Warhammer

[royal stone]

Otherwise I would assume you saw Storm Guardians, who have only 2 flamers per 10 elves and are also bad at killing literally anything tougher than a gaunt

[carmine vapor]

What ever the composition is that runs the guy with all the swords and the flame aura looking thing

There was some flamey looking boys I cant remember it was a bit ago I vsed some elves

Don't know if it was literal flamers

And I might be miss remembering

[burnt widget]

who needs guns when you can just exist 6 in away and force them to deal with you before they can move out of their deployment zone

[muted turtle]

General 40k/Horus Heresy||i think the only two that definetly arent coming back are Horus and Sanguinius but all the others are possible||

[ornate ledge]

||I hope Curze and Ferrus stay dead too.||

[exotic hollow]

||I was gonna say, Ferrus will stay dead too||

[muted turtle]

||Didnt Curze turn into a ravenlike warp entity and fought Chaos demons? I havent read the story just heard some stuff about where he ended up||

[ornate ledge]

||that's Corvus. Curze got decapitated by a Callidus assassin.||

[pastel snow]

General Nightlords Lore ||Curze had a crown. The crown is always described as having a bright red gemstone.

Eldar have Soulstones. Soulstones are normally red. When the Eldar holding a Soulstone dies, the soul goes into the gem and it turns green.

When Talos fixes Curze’s crown, the gem is green….

Flash forward 10,000 years, the Space Sharks have a crown with a green gem in the middle and they say it once belonged to their Mystery Primarch as one their most prized possessions||

[exotic hollow]

||I'd be mad if Curze came back, just because him dying to an imperial assassin is such a perfect end for him. I've spoken at length about what ADB did for the Night Lords and having him not die would just undermine his tragedy||

[west cairn]

Nightlords ||I think that the Talos son thing that ADB set up could work with this crown to provide a successor to Curze without bringing Curze back||

[exotic hollow]

||You know, yeah I'd be down for ghost Curze screaming insane violent ramblings into a poor Marines head while he tries to put the ole legion back together||

[pastel snow]

All nightlords Trilogy end ||if only GW remembered Decimus was a thing, period ||😔

||it would be like Master Chief and Cortana, but insanely unhealthy to comical degrees ||

[exotic hollow]

||Decimus: Finally, I have Curzes crown. Now I will have his guidance on reuniting our legion
Curze, as soon as Decimus puts the crown on: HATE HATE HATE, LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE||

[royal stone]

I love the footnotes in the Ciaphas Cain books

[burnt widget]

the ynarri storyline was good its just they gave up on it for some god forsaken reason

[ornate ledge]

I prefer the reading that Yarrick was killed by Angron.

That skull at the bottom looks familiar.

Ignore the studs that definitely mean it is a space marine.

Never noticed those before.

[burnt widget]

i don't like the idea of anybody killing him tbh since im a believer in the ork's think he's unkillable and therefore he is

[royal stone]

The best theory I've heard is that the Ynnari plot line was likely part of a 40k End Times setup considering the timing with those events for Fantasy irl and that Slaanesh got beat up by the elf gods to rescue all the elf souls in AoS. When the actual End Times went disastrously, we got the soft reboot of 8th edition onwards instead

Well not reboot, but update to the setting and game as a whole

Anyway though I do want Illic to get a new plastic model since I think he and the Aeldari Corsairs in general are very cool

[royal stone]

Okay this last part of the War of the Beast is somehow even worse than the rest

[ornate ledge]

I think the saddest thing about the War of the Beast is that it is such a big event for Orks and there isnt a single Ork PoV. I mean there is enough of a writing problem that they probably would have fumbled that too, but can you imagine seeing the Prime-Orks just being goofy Orks and the Ork diplomats giving their thoughts on the High Lords of Terra?

[royal stone]

Yeah it's surprisingly bad at showing Orks in a freaking Ork book

Also as stupid as it is, Prime-Orks is a fantastic name

[pastel snow]

And may the War of the Beast forever be forgotten

Nothing ever happened in the 5,000 year timespan between The Scouring and The Age of Apostasy

[ornate ledge]

In the Ad Ric video they suggested that the whole series might have been made up just to say that, and honestly if that were true I could almost forgive them for all of it.

[summer granite]

Possum making E33 references. 😤

[muted turtle]

Built a warglaive, putting it together was really fun

[pastel snow]

Highly reliable leak sources say Battle Fleet Gothic will return, but be set in Heresy Era

[ornate ledge]

I'd play it. Be a bit sad for no Xenos but Id still play it.

Actually that really restricts their options for cool ships if it is just heresy era Imperium.

[royal stone]

I want Eldar sailboat ships 😩

[pastel snow]

Heresy content has been outselling 10th edition like crazy.
If 11th doesn’t course correct, GW is just going to put all chips on Heresy and 40k will just get the occasional token acknowledgment

[ornate ledge]

Outselling 10th is not an indication that 10th is not selling. 40k vastly more popular than it has ever been.

[pastel snow]

Correct, 40k is in its most popular position ever, but not the tabletop portion of the pie

The games (especially SM2 being the most sold 40k game Ever), last batch of books, and the one Secret Level ep have been doing the heavy lifting in spreading 40k

[ornate ledge]

Id argue that since COVID the tabletop has also reached the peak in its popularity so far. Maybe it has tapered a little since then, but not too much.

[royal stone]

Well that would explain why so many Heresy things have gone to Legends in 40k

[ornate ledge]

10th is extremely new person friendly. It is the easiest it has ever really been to get into the tabletop.

[burnt widget]

in what regard do you mean heresy is outselling like in models or books

becuase if your talking models the heresy models are better looking and cheaper than the 40k space marines so poeple buy them for 40k

Thats not a sign that heresy as a tabletop is doing better

[pastel snow]

The tabletop is what I was referring to, yes

[burnt widget]

yeah thats down to price and model quality but 40k is still doing fine its the prefered game

[royal stone]

My anti-marine solution

[muted turtle]

If i wanna get just the "main story" of the Horus Heresy, which books should i read?

[half umbra]

One of the 40k wikis

[ornate ledge]

The first four, First Heretic and Betrayer, and the Siege of Terra series. Other than that you can jump around wherever you want.

There is one other book that is required to get Loken's full story but idk what it is.

[muted turtle]

oh that sounds easy enough, thanks

[exotic hollow]

Yeah it quickly splits off into a dozen substories. Limpys suggestion is good but you'll miss some great books that are technically "side" stories (I don't wanna get into it too much as it gets really complex really quick)

[muted turtle]

oh yeah, dw i've seen the flowchart

[exotic hollow]

Okay cool

[muted turtle]

main reason i came in here and asked instead of figuring it out myself

when should i read Master of Mankind though? after the first four books?

[exotic hollow]

Some of my favourites that are off the beaten path, Legion (if you care about alpha legion), mechanicum (if you care about Imperial Knights, it basically established their existence), Thousands Sons/Prospero Burns is a great duology focusing on Thousand Sons and Space Wolves, Vulcan Lives (stomp stomp) and Unremebered Empire are also a fantastic duology, featuring like 5 legions

[exotic hollow]

Should be one of the last you read before Siege of Terra

[muted turtle]

i figured

[ornate ledge]

Im also a big fan of Nathaniel Garro so the Flight of the Eisenstein is a good one for me.

[royal stone]

This sucks

It'll turn out fine but the process is rough

[burnt widget]

Orange sucks

[royal stone]

https://youtu.be/9DsjfGOq7OY?si=rB4V-tYiZ1jWmRa9

[royal stone]

Language

[muted turtle]

https://vxtwitter.com/ordinarytings/status/1985293696334516374

Josh Otten (@ordinarytings)

The Drone War Economy has led to mechanised absurdities that would embarrass even the 40k Universe.

QRT: baelthass404
I do not know what to say,anymore

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 3, 2025, 10:31 AM

an Orc would look at this and call you stupid for making it

[burnt widget]

Turns out netting is suprisingly effective at stoping drones

[carmine vapor]

those tanks look awesome

[west cairn]

those are not really nets, they are like broom bristles

[burnt widget]

Yeah I mean in general

Anything that keeps the drone away from plating

[carmine vapor]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3669620/Warhammer_Survivors/

Steam

Warhammer Survivors

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[royal stone]

Not what I expected but that seems fun

[west cairn]

it's weird that it's not just dlc for vampire survivors

[deft dragon]

okay but consider: Games Workshop would get less money from their cut of the profit if it was a DLC

[half umbra]

So how much more than $5 do we think it'll be?

[ornate ledge]

It might even be free but with plenty of in game purchases and/or ads.

[carmine vapor]

Would be fun if the Lego models are game legal

Or at least some of them

Using Lego ppl for mass armies sounds fun

[muted turtle]

Didnt notice this was Lego thought they wanted capitalships on the tabletop

[pastel snow]

Have you tried giving it a silly little hat? It might feel better if you give it a silly little hat. :0

https://vxtwitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1986811312433770558

Owlcat Games (@OwlcatGames)

What is the Tyrant Star? An incomprehensible phenomenon, a harbinger of doom, a terrifying astronomical object. No one knows for sure what the Tyrant Star really is.
#Warhammer40000
#DarkHeresy

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx • GIF · Nov 7, 2025, 3:01 PM

[west cairn]

Rogue Trader ||they certainly love to have stars doing werid things in their games||

[muted turtle]

another Reveal stream, another new Ultramarine kit

[royal stone]

Okay but that's really cool

[pastel snow]

Drip, but at wut cost

[muted turtle]

only reason im not mad at it

we just got a new Calgar

okay, also a sick new Necron

[pastel snow]

Excuse me, an Astartes is missing some shoulder pads

[west cairn]

all those 40k models were mogged by Festus

[pastel snow]

Titus got tired of being told “I can only spare 3 men.” So he took over bro’s job as company captain

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrulR3PhGY

[ornate ledge]

This is the coolest thing I have ever seen.

[west cairn]

they are neat models but I expected the lore to be somehow related to their split designs

[ornate ledge]

I mean I like it from a design angle because they are supposed to be the Twin Lance so them being inverse of each other is very cool. Especially since one has anti-heavy and the other has anti-infantry. The lore isnt super deep but I am just so happy to finally get new T'au characters.

[pastel snow]

Someone is gonna kitbash the mixed bits of each to reform what each would look like with the mono design in the first week, you watch

[burnt widget]

I think the paintjob is doing alot of work there

I question if they will be elevated above the typical tau vehicle with an average. to below paintjob

[pastel snow]

Well I guess this is going to be GW’s answer to the mess of a spiderweb all 52 pre-siege of Terra books….. they are just going to say these 12 books are necessary

Take of it as you will. Yes there are already major problems like litteraly forgetting Horus Heresy: Legion which introduces the Alpha Legion and John Gramsticus

Then again, this is the same company that thinks The Beast: I am Slaughter and Black Legion: Abadon are appropriate in the New To Warhammer Beginners section

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/17oswfuf/world-championships-preview-experience-the-greatest-hits-of-the-horus-heresy-saga-in-a-new-curated-series/

[royal stone]

mannnnnn they really gotta make new Crisis suits in the same proportions as all these character models

[burnt widget]

do you want them to be even more expensive?

