Magic: the Gathering

[surreal stag]

OHHHHHH

i thought you meant like a person physcially took it from your hands lol

[turbid falcon]

No LMAO

That would be madness

[surreal stag]

thats what im sayin

id have been throwin hands

[turbid falcon]

Did I really need to order 3 resonating lutes
Technically no but I did anyway

[surreal stag]

i see those going up and up as izzt begins/continues its 3 year choak hold on standard

[turbid falcon]

Never underestimate my love of building izzet spellslinger decks, all of which I want resonating lutes in

[surreal stag]

I would love to think i could draft a brain freeze/mathemagics/together as one mill my opp deck but i couldnt pull that off.

[leaden tide]

Steel have you tried ManaPool?

[surreal stag]

or card kingdom?

[leaden tide]

There can sometimes be cart issues with them too, but I've had significantly less of them there than with TCGplayer.

[surreal stag]

the big three sposners we see all the time lol

[lucid jewel]

mana pool is my go to right now

[leaden tide]

Card kingdom is a lot more expensive. ManaPool meanwhile is usually only slightly more pricy than TCGplayer.

[spare harbor]

Manapool has been cheaper for me

[surreal stag]

good to know for when i never buy physical cards.

[leaden tide]

Also TCGplayer are union-busting scum.

[lucid jewel]

https://manapool.com/sponsored-creators?srsltid=AfmBOoqRyMjWo8gpUwKoqj7vx2FfLd9f652i4OOusfzAEQR_yXxe0Z9o

mana pool also supports some cool creators

[turbid falcon]

I kinda dislike card kingdom

I have not tried mana pool

[lucid jewel]

i love the optimizer on manapool

[surreal stag]

hey im new here lol

[turbid falcon]

Card kingdom has terrible inventory for anything I'm looking for and it's already just more expensive

[surreal stag]

i just hear those three names a lot i never buy anything myself

[turbid falcon]

You're fine I'm just expressing my opinion not getting mad at you lol

For example I did check them for resonating lutes and they have none, and even if they did they were more expensive

Mana pool I only heard about for the first time recently so I haven't tried them
I'll have to try it next time I go on a shopping spree

Unfortunately I am done with my current spree, having purchased more or less everything I was looking for now

Well... I guess I haven't ordered my Witherbloom deck

That'll happen later

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/mQJzO_fYZ0Wnl81HN67MgA

3 different versions later im done.

[leaden tide]

Aristocrats lifegain? I'm curious as to what the wincon is, Zlithora? Or just overwhelming opponents with expendable creatures?

[surreal stag]

many many tokens, eat your face

without most of the normal white bull crap

tutor for the big pieces, like Blech and then gain life with toekns on board, swarm people idk well see how it goes

[surreal stag]

Man I’m just gunna throw the other sos cards I like in this pile and call it midrange lol

[turbid falcon]

Wow

First running of the silverquil deck, just wow

I only played a few cards not out of the box in that game, and it still absolutely dominated the game (with other precon level decks)

[lucid jewel]

you changed the deck at all ?

[leaden tide]

Yee, what were your swaps?

[lucid jewel]

got my second full win draft with this set

really really enjoying this set

https://i.imgur.com/Q0xkS2d.png 1st pack 1st pick on my next draft

[turbid falcon]

I did change the deck but at least the first game it was almost entirely straight precon

Like I didn't get out my super state or anything

Okay but a deck I played against second game was especially hilarious

The entire game none of us had no any idea of what this deck was trying to do and it was only at the very end that he revealed to us that it was commandes I've lost to tribal

So he was very insistent I not be the one to kill him lmao

Anyway, I think I'm gonna up the board wipe count a bit, the deck performs really well on a limited number of threats, but if there are too many threats the deck just can't keep up. Also card draw was not an issue, Killian draws so many cards

[charred ruin]

Who?

[lucid jewel]

Good thing those colours are board wipe tribal so you have your pick

[dense orchid]

Damn

Austere command

Farewell

Toxic deluge

Shall I compare thee to a summer's rose continue?

[turbid falcon]

I don't need recommendations I have oodles of board wipes lol

Just waiting for a slot to open up

[leaden tide]

The what. How do you even. What?

[spare harbor]

that actually seems like a really funny concept

[leaden tide]

And people say Bracket 1 decks don't exist.

[turbid falcon]

So it was a 5 color Jarad Carthelion deck, which was mostly just basic lands and a few legendary creatures

It did all of nothing all game and the entire time I was just left very confused

He said over time, each game he loses he'll add the commander that killed him to the deck

Until eventually it might start winning, in which case he'll pick one from the other players
If he gets enough he'll turn extra commanders into a bit of a sideboard
After losing he offered to buy a new blinged out commander for the guy who won that game and have him sign the one that beat him and add it to his deck

It was all very funny

[leaden tide]

What a fascinating concept.

I'd be very surprised if that deck ever becomes something resembling functional. But hey you never know!

[turbid falcon]

As for me I was having the battle of a lifetime duking it out with the guy who won the second game, it was a Knights deck and it was mostly a duel to the death between us two

But he just had a lot of enchantment removal and was able to nuke a few key pieces and counterspell a few critical spells that left me just, very behind

If only that inkshield had resolved sigh

And yeah I lost but I made him work for it

[surreal stag]

is anyones favorite color pair/mono color blank on this list?

[past lava]

hi yes i quite like mono green :3

im no longer allowed to play it though cause @acoustic wedge is mean

[charred ruin]

Boros and Mardu are both blank

[acoustic wedge]

I never said that!

[past lava]

omg titania's back on the menu

[acoustic wedge]

Ah [BLEEP]

[leaden tide]

I sense a story here.

[acoustic wedge]

Like an 80/80 with trample that traumatized me one of, if not the first, game we played together

[leaden tide]

Pffft, only an 80/80?

Come talk to me again after you've stared down a horde of two 2600/2600 Scute Swarms with trample

[surreal stag]

I avoid all notably toxic cards like that when they fit the deck theme

never run a scute/craterhoof/etc etc

[past lava]

i dont run scute swarm actually

yea

[surreal stag]

a person of taste.

[past lava]

it's a landfall deck so sure scute swarm would be optimal but i played against it once and it was no fun so it's on my forever blacklist

[leaden tide]

Yeah I'm not interested in running it myself, but I've played against a Scute/Craterhoof combo and I can only laugh at the ridiculousness of it.

[surreal stag]

same

[past lava]

the closest things to those i run is i put moonshaker cavalry in the first deck i built and i only did that because i cracked it from an lgs prize pack at commander night

and that deck is so bad it's only ever hit the field like once after i put it in there lmao

[surreal stag]

Crackerhoof is in my Arthur ETB deck

its always a fun one to find

mayeb i just go Displaced Dinosaurs.

ive alwasy wanted to use that card.

[past lava]

also this reminds me of one time where a game just turned into all of us cheering for the one friend at the table who combo'd off devilish valet so hard that she got it to like, > 2^128 power

[turbid falcon]

Pfft my taste is impeccable

And sometimes the right thing to do is poop out a gazillion bugs

[dense orchid]

Hi I'm a dirty izzet player

[turbid falcon]

Ooh oooh me too

[dense orchid]

Really a filthy blue player, but mono blue isn't fun

You playing standard Dancer?

[turbid falcon]

Wrong you're just not playing fun mono blue

Just call me steel, Dancer is weird

No I am too poor to play standard

[dense orchid]

Ah yes, dancer was your father correct?

[turbid falcon]

...

[dense orchid]

That's why you do arena

[turbid falcon]

I mostly play sealed and commander

[dense orchid]

You for any recommendations for a fun mono blue commander?

[dense orchid]

Nah too boring

[turbid falcon]

No

There's another one I've thought about building but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head

[leaden tide]

I'm personally a white player, even though I don't like white much on its own.

But the overwhelming majority of my decks are some white-focused color combo. I have only one (very underdeveloped) idea for a non-white deck, a Temur deck built around Yasova

[surreal stag]

Urza

[turbid falcon]

Octavia is pretty neat

[dense orchid]

I'm not a monster!

