Star Wars

[golden flame]

[TFA] ||it was a fun ride, but "oops, the Empire is back actually, and they have an even bigger planet-destroying weapon, and the New Republic is gone (if you even knew it existed), and the new Jedi are reduced to one hermit, and Darth Vader's grandkid is serving a mysterious Sith ruler, and Han and Chewie are off on their own again" is just like... why did we do any of that before then?||

[echo echo]

The ex post facto justification is ||Coruscant was too Imperialpilled and couldn't be trusted as a seat of government so they moved the capital||

[silk solar]

||you were worried about preserving coruscant||

[wispy vortex]

Yep, for literally no reason

[silk solar]

You know what is really messed up

TFA trailer is literally one of the best of all time

Sold us a bill of goods

[golden flame]

and then the rest of the sequels proceeded to treat each other with about the same level of respect, so in the end karma got it I guess

[silk solar]

Actual peak of the disney era

[silk solar]

This does make sense i just refuse to believe they thought of this at the time

[wispy vortex]

What about An--

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/fierce-look-cassian-andor-andor-determined-stare-disney-gif-17091797250961191980

[silk solar]

Read my bio please

[echo echo]

Hence "ex post facto"

Honestly the whole thing is ex post facto

[silk solar]

Ex post facto is the motto of the disney era

[echo echo]

||That it isn't Coruscant is not apparent from the film to begin with, and they circled back around with the Hosnian BS||

[golden flame]

perhaps the sequel trilogy is actually a modern art piece about the nature of meaning in a world where no impact lasts

[silk solar]

No this is the current spiderman run

Greatest piece of existentialist fiction in a generation

I am not kidding btw

[echo echo]

Paul 🤝 Snoke

[silk solar]

Get off my wattpad account kon

Also yeah

Snoke exists

I do think its sad the original trinity dont get a send off in a good story

[wispy lichen]

My take is they could still have published some novels under the Legends banner OR could do animated adaptions of Legends stories as a way of bringing up stuff from the past

But yeah they needed a blank slate to tell their own story in live action

[silk solar]

Well except for harrison ford i think he is ok cashing checks

[wispy vortex]

rip Sword of the Jedi

[silk solar]

I think they should have picked out some legends content to adapt into D+ shows

Heavily rearranged ofc

[echo echo]

They've done soft reacknowledgments

HTTE is the clearest example

[wispy lichen]

They still could do animated adaptions like they do with Marvel AUs

[echo echo]

KOTOR they went back and forth on but it seems to be basically-in now

[wispy lichen]

Honestly doing AUs isn’t the worst idea

[silk solar]

They would probably need to recast the trinity for age purposes tho which isnt the end of the world

[wispy lichen]

One off stories in their own universes

[echo echo]

They already have the Luke double from Mando

[silk solar]

You cant do AUs when the MU is drowning

[wispy lichen]

MCU tho

[wispy vortex]

We do have Visions

[wispy lichen]

MCU is also drowning LOL

[echo echo]

I mean it specifically has not worked for the MCU

[silk solar]

What if is fun, but it isnt a new continuity

[wispy lichen]

Zombies, Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman, Xmen 97 haven’t worked?

[autumn hemlock]

I think if it weren't for the fact that it's a lot harder to show supernatural skill in movies, there'd be a great Star Wars movie waiting to be made about non-lightsaber Jedi going around and pulling off nonsensical shots with blisters

[wispy vortex]

Speaking of, I cant wait for SPiderman Noir

Though thats not MCU

[silk solar]

Two of those are sony as far as i know. Xmen is a sequel and FNS is not a threat to the mcu. Spiderman is doing quite well

They would never adapt NJO for example

[wispy lichen]

Yea but they are all Disney+ animated shows that fall under a similar vein to what I’d envision doing for Star Wars

[silk solar]

That is direct competition

[echo echo]

If the canon were healthier I think it'd be fine

[silk solar]

Say what you want about the mcu, they do broadly have a plan at any given moment

[echo echo]

But you kind of undermine the point of having a canon at all if what has consequences is picked at seeming random

[silk solar]

Part of their apparent floundering is jonathan majors related

[silk solar]

Esp when that canon is an albatross at this point

Creatively tossing the sequels is the best thing

This will never happen obviously

[echo echo]

(There also is the whole anime Star Wars thing)

[silk solar]

I think that is disjoint enough it is cool

[echo echo]

I do think the ST will continue to be as ignored as possible

[silk solar]

That is clearly standard operating procedure

But soon films will come out after it

Interested to see the damage control

NJO will be a soft reboot i imagine

[echo echo]

They've been halfheartedly teasing a Daisy Ridley sequel but I think that's mostly so they can blame the chuds when they never actually get around to doing it

[golden flame]

Legends, Canon, and Drunk Tales

[silk solar]

If it happens yeah

[wispy lichen]

Ninth Jedi is getting a full series!

Exciting

[echo echo]

The anime Star Wars has too many dumb lightsabers for me

[wispy lichen]

The dumb lightsabers add to the fun

[silk solar]

Starfighter is later in the series right?

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/sinay-trigger-promare-stra-wars-yanis-gif-22902855

[silk solar]

Is that even what it is called

[echo echo]

I don't hate the Kylo lightsaber but that's pretty much the outer limit for me

I've lost track of Starfighter if I'm being honest

[wispy vortex]

I was cool with Visions, but then I watched the Twins episode and cringed out of existence

[wispy lichen]

The Twins episode is unique

[wispy vortex]

Starfighter is the only upcoming project im tentatively looking forward to

[wispy lichen]

Ninth Jedi was prob the best episode so I’m hyped for the series

[wispy vortex]

Someone needs to tell the writers about "show, dont tell"

[golden flame]

I don't know if I've heard about this, what's it called?

[silk solar]

There is some chart that has been posted before

[wispy vortex]

Star Wars Visions

[wispy lichen]

Visions

[silk solar]

SF is actually happening tho

[golden flame]

ohhhh that's what Visions is

thanks

[autumn hemlock]

Ah, but have you considered that the umbrella lightsaber is visually sick?

[wispy vortex]

Somehow better than the inquisitors

[echo echo]

Its dumb!

[silk solar]

Japan amiright

[wispy lichen]

All in progress things

[echo echo]

I actually do like the Inquisitor lightsaber

[wispy lichen]

Yeah

It’s so dumb it’s cool

[echo echo]

Ezra can get out of here with that dumbass blaster lightsaber though

[silk solar]

I dont think Lando happens

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-its-just-dumb-so-dumb-idiotic-beniot-blanc-knives-out-gif-27358272

[silk solar]

Oh this is why he was on that planet

[echo echo]

I think Lando's more likely than several other of those projects

[silk solar]

I agree!

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visions-star-wars-visions-star-wars-gif-23099823

Apparently KOTOR remake actually is happening

Which is surprising

[silk solar]

The Taika project: haha guys he could be talking about any of us

[echo echo]

A KOTOR remake has been happening for more than a decade now

[wispy lichen]

It got handed over to Saber two years ago and as of last year had high progress done.

Think of it’s development as starting 2 years ago lol

[wispy vortex]

I thought it got delayed, then killed, then resurrected, then killed again

[wispy lichen]

Delayed, killed, resurrected

[silk solar]

Just like my marriage

[wispy lichen]

Currently actually in progress

[echo echo]

There's conflicting reports on this

[wispy lichen]

Which is crazy to say

[echo echo]

People insist its alive but leaks keep insisting its dead or dying

[wispy lichen]

It was explicitly dead

[echo echo]

No yeah I mean dead again at Saber

And/or dying but not yet formally cancelled

I don't know quite what to believe here because frankly I don't find formal protestations of its very alive thank you very much to be much more convincing than the stream of rumors to the contrary

[copper kite]

This movie should’ve been direct to dvd Disney+

[silk solar]

I mean i gave it a ||2/10||

it also is not worse than ep 9

[copper kite]

Ouch

[silk solar]

Grogu is bad bc it isnt the type of movie to end a 7 year hiatus. The reason there is a 7 year hiatus is ep 9.

[glad mason]

1/10 is crazy

I think for me to rate a movie 1/10 I’d have to show up to the theatre and not only is there not a movie but the director would have to show up and torture me to death

2/10 is if there is a movie but it’s a snuff film

Ros I would rate ||5/10||

[silk solar]

I mentally adjust your scores like ign’s

[glad mason]

5/10 means that there is a movie with competently shot scenes, the transitions make sense, the dialogue is a coherent flow of sentences, and there is a basic narrative that can be followed

[copper kite]

I am also going to adjust Camille’s scores from now on

[glad mason]

😭

[silk solar]

… so its a film

Tbc i dont think ros meets all of those requirements

[glad mason]

The dialogue one is iffy

[wintry lark]

That does not sound middle of the road. Or even 2 points down from middle of the road (since people usually treat 7 as average)

[echo echo]

My 0-10 is a matter of preference

5 is a "not the worst 90min of my life", 6-10 is varying degrees of "I liked it", 1-4 is varying degrees of overt dislike

By that scale RoS is at best a 2

In no small part because of how overtly insulting it is to the audience

[unkempt sail]

I think about it this way: I saw both RotS and CATS in theaters in Dececmber 2019. I've seen CATS 5x times since (at least 3 in theaters dragging other people), but I have yet to rewatch the sequel trilogy

[wintry lark]

lmao

[unkempt sail]

I do not find any plot or entertainment value in revisiting it

would much rather watch Sir Ian McKellan go "meow meow meow" lol

[echo echo]

How very Jebuspilled of you

[glad mason]

I hope you mean cats the stage performance and not cats the movie

[unkempt sail]

nope, I very much mean the naked-idris-elba version

I did also see a tour version in 2022 on stage, haha

[glad mason]

[unkempt sail]

I will probably subject myself to Taylor Swift's oscarbait inserted song for Victoria before watching RotS again

[heavy linden]

Apparently the box office for this is trending below Solo, not even inflation adjusted? If that was a bomb idk if that makes this one

[echo echo]

I'm not sure Solo was a bomb in the box office?