[royal stone]

They're already $80

[burnt widget]

Exactly new models means even more expensive crisis suits

[exotic hollow]

Man good on Titus

Went from non canon captain to canon captain

Proud of him

Leandros in tatters

[pastel snow]

We got models of what ranks Gadriel and “The Old Man” are up to

What give GeeDubs?

[muted turtle]

they basically killed a Captain in a sidenote, i dont think they care about Chiron

[pastel snow]

I mean we can probably figure how the previous guy got disposed

Guilliman: “I need you to reclaim the 500 worlds of Ultramar.”

Acaron: “Best I can do is 300. No more, no less.”

Guilliman: [frowns as you hear the click of Primarch sized bolt pistol being loaded]

[muted turtle]

actually this reminds me of smth from the Dark Imperium trilogy

Dark Imperium ||in Godblight there is that one scholar that gets tempted by Rotigus to read a book that details an empire Sanuinius once had. Now this plotpoint ends with Rotigus showing this off to his rival and explaining how revealing the book to this scholar will have big consequences and the text even says the scholar seems disturbed by the information in the book. But this takes place in Macragge, the heart of Ultramar. And Ultramar is basically Guillimans own lil empire within the empire. So like, why is the scholar so disturbed by another Primarch also having an empire of his own? Seems like a pretty natural thing to happen especially since the guy is relatively close to Guilliman (i think he directly reports to him about whatever ancient secret texts he finds?||

[ornate ledge]

Hey, hey, they said that they would get to it more next week.

[ornate ledge]

Dark Imperium ||the problem was that the Imperium Secundus was not just Sanguinius' Empire, it was Guilliman's and the Lion's as well. The reason this is a big thing is that it shows that once before, during the Horus Heresy Guilliman basically unintentionally tried to split off as his own empire while the Emperor was still alive and so Guilliman's political opponents would basically want to use this to say that Guilliman is a traitor and he is trying to userp the Emperor as the ruler of mankind.||

[muted turtle]

SM2 ||wonder how much Leandros is seething that Titus is now Captain again||

[muted turtle]

Started making a Shield captain and it's always nice to see how well a model comes together with each added color

[royal stone]

He looks great

[muted turtle]

I heard complaints that he is too wide but its just his spear sticking out a lot. Otherwise really happy with the model

Now if only the Allarus and Jetbike captains could also get cool minis

[jade parrot]

So I've been missing out on Warhammer for a looooong time

For the last month or so I've been devouring Warhammer content, played the space marine games, darktide

Now I'm playing rogue trader

Watched some animations as well, Astartes, the secret level episode too

When you discover a new big universe to spend time in, it's such a good feeling

I was wondering if Warhammer+ is worth buying, for the animated shows, or if there are any standout series of books

The hrous heresy is 64 books in total lol

[pastel snow]

[royal stone]

My setup to make the rest of these Fire Dragons go better

Still gotta finish that first one but at least his orange is done

[carmine vapor]

What's the typical price point on the battle force boxes

These ones

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/igr8gyao/sunday-preview-start-new-armies-in-a-flash-with-bountiful-battleforce-boxes/

[royal stone]

~$250 iirc

[carmine vapor]

Wish I had moneys cause that's a pretty good deal

[burnt widget]

220-250 usually centered closer to 240 would be my guess

[royal stone]

Unrelated but I realized my magnets let my models stick on the fridge

[carmine vapor]

Yasss

I love that

Tbh if you have an outdoor freezer or an old fridge you could use it as a decent priming surface

[royal stone]

I just use some cardboard

[barren gyro]

$250 at my flgs

[carmine vapor]

Mine is offering a 10% discount on preorders

Just wish I had the cash

[muted turtle]

Spoilers for the new space marine release || https://x.com/Bricky/status/1988275978360291552?t=Y3LMMTcAa3Aw208_XXzFeQ&s=19 ||

Bricky 🧱 (@Bricky)

They killed them BOTH off in a Warcom article!? Offscreen?!

X · Nov 11, 2025, 4:01 PM

||Yeah so Chiron and Acheran are both dead. Kinda bums me out||

[exotic hollow]

||Why? They gave their lives in service to the Emperor. What more noble end could you give one of the Emperors chosen???||

[muted turtle]

||would've liked to see Chiron on Space Marine 3 and Acheran could've become a dreadnought||

[pastel snow]

Already the memes are here 😭

[ornate ledge]

Poor lads.

[deft dragon]

new space marines stuff ||I feel like they could've gotten an end nobler than getting offscreened ||

[pastel snow]

What’s next? End of 11th edition some random nobody GW intern tweets “Oh btw, Calgar got jumped and Titus is Chapter Master now! :0”
and it’s considered completely canon?

[burnt widget]

I suspect that we will get something like a warhammer+ animation

[ornate ledge]

SM2 DLC.

[royal stone]

Or SM3 opening. That would be cool

[ornate ledge]

Then SM3 is all about Titus during the 500 worlds campaign. That would be pretty good.

[royal stone]

Who's currently occupying and/or attacking Ultramar?

[muted turtle]

Imperium has Ultramar i think

Who is attacking it? Whoever GW wants to, i guess

[pastel snow]

While Gulliman has been busy on Terra the following has happened to the ultramar realm

• Many worlds are still devesated from Morty’s temper tantrum
• Several worlds just so happened to be Necron worlds
• The Bugs!
• Orks got bored with Armageddon not paying attention to them anymore (it’s only Impirium vs chaos over there now) so they went over here
• GW finally remembered the anime fish cows are neighbors to Ultramar so they are going to hit Ultramar in the shins while they are distracted with the hundreds of much bigger Oh No’s to deal with (hence the new tau twins)

Part 1 of the 500 Worlds 10th edition finale will be Titus vs the Necrons
(like how Arcs of omen was a multi parter end of 9th)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fm2tm39s/world-championships-preview-captain-titus-battles-nekrosor-ammentar-for-the-five-hundred-worlds-of-ultramar/

[pastel snow]

-# [this is a joke about them managing to kill a Helmetless, Named Ultramarine, the most powerful unit in Da-Lore™ ]

[ornate ledge]

Actually that one was from the time that the community got to vote for them to conquer a planet and get their Codex before the Marines got theirs.

[muted turtle]

https://vxtwitter.com/mixuen_chan/status/1988598167957610621?t=FFfIj5iX3mQ5pdOEUirBQQ&s=19

Sarah ✨ (@mixuen_chan)

MOM THEY DID IT AGAIN

QRT: mixuen_chan
they did it

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 12, 2025, 1:22 PM

Twitter showed me the artist

[royal stone]

Aight this is much better

[royal stone]

The memes about this have been glorious

[ornate ledge]

Ultramarines = Space Romans

What if:

Guilliman has an Italian accent?

[royal stone]

Unfortunately everyone in Warhammer is legally required to have a British accent

[pastel snow]

Sanginius and Blood Angles from Bhaal are described as having “The Bhaal Accent”, which is described as a slow talking drawl….
…. Sanguinious sounds like a cowboy

[ornate ledge]

Perfect.

[muted turtle]

Finished up the Shield Captain

[summer granite]

thicc

[muted turtle]

He is pretty chonky compared to a Marine

[coral abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3HhCyPFbVc

[royal stone]

Most of the base coats done

[muted turtle]

https://x.com/Lorgarwasright/status/1990306545977172233?t=5RJfko1NVkVimOFmr9ylrA&s=19

Lorgar Aurelian (@Lorgarwasright)

X · Nov 17, 2025, 6:30 AM

[carmine vapor]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTMEuE9Gq/

Update on this, its so good looking

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTMEH6yhX/ found the actual "final" reveal

I hope this person makes more alters in this style

[loud estuary]

Okay but tbf Imperium troops appropriating the symbols of peace for their war machines with no understanding of the history is like the most 40k thing I've ever seen

[ornate ledge]

This is perfect.

[pastel snow]

[language warning]

[pastel snow]

“Strange women sitting in ponds and handing out weapons is not a legitimate form of government.”

[pastel snow]

Language warning

[royal stone]

Poor Lamenters

[exotic hollow]

Guys I wanna talk about warhammer 3 total war for a sec because they added something delightful

They added in the recent patch some new unusual locations (when you conquer a settlement, it has a random chance of something cool or funky or harmful spawning)

And they added one called Tzeentchs cabal, which, when you have a lord end it's turn in the same province as the cabal with 20 lord defeat traits (essentially, defeated 20 lords in combat) then the cabal disappears and the next time it appears in a future campaign, will have a new, more powerful effect

And it has tiered levels to this, so it starts giving you a chance that an army that's killed to respawn, to a chance that when a city is conquered that you just get all settlements in that province

But it's top level is that when you start your next campaign, Tzeentch factions already own the world with the exception of your faction

I don't think they've ever done something like this and this is DELIGHTFUL because it's super powerful but if you do it 10 times, Tzeentch wins and it basically bricks your game

[west cairn]

They really went balls to the wall with the recent unusual locations. I didn't even realize half the stuff was possible

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-monster-rotfl-gif-14520250

[muted turtle]

big brain move is to play Tzeentch then and get an automatic win (i have no clue if you can actually play as Chaos in this game)

[ornate ledge]

You can but they would probably be considered a different Tzeench faction.

[exotic hollow]

Yeah and generally they don't like each other 😛 and yeah there's like... A dozen chaos factions

Maybe more

[west cairn]

Chaos is the Space Marines of Total War Warhammer

Not to be confused with Space Marines who will be the Space Marines of Total War Warhammer 40k (to be announced Dec 4th)

[loud estuary]

Wat

[exotic hollow]

The long rumoured 40k total war is rumoured to be announced on 4th December

[loud estuary]

No, I mean what does "Chaos is the Space Marines" mean?

[exotic hollow]

Chaos warriors are basically space marines, compared to empire troops that are basically dudes with leather surcoats with pointy sticks

[ornate ledge]

40k total war is going to have to be structured so much differently than a normal total war game it will be interesting if they actually are doing it.

[west cairn]

They get a lot of content

I am imagining a sector map with planets that act as regions (i.e. they are made up of provinces that each have their own building slots)

[ornate ledge]

It is less the overworld that I think needs to change too drastically in function, and more the actual battles, because while yes there are some pretty archaic ways of fighting in 40k like actual cavalry charges, most factions are very much ranged oriented, so maps probably will need to be more complex than the good old barren field with a hill or two that you get for a lot of Total War maps.

While there are majority ranged factions in fantasy like the vampire coast and some builds of empire and skaven, those still usually end up as line battles which feels less in line with hos space marines would work for example.

[west cairn]

How do space marines play in the epic scale warhammer games?

