moon a general SC thing or just with Hell mode

[shrewd cypress]

SC supports warping to virtually any submap. I am not sure if Zy has a particular warping system or not, though.

[rough tree]

There should be a way on the Dragoon Modifier, details should be in the readme.txt @woven wedge

[primal berry]

Yes, I wasn't on the right part of Seles, it properly worked on the very first playable map, thanks !

[woven wedge]

so how much defense or magic defense do the Dragon shield and Angel Scarf reduce when using them?

[fossil coyote]

I haven't gotten around to fully testing it but I'm guessing on any character that you'd reasonably want to place the items on, it genuinely won't matter because it'll still be better ( most of the time ) than the alternative. Got sick of seeing a spark net 1 shot Dart XD I honestly think this is the first time I've pulled him entirely out of rotation ASAP

[woven wedge]

yeah almost beat DD ghost for some reason the damage of Heat Wave just one shots my entire team

got it down to 6000 health

[woven wedge]

every attack from DD ghost is manageable except for Heat Wave

[iron bone]

it's +20% DF/MDF essentially

[woven wedge]

killed the ghost of the Divine Dragon needed to pull of two dragoon specials but pulled it off

[iron bone]

probably the 3rd hardest fight in hell mode

[woven wedge]

yeah talked about it but Heat wave spell was it's highest damaging attack

[iron bone]

new new new hell mode will make DD Cannon it's highest damaging attack

[woven wedge]

just murdered Zackwell

was fighting DD ghost with level 43-44 characters blocking with Kongol the hits from the canon was doing 3000+ damage

[woven wedge]

went to fight Faust to see what I'm up against at level 45 so he's got 128000 health and does well over 20000 with his opening attack

[iron bone]

that's low damage numbers

[woven wedge]

well those were the numbers on Meru and Miranda

[iron bone]

should be double for meru and miranda

[woven wedge]

I've done pretty good at getting their magic defense pretty high think I got Miranda's to something over 300

[iron bone]

wait till you see dramods new overlay overrides 👀

[fossil coyote]

Waiting on the full release patiently but enthusiastically. Going to let a friend try the hard mode when it's available to try and introduce them to the game, they found the original a bit too easy to hold their attention.

[iron bone]

I will make my plans clear here.

1. I am currently working on another mod originally planned for Hell mode to be included with DraMod but it can be used as a separate standalone mod.

2. Main branch is currently missing several events I need. Also they are doing... things... that it is just best for me to wait for so I am not working on DraMod so I can just pull request what I need after without too much hassle when it is all done.

3. The near entirety of DraMod is currently borked. It needs a full rewrite. Normal, Japan, Japan Demo, and NA Demo (maybe), will be available in the next beta phase, hard and hell mode will have a few exceptions.

The three "Hard Mode" difficulties will also be available, Normal + Hard Bosses, Hard Mode, and Hard Mode + Hell Bosses. They will have some slight changes, you will have to defeat Melbu Frahma to unlock the level cap, dragoon level cap, ultimate boss, the two additional reworked areas originally available in Hell Mode at this point... and Hell Mode itself.

However Hell Mode can be auto unlocked various means without completing Hard Mode.

I have taken your feedback and will implement some of it in the new version of Hell Mode. The previously mentioned mod from #1 will get a specific Hell Mode overhaul and will be a part of the main progression.

4. The new revamp of Ultimate Boss for level 60+ characters thus completing DraMod features.

?. Compatibility and rebalancing if other mods are turned on with Hell Mode only.

[fossil coyote]

Appreciate the work that goes into it on all fronts

[woven wedge]

made it to the Moon in hell mode each of the personal bosses seems to be untouched though I only have Miranda's to go off of

[iron bone]

who

lohan coliseum and those battles are untouched

[woven wedge]

okay still looking forward to the other moon fights have another file grinding in Flanvel to fight other bosses

Imago no matter what is a pretty easy boss it's pretty much just a special monster

[iron bone]

imago was easy because i didn't make the law city zenebatos item shop available

it was one of the bosses on the watch list

[woven wedge]

the only thing I could think of was make it faster and do more damage but that reaches a point where it impacts the fun you're having

[iron bone]

there are other ways to make it more interesting but i rather not step too much on new mechanics and save it for ultimate boss

i am trying to figure out how to not do that too much with normal monsters

[hidden wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/big-water-dam-flood-gif-10489626960621043632

Open the flood gates yessssss😈

[iron bone]

I mean the stuff is very very small.

Like a monster getting a counter attack, monsters starting at half health, monsters taking two turns after X attack, some monsters guarding and gaining HP.

[hidden wraith]

I like this, I assume some monsters applies to bulk getting various characteristics?

