#Books (General)
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and in that case, the povs is not necessarily about how much i want povs, but whether it's a success or failure at carrying what the story is
some stories need it more than others, but i don't put it in the category of being a preference of mine
It depends what the narrative is trying to do, I think, and at that point, I hope the author knows why they're making this or that choice about their narrative, so I don't usually mind about the PoVs
Which isn't to say I won't sometimes heavily disagree with their choices 
I usually prefer for both sides of a romance to have POVs cause I often find the love interest to be the more interesting character, and wanna see what the story looks like from their perspective 😅
It doesn't guarantee this will be the case but it is often more indicative of the love interest being an actual character and not a cardboard cutout SexyMan
that is also true
(in my comparatively limited experience at least)
I've read so many LI with PoVs that are 100% cardboard cutout SexyMan though 
I think the LI is obviously less fleshed out if all that happens happens through someone's PoV, but being a cutout or not is just the writing skill in my experience
my thought process is more if you're not confident in them being at least a little bit interesting as an individual you're less likely to write their POV but maybe I'm just underestimating some writer's overconfidence lol
mmm yeah I do fully disagree with that reasoning
But overall I think it's about what the author is trying to write
and not about their confidence
Hmmm... To elaborate on my thoughts on this, there's what I said before, that I usually find the LI to be the more interesting character, but also, I wanna see what the relationship looks like from both sides. Cause, with only one POV, there's always an element that they don't see and have to infer, which is doubly an issue when you have an unreliable narrator (which so many of those "he can't possibly be in love with little ol' me!" main characters suffer from). So I find it interesting if we can dig into both sides. It makes the romance feel more... equal, if that makes sense? At least to me personally.
I guess a different way to say it is it's a lot harder to hide a character's flatness when you're in their head
some stories are not served by having povs from everyone, and I honestly think the "aura" of some characters would fully disappear if they were written in their own pov section. I think sometimes it just doesn't serve the story that the author is interested in telling, and sometimes a recognition that the specific outside "angle" is the most interesting view of some characters, and that's a writing choice, not failure
We're not talking failures or not, just preferences
rn32 was
But like... how to explain this, I don't think an author is like "I don't know how to write a character so I will hide their PoV", if you're not confident in your writing skills as a PoV you're probably not writing at all
the idea that a lack of confidence is what holds them back is describing a failure
I think you misunderstood what I'm saying
I'm not saying "if you don't write from both POV's you aren't confident in your writing ability"
What I understood is that you're asying having both PoVs is a potential indicative that you're not writing flat characters
sure, but that's A. just a matter of pre-reading info I take into account when seeing if I might be interested and B. Doesn't mean that not doing that is an automatic negative
No, of course
the point of disagreement is not whether a flat character is a positive or negative, but whether that even indicates flatness
The tension in many romances collapses immediately if you know what the other lead is thinking
although to some extent, i think calling a character flat does carry negative connotations, and i think it absolutely did carry that connotation in some of the above messages
I suppose it is a matter of, what serves the story best.
It's just that, personally i find the romances where i can read both sides' thoughts to be more enjoyable
I read too many smuts for this to be true to my experience 
i also personally am not interested in the concept of a romance feeling equal vis a vis povs. some are interesting BECAUSE you can't see both sides
I think it can be fine to have flat characters, BUT if 90% of the story is focused on two characters and one of them is very flat and doesn't feel like a real person that's gonna generally be less interesting
okay so we're all agreeing to disagree here?
on that one axis,we can say
Oh for sure, I think nobody is sying we like flat characters? Instead having 1 PoV isn't indicative that the other character is flat
the concept of flatness i think is still very much open
yeah Im trying to clarify that wasn't what I was saying
a lack of povs doesn't indicate anything about a character's flatness to me
hmm, sure (this was to Rn32)
its not like a "if you have X that's good if you don't have it that's bad" thing
i don't think i would ever go so far as to say povs are something i look to as any kind of indicator of flatness or a writer's confidence/ability to write a character
it's a "I generally see X as a pro, even if you can still be perfectly good without it"
hey you got like 3.5 days
NINETY THREE
I think that's only affected by the distance between start and finish date
I'm at 72 - really fell off this month too
What you say makes more sense though 🤔
I’ve fallen off in May a ton
...how do y'all read more books in a month than there are days
if you don't have any books as currently read I think a low reading month shouldn't affect ATTF
or are those annual stats
I have 2 currently reading, yeah
this is 2026 (so, since Jan 1st)
okay that makes more sense
maybe it doesn't calculate until you actually finish them?
but it has gone up over May
idk though cause I took 2 and a half months to finish one and I expected my ATTF to go up more than it did
We shall see once I complete my 2 current ones
but my brain's just all over the place
tears of the kingdom got its hooks back into me
I had a killer ATTF early this year but I'm reading more of the 500 pager type books in may so it's up to 11
I feel like if I started tracking books like this, I'd get anxious about my stats
either that, or forget about updating it after a week 🤔
I only mark when i start and end
I defs don't care about my stats but I'm annoyed at not being able to do the things I want to do (such as reading)
annoyed at myself which is the worst type of annoyed

I did get a bit anxious last year when I fell behind on my 52/year goal
But it honestly wasn’t all that bad
This is I think my third year of tracking my reading and maintaining a 52/year goal
And this year I’m well ahead of schedule
yeah i don't think i'd be able to do that 😅
the metrics of tracking really aren't a pressure to me because there is no "should" involved. no "i should read this" no "i should read more". it's just there for recognizing what i have done. and it does encourage me to read more, but the little gamification of it has never outweighed the feeling of remembering, oh yeah i love stories
the reason for tracking is because i genuinely want to be able to find (1) what i read (2) when i read it
Stats are fun
i've been slowlyyyy reaching some of the books that have been on my tbr for years and years, and that genuinely feels good
and i probably wouldn't have gotten here without the little push
this is sort of the ideal thing for me to gamify i'll say
I don't think it does anything of the sort for me lol
I wish it pushed me into the tbr but it does not
i just like seeing the covers and being able to look at some of those covers and realize they're in a different "pile" than the one they've been in for years is exciting
I don't really understand why or how but I do think the like percentage tracking of where I am does help me
I guess you don't need the app for that cause most e-readers and audio books have it but seeing all the things Im reading in one place can help me decide which one to pick up in the moment
Oh you mean in the book?
yeah
I thought you meant in like yearly goal and such
nah like seeing that I'm 80% on a really chunky book encouraging me to pick it up cause Im close to the climax or something
i do put in my daily reading and honestly, that sort of encourages me a lot to realize how fast a book can go? so before storygraph, sometimes i'll be like, oh that didn't feel like a lot... but then it was like, oh wait i went from 0% to 18% in a sitting? it sort of encourages my brain by helping me realize it isn't going to be forever. sometimes books can feel like that
yeah that too
I feel like it's more useful this year where I'm reading like 3-4 books at any given time
I think maybe I've been doing too many trackers and checklists as part of my work. I look at those stats pages y'all share and get Jira flashbacks 
Oooh, my work requires me to do a bunch of trackers and checklist...
which is part of why I like my work 
This is how my brain is wired
I am an Excel spreadsheet fiend
so satisfying
trackers aren't really part of work tho
oh yeah it is enjoyable when it's self initiated
I don't tend to have work trackers forced on me, usually they're things I initiate, yeah
Yeah, I'm forcing them on everyone else 😈
HWFWM book 9 chapter 14 || we can stop having American accent having Travis show up any time shirtaloon thank you||
(failed spoiler)
I like trackers for work!
I'm less positively inclined towards them when it comes to stuff i do for fun, though
it makes me feel like that one meme tweet about doing well in therapy
I like keeping track of data, I’m just not good at logging things myself, so I prefer to have it logged for me automatically
mhmmm, as Grey said I do not much care about reaching a goal (in fact my goal is purposefully lower than what I would generally read)
I'm currently at 65% of my goal
Frick
That’s me, always failing to finish what I start
Thanks usha
When I was in elementary school we’d have reading logs and I would always get in trouble for not filling them out despite reading (except for the one read across America week where we won prizes for reading the most). And unsurprisingly I don’t do any sort of log or trackers now 20 years later lol
Same lmao
I intentionally set a goal that isn't really a goal, a number I know I'll reach
Maybe I should try to read today, I'm could probably finish my current book in 1 day, and the print one in 2-3 days
print is harder for me to read because I don't read physical books at night which is where most of my reading happens
but that's fine, the issue is that I'm reading nothing at all 😩
Objectively I know Edward is terrible but I still think he's a 100x better than Jacob.
