Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell

[hazy moat]

Here's a dedicated channel for the still undefeated champion for the longest (Cosmere) story name: Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell

Spoiler Policy

• Only Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell
• Brief mentions of other books are acceptable (behind !spoilers tags), but for longer Cosmere conversations, it's best to go to #cosmere or a similar channel

-# Cover art by Miranda Meeks

[quaint crater]

mmm silver

[eager pulsar]

Silver the Hedgehog, like from Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020?! (released in 2019 for the Nintendo Switch)

[slate vapor]

nah, clearly the lone ranger's horse

[eager pulsar]

Or perhaps the rival character from Generation 2 Pokemon games (First seen in 1999, on the Nintendo Game Boy Colour)

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potentially the silver surfer, who's apparently a woman now

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Or maybe even Silver Fang, from One Punch Man (serialised by Weekly Shonen Jump in 2012, illustrated by Yusuke Murata, based on the original webcomic by ONE)

[slate vapor]

perchance Terry Silver, from karate kid 3

[eager pulsar]

possibly Quicksilver, from Marvel Comics' X-Men (first serialised in 1963, written by Stan Lee, and illustrated by Jack Kirby)

[slate vapor]

Gosh darn it you stole my next one :(

A deep cut, but it is possible he refers to George silver, a 16/17th century swordsman

[eager pulsar]

lol

Mayhaps it is Colonel Silver, from Dragon Ball (serialised in Weekly Shonen Jump in 1984, written and illustrated by Akira Toriyama)

[slate vapor]

Maybe long John silver, from Stevenson's Treasure Island

[alpine lark]

I actually really like Silence as a character

[mighty ridge]

Literally the first message about the actual book this channel is for lmao

[vestal tusk]

The problem is that people have essentially already discussed all there is to discuss for stories like this one

[mighty ridge]

We could fight about which character/reference is meant to be Hoid

[vestal tusk]

None of them

[mighty ridge]

Peter most recently said Hoid is in there somewhere

[vestal tusk]

He's Silence

[hazy moat]

Ah, we talked about it on Shardcast! Or will talk about it? We think Peter is wrong, there are multiple references to Brandon saying there's no Hoid here

[bleak basin]

Cosmere general ||Have talked, will talk, it’s all the same in the Spiritual Realm||

[rustic solstice]

Well I certainly haven't been there when these discussions took place. There are always new people who start reading the cosmere and join this server.

[eager pulsar]

To be fair, the first message was considerably more relevant than the ones following it, despite having zero context

[exotic musk]

Who is hoid in this book just finished and cant think of anyone really earnest is my best guess

[nimble breach]

He may not be in it, but he also might be - iirc Brandon & co have gone back and forth on it

[hollow lava]

Personally I like the idea that this isn't a story relevant to the wider Cosmere, just an isolated tale giving a glimpse of Threnodite life

[hazy moat]

I believe we looked into it during a recent podcast, and Brandon has consistently said he is not there

The confusion comes from a Peter comment

[mighty ridge]

#1477856729000841229 message

[mighty ridge]

Or scroll up a few lines lol. This channel has been very quiet

Hoid sighting fight between Peter and Brandon

[mighty ridge]

Yeah having an occasional story without Hoid is a bit refreshing

[exotic musk]

but having hoid in every book is like a staple

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peter trying to say a character is hoid because he shows all the markings of hoid when brandon didnt want him to be hoid

[soft rapids]

we don't even know who Peter thinks is Hoid, so I don't know how we can say they "show all the markings of Hoid"

[ionic yarrow]

minor general cosmere ||Hoid is also not in every book anyway||

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[general Cosmere] ||Hoid's in the books he's in because those are big important events which are connected to his goals, but this story isn't anything especially epic, it's just a personal thing||

[exotic musk]

Still fun

[exotic musk]

Oh really?

[exotic musk]

True true

[soft rapids]

[Cosmere all] ||the ones he's not in at all are Hope of Elantris, The Eleventh Metal, Allomancer Jak, Sixth of the Dusk, Dawnshard, and King Lopen, right? and debatably Edgedancer (mentioned in Lift's past but not specifically involved in the story)||

[ionic yarrow]

iirc yeah

cosmere all ||if we're counting mentions then King Lopen probably also counts I guess maybe?? I also don't remember if he had even a line in WOA (I know we know it solely from WOBs, but I can't remember if his unidentifiable role was on page). I think AOL also skipped him but I might be forgetting some unnamed mention or smth. oh, and Chasmfriends||

[soft rapids]

[Cosmere all] ||I don't count King Lopen since iirc the references there are all about the job rather than the person
Brandon calls him in Well of Ascension a "cameo", so I assume he was onscreen, but I'm having a hard time finding where his specific role was confirmed so idk
in Alloy of Law he's a weird guy at the wedding speaking to Josh and Mi'ch, I believe
I forget, is ChasmFriends being told by Hoid or no?||

[ionic yarrow]

||OH RIGHT I forgot that wedding was that book! idk about the picture book but CF in its current edition is not told by anyone specific. Hoid's role in WOA was leading the Terris refugees iirc||

[soft rapids]

||re: WoA, I've heard that and the wiki says it, I just haven't found the actual source, just a few vaguer ones on him being in the group
if it's accurate then I think people talk to him though yeah||

||if ChasmFriends isn't told by anyone specific then yeah that counts as a story with no appearance too, good point||

[ionic yarrow]

Mistborn all ||I doubt the guy they talk to is him, Brandon said he's deeply disguised but I still don't think he'd talk like that. he could be the guy serving Elend tea but we don't know (or at least I don't)||

[hollow lava]

||ChasmFriends is being told by Design to Hoid, because she wanted to show that she could tell a story too||

[mighty ridge]

Time to move over to #cosmere ?

[ionic yarrow]

sure but those videos aren't canon - the story's contents aren't either but it is being told as a story in-world, iirc, and if I had to guess it's not by anyone in particular

[shadow sluice]

Stuttgart signing (May 17, 2019)

Paraphrased

Rhapsody

Will the Threnody book take place in the Homeland?

Brandon Sanderson

The book is tentatively called The Dusk Brigade. A group wants to free the homeland of the Evil. It doesn't go well for them. Opening scene is all ships sinking and people washing up on shore.

Footnote: The title of The Dusk Brigade was mistakenly believed to be The Dust Brigade until March 2022.

[exotic musk]

Claire obscure e33 spoilers ||this reminds me of when the expedition shows up on the mainland lol||

[amber gale]

And this is basically all we can say without Sunlit - I would encourage you to read that if you want more Threnody

[exotic musk]

Seriously

Thats awesome

I do know that nazh is a threnodite

[amber gale]

Also Emberdark, there's some stuff in that that's also relevant