[iron bone]

meanwhile an ultimate boss: here is 4 new things you have to worry about on top of a different boss script

[hidden wraith]

Any chance of hell mode

Then... masochist mode? 😁

[iron bone]

each area will have a special encounter you can trigger when you start a quest so it will only be applied to that

new hell mode returns to masochist mode

[hidden wraith]

Quite curious on this

[hidden wraith]

Yesssssss ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[iron bone]

removing 50% exp bonus from bosses 🧐

[hidden wraith]

Ooooof only thing there is maaaaay incentive grinding trash mobs

[iron bone]

the old ultimate boss had level caps for each zone i am highly considering it for normal story bosses

[hidden wraith]

Lowkey I been holding off for a few weeks to do my rose playthrough, waiting on the next update

https://tenor.com/view/zeek-zeek-coin-zeeks-zeek-the-cat-zeek-the-zk-cat-gif-11926906775826729116

[hidden wraith]

Waaaiiit, how does that work with items and dragoon or addition lvs?

[iron bone]

i will put it as my priority when the time is right

for now it's upscale choo choo train

[hidden wraith]

All good, appreciate the work you do man!

[iron bone]

i wouldn't cap that

if you are so bad you can't beat doel at level 14/15 unless you have level 5 dragoons i mean sure go for it

[hidden wraith]

That is a steep xp grind

But makes me wanna retest what level you get 5th dragoon vs lowest possible character lv

Oh question on doel

Did you change anything with the duration vs frequency of the shield?

[iron bone]

only the ultimate boss version on emulator has changes where i changed his script and hacked in the shield multiple times

i didn't change any script for any story bosses

but next update i will

ah the ultimate boss doel video my favourite video

[hidden wraith]

Oh @iron bone Zychronix do you have a slightly evil side of you for humor? In final fantasy games, they have either a cactus that does 9999 dmg if they are attacked, or a tiny innocent ghost with a dagger that oneshots each time, thoughts on creating a custom unique "punishment" boss minion if people meet certain conditions? Obviously make it game over 90% of people who meet X criteria... but leave that 10% chance to actually counter it... 😄

[iron bone]

[hidden wraith]

YESSSS HIM!!!!!

HE KNOWSSSS

[iron bone]

i did go on a final fantasy 13-2 sidequest the other day thanks for distracting me now 😭

[hidden wraith]

😏

I been on ff9, just got to disk 2

[iron bone]

well the punishment for playing tides with hell mode will be just a reblance of their extremly busted items and equips

[hidden wraith]

That is gonna be interesting lmao

Reminds me of destiny 2 pvp scene trying to balance guns

Not saying impossible, but each new combo revolves a delicate balance of 90% of average players vs that 10% that throws a wrench into stuff

Not knocking it sorry if I came off that way, just mentioning it from hosting scrims player creativity is fickle lmao

[iron bone]

being level 70 in disc 3 will be very sus for a hell mode play through. they get stalked by a kamuy randomly that one shots them

[hidden wraith]

I didnt even know your could go beyond lv 60???? Allmy vanilla playthroughs highest i got i think was low 40s?

[iron bone]

this version of dramod/sc allows you to go above 60 i just haven't used it yet

[hidden wraith]

Bruh

I wonder how hard shana can spam x on spell at 70...

Welp gotta take puppy out

You have a good night, look forward to the updates!!!

[iron bone]

i will try to focus on upscale project but now i will be thinking about trying to figure out how to make my ff13-2 mod work 😭 😭 😭

[modest dawn]

ff13-2 mod? what are you trying to do?

[iron bone]

im trying to bring the dlc lightning abilities to the base game so i can finish ff13-2 solo mode

but the problem is the ability file is not extracted with the unpacker and is only loaded in with ram. maybe it's in the exe? i would have to look. i could just ask the ff modding discord about it to make life easier for myself. anywho if you want to further discuss we should head over to #🗨off-topic-only

[nova mulch]

I yearn for higher level cap, let my Meru free

[iron bone]

it's technically available but new cap will be level 70.. or 99.

[nova mulch]

Why not both?

[iron bone]

you can only chose one

LEVEL 70

OR

LEVEL 99

[nova mulch]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I do like number go up

[primal berry]

Got a crash midfight, tried to look at Lavitz addition and Rod Typhoon was available before it was unlocked, before I could do anything, got a crash :

Didn't happen again yet, tho

[small root]

level 255?

