Willverse

[inner loom]

Cradle + Pilot ||

"What lies beneath Subspace?" Void Prism asked. That was an answer any educated person knew. "Nothing". I said. "Exactly. An absence of existence. But there are being who can traverse that gulf, those who-"
From this quote it sounds to me like Subspace isn't the Void but something like the border between Fathom and the Void. ||

[spice socket]

Ahhh right. Yes

Man. I forgot the exact line that referenced my question

That is so like me

[lilac vault]

Reaper 6 ||How did a Blood Shadow become a Herald anyway? Does a Blood Shadow even HAVE a Remnant? Based on Yerin and Red Faith's own beliefs, the Blood Shadow functions AS a Remnant.||

[spice socket]

Threshold (story) || I love Lindon so much. He’s always such a strategist and minute detail minded. And then he throws a meteor at a silver lord||

[lilac vault]

Can I have some art of Lindon with ||his white arm visible||

[proud oar]

Hm. No idea how to spoiler-ize these, but the earliest these are spoilers for us Underlord, so it’s not a huge deal.

Except maybe (full series so you don’t know which book) ||his eyes||

[opal wadi]

these are all very spoiler heavy

I'd say

[robust estuary]

Easiest way is probably to download the images, delete the forwarded messages, then repost spoilered

I don't think its possible to tag an image from a forward

[spice socket]

Mmmmmmm. This information can be returned so far. Lmao

[spice socket]

Harness || omgbyay the longest story is about Ziel and it’s POKEMON LMAO||

[dreamy sorrel]

Harness: ||Did you catch the iteration number?||

[spice socket]

Omg not till just now

Incredible

I have missed dross

So much

[lilac vault]

Reaper 7 ||You know at the rate we're going, I don't even know that Lindon is gonna catch up to Reigan Shen. Shen has been in there this whole time, and Lindon still has to wait before he can enter||

||It seems like Shen is gonna get everything he wants before Lindon even gets there||

||WAIT SHEN HAS BEEN IN THE LABYRINTH FOR A YEAR?!||

||I THOUGHT LINDON ONLY HAD TO WAIT A FEW MONTHS||

||Also it occurs to me that Eithan just has better Byakugan. It's always on and sees farther||

[opal wadi]

||The Labyrinth also eats you up tremendously over time, it's constantly draining your stats and everything you have on you, the longer you stay in the weaker you become, Shen can only stay inside because he's been preparing for years now and has a very big budget as one of the richest Monarchs||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah and the stronger you are the more the field affects you||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 9 ||Oooohhhh the Eight Man Empire is with Shen||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 11 ||Are we finally gonna learn Eithan's story here? I'd be surprised if we got his full story in this scene, but this book definitely feels like this is when we learn Eithan's whole story. Lindon is questioning him too much now for us to not get it by the end.||

||Yeah definitely not Eithan's full story. There's something about him that he isn't telling us, there's one puzzle piece that is missing that will make Eithan's entire story make sense.||

[spice socket]

Incredible, that was the best one so far

[spice socket]

TGCAW || so there’s a chat gpt in the grave? Wild.||

[hollow ferry]

Gf cradle update. Wintersteel all

https://tenor.com/view/lit-baby-cute-adorable-cheering-gif-17449868

[spice socket]

TGCAW || no one ships the polycule more than Eithan.||

[spice socket]

HCSHE || “Ghostwaters ending is perfect”||

Accurate

[opal wadi]

Wintersteel just goes hard

It's got that special juice where it rewards you for sticking with the series this long

[hollow ferry]

Yeah it really does

[spice socket]

Threshold was great

[lilac vault]

I'm having Waybound and Threshold delivered

I might be getting the Threshold paper back early?

I think that's what the clerk was saying, she said the paperback didn't come out until the 30th but that it was fine so

[robust estuary]

Nah that's been out for a while

Still kicking myself for not bring my copy to that signing 😭

[lilac vault]

? Amazon says physical doesn't come out until Jan 6

[robust estuary]

January 6th last year maybe

(January does sound right, dropping the sarcasm, but idr if it was the 6th)

[robust estuary]

Weird. Probably a new print run or something

[lilac vault]

Says the same for hardcover

V weird

[robust estuary]

Hardcover might be new, I don't think that was an option when I got mine

[lilac vault]

It's also weird that the clerk said that it didn't come out until the 30th

[zenith fossil]

Commander when 😭

[opal wadi]

Will said 2026 is gonna be full of bangers

so not too far away

we go the litrpg book and Commander and probably something else

Will thinks he can squeeze three books in a year

[lilac vault]

Reaper 12 ||"Daruman and Oth-Kimeth laughed together"||

https://tenor.com/view/mahito-sukuna-itadori-laugh-risadas-gif-19649080

[spice socket]

I’m very interested in wills lit rpg

I still don’t know how I feel about the genre in general

He who fights with monsters and dungeon crawler Carl are kind of wildly different books

[opal wadi]

If you think about it Last Horizon has litrpg elements

||Literally Sola's armor works on litrpg mechanics||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 13 ||Okay so this is why Eithan knows so much, seemingly. He's naturally exceptionally intelligent, so he was able to enter and comprehend Ozriel's dream tablets at even the highest levels of Advancement||

||REIGAN SHEN ALREADY?! I'M ONLY HALF THROUGH THIS BOOK||

[spice socket]

very true

he did mention in the video that hes basically used all its defining tropes already lmao

[lilac vault]

Reaper 14 ||I just instantly fall in love with Telariel and especially Zakariel||

[opal wadi]

||If a family produced a one in a thousand generations genius it's only natural they'd eventually produce a second one||

[lilac vault]

I have known her for five seconds and I love her deeply

[opal wadi]

||I like to think Durandiel looks like this japanese yokai, the Yurei, basically a ghost||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 15 ||OH SO REIGAN SHEN IS GILGAMESH, I SEE NOW||
||EITHAN WAS ABOUT TO MANIFEST HIS ICON AND THEN HE JUST BRUSHED IT AWAY BECAUSE THIS ISNT A COOL ENOUGH MOMENT FOR HIM LMAO
BRO LOOKED AT A MONARCH, SAID "THIS ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH" AND DECIDED TO FIGHT HIM WEAKER||

[lilac vault]

Fair

[lilac vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-swords-fate-gif-4043049756132464928

||Reigan Shen||

[thick bay]

||This is one of my most favorite moments in the whole series. ||

[hollow ferry]

Gf theorizing in bloodline. Going to say bloodline all because idk how far she is.

@opal wadi Cradle all nuclear not safe for neon || The gaslighting is working! ||

[opal wadi]

||Gaslight Icon||

[lilac vault]

🤔

I didn't consider that

But I think it unlikely

||I think the Dreadgods probably existed before he disappeared. I've never been given indication to think otherwise, though I guess they haven't given a timeline on either event||

[lilac vault]

Remind me

||Did they tell us Eithan's Archlord revelation?|| Reaper general

I don't recall

Reaper 17 ||"She's Malice. I am Mercy."||

||BANGER LINE||

||I love that it's the same thing she already said, that she isn't her mother, but it's also the virtue they represent. Mercy isn't just not her mother, she actively wants to live up to her own name, the polar opposite of her mother's||

[opal wadi]

||Not yet, no, we only know the Overlord one because both Underlord and Archlord happen off camera||

[lilac vault]

Mmk

I didn't think so

[spice socket]

|| The Sage of Blue Flame||

[tawny matrix]

[Unsouled up to Ch. 7] || Looking good so far
But please tell me this is the sort of story where they tear down the corrupt society at the end. These people suck in how they treat Lindon.
Iteration 110?? "Where he forged his own path"??
And who's Ozriel and is he connected to Lindon?||

[opal wadi]

||Oh that's two rafos in a row, you'll learn more about that second thing as the series goes on||

[safe knoll]

we do be feasting on that reaction aura the last few months
nice

[spice socket]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

We grow more powerful by the day

[spice socket]

I should have just tagged you in this @opal wadi I am too proud of this terrible joke

[spice socket]

I have decided to put just the entire cradle series on my 2025 top five books

[dreamy sorrel]

In 1 slot as a collective or is the top 5 just various Cradle books?

[spice socket]

No it’s slot 2 as a collective lol

this inevitable ruin took the top spot

1 This Inevitable Ruin
2 The Cradle Series
3 The Knight
4 This is How You Lose the Time War
5 He Who Fights With Monsters book 3

As I’ve said many times, of the many things I’ve taken issue with in HWFWM as a whole

The lack of intelligible subtitles is the most aggravating

[pseudo sedge]

I've decided to do The Captain as my next kindle app read so I'll be back here providing that valuable reaction aura soon

[opal wadi]

I'm starting The Captain with my friend next year

[tawny matrix]

[Unsouled Ch.8, ableism] || "True geniuses forge their own path...oh, but I'm not calling you a genius, why would you be a genius? No, it's just a figure of speech, silly!"
Screw you, Seisha. Screw. You.
Seriously, can we talk about the level of casual cruelty in that statement? Casually stating, to your child's own face, that you don't think he's a genius. Why? Because he was born with a disability. And poor Lindon just experiences momentary disappointment - not anger that his own mother is so rude to him, just disappointment that even people he loves don't think he's good at anything.

And, like
Being disabled myself, I have feelings on the tendency to view disability as divine punishment or disfavour.
But hey, at least the 'divine disfavour' argument actually provides a logical and understandable, if cruel and misguided reason that disabled people might be treated that way.
With these people...it's literally just "You're not like us, so you're broken."
Screw all of 'em. Hope Ozriel changes his mind and nukes the whole Sacred Valley.
[NB: I am not critiquing the author, he's making it very clear that we are not to agree with how Lindon is treated]||

[opal wadi]

||The Sacred Valley mentality is so disgusting, like it makes you actually feel anger at how backwards they are||

||Your feelings will be validated by... almost everyone that interacts with those people||

[hollow ferry]

Bloodline all || My gf just hit the death of Dross. She is not happy with Lindon. I cannot say the word she is saying prior to Lindon currently but it rhymes with luck. She’s considering a DNF if Dross is really dead dead.

I’m surprised somewhat because a few books ago she wasn’t huge on Dross/thought he was weird. She still thinks he’s weird but I guess she’s warmed on him a fair bit ||

[zenith kayak]

Cradle all ||Ask her if she's watched RoboCop.||

[hollow ferry]

|| I don’t understand this reference. I have not watched RoboCop. I would be surprised if she has either ||

[zenith kayak]

Oops, RiP me, I'm manufacturing memories. The reference I was aiming for is apparently something I haven't even watched!

Cradle all ||The reference I was going for is apparently The Six Million Dollar Man; "We can rebuild him; we have the technology"||

[opal wadi]

||Tell her to keep reading, she will be surprised, but it won't be easy, also use this to gaslight her and distract her from the twist, make her focus on Dross||

||Operation Gaslight is on, lethal force authorized||

[hollow ferry]

@opal wadi Cradle all nuclear || Operation gaslight has been a success so far. She now more so thinks that Eithan being a descendant helps to explain things and her theorizing around Ozriel has now started down other paths.

