Magic: the Gathering

[turbid falcon]

As for what you're looking for in your play testing, are you able to get spells out on curve? Do you have good answers for a variety of problems? Does it feel smooth to play? Do you consistently have the correct colors? Do you have a distinct way to win?
If any of these feel lacking or any other issues pop up you can address them by tweaking the list

Still working on an initial concept for Toph the first metalbender
I had a brilliant thought of making her an affinity deck, but unfortunately without blue, artifact affinity is a lot less powerful of an option

[sweet kettle]

official cosmere MTG packs when

can you imagine how awesome that'd be

[molten maple]

That would be epic

It probably wont happen but I might cry if it did

[turbid falcon]

Sanderson did express that if he ever does MTG cards in collaboration it would be a full set

He's not taking any of that wimpy Secret lair nonsense

And apart from my deep love of the cosmere, I think it's far more likely to fit into the MTG system than many of the other stupid properties we're getting this year

[molten maple]

I mean... the bar for UB is low but it does indeed fit better than SpongeBob 💀

Problem is I dont think WotC cares at all whether or not a set actually fits

In 2027 you will get Muppets and iCarly, take it or leave it

[leaden tide]

In terms of protecting Zur during combat, this would be a great include:

If your opponent goes to block Zur with a creature that would kill him, you can just use Reconnaissance to yoink him out of combat.

[leaden tide]

Yeah I also want to re-design my Toph deck from the ground up. My first idea was just artifact goodstuff, and I want to do something more focused in intent. But also I've gotten side-tracked with refinements to other decks in the mean time.

[leaden tide]

He's also mentioned that he was in some very very preliminary talks with Wizards at one point, but they kinda got distracted once folks like the Tolkien Estate and SquareEnix started calling them back. So I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it happens sooner or later.

[leaden tide]

Wizards/Hasbro doesn't care, but seems the players do. Spider-Man has been selling like ass, and the reception of the TMNT and main Marvel previews has been kinda tepid.

[molten maple]

🛌

[turbid falcon]

They'll care when the sales numbers come back

[molten maple]

Marvel kiiiiiinda fits but c'mon, TMNT???

Bruh

[turbid falcon]

It's such an interesting line of text there has gotta be something cool to do with it

[leaden tide]

Yeah my hope/cope is that TMNT and Marvel don't do too great. Probably won't sell as bad as Spider-Man, but I don't think they're gonna match LotR's reception

[molten maple]

Personally I dont mind UB, I just want the UB sets they choose to be MTG adjacent in terms of feel you know?

[leaden tide]

(I'm leaving FF out of this, because no set is ever gonna sell as well as Final Fantasy again, period. It's the Spiders Georg of Magic sales)

[turbid falcon]

FF had a number of additional advantages

[molten maple]

Like FF and LotR and Avatar are cool because they feel like they fit in the MTG world at least a little bit

[leaden tide]

Yeah. I'm thinking maybe something Landfall-ish? My dream would be to do something with Modular, but a good chunk of those cards are old and very over-costed.

[turbid falcon]

Namely, it's not often you get stuff from the old FF games anymore

So this was kinda the first time in probably decades that those characters got some real love

[leaden tide]

Warhammer 40k and (to a lesser extent) Fallout were also decent fits. But yeah stuff like Doctor Who, Spider-Man, etc. that all sticks out like a sore thumb.

[turbid falcon]

40k was perfect

Having it as 4 commander decks was just right

Frankly I'd love for them to do another 4 40k commander decks at some point

[leaden tide]

That, and far-future space-magic stuff feels very classic Magic, like Dominaria vs the Phyrexians.

[turbid falcon]

And it's tabletop as well so it just kinda fits into the same headspace

[molten maple]

Cosmere would fit really well

🥺 👉 👈

[leaden tide]

Yep. Cosmere is the kind of property that'd feel almost indistinguishable from Magic.

[turbid falcon]

I mean, there's gotta be a way to turn the radiant orders into guilds

[leaden tide]

I'd put it in the same category as Avatar, which only stands out because of the high density of anime/cartoon art.

[molten maple]

I swear to god if I get my ass kicked by a Morbius deck im gonna crash out

[leaden tide]

I tried doing it a while ago, don't remember where I put my list...

[molten maple]

Would you guys want a hypothetical Sanderson set to be the whole cosmere or only Stormlight Archives

[turbid falcon]

SA probably has the best density

Without it feeling too scattered

[surreal stag]

If this happens I’m so screwed

[molten maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dh9511dh-empty-wallet-hurt-look-away-gif-13355852

[surreal stag]

I don’t think my “I’m never buying cards” would last lol

[molten maple]

I dream of one day being able to play a Yumi + Nikaro partners commander deck 🙏

So selfishly I hope it would be the whole cosmere but realistically I think keeping it just SA makes more sense

[leaden tide]

Stormlight could support a whole set if necessary. And it'd mean more bespoke mechanics, instead of looking for more generic theme support across the whole Cosmere (like how in the FF set each game shares mechanics with other games).

[molten maple]

The cosmere is just way too big

[leaden tide]

I personally would want to see the rest of the Cosmere in cards though.

[surreal stag]

Allomancy is just kicker

Sorry had to say it

[turbid falcon]

EVERYTHING is kicker

[leaden tide]

I wonder if Stormlight main set + Cosmere commander decks would work. Hmm. Assuming 4 commander decks:

• Mistborn Era 1
• Mistborn Era 2
• Worldhopper (Sel, Nalthis, Taldain)
• Hoid's Tales (Secret projects)

Would that be a decent split?

[molten maple]

God I would kill for a playable Vin card

[molten maple]

I would love this

[turbid falcon]

Vin, 3/3 flying deathtouch

[leaden tide]

Kicker, horsemanship, or flashback

Those are the three mechanics.

[turbid falcon]

Flashback is kicker

Just graveyard kicker

Or, they could do the whole cosmere and do it more like with Avatar where it's more character focused

[molten maple]

What about the other 27 books Sanderson will have written from now to the time the set releases though

[leaden tide]

Okay what about Rebound type mechanics?

Hmm.

[turbid falcon]

And Hoid could be our 5 color legendary named "Hoid, the Storyteller"

[molten maple]

🙂‍↕️

[turbid falcon]

Oh here's an idea, he turns creatures into sagas

[molten maple]

Uhhh

That seems complicated

How would that work

[turbid falcon]

They gain a lore counter and become enchantment sagas

[molten maple]

What would the chapters do though

[turbid falcon]

Working on that

[leaden tide]

The chapters insult you

[surreal stag]

I did make this once upon a time

Just a dope looking proxy

[granite whale]

And the crystal/gem frame too, flavor on point 👏

[surreal stag]

finally got mtg arena and jsut threw away my free quick draft becuase i didnt read and had no idea how to format worked

[lucid jewel]

That sucks. Honestly mtga is a great way to play LOTS of magic

I can play anytime of the day or night

[surreal stag]

yea im liking it and i think itll just help me be a bit better at the game

did some Uber driving on my days off so i rewarded myself with a little $5 welcome bundle

[lucid jewel]

its helped me become a much better player

just the sheer number of games i play now

has increased my skill dramaticly

[leaden tide]

Ugh, I have a strange dilemma.

I had an internet friend with whom I used to talk shop about Magic stuff. She carried her decks around in a Stanley took box.

Well recently this friend and I had a falling out over some boundaries things, and now we don't talk. But I want to know what variety of tool box she uses because I can't remember 😭

[plush bear]

https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Stanley-10-Compartment-Deep-Pro-Small-Parts-Organizer-STST14710/309701462?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=Shopping-CM-F_D25T-G-D25T-025_011_STORAGE_DEVI-STANLEY-NA-NA-SMART-3047250-WF-Stanley_Storage&cm_mmc=Shopping-CM-F_D25T-G-D25T-025_011_STORAGE_DEVI-STANLEY-NA-NA-SMART-3047250-WF-Stanley_Storage-71700000088409688-58700007477940381-92700067211800310&gclid=CjwKCAjws8yUBhA1EiwAi_tpEZnMDVI2C4tG7Dgb1SSO06AlZ7KbrHnAZUsSRozper3BxoxudeXEtxoCXpgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[leaden tide]

That's similar, but I can't remmeber if it's the exact one.

[plush bear]

It’s the standard one that gets recommended

[leaden tide]

Thank you though

[plush bear]

I’ve found that the Dragonsteel book boxes perfectly fit 4 decks

[leaden tide]

Sadly, I've not kept any of those boxes for space considerations.

[sleek valley]

Is it one of the DeWalt ones?

Oh, I didn't see that you mentioned Stanley specifically. Then it would probably be the one Bean linked.

[leaden tide]

It could be DeWalt. Idk, will just have to check and see what my local hardware stores have.

[leaden tide]

I found an even better one. 13 deck-sized trays by default, and I can remove the two big trays to have room for my playmat.

[surreal stag]

Noice

[leaden tide]

Update: the playmat is just a half inch too long, so I had to take out the fifth cup of the row. Still this is great, it can fit as many decks as the Stanley case and peripherals too.

Now just to finish building/rebuilding my decks...

[surreal stag]

https://tenor.com/view/4k-caught-caught-in4k-caught-in8k-8k-gif-20014426

this is SATIRE

[leaden tide]

Yeah you need to pay for the uncensored version.

[turbid falcon]

Oh ho my patience has been rewarded

I cracked 18 packs leaving the rest for my brother and I to play sealed tomorrow but this is what I got

I can't believe I managed to crack all 4 Legends of Avatar enchantments, AND A BADGERMOLE CUB

And a fire lord azula who seems popping

I'm still hoping for a mythic Appa and Walls of Ba Sing Se in the packs for tomorrow but we'll just have to wait and see

[leaden tide]

Holy crap, what a collection of pulls

Hella jealous right now.

