Magic: the Gathering

[rare sparrow]

if they draw it, 66.5%

largest improvement in winrate when in hand

https://www.17lands.com/card_data?expansion=Cube+-+Powered&format=PremierDraft&start=2026-04-18&sort=drawn_improvement_win_rate%2Cdesc

the thing that i think you may be underrating about time walk in cube is how good it is when you splash it in a white or red aggro deck

[molten maple]

Ocelot Pride? Seriously?

[rare sparrow]

if you cast time walk in an aggro deck, you are almost certainly going to win the game

by speeding up your clock by a turn

[rare sparrow]

unfortunately. but it has a lot to do with white based aggro being very strong in arena cube

[molten maple]

I mean Ocelot Pride is obviously a hilariously broken card but its crazy that it is up there with the 3 strongest power 9 cards

[rare sparrow]

and ocelot pride and ajani are just the best white aggro cards

[molten maple]

What about the lands

Like where is Gaea's Cradle at

[rare sparrow]

which ones?

tolarian academy was also top 10

as was karakas

[molten maple]

Surely Gaea's Cradle is up there too

[rare sparrow]

looks like gaea's cradle is in the 20s

[molten maple]

That's shockingly low

[rare sparrow]

probably sort of the opposite of what's going on with the white aggro creatures

[molten maple]

I wonder how much of that is green being kinda bad

[rare sparrow]

a reflection of green being bad

[molten maple]

Like I get that Ancestral Recall draws 3, and drawing 3 for 1 mana is insane

[rare sparrow]

nadu (and mox emerald, if you want to count that although you should play it even in a non-green deck) are the only green cards above cradle

[molten maple]

But at the same time, drawing cards is only as good as the cards you draw. I would rather have a Time Walk

[rare sparrow]

yeah, i think ancestral recall also really benefits from being played alongside ways to accelrate yourself so you can make use of the extra cards early

which means either having green cards (not good) or other power 9 (unlikely0

[gloomy pagoda]

My conclusion from poorly skimming the conversation is that Time Walk is good because it lets you draw a card. Therefore, Ancestral Recall is three times as good.

[rare sparrow]

time walk is an explore with an extra combat step

and that combat step is better than it sounds

[gloomy pagoda]

Honestly, I feel like the bigger more important distinction is cost. You can AR on turn 1, and that's bigger than taking a third turn before your opponent takes their second.

[rare sparrow]

also i think you basically win the game if you have any way to cast your time walk twice (underworld breach, tamiyo, snapcaster, etc.)

while casting AR twice is less good

[gloomy pagoda]

Sure, Time Walk can let you win the game with a neat combo on an extra turn, but AR gets you consistency, and consistency is king

[rare sparrow]

that seems to be a big thing people try to do when they draft time walk from cube videos i've watched

[molten maple]

Well and it will likely just make you a bajillion mana to immediately win the game with if you arent just casting it raw on turn 2 without rocks or ramp

[rare sparrow]

ultimately the distinction doesn't matter too much, as last i heard the arena cube is designed intentionally so two power 9 cards never appear in the same pack

so you're talking about mtgo cube or real life powered cube as the places the decision might matter

[tepid stirrup]

I think my biggest surprise with Time Walk is that for as easy it is to build into a wincon, I feel like its also really easy to waste

[molten maple]

There are other online power cubes that will have multiple power 9 in the same pack im pretty sure

[leaden tide]

Hmm interesting.

[rare sparrow]

yeah, just assuming that MTGA is the most likely place people are engaging with powered cube

[leaden tide]

To that effect though, you're more likely to draw Time Walk if you have AR in your deck.

[leaden tide]

We need to have Brandon start collecting stats on his power cube.

[gloomy pagoda]

Yeah, in my mind TW is a combo piece, while AR gets you combo pieces, and in any format with readily accessible combos, one's more valuable than the other.

[leaden tide]

He's got enough interns at Dragonsteel to do it

[leaden tide]

That was my experience with Cyclonic Rift. Unless I could immediately leverage it and win on that turn, it usually just made games go a lot longer.

[rare sparrow]

doesn't brandon's cube have a lot of custom cards?

i feel like he's said that before

but also he probably has multiple cubes

[leaden tide]

He has a lot of artists' proofs

[rare sparrow]

since i think draft is all he plays

[leaden tide]

Where he's had the artist doodle another card on the back

and you can play both sides

[rare sparrow]

ooo that sounds cool

why are we getting star trek leaks* already 🙁

[tepid stirrup]

Because how dare you enjoy your period of non-UB

[rare sparrow]

have to wait basically half a year between strixhaven and reality fracture for two non-UB sets

i really hope if we get into a world of 6 sets and 3 UB a year we are going to always be alternating between UB/non-UB

[leaden tide]

Pretty sure this is a leak.

[leaden tide]

I know my wallet is going to be so happy this summer.

[rare sparrow]

it looks like the big oversized things they put up at conventions

i'll try to track it down and can remove if needed

i'll relabel it as a leak to be safe

[leaden tide]

Well in the mean time, some notes and impressions of this card:

• ||The set symbol is impeccable, sooooooooo much better than the Marvel ones.||
• ||Set code is TOC, so this is likely a commander card. Which explains the set number, it's awfully low. Even if Star Trek were a small set, that's way too early to be starting the multi-colors||
• ||However, that does bring up another question, if it's the Commander set, why isn't it lower? Face commanders come at the start of the set numbers. And he doesn't use the face commander borderless frame. My conclusion then is that he's in a Starfleet catch-all deck, and Picard and the Enterprise-D are the face commanders.||

[gloomy pagoda]

Huh, magic rules question: Are you allowed to do a search that's guaranteed to fail?

[leaden tide]

Yep!

Failed to find is a thing.

You can even declare 'failed to find' if the thing is in your deck.

[gloomy pagoda]

And by guaranteed, I mean known to be guaranteed to fail

[tepid stirrup]

I feel like this is a thing that's been used at pro tours before?

[leaden tide]

Yep!

https://mtg.wiki/page/Search

[leaden tide]

Yeah you can still do it.

[tepid stirrup]

I've heard enough of the Magic Player Does Some Crafty BS type of story that its hard to keep them all straight but I think this is one of them?

[rare sparrow]

failing to find was a pretty common play pattern with gifts ungiven. it let you guaranteed put two cards of your choice into the graveyard

ah, they even talk about gifts ungiven on that exact page

[gloomy pagoda]

Neat. In Pokemon TCG guaranteed deck knowledge usually isn't a thing, but in the close Commander analogue there are some searches that are known to be guaranteed to fail, and IIRC they fail to even start

[leaden tide]

The only time you can't fail to find is if the thing you're searching for isn't specified, aka a generic tutor:

701.23d If a player is searching a hidden zone simply for a quantity of cards, such as “a card” or “three cards,” that player must find that many cards (or as many as possible, if the zone doesn’t contain enough cards).

[rare sparrow]

funnily enough, if you are playing with the top card of your library revealed, and your opponents as a result all know you have a specific type of card, you can still fail to find on your tutor searching your library with that card revealed

e.g. if you play three visits and the top card of your library is a revealed forest, you don't have to actually get that forest

not sure why exactly you'd do that, but it is a thing that you can legally do

[molten maple]

What if you're about to get milled out, and you REALLY need one of those cards you can cast while searching your library?

[leaden tide]

Pretty sure it's just Panglacial Wurm

[molten maple]

So you use the three visits to search and cast the card while searching, but you do not get the forest to avoid milling yourself

[leaden tide]

That's it, that's the whole list of that particular rules nightmare

[molten maple]

Good

Thats the only reason I can think of to ever not get the forest though

[leaden tide]

Apparently there's more, but two of them are Alchemy cards and two are test cards.

[rare sparrow]

my favorite rules nightmare is trying to cast panglacial wurm using selvala, explorer returned

[leaden tide]

They're also all far more limited than good old Panglacial

[molten maple]

Can someone explain to me why Channel is only worth like, 50 cents?

It seems so comically strong how can it possibly be so cheap

[leaden tide]

Ultra-turbo banned literally everywhere

[molten maple]

Aren't all of the power 9 cards also banned almost everywhere too though?

[leaden tide]

The Power 9 are much more efficient at winning games.

[molten maple]

It seems at least as strong as the moxes to me

[tepid stirrup]

Power 9 is also inherently a collector's set, by virtue of having that name

[leaden tide]

It is infinitely more expensive than a mox though.

[rare sparrow]

channel is a card that has been reprinted a gazillion times and can't be played in any format

[leaden tide]

By the time you have two mana to play Channel in Vintage, your opponent will have already won with free spells.

[molten maple]

Why do they keep printing it if its not legal anywhere lol

[molten maple]

Except you just play it turn 1

With your own mox or lotus or whatever

[rare sparrow]

all of its original very old printings were at uncommon, not rare, as well

[rare sparrow]

who knows lol

[leaden tide]

To be fair, it hasn't been reprinted that often. It's just not that in-demand at all.

[leaden tide]

Oops your Channel just got countered by Force of Will

[rare sparrow]

i mean, a lot considering how not playable it is

[molten maple]

You can say that about literally any counterable card though

[leaden tide]

Yes but you're not spending mana to cast the Moxen, which means it's far less of a tempo loss.

[rare sparrow]

green is also just the worst color in vintage

you don't want to be casting double green cards

[leaden tide]

Basically, in Vintage, there's far more efficient ways to use the two mana you'd use to cast Channel.

Like, say this guy.

Literally will win you the game on the spot if you have the right card (usually Protean Hulk) in your hand.