But yeah I plan to also make sure she continues ||

[spice socket]

muahahahahahaahahaa

[spice socket]

Man I love seeing new people start the books

[dreamy sorrel]

Cradle all atomic: ||Nah don't distract her from Eithan, just don't talk about their connection||

[hollow ferry]

Same tags || Yeah pretty sure I didn’t bring it up again ||

[lilac vault]

Reaper up to 19 ||I wonder how the Judges don't just neutralize Daruman here. Cuz like surely for narrative purposes he won't lose here, but with all of them fighting him, I can't imagine that it's not all or nothing. Either the Judges die or Daruman dies, and I don't think either of those are likely. I can't imagine how Daruman would flee||

[zenith fossil]

||I can't remember the exact reasoning but I get most of the impression that it's because Daruman is smart about it and because most of the judges aren't willing to put their lives on the line
If they were, well we wouldn't be having all these issues in the first place now would we||

[lilac vault]

Up to Reaper ||You know, I'm kind of surprised that we have just. Done nothing with Ekeri's Remnant. They mentioned her once or twice after Lindon got the key, and then she just vanished. Where did sh ego?||

[robust estuary]

||Ekerinatoth's remnant mention||

[opal wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-coffin-world-wrestling-entertainment-gif-17903370

[robust estuary]

I have a small handful of characters I love and I will never not show up for them

[lilac vault]

Oh Lord (Reaper 20)

||Why does Eithan's little speech there make me think he's gonna sacrifice himself||

Lmaao

||Oh okay, Eithan just left too. He didn't even fight Ozmanthus.||

Reaper 21 ||That's a tidy way to explain how Daruman doesn't die here||

[dreamy sorrel]

Reaper all: ||Shame I can't consume the fresh hunger aura and will have to be satisfied with multiple hour old reactions||

[opal wadi]

||The sass is hereditary||

[violet apex]

All of us watching Neon reach the climax of Reaper

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 2 ||wowwww just starting off with the protagonist having a bad dad right off the bat||

[opal wadi]

||The will wight special, it's his version of fries on the side of your burger||

[lilac vault]

Yeah I may need to think about not reading until I'm free to do nothing but read

Once ||Lindon comes face to face with Reigan Shen|| or another suitably appropriate moment, I'll probably stop reading until most likely Sunday

Just so I can do it all at once

[boreal oasis]

just want to appreciate the use of a Super Megaforce meme, which is probably the only good thing to come out of that season

[lilac vault]

Reaper 21 ||THE MONARCHS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ON CRADLE AND THAT'S WHY THE DREADGODS EXIST?!||

[spice socket]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[dreamy sorrel]

Cradle general: ||What's the best reaction for hunger? I'm leaning towards but I'm not completely sold. Any better ideas?||

[lilac vault]

AJISDHFUIHSDUIFGHUSIDFH

||ARCHLOOOOOORD|| Reaper 22

[lilac vault]

For clarity, this was a response to the below, not the above

[safe knoll]

reaper 22 ||our hungy boi came so far from barely winning against copper children 🥲 ||

[lilac vault]

lmao

Question

[robust estuary]

The answer is yes

[lilac vault]

||Is it safe for me to assume that at the very least all the Judges are effectively Monarchs? They're all obviously Sages, but is it a safe bet that they've also become Heralds?|| Reaper up to 23

[zenith kayak]

||The answer is actually Yesn't||

[safe knoll]

hmmmm

[robust estuary]

||Part of that answer is "The Judges make Monarchs look like coppers"||

[zenith kayak]

||Monarchs are a Cradle thing, the places they came from might not have had them (or even an equivalent). That being said, they're well above Monarchs in power.||

[lilac vault]

||Well yeah I knew they were stronger than Monarchs, I was just wondering if they'd also fused with their Remnants.||

||The Icons thing seems universal||

[zenith kayak]

||Remnants are a Cradle thing. Most other iterations don't have an equivalent.||

[lilac vault]

||Not sure about Remnants or fusing with them but I thought, maybe||

[safe knoll]

||Judges do wield great authority, and can use it externally like Sages, and most of them had their bodies perfected, kinda sorta not really like Heralds. So ≈ish, I suppose?||

[zenith kayak]

Willverse general ||Icons are tapping directly into The Way. There's an argument to be made that the Cradle system actually caps out at Herald, but The Way has corrupted the Iteration and allowed Icons and Sages to be a thing.||

[safe knoll]

They aren't, actually.
||Authority is universal, but the way it manifests in each Iteration is different. And not all authority is derived from the Way. Icons are a local Cradle manifestation of a person establishing enough Order-aligned authority to get it recognised by the Way||

[dreamy sorrel]

Cradle all (safe for Neon): ||A better analogy is book 12 Lindon. You'll understand when you get there||

||Although even that example isn't perfect, Lindon doesn't match up. More like Lindon times 100 to match 1 judge||

[thick bay]

Eragon ||This gives me slight eragon vibes.||

[thick bay]

||No. Each iteration mostly has a different kind of system, though they all do use authority, aura, and etc.

Its like they all have the same kinds of puzzle pieces but for them some pieces are larger and some smaller and some are less defined.||

[dreamy sorrel]

Willverse general: ||And some are missing pieces. Looking at you Amalgam||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 23 ||Oh Malice did call in Northstrider||

||His second seclusion didn't last long||

[lilac vault]

Reaper 24 ||OZRIEL WHERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU||

||I BETTER SEE THIS GUY SOON DAMMIT||

[spice socket]

Lmao

[lilac vault]

Reaper 24 ||"I swear on my soul that I will never reveal, without permission, that the Dreadgods only remain alive because the Monarchs will not ascend"||

||That wording feels hyper specific||

||And if I know anything, I know that if you swear something insanely hyper specific then you know a loophole that you plan to exploit||

||Lindon absolutely has some way around this that he will totally use, I dunno how but he'll do it||

||DAMMIT! THE OATH BINDS THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW! THE ULTIMATE RULE BREAKER BREAKER!||

||Suriel's marble winked out? That seems bad||

Reaper 25 ||Oh, Fury wanted all the Monarchs to leave. Interesting.||

||Oh God is Daruman here, is that why everyone is freaking out||

||A DESTROYER HAS COME||

||Ozrieeeeeel if there was a time for you to come back this would be a really goooooood one||

||This god damn book is NAMED AFTER YOU, YOU SLACKER!||

KSODFPIJPOSDKGJUIGHFOIPASKDFHGILADFJ;OKLASDFIO;ASOIDFJIOASDHFOIASDHJOIFJASDIOFHOASDFIOAKJEROUHYAWEOFIASOGJIOASDFIOSFPKASJDUFGSGUIUJGFDIUYFUOISDAJFHSADIUFUAOSIDJFUASGD

THere is no GIF that conveys the amount of ____ I am feeling

No I will not fill that in, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW

||THE DESTROYER HAS COME||

[jade notch]

We've been looking forward to that 😄

[lilac vault]

||WHO COULD HAVE MORE AUTHORITY OVER OZRIEL'S SCYTHE THAN OZRIEL||

[jade notch]

Reaper 25 or 26 ||Isn't that just the most amazing reveal?????||

[lilac vault]

It's PEAK

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rezero-subaru-anime-gif-4124913171504496092

[jade notch]

Reaper 26 ||How many of us screamed at this point? 🙋 ||

[lilac vault]

||HIS AWARENESS EXPANDED TO FILL EVERYTHING. NOTHING COULD HIDE FROM HIM||

LMAO ||LINDON TRIES TO EAT SOME OF EITHAN||

Love this man

Takes every opportunity

||He do be hungry||

The end
Of Cradle: Volume Ten
Reaper
It's peak.

[violet apex]

Reaper ||I think my favorite part of that whole sequence is “Eithan hadn’t known. ‘I always know.’||

[lilac vault]

JUIFHSAUHDFUISDF THE FIRST BLOOPER BEING ||LITTLE BLUE IS OZRIEL|| IS SO GOD DAMN FUNNY

The Little Blue bloopers are the best ones

||I seriously hope she actually gets a tiny knife and stabs someone by the end of this series||

||LINDON FINDING EITHAN'S OLD EMO POEMS LMAOOOO||

Hmmm

Methinks I'll read prologue

[violet apex]

See you in a few hours when you’ve finished Dreadgod

[opal wadi]

||The Destroyer has come.||

[dreamy sorrel]

Reaper all: ||Oppenheimer's got nothing on Ozriel||

[humble bluff]

One piece ch 99 ||This is what we could've had in cradle too 😤||

[opal wadi]

||Usha just reached that chapter, she seems to have enjoyed the taste of Lindon just traight up dying||

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 3 ||as soon as the Bishop showed up I'm like wait...these are chess themed names, surely there's a Queen somewhere (I'm still mid chapter)||

[opal wadi]

||I've reread the series like, four times maybe? and this clicked for me just now, woah||

The more you learn

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 4 || 🎶 Ride on the Magic Schoolbus Moonfall🎶||

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 5 ||“They believe they have found The Last Horizon.” eyyyyy series title drop||

[thick bay]

||They said the thing ||

[thick bay]

TG ALL pet peeve ||It still annoys me so much that the second book cover spoils something that happens in the third.||

[spice socket]

Wow it does? That is nuts

[tawny matrix]

You what-

[safe knoll]

I honestly forgot that Will made new editions with new covers and sat confused for a good minute thinking how a cover for a book title "The Crimson Vault" that depicts that same vault could spoil anything

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 2 ||Is the Silent King's cult people brainwashed by him, people who keep well clear of him and just harvest the madra they can, or a mix of both?||

||Also it's kinda funny that the one named Silent King is the only one that can actually speak||

||Or at least the only one without its intelligence inhibited||

[safe knoll]

dg 2 ||silent servants are people who use the king's madra and model their techniques on his. the people in hordes he controls are truly mind-controlled and have only limited autonomy ||

[lilac vault]

Okay that's what I thought

||So the Silent Servants are, by and large, not mind controlled||

[safe knoll]

||no more than Redmoon hall emissaies are hollowed out and driven berserk by their blood shadows ||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah I figured that they were just rando opportunists, but I wasn't 100%||

||Because I don't think we've really seen much of the Silent Servants? They were at the Uncrowned King tournament but I don't think there were any that were major?||

[safe knoll]

||Lindon ate the one that lost to Sophara. Juvari something||

[lilac vault]

||Was that one of the two people that met with Yerin alongside Yan Shoumei?||

||Cuz those two are the only ones I remember and I don't think either of them were Silent Servants||

[safe knoll]

||Yerin only met with Redmoon hall||

[lilac vault]

||I don't think it was only Redmoon? I'm pretty sure she met with Yan Shoumei alongside a Weeping Dragon dude and a Wandering Titan dude||

[humble bluff]

||Calan at least was there too I thought||

[lilac vault]

Yeah

||Calan was there||

||And there was a third guy and I don't think he was Redmoon either||

[safe knoll]

I forgot he existed for a moment, my bad

[lilac vault]

Fair lmao

He made an impression on me but I didn't remember his name

[humble bluff]

||Around the time yerin was with shuei, I think?||

[lilac vault]

Yeah

||They showed up and talked with her||

||And told her that they weren't all bad||

[safe knoll]

||but I don't think Yerin had any interactions with Brother Aechan(spelling?)||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah I didn't think she did||

||But I can't remember who the third guy was||

||idr if he was Dragon or Titan||

[safe knoll]

I don't remember there being anyone else hmmm

[lilac vault]

||I looked up a list of the characters in the tournament, I think it was Therian Nills||

||Aekin was Abyssal Palace, and the Silent Servant was Kenvata Nasuma Juvari, who I don't remember at all||

[safe knoll]

he washed up early, so I deleted him from memory

[lilac vault]

Fair

lmao

[safe knoll]

wintersteel all ||"Spikes of [Juvari's] dream madra pierced Lindon’s head, but he ignored them completely."||
||nuff said||

[lilac vault]

||This series really does have a bit of a "Show 'em for a bit and then forget 'em" thing going on. There are not that many characters who are long term important that aren't Monarchs and our main squad||

||Even the Sages just sorta dip after their time in the sun||

||We legit haven't seen Min Shuei since Wintersteel, I don't think we saw any conclusion with Yerin after she fused with Ruby||

||Granted I wouldn't have expected Juvari to do anything important anyway||

Dreadgod 2 ||But idk there are characters that I feel like it's a shame that they just vanish, as much as it makes sense, like Pride and Yan Shoumei (granted I am literally reading a scene with Pride right now, but he's been pretty out of focus ever since he lost in the tournament, he wasn't even focused on much when he was with Lindon in Wintersteel)||

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 9 ||way too early guess: based on the titles of other books in the series, I'm guessing each is a first person view point of whoever's going to fill that role on The Last Horizon. Also, not to be all "person who's only seen Boss Baby thinks everything is Boss Baby" but with Horizon, we've got another bluish incorporeal female character who maybe has a touch of whimsy ||

[zenith kayak]

||I've got two answers for you, pick the one you prefer:
This one's people sized, it's totally different!
Cortana sure did imprint on a generation, didn't she!||

[spice socket]

What other will series are worth the read

Is travelers gate good?