I think it did very middlingly but was received very poorly by audiences

[heavy linden]

Feels like there were a bunch of stories about how its underperformance got a bunch of projects cancelled or moved to D+

It was an expensive movie, though, in no small part due to the reshoots and firing of the original directors

[echo echo]

I definitely think audiences spooked Disney for sure, that's not in doubt

I also think they were expecting this to be their Iron Man

[autumn hemlock]

It looks like it probably bombed, with a budget of ~$300m and a box of ~$393m

[heavy linden]

Yeah that’s absolutely bomb territory

Not an all timer but on the top 100 list somewhere

[glad mason]

Solo was a perfectly aight movie

But I think it cost too much?

[heavy linden]

Generally they say studios want to double the production budget at least to account for marketing and such

So like, even if it cost 200, they’d be miffed

[quick ibex]

12m on a premier for a star wars movie

https://klipy.com/gifs/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh

[silk solar]

It was most def a bomb

Whether it made its money back on D+ is a question only the fates can answer

[silk solar]

I think this is basically my scale to

My rating average to a 7 or so, i think, mainly because of selection bias. When i watch things out of my zone the avg score sits around a 5

Most things produced are bad. Most things remembered are good.

[echo echo]

I don't know that most things are bad, I do think its a bell curve where most things are just kind of okay

[silk solar]

There is also a cost investment time thing for me. A mid 8 episode show is probably getting a negative score if for whatever reason i didnt drop it

Anything that stays a 5 or below for an extended time i usually drop

[unkempt sail]

DT1:O 2 ||aww, Gavin is married to a human- guess he still doesn't know Asyr survived :(||

[wispy vortex]

😔

[unkempt sail]

||I'm glad to see more of the Rogues though which makes sense with Stackpole in the driver's seat!||

[wispy vortex]

||One thing NJO does is give a bunch of authors the chance to bring their characters out to play||

[unkempt sail]

DTO 3 ||chapter's barely started but I can already smell the leftist infighting that y'all think Camille would like||

||oh good, Luke's having the children go back to class instead of being child soldiers like his father was||

[unkempt sail]

DTO 9, Rogue Planet ||a thought occurred to me- in Rogue Planet, the "cells" or whatever that become the ship latched on to Anakin and Obi-Wan because of their Force sensitivity (which is why Anakin attracted so many). Yet, the Yuuzhan Vong are seemingly invisible to the Force and that includes their biological living ships so... something must've happened along the way. Or maybe it's like Mara's mysterious spore illness which our galaxy hasn't detected yet?||

I'm also reading A Mercy of Gods rn so I'm also thinking ||maybe this is like a tree of life disconnected from our own and space fantasy doesn't have the technology to realize that yet||

[copper kite]

https://www.tumblr.com/charl0ttan/817327389277290496/is-it-good-when-this-is-the-best-praise-you-could

Professional Stochastic Feminizer

is it good when this is the best praise you could have used for your movie commercial...

Tumblr · May 22, 2026, 3:35 PM

[silk solar]

has anyone else here seen this movie

or is it just a fever dream i had

[wispy vortex]

Nope, just you

[wispy lichen]

Vector Prime all ||ugh I love the reactions to Chewie’s fate. Han’s grief and raw anger and Anakin’s misfortune at being the one Han can blame. It’s so tragic and interesting. ||

||and Jacen being there for Anakin despite their conflicts throughout the book||

[wispy vortex]

||They disagree, but theyre still family||

[wispy lichen]

|| they’re brothers And Jacen feels a lot more… sympathetic? Than Jaina is. Which tracks with how Jacen’s introspection / empathy is ||

[wispy vortex]

||But Jaina is still the one Anakin opens up to first, and both Jaina and Anakin expected harshness from Jacen||

[wispy lichen]

VP all ||yeah I think all three siblings are still finding their roles and dynamics in the narrative ||

[wispy lichen]

DTO 3 ||yesss it’s funny that it is exactly what she is asking for lol||

These books are so good

[bitter trail]

i choose to watch things i think i'll like

[wispy lichen]

NJO gen ||yeah it’s nice different authors had a bit of creative freedom to bring their characters in||

[supple star]

Just finished Mando and Grogu

I liked it, it was a very simple movie, but it was entertaining, and it had one really good sequence which managed to make me a little teary eyed.

||The creature design was great, and there was some impressive puppetry. I am really glad it is making a comeback.||

[cedar osprey]

I saw the Mandalorian movie

[wispy vortex]

Thoughts

[cedar osprey]

It was fine

Like a 6/10

[silk solar]

im imagining you made that expression the entire time

[cedar osprey]

It’s just like

Idk

Kind of a nothing burger?

I absolutely love when Star Wars does small scale stuff like Andor and even the first two seasons of Mando

But I think it’s kinda time to go back to the mythic space opera roots of Star Wars

[silk solar]

m and g ||i think it is less the small scale nature of it and more the fact nothing really changes even for the characters in the movie||

||but i do agree the space opera aspect is dearly misssed, especially for the theatrical films||

[cedar osprey]

I’m hoping Starfighter is a return to form but idk

Shawn Levy scares me

[cedar osprey]

||it’s a fun sci-fi popcorn movie but the plot is just… there, nothing really happens, the dialogue kind of falls flat, and it’s like there’s really no development for any of the characters, like “oh Mando is finally letting him fly the ship!” Is cool and all but this easily could have just been a three episode arc in the Mandalorian season 4 or something||

||I think it’s kind of my whole thing with the movie is… did this even really NEED to be a movie?||

[silk solar]

||no it really didnt||

[cedar osprey]

||Like THATS what frustrates me, this entire movie just feels like a scrapped arc from The Mandalorian season 3, but it’s still a fine movie overall, certainly not the worst Star Wars movie I’ve seen, I’d put it roughly middle of the pack in my rankings||

[unkempt sail]

DTO 14 ||putting Jacen in a blood red suit feels a little uh, foreshadowing||

Vague general Legends ||I know he turns to the dark side at some point because I guess Kylo Ren is a lesser version of how parental betrayal goes or something?||

[wispy vortex]

||Kylo Ren was just a really, really poor copy of Jacen||

[wispy lichen]

||Kylo Ren feels more Kyp than Jacen to me ||

[wispy lichen]

I agree tbh. We’re sorely missing the mythological epic feel

The closest has been Ahsoka but that’s unfinished so uh yeah

[cedar osprey]

I would ALSO argue Acoltye is pretty close too

But uh

So much for that ig

[cedar osprey]

TMAG ||Also, one part that annoyed was how they repeated the same lines of dialogue multiple times, like im not even kidding at one point they have Rotta do the whole “I’m not like my father, I’m my own man” speech and then 5 minutes HE DOES THE EXACT SAME SPEECH||

[silk solar]

||ryan, lets have a conversation real quick||

||this is not a 6/10 for you||

||its ok im here||

[cedar osprey]

||It is, I think some stuff works, but some stuff doesn’t||

||I think the action and the visuals are great||

[wispy lichen]

Acolyte had potential but felt a bit ||like thinking the dark side was edgy and cool? Which was a little lame. I did really like the Acolyte but it’s approach to the dark side felt weird. ||

[cedar osprey]

I kind of think what Star Wars needs most is a soft reboot

I’m talking a timeskip like 100 YEARS into the future

Tell a brand new story

[wispy lichen]

I partially agree but they need to establish what the status quo is first

Sequels ||does Rey succeed in starting an order? How is it organized? what about other surviving Jedi (Ahsoka, Ezra, Jacen presumably, Cal, etc.) What happens to the New Republic after the destruction of the First Order? Who takes power? What form of government is it? What about all the First Order remnants?||

these are things Disney needs to set in stone BEFORE a time jump

I personally would love to see canon’s take on the Old Republic era

[golden flame]

just canonize KOTOR as-is 👍

but yeah that sort of time gap opens up a lot of room for stories without baggage

[wispy lichen]

Do complete ground up remake graphics update for KOTOR and a brushed and finished version of KOTOR 2, then make the originally envisioned KOTOR 3

Disney I beg of you

The pain of one of your top video games being an incomplete game that needs a mod to finish it 😭

[supple star]

I think ||they did that to pull the rug out from under it in S2. The Sith are liars after all.||

||I believe that is the idea with the Darth Bane books||

[silk solar]

||will we finally get a crop of younglings that dont get unceremonially murdered?||

[silk solar]

it is a comic book situation where the status quo is both poorly defined and ever changing

SW all ||i would like to see them treat the post FO world like they should have treated the post empire world. build up a political status quo, show order rising from the chaos of the galaxy. have a fledghling jedi and sith orders both trying to exert control. have a clean trilogy of movies that move big events forward with tv shows slotting in between||

||kinda crazy that isnt what we got ||

[silk solar]

Im in a bit of a star wars kick so i will probably work through the live action stuff i have missed since episode 9

At least some of it

[upper tangle]

||The Knights of Ren are so sauceless and it makes me sad||

[silk solar]

||sw does have a history of introducing bad guys to just have them for a fight scene or two, but the knights of ren are one of the more egregious ones||

I think on a macro level has 3 current threads

||sequel trilogy. Basically dormant

Path of grogu. The mandalorian and book of boba fett. Currently rudderless?

