#Books (General)
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Fifth Season 22 ||I was surprised at myself that I didn't cry over Coru. But I knew it was coming tbh... enslaved Africans often jumped off of slave ships to die free over living in enslavement. This reminded me of that.||
5/5 book.
Hey theres an excerpt of Hundred Thousand Kingdoms in the back!
But I think thats... my favorite book, ever. Never have I read something that spoke to me so profoundly
I should finish that series...
Dethroned Eragon?
Can't blame you
Fifth Season is just that good
Fifth Season all ||By the way, have you heard of the moon?||
I think so. Eragon will always have a special place in my heart, and it inspired me to he a writer but this... it was so real and raw and hit home in every way I could have imagined.
||The crazy part is I didnt even realize the moon had not been mentioned ONCE until that line 😭||
Called it.
Im tempted to start book 2 now but ill wait until tommrow 🫣
But man
If Mr Chris released murtagh 2 right now I dont think even that would top this
I should read that series. I have book 1 on my physical bookshelf
The amount of series I have to read after Stormlight boggles my mind 😵💫
yes yes yes yes yes yes whenever you get the chance it is a MUST read!!
I can only imagine how the rest of the series will make you feel 🙂↕️
The feeling of a book 1 hitting you in the heart like no other is iconic
@wraith lynx Sooo what are your favorite books apart from Fifth Season? 👀
Oh im glad you asked!
- The Red Rising Saga
- Will of The Many and Strengeth of The Few
- Any book from the World of Eragon
- Stormlight, of course 🤣
- MB era 1 is really cool too
- Folk of The Air Triolgy was great!
Oooh never heard of Folk of the Air! Will put it on the TBR! What’s it about?
They've netted another
Gooood gooood
I’m a rookie when it comes to reading 🤣 The amount of books I’ve finished is tiny 😭
My favorites are MB Era 1 (especially Hero of Ages) and Watchmen
Also this thing
Eventually I might be the only person here to do a complete readthrough of Animorphs
I bought Will of the Many from my local used bookstore a bit ago and sadly I have so fsr done nothing with it except use it to raise my wristrest so I can play Cyberpunk 2077 a bit more comfortably
Obelisk Gate 1 ||NASSUN??
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So much for restraint
ASOIAF ||The ghost of Aegon the Conquerer talking to Maekar ||
Ohhh so Folk of the Air is YA
I have been meaning to put more YA on my TBR
Though most of them are series people have nostalgia for from childhood 😅
Folk of the air is veery good
I'm finally starting The Spear Cuts Through Water and man.
The way this story is being told is fascinating.
I've seen a few people online doing lists of 26 books they want to read in 2026. Might put one together myself
Ooh I love that book
I just added The Wheel of Time and 16 Malazan books to my kindle 😂
February wrap up, also read most of Tailored Realities but not technically finished since I didn’t read Mitosis
16 malazans 
So not just the main series?
Also idk people’s book tastes well enough to know who exactly would like it but general recommendation for An Arcane Inheritance it was great
my february
not seen is that I spent like half of the month on Reaper's Gale and havent finished it yet
Correct! 😂
I don’t have a february wrap up 😔
You can see the dip from my birthday weekend
- February: Godkiller, Hannah Kaner; Labyrinth's Heart M.A. Carrick; Ninth House, Leigh Bardugo; Grave Peril, Jim Butcher; Angelmaker, Nick Harkaway; Empire of the Dawn, Jay Kristoff.
How was Ninth House? and how was Empire of Vampire end? Unless that wasn't the end?
Without spoilers
I'm still reading that one. :)
Aaaah, I forget you do mark when you start not when you finish
Unrelated this is kinda funny
I must have read something in 2025 Feb that was particularly long?
Ninth House was ... ||there was a lot that happened at the end that had no foreshadowing and I don't really see how/if you were supposed to work out what was going on. And the plot pivots quite quickly at that point to be about something else||. But it was enjoyable enough, and I now know enough about the world for whatever RPG my friend ends up running set in a similarish setting.
-# Actual spoiler thoughts were here: #1404497733108236318 message
I see... I'm like, I like and dislike Leigh Bardugo all at once 🤔
That doesn't sound very promising though
I should finish Rule of Wolves one of these days 😩
I definetely won't read anything else by her until I'm done with that one
Rule of Wolves was one of my favorites in the Grishaverse
Interesting
I will read it, I just don't know when
King of Scars was fine?
I liked Six of Crows best of all I've read so far
Out of curiosity, i see you've used different formatting for the two names - is that book title in italics, series in bold?
That's how I tend to do it.
-# Unhelpfully in this case Empire of the Vampire is also the first book in the Empire of the Vampire series. :P
I don't usually make the difference for series but because of it being the first book ant the series...
Only 6 books for February
February was a much slower month for me than January
Oh right you sure did read fifth season too 😂
did you finish Livesuit?
Not yet. I’ve only listened to a few minutes each day. Planning on knocking it out today
Sure did lol
Paladin's Strength 💖
I gave Strength like a 3.5
My main complaint is that it could have been much, much shorter without losing almost anything
https://youtu.be/qQsezy3Eidw?si=UK18N5RzA4gPxwFX
Oh boy, this oughta be good. lol.
Shadow of the Conqueror is the infamous novel written by Shadiversity, a once well-respected sword youtuber turned grifter. His novel is an assortment of self-indulgent world-building, gratuitous violence, and unsurprising politics. It also has a lot of SA in it.
And I...read it all. God help me, I read all of it.
Thumbnail and Art by @thecr...
One of these days if i find a copy of that book i don't need to buy in a way that would give him mney ill read it to see just how bad it is
It's bad. I DNF'd after a couple chapters
The fact that he actually managed to get Michael Kramer and Kate Reading to narrate it seriously boggles my mind.
Oh noooooo. Hope they get some good therapy after such a traumatic experience 😭🙏🏾
Seriously though I’m shocked lmfao
Since that message I added the Farseer and Liveship Traders trilogies 😆
Political comments like these are not allowed
Oh, sorry
Finished Livesuit.
Started There is No Antimemetics Division and after the first chapter I am convinced I’m going to vibe with this book so hard
I read the original stories and they were great, so my friend convinced me to get the audiobook and it’s so good
Yeah it’s a really strong start! I’m hyped for it. Was already very curious with the blurb
Mask of Mirrors is about to reset my reading streak 😩
52% ||i was just way more impacted by Leato's death than i imagined i could or would be. this writing duo has some chops 🙏 but ouch||
Yeah
OMG!! Have you shared more reactions to this? And can you tag me if you share more? I loved the series, would love to see what you think
I just had one of those "huh I don't remember talking in this channel" "oh wait is Grey" moments 
You don't look exactly the same, just really close.
I wish she managed it. Imagine what she would’ve written if she had. And if she never wrote another word, 58 is still too young
You should read Bloodchild
My coworker is reading through her books
She’s one of the few author’s I’ve encountered who never had a miss
Le Guin is another, and Tamora Pierce, although I think it’s easier to have all hits when you’re writing for children
I think Le Guin was physically incapable of writing a bad story
She’s so prolific that perhaps if I get to her whole back catalogue. But so far, I’ve only encountered ones by her and that don’t resonate wit me
Like The Left Hand of Darkness. I can tell it’s still a good novel, but I don’t need to imagine a world where people do not have gender or one in which they change gender. This a is truth I understand more profoundly than Le Guin ever could or did
left hand ||I thought the left hand of darkness was good, but i didnt love it. I also thing the gender aspects are overblown in discussions bc of its novelty, the book is primary about nationalism||
Guys, I've seen an argument and the truth is that a doubt has been awakened in me 
I've seen that a boy around 10 years old is reading a book by Sarah J Maas, but there are people who are outraged to read it at that age
Do you think it's okay for someone to read those books with adult themes?