Oof there was more discussion between then and now than i realised
That tends to happen, idk why but sometimes discord likes to show some seemingly arbitrary point in time rather than now or my last activity
I think it popped me to the first message I hadn't read, and I just didn't check how active the channel had been since lol
Dungeon Crawler Carlitos book 1 29 ||I love Odette's character so much||
Is "unsane" an acceptable word or a typo
mmmm it's okay. not common, but it's not necessarily an error
if i were beta'ing, i'd probably mark it to be safe but also wouldn't be surprised if it got stetted
Mhm, I don't think I had ever seen it used
This is in Saint of Bright Doors, for which it somewhat fits
So I think it's likely intentional to use the less common one
I would say it depends on the context
oh yeah, i'd say that's on purpose
I could see the author choosing it over insane to be like "this isnt just insanity, its eldritch" or something
lots of unconventional choices in Saint
The prose is slightly odd in this book
The word is used to describe "country" in this sentence anyway
I guess it does have an...eerie (?) vibe to the insanity but I'm more leaning into it just being slightly odd sounding
i think it points to a bit of a difference, shades of meaning, between not being sane (a bit more passive) and insane (stronger, more negative, more active)
Unsane to me implies an intentionally not sane state
Instead of the uncontrolled lack of sanity that insane would conote
I've seen it in a book before I think I read it as like a milder form, just like a bad decision but not truly crazy
I flagged it when I read the book too. I may have even looked it up to see if it was a typo or a real word
there is a sense of like, they are not sane but it's not something you would reach for the DSM and point to an entry for
Yeah it definitely was a word that read strangely a bit at the time though haha
Unsane sounds like Prachett's "Knurd" to me
Saint of Bright Doors 26 ||wtf is this prison camp?? Seems like some massive concentration camp really... ||
I so badly want to know what's going on while also not wanting to read 
SoBD 26/gen ||sometimes Fetter's way to parse his emotions/feelings leave me so tired. Like they feel quite heavy in a personally negative way. I feel related (vaguely) to the feelings without feeling related to any of the reasons why they're there for him... and it's kind of exhausting?||
Dungeon Crawler Karl 1 30 ||PRINCESS DONUT IS A NECROMANCER NOW?||
SoBD 28 ||... so we're talking with dad...||
||“I have been an absent father,” No! How'd you figure?||
Wait what
||we're just moving on like the narrator didn't just address themselves?????||
Able to paste the context/sentence for memory sake?
In ch 28 || it says something like "Fetter's Father is looking at me, even though he shouldn't be able to" ||
34 ||Did Fetter's shadow just... hide themself in his Father's ...glans??? ||
I did it, I finished a book
Relevant bits. Saint of Bright Doors ALL ||my guy died due to having sex, hah||
I don't think I'm particularly impressed by the end though so hmmmm... I guess I'll let the story settle before I try to gather my thoughts about it but rn I'm quite indifferent. Loved the prose though
Glad it wasn’t just me
Okay, this is very funny
Saint of Bright Doors all || It's quite fortunate my "skipping to random points in the book" to check when you asked when I was only a few chapters in didn't spoil that lol ||
Nothing quite like the ADHD urge to randomly stop reading a book you're in the middle of to go and reread an entirely separate series
And I say randomly, cuz it's not like I'm not enjoying the book 
Platform Decay 5 ||whew, what a start of the book. Killing off Leonides immediately caught me off-guard. I’m glad that the whole party is in agreement to save the people she wanted smuggled out. Nanna Naja is already awesome||
yeah it was a big "Huh????" moment
I never liked that they want us to do minutes instead of, like, pages or words
Read more than one book a day, duh!
At any given time I'm reading three or four books. Physical, audio, audio with my wife, e book. So if I'm really blazing on all fronts I can finish a lot of books really fast
Not like... At exactly the same time, though?
Surely that just means each book takes three to four times longer, and the number completed over time remains the same?
(Or longer, if you read faster than audiobooks speak, like I do.)
eh, not necessarily
if you have 3-4 books you're reading at the same time you're less likely to go "eh not in the mood for this kind of story right now" and then just not read at all
plus if you don't have the audiobook for one book you can listen to a different one instead of making zero progress overall
I don't follow. If I don't have a book on me, I don't have a book on me; regardless of how many I am reading at a given time.
Yeh this just doesn't happen to me
do you exclusively read physically? then yeah it doesn't apply to you
I mean, it would also be true if I didn't? If I had books digitally, then I'd always have the current one on me because I'd have my phone with me, so why would I need three alternatives?
I do often have multiple books on the go
I am reading 2 books.
Book 1 I have a physical copy of only. Book 2 I have borrowed both the ebook and the audibook from the library.
I have to drive an hour to get somewhere. I listen to Book 2 on the way.
If I had only been reading Book 1, I would have gotten zero reading done. Instead I got an hour done.
This feels like something that'd happen to people that do not prepare the correct format for their needs/wants
And not about reading multiple books at once
I mean no not necessarily
Sometimes you just don’t have access to all formats for every book
Fairly commonly I would even say
Mmm. Guess that doesn't make sense to me, because that's not time I would ever consider to be available for reading regardless of the format of the book. I want to focus on what I'm reading, not have it on in the background, because my interest is in what I'm reading. shrugs
I mean like I said if you're just not an audiobook person the effect is significantly less
More like, if reading on the car is something you usually do and you don't have the format available that's on you, still. Regardless this is a thing about multipe formats and not multiple books at once
Well, even if I was, an audiobook is several times slower than I read, so an hour of an audiobook isn't going to get through four books quicker than just reading one at a time physicially.
WHich was my point, that reading multiple at once doesn't make sense for speeding up reading rate.
clearly you're not properly speedrunning reading a 5x audio =P
it might not for you because you don't like using them while you do other stuff, which is fine
Apparently not!
it's just that for people who do it does
I don't really agree with the "you don't have the format available that's on you" framing. I would love to have physical, e-book, audiobook available when I want it for all books I read but that often doesn't happen
no, that does seem like a waste of money
but if you do usually do audiobooks on the car and you don't have audiobooks on the car that's definetely on you
For very mood readers I can see how multiple books would make sure they always feel like reading one of their books
but the format thing is like... you could do with 2 books, not 6
I do have audiobooks in the car, just not always one for every book I am reading, that's my point
I did get that
6 is a bit of an extreme example I think 2-4 is more common and usually due to "I couldn't wait to finish the first 2 books before starting a new one"
yeah and doesn't make you read faster than 2
I mean I don't think anyone was saying that you get like unlimited exponential growth of your reading speed the more books you are currently reading lol
this but for books
I would definitely say past ~5 you're gonna start getting diminishing returns for most people
that also doesn't make any sense, you either read or you don't imo
If you read 6h it doesn't matter if you read 1 book or 6 books
not counting that some books are heavier/denser than others anyhow
sure, but we're saying we read more than 6 hours because of reading multiple books at the same time
plus the density of the text thing is not totally negligible having a lighter easy read available for when a doorstopper with lots of lore and dense prose is too much is a big benefit
Right, but the factor by which you'd have to add more time spent reading in this way isn't sustainable. If I wanted to read two books at the same time faster htan I currently read one book physically, I'd need to be spending over 6 hours a day driving (to use your example).
WHich, thankfully, I do not do...
yes it is
because lots of people do it everyday lol
Lots of people drive for over six hours a day?
omg
it doesn't have to be driving and it doesn't have to be 6 hours lmao
it doesn't have to be every day either
I am specifically saying six hours, because that's how much I would need to add to make my reading consumption more than double by reading two books at once.
why are we talking about this like it's a KPI in a business meeting
it just gets you more percentage of book read per day on average than not, for the people it works for
it's not about hitting a specific goal
Because the conversation was about reading multiple books allowing you to get through a greater volume across the time it would take to read them sequentially?
Yeah, it was "how do you guys read more books than there are days in the month"
which means we're talking about it making a substantial difference
It wasn't about reading more per day. It was about reading more across the sequential time.
It does make a substantial difference (not 82 books a month because that was a misread of the graph lol)
If it takes me a week to read a book sequentially, the argument was that if I read four at the same time it would take me less than four weeks to finish all of them.
No
That was the argument being put forth before you joined in, so I'm not sure what you're "No"ing.
But I've finished work now, so I'm going to go and read for a bit.
Zeee didn’t say “if you, Vecna do X, your number of books per month will increase by Y%”
We’re just answering the question of “how do you read so many books a month”, by saying what we do lol
I'd appreciate not being tagged in conversations I said I was leaving.
