Star Wars

[bitter trail]

anh ||that r2 unit was a part of the rebel alliance and went down for the cause||

[vale dirge]

||Skippy sacrificed himself so the galaxy could live||

[verbal relic]

ANH ||Either that or R2-D2 sabotaged his poor cousin.||

[vale dirge]

ANH + Star Wars: Tales ||Skippy was a Jedi: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/79926/why-was-skippy-the-jedi-droid-r5-d4-force-sensitive||

[wintry lark]

Star Wars movies ||That's 100% in character||

[verbal relic]

exactly 😄

[supple star]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/movies/bruce-logan-dead.html

[cedar osprey]

Haven’t rewatched clone wars in a while so I wanna do that but does anyone have like a list of episodes I SHOULD watch and which ones are kind of just filler??

[vocal wharf]

I know the A More Civilized Age podcast does

[cedar osprey]

Nice, do you have a link??

[hardy jungle]

skip the ones with goldie :P

[cedar osprey]

I forgot how good this book is, it has a big western feel which I love and it’s miles better than anything the Kenobi show tried to do

[vocal wharf]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ATmU_-7sxBIOg7o997ET7kJcljVwiSxerHFl6y9oeHw/mobilebasic#heading=h.eofgizh89v7w

[wintry lark]

I strongly disagree with skipping Florrum. It's bad, but it introduces a character and later episodes expect you to have watched it

[wispy vortex]

Florrum has Hondo

[patent schooner]

Florrum is fun

[wintry lark]

I was actually working on my own watch order list

[wispy vortex]

Also why skip the Citadel? That was a great arc, and you get ||Tarkin||

[patent schooner]

yeah skipping Citadel seems mad to me

[wispy vortex]

Mon Calamari arc is also really fun

[wintry lark]

Clone wars S7 ||Also it ties into the Bad Batch arc||

[patent schooner]

Just be normal and watch everything once and then you know which ones to skip

[wintry lark]

This is just a bad list imo

[wintry lark]

If you watch every episode, you should follow the chronological order though https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

[patent schooner]

yeah, generally a good idea. I originally watched it in an almost random order, just followed some plotlines wildly across seasons and then caught up with the rest. I think Clone wars is quite watchable that way but the chrono order is a good orientation

[wintry lark]

copying that link made me lose my WIP watchlist lmao
maybe I should work on it on a google doc

[golden flame]

ANH ||I thought that was canon?||

[verbal relic]

||If it isn't, it should be.||

[golden flame]

Real and fair lol

[verbal relic]

ANH + Rebels ||Though even R2-D2's misanthropy pales in comparison to Chopper.|| 😄

[cedar osprey]

Fun fact: my mom has the biggest crush on Ewan McGregor ever since she saw him as Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith, she literally told my dad that she would leave him for Ewan if given the opportunity 😭 😭

[cedar osprey]

Billions must read

[restive bluff]

It’s on my (very long) TBR

My brother read it earlier this year and was a bit disappointed seeing as everyone hypes it up so much

[wispy lichen]

It’s good

[topaz cliff]

I've heard Gray is one of the star wars novel goats

[cedar osprey]

Audiences going to see Empire Strikes Back in 1980 wondering why they missed 4 movies:

[wispy vortex]

Wdym

[cedar osprey]

Cuz it was called Episode 5, and the original one was just called Star Wars

[wispy vortex]

Oh right lol

[wintry lark]

wouldn't that be missing 3

[wispy vortex]

Yep

Lucas things

[wintry lark]

I mean as a correction to the meme

[cedar osprey]

Quick thought: you guys know how we give out military and veteran discounts?? What if during the imperial era, shops and bars gave out discounts to imperial officers

I don’t know why I thought of that I just did

[dull dust]

I mean I figured that was the case

Gotta support the beautiful boys and gals in white

[hardy jungle]

in grey?

[echo echo]

Both

Stormtroopers and ISB are white

Navy is grey, at least the officers

[dull dust]

Yeah I’d assume majority of the time your dealing with black and white since the navy would be in spaceport

[echo echo]

You're not wrong

Try and get a military discount in Norfolk and you'll get laughed at

[echo echo]

This is also something that goes in and out of fashion. I'd expect to see a lot of military discounts in, say, Coruscant, but not necessarily in places more hard done by by the switch from Republic to Empire

[cedar osprey]

Also makes me think if they gave out discounts for Jedi during the Republic era

Or maybe the Jedi just mind controlled into getting free stuff

That’s what I would do if I was a Jedi

[echo echo]

I expect at least during the Clone Wars era that the Jedi got what amounted more to a requisition than a discount

[dry herald]

Honestly, not as sure if there'd be as much official discounts as military people just "requisitioning" what they want

[cedar osprey]

It’s soooo good, one of the best Star Wars books I’ve ever read

It’s set during the OG trilogy and it really shows how the Galactic civil war effects everyday lives of people

Almost 0 Jedi nonsense and just pure war like Andor

[dull dust]

I think they probably just gave them promisory notes. The jedi would say yeah ill charge that to the temple so id imagine they got jipt quite a bit by the populice putting slightly to large amount

the jedi isn't gonna know the price of milk there not knowledgeable of worldly affairs

[cedar osprey]

It’s so frustrating shopping for a Anakin lightsaber and seeing them all be $800

Like why

At this point I’ll just get a toy one

And since this is my first time trying to even buy a lightsaber I don’t even know what I’m doing

[cedar osprey]

I would honestly HATE to be the guy in charge of the Temple’s finances

Bunch of broken droids and ships that need repairing

[dull dust]

honestly probably switched sides the minute anakin walked in

[cedar osprey]

Bro screw this, I can get myself a nice steak dinner instead with this money

[summer pasture]

I'd expect Jedi buying things especially not of immediate necessity to be in a constant back and forth of

"It's on the house"

"Please no, let me pay"

And so on for an hour every time

[supple star]

I remember something about Jedi finances was in a recent book about the Jedi council.

[patent schooner]

In the High republic books there is a Jedi who is charge of their Ships. He is not amused at everyone for bringing them home damaged and almost refuses to give another one to one of the Knights who kept crashing them

[toxic rune]

man an idle mind is the devil's workshop huh

I was just eating breakfast and thinking about things when I got the idea to do an essay about Vergere and Kreia's answer to the problem of evil in Star Wars relating to the augustinian (or I guess tomasian, maybe?) theodicy and gnostic demiurge respectively

well I guess Kreia's is not exactly gnostic but close enough

but that would require me to read NJO and I think I'm good so that one stays in the lab

[supple star]

Man I shouldn’t be buying more books but there are like 5 Star Wars books calling my name.

[neat lily]

andor season 2 all and rogue one ||fun season. started out pretty strong, the ghorman plot was very interesting. except cinta dying... very much felt like "she has to be dead" and they chose the quickest option. i dont mind her dying unheroically but it just felt low effort. vels speech was good tho. was kinda petering out by the end, which i get cuz they couldnt really end with that much of a bang since it goes straight to rogue one, and the way cassian gets all the galen/death star info (he recognises galens name in the beginning of rogue one) felt very... basic. like oh the isb rebel had secret top level access and had top secret knowledge and luthen gets this info and kleya gets this info and cassian gets this info and that all just gets pushed in at the very end. no slow build up of gathering the pieces, its like they ran out of time and forgot cassian needed to have very specific information for the movie this is his origin for. i can forgive em tho. bix having a kid was an interesting way for cassian to "live on" to create a kinda new ending to contrast us knowing he dies at the end of rogue one||

[supple star]

Yeah I folded to these two

[wispy vortex]

Darth Plagueis was great

[golden flame]

It's such a good book

[cedar osprey]

I NEED a follow up to it

[golden flame]

Reaaalll

[neat lily]

very important star wars lore i presume you are all already aware of

[wintry lark]

Wookiepedia editors have no concept of relevance

[supple star]

I find Wookiepedia so hard to use. Though that is mainly on Fandom.

[wintry lark]

They really need to pull a Minecraft Wiki and split off

[echo echo]

Disney could pull a Warframe Wiki and not just pull it off Fandom but pull it in-house

It'd probably even be a good idea

Which is why they won't

[broken smelt]

Lucasfilm has had an inhouse wiki for ages, but I don't think they or Disney want to invest the time/money into making it publicly accessible

[neat lily]

they dont want people to know theyve been plagiarising mace windu sweat articles from wookiepedia

[mild sphinx]

A lot of is here though I think they pulled a lot of legends content. https://www.starwars.com/databank

[summer pasture]

Yeah I think the issue with an official one is that they'd pull a lot of Legends content and wouldn't include anything specific enough that they'd rather sell it separately (eg, technical specifics when they can release a companion book, etc)

[wispy vortex]

Why hasn’t some Star Wars loving billionaire sponsored one yet smh

[wintry lark]

It probably contains a lot of spoilers tbf

[golden flame]

That's the whole point of a wiki though lol, is to catalog literally everything

[wintry lark]

I mean for stuff that hasn't been released

[hardy jungle]

oops

[wintry lark]

Like how Brandon has his own internal wiki which won't be available to the public while new books are coming out because it contains thorough spoilers for unreleased books

[hardy jungle]

also, the inhouse wiki contains details writers of new stories might want to know. fan wikis contain details fans want to know

plus the inhouse wiki can have stuff that has been pinned down behind the scenes but isn’t technically inferable from the published material

[echo echo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zNfSmCVAho0

This is hysterical

[bitter trail]

oh my god

[echo echo]

Right?

Also Diego Luna has no "advice" here he's just having a good time with it

[bitter trail]

that is amazing

[dull dust]

hayden shows up to her room lightsaber out when he wants he to behave clearly

[tame turret]

lmao

[golden flame]

"Do the dishes or we're re-enacting the Jedi Temple"

[summer pasture]

Smh I want both

[magic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhOi1UTbi4

[wispy lichen]

When she read the RotS movie title crawl I knew what was coming lmao

Very supportive of the goat Star Wars author getting appreciation

[magic harness]

Yeahhh

[wispy lichen]

And I do think the RotS novel is the best starting place for the novels

I also wanna note my favorite thing about Stover is the way he writes such a… complete 100% Star Warsy style. Like I remember in Traitor some of the more jokey lines popping up. It was clear Stover Star Warses hard. He’s actually thought in depth about the philosophy of Star Wars in a way that is incredibly positive of Star Wars messaging and makes it cohesive.

It reminds me of Avellone a bit, but where Avellone is criticizing, Stover is making it whole and fuller

[toxic rune]

something something pierrot and harlequin

[golden flame]

It's just a good book too. Like, not even just a good Star Wars story, it's just so well written

[wispy lichen]

Yeah! I guess I was just pointing out it can be a good book and be super Star Warsy

[summer pasture]

@wispy lichen I just thought of a wild example from another fictional universe that helps exemplify our Vision of the jedi ethos vs the weird fanon we usually disagree with here

And I am obsessed with it and need to find someone that fits that venn diagram of having watched both IPs to see if they agree

[wispy vortex]

What universe

[summer pasture]

Demon Slayer because I'm basic with basic friends and got roped into watching it and "Would this side character make for a good jedi" crept in my mind

[warm thicket]

Is there word on a Star Wars read along?

[wispy lichen]

I heard the animation is really good

[wispy vortex]

Still trying to figure out if more people are interested

[wispy lichen]

I’m ready to start it whenever y’all are down

[cedar osprey]

Are you serious??? They’re making a show about the guy from Rogue One that literally nobody cared about??? This is going to be so bad, Star Wars is so over omg

[supple star]

Ha I get to be one of those people who get to say that I always had faith in Andor because I did.