Hmm... my initial is no for sjm specifically, but I think it depends on a lot of context and circumstance
Seen where? Who is outraged
In another community I'm in
I remember I think bookborn did a video talking about ya and one of the things they mentioned was that "adult themes" are sometimes classed as such because of the lived experience needed to engage with them, and I think 10 is probably too young to have the understanding to engage with the adult themes of her work
The kid can read stuff and not understand it. They’ll be fine
The 10 year old is in this community?
But I think, for example, with maybe a parent or something who can help present it for them it could work
Or if they're just a very mature kid
My opinion is that telling the kid he can’t read it because there’s graphic sex in it is almost certainly going to make him more interested in the book
No, I think it came out of a post by X the initial discussion
That would’ve been my reaction anyway
So someone in a different community was upset bc someone on X posted a picture of a kid reading SJM?
Well, I already had a knowledge of those subjects when I first read it in a book by Dan Brown, and my father gave it to me 
When you read stuff that young if you don’t have the general concept of sex ed there’s just gonna be stuff you don’t understand and so you just move on
It’s not gonna break their brains
Hey, changing the subject, I'm about to finish reading the second book of WOT, and I don't know whether to buy the first 3 books of ASOIAF, or a case of the Red Dawn trilogy
And I don't buy the next book of the Wheel because I already have the first 6
Teen Titans pool party (from New Titans Titans #33, part one of the Judas Contract storyline)
Wow! Blonde/red headed Jason Todd. I knew he was occasionally implied to be dying his hair black but I thought that was a post-resurrection ret con. Also normal response to seeing Starfire on your front doorstep
Every single news update from the past two issues of this comic has ended like this. Is this what American cable news was like in the early 1980s?
They should’ve used this gag in the cartoon
Blatant copyright infringement from Marv Wolfman and Keith Pollard the layout artist and also from Changeling
Oh wow I really do not like that art style
Operation Bounce House 34 ||This chapter was incredibly hilarious and had me giggling||
Antimemetics chapter 2 was also a banger
Oh boy I may need to binge this book tomorrow before and after work 👀
Ooooh its amazing feel free to ping me for your reactions if ya want
Ya know I been waiting for a new book in the left handed book sellers of London series for ever. I should really check on Garth‘s progress
Hey has anyone read Magic2.0 by Scott Meyer?
If so please @ me
Oh man I love those books
I still need to read his other stuff
well I still wasn't quite ready to get back to mask, so maybe a quick sojourn back in the Cadfael series will suit me - ah, Stephen v Maud, that old chestnut
It's due out next year.
Operation Bounce House 53 ||"They tell the public its about terrorism but its about real-estate and money"||
I think this is one of these things where... The piece of context that is missing from your statement is the understanding that The Left Hand of Darkness was published in 1969 (57 years ago) when there were two genders and they were "man" and "stay in the damn kitchen"
And all that’s true, but it’s no longer how most people think about gender, even though who are not agender themself like me
agender hi five!
FYI, I've got what looks like the last part of the book left and I think I can see how it's going to end. Guess we'll find out in a day or two (depending on how many interruptions I get).
I've been in such a reading slump for real books other than uni stuff since the Olympics. I took a break and I've been having a hard time picking anything new up....
read watership down. or futuristic violence and fancy suits. or sixteen ways to defend a walled city, there's a book that sunk its teeth into my eyeballs
Read a figure skating romance to extend the Olympic feeling
I already reread The Favorites. And all of the others in terms of quality the others do not sound promising. At least my friend who’s read more said she didn’t like them.
And the other one that sounded maybe interesting wasn't at my librart
This is an issue with not having my books from home where I can just pick up something for a reread easily
Wow ok.... Dan Simmons died. Author of Hyperion. Not expecting that news.
Oh.
Sick
Ik right
I don't want any spoilers but also want to know what this means 
I guess I'll have to buckle down and read the 2 books
I'll probably not remember...
I wish I had liked book 1 more than I did but I also feel that I'll like book 2 more than 1 based on me hoping all the stuff I didn't like in book 1 is over
Though I expect the narrative device of ragdolling you through plot threads is still going to be there
But if I do, it's about something in the preamble to Part 5 that's sparked some thoughts.
If I read the 2 books in 4 days will you still remember? lol
Yeah, probably.
goes back to reading
This is very unlikely to happen but maybe I can give it a go
I was right about this, and the bits before.
-# Finished the book. My players are later than expected for tonight's game...
Le Guin also addressed the fact that she did poorly on the gender stuff in various interviews and in the updated afterword to the book I believe.
Her writing while always excellent and also evolved as she got further and further away from more traditional Boys/Men focused publishing practices.
You see this evolution in Earthsea too where the first was a boy's coming of age tale and the later books very much are not.
I'm torn between two offers. I'm not sure whether to buy the first three ASOIAF books, which I haven't read yet and which have a limited edition with tinted edges, or buy the RR trilogy. What do you recommend?
RR. Either one could be good, but ASOIAF feels more like a gift for someone and not for someone trying it out
Red. Rising!!!! XD
ASOIAF limited edition with tinted edges?
What's that?
Afaik neither the illustrated editions nor the Folio ones come with that
It's a new hardcover edition in blue, not illustrated, but since I always wanted to buy ASOIAF in a nice edition and it was only available in paperback, I never read it
Can you send pics
Speaking of ASOIAF, are they ever bringing out the books with the new covers in trade paperback or is that just staying as a mmpb release?
And now that all this talk about The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms has come out, and my brothers were watching Breaking Bad and it sparked some controversy, I want to read the books and then watch the series, but I was also about to start reading Red Rising
Ah, not an English edition
no srry 😔
Yeah then I'd go for RR
I may or may not have bought the box set not realising they werent trade paperbacks a while back, but if they arent ever releasing a trade edition then thats fine I guess 😂
I might swap them out for the trade version if they do though
ASOIAF is an incredibly detailed series with some very subtle and intentional wording in places for great foreshadowing and bonkers theorycrafting
I highly highly highly recommend reading it in English
RR is not that serious
because these are so nice, I want them big!
Love the first one
The books two and three covers are so clearly accidentally swapped though lol
Like even without the stag and lion imagery swap there's no reason ||the comet|| should be on book 3 instead of 2
Is it true that many people consider the third book to be the best?
yes
I plan to read up to the third book because some people say that's where an arc ends
fair but
something like WaT
book 4 especially deals very well with the fallout of the war
of the legacy of both good and bad people
So, you'd recommend I read them all?
in the same way that A Soldier's Prayer/Return of the King and Matrix Revolutions are both endings, I suppose
I recommend at least giving book 4 a chance
Oh these are gorgeous
I mean, it's been a decade and a half since the last book, And to see or read The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, would I have to read them all?
you don't need to read anything beforehand for AKOTSK
:0
My brothers don't read, so they're waiting for me to read this before watching Game of Thrones. They want to know why it's competing with Breaking Bad because of the controversy
There are trade ones of this cover
Vs
Ah amazon USA, might be worth a go anyway though
It was the end, btw.
I'm working on one! and I've heard of others having done it. though I'm not very far in yet lol
Antimemetics Division 3 || Hilton. Appendages. Oooooo this is fun stuff ||
Obelisk Gate 5 ||Ah. I know these games now. I already know the cute brown girl pov will have the horrors Miss NK 🥴||
||also JEEZ Jija is such a bum I cant wait for Essun or Nassun to kill him||
Is Obelisk gate the sequel to fifth season?
It is
It is so peak Haze
My brother was working on animorphs the last time we talked about books. I forgot to ask for an update when I saw him last year.
Aaaah I'll get to it... sometime...
I wouldn’t have known this was Zatanna if not for the speech bubble
I mean she lietrally has Z on her
Yeah but I’ve never seen her in an outfit that isn’t a stage magician get up
Titans make a dramatic entrance!
Oh that was just an example, I’ve seen them at Barnes and Noble and independent bookstores too.
Oh I do use amazon, though id like to peel myself away from them if I can, Im just in the UK
Amazon US would likely deliver them to me but Ill look to see if theres a better option
Wow the Young Justice cartoon did something waaaaaay different with Halo
This does not look like the same character at all
I’m writing down in my notes app what sci-fi and fantasy books and shows are priorities for me
It helps a lot!