Filoni’s wild ride. Ahsoka and the legacy of the animated shows. Building to.. something? Involving Thrawn? Unclear. ||

||Not sure where skeleton crew fits||

[upper tangle]

||Filoni's wild ride has been...wild. The Nightsister reveal has been, huh, okay.||

[echo echo]

3 macro threads, but a larger handful of micro threads just kind of doing their own thing than I think people realize

I'd also throw in High Republic as a sort of medium thread banished to be book lore for Disney to pick up whenever it serves them to do so

[echo echo]

It basically is canon

[upper tangle]

eh

[echo echo]

As far as I can tell Disney's mostly ignored KOTOR 2 and doesn't quite know what to do with SWTOR, but KOTOR 1 has been referenced enough that there's restrictions on how much they can even tweak it at this point

[golden flame]

neat

I haven't followed things closely, so the only KOTOR 1 reference I knew was [KOTOR] ||the legion named after Revan from one of the sequel trilogy visual dictionaries or whatever it was||

oh yeah and that some High Republic book mentions kolto

[upper tangle]

||Korriban shows up under a different name in Clone Wars||

[golden flame]

||was Korriban from KOTOR? I had always assumed something as big as the homeworld of the Sith would have been established beforehand||

||looking at Wookiepedia it seems to be from the Tales of the Jedi comics||

[wispy vortex]

||No, it was from Tales of the Jedi comics||

Damn it

[golden flame]

||I didn't realize/remember that KOTOR did invent the Rakata though, neat||

[upper tangle]

huh

[golden flame]

The Rakatans were first mentioned in the new Star Wars canon in the forty-fifth issue of the De Agostini magazine Star Wars: Build the Millennium Falcon, albeit only in its German release.
how did that happen 🤔

[wispy vortex]

Germans

[dry herald]

I would love some content on the jedi mandalorian war or the events of kotor

[glad mason]

@silk solar we were kinda talking about this but I feel like SW needs to get their basics (directing, acting, script writing, etc.,) in shape before they focus on any complicated ideas

[silk solar]

I agree

Continuity is an issue, but it is really only the sequel trilogy that is an albatross

[dense lance]

Do the "it was all a dream" thing

Just go full comic book nonsense

[silk solar]

I mean they basically did a soft reboot for things that havent released yet

Sw all ||the world is in the same place post ST it was post OT just with different character names||

[dense lance]

which pisses me off

[wispy lichen]

Yeah say what you will about the quality of Mando era stuff, at least it’s coherent in lore

[glad mason]

SW ||ahsoka’s very existence is not lore coherent 😭 ||

[wispy lichen]

If you’re on a real SW kick you should read NJO /s

[dense lance]

Filoni has opened the floodgates for timey wimey nonsense

[silk solar]

Dont push it lmao

[silk solar]

He should just send his favorite characters to a different galaxy for the ST and bring them back post

I will probably watch a non trivial amount of animated stuff

[dense lance]

Just do a parallel world that allows them to soft reboot everything

[silk solar]

I think that only works if they took a break

Which they ruined their streak with

[wispy lichen]

Break open AUs fr

[silk solar]

I will probably try

1. ahsoka
2. mando
3. acolyte
4. skeleton crew
5. solo
6. good clone wars episodes

In some order over some time frame

[dense lance]

The problem with AUs is that it will lead to multiverse nonsense. SW doesn't need Avengers

[wispy lichen]

I agree

[silk solar]

I dont think AUs work if you cant get the main continuity to work

[wispy lichen]

But then we have potential stuff like the Ninth Jedi show coming out

[silk solar]

ST is the biggest blight but its not like everything else is where it should be

[wispy lichen]

(Which is excitingly an AU)

[glad mason]

Didn’t they do something like that in Star Trek?

[wispy lichen]

Ninth Jedi is a unique case tho

[silk solar]

I think AU stuff is fine. I dont want an alternate continuity

[dry herald]

Have you done andor? I'd definitely recommend that instead of acolyte

acolyte was hot garbge imo

[glad mason]

Hey duck let’s do an Andor watch through

[silk solar]

Read bio

[dry herald]

Oh. I see

[glad mason]

The acting in acolyte was genuinely so bad

[dry herald]

And the plotting

and the pacing

and the characters

[wispy lichen]

I don’t think Acolyte was great but I do think it had potential and didn’t deserve what it got

[dry herald]

It just didn't feel like star wars to me tbh. Felt like they had an idea for a story that could've been interesting if it wasn't star wars, but just didn't work in it

[dense lance]

Still waiting on mainline SW media to lean into crystal purification as a method of attaining lightsaber crystals

Gimme a full SW Ronin series while we're at it

[glad mason]

The plot seems interesting but I genuinely can’t get over the line delivery in either Ahsoka or Acolyte

[silk solar]

I did watch the first two eps of ahsoka over the weekend

It is uhhh

A work in progress

Also i should watch visions

That is probably fun

[wispy lichen]

Visions is fun yeah

Check out Tales of stuff for other short episodes that are fun

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka || I do adore the Ahsoka show, but I’m not totally sold on Rosario Dawson and just think Ashley Eckstein’s Ahsoka was way better portrayed. So ironically, I loved all the characters in Ahsoka that weren’t Ahsoka lol. Kinda wish it had been animated, I think it would have come across better. ||

||I think Sabine, Ezra, Baylan, and Shin were the highlights||

||Thrawn needs work but they got a military advisor for S2 so 🤞 ||

[silk solar]

||my take through two eps is that this should be rebels s5||

[wispy lichen]

||yes absolutely||

||that is the correct take 100 percent||

[silk solar]

||it leads to this weird issue where there is all this backstory that we dont really get explained to us. I think the show could have done a better job of onboarding non rebels watchers||

[restive bluff]

||Between it being a direct Rebels sequel and the Mortis stuff + flashbacks connecting it to TCW I feel like animated would’ve made much more sense ||

[wispy lichen]

ahsoka ||this is also why it is a hard sell because it is basically a live action Rebels S5. Rebels fans want Rebels animation and voice actors. Non-Rebels fans struggle to care. So the audience is a bit harder to reach||

[silk solar]

||although sabine and ahsoka’s relationship was mostly in the gap? From what i get?||

[wispy lichen]

||Rebels is my favorite SW show so I take what I can get lol||

[wispy lichen]

Entirely

[silk solar]

||i feel like a flashback arc would be appreciated||

[wispy lichen]

||they’d say “just watch Rebels” lmao||

[silk solar]

||maybe it happens later but i think the beginning suffers for lack of it||

[silk solar]

||i mean specifically for sabine-ahsoka||

[wispy lichen]

Ah

Yeah

[silk solar]

||that is the only material i suffer from not knowing||

||which is frustrating bc it isnt in rebels lmao||

[wispy lichen]

Rebels Ahsoka Mando ||something else I think they need material in the interim to touch on is Sabine’s response to the destruction of Mandalore. HER ENTIRE FAMILY died. And we didn’t see it. And she was on Lothal. Like was there a conflict between her past identity as a Mandalorian and her relationship with Ezra? Did she feel more responsibility to Ezra than Mandalore? Was she guilty for surviving by prioritizing Ezra over her birth family?
And then there’s the interesting facet that maybe she is in a way detaching herself from her Mandalorian heritage to draw closer to Ezra and become a Jedi like him, honoring his sacrifice or their relationship or smth||

lots of interesting things there that we simply don’t know

[silk solar]

||can i get a sabine tldr pls 🙏 idk about any of that lmao||

[wispy lichen]

SW all ||so she really only appears in Rebels during which she is a fairly typical Mandalorian. She likes to blow things up. Over the course of the show, she and Ezra grow closer to siblings than anything.
At some point, she left her birth family (a major family in the Vizsla clan) and they became in service to the Empire. During Rebels, she convinces her family to rebel and help Bo Katan Kryze in retaking the planet Mandalore. It’s her big arc and she even wields the Darksaber before relinquishing it to Bo Katan. It’s a moment of reconciliation for her, as she returns to her Mandalorian heritage.
Later, she rejoins the Rebel crew for the remainder of the show, when Ezra gets blown off into another galaxy with Thrawn. We see in the epilogue she remains on Ezra’s home planet (Lothal), living in his former house and she is filled with a purpose that Ezra left her behind knowing she would do what she must for him. So, she has this burden of Ezra leaving her something to do (not knowing what that is). Rebels concludes by saying Sabine and Ahsoka are headed off to search for Ezra.

Now in Mandalorian, some years after they retook Mandalore with Bo Katan, Clan Wren (Sabine’s clan including parents, brother, etc.) are all dead because the Empire destroyed the planet Mandalore and that is all we know about what happened to Clan Wren. ||

I’m a big Sabine fan lol

I even painted a helmet to be her helmet

Rebels Mando ||oh I forgot she also made a superweapon as a child genius in service of the Empire before the massive guilt she felt drove her to remove all plans of this weapon and leave the Imperial Academy. This weapon was later reconstructed and used to devastating effect against the Mandalorians before she, presumably, destroyed it.
It is a common theory that the plans were somehow backed up and the weapon was recreated in the destruction of Mandalore (which creates another element to the tragedy of her dead family: the weapon might have been of her creation)||

[glad mason]

I think a SW live action show based on rebels is a hard sell tbh because while rebels is not a bad show it’s very child oriented, much more so than tcw

I think the way that Ezra and Sabine especially act comes off as very off putting to adult watchers

[silk solar]

ty 🙏

ahsoka ep 2 ||i think my primary frustration with the show so far is that the two main characters have all this backstory, but their emotional range is so limited it is hard to read what their actual reactions to moments are||

||when sabine goes back to train under ahsoka, im not really sure why she decided to or why they split in the first place||

||also was ahsoka made a jedi master at some point or she on that naruto arc?||

[wispy lichen]

||Naruto arc. She left the Jedi Order in the Clone Wars so she’s basically a wandering ronin||

[glad mason]

Naruto arc 😭 😭 😭

[silk solar]

||luke should have fixed that fr||

||i hope they play up the dynamic of ahsoka being a not full jedi and sabine being too old to be a padawan||

||neither of them are forklift certified||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka e2 || I agree for Ahsoka, but Sabine is an emotionally closed off person and I think her actress conveys well the deep emotions Sabine feels but refused to show||

[silk solar]

||one of them needed to be more emotive for the other to play off||

[glad mason]

Safe for duck ||I feel like Sabine’s actress lacks the physicality I’d expect of a warrior||

||also I don’t remember Sabine being closed off in rebels? She was very girlypop quirky as a character||

[silk solar]

Standard

This is the most fearsome warrior the galaxy has known:

[glad mason]

That’s slander

Luke in black leather in rotj was aura farming hard

[silk solar]

Revenge of the twink

Ahsoka 2 ||i do think the mandalorian aspect is underdeveloped so far||

[glad mason]

No but like it’s genuinely understated how aura farming can make a mid show good and a bad show tolerable

[wispy lichen]

Rebels ||she’s a bit punk rock, very rebellious, but in a way that felt like she wanted to be serious and guarded, but felt too deeply to truly not show anything so it leaks out or lashes out at times. It’s conveyed in sarcasm and small bursts of emotion||

[wispy lichen]

||it’s the contradiction of her character, she is both emotional and closed off to those emotions||

[silk solar]