[golden flame]

Star Wars is so cool

[summer pasture]

As someone who read ahead, the animation and the sound design/OST are 90% of the reason I'll watch the rest

But basically there's a side character that I feel you and I would say could 100% be a jedi but a lot of the fanon would say can't

[golden flame]

Hit me

[summer pasture]

I think, especially if you consider the High Republic or some sort of New Jedi Order (both of which were a bit more "free-flowing" and not limited to the, like, 5 years of constant war of most of the prequels), (Demon slayer all, just character traits) ||Mitsuri would actually 100% be "able" to be a Jedi. Even with the exuberant and emotional demeanor (Which doesn't stop her from doing whatever needs doing, she Locks In) and even the love gimmick is more of an "all loving hero" trope than the possessive or "this person/people above the common good" the Jedi warn against||

[golden flame]

You know what, I see the vision lol

[summer pasture]

It's one of those things that feels silly to say but if you actually think about it you see it

[topaz cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxLBOwdTKjI

It's finally out

[bitter trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1Id-aZs7s

this popped up on my feed and

well i guess i gotta watch andor all again

[echo echo]

(This emote was made for this moment)

[bitter trail]

heehee

[magic harness]

I'm on a huge watch of the Marvel Defenders series because I was curious about Daredevil and Jessica Jones and I decided to do the whole thing, but after that I intend to get around to Andor

[patent schooner]

Defenders is great. Some are significantly better than others but even the worse ones are fun to watch atleast once

[echo echo]

Iron Fist s2 was the only one I felt like I'd wasted time and braincells on

The rest of them were mostly fun and some of them were great

[wispy vortex]

S1 was terrible too

It was like Arrow, but somehow even worse

[echo echo]

It was bad but David Wenham is a weight on the positive side of the scale for me

[cedar osprey]

Andor ||Came across this masterpiece while scrolling on the internet the other day||

[golden flame]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nj2ZyufRiac

[summer pasture]

TBF I personally have a Take about this. Rebels worked on context. The prolonged fights in the prequels also worked narratively in context

My issue with the latter isn't the fancy choreo but the points every so often it turned to pure flynning where they aim for the other sword and it winds up being less exciting and more feels like a special effects/choreography failure

[warm thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-spinning-storm-trooper-gif-17461122

[summer pasture]

See at least this I can get as "they're trying to bait an error but they're too evenly matched"

But sometimes it's just pure "hitting each other's sword" like an old movie or like, Pirates of the Caribbean when they do it for laughs

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/inigomontoya-princess-bride-left-handed-gif-20532797

[toxic rune]

eh this can work

because the thing that needs to be remembered is that like

these are deadly weapons and people like living

winning the fight and beating your enemy is all fine and dandy but not if the price is your own life

so you do have to mind their sword with your sword

realistic swordfights would be much messier and sillier looking tbh

[autumn hemlock]

It'd be a minute of posturing, then both people run each other through

[toxic rune]

LMAO

nah that's the samurai myth

it'd be a lot more physical

people stepping into each other and using their bodies to try and beat the other person

a lot more grappling

also silly movement because both people would be aiming at hands and feet and the other person obviously doesn't want to lose those

it'd be more like a game of Party Animals than a choreographed dance

[vapid fossil]

the whole grappling stuff doesn't really work when you literally can only touch the hilt of a lightsaber (I am going to ignore all the random EU stuff about what can safely touch a lightsaber's blade)

[toxic rune]

I think the Force prevents that more (as well as enable a different kind of grappling that would look really dumb on the screen lmao)

though yeah people would probably be more cautious about trying to grapple someone else when lightsabers are so good at cutting things

[autumn hemlock]

Nah, not the samurai myth, the fencing reality

[toxic rune]

not the historical, two people actually trying to kill each other version

[cedar osprey]

I need to start reading some high republic stuff

I don’t know the reading order tho

I’m sure I can find it

[autumn hemlock]

Well yeah, historically you have some sort of protection, which makes grappling relevant. Without armour, you've been run through for a meter by the time you're close enough to grapple.

[cedar osprey]

Where should I start with High Republic stuff

[patent schooner]

There is a pretty clear reading order. Gimme a minute i dont remember what the first book was called

release order is the way to go pretty much

"Light of the Jedi" is the novel to start with

[toxic rune]

even without armour, fencing was a lot more grapply back in the day before the modern period

a lot more punching, kicking, grappling, trying to wrestle people to the ground and stuff

[wispy lichen]

Light of the Jedi

[patent schooner]

I really need to catch up on Hight republic. Really like it alot

[wispy vortex]

Same

Im ambivalent about the other series, but High Republic was great

[patent schooner]

Alphabet squadron is propably my favorite

love it so much

[wispy vortex]

I didnt really like Alphabet Squadron

It just seemed like inferior Wraith Squadron

They had little chemistry and their force mix was nonsensical

[patent schooner]

I just love character that are utter messes

[wispy vortex]

Thats why wraith squadron is better. They are even bigger messes, but they have really good chemistry as a unit

And they are unique messes

[patent schooner]

if you mean they squadron composition i feel like that was fairly adressed in the book. They arent really supposed to be an effective fighter squadron but are more an intelligence group that happen to have ship

and i really loved the characters and their relationships

[wispy vortex]

So why not make them an intelligence group who are also a decent squadron

Just give them a shuttle at that point and be done with it

[patent schooner]

they had a shuttle. And they didnt really get assigned any ships. The ships they had where just the ones they already had with them

it was more a "we cannot give them any new ships since they arent really a squadron but they can keep the ones they have i guess" situation

[cedar osprey]

Andor >>>>>>>>> Original trilogy

Fight me

[bright blade]

I don't want to fight. I just want to enjoy.

[patent schooner]

why do we have to rank things if we can just enjoy all of it?

[warm thicket]

I agree. Let's fight over whether or not we ought to fight over these things

[patent schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-wendell-ndugu-should-we-hug-it-out-hug-it-out-hug-gif-25278945

[warm thicket]

🫂

[bright blade]

Andor Season 2 Episode 8 ||Some Star Wars fans' idea of "hugging it out"||

[echo echo]

Counterpoint: the OT is actually season 3 of Andor

[dry herald]

I don't know if I'd put that many >, but andor and rogue one are definitely top tier star wars for me. With the OT pretty close after them

[bitter trail]

certainly andor changed the way I think about the OT in such a positive, deepened way that I can't possibly see them in competition with each other

andor is everything I wanted from "more star wars" in that it felt like it truly added to the canon, interacted with the existing canon to solidly improve it all, and most importantly for a star wars property: had an identity of its own. it is its own strongly unique contribution to the universe

[echo echo]

The real comparison is the PT

Which Andor blows out of the water

[autumn hemlock]

Yeah, I feel like the OT can't meaningfully be competitively compared to Andor, their contexts and everything are too different.

[toxic rune]

I feel like there's a lot of personal bias involved here

[bright blade]

Always

My dad's watching Andor season 2, so now I get a rewatch!

[warm thicket]

Happy now? I'm watching the show

Love that it specifies BBY 5 as if that's how people would give the date at the time

[autumn hemlock]

I mean, the setting does have precognitive powers...

[warm thicket]

Honestly that's a really cool worldbuilding idea. The person in charge of the calendar has precognitive powers and always sets the year based around really big events within the next 20-30 years

[pearl fox]

"what do you mean we're in the year 3 before The Event? What's going to happen old calendar man!?"

[warm thicket]

"The Event
Have I not made that clear?"

[autumn hemlock]

"It's gonna be huge! It'll change everything! It's all anyone will want to talk about!"

3 years later, Clair Obscur comes out.

[warm thicket]

Andor S1E2
||So this investigator guy has jurisdiction over several planets, and the only crime worth investigating is the death of two security guards?||

[autumn hemlock]

I think this gets even better if Calendar Man gives a full abbreviation, and people spend the years of leadup trying to guess what it stands for.

[dry herald]

Andor s1 e10 ||man, this episode is even better on a rewatch . Knowing how Kino had no hipe for escaping the whole time makes his growth so much more powerful. He was freaking out in despair the other day, seeing his hopes vanish. But in the morning, there was resolve. Cassian's phrase of "I'd rather die denying them this than giving it to them" sunk in. And the acting shoes that so well

So excited to get to luthens speech later in the episode as well ||

||ooh, another climb spotted 👀||

||also, it's amazing how impactful the action scenes are in this show. Because of the time spent building up to it||

||yep, Luthen's speech is still peak ||

[cedar osprey]

KALKITE

SYNTHETIC KALKITE

KALKITE ALTERNATIVES

GHORMAN KALKITE

[bright blade]

Deep. Substrate. Foliated. Kal-kite.

[prime flint]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-krennic-gif-257389219806397945

[vale dirge]

He had so much fun in that role

[bright blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pa11L3SQkQ

[vapid fossil]

obligaroty link when ben menelsohn is mentioned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0xvzabfhOY

[bright blade]

You haven't got any kalkite alternatives, have you mate?

[warm thicket]

"One day, when I was stationed in Peru, I saw a small child sitting on the corner, eating his lunch. I went into the shop to get something to eat and the shopkeeper told me, 'that child is the only customer I've had all day.' When I looked around his shop, do you know what I saw? Food, that was so old, it was barely edible. Sometimes, Batman needs to remember that he's human, and ought to pack his own lunch."
-Alfred in the Nolan movies or something

[vapid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-caine-the-dark-knight-the-dark-knight-rises-alfred-dark-knight-rises-gif-18008820

[warm thicket]

Yeah, that was the scene when he saw the Peruvian child eating lunch

[cedar osprey]

Andor and New Hope ||This foreshadowing was so crazy||

[supple star]

I guess that is more postshadowing though.

Finished Darth Plaugius. ||Very fascinating book. How Plaugius talks and thinks about the Force was very interesting. In particular I liked how both Plaugius and Sidious felt “a greater power” and instantly assumed that it was their old master perfectly shows their mindset. They (and the Sith in general) viewed themselves as the most powerful when the Force itself is much more powerful.||

[golden flame]

Perks of Andor being written second lol

[wintry lark]

I think that's just called shadowing

[golden flame]

According to reddit its still foreshadowing, since it happens before within the context of a complete/continuous story

[warm thicket]

Andor S1E3
||Ahhh! I gotta go shower and I'm only hallway through the episode||

[wispy vortex]

||The rebellion doesn’t care if you smell!||

[cedar osprey]

||We don’t all have the luxury of deciding when and where we want to shower, suddenly hygiene is real for you? I haven’t been showering since I was 6 YEARS OLD||

[warm thicket]

I do not think these were episode 3

[dry herald]

Ryan's quote is from rogue one

[patent schooner]

aka Andor season 3 /j

[warm thicket]

Ahh, gotta rewatch that after Andor

[ionic sonnet]

I just finished S1 of Andor and am already preloading rogue one

[bitter trail]

andor S2?