[woven wedge]

got to thinking about a hell mode rando with shopsanity on how much harder it will be without item restocking

[primal berry]

Did a run in the vanilla version where I didn't buy anthything (except Kongol's dragoon)

It was pretty interesting, a bit harder, but doable when you know the game
Might be impossible in hell mode tho

[modest dawn]

I'm pretty sure this is known, the addition menu in combat doesn't work well sometimes, if you see an addition you don't have yet, don't go over it or you will crash

[iron bone]

number too high doesn't make sense.
if level 70 cap you get to 70 slowly through ultimate boss
if level 99
60-70 zone 1
70-80 zone 2
80-90 zone 3
90-99 zone 4

[hidden wraith]

My lord, lv 60 fighting feyrbrand on first disk 😂

[woven wedge]

I'm envisioning this as a New game plus restart is Seles at the level you beat the game with everything scaled to your level along with rewards so you can continue to get stronger

[nova mulch]

each time you beat the game, the level cap increases by 1

[woven wedge]

or Hell 2,3,4 each one getting harder and harder

[nova mulch]

I'm just determined enough to play through all of that

and with my experience from hell mode, I believe, I just might make it

[small root]

This is logical. I just tend to enjoy the games that let us get that high.

[iron bone]

with dramod don't let your dreams be dreams you will be able to edit a new dataset yourself

[woven wedge]

not sure if I mentioned this but while not doing crazy damage with the health ranges of the bosses feels like I'm fighting Final Fantasy bosses X in particular

[primal berry]

Welp, that was close :

[iron bone]

is that really the picture i took for the hand

[primal berry]

Well, it seems so

Also, I noticed that Rose doesn't heal from her regular attack in dragoon, I don't know if it's a known issue (the healing (blue numbers) does appear but they doesn't do anything)

Or I may have misunderstood her gimmick

[fossil coyote]

Mis-understood gimmick

I was concerned about that color choice because of that. It's essentially a build up to do extra damage when she uses her gimmick

[primal berry]

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation

[fossil coyote]

You can get specifics in the documentation but you build it up, then pop it to get extra damage out of her magic if memory serves. Been a while since I looked it over I've been using others for a while.

[primal berry]

I read : "Rose will provide additional healing to herself while using any attack in Dragoon form and others if using Astral Drain"

That kinda mislead me

[fossil coyote]

Basically you build up the extra damage with other attacks, pop it, use astral drain and it gets buffed.

[primal berry]

I though she would heal by attacking in dragoon, wich kinda balance her low hp

[fossil coyote]

Probably more synergies than that but that's how I understood it.

[primal berry]

I will keep an eye for it then

[fossil coyote]

Worth re-reading the documentation in case I'm mis-remembering 👍

[nova mulch]

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnot even close

[nova mulch]

Hmm, do I start another hell mode run

[bitter blade]

would be neat if we could also get uncapped dragoon levels

or at least capped to a higher number

with dragoon xp threshhold remaining the same as to get to level 5

just increasing max SP and max mp

[iron bone]

well if someone wants to make a mod within dramod they can do that

[woven wedge]

any recent updates regarding Hell Mode?

[sweet wyvern]

He's waiting for me to do some major engine changes

[woven wedge]

cool

[nova mulch]

In which case, Any updates on major engine changes? (I'm just being a doof)

[iron bone]

the ETA is that there is no ETA 🙂

[bitter blade]

where can I read all the changes this makes to the game?

[iron bone]

check the pinned messages

[bitter blade]

Would you be willing to release a dragoons uncapped mod that allows for uncapped dragoon levels as a standalone mod? I think it would be super cool just to have that in base game of having a higher SP capacity and max mana.

Since I see that already being part of Dramod here it would be nice to have that as a standalone feature in a mod

[iron bone]

Someone else can do that with dramod or when the feature is added to main.

[bitter blade]

How would I do that with dramod

[fossil coyote]

Might I suggest exploring the mod files a bit?

If I'm not off base, and someone correct / stop me if I am, there's already examples of how this works in hell mode readable in the CSV exp tables and dragoon stats unless I'm mistaken?

[iron bone]

Yep that is it. Unfortunately dramod is currently locked to hell mode dataset but once it is out of beta you can create your own difficulties easily with the increased dragoon levels.

[fossil coyote]

Rockin'

[bitter blade]

Im not a programmer but I'll do my best.

[fossil coyote]

You won't need to be I don't believe, they're pretty self explanatory. I believe that's the intention with a lot of these systems like the recent additions stuff.

Which I cannot express enough how appreciated that is.

[bitter blade]

For sure I'll take a look then and see if I can keep everything retail and just add uncapped dragoon levels

I'd love to take on the super bosses eventually in retail as well but 400k hp is a bit much lol. I'd love to edit those down a tad too to make them a bit more doable for retail without lots of grind

[fossil coyote]

Well keep Zychronix's response in mind. It is still in beta so I'd be careful about just jumping in at the deep end. Especially since hoping for them to be providing support for someone who has edited the files is a big assumption seeing as it's not even out of beta yet.

[bitter blade]

fair hoping for the future then

there is a lot of cool stuff here