Avg maul fan:

[wispy lichen]

|| https://youtu.be/2_22lsEs06s?feature=shared ||

||here is a good showcase of Sabine’s emotional volatility and attempted stoicness from Rebels||

[pearl fox]

Just general thoughts on Ahsoka TCW Rebels etc. specific to Ahsoka's character ||I really hated what they did with her character, especially in the live action stuff. With rebels I was a bit ehh about where they were taking her tbh but as with so much in this franchise it feels like writers were completely hamstrung, and then again with the live action stuff... but that also seemed such an enormous departure from the character I'd come to know and love through TCW so idk. And no offence to Dawson, idk how much was direction or her choices or all the makeup and I know acting basically alone in a stupid green screen environment is super hard but I did not enjoy the performance at all. ||

[echo echo]

||It was a level of collect-a-paycheck from her I'm not used to seeing, but I don't know how much of that is "I don't care" and how much of that is "I was given literally no direction to work with and the people pitching me on this project weren't persuasive about watching a children's show so I'd know who I was playing"||

||I do think her performance is outright bad and I don't think its just a writing problem though||

||Some kind of balance between direction and acting choices that I don't think we can know from the outside||

[silk solar]

||this is a consistent enough problem across live action star wars where i lean on the directing, especially because i think other actors in this show are similarly afflicted. ray stevenson does manage to break through and deliver some charisma, but i think this partly bc the character is so archetypical he did not need direction||

||ahsoka and sabine both have a remarkable amount of history that never makes it to the actor's faces||

||mand and grogu has a similar problem with every actor giving a phoned in performance||

||literally in jeremy allen white's case||

[echo echo]

I kind of wonder if Star Wars has some casting liaison somewhere telling all these actors who obviously aren't Star Wars fans that they don't need to do the homework

I don't need every actor to be a Star Wars fan, but I do need them to understand the place of their character in the setting

[glad mason]

I don’t think it’s a matter of homework, they’re not performing emotion on screen

[echo echo]

Right but why

[glad mason]

I think it has to be a directing issue right

[echo echo]

That's what we're asking

[glad mason]

Yeah, I just don’t think it matters if the actors (or directors or screenwriters for that matter) are fans or not

[echo echo]

If Rosario Dawson is being told "hey you don't have to watch seven seasons of a mostly-ass kids' show, in fact we'd rather you didn't watch this embarrassing kids' product, just go and do your thing" I don't think we'd get anything substantively different than what we got from her in Ahsoka

The vibe I get from her is, she wasn't sold on it artistically and she was told that the people running it weren't either and all they needed/wanted was her name and face

Kind of get a similar vibe from Pedro Pascal interviews about Mando too tbh, and always have

https://tenor.com/view/poe-dameron-heavy-sigh-star-wars-sigh-sighing-gif-26030273

[silk solar]

i think the star wars machine is also up and running enough where someone is going to come in and overrule filoni's direction

so if he is telling you its all good why dig any further

[silk solar]

my hot take is that some people in the production shouldnt be fans

david goggins never played fallout and its not like that hurt his performance as the ghoul

if anything it helped it

ahsoka ||i think there are multiple times in the first episode where someone should have raised there hands and said dave, whatever you are seeing here, it isnt on screen||

[echo echo]

I agree with the caveat that these people need to go the extra mile to understand the source material even if it Isn't For Them

[autumn hemlock]

Counterpoint: Some people in production shouldn't be fans at the start of production. By the end, they should at least be invested enough to be willing to be fans of the work if they ever find the time.

[echo echo]

Fresh eyes are useless if they look without understanding and that is an issue that has plagued adaptations and franchises for years now

[silk solar]

i agree, i just dont see that issue in current star wars much

much more of a marvel issue

[echo echo]

I mean I think we're seeing it with these actors at the very least

I suppose the biggest difference between the Ghoul and Ahsoka (for the purposes of this conversation) is that Walton Goggins isn't sharing the character with anyone else. If there's relevant backstory, he gets to film it

Do I think any amount of makeup and prosthetics would have made Ashley Eckstein a convincing live action Ahsoka? No, unfortunately I don't. Do I think Rosario Dawson has watched a single solitary episode of Clone Wars or the relevant episodes of Rebels? Also no

[glad mason]

tbh marvel and dc continuity is so convoluted it kinda doesn't matter

[wispy lichen]

I think a bit of both. People do look at SW without understanding but also we should have a variety of content. Fresh eyes are good so we can get things that are new and not the same old.

[wispy lichen]

The answer was to just do animation but that did have enough reach I guess

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

[wispy lichen]

I think the biggest problem SW has rn is an unwillingness to be experimental with the stories being told. We’re getting a lot of same old action flicks and not delving into the philosophical side of SW nearly enough.

[silk solar]

i do think swapping animated character to LA is particularly hard

in a way the other direction is not

[wispy lichen]

And the philosophical side will only come from fans because I simply don’t think non-fans can or will care about the metaphysics of the force and Jedi and such

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-luthen-mischievous-grin-mischievous-smile-gif-2210818574725060836

Imma run out of Andor gifs

[silk solar]

check bio!!!

[wispy lichen]

Andor is more spy thriller than metaphysical

And the philosophy of the politics while present felt secondary to the action sequences to me

[echo echo]

Metaphysics isn't the only branch of philosophy and Andor has a lot to say about philosophy

[wispy lichen]

Yea I said the philosophy is present

But even if Andor isn’t for me, I think we absolutely need experimental shows (which Andor is definitely one of) to reach different audiences

We need stuff on the caliber of Andor for other genres within Star Wars

[silk solar]

A franchise is in a healthy spot when you can imagine someone loving the things that do not appeal to you

[wispy lichen]

It is vital and good for a franchise as big as Star Wars to appeal to different audiences

[silk solar]

You say, reading from a pre written card, with andor fans pointing a gun at you off screen

[wispy lichen]

No, I genuinely do think there should be a variety of content.
I do also wish people wouldn’t like diminish all that came before in praising it tho. Like there is a lot of good SW out there even if people never read or watched it! And they don’t have to watch or read it, but it still exists. So I see a lot of blanket statements like “Star Wars was always kiddish and lame before Andor” or “Nothing in SW is good but the OT and Andor” and it’s like??? No. There is a lot of good stuff!

In other spaces I have been called illiterate for not liking Andor tho lol

[wispy vortex]

Not to me. The core themes are “what drives a man to rebellion?” and “what kind of rebellion is the right one?”

I found the action scenes to be all in service to those questions

[wispy vortex]

but it’s a tv show

[echo echo]

I'd almost be hard pressed to name more than like 3-5 action scenes across the whole series

[wispy lichen]

I think that’s fair but action sequences are boring to me personally

[wispy lichen]

There’s a few episodes almost entirely action

Andor ||I wanted to see Mon Mothma politicking or Nemmik ranting about politics MORE and wanted the action sequences to be over so we could get back to the political intrigue and philosophical arguing ||

[restive bluff]

That’s interesting because the main complaint I’ve seen from people who don’t like Andor is usually that it’s boring

[wispy lichen]

||like the entire heist episode drove me crazy||

||it was so boring ||

||or the escape from the prison. ||

[wispy lichen]

I’m the sort of weirdo who would love to watch Imperial Senate sessions

[echo echo]

||I'd be hard pressed to quantify the prison break as an action scene personally||

||More, people operating under the threat of it becoming such||

[wispy lichen]

||I mean it’s action in the sane way most prison break or heists are. The threat is being caught. ||

like for instance: I hate all spy thrillers

Cannot stand Mission Impossible, Jason Bourne, etc.

[echo echo]

Mission Impossible and Jason Bourne are overtly action films in ways Andor simply is not and is not trying to be. Has more in common with Tinker Tailor Solider Spy

Or like

[wispy lichen]

I think there are whole episodes that resemble spy action films

[echo echo]

Bridge of Spies

There's nonzero gunshots fired, but a Bourne film is mostly a string of car chases and fight scenes

Andor isn't anywhere close to that

[wispy lichen]

Like I think in S1 episodes 3, 6, and 10 ||we see a lot of action sequences and raids and running and explosions and things that just were so much less interesting than the politics||

||and watching week by week only to get hardly any plot development aside from action sequences that were boring to me drove me crazy||

[echo echo]

.....

I'm back to thinking we watched different shows

[wispy lichen]

Me too because there was way too much action sequences in Andor for me lol

Part of this is in the fact that Andor released week by week but had story arcs and ||when it came to the action episodes, it felt to me like an entire week wasted on what could have developed the story but we needed flashy guns or tense escapes or big explosions ||

[glad mason]

Andor s1 ||I watched the first six episodes of Andor and there were almost no action scenes? The ones that were there focused on the moral choices of the characters and not the action||

[wispy lichen]

Andor S1 ||e3, 6, 10, and 12 were all action episodes?||

[echo echo]

Yeah I just baseline factually disagree with that in general

[supple star]

I mean that is kinda the point for the structure, tension builds throughout the arc, then erupts into violence

I don’t think it would work without that release

[echo echo]

Which is to say, calling them such is a disagreement of terms wide enough that I don't think productive conversation is possible

[restive bluff]

I’d say those episodes were payoff for the buildup in the start of their respective arcs so they have more action than the rest but there are still enough other things going on that I wouldn’t say they’re “action episodes”

[glad mason]

Andor e3 ||like the main action scene in episode 3 is there to show how a) the empire terrorizes communities and b) how collaboration doesn’t protect you||

[wispy lichen]

||yea but the political sequences and dialogue sequences were so much more interesting to me so slogging through action sequences just didn’t work for me ||

[echo echo]

||I mean the violence in this context (and in nearly every context where violence is actually happening in Andor) is political in nature. It is politics, in its rawest form||

[wispy lichen]

||You’re right, it is political. That is true. ||

||I think what diminishes the entertainment value of action sequences for me is that I care about the effect that has on the characters and in their conversations and dynamics far more than seeing a sequence play out ||

[unkempt sail]

Husband, re: what Star Wars needs to do next: "Ahsoka season 2 needs to let Wes Chatham show his face and then be cool enough to get his own spinoff"

Alas I think he's getting the boba fett/phasma treatment of cool armor, little plot

[glad mason]

Something something political power comes from the barrel of a blaster

[echo echo]

Politics

[glad mason]

He’s trying his best

[wispy lichen]

I’ll step away because Ik people really love Andor and Ik people won’t agree with me

Just doesn’t work for me like it does for you all, but I’m glad Andor hits well for so many people

On a different note, I’m listening to ambient Star Wars music and man SW music is so good

[silk solar]

Shakari from M and G is actually an incredible track

would recommend

[wispy lichen]

My favorite non-John Williams track is from KOTOR 2

It’s Rebuilt Jedi Enclave. Another great oneis Journey Into the Starcluster from Rebels

https://youtu.be/__gLIyeQYDU?si=kj3xKS03eC9OB_LM

https://youtu.be/amKPH6DAnCA?si=JWY57ilgz5l2he5u

[wispy lichen]

Okay it’s actual pretty good. Didn’t know if you were doing a bit and this was going to be a Jedi Rocks.