[surreal stag]

Oh yea Kibbler just went crazy on CaH

[leaden tide]

Man, it's so sad that Urza died of ligma

[surreal stag]

Says the Izzt player

[turbid falcon]

We're not monsters!

[acoustic wedge]

Hey! Izzet is fun ok!

[turbid falcon]

That's greens thing

[surreal stag]

For you!

[turbid falcon]

Yes exactly

[surreal stag]

I’m not here to watch you play solitaire to ping me for 10 damage

[leaden tide]

The numbers say that yes, Monstrous is mostly a green thing. And a red thing.

[charred ruin]

"Who's Urza?" - Jace

[leaden tide]

Thank you for getting the joke

[turbid falcon]

I enjoy being able to present lethal damage at instant speed in response to silly green players swinging for lethal

[surreal stag]

But my dinosaurs!

[turbid falcon]

70 damage on the stack, waiting to resolve, take it or leave it

[dense orchid]

Send them back to the prehistoric era, I cast Aetherize

[surreal stag]

Shoot your local Goblin Electromancer

[dense orchid]

Not not Gobby!

[surreal stag]

3 cmc mander ramp on 1 and 4? Ramp to mander turn 2 4mana ramp on turn 3?

[leaden tide]

Erm, yes?

[surreal stag]

Yea I know. Not sure what to do

[leaden tide]

What commander is this for?

[dense orchid]

Maybe I'll build a deck around Talrand. No real reason

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[surreal stag]

Cabbage Merchant (Displaced Dinosaurs)

https://giphy.com/gifs/dinosaur-jurassic-park-chicken-nugget-l3V0x6kdXUW9M4ONq

[dense orchid]

I guess I could go with one of these guys, but I don't think you're considering fish man enough

[leaden tide]

I mean tbh it depends on how you build Talrand. I just have PTSD because I've encountered two different decks with him at the helm.

And they were both counterspell/bounce tribal.

[lucid jewel]

if we are looking for mono blue commanders

this is the way https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/1/c/1cb8e8bb-75a0-4b5e-b4b3-5d8f3795032d.jpg?1686968354

[surreal stag]

my bad this is what Kibbler played

[lucid jewel]

he has played it a few times

[surreal stag]

went crazy this week

[lucid jewel]

its his "only deck with rhystic study" in it

[dense orchid]

No no no no no. Secret partner draw tribal

[slender moss]

Oh man I wish this was playable

[lucid jewel]

what do you mean its totally playable ???????

[leaden tide]

Oooh now that's a fun monoblue card

I'm slowly, in the backgorund, cooking up a set of mono-color decks based on the AtlA experience commanders. Azula is gonna be a discard deck and there's no way that's not gonna be nasty. But I'm trying to make Katara more "flash tribal" than a pile of counterspells.

[slender moss]

Watcher in the water?
5 mana does nothing until you draw cards but only when you'd rather be holding counterspells

And in return you get mediocre tokens and if you sacrifice them then maybe you can get the value you would get from a common instant

[lucid jewel]

its literally "draw cards on other ppls turns" tribal

and it pops off ill give you a deck for it

https://manapool.com/lists/622d8829-78de-44a1-b8eb-03b8fca0e50d?ref=cah

[leaden tide]

Tbh if you're only building monoblue to have a grip full of counterspells, then yeah. But the color does have some variety to it!

[slender moss]

Yeah and the value it gains is so negligible for the mana it costs and the hate it draws that any other card would work better

[slender moss]

Fair but Watcher wants you to hold instants anyway and that usually means countermagic

[lucid jewel]

have a look through the deck i linked

[slender moss]

It does not convince me

Like it looks really fun but so many other commanders do similar things but better and for less mana

I'd have to see it in action tho, I could be totally wrong.

[lucid jewel]

https://youtu.be/BR9NLrlSIeY

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/iyj4v1WXak6S6xqwb-z7KQ

i think im too heavy on tutors but on the other hand getting my food gen online and finding displaced dinos is the whole point

need 10 gosh darn cuts

[turbid falcon]

Me: testing my magnus the red, about to cast an absolutely colossal Crackle with Power
Youtube music: i got you, here's thunderstruck

[leaden tide]

Noice

[turbid falcon]

Wow that was a lot of work on my Magnus the Red deck

It saw like a 10% turnover tonight

I think it should be a bit better at doing it's game plan now, especially once the new cards I've ordered arrive in the mail

And I did try out mana pool a bit, and I like it's interface

[surreal stag]

Took the plunge spent the wildcards on a Witherbloom midrange deck that took 1st-2nd place in the last standard event

Sub optimal lands but it’s lots of fun

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nu8CuKyALEaoakYg-kqatQ

4 mythic and 12 rare WCs later

[lucid jewel]

i wonder what set is going to be the wild out of pocket universes beyond set for next year

since i think they will announce them all sometime today

[leaden tide]

Maybe, could be a little early for that. I wouldn't be surprised if they hold off on next year's announcements until the magiccon in Amsterdam, in July

[lucid jewel]

nah im watching one of the streamers i like and she said they will be in a few hours

https://www.twitch.tv/amazonian

so mabey she has advance knowledge

[leaden tide]

Maybe, she could also be speculating.

[lucid jewel]

mabey

[leaden tide]

In any case, my pipe-dream UB for next year is Destiny.

Well I mean, that's always my pipe-dream collab.

[lucid jewel]

what about your more realistic guess outside of the pipe dream

what havent they done yet

[leaden tide]

The Professor pointed out that Hasbro already has the Power Rangers license.

[slender moss]

Cosmere

[lucid jewel]

oh god i do not want a full standard legal powerrangers set

[leaden tide]

Cosmere could be a good one, they could do a "classic fantasy" feeling set (even though Cosmere isn't that classic Fantasy) to offset all the "New York block" themes.

Also I'd be shocked if there's not another Marvel set next year, we seem to be in it for the long run with them doing one Infinity Stone per set.

X-Men would be the easy one, or maybe Fantastic Four?

[lucid jewel]

i wouldnt expect a cosmere set untill after the movies/tv series but i wouldnt be suprised if brandons push to create a visual style recently was related to a magic set ontop of other stuff

[lucid jewel]

yaa i would expect some more marvel stuff

[leaden tide]

My predictions then are:

• Marvel set 3
• Power Rangers
• Something a bit more fantasy, like the Hobbit this year and FF and AtlA last year

[lucid jewel]

what about then what planes are we going back to next year

phyrexia?

[leaden tide]

Hmm too soon for Phyrexia. Unless you mean a post-apocalyptic set on Old Phyrexia.

[lucid jewel]

yaa mabey something like that

[leaden tide]

I think Zhalfir could be fun, give us a solarpunk African-inspired plane with Zhalfir working with the Mirrian survivors.

[lucid jewel]

dominaria was also too soon?

[leaden tide]

Hmm probably.

[lucid jewel]

alara?

im looking through some lists and vryn or regatha would be cool too

[leaden tide]

I'd love a post-apocalyptic plane, like Gastal and/or whatever plane these two cards are set on.

