#Motorsports

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pale bridge
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You act like one

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You're the entitled one here

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I am the one who wants things to actuallh have meaning

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Somebody who speaks sense, god bless you

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the point is the sport

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The challenge

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The achievements which can trickle down to other successes

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Rather than just buying your way in, and setting your base somewhere because apparently engineers from your own counry and people are just a disappointment

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And that's why it needs to change

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It's only stayed this way because of the point of the sport is lost

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I just hope to be able to live long enough to be able to make an example, maybe not in F1 tier, but somewhere else where I can show what I mean

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Like an iranian team, consisting majorly of Iranian engineers, set in Iran, gathering iranian talent and having the entire country's support

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You're not going to win

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because you have to work for that win

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train the staff, make the facilities

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The point of the sport is to lose until you win

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And that win will be far sweeter than any

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At least to start

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And if you ask me, F1 needs to become less specialized

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More open

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like WEC

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Because it just closes new potential

glacial pine
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Deregulate F1 Hybrid Systems!!!

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Hell yeah
I am all for even vouching to make Formula E even bigger just so it can prove Formula 1's systsm wrong

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That success only means when you truly achieve it

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Not when you buy into it

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It's the fault of modern managemnet

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expecting immediate results

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Hell, I appreciate brands like Toyota's failure in F1
Because they didn't try to follow the norm, they tried to achieve it their way

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Their failure has a 100 time more meaning than Brawn's success

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# pale bridge America and South Korea are thousands of miles away and they've hardly got anyon...

??? They have engineers, wind tunnels, and manufacturing expertise in America and South Korea. Gazoo is at the Nurburgring to market the i30N and N as it's own thing. South Korean education PUSH into the big state related businesses is MASSIVE. If Hyundai decides they want an F1 team for 2035 they can help educate a generation of people into that position.
And the USA is fucking huge and car obsessed surely SOMEONE could figure it out.

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F1 isn't rocket science

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If they can make engineers be able to make warships

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They can make some F1 engineers

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Especually with their backing

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It was Honda's

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And it wasn't even Honda's

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it was BAR's

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And it wasn't even BAR's, it was Tyrell's

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Their success belongs to the original team, not to themselves

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I am just being factual

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Regardless, I know what I am saying will never get anywhere

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At this point, F1 is all about getting immediate results

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Wasting more money on making funny driver tiktoks than training your own country's engineers

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It's about winning at all costs, not winning properly

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# severe spindle I am just being factual

You can trace a team's roots back but that doesn't they won as their origins, you can trace Red Bull back to Stewart, but they never won as Stewart, they won as Red Bull

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Red Bull didn't make the team

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That team existed purely because Jackie Stewart made it one day

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Whatever success Red Bull achieves now, it's only because Stewarts existed for their success to be there to begin with

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Red Bull's efforts are only because that original team was already there

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Instead of Red Bull bothering to make their own team

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Set in Austria

glacial pine
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I'll always forgive red bull

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Mean while, I can associate Toro Rosso's wins with Minardi, because the team never actually changed

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it's the same team, still the same methods

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Same location even, away from UK

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They're not a car company with years or decades of manufacturing expertise with transferrable skills.

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Their retarded ways are only thanks to Red Bull now

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And actually utilize their country's talent

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You can't expect every team registered outside of the UK to have operations solely in their home country

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I don't expect "sole"

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but I expect majority to be in their own country

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Because that way, they can aattract their own country's talents

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That's the point of a sport

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Maybe a facility in UK for the sake of ease of access with communications and such

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But that's it

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Mercedes who was in F1

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It seems sensible

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Haas should attract its own talent

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its own various NASCAR drivers into F1

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Cause other people need that job more

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And don't worry

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Some other UK based team could continue Honda

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Maybe BRawn scould have continued on its own

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It's just companies never understanding the point of a sport

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Especially the point of Motorsports

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glacial pine
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F1 is not about jobs creation. That is not the purpose of Motorsport

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F1 is about job creation for the country

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glacial pine
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Nah, that's what national infrastructure projects are for

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Regardless

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I don't see the point of a F1 team doing everything the same as others

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Without contributing to its own country

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Your people are failing Alpine

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Your engineers

glacial pine
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Renault developed a couple of world championship winning engines in that factory

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Nobody french is even left at that HQ

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This conversation with you is over

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I'd say it would be more embarrassing for a company deeply associated with a nation and it's engineering prowess to just... Ignore their own people and buy someone else's British team. Like Mercedes. Or Cadillac

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It's a crying shame

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# glacial pine I'd say it would be more embarrassing for a company deeply associated with a nat...