[robust estuary]

I liked them all. Traveler's Gate and Elder Empire are a bit contentious, but they've all got their fans here

[spice socket]

Word

[zenith kayak]

My recent reread of TG was much better than I expected

For EE, WW tried to be ambitious, but it backfired. Sometimes it's neat to read, but in the end I feel it didn't work (EE is two interwoven trilogies telling the story of a series of events from different perspectives)

TLH is solid assuming it isn't something that popped up while you were waiting impatiently for the last Cradle book to drop

[spice socket]

i might grab TG book one when my monthly credit drops

i bought 3 credits and grabbed two more hwfwm books

and this book Empress of Forever my best friend recommended

[pseudo sedge]

I see this title and can't help but think of [WOT all] ||Fortuona, may she live forever|| lol

[zenith kayak]

Hooray, finally got the new faux LBs! They're signed by W•M, U•N, and U•M!

I'm gonna be so ready to make friends with people to have over if I get my own place...
(Reaper all, because I can't think of a better point in the timeline)

[golden void]

...
I have both sets of coasters and the same mouse

[zenith kayak]

You too are ready to one day move out!

I still need to figure out a nice cheap spill resistant lighting solution for the Nalthis coasters...

[dreamy sorrel]

Where'd you get the Cradle coasters?

[zenith kayak]

I got them with the 7-9 faux LBs

[thick bay]

6 more days for the anitmatic gets released to the public. O.o

[lilac vault]

Mot-ions (Dreadgod 3)

[lilac vault]

||The THUNDER FAIRY?!||

That's probably the strangest epithet I've heard in this series lmao

[robust estuary]

||I think they got mentioned once or twice before, back during the Uncrowned Tournament. Maybe only by name, not title, though||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 4 ||lmfao Ziel advanced three times off screen||

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || This is not a drill. My girlfriend is on chapter 22. T-minus 3 chapters. Been listening with her. Should finish it tonight ||

[opal wadi]

Operation Gaslight awaiting results

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || When Eithan and Ozzie labyrinth shadow were about to fight, she did exclaim “I told you!” But then cut herself off and said something like well maybe, we’ll see ||

[lilac vault]

Reaper full ||Do you think Eithan and Ozmanthus were just like "Well, this is interesting", they chat for a few minutes, then Eithan just walks out||

[opal wadi]

||Seeing things from the outside is always hilarious||

[opal wadi]

||They actually do, this is a tale in Threshold, you can hear it now that you've done Reaper||

[lilac vault]

LMAO

[opal wadi]

Creadle Reaper ending spoilers
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5bsVqaw7E||

[lilac vault]

I'll wait till I get Threshold physical

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || She’s currently in “if Lindon dies, I DNF the series” mindset ||

[south pendant]

You should listen to it :)

[opal wadi]

||Lindon died twice already! ||

[south pendant]

Travis Baldree is soooo good

[opal wadi]

yeah he gives the characters so much sauce

[south pendant]

They could have just used him for the animatic

[lilac vault]

Alight I'll listen

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || It’s so fun to re-listen to. So much has me like “oh damn, please don’t foreshadow so hard she ends up back on that theory too soon” train.

And also damn I just read the series but I already love coming back to these characters. And it’s so fun getting to see my gf’s reactions to the fun character moments. She also commented on how well written the fight between the squad and Reagan Shen was + how well narrated it is ||

[lilac vault]

Reaper full ||I wonder why Eithan ultimately decided to go to Cradle even though he didn't want to||

[humble bluff]

Reaper ||Oh yeah, neon, the KS bonus spoiler scenes are safe for you now that you've finished Reaper||

[lilac vault]

Yeah that story was good

[lilac vault]

I don't even know what those are 😄

[humble bluff]

https://www.willwight.com/kickstarter-bonus-content.html

[lilac vault]

Why does that map look familiar

I feel like I've seen a map very similar to that

NEW BLOOPERS

AND NOBODY THOUGHT TO TELL ME

FOR SHAME

[robust estuary]

Oh yeah, you're reading the physical books, right? Those probably wouldn't have the new ones

[lilac vault]

Yeah

[thick bay]

People in this chat gave me that link from the beginning when I started reading.

[jade notch]

I really want Isaac to redo that map. I mean, I'm happy we have a map, and it's cute! But I long for the details Isaac puts in

[zenith kayak]

I long for the names of places that don't matter and geographic features that make sense given the scale

[jade notch]

Isn't that pretty much what I said? 😄

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || Operation gaslight continues. Emphasized the fact that Ozriel says he’s never going back to Cradle when another question came up. On chapter 24. We’re so close ||

[humble bluff]

Nameless

[hollow ferry]

Update: Reaper all - || My gf is in fact rightfully smug. She exploded with a bunch of “I KNEW IT” This has been fun. Her reactions are very fun ||

[opal wadi]

||I remember my friend going into that scene he was going insane, then he said something like "Wait but is Eithan strong enough to stop this guy?" and then Eithan stops a universe slashing attack with one hand and my friend started laughing again, truly one of the scenes||

[hollow ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-15012643260983495790

Operation gaslight is finally over

[hollow ferry]

Reaper all || Lmfaoooo nice

She’s so smug ||

And now my girlfriend will soon also advance beyond @lilac vault

[lilac vault]

🙁

Curse my stubby little legs!

[hollow ferry]

You’ll get there in time!

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 9 ||“The ship’s power is the crew, and the crew’s power is the ship. With no Captain, I’m just the spirit of a helpless hunk of metal. The only authority granted to me is to choose a new crew. Now I can move!” ah, so she gains power every time a book is added to this series with a new crew member then||

Captain 10 ||Raion sounds like the Vision looking guy on the cover of the Knight, and he sure acts like a paladin in this vignette...||

[safe knoll]

Reaper all ||We were told from the beginning that he hated Cradle for not being better. Parts of the history where Monarchs ignore the Dreadgod problem are very similar to his own experience with the Adidan and the organisation's inaction. So when Daruman airdropped the origin shroud in his lap, he saw an opportunity to change Cradle and instantly took it. ||

[lilac vault]

Makes sense

[lilac vault]

General up to Dreadgod ||It's kinda funny to me how, in the history of Cradle, seemingly the only person who figured out how to split their core was in god damn Sacred Valley, and literally nobody else ever thought to do this or saw any practical application of this until Eithan took a look at Lindon||

[spice socket]

|| tbf, who in their right mind would want to?||

|| Lindon only did it cause what the hell did he have to lose||

[robust estuary]

||No, I'm pretty sure the Akura overlord guy who tested Lindon before he was allowed to train with them for the Uncrowned Tournament mentioned that splitting your cores is like, a known thing, just uncommon because... yeah its generally a really bad idea. Though I might be confusing that with him saying the same thing about having a Pure core||

[spice socket]

all up to dread god, ||outside of lindons specific situation. and the situation of those who might follow his path. splitting your core only invites a mess of problems. lindon only succeeded cause eithan decided to give him an iron body and meditation technique basically designed for this one specific instance||

[lilac vault]

||For the average joe, yeah. But surely some Monarch could see some practical applications of raising their child with a split core||

[spice socket]

|| actually i now remember his iron body is basically just a vegeta 400x gravity level of the one the uh. sand snake people use or whatever theyre called||

[lilac vault]

||Well, he only gave Lindon that Iron Body because he planned to give him Blackflame specifically, not because his core was split||

[spice socket]

|| Malice looks at Pride "I dont care for Job" ||

[violet apex]

||also Heaven and Earth Purification Wheel isn’t necessary for a split core as much as it is for a pure core||

[lilac vault]

^

[spice socket]

point sceded

still our buddy lindon is a specific use case all around

[lilac vault]

||Lindon is specially designed the way he is because he split his core and was untrained and Eithan was able to work with that||

||And surely a Monarch could see practical use of doing that but with an infant||

[violet apex]

||I do want to know more about the rando that split his core purely to counteract Empty Palm though||

[spice socket]

|| this would require a monarch to care about babies||

[lilac vault]

||Since, as we see with Mercy, Monarchs can groom their heirs in very specific ways if they want||

[spice socket]

a level of petty i aspire to

[lilac vault]

||He lost to one dude and went "I can't be caught out like that ever again"||

[spice socket]

its like that one z soul in xenoverse you get from Tienshinhan that negates Kamehamehas

[lilac vault]

||And probably preceded to never see it again unless he specifically had a grudge match with that dude||

[spice socket]

he was ahead of his time

[opal wadi]

Uncrowned chapter 1
||Justice says people sometimes do this but they're shallower than normal cores and thus considered defective unless you have Eithan's hyper specific cycling technique that allows you to have depth, basically if you do it normally you end up forever with two small cores||

||“Two cores? Hmph.” Characters of blue light floated over the instrument, and Justice read them with a displeased look. “You aren't the first to try it, but they're always shallower than one alone. This tool will measure the capacity of your cores, and we'll see if your spirit is—Heavens above!”||

[lilac vault]

||He actually fought a time traveling Lindon who was messing with him to create a bootstrap paradox||

[lilac vault]

Mm fair

||They do make it a point that only Eithan knows it||

Reaper full ||I wonder if Ozmanthus actually did use that as his cycling technique, or if he only figured it out later||

[opal wadi]

||He probably did, considering he had so much Willpower and domain over it he could manifest an Icon at will, he probably had a better more complex version of it than the one he gave Lindon||

[lilac vault]

||If he did use it as Ozmanthus, maybe it's a technique lost to time||

||Which is why only he knows it||

[opal wadi]

Up to Reaper
||It's a cycling technique that in retrospect is insane, it gives you enormous amounts of Madra capacity by stacking up day by day, AND gives you enough Willpower that a user of it while not being super talented at the thing managed to both withstand a Herald and some Dreadgod will at Underlord like this is actually insane, everyone thought he was going to explode from both things and Lindon survived it by pure force of will, let alone the Icon he awakened||

[lilac vault]

||If Lindon split his core a third time, what would happen? Would his Madra reserves and advancement for each be split in two, would the third core start at foundation, or would it be as advanced as the core he split it from?||

[opal wadi]

||He'd probably have two very small Pure Madra cores, and it could take him years to bring that one up to speed the later he did it, but he could in theory do this an absurd number of times. ||

[lilac vault]

||It's not like Lindon at this point is lacking for either time or resources lmao||

||How would Lindon bring a core that's under Underlord up.to Lord? Would he have to do his revelation again, or would it just be a matter of pouring as many resources into his core as he can?||