[lucid jewel]

expand some origins planes

[leaden tide]

I think that's also fairly likely. I expect the UW sets will be:

• Return to a semi-recent beloved plane (Kamigawa maybe?)
• A more out-there return (basically only Alara is left)
• A new plane that hasn't gotten a full set

[lucid jewel]

thats where im feeling too something post apoc in one of those 3

[leaden tide]

Also here's a teaser for Reality Fracture from MagicCon Vegas:

[lucid jewel]

i also mabey expect something to follow reality fracture depending on what it is

[leaden tide]

Reality Fracture ||looks like the leaked Chandras were legit,t hey have the right set symbol. And also I'm glad they're doing more Prepare cards so soon, they have so much interesting design possibilites.||

[lucid jewel]

Reality Fracture || prepare is my favorite recent place they can expand into design wise there so many cool ways they can prepare cards and interact with the whole having 2 cards for the price of one stuff, especially with interesting repeatable effects||

[gloomy pagoda]

||One mana to halt play until a stream is done? Sounds like a great way to win on time!||

[leaden tide]

Reality Fracture ||I want to see things other than creatures with Prepare spells. Gimme Prepared lands.||

[lucid jewel]

Oooooooo

||How about a prepared enchantment ||

Like a saga

[leaden tide]

That could also be cool. ||Like the inverse of the Adventure enchantments from Eldraine||

[acoustic wedge]

||Prepared is also a fairly straightforward mechanic to understand. You meet the conditions, you can cast the thing. It just makes sense. Which means its easy to make new cards for it, because its not so incredibly niche||

[leaden tide]

Yep, ||And it has a lot of knobs to tune that make it wasy to balance, with the cost/stats of the card it comes on, how easy it is to prepare, the actual prepared spell itself, etc.||

[lucid jewel]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-mood-swings

what do yall think of this thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uf-1lbPvyM

heres a demo vid

[spare harbor]

out-there return Mercadia would go so hard

[leaden tide]

I haven't watched the demo vid, but the cards using sketches of MtG art makes it a fascinating collectors' piece

[leaden tide]

We can do better: Return to the Homelands

[spare harbor]

(pleasepleaseplease wizards spellshapers were so cool)

though I guess they just made spellshaper 2.0 with prepare

[turbid falcon]

Hm after doing testing with my Witherbloom deck I feel it's a little... Uninteresting. It has a single game plan and if it does that game plan it wins, and if it doesn't it loses, and in my experience those aren't my favorite decks
I think I'm gonna finally start sending on my Toph artifact aristocrats deck instead. It has all sorts of interesting stuff going on and should be a really fun deck.

Both are semi expensive to purchase so between the two I'm gonna buy the one I think I'll get more interesting gameplay out of

[leaden tide]

Yeah tbh Witherbloom to me seems like the most powerful and also the most boring of the new elder dragon cycle.

[turbid falcon]

For example it has the aether spark in it, and earthbending the aetherspark gets funny extremely quickly

[leaden tide]

Owie just thinking about it is making my head hurt

[turbid falcon]

"I move to attack aetherspark"
"I block with my aetherspark"

Also holy crap when did the Ozolith spike to like $75

It used to be like, $7

[leaden tide]

Yeah that one hurts. I think I'm just gonna proxy it

[turbid falcon]

I pulled it ages ago from a bundle of Ikoria

I do remember thinking at the time said bundle was a dud

[leaden tide]

Oh how the turn-tables

There was a time when Lion's Eye Diamond was considered bulk

[turbid falcon]

And this is why I hold onto my magic cards with an iron grip

Even when arguably I shouldn't

[plush bear]

My only really valuable card is Nyktos

[leaden tide]

I'm also a bit of a hoarder. Though I've been better lately about selling duplicates of things.

[plush bear]

I’m just waiting for devotion to return again and spike it

[leaden tide]

I have a couple. I think my priciest currently is a copy of Urborg from M15

[turbid falcon]

It's already $50 what more do you want

I was eyeing it yesterday

[plush bear]

Really? Last I checked it was $20

[leaden tide]

Though I have an Innistrad Cavern of Souls that might have crept back up

[turbid falcon]

I have a variety of expensive cards I've bought or pulled over the years

But most are busy being played

[leaden tide]

Yep. Cardboard was meant to be played with.

[lucid jewel]

only a few mins till the preview stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8_n61ehvg

[leaden tide]

Sounds like today's previews are just Hobbit, Reality Fracture, and Marvel. Though there is a "surprise" at the end.

[lucid jewel]

i hope the surpise at the end is the schedual for next year

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/bilbo-water-going-on-an-adventure-run-gif-15833854

[lucid jewel]

bearded lady dwarf token

[lucid jewel]

someone is breathing into their mic and its messing me up

[leaden tide]

It's one of the Wizards' folks, I think

Damn, they teased us with the One Ring, come on it's gotta be on the bonus sheet

New Fact or Fiction effect

Reprint of an older card

[rare sparrow]

so presumably we're just seeing the sets from the rest of the year today

if we're starting off with hobbit stuff?

[lucid jewel]

they did say they are focusing on hobbit, then realty fracture then marvel then a suprise

i hope the suprise is the schedual for next year

[rare sparrow]

ah, i just got in now

i'd guess the "surprise" is just a single UB reveal from 2027

[leaden tide]

Oh that's pushed

[lucid jewel]

i might have to run that card

[leaden tide]

That's a cool callback

Oh those book cover treatments are gonna be lit

[lucid jewel]

i like that worn red version of that

the one on the right looks so good

i hate most of those full art treatments they have been doing

but i can actually read the card

[leaden tide]

Also, it's just so incredibly nostalgic

[tepid stirrup]

||I'm kind of surprised the Arkenstone doesn't have some kind of specific Dwarf tribal effect||

[leaden tide]

Huh ||spellslinger Bilbo wasn't on my checklist||

Oh that's funny. ||They kept the oaken-shield idea from the movies.||

Wait that didn't spoil.

[lucid jewel]

uhhhh

that is some serious voltron commander

those are nice lands

[leaden tide]

hnnnnngggggg

Man they got the order of them wrong in their description.

[lucid jewel]

SEASON LANDS

i loved those from bloomburrow

[leaden tide]

||The mountain is the Misty Mountains, not the Lonely Mountain||

Easy guess as to which card this is.

And there it is finally.

As a box-topper?

[lucid jewel]

box topper one ring

GIVE EVERYONE A ONE RING

LOWER THE PRICE

LETS GOOOOOO!!!!!!

[leaden tide]

Another one

So the box toppers might be random.

Come on where are the orcs?

[plush bear]

@heavy jasper New art!

[tepid stirrup]

||Hm those boots aren't very yellow||

[rare sparrow]

no precons for hobbit, it looks like?

[leaden tide]

Yeah doesn't look like it.

[heavy jasper]

Let’s gooo

[lucid jewel]

its also a small set

[tepid stirrup]

Missed opportunity for a battle of the five armies commander premade

[tepid stirrup]

Cutting eagles and adding them to like humans because they've always been a weird inclusion anyway

[leaden tide]

Okay on to Reality Fracture

The good stuff

[lucid jewel]

realty fracture is gonna be crazy

[heavy jasper]

Goat

[leaden tide]

||Evil Ajani||

Leaks ||The Chandra versions we already saw too.||

MaRo!

RF ||Jace's alternate reality is called the Echoverse||

[plush bear]

||Wotc’s new cinematic universe, coming to theaters near you||

[lucid jewel]

oh dam jace look so good

LETS GOOO!!!

[rare sparrow]

back to this, it does seem likely we are missing something because the one ring is #44, so there are at least a large number of non-standard legal cards

[heavy jasper]

I need to send the new ||Tom B || to my brother because he plays that commander

[leaden tide]

Huh. RF ||Every single pack will have two versions of a character, a prime and a fractured.||

[lucid jewel]

thats an interesting way to do it

[leaden tide]

Leaks confirmed. ||Boy are those set numbers weird.||

[lucid jewel]

drafting will be so wild

[heavy jasper]

Hobbit ||I wonder if we’ll see another multi color Smaug||

||black red blue or smth||

[rare sparrow]

||this is exactly what i expected once maro said that it would be obvious what the weird thing the set was doing immediately after opening one pack||

[leaden tide]

Reality Fracture ||That's uh. That's the Chain Veil on Garruk.||

Also looks like ||Fomori ruins in the background?||

[rare sparrow]

new RKF art 😮

[leaden tide]

Hhhhhhhh

There's also an art piece I missed. I'll grab it later.

[lucid jewel]

hexhaven

[rare sparrow]

||dang even the hexhaven leaks were real?||

[leaden tide]

Holy aristocrats, Batman!