I wonder what her backstory is like in the comics because in YJ ||A lot of their character revolves around being """"""""muslim"""""""" and nonbinary (the nonbinary part is done way better, that doesnt need to be in quotes)||
In the comics, Halo is a runaway/vagrant who died and fused with an alien and woke up with no memory
Hm!
So not that different a backstory but this Halo seems much cheerier
Also she has a better costume. The design looks like something could be easily modified into a more modest outfit for a hijabi character
Mhm, the design is genuinely really cool!
Just make it less formfitting, cover the hair, and incorporate the hair streaks into the fabric of the hijab
Ah thats so perfect 
The comic character had such a boring look. You can’t give a character rainbow light powers and then put the in drab grays and browns
So were comic halos powers more light/prism oriented?? 🤔
No, seven aura glows but they did different things. Also comic Halo’s eyes don’t change colors
I see I see, this is so facinating
I should have expected og halo to be a random white woman 🤣
If you want to read her stuff yourself it’s all in Batman and the Outsiders from the early 1980s. She hasn’t really appeared more than that
Makes sense 🤔
The changes they made to the character were hamfisted but presumably well intentioned
That said the show should’ve hired a Muslim writer, ideally a woman who veils, to avoid the hamfisted ness
As much as new Halo pisses me off, I am willing to agree. Especially when they had to go back and try again for the newest season.... cue more hamfistedness but again, an attempt!
The Mystery Knight ||I figured out the Maynard Plumm twist literally like 2 pages before it was revealed lol||
In general I tend to see a lot of non Muslims struggle to write Muslim characters. They either go too far left and make characters do things unislamic or too far right and shove silent hijabis in the background... :/
AKOTSK (book) ||Cracking end, not sure which of the Dunk and Egg stories is my favorite||
I’ve noticed this. They don’t let the characters simply be people
Yeah, and its fustrating! Its why ive kind of given up on muslim rep in books? Not really with tv shows (even if most of them resort to option b: silent hijabi) 😒
-# dont even get me started on hoping for a black Muslim, I gave up on that for any medium a long time ago
Well no, its class of 2025 because thats the year I graduated college 😂💕
I’m pretty sure one of the human antagonists from Castlevania is a black Muslim man but then Isaac isn’t exactly positive representation
I did really like him but also he was going around raising devils in defiance of god which I’m pretty sure is as anathema to Islam as it is to Christianity
Oh! Cosmic! Have you ever read any of the Kamala Khan/Ms Marvel comics. The original ones from 2014?
The first issue ends with a quote from the Quran
Yeah... fantastic character! Dont love it on the representation side tbh 😭
But I wanted to read more into Kamala
Wow I forgot in her first few issues she was just straight up pretending to be Carol
True friendship is hating your friends awful parents
wait did Castlevania actually have the straight up real religions
I thought it was like "Doesn't This Remind You of Something?" pastiches
well its certainly had Christianity.
I think I'm mixing it up with Empire of the Vampire cause the premise is similar and that's fresher on my mind
City of brass though 😔
Well... maybe I should have some faith 👀👀
Yeah the first episode had Blue Fangs mocking a priest in his Christian (presumably Catholic but should really be Orthodox) church
yeah like I said must have been mixing it up with something else
Til he had a name 💀
Fan given name
I was gonna say more of a description than a name lol
Ah I see 😂
We have some brothers karamazov fans here right?
Seconding the Kamala recommendation! Her OG run is one of the all-timers! (Of course, once she got handed to other non-Muslim writers she’s gone through some dumb stuff too)
Also they actually do something cool with Black Muslim representation: ||Kamala’s brother’s love interest is a Black Muslim, and they directly address how they face discrimination from other Muslims||
Oh im listening???? 👀👀👀👀
Twelve months ch 14 ||"No rage flooded through me. No power kindled inside me. No magic flowed through me into the staff. And when my lips formed the word, “Fuego,” absolutely nothing happened. No power." That's just wrong
Poor Harry. There might be a supernatural element to his struggles, with the weird flying thing even Bear can't perceive, but it's probably only amplifying the problem, not creating it. ||
I just finished the Raven Scholar for a book club. It really surprised me how good it was. A layered story with good characters
I've somewhat-accidentally stumbled upon this short webnovel called They All Say I've Met A Ghost, and mannn what a lucky find
Incredibly funny
The premise is that a guy who does not believe in ghosts is hired to teach at a school for ghosts, except he keeps not believing that ghosts are real and thinks his students just come from difficult backgrounds
That's the only joke the book has but it's short enough and manages to vary it enough that it doesn't get boring
fun/10
I have access to my college library now and it is rekindling my passion for reading
omg there are a ton of english literature
idk if I am fit to read though I might wait a few more weeks
RR series all ||one of my irl friends was reading IG and said she was a bit unsatisfied with Cassius's death. So I told her that "theres more information later on that expands and recontextualises the moment"||
||she does not know that this information is, yknow, Cassius not being dead
||
late but honestly the part of left hand of darkness that stuck with me most was the snow
really great snow
RR series all || "theres more information later on that expands and recontextualises the moment" is my way to not spoil a character's fakeout to someone in the future. thanks ||
I thought it worked quite well
Let's just wish I don't have to use it on you
:kekge:
cuz it would defeat the purpose
RR series all ||Well sometimes there is just information that adds to the moment that isnt it being a fakeout!||
||I used that phrasing because it can be both so big as "he didnt die" and also something like, idk another pov of the moment or a flow-on effect and both work||
Hey Goro I'm trying to remember which book it was you recommended me
Was it The Stranger?
Or the outsider? or something like that?
If its L'etranger by Albert Camus itll be called The Stranger or The Outsider in english @snow vessel
The copy I have is The Outsider
Ahhh so they're the same book?
if its by Albert Camus then should be yeah afaik
I never bought it
||Offscreen deaths of prominent characters|| never count
Captive Prince is available 👀
I just started a non-fiction today that I really want to get through though 😩
We'll see whether I can hold out
I think I got my advisor into Adrian Tchaikovsky
My MA thesis was about a field hospital so when I saw a fantasy novel also set in one I knew what my thank you gift would be
He just emailed to say he finished it, got another by the same author (possibly in the same series) and that he’s been recommending it widely
Cool
Alright friends, lots of good book finds today! Tempted to get that Robin hobb triolgy ive heard so much about 👀👀
Assassin's Aprentice + the other two
The entire expanse series is here too! But im not getting those 😂
But also also the first Licanus... so many options 👀
Gah, gardens of the moon too! Man... I dont have the funds for this 😭
Do Assassin's Apprentice
Thsts what im leaning towards tbh
I was going to say that from what you've said, I'd grab that, for you
but I haven't read the first Licanus
Licanius is a solid and fun series but nothing in it shouts cosmic core imo
There was also foundryside but I know less about that one
Only one I’ve read from what you’ve listed
👀👀
Man its like every time I poke malazan you guys are like "you are not ready young one" 😔💔
it's almost like we also love robin hobb and think you should read her books at least as much

Excellent point pizza- alright 🤣
Fitz is cosmic-core
I might appear to be in the Malazan cabal lately because I've been reading it and kinda blown away by how impressive it is
But like
Hobb is tied for my favorite author
sighs yes
Fitz is my favorite ficitonal character and it's not a contest
woah really??? 👀👀
It's always been a tie
tied pizza
If multiple things are tied for my favorite I just refer to them all as my favorite and don't acknowledge the contradiction
There are like four different manga I call my #1 favorite
Hobb publishing rainwilds and being up there is a feat
She wrote Tawny Man
hyperbaric (or hyperbolic idk?) time chamber
Tawny man is goated
I got all 3, yipee!! XD
I think you would like Foundryside personally but I also think you'd like other stuff more? Can't say
foundryside has fun characters and a pretty fun magic system
👀👀
RotE ALL ||ne dies in the Tawny Man trilogy right? I forget which is which of the books featuring Fitz||
I wouldn't recommend it over or under Assassin's Aprentice
they're really different vibes
fyi cosmic [farseer trilogy general] ||book 1 does not have wolf content but i think you'll still enjoy it||
Thats okay, its not a requirement 🤣
RotE All ||Tawny Man is the middle trilogy for Fitz. Him being in his 30s, dealing with prince Dutiful, going to the Out Islands.||
I think Foundryside is probably a bit lighter
that's what I thought, spaceduck is correct in calling goated then
there was a solid period of time where spaceduck was enjoying the prior trilogies but not being like, completely blown away
and i kept telling him "tawny man is the part that's an outright masterpiece, tawny man fixes every issue"
and he wasn't sure if he believed me
Tawny man is amazing. Liveships is also great except that one time
spaceduck is a fitz and the fool hater so his RotE takes have to be vetted thoroughly
I tried Liveship many tiems and never got into it
Now that I'm reading the first trilogy I feel this will be different
Well, I've only read book 1 but I intend to read book 2... one of these days
This one.