[turbid falcon]

I know right? And it's only half the box!

[leaden tide]

Guh. I wish I had the money for a box.

Might get to help my friend crack some of hers in a couple weeks. Which will be fun.

[turbid falcon]

Shockingly they aren't horrifically overpriced rn

Got one for $150, which is downright reasonable nowadays

[leaden tide]

Hmmm that's not bad. It's about what the cost of the rest of the main-set cards I need is. But I doubt I'd get all the pulls I want.

Maybe if I'm good at saving money elsewhere....

[turbid falcon]

Yeah if you're just cracking packs to get certain cards not worth it

[leaden tide]

Yeah my main thing is that I want 1 of everything

[turbid falcon]

I crack packs because A it's fun and B it's a rare chance to play sealed with my brother

[leaden tide]

From AtlA.

[leaden tide]

Yeah it's addictive

[turbid falcon]

It is, but I only really buy a box 2, maybe 3 times a year
It just so happens this is going to come close to me cracking a bunch of Lorwyn as well

[leaden tide]

Lorwyn should be fun. I might get a box of that since I'm not gonna be chasing a complete set.

[lucid jewel]

Thats some of the most dense pulls I've seen in a bit

Congrats

[tepid stirrup]

https://youtu.be/cf0gaBngkVM

This might be the most chaotic game of MTG ever played

[lucid jewel]

i watched this

and its amazing

like legit every epp ben brode is on is chaotic af and then this one is extra chaotic

cant wait for the next ben epp

i also think this is my fav commander youtube show

love these guys

[tepid stirrup]

Game spoilers ||Crim killed Ben and himself with two different triggers on Brian's turn, mostly by accident, and it wasn't the wildest thing to happen this game and might not even have been top 3 wildest things to happen this game ||

[plush bear]

Ben Brode is chaos, Crim is evil incarnate. It’s perfect

[tepid stirrup]

Ben brought an Unset deck

[plush bear]

Oh again? I gotta watch it now

[tepid stirrup]

Which like this might be the best use case scenario for Unset cards

[plush bear]

Last time he brought one it was fun

[tepid stirrup]

This time he had to bring a whole bunch of props

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-honk-inhale-inhales-untitled-gif-16237480

[turbid falcon]

Played sealed with my brother today
Lost 1-2, but the game I did win I won by repeatedly earthbending secret tunnel, included with me singing the song unnecessarily loudly every time I hit him with it

Nothing too crazy in the back half other than fated firepower which will probably find a home in my jeskai deck

[leaden tide]

I didn't even crack a Secret Tunnel at my prerelease, but I was doing this every time someone in earshot played the card

[tepid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/song-aang-atla-hippie-sing-gif-13853815

[lucid jewel]

Same, most of the room joined in on my pre release as well

[slender moss]

Does anybody have any good decks for getting the "Gifting Spree" achievement on the Arena winter achievement set?

[slender moss]

Update:

[leaden tide]

Apologies for not responding, I don't play any Arena so I'm literally clueless.

Glad you got it done though!

[leaden tide]

And third Commander deck rework done.
https://archidekt.com/decks/17524318/everybody_was_kung_fu_fighting

Need to order a small handful of cards for all three of my main decks before I can play them. And I need to actually test them and make sure they work the way I want. But they hopefully are a lot more focused than my previous iterations.

Next up I want to re-design my unfinished Toph deck form the ground up, cannibalize the FF7 deck I got at Costco to make a Sokka and Suki deck, and also take another stab at my original Boros Burn deck, with either Lightning, Army of One or Taii Wakeen, Perfect Shot as the commander.

[leaden tide]

Ugh, so many of the good cards for Toph are stupid expensive 😭

[turbid falcon]

Yeahhhhh

Reminder that this video exists and if you've never seen it before, please watch it
https://youtu.be/nkoT4Nx2_hg

It's quite possibly the greatest Seth video ever

[slender moss]

Above video ||Except he never actually filmed a game that included a Rhino||

[leaden tide]

Yeah it's bad. So many +1/+1 counter synergy cards are over $20.

I might be putting my Toph deck on hold until I figure out a direction for it that I'm more comfortable with.

Because right now my options look to be either break-the-bank counters stuff (which yes I can proxy, but I want the deck to have the vibes of something more affordable) or just a big pile of Earthbending goodstuff, which feels a little uninspired to me.

[turbid falcon]

Yeah I don't think I'm gonna go down the earthbending route outside of the stuff I got from my box

I want to go down an artifact/land route because in Naya it seems like a really interesting way to go down
I'll be looking through my collection once I get back home to see if that gives me any inspiration

[turbid falcon]

That is, in fact, what makes it so hilarious

Also HOLY CRAP

Magic: The Gathering teams up with the Jim Henson Company for Lorwyn Eclipsed https://share.google/FAHov9HJypB0igmN1

This might be the most brilliant marketing route they can go down

[charred ruin]

👀

[turbid falcon]

@leaden tide I finally had a decent idea for Toph

It came together while I was looking through my collection and found Weapons Manufacturing, which I very much wanted to build around
Then I realized earthbended artifacts are gonna do the same thing when removed, they return to the battlefield tapped
Meaning i want to make artifact aristocrats

[leaden tide]

Hmmmm, that's a cool way to take it. Sac artifacts and get them back for more value.

[turbid falcon]

Exactly!

And they re-enter the battlefield so that'll trigger weapons manufacturing

[leaden tide]

There's probably a way to abuse Ugin's Nexus with that. Though you'd need a way to bounce it to hand at instant speed.

[turbid falcon]

How so?

That's completely bonkers, but shouldn't the earthbending trigger solve it

[leaden tide]

If you sac an Earthbent Ugin's nexus, it will come back instantly. Which will prevent you from taking the extra turn it just generated.

[turbid falcon]

It says if put into graveyard or exile iirc

Ohhhhhh

The first line

[leaden tide]

I think they designed Ugin's Nexus specifically to hose it self, thanks to there being historically busted artifact shenanigans in many formats.

[turbid falcon]

But you could just sack it twice

It doesn't care until you're about to begin said turn, so if you can repeatedly earthbend it, you can stack a bunch of extra turns triggers, then remove it one final time

[slender moss]

They designed it that way and it didn't actually work

https://edhrec.com/combos/ugins-nexus

[leaden tide]

Amazing, they finally managed to break Karak Clan Ironworks.

[slender moss]

I forgot how much utter junk is on the EDHREC combo pages

Ah yes two extra turns is "Near-Infinite"

But still, Ugin's nexus is a one-card lock in a Drafna, Founder of Lat-nam deck

[leaden tide]

Clearly they're not astronomers, since 1~= 2

[slender moss]

Also they messed up the combo writeup

"Masterful replication on the battlefield" my bro it is an instant

[leaden tide]

In unrelated news, I think I finally found the commander I want to build my Boros Burn deck around.

I initially wanted to do something based around the damage doubling Gisela. But that was a very clunky deck and she took FOREVER to get online.

Then I tinkered with a Lightning, Army of One build, but didn't like the overall feel of that.

Taii though, she feels right. She's blindingly cheap, has a built in draw engine (something Boros struggles with) and is relatively unthreatening. While both Gisela and Lighting are removal magnets.

[slender moss]

So as it turns out, Emrakul, The Aeons Torn is not protected from Junk WInder

Flying Spaghetti Monster vs. random snake who wins

[slender moss]

Bonus points if you run Zirda as companion

Kneecapping restriction with negative synergy and an awful spot on your curve but you get to aura farm so hard

All jokes aside though, Immodane is great in Taii

[turbid falcon]

Finally this deck is coming together

Only problem is a lot of key pieces are quite expensive, especially the earthbending package sigh

[leaden tide]

Yep! She's on my short list. As are Gisela, Brash Taunter, and Boros Reckoner.

[leaden tide]

Yeahhhh. The best cards are pricy. I only have some of them because I'm aggressively collecting the set.

[lucid jewel]

Thats a big reason why I've been leaning towards a "cheap" iroh tea master deck

And gonna just assemble it over tine

Rather than toph

[turbid falcon]

Unfortunately the really expensive ones are all from jumpstart

[turbid falcon]

Problem is the reason I'm building Toph is because she scratched right in the deck building itch
And now that I have an excellent concept of what kind of deck I want to build, well, that's pretty much it lol
It'll probably be a long term project though since I don't own many of the crucial pieces, which is fine with me

[leaden tide]

I got super lucky, I bought a box of Jumpstart and opened both Toph and Kyoshi.

[leaden tide]

Yeah, Toph is exactly the kind of commander I love to build around. She does something fascinating and unique, without being too narrow in the directions you can take her.

But so many of those directions are so expensive.

[leaden tide]

Still. She seems like a really good include for the 99.

[turbid falcon]

Okay initial deck list done, now time for some HEAVY testing because..
The deck is rather compelx

Please note this is an initial draft and I'm gonna tweak it more

https://archidekt.com/decks/18308149/earthbending_aristocrats

Once I get 2 or 3 repeatable earthbending stuff going the deck really starts to go

[leaden tide]

That list makes a lot of sense. But man that price is eyewatering

If you find yourself needing removal, Planar Cleansing and the ilk would go hard in this kind of deck.

[lucid jewel]

Any of the "real" iroh decks are around the same price

All the harmless offering tech is surprisingly expensive

https://moxfield.com/decks/xt3YR2pg1kmO7fbhV4IDxw

This is the deck Im probs gonna build 1st but this next deck is kinda what I wish I could afford

https://moxfield.com/decks/22shJ-7HhkyxdkndmZ9fAw

There's probs some easy swaps for the 2nd deck that reduce price tho

[turbid falcon]

Thankfully a portion of it I do already own

Like when did the Ozolith get so expensive

Back when I pulled it, it was like $10

[leaden tide]

Looks like it's been climbing for a while, with a big spike around Ravnica Remastered

[turbid falcon]

Huh

Well given how insanely broken it is with earthbending I'm glad I already own it lol

Well, at least with what I'm doing with earthbending

[leaden tide]

Tbh it's kinda inherently broken with Earthbending as a whole.