This is

||This is so much easier to abuse than the blue version.||

[lucid jewel]

||DIMIR MILL LETS GOOOOO!!!!||

[leaden tide]

||Each end step||

[rare sparrow]

i think that card is probably better than every emeritus lol

[leaden tide]

I love how this year has been a Strixhaven block.

[lucid jewel]

STINGERQUILL

[leaden tide]

||Hexhaven schools||

Hmm. ||Fatehold is very myopic, also reminds me of the Endstone from EoE||

[rare sparrow]

||vigorbloom feels very selesnya||

[leaden tide]

||Kinda a horror version of Selesnya||

Yeah this is a horror set.

[rare sparrow]

nightmare fuel art

[leaden tide]

Good god this is worse than Duskmorn

[lucid jewel]

this is fan fiction written by jace i love it

[leaden tide]

The other leak confirmed.

[rare sparrow]

||i think it's interesting how maro essentially acknowledged this card leaked out already||

[leaden tide]

||Jimmy getting a red Snapcaster, made his day ||

[rare sparrow]

||because he mentioned how a lot of people were talking about an old post he made about red snapcaster...which only happened because this card got leaked||

[leaden tide]

4 c commander decks!

WOOOOOOOO

And it's not even sans-black

[rare sparrow]

well, at least one new 4-c commander deck

[leaden tide]

The one they are previewing is sans-green

[lucid jewel]

this last art peice is so cool

[leaden tide]

RF ||Lorwyn 5 + Vraska||

[lucid jewel]

love me some vraska

[rare sparrow]

||4 color jace PW commander would be interesting, which looks to be what the face commander is||

[leaden tide]

Okie, I'mma tune out for the Marvel stuff

[lucid jewel]

ill ping you once its over

[rare sparrow]

i'm not particularly interested in this set but that art is a banger

[lucid jewel]

||https://i.imgur.com/tdXPxBk.jpeg||

[leaden tide]

Thanks!

[plush bear]

That is gorgeous

[plush bear]

That’s going to be so annoying to deal with

[rare sparrow]

dang they got paul bettany to show up

[lucid jewel]

@leaden tide marvel done

and the "suprise" was just paul bettany

[rare sparrow]

hopefully this one will be cheaper than the soul stone

[leaden tide]

Huh. That's a big pull.

Damn, I wish I wasn't right about not seeing next year until Amsterdam.

[rare sparrow]

would not have guessed it would be white instead of blue

[lucid jewel]

yaa i also wish you werent right

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/good-one-jim-carey-smile-happy-nice-one-gif-17079991

[rare sparrow]

i think part of the problem is that the soul stone is in a set with like, zero other value

[leaden tide]

I'm legit shocked this one is white, and not blue.

[rare sparrow]

the problem is that i think this one is also probably better than the black one

so it might turn out to still be quite expensive

[leaden tide]

And the black one is already quite good, best-in-slot 2 mana rock for any deck with black

[rare sparrow]

i still expect it to be like, $40-$50

hoping it's not $70

[leaden tide]

My guess then is:

• Soul Stone: black (confirmed)
• Mind Stone: white (confirmed)
• Time Stone: blue
• Power Stone: green
• Reality Stone: red
• Space Stone: Colorless

[lucid jewel]

even tho that makes sense i dislike the colours being shuffeled

[leaden tide]

Also did they say whether or not we're getting multiple stones in the set?

Or are we really stuck with 6 different Marvel sets? 😫

[rare sparrow]

i believe they have already said at some point that this set also only has 1

[lucid jewel]

i think we are stuck with AT least 6 different marvel sets

one marvel set a year for a while

[rare sparrow]

man, i hope they don't regret going this hard on marvel

[lucid jewel]

i think they will in the long run

[rare sparrow]

same

6 sets seems like way too many

for people to not get bored of marvel

[lucid jewel]

i really hope in a decade we can look back and say "dam that was a dark time in magics history but im glad we are out of it"

[rare sparrow]

i suspect that someday the amount of UB will go down a lot

[leaden tide]

I cry, but at least my wallet is glad there's one auto-skip set per year

[rare sparrow]

but i would be surprised if we have a year without a UB set

anytime in the next decade

[lucid jewel]

i dont think it will be in the next couple years but in the next like 5 years totally

just because of the turn around on development

[leaden tide]

I think the huge number of sets we're getting is largely the aftermath of, well, Aftermath.

[rare sparrow]

||but yeah, this one seems better to me. easier to turn on its effect (1 less mana, no need to exile a creature). and it triggers on end step instead of upkeep. obviously the effect is a bit worse but a conjurer's closet on a mana rock is still very strong||

[leaden tide]

My guess is Wizards planned on extra small Assassins Creed style sets being the main vehicle for UB going forward (since boosters sell better than Commander decks). They'd be their own thing, about 100 cards each and probably not Standard Legal. Or if they were gonna be, they'd certainly be less impactful.

But then the two ultra-small sets bombed bigly.

And they already had tons of contracts signed for UB stuff. So they had to pivot to something. They didn't want to go back to doing commander deck only sets, so they resurrected small standard-legal sets, something that Wizards was never able to figure out how to make work.

[rare sparrow]

i do suspect that most of the marvel sets were meant to be yearly 100 card sets. although i think this year's set is an exception, i think it was always supposed to be big

[leaden tide]

Yeah, this one was probably always planned to be a tentpole set like LotR and FF

[rare sparrow]

i think they were originally planning to do a single regular-sized set a year at most, yeah

hobbit, star trek, and tmnt all make more sense to me if you planned do them as assassin's creed style products

[leaden tide]

Star Trek being a small set is weird to me.

Because there's absolutely enough to fill out a large set. Multiple of them in fact.

But I guess they decided it's not popular enough for that?

They sure as hell better do a big set when they finally get around to the Cosmere.

[turbid falcon]

Pair him with the smaug token for stonks

[rare sparrow]

i'm not sure why. maybe it also started as a DW/Fallout commander deck only product

that would make some sense. TOS, TNG, etc. themed decks

[leaden tide]

Yeah decks themed around a ship/show would go hard.

[turbid falcon]

The Question

Help so much backlog

[leaden tide]

Yeah we kinda went ham, RIP

[turbid falcon]

Welp there's another $70 mana rock

Well that's a LOT

[turbid falcon]

Dang I'm disappointed my shot in the dark was wrong

I was really hoping we'd see evil Gideon because that would have been fun

[leaden tide]

Steel, pretty please, don't ping me for every reply. 🙏

[turbid falcon]

Whoops

Shouldn't say so much interesting stuff that I want to respond to

And of course you point out the last thing I was curious about, the Maro teaser about the set

How in the world is drafting going to work with that huh

[leaden tide]

Weren't there special drafting rules about drafting meld cards?

Maybe something similar for ||the paired cards?||

[sleek valley]

Did they say if they got the digital rights for Marvel this time, or will it be Omenpaths 2:Rise of Fleam?

[turbid falcon]

And they're in every pack?

[turbid falcon]

Fleam returns electric boogaloo

[leaden tide]

Pretty sure it's Omenpaths until they say otherwise.

[rare sparrow]

i'm fairly sure they've said every marvel set will be fleeming

[leaden tide]

Which, honestly is great for me, as I can just proxy the Arena versions.

[turbid falcon]

Petition to call it Fleeming permanently

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-you-have-my-sword-aragorn-fellowship-gif-7570611

[turbid falcon]

Genuinely I'd be like 50% more excited and 100% more willing to do pre release if they were just printed like omenpaths

[rare sparrow]

i still own zero cards from tmnt and spm

[turbid falcon]

I own 2

[rare sparrow]

i think it will be hard to avoid with this set

[turbid falcon]

Soul stone and for my own sensibilities the blingiest Black Cat I could get

[tepid stirrup]

I've been of the opinion that they should have been Omenpathsing all the UB sets

[turbid falcon]

Because I simp for black cat more than I keep to my moral code in regards to buying stuff from terrible sets

[rare sparrow]

it's mostly coincidental that i have nothing tbh...it's mostly that there's nothing i really wanted for a deck rather than totally intentionally avoiding it

[tepid stirrup]

Alternate mechanically identical UW art for every card that goes into Standard

[turbid falcon]

Soul stone was just too good for the Shadow the Hedgehog deck I was building

And how was I supposed to resist shadow the hedgehog when it gives everything split second, my beloved

[rare sparrow]

i have plenty of stuff from ATLA and FF and LOTR

those all feel magicky enough to me

[leaden tide]

That would be delightful artistically. But you see.