[opal wadi]

up to Reaper
||The Lord revelations work something like the Iron Body, you only need to pass them once, Ziel got his advancement restarted and only had to stockpile power to go back to the level he was before he didn't need to revelations a second time. so it would probably have Lord level Soulfire and Madra quality on it just on a very small amount||

[lilac vault]

Mmk

||Cuz with Ziel I was thinking that he would have to completely redo his advancement, and he would get his body forged in Soulfire twice the amount of everyone else||

||Which would be the thing that made him completely busted||

Up to Reaper ||Cuz everyone is minmaxed somehow (Lindon, Yerin, and Mercy were all minmaxed by Eithan, the Sword Sage, and Malice, and Eithan had already minmaxed himself before their great grandparents were even born). Ziel doesn't really have anything insane by himself, but I thought that if his body got reforged in soulfire AGAIN when he brought himself back up the Lord path, then that would make him pretty busted in his own right||

[opal wadi]

Up to Reaper
||Ziel's busted thing is that he's an expert at one of the most complex Paths shown in the story, and he showed that grit and determination (or as I like to call it, that dawg in him) enough to get on Eithan's radar, who can at a glance know the quality of person you are||

||Eithan saw that man break his body and soul in half in a fight, vomit blood afterwars and was like "Damn I want that one."||

[lilac vault]

||I haven't got that it was one of the most complex Paths in the story. That's probably just due to Ziel's relative recency in the party and current lack of POVs tho, maybe it's more obvious when I get more POVs with him||

||Cuz I still mostly don't really understand his Path at all, other than that he can make runes to buff himself up||

[zenith kayak]

Up to Reaper ||I'm pretty sure splitting for a third core would just leave him with 1 half core of the madra type that wasn't split, and two quarter cores of the other original core's flavour. They wouldn't need to go through another Soulfire forging (or even be capable of it beyond what was left).||

||Further more, while I definitely can't source it, I'm under the impression that splitting a core is strictly a spiritual injury, and would normally make you weaker (beyond just the halving) in the short run, which is a big no-no in a dog-eat-dog world||

[zenith kayak]

Up to Reaper ||I mean, IIRC he's also just generally the same caliber of prodigy as the rest of the cast. He got to Archlord in time to get smacked down by the Weeping Dragon and still be young enough to (begrudgingly) be allowed to compete in the Uncrowned Tournament.||

[lilac vault]

That is a good point

I didn't think of that

[thick bay]

||If I remember right, Lindon didn't figure it out, it was a in a scroll or manuscript that he read, it was one of the only ones that he could use because he still was pure.

The guy who came up with it only used it to stop stop getting his core from getting hit, but it worked.||

[lilac vault]

||Well yeah it was on a scroll I know that||

||But the scroll was IN Sacred Valley||

||So I assume the person who made it was also from there||

[proud oar]

I still have a headcanon that (Skysworn) ||the guy who used the Empty Palm had a mostly-or-entirely-pure core, and left the mostly-pure Remnant that Fisher Gesha used to make Lindon’s arm||

[zenith kayak]

Up to Reaper ||The other big reason why people don't split their cores is because it's twice the sourcing work for half the peak potential (per core) and a bit of utility.||

[opal wadi]

||His path basically works like if you could write up computer programming in the air and it afected the enviroment, he can do a lot bust mostly uses it to make himself heavier, faster, to increase force, etc but he has to write several runes in the air constantly to make that work||

[zenith kayak]

||And yeah, in general Lindon's build is a "this is a neat idea" build, and typically people prefer something a little more tried and tested when there are lifelong repercussions.||

[lilac vault]

||Elantrian Ziel||

[lilac vault]

I suppose that makes sense

[opal wadi]

Everyone in the main cast has that dawg in them

[lilac vault]

Another part of it is that ||we haven't followed Ziel for most of his journey. He already followed his path, he just needed purification, encouragement, and resources to bring himself back up to where he was to try again|| Up to Dreadgod

||Eithan is the same way but he's the mentor, and he's had ample chance to demonstrate how busted he is even beyond how we just expect him to be strong because he's the mentor||

[thick bay]

Dreadgod ||I honestly am more excited with people trying twin stars with two madra that isn't pure. Like one person has fire and a separate water path, but combine it to make a steam one. In this way, the person doesn't have two paths, they kind of have three.||

[lilac vault]

||Water Path and Electricity Path, just become a complete zoner||

[golden void]

Cradle All ||Does Lindon manage to use both cores at once, even at Archlord? He's always talking about switching between them||

||Because your channels can only handle one type at a time||

[humble bluff]

Cradle All ||I seem to remember exactly one instance where he uses both cores, in waybound, I think during the dragon fight? Is that what he did when he pushed its mouth up?||

[opal wadi]

Waybound
||He uses both cores on his super enforcer technique where he uses like every single thing in his body to push the Weeping Dragon up and uses the command Burn||

[humble bluff]

||But like, it's not something he keeps doing, I don't think it would be a standard part of your build||

[golden void]

||Was it simultaneous, or really fast switching?||

[thick bay]

||Not yet. This would be like the third evolution of the cores. ||

[humble bluff]

||It was concurrent||

[safe knoll]

Waybound all ||It was the first and only time he actually used both cores at the same time ||

[safe knoll]

Waybound ch 18||None of Lindon’s techniques were good enough or fast enough here. He needed a new one. [I don’t like this,] Dross said. [But it should work.] Help me with it. Lindon drew madra from both his cores. He was so careful not to do so that it was second nature at this point; he barely thought about it anymore. The two types of madra fought each other, but he forced them into place.||

[inner loom]

New content!
Uncrowned || https://youtu.be/HRIIh4UB0kE?si=e6pPCBRjenmzWs5D ||
Reaper || https://youtu.be/F-UmF5iaPck?si=NqLQ0C5HVV0rRyjA ||

[sharp umbra]

I'm still going through Unsouled! though slowly, reached 50% today, Unsouled ||I'm at the part were Suriel is taking Lindon through various other... places? (am not sure if it's other worlds or other parts of his or both, I'll find out soon enough)||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 5 ||Future generations of people enter the Labyrinth seeking to claim it as their own
Their first obstacle: The Sage of Twin Stars. His feelings resound as they sit on the throne, measuring but one solitary metric by which to gain his approval:
How many points do you have?||

Dreadgod 5 ||btw, I think Orthos and Ziel are gonna become Heralds and Mercy is gonna become a Sage. Can Blue advance that far? She probably can. If she can, I think she'll also be a Sage.||

||Actually. Maybe Ziel becomes a Sage and Mercy becomes a Herald. Ziel said he always thought of himself as a Herald, but maybe he could get an Icon first, and the Akura clan already has a direct bloodline Sage, and they just lost their Herald||

[robust estuary]

||Wow, Fury sounds so much more like Goku in the audiobooks than I would have expected. In my head, he always sounded closer to like, Ganondorf, or something||

[opal wadi]

||Travis does it super nonchalant and funny, he's got that older shonen protag zing going on||

[spice socket]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-goku-dbz-laugh-ugly-goku-gif-12167817

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod general ||Am I supposed to know what is depicted on the cover of Dreadgod? I assume Reaper is either Ozriel's sphere or the Void Icon, but idk what Dreadgod is||

[golden void]

||It is something you know of, but IDK if you would recognise it||

[lilac vault]

Mmk

Am I right about Reaper's?

[fresh pivot]

the urge to is strong

[lilac vault]

[fresh pivot]

wait you're in dreadgod

yes, you were right

[opal wadi]

||It is a white halo, that's the clue||

[thick bay]

Even more?

[lilac vault]

||Ohhhh it's the Silent King's halo||

||Or the halo on Mount Samara||

||But probably the former||

[lilac vault]

||About it being Ozriel's marble?||

[lilac vault]

Damn (Dreadgod 8)

[spice socket]

Mhmhmhmhmmhm

[safe knoll]

heavens above, heat is going to love/hate the new wintersteel chapter

Wintersteel all, new chapter pdf ||https://www.willwight.com/uploads/9/0/7/1/9071768/wintersteel_bonus.pdf||

and audio
https://youtu.be/6sPW-XcK9sA?si=JLh7NHzARcJe8FOO

[robust estuary]

Oh now that's an ominous thing to say...

[safe knoll]

wintersteel all ||it's focused on ruby||

[robust estuary]

There were only so many options

Anyways, walk home finished, reading now

||Ruby ily so much 😭||

[violet apex]

Cradle all (Uncrowned spoiler scene) ||this is one of the bonus scenes I wanted the most. I’ve been wondering how Eithan really felt about Penance since Reaper. Also feel like I have a better feel for why Eithan created it and why he named it Penance, which is nice.||

[pseudo sedge]

Captain 32 ||Kaiju battle! (Behemoth vs Raion's Divine Titan)||

[sharp umbra]

Unsouled 14 ||Lindon is so sleazy, he's gonna learn things and become powerful and stop being this sleazy 😩 ||

I think its possible I'll finish today

[inner loom]

Threshold || Will's original plan for Ziel is cursed lmao. Makes his story in Threshold extra funny ||

[sharp umbra]

okay, imma lock in, let's see if I can finish in my break

I have mochi and book and cinnamon coffee 😌

Unsouled 15 ||gasp who could have thought someone would take his fruit and pills?||

[opal wadi]

||My sweet little rat boy, kicked like a dog.||

[safe knoll]

that is hilarious in hindsight lmao

[sharp umbra]

Unsouled 17 ||first blood? ||

||what size are the banners he's using? Idk if the book said it and I missed or what but i keep imagining different things||

[maiden tangle]

||As big as they need to be lol||

[zenith kayak]

||I don't know if the books give a specific size, but small enough to fit in his bag.||

[sharp umbra]

This is what prompted me to ask

||I like Yerin so far||

||Yep, really liking her||

[dreamy sorrel]

Unsouled 17: ||Second best character you've met||

[sharp umbra]

||as long as the best isn't Lindon (don't tell me who it is unless it is him, i don't want to know who is relevant)||

||Well, i'd accept Suriel 🤔 ||

[opal wadi]

||In this house we love Yerin||

[sharp umbra]

||I am findind characters more interesting in the second half than the first, only the Fox Elder whatever was his name was interesting in the first half, well and Suriel ofc||

I've 20p left Nick 🤨

[dreamy sorrel]

||Lindon isn't the best character you've met||

||It's Lindon's dad Wei Shi Jaran /s||

[sharp umbra]

I know this, i was only going to judge you if you said that

[lilac vault]

[sharp umbra]

Unsouled 20 ||oh, I didn't think he'd split his core so soon ||

||also I did like Whitehall, I didn't imagine there was a way in which they could have actually made a deal but shame he's dead||

Well @opal wadi I'm done, and I will read book 2 eventually, it certainly got interesting, but now I feel only I have done my part of the bargain

sighs dramatically

[opal wadi]

I'm working on it, captain 🫡

[opal wadi]

||Have you read the bloopers?||

[gritty socket]

||there werent bloopers on release. I think some have spoilers bc they came from the kickstarter?||

[sharp umbra]

the what?

[gritty socket]

The end of books have gag deleted scenes called bloopers

But not unsouled it started happening later

Some were retroactively written bc of a kickstarter but i dont recall if you read those on a first readthrough

[sharp umbra]

oh hmm, lemme check, it has some of the next book so i stopped right at the epilogue

[gritty socket]

If it is not in your edition dont worry about

[sharp umbra]

yeah not there

[tawny kiln]

I really did almost stop reading the series after unsouled

I'm glad I continued on the whim I had, because I liked the books better basically immediately on starting book 2

[gritty socket]

I think unsouled has a lot of problems that get dealt with as the series goes on

[zenith kayak]

Here's the official link to unsouled bloopers
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13TjedB7AYUrInxwC2tRqtojKfi7U2ETL/view?usp=share_link

[gritty socket]

I think will was a young enough writer he just straight up got better

[zenith kayak]

One of them features someone you haven't met yet though...