Sorry i forget tagging is a thing
I read multiple books at once- mix of formats and genres.
on deck for me now:
- A Mercy of Gods as the audiobook (mostly listening in my car)
- Dragon Haven (Rain Wild Chronicles 2) as my library book, but because Hobb can be slow I might also start/finish other library books like
- Feeding Ghosts by Tessa Hull, a graphic novel memoir about three generations of women as the author untangles her grandmother's mental illness amidst 20th century China
- Southbound by Anjeli Enjeti- nonfiction essay collection for my irl book club
- Becoming Earth - a nonfiction science ebook on my phone
- [empty slot for #1364954784737792102 readalong, haven't started Dark Tide II Ruin yet but I pulled it off the shelf]
last night I finished my shelf book, The Gilded Wolves by Roshani Chokshi which gave me Six of Crows vibes and I should've read it earlier becase it was so fun
I've to decide what to read next 
A trade of blood!?! Please tell,me you got an early copy
stares at book I'm unsure if I want to finish
I might need to as well 
Sure, that's for tomorrow
There’s this indie author I think you might like. He writers really long books with really detailed magic systems
And you haven’t shared GASP BETRAYAL
I am in between 2 but I don't wanna say til Ichoose
Though a faction war might be fun
okay, the choice is made
Good choice
Okay, I've read 10 pages only but I'm digging the mc personality
Hmm, for some reason I don't like how detailed the twoleg is. I feel like, because the clan cats don't really understand humans, they should be more ... vague?
Idk
I don’t think that would work in a graphic novel for children
Oh yeah kinda forgot these are kids books lol
DCC 8 61 ||bar room fight to take on me karaoke is awesome ||
DCC 8 61 (though I think the chapter is 57) ||when this was released on Patreon, Matt wrote that he had an alternate scene ready to go in case they didn't get the rights because audiobook is essentially a performance and I'm so glad they secured it; Jeff does an amazing job||
Platform Decay all ||great book as expected. I feel like this one got pretty dark even by Murderbot standards. The dad at the end has a special spot reserved in hell. Three is great and I wish it were in the book more.||
Care to share with the class? 👀
Royal Assassin all + Assassins Quest 1 ||I really enjoyed how Royal Assassin ended, assuming it would follow the counter-Regal intrigue but from the shadows outside Buckkeep. I don't think I was prepared for the weird "Fitz still thinks he's a wolf" reset, and I'm really struggling to pick this thing up again knowing it's 800+ pages, and not knowing how many of them will be Burrich re-training Fitz like he's a freaking dog... It's not my thing. Is there much more of this?||
||The singing one?||
I don't remember much of it at all
His name is Brandon Sanderson
So I could skip bits I'm not enjoying and not miss much? I plan to eventually read all of RotE I guess
The Tainted Cup does this really well. would recommend if you haven't reaed it
I should probably give Founders trilogy another try. Because the way worldbuilding is integrated in shadow of leviathan is incredibly amazing and natural
My reading progress has slowed substantially over the last few days. Only 5 chapters into The Book That Wouldn’t Burn so far and I started it 4 days ago. Dang
Carl el Mazmorrero 31
Yes, they mentioned [PoH 57] ||bar fight to Take On Me, and that's the one I was most curious about for the audio version||
Yes, they named it like that in spanish
Now I'm listening to the secret skit for PoH. Thanks
I actually haven't listened to that yet- I want to do Faith of Beasts for my next audiobook but I do want to do my PoH reread on audio (since I did the Patreon chapters I figured I shouldn't immediately revisit)
Carlitos el pibe mazmorra
One of the best audiobook experiences I've had. Easily.
Jeff really couldn't wait for the Audio Immersion Tunnel to produce that, he just had to put it in the original release
Carlos el del calabozo
Alright having dealt with my ADHD tendencies and finished Primal Hunter 14
It's off to This Inevitable Ruin
I am strapped in for a wild ride
Prologue ||...they GAVE HIM THE NUKE CODES????||
well, i suppose the title is appropriate in that case?
TIR prologue: ||TACTICAL NUKE INBOUND!||
Chapter 2 ||heh Canadian
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are you audiobooking or eyeball reading? I swear like... whenever a very specific accent description comes up, I feel like Matt is messing with Jeff
I feel like I saw an interview where he just straight up said he does that sometimes lol
Fate strange fake vol 7 ||THE EL MELLOI CLASS???? They're all here omg||
The will of the many was a fairly good read
Maybe 7 of 10
Interesting but not my favorite
Nor painful
Ive finished 6 books in 6 days (started and finished 6 in 8 days)
Been on a crazy reading spree
TIR 12 ||holy hype
Just.... Hype. This ain't gonna be easy, many are going to die, but honestly
What group would you rather go to war alongside||
13 ||I am entirely too terrified to imagine what kind of children Kiwi and Mongo are definitely going to have
Poor mongo tho, bro is very, very confused now||
HWFWM book 9 chapter 34 this reveal is not in this chapter but I forgot the number || I cannot believe Jason’s secret identity is Donald trumps fake publicist persona||
A Deadly Education 9 ||I LOVE HAVING existential crises at bedtime, it’s so restful. Same El, that's why I'm reading at 4.37 am instead!||
Such a good book
Just finished Last Contract of Isako. ||Am I the only one that really liked Martim’s PoV much more than the rest of the book? ||
|| I thought they were good but I didn’t really have an opinion of it being better or worse than the Isako ones||
overall thoughts
the blurb sounds... pretty stupid premise 😭
and I was put off by GBS
but it being cyberpunk is making me interested
If you don’t like Green Bone, idk if this will hook you.
||For me, I just found his part so tense and paced much quicker and more interesting and then going back to Isako felt like slowing down. ||
GBS was more of Urban fantasy issue than the actual book issue
This is much more corporate espionage than samurai in space, and I feel like the marketing leans heavy on the second there. It is also definitely cyberpunk more than typical sci-fi, which I also didn’t really expect.
how stupid does like samurai corporate espionage feel in context of cyberpunk
or does it mesh well
as in not feel out of place
I mean, I don’t read a ton of cyberpunk, but it felt fine to me. I thought it meshed well
noted
||That’s fair. Wonder if Lee was just writing her as old and a little weary||
Reread the last few issues of Absolute Martian Manhunter and I feel like I finally get it
It was cool but I feel like I finally actually understand the themes and story its telling
I finished A Deadly Education
I definitely just don't vibe with academic stuff. Overall it was entertaining, I quite liked all the characters.
Though their interactions were less interesting to me
All ||The descriptions of all the ways the school tries to kill them also got tiring after a while, though I enjoyed the end of the book the most, maybe along with the beginning 🤔 ||
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with it but a lot of things that are there because it is an academy setting just make me tired 😔
Ill probably read the next since ||the note from the mother has me intrigued
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The starless sea is fun so far. I don't have a ton to say, I'm waiting to see where it's all going
Been listening to "Lycanthropy and Other Chronic Illnesses". It's fun, and it was immediately obvious from the title and blurb that it was written by someone with experience with chronic illness. :p
I forgot to get book 2 and I'm out for a couple of days... I guess there goes my chance at reading book 2 
I could get it with my tablet but this bothers me 
Starless sea 61% ||it feels like this is meant to be a romance but I'm not really sure where the feelings came from||
||also god Zachary remembers more of the little short stories than I do
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||Dorian also seems less familiar with everything than I expected||
I went to bed around midnight rather than staying up to finish DCC 8
Boo!
/j.
Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires 25: ||Jesus Christ Carter's getting on my nerves. He's a real piece of work. I can accept Carter doesn't believe Patricia that's not that crazy. I can accept throwing her under the bus when James Harris shows up and forces her to apologize.
What I won't accept is Carter treating Patricia like a child and calling her Patty. Self medicating his wife. Setting up situations where Patricia is the bad guy. Blaming Patricia when she ODs on her meds he gave her (and committed medical malpractice) and not taking any responsibility. Not stepping up as a father when Patricia was in the hospital. Trying to commit more medical malpractice by trying to diagnose his son and give him meds as well. Calling Patricia "just a housewife."
Oh, and the probable cheating. Can't forget that tiny detail ||
Farseer Trilogy ||This is a reread for me but I'll keep future book stuf out of this. I first read these in highschool and, despite how it sometimes feels, have changed a lot since then. I really enjoyed the books then and now but for a lot of different reasons. I remember I often felt intense frustration at Fitz when first reading these books. This time around there was still some frustration but overall, even in the first book where hes so young, he just felt too familiar for me to just feel frustration. Especially after Molly reentered his life in book 2.
Hobb does a wonderful job juggling all the relationships, letting some of them fester and others grow naturally off page. On that note, I have to say Fitz didn't make that many huge mistakes which was a surprise given how I vaguely remember the series. Like he messed up a lot at the end of book 2 but he was also pretty screwed no matter what he did. He probably should have contacted Molly to tell her he was still alive (although this is something i am not positive on), but again there were a lot of people who share the blame on that circumstance.