[rare sparrow]

channel is also kind of a card you need to build your deck around to take advantage of (e.g. eldrazi, big X spells) and when it's restricted you can't rely on getting it

[leaden tide]

I guess they reprint it sometimes because it's responsible for the most iconic fables of early early Magic.

[rare sparrow]

yeah, and flash is also unplayable in vintage for essentially the same reason, it being restricted makes it too hard to rely on

also usually vintage likes compact combos

and flash + hulk + a bunch of creatures is a lot of deck slots

time vault + voltaic key, less so

[leaden tide]

The deck that's just 15 Black Lotuses, 15 Channels, 15 Fireballs, and 15 Mountains.

Which is why the 4-of rule was first implemented.

[rare sparrow]

channel is also competing with this

[leaden tide]

Wait my numbers were wrong, constructed decks were originally 40 cards. So it was 10 of each.

[rare sparrow]

which is a two mana green combo card that doesn't require you to have the card you combo it with in your hand

you just need to have atraxa be the only creature in your library

and you're good

(and it's also allowed as a 4-of)

[gloomy pagoda]

Huh, card count limits feel baked into CCGs as a concept, but I guess it would be something that isn't immediately obviously needed in a brand new type of game

[tepid stirrup]

A not-terrible rule of thumb unfortunately is that if a card, especially an old card, sees less play than you expect and it is green, the fact that it is green often is the answer

[gloomy pagoda]

And then like a month of public testing later, oops, the game is broken if there are no deck-building limits

[tepid stirrup]

Took them kind of a long time to figure green out and even now I think its maybe the easiest color for them to let drift into an underpowered state

[rare sparrow]

i'm fairly sure 4 of was picked pretty arbitrarily too. there needed to be some more restrictions once tournaments became an actual thing, and playing cards have 4 copies of each card in the deck, thus a 4-of limit

[leaden tide]

Yeah green basically exists in Commander because it's the ramp color.

[gloomy pagoda]

Probably, the big thing is that a limit needs to exist, and it was implemented 5 months after initial release, so they probably went "Oh crap", picked a number, and hoped it'd reach the players before too much damage was done

[rare sparrow]

it's funny to me how green is so good in both casual commander and cEDH because of ramping but using basically entirely different sets of cards

cedh decks don't play land ramp (just ways to cheat out gaea's cradle) and play lots of mana dorks, while in casual people play far fewer mana dorks and lots of land ramp

it really is just so good at ramping in every single way

[leaden tide]

To make things abundantly clear, Sir Robin, Channel is very good. You're not wrong in that assessment.

Hence why it's banned almost everywhere.

And the only pace it's not banned is the format with even more insanely broken stuff.

[tepid stirrup]

Yeah pricing just kind of has a separate line of considerations

[rare sparrow]

not that a ton of people play timeless but i think it was at one point very good there despite being restricted

[tepid stirrup]

Another example of this is Traveling Chocobo's alt arts

Collectible set, and they're priced way out of band for the card's power

Collectability, age, number of printings, number of legal formats, a lot of things go into a card's monetary value and it can be hard to guess just by looking at it

In other words, reading the card may explain the card but it doesn't necessarily explain the card's market value

[molten maple]

Why even use mountains, use 20 each of the others

[leaden tide]

Man it's funny going through old cards.

We were just talking about Channel and the Power 9.

And then there stuff like this:

[rare sparrow]

my favorite incredibly bad one from a while back isn't quite that bad

but it's certainly at a point where you'd think they would've known better (original ravnica)

like, stuff in the first 5 years, you can excuse them, they had no idea what they were doing yet

but releasing a 6 mana creature that bad over 10 years after the game came out is just a head scratcher to me

[tepid stirrup]

I remember that card!

I might even have one in a box somewhere

I think maybe I thought it had flying for a while (as a middle schooler) because the art kind of makes it look like it should

Even if it had flying it'd be ass tbh

[molten maple]

I... what is the point of this?

1 mana do nothing, cool

[tepid stirrup]

My guess is they thought lifegain limited only by the mana you could generate when they had all these crazy mana rocks lying around was gonna be real strong

[leaden tide]

This would be perfectly reasonable if it like, cost 2 or 3 mana. Would cut it in limited and might even see play in the right niche deck.

[tepid stirrup]

2 mana or 3 with flying is exactly what I was thinking

[molten maple]

explain

why do people even play decks like this

yet another player who literally did nothing except spam removal and counterspells

what is the goal here

if youre going to play control at least have some sort of plan to win the game

[tepid stirrup]

I think you'd be surprised how often controlling out an opponent's wincon results in a premature gg

Their opponents aren't often thinking "all I have to do is get something through", they're thinking "this game is unplayable"

Control makes for a fantastic bluff because it is so aggravating, and for the opponent it often feels like they are not in, well, control of the game

[lucid jewel]

Trust they had a win con

They just had to control you 1st

[slender moss]

Also they probably run like 2x Riverchurn for that sweet sweet Lantern Control feeling

[surreal stag]

Turn 4 [[Unexpected Results]] rips a [[apex devastotor]] which rips [[maelstorm wanderer]] metor golem and Terror of the peaks, Maelstorm gets two enchantments.

absolutly nuts slot machine pull

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/bumbur95-gamba-gif-14352293880158182327

[turbid falcon]

https://archidekt.com/decks/18308149/earthbending_aristocrats
Made a lot of changes in the past few days to the decklist, based on performance in testing and in a playgroup
Readded some more removal, cut some protection I don't really need due to the nature of the deck, and am sort of considering getting amulet of vigor
I had originally included Spelunking in my original draft of the deck, but frankly it didn't do much besides that so I cut it
Amulet of vigor has the massive advantage also being a 1 mana artifact, meaning in practice my deck should be able to tutor it pretty consistently
Though since I've fleshed out that niche, I've found in testing those cards end up being far more tool boxy, able to grab basically whatever I need most at that slot
Removal, +1/+1 counter retention, card draw, sac outlet, it's all there

Basically it'll mean my earthbent stuff will re enter untapped

Which means I can abuse certain cards even more

[surreal stag]

yea i know what im getting into when i play this deck but damn its fun

[turbid falcon]

I'm thinking of cutting the Machine gun combo, walking ballista in practice hasn't had much utility outside of that combo

And overall I prefer the Bumi/ashaya combo for utility

[surreal stag]

W Ballista, cna go IMO. Lots of poeple just get salty when they see it. the Bumi Ashaya combo is more fun IMO and the set up is more enganging.

[leaden tide]

Oh make no mistake, I was complimenting your deck.

[surreal stag]

going more of a tool box setup is the way to go here IMO

[turbid falcon]

Weirdly the deck is very consistent but also just, slow to win

It usually doesn't win before turn 8 at the earliest

But I do have a lot of potential win states, and the deck is fairly resilient to a certain amount of removal

[surreal stag]

i have no idea how much it cost but i could suggest a 3rd GC....Grim Monolith.

you earthbend and sac it instead of paying to untap.

[turbid falcon]

The answer is, not cheap

[surreal stag]

do you owna printer?

[turbid falcon]

Problem is, earthbending usually brings it back in tapped

So that doesn't really allow me to abuse it

[surreal stag]

that whty you toolbox your amulat of vigor

gamble is pretty cheap but you have to be in a deck that doesnt mind stuff going in the bin

[turbid falcon]

Yeah no if I were adding another tutor it would be...that other white one I'm forgetting the name of

And text oc

Yeah no never mind, idyllic tutor isn't what I want

It only finds enchantments

Oh I'll probably include the flash artifact myr

Realistically I should probably add bagel and shmear but I refuse to add it on principle

I am not including a stupid bagel

It makes no sense to earthbend a bagel and I won't do it

[tepid stirrup]

I'll never understand what they were thinking

[surreal stag]

brb building Toph, UB artifacts only....

and i swing at you with my HOT DOG CART

[rare sparrow]

through the omenpaths is dead

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/marvel-super-heroes

(title doesn't make this clear but they are also putting spiderman on mtga as well)

[lucid jewel]

YASSSSSS

Let's goooo

I do love some of the through the omenpaths art tho

[rare sparrow]

i'm not a huge spiderman fan or anything but i've always thought it was bad for the game to not have the real cards on the digital client

[turbid falcon]

THEY FIXED IT

Also rip fleem

You will be missed

[lucid jewel]

They did this in the best way as well

So all omenpath cards in your collection will grant you a Spiderman version of the card so if you have one copy of fleem you will now have one copy of fleem and one copy of green goblin

And it will work just like other card styles

And the spiderman cards will be the default style unless otherwise selected

But you wont have extra copies of things

[turbid falcon]

Fleem survives

[tepid stirrup]

The only real improvement possible here is print Omenpaths, and to have similar UW options for every UB set

I wonder if this is the result of Snap problems they've been having lately

[molten maple]

Question: lets say you have 1 card left in your library and you get milled for 5, but that card puts itself back into your library when it goes to the graveyard. Do you lose because all 5 mills happen simultaneously and then the cards gets shuffled back to your library?

[spare harbor]

you only lose if you try to draw from an empty library

you can mill as many cards as you want, and as long as you don't draw you're fine

[lucid jewel]

I think that depends on the specifics as well as to where the card ends up and how it works

But yeah you dont die untill you draw

[molten maple]

Oh, so milling with 0 cards doesnt lose you the game?

[spare harbor]

it does not

[leaden tide]

Awww man.

So much for proxying any of the Marvel cards I might want.

[surreal stag]

My beautiful boy!

[surreal stag]

We’re saved!