[golden void]

Up to book 2/3 cradle was his funny side series.
And then it turned out to be massively more popular than anything else he was doing

[sharp umbra]

I don't feel a need to stop reading, i also don't feel a need to read book 2 ASAP but that's also just how I usually read where I don't go through entire series but alternate and the reason why I'm reading like 20 series at once

so book 2 is going into the tbr atm

[zenith kayak]

Yeah, he bit off more than he could chew with his "main" series. It looks like it's infested with White Sand brain worms, right now he's working on a rewrite

[gritty socket]

This is def an easy series to put down and pick up

[sharp umbra]

they all are to me, tbh

sometimes I feel like going to book 2 ASAP but this is based on my mood and not on the series

I can't pinpoint anything that's bad in Unsouled but it also it is missing stuff I guess, like it could just simply be more, or something like that

[safe knoll]

that's more or less the reasoning I use for starting almost all rereads at book 3

[zenith kayak]

That's very valid, while the first two books are definitely readable, I feel like WW doesn't really find the sauce until 3

[safe knoll]

I obviously like the first two, but the series gets so incredibly better in Blackflame

though better is the wrong word

all the pieces come together

[zenith kayak]

He finds the sauce

The problem with all the metaphors I have for improvement is that they imply the thing was bad in the first place

And sometimes that just isn't the case

[cloud zinc]

OH SHOOT USHA ON CRADLE

[hollow ferry]

I honestly still really liked books 1 and 2

Book 4 is my least favorite probably on first read

[cloud zinc]

I agree with that

1 & 4 are my least favorite overall and the rest of the series is really good

[opal wadi]

I really liked Unsouled and I think it's one of my favorites, not because it's better than the others but because it's just got me hooked the first time I read it, I have a lot of appreciation for it

anyways
@sharp umbra I will try to complete my end of the bargain as soon as possible and await patiently for you to start book 2

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 9 ||I like how they called Orthos the last of the Black Dragon remnants.... Other than that one dude the Gold Dragons has prisoner, and this other dude locked ina time stasis bubble||

[robust estuary]

||tbf, the first dude was a prisoner of the Gold Dragons kept away from his home (Who were enemies of the Blackflame Empire when they were in control of the area, iirc, and maybe even the Black Dragons before them), and the second was locked in a time stasis bubble||

[final quest]

Dreadgod 9 || It's worth noting that Orthos is not the last black dragon, however he is the last heir to the Path of Black Flame within the Blackflame Empire. Naian is specifically a prisoner of war, presumably; they don't really explain how they got him and how he ended up in the Black Dragon's grasp, though, it could check out if some of the Blackflame family had been captured and lived in the Gold Dragons territory as pets or something. ||

[robust estuary]

This time I get to link the new bonus scene! (Bloodline)
||https://youtu.be/H7TDS7J04Dw ||

[lilac vault]

Oh damn it's tomorrow

[robust estuary]

Bloodline ||https://youtu.be/bj0WotGJ_Eg ||

And the bloopers

[proud oar]

What's tomorrow?

[proud oar]

Yoooooooo reading these was great. I should listen to them for a second round

[robust estuary]

Bloodline new bloopers ||Helicopters...||

[lilac vault]

Animatic I think

[proud oar]

Yoooooooooo

The animatic was good, glad the public gets to see it so soon

[maiden tangle]

https://youtu.be/JJMuJCLsYeQ

It's here

[pseudo sedge]

oooh I didn't realize it was 2 hours; I was thinking it was more like a pilot

[zenith kayak]

It's adapting Unsouled and Soulsmith

[hollow ferry]

Oh wow I didn’t know there was a fully animated concept trailer.

Glad I didn’t watch it until after I read the series, but it looks so good?

Spoilering because thumbnail spoils something for book 3
|| https://youtu.be/9FEayZdH-nk?si=DeXtzC675i6nBD40 ||

[gritty socket]

Any reviews yet

[hollow ferry]

Funny how I recorded the stream of it on discord a while back and still haven’t finished it. Now I get better quality whenever I get back around to finishing it at least, which is neat

[hollow ferry]

Of the animatic?

[gritty socket]

Yes

[hollow ferry]

No idea. I enjoyed what I watched of it and it was a screen recording of a discord stream (First 46 minutes or so it seems).

My gf watched the first 10 minutes or so with me at the time and she found it interesting enough to give the books a try. Not sure what that tells you, but it’s what I’ve got haha

[hollow ferry]

Finished up book 1 of the animatic.

Pacing is a bit quick at times/it could benefit from a bit more space to breathe. And some dialogue delivery is a bit rough/cringe. But fun overall.

[lilac vault]

Oh hey, (Dreadgod 9) ||they actually explained why they didn't wipe everyone's memories, in a throwaway line. It would cause more problems than it would fix.||

[fresh pivot]

that animatic is soooo good

[opal wadi]

I liked the animatic but there's one scene that I just don't like, I know why it was changed but the change just doesn't sit right with me

Unsouled
||Lindon's first kill, against Ma Deret, I know they had to basically erase him from the plot but they replaced it by Lindon just flashing Suriel's marble at someone and stabbing them? It just feels... awkward, and it strips the moment of a lot of the weight it had in the original||

[robust estuary]

Unsouled ||I would have sworn the complaint was gonna be that they took out him beating up kids (I have not watched it yet)||

[zenith kayak]

||Nah, Will knows that suckerpunching toddlers is crucial to Lindon's story.||

[proud oar]

All three of ||Lindon's kills in this are changed from their original meaning.

• Ma Deret, as you said - no boundary flags yet
• Whitehall, no "not leaving Yerin" (he was proposing looting, which Lindon would probs have gone for)
• Kral, no "you can't even kill an Iron lol." (Lindon went and killed him deliberately rather than being forced into it)||

Upon rewatching I'm warming up to the changes, but I still would have liked the book's adaptation. But the first two were necessitated because ||Lindon wasn't a student of the school, so he wouldn't have the boundary flags or Whitehall's begrudging respect||

[hollow ferry]

Animatic - I think that tonally it crosses a bit into marvel territory at times with the quips and comedic beats. Particularly so in the second half of unsouled where things also feel a bit rushed imo.

Have yet to watch book 2 animatic

[proud oar]

I find that it has a very similar tone in the book, but it feels different in the book. I agree that the animatic felt yet more Westernized, more Marvel-ized, than the book did.

[opal wadi]

It also didn't include one of the powerlevel feats I love to mention to mess with people

Soulsmith ||when Yerin intercepts the Jai striker technique that's a beam of light and deflects it, that's lightspeeds baby||

This brings a question I haven't asked yet
Mechanics general
||are Light paths with Light striker techniques considered Light Speed? it wouldn't make sense for them to move slower since they're light, and we see feats in later books that make almost everyon bare minimum massively faster than light in reaction times/thinking speeds etc||

Waybound
||There's entire conversations and exchanges of techniques that take fractions of a second in Waybound I noticed recently, like when Malice Shen and Northstrider fight Lindon they step out of the portal and have a very long fight in what feels like minutes, but it only takes a few seconds because the Sages that were walking right behind them arrive at the end of the fight while they crossed the portal almost at the same time||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 10 ||Having a chapter entirely in Red Faith's POV is real neat||

[opal wadi]

||Dreadgod or the book that made me shut up love Red Faith ||

[lilac vault]

||LMAO RED FAITH JUST TOLD YERIN THE SECRET OF THE DREADGODS CUZ HE ASSUMED SHE KNEW?!||

||Oh no, everyone Red Faith swore to is DEAD lmao||

||He could literally tell everyone if he wanted||

[safe knoll]

mechanics general ||the books always make a distinction between real things and madra that looks like them. so light-aspected madra ≠ light ||

[opal wadi]

||Yeah but the people don't know that, I can say Yerin blitzes Goku||

||She ostensibly does, after the moonlight bridge||

[safe knoll]

my closest encounter with dbz was me listening to the remix of the ultra instinct track

[pseudo sedge]

Captain bloopers ||lolololol hi Lindon||

[hollow ferry]

I think my closest encounter was watching people play a DBZ fighter at a local game studio that was hosting global game jam pre-covid.

I just always thought the art was ugly growing up so I never checked it out. Still don’t like the art style at all

[long gorge]

2 hour Crade Anamatic!

[long gorge]

Animatic ||"Let Us Sting, Let Us sting the children"||

[acoustic echo]

Cradle all ||A question I had while watching the animatic—is Lindon’s non-black flame core pure, or is it hunger madra?||

Also ||Eithen is perfect||

[safe knoll]

Cradle all ||It's pure. His Dreadgod hand "tinged" the pure madra he channeled through it with a bit of hunger, though. Lindon uses it like that when creating hunger echoes from the labyrinth ||

[acoustic echo]

||So madra is pure but can come out hunger through arm||

[safe knoll]

||only a bit of hunger, but yes. if it fully changed aspects his techniques would've stopped working ||

[fresh pivot]

||it's technically not completely pure||

Wintersteel ||it used to be pure until Lindon entered into a contract with Little Blue - after this, his pure core was "typed" into little blue's version of weird watery-pure madra||

cradle all ||I don't think Lindon has hunger in either of his cores; hunger is however a weird type, and the fact that Lindon never ascended as a normal monarch (but rather, he did the dradgod ascension), and the fact that at least his arm is a dreadbeast arm, I'd guess hunger is more... a third type that he's seeped in but that isn't directly present in either of his cores||

[safe knoll]

all/wintersteel ||it's still pure, just a different lesser aspect of pure. THere was that "lesser aspects of pure madra by scriptlord" scroll/dream tablet, and cleansing is one of those. Lindon could've developed it in his own core if he had the time and the patience. Similarly to how Eithan's Hollow King madra emphasizes different lesser aspects of pure madra while still being pure||

[fresh pivot]

no I know

||but the reason I'm calling it weird is because Little Blue was always a "river" sylph, and because that watery aspect is specifically thematically relevant, as that's what makes Lindon have a fire-water duality||

[safe knoll]

||and if I put on my cosmere mechanics pedantry hat on, I could say that no one has pure madra in their core anymore than anyone has pure fire madra in their core. the act of putting/cycling it in a core makes it you-alligned. so every fire artist, even on the same path, has a slightly different madra. that's part of what makes soulsmithing such a difficult discipline under regular circumstances ||

[fresh pivot]

I have things to say here, but I like

[fresh pivot]

okay, I was gonna say, Cradle all ||I think Pure Madra is kinda basically Way Madra, actually||

||the aspects of it that are described likely map to the seven properties of the Way, as decribed by Northstrider||

[lilac vault]

This ain't Wintersteel lmao

[fresh pivot]

I didn't intend that to be, but I see how that could read that way

added an extra tag

[lilac vault]

Yeah it's cuz your last tag was Wintersteel and then you didn't have another after

[thick bay]

🫨

[pseudo sedge]

Engineer 2 ||I love that Raion has holographic fireworks when he introduces himself||

Engineer 4 ||Hmmm, I wondered if each book would be first person of the titular crew member, but we're in Varic's pov here||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 11 ||I GOT MY LOOPHOLE ANYWAY!||

||CHARITY DIDN'T KNOW THE SECRET||

[safe knoll]

dg 11 ||Malice proves the accuracy of her name yet again||

[thick bay]

||Just think how mean she can be to her daughter, not thinking she can't hit monarch. :(||

[lilac vault]

||It's not that she didn't think Charity couldn't hit Monarch||

||It's mostly because Charity didn't WANT to be Monarch, so she never actually tried.||

||Still real mean of Malice tho||

[pseudo sedge]

Engineer 9 ||lololol is Horizon dressing Varic up as Tuxedo Mask for his disguise||

[maiden tangle]

||Almost certainly intentional||

[spice socket]

Will weeb

[thick bay]

||Yeah. I also was getting persona vibes. ||

[maiden tangle]

Yeah, based on the same archetype

[robust estuary]

Engineer 9 ||My mind always went to Pandora/Arkana from Yugioh, but with a mask based on that one mask enemy from SMB2||

[thick bay]

True.