[loud estuary]

Ah. Thanks

[ornate ledge]

I mean cover and line of sight is extremely important to all versions of tabletop. But I have never played the epic scale games, though the only one that is currently for sale is almost only space marines versus space marines with small amounts of others, so it isnt necessarily a great comparison point.

[west cairn]

Hey now there's... uh mechanicus in HH?

[ornate ledge]

I said small amounts.

[west cairn]

I think WH40k will leave the emphasis on cover based combat to DoW

Like, terrain can still provide missile evasion chance or something

[ornate ledge]

Maybe, but if they do that will make the combat feel very weird.

Like, why are my guardsmen just standing in a line to be gunned down by bolters?

[west cairn]

Its their first day on the job

[ornate ledge]

They will definitely need at least as much cover and line of sight as the city maps in current total war have.

[west cairn]

For guard I could see entrenchment as a stance

[ornate ledge]

But I guess we will see if they try it and what they do to try to tackle this.

[royal stone]

In addition to what AAKS said, Warriors of Chaos also have a ton of different color-coded flavors you can play as that get different things from the other options

Which is pretty much how Space Marines work on the tabletop right now

[muted turtle]

I assume the unit sizes in 40k would probably be a lot smaller unless you play smth like Imperial Guard or Tyranids. Space Marines and similar elite armies don't have big squad sizes

[carmine vapor]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTrAVaSqq/

[muted turtle]

https://x.com/PinteresC54668/status/1995224288933331327?s=20

Malcador🇷🇴 (@PinteresC54668)

Got it !!!!!

X · Nov 30, 2025, 8:11 PM

[west cairn]

Nagash is coming (my guess is as part of an Undead DLC that'll add some more vampires (and maybe a tomb king) and rework the Vampire Counts faction). It could also be an End Times DLC but I feel like that'll happen later
https://x.com/totalwar/status/1995901498660659635

Total War (@totalwar)

He's back! Do you dare to face him? Meet him Thursday during the Total War Showcase 👀

X · Dec 2, 2025, 5:02 PM

[royal stone]

Such is the power of Nagash

[west cairn]

my guess is he'll have a new faction like the Legion of Chaos and his gimic will be recruiting undead lords from other factions

[exotic hollow]

NAGASSSSHHHH

Loved the mod for him, hope the actual version lives up to that at least

[coral abyss]

https://x.com/lorgarwasright/status/1995842057320235159

Lorgar Aurelian (@Lorgarwasright)

X · Dec 2, 2025, 1:06 PM

[pastel snow]

Thank you ma’am for providing banana for scale against Lore Accurate sized Horus

https://x.com/SpaceShark24/status/1996205482340684115?s=20

Sharky (clone) (@SpaceShark24)

There's a lady 3D printing a full sized Horus.

X · Dec 3, 2025, 1:10 PM

[ornate ledge]

So, it wasn't Total War 40k.

[west cairn]

TW 40k getting announced during game awards according to the stream

More eyeballs on that than CAs own stream

[ornate ledge]

Not sure if that image I sent failed to send or was deleted, but I realized it was AI after I sent it so either way good riddance.

[ornate ledge]

https://youtu.be/qbinpf_oB8A?si=mq_2E94Li-YAMfTp

Lion?!?!

[royal stone]

Owlcat's social media team is excellent

[royal stone]

Fun day to be an elf player

[royal stone]

Oh no. I'm listening to the new AdRic episode and I realized what this is about at the same time Bricky did

[summer granite]

This is the most cursed AdRic episode I've ever listened to.

[royal stone]

I'm only 20ish minutes in and I can tell this is gonna be a trip

[pastel snow]

Y’alls asses are mandatorily required to watch the Emperor Text To Speech episode on this book afterwards

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LwKC5fxhIZo&pp=ygUJVHRzIGRyYWNv

[royal stone]

No not that thumbnail

[royal stone]

The Hell are these quotes

[royal stone]

Why did they get this man to make the first Warhammer 40k novel?

[west cairn]

GW novels were insane

They basically let the authors write whatever

Granted the official lore wasnt much better
https://www.thegamer.com/warhammer-first-inquisitor-obiwan-sherlock-clousseau/

[royal stone]

Oh true I forgot about him

[west cairn]

They also had a half elf ultramarine at one point

[ornate ledge]

an all timer.

[royal stone]

Balance dataslate has some funny things. None of the point changes affected my brother's Death Guard and friend's Tyranids. For my other friend's Black Templars, his Crusader Ancient went down 10 points and Emperor's Champion went up 10 so he still has exactly 500 points lol. I only have one unit affected by the Aeldari changes and it was Swooping Hawks going up 10 points. My planned 1000 point list was already 990 points so it also does literally nothing

[royal stone]

Oh my gosh how many times are they going to say Ian Watson, author of Steven Spielberg's AI

[pastel snow]

Ian Watson, author of Steven Spielberg’s AI, is Ian Watson, author of Steven Spielberg’s AI
Such is Ian Watson, author of Steven Spielberg’s AI, proper title

[royal stone]

"Should we make fun of what he likes?"
slap
"YES!!!"

Also they keep breaking down laughing trying to read these quotes and that's hysterical

[ornate ledge]

"You still see through an eye you no longer have, too??"

[royal stone]

The more I listen to this the worse it gets

I do at least love Magnus/Thunderpskyer spitting out all the quotes with gusto just like DK does in the AdRic video

[west cairn]

https://youtu.be/KVgCDqLTaJk

[west cairn]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/4199910/Total_War_WARHAMMER_40000/

Steam

Total War: WARHAMMER 40,000

WAGE TOTAL WAR IN THE 41st MILLENNIUM
Total War’s award-winning fusion of turn-based strategy and colossal real-time battles descends into the grim, science-fantasy universe of Warhammer 40,000.…

Release Date

To be announced

Space Marines (seemingly many chapters based on the trailer?), Orks, Guard, Eldar

glimpse of gameplay but nothing that can really be gleaned other than I think the UI needs some work

They have said that they aren't gonna be doing preorder DLC but I feel like Chaos may still show up somehow in launch

[devout lark]

In that announcment post faq they explicitly say no chaos marines.

[west cairn]

I only recognize ultramarines

oh I didn't see an announcement post

[west cairn]

it is interesting that the dreadnaught weapon is changing

[carmine vapor]

Are all of those playable races

Like can I start as orcs

[pastel snow]

I’ve seen the green horn guys and red triple skulls but I forgor their name

[royal stone]

Yeah its Space Marines, Orks, Guard, and Eldar

[carmine vapor]

Or is it like starcraft where I have to starts as humies

I've not played total war before

[west cairn]

you pick a faction (and potentially sub faction) then play in a campaign map

[royal stone]

Eldar discord has gone feral since we didn't get into Dawn of War 4 and needed good news after Fuegan's party bus just got eviscerated

[west cairn]

there will be narrative elements but it's pretty sandbox

[devout lark]

Yeah i was not expecting them to be in there.

[carmine vapor]

Ahh so kinda like a larger more narative focused civ ish

[west cairn]

yeah with a focus on war

[devout lark]

Much more focused on real time battles and warfare in general.

[west cairn]

the battles can be autoresolved if you don't like the rts aspect

[devout lark]

One may even say the war is very total.

[carmine vapor]

I like that

Wait sega?

[west cairn]

Sega owns Creative Assembly who develop Total War

[carmine vapor]

🤔

[devout lark]

I'd say that the most common way to play is some important battles+some autoresolves.

The campaign depth usually isn't good enough imo to justify the game without the battles.

Much better options for deeper strategic campaign style games.

[west cairn]

Step into battle with renowned sub-factions and warlords from the Warhammer 40,000 universe - or forge your own custom army with unparalleled set of customisation options that bring tabletop freedom to life.
● Personalise Your Army: Name your warband, choose its sacred colours, and emblazon its regiments with an array of iconography that strikes fear into the hearts of enemies.
● Modify Your Warriors: Tailor your faction’s combat philosophy for both campaign and battle, arming them with your own unique fusion of devastating tactical abilities, signature traits, and arcane wargear.
we have an army painter confirmed

[devout lark]

That makes sense. Rather than trying to introduce every chapter.

Especially since we can seemingly modify the perks too.

[west cairn]

I still think that there will be chapter DLC stuff for the campaign level and stuff like lords and heros

[devout lark]

For sure.

They'll probably provide flavour via dlc at a bare minimum and new buffs.

And ofc LLs.

I'm guessing 2027 release at a bare minimum tbh.

They'll start the marketing cycle next spring.

[west cairn]

it's currently playable and they've let youtubers play it

apparently in an alpha state rn

the impression they gave to people was that it's releasing next year

[paper pumice]

Tbh I’m really disappointed, I didn’t really want more Warhammer. There’s multiple warhammer games coming out every year, and this barely looks like TW

[devout lark]

The gameplay pics they showed looked fairly total war to me and i think total war badly needs a shakeup anyways.

[paper pumice]

It looked more like squads and had that weird side alignment

[carmine vapor]

How quickly and how expensive should I expect something like tyranids or tau to be added

[devout lark]

Really hard to tell. If they're going the trilogy route this could take a long while.

[carmine vapor]

Don't these games add factions with dlc?

[west cairn]

probably on the order of a year or more for tyranids

definitely 2+ years for Tau imo

[devout lark]

It's a mix. They add factions as dlc but the warhammer trilogy also kept some big factions for sequels.

High elves were only added with warhammer 2 for example.

[west cairn]

imo chaos, tyanids, and tau are a good bet for the factions that get added to the first game

[devout lark]

Chaos is a guarantee imo. Tyranids are pretty likely but idk about the Tau.

They can milk the existing factions for a lot of dlcs.

[west cairn]

going by the fantasy blueprint there'd be 3 paid faction DLCs (and potentally an FLC faction although I think brettonia was a special case for WH1 due to geography)

[devout lark]

I think a new space marine legion chapters and lords or a branch of the imperium would be there for sure.

Sisters of battle or admech or something of that nature.

[west cairn]

new space marine chapter would be like adding Vlad to the Vampire Counts rather than adding Wood Elves to the game imo

[carmine vapor]

Chaos 1st dlc. Tyranids 2nd imo

Then by the sound of that

[devout lark]

I think there's enough variation and basically market demand to sell something like the blood Angels or the Dark Angels as a DLC.

[west cairn]

it would be a DLC

[devout lark]

I mean as a carrying force of a dlc. Especially if they put The Lion on it.

[burnt widget]

I think mechanically it wouild be less diffirent than other armies but the appeal would come from the campaign

[west cairn]

so historically (pun unintended) when a new subfaction is added to TWW it's dlc comes with units which are universally available to all the other subfactions along with maybe one or two subfaction specific units

I don't really know enough about the subfactions in 40k to tell if that kind of thing will continue

but yeah I imagine that for most factions the vast majority of difference between subfactions will be felt in campaign

[devout lark]

Depends. If we're talking space marines there's definitely enough room for completely unique units for every different legion's chapters.

[carmine vapor]

So how do these games run with building an army

In game

Is it more 4x or more rts

[devout lark]

Definitely more 4x.