[lucid jewel]

Fleem is not rip

[turbid falcon]

Toph took it's first dub tonight
Turns out shimmer myr + unwinding clock is crazy

I mean what I ended up doing was then playing Meria to make all artifacts tap for mana, mycosynth lattice so everything is artifacts, and from there winning was just a matter of making my creatures big

[surreal stag]

Hell Yea dude

[leaden tide]

Okay I'm a lot happier with how this draft is feeling. Still need to add a couple cards, but now I have an actual gameplan in mind. And I even managed to keep the angel subtheme!
https://archidekt.com/decks/22661835/always_an_angel_never_a_god_v2

Okay down to one more. Might just find a big Angelic beater

Okay but this guy is tempting.

[turbid falcon]

I remember drafting that for Tarkir

It failed me spectacularly when I went up against Teval what was a 6/6 and I lost 😭

[wanton hazel]

I suppose I'm glad Omenpaths is dead, the idea of having two versions of a set would probably continue to get exhausting

[tepid stirrup]

I kind of still think the opposite

I think they should print Omenpaths and have an Omenpaths option for every UB set

[gloomy pagoda]

Yeah, but that'd be putting value in the lore and setting of MtG, and we can't have that!

[tepid stirrup]

I don't think that's ultimately realistic unfortunately but I'd prefer that to what we have

[tepid stirrup]

I don't really care about the lore or most of the settings, is what's funny

Its the smell, if there is such a thing

The vibes

The pizza block is bad vibes

[wanton hazel]

I don't think I liked the vibes of omenpaths either, is how I look at it

but the new york pizza didn't bug me as much as it bugged some

[tepid stirrup]

Omenpaths isn't an all-timer for sure

But at least the cards look like Magic cards

[leaden tide]

Omenpaths was a decent execution. But imo it would have worked better with being a bit more cohesive and not just a grab-bag of random slush art + some extra commissions.

[tepid stirrup]

I also suspect that Omenpaths was very last minute anyway so like, I don't think it'd always have to be that mid

[leaden tide]

But that would require Wizards paying the writers to actually work on the set, which is a no-go.

[leaden tide]

Yeah it's like, back when UB was mostly Secret Lairs, how they printed Universes Within versions of each card and put them in the List slot.

[tepid stirrup]

I suppose I should add that it is more than just that the pizza block is bad vibes in its own vacuum, it is bad vibes that threatens to alter the vibes of what Magic is as an artistic statement, which is the primary reason I like Magic at all

[leaden tide]

I have nothing particularly against Street Fighter, but i'm so glad I can run this guy in my walls deck instead of Dhalsim

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Magic always had a particular vibe and feel to it, and while I don't think those conventions are as strict as some consider them, they did add a lot to the vibe of the game.

Like, back when they first made Avishkar, they wanted to do a steampunk plane. And after some iteration, they ended up on an Indian-inspired aetherpunk plane, a pretty unique take on the aesthetic.

[tepid stirrup]

I got into Stormlight because it had a Magic vibe to its art (which, of course it did, it used Magic artists, but I didn't know that yet)

It is a statement

New York City is historically not part of that statement

[leaden tide]

That "Magicness" of taking tropes and making them their own was already strained with hat sets, but it's gotten so much worse with Universes Beyond.

And not all Universes Beyond either. Warhammer and AtlA feel right at home next to classic Magic sets, they're not that much of a contrast. But anything that's just straight-up real world is....not it.

[tepid stirrup]

For as good as the Final Fantasy sets are I think it worked in part because they depicted Amaurot and Midgar (which are both based off New York) very fantastically and tried not to lean on them too much visually to begin with

[leaden tide]

It's....it's the same thing that happened with Destiny, where the people making the game don't realize the value of their own brand and identity, and just start treating their property as a platform for other things. Which undervalues how unique that 'platform' was to begin with.

[leaden tide]

Yeah. And that's also what makes (some of) Turtles slightly more palatable than Spider-Man.

The gross pizza spam is a 'no' from me, but other elements of the set looked like Kamigawa with the serial numbers filed off.

These all don't feel too far off from classic Magic art.

[tepid stirrup]

I wonder if they got those notes in time to curate submitted art more in that direction

[leaden tide]

I think it's also a source material thing. Marvel being "everyday superheros" vs TMNT being a whacky mutant underworld setting.

[tepid stirrup]

That's true, probably any superhero set is going to stray into hats territory even if they adjust them all to fit into fantasy

I mean "what if the superheroes you know except period piece" is a whole subgenre of comics at this point

[molten maple]

Idk TMNT was pretty bad too in my eyes lol

[tepid stirrup]

It was but Spider-man is an easy contender for the worst set artistically in MTG history. Not even sure what else I'd nominate tbh

[leaden tide]

Yeah TMNT is probably the closest. It claws back a few points from some of the cards like the ones I posted, but there's just too much disgusting pizza.

[molten maple]

we arent counting stuff like spongebob right?

since that was just SL and not a full set?

[wanton hazel]

SLs are like 6 cards, I wouldn't call that a set

[molten maple]

personally I dont mind UB stuff if it is at least aesthetically adjacent to MTG

[leaden tide]

Yeah I'd say something at least needs the full Commander deck treatment to be in this conversation.

[molten maple]

So stuff like final fantasy is OK. Marvel is really pushing it, depends on the character. TMNT... please no

I would kill for a cosmere UB set man

I feel like it would actually fit really well aesthetically

[tepid stirrup]

Final Fantasy is okay but I think very strongly because of the execution

There's a world where the Final Fantasy vibes wrongly and it isn't that different from what we got

[molten maple]

thats fair

[leaden tide]

Yeah. It has some good stuff, but it also had "gems" like 'Definitely Not Murchan Instant Ramen' and 'Literally Just A Car'

[acoustic wedge]

Oh 100%, Stormlight especially. Glowing magic knights is hard to get wrong, + the established body of official art is very consistent in it's aesthetic

[leaden tide]

(these are from the same game though, so maybe we should just dunk on XV)

[molten maple]

jsut tell me Dalinar doesnt perfectly embody Boros

[tepid stirrup]

I think there's certainly better things even from 15 they could have chosen

[leaden tide]

The problem with Marvel (and the main set might be slightly better about this) is that so much of Spider-Man was Literally Just New York

Turtles had this problem too, but it was somewhat subdued because their version of New York is a bit weirder and has an edge of fantasy to it.

[tepid stirrup]

And, actually, the ramen quest was as jarringly non-Final Fantasy to me as the Spider-man set is non-Magic

[molten maple]

TMNT is way, way too cartoony and unserious to fit with MTG

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Cosmere is on my short list of UB sets I'd actually look forward to.

(the list is 3 things long lmao)

[tepid stirrup]

15 pimped itself out to Top Ramen, Coleman camping supplies, and American Express and it was the same sour note as some UB, maybe worse

[leaden tide]

I love having a crossover in a crossover

[molten maple]

I would legit spend so much money to get a Kaladin or Yumi or Nikaro or Vin or- (you get the idea)

[charred ruin]

My mind still refuses to accept this is a real thing

There's no way FF15 suddenly stops to shill you, the player, actual real-life Cup Noodles?

That would be too insane, right?

[molten maple]

What color identity would Kaladin be? Mono white?

[acoustic wedge]

I may or may not have been thinking about how to MTG-ify the surges lately...yes I got into the game in the last 3 months, shush

[leaden tide]

Mono white personality with blue powers.

[molten maple]

It wont happen because they have competing card games now, but I wouldve liked a League UB set

just because I love the characters and it is very similar aesthetically to MTG

[leaden tide]

Some years ago I tried to hash out how to map each Radiant order to a two-color pair. I feel like it could be done.

[leaden tide]

Arcane was the second ever Universes Beyond, but yeah then Riot made their own TCG and never came back for seconds.

[molten maple]

oh really? I had no idea they did that, thats cool

which characters were part of that set?

[leaden tide]

None, this was very early in Secret Lair and UB's history and was before they were regularly doing mechanically unique cards.

[molten maple]

oh alright

ok ok

what color would Shallan be?

[leaden tide]

Dimir, imo

[molten maple]

I feel like there are a lot of potentials for her. Certainly blue, but I could also see her as (Stormlight Archive all) ||white and black with radiant and veil||

[leaden tide]

I feel like (Stormlight general) ||They'd probably get their own cards.||

[molten maple]

thats fair

[leaden tide]

Stormlight all ||And maybe a colorless Formless||

[molten maple]

Oh, Vin could be WURBG perhaps

[leaden tide]

Hmm, what else can we say?

• Szeth: white/black
• Lift: red/green
• Blackthorn: black/red
• Jasnah: white/blue/black
• Navani: blue/red
• Adolin: red/white
• Renarin: mono blue or blue/green
• Rock: green/white

[leaden tide]

A version of her. I feel at points in the story she'd be a good example of a black (or mostly black) hero.

[molten maple]

SA all ||make two Dalinar cards. Blackthorn is Rakdos, Modern Dalinar is Boros||

[leaden tide]

I think her core identity might be abzan though? She's a tough one to pin down.

[leaden tide]

I mean it's UB, we'd be getting multiple versions of characters whether we want it or not.

Though, like with AtlA, I think it'd work with Stormlight. Since the characters' personal growth and journies are a big part of the story.

[molten maple]

agreed

ATLA did a very good job at creating multiple cards for the characters that represent them at different parts of their character arcs

especially Aang, Zuko, and Azula

however... whats up with this bro

"Katara, Waterbending Master"

Looks inside: no waterbending

Wizards please

[leaden tide]

No but she rewards you for playing the Waterbending instants and whatnot.

[acoustic wedge]

I think partly the best way to do it is the surges too - not sure if surges should be mono or paired tho

[leaden tide]

It's not perfect but that's by far one of Katara's better cards.