[fierce dragon]

i love it when so many sets release closely together that you can barely tell what icon is what

[leaden tide]

It doesn't help that they're showint all sets and not just Standard ones but...yeah.

I wouldn't put Assassins' Creed on the same level as MH3

[stiff horizon]

kind of bleak seeing all the set releases on a timeline like this and watching the denisty of releases jump between new capenna and dominaria united, as well as the slow creep of more and more universes beyond logos in there

[lucid jewel]

That really does put a huge visual element to the whole increase of sets

[leaden tide]

A bunch of Lorwyn Eclipsed was leaked overnight.

The reveal stream starts later today so I'm not gonna bother posting stuff. But it's all on Reddit if you want to look.

There's some really neat and fascinating use of mechanics in the set. And the art looks fantastic.

[tepid stirrup]

I do wonder if that was done on purpose

The promo cycle is positively minimalist and sandwiched between Christmas and whichever UB comes after (Turtles? Marvel?) and they're getting public kickback about how they're burying one of the few UW sets they're even doing this year

[leaden tide]

Yeah idk. Something similar happened last year when they did a bunch of Spider-Man promo during the EoE event.

[turbid falcon]

Okay Jim Henson company absolutely KILLED it

https://youtu.be/TG1mJ7zpi10?si=4Q4JNWboxMMegsKU

[gloomy pagoda]

Lorwyn Eclipsed? I believe you mean the Jim Henson Company UBW set!

[turbid falcon]

I am so glad this set they're focusing on hand drawn art

I am going to buy so much of this set

[lucid jewel]

Looking through today's spoilers

Im so ready for earthbending elf balls

[turbid falcon]

That conjures a horrifying mental image

[lucid jewel]

Also loving all the anti spell synergy. He's such a good little guy

[plush bear]

Why!

Spells weren’t the problem!

[wanton hazel]

because storm Blue in particular

[plush bear]

This doesn’t hit storm blue!

[lucid jewel]

Mabey there will be some goblinin time in standard

[plush bear]

It’s just good in storm blue!

[leaden tide]

Maybe he'll push Izzet into playable territory

This is also a cool one, 4 for 2 mana is rare, especially at instant speed

[surreal stag]

btw the new full art lands are absolutly peak and all my decks will run them

these new ones or bloomburrow lands depending on the decks vibe

[turbid falcon]

Phyrexians: we gonna compleat everyone
Also phyrexians:

No one touches the bogle

[lucid jewel]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/lorwyn-eclipsed-commander-decklists

[turbid falcon]

I think the elemental deck looks sweet

Most of the cards are like "yup that makes perfect sense" plus a few reprints I was particularly hoping for

The mana base is... Slow but consistent is what I'd say. Lots of tapped lands but good color consistency

And this is my new favorite card, it's hilarious

[lucid jewel]

It truly is brilliant

What im curious about for the purpose of blight stuff. Do the +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters literally cancel each other out or is there a +1 and a -1 counter still on a creature if it has 1 of each

[mild plover]

Apparently they actually cancel

[molten maple]

Question

Can a spell target itself?

Nvm I see it cant

But lets say someone counterspells my spell, and I have a spell that can redirect the target of a spell. Can I redirect the counterspell to target my redirection spell? Lol

I assume not...

[leaden tide]

Yes, you can. That is the traditional play when using something like Deflecting Swat.

Deflectin Swat resolves, changes the target of Counterspell to the (now vanished) Deflecting Swat. Counterspell attempts to resolve, sees that its target is no longer on the stack, and fizzles with no effect.

The original spell targeted by Counterspell resolves unhintered.

[molten maple]

Thats sick thanks

I wasnt sure if a spell can target something after it on the stack

Deflecting Swat is a cool spell

[tepid stirrup]

The stack is Magic for me to some degree. Its such a good mechanic and they're consistently good at pushing interesting ways of playing with it

[lucid jewel]

Atla spoils. There's a reason this card is really good

Simular to deflecting swat

[turbid falcon]

Welcome to persist

-1/-1 counters are notoriously powerful due to this cancelling

I do like having them as a cost in this set I think it'll be interesting

[leaden tide]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see Wizards doing another -1/-1 set. They'd said they didn't want to put them in standard again after Amonkhet.

[rare sparrow]

if they were ever going to do it, lorwyn was kind of the place to do it

shadowmoor/eventide was the hardest they've ever gone in on -1/-1 counters

i suspect if we ever get another amonkhet set that would be the other place we might see it

[turbid falcon]

Speaking of -1/-1 counters I absolutely love the inclusion of tree of perdition in the commander deck
Because that is EVIL to blight it

[rare sparrow]

also, i think part of the reason they didn't like it was the confusion that the +1/+1 counter and -1/-1 counter interaction causes...but they've shown in the past couple years with them expecting more out of their players in a commander-focused world that they are willing to push the mechanical boundaries a bit. like how they are putting random one-off cards with old mechanics in sets pretty regularly

[rare sparrow]

that plus a built in infinite combo is pretty evil

but honestly flavorfully fits for -1/-1 counters

[leaden tide]

I'm tempted to buy the precon just for the art though. Replace the anime art I got from Innistrad Remastered.

[rare sparrow]

there's some great art in this set. i'm sad that the best art i've seen so far is on a bulk common though

[leaden tide]

So it goes. There was that one bulk common in March of the Machines.

Okay, uncommon.

[rare sparrow]

yup, happens sometimes, artist just turns in a banger

[plush bear]

Often you mean

[leaden tide]

However, this is clearly the best art of the set so far.

[lucid jewel]

Whats the other side look like

[lucid jewel]

Thats such an interesting way to do planeswalkers

[leaden tide]

The flip design? Or the fact that stupid sexy Oko is as stupid and sexy as always?

[charred ruin]

Of course he still makes elk tokens

[turbid falcon]

They literally used this art on a bunch of advertising and it's on a common lol

[lucid jewel]

The flip design

All the + on one side all the - on the other

[leaden tide]

Yee. I like it

[turbid falcon]

Have they revealed all the elemental cycle yet?

I guess my real question is whether it's a cycle of 5 or 10

Cuz there's a dimir one and I believe that's ally colors and there's also an orzhov one and that's enemy

[leaden tide]

It's five, I'd guess. We have seen four of them (and the fifth was leaked yesterday), and they're all in the color pairs not covered by the shocklands in the set.

[tepid stirrup]

I could unironically see them double printing the ones already in since they'll rotate in different years due to the Lorwyn bump

[turbid falcon]

Not in this set though

We're just getting the 5

[turbid falcon]

So the color pie is being completely ignored in this cycle
Fantastic

[leaden tide]

Well, each of the original Lorwyn/Shadowmoor creature types had set color pairs, but there were only 8 in total I think.

For the return, Wizards probably decided that was too much to cram in a little set. So they trimmed it down to 5, and there wasn't a clean way to do allies or enemies, is my guess.

At least not with the most iconic creature types.

[lucid jewel]

https://youtu.be/mCQ5EF69rSQ

[molten maple]

Finally got to play my Azula deck

It was very very powerful and fun for me

But unfortunately my opponents did need to sit for like 30 minutes as I combod off

Def not a deck to break out at every table lol, ill reserve it for games where my opponents play cringe like Vivi

[leaden tide]

This is cute

[turbid falcon]

It's so great

[surreal stag]

sounds like Azula lol

my buddy built 2 Azula decks and even the "fair magic" version turn 6 he stormed off for 10 mins

https://moxfield.com/decks/k3cv84TNuEafAnDclOznNA

https://moxfield.com/decks/b-U44TMKfEKcIFQcXfrUHg

we have since bansihed Azula from the pod (his idea) but he made it in paper and those people hate it to haha

[molten maple]

Feels kind of similar to a Kaalia or a Niko where if they attack the game is pretty likely just over

[surreal stag]

yes

you staple a "dont let me attack with my commander" sign on your own forehead and then see who has the out lol

[lucid jewel]

I might just need to buy the big booty dragon precon from tarkier if they keep printing solid cards for it like this one from lorwyn

[surreal stag]

my otehr bud just built a big booty deck before seeing this card be annoucned lol

Felothar plus Skulk is nasty work

60/60 Walls of Ba Sing Se anyone?

yea if i ever get my colors in a game this will be fun

sol ring turn 3 fyi

turn 7 i breach the multiverse and get Etali and Kardur plus something from everyone else and then another soemthing from everyone else

it all has haste +2/+0

you get it

this is the wrong discord server but oh well. reanimator is fun lol

[leaden tide]

May I tempt you with my relatively affordable list?
https://archidekt.com/decks/18413717/i_like_big_toughness_and_i_cannot_lie

Biggest expense is probably the land base, plus walls of Ba Sing Se. You'll get a good chunk of what you need for it out of the big-booty precon; basically I took out the life gain and +1/+1 themes out of it to go all in on the toughness matters.

[lucid jewel]

Thats so good, ill save that and look at it after I pickup the precon one day

[lucid jewel]

https://youtu.be/Z4A5W3S7M64

[lucid jewel]

is there any cards i might slot into these decks from lorwyn https://i.imgur.com/zhMhO9M.png

[leaden tide]

This art goes hard.