[quick ibex]

andor ||I also think the action wasnt really well done at feeling that brutal to me tbh||

[wispy vortex]

Kevin Kiner’s Burying the Dead is my favorite

From the end of TCW

[wispy lichen]

Yeaaaa

That one is good

The Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor games have pretty good soundtracks

I love Hope Suite from Rogue One too

[weary pine]

The Hu did a great job with their Fallen Order tracks

[silk solar]

ahsoka ep 3 ||i feel like the training to fight while blind needs to be retired from fiction||

||im unclear how much a mandalorian upbringing sabine actually had||

||i dont think i have mentioned how consistently amazing this show looks||

||basically perfect star wars aesthetic||

||having this character wear her rebels outfit as a general is so baffling to me||

||this senate meeting is really weird considering a star destroyer was raided ||

[glad mason]

||sabine’s purple eyeshadow and wings 💀 ||

[silk solar]

||i was just going to send a message about that||

||the eye makeup in the show is crazy||

[glad mason]

||feels like filoni looked up “top 3 makeup styles that get you insta rejected from job interviews” and then combined them||

||also as an Asian woman, it looks like they didn’t know how to do Asian makeup||

[silk solar]

||also the green lady has makeup and i cant tell if it is a racial feature||

||or if she just goes crazy like that||

[copper kite]

https://www.tumblr.com/sistertaxon/817540182789193728/listen-i-hate-grogu-as-much-as-everyone-else-but

Can’t believe Pedro Pascal is complicit in this

[silk solar]

ahsoka 3 ||i feel like they dont need a scan to conclude what the giant ring is doing||

[wispy lichen]

||not a racial feature||

[wispy lichen]

||the New Republic senate usually actively sucks ||

Star Wars all ||plus it has First Order plants||

Resistance + Ahsoka ||this guy is a First Order sympathizer ||

[silk solar]

||why is that spoiler tagged||

intuitively obvious to the casual observer

Ahsoka 3 ||the space whales are based ngl||

[wispy lichen]

Resistance ||he is playing both sides of the First Order conflict as the Senator of Hosnian Prime (the Coruscant-lite that gets blown up by Starkiller Base in TFA and Resistance). Mysteriously “wasn’t on planet”. It was planned for him to supply ships for First Order in S3 before the show got axed. ||

[silk solar]

ty for the red circle btw

[wispy lichen]

Ofc

So many other people in the picture

[silk solar]

e3 ||i think the training at the start of the ep is the best the show has been||

||i wished they got off the beaten path with jedi training tho||

[glad mason]

Genuinely the makeup artist should be fired because her eyeshadow isn’t even on her eyelids

[silk solar]

||the face shield worked with luke bc he isnt a warrior and so he was uncomfortable just holding the stick. i think it would have been fun to see sabine pushed in a different direction considering she is martially competent||

[glad mason]

Like it genuinely looks like they just went through a checklist of “how not to do Asian eye makeup” and did that

Also they did not need to do her eyebrows like that 💀

[wispy lichen]

They’re so cool

[silk solar]

||listen im not saying i would increase my rise of skywalker score if it had space whales||

||but i would think about it||

[wispy lichen]

||Star Wars really should play up the whole space fantasy niche more ||

[wispy vortex]

||Space whales improve anything||

[silk solar]

ahsoka e3 || where does the map actually come from? like who made it @wispy lichen ||

[wispy lichen]

||unexplained as of yet but can be inferred later ||

[silk solar]

ty

||im also assuming you are ok being tagged. if not lmk||

[wispy lichen]

Ofc

[dry herald]

Ok, saw mando and grogu now

I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10 or so

Minor spoilers ||I see what people mean about it seeming like 2 episodes thrown together. Got about what I expected. Nothing amazing, but it was enjoyable||

More in depth spoilers ||I really feel like they wasted the hutt dude (forgot his name). He seemed like he had potential to be an interesting character if they let him develop more, but he really just felt like a damsel in distress type of character tbh. I did enjoy the part where grogu was caring for din for a bit though||

||Also, this movie makes me want to pull out jfo/survivor . The nal hutta stuff totally feels like an area you'd encounter in it, complete with giant beast fight. And I couldn't help but think of how the droid bodyguard guys would either be an amazing boss fight, or super annoying ||

[quick ibex]

god i hate ||the new republi lore in canon so muchhhh||

[wispy lichen]

Tbf in Legends ||the Senate also lowkey sucks||, it’s just in canon ||that leads to some pretty disastrous results||

[quick ibex]

im fine with ||the new republic not being functionign its just how they implemented it sucks||

||New republic lore is just a mess and im not a big fan of it tbh||

[silk solar]

||has there ever been a senate in fiction that didnt blow chunks||

[silk solar]

TFA ||boy do i have good news for you||

[quick ibex]

Thats part of my issue

[silk solar]

ahsoka ep 4 ||bringing jacen on this mission is objectively insane||

||like what||

[quick ibex]

now if I was put in charge of star wars i could fix all of this

[wispy vortex]

Nope!

[wispy lichen]

||she’s a single mother who can’t afford childcare 😔 ||

[wispy vortex]

||Isn’t this like half the reason the Rebellion keeps Threepio around?||

[wispy lichen]

Rebels ||chopper is not a good nanny. They should bring back the Alan Rickman droid to be a nanny||

[wispy vortex]

I’m sure Leia could share

[silk solar]

ahsoka e4 ||wait so ahsoka was involved in mandalore getting nuked?||

||is that why she and sabine split?||

||is that on film anywhere||

[wispy vortex]

||I don’t think so||

||what was the quote?||

[silk solar]

||"your family died on mandalore because your master didnt trust you" - lord bad guy to sabine when she has the orb||

e4 ||permission to drop kick jacen into the sun||

[wispy vortex]

||Im not sure, but I think Ahsoka didn’t let her return to Mandalore and made her continue her training.||

[silk solar]

||interesting, ig? i feel like this could be established cleanly with no problems||

||i did like episode 3 and 4 far more than 1 and 2||

[wispy lichen]

||this is my impression too||

||could be related to Sabine’s super weapon, maybe?||

[wispy vortex]

||I think it’s supposed to echo Luke’s mistake in Empire, where he left his training with Yoda to help his friends and got his hand cut off for his troubl||

[wispy lichen]

||yeah it’s implied there that is why they split, which is an extra interesting facet of Sabine brooding, living in Ezra’s home, wearing Ezra’s clothes, etc.||

[silk solar]

||wait she is wearing his clothes?||

[wispy lichen]

||her beginning clothes all bear high similarity to Ezra’s 💀 ||

[wispy vortex]

Stalker

[golden flame]

oh, Sabine is not Satine, all of this makes significantly more sense now

[autumn hemlock]

||Wouldn't be the first time someone moved into someone else's home and started wearing their clothes in Star Wars||

[silk solar]

||i ship it||

Ahsoka ep 4 overall thoughts||
ep 3 and 4 were significantly better than eps 1 and 2. something that i am thinking about is how much of an albatross the 8 episode structure. 4 eps is about 1 movie of content if you put together everything, But they need to put an action scene in every episode for some reason, and it takes time to get the plot going, which means there is one (1)
explicitly character focused scene which is in the beginning of ep 3. i would like to see this show extend every ep to 45 mins, and just add dialogue and character beats. Now, does it maximize the time it does have? not really. but you would need absurdly efficient storytelling to get everything across with this structure, and star wars is not and should be about efficiency||

||the fights in episode 4 were largely excellent. i think it has the best direction of the show so far. the space battle in ep 3 was whatver. i think it went on too long and was only there to set up the space whales, which i am sure is how the good guys are going to follow the bad guys to Galaxy 2: Too Far Away||

||I hope the anakin-ahsoka stuff feels like characterization and not nostalgia bait||

||I am also consistently disappointed that even in the republic era, every space fleet is a scrappy unique ship with an R2 unit flanked by 6 X wings, piloted by cameo characters and glup poopers||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka E4 ||yeah I think the story of this show has a good premise and good potential, but gets harmed by short runtimes and a short season length. ||

||meanwhile it has the most classic star wars feel. It feels almost like reading a Legends novel.||

[unkempt sail]

would agree with the Legends comparison, in that "oh this is probably a reference to something I haven't read/watched yet" was a frequent thought for me

[silk solar]

Ahsoka ||frustratingly the most important moment isnt anywhere!||

[echo echo]

Disney's approach to Star Wars TV does seem very informed by Marvel's approach to TV, which is and basically always has been overreacting to the tepid response to 13 hr+ long episodes/season in the Netflix days which tended to lose momentum in a serious way

I agree that they need to find a middle ground because these 8 episode barely 45min/ep seasons they've been doing across Marvel and Star Wars all feel rushed and half baked

[silk solar]

I know it isnt this simple, but length of a tv show should be driven by amount of story

Daredevil season 1 is probably better if it is 11 episodes instead of 13, but jessica jones should have been 6 max

[quick ibex]

I think the issue isnt episode length

its just not very good

[silk solar]

Sure, ig

But i dont like think about how to optimize everything. I do want to try and understand what realistic changes could be made going forward to produce better things

[echo echo]

I agree, but I also think if they're looking for a standard and 6-8 very short episodes weren't working and 13 very long episodes weren't working, mayhaps there's a middle ground worth staking out as a standard to work from that's gonna be if nothing else less bad more of the time