[pseudo sedge]

Oh yeah, ||like P5 Arsene?||

[lilac vault]

Watching the animatic is funny

It's hilarious watching the detail of the characters change with every frame

[lilac vault]

||It is impressive how Li Markuth thinks he can take the Dreadgods. Almost comical. That said, I still don't know how advanced he is|| up to Dreadgod

||That said, he is confident enough that he might actually be Monarch or higher||

||It shows Jai Chen's little dragon thing!||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 13 ||"The Riverseed caught her breath a moment longer. Then she gave a vigorous chime and pushed both fists into the air.
Victory."||

||VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYY||

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-subaru-victory-re-zero-gif-24289325

[pseudo sedge]

Unsouled animatic, Cradle all ||v funny when Lindon's mom says "it is the duty of the strong to protect the weak" and also wow they nailed Jaran looking like a jerk||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 14 ||STAY DOWN REDMOON, JESUS CHRIST||

||ALSO THE SILENT KING CAN AFFECT A MASSIVE AREA, GOOD LORD||

GAAAAH WHY DID I HAVE TO READ BEFORE WORK

I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE WAITED

||We haven't seen hide nor hair of the Dragon, where's he at||

[pseudo sedge]

animatic, cradle all || I cannot take the Sacred Valley seriously anymore when Jaran's like, "I could've been Jade with this fruit" and Kelsa musing on being able to make it to Iron.||

[pseudo sedge]

||punch those kids Lindon; they deserve it||

[lilac vault]

||Honestly, Animatic feels like Jaran is a lot less of an asshole||

[pseudo sedge]

oh, right, I guess I could say safe for neon in my comments too because most of my comments are just post-unsouled (and really through bloodline) so far

[lilac vault]

I figured they would be, I couldn't imagine what could be in the Animatic that's a spoiler to me at this point, especially three separate things lol

Unless it turns out that. God damn Fisher Gesha is the main villain and they foreshadow that hard

Somehow I doubt that

(Cradle up to Dreadgod) ||Li Markuth comes back and he's the final boss and I am proven wrong for my mockery of him|| lmao

||Seriously though what was Markuth's plan, rocking up to literally one of the most heavily defended planets in the universe, thinking the Judges wouldn't notice. Why did he go "First Sacred Valley, then the WORLD!" as if he didn't have to get through seven Monarchs (IDC how strong he is, I do not believe he can match seven Monarchs) , as if Sacred Valley wasn't absolutely pathetic in comparison to everything else|| Up to Dreadgod

[spice socket]

Already starting with traumatizing a child, Will stays consistent

[safe knoll]

||Would you be surprised if I told you Waybound has some 💅 tea 💅 on Li Markuth?||

[robust estuary]

Dreadgod ||I'll also note that if you go back and reread his dialogue (and/or the bonus scene that shows that sequence from his pov), he notes that he also made sure to start from Sacred Valley in part because its his home town from his home planet, which he believed would act as a decent defense if he did get caught. Obviously it didn't work, but he probably did have some reason to believe it||

[lilac vault]

:shock:

This isn't too surprising actually

[lilac vault]

LMAO (Dreadgod 15(

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 16 ||How did Red Faith's group break the Silent King's control?||

||"Now, nothing concealed the bodies of the Silent King thralls who had tried to attack her while she advanced. They had posed a threat to her while she was in the middle of advancement.
But not when she has finished. Then, they faced her new purpose.
To kill monsters."||

PEAK

||And thus ends Red Faith.||

Dreadgod 16 ||Why is Jai Chen also not affected by the Silent King?||

||It is very fun how Dross seemingly simulated this entire battle, has Lindon prepare accordingly, and then just left a recording lmao||

Oh also I'm so stupid

||Lindon is Steris coded lmao|| Dreadgod 16 + Era 2

[dreamy sorrel]

Era 2/Dreadgod 16: ||I would argue Lindon doesn't prepare for every eventuality, but the most likely ones, and as he finds new ones prepare for those. Steris on the other hand prepare for everything, no matter how unlikely. Given enough time, Lindon would reach that level, but Steris does it much faster. Granted, Lindon can also punch most of his problems away||

[lilac vault]

||To be fair, Lindon also has a mind spirit that can tell him the most likely eventualities||

||But like his fussing over everyone and being like "You have my 15th contingency prepared, right?" is super Steris||

[dreamy sorrel]

1000%

[opal wadi]

||Out of all the Lord reveleations, I think "To Kill Monsters." may be my top 1, it just... it clicks so well, short and sweet, to the point. Yerin was a terrified little girl, the monsters killed everyone she loved, but she became strong enough to fight back, she became strong enough to Kill Monsters.||

[dreamy sorrel]

Bloodline all: ||"We will never stop" has a special place in my heart. It's so good in the book and so applicable IRL||

[lilac vault]

That one is the peakest

Guys tell me something

I'm curious

||Eithan's Overlord revelation|| Up to Dreadgod

Can you explain that to me, or at least tell em if it's explained somewhere

[dreamy sorrel]

||I... See||

[lilac vault]

||Why does he need to do his revelation again||

I know what it is but why

||He was alone for that||

||So why did he have to do the revelation to become an "Overlord"||

||Even though he's already higher than that||

||Is it related to him sealing his power? I assume it is, but how does that work||

[dreamy sorrel]

Up to Dreadgod: ||Keep in mind where he did it. Surrounded by other Areliuses. Someone would have noticed if one moment he was an Underlord and the next he just jumped up in power to Overlord
I'd also assume it has something to do with the veil he had. Sure he could have removed some of the restrictions to advance, but that didn't seem easy or likely to go unnoticed||

[lilac vault]

Also another question, ||do we ever learn his Underlord and Archlord Revelations? Both past and present, if they're different? I assume his Archlord revelation in the present would be to bring Lindon and Yerin with him to help save worlds, but I imagine it would be different as Ozmanthus||

[robust estuary]

||Having your power stripped down below what you're actually at is also something that's possible even just within Cradle (Recall Malice placing Mercy under a seal that brought her down to Gold after she had advanced to Underlord), so with something as powerful as that cloak, and his already pretty ridiculous capabilities and resources, de-advancing himself that far isn't a huge stretch||

[dreamy sorrel]

Up to Dreadgod: ||He came to the world as an Underlord this time so we never learned his revelation. His Archlord revelation would definitely be different. It's probably similar, but distinct. Eithan is Ozmanthus, just with a few millenia of growth||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah it is, but she didn't have to do her Revelation again. Ziel didn't either||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah I'm just wondering if we ever see them. I think his Overlord revelation would be significantly different after his time as Ozriel compared to before. Ozmanthus would have been less concerned with the fate of all the worlds as he is in modern day||

[robust estuary]

||Mercy didn't have to do her revalation again because she didn't naturally reach Underlord again, she had the restrictions on her lifted because she lost the bet. Ziel didn't have to repeat his revalations because he wasn't restricted, he was given spiritual damage that made him as weak as an Underlord||

[lilac vault]

Btw finally got Threshold and Waybound. Two things to note:

1. WAYBOUND WENT BACK TO THE SMALLER FONT THAT WINTERSTEEL HAD LMAO
2. I checked the names of the short stories in Thereshold and want so badly to read this one but I know I can't

[dreamy sorrel]

Have you finished Dreadgod?

[safe knoll]

dg 16(?) ||best sage imo||

[lilac vault]

No

I just like checking the page count of new books

And I happened to see that the font was smaller

I naturally read nothing

[lilac vault]

||Wow I can't believe he likes Red Faith more than Lindon||

Dreadgod 16 ||JAI LONG IS DEAD???? NO GOD DAMN WAY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FOR A SECOND, THIS IS AN ILLUSION||

||Kelsa's protection thing broke, she's in the Silent King's illusion for sure||

Dreadgod 16 ||OH MY GOD IS THAT EKERI'S REMNANT?! DID WE FINALLY REMEMBER HER?!||

[proud oar]

DG 16 or perhaps DG all #993647773482225734 message

Depends on how much denial you’re in

[lilac vault]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THAT IS EXCEPTIONAL

||I genuinely thought we just forgot about her||

[lilac vault]

I can't enter whatever channel that is

[safe knoll]

up to dg ||the way Eithan (and Will in WoG) spoke about it, the veil sort of created a vessel for him to inhabit. That body was created at Underlord stage and, while the origin shroud was in place, behaved as it would for any Cradle native. So it wasn't like he was peeling off layers of his veil when advancing, he was advancing as if for the first time||

[lilac vault]

Ahhh I see

[safe knoll]

it's an archived willverse purgatory channel from before forums were a thing. you need a delver role

[lilac vault]

LMAOOOOOO (Dreadgod 16)

[proud oar]

It’s in books-archive, you’d have to “Channels & Roles” at the top of the channels, and then add it in the “all channels” tab. I’ll just copy the message text:

[safe knoll]

from id:customize

[proud oar]

DG 16 || Day 1 post-read of me still being bummed about Jai Long||

Oh I’ve had Delver for so long that I forgot about it existing.

[lilac vault]

I grabbed it

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 17 ||"Consume," the Void Sage said.||

||DROSS IS BACK BABY||

[dreamy sorrel]

... that's the same image you posted earlier

[lilac vault]

Oh wtf

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S SO AWESOME

There we go

[dreamy sorrel]

Travis does this scene justice

[lilac vault]

||THE MONARCHS KILLED EMRISS TO KEEP HER FROM SPILLING THE SECRET OF THE DREADGODS||

||The Silent King called for more Dreadgods.
It ran into the first one an inch from his throat. And there the call stopped.||
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THIS SERIES IS SO AWESOME

Ehehehehahahahahahahahaha (Dreadgod 18)

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

Oh my god

I just realized

GUYS

GUYS I SWEAR TO GOD

THIS WAS A JOKE

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT OF ALL THE STUPID JOKES I MADE, THAT ONE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CORRECT

||MY LOGIC WASN'T EVEN RIGHT! LINDON ISN'T UNCROWNED, HE'S NOT THE REAPER, HOW WAS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS CORRECT||

Dreadgod 18 ||LMAO LARIAN IS IN ON IT, THAT MEANS THE WHOLE EIGHT MAN EMPIRE IS TOO||

||Somehow I felt like she was too casual to truly be with the other Monarchs||

||I dunno why, but I feel like several of the Monarchs are gonna be dead by the end of the series. Shen is definitely gonna be dead, that much is obvious. But I also think more could die as well. My biggest thoughts are Northstrider and Emriss. Malice is a maybe, but I doubt it because I bet one of Mercy's big climactic moments will be convincing her mother to let the world go. I doubt Sha Miara or the Eight Man Empire will die, mostly because we don't see them very much so their deaths would have a lot less weight. Especially the Empire.||

[humble bluff]

It's peak

[lilac vault]

It's SO peak

This is the peakest it's been since ||Fury advanced to Monarch||

[lilac vault]

||OH HELLO TIBERIAN|| Dreadgod 18

||I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT YOU||

||LITTLE BLUE WANTS A HUG FROM DROSS||

||She's so cute||

[lilac vault]

I lied

This is the peakest it's been since ||Ozriel revealed himself||

[spice socket]

House of Blades 2 || I quite like you Lia with magic from Lirial hiding in the village of Mirrial ||

[spice socket]

In true wight fashion I have no idea what’s going on but you know it’s a fun ride

Fun might be a weird way to describe the opening chapters of this book. But I’ll stick with that

[spice socket]

House of blades 3 || is everyone going to be a super hero but Simon and that butcher guy ||

|| Alan gets to be hot and shoot laser beams. Smh||

House of Blades 4 || man. Cormac sucks.||

HOB 4 || Simon I think we should just drop the sword for good buddy. I’m sorry||

[safe knoll]

you can smell that it's his first published book

still entertaining, though

and I still hold to the opinion that Traveler's Gate has one of the best magic systems in fantasy.