Trying to decide if I'd rather have that art or this one as a playmat:

[lucid jewel]

the 2nd one feels more on theme

while the 1st is very epic i think i would rather the 2nd

[lucid jewel]

Lorwyn.... so this is a card, certainly wont be frustrating to play against at all

I guess its even handed tho

[wanton hazel]

I suppose it won't be hard to find removal for it so long as it's in your deck at all

[surreal stag]

yea if you really want it gone just wiat your turn and nope it

and imagine not having enchantment removal

eat your vegtables!

[leaden tide]

I'm leaning towards the first one, personally. Feel it will look better as a playmat.

[turbid falcon]

I really like the use of -1/-1 counters in this set to create overstatted creatures that start underwhelming but become more powerful

It's a cool design niche

[lucid jewel]

Too bad big booty deck dosent have red

Lorwyn card

[turbid falcon]

Why are we spoiling Lorwyn cards anyway

They're from official channels

[plush bear]

Set isn’t out

They are spoilers until release

[lucid jewel]

That

[plush bear]

It’s like Brandon reading chapters from an upcoming book

[lucid jewel]

And thats where I would stand outside of this channels spoiler rules

[turbid falcon]

I uh, disagree that that's necessary for cards revealed through official channels

But whatever

[lucid jewel]

Some ppl like to avoid card spoils till they go to pre release

[turbid falcon]

That doesn't feel to me like the same sort of requirement for spoiler policy that something like a story would but like I said, whatever

[lucid jewel]

Love this art

[surreal stag]

this just popped up in my pods chat haha

[turbid falcon]

It is a colossal shame that the Rebecca Guay art is only as the numbered carss

Otherwise I'd love to have one

[lucid jewel]

Yeppp

Im never gonna get a copy but it looks cool

[surreal stag]

just play on tabletop sim

[lucid jewel]

Look

You have a point

[surreal stag]

in your basement everyone is showering daily and wearing deorderant

[lucid jewel]

As far as you know

What if I dont

[surreal stag]

if not then you have direct control over that issue

[lucid jewel]

[surreal stag]

come to my house you cna shower whenever you need it

[lucid jewel]

You live near iowa

[surreal stag]

in midwest terms yes

its only like a 6 hour drive i think'

[lucid jewel]

Not too far

[surreal stag]

im in St Louis come on over baby

[lucid jewel]

Is it possible to do drafts in tts

[surreal stag]

via websites yes, you then build the deck online and import so......yesnt

[lucid jewel]

I had a feeling you couldn't do it easly directly in tts

[surreal stag]

i wouldnt want to tbh. moving all those cards/packs from person to person, orginizing them, building the decks would be hell if one person had a rough internet connection

[lucid jewel]

I imagine its easy to mess up slightly and ruin the whole thing

[surreal stag]

yea its alreadya mess when soemone spread thier entire dino deck over there board.......not me never done that.....5 times

[leaden tide]

She's too expensive for Wizards these days.

[lucid jewel]

Ooooo

[leaden tide]

Did that spoiler correctly? Can't tell on mobile.

[wanton hazel]

don't think so, I can see it clearly by default

[leaden tide]

Ugh. Rip.

Here it is spoiled.

[turbid falcon]

Just signed up for pre release
So hype

[wanton hazel]

I'm going to play at one out of state, but that unfortunately means I can't participate in 3 the way I sometimes do

I might be able to do a second, not sure yet

[lucid jewel]

Uhh this seems a bit spooky

[turbid falcon]

Who would have guessed there was a dragon inside Spinerock Knoll

For the flavor win, get him out USING Spinerock Knoll

[leaden tide]

Hmm do I run this in the boros burn deck I'm building and get everyone to hate me?

[turbid falcon]

Yes, lighting bolt

Weirdly it actually makes lighting bolt a ton better in commander

Normally it's kinda mid because of the average size and life total
But with a copy and wither suddenly it fulfils it's dual role of removal (or shrinking) and damage a lot better

[leaden tide]

Yeah. The idea is to load up on direct damage sources (even creature-only ones are good here, because Taii Wakeen draws me cards off of them), and modal spells like Abrade that can be either damage or other utility.

[lucid jewel]

So many burn spells get heaps better with a bit of copy and a bit of wither

Also just the stat line alone

A 6/6 for 5 is gooooood

[turbid falcon]

https://archidekt.com/decks/18761654/elemental_etbs_precon_upgrade
Well I think this is my pre-lorwyn pulls list, essentially focusing down on elementals with ETBS (and a few leaves the battlefield) to abuse Ashling, while still also having intrinsic value that doesn't require Ashling to function. Plus a small blink package for additional shenanigans

Oh and a fixed mana base

Also don't mind the weird categories I got the initial precon list with weird categories and I haven't really fixed it or properly followed jt

And yes I know Life of the party is kinda an odd add... But I think getting my opponents to make a bunch of goaded dudes to beat each other up with sounds hilarious so it's staying in

[leaden tide]

A 6/6 for five with flying

[leaden tide]

Looks reasonable. It sucks though that lands are always the most expensive part of a deck. 😭

Hopefully you already have some of the pricy ones.

[surreal stag]

speaking of mana base the Blight deck has a PATH OF ANCESTRY in it. a tapped land that lets you scry if you cast one of FIVE OTHER SPELLS IN THE DECK

[turbid falcon]

Oh all those lands are ones I have ready to put in

I already bought a very expensive 5 color mana base once, and while I've use pieces of it for other decks that's what's fixing the deck lol

[turbid falcon]

I have no plans to ever buy such a mana base again

[surreal stag]

I have no plans to ever buy such a mana base again a single card

[wanton hazel]

I only really started playing in earnest this year, only really play limited in person, I've done a bit of commander but just much prefer limited

I played standard in Arena, would consider it in person if it was more active

[turbid falcon]

Well I also didn't buy it all at once

I picked up cheap copies of fetches and shocks as they got reprinted, and got a full set of triomes and several other good 5 color lands over the course of like, 3 years

I'm still missing a few shocks and fetches but it hasn't been an issue

Hm, I should go through and see exactly which ones I'm missing

[surreal stag]

Yea a ton just got reprinted so hopefully it’s those

[tepid stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq_2vwAqyGI

So I did already put this up in the Warframe channel, as this could reasonably go into either Warframe, general gaming, FFXIV, or here

I'm putting this here as a cautionary tale

This is a woman's descent into madness

She wants one card in particular. She spends eight hours and goes through six boxes looking for that one card

(She was also laying aside cards for friends and family, so it isn't all tragedy)

Moral of the story: buy singles

[tepid stirrup]

(Why Warframe? This is the Warframe creative director)

I should also say this is full of the kind of incidental Final Fantasy spoilers you get from interacting with Final Fantasy via MTG

[charred ruin]

"Wow I didn't know there were FF14 cards in here! Maybe there will be more!"

(repeat every time she finds a different 14 card)

[tepid stirrup]

(The same card, White Auracite)

inb4 Warframe UB, 2027

[charred ruin]

Frick that one would get me

Also opening two Collector boxes and an entire play booster box and not getting that card is actually kinda insane

[tepid stirrup]

(Four play boosters)

[charred ruin]

oh right she's opening the box next

[leaden tide]

If you're looking to collect a set, then yeah opening a box (maybe two) will be a good start. But anything beyond that.

Buy. The Damn. Singles.

[wanton hazel]

I’ve opened about 45 final fantasy packs which is the first set I’ve been interested in collecting, and yeah it really doesn’t make sense to buy any more vs singles

Even that was just 3 prerelease events, 1 bundle, 4 scene boxes, and then some prize packs from the prereleases

(Though I would have bought a chocobundle if the price was right, demand was too high)

[leaden tide]

Yep. You reach saturation on commons and uncommons pretty quickly, so opening packs rapidly comes down to whether you pull a rare or mythic you don't already have. Which also becomes bad odds relatively quickly.

[upper moon]

See, for me I don't care as much about specific cards, and like building decks from what I've got.

Probably why I like draft so much

[leaden tide]

Okay, first draft (still somewhat incomplete) of my new Boros Burn deck. I like the feeling of this a lot more than previous versions. But I feel like it's missing something.
https://archidekt.com/decks/18413765/boros_burn_v2

Also I haven't been able to come up with a good name for it. All the sniper quotes I've come up with are either generic or not particularly applicable.

[lethal isle]

got to play a quick half hour of a commander match and got to play luminous moth and sun titan

very exciting

[leaden tide]

Sun Titan! The titans are such a cool cycle of creatures. Peak Magic design.

[turbid falcon]

...wow

I went into a turn expecting to kill one player with my shenanigans but underestimated just how insane Ojer Taq is

I had multiple effects on board that saw how many tokens I had already made at some point, then made an equal number
Ojer Taq then proceeded to triple that each time
That combined with a Mirkwood bats created a turn where I started with creating a clue and a citizen, and ended with somewhere around 130 ish damage on my end step

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

Yeah Ojer Taq is kinda nuts

[lucid jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

Lorwyn card

We gonna be making so many goblins and elves in this set

[leaden tide]

The tribal stuff is fun, but honestly I'm most exited for two red combat tricks

[lucid jewel]

Which ones are they

[leaden tide]

These both fulfil very specific niches that I'm very interested in

[tepid stirrup]

More importantly, neither of them look like Monstrous Rage

[lucid jewel]

They both seem quite fair

But still good

More access to trample in mono red is nice

[leaden tide]

Trample and haste together are things I'm very interested in for my prowess deck, and cantripping is just icing on the cake. And then pump with ramp is also a very yummy combination.

[leaden tide]

Also I friggin love the art in this set.

We could have gotten a bit more Shadowmoor crunch/grit imo, but the weirdness is here on full display and I'm here for it

[turbid falcon]

those are some excellent combat tricks

If I pull them I think they'll slot nicely into my jeskai deck, though I'm probably not going to go out of my way to get them

[leaden tide]

I am gonna go out of my way to find them, but they shouldn't be too hard to get. My LGS opens a bunch of stuff for singles, and they just have a box of the commons/uncommons of the set on the counter. So if I don't pull them on pre-release, they should be in there.