Take settlements, settlements provide money, build them up to train specific kinds of units.

If i were to oversimplify it.

[devout lark]

Off hand, the dark angels get superweapons, blood angels get vampirism and the black rage, white scars get bikes, etc.

[west cairn]

during battle there seems to be a reinforcement system where you can summon more units to the battlefield (at least for space marines) but all the army building is done through the turn based campaign map where you building buildings and collect resources to recruit units into armies

there are also going to be Lords and Heros who have skill trees and equipment who lead/can join armies as well as do stuff on the campaign map

[carmine vapor]

Gaz im sure will exist and ill be able to build out a skill tree for him

I wonder if things like playing crusher stampede vs tunnel snakes vs endless multitude expresses itself well in this game

[devout lark]

I do wonder how they'll have the different factions interact.

[west cairn]

like will they let Orks do diplomacy with Imperial Guard?

[devout lark]

That and how the imperial factions work with each other.

Astra militarum getting reinforced by the space marines in small amounts is fairly common in lore.

[west cairn]

I imagine they will have the outpost system from WHIII where you can ally with a faction and get limited recruitment for some of their units

[carmine vapor]

Will also be interesting to see how demonic focused you can be as chaos when they get added

[west cairn]

the factions will most likely follow the army books pretty closely in terms of units but with more freedom to army composition
so you could probably take a full stack of greater demons if you had the economy to support it

but you couldn't, for instance, have a stack of Bloodthirsters if you are playing as the Death Guard

[carmine vapor]

Taking a full stack of great unclean ones and just sliming accross the battle field with them and devouring fools sounds fun

[devout lark]

Given how these games are balanced at times, this might even be meta.

[devout lark]

Probably a much bigger version of that yeah.

I wonder who the legendary lords at the start will be.

Depending on how greedy they are i can see cato being the launch blueberry ll so they can sell titus and calgar later.

[deft dragon]

Okay but like, I would buy the game for my boi Cato

(hi, hello, I'm one of those not a Total War fans but W40K fans that Creative Assembly prolly wants to get )

[devout lark]

I like cato but he's definitely not... Hmmm...

The most beloved character.

[deft dragon]

He's beloved in my heart 😌

[devout lark]

Especially post G man cato has been great.

When he's basically been traumatized and depressed lmao.

[deft dragon]

He has a character arc, which is more than most 40K charas

[carmine vapor]

Im also not a fan of total war really but am excited to take the waaaahhhhgg into a 4x game. Also interested to see how they implement the tyranids

[devout lark]

The return of G man turned 40k into a proper narrative imo instead of a setting.

And the HH ofc.

[deft dragon]

I'm rather intrigued about playable Eldar

Bit sad no playable Custodes and Sisters of Silence, but they'll prolly be DLC

[devout lark]

They'll probably keep some factions for the sequel if they're doing a trilogy again.

Custodes would be really hard to depict in a total war game in general.

The total war fans are already doing what is their one true passion(I'm guilty of this too), complaining.

Space marines will already require major reworks to the system.

Because of their whole quality over quantity approach.

Custodes are even more elite.

[exotic hollow]

consoles
Ah so it'll be terrible

[devout lark]

Honestly I think they'll make a terrible console experience while leaving pc mostly untouched, paradox style.

[west cairn]

Halo Wars 2 is what I have seen people describe the battles gameplay as on console

[ornate ledge]

Total war games are on console?

[west cairn]

they will be starting with 40k

they are making a new engine and part of that seems to be that it'll be playable on consoles now

[ornate ledge]

Huh. That sounds like a nightmare to play with a controller, but I wont have to worry about that regardless.

[west cairn]

CA made Halo Wars 2 which was a console rts game (not quite the same type of rts as Total War) and I have seen good things about it

[ornate ledge]

I have heard good things about Halo Wars but Total war's battles feel very different from a lot of rts games imo.

[west cairn]

yeah I think that it'll definitely be the worse way to play the game

unless you are a player who just wants to play it like a 4x game in which case battle controls don't matter to you

(unless quest battles can't be autoresolved)

[ornate ledge]

I hope the actual game reflects the amount of terrain they had in the in engine part of that trailer.

[west cairn]

there was a hive city building falling down in one of the trailer shots

so I do think that maps will begin to open up as the battle progresses

[west cairn]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/total-war/total-war-warhammer-40-000-wants-to-be-the-seminal-warhammer-40k-game-says-its-devs-who-sell-me-in-just-8-words-you-can-customize-the-fingers-on-space-marines/

Creative Assembly has approached the task by blending Total War's signature formula with inspiration from 40K's tabletop game. The ranged and melee structuring is still in place, but has been changed to feel more dynamic and hybrid. **Soldiers will be able to use cover on the battlefield, and individual characters within one unit can be equipped uniquely.**
"Like you'd expect in the tabletop game, a unit of your warriors isn't just made up of one unit type. It's not the same person: they've got different specialists, different weapon styles,"

also confirmed that the campaign map is galaxy wide

[carmine vapor]

im excited by that

big map is hype

[ornate ledge]

I believe that is Marneus Calgar as a Legendary Lord

[west cairn]

looks like it yeah

I wonder if they are going to be doing 2 Lords for each faction like they did with fantasy

[deft dragon]

I wonder who the other Lord for Space Marines will be 🤔 I hope not an Ultramarine

[west cairn]

it'd be kind of weird for the Ultramarines guy to be leading a custom chapter so maybe there's a generic chapter master option

very good chance there will also be Roboto Grillmaster imo but I think the lore would allow for him to be leading any chapter?

[royal stone]

https://youtu.be/Qe_OVqYzanA?si=qorHx4OSjzbVrpzs

[ornate ledge]

I wonder if Ultramarines will be their own faction or if it will be Space Marines as a whole, and you just get a different chapter depending on what legendary Lord you pick.

Because I could definitely see Space Wolves being a seperate one, but idk.

[west cairn]

all their marketing has been calling it the "Space Marine" faction (apparently they own the trademark for Space Marine in video games so they don't have to call them Astartes)

so I think that Ultramarines would be the equivalent of starting as Mazdamundi with the Lizardmen in Fantasy

there will probably be the option to confederate other space marine chapters to appease the "collect them all" desires of people even though it's not really loreful

[ornate ledge]

I wonder if maybe they will just save the chapter unique units for regiments of renown then.

[west cairn]

there are some subfactions in TWWH that have unique units

[ornate ledge]

Yeah.

[west cairn]

I feel like they are going err on the side of allowing people to get "unique" units whenever possible. So if you are the Ultramarines and confederate the Blood Angels you'd still be able to recruit the vampire guys

[ornate ledge]

And it doesn't super matter for the general space marines. They aren't likely to be starting with any of the divergent chapters, but maybe they will eventually add things like Black Templars and Space Wolves

[west cairn]

maybe through a special building on the blood angel's homeworld or something

[ornate ledge]

I could see that but I doubt any of tbe divergent chapters will be in the game at base. Especially if Chaos isn't.

I suspect Chaos would be one of the first DLCs but kinda crazy to do a full galaxy map without them.

[west cairn]

oh yeah I don't think BA will be in the base game

I imagine the only chapter with unique mechanics to start out with will be the ultramarines

[ornate ledge]

Especially a modern map with the Great Rift.

Maybe they will have npc chaos before they have those factions finished.

[west cairn]

I could see a Brettonia situation where unplayable half-faction(s) are present on the campaign map

[ornate ledge]

If I remember correctly thag was how chaos was in base game for TWW1

[west cairn]

they already have a bunch of demon models from fantasy that they could probably port pretty easily

[west cairn]

Chaos was a playable faction but it was day 1 dlc and it was demonless, mostly just a mixture of chaos warriors and norscans with a few monsters

[ornate ledge]

Oh, it would be so cool if one of the battlefields was on a Space Hulk.

[west cairn]

they have mentioned space hulks in an article so I imagine it will be

[ornate ledge]

Yeah. I could especially see them throwing them in as like endgame events spreading from the rift.

[ornate ledge]

SICK

Im really excited for the Tanks.

I hope my T'au don't have to wait too long to get into this game.

[west cairn]

Chaos, Tyranids, and Necrons (probably in that order) are coming first i think
But maybe they'd want to break that up with a "good guy" faction

[ornate ledge]

Woudl be really cool if we could get a T'au and Necron expansion together to reference Second Edition.

But it is more likely for Ad Mech to do that these days

I don't think we will get through three factions without getting another Imperium one.

[west cairn]

fair point, ad mech is definitely likely

I feel like since DoW4 is doing admech and necrons they'll be added later to TW

[ornate ledge]

I wonder how big in scale they will go. Would be crazy if you could get Titans in this game.

[west cairn]

unless they scale them down I don't see them going for titans

well I guess there are the small titans?

[ornate ledge]

Sort of. The smallest one is about the size of the biggest Knight.

[ornate ledge]

https://youtu.be/qmlgdmEMdtM?si=byJxlD3rw-V65xDQ

This interview gives more info on their plans for the galaxy map and customization of factions.

[west cairn]

Haven't had a chance to watch this but a German magazine also got an indepth explanation of some systems and this is the translation
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1pky8k3/breaking_down_the_gamestar_article_how_campaigns/

The galaxy map functions as a hybrid between a campaign selection menu and meta-progression. You don't actually move armies or end turns here, instead you're given an overview of the galaxy at large and offered several campaigns to take part in.

Those campaigns are split into three types: Full campaigns, short campaigns, and singular decisive battles. Full campaigns will be closest to traditional Total War, set in a full star system meant to be longer and finished over multiple sessions. Short campaigns will feature only a few planets and be intended to be completed in a single evening. Singular battles are self explanatory. So it's a "choose your commitment" type system

Campaigns can either be generated, or narrative. So there will be campaigns set in handcrafted systems/locations from the lore, with narrative objectives and factions, and also campaigns that are more randomized

Completing campaigns carries over effects and changes to the galaxy layer and potentially future campaigns. The example they gave was helping the Imperial Guard in one campaign leads to allied Imperial Guard forces showing up to support you throughout battles in your next campaign

This sounds amazing

I'm so glad that they are pushing foundational campaign changes with this game. Feels like they are taking advantage of the 40k IP to get the money for structural changes they otherwise wouldnt have been able to do

[muted turtle]

I think Custodes wouldn't be viable in a total War game, it'd be really hard to spot them on the battlefield

[west cairn]

Unit banners should mitigate that

Infantry sized Single Entities (heros, lords) are fine in TWW and theres precedent for units with a few very elite models (Aspiring Champions)

[devout lark]

Idk if it's going to work but I'm glad they're trying.

Definitely feels faithful to 40k.

Interesting idea to have allies show up again and again, makes sense and actually lends well to the imperial theme in particular of being caught on too many fronts.