Ah well, maybe next time 🤣
I think you would like the other 2 RJB series more than Foundryside
But who knows lol, all 3 are great
But they're quite rather different from each other (highly)
Speaking of which I plan to start The Tainted Cup as soon as I’m done with The Starless Sea
perches chin on hands
How are you liking The Starless Sea?
It’s really good so far
I’m a bit more than halfway through
Starless Sea general ||I love all the stories from in-universe books and how they’re woven into the main story
Also really like Zachary as a character
And the vibes in general are great||
Highly highly recommend not doing Licanius.
And also super highly recommend Hobb
Licanius was forgettable
Really? I'm reading The Tawny Man trilogy in spite of him. Wasn't a big fan of Farseer but LOVED Liveship
I think I slightly preferred the liveship books, but it's been so long since I read any of them...
I didn’t like Liveship
Friends I’m going through my r/fantasy posts and listing down the recommendations people give me
It’s so much 🫠
Just ignore them and read whatever I tell you
Go on…
Earthsea! Emily Wilde! Vorsokigan!
The Starless Sea :3
Earthsea and Vorkosigan are on my priority list 👀
I really wanna become well read this year 😌
Hmm I do like fairies. Gargoyles put me on
Diversity win! The cult of Brother Blood is not racially segregated!
I'm sure you can curate it after!
George Perez made her a model so he could draw her like this. Thanks George
Huh he was track and field originally. The football backstory must be a retcon
Oh it’s New 52 bs. That makes sense
Geoff Johns, when I get you within tomato pelting range, watch out
Richard Grayson!!!
@snow vessel it was The Stranger
I just realized I replied to you in my head yesterday and not in chat
New 52 was so strange
Because it’s like… there are some things that worked… and some things that were absolute dogcrap
(WonderSupes being one of the things that was dogcrap)
AA ||Wolf sad boy? Oh yes. ||
Distance has turned me around on AA. ||I never thought it was bad (and always thought it was great) but I do think it is VERY character focused and I read it at a time where I preferred plot-based stuff. Nowadays, I’d love it more if I read it again. Should probably reread before I continue with the test.||
Oh I am here a full day late because I have not been keeping up with this channel but hi, yes, I am actually even more Brothers K-pilled than usual and I've been thinking about rereading it sometime
It was coming up a bunch in one of my classes lol
The Starless Sea was the really good one people liked, right?
it just came in on libby
Mhmmm
The starless sea is such a good title
It is
Everything they did with Cyborg too
He was created to be a teen titan why are yu making him a justice league founding member. There are other black heroes to pick from
So DC KO ended
That was a comic for sure
Didnt find it aggressively bad but was definitely disappointed by how DC KO all ||little tournament arc this tournament arc had, plus the ending felt pretty unimpactful. Though supposedly the next crisis will be even bigger... we'll see||
DC KO/dark nights death metal ||also I swear this ending was basically the exact same as Death Metal||
||The next crisis is always bigger (derogatory) ||
||The next one will be the important one...||
That’s what they all say
DC KO All ||I think my biggest issue with the event is that it was marketed as a multi-round bracket-based tournament and we got only one real round of 1v1 fights||
||and 90% of the cast were really irrelevant||
I have finished the book i was reading in print so now I Wonder which to pick up next, could be a reread, a horror book, cl polk, or Amina Al-Sirafi
There's a few more options there I guess
Children of Time languishing in wait 😔
That's next but not from the print ones
Yessssssssssssssss
Ended up finding an audiobook for Sir Cameron on hoopla, it was very fun can see why y’all liked it
woohoo 🎉
Heretical fishing 1 ch 4: ||Someone's aware of cultivation and LitRPG books lol. Not sure what Zorian is a reference to though||
Obelisk Gate 9 ||I know i gravitate toward younger children in stories, but Nassun is my favorite character in the series right now. Shes so strong and clearly a victim of generational trauma. I thought I was going to vomit when I saw Schaffa show up again but... maybe the can heal together. I still worry, the last kid pov was full of The Horrors™️ 😭||
Also tee hee the titles are still so fun!
Obelisk Gate 10 ||snaps fingers thats the title of the book! 🫵🏽||
I am almost halfway done... 😭
Yippee!! 🥳
I gotta stop my habit of doomscrolling lmao. I wanna get to that level of speed 🫠
Tbh that is a yipee! Faster i get done with this and Stone Sky, faster i can get to PHM 🥰
For sure! I’m done making the lists now I just need to pick out what I really wanna read
What’s PHM?
Btw I have 230 pages left on Way of Kings 🥰
Project Hail Mary!
Oh nice! Heard it’s pretty good
It’s the best. One of of if not my favorite standalone sci-fi books.
I’m seeing it tonight!
Lucky
This pissed me off so you guys have to see it too 
The top is the original print of the Invincible and Spider-Man crossover comic
The bottom is the reprint that released a couple days ago
This is like
Genuinely unforgivable
Perkins of Portland ahh moment
They also rewrote it to plug Amazon prime and its shows
Apparently two more acotar books were announced
Part of me wants to keep going with the series again but I know it won't be a good experience
I ragequit halfway through 2
Part of me wants to be able to have more of an opinion but I know it'll just be a sucky experience. Book 2 might be so frustrating it's entertaining but it'll get old and then I'll just be annoyed
Strange
Everyone I know tells me it was honestly a great book
I... definitely disagree
Book 1 was fine, book 2 I have a lot of strong feelings about (lowly)
I haven't touched acotar, but I did get about halfway through Throne of Glass and it was a poor experience. Felt like two different stories mashed together poorly, and the dynamic of the implicit romantic pairings was baffling considering their context
ToG the series or ToG the book?
The book
Throne of Glass ||Like, being kept as a slave worker in an incredibly abusive prison camp for a year and then crushing on your warden is one thing, and was already a hard sell, its another thing entirely for this master assassin that was so absurdly accomplished at such an impossibly young age that nobody around her believes that the rumors could be even a little bit true to also throw a potted plant at a passerby who's talking about how she wants to get a political marriage with him so you can ruin her dress/maybe kill her if it falls on her, its a third thing entirely to be a refugee from a nation that was razed to the ground, dreaming of nothing but the destruction of the empire that killed everything you knew, the last bastion of a secret magic that not everyone even believes is real, with so much (Completely justified!) contempt for its rulers that seeing its king in person nearly causes her to give up on her life to attempt to assassinate him on the spot without a full plan of how to do that, knowing full well it would result in her immediate death regardless of how successful it is, despite her aforementioned incredible prowess and expertise... and then she starts crushing on the prince of that nation based on really not that many interactions||
I was also hoping to jump into Amina al sirafi soon but Howling Dark with only 17 ch done is glaring at me 😭
I think I'm going for something else first
But I've actually resumed Children of Time now
-no wot fan ever
I still found Crossroads good if not great. I do know most find it either ok or not even that. And even agree with the points. I just didn't feel the slog while reading it
I'm at the part where, Children of Time early ||they are getting the beacon signal and trying to figure out how to reply to it, then they send the solution to some math problem and the beacon turned off. Next is a spooder chapter||
Honestly I don't hate it that much I just thought it was funny that my mind read the acronym totally differently to the intention
I also immediately recognised the acronym
When I posted it
Btw @ivory cypress Wolf Worm this month!