[ionic sonnet]

I already have S2 downloaded

I will be off the Internet for 2 days later in the week so I'm loading up RO and OT

So I can be sure I won't be bored

[bright blade]

Rewatching Rogue One made me wish we got more Andor levels of backstory for other characters in that movie

Rogue One + Andor all ||Like, Chirrut and Baze are main characters, and Melshi is only in a couple scenes in the final act, and he got prominently spotlighted in Andor. I get it's because of his association with Cassian, but... what about the others who join Rogue One? What about Pao? And why not give as much focus on telling Jyn Erso's story? You know, the primary main character of the movie? The decision to make the backstory series focus on the secondary protagonist always confused me. Don't get me wrong, I love Andor and I think it's pretty much the best Star Wars has ever been. But that's paired with a frustration that it took Star Wars that long to get that good and that other characters missed getting that same character treatment as Cassian, Mon Mothma, Luthen, Kleya, Krennic, etc.||

TL;DR no spoilers:

Andor is so good I'm frustrated with the rest of Star Wars.

[patent schooner]

we have pretty much all of Jyns entire life story in novels

[bright blade]

Ooh, where? Gimme gimme.

[patent schooner]

"Catalyst" is mostly about her parents and krennic but she is there as a child. "Rebel Rising" is her life since she lost her parents and then growing up with Saw Gerrera

[vapid fossil]

||none of those characters should have been in Amdor because they are people Andor meets in Rogue One. If Tony Gillroy had been forced to do 5 seasons as was originally considered then maybe they would uave had isolated side plots or something. I think it was the correct move to only highlight Andor from the characters in Rogue One since he had the most interesting hook imo (guy who does wetwork for the rebellion and has forgotten, or at least thinks hes forgotten, what he really fights for) ||

[patent schooner]

both are pretty great novels imo

seeing Saw trying his utter best(with mixed results) to be a dad is interesting

[bright blade]

||This just makes me beg the question further: why Cassian? Why none of the others? Because then when I rewatch Rogue One, I'm seeing the main character of one of my favorite shows getting secondary status in Jyn Erso's story.||

[bright blade]

I need more books to find, so these will go on the list. After I'm done with the Star Wars book I'm currently listening to, of course. 😅

[vapid fossil]

||as I said, he embodies an interesting facet of the rebellion which has not been well explored (and is portrayed by a more affordable actor than Jyn which is also probably significant)||

[bright blade]

Fair point.

Rogue One + Andor ||I see now why Pao wasn't one of Andor's spotlight characters: his full name is Paodok'Draba'Takat Sap'De'Rekti Nik'Linke'Ti' Ki'Vef'Nik'NeSevef'Li'Kek (thank you, copy and paste). No one wants to repeat that mouthful. At least he appeared in one Andor scene, haha.||

[vapid fossil]

||oh, when was that?||

[patent schooner]

||I also kind of believe that a story about a character doesnt really need any external justification. The question about why explore Andors backstory is simply: because someone wanted to and had a good story to tell||

[patent schooner]

||I assume training on Yavin?||

[bright blade]

||Yeah, he's onscreen for a few seconds jogging behind Melshi and a few others in a morning run.||

Hey, why is Wookiepedia the source where I first find out Cassian Andor's middle name is Jeron? I don't recall knowing that before. Am I stupid? 😅

[supple star]

||The lack of Pao probably has to do with the fact that there are no reoccurring alien characters in Andor.||.

[bright blade]

||One of the very few aspects of the show I didn't like. Not enough non-humans.||

[wispy vortex]

||Yes, but not because of that||

Also Wookiepedia is the font of all knowledge

[supple star]

Chirrut and Baze got a book too. It’s called Guardians of the Whills.

[wispy vortex]

Whills, no?

[supple star]

Fixed it

[patent schooner]

its actually one of the first star wars book i read. Its more of a novella i think

[bright blade]

You beat me to the clarification of "I'm stupid in general, but I'm asking for this specifically"

[wispy vortex]

You should join the Legends read through we’re thinking of doing

[bright blade]

I don't know if I can afford the mental capacity for a Legends readthrough

[wispy vortex]

We aren’t doing everything

The eventual goal is to read NJO

[bright blade]

Probably Darth Plagueis. Maybe a reread of Revenge of the Sith.

[wispy vortex]

#1364954784737792102 message

This was our proposed reading order

[bright blade]

Is NJO the nine-book series?

[wispy vortex]

19

They’re not too long though

[bright blade]

Wait, I was thinking of Fate of the Jedi.

[wispy lichen]

Yeah we should start that haha

[broken smelt]

Rip, all my Legends books are currently 3000 miles away

[echo echo]

https://youtu.be/XamxlbmJxMM

Spoilers for the season

[bright blade]

Love how much attention kalkite is getting

[patent schooner]

It is the good stuff 👍

[warm thicket]

Andor S1E7
Look, literally the only thing I know about this show is that ||John Andor goes to prison at some point and also Andy Serkis is in it||
I have yet to see these things

[wispy vortex]

lmao

[cedar osprey]

KALKITE

SYNTHETIC KALKITE

KALKITE ALTERNATIVES

[ionic sonnet]

the amount of time spent pondering this grubby little bit of rock is sadly astonishing

[supple star]

Just finished the Rogue One novelization and it is funny how much time between this and Catalyst Krennic spends crushing on Galen and Lyra.

[wispy lichen]

Okay so who was interested in a Star Wars readalong and are there any books in particular you were interested in?

[warm thicket]

Me, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy

[supple star]

I would be interested in that

[warm thicket]

||Loitering?????||

||He's going to prison for loitering?||

[smoky spruce]

||He was wrongly accused of association with some other rebel attack nearby. It’s a bit hard to catch on your first watch||

[warm thicket]

||I saw that, but it amounts to loitering||

[warm thicket]

Andor
||You know, I think the prison cells are actually bigger than the rooms in the Star Wars Hotel||

[ionic sonnet]

||Like the irl hotel?||

[warm thicket]

Ye

[dry herald]

||and I heard they even get free fries on their first day!(and all days theyre the slowest group)||

[autumn hemlock]

||But of course, that extra energy really helps you get moving!||

[wispy vortex]

Me!

[dense lance]

this is exactly what I want to see in a Star Wars series

"you learned how to reduce the temperature of objects without ever cultivating tutaminis? HOW!?"

"you mean you're using Alter to force individual atoms to slow!?"

[dense lance]

I will not buy the Shakespearean Star Wars books again
I will not buy the Shakespearean Star Wars books again
I will not buy the Shakespearean Star Wars books again

[magic harness]

This is giving me Broken Earth vibes.

[summer pasture]

It isn't quite the same but I do like the High Republic books highlighting how different Jedi perceive the force in different ways

[ionic sonnet]

I just finished Andor S2 and then rogue one. I need to curl up and cry a bit

[patent schooner]

I really love the descriptions on how different jedi envision the force in the HR. Some see it as an ocean, some as a firestorm. I think one who grew up on coruscant see it as an endless cityscape at night, with lights in the windows

[summer pasture]

Music as well

[patent schooner]

yeah, Avar I believe

[toxic rune]

that was what I liked from that book lmao

the rest was pretty forgettable

High Republic ||I really dislike that they created another galaxy-wide threat that of course we haven't heard about before and won't hear about after either||

[golden flame]

That's something I love about the ROTS novelization; ||Dooku describes what he sees Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palps as in the Force; Obi-Wan is like a waterfall, Anakin a storm, and Palps an even horizon||

[patent schooner]

||what? This is what happens over thousands of years of history||

[toxic rune]

not really

[wispy lichen]

Matthew Stover 👑

[toxic rune]

we still know about the threats that people 3000 years ago faced

[wispy lichen]

NJO Traitor is my favorite thing I’ve ever read

[toxic rune]

and they did not have the benefit of widespread information sharing across the entire galaxy

[patent schooner]

||and it is not really galaxy wide thread. It was pretty minor||

[patent schooner]

||well they do know about it||

[toxic rune]

Light of the Jedi ||the book makes it sound pretty major /shrug||

[patent schooner]

||It is major for the time||

[golden flame]

100%

[patent schooner]

||and I dont get why you think it has been "forgotten"||

||people now it happend||

[wispy lichen]

RotS ||

The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
Love is more than a candle.
Love can ignite the stars.||

[toxic rune]

sure doesn't seem like it by anything previous to the high republic books

[patent schooner]

||It is pretty major event considering they had hundreds of years of peace but it is pretty minor compared to whern the sith empire was around||

[wispy lichen]

Speaking of NJO Traitor, when do y’all wanna start our readalong

[patent schooner]

what are you even saying? Just because luke skywalker doesnt randomly talk about it doesnt mean people dont know about it. Did Napoleon not exist in the Indiana jones universe because he is never mentioned in the movies?

[wispy lichen]

NJO Traitor is Star Wars Divine Comedy

[patent schooner]

and you could say the same thing about the sith empire in the old republic when it was first introduced

[toxic rune]

yeah, you could 😌

[patent schooner]

I can understand if you dont like the books but that just seems like a ridiculous complaint

[patent schooner]

Ok so you point is you can never indroduce new lore. The seperatist alliance was also never mentioned in the OT so I guess that is also a plothole or something?

[toxic rune]

kinda

we knew about the clone wars but uh

let's say the reveal did not meet crowd expectations

[patent schooner]

ok. Are you just trolling at this point?

[toxic rune]

I'm fine considering it a plothole

never 😌

[patent schooner]

When the Jedi and the force are first mentioned in ANH, is it also a plothole that they werent mentioned before then?

[golden flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-absolute-cinema-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-5439545676724428454

[toxic rune]

a concept being introduced in the first movie of the series is not the same thing as another apocalyptic threat that has never been acknowledged before in the existing history of the galaxy being shoved into spin off number fifteen, no

[patent schooner]

I agree it is not the same but you are pretty much saying you can never indroduce new lore

basically according to your logic absolutly nothing happend before the clone wars. It was just everyone vibing since time began

Or did I miss the scene in the OT where someone gives us a lecture about the entirety of galactic history all the way back to the stone age?

I am sorry for being so defensive but I have seen so many ludicrous complaints over the years I have used up all my patience. Just say you didnt vibe with the novels

you are allowed to have an opinion without needing to make up plotholes to justify them

[golden flame]

Ok but even something introduced in the first film was later altered and retconned. The length of time between the Clone Wars and ANH was halved

[toxic rune]

indeed

[golden flame]

And it doesn't detract from the story

[toxic rune]

well

[warm thicket]

Listen, if you only enjoyed A New Hope that's perfectly fine. Most of the time when someone gets this nitpicky about the details of a story they just didn't like it and are trying to figure out why.
You're allowed to just not like something

I never really cared for Mandolorian.
Why?
Because I didn't like it.
But I'm not gonna come into a Star Wars space and say, "I hate Mandolorian because it makes no sense to introduce beskar when Darth Vader never brought it up."
I didn't like it because I didn't like it.

[wispy lichen]

For readalongers:

I think we had talked about maybe Thrawn Trilogy - XWing 1-4- I, Jedi - XWing 5-8 - Courtship of Princess Leia- Hand of Thrawn - OB Flight + Survivor’s Quest then NJO
With Rogue Planet somewhere in NJO

You can read as much or as little as you like, as it might be fun to see interconnectivity, the series are all very much their own things. I have example images of smallest recommended pre-NJO reads and… reading everything.

But this is open for discussion if you want to add stuff or remove stuff

[warm thicket]

In which one does someone turn to the camera and say, "that certainly was a Star War"?

[wispy lichen]

In one of the New Jedi Order books, someone says ||the Empire always strikes back!||

Yes it’s the goat who says this (from Heir to the Empire)

I love when Star Wars authors decide to be cringy for the lols

[wispy lichen]

Most importantly: we’ll probably start with Heir to the Empire.