Hardly anyone will want to move to Germany or America especially they've got families, moving country for work is more than just moving to that country, if they've got children, that's them moving schools and having to learn a new language, having to leave their friends behind, and these engineers' other halves will have to leave their current jobs and find new ones because of their partners having to move for work, why do you think there are hardly any engineers born outside of Italy, France, Germany or Switzerland working for Ferrari or Sauber/Audi

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You're just ridiculous

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German people already live there, why not attempt to train some of them up huh?

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glacial pine
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There's nothing about being from this silly island itself that makes you a better F1 engineer. It'd just be nice if literally any team was to literally try AT ALL to make it happen somewhere else.

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Like sure, Cadillac wouldn't have the same chance of immediate success, or maximisation of F1 team investor shareholder value, but shouldn't the biggest and most American of big American carmakers at least ATTEMPT to bring an American team to the most watched annual global sport?

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If it flops, it'll be "americans suck" either way. But if it succeeds they can say that American engineering made this happen in America. And American (the only people who can even buy Cadillacs) eat that shit upppp!!!!

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There's plenty of UK based teams to.go around

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They can.all stay

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But others which have automotive backing.should try on their own

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I am going to bed hoping Hyundai buy the mclaren entry to formula e and leaves behind the nissan powertrain to develop their own stuff at home in Korea. That would be cool.

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Or Ferrari because that would be HILARIOUS

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Hehehe

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Man, Ferrari in Formula E

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That'd be kind of epic ngl

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But thats why we have Maserati

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Eitherway, thank you so much tweetman

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For making the points I wanted to hear and see

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Hehe, normal for damaged cars in NASCAR but fur very well with music

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Yes Cadillac, save Yuki!

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seen

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is this a palpatine masterclass

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Gene Haas masterclass, signed by alpine

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big flavs at it again

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@granite tangle

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holy big flav

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thats how you turn alpine from one of the most hated teams to at the very least likeable lmao

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xd

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true

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Bottas did much to lift Sauber's reputation in 2024

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Alex Albon looks like such a nice frllow

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I hope he becomes a F1 commentator like Martin Brundle

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He's a lovely guy

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Could it be... Struggles with driveability of the famously hard to drive red bull?.

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Yeah definitely is a difficulty issue

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When RB is doing better, and especially Yuki when he was there, there's clearyy an issue

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Well holy crap

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It's happening

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I do wonder however

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Will Max replace Russel or Kimi?

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Because both seem like a waste to be replaced now

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That seems sensible

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I mean it'd be weird to.bring Kimi for 1 season and then boot him

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though truth or not

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let me just say

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But even still

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holy fuck the mercedes suit makes him seem like such a villain

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Russel? I don't see him finding a seat so easily

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it has aura

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Haha
Maybe that's why folks say Hamilton has aura

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They'd be 1 driver short

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If he goes to redbull, here's my speculation

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He'll be on vcarb initially with Yuki

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And Hadjar and Lawson in Red Bull

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While the thought of Max joining Mercedes to waste away there is cool

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I thought he was supposed to go to Aston

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remember

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2026 is a new car

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and george isnt just some guy that can hop on in any car

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hes tall

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the car has to fit him

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Yeah hence why He'll be in RB

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and also when you have a brand new car

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you design it with the drivers in mind

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Well yeah

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Kind of

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Uusaly they just adjust the pedals and seat height and that's it

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george in sakhir when he had to fill in for lewis

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They can't make a new tube every time a new driver comes along

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had to cut the front of his boots to fit in lewis's seat

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Well damn

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take williams for example

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the tube usually is designed so the taller of the 2 drivers can fit

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and because they have albon who is one of the tallest

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sainz can just join in without having to design a different tube

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but if it was the other way around they would have trouble

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That's true

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Nobody at Red bull is that tall

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So they'll have to design their car around him

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anyhow

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i dont trust a single verstappen rumour until he reports it

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Of course

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detelegraaf

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It'll be interesting to see what happens

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when the dutch themselves say it

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then it really is real XD

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It's a difficult language

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Here's a thing Mario

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I wish there was a F1 game with a livery editor

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Cause as it stands, it's a painfully missing feature from nearly any F1 game that I know of

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ill report when i get it for 50% off xd

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Of course

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But I wish it was something available for a game where you have all F1 cars

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Or at least most of them

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I really want every game to have a proper livery editor

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sigh I just always want the impossible

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If I could get blender working, I'd have an easier time making liveries on a texture put on a model

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I hope it means Sainz Jr at Red Bull

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Interesting thought, a return

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I doubt Sainz would want to go back. Very few drivers do

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Now, Alonso to red bull... That would be my wild guess

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they'll just ruin isack hadjars career then lindblad

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So the follow up is which current Red Bull program driver wins in formula e first?