That would require extra investment from Wizards. And that's not gonna happen.

[leaden tide]

Yeah those ones I'm fine with mixing in with the rest of my collection.

[turbid falcon]

Black cat isn't mixed with my collection she has her own special sleeve next to my shiny Taln

[leaden tide]

There's two Turtles cards I want, both of which are relatively innocuous, I can just pretend they're Kamigawa

[leaden tide]

On the altar?

[turbid falcon]

No on the desk, sadly my altar is still in boxes

[leaden tide]

RIP.

Soon hopefully.

Meanwhile, I have a proxy of this guy I'm gonna put in my next order because I want it for my Zuko deck.

[lucid jewel]

im curious how silly this deck will be, reality fracture

[plush bear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/LxQQLzdu3O

[leaden tide]

As someone pointed out in the Reddit thread, this could be a case of both artists working with the same pre-provided asset from the Tolkien estate. Both the Arkenstone arts they showed are almost identical too.

[rare sparrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1t1mkf3/mark_aronowitz_dan_fraziers_agent_responds/ does not appear to be the case

[leaden tide]

Damn, it sounds like it's not even Dan's final work on the card? wtf

[upper moon]

Bruh, wizards just keeps pulling bullcrap

[leaden tide]

From what I understand; Dan's agent never saw the "final" version of the art (Wizards kept asking for changes), which means that whatever Dan turned in to Wizards was edited by Wizards.

So the only part of the art thats Dan's is the background, which while iconic to his style, is also the least originally "his" art, as he gets the marbled paper from a store.

The art on the new One Ring is barely even Dan Frazier's at all; it's an imitation of his style with his name slapped on it for prestige.

[upper moon]

Yeesh

[tepid stirrup]

They can't just roll back that card, they need to explain how this happened, probably accompanying a firing

[leaden tide]

idk if there's time for them to reprint and replace all the box-toppers anyways.

[tepid stirrup]

For reasons that almost certainly include liability

[leaden tide]

Whatever they end up doing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just lost Dan Frazier as an artist. Which is a really really sad and entirely unforced error on their part.

[tepid stirrup]

Oh for sure but I don't think this is getting just the one printing either

[tepid stirrup]

Maybe not just him

Every artist WotC works with is going to be asking what the hell is going on over there

[leaden tide]

Yeah. This isn't the first time Wizards has edited what the artist submitted to them. But this is the first time I know of where said edits made it look like the credited artist was stealing art.

[tepid stirrup]

And not all of them have the pull Dan Frazier does to just kind of publicly say "this wasn't me" and have it be taken more or less unchallenged

[leaden tide]

Yeah for less established artists, this could be career ending.

[acoustic wedge]

As much as I'm enjoying this game...gods I hate WOTC

[fierce dragon]

yeah

[leaden tide]

Yeah this is a...pretty spectacular fumble on their part.

And it's not like WotC has that good of a record with how they treat their artists already.

[turbid falcon]

Alright I'm planning on putting up a link here in about an hour and 15, be there or be square

[leaden tide]

Hmm. I suppose I was thinking later in the afternoon than that. I won't be joining for another 6 hours at the earliest.

[acoustic wedge]

I can't play till this evening either I think

[turbid falcon]

Hm well I'm available for the next 7 hours, maybe try at 6 and play for a bit before I need to play with my usual pod

[lucid jewel]

https://bsky.app/profile/magic.wizards.com/post/3mkvqoghxru24

Magic: The Gathering (@magic.wizards.com)

A message from Dan Frazier and Wizards of the Coast:

Bluesky · May 2, 2026, 11:00 PM

they made a statement just now

[turbid falcon]

well thats something

I'm inclined to give Dan the benefit of the doubt here cuz he really is a goat of the industry

Though it is odd no one at wizards noticed

[rare sparrow]

shocked to see this from dan frazier for sure

hopefully this is a one-off and won't lead to us figuring out he's been stealing for years

[gloomy pagoda]

Considering what Dan's agent had to say before, I'd want to see the statement from some official Dan source, but it looks like he doesn't have an obviously visible one...

[dense orchid]

The comment from Dan's agent and the statement from WOTC seem at complete odds with each other

[rare sparrow]

well, it makes sense for dan to be better informed than his agent

about how the art piece was created

also, not sure what to believe but this person on reddit suggests the person on facebook actually wasn't dan's agent

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1t24kve/a_message_from_dan_frazier_and_wizards_of_the/ojl7mwv/

[turbid falcon]

https://spelltable.wizards.com/game/dmJkWvr4Lk2l067x9Wz3Q
I'm gonna head into Gaming 2 for VC

@acoustic wedge @leaden tide the game is set up, join when you can
If anyone else wants to hop in but hasn't figured out how to make it work let me know I've been dealing with the interface for ages now so I should be able to assist with tech

[acoustic wedge]

Unfortunately I'm kinda burnt out, sorry. Need some quiet time

[fierce dragon]

Jazz killed me today 😔

[acoustic wedge]

I did!

[turbid falcon]

Well we probably won't be starting until at least 6 I just wanted to get the game up early

Cuz I don't know who will want to join

[lucid jewel]

I would also join but honestly the last 2 days have been hell

We literally got 3 calls about serious medical.issues for 3 different close family/friends yesterday

[turbid falcon]

Hm sounds like it might be hard to put together 4 today then

[leaden tide]

I just got home. I need a few to figure out a camera setup and then we can go from there.

[leaden tide]

Hmm yeah. I just saw that Jazz is unavailable.

[leaden tide]

The reason it was so easy to spot is because the ring itself on the new card looks nothing like Dan's usual style. So idk. It's a really weird situation.

[surreal stag]

I’m not reading all that but yea really disappointed Dan Frazier wasn’t given/didn’t allot enough time to draw THE ONE RING FROM LORD OF THE RINGS. Him and Hasbro/WOTC share fault but yea. That sucks.

[leaden tide]

He's also gettin up there in age I think, I believe he's 80. So idk, maybe art is taking longer for him too?

It's just a feels bad situation all around.

[turbid falcon]

Wow imagine my shock, mono green landfall outnumbers izzet in the top 8 of the current pro tour

Well green landfall, there's mono green and selesnya represented

Also ngl the trophy is kinda just straight up gorgeous, love the lotus

[lucid jewel]

okay but its like spellamentals and monogreen and selesnya and izzet and theres some key differences in the izzet decks

like its a pretty varied top 8

[turbid falcon]

No I was just expecting more izzet given standard at the moment
I'm not complaining lol

Man the harmonizer is brutal

[lucid jewel]

harmonizer is massive

[turbid falcon]

Absolutely walloped there

[lucid jewel]

i was suprised by how well selesnya landfall is doing

but like the landfall package is small enough that you can put in some of that white splash removal

[turbid falcon]

Yeah I saw erode in the decklist

Which I'm sure can also double as additional landfall lmao

[lucid jewel]

it is used to like erode a fabeled passage

and then get like tripple landfal from it

[turbid falcon]

New maxim, bolt the badger

[lucid jewel]

i like the mossborn hydra sideboard vs the spellementals

im assuming your watching live right @turbid falcon

[turbid falcon]

Yes

[lucid jewel]

im rooting for christofer larson in this match

i think he can get the win relativly ez

[turbid falcon]

Actually my first time ever watching live

[lucid jewel]

i love watching this stuff live because of all the intergation and being able to see their hands and stuff

[turbid falcon]

So long as he can fight through the removal, definitely

If Matt can land the sunderflock it probably loses Chris said game

[lucid jewel]

nah the mossborn hydras get past the sunderflock

[turbid falcon]

Ohhhhhh

You're totally right

[lucid jewel]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/7/0/7054a0d7-396f-40b4-ab24-db591c3b08f0.jpg?1730488992

he sideboarded in like 4 of them i think

or at least a couple of them

[turbid falcon]

I killed my friend with that card last night

[lucid jewel]

nice

after this tournement i might play some landfall

gotten some spicy ideas for a good best of 3 deck

[turbid falcon]

So basically if he doesn't remove the hydra on sight he's dead

[lucid jewel]

i liek the lumbering worldwagon as well

maxx is on a relativly tight turn clock in general vs this deck

in a deck that needs a little time to build

[turbid falcon]

Ah, izzet spellementals, defeated by an elemental

Only one izzet deck surviving to the semis lol

[turbid falcon]

Ah man I missed the last match entirely, who won

[leaden tide]

I think everyone was expecting more Izzet, and Landfall fares best against the various flavors so it was able to rise to the top of the packed field.

[lucid jewel]

the selesyna was the key here i think with erode being the star imo

[turbid falcon]

Man I just love watching them play

[leaden tide]

You mean the 1 mana instant speed removal is good?

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-latina-gasp-in-spanish-dramatic-soap-opera-gif-12960529119319901085

[turbid falcon]

They're so efficient with their movements and everything

[leaden tide]

What platforms are y'all watching on?

[turbid falcon]

Youtube

[dense orchid]

Wait, Wizards essentially reprinted Path to Exile in standard?

[turbid falcon]

Pretty much, though not as good but also better depending on how much play Planeswalkers see after Reality fracture

[leaden tide]

Path to Graveyard, technically

[lucid jewel]

im watching through this stream https://www.twitch.tv/amazonian

[turbid falcon]

Man nothing like watching the ourobouoid snowball to insane levela

[leaden tide]

So distinclty weaker in most formats but still like, A-tier white removal at least.

[lucid jewel]

it just plays so well with doing it to your own creatures too

in this deck

if needed

[dense orchid]

Screw you Ouroboroid. At least you're a UW card rather than a UB card

[lucid jewel]

so like some ppl have won because of an extra doubling

[turbid falcon]

The board is clogged up but I think Ouro takes the long game if nothing changes

His creatures are just gonna be so much bigger

[leaden tide]

Looks like a Selesnya mirror match right now?

[turbid falcon]

Landfall vs Ouro

[carmine nimbus]

Oh hey, some live event going on? Perfect time to drop a mod message in the thread 😌

Hey folks! We've received a request for a rules change in #17s and as none of us mods are very active here in the thread, we've wanted to ask you here what you think about it.

As you may be aware, currently the rules state that all unreleased cards and discussion about them must be spoiler-tagged, even if they were officially known already. The new rule would be that all officially-published material can be discussed untagged, even if the cards in question are not yet available for play or purchase. In this case, only leaks (and cards that spoil the plot of other franchises) would require spoiler-tagging here.

How would y'all feel about this?

[leaden tide]

All I hear is +1/+1 counter spam vs +1/+1 counter spam

[leaden tide]

I'm fully in support of this. This is what I'd hoped for back when I last initiated this conversation, and ended up accidentally precipitating a much stricter rule than I'd hoped

[turbid falcon]

Landfall definitely has the better early game, ouroboroid better late game

[leaden tide]

64 counters

[lucid jewel]

this is kinda what we were arguing for previously

i like this

[upper moon]

I like this for sure. My concern back in the original discussion of spoilers was spoilers for the media, not the cards themselves

[rare sparrow]

my main question is "what counts as a media spoiler" for a universe beyond card

like, just thinking of final fantasy, many cards' names/arts could be considered to be out of context spoilers

e.g.

[turbid falcon]

I'd say unless it consists of a specific plot spoiler, they're primarily game pieces for the discussion of this thread

[rare sparrow]

ffxiv spoilers: ||the fact that emet-selch unsundered transforms into hades is a pretty big climactic moment in ffxiv||

[turbid falcon]

If you want to discuss them in the context of the plot they come from, that would be spoiled, but the card itself it just a card

At least that's my opinion

[rare sparrow]

||and just saying that one transforms into the other could be considered a spoiler, but is a pretty inherent property of the card||

[turbid falcon]

Things is with that card I wouldn't even know that's a spoiler, it's just a card to me

If I slot it into a deck it's there as a game piece, nothing more

[rare sparrow]

yeah, there's a lot that is "i have no idea what this is saying" type spoilers but could be large spoilers to people who have started playing some ffxiv

or similar for any final fantasy game

or for another example, this card's rules text could be said to basically spoil the climax of season 1 of ATLA

but also i think out of context if you've never seen the show would just maybe be confusing

[leaden tide]

iirc that's how we ended up with the strict rule; The mods couldn't figure out a definition for this.

[turbid falcon]

Then we leave UB spoiled

Or well, story UB stuff

Like FF and ATLA, whereas idk spiderman can probably safely be left unspoiled

But all actual in universe stuff officially revealed by wizards can be left unspoiled

But details of the story can be left spoiled

So for this upcoming year, we leave Hobbit and Star Trek spoiled, cuz that spoils specific stories, and marvel can be left unspoiled

[lucid jewel]

i think matt nass might loose this

theres like a chance he dosent get into the grand final which wasnt predicted

[turbid falcon]

Depends on if Nathan draws the lands

[lucid jewel]

he looks super stressed too

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/zuko-avatar-the-last-airbender-that's-rough-buddy-funny-reaction-gif-2143103825121898798

[turbid falcon]

You know glamdring I resisted posting that only for you to do so anyway

There is also something to be said for simplicity in spoiler policy

So you could say
All UB is spoiled. All officially revealed in universe is unspoiled. Leaks are spoiled. Story is spoiled.

[lucid jewel]

HAHAHA THAT CARD FLIP wow

[turbid falcon]

This will reduce the amount of spoilers required but should also align with server spoiler rules while also being just relatively simple to remember

[carmine nimbus]

To be clear, we're not discussing the rewording of the rule about story spoilers, just the one about unreleased-but-revealed cards

[leaden tide]

Appreciate ya, you're a real one

[rare sparrow]

I think my problem with “all ub is spoiled” comes down to the fact that even card names of some UB cards could be considered spoilers

[lucid jewel]

its gonna be mono green landfall vs selesnya landfall

[turbid falcon]

I don't think there's any debate on that

Just UB

[lucid jewel]

well if chris larson wins

[rare sparrow]

I’m not arguing to change it, I think there’s just lack of clarity to me on what counts as a “other media spoiler”

[carmine nimbus]

Fair enough, that's gonna be something for us to look into

[turbid falcon]

sigh this would be much easier if Ub didn't exist

[rare sparrow]

Agreed

[turbid falcon]

Yeah we still got izzet lessons vs landfall

[leaden tide]

Especially because the UB things have such variance in spoiler level. One of these is vastly more spoilerific than the other

[turbid falcon]

Exacrly

[leaden tide]

Like the first thing is something everyone knows about the Hobbit, even if they haven't read it. Second one is the climactic scene of AtlA.

[turbid falcon]

Clearly the party is a massive spoiler

Then there's the added layer of them being, like I've said, game pieces first and foremost

So I can play happily with cards that technically spoil a game I've never played and never will play

[lucid jewel]

i cant wait to have a dwarf tribal deck post hobbit tho

theres probs gonna be some really solid dwarf tribal things

[turbid falcon]

What's her name stonks

Red commander

[lucid jewel]

magda

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/0/7/079e6263-e54c-4899-a336-5315909b9322.jpg?1631049453

shes quite stonks

and will actually be really decent stonks with the new smaug

[turbid falcon]

Frankly I'd personally prefer to just have everything be unspoiled and have any discussion of ANY details be spoiled, but I'm also not holding my breath for that to happen, given the servers spoiler standards

[carmine nimbus]

Generally speaking, our intention with the current rule about plot spoilers is that if a card spoils a major plot twist, story moment or arc, then it needs to be spoiler-tagged; in other words, if it's something you'd spoiler-tag in #1364954411582885899 , you should also tag it here.