[spice socket]

HOB 4 || Simon. Buddy.||

|| I know we’ve got history. Your parents were murdered and turned insane and then more successfully murdered. And you had the Batman thing. And you had a bit of a meet cute with a ….princess? Heiress idk. Noble hottie.||

|| but this is Alan’s book now. and I’m on his side until he dies.||

I have no idea how this magic works yet but I am intrigued by the warlockyness of it

The book is fun so far

I see the seeds of greatness

But that does not make the seeds themselves bad

HOB and cradle general || like, cradle knew immediately how to make Lindon both pathetic but likable and sympathetic. Simon is just kind of a nerd whose parents are dead. ||

|| he hated Alan cause he’s cool and “talks like he’s telling a story” Simon pal that’s how conversations work.||

[safe knoll]

i really want to ask a question, but i don't want to spoil even this stupid little moment

[spice socket]

I am like halfway thru chapter 4

[safe knoll]

what's going on atm? I don't remember what happens in HoB by chapters, except ||Simon's parents get murked in ch1, and the next few is the sequence where king's men attack the village for the sacrifices||

[spice socket]

HOB 4 || Alan just killed that snake cool guy style and is using his sick shardblade lightsaber saidin sword beam saber to fight Cormac||

If will ever saw that I’d hope he’d know I make those jokes with love.

The willverse as a concept is in my top 5 fantasy series

[safe knoll]

a bit after that whole thing will be what I consider the silliest moment in the book. then it will get much more interesting, fast

[spice socket]

Sick

HOB General || the book started with Alan being all school bully but in true meet the Robinsons fashion he’s apparently been under the impression he’s Simon’s best friend the whole time.||

https://tenor.com/view/hate-gif-3546531385951467460

[safe knoll]

i looked it up, and the silliest moment happens in the beginning of chapter 6

hob 6 early ||I don't think Will intended for me to question Simon's mental faculties when he decides to practice the sword by randomly swinging it ||

[spice socket]

I look forward to reacting

[safe knoll]

it's not big or anything, just makes me go on every read

[thick bay]

||I ended up guessing this pretty early somehow. ||

[thick bay]

How wasn't it Elder Empire? 😂

[thick bay]

TG ALL ||His mother doesn't die at the start, she dies later I believe?||

[safe knoll]

||a Damascan traveller kills her when raiding the village for sacrifices, that's around chapters 3 and 4.||

so you're right!

[thick bay]

Ah yes.

[hollow ferry]

Cradle up to Dreadgod 18 or so when you mention this again || Huh, I never thought about this. But he doesn’t become uncrowned himself. I guess he gets a Wintersteel badge but that feels like a stretch. Nor does this work for bloodline or reaper 🤔 ||

[hollow ferry]

Oh lol you address what I mention here

[lilac vault]

Yeah I realized it wasn't right eventually

I said this in Skysworn where it was more plausible

But honestly even in Ghostwater it was proven wrong

||Because Dross technically got the Ghostwater, not Lindon||

[hollow ferry]

True

[zenith kayak]

||IIRC at one point there was a plan for Lindon to develop a Bloodline ability in Bloodline, but it got dropped||

[lilac vault]

Ahhh

Yeah I thought that name was weird

||Because bloodlines were never really relevant. I think at the time I handwaved it as being Eithan, even though he didn't do anything particularly notable with his Bloodline ability that book that he hasn't already done||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 19 ||Honestly, I could very easily see Lindon becoming technically a Vroshir in the eyes of the Abidan blat some point. Doubtful it happens by the end of the series but sometime in the future. Assuming Eithan's reforms don't go through, I think Lindon would a hundred percent turn against the Abidan. He obviously wouldn't side with the Vroshir, since he wouldn't like them either, but Lindon would totally fight against them for the same reasons as the Vroshir. He just wouldn't try to actively destroy planets in the process.||

||It would be very much a continuation of what he's doing on Cradle right now, rebelling against the authority figures, even his ostensible allies, for the greater good, because he thinks they're doing wrong and he wants to force them to correct it||

||I think this won't happen because I'd be surprised if Eithan's reforms didn't go through, but if they didn't for whatever reason, Vroshir Lindon is absolutely a strong possibility||

||Lindon would HATE Makiel lmao||

You absolute WEASEL (Dreadgod 20)

GOD ||MALICE IS SUCH A RAT CREATURE||

Dreadgod 20 ||FISHER GESHA IS FINALLY BACK||

Honestly I'm kinda surprised none of the books are titled Monarch

||JAI LONG ACTUALLY DIED, I DON'T BELIEVE IT||

[spice socket]

|| he coulda been the shadow to Lindons sonic. Rip||

Hob 4 || “not that he could make any difference” we get it Simon you suck stfu already.||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod 21 ||I wonder why Lindon is so worried about avoiding whether Yerin specifically wants to get the Everwood assignment. I get why he's worried about one specifically, because Emriss is working with them and the other Monarchs could possibly see that Emriss is in on it. But I am unsure why he cares about Yerin specifically, since none of the others know that Emriss is in on it so theoretically they should all be in the same boat||

||Maybe Lindon wants Yerin to go there because Emriss could help with Red Faith's Remnant? Lindon has a plan there so he can't actually tell her, but the plan requires Yerin to go to Emriss, so it makes me think Emriss is supposed to help her specifically in some way||

||I can't think of anything but Red Faith's Remnant. I can't imagine Emriss helping Yerin get an Icon by herself, unless it's with the help of Red Faith's Remnant. Because the icons that Yerin are most likely to get are Sword and probably Blood. Anything Yerin could do to get Sword, she's already learned from Min Shuei (and I also do think that Min would betray the Monarchs for Yerin's sake, though we still don't know what fallout resulted from Yerin taking in Ruby), and only Red Faith could help her with the Blood Icon||

||I thought the certain place that Yerin would go is Moongrave, to kidnap Mercy, because Yerin is the strongest of the team who can tell Mercy the truth and try and convince her to leave of her own accord, but then Lindon said it was in the Everwood so now I have no idea ||

[spice socket]

What an odd book

[spice socket]

I am not following these dates at all

[spice socket]

https://tenor.com/view/starwarskid-lol-yeah-awesome-wow-gif-8489620

[safe knoll]

i wouldn't even try, tbh

the only time they are noteworthy is in the last chapter of the book and the first one of the sequel, to see how wide the time gap is

[spice socket]

Word

[safe knoll]

and that's the sort of stuff you can ask here because we have ebooks and can look it up

even then, Will mostly spells it out in text

tl;dr — not important

[spice socket]

lol. Right on

[spice socket]

HOB General || uh. Why do they have dolls||

HOB 6 || man this book really likes to beat the hell out of Simon.||

HOB 6 || “And failing so far…that’s a good sign.”||

|| I like Kai||

[spice socket]

HOB 7 || fisher Gesha is that you?||

[safe knoll]

||grandmaster naraka and gesha have a similar vibe tbh, even beyond Travis using the same voice for both||

[spice socket]

What iteration does travelers gate take place in

Or is that not even a thing for these books

[jade notch]

Willverse all ||All his stories take place in the shared universe, and all of them, so far, take place in Sector 11||

[spice socket]

Willverse all || I just mean like. Horizon is fathom, cradle is. Cradle. lol. ||

[jade notch]

||Traveler's Gate is Amalgam||

[safe knoll]

Willverse all ||We even saw a tiny, less than a sentence long, glimpse of Amalgam in Cradle from Suriel's perspective||

[golden void]

Travellers gate all ||do we know why Valin made the Fangs so stupidly long?||

[proud oar]

Cool factor

[maiden tangle]

Willverse all ||possibly a result of being Awakened (in the Willverse way not the cosmere way)||

[safe knoll]

TG ALL/ Cradle all, nsf Thorn ||also might be Icon/Authority related. In a similar way to how Sword Sages shape their forger techniques like swords, making their attacks better conduct Sword Authority. ||

[spice socket]

HOB General || seriously what is with all the dolls||

[spice socket]

HOB 7 || I gotta say, I love Chaka.||

|| maybe it’s cause he’s mean to Simon.||

|| and he mastered bathing. Proud of you buddy. ||

HOB 7 || a skeleton?||

[zenith kayak]

TG All ||Because WW is a weeb and Valinhall is Bleach-coded||

[pseudo sedge]

Engineer 16 ||I can't take Lemon seriously, and I feel like she's a pastiche of references but not entirely sure what. Sneaking suspicion it's Lemomgrab from Adventure Time but I don't think that's quite it||

[violet apex]

||fairly certain it’s not that. I don’t think she’s referencing anything, she’s very much her own thing||

[thick bay]

||So they can rp as Sabrina.||

[spice socket]

HOb 8 || Simon’s got conjuring dolls and creatures in the black lagoon. And Alan’s got cute girls and golden retrievers||

The two sides of this book

|| this is Isekai as hell.||

Idk if I’ll continue this series. Which is probably a harsh judgment to make at chapter 8 but I’m not sure how much I’m enjoying it

[thick bay]

I personally did enjoy TG despite it's problems. Though if you didn't like TG, I don't advise you to go and read Elder Empire if you didn't like TG.

[spice socket]

Word

HOB 8 || I do like Ralya||

[maiden tangle]

It does get better

[spice socket]

|| I feel bad not liking Simon near as much as…pretty much anyone else||

[maiden tangle]

||Simon is definitely weaker than the rest of the cast. He is very much just a vehicle to explain the cool world he lives in||

That's what the short stories are for

[spice socket]

I don’t really mind the power level thing

He’s just kinda unlikable

[maiden tangle]

Yeah

Bland character, cool setting

[thick bay]

To me, a Sanderson fan, all Will Wight's books feel like short stories.