Overall, I am very glad I returned to this series and plan to continue it to the end (albeit while skipping Rainwild). I restarted it on a whim but expected the first few books to be a bit of a slog, glad i was proven wrong. Hobbs strength, in my mind, is exemplified by her ability to turn any conversation Fitzs has into a page turner. On that note, I am very sad that Fitz and Patience never met again, their conversations were some of my favorites||
RotE ALL ||One thing that felt weird was how the Fools relationship with Fitz seemed to change so much in Book 3. Based on the subsequent books I associated them with having a very warm, loving relationship but that only happens in book 3 after two books of Fool mostly ignoring Fitz in favor of Shrewd with the occasional joke or ominous prophecy. The disconnect might have just been a reread thing.
On the topic of Molly, I vividly recall a scene from a later book where Bee dies. That scene and Nighteyes dying are going to wreck me even more than they did the first time through, i am sure. ||
Assassin's Quest ||Specifically thinking about this book, I think it is safely my favorite if this trilogy. The Fitz-Fool-Nighteyes dynamic hits the ground running. I feel like Fitz actually goes through less torture in this book than the previous ones, although i think part of that was me knowing in the back of my mind what happens with Molly. Having (almost) the entire book take place outside of Buck was a good choice, even though it means we miss out on some characters I liked.
Speaking of characters, Starling was a good addition to the cast imo. She could easily have been stepping on the toes of Fool but is very distinct. Kettle is a bit more lackluster, the reveal of who she is was sort of too strongly foreshadowed but not in the right direction? There are several heavy handed implications shes a former coterie member, but the fact shes a member of a coterie who we've never heard of (even through epigraphs) robs the reveal of its weight. The scene where Fitz helps her overcome her guilt was nice though.
The quarry section could easily have been a slog, perhaps for some people it was, but I was impressed that Hobb was able to keep things moving almost entirely with character interactions. Hobb definitely also had some perverse glee in how she wrote Fitz and Ketts interactions knowing where they'd end up...
If I had to pick out one weakness of the book, other than the Kettle thing I mentioned, it would be Kett is a bit onedimensional of a few standout scenes. Maybe thats just because I never really felt her relationship with Verity super strongly.
Shout out to the ferrit assassin||
OK block of texts over
Farseer all ||While some of people's frustration with Fitz comes from not empathizing with his own situation enough, I think a surprising amount of it actually comes from not empathizing enough with the other perspectives or understanding the whole situation. Like when you're younger you think "why doesn't Fitz just kill Regal" but reading again it's like, literally what could he even do. You realize that all the adults pulling Fitz in different directions have their own valid points. I think it's really cool because the kind of stuff you realize when you're older is the same stuff that Fitz wasn't realizing at the time because he was just a kid. Also at the end of book 2 he was literally coked up.||
Farseer all ||When specifically do you think he should have contacted Molly, and how? Genuine question tbh.||
||he tried and was no diffed by will after almost immediately messing it up||
Farseer all ||I think that the trilogy is hugely upgraded on reread because once you understand all the side characters better, every conversation gets so much more depth. You see so much vividness in what they think of Fitz from their own perspectives. As you say, they're all page turners.||
||Chade, and iirc someone else, offered to do while he was in the Mountain capital||
||not to brag, but despite not remembering it i clocked Patience and Burrichs situationship from her first mention of him to Fitz||
Farseer all ||There's definitely a weird shift in Fitz and the Fool's relationship. Honestly I'm not super sure how to explain it. I think Hobb kinda just like... wrote herself into that in book 3 off of vibes and then liked it enough to roll with it. But it wasn't necessarily set up in Book 2. I think it can maybe be explained by Fitz struggling so insanely much, with nobody he loves or is close to by his side by Nighteyes, that he's ready to get hugely attached to the first person he actually finds again who cares about him. And from there, that dynamic is pretty set. On the Fool's end I think they just always felt that way and were holding it back, of course.||
Farseer all ||IMO I would say Kettricken's relationship with Verity isn't meant to be the center of her character. The relationship itself is really more just for the sake of her sense of duty.||
||Small Ferret? More like Big Goat.||
||I guess her being the Sacrifice in her mind that importance of duty could be argued, but I think I'm meant to take more away from the relationship than that. She's devastated that Verity seems to have forgotten about their relationship||
Ooo speaking of Farseer!
Okay, internet being out seems like a good excuse to finish DCC 8.
What chapter are you on?
I need to get back to reading myself
Almost done with umbrella academy miniseries 1 apocalypse suite
Ballad of Sword and Wine, end of vol 3 ||With the way everyone is talking about one of the boys from the "school" being the Imperial Heir, and how they're all allegedly dead now, I am like 90% sure that the Imperial Heir is actually one of the girls. This feels like the kind of twist this book would pull off.||
Also, this book is illustrated, and this book contains sex scenes, and I was reading on a bus when these two aspects suddenly converged 
I've never turned off my phone's screen so fast before
Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires 30: ||🤢 That was gross and tense. Very well written though||
The Starless Sea ||tbf I don't think Zachary really understands where the feelings are coming from either.
But like if a very nice smelling man pulled me into a dark room and whispered a story in my ear I think I would fall in love immediately so I can't judge
||
I opened the book to estimate where you were and now I think I might reread it again 
I'm in a bit of a slump rn and I think it might help
Southern Book Club 34: ||Assuming James Harris isn't lying (which he may very well be), then Carter is a certifiable pos||
Southern Book Club 35: ||What the... This guy's a monster. There's no other way to describe him||
||Bro you have a storming proboscis. That's not a "condition"||
Hmm, so we got a bit more information but definitely not as much as I wanted.
My issues with Assassin's Quest's start seem to be mostly resolved by just reading a few more pages, oops
Generally with RotE either that happens or Hobb convinces you its not an issue
Hmmmm, what am I reading tonight 🤔
Time to look at all the books I do have on my tablet
The last 2 books I've read have not been quite a hit
But I'm not sure what would be a hit in my current mood
Does anybody here buy travel books, and do you think they're worth it?
What kind of book mood are you in rn?
The Internet destroying good things 😭
Im not 100% sure on how that holds up, I think it depends on what you want to get out of them
Hmmm... not really?
Travel books like guides? Or more like people writing about their travels?
This the problem 
I mean they still exist afaik
It's just that you can get the same info for free if you spend some time looking
Well, I'm assuming they'll give you information that you wouldn't find online if you didn't know what to search for. I also want to use them as a travel plan thing
It is quite backwards
We used to buy them, but in my experience they tend to get outdated very quickly
It was very limiting to whether you has gotten a good one, and if you agreed with the type of things the author considered important to tell you, etc
Online information is much more up to date when it comes to stuff like availability, prices, opening hours...
Wouldn't have expected that
Now you can plan around exactly your preferences and interests and contrasts hundreds of people's experiences rather than trust one book
You can also ensure you find accurate info of stuff like
I mean, ultimately, a travel book remains static once printed, whereas online information can be updated much more easily
If you went to see a historical monument the guide would have some history info for you that was... not necessarily good at all
Now you can go down the rabbit hole of the place you're going to visit all on your own
I remember some of the guides we had going to Australia were very... patronizing of native people 😬
You can walk out of Internet places that do that much faster too
Overall I don't see any loss on the guides being less popular besides pure nostalgia
That said if you do want to use a few go ahead! Try to get them as up to date as possible and do a little research on which to get
encyclopedias and atlases are another massive casualty
i remember TOMES of them in the libraries as a kid
now? lol
Oh yeah, we have dozens at my grandma's place
I don't think I've opened one in my life tho
i'm sure i used them for homework up until junior high
My parents have this old encyclopedia that's been so used, the spine is completely covered in tape to keep it from bursting apart
and an atlas that still has yugoslavia
That's not so long ago!
the breakup of yugoslavia started before i was born, that's old enough for me 
HWFWM book 9 chapter 42 || yes shirtaloon i get it, Jason’s super hot and bones super good. You don’t have to remind me every time someone calls him a wanker ||
I don't think it effectively happened until after I was born, so not that long ago!