That all said, thank you all for your opinions, and the discussion! We'll talk it over among us mods and get back to you on this.

[turbid falcon]

But again that runs into the problem of running cards that you don't know are spoilers

But yeah generally I agree

[leaden tide]

Yeah I have no idea what in the FF set is a spoiler at all.

Like, I'm pretty sure the instant ramen card isn't a big spoiler. But I'm not 100% on that

OH MY GOD BRIAN AND OLIVIA LOOK SO AMAZING, THEY GOT MARRIED ON WEDNESDAY!

[rare sparrow]

Are they on the main pro tour stream? That’s surprising

[leaden tide]

Nah, the streamer Latter linked above swapped to them real quick

They are wearing their wedding outfits

[rare sparrow]

Ah ok

[turbid falcon]

THEY DID?

Good for them

[plush bear]

Omg!

[lucid jewel]

YES THAT DRESS

she looks amazing today

[lucid jewel]

i have the commander at home stream going at this link on my pc and the pro tour going on the tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyskyOf1Ydw

[leaden tide]

I'll probably watch the episode when they post it later

[leaden tide]

Also Brian's hair is impecable, as always

[dense orchid]

Pics for the plebs not watching the stream?

[leaden tide]

Dude turned into a Norse god

[lucid jewel]

ive watched so much commander at home that every time i see him in his competative days he looks so weird

like really has turned into a norse god

[leaden tide]

I know right? He went from kinda a doughy-looking nerd to a gigachad

[lucid jewel]

he even looks relativly wide and like he works out too

[leaden tide]

Yeah. They both look absolutely radiant today.

[dense orchid]

SLA general: ||I wish I could see spren. There would absolutely be gloryspren there||

[leaden tide]

Damn Standard is such a fast format these days

I think Chris has this next turn.

[lucid jewel]

i think so too

i had a feeleing it would be chris in the grand final

rui looked so strong yesterday tho

[turbid falcon]

Man earthbending is such a a crazy mechanic

[leaden tide]

And Chris is through. Holy cow that was a brutal beatdown

Poor Rui

[lucid jewel]

its gonna be a mirror match from team mates in the final

[leaden tide]

This is gonna be hilarious.

[lucid jewel]

the decks are slightly different lol but not much different

[leaden tide]

"Just rided the chicken-train"

[turbid falcon]

The chicken train

[lucid jewel]

he looks so tired

this is such a marathon

idk if i could ever do this its just such a mental marathon

[leaden tide]

I couldn't imagine. Playing Magic for 3 days straight.

And not casual, you gotta be locked in.

[turbid falcon]

Oh wow bringing up the Goat

[lucid jewel]

not just playing magic, but playing magic at the top level

[leaden tide]

Damn the main decks in the finals are different by 1 card

[lucid jewel]

i can say for sure that selesnya landfall will be the top deck today

[leaden tide]

This is so silly

[dense orchid]

Wow

I was wondering if my deck could beat those, and the answer is yes but it would be hard

[lucid jewel]

back to back individual pro tours is crazy if he wins

he looks so happy they both do

this is amazing

you can really see just how much they have played against each other

[turbid falcon]

Neat bit of tech there, exiling the land before it can return

[leaden tide]

Damn this is so grindy, this game has taken basically as long as Chris's last entire match.

[lucid jewel]

the mirror here will take all night

lol

damm

that erode back and forth was cool

[turbid falcon]

Cost Larsen the game tho

I think?

Yeah

[leaden tide]

Gosh they both look kinda baked

[turbid falcon]

Ahhh the erode off again

Man earthbending is just so nuts

[lucid jewel]

it really has been so nuts

the erode off again ending the game

[turbid falcon]

Man that was GRINDY

Wasn't expecting the mirror match to be so interesting

[leaden tide]

God that took friggin forever

Even after they both got such fast starts

[turbid falcon]

Compared to how fast each of their earlier games

[leaden tide]

1-1 going in to sideboarding

wtf are they even going to sideboard?

[turbid falcon]

But the decks kinda stall against each other

Who knows

[leaden tide]

Because they can just do the same changes?

[lucid jewel]

mossborn hydra

[turbid falcon]

Honestly I'd say bring in the hydra

[lucid jewel]

they will both have 4 copies of them

[turbid falcon]

For the trample, which seems very relevant

[lucid jewel]

yaa and they will drop those cards that draw when someone targets a boy

[leaden tide]

Yeah, they're both gonna probably make similar changes, might make the games go a bit faster.

[turbid falcon]

Trample will make things faster for sure

The boards got really clogged

[leaden tide]

It will be interesting to see how Mossborn goes with Erodes in hand

[turbid falcon]

The erode is crazy

Removal but also pump

[leaden tide]

Because if you target your own thing, have a Mightform Harmonizer on the board, Mossborn is gonna quadruple

[turbid falcon]

Big damage

[lucid jewel]

sheltered by ghosts is interesting in this too

the life gain will be i think big

[leaden tide]

I do think it's still gonna come down to who flinches and Erodes first

[turbid falcon]

Not them strategizing together over the finals table

So cute

[leaden tide]

It's great

[turbid falcon]

Good assumption

[lucid jewel]

these two

are great the current conversation is just brilliant

such nerds

[leaden tide]

Lmao they're both crashing and need snacks

[turbid falcon]

Don't make the guy buy a Coke please just give him one 😂

[lucid jewel]

mabey i need to put erode in some of my decks

[leaden tide]

Kitty!

[lucid jewel]

her kitty is super cute

theres always heaps of kitty on screen time

[leaden tide]

Hilarious time to take a screenshot

[lucid jewel]

lol

[leaden tide]

Big "I can milk you" vibes

[lucid jewel]

i might even put erode in my bnuuy deck just as another thing to do on other ppls turns to get more cards flowing

such a good kitty

[leaden tide]

A very handsome lad/las

[turbid falcon]

So much life off the sheltered by ghosts heavens sake

[leaden tide]

Damn, 16 power badgermole

[lucid jewel]

that sheltered by ghosts is such a good sideboard in this mirror

[leaden tide]

Exponential growth is nuts

[lucid jewel]

pro tour has been arround for 30 years and noone has won one back to back

thats such a crazy stat

[leaden tide]

Kai Budde did back to back Grand Prix, iirc?

[turbid falcon]

Other than Kai, quite possibly one of the greatest players of ALL time and one of those was a team rvent

Rip the legend

[lucid jewel]

rip

yaa i forgot about kai

[leaden tide]

Oh no, they were team Pro Tours.

This would (theoretically) be the first solo back to back

[turbid falcon]

One of them was a team, the other was individual

All he's gotta do is win 1 more game

[leaden tide]

I think Chris gets the Kai Budde trophy no matter what.

Winning a pro tour and getting to the finals of the next? Legend.

[turbid falcon]

If he's not already hall of fame that'll get him in there

[lucid jewel]

if he wins one of the next two games

[turbid falcon]

Yeah that's what I meant

Man I wish I had gone, I could driven to Las Vegas for a second week in a row 😭

[lucid jewel]

you should have

then we could have pointed you out on the streams

and you could watch this thing in person

[turbid falcon]

Next time it's close by, I'll go
Promise to myself

[leaden tide]

They do Magiccons in Vegas semi-regularly, iirc?

Would love to have one in Portland or Seattle that I could go to

[lucid jewel]

vegas is every year

the rest shuffle around

[lucid jewel]

if i end up moving to boise idaho im 100% going to come visit yall at some point

[turbid falcon]

Wow 26 lands is crazy

[turbid falcon]

Welp I'll go next year then

Vegas is the closest spot

[lucid jewel]

that draw tho

he really needs to draw a land

GAME 5 LETS GOOOO!!!!