[silk solar]

I prefer 6-8 like this

Over 13 hours of iron fist lmao

[echo echo]

I can't think of a single 6-8ep season across Marvel or Star Wars I liked

[silk solar]

Fallout is 8 and i quite like that

It can be done

But most of my issues with ahsoka are independent of length tbf

[echo echo]

Fallout's episodes also aren't barely-40-min-with-credits-and-sometimes-not-even-that though

[silk solar]

Episode 3 is literally 30

That was shocking to me

Esp when the show is begging for more dialogue scenes

Ahsoka 3 ||i feel like mirroring ahsoka and sabine’s convo with a convo with baylor and his apprentice is the most obvious thing ever||

||adds 5 mins. Dont even need another set||

[echo echo]

Huh they felt interminable to me

Fallout is a show I can respect but it is very Not For Me

[quick ibex]

||With modern star wars they need need a set||

[silk solar]

it has pacing issues independent of the length

[wispy vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542066747382038532/1508983700866727977/image0.jpg?ex=6a178615&is=6a163495&hm=f8cf9795b8a9a627df669486d97acc9466febb7201a83b816ac8eaf0c1c5e405&

[wispy lichen]

DT1: O 5 ||I forgot how much I love the Ganner-Corran scenes||

||Corran is awesome in this book||

[wispy vortex]

||Hes awesome in every book||

[wispy lichen]

||I honestly like Jedi Corran better than Pilot Corran, he’s just such a cool Jedi||

[wispy vortex]

||I think pilot Corran is still a big part of his character as a Jedi. He’s still more action focused than Luke is, but with a sense of maturity and carefulness||

[wispy lichen]

||yeah he’s mellowed out a ton and grown wiser ||

[cedar osprey]

@wispy lichen spoilering for light EU spoilers and language ||https://fxtwitter.com/drawstom/status/2059322725735264686||

Tom (@DrawsTom)

Thinking about this Busted Ass painting of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade's wedding... why the fuck does he look like that bruh

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FxTwitter · May 26, 2026, 5:16 PM

Thought you might enjoy this nightmare fuel

[wispy vortex]

I have a sticker of their faces lmao

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-diesfromcringe-cringefromdies-gif-18240448913618646408

[unkempt sail]

"Mama is that a Star Wars book?"
Me, a little wary because kid can't read yet: yes, did you recognize the logo?
"I have a lot of Star Wars books"

(She has a bunch of the SW Little Golden Books)

technically has sat through the OT but I don't think she was paying attention. Mild interest in Young Jedi Adventures but that results in more "wait, but the lore..." from my husband

DTO 20 ||nice to see Jaina flying with the Rogues||

[unkempt sail]

DTO 22 ||global warming beetles!||

[wispy vortex]

Give her Last of the Jedi after showing her the prequels, chapter books that got me into the EU

[supple star]

Why does ||Luke look like Palpatine. And why is Mara’s face like that.||

[silk solar]

||somehow… palpatine returned?||

[glad mason]

White guy who overdid it at the tanning salon ahhhh face

[supple star]

Maybe ||Mara is into her husband looking like her old boss. She see a burnt wrinkled face plus a receding hairline and is 🥵||

[glad mason]

Mara was the first case of Mar-A-Lago face 😭

[supple star]

The worst part is all the other characters faces are also over cooked, but they look normal in comparison.

[silk solar]

Mara looks like the character accused of murdering her husband and when it is revealed she actually did it in the season finale everyone has to act surprised

[bright blade]

How is that a real cover? It looks so awful. The proportions of Mara's face are so off and Luke doesn't look remotely like Luke.

[autumn hemlock]

It technically isn't, what I could quickly find said it was an unused cover

[unkempt sail]

DTO 34 ||Fey'lya continues to be very face-punchable||

[quick ibex]

https://fixupx.com/StevenWallaby/status/2060074470220398971

Steven (@StevenWallaby)

They're gonna cook Baby Yoda like a rotisserie chicken tomorrow

Quoting Film Updates (@FilmUpdates)
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‘OBSESSION’ surpassed ‘THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU’ on Wednesday to become the #1 film at the domestic box office.

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FixupX · May 28, 2026, 7:03 PM

[glad mason]

Getting beat by a horror movie…

[silk solar]

Need to wait for the weekend really

But mando is def underperforming

[wintry lark]

Imagine telling someone 10 years ago that a Star Wars movie would get outperformed at the box office

[silk solar]

After a 7 year break

Really interested to see what the second weekend drop is

[vale dirge]

Maybe they should make Star Wars movies people want to watch

What if they made a movie that shows what happens right after Andor?

That would probably do well

[silk solar]

What about one in between ep 4 and 5

All CGI actors

Gotta find out how they got to hoth

I think that would be more significant than M and G

[wintry lark]

They could even lead it into A New Hope

[vale dirge]

Whoa, that would be sick. And maybe it could have a more serious tone? Maybe try to explore new genres within the Star Wars universe

But in all seriousness, my tastes and interests in media have changed over time, and right now I’d much rather have more Star Wars like Andor and Rogue One.

I have absolutely no desire to watch M&G despite having been huge into Star Wars at one point.

[wintry lark]

All CGI actors? That's going to be so much more expensive than M&G that the profit margin would probably end up the same

[supple star]

Yeah M&G is getting outperformed, but it’s is still going to likely make a profit.

[silk solar]

It isnt clear at all if it will

[silk solar]

This was a joke suggestion. I hate cgi versions of classic chatacters

M and G would need to make at least 400 million to be profitable. Some reports guess closer to 5.

It is still under 200 million and the 2nd week drop could be bad

[bright blade]

I'm still wishing for a movie or series about the Bothan spies mentioned in RotJ

[supple star]

I don’t really get those numbers. It had a budget of 165 million. I know that the rule is double that, but I have always found that to ignore the ways a movie earns money outside of the box office.

Most notably merchandise in this case.

[silk solar]

from what i understand mando in total was more expensive than the 2x rule implies. I see people use 2.5x more often nowadays, which is how i got to 400.

it is also hard bc no one knows how to convert D+ streams to money

everything added up it might make a profit, but that still depends on how the box office goes. and SW not making a profit at the box office would be disastrous for a lot of reasons

esp bc the same thing happened with Solo

[supple star]

I find there to be too many hypothetical to really estimate these things. The numbers are too easily manipulated when they are reported. And the goal posts are always changing. cough Variety cough.

[heavy linden]

I think it's something the audience doesn't really have to worry about or understand, and it's entirely possible for the audience to get misconceptions about these sorts of things, but on the other hand, executives generally do base their decisions around metrics like these, and even if the film technically makes a profit, that doesn't necessarily mean they're happy

sometimes 'to be profitable' doesn't just mean 'break even', but also 'the franchise is healthy, the executives are happy, and more projects are assured'

[supple star]

That is why if I hear reports that Disney is panicking because of M&G box office then I will know if it is a disaster. Because their perception on this is what will affect Star Wars going forward.

[silk solar]

the domestic (US) box office is really the only consistent way to measure individual film success, but it is a small piece

fan sentiment also does matter a lot. also if the budget was already committed for Mando S4, that matters a ton

[heavy linden]

I don't think Disney is necessarily going to 'panic' if Mando's sales can't beat Solo, even with inflation, they just restructured Lucasfilm and I don't think they're inclined to do it again so soon

[silk solar]

mando is also not a serious star wars film in a lot of ways

now if starfighter does these numbers relative to its budget

that is an unambigious problem

[supple star]

I don’t think Mando needs to beat Solo. It has half the budget.

[silk solar]

solo was a complete disaster

[heavy linden]

Solo was a crash and burn, though

[silk solar]

this will not be that under any circumstances

[supple star]

Yeah I think Starfighter is going to be the real proving ground for Star Wars in theaters.

[silk solar]

agreed

especially with gosling coming off PHM

cant blame him for a box office flop anymore

[supple star]

Starfighter seems to have a lot of potential, but it also has a lot riding on it.

[glad mason]

that depends on how much it cost though

[supple star]

So far it has already made back its reported budget of 165 million

[silk solar]

well, its shooting budget

not its advertising budget

and that doesnt account for the cut theater's take

[heavy linden]

that's a big factor, the theater's take, especially when it comes to international sales where that take is higher

[supple star]

True

[heavy linden]

advertising as well, of course

[supple star]

It is really going to depend on how bad the drop off is.

[silk solar]

if the % drop has a 6 in front of it, it is really bad

50 is usually what is expected

[heavy linden]

of course the estimates people throw out about what a movie needs to be profitable is just that-- an estimate, and the same number could be more or less profitable depending on where the sales are, for example the Warcraft movie did extremely well in China, but the studio gets a much smaller share of movie ticket sales from China

(I say extremely well but that's in comparison with its other markets, not like endgame or something)

[silk solar]

this is why domestic is far more consistent

[glad mason]

SW also generally has pretty low international reach imo

[heavy linden]

man I was just on a box office site and I didn't realize how big the dropoff was from TFA to Rise of Skywalker, not that it surprises me but no wonder Disney stepped away from making Star Wars movies for a while

[quick ibex]

I do think that if they wanna do more star wars movies that they might be forced to go into the andor rogue one direciton

[silk solar]

Ahsoka 5 ||hera is literally the worst mom of all time||

||i feel like ahsoka has the same emotional reaction to meeting anakin in a possible afterlife as i do when i run into someone i know at the grocery store||

[silk solar]

||i feel like the emotional context of this show is just broken||

||ahsoka finds out they lost sabine and is like meh||

||"Do you have evidence of imperial remnants or grand admiral thrawn's return"
"No"

YES YOU DO YOU LITERALLY SAW THEIR GIANT STARSHIP AND A BROKEN MAP WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT||

[silk solar]

||i for one appreciate the whale maxxing||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka 5 ||Now, I think Sabine is the best part of the show despite all the hate she gets for helping the baddies in E4||

[wispy vortex]

||I didnt like her acting, she felt like a completely different personality than in rebels||

[silk solar]

||see this makes sense as a character moment and the show should write more scenes like that ||

[wispy lichen]

|| it was honestly so based of her||

[silk solar]

||i do wish with those type of scenes they would go a bit faster||

||also her holding an orb at gunpoint was really funny||

ahsoka 6 ||i love ignoring the concept of fate in star wars||

||it brings me so much joy||

||her having makeup this good is narrative malpractice||

||the two villains are by far and away the best characters in the show||

[wispy lichen]

||It’s a shame Ray Stevenson passed away||

||will be played by Rory Mccann (the Hound)||

[silk solar]

||ray is killing this role. real sad we wont get to see what he would have done with it||

|| @wispy lichen did an entire ship get sent over at the end of rebels?||

[wispy lichen]

Yes

[wispy vortex]

yeah

[silk solar]

Wild

[supple star]

It is a pretty epic scene

[silk solar]

||ezra is a generational hater fr||

||sentenced this man’s entire army to the box||

[unkempt sail]

Hmmm, I'm curious about rewatching Ahsoka now that I've read the HTTE trilogy though I guess getting to the Thrawn episodes in Rebels will be similar

I was looking at the descriptions for Tales of the Empire and was like the Leo pointing gif when I saw a noghri mentioned in one of the descriptions. I know I watched TotE at some point but I do not remember this lol

[wispy lichen]

Yeah in Rebels ||Rukh is there the whole time and gets killed ||

[silk solar]

Who?