Also unrelated, I've been re-organizing my Magic collection to merge it with some bulk commons/uncommons someone was giving away a few months ago.

And here's an interesting picture:

These are my basic lands, stuff I had before combined with what I got from this collection, in WUBRG order.

I have what's probably 60-100 more islands than swamps.

[turbid falcon]

That's probably more basic lands than I have I think

But I also have more than enough basics to run an entire draft, and build any decks I desire, so at that point shrug collect nice art I guess?

[leaden tide]

Yeah. I'm gonna downsize here at some point, once I have time to sort them by art. I'm only gonna keep a certain number of each art, probably like 6 or 8. Give the rest to my community or one of my LGSes

[turbid falcon]

Gotta say this elemental precon is kinda bonkers out of the box
Fix the mana base and it's basically value town
Then you do the upgrades I did to it, and now it's able to go toe to toe with my much more expensive and tuned decks
Plus it scratches my second favorite mtg itch: putting a gazillion triggers onto the stack

[leaden tide]

The precons have been hitting pretty hard lately, from what I understand.

Haven't had the chance to play around with the EoE ones, but they look powerful and fun

[turbid falcon]

I feel they've really mastered making them really good out of the box

I especially enjoyed that a bunch of cards scalpers were driving the prices up on were reprinted in the latest batch

[turbid falcon]

Do NOT sleep on Twinflame travelers for your Ashling precons

This card is truly unhinged
With Ashling, it means any evoke you do, you're going to get 6 ETBs in total off of it

2 for the initial, then it copies ashlings trigger, so you get 2 tokens, each of which trigger twice
That is a truly unhinged amount of value

At that point, then you just evoke an "army in a bottle" type thing to make an army, then drop this bad boy

This guy is currently $.06

[surreal stag]

Acadamey Manufactor + this = new typal. Assembly worker

[leaden tide]

Aww man, giving your creatures 6 instances of haste is tight

[turbid falcon]

I mean sure 6 instances of haste is a bit redundant but the army + +6/+6 out of literally nowhere ends games on the spot

[surreal stag]

IM GOING TO LE PRERELASE ON SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leaden tide]

Oooh exciting!

[surreal stag]

my first time playing paper magic. its my birthday weekend. this is about to be the best 3 day weekend of my life

Friday: Birthday with Wife and Boys, Saturday: chill day probs going to Target with the fam cuz were basic, Sunday: LE PRERELEASE, Monday: Day off gaming with friends & THE HOOSIERS WIN THE NATTY

[turbid falcon]

Pre release is fun

[lucid jewel]

Good luck

[leaden tide]

Yeah sealed is my favorite limited format. Just a good time, Magic exactly as Richard Garfield intended.

[gloomy pagoda]

Nah, it's been decades since they last printed Ante

[wanton hazel]

it's really the only paper magic I play, I've tried commander but it's just a little too much

[turbid falcon]

While I was moving out yesterday I discovered a whole bag of unsorted cards I didn't know I had

Maybe this is where a few cards I thought I had but then couldn't find ended up

Ah never mind

[leaden tide]

Oooh nice, we love finding surprise bonus cards.

Oh.

[turbid falcon]

Mostly lands and tokens

There were a few nice lands that can find some homes but really nothing too spicy beyond some more nice arts

[upper moon]

Having good looking lands is the most imporrtant part for your deck to be good though

[surreal stag]

Is it Sunday yet?

[lucid jewel]

No but there are a bunch if draft streams up on twitch right now

Get that info in your brain for the limited environment

[leaden tide]

New Fallout secret lair, based on the show.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-rad-superdrop

Good and interesting choices. And honestly, doesn't look horrible.

Stuff based on live-action properties is usually pretty uncanny valley when it comes to the actors faces, but Ella Purnell I guess just has a face that looks good as Magic art

[tepid stirrup]

I'm not really a UB purist but this feels like it crosses a Rubicon somehow

[leaden tide]

That's not even the only time they do it

[charred ruin]

That one is really funny actually

[fierce dragon]

Those two feel very lazy ngl

[lucid jewel]

after revewing the set i think this is by far my favorite card in the upcomming set ||https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/4/0/4030bfab-867c-4724-904e-3e8b631f075e.jpg?1767729795||

easly the most fun card ill play in this set

and im 100% buying the precon it comes in

[leaden tide]

That one is a real gem of design. Both mechanically and flavor-wise

[lucid jewel]

it just such a fun play pattern as well it creates so many fun situations

[surreal stag]

Okay chaos draft on tabletop sim is great

The mystery booster 2 packs are so fun

[leaden tide]

I did a MB2 draft back on Jan 3rd, got some great pulls.

Is a very cool environment.

[turbid falcon]

Im hoping this will finally give me an excuse to fulfill one of my bucket list goals
Goatnap a goat

My primary issues with this goal is that I currently don't own a Goatnap, and there aren't many goats worth Goatnaping

[surreal stag]

Goat nap and off nabd goat youd be a legend

but youd need a collector booster to have someone get the goat lol

[turbid falcon]

I already preordered the precon lol

[surreal stag]

hell yea

[turbid falcon]

Now I just need a goatnap

[surreal stag]

ive seen lots of them in my draft sim pools

[wanton hazel]

happy prerelease weekend to those who are attending, I'll be doing at least one today

don't know if I'll be able to do another this weekend

[surreal stag]

IS IT SUNDAY YET

[turbid falcon]

Finally, pre release time!

Well I say that but I'm gonna have to sit here and wait

[lucid jewel]

My lgs sold their entire game room out tonight

144 seats

[turbid falcon]

Mine has a wait-list I'm glad I preordered

There is a LONG line

[lucid jewel]

Ours is 1st come 1st served and "when stocks run out we run out" managing by the 3rd or 4th go round they usually run out

So sometimes they dont do a sunday pre release cause they run out of stock

For pre release that is

For other product they have pre orders

[turbid falcon]

Alright ended up building kithkin, currently 1-0

The wither dragon walloped me on our second round though lol

Though my deck is being kind of hard carried by a ton of changelins

[lucid jewel]

The changlings go hard in this set

[turbid falcon]

Also dang, I pulled a hexing squelcher and chronicle of victory, looks like those basically made back my money on the prerelease

Though I imagine chronicle of victory might go down, hexing squelcher feels like the kind of card that will retain value

[lucid jewel]

It will

Its wanted in so many decks in multiple formats

[turbid falcon]

Yeah it's probably playable in everything back to legacy

Since there's nothing else that makes only your spells uncounterable

[wanton hazel]

Went 2-1 with Goblins, was a fun deck

[leaden tide]

Hng I want that wither dragon

[turbid falcon]

2-0 kithkin is kicking BUTT

Shout out to figure of fable who is an absolute house

Drop him turn 1, swing for 2 turn 2, 4 turn 3, and basically ends the game if I can get to 6 mana when he becomes essentially unremovable

[leaden tide]

-# I'm like 90% confident Figure of Fable is a she

[turbid falcon]

He she them IDC they ROCK

[turbid falcon]

...my opponent isn't showing up

I mean sure if they don't show up I basically just win but kinda lame

[turbid falcon]

Well guess I go 3-0 automatically, unfortunately other than meek attack my other prize packs were kinda duds but hey they were free

[leaden tide]

Free cardboard is always nice

Sad you didn't get a third match though

[dense orchid]

High Perfect Morcant in pack 1 was pretty nutty last night

[leaden tide]

Oh nice.

I'm going to my pre-release at noon today. Wish me luck!

[fierce dragon]

You don't need luck I know your skill will carry you

[lucid jewel]

Agreed glams gonna smash it

And also get some tmnt card in their pre release

[leaden tide]

Please no

[wanton hazel]

I didn’t hear anything about that happening where I played, I’m guessing it’s regional

[lucid jewel]

Must have been a specific printing that got mixed up its been rare enough that your probs right

[leaden tide]

Welp. Opened a bunch of cool cards. Enough to make both a blue white merfolk deck and a green black elves deck.

And neither of them is working.

Storm me.

[turbid falcon]

Oof

[leaden tide]

People here don't like playing Jeskai I guess.

[lucid jewel]

wow

that is a lot of jeskai stock

[leaden tide]

It's incredibly satisfying to see all the Spider-Man rotting on the shelf though.

That's a $15 discount on the pre-release packs too.

[lucid jewel]

again wow that is a lot of packs

[upper moon]

Im kind of conflicted tbh. I feel bad for the lgs. But this is also the only way that wizards will stop pulling crap like that

[leaden tide]

Okay deck actually functioned on round three, so that's nice.

One more round.

This card puts in so much work.

[lucid jewel]

Constant card selection is sweet

And im assuming you have some graveyard matters cards

[wanton hazel]

Day 2 I tried a vivid Giants deck (Naya)

1-1 so far, only get prize support here at 2 wins so I guess I gotta go for it

The Elves deck looks good, I think I might hope to pull enough for it day 3

[leaden tide]

Yeah there's a couple, but that card itself is a massive graveyard payoff.

Anyways, went 2 and 2. Should have gone with elves in my first deck, but I was distracted by getting two rare merfolk.

The merfolk mechanics want you to tap them for additional ability benefits. But it didn't feel like the payoffs were there.

And so my distaste for Azorius continues.

Anyways. Here's my pulls for the night. First pic is my prerelease stuff, second is my prize pack pulls.

Good pulls overall. Though I would have loved to pull a dragon.

[lucid jewel]

you got a couple nice commanders in there tho

bre and doran are nice

[leaden tide]

Yee, Bre is a fun card I might eventually build. And Doran is going in my Felothar deck until I scrounge up enough money for a Walls of Ba Sing Se

Might keep him too if he performs well.