[royal stone]

They should be quick DLCs in both though

[pastel snow]

https://vxtwitter.com/m0pan_40k/status/2000215816625885347?s=20

mopan (hamwarmer edition) (@m0pan_40k)

Imagine being an Imperial agent and a t’au diplomat looks at you like this….

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 14, 2025, 2:46 PM

[devout lark]

Well, the obvious answer ahriman could reach was to spend thousands of years trying to get into a library and getting his ass kicked a lot in the process.

[west cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njanDkiImPw

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1po4llo/wh_40k_some_concept_art/

some interesting info on how the factions will be differentiated

for instance Eldar have an off map craftworld base which they can teleport to, all battles have a strong reinforcement focus

imp guard have a more traditional TW experience where they build more infrastructure, space marines have same armies with at most a couple hundred models and don't build as much infrastructure

[exotic hollow]

I don't know why but the wider campaign galaxy map is kinda giving me weird vibes

I can't explain it, I'm just imagining some overworld menu covered in ads to microtransactions before you zoom in to Action Packed Space Marine Action with basically zero actual campaign map thinking needed

Also also TWWH has smaller, more focused campaigns in TWWH1 and they were abandoned almost immediately because no one bought or played them. They tried a more narrative campaign with TWWH2 and people hated it and the game didn't really take off until mortal empires

TWWH3s smaller more scripted campaign was hated and many people didn't bother playing the game until immortal empires dropped and they completely stopped support for the campaign in that

I do not understand why they think it'll work a fourth time

[pastel snow]

That do be some of the hesitation I’m getting

Also there was an article the other day saying “total war 40k will get a brand new engine in its infancy” which plenty of people have been burned over the years by those words
New untested by the public engine is not a sign of good news

[west cairn]

So for the galactic map my impression is that TW 40k will have options for

• single battle (basically a Quest Battle in TWWH)
• small campaign (probably equivilent to the minicampaigns in TWWH1 in terms of size, some are narrative others are procedurally generated)
• large campaign (equivilent to a continent in TWWH, takes multiple sessions to complete and could have narrative elements)

and the campaign maps are made up of a series of planets (provinces) and stuff like space hulks (the islands you can visit in TWWH to initiate a dilemma)

the "narrative elements" are what I imagine factions have in Immortal Empires now, like Aislinn has to rebuild the dragon ships or Karl Franz has to unite the elector counts

[exotic hollow]

I really do hope it works, I'd love for it to work, just the more I learn, the more the pit in my stomach grows

[pastel snow]

I think this is safe to say maybe don’t preorder, and let the first few people day 1 be the test dummies that see if the game even works

[exotic hollow]

I didn't play TWWH until like 3 years into TWWH2's life cycle so safe to say I'm happy to wait and see 😛

[west cairn]

there also aren't any preorder dlc so no harm in waiting

[exotic hollow]

(TWWH2 and 3 are now my most played games on steam and I still actively play 3 on the regular)

[west cairn]

I am certain there will be (to put it charitably) growing pains

[exotic hollow]

I look forward to my youtubers giving me many a drama update while I wait for Mandalore to give me the green light

[coral abyss]

Pains charitably described as being caused by growth, coming from Games Workshop and Creative Assembly, together or separately?

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[west cairn]

well by growing pains I mean like how TWW3 was bad at launch

[exotic hollow]

The only consolation I have is that I do love TWWH3 and this is the same studio that made that, my concern is that they didn't learn not to do the mistakes they made, they just learned they need to do them more because it'll totally work this time

[royal stone]

Yeah CA has consistently had bad launchs that they salvaged later. Hopefully we get a smooth launch this time but I wouldn't bet on it

Unless its an actual dumpster fire though I'll probably get it on release

[exotic hollow]

I love how every so often, a writer tries to make The Coolest Space Marine and everyone hates them and then we just make someone the protagonist of an fps and suddenly everyone is on board with Mr Coolest Space Marine existing

Something something interactivity builds bond something

[muted turtle]

Is that the Boltgun blueberry?

[pastel snow]

Guilliman’s “impossible task” was found to be quite possible after throwing 1 beaky boy at the problem

[west cairn]

isn't part of the reason it's an impossible task is that some of the worlds were just blown up?

[royal stone]

My favorite version of this is one with either Titus or Calgar (idr which) holding both Caelum and the new Sister of Battle on a leash

And of course when Boltgun 2 comes out I will be playing the Sister

[devout lark]

I don't think G-man literally wants the blown up worlds probably? This could be another codex astartes situation where he said something assuming they'd take it rationally and they took it in the most literal way, i.e., they start needing to stitch planets together.

It just sounds a lot better than saying... "Reunite the four hundred and seventy eight worlds of ultramar that haven't been blown up".

[ornate ledge]

Even just the planets that are intact is difficult because you have to deal with orks, tyrannids, probably a little bit of encroaching T'au, Deathguard remnants from the plague wars in the scourge stars and abroad, various other chaos warbands, and the various regional governors who will see it as a threat to their own power. Then on top of all of that, apparently there is a new Necron awakening going on there.

[devout lark]

Are the t'au nearby? Aside from the necrons, I think most of the other problems are fairly okay for the Ultramarines. I'd guess the biggest problem would be the nids and necrons.

The deathguard feel like a secondary problem since the plague wars ended. I doubt anyone important is sticking around after how godblight ended.

[pastel snow]

Yah, the tau twins that were just introduced are because the tau are getting a roll in attacking the blueberries in the 500 worlds campaign

We are just starting chapter 1 with blueberry vs skeletons

[devout lark]

It'd be pretty funny after a long drawn out war against the nids, chaos, necrons, the final opponent is the Tau.

[ornate ledge]

T'au Empire is just north of Ultramar.

[devout lark]

Ah, for some reason I assumed that they were on the other side of the great rift.

[ornate ledge]

Oh, that is a good map. Where did you find that one?

[devout lark]

Farsight is on the other side of the rift, iirc? But ofc he's explicitly not the Tau empire.

[burnt widget]

heres the full Idk where i found it i just have it saved

[pastel snow]

This is the official GW map, and they are neighbors

Tau is iiiiiittty bitty hexagon

[devout lark]

Never realised that Macragge was essentially cut off from the rest of the galaxy by the Sautekh dynasty.

[pastel snow]

That do be the problem why Chapter 1 is Necrons

Gotta bust through that skeleton wall

[devout lark]

I like the little corridor the necrons have through the rift. Chaos really doesn't mean much to them, eh.

[devout lark]

Realistically they're also likely the biggest threat just in general imo now that daddy Szarekh is back.

Necrons aren't even that far from their prime aside from political disunity.

It's kinda funny how Guilliman's absolute need to go in for the 1v1 way more than he should kinda screwed them over in the long term.

[ornate ledge]

Farsight is in Sanctus too. They are on the western side of the Empire.

[ornate ledge]

Yes, but also no because Immotekh is mostly focused on his civil war with szerekh.

[muted turtle]

Yeah Nurgle withdrew his forces from Ultramar Godblight ||Typhus wasnt there at the finale because Nurgle commanded his armies to deal with a Tzeentch invasion||

[devout lark]

Necron powerscaling is so weird.

General necron spoilers ||Iirc Imotekh has to rely on endurance to beat even Helbrecht after a long duel. Szarekh should be big E levels.||

[pastel snow]

Imoteck should be Primarch level, which really shows how badass Helbrecht really is
Such is the power of Bucket Helmet

[exotic hollow]

God that's a wicked mini

[devout lark]

Spoilers for HH upto End and the Death ||I can't really imagine Helbrecht as near Primarch level as Sigismund, even in his "hunting chaos champions" era (which basically puts him as the greatest space marine fighter without warp shenanigans) was essentially just annoying fulgrim at best. Helbrecht would make sense as Dante tier. Legendary custodes level space marine, well below their Primarch.||

[west cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ned-flanders-neighbor-wave-hi-hello-gif-16974390

[pastel snow]

That’s exactly what someone without Bucket Helmet would say

[ornate ledge]

To be fair, HH ||the annoying Fulgrim think was before he got the black blade and really locked in but || I agree.

[ornate ledge]

I don't think Imotekh is primarch level. He is a crazy awesome fighter but ultimately the strongest people we have seen him compared to on the battlefield are chapter masters who are well below the power of a primarch. Though, if we want to talk about strategic brilliance, I would say Imotekh is actually beyond most of the Primarchs with only the smartest ones giving him a run for his money.

[ornate ledge]

In the newest dawn of fire book ||Szarekh does clown on Guilliman so he is at least Primarch level.||

[pastel snow]

Language warning

[muted turtle]

https://x.com/Lorgarwasright/status/2001447579645600109?s=20

Lorgar Aurelian (@Lorgarwasright)

X · Dec 18, 2025, 12:21 AM

[muted turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGC_MKhAGzg

[exotic hollow]

Hell yeah

https://www.ign.com/articles/total-war-warhammer-40000-dev-wants-all-your-favorites-from-the-setting-to-eventually-coexist-in-a-vast-galactic-sandbox-and-it-might-take-a-decade-to-get-there

Quick who do you want to play as in 40k total war

(nobody call me out for being a giant negative Nancy about this game one moment and hyping it the next please and thank you 🙏)

Abaddons a given but I'd adore Islander Khayon for a black legion character

Decimus for Night Lords 🙏

||Yes I will just keep naming ADB characters and you can't stop me||

[muted turtle]

wow Tau seem popular

[pastel snow]

GW will sooner do something with perfect clone Fulgrim than do anything with Decimus

[exotic hollow]

Not what you usually see, very interesting

White beaky boy for legendary hero plz

[ornate ledge]

I really wanna see Grey Knights and also inquisition in general.

[deft dragon]

Tau with their auxillaries actually implemented as units would be awesome

Barring that, lemme build my own necron dynasty

And barring that, Zandrekh as the Necron commander

[muted turtle]

I hope if they do implement Custodes, whenever they enter melee with an enemy the enemy gets deleted

and i dont mean like "oh they do big damage" no, the unit literally gets deleted from the battlefield

[exotic hollow]

A grey knight/inquisition/SoB combined faction would be great

[exotic hollow]

You're not wrong, that's an excellent diverse faction full of specialists

[exotic hollow]

Having only read The Infinite and the Divine, I don't want Tranzyn to get a faction, he should be a random event

"time to jump into this battle... Wait why is Vulkan here"

[deft dragon]

Listen, you need to read up on Nemesor Zandrekh

Dude is so insane he thinks he's still a flesh and blood being during necron civil war

He thinks the other species are weird necrons

He attempts to do diplomacy with them

He has a bodyguard handler named Obyron who has to dispose of the bodies of Zandrekh's prisoners of war and then tell him they "mysteriously left"

Read Severed, it's short and amazing

[ornate ledge]

I could see it being kind of like how some of the Fantasy factions cna get units from the empire and stuff depending on the lord where depending on the ordo of the inquisition you are playing you can get some extra units from Grey Knights, Deathwatch, or SoB.