[wispy vortex]

||rip Rukh||

[wispy lichen]

An HTTE character

[wispy vortex]

Rebels ||Thrawn's assassin guy||

[silk solar]

What is HTTE lmao

[wispy vortex]

Heir to the Empire

First of the Thrawn Trilogy

[silk solar]

RIP

[wispy vortex]

A true legend

[wispy lichen]

It’s a bummer because he’s a Legends character that in canon ||dies well before the stuff he does in Legends ||

[silk solar]

Alright so i ill finish Ashoka this weekend and probably watch Solo. Any thoughts on what to watch next?

[wispy vortex]

What havent you seen?

[silk solar]

Any D+ show not named ahsoka

Solo is the last live action movie

I should probably watch 08 clone wars

Sometime

@echo echo demands a prequels rewatch too

Many options

[wispy vortex]

Clone Wars time?

Just remember, I loved the Clone Wars movie when I saw it for my 8th birthday

Pretend you are 8 year old me

[silk solar]

Smol Bean

I should watch at least the good episodes of the animated shows. That may be too much of a time commitment

Which sucks bc apparently that is where the best stuff is

Also is Skeleton Crew out

Has anyone watched it

[echo echo]

I couldn't watch Clone Wars without a watchlist

So much of it is unwatchably bad

[silk solar]

I recall s1 fondly

But i literally watched it as it aired

[unkempt sail]

One of my friends insisted we watch Clone Wars in chronological order and sent me a list someone posted on Reddit for proper episode order because I guess the first couple seasons are jumbled as George goes "hey, can we have a couple episodes revisiting X arc from Y perspective"

I think by the second half of season 3 things even out and we didn't have to jump around as much? I forget.

Ah neat, Star Wars themselves have posted the list
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

[silk solar]

SW Gen ||if mandalorian armor deflects blasters how did the clones beat them||

||or is that armor just super rare||

[wispy vortex]

||Rare. Most of the first season of the Mandalorian was about him trying to get enough beskar for a full suit||

[silk solar]

||what is up with these witches||

||i assume they are in clone wars||

[wispy vortex]

Yeah

[echo echo]

||They've been around for a good 40 years now||

[silk solar]

||timeline wise or irl||

[wispy vortex]

They first showed up in one of the worst books in Legends

Irl

Though it’s closer to 30

[echo echo]

IRL

No

Second Ewok movie

[wispy vortex]

That was a retcon

[silk solar]

||so are they just witches||

[echo echo]

||Basically. Dark side flavored but different than the Sith||

[silk solar]

interesting

[wispy vortex]

You get a good amount of them in CW

[silk solar]

ahsoka 6 ||the creatures of this show are really good. the turtle guys are great. i like that their houses look like them||

ahsoka 6 ||I already knew going in tha the reunion of sabine and ezra was awkward, but man it really lands weird ||

||there are so many emotions that should be wrapped up in that scene and i feel i got none of them||

[unkempt sail]

Going to try to finish Maul: Shadow Lord tonight- just have 9 and 10 left.

Not a spoiler: this show is so pretty, like every time there's a pan over a painted cityscape it's just

MSL 9 ||this feels like the logic puzzle of moving a fox, a chicken, and a bag of grain across a river when you can only carry two things||

||oh man all of Team Maul got eliminated||

GREAT final frame for that episode

MSL 10 ||I wonder if Daki would be able to recognize the Anakin in Vader, but I don't remember how many other Jedi clock him aside from Obi Wan and Ahsoka...||

||this escape from Vader is like a trust building exercise for Daki, Maul, and Devon.
Ooh, nice Duel of the Fates motif reprise||

[unkempt sail]

||hmmm, I think I'm ok with Vader having no dialogue and just being a menace. He's only one year out from donning the suit so why get chatty||

[supple star]

Yeah, it is probably my second favorite of the LA shows, behind Andor. Very fun, Amblin style story like ET or Goonies.

Jude Law does a really good job and the kid actors are good too.

[silk solar]

Did that get a second season?

[supple star]

No it is just one season, but the story it pretty wrapped up.

There is one plot thread of it which I hope they continue with somehow in the future though

But I don't think it got enought views for them to greenlight a second season, even though they had some ideas.

[bright blade]

Skeleton Crew was pretty good, but I feel like its ending was kind of rushed. Like it ended in the middle of an ending sequence with very little resolution. Made me wish there was more. Still a pretty darn good show.

[supple star]

It think the ending was good for the characters. But there isn’t much ||for At’atin as a whole or what the economic consequences will be. But I think a different story should explore those.||

||I do like that Jod’s story ends on an ambiguous note, and hope it gets continued somewhere else.||

I do hope that elements from it show up in other shows or it gets some books.

[upper tangle]

||Remains amusing to me that for a long time George wanted magic to be completely unrelated to the Force||

[silk solar]

ahsoka 7 ||why is this guy saying Objection this is not a trial||

||wait it is a court?||

[dull dust]

Idk why but my feed is 90% this guy slander rn

[silk solar]

||didnt they vote to court martial her?||

||"he made 20 or more of these recordings" what is this dialogue||

[quick ibex]

occasionally twitter obsesses over some random glup

[wispy lichen]

NJO DT1:O 24 || Anakin he really comes into his own in the time he spends with Mara, embracing the force more fully and saving her ||

[silk solar]

ahsoka || @wispy lichen thoughts on shipping ezra and sabine ||

[wispy lichen]

||I am pro, but a lot of people prefer them platonic and / or like siblings||

|| shipping Shin and Sabine arose around the time of S1 of Ahsoka, furthering the divide lol||

[silk solar]

||the rise of yuri lmao||

[wispy lichen]

It always comes for the fangirls lol

[wispy vortex]

||I love how he finds himself and the Force on Dantoiine||

[silk solar]

||they really did hit ezra with the Hot Lazer during the timeskip||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||I respect the Yuri fans but they going off of some steamy eyes when the girls were fighting LMAO||

[silk solar]

ahsoka 7 ||if i was sabine i would be like hold up let me retract that sibling statement ||

[wispy lichen]

||Ezra’s actor 10/10 no notes. He’s perfect. He feels exactly like Ezra post 10 years of quiet contemplation after reaching self-fulfillment at the end of Rebels. ||

[wispy vortex]

Yeah he was amazing

[wispy lichen]

||Speaking of, I may or may not fancast him as Kaladin||

[wispy vortex]

||We’ll have to see if he can be broody enough||

[silk solar]

||two female chracters fight yuri fans: omg soulmates
female character damns the galaxy for the chance to save a male friend yuri fans: yeah they have the same emotional connection as me and coworker bill||

[silk solar]

wait you are cooking

[wispy lichen]

Well known enough to be a lead but also lacking enough visibility to be a cheap enough lead for Apple to afford. Also hot.

[silk solar]

||thank god they didnt dye his hair||

[wispy lichen]

Eman Esfandi the man that you are

[wispy vortex]

The beard is amazing

[wispy lichen]

Fun fact he’s in the new Spiderman movie as ||discount Paul ||

[silk solar]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053748

[wispy vortex]

||Watch that be his name||

[wispy lichen]

Leaks (probably false) ||said he’s Harry Osborne ||

[silk solar]

leaks ||oh if he is evil you arent finishing that movie||

[bright blade]

||Me if I was Ezra fr||

||Sabine was half the reason I watched this show||

[silk solar]

||a bit of crush mayhaps?||

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||Duck I’m glad you see the light of Ezra x Sabine ||

[bright blade]

||From one down bad fan to another, I'll confess to that 😜 ||

[silk solar]

||i mean it is just in the show||

||like come on||

[bright blade]

||I already thought Sabine was great in Rebels, but put her in live action and cast her with Natasha Liu Bordizzo and, uh 🥵 ||

[silk solar]

||im guessing a lot of people had to delete old messages and tweets when LA ezra dropped||

[bright blade]

Rebels + Ahsoka general ||One of my favorite little bits of the Ahsoka show is how they put Sabine's theme in the end credits. I just love that.||

That's how much Sabine's my favorite Rebels character

[wispy lichen]

Ezra was my fav but Sabine was a close second

I mean I do love both

[wispy vortex]

Ok but who doesn’t love Chopper

[silk solar]

me

stolen valor from the goat r2d2

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-star-wars-gif-25803686

Pure evil

|| https://youtu.be/6ftMunYJ9UU?si=c3IwkoLdvR6ursJ0 ||

[silk solar]

actual war criminal

[bright blade]

Rebels S3, I think? ||Straight up annihilated a defecting imperial droid who wanted to be a Rebel just because he didn't want anyone stealing his thunder.||

Slightly related note (S3) ||An underrated favorite character of mine is that one protocol droid who sounds like he's doing an Alan Rickman impression. Low-key a goated character.||

[wispy lichen]

||yeah aren’t the Ghost crew excited for a new droid and he just kicks him out the back of the ship?||

[silk solar]

||this is a meta commentary on davi filoni's inability to bring in other talent to help out in SW||

[quick ibex]

https://fixupx.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2060558340644651211

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

The ‘MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE’ movie has been given IMAX screens on short notice for its opening weekend.