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And remember, red bull s tested FE champ Jake Dennis in Abu Dhabi after his championship win

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Oliver Goethe

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Pepe Marti

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or Tim Tramnitz

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the timeline is going crazy with it lmao

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I wish I had such good editing skill

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Yeah kind of unfair if he's the one to get kicked out

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Given as he's carrying Mercedes hard this year

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At the moment, things seem a little shakey

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so many plans for driver transfers

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no new rookies for the next couple of seasons, but it'll be interesting to see how 2026 ends up developing

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Well this feels real

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Ah, guess that is at least some assurance

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Oooh

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Yeah right so that's what it's a reference to

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Guess I'm cleared up now

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he's getting hamiltoned lmao

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Hmm

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Cruel sport

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the goat spoke

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click to translate but TLDR erik says that italian skysports is bullshitting

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and toto has NOT made an offer yet

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Hmm, guess it was true then

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That news was being blown out of proportion

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That's just such shilling, it's unreal

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I am genuinely tired of seeing Keanu in anything

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He really isn't someone special enough to throw into every project

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But of course, my opinion on the matter doesn't matter

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no vodafone no aura

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is what ill say

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Well it's at least neat

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Also is it just me, or is Mclaren revealing a new livery every race in 2025

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I feel like every race's livery is slightly different, if not majorly like this one

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Question

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Since Electric vehicles, such as Formula E cars, don't have traditional transmissions
How do they simulate gearshifts? Or is there even a benefit to doing gearshifts in an EV? Where traditional torque curves come into play in ICE, whereas you get instantaneous torque and acceleration in Electric cars

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Or is it included, in both Formula E and now the more sport orientated EV, for the sake of driver engagement and feel?

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Torque delivery for an electric motor is VERY flat over the majority of the rpm range, so most EVs have a single speed gearbox, and no clutch.

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Though, in the first formula e generation, a lot of teams used more traditional 5 or 6 speed gearboxes, to try and absolutely maximise the efficiency

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in before secretly presented by keanu reeves

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glacial pine
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Maybe penske wants to develop their own car too

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# severe spindle Fair enough, now I understand then. It's quite interesting how they fucntiion, a...

Well FE has LOADS of spec components. They trialled adding high speed charging, and all the gear and battery for that is the same for all teams, maybe a future development option. Eventually they may remove the friction brakes from the front of the cars too, so that would be further development into regen braking.
And if they become a longer race championship opening up battery development could be huge. They don't at the moment for the safety and cost concerns

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its a big move

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but I don't think anything tops hamilton leaving mercedes for ferrari

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I hate myself

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Here's a question

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in around 2010, 3 new teams came to F1, under the premise of an upcoming cost cap being implemented

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However, that never materialized, and these teams were essentially sent to their deaths considering the lack of budget and false promises

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However, we do have a cost cap right now

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And the point of the idea of the cost cap back then was to inteoduce new teams to the sport, by the hope of getting more money

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So.. I am kind of confused
If we have a cost cap right now, why aren't FIA approving more teams who want to enter the fray?

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They only barely approved Andretti after the team got taken over by GM

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this started around i say 2021/2 probably?

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whenever the cost cap first came into play

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all in the name of making the teams more money

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But it's just foul frankly

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Most of these teams can hardly be considered franchises

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And yet they're allowed to compete

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Like why does FIA approve VCARB, don't answer I know why

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Its not the team that the liberty media and the fia want to make valuable, they couldn't really give it shit unless the names Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes, McLaren or Williams at a push
its the entry those teams hold

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yeah?

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Force India started the 2018 season, but didn't finish it

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since the team went bankrupt before spa 2018

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Wasn't Force India's situation due to some fraud associated with the team onwer

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Fair enough, continue

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Force Indias assets were all bought by Lawrence Stroll and his consortium

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but most importantly

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they couldn't get the team entry

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the team entry is what lets the fia regulations determine a teams continuation from a previous team

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Jordan > MF1 > Spyker > Force India

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Yeah

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that team lineage died before Spa 2018

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New team was setup called Racing Point, they bought entry mid season as a fresh new team, using pretty much everything they bought from racing point

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Was all a messy situation

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since then, that team went from Racing Point Force India > Racing Point > Aston Martin

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speaking of aston martin wanna know something funny

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Hmm..
So the team in essense is unrelated to the Force India lineage

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i didn't even know aston martin had already been in formula 1 until they returned

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Many teams were

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The DBR4

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but since that whole fiasco, plus the 3 teams that all joined in 2010 all going bust by the end of 2015 caused CVC at the time to start looking at "protecting" the 10 teams in the sport

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Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Caterham, Aston, Jaguar, Maserati
many were i the sport before they left

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Current teams have no relation

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It looks pretty cool

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It actually has a small windshield too

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something like 600 mill for an entry i think, which gets distributed to the 10 teams as sort of a compensation for diluting the prize pool

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Christ...