[burnt widget]

The issue is grey knights players would hate it if they are combined

[west cairn]

I imagine Grey Knights and Deathwatch will end up being a subfaction of space marines, SoB will be their own faction, and Inquisition will be a shared system for Imperial factions

[ornate ledge]

Please don't make Grey Knights a subfaction of Space Marines they are so extremely different in the way they fight.

Especially since Grey Knights don't have primaris.

[ornate ledge]

I would be far more upset as a Grey Knight player if Grey Knights were a subfaction of Space Mariens than if they were rolled into Inquisition.

[west cairn]

Grey Knights will get primaris in lore as soon as GW gets around to doing a refresh of their range imo

[ornate ledge]

Sure, but even then they wont use Intercessors or any of that stuff.

Grey Knights have completely different wargear and tactics and they are all focused on psychic powers and stuff.

The Primaris units do not fit into the flavor of Grey knights regardless of if they are primaris or not.

[west cairn]

Logistically they would still be in the Space Marine faction imo. CA has shown that they are doing a lot of wargear customization

[ornate ledge]

But the problem is that every single grey knight is a psyker. They would have to make every unit a librarian basically.

The unit types are fully different.

[west cairn]

also GW categorizes them as Space Marines on their website so I feel they'd also want them in the same faction

[ornate ledge]

Sure, but if you look in there you can see that the only units they share with the other Space Marine factions are techmarines, librarians, and some vehicles.

Their terminators and battle line are all very different.

They are categorically space marines but it makes no sense to make them the same faction because they are so different from all the other marines.

[pastel snow]

Language warning

[muted turtle]

Painted Trajonn Valoris and now all my Custodes are done

[royal stone]

Very cool

[ornate ledge]

Looks great.

[royal stone]

Really gotta finish my Fire Dragons and build my Reapers

[muted turtle]

Yeah, really glad i decided to wait with him

He was technically the first model i ever put together but i decided to wait until i had painted more to do him

Slight difference between my first paint and my latest

[royal stone]

At least he's a Custodian so you can just paint most of him gold and call it good

And that Space Marine doesn't look bad at all

[muted turtle]

not Trojann actually, he was pretty evenly split between gold and red since his cape is so big

[royal stone]

Makes sense

[muted turtle]

he's good for a first go, but there are just a few details done so he's mostly just blue. If i wanted to i could do him way better but i like to keep him as is to see how much i improved

[carmine vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[carmine vapor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTrnmS27n/

[pastel snow]

https://fixupx.com/jackson61689330/status/2002389173274067202?s=46

Jackson (@Jackson61689330)

Horus showing up to the Emperor’s announcement of the newly elected Warmaster and losing it to Expedition 33

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FixupX · Dec 20, 2025, 2:42 PM

[pastel snow]

Why hasn’t GW made this paint yet?
Are they stupid?

[royal stone]

https://youtu.be/i721_NmfQ-U?si=dr6yF3VKcP0msfbp

[muted turtle]

https://x.com/HBigMan_/status/2003169921367441751?s=20

Hobbs 🫐 (@HBigMan_)

Good morning

X · Dec 22, 2025, 6:25 PM

[ornate ledge]

As they are inclined to do.

[royal stone]

My brother got me some dice to match my Eldar colors

[royal stone]

Friend got me Warp Spiders and that's 995 points total

[pastel snow]

Last Christmas, GW presented the world with a Demon Primarch. A great Ontological Evil of the Ruinous Powers

This year, GW presents an even greater evil!

A TAX EVADER!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E10PkVk5AZ0

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dusvlufn/grotmas-calendar-day-25-huron-blackheart-strides-forth-from-the-maelstrom/

[muted turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-skulls-for-the-skull-throne-blood-for-the-blood-god-gif-18272573

[carmine vapor]

So what army is he in ?

Chaos undevided marines ?

[royal stone]

Yeah

[ornate ledge]

The Chaos Lord of the Red Corsairs, Chaos Space Marine pirates. Formerly the Chapter Master of the loyalist Astral Claws

[muted turtle]

they got red, close enough to be considered Khorne worshippers

[pastel snow]

He is Cooler Abaddon

Abadon has failed 13 times to take over the Impirium and is eternally sustained alive by Chaos because Mr. Black Templar himself, Sigismund, rammed a greatsword through both his hearts

Huron has his own micro empire and had a melta-bomb blow off half his body. He is not sustained by chaos, and is sustained by pure spite and need of vengeance. Literally too angry to die
That boy is making miles of progress over little baby Abby

[muted turtle]

"too angry to die" are you sure he isn't a World Eater?

[carmine vapor]

Yaa he feels very khorn vibes

[pastel snow]

Red isn’t only Khorne. There are many red chaos factions
There is the Red Corsairs, Huron’s boys, chaos undivided
The Word Bearers, demon summoner demon church builders, chaos undivided
Crimson Slaughter, psychos, chaos undivided

[west cairn]

Its really funny how important seemingly the Badab War is to the imperium if you only go by who gets models

[pastel snow]

-2nd greatest war the impririum ever faced
-exclusively covered chronologically across 1.8 quintillion Warhammer Imperial Armor booklets that no one owns
-literally no novels
-literally no models

[west cairn]

The War of the Beast and the Reign of Blood is about 1 million times more impactful than the Badab War arent they?

The sisters of battle literally successfully invaded Terra

The Badab War probably isnt even the most significant war of its century

[ornate ledge]

I woudl say yes but the Age of Apostasy also does not have any books and man I wish the War of the beast didn't have any books.

[deft dragon]

I'd say let's give all the books that War of the Beast got and give them to Badab War

but then again, given the quality of War of the Beast books

maybe not such a great idea

[muted turtle]

you said amount of books, not quality of books

[deft dragon]

Yes, but I'd be concerned regardless

[muted turtle]

also War of the Beast is where the Harlequinns invade the Imperial Palace and kill a dozen Custodes right?

[ornate ledge]

Yup. Which, while if any faction can give the Custodes a challenge it should be the Clowns but that was obscene.

[pastel snow]

Noooooo, badab war is an entire sector of thousands of world’s scorched and pretty much gone

Forge worlds with one of a kind STCs that if figured out could bring the Mechanicus back to pre-Heresy Mechanicum levels
GONE

Super Agri-worlds that discovered new technologies that if implemented could feed the entire Impirium like how people were at least able to get 1 loaf of bread a day in Great Crusade era. A huge increase in food.
GONE

Super medical and biological worlds. GONE

Several hundred planets 100% comprised of pure adamantium. GONE

etc etc etc GONE GONE GONE

The question the Badab war as were is the following:
“Ok the Horus Heresy was really bad and suffocates tech progresss, but surely somewhere in this gigantic Impirium there is enough people and resources in a concentrated location that might improve things at least a little in 10,000 years?”

The answer was, yes there was indeed a spot!…. And bureaucracy and tax evasion killed it

If the entire Impirium is a Gigantic dead car battery, what was shaping in the Badab Sector was a small charged car battery that could be used to jumpstart it.

It is the only available battery to do the jumpstart ever, and will ever be.

And your jumpstart battery just blew up

[west cairn]

My impression is that this is true for many conflicts in the imperium, the Badab War is rare because we know the specifics of it. There are other wars in which sectors were lost

[ornate ledge]

The War of the Beast and the Age of Apostasy were Inperium wide so they were bigger than Badab still.

[west cairn]

Yeah, theres also stuff like the Terra Interegnum when the whole ass imperium split (including the Mechanicus)

[pastel snow]

Badab war is one of those cases that it’s an entire galaxy war’s worth of gun packed into this one sector

The War of the Beast was the entire Galaxy, but was comprised of 11 Astartes Chapters spread out (technically 13 to 15 because the Black Templars are there)

The Badab War loyalist side was 13 whole chapters. That is Legion Deployment levels that the High Lords and Inquisition get jumpy just having that many Astartes close to each other

[west cairn]

I dont think we know the entire order of battle for the war of the beast

Or for the age of apostasy

Also didnt the imperial fists start acting at legion strength during the war of the beast?

[pastel snow]

They issued The Last Wall which is basically all Dorn Sons squad up.

That 11 number would drop to 7 because there were 4 Dorn chapters

[west cairn]

And the garrison of terra alone probably out numbered the entire population of the badab sector or something silly like that

Anything that involves Terra being attacked is going to be more significant than a sector conflict imo

[ornate ledge]

The Templars are the size of like three chapters but at the same time as the war of the beast Orks were also attacking across the Imperium all the way to Ultramar. The Salamanders and others also showed up at the same time.

[pastel snow]

That’s why I say 11 but technically 13 to 15 prior

[devout lark]

Hey! You don't like Slaughter?

Seriously though I got into warhammer lore through YouTube and the videos I watched made the lore of war of the beast sound so cool.

Then I read book 1 and wow.

I vaguely remember there being a part where ||a guy named slaughter fights an orc implied to be named slaughter?||

[muted turtle]

oh that's beyond normal Warhammer stupid, this is highly advanced stupid

[deft dragon]

that does in fact happen in the book

[pastel snow]

Anything and everything War of the Beast related never happened. Nothing ever happened for a few millennia following the end of The Scouring

[burnt widget]

That’s dope af

[royal stone]

Warp Spiders are really annoying to build

All of them have two extra robot arms that help hold their guns

I've been working on these guys for an hour and a half and only have 3 done

[summer granite]

Damn those are badass minis.

[royal stone]

They have a lot of fiddly bits but they look awesome

[faint yew]

Can I share something Warhammer news related?

[west cairn]

Thats what we like to have in this channel

[faint yew]

https://youtu.be/Pk6Gp-vFMcc?si=icojF2IK9MxJ0nNi

Skip the mighty nein stuff and go to Warhammer stuff

[ornate ledge]

good signs

[faint yew]

Yeah.

If I find Warhammer 40k what ifs I'll bring them here

[pastel snow]

If Henry is happy, then things sound good

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/1pzi9t8/leaked_maelstrom_books_i_spy_some_corsairs/

[exotic hollow]

What are these El Dar? Is this some offshoot space marine chapter?

[muted turtle]

i think they're some Ultramarine successors, they helped with Guilliman's revival after all

[devout lark]

Yeah i think Khaine is a member of the Victrix guard.

[royal stone]

I'm gonna fight you lol

[faint yew]

Happy New year to the imperium!

[west cairn]

are you implying you know what the date is?

I have an inquisitor I'd like you to talk to about something

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chronostrife

[royal stone]

Warp Spooders all built and primed

[muted turtle]

only reason for that is because the model isnt available rn

[royal stone]

Which one?

[muted turtle]

Daemon Prince

[ornate ledge]

This guy looks great.

I love that he is about to harvest a living marine.

[muted turtle]

he even looks excited about it

[burnt widget]

he should be

[winter aspen]

who is he?

[pastel snow]

Garreon the Corpsemaster – former Chief Apothecary of the Astral Claws

They are basically teasing one by one named people of the Red Corsairs

I think Mr. Mystery big axe man is going to be that famous traitor space wolf in Huron’s employ

[muted turtle]

there's a dog there

is the dog gonna be a named character?