[toxic rune]

you do see how there's a difference in scale between:
"<character x> never talked about <item y> in the original trilogy therefore it is weird that it is being brought up now as an established and important part of the setting"

and

"this series revolve around a conflict that was supposed to be massive and widespread, and yet it made no impact whatsoever in the world established before it was retconned in and this is not the first time this series does this"

yes?

both are generally considered to be bad writing but the second is worse by an order of magnitude

personally I forgive Filoni making his RPG campaign lore canon with the mandalorian stuff because, well

star wars hasn't even figured out what the hell lightsabers are so I give the series some leniency on this respect

[bright blade]

Hahaha. I have the one for Attack of the Clones.

[patent schooner]

what to you mean with no impact? Do you know what the galaxy would have looked like without the events? Planets like Tatoine still being lawless backwaters seems like it can easily be directly attributed to the those events for example. Or the Jedi order being the way they are in the prequels

[dense lance]

they're releasing one for The Mandalorian next year

[wispy lichen]

For the readalong: do you wanna start this week or next week (or later)? How long do you want to take per book?

[warm thicket]

Did a quick search, and the French Wars of Religion have never been mentioned in this server.
You'd think that a serious of events so crucially important to European history would have been mentioned at least once, given the number of people from Europe are in this server

[warm thicket]

I'm ready to start whenever. I think it would be fun to read each book in sections so that we're all around the same page. Like 3 chapters per week or something depending on how long they are

All I've got is the digital book, so it's hard to judge how long it is physically
I can also read decently fast, so we can go at a good clip if we want

[wispy lichen]

It’s in the 400-500 range. Audiobook is 13 hours for HTTE.

And HTTE is probably the longest apart from one book in NJO

My thought was a book a week or a book every two weeks but if that’s too much 😅

[warm thicket]

I could probably handle that

Just finished Andor Season 1
Overall, I quite liked it. Parts of it, especially the last episode, felt a little too real.
The only thing I wasn't a fan of was that it felt kinda disjointed at times. ||Like, the whole prison sequence felt really out of place, almost like the writers wanted Cassian to be out of the rest of the workings and shoved him in prison to keep him out of the picture.|| Idk, maybe someone can clarify something that I missed there.
||Everything with Mon Mothma was excellent from start to finish, I'm very glad to have more of her and to keep up the tradition of never letting her be played by the same actress between two different installments.||
I wish more of Star Wars was willing to just bring in new actors for old characters instead of weird cgi resurrection. This series shows that the audience will get it and be fine.

||Also if the reasoning for the prison sequence gets addressed in the second season, I just started that||

[echo echo]

Andor s1 ||You did catch that they were working on the Death Star? Basically slave labor for its construction||

[warm thicket]

Ohhhhhhhhh, no I did not.
||I saw it at the end of the season and figured, "oh yeah, I guess Rogue One is all about blowing that up, ain't it?||

[ionic sonnet]

I liked S1 more than S2 in general. ||To me, everything in S1 felt like they have a reason and place to be there including the prison part. In S2 there are several times where o felt like they were fluffing things out to make the season 12 episodes||

[vapid fossil]

||the things that are holding that array of panels together where what Andor was building in the prison||

[wispy lichen]

I said after S1 that ||my main issue was wishing the show was Mothma and not Andor ||

[golden flame]

Andor S1 ||The show really should have been called something like "Rebellion" instead lol. Its so much more than just Cassian||

[wispy lichen]

||I think a Rebellion show (seeing more of the political beginnings, more of the Rebel cells) would be more interesting to me but also would take away from the point Gilroy wanted, which is the impact of the Empire on a regular guy. ||

[golden flame]

Fair

[wispy lichen]

||but Gilroy and I find different things interesting ||

[wispy lichen]

There is so much story left untold for people like ||Mothma, Bail, Dodonna, Ackbar|| these key figures who have hardly any content related to them in canon

I except ||Saw|| because bro is in every… single… star wars era.

He has too much content

[wispy lichen]

I find it fascinating that (Andor) ||Luthen is functionally similar to a character from|| (HTTE) || Bel Iblis||

[golden flame]

Huh

Its been forever since I've read Heir

I should do that again

I've got the 20th anniversary edition with authors and editors notes in the margins

Its so interesting

[wispy lichen]

They both serve as ||this militaristic counterpoint to Mothma’s more pacifistic ideals ||

But Mothma in canon ||leads to the destruction of the New Republic||

another reason to hate the sequels 😭

[golden flame]

We don't talk about that

[wispy lichen]

You should join our group read. We’re starting with HTTE this week or next week.

[golden flame]

Mmmm I might

[wispy lichen]

Sequels ||They do her so dirty 😭||

[warm thicket]

Is there anything in cannon about Senator Bel Iblis?

[patent schooner]

not that i know

[warm thicket]

Forgive my spelling. He came up in the Thrawn Trilogy

[wispy lichen]

Aparrently his existence

He is mentioned in one reference book

[toxic rune]

it would have looked exactly the same because these events were retconned in after the setting was done already

[supple star]

That is what happens with any prequel ever.

[patent schooner]

I give up. You just categorically reject prequels

[toxic rune]

not particularly, no

[patent schooner]

There is no point in arguing this anymore

[supple star]

The bigger a story becomes the more inevitable that there will be retcons.

[patent schooner]

Your position is basically:everything written after the OT is a retcon and therefor bad

[toxic rune]

that is not what I said at any point lmao

[patent schooner]

It is the conlusion of what you are saying

[toxic rune]

"everything written in Star Wars is bad" would still be freestyling based on hopes and feelings, but would at least be more accurate to the sentiment

[patent schooner]

Then just say you didnt like it instead of bending over backwards trying to make up plotholes

you are allowed to just not like something

[toxic rune]

liking has nothing to do with it. this is a structural problem that permeates the entirety of star wars and weakens every story told in it

there's only so many galaxy threatening conflicts happening in a short period of time that can happen before the entire premise becomes ridiculous and a parody (willingly or not) of itself

star wars has been over the budget for like 30 years

[patent schooner]

over thousands over years is a short amount of time?

many settings have this issue much worse

[toxic rune]

it is a widespread problem in media yes

[patent schooner]

I can agree on that. But the high republic is a really bad example for this

did you just think absolutely nothing happend in thousand years since the sith empire went away?

[toxic rune]

not another apocalyptic galaxy wide threat to join the unending parade, that's for sure

[patent schooner]

what apocalyptic galaxy wide threat?

the events of the high republic aren't even near in the same scale as something like the clone wars

[toxic rune]

book one has a different view on the situation

[patent schooner]

It doesnt

It is just the biggest crisis of their generation

but far from apocalyptic on a galactic scale

HR||the absolute worst outcome of the events of phase one are that the republic and the jedi get completly pushed out of the outer rim. And that is basically what kinda ends up happening. Maybe also that the Jedi get some bad press for a while.||

[golden flame]

Ok but how the characters view the crisis they're experiencing =/= the actual impact of the event on a galactic scale

[patent schooner]

yeah. Every century has a "worst crisis of the century". No matter how chill everything is

and especially if everything has been pretty chill for a while, any turmoil will be galaxy shaking for the people at the time

even if its on a way smaller scale compared to something like the clone wars

[patent schooner]

Or in other words: The characters world falling apart =/= The world literally falling apart

[toxic rune]

it is still apocalyptic narratively

its actual impact on the fictional galaxy is more or less irrelevant

the problem is its place narratively

[patent schooner]

are you for real? This cannot seriously be you argument

[toxic rune]

it's part of why people have problems with comics

every few years when things get too boring and the writers need to shake things up, galactus or darkseid or whoever attacks in a big event

the more events of this kind that you have, the less each of them matters

[patent schooner]

but those are big in universe not just narrativly big

[toxic rune]

especially if you do a prequel where you shove an event where there was none previously

it cheapens the whole narrative

[patent schooner]

this is also a completly different argument from what you had previously

[toxic rune]

granted, star wars has always been like that, even kotor 1 plays with this notion

but it is still a problem

[patent schooner]

why are you saying there was no event? We simply hadnt seen it yet

[golden flame]

...no? That was your entire argument

[patent schooner]

no it was yours

[patent schooner]

this entire thing rest on it being apocalyptic in universe

[golden flame]

Hold on i miss spoke

[patent schooner]

ok fair

and am i understanding correctly that you are basically saying that any new star wars story that isnt exclusivly chill slice of life is automatically bad?

[toxic rune]

load bearing "basically"

[patent schooner]

but we do have chill slice of life in star wars

If you are just saying: You are tired of Star Wars then that is totally valid. But dont act like it is an objective plot hole

[golden flame]

Ok but like...the galaxy is a big place. Just because a single character or group of characters have Bad Things happen to them doesn't mean there aren't literally trillions of other people in the galaxy all going through some sort of crisis.

Plus, just the longer you go between events, the less direct impact those events will have. And again, the scale matters. I could not tell you a single thing about, say, the history of the Indian subcontinent other than I think the Buddha was from there. But there have been billions of lives there, all with their own crisis in that part of the world, large and small alike. It just doesn't have any immediate bearing on my life today.

[echo echo]

It is called Star Wars

Conflict is uh baked in to the premise

[patent schooner]

yeah, but we still also have stories that are more chill

not as many or as prominent of course

star wars has a wide range of media

[echo echo]

We do, but Pikachu facing when the bulk of new stories also revolve around.... I wanna say "geopolitical" but I guess galactic-political? conflict is Missing The Point

[toxic rune]

important distinction that India exists in real life and star wars is a fictional work

[patent schooner]

well i was not the one doing that so you kinda replied to the wrong person 🤣

[echo echo]

I'm agreeing with you

[toxic rune]

this is a problem when they do it in comics, when they do in star wars and when they do it on pretty much any property

[patent schooner]

sorry I am just really "defensive" today 😅

[golden flame]

...and? So what? Like...the events you're talking about, the High Republic, ultimately WERE smaller in scope, compared to something like the Clone Wars

[toxic rune]

media is generally held to a different scope of analysis than real life due to it being fictional and all

[summer pasture]

I for one think there's too many stories about things. We should've quit while ahead

[golden flame]

So you just dislike retroactive world building. Bro just say THAT. It doesn't inherently weaken an existing narrative

[toxic rune]

especially when they go the prequel route with the "this is about a conflict you have never heard before but that we are going to pretend was really impactful to drive up tension and/or hype"

[summer pasture]

Writing things down was a mistake

[patent schooner]

you know you dont HAVE to consume every bit of star wars media right? You can pace it out however you want. Just wait a couple of years and read it then

[echo echo]

Someome's gotta go back in time and smoke whoever recorded the Epic of Gilgamesh

[toxic rune]

I think someone took care of that already

[golden flame]

Bro it can be impactful to the characters, that's like...the crux of modern storytelling lol

[warm thicket]

Andor S2E2
||The incel boy isn't actually dating the imperial lady, is he?||

[summer pasture]

Yeah it doesn't... Mesh well with later works

Ah, wrong reply

[warm thicket]

||If so, I hate that||

[summer pasture]

Oops

[patent schooner]

||of course he is. He might not legally be an Incel anymore(although he is still one in his heart)||

[echo echo]

Andor s2 ||Biblically inaccurate incel||

[toxic rune]

light of the jedi is trying to be impactful to a little more of the characters

[patent schooner]

yeah a little more. It is not breaking apart the universe

Like we have a big crisis IRL more than once per decade and star wars is a whole galaxy

things are allowed to happen

everyone doesnt have to be in a coma between KOTOR and the clone wars

[warm thicket]

||This is the first thing that is genuinely putting me off the show||

||Dude's a stalker and a creep, and seeing the show reward that kind of behavior is really saddening||

[patent schooner]

||not sure I would call it the show "rewarding his behaviour"||

[toxic rune]

you are aware that media isn't a set of boolean choices, yes?

there is more than two options for stories

allegedly, anyway

[patent schooner]

yeah

your point?

you just wanted a slice of life story for 20 novels?