I don't think itd be on the maps until it was "official"
i'm not actually sure how old the atlas is, i'm about 300 km too far to check rn 🤔
I am not phoning my parents at 1:30 AM to get them to look at the atlas 
Fight at Dawn it is then 
🫡
I think that emoji doesn't quite exactly convey the vibe I wanted it to 
It’s at least from before 1992, which was 34 years ago
I have this vague idea that it might be from the 70s, but I'm not sure
I was drawn to a couple of decent books on my tbr however I feel I'm in a mood where nothings gonna work
So imma read something that's stuff I care less about
I don't think you're giving Jason enough credit here
Finishing both jekyll and hyde, and Dexter book 6 today
Hopefully treasure island tomorroe
I think the entire series gives Jason too much credit
I just don’t need to know how roguishly handsome and sexy personality he is in possession of in scenes where I don’t have the excuse of his being an unreliable narrator
Clearly he warps the world so people have to comment on how roguishly handsome he is
/s
HWFWM all || there is a less than 0 chance this is canon.||
Wait no I’m stupid at words
I meant there is a non zero chance
Wait, isn't he usually told that hes less handsome and that his chin is sharp
Literally its a running joke that hes just looking more like his brother over time
Yeah but that doesn’t stop every woman character also talking about how sexy his personality is
Any recommendations for books about wizards with a good magic system in a more mundane world. I know its rather specific but somting like The Scholomance Trilogy, or Dresden but not nessasary in modern day
The starless sea 70~% ||something about this book is just not connecting with my brain||
||maybe I'm just tired||
||I feel like I just don't get the characters/relationships right now||
You might enjoy Rivers of London. New police constable is forced into the underfunded department that deals with any crimes intersecting with the masquerade
Oooh I also just started the startles sea
(which is only slightly more accurate a description than saying Dresden Files is about a Wizard who makes a living as a PI)
Oooh that does sound good
The starless sea, Sweet Sorrows: to Decive the mind (Wild basesless speculation)|| Ok so im predicting this book is about intersecting worlds of "stories" and the real world. It seems like the pirate might be one of these acoylotes that can speak and the book is one that tells of the starless sea, maybe even the tale the pirate is about to say||
||Oh. Does it count as meta if the story is self refererental||
There’s the Bartimaeus trilogy. Sort of in your vein. Modern ish day Britain of an alternate history. Good story. It is a young adult series, but the magic is interesting
Dexter book 6 ended quite well, I love the series
Halfway through Jekyll and Hyde
Hello fellow nerds!
The Kingkiller Chronicle Discord server is hosting a reread of Name of The Wind by Patrick Rothfuss starting on June 7th. We are excited to do a deep dive on the themes, theories, and lore for the book. We know there is a lot of overlap between our fandoms so we were looking to see if anyone here would be interested in the invite? 🙂 React if you're interested so I can send you the info.
Mmm, what's that Folio Society? A nominal money off voucher? Well, I guess I have to buy another book from you then...
Assassin's Quest 4 ||I wonder if I have a very different reading experience to people who read this series when it first came out. There's no way I can see this story being a simple "kill Regal" suicidal revenge quest, given I know there are more Fitz books and we haven't met any Elderlings yet...||
Oh I forgot this guess/observation I made from a while ago, Assassin's Quest 5 ||Burrich is platonically living with Molly and helping her raise her and Fitz's child, right?||
for anyone here who is into star wars ( looking at you Bean) should I start reading the high republic stuff
The Obelisk Gate 14 ||So Hoa is the narator, and states he is a very powerfull stone eater, one of the eldest. OFC he is also apparently the stone eater from the broken obelisk, that I did not see coming. How did this other random stone eater defeat him though? He clearly has been going on a murder spree outside of antimony, who ofc is no threat unless Alabaster is threatened. Who tf is this third stone eater and how did it manage to incapacitate Hoa???||
TOG 15 + MB ||This feels a LOT like mistborn in many ways. A world not unlike our earth that has been damaged by very powerfull people. The goal being to return it to the previous state. "The enemy" steel refers to must be "Evil Earth" they seem to all have the same goal of stopping the seasons. Why does the unamed stone eater seem to be against the others? They all are the same side no? ||
That's not the last time that happens
The Scar part III ||This book is doing a buildup to the climax, but I just checked the page numbers and I'm less than halfway through... Uh oh||
Finished Jekyll and Hyde
Not my favorite classic so far.
I'm gonna read Red Dragon next
Any particular reason?
Just didn't draw me in like the invisible man did
Kind of a meh story
Fair enough, still gonna have to read it myself
Doesnt help I guess that I already knew the story from abridged versions
Its a pretty short book
Looks like your criteria for this month was Wacko Crazy Books Only
I did enjoy the sequence of weird scifi books
-# even if GEOD could've been weirder imo
-# or, I dont think my problem was that it wasnt weird enough so much as it was that I'd seen people discuss it as this weird philosophical masterpiece that it just didnt feel like it was to me. That's Children of Dune, imo
And the late in the series Anne Rice vampire novel?
calling it here, as i'm not finishing operation bounce house tonight, although maybe tomorrow
Well that got us [PLATROA] ||Derek the alien's severed arm growing a face and breastfeeding from Derek to grow into a clone called Derek-Two||, so that was sufficiently weird
Oh Anne, it is both wonderful and awful that you fired your editor
I think I liked PLATROA more than a lot of people, but I do feel like Prince Lestat was a perfect ending to the series for me and so the sequel felt a bit more unnecessary than usual
Theres one more
Yeah
so it wasn't as minimal a month as i thought, but it's the least i've read/month this year
but really good books
I expect Blood Communion will be a nice ending because I have liked the Prince Lestat books, but PL#1 really felt like a wrap up of the whole series arc to me
For June/July/Winter break I want to get to some more Vampire Chronicles, some Malazan, the King In Yellow, a Cruel Prince trilogy reread and... maybe Assassin's Apprentice or A Game of Thrones
Shoot maybe I should actually track mine
If you join storygraph, which is free, it autogenerates these graphics
May reading. I really want to read more of Honey and Spice. It’s SO GOOD so far. Listening to it with my gf and we haven’t had the chance to do more yet
The last week of May really slowed down with the book that wouldn’t burn
I have an account, I just suck at keeping it accurate
I got all the books in there I got no idea how accurate it is
I did all audio
Red Dragon is the one i'm currently working on, its gonna take me a few days
Last years stats
Last week's listening
not sure why it says I listened to audiobooks 22/24 hours on the 3rd that's not true lol
ah I think it converted ebook to audiobook when I switched editions and logged that all as one session for some rason
God Emperor and Children 😎
Goodness sake
LotM 8 ||hm they mention the Tudor Era. Is this perhaps an alternate future…?||
I spent more time sleeping and playing games than reading this month
Do you not normally spend more time sleeping than reading?
Depends on the series 😄
I am not 100% sure I'll finish the Starless Sea. I might take a break, at very least
TSS 76% ||I don't entirely blame the book: I think my attention and memory have been a little spotty for this book. Unfortunately, I just don't feel like I understand anything going on right now, and not in the way of like... "omg what's happening"... i just couldn't tell you what anyone is actually trying to achieve right now or why. I don't feel like I know the characters or the conflict||
||things are happening but I'm not sure why or why I should be invested||
Ghormamghast time!!! I’m starting the classic series
And still managed to read more than me
Happy Pride from a tactless, time displaced teenage Jean Grey!
perfectly balanced
So I saw something
Like solicitations for some X-men stuff
And people were hyping up that storm is like. Controlling. The sun. Or something
Like solar flares or something
I have to ask, I know Storm is omega that’s totally understandable. But like
When does it stop being weather
Don’t worry about that
Like all characters, she’s as powerful as the story needs her to be
I might start rereading the Cruel prince today
It's just space weather of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_weather
Space weather is a branch of space physics and aeronomy, or heliophysics, concerned with the varying conditions within the Solar System and its heliosphere. This includes the effects of the solar wind, especially on the Earth's magnetosphere, ionosphere, thermosphere, and exosphere. Though physically distinct, space weather is analogous to the t...
kinda surprised we don't have a red rising thread
The Obelisk Gate ||So Either Essun or Nassun will "bring the moon back" though does that mean back into orbit or smashing into the earth? Do Steel and Hoa both want the same thing? This series is amazing. Ty to whoever recomended it to me. ||
Not enough consistent RR talk probably. Malazan and Will Wight had enough and still get regular traffic, but I haven't seen RR take over this chat long term
I barely see RR talk
Yeah it comes in bursts. Im sure that'll change once RG drops but who knows when that'll happen 😭
Im satisfied though because I have an irl friend reading it 😌
Yeah anecdotally it’s the most talked about irl book Ive read that I wasn’t at some specific event for
I was reading it at work and had 3 students comment on it to me in one day
Same, its the most after stormlight for me, but I have an actual book group circle consisting of me (the one who told everyone about stormlight in the first place), my bf, and our 2 friends (one of which just started GOLDEN SON WOOOOOOO)
- May: Dracula Daily, Bram Stoker et al.; Blood Over Bright Haven, M.L. Wang; The Bonehunters, Steven Erikson; A Lesson In Vengeance, Victoria Lee.