[pastel snow]

I think that’s going to be a demon for the red Corsair sorcerer. I think he made an appearance in the 2nd nightlords book when they stopped by Huron’s place as a glorified chaos gas station

[muted turtle]

ah yes, the dog familiar

also does the guy on the far left with the shotgun and powerfist give anyone else dollar store Doomguy vibes?

[pastel snow]

Wonder what they are because thats not space marine legs

[winter aspen]

I feel like I've had most of the siege of terra (and especially the end and the death) read to me by astartesanonymous at this point but damn every time I get a bit from one of their shorts or whatever it goes so hard

[west cairn]

Tall votann

[pastel snow]

A not-squat squat is like a cheese with nothin’ pizza
What’s the point!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7273yDpdA&pp=ygUjZ2l2ZSBtZSBhIGNoZWVzZSBwaXp6YSB3aXRoIG5vdGhpbmc%3D

[muted turtle]

cheese isnt the best part of a pizza tho, it's the combination of stuff that's the best

[royal stone]

Crap I just spilled my Magmadroth Flame

[royal stone]

Done for today

Oh shoot that is suddenly blurry

Here we go

[west cairn]

The clearly correct answer is to wake up the necrons to make them wipe out the humans to stop them from waking up the necrons

[muted turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otbsaOrb37A

i find the 4 normal humans just hanging out there so funny, the very definition of a meatshield

[royal stone]

Base coats all done

[proper prairie]

Finished this one on NYE and started on the Centurion today.

[pastel snow]

Now that is what I call “also a Hammer” !

[muted turtle]

nevermind the hammer, look at those shoulder pads

[burnt widget]

Nonmetallic metal

[proper prairie]

Vulkan lives!

[west cairn]

God damn

[exotic hollow]

Fantastic!

[winter aspen]

STOMP STOMP STOMP

[pastel snow]

-# The open secret shutdown of Warhammer+ and transfer of all the shows to Prime so we can at least have some consistent writing can’t happen soon enough

[deft dragon]

-# what makes you assume Prime will give us consistent writing

[pastel snow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-fair-enough-gif-26167449

[half umbra]

"All stories are Canon, but not all Canon is true."

[muted turtle]

people want consistent writing from the 40K animations? i thought it was all about seeing your favourite faction animated and kicking butt

[royal stone]

Unless you're Eldar, then you get to see your favorite faction get their butt kicked

[ornate ledge]

I mean as one of the few people who has watched most of the animations there, they started out pretty amateur but have gotten remarkably better. Or at least the one that are official GW made, the ones that are fan animations they picked up are mostly whatever.

Hammer and bolter was pretty consistently interesting story wise even when it looked like a powerpoint.

While I do think having a streaming service for that is very stupid, it is remarkable how they have managed to basically build a competent animation staff from the ground up.

[west cairn]

I guess it's being suplimented by people getting warhammer+ for other stuff like the minis but it's lasted an impressively long time regardless for such a niche thing

[devout lark]

I think there's a large and growing amount of people who don't really have a faction, just like the lore and therefore wanna see good stories.

[winter aspen]

Having a Warhammer army, in this economy?

[deft dragon]

I remember reading something similar in one of the 40K subreddits, that there is a growing fanbase of people who don't actually play 40K but consume the "side" media and the lore to the point where Black Library releases have shifted from being supplementary to the tabletop game to being seen as the "primary source" by people 🤔

Horus Heresy and its consequences, lmao

[exotic hollow]

I can 100% confirm that I played 40k as a kid (third edition cause I'm ooooold) and the moment Dawn of War was released, I never touched the tabletop again mad have been a book/vidya fan only for nearly 20 years

Oh sorry I played a bunch of Adeptus Titanicus tabletop when they rereleased that

That was like... God ugh 6 or 7 years ago at this point

[deft dragon]

I have some models, but I've never played a single tabletop game, I mostly got them just for painting

(and I'm not even doing that anymore...)

[exotic hollow]

I fell in love with Kairos Fateweaver due to TWW3 and that will probably be the first GW model I buy for years

But also, the recommended paints they recommend for it are like £200 because he's a very bright colourful bird man so that kinda puts me off

But also I wanna bust it out one day as a DnD model for a big monster

So doesn't have to follow the proper paint scheme

[winter aspen]

yeah same I have a few old badly painted armies stored in the roof

but like

aside from being way too much of a perfectionist and burned out gifted kid to enjoy being terrible at painting long enough to get mediocre at painting

I genuinely can't afford to spend like £1000 on plastic to not be able to find anyone to play the game with anyway

easier as a child when I had nothing to spend money on except whatever nerdy stuff I was obsessed with and I could also go to the bank of mum / dad / grandparents for extra models

since then I just yeah follow the lore through the internet and books and the occasional game

[muted turtle]

More likely than you think

[carmine vapor]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZThNbaVqa/

Ohana means family

[muted turtle]

also a 4+ and a 5+ invuln save in there

[ornate ledge]

They only have 14 attacks without Titus.

With Titus they have 22 but at that point they are 180 points.

Also, they are required to be attached to another unit so thats even more points.

Im sorry, I will stop poking holes in the joke now.

[muted turtle]

They have 22 attacks on their own and they can be on their own, their rules just say that they can be attached to another unit

they have 2 close combat weapons and two power weapons, not one each

[ornate ledge]

Oh right.

[muted turtle]

also insane to me that the normal humans have 3 wounds

[ornate ledge]

Most characters do.

Now, whether or not that many full characters should cost more points, a valid criticism.

[muted turtle]

yeah, a character that costs like 50 points having 3 wounds is whatever, but there's 4 of these in there so it gets really bloated

atleast they're only toughness 3

and their attacks arent really threatening

[ornate ledge]

At least you can expect them to pretty reliably die to pretty much any chaff shooting. They have a ton of wounds and would be a pain to chew through but at least basiclaly any shooting you put into them will probably knock off some wounds.

And their melee isn't really scary without Titus their to give them Sustained.

Poor Slaughterbrute, he is such an easy target for this, it doesn't help that they drastically nerfed the unit he leads as soon as they released him.

[muted turtle]

problem is similar to Titus where armies without good shooting really struggle with this unit

though yeah, only the power weapons and the Bladeguard marine have scary melee

i think the main issue with them is just that they're a big meatshield to guard whatever actually threatening unit they get attached to

[ornate ledge]

I mean I would be pretty confident I could remove all of their base humans from that unit with Grey Knight Storm bolters and I wouldn't call those good shooting.

Also I don't know why I thought that Bladeguard had 2+ saves.

[ornate ledge]

https://youtu.be/LbzAifF0hlM?si=Lved6KQqlOMz-NR5

It is finally probably happening!!

[deft dragon]

I hope they write a book about it (heavens know we need a proper sequel to Son of the Forest), but I'm worried it'll be buried in some codex 😔

[ornate ledge]

It will almost definitely happen in the next campaign book. Unfortunately these things tend to get saved for the end of edition campaign books.

[deft dragon]

😔

[muted turtle]

how long has it been that the Lion has returned now? 2-3 years?

[deft dragon]

SoTF was published April 2023 so yeah, almost three years, now

[devout lark]

Are there are known plans for lion to get more focused content on him?

I feel like by this time for G man he was by far feeling like the biggest narrative focus of the setting.

[deft dragon]

iirc Lion will be in the new Dawn of War game

[devout lark]

I think dark imperium was already chugging along by this point alongside a couple other series' he's directly related to.

[devout lark]

Oh yeah, that's true. Doubt they'll give him much plot progression there, though.

[deft dragon]

yeah...

[devout lark]

Luthor still being out there is pretty funny.

I'd bet a decent chunk of change he's going to be mostly forgotten for a long while.

And then brought back with some entirely different characterization.

[winter aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073036280398610572/1459666234781204671/9A9FCDA3-4712-4081-8BE1-E7F99F79EDEF.mov?ex=69641b9d&is=6962ca1d&hm=18f0bfd3b46692543a2511e9857af20032eb2c5e4a04483125b168ef8f7f6cf4&

[carmine vapor]

Saw that the other day its brilliant

Love all those orc memes

[west cairn]

ok but Vilitch's look holds up really well

if he gets a new model for AoS I would guess that Thomin (the wizard half) will be huge and grotesque

[ornate ledge]

I thought Valkia still had a model.

[muted turtle]

https://x.com/WH40kbestof/status/2010475683143942326?s=20

Warhammer 40K (@WH40kbestof)

X · Jan 11, 2026, 10:15 PM

[muted turtle]

Finally finished up my Warglaives

[west cairn]

Now dump a bucket of fake blood on those bad boys

https://tenor.com/view/skarbrand-warhammer-total-war-chaos-gif-4042499340997426989

[muted turtle]

dont have fake blood, will real blood do?

[west cairn]

Ironically real blood looks faker

[west cairn]

https://www.ign.com/articles/warhammer-maker-games-workshop-bans-its-staff-from-using-ai-in-its-content-or-designs-says-none-of-its-senior-managers-are-currently-excited-about-the-tech

men of iron L

[royal stone]

Rare GW PR W

[half umbra]

Nah, they're just sticking to their classic stance on IP protection and community works

[ornate ledge]

To be fair, in the modern age of IPs being kinda trashed in bad adaptations it almost seems respectable.

[west cairn]

it's institutional trauma from Warcraft happening

also the fact that so much of their settings are rip offs (in some cases I think they'd be illegal IP infringement if they were done today)

[devout lark]

Yeah, gw loves to trash their ip in their own bad adaptations, like the god emperor intended.

Actually, believing in total purity and then immediately screwing with the design yourself is absolutely on point for the god emperor, so fair play to them.

[ornate ledge]

Yeah which is why I think it is funny when people are worried about Amazon ruining warhammer. No one will be allowed to ruin warhammer but GW themselves.

[devout lark]

Oh i think there's a solid chance it's a terrible adaptation but it definitely can't ruin warhammer.

Warhammer is too vast to be ruined.

[ornate ledge]

True. But I also think that if it turns out bad it is more likely GW's fault than it is Amazon's.

[devout lark]

Hard to tell. I think there's gonna be a lot of push and pull.

Unless Cavill is going to showrun it you can bet good money that amazon will appoint some upwards failer to run it.

After wheel of time S1 mostly failed they immediately tried to give Rafe Judkins the god of war show.

[coral abyss]

Depends on the studio they grab

[ornate ledge]

It does seem like Cavil has a good amount of control here from what he has said but I guess you never know.

[coral abyss]

TV production is such an odd beast

Almost especially in the internet TV era

[carmine vapor]

Do we know how far along they are?

[ornate ledge]

Also Amazon content varies pretty significantly, Invincible and the Expanse are both fairly faithful from everything I have seen. And people really liked the Boys for about two or three seasons.