But decided to not write about it because I was walking
Currently reading
Well I’m on chapter 20 but. This is what was in my photo album lol
Man this book is so good
Loved This is How You Lose the Time War, and this has that dna flowing through it. Obviously one of the writers wrote this but like
All the things that were good about TIHYLTTW come through in this book too
Really great prose work
my usual bookstore is having a stroke
well the usual one for ebooks
It's like "let us know how you liked Sir Cameron and we'll recommend you these books:"
Then it gives me an emotional war book and Brimstone
I have no idea why is it recommending me those 2 books 
or how do they relate to Sir Cameron
Maybe they have a knight...?
I can’t even think of a good enough connection to make a bad joke about that
Brimstone, i assume, it's just porn, like the first one, but I never bought the first one on this store so like (nor any other smutty book)
So Idk why it went there
I have bought Folk of the Air there I guess
The Wizard's Butler was a surprisingly good and cozy read. Some stakes but mostly living life and I liked it
The characters were a little flat, but still endearing
yeeee i keep looking at it on my calendar
I'm excited about it being a gothic setting
I don't think we've ever gotten this type of setting before?
Gothic 👀
the way I was just about to ask for well written gothic romance
I opened Discord to talk about wanting a gothic romance actually 
I doubt it'll be a romance
Most Kingfisher horror has like a very background romance or a hint at romance at best
Gothic is still cool!
yes, it will be horror
Obelisk Gate 12 ||If you told me a couple weeks ago id be rooting for Schaffa as he fought against Jija i would have laughed in your face 😭||
||and yet here we are||
||also obligatory Jija is a bum||
I can't explain why, but I'm enjoying Heretical Fishing more than I did Beware of Chicken, even though they have similar premises
Beware of Chicken has gone on too long
Indie authors who write chapter by chapter do not consider when enough is enough
I stopped after book 1 of Chicken. I'm only on book 1 of Fishing, but I want to keep listening beyond
Just finished The Starless Sea
Although the "... ? Is he stupid?" Is also a sarcastic quote that is used sometimes for very obvious things to intentionally show that people often take something that actually makes sense be stupid to them because they didn't consider a perspective or forgot a detail.
I was looking at Kobo ereaders because I really would like to move away from Amazon and my Kindle at some point, and the color one is only $20 more than the black and white one‽
That's wild
Also being audiobook compatible is wild as well
color eink has come a long way
I'm very satisfied with my kobo, very easy to upload epubs to it from my computer
What's the UI like?
I don't like the Kindle UI overly much
I would say it's pretty intuitive
there are some videos on youtube which show it so you can check those out if you want to get a feel for it
It's very simple
even new Black and white kindle with backlight is good for manga
don't even need color eink
and yeah the UI is intuitive
This author is using the term "eather" and I just can't even
Like, it's pretty good so far, other than that
I refuse to accept that Warriors is furry media
It technically isn't, but it is a step on the pipeline
Well cats have fur, right?
Oh gods, I haven’t thought about Warriors in a long time lol. I definitely had a Warriors OC as a kid.
Citation: all of middle and high school
Lol it definitely wasn't for me. Was obsessed with it in middle school.
Prove me wrong Neville would have been a better main character than harry
Are they using it in place of "either" or "ether"? 🤔
Ether/aether
blergh, that's annoying
This book dedication is "to those who put up with me"
march already so different - i've just finished my first book of the month 
If I ever wrote a book, which I won't, but if I did, that'd be the most fitting thing
What book is that?
"idk if this image is even up to date" hilariously not even close
it took until the THIRD look at this to even see the woman amidst the rocks ahfhdsakfjas
haha
I do not have enough bandwidth and even memory of the mainline series to engage with it well
But sure... Why?
Finished Teen Titans: The Judas Contract
I think I’m going to keep reading the New Teen Titans run, it’s fun and well written and I’m about halfway done with it anyway
Nice! I've only seen the movie but that was a long time ago
I saw the arc from the tv show but they really softened Terra
And aged down most of the characters
Heretical Fishing has been so fun. I particularly enjoyed the title for chapter 69. Nice
Antimemetics was very good. Waffling between whether it’s a 4 or 4.5 star for me. Really neat book. Very well done
Asoiaf all ||do u guys think book Jaime wouldve killed his cousin to get out of captivity?||
Ohhh my gooosssshhhh. A Flesh and Fire series spoilers, also hugely NSFW ||Oh my god. She's running around mostly naked with a broken glass dildo as a weapon. I'm in bloody love||
I know nothing about this series. Fully blind clicking so thank you for making me laugh like a maniac at this
||She killed at least two things with it||
||3 because I’m dying ||
It was freaking awesome
It's a random series I found while looking for something to read on Kindle Unlimited and it's really quite good and has some amazingly hiliarous moments
||She stabbed one jerk through the back of the head then castrated him with it||
||Sadly, he regenerates||
You know I think the author must have a dart board with ridiculous things on it and just use that to just be chaotic. And I respect it
hell yeah i love antimemetics
||that just means she gets to do it again!||
Finished up Sunbringer, and might dip into a Malazan for a bit.
Obelisk Gate 16 ||Hoa was the one in Syenite's Obelisk... that makes so much sense||
Haven't had many thoughts other than WOOOOO
Finally getting to Sunrise on the Reaping and Suzanne Collins is really hammering in how cyclical this all is
The characters and names and legacies recur from book to book
It’s awful
Like all tragedies are
Obelisk Gate 17 ||Im tired too, Nassun. Shes only 10 and she already feels so hardened. I adore her so much
||
Obelisk Gate 17 ||also her being fed up with Essun for tolerating a weak man in the first place is so... oooo the generational trauma is generationally traumaing!!! XD||
The series is so peak
okay, finally made more progress with Mask of Mirrors, up to 70% now ||Leato STILL such a gut punch, i can't believe they did this to me. i don't even know why i'm so affected. marie and alyc have the sauce||
aaaaaa
Grey, do you want an invite to their server?
Obelisk Gate 19 ||Dang, and I didnt think the titles would get better than "you get the band back together" but this one takes it 😂||
Also im less than 20% done... 😭
It has been 6 days btw 👀
I was there since the beginning and as long as you don’t scroll back in the chat, everything gets tagged. It’s just some of the way older stuff that isn’t.
LONDON—Calling for all hands on deck as he seized an armful of paperbacks, local bookshop owner Colin Mueller was reportedly scrambling to hide the classics Monday after he spotted filmmaker Emerald Fennell approaching the door. “For the love of God, please, someone grab the Jane Austens!” said Mueller, who jumped on top of a chair […]
starless sea 4% ||HMM!!!||
You starteddddddd 👀👀👀
I'm very excited to see what you think!
Welp, finally finished Pale after nearly 6 years. 3/5. (Pale) ||Incredible worldbuilding, mostly succeeds in cramming every Seal of Solomon style magic in one mostly-coherent whole, plus about 10 more magic systems. But was a bit of a slog towards the end, I wish the girls were aged up a bit, and|| (Wildbow general) ||the repetitive overuse of dialogue and white room syndrome finally affected my reading experience. It's taken me 10 million words across Worm, Pact, Ward and Pale to conclude that maybe unedited unreviewed webserials aren't my thing
||
Let's see if I can bring myself to sit through a chapter or two of merrick
Project Hail Mary lived up to the hype
||I'm afraid I'm going to catch myself saying "bad bad bad 😔 " a bunch 😅 ||
Gosh I am SO hyped to read it XD
I was checking how long til this part yesterday (and saw it was 4%) 
that's funny
PHM and The Martian were such fun reads
PHM was so good! And people seem to really be liking the movie so I’m very cautiously excited about an adaptation that doesn’t fall flat for once
I'm glad you all enjoyed it, but I found it ... mid.
And that’s okay!
