#Elantris

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livid minnow
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Elantris was Brandon's very first published book, and you are welcome to talk about it here free of the burdens of decades of Cosmere spoilers!

Spoiler policy

  • Elantris and Hope of Elantris only
  • Brief mentions of other books are acceptable (behind !spoilers tags), but for longer Cosmere conversations, it's best to go to #cosmere or a similar channel

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-# Book cover by Stephan Martinière

hollow egret
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First, I guess

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No more Elder Scrolls yay

flint schooner
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second, I say not

hollow egret
tulip wagon
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4th i i suppose

candid trout
tulip wagon
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what you mean fitting

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you trying to fight

candid trout
candid trout
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But now I am (ninth)

candid trout
worthy pollen
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it's very amusing how not a single message in this forum has been about Elantris yet

hollow egret
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Quite

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Let's see if we can make it to a week

barren delta
livid minnow
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Sounds to me like none of the active participants so far are interested in talking about Elantris here, so you are all welcome to just not use it

hoary vault
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Anyone still excited for the sequels? Even if they're delayed

worthy pollen
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I'm definitely reading them when they come out

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I hope we get back to Sel sooner rather than later

mellow dawn
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I want to know what the heck the deal with the skaze is

low kite
torpid lotus
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I finally actually want to understand Brandon's worldbuilding for Sel, instead of it just getting hinted at in bits and pieces in other books

hollow egret
hollow egret
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it's one of the staples of the cosmere!

tulip wagon
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Tbh id rather he rewrite elantris because it has one of the most interesting plots in the cosmere imo but it was poorly done

shell jackal
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I think Elantris is fine as it is

hoary vault
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I really quite enjoyed elantris, so I hope we get to see a more experience brandon expand that world and cast more

upbeat yew
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I am actually really looking forward to the sequels, I did enjoy Elantris as is but I think the story being told there would be like 5x better if modern Sanderson wrote it

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and I can't wait for that to be somewhat reflected in the sequels

echo vigil
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I don't think it's going to happen, so I'm not having any emotions about it.

upbeat yew
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You don't think it's going to happen? 🤔 Isn't this part of the actual mainline of books that he's writing? Unlike Warbreaker sequels, etc

echo vigil
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I don't think he has time in the schedule any more to write them, no.

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I think he will sacrifice them on the altar of Hollywood.

upbeat yew
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Oh, yeah that's possible

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Well I'm looking forward to it but don't care if it doesn't happen kinda thing

low kite
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I think it’s more likely than a lot of other things that “are definitely coming”, but I wouldn’t be particularly shocked either way.

upbeat yew
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Mhm, certainly more likely than everything else that's not Mistborn/SA

low kite
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I’d expect a 7th secret project more I think, but yeah. Also Dragonsteel.

upbeat yew
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Oh more random books are certainly going to happen lol

proven pewter
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Brandon has a much easier time writing standalones than sequels

split stratus
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My current working hypotheses is that well get MB Era 3 and maybe not much more. If the whole Cosmere Cinematic Universe thing pans out and he will be as involved as he currently plans to be, I am not sure if we should count on a lot of these books ever being written by Sanderson himself.

mellow dawn
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I think it's more likely he'll step back a bit from the CCU once it gains momentum

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If he's able to show the studio what his vision is and it's well received, then he might feel more comfortable letting other writers do the bulk of future screenplays and just give feedback on them

split stratus
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I sure hope that turns out to be true. Instead of him going full George RR Martin on us.

barren delta
upbeat yew
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aaah, I see

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makes sense then

chrome dust
hoary vault
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Tbh I wonder what we will end up getting

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Like, MB 1980s and space/SLA/Dragonsteel are basically locked in, I reckon, but I could see cyberpunkborn dropping off if Brandon doesnt have time. And with Elantris in the "maybe" section, I feel like everything aside from those four is kind of in flux

hollow egret
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what if, and hear me out, Brandon doesn't cut anything, and we get to have our cake and eat it too, whatever that is supposed to mean

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elantris 2 and 3 are apparently era 3

hoary vault
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I'm not confident Brandon has the time to do everything he wants to at the rate he wants to