[molten maple]

paired of course

[leaden tide]

This doesn't feel ilke it remotely represents Katara as a character. Definitely not at this point in the story.

[molten maple]

Its a strong card but I dont see what this has to do with Katara at all lol

[leaden tide]

I'm gonna disagree and say mono-color, just to make things cleaner and simpler.

[acoustic wedge]

Sorry, tbc I mean 1 color 1 surge - obviously they'd come in pairs lol

[molten maple]

ohhhh

[leaden tide]

Juggling 10 surges in a single set is already going to be a lot.

[molten maple]

ok I see what you mean now

sorry I misunderstood what you meant

[upper moon]

Honestly, I'm not sure if they'd need mechanics for each surge tbh

[molten maple]

a mechanic for each surge would be a lot

[upper moon]

More just focus on some general themes of the magic system for mechanics

Stuff like oaths and bonds

[acoustic wedge]

So the way I was thinking was instead of an entirely new mechanic, they'd be a mana ability that grants some keyword for a number of turns, potentially scaling with the amount of mana X spent

[upper moon]

Ah, that could be cool

Just one grab all ability for surgebinding

I like that

[leaden tide]

Let's see:

• Adhesion - White
• Gravitation - Blue?
• Division - Black
• Abrasion - Red
• Progression - Green
• Illumination - Blue
• Transformation - Green
• Transportation - Black
• Cohesion - Red?
• Tension - White?

[acoustic wedge]

Ie: Gravitation grants a target creature Flying for X turns

[leaden tide]

Let's start with the easy ones:

• Transformation: Blue
• Progression: Green

[acoustic wedge]

Mhm mhm

[leaden tide]

I also would want to put:

• Gravitation: Blue
• Division: Black
• Abrasion: Red

[acoustic wedge]

I don't know if Division is better as red or black

[leaden tide]

I think black works better for color pie. The only other one that's kinda black is Transportation

[upper moon]

Adhesion's probably white as it's Honor's surge

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Adhesion and probably Tension as the white surges?

[acoustic wedge]

Fair.

[upper moon]

and Honor is about as monowhite as they get

[molten maple]

you know what I would kill for though? (Yumi) ||A double sided Yumi/Nikaro card that flips every turn. I am begging WotC please||

[leaden tide]

Hmm. Or maybe Tension as red or green?

[acoustic wedge]

Honor is in fact explicitly mono white per brando

[upper moon]

noice

forgot he had wobs about mtg colorss

[leaden tide]

Illumination also feels blue, but then we'd have 3 blues.

Hmmmm.

[acoustic wedge]

That's exactly my issue building this lol, trying to do 2 each

[leaden tide]

Yep.

It's not like Destiny, where there's a very clear single color best-fit for each element

And 5 elements overall

(Destiny's magic system is literally the perfect fit for Magic)

[acoustic wedge]

Yeah. Theres so much overlap thematically with some of the Surges

[upper moon]

Maybe gravitation as red? I could see boros still working for windrunners

[leaden tide]

Hmm. Could Transformation be green?

[acoustic wedge]

Maybe? Its green or blue

[leaden tide]

Gravity manipulation is, historically for Magic, a blue/black power.

[upper moon]

Ah, fair

[leaden tide]

That would then allow illumination to be blue... I think this could work.

[acoustic wedge]

I think Grav def needs to be blue at least

[leaden tide]

This is...not perfect. But I think it works.

The big question is, which of Tension/Cohesion should be white and red?

Stone magic has historically been both in Magic's history.

[upper moon]

I'd say cohesion for white so bondsmiths aren't monowhite

[acoustic wedge]

I lean cohesion towards red, mostly because bondsmith scream mono white lol

Ope

[leaden tide]

The problem is (Stormlight) ||Tension as Dalinar uses it feels white, but Tension as used by the fused feels more red||

[upper moon]

Duality of humanity

[leaden tide]

I think it'd be fine having characters with colors that don't necessarily match their power colors.

[acoustic wedge]

Fair

[spare harbor]

I feel like putting a color on each surge is a bit restrictive. I feel like orders getting thematic color pairs (even if they’re not adjacent pairs for adjacent orders) would be good though

[leaden tide]

I envision it as not being a strict thing.

But like a "what color does this show up in most frequently?"

[spare harbor]

Mm

Honestly I think it would be a lot better for the set to not focus on order distinction too much actually

[molten maple]

this words nicely since there would be exactly 1 color pair for each order

[leaden tide]

It probably could get away with that, Stormlight alone does have enough going on to otherwise fill out a set.

[acoustic wedge]

The surges alone are a lot lol

[leaden tide]

I don't think that would necessarily be a strict thing either. Some characters are definitely three colors.

And I'm sure we'd get a 5-color Dalinar to be the "oops all Radiants" commander

[molten maple]

for sure, and some dont fit perfectly within thier archetypes

[spare harbor]

Maybe have one or two radiant mechanics, but fill it out with voidbringer mechanics, bringing back energy for fabrials maybe, etc

Though I’m 100% calling a cycle of class enchantments for the orders

[molten maple]

but it can be a good guideline/baseline

[leaden tide]

Ugh, energy is the perfect Investiture mechanic, isn't it?

[acoustic wedge]

But yeah. My idea for the actual mechanics would be "color pip + X X, grant [target] [keyword] for X turns - cost is reduced by X if ability is targeting self (permanent)"

[leaden tide]

Either that or charge counters.

[leaden tide]

One of those is a lot more broken than the others,

And that's saying a lot since charge counters came from the famously busted Mirrodin block

[spare harbor]

I just had a terrible idea

[acoustic wedge]

So gravitation grants flying, and that...the only one I'm 100% certain on lol

[spare harbor]

Day/night esque mechanic where there’s a chance a high storm hits each turn

[leaden tide]

You're right

That's a terrible idea.

[acoustic wedge]

Lmao

[leaden tide]

But it'd be funny as hell

[acoustic wedge]

Oh 100% hilarious. Absolutely awful, but peak funny

[leaden tide]

Another mechanical idea: (Stormlight general)
||The radiant spren as DFCs that transform into shardblade equipment||

[acoustic wedge]

But yeah. Was thinking abrasion = either haste or first strike, cause skating = go fast.
Progression = gain X life

[acoustic wedge]

Oooo yes.
Shardblades ofc have deathtouch

I feel like that goes without saying lol

[leaden tide]

Hmm. I feel like that'd be very skewing of the limited environment at common and uncommon.

Maybe (Stormlight all) ||Living shardblades, at rare, give deathtouch. And dead shardblades do something more mundane, like "when a creature dealt damage by equiped creature dies, exile it"||

[acoustic wedge]

Mmmm that could work, yeah

[leaden tide]

Also, easy bonus sheet reprints: The Sword of X and Y cycle reskinned as the Honorblades

[acoustic wedge]

I also had this as an idea: Transportation gives target permanent Suspend X. Yes this means you can suspend enemy permanents, it'd be funny ok. Idk how viable it is mechanically tho

[leaden tide]

Sounds similar to Airbending

[leaden tide]

The mechanically unique typed duals we deserve

[acoustic wedge]

Based based based based based

[leaden tide]

Oh and any Cosmere set would obviously need to reprint this card.

[acoustic wedge]

Well duh. That should be obvious

[rare sparrow]

makes me wonder how they would make nightblood. [probably some stormlight/warbreaker spoilers] ||how do you best capture that he's actually sentient and also an equipment? some sort of reconfigure variant?||

[turbid falcon]

Goodness lots of yapping in here today

[acoustic wedge]

||"The controller of this equipment must make constant commentary on the gameplay of the other players"||

[molten maple]

Guys: my Neyith fight club deck is finally complete! Cant wat to break it out this weekend

[leaden tide]

||Reconfigure could work. Maybe. I'm also thinking it should have some mechanic where it consumes counters off of you/your permanents.||

[molten maple]

yo this would be one of the best lands printed in years, no?

untapped, has both basic land types, AND it can become a creature if you need

[acoustic wedge]

||Oh I was thinking something even meaner: consumes your life lol||

[turbid falcon]

Also it's an artifact land

That comes in untapped

[molten maple]

lol, yeah that too

[turbid falcon]

Artifact lands are notorious for being insanely broken

[rare sparrow]

probably the best land not named tolarian academy or gaea's cradle

[molten maple]

also

why is it not indestructible?

[turbid falcon]

Because it's already broken

[molten maple]

but think about the LORE

[charred ruin]

It's based on the original dual lands which are in fact cracked

[turbid falcon]

Also trucks aren't indestructible

[molten maple]

and worth thousands of dollars

[acoustic wedge]

Toyotas are

[charred ruin]

Yeah lol

[molten maple]

and this one is just straight up better in multiple ways

[spare harbor]

Aetherspark reskin

[molten maple]

I guess they should reserve indestructible for the Toyota Hilux, hmmm

[leaden tide]

Stormlight ||Maybe it tries to consume some counters off of your creatures, and then if there's none left, it starts draining health?||

[spare harbor]

Having hoid as a planeswalker would make so much sense, except I believe there is a policy against UB planeswalkers

[molten maple]

aw man

[acoustic wedge]

||That could be a good balance. If its canon though, its gotta consume more Stuff each turn either way. So there's gotta be a mechanic to Turn It Off™️||

[leaden tide]

Correct. They tried doing that for DnD and (after some feedback) they decided that planeswalkers are a UW exclusive going forward.

[leaden tide]

Stormlight ||Have it only do it while it's equipped to something?||

[rare sparrow]

i'm curious if they'd ever do it again if it made perfect sense for the property. but i also don't think the cosmere makes sense as the one to have planeswalkers

[acoustic wedge]

Yeah smth along those lines

[rare sparrow]

cosmere spoilers ||like, hoid is just walking between worlds. he doesn't teleport or anything.||

[past lava]

speaking of stormlight in magic, friend made some custom cards a while ago that were only a little bit broken (whole series spoilers)

||i made a deck out of that kal card, it was gross||

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Early era Cosmere, worldhoppers were rare and mysterious enough. But not current era Cosmere.

[rare sparrow]

i meant it more along the lines of "power set"

like, if a property has people who literally teleport between different worlds or something

[leaden tide]

And I disagree, I think (Cosmere all) ||Hoid (and Nomad) are weird enough to maybe be PWs in lore, but not most Worldhoppers.||

Hmm. Cosmere ||Dawnshards as enchantment planeswalkers? ||

[rare sparrow]

i do not think they will do them again unless the UB characters' power sets literally involves something that works the same way as planeswalking

[leaden tide]

I disagree, Sunlit Man ||Nomad's Dawnshard teleporting feels similar.||

[past lava]

actually no the deck itself sucked, it was only good when i got to the contorted condition of "have a wide board with the commanders and Zada out, then cast a single pip "give target creature +2/+2 until end of turn" or whatever and turn into a problem"

[leaden tide]

Reskin Zada as The Lopen?

[past lava]

pffffff

[leaden tide]

No wait

Lift

[spare harbor]

I think what makes the most sense for a radiant mechanic is something that puts charge counters on the creature (possibly paired with an upkeep: remove a charge counter), then a static they gain while they have charge counters and/or an activated ability that can remove charge counters

I would call it infuse, but now infusion exists

[leaden tide]

Invest?

And could use it in different ways to represent different magic systems.

[spare harbor]

Invest could work, but I think stormlight pairs a lot better with charge counters than other ones

[molten maple]

I love the Syl flavor, she feels a bit overcosted/weak to me though

Kaladin is also a major flavor win

[spare harbor]

The reminder text I’m envisioning is: Invest N (at the beginning of your upkeep, remove a charge counter from this permanent. Whenever the Highstorm comes, put N charge counters on this permanent) and it’s paired with a day/night-esque highstorm system (but it’s fixed because it only checks if the highstorm comes If a permanent with invest is in play)

Is a bit wonky still but would be a flavor win for both radiants and fabrials

[lucid jewel]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTBR1UacY/

Oh noe cauldron breaks another mechanic

What a suprise

This is a bit nuts tho

[molten maple]

Cauldron was a mistake

[leaden tide]

Cauldron would be fine if Standard was still on a 2 year rotation, imo

[molten maple]

time to main deck rest in peace/ghost vacuum in every single deck again

[south gorge]

Has this been discussed here

[lucid jewel]

where was that

im curious about the rest of the stats

im also 34

[south gorge]

https://mtgscribe.com/2026/05/20/hasbro-2026-q1-earnings-call-notes/

Have fun

[upper moon]

Im glad lorwyn and strixhaven did extremely well. Hopefully it means more of a focus on universes within

[lucid jewel]

hence why i keep talking about 2028, changes they are learning now will take effect in 2028

[upper moon]

Oh nm, later on they say they're planning on keeping the same ratio

[lucid jewel]

[upper moon]

The final question is about the success of SOS and ECL, and if that changes the way they think about the mix of UB vs owned-IP sets. Cocks says they’re always playing with what the right mix is, and it’s a combination of the creative inspiration of the Magic team, the feedback from the audience, what’s available when, and the “vagaries” of release cadences. He says he thinks they’re at a decent place right now. “Could it be +/- 10% in terms of how much is first party vs how much is Universes Beyond? Yeah

He also said the show doing well might influence more universes within though ig.

He goes on to talk about the new animated Netflix series, calling it “killer” and “one of the biggest animation events” for fans that Netflix has helped invest in. He thinks success with the animated show could influence the mix of in-universe sets in a positive direction.

But i haven't heard of the show until now

So thats not a good sign for the marketing being done for it

[molten maple]

Could just be that it too far away for heavy advertising

Apparently they started in 2019, but ended up scrapping everything and starting over in 2024

Thats... not a great sign

At least they didnt release slop? Nothing > slop

[leaden tide]

I think I finally figured out how I want to build my mono-color Azula deck.

My initial (incomplete) pile of ideas involved a lot of forced discard for the whole table. Which I know without even having played before is a miserable time for everyone.

But recently I've been thinking about how Azula functions on an attack trigger. And how to get the most experience counters I'm gonna have to swing a lot with her. And I can't expect to draw Maze of Ith every game.

So my new plan is this: I'm still going to include a moderate chunk of discard, aim for maybe 10 cards total. But I think the main conceit of the deck is gonna be reanimator. Discard to put big creatures in the bin, swing with Azula and let her go to graveyard, and then cast some reanimator spells to bring them back.

Now the trick is going to be pulling this off. It's gonna be a tight balance and I'm still not the most skilled deck builder. But I think it will be a lot more fun than my original plan.

[spare harbor]

Wheels are a lot less miserable than forced discard

Oh wait the R is in reminder text nvm

[leaden tide]

Yeahhhh. She's mono B

Which is part of the appeal, I'm building each of the AtlA experience commanders as my mono colored decks.

My options for group wheels in black are....limited.

[molten maple]

Ahahdvsbaba

Do I need this play mat for when I use my Yuna deck? There are also sleeves and deck boxes Lol

Maybe thats too much

Nvm the entire stock of everything sold out immediately, ffs

[slender moss]

Dark deal is good, at least

[leaden tide]

Yeah, that one's already on the list.

There's even a version with Azula on it

[turbid falcon]

Whoa
Apparently secrets of strixhaven is the best selling in universe set so far
In universe is doing VERY well this year
Good

[leaden tide]

I'm glad. Universes Beyond has been bringing on a lot of players, but the worry for a while has been that they're taking a more 'touristy' approach to the game, buying a bunch of their favorite property but otherwise not really supporting and sustaining it beyond that.

This is nice because it means they're actually interested in and engaging with the UW sets (aka the good stuff).

[gloomy pagoda]

That or that's what the scalpers are hoping for

But yeah, it's good that there've been back to back "Best UW sets ever", it suggests true growth, and not just people buying UB cards so they can have a pretty Cloud

[molten maple]

In universe and UB sets. MTG just seems to be growing quickly

I think the top 7 or so best selling sets of all time are all from the past couple years

[leaden tide]

Pretty Cloud you say?

[molten maple]

Easily the best FF7R scene lol

[surreal stag]

which Final Fantasy is FFS?

[acoustic wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBIsZlV1jHk

[rugged solar]

I love this game. It’s arguably my favorite TCG. 😁

[tepid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-bringers-ff14-ffxiv-warrior-of-darkness-dark-knight-gif-17931680

[leaden tide]

I uh. I kinda like these.

Especially the Simiz one.

[stiff horizon]

the cats are giving cupsy yummy

[dense orchid]

That's just Yu-Gi-Oh

[turbid falcon]

I love the voids

I think Reverent mantra is my favorite

[leaden tide]

To me that Ruinous Ultimatum is just perfect

[acoustic wedge]

Now now, yu gi oh doesn't tap things

[surreal stag]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1huddleplay-lets-go-gametime-1huddle-5UAofAl6g5t1GL5nO8

[lucid jewel]

Let's hecking gooooo!!!!

[surreal stag]

Me and a buddy did a partner draft lol I streamed it on discord and we got trophy!

[molten maple]

So

I finally got to play the Neyith/Vigor hidden commander fight club deck I built

Game 1 was was awesome, I got a bunch of dorks out, tutored Vigor, then cast chain reaction + blasphemous act to simulatenously board wipe my opponents and pump my guys to the stratosphere and win. Exactly how I drew it up

Game 2, everyone was playing an ungodly ammount of removal so it lasted 3 hours and ended in a 4 way draw when the store closed...

[leaden tide]

So uh. I'm slowly putting together a Tarkir block masters set right? Today I hit the white commons and uncommons. And uh. I really should pay more attention to the cards I'm pulling.

[turbid falcon]

I've occasionally pulled a random foreign language card myself from a pack

Probably got mixed up in the factory or something

[leaden tide]

Yeah this was just in a bulk box at the smaller of my LGSs. I was trying to churn through the boxes as fast as I could (it still took two hours to get through white lol), and was just checking cards off a list. Wasn't reading it at all

[dense orchid]

Y'all I'm thinking about building a Rhoda/Timin tap deck

How disgusting would it be?

[leaden tide]

Find a bant commander for them and go even more evil

[dense orchid]

I want my opponents to cry, not myself

[leaden tide]

You have blue and white, there's plenty of vigilance to be had!

I looked in to building a tap deck myself a while back, built around that angel. It ended up turning into an Exalted deck instead which I wasn't the most happy with, so I never built it. But I did find this great include.

[dense orchid]

Mew mew!

[turbid falcon]

"Leave it to Steel to create a deck that loops so hard that even Steel doesn't understand it" -My friend after I managed to win

I was just digging for a board wipe before eventually accidentally creating a loop where I drew my whole deck and created that much mana
this was something that literally never came up in deck testing since it required like 4-5 cards to actually occur

Eventually I ended up creating an unresonable number of Munitions (I love Weapons Manufacturing) and sacrificing them all for unreasonable number of munitions x2 damage

I genuinely took me like 5-6 minutes of drawing cards to understand I could just loop it and shortcut the whole thing lmao

[molten maple]

[molten maple]

Oh my god, I just played against Rakdos for the first time today

dude swung on turn 5 and played like 7 big ass eldrazis for free

I was not familiar with your game Rakdos

I still won though, my Azula swung on turn 5 and I won by pseudo-storming on the stack. This commander is NOT ok

still, Rakdos is very cool, and hard to stop due to the flying and trample. It is highly unlikely all of your opponents are gonna be able to block, then add a burn spell and you should be able to play most of your hand for free

[leaden tide]

Uh, which Rakdos?

Lord of Riots?

[molten maple]

Yup

[leaden tide]

Okay, is anyone online and paying attention to this channel?

I want to finish a first draft of one of my AtlA mono-colored decks. And can't decide which one.

So if someone's available, give me a number?

[spare harbor]

blue

second option red

[leaden tide]

Alright, Katara it is!

[leaden tide]

Okay, rough draft of Katara done. Gonna let it sit overnight before I make some more adjustments, but if anyone has recommendations for things to cut/swap, I'm all ears.
https://archidekt.com/decks/19269933/katara

(pardon the jumbled mess of categories, I'll clean them up tomorrow)

The cards that absolutely cannot be cut are:

• Lab Man
• Jace
  And the trio of:
• problem kitten
• Ancestral Recall stick
• Invasion of Segovia

[spare harbor]

as someone whose primary deck is a pir, imaginative rascal / toothy imaginary friend deck with lab man as a primary win con, you might not actually need both jace and lab man

though the general way that works is burst draw into a way to wizard class and fathom mage, which lets me exactly draw my deck, then play lab man, then draw another card

so if your draw isn't as controlled having two would probably be good

[leaden tide]

Yeah that's my thought. I draw when I swing with Katara, and how much I draw is set by experience counters. It gives me some control, but not perfect control. Hence the three different wincons.

[surreal stag]

Soup deck takes a trophy

[lucid jewel]

Your zooming wtf

So much skill here

I have been slacking

[surreal stag]

its 100% due to doing "partner drafts" with my buddy who is very good at this.

[surreal stag]

5-3 witha quadrix deck

[leaden tide]

Oh my god I just realized that this would be perfect for my Silverquill deck

[lucid jewel]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTBYWW7Pq/

[surreal stag]

is that the one that turns it inot rocky from PHM?

[lucid jewel]

yes

[upper moon]

https://tenor.com/view/project-hail-mary-rocky-rocky-alien-absolute-cinema-meme-gif-18265800956845561317

[surreal stag]

My wife loved the movie btw

[molten maple]

I NEED IT

it is magnificent amaze amaze amaze

[lucid jewel]

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/817708107339874304/maros-magic-the-gathering-marvel-super-heroes

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Maro’s Magic: The Gathering | Marvel Super Heroes Teaser

Before previews for _Magic: The Gathering | Marvel Super Heroes_​ officially begin, I thought it would be fun to do another of my Duelist-style teasers where I give hints of things to come.

First up, here are some things you can expect:

• Some creature tokens: legendary 1/1 blue Bird Scout, 1/1 red Alien, 1/1 green Minion, legendary 2/2 green Cat, and 3/3 colorless Robot Villain artifact

• A new enchantment subtype

• A flavor word that references an Un- card

• A modal card that lets you choose up to X modes

• Another card that lets you cast a subset of cards off the top of your library

• An activation with six different mana symbols

• A CARD NAME IN ALL CAPS WITH AN EXCLAMATION POINT!

• A creature that can copy three different card types

• A subtype last seen in a Standard-legal set over two decades ago

• A card that can tap for four mana in any combination of colors

Next, some cards will feature the following rules text:

• "Enchanted creature becomes a copy of that creature unti...

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[leaden tide]

• “Ward – Get five poison counters.”

Now that is a fascinating design space

[spare harbor]

I really think gift and ward could go so well together

[turbid falcon]

Avengers assemble is definitely the exclamation point one

Also, new enchantment subtype is interesting

[spare harbor]

well he says "A CARD NAME IN ALL CAPS WITH AN EXCLAMATION POINT!" but also in the card name section there's "Avengers Assemble!"

[turbid falcon]

Wait but avengers assemble is literally mentioned later on, maybe it's something else lol

And, ninjad

[spare harbor]

so there's likely something else in all caps

🥷

lol

no spoiler hinting at a battle 😔

“Equip worthy”

I wonder what that's for...

i guess we'll never know

[dense orchid]

Card name in all caps is a Deadpool reference for sure

[rare sparrow]

I think it’ll be some interjection like “WHAM!” or whatever like you see in a comic book

[dense orchid]

I could see some sort of onomatopoeia

[turbid falcon]

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-oh-yeah-smile-gif-17833039109088088176

[rare sparrow]

oh yeah it's gotta be HULK SMASH!

[molten maple]

guys I just encountered the MOST unpleasant magic player I have ever had the misfortune of being in a pod with

they insisted that its not possible to build a cheap bracket 3 deck because "game changers are too expensive"

My brother in christ, you dont need game changers to make a strong bracket 3 deck. You can build an incredibly cheap bracket four deck with no game changers at all if you really want. Then they insisted my deck was bracket 4 and was really mad at me because I killed them turn 5 with an inkmoth nexus after they did nothing at all for the first 4 turns and I turbo ramped u nopposed. Maam, I am sorry but there isnt a rule saying I am obligated to let you live until turn 8 if you twiddle your thumbs and let me build up my board unopposed

oh, they also insisted on tutoring for a glacial chasm every game in every deck

[wanton hazel]

Well, Wizards does say bracket 3 should allow players to play 6 turns before anyone wins or loses

Not saying that person is right but the impression comes from the top

[lucid jewel]

okay just watched a vid and i might need to work on a deck

https://manapool.com/lists/f7679afd-bc97-4a81-aa6d-8bb987637fe3?ref=cah

cause ive been thinking about a harmless offering style deck for a while but this like does that in a really fun way

also comes out to like 385.53usd when i cart optimize it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhIlSBVDCx8

this vid specifically

[molten maple]

genrerally, it also comes from the top that games can be faster than that with good draws

[molten maple]

If you win on turn 5 every game youve made a bracket 4 deck. If you win on turn 5 with a very good draw when your opponents do absolutely nothing to stop you, its probably bracket 3

[tepid stirrup]

Less about pedantry and more a nontrivial nuance when you're discussing a deck's power level: if you can reliably (and relatively safely) knock another player out of the game in five turns you're also bracket four

[molten maple]

Reliably, yes

[tepid stirrup]

Which is to say, I wouldn't consider the ability to kill someone on turn five but leave yourself open to the other two players to kill you in turn a bracket four deck

Because most players won't play that way most of the time

[molten maple]

The game went went as such
T1: tap land, pass
T2: farseek
T3: Yuna
T4: Ouroboroid, leaving up 2 mana for protection
T5: animate inkmoth nexus, ouroboroid pumps it to 7, I play a goldvein hydra and sac it to my high market so Yuna moves its counters to get the final boost of power for inkmoth to oneshot

[plush bear]

God I love Ben Brode games

[molten maple]

Thats its a very aggressive, unopposed start. If she didnt want to die turn 5 to a very fast draw she couldve killed/counterspelled/bounced literally anything in her azorious control deck

[lucid jewel]

agreed

[dense orchid]

That's it. Time to build Azorius tap deck. No more Ouroboroid wins for you

[leaden tide]

Aww hell yeah, I made some killer trades last night and knocked out two of the three big AtlA cards I was still missing.

[molten maple]

what deck are they for? Toph?

or just for your collection

[leaden tide]

For my collection, I'm collecting a (normal border non-foil) master set of Avatar.

Though I do have decks that want those cards, I'll be putting proxies in the decks themselves.

[molten maple]

nice, those are the big ones

[leaden tide]

Yep. I opened a Wan Shi Tong a while back and made some trades for the saga Avatars. So the last big thing I'm missing is the Jumpstart version of Katara. And 8 other much cheaper cards.

Also I finally decided how I want to start building a Jin Sakai deck. My initial ideas just devolved into Ninja goodstuff. Then I remembered Tempest Technique, and realized I want to build him as an auras/enchantress deck. With some good stuff like:

[lucid jewel]

I LIKE BIG BUTZ AND I CANNOT LIE

[surreal stag]

id play it just so i ca yell it at my pod

[leaden tide]

Swiggity swoogity I'm coming for that
thoughness

[surreal stag]

THE DREAM! sac three things to Fell Beast, gain 21 life, play elf, reanimate dragon with commander at end step, sac token to legend rule gain 15 more

only regret is sanguine bond is still in my hand

[dense orchid]

Did someone ask for Phenax? No? Well that's too bad!

[leaden tide]

Oooooh this is a nasty piece of tech for Jin Sakai

Since he has flying, odds are good that you won't need to make him unblockable with Jin's ability.

So instead, you can give him double strike.

In which case he slaps the opponent for 12 damage and becomes a 16/16

[dense orchid]

Big butt you say?

[lucid jewel]

Big butts

Multiple butts

[dense orchid]

Big Phenax addition you say?

[leaden tide]

Ohhohohooooo, that's evil.

[lucid jewel]

[acoustic wedge]

That's sick and twisted. Cruel and unusual punishment right there

[lucid jewel]

Giving that double strike and extra combats is crazy

[leaden tide]

Yep. Perfect for Jin Sakai's evil avengers.

I went from having no idea how I even wanted to build Jin to having (most of) a first draft in like the course of two days.

https://archidekt.com/decks/18413757/jin_sakais_evil_avengers

Still need to fill a couple slots, probably with big creatures, and at least one more board wipe.

But I love how this is coming together.

Not quite as much of a mana wedge as Steel's deck, but pretty damn close

[slender moss]

Nobody tell him about Stonehorn Dignitary

[leaden tide]

Oooh that's a good one and very abusable in blink shells.

Might slip it in to Aang.

[slender moss]

I once won a prize in a meme tournament for using Stonehorn to lock my opponent out of combat for 5 turns

We love Stonehorn (pauper all-star too!)

[gloomy pagoda]

Oh hey, apparently the next Secret Lair Deck has been leaked via mispicking

||Someone got a Hatsune Miku deck instead of Goblinstorm||

[plush bear]

Wasn’t this already a secret lair?

[gloomy pagoda]

||A lair, yes, a lair deck, no.||

||https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1tpkaqo/sld_hatsune_miku_commander_deck_mispackaged_in/||

[dense orchid]

This is where my tap deck is at. Any ideas on what 30 cards I should cut?
Did I say you could untap? // Commander (Rhoda, Geist Avenger and Timin, Youthful Geist) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder https://share.google/DOwQkUgxJvXbeNOpA

[lucid jewel]

New card leaked for the marvel set

The tictok has some swearing in the background be warned

||https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTBjttsaB/||

[dense orchid]

||What is this, Questing Beast at home?||

[leaden tide]

SL leak ||More Miku? Damn they must have sold really well. ||

[leaden tide]

||Thats an incredibly WUBRG green creature.||

[surreal stag]

2 more 5-3 drafts one premier one quick

[lucid jewel]

Rip colour pie

It needs to die

[spare harbor]

||nah these are all keywords green has access to||

[leaden tide]

Yep. ||It's making generous use of how WotC handles secondary colors for keywords.||

[turbid falcon]

It's not too dissimilar to other magic designs

Notably that one troll

Or the dreaded Questing Beast

[surreal stag]

I am cutting Colossal Grave Reaver from my Slimefoot & Squee reanimator deck. It hits the board/grave and my entire deck just resolves around it and im not having fun with that anymore. I need a very cool creature to replace it with and im thinking of going with a big Jund guy/gal that does soemthing fun

thoughts, prayers, any suggestions? not Henzie.

https://moxfield.com/decks/bKLn-yXWwUmX9xxYtdQsEQ

the list for those interested

[leaden tide]

I vote Coram or Thantis

[spare harbor]

same

[surreal stag]

ty for the votes!

[spare harbor]

I think coram is probably better/more controllable, but Thantis is funnier

[surreal stag]

jsut built my Boros Goad deck in 1 hour 15 mins lol

[leaden tide]

Yep, also anything that's "okay no idea who's gonna win, but someone will soon" tends to be a good time

[plush bear]

I’ve got 5 colors, by god I’m going to use them all

[dense orchid]

I guess there's also the secret CWUBRG deck too...

[acoustic wedge]

I feel like once you pass 3, might as well go all the way

[surreal stag]

4c decks are either partners or 1 random dude, wierd world where you can do pretty much anything, i need to start looking at them

[spare harbor]

One of my friends has rule zeroed the nephilim as “legendary” and has some pretty sweet decks built around them

[leaden tide]

If I were to build 4c decks, yeah I think that's what I'd do

[spare harbor]

I think he ended up disassembling the ink treader one because he wanted them to be similar power levels to each other and ink treader was always too powerful

[upper moon]

I chose 4 color as the most recent draft I did (lorwyn) ended with me making a 4 color elemental deck that was very fun

[slender moss]

4c decks can have interesting themes more than 5c decks imo

[past lava]

whats a more interesting theme than jodah :3

[dense orchid]

Captain Sisay!

[past lava]

wrong, the correct answer is different jodah

[dense orchid]

Ah, you mean SpongeBob

[surreal stag]

I’m Diamond 4 in constructed AND limited!

[dense orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-bright-like-a-diamond-rihanna-diamonds-song-i-wanna-see-you-shine-i-wanna-see-you-glow-gif-13419490103795828708

[leaden tide]

I went in to the LGS to do a trade, and ran in to one of my friends there (she apparently got back into Magic a week ago after a long hiatus) and ended getting (lovingly) roped in to play a game.

I didn't have any decks on me, so one of her friends just handed me a deck. It was the manifest Zimone.

I think the deck was a little short on lands but once I did a few ramps I was able to get the deck going. The first time I manifested with Zimone, I pulled out a Dark Depths. Flipped the Dark Depths, manifested a couple more times, and then the next turn I top-decked Overwhelming Stampede.

That was the fastest I've ever seen life totals go down

[spare harbor]

Bro has never played against this guy

I swear you blink and everyone is at 20

[leaden tide]

Nah this was way faster

It was a 6 player pod, so we were playing 3 teams of two with two-headed giant rules. Each team started at 60 health, and when I drew that card, everyone was still over 50

One team just died on the spot, the other had a lifelinker so they managed to squeak by on 12 health.

[spare harbor]

Oh

Oh my

[surreal stag]

Pride Month decks?... Pride Month decks.

Im building Blech & Zoraline lol

[leaden tide]

I don't know if I have the time and energy to build a pride month specific deck. So I might just have Felothar marry the Walls of Ba Sing Se.

[lucid jewel]

i personally really love the most recent pride card i purchased

HUH THERES A LESBIAN TAG ON SCRYFALL

it dosent have them all but its interesting that it exists

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&page=3&q=art%3Alesbian&unique=art

this is the card i was talking about tho

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/1/e/1ebaafe0-3a9a-424c-8698-d26e7be45343.jpg?1778165075

[leaden tide]

Try "sapphic" instead, that should cover more.

[lucid jewel]

Okay so.... same number of cards exactly

But they are different cards

Hmm mabey not different cards actually

🤔

Ahh I redid the searcy

[leaden tide]

Huh yeah lesbian is just an alias of sapphic.

[lucid jewel]

179 sapphic

235 lesbian

[leaden tide]

One search might be counting different artworks of the same card, etc.

[dense orchid]

And it's done. At least, v1 is
Did I say you could untap? // Commander (Rhoda, Geist Avenger and Timin, Youthful Geist) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder https://share.google/NK04WpRQPmGG7jKk9

[surreal stag]

i cant decide lol

wait a minute a new contender has entered the chat

[slender moss]

Meren/Teysa has my vote

[surreal stag]

the matching printings does go pretty hard

much aura

[leaden tide]

Looks evil. Fantastic.

[surreal stag]

yea this is rude....i love it

[dense orchid]

If one of them was reversed, then that would be the pair. It would be meant to be

[leaden tide]

I'm gonna vote for this too. Even if Minthara is a cutie patootie

[dense orchid]

It was ruder, but I had to cut cards. I had the potential to tap lands

[surreal stag]

i cna make that happen lol

[dense orchid]

You may have to do Teysa/Meren then

[surreal stag]

would Teysa double the end of turn effect of Essceknit Scholar?

[leaden tide]

Don't think so.

Essenceknit's second ability is triggered by moving to the end step. Not by a creature dying.

[surreal stag]

thats what i thought

[surreal stag]

im about to ditch every instant/sorc in this deck and replace them with creatures that do the same.

[past lava]

did someone say pride deck

[plush bear]

Is it truly a pride deck if its isnt 5 color

[past lava]

they're wives

[plush bear]

thats cheating

[surreal stag]

i so badly wanted to go Zoraline + Caellia but due to a VERY LONG HORRIBLE running gag in my main pod/d&d table the "Gym is sa furry" jokes would be to much to handle

TLDR we started a D&D game set in a more grimdark Humblewood style world. the furry jokes started and never stopped. I then started playing MTG and may have mentioned when someone posted a Vraska card that i "would"

i sealed my fate that day

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/mfIisxl8tUeMmXXvexNkxQ

its a bit of a bear to pilot but once it gets off the ground it goes!

[sleek valley]

What a dumb card.

[wanton hazel]

eh, they don't have trample, so you're good as long as you can remove whatever trample comes up and make 5 chumps

[sleek valley]

Oh, they're mine; I'm not worried about blocking them. I just think it's absurd how quickly a 4 drop spirals out of control and leads to a lot of non-games regardless of which side of the board their on.

[wanton hazel]

it's not the only way green can pop off

[surreal stag]

^

[leaden tide]

Okay I will (grudgingly) admit that they're showing off some interesting card designs from Marvel today.

I'm not gonna post all of them here, but here's my personal highlights:

(the land is part of a cycle; only the allied ones seem to be in this set)

[native light]

i have 0 interest in this set, but if i was a comic enjoyer i would probably grab some of those alt frames. very nice and also legible

[leaden tide]

Yeah as a showcase frame, the comic ones are definitely among the better designs they've done.

I'm glad for the Marvel fans that they seem to have brought more sauce ot the table than they did for Spider-Man.

[native light]

they dont quite hit Strixhaven, but those are like the OG incredible showcase frames

[leaden tide]

Of the cards they've shown so far, only one I might actually pick up is Monica, and even then I'd prefer to try and proxy her as something else.

[native light]

a decade ago i would have been deep in the MCU and all over this set. so im glad its getting some love in the design front

UB is at its best when the designers clearly love the property

[leaden tide]

The new lands are neat, but am gonna wait for in-universe versions and/or proxy them again.

[leaden tide]

Yep. It's why Avatar and FF worked and why Spider-Man did not.

[native light]

Those land names seem generic enough that they will get regular versions eventually

[leaden tide]

Exactly. None of them are like "Avengers HQ" or something stupid

[native light]

it would be pretty silly to lock those behind a property.