[spice socket]

exactly

after wheel of time and stormlight, cradles epic fantasy was fun sized

and like thats exactly how long those books should be

[maiden tangle]

some of them could stand to be a little shorter, even

[spice socket]

HOB 9 || simon, im not saying you know this. but im pretty sure lia is actually evil||

cradle humor TG general || im just saying, of the randomly "royal" themed cute girls i dont think mercy AND lia are both good guys||

TG jokes || ah yes, vallinhol is the weeb territory||

[thick bay]

TG All ||Do yall think that the dolls were actually people like the other wierd things in Valinhol?||

[spice socket]

baldree is like

truly he is one of the greats

he makes so much of these books come to life

HOB 10 || thank you denner, I also think Simon should stop being surprised when things start talking.||

[golden void]

||FYI, it's "Valinhall"||

[golden void]

||they're either ex people, or "Presence"s||

[spice socket]

dont worry simon i also suck at math

[spice socket]

HOB 11 || are you an overlord||

Low gold at most

HOB 12 || these kids confirm, all of wights protagonists become more likable when their undiagnosed autistic asses have to interact with children||

|| cant wait for Varric||

HOB 12 || "Lika, Andra please" oh no that is definitely a mimic||

bad vibes

red flags

[spice socket]

Unsouled all || this does however mean that the interaction that makes Lindon more likable is when he’s beating up 6 year olds…||

[maiden tangle]

Me watching the animatic with the unenlightened (friends) and explaining why ||the 2 minute child smackdown was vitally necessary for the plot||

[spice socket]

100%

HOB 13 || is Kai gonna die?! you cant leave me here with just simon!||

[spice socket]

|| calm down simon its an adult aged woman not a succubus||

[maiden tangle]

||Accurate reaction of a teenage boy with absent parents||

[spice socket]

very heavy absent

[lilac vault]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-asdfmovie-treepowers-tree-right-gif-13438552

||Emriss Silentborn||

[lilac vault]

Time to finish Dreadgod

Or, what it has become at this point

Everyone's favorite episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia

[spice socket]

Accurate

[lilac vault]

||Dare I say, the funniest heist novel I have ever read|| Dreadgod 21

||Mistborn, Locke Lamora, Six of Crows, eat your collective hearts out||

I love her

[safe knoll]

TG, Cradle general ||Simon is Lindon, but 5'11"||

[lilac vault]

LMFAO

Definitely the most comedic conclusion to a Cradle book

||It's very funny that Lindon and Yerin are just going everywhere together. I was under the impression that this was a "split up, gang" kinda deal. What the hell are the others doing||

||Lindon has an oath??? To who??? There's nothing in Malice's oath that should be unknown to Yerin at this point, and I doubt Emriss would have made him swear anything||

||Emriss is under that oath too?! I had to go back and double check the oath, and the oath is just "I won't reveal to anyone that the Dreadgods are alive because the Monarchs won't ascend", but Yerin already knows that.||

OH

OH

OH

||IT'S BECAUSE YERIN IS TELLING THE WORLD||

AHAHAHAHAHA ||THEY DON'T EVEN NEED TO KIDNAP MERCY||

LMAOOOOO ||SUCKS TO SUCK LOSER|| Dreadgod 22

[violet apex]

||lmao, as soon as you were confused about the Everwood thing I’ve been waiting for you to realize||

[lilac vault]

||Did they mention that it could do that before and I forgot||

||Cuz I didn't remember that at all||

[violet apex]

||earlier you were confused why Lindon was making a point to not think about assigning Yerin to Everwood. The reason is because he was limited in actively working to defy his oath||

[zenith kayak]

||IIRC a few times throughout the book(s) they mentioned that Emriss has a way to talk to everyone||

[violet apex]

||for the record I had basically the same reaction as Neon||

[lilac vault]

ONE HUNGRY LAD

[zenith kayak]

Cradle Late General ||Hmm, I wonder if I could make a Lindon version of The Very Hungry Caterpillar work...||

[lilac vault]

LMAO

Dreadgod 23 ||EITHAN IS WATCHING THEM BEAT UP MALICE||

||AND FEAR SPREAD OF THE NEW DREADGOD
THE EMPTY GHOST||

The End
Of Cradle: Volume Eleven
Dreadgod

It's PEAK

I genuinely cannot comprehend how the next book is the last

It feels like there's still so much

||But I guess it is pretty clear that the journey on Cradle is coming to an end, which is the clear focus of the series||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod full ||Do the Eight Man Empire also technically feed the Dreadgods? Cuz really they're only Monarchs by technicality, cuz they can share power||

||I assume they probably do, but I could also see their circumstances being unique enough that they don't||

[safe knoll]

||They're not Monarchs and only Monarchs generate hunger aura; 8ME are Sages and Heralds networked together so that they collectively project the power of a single Monarch. ||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah, that's why I'm wondering if they're an exception||

||Because I could see a world where every other Monarch ascends with assurances from the Eight Man Empire that they'll protect the world in their absence||

||Because the Empire don't generate Hunger Aura due to only being a Monarch as a collective by a technicality||

[lilac vault]

||Well, every other Monarch but Shen, because Shen is absolutely dying||

||This guy only cares about protecting his personal property for HIS sake, not out of genuine protectiveness like Malice||

||Actually, I do wonder why Northstrider isn't ascending. Has he mentioned why?||

||Cuz he doesn't really HAVE anything to protect, since he intentionally holds small amounts of area||

[safe knoll]

I hope I remember this message when you finish Waybound because I have some magic mechanics thoughts

[lilac vault]

||Northstrider WAS here to help defend against the dragons and the Dreadgods, but the dragons are a nonissue with Sesh dead, and the Dreadgods wouldn't BE an issue if he helped Lindon||

[safe knoll]

||Monarch didn’t seem happy about it. “Forgiveness, but I would like to take this opportunity to ask a question, if I may. Surely you could ascend to the heavens at any moment. Why have you chosen to stay?” In the labyrinth, Lindon had learned that the presence of the Monarchs sustained the Dreadgods. If they left, the Dreadgods would soon weaken and eventually die. Northstrider knew that, and yet he chose to remain here. Endangering millions of people by his presence. Lindon had to know why. The Monarch folded his arms. “You know already. You have traveled the labyrinth, as I have. You know the relationship between Monarchs and Dreadgods, but you also saw what was in the sky. There are powers that dwarf even me.” “Surely that is only more reason to leave.” “I will transcend this world when I will not be treated as a slave,” Northstrider snapped. “I will not bow to the Abidan. I have traveled my own path for centuries, and I will not stop now.”||
Wight, Will. Dreadgod (Cradle Book 11) (pp. 81-82). Hidden Gnome Publishing. Kindle Edition.

[lilac vault]

Ahh right

||Sounds to me like he'll join with them voluntarily once Eithan inevitably succeeds in his goal||

[safe knoll]

also worth noting
Dreadgod 3||“It’s not as simple a situation as you believe,” Northstrider went on, which was one of the few times Lindon had heard him continue a topic of his own volition. “How many lives do we preserve by minimizing conflict between one another? If we all left, then the first Herald to advance could annihilate an entire hemisphere of the planet with no one to keep them in check.”||

[lilac vault]

||Yeah hence why I think someone will have to stay behind, and the Empire is the best candidates||

||We haven't seen much of them, we only really have names for two of them and we got one of them literally in the last hundred pages of this book||

||But they SEEM chill||

[lilac vault]

Oh yeah by the way

||Remember when I said that Jaran was a worse parent than Malice? Yeah I take that back||

||Deeeeeefinitely take that back, I was wrooooong||

[humble bluff]

DG ||Pretty sure Emriss used it at the start of the book, when SK was attacking and she was sending out a worldwide call for help||

[lilac vault]

Ohh yeah

That did happen

Oh yeah nobody answered

Is Dreadgod longer than Reaper by a single word?

[dreamy sorrel]

Yes

[thick bay]

||I was laughing so hard when you said that.

He doesn't know...||

[lilac vault]

That's exceptional

What are the word counts

[thick bay]

Dreadgod ||Forget about Northstrider, how does Emriss ascend as a ded tree? Can she walk around and everything? ||

[lilac vault]

||She can create a human form, so probably. Remnants and Sacred Beasts clearly have their own methods of doing things that I'm sure wouldn't get in the way of Ascension if they can get Monarch||

||But honestly, even if she couldn't Ascend, I wouldn't be surprised if Emriss would let herself die for the cause||

[thick bay]

||When I first heard her man, I thought she was a dragon because of WoW.||

[lilac vault]

Elaborate cuz I'm curious

Also did you do audiobook

Or do you mean "when you first heard of them"

[thick bay]

Wow/Dreadgod ||There is a dragon in WoW named Emeriss, and she was a world boss in classic wow. They were a corrupted green dragon standing in front of the portal to the emerald dream. So even though she wasn't a dragon, she still is very Emriss coded.||

[lilac vault]

Ahh

[spice socket]

Will is powerfully nerd

[violet apex]

||Malice got the idea of locking a child in a pocket world from Reigan Shen, who apparently does this regularly, so he might be the worst parent of all actually||

[lilac vault]

||The "lock her in a pocket world" bit is the least problematic part of all that, quite frankly||

||I'm more concerned about the whole emotional manipulation, blatant lying, and physical beating that happened||

[spice socket]

HOB 14 || a carnivorous tree||

|| https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fr9zddlx3ijva1.gif ||

HOB 15 || I like Kaila.||

[spice socket]

HOB 17 || stop being mean to alan simon jfc||

[lilac vault]

Before starting Waybound, I'm probably gonna read all those bonus scenes on the website

[lilac vault]

Uncrowned bonus scene ||Wow, they actually relegated Lindon getting his sword to a bonus scene||

||That was a good scene,.too. Always nice getting more time with Fury||

[lilac vault]

Dreadgod full ||I wish Mercy would end this series being the strongest of the main cast outside of Eithan, but I unfortunately don't think she'll surpass Lindon and Yerin. And that's a shame, because the whole tragedy of Mercy's character is that she got one book to be the strongest (sans Eithan), and then Lindon and Yerin immediately outstripped her and she fell behind hard. Despite having the most opportunity and resources, she was outstripped by everyone else who had far less access to resources and far more adversity. She lost to her big opponent in Wintersteel, and after that it's like the universe was punishing her for it by forcing her to stay with her family, when she would have ironically been better off without them despite their greater strength and resources||

[lilac vault]

Wintersteel bonus scene

||That was a good scene. Ruby got like no scenes with anyone but Lindon and Yerin so her getting a scene with Mercy is nice ||

[robust estuary]

||Ruby ily so much 😭||

[lilac vault]

Bloodline bonus scene

||Thank you Mercy, I was gonna say that||

Oh hahahahaha (Unsouled Spoiler scene, spoilers up to Reaper)

That actually got me

||I thought that was a goof, but no, that double print was on purpose. This is when Suriel turned back time. And Eithan noticed lmao||

Absolute fire (Blackflame spoiler scene, spoilers up to Reaper)

Good reminder how awesome that scene was

[lilac vault]

Reaper ||It is so funny that this implies that Eithan thought so little of the Hound that was offering Penance that he used his true power literally in the tournament the Hound was sponsoring||

||Even funnier is that the Hound is too stupid to have noticed||

[lilac vault]

This blooper was already funny, but it is so much funnier after Reaper

This one has LAYERS

[robust estuary]

||There's a small handful of bloopers I consider secretly canon, and that's one of them||

[spice socket]

The pilot all || like the palpatine one.||

[robust estuary]

I NEED to know what someone who hasn't read The Pilot thinks of that

[spice socket]

Lmao

[lilac vault]

I mean there is definitely at least one

The one in Dreadgod with ||Dross naming the Anti-Underlord constructs||

That is like. Just ACTUAL canon

[thick bay]

||I forgot that someone's name was Ozmantha ||

[maiden tangle]

They are all canon unless proven otherwise /j

[thick bay]

I got a friend to read Cradle!

[spice socket]

Sick

[lilac vault]

Waybound prologue ||Oh dear, Daruman and Makiel both see a low chance of both Eithan and Suriel surviving WHILE EITHAN IS UNRESTRICTED||

[lilac vault]

LMAO (Waybound 1)

I think that one would run a foul of copyright