This one took me too much time but I'm finally done with Twelve Months! One of the better Dresden books, but not the best one imo
Twelve months all ||The beginning was tough to get through, mostly because of the subject matter. After that, there was a metric ton of things to enjoy. Bear was awesome, instant favorite. Magic rituals were super fun. Seeing a more mature, somewhat more thoughtful Harry in a leadership position was one of the best things this book did for the series. Finally, after reaching his middle years and losing his best friend and lover, Dresden thinks about the consequences before acting! Which should've begun three books earlier, but I'll take what I can get. Mab was incredible too. Really, there was only one part of the story I disliked. It's Harry's relationship with Ramires. It oscillated like a sine wave on cocaine. One day, he treats Dresden like a dangerous thrall of Winter and the White Court who abandoned all his humanity, and the next, he helps him out in a fight and everything's fine? Huh? It didn't make sense to me||
Anyone who’s read Harrow the Ninth: Is it normal for me to have barely any idea what’s going on?
Like I kind of get some things but I’m generally super confused
Yeah that's intended
At what point should I start figuring things out? Cause I’m about 1/3 and still pretty lost
it is confusing yes
I guess I’ll just report back when I get further then
I'm quite fond of Artemis as well, even though it's arguably not as good
you are the first person i've ever heard this from
and this week is the next Rachel Neumeier drop on Patreon, Bereket
i can't waaaaaaaait
Amaze!
Artemis felt way too overedited
Didn't sound like Andy Weir, more like an imitation of Andy Weir
So i just finished the new dresden book twelve months and I can’t figure out who he is talking to in chapter 18. My guess is || murphy’s spirit||. Does anyone else have other ideas?
has already finished reading Twelve Months and does not want to give spoilers
I finished it
ah, ok. I had pretty much the same thought as you when I was reading. Here's a link to the message I posted after finishing the chapter: #1404497733108236318 message
sorry for my reading comprehension fail, lol. I am sleep deprived
but yeah, every time he's playing board games in his lab and talking to an unspecified "she", the identity of "she" is the same
You will be lost for a long time
I see the whole book as a bit of a puzzle
I just mainly want to make sure I'm getting "Part of the experience" confusion not "I zoned out and missed something" or "wait did I forget something from the last book?" lol
Yeah, it's definitely the experience
I think I had a whole little document where I was writing down all the weird stuff to see if I could figure anything out
I probably should be doing that but I think atp I'm in deep enough to just see what happens and then go back and figure things out
I can't promise I had much success, anyways
||the main one is characters seemingly appearing at random and later not being acknowledged as being present, many of who I am fairly certain are dead||
||Also the most obvious elephant in the room being the almost complete lack of acknowledgement of the previous book's protagonist (this one is so extreme it is obviously intentional right away)||
||Yeah Ramirez has been doing that for the last two books and it's really inconsistent and annoying||
HTN ||which characters are these?||
^ that's safe for you
||Abigail something? The older husband wife pair that died mid GTN? Also Harrow's "cavalier" whose name sounds familiar but obviously just kind of appeared in this book as if he has always been there and seems to just kind of awkwardly drift in and out of the story? ||
HTN ||that's intentional, and you are meant to not really know what's going on there||
||is this in the chapters with the slashed/divided icons?||
uhhh
idk
I'm audiobooking 4/5 chapters
most of this stuff I'm clocking as fishy it's just hard to keep track for sure
Ahhh right
HTN ||yeah there's some... unusual continuity with book 1, which is on purpose||
yeah I think since book 1 was a more staightforward read I wasn't prepared for all this going in lol
compared?
idk where that came from
Huh
Idk. I enjoyed myself while reading it.
Gonna try to make this as non-spoilery as possible, read at your own risk: ||there are two stories intertwined here, one is the direct follow-up to GTN and is told in second-person, the other appears to be an alternate version of GTN and is in third-person. Harrow’s cavalier is Ortus, he was another member of the Ninth House in the first book. He and his mom escaped with the ship Gideon had intended to use and then got blown up||
based on the first line not gonna read the rest cause it sounds like way more than Ive figured out lol
Fair enough lol
I did at least figure|| A. the POV differences are intentional and B. There is some level of non-linear storytelling or other timeline weirdness at play||
Normally I'm better at picking up on all of this stuff but I started reading this in conjunction with a bunch of other books cause like I said I didn't expect it to be this much of a thinker lol
Twilight Preface ||So im assuming this happens way latter and the 'death' is her becoming a vampire ||
Twilight 1||Ok it so plainly obvious as some one who lives in the PNW that Stephanie Meyer doesn't by hiw she veiws the rain as far worse than it is||
Been listening to the Housemaid. This book is actually wild
Got an hour left. Probably won’t finish tonight but this has been a journey.
starless sea 19% ||every time I see imagery like this referenced, I'm like - twin peaks??? 🤨 Dale Cooper is that you||
I should give starless sea another shot one day
I'm trying to read "The Worst Ship in the Fleet" because I heard that it was humorous and fun but I find I mostly want to smack the main character in the face and maybe kick him in the balls
^tags ||Okay I want to kick him in the balls less now, but I still want to smack him upside the head||
I randomly had a dream that we had an extended conversation over this scene lmao, I just remembered
okay made it to the halfway point of the starless sea 👀
anxious to finish it, i've found the momentum now. maybe a day or two more until i'm done
Btw @ivory cypress do you have any predictions for ||who the Rook is?||
Finished the Housemaid. Wild ride. Very fun read
Next up is Shroud by Tchaikovsky
Though Grey has me wondering about Starless Sea again
I was 24% through it when I just didn’t end up picking it up again apparently
Shroud is also good, but I prefer The Starless Sea...
Maybe I’ll revisit The Starless Sea after shroud.
We shall… sea
re: ||Harry and Ramirez||
||I actually really liked this aspect, because we finally are beginning to see the story behind the story||
My brain had been having trouble focusing while listening to books the last few weeks and I didn’t have that issue with the Housemaid so I’m crossing my fingers that it was just a very temporary issue.
Like I’d be listening and I’d have to keep rewinding because my brain kept getting pulled towards other trains of thought
Very annoying problem to have
Antimemetics was also somewhat better much of the time on that front
twelve months ||Ramirez is kind of the one character I kind of have some mixed feelings about on a bigger level, because he was one of Harry's more friendly connections on the White Council, who also got turned against Harry by a very significant event in his life that Harry still has zero knowledge of||
twelve months ||putting him in contrast against the more hardline elements within the White Council kind of shows both that he still isn't an idiot even if he has reason to mistrust Harry deeply, and it also shows a little bit of how the White Council is basically screwed||
RotE ||Is Fitz the least likeable protagonist ever written?||
RotE ||some would say that fitz is babygirl and/or blorbo ||
mask ||I think I'm just following ren's lead 😅 ||
What do these mean
How dare you
No. He's bad, but there are def. worse ones.
Do tell me if you ever are predicting anyone else.
I've read a lot of books. There are some who are close...Parzival in Ready Player One is the closest, but man do I hate Fitz.
twelve months ||I guess Ramirez' problem seemed a lot more personal in Peace talks and Battle ground than this book presented it as||
Twelve Months + Cold Case short story ||I mean, he had good reason||
but I like how in Twelve Months, ||he's also growing alongside Harry||
Battle Ground ||put a lot in perspective for him, I'd guess||
||I wouldn't be surprised if some of this was what Mab was hoping for in the first place||
Been a bit since I’ve read the books now but RoTE all || I feel like I recall him making a lot of dumb decisions, but I don’t remember him being outright unlikeable ||
I don't even know what the first two mean
definitions
RotE ||nighteyes is my blorbo ||
They’re fandom terms
codenames are you calling fitz The Worst in a loving way?