I mean if that was your wish then fair, I get why you are dissapointed

[warm thicket]

||He was clearly infatuated with her, he stalked her at work, refused to leave her alone when she asked, and when she tried walking away he put his hands on her.||
||Now they're dating.||
||This is, to me, gross.||

[patent schooner]

||sure. It is not like either of them are meant to be role models. It is supposed to be a bit gross||

[warm thicket]

I'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. There certainly is a distinction between depiction and endorsement, and all I've seen of the two of them so far is just the 30 second scene.

[patent schooner]

I sorta get what problem you have with it. To be fair my overall view is affected by having seen how it plays out and saying more on this might be spoilery. Watch and find out

[warm thicket]

Just finished E2. ||I thought the stuff with Cassian on the planet with the other marooned people was interesting, but similar to when he was in prison it feels like it was just put there so that he'd be out of the rest of the first two episodes.||
||Like someone else said earlier, it feels like his stuff is the least interesting of all of what's going on.||
||To be clear, I don't mean it's uninteresting, but compared to all of the other players on the board it feels unimportant||

[patent schooner]

yeah that is totally fair. I think that is kinda almost intended to be the case

[vapid fossil]

S2E2 ||I think the prison thing was more thematically relevant, it showed the consequences of the policy of arbitrary detention that the empire implemented. The jungle planet stuff also is serving to show the fractious nature of the rebellion but it was too comedic for my taste||

[warm thicket]

Knowing that you are speaking with a level of hindsight here is assuring. I don't care about spoilers in this regard.
It's sorta like when a movie about a dog comes out, I wanna know if the dog dies. Don't care that it's a spoiler, I wanna know beforehand so I'm not blindsided

[vapid fossil]

if you want to know [Andor S2 spoilers relating to what you are talking about] ||I think that the relationship is shown to not be healthy||

[warm thicket]

Yeah, there was the bit near the start where ||he said, "I'm with the rebellion" and they asked which one. I wish they had gone deeper down that line instead of the vaguely comedic mutiny route.||

[patent schooner]

||It is depicted as really toxic on both sides with disastrous(and arguably earned) results for both||

[vapid fossil]

||it's funny that that was almost word for word dialogue from the movie Civil War but in that case it was delivered in a way that was very unsettling. I think the contrast between that and this sort of colored my impression of the whole arc||

[patent schooner]

||For a bit of a connection: The Maya Pey brigade is mentioned in one of Saws rants in season 1||

[warm thicket]

||Or even if they were a spinoff from Axis being extremely ruthless in his plans. Saying something like, "we crashed here after we found out Axis wanted to use our sister team as bait in a mission. That's not what we signed up for." ||

[summer pasture]

Oh I have a general point about something related to that actually

Andor general safe for zee + rebels ||considering how they've mentioned it's a catch all code name to make the whole thing more opaque, part of me wonders if they ever thought of using fulcrum as an informant code||

One of those things that could work in universe but not in a doylist sense

[patent schooner]

||canonically Andor as well as some other rebel agents have used the code name fulcrum at one point. It is not exclusive for Ahsoka or Kallus but seems to be used for Rebel spies whilst acting in a specific role||

[summer pasture]

Yeah exactly! ||My point was whether they considered using it for Andor but didn't because of out-of-universe reasons with it being confusing for a more casual audience||

[patent schooner]

||Ah, yeah that would have been cool. But yeah likely confusing for all the filthy casuals out there (no offense)🤣 ||

||but it is also arguably to early in the timeline(not sure about this). Could have worked later episodes maybe||

[wispy lichen]

Andor || or Gilroy thought it was too fanservicey ||

[patent schooner]

||It is waaaaaaaaay to niche lore to be fanservice imo 😅 ||

||not the name fulcrum. But that it was used by more than just Ahsoka||

[bright blade]

Andor Season 2 (first three episodes) ||I've gotta say, the Maya Pei Brigade stuff was my least favorite part of the season. Somehow all the mutiny and infighting and survival against wild beasts was... boring to me. Those guys just felt like they contributed nothing real to the story other than to slow Cassian down and delay his return to Mina-Rau. For a single season that was a condensed version of a four-season outline, that arc somehow felt dragged out and overdone. Very little of it was actually interesting to me, though I suppose it made me all the more eager for Cassian to escape and all the more glad when he finally did. Plus I didn't find them funny when they were supposed to be funny.||

||Andor's one of my favorite shows ever, but that little arc is not one I'd be keen to rewatch.||

[warm thicket]

With Isles of Emberdark coming out July 1st we may want to give a little extra time for everyone to read Heir to the Empire, as many of us will want to read both

[fervent cape]

Andor season 2 1-3 ||I really liked it, the rebellion, especially at this point, is a cobbled together mish mash of random people all in their own tiny sects with little to no overarching order or design that needs pulling together, likely with little to no military experience who have no idea what theyre doing, you cant just spawn an army of seasoned guerilla fighters||

||and I think it did an effective job of showing that||

Andor s2 1-3 ||Its showing too on a much smaller scale the power struggles between Luthen, Saw Gerrera, Kreegyr (and I assume many more in the galaxy) these other somewhat larger somewhat more experienced organisations (but still small compared to the empire) that are butting heads over how the rebellion should be run and their own ideas of how to run things and how not consolidating, which works against them||

[bright blade]

Andor S2 E1-3||I get the idea behind it, and I think the show does it well for the most part. I just felt the Maya Pei Brigade sequence wasn't a great execution of the idea and that it dragged on too long.||

[summer pasture]

I think that's kind of the point actually

Andor 2x1-3 ||I felt the point was it being a bit too long and a bit too grating as you're presented it via cassian's perspective and he's completely over it from the first second||

[warm thicket]

Is Andy Serkis the only actor to play two different characters in Star Wars?

I feel like he might be

[vapid fossil]

pretty sure Lucas was a character in several movies

[echo echo]

What are you talking about he's only Kino Loy

[vapid fossil]

Maul's actor is also a few different people iirc

[summer pasture]

Also, y'know

Temuera Morrison

[echo echo]

Clancy Brown is too

[vapid fossil]

if you want people who have been different characters for non inworld reasons and also restricted to live action I think the only other guy of note is Simon Pegg

[vale dirge]

Kenny Baker

[echo echo]

I assume you mean Sam Witwer, not the live action Maul

(Which, yes he also is)

[vale dirge]

Warwick Davis as well

[vapid fossil]

Star Wars ||I think he was the live action maul in Solo||

[vale dirge]

In fact, Warwick Davis might have played the most characters in Star Wars

[summer pasture]

Oh also Ahmed Best

[vale dirge]

Unless you count voice roles

[summer pasture]

Well, that one Episode II scene means Tem Morrison kinda edges it /s

[warm thicket]

I more mean main characters, not people seen on screen for a bit

[vale dirge]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-actors-more-than-one-character/

[warm thicket]

Shoulda checked SR, of course they have a video about it

[queen folio]

Wait who else has Andy Serkis been?

[echo echo]

Snoke

[queen folio]

Oh right 🤦‍♂️

Now I remember the crossover jokes with Gollum

[dry herald]

Andor s1 ||Ah, so that's where the kino is snoke memes come from ||

[warm thicket]

These two are the closest to what I was thinking about Andy Serkis being two people

[summer pasture]

TBF jokes aside Tem Morrison counts as he's a major antagonist in a mainline film and also as another character has a pretty prominent role

[warm thicket]

For sure yeah

[golden flame]

Temuera doesnt count and you know it

[golden flame]

Solo ||Not exactly; he was physically portrayed by his original actor, but voiced by Sam||

[summer pasture]

fwiw I was only counting both fetts and not seriously considering the borderline cameo re: clones

[golden flame]

Fair lol

[warm thicket]

It counts*
-# * him playing both Fetts and the clones does technically fit with what I was thinking, which was named main characters in the live action media that even casual viewers would go, "oh yeah those two characters!" Though him playing a clone of himself renders it obvious, which is why I had left him out in my head

Like, I wasn't thinking about voice actors because it's pretty normal for one voice actor to have several roles in a given piece of media. And I wasn't considering Easter egg cameos or Glupp Crappo type characters.
-# edit: I misspelled the fake name making fun of how fans get super bent out of shape about random background characters, and a fan got super bent out of shape about it so I fixed it.

[ionic sonnet]

||This is how I felt as well. They felt a bit like filler episodes to make the season 12 episodes or sth.. but the rest of the season picked up the pace||

[warm thicket]

Andor all for the picture
No idea what it's about, but I can guess and I'm eager to see what goes down

[cedar osprey]

DANGIT MAN, I tried to get my tickets but the HoloNet crashed

[wintry lark]

I could see her being cast as a Star Wars character

[dull dust]

imma be honest i have no idea who sabrina carpenter is and at this point im afraid to ask shes everywhere

[wintry lark]

Famous pop musician whose career apparently started on Disney Channel

[autumn hemlock]

#1378391089366696046, but what's she famous for? I don't think I recognize the name

[echo echo]

I think 90% of my exposure to the name is people being mad that other people are mad about her, which extremely disincentivizes me from wanting to know more even if I were interested in pop (I am not)

[cedar osprey]

Don’t worry I’m Gen Z, she’s a former Disney Channel start turned pop singer

She’s very popular among Gen Z

[dry herald]

Hah, I'm genz and didn't know who she was either! I'm an outlier!

[magic harness]

You've probably heard Espresso or Please Please Please on the radio

[dull dust]

Radio! I have to many podcast to listen to listen to radio

[magic harness]

Hahah. It’s mostly being around other people who don’t listen to podcasts in the car for me

[dry herald]

Ehh, I really only listen to Playlist I've made, which is mostly video game soundtracks

[ionic sonnet]

Same for me but I've heard her songs at malls, cafes, and gym classes. It's like.. everywhere

So there's a good chance you've heard her song but just don't know it was hers

[unkempt sail]

for a while spotify kept putting espresso as the next song in playlists last summer.

eh, if Lizzo can be in Mandelorian might be a matter of time for Sabrina

[warm thicket]

Andor S2E3
||Y'all when the party orb flew in everyone lost their minds||

[vapid fossil]

S2 not S1

[vapid fossil]

[TLJ] Interesting idea Mark ||https://fxtwitter.com/sw_holocron/status/1938228812656849317 ||

Star Wars Holocron (@sw_holocron)

Mark Hamill came up with a much darker head canon backstory for Luke becoming a “hermit” in THE LAST JEDI
︀︀
︀︀“I thought, what could make someone give up a devotion to what is basically a religious entity, to give up being a Jedi. Well, the love of a woman. So he falls in love with a woman. He gives up being a Jedi. They have a child together. At some point the child, as a toddler, picks up an unattended lightsaber, pushes the button and is killed instantly. The wife is so full of grief, she kills herself.”
︀︀
︀︀(Source: youtu.be/7JmNkjblUfQ?si=Vgz-wZxFPPPv1hVC))

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FxTwitter · Jun 26, 2025, 1:32 PM

[dull dust]

honestly would be way more believable and would have worked tbh

but also we know this leads ||to trying to nuke abados ||stargate

[broken smelt]

Yeah I have no issues with Mark, but... a lot of his writing ideas are definitely not for me 😅

[mild sphinx]

My mind went exactly to this.