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We've already seen him move Elantris 2 & 3 out of the confirmed and into the maybe for the sake of time, and he's adjusted his MB:GB schedule for the sake of movie stuff

hollow egret
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postponing and cutting are different things

hoary vault
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I mean, I suppose

hollow egret
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gotta have that copium

hoary vault
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But I dont think Brandon is going to cut anything - he seems to want to do all of these books

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Its just a question of what is high priority/exciting enough to get done, and stuff getting postponed pushes it further away from the guaranteed space

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I hope we get Elantris 2&3, but I'm not confident we'll get anything aside from MB:GB, SLA 6-10, Dragonsteel and MB:Space

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-# I'm ignoring the possibility that he starts one of them and is unable to finish due to factors outside his control - I think these are the series he will try to get done unless he literally can't

candid trout
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I really like Seons

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I hope we see more of them

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I also really like Skaze

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I hope we see them

hoary vault
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There's a lot of stuff I want to see more of on Sel

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IIRC one of the sequels might be set in Fjorden? I'd love to see more countries explored like that

candid trout
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Oooh, neat

shell jackal
shell jackal
hoary vault
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-# If dragonsteel gets cut I will write it myself

hoary vault
# shell jackal ChayShan!!

I both love and hate how Brandon came up with a world with three(?) major continents, plenty of important nations, and a ton of magic systems and then wrote... one and a half books in it 😭

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There's so much potential on Sel

shell jackal
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there is!! I forget sometimes how much potential there is, I remember the contents of Elantris and forget just how much we got hints of or was implied

candid trout
hoary vault
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I have a real fondness for elantris worldbuilding, idk why

shell jackal
hoary vault
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It wasn't even my first brandon book but I'm just quite fond of it

candid trout
hoary vault
shell jackal
candid trout
shell jackal
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canon divergence, where the divergence is just characters having conversations onscreen

hoary vault
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I remember digging through some elantris sequels wobs at one point and there's even just lore there that I'd love to see

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IIRC [wobs] ||seonblades could be a thing, wyrn may have futuresight?||

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Brandon clearly seems to have ideas for sel and I'm like... i wanna see them!!

torpid lotus
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that's my biggest thing too

hoary vault
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Also [wobs] ||there are three continents- it would be awesome to see them actuallt interact a bit||

torpid lotus
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I wanna see the worldbuilding he's built

shell jackal
# hoary vault It wasn't even my first brandon book but I'm just quite fond of it

I don't have a particular fondness for it (ironically) but there's something of a fondness to a lot of Brandon's older work before I got into the fandom and started paying more attention to the details and the craft of it (and also I think his writing has changed some for both the better and worse, but part of it is also me reading with new eyes) and Elantris is def just...nice

hoary vault
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I feel like elantris hits some similar feelings to me as DSP, though a bit more polished obviously

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There's just something about it I like

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Though with DSP I am biased because I find stuff about unpublished/early work from authors to be so fascinating

hoary vault
# torpid lotus I wanna see the worldbuilding he's built

I feel like there are some books on Brandon's list where I'm like... does he have the plot/lore for this or does he just feel like it needs to happen, but elantris sequels feels to me like he has plans and ideas that I'd love to see actually realised on page

shell jackal
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oh another thing I love about Elantris and Sel

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finding Aons in names and stuff

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it felt almost a bit like a puzzle at times, or at least like noticing cool details

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general cosmere ||I haven't felt as much of this in Brandon's recent books and it makes me kinda sad bc I missed out on the fandom era of like, TWOK, where there were all these little things to decode and notice hints for and piece together. and Aons play into a similar sort of vein? noticing them in worldhopper names, in planet names, or even just reading the Ars Arcanum and building an idea of them in my head when reading the book||

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||so many cosmere references now are more like "HEY LOOK A THING" than "ooh what's this? a secret 👀" and I know that's partly just connections becoming more prominent and stuff but also idk. it was cool. I liked the vibe||

hoary vault
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-# is it a hot take to say I'd rather get elantris sequels than mistborn cyberpunk

shell jackal
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I feel like not that hot, I haven't seen too many people over the moon hyped about cyberpunk era LUL

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granted, not that many people seem to be hyped about Elantris sequels at this point either 😭 but really cyberpunk Mistborn has mostly gotten a "sure okay, sounds cool" from what I've seen? just anecdotally