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That's just unbelievable

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So they practically make any chance of a new team entering impossible

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At this rate, I'd rather see F1 close entirely

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I don't wanna see glorified go kart go around circles if they are this agasint the very idea of the sport

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that you need to be loaded to even enter, let alone be compeititve

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But who am I kidding, F1 was always a scummy sport

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Since day 1 when old man enzo boycott the first race cause he wasn't being paid enough

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well.. at that time middle aged man enzo

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eh, 52 so maybe old man enzo

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it's just sad honestly

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I really wanna like the sport

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But not when this sort of thing happens

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We'd never see people like Alonso or Sainz or Hamilton or Leclerc or anyone else enter F1 teams under their own name and ownership

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Like we saw with practically every previous F1 team

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Ferrari, Mclaren, Stewart, Prost, etc

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Vettel RacingtheoTrol

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I feel like that should be expected

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Drivers race for existing teams, they get old
They either enter own team or buy an existing team

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And new drivers race for them

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Cycle repeats

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Its all business and money. you won't get a garagisti these days. It'll be corporations or manufacturers entering

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Sadly

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Because they can "bring value" to the sport

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McDonald's Racing

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Andretti got rejected for that reason, then they got Cadillac and GM on board but still got rejected

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it's just grown so stupidlu wasteful and expensive to do this sort of sport
To the point where doing anything is a financial loss, so they have to priortize on money making before anything else

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GM/Cadillac distance themselves from andretti and oh, look who's gonna be the 11th team

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it's just honestly so sad

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Andretti of all people should deserve to have his own team

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Yeah he's got his own team in many other motorsports

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Imagine if Andretti Racing were to debut in F1 with the black and gold

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That would be nice

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it was probably his plan

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But at this point he's depressed

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I need that Gainbridge livery man

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That looks great

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But alas, never gonna happen at this point

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My solution is simple really

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Don't have the development of a glorified kit car exceed so much money

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Hell, if you ask me, it shouldn't even cost 100K to make a F1 car

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Let alone the millions they spend

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best we can get is F1 Manager

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Such a shit game man

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I need to nab that mod at some point

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Can't make decal, can't make livery

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Can't race the cars in the actual F1 game

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Is that Bottas

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And Sargent

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bottas and Logan

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I wanna play a nice game

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Damn

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With every F1 season available

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And a livery and team maker

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It's not a big ask

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But it seemingly is

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F1 manager 24 is probably your best bet then

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or motorsport manager with mods

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I don't know what that is

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Which really shouldn't be hard

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when they aren't driveable in te game anyway

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I want to be able to make a fucking 1982 team

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oh there's a steam game i wishlisted let me see if i can find it

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2052040/Golden_Lap/

Steam
Golden Lap

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The Golden Era of open-wheel racing is about to begin. Do you have what it takes to lead an iconic team through one of the most exciting decades of motorsport history?

As the head of a team, you'll make pivotal decisions that shape the destiny of your drivers and the performance of your cars. Allocate your budget wis…

Price

$11.24

Recommendations

421

Metacritic

78

▶ Play video
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its not exactly what you want

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but its quite retro

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i would get it myself if i played pc games more

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I prbably couldn't run it anyway
but it does seem nice, relatively close to what I want

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Honestly, what I want is pretty simple

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alternatively, GT Manger looks pretty fun too

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But it doesn't exist

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And will never exist

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2457030/GT_Manager/

Steam
GT Manager

GT Manager invites you to become a racing team manager in the vibrant world of Endurance Racing!

Start your career as Team Principal of a GT4 team and take control of every aspect of its development from the factory to the garage and pitwall. Build your facilities, recruit and grow the most promising drivers and deploy winning race strategies t…

Price

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Recommendations

159

▶ Play video
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I can run alot of current indie games

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But because my system doesn't supprot DirectX 12, I cannot run them

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I'm sad and frustrated to be honest

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At my own lack of abiility to do... anything

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And Felipe Drugovich is racing in the Berlin FE double, replacing Nyck De Vries in the Mahindra

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Nyck is off for WEC

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Norman Nato, Seb Buemi, Robin Frijns, Jean-Eric Vergne and Stoffel Vandoorne are all on the WEC hypercar drivers standings, so might miss FE for Brazil. That could mean a LOT of debuts. Taylor Barnard did that last season and has been a formula E SENSATION since then.