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FixupX · May 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

LOL

grogu is peforming horribly

Theyre gonna execute favreau on the streets tommorow

[silk solar]

SIXTY NINE PERCENT DIVE

WHAT

disaster

[bright blade]

This doesn't seem like Star Wars...?

[quick ibex]

its relevant because its taking the spot of mando and grogu on short notice

[silk solar]

.

[bright blade]

Okey

[silk solar]

ahsoka 7 ||ok ezra just punching people with the force has so much aura||

[silk solar]

||there is an interesting gradient being set up where ezra is the best with the force but the worst fighter, sabine is the best fighter and the worst with the force, and the evil lady is in the middle||

||i hope this gets played up more as time goes on||

[bright blade]

Same tags ||"The Force is my weapon" is a pretty tough line. Made me respect Ezra even more.||

[silk solar]

||ok but lightsabers help||

[wispy lichen]

||ezra and sabine do feel like two halves of a complete whole warrior||

[silk solar]

||quotes from your secret 18+ fanfic im sure||

I took a break 🙁

[wispy lichen]

Deleting and will recomment eventually 🫡

[silk solar]

I didnt click so you can just leave it up

[echo echo]

But have you considered

nice

[silk solar]

rough turn of events for filoni's wild ride

[echo echo]

"Catastrophic" does feel like an understatement honestly

This is "Star Wars goes on ice for a decade" territory

[silk solar]

it was just on ice for almost a decade

[echo echo]

For film

Not for TV

[silk solar]

i think they need to sit down and decide what is going to be TV and what is going to be for movies

M and G was just a bad idea through and through

so in that sense they can argue out of it, but it is def diluting the brand

every other SW movie i at least know why it got made

[echo echo]

I do think also that like

Any ol popcorn flick is just kinda gonna struggle these days

It either has to be really cheap or An Event or it isn't gonna get people out to the theaters

[silk solar]

i think it has been pretty well established popcorn entertainment is for streaming

[echo echo]

Enough people I think

[silk solar]

either in film or tv form

it is also weird to have your first SW movie in 7 years be a "fun" (i dont think the movie is that fun tbh) popcorn flick that does not do anything to address the brand damage caused by the previous trilogy

[echo echo]

A lot of the marketing has also just been bizarre

This Facetime Baby Yoda thing is just

What the hell is happening there

[silk solar]

also cuteness doesnt get people to pay 20 bucks for 2 hours

mando was perfectly cast as a streaming show

self inflicted wound tbh

[echo echo]

A mostly self contained streaming show

I'm more or less fine with Bo Katan, she makes sense to be in this show, but just about every crossover beyond that hasn't worked

BoBF being the obvious worst

[silk solar]

getting high concept mandalorian stuff would go a decent way to justifying a theatrical release

[echo echo]

It forced a situation where it felt like the show did not have consequences even consistently within itself and the baseline elements of the marketing (Mando has an identical Razorback, etc) just reinforced that

[silk solar]

it also isnt clear in the marketing what the movie is actually about

which, after seeing it, makes sense

[silk solar]

@wispy lichen finished the ep

[wispy lichen]

Ahsoka ||I was saying it's a bit funny Ezra goes from "The force is my ally" to stealing a guy's blaster because he realizes he needs a weapon LOL||

[silk solar]

||how many stormtroopers has ezra killed at this point||

||actually thousands?||

||he sees them and is like, screw philosophy im going for the throat||

ahsoka 7 ||i feel like no one reacts how they should to finding out someone they thought was dead is actually alive||

[echo echo]

||Do you mean Ezra? I don't think anyone actually thought he was dead, what happened was inconclusive even by "no body" standards||

[silk solar]

||no when sabine and ahsoka reunite sabine literally says "i thought you were dead"||

||but i also thought the sabine ezra moment could have been stronger||

[echo echo]

||Ah sure I just took that as a "okay I never even got to grieve and accept this and now I don't have to"||

[silk solar]

||i think there should be more on ezra's end||

||he literally hasnt talked to a human in "several" years||

[echo echo]

Ahsoka ||Yeah they went for a sort of mystic tranquility with him that I think was a miss for sure||

[silk solar]

||the tranquility archetype cant be used for the actual majority of the cast in a show||

||i never got the impression being a jedi master meant you couldnt express emotion||

||being in control of you emotion is good, but that is a moment where you should feel joy||

[echo echo]

Ahsoka ||I'll give Eman Esfandi the credit of actually trying to do that, where Rosario Dawson is just openly bored||

[silk solar]

ahsoka ||eman embues ezra with likability despite the script giving him nothing||

||i would hang out with that guy||

||ahsoka is just... there||

[echo echo]

||Esfandi also pretty openly cares, which is one of those times being a Star Wars fan works for the project instead of against it||

[supple star]

Ahsoka/minor Bad Batch ||Yeah the reunion between Sabine and Ezra really felt flat. I remember that soon after that Bad Batch had a big reunion that was done really well and there were a lot of comparisons.||

[silk solar]

not to get too writer brained here but ahsoka 7 ||the reunion isnt a scene. there isnt any motion or dynamic at play. there isnt a ping ponging of dialogue or emotion. it feels like they took the outline that says sabine meets ezra and then wrote the most boiler plate thing imaginable that accomplished that. which is really weird bc nominally, this is the emotional climax of the entire series. ||

[supple star]

Ahsoka/Rebels ||Like this was supposed to be a big moment, where not only Sabine, but also the audience gets to reunite with Ezra. Especially considering how emotional the parting was in Rebels||

[silk solar]

||especially given the fact that their reuniting maybe damns the entire galaxy||

||which should be an emotional undercurrent of every interaction that they have||

[supple star]

||It felt like seeing a family member after they got back from a work trip||

||Which is not the correct vibe at all||

[wispy lichen]

|| “oh no we can’t make it seem romantic” ||

||let them kiss she just damned the whole galaxy||

[silk solar]

LMAO

||when you bring back the greastest evil in the universe just to get sibling-zoned||

[supple star]

||I could buy Ezra acting all nonchalant at first, because that is totally him. But there is nothing else. No tears or joy. Like even if they took the sibling approach, you can make the audience feel something. Just some appropriate music, camera angles and lighting would have helped.||

[silk solar]

||if i saw my sibling for the first time in several years i would get pretty emotional ngl||

[supple star]

Rebels ||Especially after that sibling sacrificed themselves to save their family, and told you specifically that they were counting on you to find them.||

[silk solar]

i felt this in M and G too

the way star wars portrays emotion is really broken

[echo echo]

You're totally right about this and I think it is a problem with every Star Wars show to date

I'm not sure any given show understands what it is trying to do in a vacuum, they're all too focused on the broader weave of what Disney is trying (and failing) to do

(Except Andor, which goes without saying)

[silk solar]

i wish when they were writing scripts they thought more about how to communicate what the characters are going through at any given moment and give them more to play off

ahsoka ||the scene between ahsoka and anakin is one of the few in the show that does this, and while i dont love what they did completely, i dont think it is a coincidence that that scene is the strongest dawson has been in the role. bc there is actually acting to do||

||also arianna greenblatt kind of acted dawson into the ground anyways lmao||

[supple star]

I would give the animated shows that credit too, but animation is a bit different in that regard. Along with a few scenes in the Mandalorian. And Skeleton Crew.

But yeah that’s probably my biggest problem with a lot of Star Wars right now. It seems to me that they expect preexisting connection to the characters to make up for the lack of emotional depth in the script.

[silk solar]

ahsoka by and large has an adversarial script

the actors that break through do so in spite of it

[echo echo]

Mandalorian gets progressively more lost in the sauce as it goes on

[bright blade]

||THIS. JUST MAKE THE FREAKING OTP HAPPEN.||

||You have any idea how hard I shipped this since the first episode of Rebels||

[quick ibex]

mandalorian peaked with bill burr and never really reached taht height again

tbh

[silk solar]

Ahsoka 7 ||not to belabor this point, but ezra knows nothing about anything that has happened post rebels. He does not know the empire fell. He does not know about the new republic. He does not know luke is vader’s son. I can think of half a dozen interesting reactions or scenes to write around this, and what they come up with sabine just telling him off screen before a long action scene||

[echo echo]

||He wouldn't even know who Luke is||

[silk solar]

||exactly!||

[echo echo]

||Sabine might not know that Luke is Vader's son, just about every version of canon has them play that pretty close to the vest for a long time, but Ahsoka absolutely does know that Luke is Vader's son||

[silk solar]

||does he know who darth vader is? Was that explained during rebels?||

[quick ibex]

||He did though didnt he?||

||I thought obi wan talked to him about luke||

[echo echo]

||I don't know how seriously I take Obi-wan vagueposting||

[silk solar]

||it would be nice to have a better idea of this in the show||

[echo echo]

||In terms of, Things Ezra Absolutely Should Know||

||Ezra needs more screentime in order to make a lot of this work||

[quick ibex]

||Ahsoka ezra is just worse than ezra who was already the 3rd worst character in rebels||

[silk solar]

||i dont even think ezra should know how much time has passed||

[echo echo]

With Ahsoka specifically I kind of can't decide if I think they needed a bridge to get pieces to places for some plan that never panned out and as a result ran out of time to sit down and figure out what character arcs were doing and had some intern hammer it out with the hope that the actors would Figure It Out, or if they really wanted to do an Ahsoka show and when they got it they were like the proverbial dog who caught the car and just didn't know what to do with it

It feels extreme in one way or the other and either way you slice it the character work got left behind

I lean towards the bridge to nowhere theory personally, because I feel like that fits better with other things about the show, but in general I feel like if your show is wholly reliant on some other show to be a good story it is a bad show

[silk solar]

it is doubly frustrating bc the original trilogy is a masterclass on how to write a story that is plot dependent on another but still makes sense on its own

now most star wars scripts are so flaccid and unengaging

[quick ibex]

Disney star wars just frustrates me

other than TFA,TLJ,rogue one and andor it all just feels like it has no aim