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anyway even if it is hot I'm with you, I love Mistborn but I've been wanting the Elantris sequels much longer and Mistborn will get plenty of books anyway, whereas Elantris barely has anything

hoary vault
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We have enough mistborn already, 100%

chrome dust
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I also prefer more elnatris over more mistborn, but it might be that i was fisapointed with recent mistborn books and didnt got diapointed with the little elantris we got.
so its possible if we get elnatris sequel in brandons current style i will also not like them as much as i hope.

torpid lotus
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to people who have been clamoring for a cyberpunk mistborn

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consider: cyberpunk Elantris

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hoary vault
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Those are the books where I'm like... I don't think brandon will delay them, I think he plans to write them all as top priority

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It's possible health or other factors may stop him doing that, but I don't think any of those aside from maybe DS will get pushed into the "maybe someday" space

limber socket
limber socket
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shell jackal
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is that a common opinion though?

hoary vault
lost raven
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I would rather have Elantris sequels because that would mean he's making significant progress toward the ending of the cosmere

shell jackal
lost raven
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Cyberpunk Mistborn is like, "Oh yeah I should have 16 Mistborn books"

hoary vault
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Oh yeah I suppose that's another example of "is there a plan or is it just for the sake of it" LUL

low kite
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There’s a couple things I’d put behind Elantris sequels, but more that I’d put first.

echo vigil
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Mistborn might be my favourite, but I'll take Elantris sequels over another unplanned sub-series any day.

worthy pollen
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I would like to see Cyberpunk Mistborn, but I don't think that needs to be a separate series from Era 4

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-# also, should this move channels?

lost raven
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He can write Cyberpunk Mistborn after Spaceage Mistborn/cosmere finale

barren delta
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it's not exactly spoilers but it's also not exactly about just Elantris either

upbeat yew
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Id rather we got 0 adaptations and just about any book

hoary vault
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0 adaptations and 60 new white sand editions

upbeat yew
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*new books

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My bad, for not specifying LUL

hoary vault
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Yes. New rewritten revised versions of white sand.

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Again and again.

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Each "more canon" than the last

split stratus
proven pewter
candid trout
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Sel Fish

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-# Don't ask me what this means, I have no idea

coarse schooner
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magic fish that can only do their magic by swimming a certain way /silly

candid trout
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Ooh, that's fun

coarse schooner
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why is dakhor categorized as (cosmere i think?) ||end-positive||?
it's all about sacrifice and people are used as consumables to complete its magics

coarse schooner
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AA?

low kite
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Ars arcanum

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They’re asking where you saw it get categorised like that

coarse schooner
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oh, on the coppermind wiki

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Dakhor is a manifestation of Investiture on Sel, independent from AonDor.
Users of this system are the monks of Dakhor Monastery in Fjorden. The Dakhor monks themselves are a newer development than Elantrians. In fact, Wulfden the Fourth was preparing to use them against Elantris before the city fell on its own.

low kite
coarse schooner
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from the wiki:

"The amount of Investiture in the people killed is far more important than the number of people killed."

low kite
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Essentially, all the arts on sel like dakhor and aondor draw power from the door. MB ||the Scadrian system would define that as end positive because energy/investiture enters the physical realm||

teal quest
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I think Dahkor is just evil. Like how MB ||the metals are the "passcode" to the magic||. same with the people

coarse schooner
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that feels like (cosmere i guess?) ||end-negative||

teal quest
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not the people

low kite
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My guess is you sacrifice the people and essentially shape their souls into the equivalent of an Aon, which channels the Dor into whatever effect you need. So the actual power still comes from the Dor.

worthy pollen
low kite
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It’s hard to know though with how secret it all was. Maybe we get Elantris sequels eventually and they explain something.

worthy pollen
mellow dawn
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MB ||So like Allomancy if you have to sacrifice people to forge the right metal||

worthy pollen
agile gorge
proven pewter
snow surge
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Something something Art Dakhor

teal quest
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rip the sequels Sel isn't top tier cosmere anymore

hoary vault
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Is this a new wob?

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I guess that leaves just scadrial and roshar as top tier then

coarse schooner
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its from the livestream that happened today

teal quest
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he put elantris on the same tier as warbreaker 😭

hollow egret
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Oh no

hoary vault
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Dang it

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I shouldn't have let myself get actually interested in elantris sequels 😭

kind lotus
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No no, I'm with you there

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I want to believe...

teal quest
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we still hope

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-shakes fist at the mistborn movie for taking brandos time-

hollow egret
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Ok, so he only said Elantris is less important than Mistborn and Stormlight

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He didn't mention Dragonsteel or anything else

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Just Mistborn, Stormlight, Elantris, and Warbreaker

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And it was just like a passing comment

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It'll happen, surely

hoary vault
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Right now I think it's mb=stormlight>dragonsteel>>>>wb&elantris

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In terms of importance

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If he can get to it, I think he'll do it, but I think WB & Elantris both suffer from being important enough to matter (more than, say, yumi) but not important enough to be something he has to do

hollow egret
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Well what he said was Mistborn≈Stormlight>Elantris≈Warbreaker

hoary vault
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Yeah, I'm adding dragonsteel from other comments he's made

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(And estimating the differences in the same way)

hollow egret
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Well, other comments put Elantris higher

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So, maybe this is more of a Warbreaker is more important now than an Elantris is less important now

hoary vault
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Because afaik dragonsteel wasn't mentioned in this specific case, I'm using his most recent wobs from other sources on it to judge

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If it was mentioned in the stream (which afaik it wasnt) I would go off of that

hoary vault
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If elantris hadn't dropped in importance I think there would be more of an effort to get those done roughly in line with the schedule

hollow egret
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Has Brandon ever not done something he said he would

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Postponing is sad, but it doesn't mean gone

hoary vault
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I don't think it's gone

limber socket
hollow egret
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Kinda morbid

hoary vault
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I just think it's slipped into the zone of "I will get to it if I can", which is a lower priority than other books

limber socket
# hollow egret Kinda morbid

I mean, yeah. But the thought was more like…as long as he’s alive, there’s time for him to potentially do it

hoary vault
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There's no point where he theoretically can't write it until then

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even then it's possible it could be done through notes+another author

hollow egret
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Idk, the cosmere is very ambitious

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I think he was probably referring to current books that are out

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Which is why he didn't mention dragonsteel

hoary vault
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Elantris sequels did get delayed

hollow egret
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He was kind of generally talking about the cosmere as a whole

hoary vault
hollow egret
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Well, they probably aren't as important

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But they're still important

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The fact that he's still mentioning them as a core cosmere thing is enough

hoary vault
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I don't think they are not important

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In fact, I think their importance is part of why they haven't happened yet and may not happen for a little while (same with WB2)

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Stuff like the secret projects are all unimportant enough to the overall narrative that he can just do them for fun, as a break. Stuff like mistborn and stormlight is key enough that it has to happen. Elantris & wb are important enough to be work but not important enough for a mandated slot, which I think may be why we wont see them as quickly

hollow egret
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You think it's a secret history situation where we go back after ghostbloods and stormlight and find out that ||xyz was actually alive this whole time with a spike in his eye||

hoary vault
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I don't think they're cancelled, but I don't believe right now that we will 100% get anything aside from stormlight and mistborn

hoary vault
hollow egret
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Right

hoary vault
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Cosmere general ||my guess is that elantris sequels will vaguely overlap with the plot of mb:gb enough that they would work together nicely, but where elantris isn't necessary for anything aside from maybe context||

hollow egret
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Definitely

hoary vault
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Cosmere specific ||(probably because autonomy + interplanetary stuff may be a factor in Elantris 2&3, and will be a big factor in mb:gb)||

hollow egret
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I feel like there's already plenty of elantris and warbreaker things we're missing

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Like TLM ||Codenames and Moonlight||

lost raven
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More spoiler tagging please

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Or move to #cosmere

hoary vault
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Is there anything currently untagged that you would say needs tagging? /genq

hollow egret
lost raven
tame lily
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silly question maybe

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but

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what happened to Karata?

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she dies just before the Elantrians are restored

quaint haven
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Sadly, she wouldn't have been restored, as she was already deceased

tame lily
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but then she appears to be fine in Hope of Elantris, unless I'm dumb?

quaint haven
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Most of Hope of Elantris happens before she gets killed, I believe?