Carrie was the writer of the bunch and her inputs were sorely missed

[toxic rune]

I'm just gonna say it

that's an awful idea mr. Hamill

there is an okay idea there in a sea of bad

[autumn hemlock]

Hamill Idea ||What if instead of killing herself, NotMaraJade leaves Luke because he's stupid enough to leave a loaded lightsaber lying around where a toddler can get it, and he just sorta spirals?||

[echo echo]

Remember who we're talking about here

[autumn hemlock]

||Maybe she's kicking around the New Republic 2 bases (they aren't a resistance or rebellion), and R2D2 wakes up because she stumbles upon him while they're evacuating the base or something||

[upper tangle]

did not know this existed (the forum thread)

https://bsky.app/profile/thespaceshipper.com/post/3lsjdwpwcsk2j

The Spaceshipper 🚀 (@thespaceshipper.com)

My son wanted to know where the SW movies were set. I used the new map on the official website to get an idea. 😅
No directions, no planets you can only see for three seconds. It's just to get an idea of the characters' journeys.

Orange: Prequels
Red: OT
Violet: Sequels
Green: Solo
Yellow: Rogue One

-# The Spaceshipper 🚀 (@thespaceshipper.com)
My Midi-chlorian, it's full of stars!

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Bluesky · Jun 26, 2025, 2:35 PM

[patent schooner]

Hyperspace is one hell of a drug

[dense lance]

Once again remembering that Starkiller Base was Ilum

-# Zendaya was Meechee

[cedar osprey]

Revenge of the Sith if it was good: (spoilers for ROTS

[wispy lichen]

That’s just RotS novel tbh

[vapid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[cedar osprey]

Truly the greatest actor of our generation

[ionic sonnet]

I played Star Wars rebellions for the first time yesterday. It was fun but so complicated. the rules explanation alone took a whole hour and then some

But the game came with tiny figurines

[queen folio]

Ooo how does it work?

[ionic sonnet]

It's explained to me as an "asymmetric war game" (whatever that means). But basically it follows the OT stories. One side is the empire and the other side is the rebel. The empire side wants to find the rebel base and destroy it. The rebel side needs to complete tasks to earn reputation and over throw the empire

And the empire side gets a Death Star. I used it to blow up Dagobah pretty early on so ||Luke never had the chance to become a jedi||

https://youtu.be/yzjXjtuym1Y?si=m0lGWE78xeVjEuR_

Note that the person teaching up the game said "you don't usually use the Death Star until late game and you are pretty certain there's a rebel base"
And I blow something up on round 3

[warm thicket]

Note that in A New Hope ||The empire very explicitly did not wait to use the Death Star until they were certain they found a rebel base||

[patent schooner]

Its a really fun game. Played it multiple times with my dad and brother

Did you use the rogue one expansion? I think it is a really good addition to the game and enhances replayability

[ionic sonnet]

No we didn't play the expansion as it was our first ever game. But the person teaching up have the expansion

[patent schooner]

yeah, propably for the best in the first game

[ionic sonnet]

I feel like we'd need at least 5-6 playthroughs to start getting into the expansion

[patent schooner]

understandable. I am very experienced with board games so I usually want to play with expansions pretty quickly

which admittedly sometimes goes hilariously wrong

[dry herald]

It's a pretty fun game. Only issue I have with it is how skewed it is towards the empire. Makes sense in world, but makes for not as enjoyable gameplay (or maybe both me and the people I've played with are just garbage at playing as rebels )

[restive bluff]

I played it once with my brothers but I don’t remember it much so we’d probably have to spend an hour rediscovering the rules if we play again

[patent schooner]

You can win just fine as the rebels. I am actually not sure who is favored but it is assymetric for sure

[dry herald]

I guess my experience was just that whoever was empire would be able to cover pretty much the empire galaxy within 5-6 turns

[patent schooner]

yeah. But that is kinda the point. They own the galaxy, the rebels need to do some guerrilla stuff

[dry herald]

Yeah, like I said, makes sense form a lore perspective

It's also that neither of us were able to find a working strategy against the empire without soem modifications to the rules

[patent schooner]

and you are totally able to win as rebels. You need to be careful and be good at doing the missions without overextending and just be a pain in the empires backside as much as you can.

but tbf fair you can be screwed if you have really bad luck

[ionic sonnet]

From what I've heard, the base game is about 50/50 win rate for the empire and rebel, and the expansion is a bit more skewed towards the empire. The thing is more that the empire side plays more similar to traditional games of this kind so for new players it's easier to play the empire side

the rebel side has a steeper learning curve

[patent schooner]

yeah that seems correct

if you try and play it symmetrical as rebels you will most likely loose

[ionic sonnet]

The game we had yesterday was actually really close. It basically came down to the last couple of dice throw. I was playing empire but I don't have much experience in board games and the other player was more experienced in board games in general, so it worked out

[spare frost]

watching andor season 1 rn

How the hell is the empire actually governed

is it like federalist or what, how is ig governed

whay does the emeperor actually manage himself,Does he just have like a cabinent of advisors

[vale dirge]

It’s hierarchical. You have planetary governors, then sector moffs, then grand moffs

There’s a legislative branch for a while

[spare frost]

so its feudalist basically

[dull dust]

Each system gets a senator. there may be more than 1 culture per senator which creates problems

[vale dirge]

But the Emperor basically says what he wants to get done and everyone works to make it happen

[dull dust]

depends

[spare frost]

i shouldve really gone into this having watched the movies in the last 20 years though lol

i remember basically nothing

[dull dust]

he has an advisory council btw

[spare frost]

other than like ||Jedi exist, Vader is lukes father,vader turns good||

[wintry lark]

No, because it's based around meritocratic promotions, like in a millitary

(said merit basically being "good at being evil")

[grave cliff]

Also, from what I understand, the Emperor sees the empire as a means to an end. Fundamentally he's a space wizard trying to find the way to immortality. He leaves the paperwork of government to underlings.

[wintry lark]

If he's personally involved it's something very important

often something sith related

[wispy lichen]

There’s a military - civilian divide with high ranking Grand Admirals having jurisdiction over Grand Moffs in time of warfare, but generally Moffs/Governors/etc. having more jurisdiction in their regional sectors during time of peace

[wintry lark]

I said like in a millitary

[wispy lichen]

Ah

[echo echo]

It isn't that important except in stories where the structure is directly interfaced with and in those cases, it is usually explained. The Empire is really in a transition from Republic to Empire that isn't fully completed until A New Hope, so anything between is transitional and everything after is in the midst of the fall of the Empire

[patent schooner]

It is really not feudalistic since the military is centrally controlled. Under feudalism the Imperial Navy wouldnt be a thing or a atleast waaaaaaaaaaaay smaller

[patent schooner]

General Imperial Era Worldbuilding spoilers:||Basicallly the Senate exists like in the Republic but it has way less actual power in practice. There is COMPNOR which is basically the ruling council(we dont really see any of them in Andor but ISB is beholden to them). Military Sector and Planetary Governors/Moffs are appointed by the Empire which over time get more and more power of the Native local governments, totally replacing them in some cases when the local government is deemed traitorous. Local governments(Mostly planetary and which can take a variety of forms(Monarchies, Theocracies, Republics, Hiveminds, Corporate boards - pretty much whatever you can imagine)) are still around and can still have a lot of power as long as the play along with the Imperial Governor/Moff in charge. During Episode 4 the Senate gets officially disbanded and the Imperial Governors now have pretty much Dictatorial powers over their assigned Regions(but occasionally they leave the local governments structures in place if they have a good working relationship and are a convenient puppet so to say). Grand Moffs can be in charge over entire Sectors and are extremely powerful. Tarkin is Grand Moff of the entire Outer Rim.||

||To give and Example: Naboo still has their Elected Queen and other government structures who appoints senators and can do most of the local governing. But they also have a Moff(Imperial Governor) who will in this example be mostly hands of as long as Naboo stays in line. That Moff will have Army and Navy under their command to "keep the peace". In the case of Naboo they wont have a lot since it is a pretty secure core system. He likely will have ISB agents assigned to him but those will be less directly under his control and will likely answer to a someone of the same rank as Dedra Meero. If there is too much trouble on Naboo the Moff could request additional Imperial forces. One thing to keep in mind is things can look very different from planet to planet||

||Navy, Army(including Stormtrooper Corps) and the Intelligent agencies work to suppress anyone who falls out of line. Imperial Governors generally have Fleets and other Military assets assigned to them as necessary. ISB are pretty powerful since they can take charge if ´they deem it necessary as they work directly under COMPNOR and the Emperor||
||The Imperial Inquisition also exist and they can do almost whatever they want in pursuit of their mission, but they mostly only care about jedi. They work directly for Vader||

well damn that was one hell of a ramble 😅

It is a bit simplified but I think it is mostly accurate

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-for-coming-thanks-for-coming-to-my-ted-talk-thank-you-for-coming-to-my-ted-talk-gif-14266402

[bright blade]

This is so niche, I love it.

[warm thicket]

Andor and A New Hope
||Me when I first learned the Empire's activities on Gormon were intended to destroy the planet: Holy crap, this project is serious and they really don't care.||
||Me when I remembered that the project is building a weapon that destroys planets: oh yeah.||

[golden flame]

Lmao real

[warm thicket]

Andor S2E8, about halfway through
||This is why you treat women with respect. If you don't you'll get got in the middle of the empire trying to put down a group of protesters||

[patent schooner]

||satisfied with how that "romance" turned out? 😅 ||

[warm thicket]

||I don't know the right word to use really. Satisfied carries a positive connotation, and I really don't have happy feelings about how their relationship ended.||
||But yeah, I'm glad the show didn't portray their relationship as working out well for either of them||

[cedar osprey]

Pretty big Star Wars YouTuber EckhartsLadder has a scoop that Disney might be restoring the theatrical cuts of the original Star Wars trilogy https://x.com/eckhartsladder/status/1942709030478078073?s=46

EckhartsLadder (@EckhartsLadder)

So, I have a fairly big, genuine bit of Star Wars news to leak.

In short: Lucasfilm is in the process of restoring the Star Wars Original Trilogy for public release. Probably on D+.

And there is proof.

I'll explain as much as I can, though there are limits to what I can share.

X · Jul 8, 2025, 10:15 PM

He offers some pretty solid proof in the thread if you all wanna check it out

[dull dust]

Releasing a blue ray with all versions would be a brilliant way to make money

[wintry lark]

Wasn't keeping the special edition stuff part of their agreement with Lucas or something

[golden flame]

For real. People would buy that so quickly

[autumn hemlock]

Calling it now, they're only restoring the OT masters so they can release an AI Enhanced Edition

[warm thicket]

Who would win? The biggest media cooperation in the world or Some Guy?