TIR ||buckle up bois cuz the cease fire has been suddenly shortened and HERE WE GOOOOO
Right after flashing back to the dog...||
happy pride month everyone, Winds will come out this year
@viral fractal
GAY BOLTONS
Trans Freys
The more I look at this the worse it gets
At first I thought the kraken was a uterus
This is what happens when men pay for clothes
yeah it feels like it as a lot of normie cachet
TIR ||wait, is the AI in love with Agatha
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whats peoples vibe here on Mercedes Lackey and Valdemar series?
i read a couple, they're fine
i'm not like over the moon about them but i didn't hate them either
chipping away at the tbr feels so good tho!
honestly kicking myself for letting The Gilded Wolves sit on my shelf so long- I bought it during a prime day in 2019 but picked it up this year for an AAPI reading month bingo, and it's so fun. Six of Crow vibes, but set in 1889 Paris on the cusp of a World Exposition
Why did we stop doing World Expositions
according to wiki we apparently still do? like there was a revival in 2000 and they now go every 5 years but maybe it isn't as advertised
Assassin's Quest 9 ||I was so wrong, he actually went and tried to kill Regal. But also right because he failed like he obviously was going to. Unless he didn't fail. Confusing. Anyway, the real quest begins, let's go find our blorbo Verity||
||I appreciate that Hobb understood that the guy who got like 3 or 4 years of training as a child isn't that good of an assassin||
||Preternaturally good at angry axe fighting though||
||wolf magic or something||
I've been reading book of the new sun and it's incredible
Cruel Prince 3/all ||it's weird how despite everything sucking it feels so peaceful compared to later on||
The Ironborn have taken the 7 I see
Heyyy I haven’t been in this channel in like a month
I’m gonna start reading The Sword of Kaigen
Im taking a bookstore trip on Saturday so I will show what I get tee hee XD
Tainted cup is on the list though, along with Yumi and warbreaker~
great book by robert jackson bennett
Thats all I know about it so great 😂
Tainted cup never heard of it
Oooh well Foundryside is on my TBR so maybe I’ll eventually read tainted cup 😂
Hmm should I get a new copy of Way of Kings 🤔
Three excellent picks!
I’m excited for you to start Warbreaker! :D
Such a great book
Wait, TBR lists are meant to get shorter???
They’re all lying, don’t listen to this blasphemy
The Tainted Cup is a Holmes and Watson murder mystery but body horror and also well-written mental disabilities and also Attack on Titan
That sounds amazing
It is
There's some other good stuff in there too but it could be considered spoilery, so you'll just have to read it.
if it's just the dust jacket then I'd say that's still a readable copy, but if you want nice stuff on your shelf then maybe
I would love a set of the leatherbounds
One chapter into Empress of Salt and Fortune, and I’m definitely intrigued
||Rabbit already seems delightful||
Finally finished The Martian!
It's a sisyphean task because there's always new stuff coming out, but this year I'm deliberately trying to read unreads I physically own which are a lot! I added a column to our home library spreadsheet for read yet and half have not been touched by either husband, me, or both (I think I need to update it though because i don't see a formula in the count tab...)
He likes to collect old pulp sci-fi novels and I go ham on library used book sales so the backlog is a lot
Assassin's Quest 11 ||The Skill would have been a great way to give a male protag a lived experience of childbirth from the pen of a female writer who's experienced it. Seemed like a missed opportunity.||
part of 12 ||Starling here displaying Chekov's Surefootedness? Surely they're going to travel together||
AQ all || Oh how I want to tell "don't worry, they do some weirder things with Skill." but that feels like spoiling. ||
Hwfwm book 9 chapter 60 || it’s a bummer Palimastis doesn’t have dnd rules where healing magic hurts the undead, I feel Neil’s pain.||
The Cruel prince 6/all ||i forgot how rapid the pace of this book is. Also, I feel like this book is pretty clearly actually being narrated, though I don't remember that coming up as an actual thing later on||
This inevitable ruin ||look, there is chaos, there is Carl Chaos, and then there's whatever is going on right now in the Vanquisher club
I almost feel a tiny bit bad for the naga princess, it's not like it's directly her fault she needs to die for donut to live... But nah screw her ||
||also it makes me laugh how the god quest seems to just advance on its own with very little promoting from Carl||
||LMAO NOT THE SLUG GETTING THE KILL LMAO||
The Gate of the Feral Gods 34 ||NOOOO KATIA
That makes me immensely sad.||
What happened Atrus?
Too much sad stuff happens to the characters to remember everything unfortunately
It's on my tbr (which is incredibly long) how was it?
Dungeon crawler Carlos Baute 36 ||So Carl now has a stereotyped underwear and they are popular? I love that Carl is slowly liking the interviews||
Carlos Baute is a TV personality from Venezuela
also also I love that Carl is like a Guts from Berserk but waaaaaaaaaaaaay dark
Really good. Very interesting story that manages to keep building tension with one complication after another, and even though it's very sciency, that doesn't diminish the enjoyment of it if you're not a sciency person. It's a rather feel-good read that does a great job of evoking the feeling of overcoming impossible odds no matter what obstacles you face. Which sounds corny, but that's my best descriptor of it. Would recommend!
I finished Gormanghast v1
What an incredible group of weirdos
||She announced she would be leaving the party :(||
LotM 9 || Lovecraft quote jumpscare||
Children of Ruin p4ch5 ||Maybe Meshner still exists trapped inside his implant whilst the adventurers control his body, thats an absolutely horrifying existance if so, either that or the adventurers are just controlling the implant||
||I have to say theres not much book left, I dont foresee a particularly happy ending
||
Yay more children of ruin reactions 🎉
TCP 9/all ||God, it really feels like every chapter is used to its full potential. Things are moving so fast without feeling too rapid, just right to not be dragged out||
||also im really questioning my choice to like cardan last read through
||
||also Locke is starting to get into his shenanigans now...||
We will see if you've managed to corrupt me so thoroughly that I like him this time through as well
Good good
Ship of Destiny 6 reread ||you know I knew I hated Kyle but I am surprised how quickly I am being reminded why||
This inevitable ruin part 3 end ||EXCUSE ME WHAT THE HELL||
Ok I finished DCC 5
I like the audiobooks WAY more than the physical books
I'm just really annoyed that I can't get any of them from Libby
Im going thourhg DCC rn and i think the narration is the best part for me by far
Jeff Hayes is a master
The Ace hardcovers have exclusive content though
Book that wouldn’t burn has gotten quite interesting
The book that wouldn’t burn chapter 27.
Dictated a text with my speculation to my gf while in the car on my way home this morning and uhh… Siri as always certainly tried
Book that wouldn’t burn 27 || I think Levira may still be the woman Evar is looking for since she just aged 2 years. I think they may see each other time and time again as she grows older and eventually they end up in the mechanism together and Evar gets sent to the past. And Levira may end up trying to fix it. I think there’s a possible time loop thing that could end up happening especially because an assistant mentioned an eternal war or something.
Plus Evar traveled to Clovis’ past via a pool I think in the exchange. So I think the exchange does time travel stuff. There’s also note of different libraries across different worlds. So it could be parallel worlds or same world across different times. Or both. ||
Gotta love a book that establishes a good mystery or fuels speculation and has you like
Some comments my gf had made before I started the book have had me wildly speculating with each new nugget of information
You should be able to request that your library get them now! Matt Dinniman posted in the last couple months saying they’re available on Libby
where did you see this? The audiobooks are audible exclusives, I don't think libraries can ask for them
HWFWM 9 chapter 62-63 || of course Colin is the only apocalypse beast these messengers have never defeated. Why not. Lmao. Oh shirtaloon you silly man. But also Colin is a big ol lamprey faced sweetheart what’s there to be scared of?||
Yeah it’s a new thing. They must’ve negotiated something. Matt and Libby posted it.
Oh my bad, you’re totally right, didn’t realize that was ebook only
That was a big change too, but not as big.
yeah it is still nice cause my library went from like 3 copies of book 1 and 1 copy of book 2 to like 40 copies of all 8 books
but the ebook is more just a convenience to have to check spellings and details while listening to the audio for me
No, that's not true
They imply there are a few others that have been massive issues
But aren't named or shown on screen
Still
HWFWM General up to book 9 chapter 63 || I love shirtaloon, but to me Jason having the spiritual make up of an astral king would be narratively enough to elicit this whole response, enough people have already been freaked out enough by Colin that I don’t feel it necessary to also make him one of the beings the messengers are concerned enough to not use in their conquests||
I keep occasionally chafing against some of the “omg this has never happened before” of it all
HWFWM 9 chapter 64 || ruh roh. Jason can eat messengers and regain his % chance for star phoenix rebirth.||
HWFWM 9 64||Jason just be going om nom nom||
annoyingly, I think that's an audible exclusive problem
Yeahhhhh
Audible moment 😒
well you missed the above
they can be got by libraries now
might have to make a request
I’m only seeing the ebook available in libraries, doesn’t appear they’ve said anything about the audiobook
Just the ebooks
Which I did check out
But I still want the audiobook
Yeah I think they signed a pretty binding exclusivity deal. The Immersion tunnel ones are slowly coming out but those are radio play styled with less Jeff and more production.