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Or does she appear in the present-day sequences with Raoden at the beginning and end?

tame lily
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if the Coppermind isn't completely off, Galladon is teaching the children about the chasm line, then someone comes with a message for Karata, and someone says that Karata is in the library

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or

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wait, right, there's a time between discovery of the chasm line and the aon rao being fixed

echo vigil
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Yes.

quaint haven
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Yes

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From the sound of it, that's during the flashback, so that would be before she died, chronologically

tame lily
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so they're learning about aons

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but they're not actually like

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doing aondor

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(I'm only reading the summary atm, a friend asked me lel)

echo vigil
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They can still be doing AonDor, because they fixed the line - but they hadn't fixed Elantris itself, which is hte end of Elantis and after Hope.

quaint haven
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Yeah, they could still do AonDor between fixing the line and fixing Elantris, it just wasn't as powerful as it should be

tame lily
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I meant they're not actual Elantrians

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slip of the tongue ig

quaint haven
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No, they are

tame lily
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huh

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didn't that need the AonRao fixed?

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am I misremembering Elantris that badly 😭

quaint haven
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The transformation turning them into Elantrians is incomplete, but it's still started, so they still qualify as Elantrian

tame lily
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bwah

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that's more pedantics than I was thinking of lmao

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they were still Reod Elantrians

quaint haven
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...I'm legit confused at this point, what point are you trying to make?

echo vigil
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-# Pedantry in my 17th Shard server? More likely than you might think...

tame lily
echo vigil
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Doesn't matter for hte purposes of casting AonDor. They were Elantrian enough.

quaint haven
tame lily
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but the timing

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I was just confused about the timing

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lol

echo vigil
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Raoden has to work out the line thing before he does all illusions and things which let him leave the city.

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So the Hope teaching scene can take place anytime between then and the city being attacked - and it's during that attack that Raoden goes off and works out how to fix the city, and Karata goes with him - and, as far as I recall, dies protecting him completeing the chasm line that moments later restores the city. Just too late for her.

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That's how I remember it, anyway.

livid minnow
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Galladon can draw Aons when Raoden meets him, that's not the issue

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The issue is that without adding the chasm line to those Aons, they are incomplete and weak

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Similarly, without adding the chasm line to the giant Rao, the Reod is incomplete, as is the Elantrians' transformation

quaint haven
tame lily
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yes I just didn't know the timeline of things qwq

echo vigil
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Yes, there's a difference between drawing them and drawing them.

tulip wagon
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This book probably has my favorite magic system in the cosmere

teal quest
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sel is the goat of magic systems

teal quest
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all inclusive elantris magic

mellow dawn
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I love the Dor

tulip wagon
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I

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Love

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Coding

mellow dawn
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Cosmere general ||Coding powered by magical fallout||

tulip wagon
mellow dawn
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Wait, is Khriss's Sel blurb from Arcanum Unbounded allowed in this channel?

tulip wagon
barren delta
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I'm pretty sure we usually allow Arcanum Unbounded in the relevant series channels

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Though I don't think [general Cosmere stuff] ||Odium's role|| is mentioned there

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proven pewter
lost raven
native violet
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Well, I just finished Elantris as my intro to the cosmere. That was absolutely incredible. As in, one of the best books I've read this year, which is a lot to say, I've read some pretty amazing books recently

tame lily
native violet
tame lily
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:3

split stratus
livid minnow
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I remember Elantris fondly

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Maybe it has some structural issues, but once that climax gets going, it goes

languid sierra
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Elantris is really good but i do think it's not quite as good as most of the cosmere

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like for me the bottom of the list is probably white sand, mistborn e2, then elantris

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mellow dawn
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Elantris x PowerWash Simulator collab when

stiff anchor
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I've been watching Witch Hat Atelier recently and the magic system in that show is a lot like AonDor with the combination of different sigils and the importance of drawing accurately. I think we should up our AonDor design game bc WHA fans are out here making the most diabolical spells known to man and I want to see what an unethical Elantrian might cook up (beyond turning a lad into a rat, that is)

coarse schooner
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I saw someone made a theoretical kugelblitz spell on reddit I think using WHA's magic system (I haven't seen it yet)

livid minnow
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Ugh, I didn't need more reasons to try out WHA

languid sierra
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i love the manga i need to watch the anime so bad

flint schooner
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aonrao 🚪
-# i will say nothing more

proven pewter
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raodoor