[turbid falcon]

Ooh that was a quick one

[lucid jewel]

larson had a bad hand tho

and didnt draw what he needed

[turbid falcon]

Ay yi yiy

[leaden tide]

What a match this's been

[lucid jewel]

im so glad we are getting a match like this with the mirror

[leaden tide]

It's really fun having two players on the same team

Chris looking slightly less dead, but still exhausted

[turbid falcon]

There's always room for one gringo

That's probably the tagline of my biography

[leaden tide]

They're both mulligaining to 5

This is gonna be a topdeck game isn't it?

[lucid jewel]

yes

[leaden tide]

"cuk, cuk, chocobo!"

[turbid falcon]

Every time he makes that noise

[leaden tide]

Quality content

[turbid falcon]

Man is this what sports fans feel like

This is so exciting

[leaden tide]

Haven't felt this way since the 2008 Stanley Cup playoffs

[lucid jewel]

all depends on whats on the top of larsons deck right now

[leaden tide]

Seriously

Edge of my seat here

Looks like Nathan has it

[turbid falcon]

AHHHH

[leaden tide]

Damn what a game

[turbid falcon]

Man that was down the WIRE

[leaden tide]

Chris got the worst top-deck possible

[lucid jewel]

yaa i think almost literally any other card

means chris wins

[fierce dragon]

https://x.com/imagesaicouldnt/status/2050887432065953828?s=20

Images AI Could Never Recreate (@imagesaicouldnt)

X · May 3, 2026, 10:37 AM

[turbid falcon]

...thanks mia

Well between the pro tour and that image I think we've witnessed both the peak and depths of magic the gathering

Today

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/pXtdPGpWK0-ywzm-Jt3AnQ Temur deck is done

[carmine nimbus]

Alright folks, it's time for a ✨ rules update ✨

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[turbid falcon]

Wahooo

To celebrate have an unspoiled EVIL ANCESTRAL RECALL oooOoOOOooo
It is interesting they chose this card to be serialized and not one of the Planeswalkers, like the Jace I'm assuming we get

[lucid jewel]

okay but the card itself is so sick

i cant wait to play with it

[turbid falcon]

Oh definitely

[lucid jewel]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/4/f/4fcc913e-f736-460a-b24b-022fa2e861b9.jpg?1777657332

begenning of each endstep is so nice

and they have slowly been building up some aristocrat peices of late

so things like sephiroph and other stuff

[leaden tide]

Feels like a top-end aristocrats engine.

[lucid jewel]

yaa this and https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/8/5/85eaf5e7-77dc-4842-a70c-ce4ac7f724df.jpg?1748707811

are just going to be core to a hopeful standard aristocrat theme

ive tried to build them like every set post final fantasy and had not much luck

[leaden tide]

Aristocrats piece goes good in Sephiroth. In other news, the sky is blue.

:P

[lucid jewel]

well im more thinking about standard

lol

[leaden tide]

Hmm fiar. Does Standard have any good ways of making sac fodder?

[lucid jewel]

https://scryfall.com/search?as=full&q=o%3A"sacrifice+a+creature"+f%3Astandard&utm_source=mci

lets see

[leaden tide]

I suppose Witherbloom has several ways of making Pests

[lucid jewel]

and those pests are decent and the pest synergy

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/f/5/f588fa50-7cc5-41ba-90df-2d252eb5c785.jpg?1775938208 so mabey this guy and some golgari aristocrats with some go wide pests

they tried to bring some of this guy to standard but i just dont think theres enough yet

[surreal stag]

Blech works in standard as an Abzan Bats/Pest deck

[lucid jewel]

yaa i am using the bats/pest deck

its fun

[surreal stag]

i was going to build it but i was much closer to building Witherbloom Demons so i did that instead.

[lucid jewel]

ooo whats the witherbloom demons look like

[surreal stag]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nu8CuKyALEaoakYg-kqatQ

the only thing i didnt have was the perfect lands but this is the base of it

midrange, lots of silver bullets you can get back with regrowth.

survive until you just drain thier life away

im missing a few Stragnled Cemetarys and the Fast Lands

[lucid jewel]

i have ALL the lands these days

[surreal stag]

wait no not the S Cemetary hold please

https://moxfield.com/decks/mS6LOO8wTU6wxyqRkmJxzw

this is the list i worked off of

so im missing the fast lands and deathcap glade

and two tombs

and two verge

omg im dumb AF im so off on what lands i do and dont have, you get the idea.

[lucid jewel]

so that second one is the one i should try

i need a few more wildcards

[surreal stag]

yea and honestly the deck runs fine with sub optimal lands so iff that rare is a land jsut swap it for a passage/starting town etc etc

the mythics on the other hand are the entrie deck soo...

[lucid jewel]

this is what im missing

oh and a dellian fel

i only have 2

https://mtga.untapped.gg/constructed/standard/decks/569/golgari-control/AAQAAQaJEI_HLM8plcQE6-MQwcMBB4cFnSmDgCGMqAv9vgGurwOaqBAEiKIy1MYRkgHFAgeNBa_mAeSnAd65LpiKBInXC6m9AgACC-nUGf6rE_fDBB7YC9mEBMuXDLnLAd8vVcMDAqQu25MxAAAAAA?wincon=bo3

heres a simular deck thats doing pretty good numbers

[surreal stag]

yea thhats what i was afraid of lol

[lucid jewel]

what were you afraid of ?

[surreal stag]

that you were missing the Emeritus and Fels to complete the deck

but yea that control deck looks sick too

[lucid jewel]

ill just have to open more packs

this is the deck im working on right now

[surreal stag]

do i spent all but 225 of my gold for another quick draft?

im loving the drafts this time around.

[lucid jewel]

yes 100%

this is my fav draft format for a while

also the only good use for gold is drafts tbh

turning gold into gems with quick draft i think is the mathmatically best thing to do with gold

especially if your good at the game

[surreal stag]

i wouldnt go as far to say im good lol

[lucid jewel]

https://mtga.untapped.gg/constructed/standard/decks/4478/grixis-monument/AAQAAQSNBdUEyG_nzzcDxco4qQvW4QcCpC7kqTgLpWSQhwG53y_YArcDq4ME4QLblQwU48gB8TIAAgKkLtG_QQX2CaEGrZsCm6UvgPkGAZDULAAAAA?rank=PLATINUM_TO_DIAMOND&wincon=bo3 this decks doing good numbers

[surreal stag]

flip flopped alot well see how this goes.

[lucid jewel]

good luck

you got this

[surreal stag]

end up prismari cuz i drafted more of the bombs there, started silverquill but took some green cards in there too thinking about a splash lol

first game 4 color converge player got spanked.

[lucid jewel]

you can do it

with this draft format i always push for silverquill tbh and then if i dont get it ill go with what ever cards i get

[surreal stag]

0-2 baby

ive got a great 2 loss deck i might be able to scrap somethign

1-3....

oh well

[lucid jewel]

sometimes it be like that

you got it next time

just spend some cash and go again

[gloomy pagoda]

Reading the card explains the card

[lucid jewel]

So

Umm

I put a new card in my bumble flower deck

These two together with ms bumble out is so so nuds

Nuts

I have 23 cards in hand

[surreal stag]

The only mono left to builds is blue. I don’t wanna

[dense orchid]

You saved the best color for last!

[surreal stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

[dense orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hose-water-gif-14589656946987267495

[lucid jewel]

One of these two

If i build a mono blue deck it will be one of these two

[surreal stag]

Yea I’m looking at fish

[dense orchid]

Why not beep beep Omenkeel?

[surreal stag]

But what’s the win con lol

I’m going to be asking myself this the entire time

I refuse to be mono blue “I’m just doing stuff and we’ll see what happens”

Take big fish for example. Get it on the board with counterspell protection. Beat people to death

[lucid jewel]

Yaa watcher as well is create lots token smash ppl with tentacles

[dense orchid]

The wincon is exile mill

[surreal stag]

Gross

[dense orchid]

There's a reason I'm a blue player

[surreal stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dol-huh-eyes-disgusted-gif-11690827820922534530