Blorbo for a character you really like, baby girl as an endearment for someone you are protecting/babying etc
No I hated him and the series and wanted to slap and/or shake sense into him
I am a very decisive person and there’s nothing that drives me more insane than characters who cannot commit to choices
I've never seen a better character than Fitz
Moiraine’s “take what you want and pay for it” is honestly the ideal character type for me
He is the most grounded, human, nuanced, realistically complex and flawed character I've ever seen in fiction and it's not close
That's not incompatable with him being so annoying you want to throw him out of a window. :P
He has literally never done anything wrong
Rote all ||when he tortured that guy, it was for feminism!||
Hope everyone had a good International Women's Day yesterday
r/raresentences
I would never willingly ... blorboing ... anyone.
You don’t willingly blorbo characters it just happens
then shouldnt he also be babygirl?
Make your poll allow multiple selection then
Everything he does is the absolute worst choice any normal, good person would make
it does
waow
Like what
Golden Fool ||let’s start with ignoring Hap for weeks on end while he struggles. Or, I don’t know insulting Fool every which way to Sunday. Or I know, treating Starling and Jinna like whores. Not following anyone’s advice and thinking only he can be moral and right. Should I continue?||
||hap was rebelling, fool was also being a jerk and an argument got heated, and he did not treat starling and jinna like whores? They just had sex?||
||starling was way worse to fitz||
Golden Fool ||The Hap situation was only ever going to be solved by Hap making his own mistakes and learning from them, Fitz was understandably busy trying to juggle a billion different things at once but I don't think the Hap stuff was actually going to go better if he was constantly coddling him. Both Fitz and the Fool were understandably unkind to each other because they had a natural clash of what each one of them cared about and wanted that was frankly inevitable. I'm not even sure what the specific point about Starling or Jinna is.||
||Starling was absolutely in the wrong as well, but it in no way gave Fitz the “right” to treat them as he did. And yes Hap needed to get himself out of his own issues but that doesn’t absolve Fitz from neglecting him for weeks on end when Jinna was pleading with him to discuss what was going on. And Fitz was way way way way worse to The Fool than the Fool was back. I’m not even getting into the Nettle of it at all. He’s just unlikable. Whiney. Indecisive. And tries to stand on a moral high ground he doesn’t have.||
||He also never learns from his mistakes and is the exact same person at 80 that he was at 8||
Blorboing as a verb based on what aaks shared doesn’t seem to make sense to me
Rand is my blorbo but Fitz is not for the same reason that I can’t stand Perrin
Redhead bias strikes again smh
So true
Fitz from RoTE and Adunni from The Girl with the Louding Voice are probably the two single best characters I’ve read
I’m just shocked at that. I can see liking him, I guess. But best characters ever…wow. Not even in the same stratosphere of hundreds of other characters I’ve read
The third option of "scared of seeing just how much of him is reflected in me (and not the cool/honorable parts) and confused at how to feel about it"
I didn't read RotE to see a character who deduces the optimal approach to every single situation and makes the right decision to create the best possible outcome. It's messy, it's human, and how Fitz handles situations is hugely dictated by his trauma, the way the people around him have used him, and the cultural norms he feels bound to. Plenty of situations where you can say "well, I would have just done this" and sure, but Fitz isn't us. When you look closely at all the factors that makes him feel the way he does, then it's a lot harder to say he should have just done different things, because that's basically asking him to have just had a different and easier upbringing. But the realism of all the ways his issues affect him is a big part of why he's my favorite. I've never been pulled into a character's own internal world, and seen their struggles through their own eyes and emotions, like I have with him.
Yeah when I say best I am thinking most human/most real feeling characters.
Like there may be really fun characters out there or characters I really enjoy, but Fitz has that realism factor.
fitz reads like an actual person, your mileage will vary on how much you want that
This just in, humans are deeply flawed and make mistakes in their lives
it is really interesting to read a character who is not forced to have catharsis and overcome all of their flaws by the whims of the narrative
makes you realize how much most characters are on rails
they are nervous in chapter 1, they will be not nervous at the end of the story. they start off as violent, they will end up a pacifist.
hobb throws that out the window
I've only read 1 book, idk if it's "the best character" both from enjoyment to writing skill, but he's really good
because, in real life, people dont always solves there problems. not every alcoholic gets sober. not every criminal faces justice. evolution is rare, and most people flatline once they get into adulthood
I definitely didn’t feel “one of the best characters I’ve read” after one book.
For me it was I think the summation of the series.
Like when I was done with it I found myself wishing I could just spend more time with all of the books’ characters and the world and see more of their lives play out.
Oh, I didn't mean it as a negative just that, I don't know if I would place him at the top, but I do think he's really good
I also think "well written" varies a lot on what you expect out of a character
I do like hypercompetent characters, which Fitz is not, but also a lot of hypercompetent characters are pretty boringly written so not anyone will do.
But Fitz does hit all of the right spots in what he does and goes through even with only one book
Yeah you’re good I got that much. I was just trying to also clarify my own context and views a bit
Like it took time to get there for me. I was a bit iffy on the series until about halfway through book 2 and then something clicked for me haha
But the views on the character work are for sure the result of looking at the series as a whole
Got me wondering now what type of characters I tend to gravitate towards or prefer. Never thought about that
I think it’s just fun to see different types of characters executed well
I think it clicked me halfway through book 1
Yeah I have only Farseer Trilogy but Fitz is up there for me as a character.
I keep thinking you are talking about my cat nephew (named after FitzChivalry)
Please show us the superior FitzChivalry
A red head just like his counterpart
Stone Sky 2 ||This chapter title made me laugh out loud omg 😂||
I finished Obelisk Gate yesterday
I have not finished a book that fast since Red Rising
loooove to hear it
Oh Grey im having a BLAST 🤩
Back in my day, we had to wait for the next book to be published
Oh that would have been agony 😭
Love to hear it bestie
Its a good book!
nods furiously 😋💖
Completely unrelated but what should I do first? Watch Game of Thrones or read A Song of Ice and Fire
I haven’t experienced a fraction of either
I'd say read because it's faster
I’m a Hunter x Hunter fan. It’s familiar territory 
and also the books are probably better anyway
and if you still want more content after you can watch the show 
When does GOT get bad?
Season 6, then it takes a nosedive in 7, then 8 is straight up offensive
Somewhere in season 7 and 8
You still have an incredible show for like 85% of it
Yeah but it also has || hardhome|| season 5
Yeah I think the good outweighs the bad until season 7
Same and even then 7 has some really great stuff
The best part of season 8 is the opening animations
Like I fully recommend the show
In Realm of the Elderlings, is Fitz any of the following?
6
13
2
Babygirl
I don't want Fitz to be perfect or optimal. I want him to stop whining about every choice he makes and the choices others make around him. I want him to stop making the same wrong choices over and over and over again. I want him to be interesting beyond his flaws. And he's none of those things to me 5 books into his story.
Then you are not gonna get much out of him
The entire point of Fitz is to explore his trauma
His flaws are central to him as a character
Actually I'm wondering do you enjoy Kaladin ?
I see both Fitz and Kaladin as similar characters in scope
SA all + rote gen||i think kaladin is a very protected character where is trauma and flaws never cause him to do anything the reader could conceivably disagree with. Which is not true for fitz lmao||
I love Kaladin because for all his flaws and they are plentiful, he grows and tries not to make the same mistake over and over and over again. I just feel as if Fitz makes the same mistakes repeatedly, knows he’s making a mistake, and then does it anyway. I haven’t seen any growth from him. He whines about his life and gets the idea of what he could do to make it better but then decides he’d rather be “moral” or stubborn or whatever you wanna call it and just does the same things he’s always done.
Describing it as whining about every choice he and others makes strikes me as a strange description. Like yeah, the story is about hard choices and difficult situations both ones he and others make, and it's gonna engage with the thoughts he has about both of those. Calling it whining has the same energy as the whole "Pride and Prejudice is just people going to each other's houses"
Gonna be honest here. I dont think Kaladin is flawed.
I'm not actually sure what the "same mistake" being described here is
SA gen ||He is basically perfect but has depression||
Stormlight general ||Hey he's occasionally kinda sexist which the story doesn't really engage with||
There’s so many…how he treats people. How he refuses to grow though the same mistakes keep happening.