I think what this set is gonna push me to do though is build a mono-green elfball I've been considering for a while.

Goal will be to not buy any cards, just throw whatever elves and elf-synergy cards I have in my collection together.

[lucid jewel]

Mono green elfball is gonna be so good with this set

Also its easly improvable over time

[lucid jewel]

im curious if elf ball will be a standard deck too

[leaden tide]

I'm also considering doing mono-white Soldiers, and mono-red Goblins.

Would be interesting to figure out mono-blue and mono-black creature types too

[leaden tide]

Maybe, with the Badgermole cub.

[lucid jewel]

100% it will have badgermole cub and probs oroboros

but then its not too diff to current decks

[leaden tide]

Yeah the gears are turning a bit for Bre, might do boros lifegain, with a strong Angels theme?

But also I just finished designing a boros deck. And two of my existing decks are 3-colors including boros. And I have ideas for two more 3-colors with boros....I think I might have too much boros

But...I could use the lifegain stuff to cascade into some chonky angels, potentially.

[charred ruin]

Too much Boros?

Impossible

[leaden tide]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

I'll probably build it at some point. But it's going low on the priority queue

[sleek valley]

Pretty happy with how this one turned out despite only going 2-1. I'm a little disappointed that I never got to cast any of the rares, though. Bre especially seems like they would have been very good to cast here.

I also think it's wild how bad these are warping after only a few hours out of the pack, even the non-foils.

[dense orchid]

How bad is the Pringle-ing?

[sleek valley]

It isn't even pringling, really. They would at least be warping in the same direction in that case. Here's a pile of 6 face up non-foils.

[surreal stag]

Yea jus run both hahah

[leaden tide]

Ah you gave in to temptation and built 3-color

From what I saw yesterday, that's difficult to pull off in this limited environment. The cards want you to build two-color, even if you don't follow one of the typal pairs.

[wanton hazel]

I tried 3-color vivid yesterday and it didn't go great, but I'm glad I tried it

had fun, won some games, my two losing rounds were 2-1

point is mostly just agreeing that 2 color is the way to go if prize support depends on wins

[rare sparrow]

i think the way to play into vivid is mostly going to involve playing 2 color and picking up lots of hybrid creatures

even in draft

although obviously when you have more control over picking up mana fixing etc. in draft going 3+ colors should be easier

i went mostly 2 color in prerelease yesterday (UR splashing two black removal spells) and went undefeated (albeit with one draw)

[surreal stag]

I’ll be happy as long as I can play anything but big spell elementals

I would t know how to pilot that thing

Just give me Golgari elves please mtg gods

[wanton hazel]

They seem pretty strong

[lucid jewel]

i hope that morcant is your pre release foil

[wanton hazel]

I feel like the prerelease packs tend to offer enough cards that you usually have a couple viable options, but going in trying to make the best available deck of a specific archetype doesn’t always work

[surreal stag]

Oh I know I’ve been looking at random pools online to help start grasping what I can make work with whatever I get

[leaden tide]

Yeah elves did much better than merfolk for me yesterday. Despite opening a few merfolk rares, and no elvish rares.

The elves just have good synergy. As an archetype they also don't mind being in your graveyard, which is great for how grindy the set/format is. Means you're not afraid to throw your elves at your opponent's blockers to try and break a stalemate.

[surreal stag]

Time to shower. The cycle stops here

[lucid jewel]

good luck out there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066081368397856768/1462509199325007884/616477634_10231019323055439_3246612871625432116_n.jpg?ex=696e7355&is=696d21d5&hm=7041421ef2ff55286f3f5906550acdf4f3b3606e11ccd4913d499be04f0cf77c&

[surreal stag]

Yea lol it was an “oops”

[lucid jewel]

you got this

[leaden tide]

Oooh Figure of Fable, very nice

[turbid falcon]

Figure of fable is so peak

Won me multiple games

If they can't remove it, it will win you the game

[lucid jewel]

love those kinda "level up" creatures

they are almost always super good at all stages of the game

[turbid falcon]

Plus I found it meant I could hold onto a ton of gas in prerelease, and instead sink mana into figure of fable

The coolest thing was when I used Brigid's command to copy it

[surreal stag]

im 1-0 in WG

[lucid jewel]

i had a feeeling WG would be good with your list

looked bannger dense in those colours

[surreal stag]

1-1 ran out of gas

[lucid jewel]

you can do the 3rd i belif

[wanton hazel]

Day 3: Built a Kithkin deck with 15 minutes to spare in deckbuilding,so I assembled a Faeries deck as well. I thought the Kithkin deck was better but the Faeries deck win every game and the Kithkin deck lost every game so clearly I’m bad at judging these things

I think my Kithkin build was just too weak on turn 2, the way it went

[leaden tide]

Okay so if I do make a green elfball deck, I have the following as Commander options:

Dionus is probably the best option. Yeva would be the funniest, because she's the least elf-synergy of them. But also could be very dangerous.

I'll probably run all 5 of them in the deck, so maybe I'll just run a different one of them every time I break it out.

[lucid jewel]

Dionus requires lots of extra tracking

Im leaning towards yeva or ezuri

[leaden tide]

Ezuri is probably the most consistent win-con, so the least likely to lead to durdling.

On the other hand, Dionus makes the elfball go turbo-brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[lucid jewel]

untapping elves is just so much power

[leaden tide]

And obviously I'll be running the lesbian Llanowar Elves

[tepid stirrup]

Isn't that other woman her uh

Mom?

[leaden tide]

Is she?

idk, is there lore out there about this art somewhere?

[tepid stirrup]

It read like a multigenerational thing to me

[rare sparrow]

i had never seen this art before now but looking at the art it also reads to me as baby, mom, and grandma

here's the only comment i can find from the artist about it, which doesn't say anything about anyone other than the mother and child:

"Another fun piece for MTG. I enjoyed the challenge of trying to make a tender moment between mother and child. I tried to imagine what sweet song she's singing that calms the baby and also causes flowers to bloom. Some Adele? Wu Tang most likely for you, see Wu Tang is for the children. Big thanks to art director Zack Stella.”

[charred ruin]

Works either way honestly

I do like the art a lot better than the more classic ones like this

[slender moss]

Nothing will beat lesbian Heartbeat of Spring

[leaden tide]

It's always funny to me the different Llanowar Elves that only have a solitary elf on them.

[leaden tide]

Some come pretty close.

[charred ruin]

It's still better than this one though

Some old Magic art is cool or at least has charm. This one uhhhhhh

[leaden tide]

We can firmly file that in the "so bad it almost wraps around to being good again" folder

[tepid stirrup]

Llanowar Elves commonly makes me think of Brian Kibler joking about getting a lifetime achievement award for how many times he's turn 1 cast Llanowar Elves over the years

Gotta be thousands or tens of thousands of games

[leaden tide]

Pshhh, that's not lesbian, that's just gaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

While we're at it, let's not forget some of our trans icons.

[slender moss]

You forgot the OG

[charred ruin]

That second one is Alesha

[slender moss]

Is it? I thought it was just a generic Mardu warrior

[leaden tide]

Nope, it's her. Same armor, originally from the same set

[charred ruin]

Also fantastic card and I keep trying to make a Commander deck with her work

[leaden tide]

The runemark behind her also kinda looks trans colors for the foil version.

[slender moss]

Regardless,

Reminds me of a deck I built at one point in time
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pride-month-is-every-month-jodah-edh/

Speaking of which, this one hasn't been mentioned yet

[surreal stag]

I went 1-2, 2-1, 2-1. Opened a foil Emptiness (not showcase) in one of my prize packs

[leaden tide]

Niceeeeee

[surreal stag]

I was able to trade around for Shadowmore Full Art lands for the complete set and I traded the Blood Cyrpt I opened for a Tomb cuz my Golgari heart needed it

[gloomy pagoda]

smh, there are 3 of them, that should be Llanowar Tribe!

[surreal stag]

Coolest cards in the two little decks I was able to build

[leaden tide]

Oooh nice, the alt art on Kinbinding is cool. The showcase treatment for this set just looks cool in general.

And Emptiness is so pretty

[charred ruin]

Ugh I'm gonna have to buy some of this set

And probably see if I can join a prerelease or draft but I don't stay up late in the evening and my weekends are often busy

[leaden tide]

It's got some good stuff. The typal themes means the limited environment might not be for everyone. But it's got some good card designs outside of that.

[charred ruin]

I love typal themes

[leaden tide]

Damn. My LGS has some Friday and Monday afternoon prerelease stuff

[leaden tide]

Well in that case, you're in for a treat

Kithkin and Elves seem to be the strongest two, in my limited experience

[charred ruin]

I'm quite happy with that

Glad to see some good Kithkin since I like a bunch of their old Lorwyn-Shadowmoor cards but they've been powercrept to oblivion

And Goblins, Merfolk, and Elves are always fun to see more cards for

[lucid jewel]

Don't sleep on changelings in all of this as well, also hybrid mana helping with vivid

[leaden tide]

Changelings are (as expected) a very good glue to fill in the gaps of whatever type you're running. They've got some cards that are just generic good beaters.

[wanton hazel]

My LGS did a 3 prize packs for everyone this time around to thank their community for their growth, which was cool. But it also led them to selling like 45 tickets, running out of prerelease kits on Friday and just having us crack packs for the Sunday event

[leaden tide]

TBh that might have been for the best, less chance of running into some stray turtles

[wanton hazel]

funny you say that

[surreal stag]

Yea we just cracked packs no promos :/

[wanton hazel]

they gave us a sealed 'promo pack' on top of it and let us use it

most of us got Aetherdrift cards

[surreal stag]

Hahaha nice

We got NOTHING but it was still fun

[wanton hazel]

I don't think anyone actually used them but mine was a Goblin so I could have considered it

[surreal stag]

I eventually cut the blue splash for a spy and mighty and I drew two cards each time I played it got the 4 power on the swing. Not bad

[leaden tide]

Not surprising. Some people at my LGS made three color work, but it's hard

[surreal stag]

Yea you needed some strong color fixing. One evolving wilds was not enough

And the dork I had just sat there and blocked every turn. Meh

[wanton hazel]

I tried going straight-up three color in my second prerelease and I won one round, and lost 1-2 in the other two rounds

[surreal stag]

I’m 100% going to The Hobbit prerelease but I don’t think I can get out of the house for 6 hours for more than one other set this year

[wanton hazel]

that's fair, you could always play sealed in Magic Arena at your own pace

[surreal stag]

Yea for sure I’m all about getting that new game experience online

And of course playing new stuff in commander online for free

[wanton hazel]

I don't think I'm gonna skip Turtles entirely but that's probably a 'play once' set rather than a 'play all three' set

[leaden tide]

Yeah it's a very different environment from EoE, where there were just landers out the wazoo and you could splash anything you wanted

[leaden tide]

Marvel and Turtles are hard skips for me, both out of diminished interest and a desire to save money.

[lucid jewel]

Im 1000% going to the star trek pre release

[leaden tide]

Star Trek is a maybe, it's gonna have to work hard convince me.

[lucid jewel]

It will probs be around my birthday too

[wanton hazel]

Marvel's the other clear 'play once' set for me, and probably Star Trek too, though I could imagine playing ST more than once

[leaden tide]

Hobbit is a probably, I'll do it unless it's a small and mechanically thin set.

[lucid jewel]

Ppl I think are also sleeping on strix

[leaden tide]

Return to Strixhaven and Reality Fracture are "gonna have to convince me to not go" sets.

Aka unless the previews are bad, I'm gonna go.

[wanton hazel]

for me it's like, at my LGS, the prereleases always fire but the drafts usually don't, so if I want to play limited it's usually the prerelease, so I don't really like to skip the opportunity

everyone always just wants to play commander and I kinda don't

[leaden tide]

For me, it just boils down to the meta-flavor of the cards.

I'm just not interested in turning a slice of pizza sideways to cast some turtles from the fantastical realm of New York.

[tepid stirrup]

Turning the nastiest slice of pizza devised my man or turtle kind you mean

[leaden tide]

While the Turtles set doesn't seem as bad as Spider-Man in regard, it's still just not my cup of tea. Even if the mechanics are cool, I'm a Vorthos at heart and I need my Magic to be both Magical and something I actively like the flavor of.

[leaden tide]

I mean I'm being vague because I'm trying not to visualize it.

Though, tbh, if they were't so nasty looking, I'd probably slip one of them into one of my (eventual) Earthbending decks.

Because beating the crap out of an opponent with an 8/8 trampling pizza slice is objectively hilarious

[surreal stag]

My buddy really wants to go but idk if I can swing it

[wanton hazel]

I don't think that angle bothered me, I'm not even a huge spider-man fan but I watched the Spider-Verse movies and like four of the live-action spider-man movies, and that's about it, but that set didn't bother me too much? I didn't have a good experience playing it, but I wonder if it's because I didn't do so much research and I'm not that great at deckbuilding strictly on my own

[surreal stag]

For sure but it ain’t for me

[tepid stirrup]

I go in and out of MTG on a several-year-long cycle and I'm out right now and while UB isn't really the cause I probably will be until UB stabilizes its relationship with Magic or consumes it (in the latter case I'm probably just out out)

[leaden tide]

From what I've seen anecdotally, it's one of the worst limited environments in years.

[wanton hazel]

I don't think I've consumed a ninja turtle product in 20 years, I remember playing a couple ancient video games, I think some sort of handheld one? And I know I watched some cartoon in the 90s

[leaden tide]

Yeah for me it largely depends on whether or not the UB property is a good fit for Magic. And most of them...have been pretty firm "no"s in that regard.

[surreal stag]

Yea hard pass on the turtles

[wanton hazel]

I think if I skip any set outright this year it'd be the turtles, it's just so soon after this one

[tepid stirrup]

Even if that weren't the case we're now on our second (very good!) UW set in as many years that's getting run over roughshod in terms of promotion by much louder UB promotion

[leaden tide]

Yeah. Which is pretty depressing.

[surreal stag]

Yea might be a rough go on arena. But at least I’ll see the stupid fake copies

[leaden tide]

Not for Turtles, Wizards actually managed to get the digital rights for that.

[surreal stag]

Ewwwwwwwwwww

[tepid stirrup]

I'm probably more forgiving on UB choices than you are but for me the concerning line is UB coming at the expense of UW

[surreal stag]

Oh well

[leaden tide]

It's only Marvel that has that particular issue, with Marvel Snap having exclusive digital card game rights.

[wanton hazel]

yeah the Arena UWs are entirely a Marvel thing

[leaden tide]

Yeah I don't like that either. But I also am a stickler about crossovers at least feeling right.

[tepid stirrup]

I like the Arena UW for Spider-man almost to a card better than the actual Spider-man choices

[leaden tide]

And that's the soft version of my crossover stance.

-# iykyk

[surreal stag]

But the cards were so BAAAAAAADDD

[tepid stirrup]

They are, its a bad set, but the Spider-man art choices are also just bafflingly bad

[surreal stag]

glad I missed that one

[tepid stirrup]

The Arena set at least managed to have some bangers in it

Artistically

[surreal stag]

I do have regrets that I love my Toph/Bumi deck so much given the Toph art has a problematic artist

[tepid stirrup]

Edge of Eternities might be top 3 sets artistically for me overall and it got sacrificed at the altar of Spider-man and I will be forever sad about that, it deserved better

[surreal stag]

I wish I didn’t find landfall boring AF I love hearthhull

[leaden tide]

Even if some of this is just obviously slush from recent sets, they did a good job of using it.

Ope didn't mean to hit enter yet

Wanted to specifically shout out this art as well.

[leaden tide]

Yeah EoE is just a masterpiece of art-design.

I like the art of Lorwyn Eclipsed a lot, but EoE still looks better imo

It's just that good

[surreal stag]

The LE art is so peak. One of the top reasons I went to a prerelease

It’s so my jam

[tepid stirrup]

I'm not a huge fan of the Jim Henson thing

[surreal stag]

Yea that was…..rough

[tepid stirrup]

They cooked, don't get me wrong, but its just not a style I like

[leaden tide]

While I liked the visuals, the...tone of it was real weird.

[surreal stag]

Being a muppets fan boy it wasn’t so bad but yea idk still off

[tepid stirrup]

They just nailed it. 100/10

Astelli Reclaimer might be my all time favorite single card, and I'm a total sucker for space whales

[leaden tide]

Astelli Reclaimer is my playmat, she's sooooo pretty

These ones also do it for me. And I could post at least a dozen more too

[lucid jewel]

Cant forget these elves when talking trans magic cards

Also same artist for the new one as Elsh norn

[leaden tide]

Hmm, they do kinda have that classic MtF body type too...

[lucid jewel]

What precon should I pick up next

Im undecided between the new -1/-1 counters or abzan armour

Cause putting doran and the wall of ba sing se into abzan armour sounds sweet but so does -1/-1 counters

[dense orchid]

My roommate has had so much fun with the Abzan deck

[tepid stirrup]

This is interesting:

https://x.com/sierkovitz/status/2013282002493968795

Sierkovitz (@Sierkovitz)

Power 9 is no more. It is power 11. Here is how i found it:

So.... It was put to my attention that Arena powered cube never has packs with 2 pieces of power 9 in them.

I was sceptical, but turns out it is true.

I looked at ~18000 drafts and results are striking.

1/5

X · Jan 19, 2026, 4:06 PM

https://x.com/sierkovitz/status/2013282008949023085

Sierkovitz (@Sierkovitz)

Cards never seen together have a suspiciously inflated sample size (56). Too suspicious to ignore. If you look at those pairs, 11 cards are responsible by all but 1 of the pairs (10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 = 55). And they look quite familliar:

3/5

X · Jan 19, 2026, 4:06 PM

https://x.com/sierkovitz/status/2013282011184533531

Sierkovitz (@Sierkovitz)

9 cards from Power 9 plus Sol Ring and Mana Crypt never occur in the same pack. So WotC is seeding them in Powered Cube boosters. Which means they are treated as power outliers in the most powered limited format so in limited, we should start talking about power 11.