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Guess suffice to say they're making for future

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Also, like my typical retardedness, I've come to another realisation

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The 2010 HRT Formula 1 team Hispnia F110 is probably my newest favorite F1 car in terms of looks and design

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For all the faults of Alphaturai and Visa Cashapp RB, at least they're distinct in terms of name and design

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I look at early 2010s seasons and I cannot tell the Red Bull car from the Toro Rosso car

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I keep getting confused until it is too late

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2008 and the early 60s pre aero stuff is my favourite look

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you think it could happen though

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could red bull piss verstappen off enough and would Toto drop one of his investments

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# glacial pine

guy was literally saying how he hates all the fake media shit just the other day, now look what he has to face 😭

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ironic

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Poor Max

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It's an interesting situation

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You know I've noticed an odd sentiment with F1 fans

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You win one championship: "It was a fluke"
You win multiple championships: "It's only cause of the car"
You win a race playing dirty: "What a dirty asshole"
You lose a race playing fair and clean: "What a pussy"
You don't end up winning for multiple seasons: "I know it was only because of the car"
You finally win after not winning for multiple seasons: "F1 gods were looking down on him"

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Hard to please most F1 fans it seems

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"The Michael" had alot of rivals
But sadly he was too good for any of them, bar Hakkinen, to compare

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Damon hill.........😈

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Back then he looked kind of funny next to Senna

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hehe, what a world we living in

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I think Logan for me, because of personal familrity

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this is my cope

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my guys been a ferrari boy since day 1

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Would be nice to be honest
But really speaking, it isn't unlikely either
he specalizes in this track, and the car has been getting better with every race

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Well damn

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THis sounds pretty good

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Could this mean a win for Alonso? probably not

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But hopefully a podium

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Problem is that the mclarens are just too good

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Stroll win incoming

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That would be the best surprise of 2025

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hell, why not

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@pale tinsel say youre toto wolff, do you, sign max verstappen and lend Kimi lets say to williams for 1 season. You let max and george kill each other for 1 season and decide if youre gonna bring up kimi for the next season

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if I'm Toto Wolff, in that position eh.
My heart says let chaos reign, Max and George team up for one season, whoever finishes behind in the championship gets dropped and Kimi comes back after a loan at Alpine/Williams or even pay a lot to Cadillac to have him there.
Business mind sense though says that we've invested loads into developing George and Kimi, why waste that investment getting Max in. Drop George Russell for Max, you run the risk of having Kimi being dominated by Max, and wastes all that time developing George for the seat. Drop Kimi for Max, you highly risk crushing his confidence and slowing his development massively, as well as wasting that money and time on driver development

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Honestly, if it was bottas in that seat and not kimi, and kimi was somewhere like Williams this year then yeah it would be way easier a decision

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though, can you really risk losing max verstappen for the second or third time

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toto didnt have seats then, and he doesnt now

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what does he do

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Toto needs to stop having a hard on for Max Verstappen

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he's been cucked, move on

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Let Verstappen join Aston Martin or something

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Alonso and Verstappen in a car designed by Adrian Newey powered by a Honda engine

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And red bull need to slap pierre wache and tell him to fix the car

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bernie literally saying lewis won in the plumber era 😭

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Who let Bernie pipe up

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he needs to go join max mosely

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All this mercedes orange marketing could not be better timed eh

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ive seen ENOUGH

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make him FIA president

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Since Formula E is lighter than F1, maybe ditch the heavy cumbersome ICE and Gearbox and fuel tank nonsense.
He's a mad lad, lance

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mad?

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the pinnacle of f1 was the era where there was the least strategy and management of resources involved

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When the peak of the science and engineering project of an F1 car was more aero more power more grip

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F1 is, always has been, and should always be, the most difficult and complex science and engineering project in Motorsport. Otherwise what is the POINT

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Perhaps F1 should just become Formula E Pro

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or

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they should make regulations under which

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cars can actually race full out for more than 10 laps before burning out

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Yes they should.

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But F1 has never not been full of management of SOMETHING

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well if im going to be devil's advocate here

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before hybrid units, and especially before the refuelling ban, there was MORE racing less management

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They spent entire races managing fuel usage

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It was ludicrous

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And pit stopping 5 times to refuel a race car that has to drive for An Hour was pathetic

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I'll also play devil's advocate
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Than pure racing pace

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F1 these days is a tire management game and that is a shame because the aero formula has proven itself pretty decent at keeping the cars together

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Honestly speaking
I think the current regulations are pretty good

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Good number of pitstops

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Generally higher pace racing

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Just make the cars a bit smaller
A bit more unpredictable handling

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And preferably a V8 PHEV than the current V6 PHEVs

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Whether tire, fuel, mechanical failures

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I don't know and I won't pretend I know what's best for the future of Formula 1

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We'll just have to see if the 2026 regs give us what we want

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Make it management of a difficult to deliver power train with a black box and weight limit for the hybrid motor, a spec battery (with a respectable output for the 21st century) but more importantly give them tires that don't have a performance drop off during a single qualifying lap

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its artificially good

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when you have to enforce "must" type of rules it means you have failed in making regulations that wouldnt allow that in the first place, or where it wouldnt be the faster option

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I think contracting pirelli to build tires that can't take more than 3 or 4 laps of action is more of an issue than anything else m

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But they can't take pitstops out entirely

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But yeah

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I don't know

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They did it before

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I mean, it wasn't good for the racing but they did it

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Plus it just makes it push the cars too far

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THE DELUSION HAS STARTED

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I want to believe

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It makes me happy when Lewis wins at Silverstone. Like Leclerc in Monaco, Verstappen at Zandvoort...

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Welcome back F14-T

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Cause that sort of reaction time from Max is unheard of

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The most amazing part is the fact that both of the RB cars have come top 10
While none of the Red Bulls can be seen
What have RB's engineers been doing, they're about to replace the dynasty altogether

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Who? Also are people really out there treating F1 drivers like """their""" football team???

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Damn Ferrari is looking pretty decent

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I wish I could find that video where Alonso and Stroll were playing a game on their phone
Answering some dares

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I found it heh

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I;m actually just realizing something

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Why was Antonelli brought into a top team in his first season

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That's just gonna create heavy burden and expectation

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Realistically he should have gone either to Williams or Aston Martin, the junior teams for Mercedes

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Sainz should have gone to mercedes

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and Antonelli to williams

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That might be
But there was a major difference in the fact that Verstappen was borught into the junior RB team first, and eventually promoted to Red Bull

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well for what you said even though toto and james im sure have a very good relationship, williams is not SO tied to mercedes as it was when claire williams was around (george russel situation)

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And Williams and Aston, no?

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not really they just supply them

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Actually williams might be junior team for Mclaren
While aston is the junior team for Mercedes

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and aston is moving to honda

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so thats one dead end there

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Yeah but only next season

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williams sure but less so now

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different ownership than what toto did with russel

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All and all, I feel like Toto's rushing may be causing Antonelli to lose his speed already

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Given as he's had one of the worst rookie seasons in F1

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because redbull is moving to ford next year

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But yeah I suppose that was gonna create a worry

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I suppose it's just like you said

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While Mercedes doens't have any real connection, bar engine supply

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and so he neither wants to miss out like he did on Verstappen, nor does he want another Russel controversy

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also if im not mistaken vowles had already made his big signing (sainz) before mercedes announced antonelli

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you cant just call james and say hey one of your drivers needs to get the boot we need kimi on the seat

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Yeah there definitely weren't talks then

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kimi got the merc seat because it was vacant, i guess

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with bottas as the backup plan

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imho it was very smart

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It definitely seemed smart, at least given the situation

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But I feel like it's not worked out as well as they had hoped

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with Antonelli really struggling with the car this season

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Whether it's contacts, or mechanical failures

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He clearly has pace

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can you spot what's wrong

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He's not behind a Twingo

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Idk I give up

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OH IT'S OSCAR

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Didn't even think to look at the helmet

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Haha

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Has anyone else spotted that F1s new, slower to open than ever before, apparently is just the formula e app but rearranged to make the event schedule smaller?

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Hehe, would make sense if so

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Heh

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I swear Alex Dunne hate is so forced, like people actually think they could do "a better job" than him

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waiting room for sugared to start celebrating

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i know hes coming here

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XD

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He made it out of the gravel omg

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What a moron! Goodbye, good riddance for him, not worth "upgrading" to him

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I swear its annoying listening to the commentators predicting yuki out in q1

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even after colapinto going out

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Yuki's quite unfortunate

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He never could have predicted this situaton after being "promoted" to Red Bull

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Oh Ferrari

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I hope Ferrari and Lewis can do well

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I noticed something looking through the many Japanese drivers in Formula 1

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It feels like almost all of them were either lacking in skill, or were extremely unlucky

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I've learned something interesting as of recent

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Apparently, back in 1993, for Sega's official F1 arcade game, they partnered up with Mclaren and they gave them a little Sonic trophy, to senna himself

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THat trophy is still kept at Mclaren's F1 HQ

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And the funniest part is, they're back together again?

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Sonic is again a partner of Mclaren

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Well, that makes the coincidence even cooler

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And the fact that they're parntered with them based on that reason I would assume

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yeah, 1993 European grand Prix

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at donington

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I hope this means they'll put some licensed Mclarens in the upcoming Sonic Crossworlds Kart Racer

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Like Mario Kart 8 did with mercedes-benz

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where senna passed 5 cars in one lap in what many consider the greatest opening lap ever

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guess this trophy makes that event even more memorable

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if you wanna see another cool thing

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Honda's tribute to senna

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they took telemetry from his 1989 pole lap

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Senna was lucky ngl

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placed markers along the suzuka track and made the lights map out his lap

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The current day version of Senna, being alonso, had to suffer at mclaren, whule Senna never suffered because of machinary

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None of his driving would have mattered if it wasn't at such a domiinant team

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In ways I wouldn't even think of

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Honda and Senna were really close

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Mclaren and senna were close

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Honda was just lucky to be the ccontractor of Mclaren at the time

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But indeed

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Honda and senna held close relations as well, including and not limited to the hand he had in the development of the Honda NSX

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P5 AND 6 THE DELUSION IS STILL ON

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Max was sandbagging hard

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He looked like he was understeering everywhere

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yet look at his grid position now

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Also, wait wai wait

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He won't be winning in that tractor of a Red Bull

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A Haas has qualified in P7?

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Excuse me but... what?

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Nothing about this grid makes any sense

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Ollie has a 10 place drop and he qualified P8

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Bar the mclarens and max being at the top

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Mercedes nohwere to be seen

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Sainz finally qualified higher than last

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A haas and an alpine are at the top 10

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That's such a dead catchphrase "Simply Lovely"
For someone who hates the Brits, Verstappen is using a British saying

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when did he say he hates british people

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cause its funny

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why do you always have so much rage in your soul, mate you may unironically need a break

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its just people having fun

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I relate to sugar in this aspect.. being unable to be happy or relax

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Though I am not nearly as delusional as Sugar is

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I don't undeerstand what liking or disliking a driver has to do with your own nationality

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That's just a narrow minded sports fan mindset

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By that logic, I shouldn't support anyone on the grid, because none of them are Iranian

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Only one that came close was Latifi

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And neither should Mario, because I don't think there's been a Greek F1 driver

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He can correct me if I am wrong, I am genuinely curious

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What? Mario is Greek

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A part of Italy that's now Croatian

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Yeah okay I can understand that

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You obviously are more likely to support your same nationality athlete in a sport if they're a rarity to reach such level of success

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And there never has been a dutch F1 driver of Max's tier

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But like.. I don't see how liking him is like not being allowed to like him

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I don't like Max much either

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But I don't see your point

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So i don't see what you should even be worried about

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You oversturate the sport more than it is humanly possible

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And every top team happens to have a British driver

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But being so narrow minded to only support your athletes

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That's an issue

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the only one i don't want to see do well it's Lance Stroll

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There's literally not even a single American driver or staff or team on the grid

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And they oversturate the sport? Because tey have 3 GPs?

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You for the longest time had several GPs

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if anything it's a French sport

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and after British, French drivers ans staff are the most common

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Not "yet"

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What, so we don't race in a country so its a no go?
What a pathetic way of thinking

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its like if i left the uk for Germany permanently. I'm still british at the end of the day

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The point of F1 is for it to be open to anyone

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They decide F1 is over, that's it

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They literally control the sport

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F1 right at this moment is an American sport if you want to be pedantic. Libery Media owns the commercial rights.
The F1 ruleset is set between liberty and the FIA, french organisation

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They say F1 cars should be replaced with F2 cars, their word goes

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I have no idea how you are so dense

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7 of the 10 teams based in the uk, 4 drivers and a race is the uk tie in

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so like i said before

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worldwide sport

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just not africa. yet

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They used to have a South Africa GP

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Why did they remove it

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Why am I asking, it's because of money

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fingers crossed a return to kyalami

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Honestly I don't understand why so many countries are lacking in the sport

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Why no Russian GP, or Slovakian GP, or Mexican GP

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Yeah true, now that I think about it

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Mexican is still there just

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As much as I hate turkey for like

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Every reason possible ever

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I miss Istanbul

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Oh yeah they used to have a Turkish GP

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and for slovakia, there isn't any fia grade 1 tracks so thats a no go

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Cause that’s a good fucking circuit

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Istanbull park is a good circuit

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I wish I could visit it in person,

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Istanbul park was so good

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I did visit Istanbull 2 times, but never saw the circuit

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closest shot is the grade 2 slovakia ring but having a look at that track, no chance thats getting a grade 1 certification

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I didn’t go to monza even tho I was 40 minutes away from it

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And I regret it

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So I’m sure if I ever come near another circuit I’m gonna go lmao

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That's another thing

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Greek GP

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come on it should be possible

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Will they ever complete it

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No idea

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Sounds familiar to my country's imaginary F1 circuit

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That's yet to exist

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I mean it’s more than imaginary

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ngl, slovakia ring doesn't look like it would be good for racing

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But closer to parking lot than circuit rn

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But I am no expert

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and its in the middle of nowhere

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So

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It's unfortunate F1 is all about the side show than the actual main racing event

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You can guess why the Slovakian government can’t just make it happen

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If you ask me, it should be only about the racing

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Throw the cars on Knockhill, or even Norsschleife

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If Monaco is on the grid, no excuse is possible

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Yes, but the circuits need to be able to handle all the fans attending, safety regulations and whatnot no?

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Safety can be arranged

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but the rest are kind of irrelevant

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if the track can be modified

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Well it used to be like that for some cases

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Old Hockenheim

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80% of the race in the forest

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Youu know what's funnier

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Rally events don't have any of those

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brilliant track, but the track was in the middle of nowhere so no easy access for fans, and it just lost money each time it hosted

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I guess I'll stop making my suggestions

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Cause I am proving less than ideal for FIA presidnecy with each of them

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Can't be worse than MBS

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besides, the suggestions are good

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just need to work within FIA guidelines

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really?

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I feel like that means FIA guidelines need to be changed
And also for the sport to be made cheaper to function

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We always want it to be about the racing
FIA Grade 1 status for circuits means that we'd need to consider loads of stuff

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Smaller cost caps, cars made simpler and easier, maybe make them semi-spec

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Kyalami is getting an FIA Grade 1 update

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Don’t say the word spec near tweetman

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You’ll wake up his scary side

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Oh?

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Just kidding

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Why is he scary about it

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Oh lol

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Not with current cost of everything

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And general corruption surrounding the matter

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Back then it was easier due to the fewer safety concerns and needs for attendance's accommodations, and also cars being way smaller

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you know what track was quite cool

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India

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I do wonder actually, has India ever had a GP?

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Buddh International in India hosted F1 a couple times. I really enjoyed that track

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then politics got involved

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Wow, that's a really unusual looking track compared to the current circuits

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😭😭😭

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kinda like texas

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Really? An uphil turn 1?

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that's super unusual

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Nope 👎

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T3 was steeply uphill

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became financially ruinous to host f1

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That's dumb, why would they do that

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it's clearly a sport

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Sepang was always well liked

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But that got dropped cause costs went up and sales were down

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A shame, cause it is a popular circuit

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But thank goodness we got the Miami GP and the Madring and no portimao

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Used to host F1 quite lot actually

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The thing is

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I feel like at the current rate of things, the future calender of F1 is just gonna be like 6 American GPs, Monaco, Silverstone and 6 Middle Eastern GPs

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Cause these are the only countries where they can afford to run the sport

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They should actually race at Laguna Seca, that'd be cool

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OH BUT SILVERSTONE ISN'T?!

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fuckin hell man stop being such a little downer on shit

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It's not even being a downer

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he's just striaght up stupid

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It's hard for any circuit to compare

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So what, that means no other circuit should exist on the calender?

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If it was up to Sugar, F1 would be happening purely in britian

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Sepang is a modern great, like Texas or Bahrain (after it went to night racing)

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or even Turkey

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French GP, it's been a few different circuits, both street and closed circuits
But I do need to ask, why does F1 not go to Circuit de la Sarthe?
Hockenheim Ring has straights as long as there, and Circuit de la Sarthe is technically a street circuit too

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they did once

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but on the bugatti circuit

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Yeah I saw that, and i was curious as to why

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I imagine a circuit like that with a straight as wide as that would be perfect for the F1 calender

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Tons of overtakes, DRS and ERS moments

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They'd probably empty the battery on the straight, drop like 160hp from that

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and if i remember right I don't think its actually grade 1 certified

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Doesn't mean they'd need to run the entire battery dry

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besides, you said the answer already

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street circuit

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the prep time and wind down time alone would make it unviable

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it does

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but think about it this way, monaco takes about 6 weeks to prep for the race

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now scale that up to a circuit the size of le mans

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Plus it is not like they'd need to use the straight, which is the actual road bit

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Could just go through the parts which don't have the striaght on major

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then rope in the fact that the same prep has to be done for the 24 hours

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and liberty/f1 wouldn't run the f1 race so close to the 24 hours

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I guess they'd need to keep the calendars would need to be adjusted for each other

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too many considerations for F1 to run at Le Mans

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too many things going against it i should say

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Even still, could do the Bugatti circuit if nothing else

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But I guess that doesn't have the needed accommodations

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The Bugatti circuit was always more a bike track than a car track

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for car racing it sucks

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Fair enough

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In any case, its probably more down to the ACO not wanting to deal with F1, preferring to stick with WEC and FIM for the Bugatti Circuit

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Understandable, still, I think we'd all like to see a proper French circuit be used

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was going through the list of grade 1 certified circuits

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you know what looks fun?

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Kuwait

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That does look very complex, much more so than most of the races available

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passing opportunity into t2 and t20

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I think with a circuit like that, the tires would last like 5 laps

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Especially T3 through T6

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decent bit of elevation change too

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I like that, it looks really cool
I've never seen or tried this circuit in any game

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Would be cool to try it out

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welcome to thailand

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https://youtu.be/9snwArc3MSQ?si=HfKGqDEu5IwLMmiz

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Alexander Albon Onboard | F1 Buriram/Chang International Circuit | ...

Here's another F1 onboard lap, this time going around the Buriram/Chang circuit in Thailand with Alexander Albon in his F1 2020 Red Bull challenger.
This is the only FIA Grade 1 circuit in Thailand, and I believe that it would host a fantastic race here. The layout of the track is very fun to drive with its high speed turns, and provides many ov...

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Thailland has a GP too?

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Damn

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nope, another fantasy one lol

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the circuits grade 1 so it can host an f1 race