[coral abyss]

Rafe Judkins and the WoT show aren't my favorite but then WoT isn't my favorite, and I will absolutely go to bat for them getting shafted by covid for season 1 and showing clear signs of Getting It Together in subsequent seasons

The Expanse, for what its worth, isn't really theirs

[ornate ledge]

They haven't gotten very far yet.

[devout lark]

I'm not really willing to give Judkins much leeway because he also was a big part of the uncharted movie iirc.

[coral abyss]

It was a studio making it for SyFy, and they did for three seasons, and then Amazon bought distribution rights for s4-6

The Uncharted movie is solidly like a 5/10 mid film

Not great, not terrible

I've seen better in the genre and I've seen far worse

[devout lark]

Yeah but it's a pretty terrible adaptation out of something that already has a better story in the visual format.

[coral abyss]

I even think with different casting its a 6 or 7 / 10

[devout lark]

From what I understand they've done some filming with mgm.

[ornate ledge]

Honestly while I definitely want it to be good, so long as I get to see Warhammer visuals on a high budget presentation I will be pretty happy even if the story sucks.

[devout lark]

I'm more interested in their choice of story.

[ornate ledge]

Even Rings of Power accomplished good visual effects most of the time and that show was not very good.

[devout lark]

Do they want to go into the full galactic conflict story or more like Eisenhorn.

[ornate ledge]

I hope it is original. The easiest way to guarantee people get angry is if they choose to adapt something that already exists.

[devout lark]

Or do we get more Ultramarines lmao.

[coral abyss]

Amazon MGM being behind Rings of Power and now Warhammer is I think the most concerning corner of this

RoP was expensive as hell but we're also looking at like notable casting and particularly costuming issues

[devout lark]

And they also made...

Oof.

Red one.

[ornate ledge]

Yeah but I think one thing that is in favor of the Warhammer show is that Warhammer is a setting first, it does not need to be bound to any one series if books.

[devout lark]

That film didn't even look too good.

[devout lark]

So Ultramarines it is.

[coral abyss]

No, but left to their own devices they're also looking at story problems

[ornate ledge]

Maybe but I would personally be much happier with a bad original story than messing up a beloved story that already exists.

A new bad story in Warhammer will just join the pile.

[coral abyss]

Isn't Cavill a Custodes guy?

[devout lark]

What about adopting a bad story.

I have a trillion dollar idea.

War of the beast.

Even studio meddling can only make it better.

[coral abyss]

Will it make a trillion dollars or cost a trillion dollars

[ornate ledge]

I feel like surely this will be a story that will have a human protagonist so they don't have to pay millions of dollars for every single scene.

[devout lark]

Never said anything about making money.

[devout lark]

I can see a space marine protagonist.

If they really wanna jump off the deep end do Gavriel Loken.

Eventually they're 100% gonna lean into the heresy.

[coral abyss]

Ciaphas Cain makes a lot of sense to me, personally

[devout lark]

Cain strikes a wrong tone for the first show, imo.

[coral abyss]

Serialized nature, not running around in Space Marine armor

[ornate ledge]

I think the absolute best way to do this would be a new story about an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader that ends having a space marine of either Chaos or loyalist show up and be either a massive problem or a big help.

[ornate ledge]

Please, Henry if I can have nothing else, please make the 40k show take place in 40k.

[devout lark]

It'd be interesting to see if they have actually said it's 40k or just warhammer. I hope it's 40k but I'm 200% sure that they'll go into the heresy really fast.

Even if the first couple pieces of media are 40k.

[ornate ledge]

As someone who has read a large portion of the Horus Heresy books I can say without a shadow of a doubt that their quality fluctuates about as much as 40k, that is to say 30% terrible, 30% mid, and 30% good, and the setting of 40k is much more interesting but the good is more spread out because there is just so much of it in total.

[ornate ledge]

It is 40k but I have no clue if that includes rights to Heresy stuff.

They actually also have rights to fantasy and AoS as well.

[devout lark]

Yeah then they probably can make it.

I think the advantage of horus heresy is the existence of a large high stakes main plot.

Rather than book to book quality.

[carmine vapor]

Can we please not have it be the heresy

[ornate ledge]

I read the wording of their deal and it just said 40k and fantasy.

[devout lark]

The whole allure of it is the extreme scale of it.

[ornate ledge]

That you can't adapt.

[carmine vapor]

The heresy is done and over and we need to move forward

[coral abyss]

I think heresy is extremely likely if and only if its successful enough to franchise out

No shot its the first show

[devout lark]

Yeah, that's my point.

[ornate ledge]

They could try to adapt that series but it would take so long and have to gloss over so much that people love.

And it woudl then end up being what the HH actually is which is an overglorified prequel to the actually good setting.

[devout lark]

I think there's really two ways they can go about it on the grand scale.

[ornate ledge]

Please if any one actually wants xenos or real chaos to exist then they will definitely want 40k instead of heresy.

[devout lark]

Either they want to do a grand cinematic universe or do setting based stories.

[ornate ledge]

Wdym?

[devout lark]

You can either try to make ten individual good, mid to low stakes shows set in the universe. Maybe they intersect into one threat. Think umm, the filoniverse in star wars if you're familiar with that.

Or they can try to just tell the grand narrative of the entire sum and substance of warhammer.

[ornate ledge]

I see. I definitely prefer the first and not the latter. And I think GW would prefer that because even with Black Library they prefer to leave their setting progression to the campaign books.

[devout lark]

I strongly doubt GW will let them move the narrative in any series capacity.

[ornate ledge]

Yeah, which is why I would think they would prefer to make new stuff that is somewhat self contained because any differences between the adaptation and the original have implications for lore and if it is setting defining it can be really bad if it is messed up.

[coral abyss]

I don't think there's any world where Amazon relies heavily on Chaos and I think you'll be lucky to ever see any xenos

[ornate ledge]

Then who the heck do you think the villains would be??

[devout lark]

So they can either adapt what already exists into high stakes stories or make essentially new characters and stories with their own low stakes.

I'm ambivalent on either side, but I can't imagine being Cavill or Amazon and pointedly ignoring the major "draws".

[coral abyss]

To clarify, I think they'll talk about chaos a lot but I don't think it'll get a ton of screen presence except in like capstone episodes

I expect a lot of regular humans will be shooting a lot of regular humans, if I'm being honest

[ornate ledge]

I would have to assume the main villain of the show will be a chaos worshiper at the very least.

[devout lark]

There's also another world where they just rewrite the whole narrative if GW lets them.

[ornate ledge]

Probably.

[devout lark]

I'd guess that there would be heavy space marine presence or it will never even pass production because that's just how it'll sell.

[ornate ledge]

I think that is the least likely one unless we get some kind of ridiculous announcement that it exists outside of the main continuity or something.

[devout lark]

Otherwise you can be damn sure everyone will be complaining about the lack of space Marines in the space marine setting.

[ornate ledge]

If that announcement comes then you can probably safely assume it will be bad.

[devout lark]

It's very unlikely for sure but i can imagine an exec going...

"OH THEN WE CAN MAKE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MINIS AND SELL THEM FOR THIS BRAND NEW SETTING"

[coral abyss]

I think Space Marines have the counterweight of the actors-wearing-helmets issue

[ornate ledge]

Say what you will about the greediness of GW (it is most likely deserved) but I think they know where the money is and they probably know that that isnt it.

Space Marines are the main protagonists because they make the most money.

[devout lark]

Oh rest assured they'll all take them off after the first scene.

[carmine vapor]

I dont think a humans vs humans warhammer 40k adaptation that focuses just on humans is 1. Likely or 2. Going to be good

[ornate ledge]

I don't think that is an issue considering how much Space Marines hate wearing their helmets.

[devout lark]

They made master chief take it off in the TV show. They give zero damns about helmet sanctity.

[coral abyss]

I can see helmets-off being weirdly hard to work around due to the physical size of Marines

Or, they make them smaller

[ornate ledge]

Neither do the model makers to be fair.

[coral abyss]

Master Cheeks butts up against that problem and he's not nearly Marine sized

[devout lark]

It'll definitely need some tricks and cgi work.

They kinda looked okay in sm2.

[ornate ledge]

Luckily Space Marines are chemically castrated...

[carmine vapor]

We live in the future this isnt a real issue

[devout lark]

Nah bad cgi is definitely an issue.

Uncanny valley can kill anything.

[carmine vapor]

Bad cgi is an issue but separate from "helmets off will be hard"

[devout lark]

I think it can be successfully done.

[ornate ledge]

I think CGI is good enough even on a TV show scale for the marines to look good, plus GW will definitely push for everything to be as close to how the models look as possible so that they can push the sale of said models.

[devout lark]

But it is definitely a challenge and will require passion and effort.

[carmine vapor]

[coral abyss]

It can be (Lord of the Rings) and it also can be done badly (The Hobbit)

[ornate ledge]

If we get a The Hobbit quality Warhammer thing I honestly would not be that mad. You could do a lot worse.

[carmine vapor]

That is also why I think they cant just run humans. We will have to get chaos and xenos on screen

[ornate ledge]

I agree.

[devout lark]

If only there was a medium where you could visually depict outlandish things in a very high quality and relatively cost efficient way...

[carmine vapor]

Even if its just the chaos marines of all varieties and the nids.

[carmine vapor]

Thats called live action with cgi these days

Animated is not happening same as stormlight

[devout lark]

In a cost efficient and high quality way? Nah.

[ornate ledge]

I would love it if the first episode has like a montage of just intro to the setting with the classic Grimdarkness of the Far Future monologue being played over it.

[carmine vapor]

That monologue totally opens the show 100%

[devout lark]

I mean, animated stories of warhammer have happened lol.

[carmine vapor]

Yes but the cavil 40k adaptation wont be animated

[ornate ledge]

They definitely are not gonna stop with the animated warhammer either to be fair, they just confirmed they are working on getting an AoS version of their Secret Level episode.

[devout lark]

Oh yeah. Almost certainly not.

But realistically I also really doubt cavill's adaptation will ever really take off.

[carmine vapor]

I just dont have the energy to be that negative or cynical

[devout lark]

My guess is that it'll be pretty solid but never make up the money that went into it.

[ornate ledge]

I think GW and Amazon are definitely going to push it as the next big thing.

This show will absolutely be pushed so hard.

[devout lark]

I don't think I'm being extraordinarily negative, that's just the way most adaptations tend to go these days and this is a particularly tough nut to crack.

[ornate ledge]

Expect models from it in game within a year after release.

[carmine vapor]

Honestly I kinda hope 11th edition launches with a trailer for the movie and a "find these new models from the upcoming adaptation in these 250$ boxes"

[ornate ledge]

Lol. That would be hilarious.

[carmine vapor]

It makes sense if they are looking at a 2027 release date ish

For the show

[devout lark]

In general I'm hard pressed to think of a major live action adaptation in the past decade or so that really was both high quality and made money and sustained momentum. Sonic is the big one in my mind.

[carmine vapor]

Uhh

Expanse?

[devout lark]

Oh yeah, that's fair.

I think it started succeeding around a decade ago-ish so it qualifies.