Kaladin is far from perfect
Stormlight ||isn't 90% of the cast occasionally kinda prejudiced but the story doesn't really engage with it?||
See endnight, now you are getting it!
SA gen ||At no point during the story was i like wow, i really disagree with what kaladin did here that was a mistake||
SA ||Moash||
What exactly do you associate with growth ?
I dont even know what this is referencing
Not making the same mistakes repeatedly
Kal grows a lot then bc he doesnt even make mistakes once!
SA ||Letting him live||
This hasn't really clarified anything to me. I mean in the end it's okay if we disagree and we don't have to go point by point over every controversial Fitz moment, but I'm just saying, I still have no idea what you're referring to.
WoR ||What about not killing Szeth||
-1 mistakes actually lmao
I also think that Fitz is put in wildly different situations, therefore his engagement with them is different even tho he does tend to make the same mistakes
Kaladin kinda gets the same treatment over and over imo
WoR ||Even when Kaladin makes a choice that I know some people really disagree with, e.g. siding with Elhokar, the story doesn't treat it like an actual choice the reader can have an opinion on, it's just narratively assumed to be right.||
RotE ||How he treats Jinna and Starling. How he refuses to even consider the fact that there are people who now need to know his status. His entire relationship with Chade.||
spoiler pls
I can not disagree more about how Stormlight is written with regards to Kaladin
Rote all ||Ok actually how did he treat jinna and starling poorly? Like what happened?||
Please mark which series spoilers are for btw
I’ll get back to this when it’s easier to type spoilers on a laptop
Even this idea that a character needs to show some positivity to be liked I don't really agree with
Okay
okay phew I'm not the only one who thought PHM didn't quite live up to the hype 😅 though I maybe liked it more than you - it was good, better than The Martian imo. but I'd heard so much about ||how cool the aliens were and how interesting it got and then the book barely explored the alien culture. the biology was cool too, even without a particular background in biology, but I think the culture would've made it really hit different and it didn't quite. really most of the book was a good read but not quite as peak as I was hearing. but that's just in terms of expectations, if I hadn't gone in with expectations that it would be excellent then I would have been totally satisfied, I'm sure||
Claincy is right that ||bad bad bad|| is iconic though
I finished The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue last night and that one didn't quite live up to the hype for me either - I didn't fall in love with the characters that much. Bury Our Bones in the Midnight Soil was better, I might have liked Addie LaRue better if I hadn't read Bury Our Bones first 😅 but Addie LaRue still wasn't bad! I just didn't get that invested in the characters or feel the relationships much
I really didn't like project hail Mary 😭
I forgot most of everything that happens in it
another recent read for me was Hopepunk, by Preston Norton who also wrote a book I loved called Where I End and You Begin, and Hopepunk was also a fun read so that was nice
Not really because at least the adaptation has a great ending.
Besides, I don't think Fitz should be compared to Kaladin. Shallan however...
Comparing Fitz to Kaladin is so wild to me. Granted comparing any of Brandon’s characters to any of Hobb’s is wild to me 
I loved Brandon’s books but uhhh… yeah character is not the standout
Dang I definitely consider it a standout. For now at least, until I read other authors
I dunno. I read books for characters and I like them
farseer is my top series and Stormlight is somewhere around 10. I find both's character work amazing
I only say that cuz I started with Sanderson but haven’t read authors like Tolkien, Hobb, or Martin yet
I have read Moore though
I have read Tolkien. Don't find the character work to be a standout.
Martin meh. I couldn't go past first book.
Only Hobb is a writer there whose work I love a lot
I’ll admit I think I tend to be lower on Stormlight these days than people are on average here.
I also got back into reading via Sanderson
Yeah I feel like people underrate Sanderson’s character work and unnecessarily compare it to others. Feel like people forget certain series are out to portray different styles or arcs
Tress is my favorite Sanderson character probably
I think we are just on the other side of the bar Grim. I find Tress character okay and the book insufferable
Yeah for sure haha. And that’s totally okay
I have disliked Brandon's "plotting" and HoA hence was my least fav work of his. I rated it 0.5/5 iirc 
How about Abercrombie, Guin or Erikson?
Abercrombie is great. Character work is a standout
Erikson I dropped Malazan. It was good but I haven't been able to manage 1-2 hour of reading time per day nowadays and can't do audiobook
Guin I haven't read. Heard great things about
I’m currently on book 1 of Stormlight. Favorite Sanderson character rn is probably Vin
Or Sazed
Book 3 ruined Sazed for me
Mistborn has a lot of great characters it gets hard to choose xP
I am sorry but… that’s objectively wrong 🤨
hoA || His portrayal of depression was really half baked for me ||
I think book 3 ruined almost every character for me except || Spook ||
I think while I still very much enjoy the Cosmere and Sanderson’s work and I love the Mistborn series, as a whole I have just read so much other stuff that has really blown me away over the last few years
Goro I always find seeing you discussing HoA amusing just because of how incredibly different your opinion is compared to most
That’s how it be sometimes haha
That’s valid coming from a vast reading experience. I’ve only read Sanderson and Moore. My TBR is massive
Its just interesting to see someone hate a generally top-rated book
I'll make it clear tho.
I wanted to like that book
Really
I gave dnf'd it once, and then came back
I wouldn’t call my reading experience vast. But I’ve read a decent number of books over the last few years
Cbm it’s top 1 Mistborn, and top 1 Cosmere atm
There are others here who I would say have a vast reading experience, but definitely not me
It's just if I hadn't read Stormlight before, and if this trilogy was my entry into Sando,
I would have vowed to never touch his books again
That's how much I hated my experience with hoa
Mistborn will always have such a special place in my heart for getting me back into reading
My opinions on Brandon are complicated for that reason
Oh wow that was almost 10 years ago
Oh yeah I over exaggerated lol. Are you on goodreads or storygraph?
I have and probably will have for a long time a very strong attachment to the cosmere, because it got me into gestures all this. And I do like his books, but there tend to be things I notice that I definitely think are lacking a bit
Or some things that fall a bit flat
I'm hoping to do a full cosmere reread sometime soon partially for the sake of re-evaluating it all with a bit more experience (though my reading still isnt expansive)
I started on Goodreads and I’ve tried Storygraph but this year I switched from Bookmory to Margins. And I have been loving Margins.
I am… perhaps somewhat notoriously very anti-storygraph
One of his books is among my three top 1 books of all time so I am satisfied in this regard
Daaaamn okay to a lesser extent I have the opposite experience with Mistborn vs Stormlight.
Okaaay so I definitely don’t hate The Way of Kings, and got 200 pages left, but I think the slowww burn would’ve put me off Sanderson. If I didn’t read Mistborn prior
Not because I have anything against Storygraph mind you. I just… think the UX is very poor
Gosh I dont even know what my top 3 books are anymore
Its hard for me to choose less than 5
See my problem with Mistborn is it spends less time with characters to focus more on plot
idc about plot
I rarely find it engaging anyway
give me more slowtime with the characters
Be more self indulgent in that regard
One of the things I was disappointed in when I reread HOA was how few scenes ||Vin/Elend got together||
Ooo top 3 books…
The Girl With the Louding Voice and Homegoing are easily both in my top 3 and then it becomes really tough to choose a third. Sword of Kaigen or Children of Ruin would be the two first contenders that come to mind for that third slot
I appreciate Stormlight slowtime but I really want WoK Part 4 ||this bridgeboy to get out of the damn chasms and Surgebind ||
i like brandon but he's nowhere near top ten
none of his books are top twenty or even more, perhaps
also storygraph's ux is my favourite of anything i've seen so far
everything else is so busy, and i find that poor
I don't relate ig
I enjoyed that part a lot
storygraph's interface will work for me once it lets you view the list of books you've read in an actual list, like being able to see 10-20 them on screen at once as you scroll through
does it have that yet
Funny to hear from a staff member tbh 
i read a lot!
I dont think I have twenty books I'd put in a top 20 😭 At least not without it just getting to being a bunch of one series
I don’t 🙂↕️ which is why I’m really trying to get through Stormlight this year
Then read other authors