[ionic sonnet]

God please no

[cedar osprey]

Let him cook https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1944864136544051227?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

David Corenswet’s Star Wars watch order:

1️⃣ 'A New Hope’
2️⃣ ‘The Empire Strikes Back’
3️⃣ ‘The Phantom Menace’
4️⃣ ‘Attack Of The Clones’
5️⃣ ‘Revenge Of The Sith’
6️⃣ ‘Return Of The Jedi’

(Source: @BBRoyalCourt)

X · Jul 14, 2025, 8:58 PM

[bitter trail]

i've decided my star wars viewing order is

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
The Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
Andor
Rogue One
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
The Return of the Jedi

[patent schooner]

I have no objections

[topaz cliff]

I think revenge of the sith is worth throwing in at the end to see how the world got that way

[rose cliff]

Revenge of the Sith my beloved

[patent schooner]

you need to watch the clone wars movie inbetween each one

on 0.25 speed

[golden flame]

I've seen that order, the idea is that the prequels are a "flashback" to explain ||Anakin/Vader|| after the reveal

[grave cliff]

This is just machete order, but with phantom menace

[wispy lichen]

My SW watch order is Original Trilogy, Prequels, then Heir to the Empire

All the way to New Jedi Order

Just peak fiction

Speaking of, for the people who wanted to do a readalong are y’all ready to start this week? Next week? We had mentioned starting at Heir to them Empire unless someone wants to start somewhere else.

@wispy vortex @warm thicket @cedar osprey @muted aspen Tagging people I remember mentioning being interested, but ofc no pressure to any of y’all / everyone is welcome to join, just asking people who already expressed interest. ☺️

#1364954784737792102 message

[warm thicket]

I'm down to start next week

[autumn hemlock]

Tell ya what, I just placed a Libby hold on Heir to the Empire. It's giving me a 2-week ETA, so as long as you give people enough time for me to get access to it to read it, I'm willing to be along for the ride, at least for a bit

[wispy lichen]

For sure.

[wispy vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-thrawn-grand-admiral-thrawn-chiss-empire-gif-3109493310366320098

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-grand-admiral-thrawn-thrawn-empire-rebels-gif-12466504707971657453

A reminder of young thirst trap Thrawn

[magic harness]

Yeah same. It’s my favorite. And it’s because of Stover.

[wispy lichen]

Stover is just the goat

He’s why NJO is my favorite

[wispy vortex]

Im rereading Thrawn Ascendency right now and that picture certainly puts a new face on him

[wispy lichen]

Yeah these are like additional arts from special editions of Ascendancy for Barnes and Noble I think

Cosmic you oughta read RotS lol

Stover is insanely good

[magic harness]

You don’t know how much

[wispy vortex]

I didnt like it, ymmv

[wispy lichen]

I think Traitor is better, but it has the unfortunate quality of being landlocked in NJO

So saying “you should read Traitor” means “read this 19 book series” 😉

The cover for Traitor is

[echo echo]

Ain't no way Thrawn is ever getting caught dead with messy hair like in the picture on the right. Even if that hair is within Imperial regs (ain't no way lmao) he's never not going to be the most pristinely groomed officer in the room

Thrawn is precisely the kind of asshole who, when you wake him up for an emergency at like 3am, he manages to show up within 5 minutes dressed all the way up, cleanly shaven, and with parted hair

[wispy vortex]

That image was pre imperial

[echo echo]

I had a CO who once responded (personally, for reasons I'll never understand) to a fire in boxers and flip flops and a tank top

[echo echo]

Doubt it was within Republic regs too

[autumn hemlock]

When you go to wake him up for an emergency, you hear music you've never heard before playing from his alarm clock

[wispy vortex]

It was when he was still with the Chiss Ascendancy

[echo echo]

Literally, it doesn't matter, is the point

[wintry lark]

so basically the machete order

[wispy vortex]

Not every military has the same regs lol

[wintry lark]

the only difference is that it includes TPM

[echo echo]

Man you read half of what I said and got so hung up on it that you missed the point

Even if that hair is within whatever regs you care to mention, Thrawn isn't showing up like that

He could climb out of a foxhole after an artillery shelling and he'd look pristine, inexplicably

[autumn hemlock]

Oh hey, my hold is available

[echo echo]

Shortest two weeks I ever saw

[vestal quiver]

Wait we can say asshole? Omg I’ve been left to using way softer words for so long

[echo echo]

Ever since Hoid said it

[vestal quiver]

Ty Kon

[autumn hemlock]

Two weeks is code for "You're next in line"

[vestal quiver]

So what I’m hearing is we just need to get Brandon to put a bunch of swears in

[warm thicket]

There's an ability in a game I used to play called Scion, "Doin' Fine"
The ability allows you to appear pristine nomatter the circumstances. You could get into a fight with a bear and come out looking ready for an interview.
Thrawn has this knack for sure

[autumn hemlock]

I'm guessing it was on a short list of titles they don't have licenses for, but are pre-approved to acquire or something

[echo echo]

Nah they stopped using that as an auto in with... RoW? WaT? one of them had a stronger swear and the mods said "okay this policy doesn't work anymore" basically

[vestal quiver]

Boooooooooooo

[warm thicket]

My favorite curse in all of the Cosmere is from Rhythm of War.
||"Nale's Nuts!"||
No notes, beautiful

[vestal quiver]

Would’ve loved to see the community try to band together for a noble cause

[echo echo]

They aren't wrong, exactly, but also, boooooooooooooooooooo

[vestal quiver]

No they’re absolutely right, but it would’ve been really funny to get Brandon to put escalating swears into the books

So booooooooo

[echo echo]

He's done that on his own lmao

[autumn hemlock]

The curse filter could've aged with the fandom!

[vestal quiver]

I know I’m so proud

It’s beautiful

[muted aspen]

I can start whenever as long as I can get my hand on a copy of the books tonight

[wispy lichen]

I was looking at my HTTE to get ready and it’s a bit… well-loved

[wispy vortex]

As books should be!

[warm thicket]

My audiobook looks nothing like that smh

[short whale]

That guy has quite an 8-pack

[wispy lichen]

His toy does too

[warm thicket]

All the Jedi do on the covers like that. I think Luke has one on the poster for A New Hope

[patent schooner]

they passively mindtrick people into seing them that way /j

[dry herald]

Heir to the empire ||I mean, if anyone would do that, it would be C'baoth ||

[warm thicket]

...
Is that really how his name is spelled?

I've only ever listened to the audiobook

[autumn hemlock]

Nah, they've just mastered the art of passive exercise, and are constantly subjecting themselves to resistance training via The Force

[wispy lichen]

HTTE ||C’baoth would||

[warm thicket]

I'm sorry y'all, I can't do the readalong anymore. This is like when I tried reading Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes only to remember his name is Coriolanus and that I'd have to hear that the whole book

||I really thought it was Sabioth. Maybe Sabi'oth because apostrophes make things Star Wars||

Return of the Jedi ||This betrayal is roughly how Luke felt when Obi-Wan said he didn't tell him Darth Vader was his father||

[autumn hemlock]

So far I'm almost halfway through HTTE, and I keep having these jarring moments of "I've absolutely read this before". Fortunately, they're just moments of "I know this sequence", and I've forgotten like 90% of everything else, so I'm enjoying the ride anyways. There are a few other sequences I pretty clearly remember having read, and the pieces don't seem to be in place for them to be on the table in this book, so I'm excited to find out how many other books I've read.

[ionic sonnet]

I just got HTTE audiobook from Libby. I've never finished a SW novel before so I'm kind of looking forward to starting it tonight

[wispy lichen]

Ooh I’ll get started reading tonight if other people are reading. Ik we mentioned starting officially next week, so maybe we can set Monday to Monday (a book a week) as the schedule, unless others feel longer would be better? We can do a book every two weeks? Up to you all. I will create a graphic with the proposed reading order and more info on the books we were looking at, as well as which ones are in a series together so people can hop in or out on books/series that interest them.

(And people only wanting to read the Thrawn Trilogy is totally valid)

[ionic sonnet]

A book a week would be a bit challenging for me.. I'm a slow reader. But I'll let others decide what's best

[warm thicket]

I would also prefer two weeks per book based on how quickly I normally read

[golden flame]

These are kinda long books, tbh, two weeks would probably work better, especially if some are slower readers or doing audio books

[wispy lichen]

Sounds good. Let’s do 2 weeks then.

[wispy lichen]

Here is the proposed reading order. Most series (and novels) are standalone and so you don’t have to read everything if you don’t want to, only what interests you. This provides a basic foundation of info for going into the New Jedi Order series (the culmination of the Legends chronology and biggest Legends story)

Nothing is required to go into NJO, but it makes it more fun to know the characters that show up. Think an Avengers movie. Some knowledge of even one or two heroes helps, but none is really required to appreciate the movie.

[warm thicket]

So 31 total books?
I'm excited for this just to see where we all are after over a year of reading Star Wars

[ionic sonnet]

I'll try my best to not be distracted by other stuff half way through

[wispy lichen]

I think it’s 36 total

But same difference

[warm thicket]

My plan is physical books for the club, audiobooks for personal reading

[wispy lichen]

Yeah it’s a lot of reading the nice thing is this is easy to hop in/out of with different series. The “required” stuff would just be Thrawn trilogy and Hand of Thrawn duology before New Jedi Order.
And I personally think when we do hit NJO, some of the duologies within it can be clumped together (they’re 200-300 page books at that point) but we can evaluate that when we get there case by case

[ionic sonnet]

my plan is whatever format I can get my hands on through the library, probably. But I suspect I'll end up buying the books

[wispy lichen]

I, Jedi is the only one I have to get

[golden flame]

That tracks

[autumn hemlock]

Yeah, my pacing will vary wildly based on hold availability. On that note, any chance we could get a list of book names? Zooming in on a picture always feels sketchy

[wispy lichen]

Sure. I’ll type out a full list.

[wispy lichen]

It’s a book that redoes the main plot of another trilogy with a different MC. I read the original trilogy instead.

[golden flame]

Fair lol

[wispy lichen]

But I, Jedi is better written

[golden flame]

I meant more "it tracks you have nearly all the books"

[wispy lichen]

Oh I have a lot of mainline books lol. Star Wars books are my main collection.

Still working my way to own all Legends books at some point.

[autumn hemlock]

(also text is searchable, so I can just drop CurrentBook in the search bar and eventually get to the list)

[ionic sonnet]

Also, I don't know how pins work here but any chance the list (either photo or typed) can be pined for easy reference during the real along?

[autumn hemlock]

alternatively, edit it into a post below this, and everyone remember I used the string "unique search key blargle"

[wispy lichen]

Book Club Reading Order

• We will take two weeks per book, going from Monday to Monday

In the order we’ll be reading, including author names:
Thrawn Trilogy, by Timothy Zahn

1. Heir to the Empire
2. Dark Force Rising
3. The Last Command

X-Wing: Rogue Squadron books by Michael Stackpole

1. Rogue Squadron
2. Wedge’s Gamble
3. The Krytos Trap
4. The Bacta War

I, Jedi by Michael Stackpole

X-Wing: Wraith Squadron by Aaron Allston

1. Wraith Squadron
2. Iron Fist
3. Solo Command
4. Isard’s Revenge (by Michael Stackpole)
5. Starfighters of Adumar by Aaron Allston

The Courtship of Princess Leia by Dave Wolverton

Hand of Thrawn Duology by Timothy Zahn

1. Specter of the Past
2. Vision of the Future

More Zahn books

1. Outbound Flight
2. Survivor’s Quest

Rogue Planet by Greg Bear

Annnnnd
New Jedi Order by many authors

1. Vector Prime by RA Salvatore
2. Dark Tide I: Onslaught by Michael Stackpole
3. Dark Tide II: Ruin by Michael Stackpole
4. Agents of Chaos I: Hero’s Trial by James Luceno
5. Agents of Chaos II: Jedi Eclipse by James Luceno
6. Balance Point by Kathy Tyers
7. Edge of Victory I: Conquest by Greg Keyes
8. Edge of Victory II: Rebirth by Greg Keyes
9. Star by Star by Troy Denning
10. Dark Journey by Elaine Cunningham
11. Enemy Lines I: Rebel Dream by Aaron Allston
12. Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand by Aaron Allston
13. Traitor by Matthew Stover
14. Destiny’s Way by Walter Jon Williams
15. Force Heretic I: Remnant by Sean Williams and Shane Dix
16. Force Heretic II: Refugee by Sean Williams and Shane Dix
17. Force Heretic III: Reunion by Sean Williams and Shane Dix
18. The Final Prophecy by Greg Keyes
19. The Unifying Force by James Luceno

[autumn hemlock]

Excellent, thanks!