I hate the Audible exclusivity agreements so much
It works too well
Keeps me coming back to Audible
fair, it works for the authors too, it can put food on the table for the unknowns
I see why it would be frustrating to feel locked in
J. Zachary Pike launched his latest book as a Kindle exclusive for a year because that seems to be a solid way to lay a foundation for future sales. You could get it via a Kickstarter before they launched regular sales but that was it.
I don't have an official copy of DCC 8 because I have the Royal Road one and I am not keen on it being locked to Kindle.
Any of the Abercrombie fans in here recommend this one?
yep
with a caveat: it's an excellent trilogy of books, but it's not like Mistborn where the first book is a satisfying standalone thing with an off-ramp
assuming you are up for a bit of a bleak story, it's got fun characterization and an interesting plot
I think of the trilogy as like one three-volume book, more than three books
Yes, yes YES!!!!!
Also, this
The trilogy is basically one massive book
Just trying to keep things realistic eh?
some would say so yeah
I've been wanting to start it but I don't see the moment across all my already started series
LotM 18 || consuming the potions and turning into a monster sounds kinda like Bloodborne ||
LotM 20 ||Dunn is forgetful. I wonder if that is an indication he transmigrated too?||
|| “I don’t drink coffee after 3pm because if I’m awake at night I’ll hear the demons 🤗” crazy statement buddy||
okay.... I have now read all the Hugo finalists for best novel
good year!! very good year
whew. and woo
Tier list time?
yes
and then I put that tier list into my vote :P
- The Everlasting
- Death of the Author
- The Incandescent
- A Drop of Corruption
- Shroud
- The Raven Scholar
I think this is what my final vote is going to be
and I really liked all of them
being better than ADoC is saying a lot
I love ADoC 😩 probably my favourite in terms of just, personal appeal
in terms of like, when I think about, "do I imagine this book with a Hugo", there are other things to consider
fair
death of the author is one of those ones that seems to be a miss with a lot of people
the goodreads description really interested me a lot
some people mention how they feel it's more literary than sff, and I get that, but I really really connected with the main character
I'm the only person I know who likes it, so take that warning
the everlasting and the incandescent are both things that i think would pleasantly surprise you in being a bit more than their blurbs suggest
I dnf'd Death of the Author 1/4 through, disliked it heavily 😔
I can see how it'd work if you vibe with the main character more than me
oh that's like even better for me? I dunno
Is it like
kuang's works
in that sense
then I'm very interested to hear what you think!
idk, I haven't really gotten into Kuang very much
I read the poppy war book one and that's it, babel and katabasis are still on my tbr
I wanna start Lamplight mysteries and then spear cuts through water
then prolly
also it's eerily similar to one of my sister's WIP. Time to rec this to her too 
oooh
I can’t wait for the Raven Scholar 2
This is one of the books i left on ch 5 last year when i was unable to finish anything
I really should get back to it
Assassin's Quest 17 ||Oh really, Fitz, what could possibly have given you away. Your noble ways? Your priceless earring? Your freaking huge wolf? Any combination of those along with the fact that the King is actively searching for you? Nope, it must have been Starling's fault.||
||I thought he had taken the earring off at this point||
Ty for this rec btw.
Shucks, its nice the ebooks are avaliable but the audioble exclusivity for the audiobook sucks cause they add so much to the story
Fifth season is so interesting and creative. With both it's magic system and writing style
||This is when he was sold out by Nik the smuggler. The earring was the payment. To be fair it probably was Starling's fault, because she encourages his greed for it by mentioning Chivalry, which was... bafflingly stupid. But when the betrayal happens all Fitz can deduce is that she let slip his identity during "pillow talk", because I guess Fitz isn't above a good old-fashioned Madonna-Whore complex? Or probably just jealous.||
Raven scholar at the bottom?? Ooo I am intruiged 👀👀
I bought it in November and havent read it yet 😭
With how great The Incandescent was, I'm really curious about the two above it now. I just got The Raven Scholar in on Libby yesterday but still have 8 hours left on The Book That Wouldn't Burn somehow
I've noticed that everything I've read by African authors so far has really slapped, so I'm super curious about Death of the Author
writes that down 👀
Granted I haven't read many yet, but they've all been peak even if one made me want to throw things
.... how dare I what? 😅
Same.
I can’t comprehend why HWFWM doesn’t have more cursing in it
It is by no means an all ages series.
Not that it necessarily means that there must also be cursing if something is “for adults”
Cuz the author probably doesn't want to have?
Or author probably himself doesn't like swearing
🤷🏻♂️ possibly, idk much about shirtaloon. I don’t interact with the wider readership groups
It’s just when saying crap sandwich takes some of the oomf out of a scene lol
Palimastis doesn’t even have any fun like fantasy curses
Like storms or blood and bloody ashes and such
I think for some reason F word takes me out of the story than other stuff nowadays
I guess the most fantastical one is “gods damned” but like I know real people who say that
Sure. It definitely does in stuff that is like. Pure fantasy
Like Tainted Cup had me getting used to with || How much Ana F bombs ||
Like the broken earth books have internal culture curses. But then they also say the f bomb
Which confuses me, either do one or the other
The only books that really balance it for me are the gentleman bastards books. And for me it’s because those books almost take cursing to a like. Artistic expression level
Hwfwm has the whole Litrpg pseudo isekai thing, so it just feels weird when the fantasy world characters basically just talk like Jason does anyway
Oh that's he who fight with monsters
It never ruins a scene for me, and this is 1000% the most petty thing I take umbrage with in the books. My other critiques are a lot more to do with the tone and stuff
Yeah. My bad.
It’s just such a long title I always default to the acronym lmao
My brain just goes on low effort mode with litrpg that yeah i am not affected by stuff
Those probably have more to give but they are my popcorn flicks
I am only familiar with dungeon crawler Carl and Hwfwm
Though some here have put cradle as an adjacent thing
Cradle is prog fantasy, not litrpg
That is my feeling as well
Especially when wight specifically announced he is doing his first foray into lit rpgs
Prog fantasy is superset of Litrpg
At some point hopefully after The Commander comes out
Cradle would fall more so on Cultivation fantasy
Yes, that’s how I was introduced to it
It's also almost a Xianxia, but such a western take on it that I don't like calling it one
My apologies for now abandoning this train of thought. But I work nights and it is almost 11 am for me so. I need to get to sleep before I pass out anywhere but my bed
Good night
It’s excellent
https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/82142940-f00a-4146-9af1-875b192f6102
I have no idea if this is going to be good but I need to try it anyway
Usha and Grey if it has Sir Cameron energy like I'm hoping do you want me to tell you?
I mean I'll also take it if it's still just a good fun gay time
14 weeks wait 😭
Legit might be faster to make a purchase suggestion for my local public library
Dungeon crawler Carl chapter 5 ||Im predicting a theme where Carl will get hella loot but never get pants or shoes no matter what
||
Also this audiobook narrator is great
Or I could buy it for $17...
I set myself a $30 book budget for the month and haven't used any of it yet
-# yeah it's the fourth of the month. What about it
I see it for 9 bucks digital
7.69 actually
Yeah but if I'm gonna buy a book I want it physical :P
Ah well
I have all that room on my bookshelves to fill 😌
Dungeon Crawler Carl ch 8 ||This foot skill message is hilarious||
There's something immensely unsatisfying to me about buying digital books. I just don't feel like I own anything
||Oh, it gets so, SO much worse.||
Hmm this is why I download and dedrm them
Well yeah I do that too
I have all my ebooks backed up in like three places
||I can imagine, considering Carl's lack of footwear
||
I barely buy physical so this is the support I give
My co workers urged me to listen to this book and I'm loving it
It's pretty good
I just finished 4 and I'm enjoying myself quite a bit
Oh also I finally started TMA due to the urging of my coworker and... It's really good
I have to manually skip the minutes of ads at the beginning, but the episodes themselves are great
Niceee
It's amazing
dungeon crawler Charlie Benante book 1 39 ||Yolanda died, poor girl, also HAHAHAHAHAAHHAA JACK NOW IS A RAGE ELEMENTAL||
Welcome! Also, I know @mortal mortar has been through TMA as well
I am approaching the very limit of of the bookshelf room I do have, so the physical space is reserved for absolute favourites now
fave authors, fave reads, etc
@raw musk Hi ... wait, what actually is TMA? I'm a bit lost here, tell me more!
I'm guessing it's The Magnus Archives
Sorry about that, thought you were a different Ene
@potent linden is the one you're thinking of, I think
Yeah...
