Build Posting

[simple spruce]

So he went to another place for new chances

[exotic parcel]

Unbound takes place in 2022 and then 2024

[worldly sparrow]

I think his rep is what made Rachel wanna hook him up in the first place

Realizing hes a big game

[exotic parcel]

Oh by the way

Undercover's intro driver is the player throughout the game

There's a deleted scene of Chase considering you after seeing helicopter footage of your pursuit

and so you are then offered the undercover operation

kinda unrelated but yeah

i thought that was cool

[fervent quarry]

lmfao

[exotic parcel]

Unbound's car bios are sweet

[simple spruce]

Or because she was good friends with the person who was good with player

[simple spruce]

I wish that was in the final game

[simple spruce]

Can you show me a few car's descriptions?

Namely the Acura RSX, Mitsubishi Evo 10, BMW M3 E92, Plymouth cuda and Ferrari 458?

[simple spruce]

It's so cool that evrry car has a description

And they don't feel too far off of what we'd hear a real life person say

They're not reading off of the catalogue

Or trying to be so hardcore

[exotic parcel]

Exactly

They're utilizing their car blog well :D

[simple spruce]

Hehe, it is good

The feel is on point

It makes these characters in the universe feel like people like us

[surreal osprey]

Pretty nice

Damn cool

[exotic parcel]

OH

@simple spruce I forgot the timeline here, should I post it?

[exotic parcel]

One of Carbon's custom cars

[simple spruce]

Sure why not

It is a good one

[exotic parcel]

alrighty

I was thinking about adding a couple more small things so maybe tomorrow

[simple spruce]

There's honestly always more stuff we can add

[exotic parcel]

This happens in the 90s as explained by the Battle Machine guy

Big J

[simple spruce]

I thought he had only Invented the whole Tire stretch thing

[simple spruce]

Man there are still videos?

Prostreet has so much lore honesty

[exotic parcel]

He did but he was also one of the pioneers of just drift racing in general

Yoshi is old lmao

[simple spruce]

Hehe, older than Aki then

[exotic parcel]

I mean I imagine most of the big leagues are

[simple spruce]

Wonder if there are any more of these lore videos

[exotic parcel]

The Kings must've had a long history after all

[simple spruce]

Most certainly

[exotic parcel]

I do too, iamthemostwanted2010's videos are archived into a playlist so we haven't lost those thankfully

Honestly DustinEden's pathetic iceberg can easily be bested

[simple spruce]

Well, can't expect everyone to know everything

MW05 is generally the most well known and plottable game for most to make lore of

[exotic parcel]

I guess

[simple spruce]

And carbon's story is given to you even better

Prostreet you gotta look places to find these things

and I must say

I love big J

He is like the Underground 2 announcer guy in the video explanations but without any of the cringe

[exotic parcel]

ProStreet and Undercover are definitely the most lore rich games in the Black Box era

[simple spruce]

So hype, so excitable

Definitely

[exotic parcel]

Actually lemme make the thingy for now

[simple spruce]

But you do have to look for it

[exotic parcel]

This template will work, we can just cut off any stages leftover

[simple spruce]

You know, you think the Noise Bomb crew we see in Payback is the same guys who were part of Touge union?
I mean Noise bomb had besides Aki, a Mustang, a 180SX, a 350z and a BMW M2

I imagine the 350z is Yoshi Suzuki and the Mystang is Tony manilla

[exotic parcel]

Their names were documented actually

[simple spruce]

And the 180sx is probably the AE86 guy

[exotic parcel]

Lemme go through them

[simple spruce]

The m2 guy must be new

[simple spruce]

They don't appear in the game itself

They just appear in the introduction cutscene

[exotic parcel]

oh fuck

I just realized that actually yeah

they're not named

so they'd may as well be the original crew

[exotic parcel]

I meant prostreet lol

[simple spruce]

Yeah I know

Prostreet guys did have names

Aki Kimura
Tony Manilla
Yoshi Suzuki
The AE86 guy

[exotic parcel]

Vinnie Gaul drives the 86

[simple spruce]

thank you then

[exotic parcel]

So there are two new unnamed members

M2, and a Mustang

[simple spruce]

Two?

I imagine the Mustang is Tony

Since it was his style to drift in muscle cars

Only one which I can't see as being anyone is the m2 guy

[exotic parcel]

wait no im dumb i thought there were two lmao

[simple spruce]

The new Noise bomb crew:
Nissan Silvia S15 - Aki Kimura
Ford Mustang '15 - (maybe) Tony Manilla
Nissan 350Z - (maybe) Yoshi Suzuki
Nissan 180SX - (maybe) Vinnie Gaul
BMW M2 - Anonymous

Still so dumb that they are called Noise bomb now

So what, they just bought off the whole sponser and became them instead of being the top racers for them?

[exotic parcel]

I'd consider them still Touge Union

"Noise Bomb" was just an error in Ghost's lack of knowledge

[simple spruce]

yeah there is nothing to it

it's just an error

But it still is the canon of payback

if payback was any moddable or if that introduction cutscene wasn't pre-rendered

We could have changed their liveries

[exotic parcel]

Oh, as for the liveries, they likely just switched up their style is all

its fucking hideous but

eh

Aki basically fell off lmao

[simple spruce]

And it would have made sense too since there are already so many crews with green on their cars. Hazard company, FEM, Shift lock

They are all just green

Why wouldn't they keep their beautiful red style

it would bring some variety

[simple spruce]

Yeah while he may still have the skills, he certainly hasn't got the style to back it up

[exotic parcel]

thats a good point honestly

the fuck is with payback and the color green

must've been starved by all the sand

[simple spruce]

Still though

The Noise bomb cars are the best and most Prostreet looking cars out of the whole game

Not saying much, but it is true if you ask me

[exotic parcel]

fuck that

Hashtiger's car was alot better and more ProStreetish

It's so backwards

Why the fuck does the YouTuber have the good looking drift car while the professionals are stuck with the 7yo liveries

[simple spruce]

Yeah the crews honestly use so many repeated colors
League 73: White and pink accent
Graveyard shift: black with red accents
Shiftlock: pure green
Riot club: Teal and white with pink accents
FEM: Green with red and orange writings
Silver six: Just generic colors
Noise bomb: green and pink and black and teal
Hazard company: Mainly green with yellow
1 percent club: Terrible designs
Dimaond block: Mostly generic colors

The crew liveries in general were pretty bad

[simple spruce]

and what's shocking about this is that the fucking Youtuber in this case, being Hastiger, is the one who should get the shittier looking livery

And yeah I had forgotten about that car

[exotic parcel]

I'm actually glad Heat was at least blessed with CROWNED

[simple spruce]

It does look very prostreet-ish

[exotic parcel]

I hate that motherfucker but god dammit he makes good liveries

[simple spruce]

As much as I like to slag him off and dislike so many liveries made by him

At least he fixed the balance of the liveries in Heat

I don't know if he did the liveries for Unbound too or not

[exotic parcel]

Dude even this fucking thing which had the bare minimum

[simple spruce]

yeah it this is very minimum and it still looks better

But there definitely were bad ones too

Like the generic cars with no livery

Or even bodykit

[exotic parcel]

nahh the stock cars are fine

[simple spruce]

I still don't understand who they hired to do the liveries for Prostreet cause whoever it was he or she did a fucking fantastic job

[exotic parcel]

realistically you're bound to get people who'd rather just leave it stock in a car meet after all

[simple spruce]

Still not topped off to this day

[simple spruce]

Same as us I suppose

but eevn we change at least the color

or some minor bodyparts

there was that green Audi S8 guy

he has a bodykit and new rims and a new paint

But nothing else otherwise

he looks stock from afar

We could have had at least those

But yeah that one reddit post highlights the problem with Payback livereis

https://preview.redd.it/rvqxfq8dn1a01.jpg?auto=webp&s=0755abd630c8eb096166d66bc015637a2e65cef5

[exotic parcel]

That S15 is purple in the game but yeah

[simple spruce]

that's the S15 in the game?

It looked alot more diffeent in design

I mean I have seen the car and it does have that yellow bumper

Guess they just changed the white to purple

It works, but the white does look better

[exotic parcel]

I dunno tbh

I like both, but I think I like the purple more

[simple spruce]

The purple is a more eye catching color to be honest

So I see the appeal and why it would be changed

But teh white is more grounded which is the sort of style I prefer

[exotic parcel]

Unbound's liveries are alot brighter and more colorful

Definitely a higher league for NFS

[simple spruce]

Unbound does try and fit the comic style they intended

Yes comic, not anime lol

[unborn narwhal]

I'm kinda mad the map is so similar to heat.....like honestly, i cant find reason to go and buy this game when I've already played so much heat

[simple spruce]

though they are very colorful, in reality their style is actually not far from the sort of cars we can see in showrooms

I say showrooms, I mean the likes of SEMA

[exotic parcel]

it isnt though

Heat is half surrounded by ocean and beaches while Unbound for the most part is surrounded by mountains

Palm City has swamps and beaches and Lakeshore has plains and hills

[unborn narwhal]

give me one reason to buy unbound that stands out from heat in a really positive aspect apart from customization and graphics

[exotic parcel]

Different physics model, proper pvp, it's still getting content updates, pursuits are more interactive, multiplayer isn't as broken by the same two cars, especially with the tier system coming back

also you can disable b2d

Because Unbound is a proper grip game

and I dare say handles better than MW/Carbon since I've been playing both lately.

different cars handle differently, the physics and new nitrous system also makes for a different play style form Heat

Honestly I blame everyone who complained about Heat's cops being too hard since after that they probably decided to keep the cops nerfed in Unbound but hey at least you can actually fight back without it being a suicide mission, but as I said, pursuits are more interactive, different units do different things and can be dealt with in different ways

Anyways @simple spruce what should I add in the sky?

for the iceberg

[simple spruce]

if you can justify buying Underground 2 after having played Underground

you don't need any reason to buy Unbound after you've played Heat

[simple spruce]

hmm.. The MW05 Blacklist, "EVERYONE", Break to drift, Police departments with super fast police cars

and noob shit like that

[exotic parcel]

How's this?

[unborn narwhal]

from closed track racing to free roam and more variety of game modes, dyno and a more different progression and concept, UG to UG2 is justifiable......

Sorry for not being able to relate 😦

[simple spruce]

yessss

Absolutely perfect

Everything noob about NFS

You can even change the Critertion and Blackbox things to

"Criterion drools, Blackbox rules"

covering both ends in one part

[exotic parcel]

I started the third tier with the wraiths lol

[simple spruce]

Eyyy

hehehe

Wait, what is the Wraith

[exotic parcel]

Caleb's crew in U2

and thats exactly why it's in tier 3

[simple spruce]

I didn't know about their name actually lol

I am so surprised nobody knows or cares about Celab and his crew at all

like did no one finish UG2?

Because of how hard it is to finish the game when you're bored to death?

[exotic parcel]

pretty much yeah

[simple spruce]

Ug2's biggest weakness is the fact that it exists lol

[exotic parcel]

Stage 5 takes too long, it dilutes the story itself lol

[simple spruce]

Yeah very few people get themselves to actually wanna finish the game

[exotic parcel]

the story would be more memorable if the game wasn't all filler

[simple spruce]

Very true

the game just drag on and ooooon

and the ending isn't particularly rewarding either

[exotic parcel]

I like to bite at MW05 for doing that but U2 definitely does it worse

[simple spruce]

At least MW05 kept you sort of on your toes and interest

Given it never takes taht long to be able to unlock every blacklist racer

With UG2, you don't even have that

[exotic parcel]

thats it exactly

unlike U2, Most Wanted had bosses

[simple spruce]

You just gotta keep doing the same races and do those stupud URL tournoments

[exotic parcel]

Instead of just clearing the stages to get to the end you were grinding to race several bosses, all while the story plays out in the meantime

With U2 you just get a cutscene every once in a while

[simple spruce]

Indeed, and some sort of a story to follow

And those get rarer and rarer the more you progress

honestly if anything I'd say UG2 is the worst Blackbox game

The pacing is just awful

[exotic parcel]

The worst in terms of career yes

[simple spruce]

Especially when it was better done in Ug1

[exotic parcel]

In terms of imo handling, customization depth, and tuning, it's probably the best

[simple spruce]

maybe

[exotic parcel]

but in story and progression it is infact the worst in the entire series only second to No Limits

[simple spruce]

I'd say tuning wise

Prostreet is better

[exotic parcel]

I would say yes but there's more to U2 than ProStreet

Like more detailed Turbo and ECU tuning as well as the dyno system

[simple spruce]

Fair enough then

i never bothered at all with U2's tuning

[exotic parcel]

also when you test your tune in U2 it times you and even shows your grip

lateral grip

[simple spruce]

Very well then

it is funny then

that a street racing game has more depth to its tuning than a track racer

[simple spruce]

burger king challenge?

[exotic parcel]

Most Wanted 2005 has a hidden challenge series event called the Burger King Challenge

[simple spruce]

I do remmeber the Castrol Payback events

[simple spruce]

Well shit, that definitely went unnoticed

[exotic parcel]

You run a race in the M3 and winning the challenge unlocks junkman parts for My Cars

Yeah, like Carbon it's hidden behind a cheat code

[simple spruce]

You know how everyone loves to suck off MW05

Yet even to this day alot of its features are unknown or unused

[exotic parcel]

wait

wait wait wait

i need to get on carbon to test something

okay yeah

@simple spruce this might piss you off

MR2 in the Undercover concept art alongside other cars

[simple spruce]

What was the test?

[exotic parcel]

Ekstrak's hidden remixes

sometimes a bunch of them will play during a race, but the rarer ones only play if you AFK after starting a race

[simple spruce]

along with the Vauxhall Astra

I would have liked that to be in the game too

[exotic parcel]

and an 86 and what looks like a Celica

[simple spruce]

it seems like there were both the MRS and the MR2

And the Celica

[simple spruce]

that's interesting then

[simple spruce]

I am also surprised they all have the.. I don't remembe rthe name of taht bumper seires in the game

Speed force?

They all have their bumper for some reason

[exotic parcel]

Oh here's what I have btw

[exotic parcel]

Stag

[simple spruce]

Oh yeah, thanks

yeah their bodykit series

[exotic parcel]

Thoughts on the iceberg so far?

[simple spruce]

well shit, when in sal 3 tier I didn't know some of that

55DSL? Melody PSA?

[exotic parcel]

55DSL is a cut crew from Carbon

and Melody PSA, also from Carbon, was an unfinished PSA with Melody/Yumi

[simple spruce]

Oh yeah you did show that

I didn't rmember her actual name

[simple spruce]

Hmm, definitely new to me

the Silver 300C however is the car that let you escape when you were caught at the end of the Carbon proluge race

[exotic parcel]

Yeah, he's a weird character in NFS

one thin I'm putting in the G-Mac tier is Le Samurai

which is even more obscure than 55DSL

[simple spruce]

I didn't know about taht either

this really is proving to be a challenging list

[exotic parcel]

and Arkwright in HP, even though its a nothing burger I think it's a worthy coincidence

[simple spruce]

huh, maybe intended

[exotic parcel]

I'll also add in the NFS World Tour to fuck with people

That's the big event from Shift, so not many will know it

[simple spruce]

hehe, I actually do remmber that

since I did play Shift

Surprisingly howveer, the NFS shift that I played was persian dubbed

Not often when games get fan dubs in disk form

And I remember it always how in the intro the guy talks about the NFS series

The final racing place

Because of it being in my language

[exotic parcel]

@simple spruce

It's 4 in the morning I should be sleeping but I'm schizzing out over NFS instead again

bizarre concept art referring to this shit I found a little earlier

[simple spruce]

hehehe

yup, I get exactly what you feel

[simple spruce]

Holy shit, what the hell are these

[exotic parcel]

No idea but I would guess 1 and 3 were terrorfive related

as for 2, i have no idea what that is

and then ofc, Hot Pursuit 3 was considered

anyways imma sleep for now

if you ever decide to research anything and find some stuff or anything lemme know and ill add it after church tomorrow

Fuck I forgot to add Mazdaspeed RX-8

I’ll do it tomorrow

[viscid fjord]

1 kinda looks a bit like payback lol

You know the regera truck scene

[surreal osprey]

Nice

(Im not chonky or anyone, just bored of a username)

[simple spruce]

Alrighty then

[simple spruce]

The special dealership car?

[viscid fjord]

Who are you

[surreal osprey]

I was Simon

[exotic parcel]

What do you bunch think of the iceberg so far?

Have you seen the timeline also?

Oh what the fuck I barely realized that Klaxons was in ProStreet 💀

[surreal osprey]

@shadow karma Finally done! could have done it better but nah lol

Sadly couldnt paint the spoiler wich is a scam tf its nfs how??

[shadow karma]

THAT LOOKS SICK

[surreal osprey]

Hehe

[shadow karma]

from a fact thats selfmade is so impressive

[surreal osprey]

Thx ^^

[shadow karma]

i actually love it

if that was available in heat i would put it on my car

100%

[surreal osprey]

Sweet

Glad someone liked it

Im happy with the result tbh

If u got unbound i can share the livery

[shadow karma]

Nfs when you want to paint over a carbon spoiler

[surreal osprey]

Lmao

I didnt think it was carbon tbh lol but wished you could atleast paint it

[exotic parcel]

You haven’t been able to color spoilers since U2

[shadow karma]

sadly only play on Ps4

[exotic parcel]

Even then not carbon wings

[surreal osprey]

Sad

[shadow karma]

[surreal osprey]

Yet in forza i still can

[exotic parcel]

Yeah Forza’s vinyl editor has yet to change

[surreal osprey]

Yep it needs a big change

[fervent quarry]

it should also include mouse controls, just like need for speed world has

[exotic parcel]

Eh

[shy atlas]

Somebody should make a mod for the first two Need for Speed games adding Roberto's Camaro

[exotic parcel]

Would be cool

Roberto’s Camaro in Carbon

Oohhh I’mma do that when I get home later

[shy atlas]

I figured there could be a challenge where you race as Roberto Rivera in his prime in one of the Need for Speed games that takes place during his time as a racer

[simple spruce]

i look forward to it

[exotic parcel]

Unbound challenge series when

[simple spruce]

if criterion wants this game to not die

any more than it has already

they should make it a thing and a DLC feature

[exotic parcel]

That’s just

Wrong in many ways

[simple spruce]

Making it a feature is wrong?

[exotic parcel]

No the first bit

[simple spruce]

The game is somewhat dead to be honest

player count has been dropping

[exotic parcel]

The game might’ve had less player count than Heat but that’s just because of next gen shit

The game is on sale and numbers are climbing because of it, and Volume 3 is around the corner

[surreal osprey]

Even if you say unbound is dead its still more alive than heat

[simple spruce]

that's kind of a given at the moment

[surreal osprey]

Anyways check out my livery@simple spruce its epic

[surreal osprey]

I went back to heat and i always see like 4 people in a server

[simple spruce]

I hope so, it is always shakey with them

[surreal osprey]

The game actually feels super lonely

[simple spruce]

Heat has not aged well

[surreal osprey]

True and it didnt deserve to be treathen like that

[simple spruce]

Good job man, that looks fantastic. This is proper

[surreal osprey]

Im proud of it lol

The game has some stickers that werent available on the car

So yeah no japanese sun

[exotic parcel]

The only issue is the fandom doesnt trust nfs right now

[surreal osprey]

Thats because they only care for the older nfs

[simple spruce]

it looks really good still

[exotic parcel]

Unbound isn’t gonna die anytime soon though, it’s only the fact that Heat was pretty much discontinued before intended because of Payback

[simple spruce]

A bit hard after the things that unfolded in Heat even if the situations are not comparble

[exotic parcel]

No, that’s exactly why the fandom doesn’t trust nfs

[surreal osprey]

Still thanks for the compliment^^

[simple spruce]

I wish to be able to mke good liveries

[exotic parcel]

Heat is literally why everyone is saying Unbound won’t be updated

and they’re blaming shitty devs when the devs were already confirmed to have many updates for Heat planned

[simple spruce]

Updates which later got applied to Unbound instead

Every new car in Unbound being those updates

[surreal osprey]

This one took me atleast 3hours to make, it looks simple but its not xd

[twilit hound]

clean

[surreal osprey]

Yessir

[simple spruce]

i just hope to god that this upcoming update is huge

new races, new customization, new features, and more than one new car

it has to be huge

[surreal osprey]

And also cars

Not just 1 car but atleast 2 or 3

[simple spruce]

Vol 1 was nothing and Vol 2 was only fitting for the time of the game's release

But Vol 3 needs to be huge

[surreal osprey]

Vol 1 was just a nerf that basically did not help

If vol 3 also comes with updated cops im fucking happy

[exotic parcel]

Probably will be

It should have been out by now if it was as big as Vol.2 so I imagine it’s alot bigger

[surreal osprey]

It is also probably bigger than what heat got

[exotic parcel]

Vol.1 was launch, Vol.2 added a fuckton of new things to do (not counting mp pursuits)

[simple spruce]

it needs to be

[exotic parcel]

Not needs

It will be

[simple spruce]

It added things that they promised at the launch of the game to add

And said taht will come to the game

anything from here on out will be new water

[exotic parcel]

Criterion has already said it’ll be out when it’s ready, they’re working on good shit if it’s taking them this long

[surreal osprey]

True

[exotic parcel]

aka an indirect roadmap

[surreal osprey]

And criterion alread has experience with it

[exotic parcel]

Also no, they only mentioned cops

They never mentioned hot laps or rumble races

Nor did they mention endurance races

[surreal osprey]

Endurance races are the better races tbh

[exotic parcel]

Just let them cook, instead of bitching and moaning let them cook

[surreal osprey]

Just a point to point race but long

[exotic parcel]

Yeah endurance races are fun

[surreal osprey]

Its great since you got that for every class

[simple spruce]

there are endurance races in Unbound?

[surreal osprey]

Imagine B class endurance💀

[simple spruce]

Like the 60 lap races in Gran Turismo?

[surreal osprey]

Honestly i wouldnt mind a 30 lap races

[simple spruce]

okay then, I won't bitch

[surreal osprey]

Man now i want the goliath in nfs

That would be sick

[simple spruce]

Heat did kind of have one

I forgot its name

But there was a night time event which went through the entire map

[surreal osprey]

The sonic race or something

Ah i get it

YES the Discovery

[simple spruce]

Discovery

yeah that wa sit

And it also came in 3 parts if you didn't wanna do the full race

[surreal osprey]

But it wasnt like 1 race fully around the map it started in the middle of the city

[simple spruce]

It's close

[surreal osprey]

Fair

[exotic parcel]

Endurance races in Unbound are very long sprint races

[surreal osprey]

Yeah

[exotic parcel]

iirc they’re like 8-12 minutes long? Maybe shorter

Might be thinking of Carbon challenges..

[surreal osprey]

Around 9 minutes depends on the class

[simple spruce]

so they're all discoveries

I thought they were ciruit events with extra laps

[surreal osprey]

Nah they dont have any laps tho

Would still be a nice thing if they did

[exotic parcel]

Yeah pretty much

Different course for each tier except B which doesn’t have one

[simple spruce]

very nice then

Now I will know to definitily create a Ford GT le mans prototype

to bring the gran Turismo feels when I do endurance events

[surreal osprey]

Wished it did who else would know how much it takes to finish 1 lap💀

[exotic parcel]

I can see drift races and time trials/attacks being added before anything else tbh

Trials like Heat and attacks like 2015

Which would be great

Or better yet just an entire time attack update with new crazy kits

[simple spruce]

I just hope you wouldn't be able to cheat your way to victory like you could on Heat

[surreal osprey]

Oh right lol

[simple spruce]

heat's time trials were rather problematic due to there not being any issue in cutting

[exotic parcel]

Oh Unbound is unforgiving with checkpoints unlike Heat

If you cut a corner in Heat it slows you down

If you it a corner in Unbound you get reset entirely

[surreal osprey]

True

[exotic parcel]

So there’s that

[simple spruce]

Excellent then, the base is good

[exotic parcel]

I wanna start a hot lap challenge

Just get a bunch of people to run hotlaps together like it’s Street X

[simple spruce]

it's kinda like the challenges me and Ditto and connor did once

[exotic parcel]

😭 would be fun

[simple spruce]

I wanna do it with you too

Shame i won't be able to..

[exotic parcel]

Inb4 criterion throws a curveball and it’s a whole new co-op story for mp or some shit

[surreal osprey]

Or if the main story just connects with mp and it goes on

Would be better if the story kept going but less cringe and more matured like heat and payback

We dont talk about 2015....

[simple spruce]

hmm..

[surreal osprey]

Fatachu

Mhm

Very chonky

So hows the progress on the m4

Oh its done lol

Just scroll all the way up

Oh i didnt see it

[exotic parcel]

2015 wasn’t bad

[surreal osprey]

That is amazing

[surreal osprey]

But it was pretty cringe to me

[surreal osprey]

Thankss ^^

[exotic parcel]

Cringey yes, but the story wasn’t supposed to be dark like the other 3, Payback is the one we don’t talk about

[surreal osprey]

True

True

It was nice but eh the cringe just ruined it

I liked how they used real people like in mw2005

Just making the game a bit more alive

Yeah

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I enjoyed it alot tbh

[surreal osprey]

Then it changed to plastic

And then cartoon

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Spike could have been a great villain if they went down that route

[surreal osprey]

Same but i sometimes had to turn off volume because of it being cringe but it was a nice story

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He definitely was considered to be a villain

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Yeah

Although i hate one mission of amys

Was when you had to use the rsr

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That race is cake

[surreal osprey]

And she for some reason was…fast

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To me it isnt

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I’ve been asked so many times to be people’s blocker for that race lmao

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Good for you

Fr

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So you have an RSR, a fast S13, and another fast S13 beating the shit out of it

[surreal osprey]

That was was beatable

I might make a 3rd account for nfs heat

But not do any progress on the story

And i dont even have a second acc💀

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I went back to perfect it on Steam

Then I did (but haven’t finished yet) the F1 Black Market

[surreal osprey]

I cant play any nfs games

Since my laptop is 4gb of ram

Lmao

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All while letting myself grow onto the soundtrack

[surreal osprey]

So i cant play nfs heat

Rip

I cant play nfs 2015

I cant play unbound

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We should play Underground online

[surreal osprey]

I cant play payback

You can play ug1

But where

Up my ass?

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myabandonware

[surreal osprey]

Nah put a usb drive inside

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Underground’s abandonware

If you don’t have storage get a flash drive

[surreal osprey]

I do have storage

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Though Underground is tiny so

[surreal osprey]

Its not that big isnt it?

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Not at all

Like 4gb at most

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So this thing abandonware

Is where I can get the game

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ProStreet and older is abandonware

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Because i only played both underground on my xbox original so i never knew its size

Are you sure

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.

EA even sent out free copies and patches for the older nfs games because it’s not like they’re gonna profit from them anymore

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They did?!

Damn when😭

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Yes

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I would love to play the game again

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NFS was very involved with the community around the early-mid 2010s

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Ah

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They still are, and they always have been as a matter of fact

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Thats nice

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U2 and MW05 even have categories for community contest winners

[surreal osprey]

Damnnn

I want one

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Even Unbound is doing the showcase rn

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Nice

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Heat had the custom trailers

And I could go on

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Sick

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interesting how need for speed the run was literally going back into its roots, while keeping the customization part, but it's a shame that the customization part was kind of rushed just like the game itself, and i think it's overall better than all modern need for speed games

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Maybe not

The body kits were definitely a staple of the game and I do want them back, one of them did come back as a matter of fact

But Unbound has the best customization in the series when we talk about depth

Of course some cars don’t have anything but that’s nothing really new

People have issues with the Countach or Nismo cars not having options but then Carbon has the Murcielago LP and Camaro

[fervent quarry]

yes, that's mostly the focus, but it feels like it's trying so hard to be underground 2

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Not at all

Unbound has its own sense of style and approaches customization in a different way from U2

Underground 2 approached the details and specialties while modern NFS moreso embraces things like effects and mix-n-match

Modern NFS suffers from that though, it’s why old cars haven’t gotten any new bodykits until Unbound actually

[fervent quarry]

yeah, and midnight club 3 and LA went further on that

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With their mix and match system the models take a hell of a lot longer to work on

It’s complicated and understandably can get frustrating to work with, but they decided to keep at it

People don’t give Criterion credit for the new cars because they were planned for Heat

But chances are most of them weren’t even made yet, at most barely scanned

So after Battlefield they had to work on all of those models, with all the options they had as well, while the other teams worked on their respective parts

Then they delayed some times to polish the game some more

tbh I wouldn’t mind if they had delayed another year and just remastered MW12 for 2022 but then again I’m grateful we have it as it’s still really good, especially considering the general state of modern games

I wouldn’t say Unbound was unfinished, but moreso it’s just too old school

[surreal osprey]

Hope next time the nfs map will be in europe

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You bought the game and Multiplayer was gonna be like GTA Online, it wasn’t much but you had something to do after single player

and it would just grow over time

I doubt Unbound will last that long but it’ll at least get a very generous serving of content over the year or two, hell EA might miraculously get with the times and Unbound will last 4-5 years intead

[surreal osprey]

I hope unbound will live longer than heat tho

EA is just not about making something great all they do is complaining giving others the fault for things ea has done and all they care is MONEY

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If I got to make the moves, instead of vaulting Unbound after two years and releasing another NFS, I’d just revive Shift

Two years after Unbound’s release, have Codies or a new studio make Shift 3 while Criterion keeps Unbound going

Kinda similar to Forza’s Motorsport-Horizon flow

Except instead of the game dropping in quality and recycling garbage, it just keeps getting bigger and better with stories and cars and expansions

I think Lakeshore is a bit bland, as much as I love it

So some monuments and expansive areas could really help

Well anyways I’m just gonna keep restlessly waiting for Volume 3 for now

I can’t wait to see what Criterion has in store

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Damn right

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I don't know why more games don't do that

Their base can be great yet they just won't build up on it

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OH

OHHHH

PALM CITY GHOST BARN

There’s yet another iceberg entry

and the Eastsiderz copy cats

[simple spruce]

huh?

Oh right

The mythical barn

Which is just a normal location where the sounds of the passing cars gets echoed

I don't even know if Ghost intended it to be creepy or not

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Probably not lol

[simple spruce]

yeah I don't think either

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Black Box voids

Ghost OOL glitches

Bayview’s desert

There was another one but I don’t remember what it was

Olympic Alleyways too

OH YEAH, roads to nowhere

[simple spruce]

Bayview had desert?

[paper granite]

@simple spruce ran into another R34 rammer

unironically they had the paul walker livery

civic is pretty competitive in B but tops out pretty quickly

gonna swap back in the stock engine and see if it can go faster than it’s swapped stats

[simple spruce]

Pfft, that much says about how old of a driver he is

Meaning he is a child

[paper granite]

I think i got them to crash on the last race

[simple spruce]

Or a man child

[paper granite]

or was that the other person

idfk, there was two of the same R34

shit you not

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R34 is the kind of car that I never expected to cater so well to the rammer type racer

[simple spruce]

They're multiplying

[paper granite]

AWD, pretty weighty

very forgiving acceleration

no shit 💀

most rammer cars are the meta cars

[simple spruce]

True I suppose

The R34 being meta is strange

[paper granite]

i can make the civic competitive

but I’ll have to sacrifice top speed

[simple spruce]

It's funny cause back in prostreet

Among low tier 1 cars, it was the best thanks to having such a high top speed

It sucked on turns but it was I think the fastest tier 1 car

And definitely the fastest top speed hatchback

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It was supposed to

They never added it

[simple spruce]

Hmm, interesting

Seems ill fitting for a game which is based around street racing to be honest

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It was gonna be like an observatory or something iirc

[simple spruce]

It would have certainly been interesting

Can't believe Dustin made a video about NFS iceberg and only talked about MW05

Cause this is crazy honestly

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The creator of the iceberg was a Kuru fan tbf

[simple spruce]

So it wasn't by Dustin?

Cause he isn't that under Kuru anymore

He's become his own content creator

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He was when he made the iceberg video I believe

But yeah someone else made it

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Does MW have a Mazdaspeed SE only obtained via a hidden dealership? I don’t think so

[paper granite]

I think ProStreet had a mazdaspeed 3

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That’s different

Mazdaspeed 3 was just a regular Mazdaspeed 3 which Carbon also had anyways

[simple spruce]

That makes more sense then

Eden isn't as much of a MW05 fanboy as most youtubers tend to be

I guess he just published the video on it but not necessarily its contnet

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@simple spruce

this is the entire thing, I'm still wondering if shit can get deeper

if not, I'm gonna cut off the last 4

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need for speed the run arcade should be somewhere on the bottom of the iceberg imo

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the run?

ohhhh

Those are custom I think

But yeah I'll toss that in

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yeah

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They're just Carbon booths with The Run installed instead lol

It's super obscure so I'll put it in NL tier

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but also the way the game is made looks like it was originally planned to be released with arcade version as well

so the official ones so far are: need for speed gt, need for speed underground, need for speed carbon and finally need for speed heat takedown

[simple spruce]

It'd be bard to get deeper than that

But you've definitely done your homework

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Things I learned ages ago are slowly coming back to me

[simple spruce]

Indeed. Its all coming together

I guess if you would want

You can try and find ways that could connect Shift and world to the main series

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Nah that would have to be for another time

or rather another project

[simple spruce]

That could get even more obsecure

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Maybe but maybe not

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By the way Nico

Whats with the name and pfp?

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If I add another tier it'll because I ran out of space lol

[simple spruce]

You excited for Forza?

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Nah

It was for a joke earlier in #general

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Ahhh

Then I see

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Though I think TERRORFIVE is bedrock for NFS obscurities

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Yeah I don't even know what that is

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Basically imagine Payback if it was Undercover, but significantly darker than any other NFS game combined

[simple spruce]

So it'd essentially show us all the nasty shit that were implied to happen in both of those games

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More like

terrorism in post-9/11 New York

I dunno if they'd go as far as to show any kind of gore or anything like that

Black Box was very daring with their concepts

[simple spruce]

Oh shit..

[simple spruce]

That's definitely a way to put it

Black box did alot of that

Always pushing

I mean almost any scene that Razor was present in MW05 it showed a person who is a red flag anywhere

He seems like a rapist

Poor actor really had to act that way and I feel bad for him

Though he does fit asshole type persona real well

[simple spruce]

Or all the death and killing in Undercover

[simple spruce]

Hahaha

So I guess it was the opposite

I mean I know Nico doenst like Forza

Nobody does

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All the characters are left to the players imagination

[simple spruce]

But I was curious as to what the occasion was since he had also changed his pfp

[shy atlas]

Forza fell off after Horizon 3

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Hence why I often mention that Rose in particular is either dead or behind bars

[simple spruce]

Alot of characters are possibly dead

Rose certainly could be dead too

A shame too since she was a fun character

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One of my favorites even

[simple spruce]

I wish she would get the highlight that characters like Darius and Razor get

I mean her car is the cover of the game

But she isn't the main lady of the game

That would be the undercover agent managing your stuff

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How many confirmed deaths does NFS have?

[simple spruce]

Probably zero

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Off the top, Chau Wu and Mercer

[simple spruce]

Mercer is kinda left up to debate

And true chau wu is dead

Another dead person

Is that Chopper guy in the Sky hammer mission in Payback

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Marcus Blackwell possibly? He had a nasty crash..

[simple spruce]

True

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Lina Navarro maybe, mainly thinking important characters anyways

[simple spruce]

Weird how for a time there were so many media with the characters called "marcus"

I can name three at least

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Marcus Blackwell, Marcus Weir, and Marcus King

[simple spruce]

She, if dead, is lucky

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Those three are NFS alone

[simple spruce]

Cause the scene shown at the end definitely left alot for imagination

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Y’know what

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Marcus Shamrock from ace combat 6
Marcus from Terminator salvation

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There’s a theory

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There were just so many

And all those were around that time

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Mercer could have possibly been let go and left Palm City

Either that or he really is dead

Wait lemme rewatch the last scene

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Why Palm city?

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Just to be sure there’s no gunshots

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Oh I misread that

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Why would Mercer stay lol

[simple spruce]

There weren't

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I read Mercer as Marcus lol

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yeah no I think Mercer is dead

no gunshot but the way Torres pointed that gun seemed like she had intent to shoot

also Vice City police sirens lmao

[shy atlas]

Good, fuck that guy

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So NFS has two confirmed deaths and two possible deaths

Actually technically three confirmed deaths if you count Roberto

[simple spruce]

She probably did shoot

But not at his head or heart or anything

Like either a warning shot to scare him off so he goes away

Or shot him in his shoulder or knee to disable but not kill him

[simple spruce]

Yeah but do we count the murders or deaths

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Deaths

[simple spruce]

Then yeah that counts too

I dont know if we kill holtzman, Vesilev and Navaro at the end though

We do have a chance to wreck them

But wait I forgot holtzman and Navaro are available as roaming racers bruh

How did I forgot lol

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Ghost moment

[simple spruce]

I keep forgetting about the roaming racers

Honestly a good feature but why just in payback?

Why isn't it in Heat and Unbound

It was a good vibe in the city when you saw fellow racers going around

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Heat coulda used it

Unbound is focusing more on mp though

[simple spruce]

I mean I suppose so, not an excuse to ignore SP still

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it only has so many characters since they’re all voiced with bios and everything

[simple spruce]

Then all the more reason to find all or at least some roaming around

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I guess

[simple spruce]

It means every character is an actual character

Like the roaming racers in Payback

They aren't randomly generated cars

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Ugh I hate rhat

Payback’s crews are technically done better than Carbon’s

[simple spruce]

Mmhm

Not randomly generated

And always set in stone

They have consistency which most nfs games lacked

[simple spruce]

The strange thing is that Carbon did have roaming racers right?

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Underground, ProStreet, and Undercover had that

Carbon technically did but not really

[simple spruce]

Just hard to ever see any because there's no reason to free roam

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More like they spawn behind you to challenge you

[simple spruce]

Underground did, Prostreet definitely did, Undercover.. hmm..

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Not exactly roaming racers

Undercover has set AI

Black Box Undercover anyways

I dunno about the lesser version

[simple spruce]

So you can race them like you can race in Underground and Payback

[simple spruce]

That is true

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In U2 and Payback they actually roam

In Carbon they just spawn behind you

[simple spruce]

Goddamn, they're ghosts then lol

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I remember being like 8 and believing in that ghost Corvette thing

[simple spruce]

That was a myth of that time?

[exotic parcel]

Back then yeah

Well over a decade ago there was a myth where if you managed to sell all your cars you would get a ghostly white corvette with no lights

and it was fast as fuck

[simple spruce]

Jesus christ

That sounds definitely like a myth of back then

Among the likes of GTA SA CJ mom ghost

[simple spruce]

It wasn't true right? Is there any actual corvette with that description in the game?

At least the white bit

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WHAT THE FUCK BLACK BOX

Here I'm thinking Le Samurai is the most obscure crew in Carbon

BUT NO

SOMETHING EVEN I DIDNT KNOW: THE TRUST

THE FUCKING TRUST

[simple spruce]

What thr fuck

This is even more obsecure

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and I randomly remembered

I think either it was beta shit or a theory

but that Scorpios was supposed to be player's crew

[simple spruce]

I mean ir is possible

Considering their car is the cover of the game

And the game's intro

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Kenji's car is the cover car

[fervent quarry]

funny how i knew about that but i forgot about that

[exotic parcel]

but yes it was in the intro

Ohhhhh the intro was a theory in itself as well lmao

The teasers and intro of Carbon show what was seemingly some big ass race wayyyyy before Carbon ever happened

[fervent quarry]

and also phantoms livery in av wars

[simple spruce]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/vxM3rPZ1NR0jirOTzPpkjP5W9JwDcUm_yD-aWOocq6k/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Need_for_Speed_Carbon_Game_Cover.jpg

Sorry

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I could fit that into timeline theory in like '06 or some shit

[simple spruce]

It was definitely supposed to be the Scorpio Evo

Cause the same Dodge is still there

And the Evos use the same bodykit

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Like some big ass race, consisting of the red Evo (which doesn't make sense, the Challenger, a Gallardo, a Scorpio Evo, a DB9, and a few other cars I forgot

[simple spruce]

The trailers did do that

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OH NO IT WASNT KENJIS CAR

IT WAS THE EVO THAT WOUND UP IN THE DEMO

[exotic parcel]

there are a fuckton of these things

[simple spruce]

To be fair taking promotional shots for granted is a bit of a tricky move
Cause they're almost never intended to be taken as canon

[simple spruce]

Well shit ..

[exotic parcel]

But iirc the actual cars in the theory were the red and scorpio evos, the striped Gallardo, a red CGT, the Challenger, the blue Evo, the intro DB9, and possibly even the silver 300C might have had something to do with it

Yeah, it was only a theory at the end of the day

[simple spruce]

A shaky one even for a theory

[exotic parcel]

But they really focused on these cars in the intro, and on top of that the liveries are still in the game

They appear nowhere in-game but the liveries are there

hidden

oooooh the camaro too

demo camaro

[fervent quarry]

i remember during the development the galardo had licenseplate stuck on a diffuser

[exotic parcel]

The demo cars are the red Evo, blue Camaro, and yellow gallardo

but not the striped one

The demo gallardo was different

As for the Challenger, DB9, and striped Gallardo, those cars exist but aren't seen anywhere at all

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rip

[fervent quarry]

and also shelby with darius livery

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dammit i remembered something and lost it again..

[simple spruce]

I am sorry

But can you please direct me to the yoshi suzuki pioneers drifting video?

I found most wanted 2011 channel and the archived videos

But that video isn't there

[exotic parcel]

A few more entries now

[exotic parcel]

its not there in his channel, its just something brought up by big j

ill try and record it myself when I get the chance

[simple spruce]

Then where is ir?

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Battle Machine

[simple spruce]

I am talking about where I can find the video

The video isn't in the game itself

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there is no video

[fervent quarry]

this image is definitely from the slightly later stage development after the gallardo's licenseplate bug

[simple spruce]

Then how am I supposed to find it

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Run ProStreet and start a Battle Machine raceday

One of the things the announcer brings up is how Yoshi Suzuki brought drifting to the US in the 90s

[simple spruce]

Ooooh

I guess I gotta shuffle the announcements till I get the one I want

There is a shit load of announcements in Prostreet

And yeah there is one which I have heard about how Yoshi brought the trend of stretched tires

[fervent quarry]

lmao, someone really combined release version titles with early version titles

[simple spruce]

https://youtu.be/8qEInTnTP5I

Thankfully there is this video

[shy atlas]

This is one hell of a Mandela effect

[simple spruce]

This video is simply and utterly a life saver

The youtuber who made it

He Goes to heaven

[simple spruce]

This is quite interesting actually

[shy atlas]

Oh and the fact that Payback's original title was Hashtag doesn't surprise me at all

The title is as cringe as the game

[simple spruce]

Actually yoh say that

But Payback was gonna be a completely different game with that old name

[twilit hound]

wow

ive never seen this

[simple spruce]

A much more prostreet alike game

As shown by the one remaining old render of it before its rebranding and change

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WIeubxgQINW1JpsZI2HNtoBQuwPzX1OpHFParKpyaZU/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D98ce1262ad86ce68195604b4ce5ffcf7e72acaf8/https/preview.redd.it/coszh30o8pr01.png

[shy atlas]

ZONDA AND SEXTO

[fervent quarry]

so it's like during the development they already had the prostreet type of separate build system

[simple spruce]

Mmhm

Honestly it makes alot of sense

They had the separate car system

The different specs and sort of racing crews

The pre tuned and such

[shy atlas]

AND LFA!?!!

[simple spruce]

But because EA wanted the direction to be changed

They had to scrap the idea and only keep the developed tech

[simple spruce]

This isn't an official pic to be fair

It is a picture that was unreleased for the longest time and at least given to us

It js a concept picture

[fervent quarry]

but they had unused lfa soundfile in payback

[simple spruce]

Probably made before they learned they didn't have the rights to the brand

[simple spruce]

Really

I never knew about that actually

Like at all

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11:25 is great

Still listening for the pioneer bit tho

[simple spruce]

I am really glad someone made this video

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Me too

[simple spruce]

I will say however

If modding NFS prostreet wasn't such a pain

I would be all over it

Maybe I should start learning the game's code

To be able to make big changes

Maybe even make my own Prostreet

[simple spruce]

This game has perfected having an atmosphere

And being dynamic so it never gets boring

They comment on your cars

That's already crazy

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20:12

[simple spruce]

No other NFS does it bar the little police line which says what car you're driving

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20:12 explains how Noise Bomb was founded basically lol

[simple spruce]

Perfect then

Let's listen

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Which makes Payback's Noise Bomb even more fucking insulting tbh

AH

THERE

IT IS

21:31

He was one of the guys who sparked drifting in the USA in 1999

fixed btw

because now I have an exact year lol

[simple spruce]

Definitely

It makes no sense the thing that they did

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though I could pass the liveries almost

ALMOST

why?

old dudes trying to get with the times

though Fortune Valley just has shit taste

[simple spruce]

Mmhm

The crew hasn't changed

Bar the M2 guy

And at the very least if anything

They got liveries

More than I can say for shift lock

Whose cars are just green

[simple spruce]

It really would have been preferable if their cars still bore the Touge Union brand and the same style and everything

And honestly even the same bodykits

Do it like Heat

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Yeahhh tbh

[simple spruce]

Perfectly replicate the body mods and such from the game of origin

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Maybe they can bring in another NFS crew and take advantage of that to add more legacy kits

[simple spruce]

To be fair it makes sense for Aki to not have his RX7 given he lost it to Ryan

[simple spruce]

Mmhm

Cause why not

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I’ll just say if they did, I’d personally want either Lost Puppet or Apex Glide

[simple spruce]

They haven't lost the rights

The games are still theirs even if they aren't the people who developed them

We need more bodymods in modern NFS games anyway

Add generic wings

Add the generic bodymods

Or at least add the wide bodies from those games

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Honestly NL seems to have some crazy kits too so they could just replicate those too

[simple spruce]

I honestly see no reason why they couldn't

They can always update them even

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Complicated models still

But yes

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Hell, shift did it!

In shift the cobalt tuned up has a Stag kit