4/5

X · Jan 19, 2026, 4:06 PM

[rare sparrow]

weird, because i have seen some streamers/youtubers get 2nd pick "power 11" cards in arena cube

i wonder what people are taking over a mox

[dense orchid]

This clearly means Sol Ring should get banned in commander. Or at least become a game changer

[tepid stirrup]

That is the joke, isn't it

They've openly discussed it before, it isn't going anywhere

[rare sparrow]

it is kind of a joke to me that it isn't banned or a game changer, but i also accept that it won't change

[tepid stirrup]

In no small part because way too many precons have a Sol Ring with bespoke art in it I'm sure

Is the mass proliferation of Sol Ring bad for Commander? I dunno, I tend to think its kind of a wash and leans a little bad, but I also think its a genie far too long gone to track down and stuff back in the bottle

[dense orchid]

I mean, not all the power 9 are banned (looking at you Timetwister). But Sol Ring really should become a game changer

[lucid jewel]

We are way past putting the soul ring back in the box

Its here to stay

[rare sparrow]

yeah, it's something i can be disappointed on, but it's not the hill to die on if you are arguing about banning something and want to die on a hill. like, i think sol ring is clearly a more powerful card than rhystic study, but i'd much rather argue to ban rhystic study than sol ring

because no one will seriously consider banning sol ring

[lucid jewel]

Sol ring shouldn't be a game changer imo because it dosent change the game

[rare sparrow]

it's more powerful than other fast mana that are game changers

[tepid stirrup]

Everyone's always considering banning Rhystic Study

[rare sparrow]

if you mean "it's not a game changer because the game doesn't change when you include it in your deck because it's in 100% of decks" i'm not on board with that argument

plenty of people don't like how it changes the game and either refuse to put it in their decks or only play it because they feel like they have to

[tepid stirrup]

The counterargument to this is, if your game is notably different if you have a turn 1 (or 2) Sol Ring vs if you don't it probably should be a game changer

[rare sparrow]

i forget the exact numbers, but edhrecast did a data episode recently where they discussed data from all the games they played in 2025, and something like 60%+ of players in their games who played a t1 sol ring won the game

absurdly swingy for a 4 player format

[tepid stirrup]

And how many of the remaining 40% also got a t1 Sol Ring

[rare sparrow]

and presumably that's 60% despite having a huge target on their back from the first turn of the game

[leaden tide]

Abzannnnnn. Put that thing in reverse

[leaden tide]

This tracks. Sol Ring is a well-known outlier amongst Commander staples, and mana Crypt is, well Mana Crypt

[lucid jewel]

Bring out the thickness?

[leaden tide]

Exactly

[tepid stirrup]

"Power Nine" sounds punchier than "Power Eleven" though

[leaden tide]

Also a good chunk of the ban list in Commander is for accessibility reasons, not power reasons.

[tepid stirrup]

Something very funny about seeing eight artifacts and three blue cards though

[leaden tide]

Sol Ring has been reprinted into the dirt and back, you're only paying more than $2 for a copy if you want a super special edition. It's plenty accessible.

[leaden tide]

If that's not emblamatic of Magic design for a good chunk of its history, idk what is

[leaden tide]

But yeah this is why, imo, it's a good thing Crypt and Jeweled Lotus are banned, but Sol Ring is fine. The former two were like $50 a pop if you got a really good deal. But everyone can run Sol Ring if they want.

And honestly, I find myself not running it a bunch.

In my spellslinger deck, a lot of spells only have 1 colorless mana cost at most, and I also have a couple cost-reducers anyways.

My decks with green, I prefer other types of ramp.

It can lead to some explosive early turns in some decks, but that's just a fun way to engage with the format imo. Give some spicy variance to games.

[tepid stirrup]

I do feel like its pretty easy game changer territory

And if we're doing this more granular system for evaluating cards, why not?

[lucid jewel]

I think if commander was less social and more competative as its primary driving force then things like banning or making sol ring a game changer makes sense

But as it stands the primary driving force of commander is social, casual, creative

[leaden tide]

Yeah. As for why it's a not a game-changer, that one...it's just been printed too much.

Game-changers aren't in every precon

Also I looked up Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus prices over recent years, and this is hilarious

Both had massive spikes up to their pre-ban prices when the bracket system was announced, and when the first update for it was published a couple months later. Because the finance bros thought they'd get put on game-changer status 🤣

But yeah, this imo is why Crypt and Jeweled Lotus needed to go, and why Sol Ring is fine.

[lucid jewel]

That looks like some speculative asset bs being applied to our cardboard crack game

Smh

[tepid stirrup]

I don't think availability is the only consideration to be fair

[tepid stirrup]

Assuming this is true I do think this merits a consideration on weight of its strength

[leaden tide]

No it's not. But it is a useful consideration imo.

[wanton hazel]

I imagine the #1 reason to hesitate is the fact that it's in so many precons, they probably don't want people to hesitate about playing their products unaltered at lower brackets, and calling a commonly included card a game changer would just complicate that discussion

'your 2025 precon is now Bracket 3, enjoy playing against upgraded decks', that sort of thing

it's an idea to be seriously considered, and if it seems to be necessary for the long-term health of the game, maybe you do it anyway, but I think it's probably correct to consider it carefully and not be too hasty

[lucid jewel]

Recognizing that they're clearly destined for stardom, we are pleased to be offering Squen and Cragg card sleeves in the MTG Arena Store! Just be careful. We found in testing that it's alarmingly easy to get lost in their eyes and forget it's your turn

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/announcements-january-19-2026?utm_medium=playerinbox&utm_source=arena

The sleevs look so good

[turbid falcon]

Regarding sol ring in commander I tend to agree with the idea that frankly sol ring by itself is not an issue

Does it accelerate early game? Sure, but it's also well within the abilities of a 4 player pod to deal with that acceleration

But as soon as you start upping that consistency of powerful mana acceleration then it becomes an issue

[turbid falcon]

This as well

And it's used as a promo art card basically all the time

Locking it out of lower powered decks as the singular positive mana rock allowed feels like it backfire far harder than just people self regulating it if they don't think it's fair

I've just never found it to be an issue in games I play

[wanton hazel]

salt time, I bought a Lorwyn bundle, the bundles usually come with one copy of all three land cards regular, and one copy of all three in foil, but for Lorwyn, it was just one copy of one of them, and two copies of a second land

I thought they were just being lazy and only made two lands for the set, but no, in my packs I'd find a third for a few colors

anyway I have 32 packs worth of cards so I'm trying to figure out how many decks to try to build with them for 'kitchen table' purposes

[lucid jewel]

This is interesting I didnt know all of this stuff about the stamp

https://youtu.be/jiOlTszAT74

Like I was curious about them removing it this set but it makes sense

[surreal stag]

My friend loves his big booty deck

[rare sparrow]

re: giant prereleases that he talks about, it was weird playing lorwyn eclipsed prerelease in a store, because when i played original lorwyn prerelease ages ago, it was in a convention center

mentally comparing the two felt very strange

[lucid jewel]

I think it will be a deck i buy

Especially with the recent support

I think its much more "ethical" and will have less hate directed at me than the -1/-1 counters deck

[surreal stag]

Yea the blight deck is just a grind you into the ground while I get all the value in the world lol

I’d have it done and ready to play but Slimefoot & Squee continues to be a problem child

[leaden tide]

Yeah, what's cool is it also has parts that are useful for other decks.

Like, toughness matters is probably the predominant theme, but it also has life-gain and +1/+1 cards that you can either replace/spin out into other decks, or expand upon for a more balanced strategy.

[lucid jewel]

Oh nice that will be great then

Cause -1/-1 counts only really has support for that

[leaden tide]

Yeah. I decided to go all-in on the toughness matters, but you can do a lot with the deck as a base.

Haven't had a chance to play that version of the deck quite yet, waiting for a couple last cards to arrive in the mail.

[lucid jewel]

Can you show me the version your shifting to

[leaden tide]

https://archidekt.com/decks/18413717/i_like_big_toughness_and_i_cannot_lie

I currently don't have Walls of Ba Sing Se, will be using the new Doran instead for now.

[lucid jewel]

only an hour to go untill i can open lorwyn packs on mtga

hype

[lucid jewel]

ill look through this once i have the precon, how many changes did you make to it

or is this your version of what toughness matters could do

also do you have that version of betor cause it looks so good

[leaden tide]

A quick count of non-land cards says this is about....54% made from pre-con cards? Several of the changes are quite cheap (Bar the Door, Driven/Despair, etc), a few are a dollar or two (MacCready, Spidersilk Armor), and then there's a couple more expensive upgrades that are entirely optional (Betor, Ba Sing Se)

But yeah this is me going all-in on the thoughness matters.

[leaden tide]

Sadly I do not, just the normal frame version of him. That version is what the app added by default, and I never bothered changing it.

[lucid jewel]

i think i might even have a wall somewhere and i hope to open a doran once i can open some irl lorwyn product

i also think i might use someone like doran or betor as the commander rather than felothar

[leaden tide]

Great Forest Druid is a good common to keep an eye open for in Lorwyn.

[lucid jewel]

is that the 0/4 mana dork?

[leaden tide]

Yeah whatever's more your style. I personally prefer to have some card advantage in the Command zone.

[lucid jewel]

lol it updates live as i have the page open

thats cool

[leaden tide]

Oh that's fun.

[lucid jewel]

even has a "notification" of sorts

[leaden tide]

Interesting

Anyways yeah, there's a couple more expensive upgrades you can easily skip (Walls of Ba Sing Se, Birds of Paradise, the shock lands, etc)

[lucid jewel]

oh yeah not getting shock lands for a bit i do however think i have a bop somewhere

ill also look around at what others are doing to upgrade it after i buy it

and have played it a few times to get a vibe for what i want

[leaden tide]

Anyways I was organizing my basic lands last night and uh.

I'd forgotten about this one

[lucid jewel]

whats special about that island

[surreal stag]

when do they go live?

[surreal stag]

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Spoiler: Human Anatomy

[lucid jewel]

now ish, so with in the next hour or 2

once the patch is live you can open packs

[wanton hazel]

yeah sometimes there are delays and it doesn't go live right at the expected time

[lucid jewel]

https://mtga.untapped.gg/constructed/standard/early-access-decks?decks-sort-by=matches gonna be looking at these decks for inspiration on what deck ill try out in standard today

[wanton hazel]

I wonder how much I'd have to pay to get a reasonable standard deck, like 20 rare wildcards are 50 bucks

[lucid jewel]

Not much really because you get plenty from just opening packs

If you wanted to just raw buy wild cards sure it will be quite expensive

[surreal stag]

GOT A SECOND AJANI!

sorry casps

got my packs lol

full art bitter blossom!

[lucid jewel]

1st deck im trying is elf ball

https://i.imgur.com/kGdVAcs.png

i also had 3 green quests so it was fated

[surreal stag]

nice

[wanton hazel]

huh, Arena has faction sealed pools?

[lucid jewel]

did it for avatar as well