I have also picked back up with my DCC listening after running out of Pathologic 3 lets plays to watch and I'm like a fourth of the way into book 6
I don't usually do audiobooks but it was impressed upon me that the audiobooks are really worth it for this series and I do tend to agree
yeeesssssssssssss
sadasjhdasljl for a second I almost thought the other Ene was an alt I'd created ages ago and somehow forgotten about, because that pfp looks kinda like one of our dogs, and my YT account is Ene of the Cosmere. hello other Ene, sorry for the mixup XD
Eneception
Yeah having tried both now the audiobooks win by a lot
They absolutely elevate the story, the books on their own are fine but I don’t think they’d be as popular with a ‘normal’ audiobook. And the author even seems to write with the audio in mind from time to time
sometimes it seems like he's trying to break Jeff Hayes
Welp
Tripped in the bookstore again
how much did you trip?
Saw this and realized I didn't have a single sapphic romance in my collection
So just a small trip (I still have enough in the budget to buy Bromantasy)
I wsa thinking of getting it... what I'm reading rn is kinda boring
Also went and bought coffee
It's a "treat myself" kind of day
Oh also the bookstore had this sign 
I also went and returned my extremely overdue library books 💀
Now hopefully they'll reactivate my account
I was looking for a quote but here's a clip of Matt explicitly messing with Jeff doing Donut lines in other characters' voices- https://www.instagram.com/reels/DMm_HhDI0bY/
Why does Thriftbooks hate my debit card ;-;
Its looking out for your bank account balance
HWFWM 9 chapter 78 || this Haliastur guy is tier one side quest bait.||
|| Naga genesis egg||
|| Is it already “arrogant and disgraced noble scion teams up with the baddies and gets in over his doofus head o’clock” again||
Where does the time go
Tom bombadil ass
Tbh his description makes him sound way more like a one piece villain
HWFWM General || also, assuming the occasionally mentioned tattoos that Taika has are Māori Tā Moko their continued appearance on his skin post several ascensions means indigenous tattoo work counts like a soul mark like Jason’s personal crest.||
you know @tight kindle I keep forgetting I got the Dollmakers short story lol
and so I keep forgetting to read it
I just moved it to my tablet
Maybe that'll make me stop forgetting, now that it's there with 300 hundred other unread books 😌
Anyone here read Impossible Times or Book of Ice series by Mark Lawrence? I’m finishing up Daughter of Crows and looked up his bibliography and I’ve never heard of these two series even though Ive heard tons about his others.
Yeah there a very clear exchange in PoH that is clearly a let's screw with Jeff addition.
PoH general ||It's the one when they are going through all of the hard to pronounce names because they have just encountered a new one. No way that wasn't the intention.||
Starless Sea, Ballard of Somon and Eleanor: A short lecture on the nature of time ||WAIT ARE THE KERPER AND MERABELL ARE FATE AND TIME||
Oh! You're reading Starless Sea!
i just took a tally of books i own but haven't read.... i'm at like, 141 BEFORE counting sequels (they're "in progress" and don't get a spot on my tbr) and the cheap/free romance novelettes i pick up from time to time
😬
REALLY gotta shear this down
Related to this but generalized for books. It feels so rewarding when the author gives just enough hints you can start putting 2 and 2 together before its stated
I don't even wanna look 
though calibre kindly tells me on my unread section
not counting print
my physical tbr is thankfully a lot shorter since i purged some years ago but it isn't zero
Stan why didn’t you just make a novel
Cause excelsior
DCC Ch 29 ||I love that there’s a canon reason why he still doesn’t have pants, it makes sense too xD||
Starless Sea, Book IV: Written in the stars||You did just bury your gays on me. ||
One of his superpowers is the ability to climb walls of text
Just finished Empire of the Vampire series. Pretty good but goodness are they long winded ||And yes, it's low key hilarious that it's on purpose. Blaming the characters!||
Cruel prince all ||I got to the coronation chapter and then had to go out 😭 ||
Oh brutal stopping place
Yuppp
One might even say ... cruel.
Dungeon crawler Carl ch 37 ||Damn Agatha a freak||
||I like how an old dude pissing in the hallway is the worst thing that can happen||
YOURE READING DCC
Yes yes yes. I am ok with being pinged for your reactions
Niiice
After which I’ll be immediately getting book 2 
I’m told they get progressively better
@tight kindle I might or might have not just read Bromantasy last night in one sitting
I had a lot of fun
It's kinda...
Bromantasy general ||It's kinda dumb in a fun way? Like it uses the typical "bromance" troupes in silly ways, also uses romantasy troupes and makes fun of them a bit (still using them), but the characters were slightly (not a lot) deeper than I expected, which was fun, so I had some tense moments. Also also, in this world there's no mention about being gay or not it seems there's no particular point about people's sexuality they just are, which was probably the coziest thing||
||Because of the name I thought there would be some push back from one or another character about being gay, but that isn't it at all, and I'm glad for that.||
They also get darker. Dinniman is a self described horror writer, who makes sense for some of the stuff that happens layer
I think most of all, it was exactly what I needed for my mood
Listening to the Blacktongue Thief and its read by the author. And sung. Christopher Buehlman has a lovely voice
He spent years on the Ren Faire circuit as Cristophe the Insulter. I got to see him once and he is quite the performer.
https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/taipei-story
Tickets for the book tour for Taipei Story are available. Looks like she is swinging through the US, Canada, Dublin, and multiple UK locations.
HWFWM 9 chapter 83 || YAAAAAY GARYS DOIN STUFF||
This is true
Why not?
In some cases cause it’s probably something they learned about by watching their sisters (or brothers or siblings I don’t judge.) who are in their 30s and read it the first time it came out
Cool!
The main character has no personality so readers can insert themselves into hot vampire romance
ohhhhhhhhhhhh

Also one must consider the time it was released, since it basically started Romantasy as a proper subgenre. It was the first work to exploit a profitable niche.
I think there’s a connection there but I think there might be a couple more steps before you get to what is now called Romantasy
It’s usually secondary world fantasy
@muted nebula finished book 1
||Love the achievement at the end lol||
DCC 2 ||Manager is very fun, but Mordecai is def gonna find out someday||
Bleh I've been sick at home so I haven't finished this inevitable ruin which I would normally listen to at work
Oh my gosh xD
From your description I'm very glad I bought it
I feel like 20-25 might be a bit high tbh. Like, im 24 and I only like it because I loved it when I was 13 😂
I finished Crypt Currency and it was a fun ride. If you liked the Dark Profit books you'd like this one. It's a fun fantasy parody of the crypto boom.
DCC 2, ch 10 ||City boss, oh boy||
|| BABABABABABABAABABABABABABABBOSSSSSS BATTLE!||
Lmao ok I need to read more Sapphic romance because this one immediately has me like 🍿
You are also far enough along now to catch up on the webcomic if you want visuals.
It's also got a prominent non-binary character which is nice
I'm realizing how little of that I have in the books I read
@minor sleet is The Devil She Knows heavy at all? It is tagged with lighthearted but since I know you've read it
No it’s not
The relationship and the girlfriend the main character is clinging to sucks but it’s not abusive. Just a crappy person
She shouldn’t roll the dice right into the minis
Cruel prince all/chapter 28 ||so, am I right in understanding that jude always planned on crowning cardan? That's my understanding right now.||
||which is really interesting as a scheme because that's 100% the obvious thing for her to do||
||it's like... we're being tricked into assuming there's a trick, but really the trick is that there isn't. Even though there are complexities to it, she is going with the obvious option, just not how anyone would expect||
||The trick is for the characters! Since Cardan wouldn't agree without being tricked. But yes I think that was always the plan. It's written in a way where it seems like there's some trick for the reader but it's all just to trick the characters||
||oh totally. I just find it interesting how the trick isn't her tricking them into some other secret scheme she has, it's just tricking them into believing she's not doing the obvious thing||
||the "secret scheme" is just, as you said, making them buy into a plan they wouldn't normally||
Jude! Jude! Jude!
I wonder what this chat's count here is
Many on my tbr, some on my shelf even, but only read 4
Mine came around 43. I thought there would be more
28
A Little Life, Animal Farm, Love in the Time of Cholera, Mrs Dalloway, Dune, Picture of Dorian Gray, The Stand, BNW, Old man and The Sea, To the Lighthouse, Madame Bovary, Never let me go, Emma, tale of two cities, david copperfield, Lolita, HHGTTG, Frankenstein, Catcher in the Rye, Monte cristo, Huckleberry finn, great expectations, Jane eyre, Crime and punishment, Brothers Karmazov, beloved, east of eden, Great Gatsby, Moby Dick, One hundred years of solitude, 1984, War and Peace, to kill a mockingbird, grapes of wrath, Pride and prejudice, Lord of the rings
Unless I missed smth
Man didn't even hear of MiddleMarch until today
otherwise I would have all of top 10 read
😔
You know what you must do
iirc my four were dune, frankenstein, animal farm, the secret history.
I need to lock in harder
You know what you must do
by book, definitely genre fiction
maybe by series itd be literary fiction
Man I don't feel like including Ulysses because while I did read it, I don't think I really understood/engaged with it
Like so?