[molten maple]

MCU

The FLAVOR

🔥

||Though to truly be a Thanos card it should be random what gets thanos-snapped, not chosen. That would make it unplayably bad though so I get why they did it this way||

[leaden tide]

Lady Loki is an interesting design.

Try to turn your Lightning Bolt into a Blightsteel Colossus

[dense orchid]

Bolt into Shadow of Mortality for max damage

[rare sparrow]

i am once again, like with TMNT, happy that there don't seem to be many cards i'd want from this set

[turbid falcon]

I like the designs and art more than TMNT

One of those is going in my prowess deck lol

[acoustic wedge]

Mmmmmmmm I like this yessss

I do think I wish to possess this card mhm

[leaden tide]

Yeah I suspect Prowess is the RW archetype. Which, is at least somewhat different from the usual RW agro.

[turbid falcon]

Of course it was hulk smash

HULK SMASH

[molten maple]

Marvel reveals

Oh my god this card is absurdly broken, no?

Commander and limited for sure, probably standard too

[turbid falcon]

Eh

A bit slow for standard

[leaden tide]

Standard? Yeah 3 mana is gonna be hard to cut its teeth, but might have a home.

[lucid jewel]

marvel reveals

||https://preview.redd.it/msh-the-unbeatable-squirrel-girl-making-magic-v0-shkt41jrxw4h1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=c002f056d67970c0daeafaaac3a25b7aa65f3284||

[leaden tide]

Commander? Definitely kill on sight.

Also, I need to soapbox a bit.

[lucid jewel]

there we go

this is the above it just didnt embed

[leaden tide]

(I'll try not to do this very often so I don't ruin the whole spoiler season)

But holy cow I hate the hero/villain typal stuff, it feels so forced and it's ruining what would otherwise be awesome stand-alone Magic designs.

I would love to try and work Sue Storm into my walls deck, but having the hero type restriction makes that virtually impossible.

[turbid falcon]

I'm wondering if any will fit into my Omo deck

[leaden tide]

I wish they'd figured out a way for heroes and villains to be a batching like they did with outlaws. That would have made these cards much more resonant with existing Magic designs, instead of siloed into their own self-contained environment.

[turbid falcon]

Though it doesn't seem to be strongly in blue green

[leaden tide]

Alright, that's it for today, I'll get off the soapbox now.

[lucid jewel]

mjolnir kinda has a simular issue

[charred ruin]

Yo the Fantastic Four creating an infinite combo if all together is really cool

[molten maple]

Wow flavor fail. "Invincible Iron Man"

Looks inside: not indestructible

[turbid falcon]

Omo, ignoring silly things like typal restriction, my favorite

[leaden tide]

They also curve quite nicely in to each other.

Torch > Fantastic > Invisible >Thing

[charred ruin]

The type restriction:

https://tenor.com/view/worthless-gif-25136352

[turbid falcon]

No you see it's exactly like the comics

Pretty much anyone can end up using it

[lucid jewel]

only legandary whites and reds can use it ?

[charred ruin]

Yes but "non-Villain" is practically worthless outside of limited is my point

[lucid jewel]

i was making a jok e

about how theres probs some legandary black characters who are worthy

but we dont get to see them wheild the hammer

[leaden tide]

Vision can't wield the hammer, but Elesh Norn can

Also RW has tons of ways of cheating Equipment attachment, so for a lot of equipment decks they just don't care.

[charred ruin]

That's true lol

[leaden tide]

Like, every equipment deck is running this guy:

[leaden tide]

ANOTHER SPIDER PERSON?????? 😭

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

[charred ruin]

Wait how was she not in the Spider-Man set?

[turbid falcon]

Also shout out to the simulacrum synthesizer reprint

That card is nuts

[lucid jewel]

this is such a strange way to do wolverines healing factor

[leaden tide]

Legit reads like a custom card

[turbid falcon]

Also, captain marvel being racist towards kree made me laugh out loud

[leaden tide]

-# (this is not what the actual card looks like but I wish it was)

[charred ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-gif-21563952

[leaden tide]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1tuz8bd

[turbid falcon]

Sauron being worthy is especially funny

And Nicol bolas

[rare sparrow]

i feel like mjolnir has "not a villain" to be more backwards compatible with existing magic cards

but flavor-wise would work a lot better if it required the creature to be a white and/or red hero

[molten maple]

Is the card real though?

[rare sparrow]

they probably thought that was too restrictive

[molten maple]

Not the art but the effect

[rare sparrow]

yes

[molten maple]

Oh man thats gonna be huge for my Nethroi deck

[rare sparrow]

what it actually looks like

[leaden tide]

Hold up

The basic lands are

Actually pretty decent?

Only one of them is New York (and of course it has Spidey lmao)

[wanton hazel]

lmao more spiders

[molten maple]

For people who REALLY hate playing against flyers, based

[surreal stag]

all my homies hate birds

[lucid jewel]

I love how Megatron is worthy

[turbid falcon]

The number of decks I've built that have gotten fricked over by the strategy of "play a bunch of dragons" is much larger than I'd like

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/C5u7mf2OZ0OacPaS9GIL8w

I would never do such a thing....

[dense orchid]

Jace would like to know why he's not worthy

[surreal stag]

he knows why

[dense orchid]

MTG story: ||He's just trying to save the multiverse and his girlfriend totally||

||Even though Jace is the STORMING PROBLEM!!!||

[leaden tide]

MTG story ||Yeah well his idea of 'saving' the multiverse involves turning his goth baddie ex into a nun or something||

[dense orchid]

Sshhhh semantics

[surreal stag]

its like the opposite of the 2000s banger from The Offspring I Want You Bad.

[leaden tide]

Hmm. I'm thinking of maybe doing this as a proxy for Monica/Photon:
(Expedition 33 vague)

[charred ruin]

As a Millicent player:

https://tenor.com/view/phobiamp3-kitty-furios-cat-angry-gif-26396978

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/RBHqgsY4LUuO6Fp1K38f_Q

Its not an original idea but the Izzit Deck is done and i can move on with my life.

[leaden tide]

Needs more Niv Mizzet

[surreal stag]

There isn’t more Nov Mizzet

[surreal stag]

At least not in Izzet

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210

Ugh, I have decks that need both of these cards.

[surreal stag]

Oh pym particles going in my Orvar Big Fishy deck for sure for sure

I had to have made the fairest Orvar deck in recent history. The entire point is to duplicate my lands and artifacts to play massive sea monsters…..and then duplicate massive sea monsters lol

https://moxfield.com/decks/KAHWZszfyEyDHOmu4PlUMA

It’s the only way I found to make mono blue fun. Just make it stompy

[dense orchid]

Cap's Shield would go so well on my Phenax deck ugh!

[dense orchid]

Have you considered adding Dandân for the memes?

[surreal stag]

That is kinda funny

Maybe one little fishy is okay

[turbid falcon]

For heavens sake
This guy is perfect for my Toph deck

[lucid jewel]

i would hope that a good ultron card helps toph

if its designed well they feel like they would help each other out

[turbid falcon]

They're not perfectly synergistic on the surface, cuz she only cares about non tokens, but I always find my deck gets significantly stronger if I can land mirrorworks and start copying artifacts. This is just mirrorworks but cheaper and with upside

[lucid jewel]

ultron is massive in any deck that makes a lot of treasures as well

[turbid falcon]

How so

[lucid jewel]

ohh

i read it wrong

[turbid falcon]

Yeah, non token

The only question is do I slot out mirrorworks entirely
Probably, the curve is kinda high

[rare sparrow]

Mirrorworks takes a lot of mana before it does anything

[turbid falcon]

Means I can't do funny things like copying mirrorworks but I think it being cheaper is more than worth the trade off

[rare sparrow]

You can make your first copy with ultron and also have ultron on board as a creature for the same amount of mana that it costs to get mirrorworks on the board

Ultron and the copies it makes being creatures is definitely a downside

[turbid falcon]

Eh not in my deck

I'm turning all my artifacts into creatures anyway

And lands

They're all artifact creature lands and they're all happy about it

And Ultron is liable to get earthbent

Just imagine it

Toph, planting her feet on the ground and bending Ultron... And flinging him at someones face

[rare sparrow]

Man UB has led to some very weird sentences

[turbid falcon]

Also @leaden tide because the whole worthy thing isn't silly enough, you can of course use a combo to make it equipable to any creature in the game
All you need is Leyline of Singularity to give everything legendary and Leyline of the guild pact to give everything all colors, or any other color changing effect because I believe it should stay equipped even if the color changes after

But 2 leylines seems like the funniest option because then you hypothetically don't even have to pay mana

Behold, my ornithopter now wields Mjolnir. The ornithopter is worthy

[acoustic wedge]

Lol. Lmao even

[leaden tide]

I haven't found good art/concept for Monica Rambeau yet, but I did come up with these ideas for proxy flavor shifts.

[acoustic wedge]

Oooo fun fun

[surreal stag]

oh god.

i didnt think about that

[lucid jewel]

swapping some of the marvel things into destiny things sounds so much fun

[upper moon]

Man, I so want a non marvel version of the cap shield for my defender deck (though granted, me not using it is my fault just because I'm too much of a vorthos to use UB cards outside of their set )

[dense orchid]

If you drop Leyline of the Guildpact turning everything into all colors, but you also drop Mycosynth Lattice turning everything colorless, that leads to layer questions

I like the idea of not even the hammer being worthy lol

[turbid falcon]

Not really, it just depends on which you drop first

Whichever one comes second will be the top layer, and therefore the reigning static effect

[leaden tide]

Yeah they're the same thing (changing color) so they'd apply in the same layer and therefore precedence would be set by whichever has the later timestamp.