[echo echo]

Loved the X-wing books

Probably the only Star Wars books I loved if I'm being honest

[warm thicket]

I look forward to them in that case

[wispy vortex]

Youre in for a treat, its so much better

[wispy vortex]

Isards Revenge is technically Rogue Squadron 5 btw

And we can throw Wraith Squadron 4 after I, Jedi

[wispy lichen]

(I know, but chronologically it fits)

[wispy vortex]

Well, we can still read Starfighters of Adumar

SoA ||Cant miss Wedge and Iella finally getting together||

[wispy lichen]

Where in the timeline does it go?

[wispy vortex]

Chronologically, after I, Jedi, before NJO

So it works with the rest of the Wraith Squadron books

even though its not about them lol

[wispy lichen]

Aight, I’ll tack it on the end there

[dull dust]

Out of curiosity when yall starting your read along

[wispy lichen]

Next week Monday. Heir to the Empire for 2 weeks.

But some people (including me) are starting early lol

[wispy vortex]

Join us!

I’m starting as soon as I finish the canon Thrawn trilogy

[wispy lichen]

I’ve been reading the Mara comic as prep

It’s good

[dull dust]

The biggest hurdle to me rereading it is honestly just getting the energy to find it. And if I can’t purchasing it again

Reading it will take under 4 hours

[warm thicket]

How do you read so fast?

Genuine question, I've never been able to read much faster than I speak

[wispy vortex]

Practice tbh

My eyes skip a lot of conjunctions and articles and my brain fills them in

[wispy lichen]

I read faster when I get engaged in the book

So slow at first then fast by the end

Star Wars books in particular are pretty easy reads and many times are below 400 pages

So I read those a bit faster

[unkempt sail]

husband's had star wars books for a while so I could join another readalong hmmmmmm

[wispy lichen]

You shooouuuld

HTTE 2

[wispy vortex]

God, I want to continue my legends read through, but I really don’t want to read Dark Nest again

[wispy lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

For context: Bean keeps asking me to finish Dark Nest

But I do plan to read it. I hope to one day have read all of Legends lol.

[wispy vortex]

You have to read it once! Its the price for more Jacen

[dense lance]

I would offer the counter opinion that Dark Nest, and everything chronologically after NJO, is not worth reading if you like Jacen Solo

[wispy vortex]

But you see, its for our entertainment, the ones watching her reactions

[dense lance]

okay fair

[wispy vortex]

Theres gonna be so many gasps

[dense lance]

there's gonna be so many "who the hell is this person wearing Jacen's skin!?" moments

[wispy lichen]

😭

For context for those who haven’t heard about it: Dark Nest is an infamously bad series written by Troy Denning under a misunderstanding of something that happens during New Jedi Order

[dense lance]

"misunderstanding"

he wrote a 27-page essay about it

dude just really hated the conclusions of NJO

[wispy lichen]

Meanwhile the conclusion of NJO is based and perfect

[dense lance]

yes, mostly

[wispy vortex]

And, most egregiously, ||tries to force Jaina and Zekk together||

[wispy lichen]

I have one complaint about Unifying Force and it’s that ||they should have let Mara, former assassin, just gun down Nom Anor. She deserved the kill. ||

[toxic rune]

that is another problem I have with going back to older book series

especially adventure ones

it's all going to be het romance 😔

I need my gays

[dense lance]

my only notable complaint is that from Destiny's Way on ||they misunderstand the idea that "there is no dark side" doesn't mean that you can just lightning people willy-nilly||

[wispy vortex]

||Nah, canonically in Legends (it shows up in multiple places), light side users can lightning people with nonlethal lightning that cant kill||

||Luke does it once in a while||

[dense lance]

...Luke is not a exemplar of goodness

[wispy vortex]

Its specified each time

[dense lance]

"emerald justice"

judgment. whatever

[wispy vortex]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Electric_Judgment

[toxic rune]

it's always going to be Plo Koon's thing for me 😤

it's really funny to me that Plo Koon's excuse is that he wasn't angry when he used it so it's okay

yeah no there was no anger involved in the harming people with lightning so that clears it morally

[wispy vortex]

Thats basically how star wars works

If you arent angry when you decapitate them, youre cool

[toxic rune]

pretty much

[wispy lichen]

The thing about this that is so funny is yeah, you can interpret the concept in several ways that all could be correct. There is some level of vagueness. But Denning’s interpretation is just straight up wrong lmao.

[toxic rune]

slavery, murder, mind control, torture, telepathic interrogation that can destroy a person's mind, all that's fine but anger? big no no

[wispy lichen]

We’ve even argued on this server about what Stover meant XD

[dense lance]

"Ah, I see. You can do whatever you want, so long as you maintain your Jedi calm? So long as you can tell yourself you’re valuing life? You can kill and kill and kill and kill, so long as you don’t lose your temper?" She shook her head, blinking astonishment. "Isn’t that a little sick?"

[wispy lichen]

Queen slay 💅🏻

[dense lance]

one of the few moments where she expresses a direct opinion iirc

[wispy vortex]

I didnt read it as her opinion, more a rhetorical tactic to force him to reconsider it from a different point of view

[dense lance]

potentially

[wispy lichen]

NJO || “Everything I tell you is a lie”||

[dense lance]

||"you will find no truth in me"||

as Peña said, it's Socratic, in a weird way

wait nvm, he says she's Nietzschean

[wispy lichen]

I can definitely see both in her

[broken smelt]

I think other than a few standalones, Fate of the Jedi is the only major Legends books I haven't read. Dark Nest is certainly an experience though

[wispy lichen]

I finished up the Trooper story and got started on the Smuggler story in SWTOR.

I think Smuggler is a lot more fun.

I just got || my ripoff Chewbacca||

[echo echo]

I don't know if I wasn't in the right headspace for it or what but when I did Smuggler it just felt like the most uninspired take on the idea they could have run with

Trooper wasn't fun but at least it was a relatively original idea for Star Wars (at the time, I think Bad Batch has done something somewhat similar and substantially better since)

[wispy lichen]

Yeah I agree

I mean I think Smuggler is trying to be something specific and I vibe with it

But Trooper was a fairly cut and dry story

[echo echo]

Agent is still my favorite story

Though again, it has had its lunch eaten by Dedra Meero

[wispy lichen]

My favorite so far is either Inquisitor or Consular

[echo echo]

I like Consular as well

[wispy lichen]

Smuggler feels like a solid 3rd

[echo echo]

Inquisitor is very popular but I liked the Warrior a lot better actually

[wispy lichen]

I’ll probably run another knight and inq once I finished all the stories and take those into endgame stories for light and dark endings

[patent schooner]

Yeah I think I like Warrior the most

[echo echo]

I felt like Inquisitor's story was poorly stitched together and was held together more by strength of personality than actual quality storytelling

[wispy lichen]

Warrior is similar to Knight in that it’s a very classic story in what it’s doing. Inquisitor was more fun because ||I loved delving into tombs to steal power from ancient artifacts while crawling my way to the top from the bottom dredges of sith society||

So Inq wins because of the vibes

Similar to consular

[echo echo]

Knight actually worked for me in that it felt like you were playing John Star War without also feeling like a copy-paste of Luke, which is why Smuggler didn't vibe for me

[wispy lichen]

That’s fair

I’m playing my smuggler as a John Solo so lol

But I liked Knight a lot

[echo echo]

John Solo lmao

[wispy lichen]

His name is like Calen Fortuna or smth

But I’m playing a flirty, reckless chaotic good smuggler trying to charm or luck his way out of everything

So John Solo

But if you don’t want a copy pasted Han Solo, it probably doesn’t work as well

[echo echo]

Well and its the only class that does that so aggressively

The Warrior doesn't feel like a Darth Vader retread is the other one where I think that was a real concern

(The Trooper does occasionally wander into Commander Shepard territory and not only because the female Trooper VA is Jennifer Hale)

[wispy lichen]

Yeah. Consular feels the most unique to me.

[echo echo]

100%

[patent schooner]

Agent was my first character. Played him as a stone cold killer

[wispy lichen]

I have smuggler, bounty hunter, and agent left. I’ve heard good things about agent so I’m saving it for last.

[patent schooner]

dont remember any details as it was ages ago but I remember it being pretty fun

but my warrior is my main character for sure. The only one I actually finished all the way the whole eternal empire stuff with and is at max level

[wispy lichen]

Aight. I finished the Dark Empire trilogy. It was okay.

I think… it works better than the sequels as the plot of ||Palpatine returning, but it’s still pretty lame and anticlimactic. At least this climax feels related to characters Palpatine has historical beef with and it tracks with his character’s objectives ||

||but also so much stuff could be interesting but is underdeveloped and rushed because it’s a short comic book series ||

[wispy vortex]

Time for Crimson Empire?

[wispy lichen]

That’s next yeah

[wispy vortex]

Also, I just found out Dark Empire has full cast audio adaptations

[wispy lichen]

I’m trying to read most of the stuff I didn’t my first time through, including the comics and more minor side novels (yes… Corellian trilogy, Black Fleet, etc.)

And if I can manage to collect the Jacen/Jaina and Anakin ones I’ll read those too

[wispy lichen]

This is funny

[wispy lichen]

I’m ready for the (Crimson Empire / NJO) ||Nom Anor|| jumpscare lolol

Just for fun I’m also working through the Mara Jade comic which is actually goated. I’m having a blast with that.

(I would only recommend this for anyone who has read Heir to the Empire trilogy though, as it contains spoilers)

[wispy vortex]

I still need to get around to those

[wispy vortex]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/caddicarus-sneaking-sneaky-smirk-sneaking-up-gif-16366355

|| Nom Anor in the background||

[wispy lichen]

|| https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-lmao-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-and-crying-gif-17366703318476009053 ||

[warm thicket]

"Does anyone else find it odd how as soon as the Republic fell reports of people using the force suddenly vanished? Abruptly nobody is able to lift things with their mind anymore. Almost as if it was all made up."
-Conspiracy podcast bros, 2 BBY (probably)

[wispy lichen]

Beginning HTTE once more and (HTTE 2) || “Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new” is so good ||

[wispy vortex]

One of my favorite lines

It’s so perfect the way it changes his perspective

[wispy lichen]

It’s such a good line I just love it

Especially in relation to like… the future of the canon timeline by comparison

[golden flame]

Htte ||it encapsulates the point of episode VI being the Return of the Jedi: Luke is bringing the Order back to life. He's not part of that old system. He can do things better this time.||

[wispy vortex]

||And instead we got The Last Jedi||

[golden flame]

||Shhhhh we're not talking about that||

[cedar osprey]

If Last Jedi has 0 defenders I am dead

How it feels to be the only person in this server that likes The Last Jedi: