Star Wars

[wispy lichen]

||Is he a clone? Yoda and Yaddle’s love child? Someone else’s kid?||

[autumn hemlock]

||Star Wars fans when someone's parentage isn't relevant||

[wispy lichen]

||to be fair: we have seen 3 members of this species total ||

[autumn hemlock]

||4, if KotOR is canon this week||

[wispy lichen]

||yea I was about to say that lol||

||I pulled his wookiepedia page up to get his name which is why I was slower than you XD||

[autumn hemlock]

||It's a shame they made Grogu as old as they did, it'd be hilarious if they lined up the timelines to allow the possibility that only 2 Yodakin exist at a time, and the death of one wills another into existence||

[unkempt sail]

||always two, there are. no more, no less?|| /j

[summer pasture]

Mandalorian all ||We know he escaped Order 66 with a Jedi and that more than forty years later he's in a compound heavily guarded by red shirts with the empire having somehow tagged him enough to geolocate him but not enough to not lose several bounty hunters over time ||

Mandalorian all ||Actually the more I think about it the more the setup was weird, because he's secretive enough for Gideon (Who has ample firepower to do it himself) subcontracts the client, who then subcontracts bounty hunters while obfuscating the whole thing as much as possible, except proudly displaying it's a job for the remnant in the process||

[wispy lichen]

Mandalorian ||we know Grogu is tied to “Project Necromancer” aka reviving Palpatine with his clones. This means Grogu is probably either a clone they want to study for how a clone can be force sensitive or Grogu is super force sensitive genetically so they want to study his genetics to replicate force sensitivity in a clone||

||so he’s important because he’s Palpatine’s way to getting a force sensitive clone ||

[summer pasture]

Mandalorian all ||I don't mean why he was important, that part WAS clear. But there was a weird mix of secretive (subcontract on subcontract, hiding his identity, etc) and brazen (proudly displaying who they are). If it's so secretive, why fly Imperial colors so proudly to anyone interested. If subtlety isn't a hard requirement, why can't Gideon just storm the compound? All people would know is that the Empire wanted something in that planet, which the hiring process shows anyways||

Mandalorian all ||And my actual question remains, what happened in those forty years? Were the Nikto guards, jailers, opportunists looking for leverage? Who fed and clothed him? How and when did he get separated from Kelleran? It just weirdly gets dropped without much fanfare||

[echo echo]

Mando ||I think this was mostly a reflection of Disney trying to move on from Rise of Skywalker And Its Consequences||

||Mando released at about the same time as RoS and I think they probably evaluated and evacuated any semblance of connection to RoS in the wake of the response to it||

||There was also a period where Mando was The Future of Star Wars, and while we've moved on from that too I think they probably wanted to do as much to establish Mando as an independent story as they could for a while||

[broken smelt]

I think that question is still relevant, Mando all ||each season we've seen more of Grogu's backstory. So it's safe to assume we'll get more in the movie. It's unclear if there will be any more seasons of TV after the movie, so if not I would hope the movie gives enough of the important beats to establish why he was in that compound. But if we ARE getting a season 4 at some point, then I think that backstory will continue to rolled out more slowly||

[vestal quiver]

Andor 2x10 || oh god the title is “make it stop”||

2x10 || ah man Luthen why||

2x10 || OMG THATS NOT WHO YOU WANT KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR||

2x10 || SCREAMING ||

[topaz cliff]

Andor 2.10 ||Kleya fans won this week||

[summer pasture]

I have a stupid complaint and I want to see if anyone else shares it

Andor UP TO 2.09, also full Sequel Trilogy spoilers: ||Is it just me that feels Andor (And Rebels, and generally everything between the end of the prequels and the end of the OT) loses a bit of its Hopeful punch when knowing that in the unchanging canon everyone promptly holds the Idiot Ball until it's all for nothing within a lifetime, just because the screenwriters couldn't work something that wasn't "ragtag rebel group vs insurmountable odds"?||

I know it's a bit tantrum-y of me but I feel it's my biggest gripe with current canon

Same tags as before ||Maybe I'm just colored by my own perception, but it reminds me of one of (If not the absolute number one) my favorite books, except the whole POINT of that plot point in the book is that it's meant to hurt (And also the doylist explanation in the book is MUCH less infuriating)||

[vestal quiver]

2x10 || Naboo!||

[bitter trail]

i actually am not sure what the complaint is

i don't think i agree but also i'm not sure because i'm not sure i know what that means

[summer pasture]

Mostly (Same tags mostly to avoid any accidents) ||I personally feel that the fact everything everyone is working towards collapses practically as soon as it begins mostly because of a frankly annoying-to-me out-of-universe reason ends up coloring this. I'm aware it's mostly a me problem||

[bitter trail]

i still don't know what that means

[summer pasture]

Which part

[vestal quiver]

||We win every week!||

[bitter trail]

oh i misread sequel trilogy as original trilogy

i get it now

[summer pasture]

I can see why that wouldn't make sense

[bitter trail]

sw all ||i was like, who's holding the idiot ball? is this about episodes of andor that haven't happened? lolllll||

[vale dirge]

I love Andor, but the Disney+ app sucks

[vestal quiver]

2x10 all || good episode kleya gotta dip though, live Kleya you’re too cool to die||

[bitter trail]

and for me ||i just...... internally decided the sequel trilogy doesn't really exist hahaha so no, i'm able to exist around that||

[vale dirge]

The app keeps interrupting my viewing lol

[summer pasture]

Should probably follow suit

[bitter trail]

"oh haha sure but that wasn't real"

[vestal quiver]

2x10 all + rogue one speculation || huh I have a bad feeling about kleya surviving this because uh feels like cass and the rebels only ever got half the message ||

2x11 || ugh smug little space nazi I hope he’s on the Death Star when it goes up ||

[summer pasture]

Dislike for the sequels' setup and my own Very Correct Takes on the Star Wars Mythos are the two heads of the "maybe one day I'll write one of those mahoosive fics because I can" hydra in me

[bitter trail]

oooh i love a massive fixit

[summer pasture]

A distant third is characters who only I seem to like

[bitter trail]

oh?

[summer pasture]

I just have a lot of half-formed ideas in my mind, between a ground-zero rebuild of the order, maybe including some characters that need to Work Through Stuff with it... There's enough material in my preferred EU stuff for pretty decent "early order" villains too

[summer pasture]

Well, for one I for some reason decided to find a way to write (Episode 2, I guess) ||Coleman Trebor into an actual (posthumous) character||

Why him specifically? Not even I know

[cedar osprey]

I’ve decided that the original trilogy is the only Star Wars that’s canon to me

[vale dirge]

I’ll do you one better, I’ve decided this scene is the only Star Wars that is canon to me

https://tenor.com/view/joh-yowza-jabba-jedi-rock-ahhhh-yahhhh-jizz-wailer-gif-25385828

[weary pine]

andor s2e10 ||Luthen and Dedra scene right from the start omg ||

[cedar osprey]

It’s like poetry, it rhymes

[echo echo]

Andor 210 ||This show might be better at highlighting how appalling the Death Star is than anything that has come before||

[cedar osprey]

“Yeah I’m a huge Star Wars fan but I’ve never interacted with the fandom”

[wispy vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[summer pasture]

I interact with only the part of the fandom that agrees with me enough for the conversations to be fun

[wispy vortex]

This is the only canon scene

[summer pasture]

And that means mostly monkeygirl /s

[vale dirge]

I can’t wait until Discord adds sub-sub-threads so we can get a thread dedicated entirely to discussing whether the Jedi were good or not

[wispy lichen]

I choose to just pretend the Sequels don’t exist

[wispy lichen]

I am tempted to write post NJO fanfic

[vestal quiver]

Quarantine that topic for the good of us all

[cedar osprey]

Hot take: I liked Force Awakens and Last Jedi

Sue me

Spicy take

It’s just Rise of Skywalker that’s horrible

[weary pine]

I liked the force awakens, even with all the ways it retold the same story as A New Hope
fun movie with lots of promise

[summer pasture]

The movies themselves aren't bad, I hate every way they bent the worldbuilding to make them happen

[vestal quiver]

Y’all it’s andor finale night we don’t need to do sequel trilogy plz

[wispy vortex]

I’d read

But not until you read the rest of the books smh

[summer pasture]

Mine'd be a different take on NJO

Worse but with more worldbuilding to fall back on

If I ever wrote it lmao

[cedar osprey]

No I will make an entire 8 hour video about how you are all wrong and you WILL like it (/s)

[weary pine]

andor s2e10 ||So Luthen was a veteran? A member of a merc/pmc group or something like that ||

[vestal quiver]

Andor 2x11 || trying to actually have an organized rebellion seems exhausting lol||

[echo echo]

||The armor his underling is wearing kind of looks proto-stormtrooper somehow||

||I think it was actual Imp military||

[wispy lichen]

Mine would just be NJO if I was writing sequels lol

[echo echo]

210 ||If he was, it makes him sort of an anti-Tarkin of sorts||

[weary pine]

s2e10 ||my first thought was some kind of guerrilla fighting force like the one Saw fought in, but it didn't have that vibe ||

[summer pasture]

Andor 15 minutes into 2x10 ||it's funny because I called about 50% of what just happened and the REASON mine is different is because I was trying to avoid what's happening in the episode||

[vestal quiver]

|| I think it was very clearly imp and they were heard killing civilians||

[echo echo]

210 ||I mean they seemed to have been exterminating civilians, I don't know that I believe that it was a rebel group||

[summer pasture]

I am very smart

for reference (Again, roughly 15-20 minutes into 2x10) ||I'd expected for several episodes that Luthen would be made and immediately blow the entire building and himself||

[weary pine]

210 ||sure, but I was talking about my first impressions, before the radio chatter cleared it up. I'm still not convinced about the Imperial part. ||

||oh, I got to the Imperial uniforms||

[echo echo]

210 ||We stan a rebel queen||

[vestal quiver]

2x11 almost end || JUST GO WITH THEM KLEYA PLEASE ||

2x11 all || HOW YOU GONNA END THE EPISODE LIKE THAT TONY||

[summer pasture]

210 midway, no plot specifics ||I am beginning to hope angry things||

[echo echo]

Hope newly, perhaps?

[summer pasture]

Are you being VERY clever rn

(While reading me like a book)

[echo echo]

211 ||I love how the Imperial backbiting is throwing a wrench in things||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 rogue one all || I K2 so much this is cathartic. Basically doing what Vader did in the ship hallway too||

[echo echo]

211 ||Ben Mendelsohn absolutely slays||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 || would’ve loved a whole season of the inter rebel faction fighting ||

[echo echo]

211 ||I love that Dedra thinks she's still in the game until Krennec says "we'll do our best to carry on without you"||

[weary pine]

andor 211 ||I love the parallels between this interrogation and Dedra's interrogation of Cyril ||

[echo echo]

211 ||Somehow Kleya still manages to be fashionable while Shawshank Redemptioning through the wall ||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 || handheld shot going into council room ||

[dull dust]

Omg it’s so good

[vestal quiver]

|| you can put Kleya through hell but she will always be cool AF||

[summer pasture]

Andor 2x10 ||it'll never fail to make me laugh how patently USELESS imperial armor is||

[echo echo]

||I mean it works on Ewok arrows!||

[dull dust]

2x 12 ||welp we got our first Rommel ||

[summer pasture]

||it may literally be the only thing AND THEY STILL LOST||

[weary pine]

I think 90% of armor in fiction is similarly useless

[sinful saddle]

Andor S2E12 Ending ||HAHAHAHA YES DEDRA WINDS UP IN THE PRISON ANDOR WAS IN!||

[echo echo]

211 ||Alan Tudyk continues to slay as K2||

[vestal quiver]

Andor 2x12 || oh so now you’re worried about counterintelligence ||

[summer pasture]

Andor 2x10 (finished) ||Dedra is very good at making my teeth itch.||

||even just her face. She always looks like she wants to gloat but has something foul under her nose in the process||

[weary pine]

andor 211 ||their poker game was too cozy for this arc ||

andor 211 ||every scene in the ISB round room is a certified banger, heavers above||

[echo echo]

||Broke: senate room politics
Bespoke: ISB round room politics||

211 ||This Imperial radio tech lady ||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 near end || rip party g||

2x12 near end || ah man the scene with Kleya saying she doesn’t know where she is. The toll this stuff has taken on her ||

2x12 near end || lol is Mon’s husband sleeping with their daughter’s MIL||

[echo echo]

211 ||I love the very specific way Kleya is rudderless here with Cassian||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 ending || that’s right cry more from your prison cell Dedra! Hope it was worth it ||

[weary pine]

andor 211 ||alan tudyk is a treasure||

[vestal quiver]

2x12 all || kinda wish they weren’t so tied to rogue one… and as I’m writing this uh… the show is legit ending and uh… idk if I like that choice I just saw ||

[weary pine]

211 ||has no one drilled them the doors and corners routine,that's just bad||

||YES ALAN YEET THESE FOOLS||

if this season wasn't releasing episodes 3 at a time, I would've screamed right now

[vestal quiver]

2x12 all || okay so the show kinda ended with a weird anticlimax for me because they tied it to the movie so heavily. But also like….. uh that final shot felt… like makes sense… but I just idk felt out of place||

[sinful saddle]

2x12 Ending ||I’m kinda wondering what happens to Dedra. Like, unless she dies in there within the next few years (I forget how long it is from now until the end of Return of the Jedi), she presumably eventually gets released and then… what?||

[weary pine]

I'm so rewatching Rogue One this evening

[vestal quiver]

|| I was wondering too but she probs still stays in jail for what she did. Like they’ll have access to the records etc and like mon knows who she is. Assuming she doesn’t slip away or get murdered/worked to death/ends it herself before RoTJ||

2x12 all || but also hahahahahhahahahahhahaha cry more ||

[weary pine]

212 ||the way he just ran back lmao||

212 ||shoot your boss some more and despair, you fascist prick, for ALAN is coming for you||

[sinful saddle]

||I mean even if they do have all the data on who she is, she was likely charged with some variant of “leaking classified intel to rebels”, so she might be able to successfully spin that.||

[weary pine]

212 ||that they made her go back to the old haircut is a tragedy ||

[vestal quiver]

|| I don’t think that will compensate for orchestrating the massacre and destruction of a planet. Like even if the rebs let her go, she would be killed the second people found out she was an imp||

[sinful saddle]

||I mean I guess if they have her full file, but very few people even knew she was involved with Ghorman.||
||My best guess is that all they would have is “ISB supervisor who leaked classified intel to the rebels.”||

[vapid fossil]

||the death star destroyed at least one planet before its laser was even installed||

[vestal quiver]

|| it was secret when it was happening but cass absolutely would’ve done a debrief after the massacre and showing up with K2||

[vapid fossil]

Andor 2x11 ||You havent been talkin to the rebels have you mate?||

[echo echo]

212 ||I think the most brilliant part of this is it gives good cause to how Mothma presents the two Death Star runs. The second one she mourns the Bothan spies. Of course she did, they were hers. First time around it is a dry presentation. And of course it is, because Luthen was less than hers, he was kind of a... defeated rival||

[vapid fossil]

||helps build the laser array for the second death star i guess||

[vestal quiver]

||I think she probs steps onto the electric floor ||

[echo echo]

210 ||That's true, but it is sort of... clinical. The reactions are minimal and brushed aside by later action. I don't think I've seen anyone onscreen in Star Wars respond to the existence of the Death Star with the revulsion that people do in these few episodes||

[vapid fossil]

||oh yeah I agree there, especially when Andor has shown that the empire still has trouble dealing eith guerillas on a given planet, the ability to flat out destroy one would logically horrify them and it's good to see that ||

[echo echo]

What a 10/10 show

It sort of feels like a 9 part movie series (each 3 episodes is a movie, with Rogue One at the end) where ANH is the punch line, not the beginning

I think this was the hardest part of the series to stick the landing on and by god they did it

[vapid fossil]

Andor all ||yesterday I watched Rogue One and it was crazy how well E12 led into it, down to the rebel councilor actors (other than for Bail)||

[vestal quiver]

|| I’m a little iffier on them sticking it but honestly it doesn’t matter because everything else this season was nailed ||

[vapid fossil]

||I think Season 2 really requires Rogue One to be complete||

[vestal quiver]

Andor all || I think them being so bound to rogue one handcuffed the ending of the show as a show in and of itself but like 🤷‍♂️ idc that much because it’s like not much they could do ||

[echo echo]

Wasn't that always going to be the case?

I don't see a world where this ended differently

[cedar osprey]

Rogue and New Hope ||Its so funny how the ending of Rogue One recontextualizes the beginning of a New Hope

Leia: “I don’t know what you’re talking about we don’t have any stolen Death Star plans, we’re on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!”

Vader: “I LITERALLY saw your car peel out of the parking lot!”||

[echo echo]

And I don't think it is bad either

[vestal quiver]

|| bruh there are gonna be people who will watch Andor and then see rogue one for the first time and lol ||

[vapid fossil]

I didn't mean it as a criticism

[echo echo]

You didn't but I think JMT thinks it is

[vestal quiver]

I think it’s bad in terms of like how it is as a show

But like not enough for me to ding it that much

[echo echo]

I don't think I've ever been judging Andor separately from R1 tbh

[vapid fossil]

||yeah, I think that would be a fine order to see things. Rogue One is mainly a Jyn story but Andor is a very major character there and has his own arc which meshes well with the series||

[vestal quiver]

|| and Andor is so much more about rebellion and revolution and how fascism/authoritarian regimes exert power and control||

[wispy lichen]

Everything I’m hearing about S2 makes me confident I’ll love it when I finish my rewatch (which I am enjoying a lot more now that it’s been a few years detached from my preconceptions)

[vestal quiver]

Oh it’s fantastic

[wispy lichen]

And it’s funny that I’m hearing a lot of the things I was mentioning back then be brought up now as being in S2 like you mentioned Kon

[vapid fossil]

||in fact, I think each 3 episode batch in season 2 was "someone else is the main character but Andor is important"||

[vestal quiver]

Mhm

[weary pine]

the ending didn't hit as hard as I expected, but still
what a show

[topaz cliff]

Rogue one and Andor ||huh, in the Saw's jail Chirrut says he's been in worse prisons than this, and Cassian says it's a first for him||

[vestal quiver]

|| like Andor is down in the muck and rogue one is still like an action movie. I love both but idk they just feel different to me. Part of that is the nature of television you have more time and more details to shape the world and the characters.||

[echo echo]

||Yeah I think each trio of episodes is functionally a Rogue One movie but which knows the other movies are going to get made||

[vapid fossil]

||yeah that was the one line which doesnt work as a sequel to Andor. You have to chalk it up to him being years removed from the prison break I guess||

[vestal quiver]

|| tbh cass was like the… 7th most interesting character to me this season. He just kinda there for a lot of it lol||

[vapid fossil]

||while this is true, Rogue One from Andors perspective is that of someone who has lost the revolutionary spark and is more invested in the actions of rebellion than the ideology (arguably very Luthen like)||

[echo echo]

209, but also general

Everything about this show was a miracle

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||oh this feels like luthen and kleya are never going to see each other||

[echo echo]

Grey you are in for it

[bitter trail]

😭

[vestal quiver]

|| I meant like the movie is just much more superficial than the show. Which it has to be due to the limitations of Star Wars blockbuster movie ||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||god how am i not surprised at that. poor lonni. what a hero||

[echo echo]

Andor/R1 ||I mean, I think I see the movie as the climax of the show. Climactic rather than superficial||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||oh my god this moment is what i've been waiting for||

2.10 ||burning the shop!!!!!||

[echo echo]

Don't even need to ask

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||DEDRA MEERO OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO||

2.10 ||"at the moment only two pieces of questionable provenance" oh luthen you are PLAYINNNNNNNNNNN||

||"we still don't know! the tension mounts!" tony gilroy shut up shut up shut up you are KILLING MEEEEEEEEEE||

[vestal quiver]

|| I didn’t say the movie itself was superficial to the story. It just didn’t explore the depths that the show does. Because that isn’t what the movie was designed to do. Like I watched it last week after the episodes came out and it’s much more characters choosing to fight and die for something than a detailed exploration of revolution and authoritarianism||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||what a confrontation....... did he manage to burn everything 😭||

||HECKING KNEW IT ABOUT HIM AND KLEYA. "tuck in your shirt" is honestly just such a CLASSIC goodbye line||

[echo echo]

||I don't really mean that, I mean more that R1/ANH are what happens when the time for subtlety has passed. By the time R1 is happening I don't think this kind of exploration even makes sense anymore||

||Conversely, Andor is made better by the context of what comes next. The pressure building is all the more tense because you know that it bursts||

||I don't think a story like this even works if the flag of the Empire never fully unfurls||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||ohhhhhhhhh my goddddddddddddd is that luthen BACKSTORY!!!!!!!!? :O||

2.10 ||godddddddd it's a DUALLLL FLASHBACKKKKK 😭 oh god i have NEVER seen kleya upset like that 😭😭😭😭 help me help meeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeelp||

2.10 ||am i watching kleya do for luthen what luthen did to lonni 😍😍😍😍😍😍 ||

2.10 ||across time and space, scrubs are the same.......||

2.10 ||oh they're ARRESTING DEDRA??? i wonder if they think she's the mole/lonni||

2.10 ||oh this girl they got for young kleya is KILLING IT oh my god?||

||that bartering scene||

[vestal quiver]

|| rogue one and Andor for me just feel so different. Like the show and the movie may have the same characters but everything is so different because television and movies are different media. So like when I say the show felt handcuffed by the movie at the end, it’s because what the show was at its core was vastly different from rogue one. And so as a show the ending was a bit of a miss for me. I think trying to literally tie it to the very start of the movie made the show weaker at the end because the show got subsumed by setting the movie for like its last 10 minutes. And I know the show is about Andor and called Andor but at the same time the show was about so much more than cass||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||how does this girl has adult kleya's INFLECTION and everything????||

||the way she said "i'm not." that's kleya to the LIFE||

[vestal quiver]

Andor all || and like I still love 99% of the show it’s just like eh for me at the end ||

[echo echo]

R1/Andor/ANH ||I think R1 has to be different and that it is a good and necessary part of the Andor story, is what I'm saying||

||As it is, tonal difference and all, it has to be there. Andor is not a standalone story and cannot be. Should not be||

[vestal quiver]

|| I mean it has to be different because it was already made ||

[echo echo]

Regardless of that

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||oh dip are they on naboo? i love watching them as they build their fortune and new backstory||

[echo echo]

Andor/R1 etc etc etc ||Any putative ending to Andor I think would require the high paced bombast of what comes next as its climax. Otherwise Andor is cheap bloviating||

||The shoe has to drop||

[bitter trail]

2.10 ||i was like.... really worried that knowing more about who luthen and kleya are and where they came from would be a letdown or bad choice but ohhhhhhhh my godddddddddd this is delicious, this is so good||

2.10 ||oh the forehead kiss........ oh i'm hurt. oh i'm so hurt. i'm HUUUUUUUUUUUURT||

[unkempt sail]

As I said earlier we're rolling straight into R1 after the final Andor episodes and it really does plug in SO well (though tonally, the movie soundtrack is a shift)

Andor S2 all ||I'm honestly surprised Wil and Kleya survived; I thought Wilmon would've gotten a reckless death and when Kleya wandered away from the infirmary I thought she might get an ignominious death by Yavin critter||

[echo echo]

Andor s2 ||The real twist of Andor is how many people survived it||

[vestal quiver]

|| they undercut the end of the show because they’re tied to continuity. Just like they undercut the end of 2x9 because they were tied to continuity. As a show it is made worse by being tied to continuity. It is the reality of being tied to the Star Wars canon the way it is. And that’s fine! It’s the nature of working within the Star Wars universe. If that’s what it took to make this show then I’m fine with that trade off. But like the show could’ve ended with a gap before rogue one. They could’ve ended on the rescue attempt. The five minutes of slow mo walking to the ship was a miss for me. I already knew where is story was going. I didn’t need to see it again. ||

|| which is why I said it felt anticlimactic ||

[unkempt sail]

Re: ending of 2.12 ||I think it's nice B2 wasn't left alone in the end; I was also worried about that. Less of a fan of surviving baby buuuut again, Bix and B2 aren't alone (and they could potentially reunite with Wilmon and whatsherface Ghorman lady)||

[echo echo]

||I'm saying the continuity is a good and necessary part of this story. You cannot build Chekhov's Rebellion and Chekhov's Star Destroyer and then not have them not be used||

||It was anticlimactic because it was not the climax. Rogue One is the climax. A New Hope is the climax||

||Which, good!||

[vestal quiver]

I do love the rogue one soundtrack. I love John Williams but the twists Giacchino puts on classic Star Wars music is also great!

[unkempt sail]

||do you feel similarly of Rogue One being tied to ANH?||

[vestal quiver]

|| which necessarily undercuts the show!||

[echo echo]

You're drawing a line between Rogue One and Andor that I do not recognize

Rogue One is episodes 13 14 and 15 of Andor s2 as far as I am concerned

[vestal quiver]

And you’re saying there is no line which I don’t recognize

[echo echo]

No slavishness to continuity, this is the same ongoing story

There is no line

This is always what it was and always what it was pitched as, even before R1 came out

[bitter trail]

2.11 ||this camera tech guy is funny||

[unkempt sail]

Yeah, musically it definitely links it to the first movies! It's just jarring to have the symphonic blasts after Andor's more tense/subtle tracks or diegetic pieces

On that note 2.12 ||loved that Nemik's manifesto was diegetic in the ISB chamber||

[vestal quiver]

I mean great that’s what you think but I feel differently and it’s subjective!

So please we don’t have to treat it like there’s one right way to feel

For me continuity means nothing between media. I’m watching a show and movie and they’re discrete things especially when one came out a decade before the other

That doesn’t have to be the same way you or anybody else views it

[bitter trail]

2.11 ||oh i'm feeling the death knell on the isb rn||

2.11 ||i feel like partagaz is the only one who might come out of this with a position but like. not feeling it||

2.11 ||OHHHHHHHHHHH the shot of YAVINNNNN the moon ahhhhhhhhh||

[unkempt sail]

Rogue One ||chirrut is great; he'd be an interesting backstory to learn||

(I have seen it before but it's been a while)

[echo echo]

The space shots in Andor are very rare but also always very good

[bitter trail]

starting 2.12!!!! ahhh!!!!!!

[unkempt sail]

R1, Andor all ||I remember thinking at the time this was a waste of Forest Whitaker. Treating this like eps 13-15 of Andor S2 feels more like an arc for Saw||

Unsurprisingly the CG Tarkin has not aged well

[bitter trail]

2.12 ||oh it is too late to destroy that radio||

2.12 ||babesssssssssssss ...... k2so where are you.......||

2.12 ||oh hell yeah baby. k2so is still AS GOOD as he ever was in rogue one. goddamn. this is SO GOOD. he's so good. ||

2.12 ||there's saw... and there's mon....... it's happening.... it happened......||

[topaz cliff]

Andor all and rogue one ||finished rogue one. I can't help but see the film as the actual finale of the show, like Kon-tiki is saying. With that though, I do think it's definitely the weakest "arc" when compared against all of Andor, which is unfortunate. And that's through no fault of either of them, Andor is simply too good and R1 is simply as good as it could be with what they had. Bit of a shame though||

||I also wonder what the experience would be of not knowing what happens in R1 and watching it as the finale, because that fundamentally altered how I perceived the last arc of the show||

[bitter trail]

2.12 ||oh this is way worse than the senate lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo||

||GET JYN ERSO WHERE IS SHE||

2.12 ||i need to watch rogue one IMMEDIATELY after this ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh||

😩 halp

[cedar osprey]

Well with the emotional devastation of the Andor finale at least we can be happy again with the Superman trailer tomorrow

[bitter trail]

2.12 ||lmaoooo i'm reminded of austin walker's "have you read Nemik?"||

||nemik's words still powerful............. why is partagaz so affected.... maybe this is just the moment that it's over||

2.12 ||lmao wtf partagaz went out on his own terms. did NOT want to face up to losing kleya. not going down for THAT he said!||

[unkempt sail]

I forgot Ishy (wheel of time) is in Rogue One lol

[bitter trail]

IS HE

[unkempt sail]

He's one of the rebellion senators

[bitter trail]

!!

[unkempt sail]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vasp_Vaspar

A fun little name because the actor is Fares Fares

[bitter trail]

that's a lalafell ass name

(ff14)

[weary pine]

andor s2e12||To me it felt like the moment he realised that the imperial regime is unsustainable an it will inevitably go down in flames||

[vestal quiver]

||I mean if I lost kleya from my life I’d be sad too||

[bitter trail]

||he was so affected! he never looked or felt more his age||

[cedar osprey]

Jinky Minus ahhh name

[echo echo]

||Yeah, he believed it maybe for the first time, but for him that was cause for despair and not celebration||

[vestal quiver]

||also he knew he was toast||

[bitter trail]

2.12 ||you gonna stop being a butt about this bail 😭||

2.12 ||i'm going TO CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY it's almost rogue one time i'm almost in tears||

2.12 ||omgggggggg they gave us a shot of perrin??????? wtf! i'm ECSTATIC||

2.12 ||dedra in prison........ man the final shots of everyone.... what....... this is so good||

[weary pine]

andor all and sw general ||makes me wonder how the war would go if Thrawn got to work with people as effective and dogged as Dedra and Partigaz||

[bitter trail]

2.12 ||HORRIBLE ENDING for dedra. OH THE FORCE HEALER GOR A PREMONITION. she knowsssssssss cass isn't coming back||

andor all ||oh my god. i'mc rying in real life. oh my god. goddd oh my godddddddddd||

[echo echo]

||I was genuinely floored by how perfect Dedra's ending was||

[bitter trail]

||i'm almost going to hyperventilate||

tears in my eyes

i love star wars

trying not to sob

crying is fine

it's too late to let it go hard

ah

oh my god

2.12 ||BEEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||

||living his little droid retirement life.......... sanctuary for old dogs||

||i'm shocked she went back there||

ROGUE ONE TIME

[vestal quiver]

|| ~~we sure Dedra was effective? ~~||

[echo echo]

Andor ||I mean yeah. She did eventually get Luthen, and the only reason it went wrong was because she reasonably couldn't trust other members of the ISB to back her up properly (mixed admittedly with an enormous dose of ambition and pride)||

||If she doesn't get arrested even there's good odds Kleya doesn't get to Luthen and finish him off||

[vestal quiver]

|| Luthen wouldn’t be in a hospital if she hadn’t wanted to gloat. She could’ve stormed in there and arrested him instead of plopping the star chart thing down|| andor all

||she got her boyfriend killed too. Didn’t arrest cass either in s1||

[weary pine]

andor all ||he got himself killed tbh||

[echo echo]

||I'll give like 90% credit at least to Syril having gotten himself killed||

[vestal quiver]

|| failed to effectively handle the operative she was running ||

[echo echo]

||To some extent that was out of her hands. Syril being blindsided is a good chunk of why he ended up getting himself killed, and keeping him in the dark was not her decision||

||And it didn't matter anyway because his role was rendered redundant by the greater operation||

[weary pine]

andor all ||even if I were to accept that she was fully responsible for getting Cyril killed, she still got the job done. The op succeded and the empire got itself a planet to strip mine ||

[vestal quiver]

|| great that’s why she was upset that he died! Had a break down in the scif because it went to plan and was a success ||

[echo echo]

||To JMT's point, the op succeeded but she only gets partial credit for that, a lot of that was the Empire deciding they didn't need to play softball in the media anymore||

[weary pine]

||She's overly prideful and ambitious, but I don't see why her professional skill are in question. ||

[vestal quiver]

|| I mean why was Luthen in the hospital in the first place? Because she wanted to gloat, she wanted to be the one to grab him!||

|| seems like her behavior was pretty questionable||

[weary pine]

||The op wasn't just a massacre, though. It was the entire series of false flag operations and infiltration she planned and executed ||

[bitter trail]

rogue one ||LOOK IT'S MY BEST FRIEND CASSIAN! LOOK IT'S MY BEST FRIEND BODHI! ||

[echo echo]

Andor ||In part. But also in part she grabbed him alone because she couldn't trust the people around her, as was played out by her subsequent arrest. She isn't responsible for ISB gamesmanship and had to that point been extremely successful at playing that game||

[vestal quiver]

|| she had a bunch of agents outside! She could’ve had them all come in with her but she wanted to gloat!||

|| she could’ve stunned Luthen the second he opened the door! She’s in the ISB she can literally disappear people!||

[echo echo]

||I agree, she messed up, but she is not shown to regularly mess up this way. It is shown and further implied that she is enormously successful at ISB to this point||

[weary pine]

||And one has to wonder how much Cyril's death influenced that behavior||

[vestal quiver]

|| she messed up in way that literally caused the downfall of the empire!||

[bitter trail]

rogue one + andor ||oh i am not used to movies, everything is happening so FAST, the pacing is so FAST, i'm used to the andor pace||

please remake rogue one so that it's 4 hours long thaaaaaaaanks

[echo echo]

||I mean there were a chain of Imperial failures across the board, all the way up to Vader and Palpatine themselves, that caused the fall of the Empire. Hers was one of many, and I don't think a single failure means that she was overall incompetent||

[bitter trail]

rogue one + andor all ||i.... am actually really surprised by how good this feels. the final trio of andor episodes really really landed the yavin vibes||

[vestal quiver]

|| that’s what she’s telling herself from her prison cell||

[echo echo]

||If she is, she's right!||

[bitter trail]

andor + rogue one ||just like....... the work that they did to make it look and feel the same 😭 wow..... that's yavin....... also it's SOOOO WEIRDDDDD hearing brassy star wars music again wtf what is this...... brass........||

||what is this bombast||

rogue one ||ben mendohlson sounds SO much more... effete? in this than andor ahahaha||

[echo echo]

||The Rebellion! It is here! It is real! It is happening!||

[bitter trail]

andor + rogue one ||i can see that there wasn't really like... a place for them to put bombast in andor, even though it was theoretically becoming the time, but that might have been one thing i would looked for in the andor score in those final three. they should have gotten nicholas britell back or something maybe||

idk maybe that wouldn't have changed anything

andor all ||all i know is that britell did episodes 4 to 6 where i noticed call forwards to the OT that had me going 🤩 and then they stopped||

[echo echo]

Post-Williams development of the Star Wars music landscape is going to be fascinating

[bitter trail]

felt.....

[vestal quiver]

|| if a doctor kills a patient for the first time because they did something incompetent, you don’t go “oh its fine that you were competent all these times before” it’s still incompetence ||

[vestal quiver]

Rogue One wasn’t by him

It’s already here and it is cool

[bitter trail]

i mentioned the OT in my post, not rogue one there, sorry

[echo echo]

No and neither were plenty of video games with interesting musical decisions

[vestal quiver]

And mando

[echo echo]

I know its here, but I wouldn't call it a fully developed thing

[bitter trail]

rogue one ||the funny thing about the scene where k2so drops the bag jyn gives him is that you have to imagine the unfilmed scene right after where jyn has to go run back and get it||

rogue one is very in the style of williams

very much

rogue one ||LOOK IT'S MY BEST FRIEND CHIRRUT! LOOK IT'S MY BEST FRIEND BAZE!||

[polar mural]

Same!

2.10 ||Damm. Wow that was a lot but an amazing episode||

[unkempt sail]

Yeah, Ludwig Goransson is definitely one of the current master composers imo

[polar mural]

His Tenet soundtrack is amazong

[vestal quiver]

The drop off in mando music from season 2 to 3

[polar mural]

Also I'm excited to rewatch Rouge One after finishing Andor

[vestal quiver]

They never put the horns in the right place in season 3 without Ludwig

[polar mural]

+amazing soundtrack

[unkempt sail]

And rogue one done. Husband is too sleepy to go right into ANH haha

[bitter trail]

rogue one + andor ||knowing how much a kx unit can take, the fact that jyn's gun took one down in a shot is like. damn........ what's her gun made of, what's it shooting||

DONNIE YEN THE MAN YOU ARE

[polar mural]

||Plotarmor piecing bullet 💀 ||

[bitter trail]

rogue one ||still extremely happy with whoever decided star wars needed a blind kung fu master||

[bitter trail]

||now i believe baze's gun could do it||

[polar mural]

Sequal Trilogy is an au

[bitter trail]

rogue one + OT ||there's an interesting choice here to aesthetically make saw's place a little like jabba's palace. not wholly, not obviously, but there's something there||

andor all ||god there's a part of me that can't stop thinking about perrin. this guy............||

[polar mural]

Andor +OT ||Do you think the ghost of Saw Gerrera was huffing all the Rhydonium when the death star exploded||

[bitter trail]

andor + rogue one ||it's so interesting watching cassian in rogue one now that i'm really familiar with him... now that i really know who he is. he was a bit of an antagonistic and mysterious figure in rogue one, when that was all that was out, seen very much from jyn's point of view. and now that i see it again here i'm like, oh i really see him. this is still him. this is the same guy. i know what makes him snap, what makes him annoyed, what makes him tick... i know what's going through his head during these scenes. it's SO good. and i'm a bit staggered when i think back to my first impressions of cassian so many years ago. i feel so differently now||

rogue one + andor ||like i really feel how hard and WILD of a choice to believe in the force is, how freaking bizarre and out there and wrong for cassian to fight against his instincts and trust. oh this is good stuff.||

andor 2.12 ||and i can't believe how good mon looked in that outfit. rebel chic. still serving||

[polar mural]

Andor 2.12 ||"I plan to tell them I was kidnapped" I love K2||

[polar mural]

Andor 2.12 |||This show was amazing, I like how we saw Dedra in prison, facisicm is inherently cannibalistic to its self. ||Mkre so than that I'll say when I dont have a concussion lol

[patent schooner]

||him with sculdens wife is some spicy drama....||

[weary pine]

Currently rewatching Rogue One. I finally remember why I loved this universe as much as I did

[vapid fossil]

This has some interesting tidbits about production
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uvkpcedAtXs

[wispy lichen]

I am interested in the way it develops. I definitely think Rogue One has the best non-Williams music.

[wispy lichen]

Star Wars is so cool ☺️

[echo echo]

Elizabeth Dulau was apparently an 11th hour recast of a recast

Two other people backed out of the Kleya role and they were basically looking for a warm body to fill in. Dulau had no acting credits at the time

Ended up being an absolute home run of course

A standout performance among standout performances

[bright blade]

...I have some catching up on Andor to do, it seems.

You know, there are five episodes of the series I'd consider peak quality absolute cinema: Season 1 episodes 6, 10, and 12, and Season 2 episodes 8 and 9. And I would not be surprised if one, two, or all three of the last few episodes join that list once I get around to seeing them.

[gray tinsel]

Andor is too good

I finished it a minute ago and im already missing it

[gray tinsel]

2.12 ||i thought they were gonna put her on the Death Star and her last shot would be on there but this is honestly more fitting||

ANH ||kinda funny that all of Andor and Rogue 1 build up to a farmboy taking a 1 in a Million shot||

[summer pasture]

Anh ||especially because iirc it's a one in a million shot on a keel mounted launcher??||

[summer pasture]

Andor 2x12 (15 minute mark) ||Two notes: First, Bail disbelieving the Death Star is funny in a very morbid way. Second, is it just me or has Pamlo spent her every appearance basically being a naysayer towards the nearest protagonist at all times?||

[patent schooner]

||you need a naysayer in ever council. Its not a fun job but can be helpful||

[summer pasture]

It's more the fact (same tag plus rogue one) ||It's all she's ever done. Merrick and Draven for example have been naysayers but also have their own personal merits or get proven "less than wrong" in some way. Pamlo just shows up, says the protagonists are full of it, then vanishes||

[patent schooner]

||i mean we see like three meetings...||

[summer pasture]

||I'm not calling it a failing of the script or anything, just a fun quirk of coincidence||

[gray tinsel]

Andor+R1||https://x.com/Sharkonscarif/status/1922508338568319210?t=xZm3_Pa9Pm4ayChp5dw_HQ&s=19{||

[summer pasture]

Ok, finished

[gray tinsel]

I think im gonna rewatch Rogue 1 too

[dull dust]

I have 1 complaint with Andor as a whole and that’s I think it doesn’t deliver on the line from rogue one ||I am cassian Andor from rebel intelligence||

[summer pasture]

Andor ALL ||I can SMELL them bringing Dedra back as a post civil war defector at some point and I am mad at that future that will probably not happen||

[gray tinsel]

Barely remember how||Jyn Erso acts besides "i wanna save my dad"||

[vapid fossil]

Andor all ||he was working for rebel intelligence for at least a year ||

[summer pasture]

Well, ||he took K with him, who accounts for half the rebels' intelligence /s||

[dull dust]

||He doesn’t do any intellegence work for the core rebellion that we see || Andor all

[summer pasture]

Also yeah (Andor all) ||Isn't Draven specifically an Alliance Intelligence general||

[gray tinsel]

Andor/Post-rotj|| sure wish we could get more stuff exploring the time between OG and sequels but i think people are afraid of getting near the sequels||

[summer pasture]

I mean, it's what I complained about the other day, init?

[vapid fossil]

||hes been working for the rebellion on yavin since he returned to it in Ep 9||

[gray tinsel]

Tbf i joined this thread today

[summer pasture]

Same tags ||The sequels had a (IMO lazy, but easy to say from home) writing choice in forcing the old "small ragtag group vs overwhelming odds" dynamic again. And that required forcing the worldbuilding to go "Pretty much everyone became a bit of an idiot as soon as DSII blew up". And that's just not interesting/fun to watch||

[gray tinsel]

R1||lmao that look Mon gives when talking about Saw is really funny with new context now||

[bitter trail]

andor all ||i can't stop thinking about the isb. how assured and powerful and smart they came off for a season and a half||

||and then... that||

[echo echo]

Andor ||Brittle!||

[unkempt sail]

andor all ||right? Like all of partagaz's top people were killed or imprisioned, that we couuld tell anyway||

[dull dust]

||They don’t appear to be doing anything intellegence related they are doing almost exclusively flight exorcises.|| andor all

[echo echo]

Andor ||This is why I have a hard time discrediting Dedra specifically. The failure here was a failure of the ISB writ large. They had to get so much wrong kind of all at once for this to fall apart the way that it did||

[dull dust]

Andor ||they were always set up to fail. They were tasked with finding irregularities in shipping and requisitions but were supposed to ignore the massive pushed through project that seeped into all thier work without leaking the information. It was never going to happen especially when failure to do their first job would mean their head. ||

[summer pasture]

See it reminds me of (andor all) ||the bit of the manifesto Partagaz was listening to. Tyranny on that scale required superhuman effort and it'd still never be enough||

[vestal quiver]

|| I think a large part of andor was pointing out exactly how human the authoritarianism was. That was the point of syril and Dedra and all the others. The empire was not this super human entity. It was people making choices to be space Nazis and do space Nazi things. Why did ghorman happen? Because they wanted a resource and had a bunch of meetings to design and execute a plan to commit atrocities.
Hell why was the Death Star even able to be destroyed like that? Because they tried to force a dude to make it against his will after killing his wife and making him abandon his kid. It’s not. Two evil space wizards (I know there are inquisitors) aren’t enough to exercise power across a galaxy. It takes a mountain of humanity to commit such evil. || rogue one andor all

[echo echo]

||Are you saying shardbearers Jedi don't hold ground?||

[vestal quiver]

yeah I guess I am 😂

[gray tinsel]

R1||i love K2||

[bitter trail]

andor screenshot but it's a meme about andor

it's SUCH a good screenshot

https://bsky.app/profile/dmondom.bsky.social/post/3lp55kg5xks2s andor + rogue one + ANH

oh no why is bluesky down the moment i share a thing

ok it was just momentary

https://bsky.app/profile/gavia.bsky.social/post/3lorbd3xejs2d interview with the actor for syril karn with S2 spoilers

very interesting

[echo echo]

I would not categorize this as spoiler free

Very good though

Andor ||Sometimes you get an actor like this that doesn't understand that the character they are portraying is kind of pathetic and Kyle Soller seems to 100% get that Syril is a loser||

Syril Karn is weirdly close to an anagram of Kyle Soller

[gray tinsel]

Rogue 1 really does feel like an extra 3 episodes of Andor

Though the first 20 minutes couldve been an entire 40-50 minute Episode

[echo echo]

Andor ||I'm also glad to see that he doesn't seem to frame Syril as a victim. That's a popular narrative now but Syril is not a victim. He is just evil but weak at being evil, and a loser||

||He's bad at being bad, and comic relief, but that does not make him a victim. I don't think he gets that get out of jail free card just because he was crushing on a Ghor girl and let himself go a little native||

[gray tinsel]

Andor||i liked the way Syril went out. I do not like how people think he would've joined the Rebellion.||

[echo echo]

Andor ||He literally went out trying to kill Cassian because he got punked||

[summer pasture]

Typical star wars naming

[bitter trail]

andor all ||oh i just LOVE when the actors put in the work||

[summer pasture]

Andor all ||I think Syril is the epitome of a cog in the machine. From his first appearance he seems to be very "I know I'm Very Important, the generic promotional poster told me!" and in general he just does his job and thinks little of it. His "orderly us vs them" gets challenged when a cute ghorman girl and the Empire being shady collide, but even then I feel he'd be no different than the kind of guy that looks at an atrocity like that and goes "well that sucks for the Decent People(tm) there, but must've done something to provoke this"||

[summer pasture]

Well that was my point better and more succintly worded

[bitter trail]

andor ||i can't believe this show had me taking star wars names seriously. like "davo sculdun". star warsiest name||

[echo echo]

Andor ||I mean, Bix||

[bitter trail]

you're right

[summer pasture]

Andor all + ANH ||I think my best example is that Syril would've seen Alderaan and go "Oh, horrible dealing, very distasteful, but I suppose the rebels had to be dealt with in some way"||

[bitter trail]

andor all ||like i think .... wow what a paragraph, chef kiss. but i think syril is so interesting and works so well because of the "almost"s. you can almost see him getting it, you can almost see him see the corner. he chooses not to turn the corner, but it's how he dies when he's right in sight of it that just....... man||

[polar mural]

Chat, I am sad. There is no new/coming starwars content that excites me now that Andor is finished

[summer pasture]

I'm lucky that all my misgivings about the newly-announced movie, of which there's many, are mostly overshadowed by the fact that title makes it clear it'll tickle my star wars brain worms

[bitter trail]

andor all ||plus the comment about the empire does not reward the soul nourishing things like family and connection, which is what syril needed and couldn't really get but deeply wanted. like a real thing of... in another life, had different people come into his life. but the chances of that were so low, him hooking himself up into the engine of empire!||

[wispy lichen]

I’m lucky in that I’m very easy to please and will probably enjoy whatever releases

Also I am excited for ANY animated content and Ahsoka S2 in particular

The animated content is always a W for me

[summer pasture]

Andor all ||I think another key issue with Syril is that he's kind of allergic to consider he may be in the wrong. Not "made a mistake in a split second choice", not "things got out of his control", but outright wrong||

[gray tinsel]

I doubt ill ever watch anything Star wars after this

Though i might watch the og and prequel trilogy with my remaining D+ days

[vapid fossil]

[Andor All + other D+ star wars shows] I have to share a correct theory when I see one

||young Andor be like: Grogu, I need you to distract Kang||

[bitter trail]

boooo hisssssss

[echo echo]

Andor ||People (idiots) were trying to push the idea that Poe is Cassian's son||

||We also have no idea if that child even is a son||

[patent schooner]

||what???? We have known Poes parents for ages. And A-Wing Pilot named Shara Bey and a Rebel Pathfinder named Kes Dameron||

[echo echo]

I know

Hence the (idiots) designation

[vapid fossil]

||Kes Dameron... Kes Eron... Ces Eron... Ces Ion... Cassian||

[echo echo]

Two Hispanic men in Star Wars must obviously be related

[vapid fossil]

coming soon from the fandom that brought you "Finn is Lando's son"

[patent schooner]

||he is still around after Endor. We see him in comics and novels. (Me knowing you are joking will not hinder me from being a smartass )||

[gray tinsel]

https://x.com/QuiGonJenna/status/1922629407232921717?t=dG2i7QAy9dfEJK_RYdwuEg&s=19

QG Jenna 🖤 (@QuiGonJenna) on X

Please

X · May 14, 2025, 12:25 PM

[echo echo]

He says he's done

Which like

Don't blame him

He's made some of the best Star Wars and it has gone virtually unwatched by Star Wars standards

And this is his magnum opus too, I don't know where you go from this

[patent schooner]

I really want to reread Alphabet squadron now but i loaned the books to my little brother 😢

[wintry lark]

Who's that

[summer pasture]

||Din Cassian Jr||

[echo echo]

Makes even less sense lmao

[patent schooner]

Tony Gilroy

[summer pasture]

That's exactly what I was going for

[fervent cape]

Andor s2e12 ||Just finished, I would have won big if I put money on that final scene ||

[prime flint]

https://tenor.com/view/infinitestratos-0814-attack-gif-14776258

[patent schooner]

Andor12|| It would be very funny if Cassians son is actually played by Diego luna but with a ridiculous mustache and haircut 🤣 ||

||give him like a muttonchops mohawk combo||

||betting 20 credits Bix named him Brasso👍 ||

||Brasso really was like a big brother to both her and cassian so it would make sense||

[prime flint]

||Do we know it's a boy? Could also see a Marva.||

[patent schooner]

||yeah we dont. But Diego has to play them either way||

||and yeah Maarva is a safe bet as well||

[polar mural]

Im excited ti now watch rouge one in the context of andor

[polar mural]

Rogue 1 + Andkr ||So do with think Saw's gas mask gives hin Rhydonium||

[patent schooner]

my hearts says yes my brain says no

[summer pasture]

Same tags ||Either rhydonium or it's oxygen because the rhydonium irreparably destroyed his lungs. Both feel very saw||

[summer pasture]

I have a suggestion

Andor all ||can we make the old alien grandma in the hospital the new Darth jar jar||

[echo echo]

||I assume it is treatment for lung damaged caused by the Rhydonium||

[summer pasture]

This is such a clever theory

[patent schooner]

||She tried sneaking in to interrogate luthan herself||

[patent schooner]

I kinda thought that was the obvious explanation

[copper kite]

https://www.tumblr.com/espanolbot2/783593777040326656

[wispy lichen]

Based George

[wintry lark]

Did he mean 6-year old children

[rose cliff]

Ah yes, thats why I didn't find jar jar funny, I wasnt 12! It all makes sense now 😌

[copper kite]

The exact age of the children isn’t really the point for this quote

[wintry lark]

I'm 100% confident that kids who are almost teenagers do not like Jar Jar

[summer pasture]

(I was making a funny because I said the same thing lol)

[verbal relic]

CG Tarkin failed to age well about 5 minutes after the CGI was complete.

(They should have just recast him for Rogue One. I will die on this hill.)

[wispy lichen]

Recasts >>>>

[verbal relic]

I will forever wish they'd cast Peter Capaldi. 1) he has the gravitas and looks to pull off Tarkin, and 2) then we would've had the part played by two British actors named Peter who have also portrayed the Doctor.

[wispy lichen]

Lmao

[verbal relic]

Think of the symmetry.

[wintry lark]

Rogue One ||They did recast him. They just couldn't leave well enough alone and had to do a deepfake||

Rogue One ||Guy Henry and Ingvild Deila could absolutely have worked as Tarkin and Leia without any CGI||

[vapid fossil]

pedantic, but I believe that Rogue One was years before deepfake

[verbal relic]

I mean, yeah, they had a person under that CG mask. But I don't think they ever intended his face to be visible.

Rogue One ||The CG Leia face was even worse than the Tarkin one. Super extra spicy uncanny valley.||

[vapid fossil]

I think that should be spoiler tagged

[vestal quiver]

Also Carrie was still alive when ||rogue one ||came out and recasting Leia when she was alive was probably a non starter

[verbal relic]

You're right. I did mine. @wintry lark you should hide yours under tags, too. And JM.

[vestal quiver]

Good?

[wintry lark]

Harrison Ford is still alive and Solo: A Star Wars Story came out

[vestal quiver]

||Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher have two very different relationships to Star Wars ||

Plus TFA TLJ || Han was already dead while Carrie was still working as Leia when the movie came out ||

[bitter trail]

omg I said that

YO

[summer pasture]

OH

[summer pasture]

Aside from what JM said, I think it's worth separating (solo + R1) ||A full movie's protagonist and a fifteen-second scene meant to be as reminiscing of the OT as possible||

Then again (Mandalorian all) ||For Pete's sake, Mark please let them recast Luke I hate it so much||

On the OTHER other hand, I do feel that star wars has some level of suspension of uncanny valley with those things

A lot of the aliens even nowadays feel Really Weird if you stare

Even the ones that are very well done! (In order, Ahsoka, Andor all, TPM)

||Hera at times (And Ahsoka herself, especially the younger version's head)||

||Raddus (Especially when talking)||

||Maul's horns having visible glue||

[polar mural]

Rouge 1 ||I love blind space ninja||

[vapid fossil]

The bat from sonic is in star wars?

[summer pasture]

There's a punchline here I am being a good man about

[polar mural]

Rouge 1+Andor ||Seeing rouge 1 in the co text of Saw's speach...||

[shrewd sky]

C2v or D4h?

[verbal relic]

https://tenor.com/view/rarity-mlp-my-little-pony-blinking-gif-25906665

[bright blade]

Okay, I have so many thoughts and I don't know where to begin or end them, but wow, having finished Andor I can confidently say this whole show is PEAK.

So incredible on so many fronts. Rogue One rewatch coming soon.

[summer pasture]

Andor all + OT ||With how the show ended now I need a clip show of Dedra reacting to alderaan, then Yavin, then the ds2, then endor, etc||

[gray tinsel]

Rogue 1 ||i got a question about the finale of Rogue 1, why did Tarkin blow up the data tower on Scariff? seems a bit like overkill when they could attack the rebel fleet instead||

[sturdy scroll]

Andor season 2, episode 10 ||Luthen Rael was Sergeant Lear. Rael is Lear reversed. So he didn't really leave his name behind. He just became the reverse of who he was, in effect. Interesting and poetic, to my mind||

[bitter trail]

oooooooooooo

[vestal quiver]

Oh that reminded me I want to ask the server if || Luthen has any parallels to king Lear or somebody in that play.|| Andor 2x10

[sturdy scroll]

||imo, not really; the plot of that play centers around King Lear and his three daughters, whom he proposes to give his kingdom to in proportion to how much they love him. I suppose it could be argued the Kleya is a Cordelia analog but it's flimsy. Beyond Lear and Luthen both dying, I don't find a lot of similarity.||

[vestal quiver]

||ah okay thank you!||

[sturdy scroll]

assuming this is in response to me...it's weird. I'm the only person I know who noticed. My wife didn't and she plays with words like I do. None of my friends noticed. And a Star Wars discord I'm on of around 1200 people, none of them noticed either. There's no way it's an accident, imo, the world and plot are too well planned and laid out for that. It's a fun easter egg of sorts, at least to me.

I should also note I've not watched 11 and 12 yet so I've had to be careful with what I click on in here. My wife and I will watch them together Sunday night, that's the next time we'll have a chance to sit for a couple of hours

[echo echo]

Mike Duncan confirmed Andor Enjoyer

[vestal quiver]

I think it got archived but I had a post where gilroy talked about listening to revolutions

[wispy lichen]

Les Mis and Andor have completely different thematic purposes for their revolutions

[echo echo]

Yeah, fun to see the loop get closed on that

Which, I mean Duncan being a Star Wars Enjoyer is so far from news

So it is no surprise that he watched and enjoyed Andor

[vocal wharf]

Oh interesting, I also clocked that but didn’t think there was much deeper significance and forgot about it with the whole rest of the episodes.

[warm thicket]

I haven't watched Andor or Les Miserables, but I'm gonna guess they're the same thing just like how Fight Club and Barbie are the same or Moana and The Matrix are the same

Or Star Wars and Harry Potter

[echo echo]

I mean I do get the connection

Especially since [Andor s2] ||Ghorman gets pushed fairly aggressively French-flavored||

[prime flint]

"Rebellions happen in them" 😄

[echo echo]

Credit where its due, the June Rebellion is more "civil unrest" than the actual Star Wars Rebellion

[wispy lichen]

Also ||Syril-Javert and Cassian-Valjean|| could be a comparison someone might make

Not me. I think they’re very different. But I can see the train of thought

[prime flint]

If you book out all the parts that don't have anything to do with it, yeah. 😄

I mean, also ||Dedra & Luthen||

But... It's not like ||"enforcer chasing a criminal"|| is unique to Les Mis. 😂

[summer pasture]

If anything Andor had a vibe that reminded me of a Terry Pratchett novel of all things

Andor all, Sequels all, and also Terry Pratchett's Night Watch ||with what we know of the sequels, the whole point of Andor reminded me of a quote from Pratchett - "Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again.". The revolution may not enact endless utopian change but it's worth fighting for it all the same, less for the Ideology and more for the people ||

[shrewd sky]

sorry i just finished a inorganic chemistry class and i have a lot of the symmetry of molecules in my head right now

and the symmetry label for water is C2v

[dull dust]

I love that class

I have my symmetry textbook by my bed

[gray tinsel]

oh my god

ANH||i rewatched A New Hope and i had forgotten that Luke turned off his targeting computer. I cannot imagine how Rebel command reacted to their last hope of blowing up the Death Star deciding "Nah, im gonna do this with my eyesight". Wouldn't be surprised if some simply died from shock||

[summer pasture]

ANH ||I think the funniest part of that scene is that there's nothing that indicates the torpedoes aren't keel-mounted which makes the whole thing kinda hilarious||

[gray tinsel]

ANH||because they should just fly straight ahead and not make a 90° turn downwards?||

[summer pasture]

ANH ||That and the fact that unlike, say, a gimballed launcher, you aim with the ship's nose so any aiming would need the direction to change a bit||

[vale dirge]

Ugh, Andor is just sooo good

And Disney is never going to make the mistake of allowing something like it to be made again 😭

[vapid fossil]

just think, instead of Andor we could have gotten this
https://vxtwitter.com/Queener_Weener/status/1923064446127124867

Abby 🟢 (@Queener_Weener)

I do not say this lightly but I genuinely think Star Wars might be cooked this is so bleak

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 15, 2025, 5:14 PM

[frigid nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/snorbbler-heres-the-dugong-sea-cow-fish-gif-15447522917977577754

[prime flint]

Omg, wtf. Is this link real?

[vapid fossil]

from this ted talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Yo7PULlPs

[autumn hemlock]

Damn, didn't know ATLA was in the Star Wars Galaxy

[polar mural]

Holy [REDACTED] imagination my ass. I cant imagine having my name attached to that. It looks like earth animals with heads on bodies swapped. Its looks so awful like actually holy hell who let this see the light of day. If this is what goes for Innovation in starwars. We are so cooked. So long and thanks for Andor

[supple star]

That garbage does not deserve THAT Rebels theme.

[bright blade]

I'm genuinely angry this even exists.

[supple star]

This is so sad, because an actual well made Star Wars nature documentary series would be awesome.

“Here on the islands of Atch-to lives the humble porg”

[bright blade]

Let's just be glad the miracle that is Andor was allowed to exist.

Andor series finale ||You know what I realized at the end of the episode? Assuming the baby Bix is holding is Cassian's child, the show still ends with us looking at an Andor. Living up to its name perfectly. ❤️||

[broken smelt]

Haha yeah it's awful, but it's also not Lucasfilm presenting that. So I wouldn't give it any thought

[plush cobalt]

Andor Finale ||Nooo.. why did they show us his child. Now I can't watch R1 withouth crying 😢||

But honestly
This is the best Star Wars series and a perfect tie in to the movie
Love it
10/10

[supple star]

I just learned that in the Rouge One novelization that ||after K2 decides to sacrifice himself he imagines that Cassian and Jyn make it out safely so he could die happy. 😭😭||

[gray tinsel]

Andor s2||https://vxtwitter.com/rotsoka/status/1923570305689112944||

hayden!! loves qort (@rotsoka)

https://t.co/AdmpyE2ssP

QRT: lostaffections
if i die, you’ll kill me, right?

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 17, 2025, 2:44 AM

[summer pasture]

Tales of the Underworld 1 ||I have to admit, I know we've seen an overabundance of it lately but akimbo sabers are still SO COOL||

[dull dust]

Honestly Andor has made my opinion of rouge one go down. There’s a few scenes that have been enhanced but it just makes the mcu era isms stand out more

[supple star]

Actually it is ILM’s (Industrial Light and Magic) chief creative officer who presented it. That might be worse.

[broken smelt]

Yeah I know, I guess I mean more he's not in charge of making stories or overseeing movies so I don't see it as a Star Wars problem. Though it may be a problem for Hollywood overall, if that's the direction studios start moving

[cedar osprey]

God this sucks so bad

Especially since a Star Wars nature documentary sounds like a great idea with a lot of potential

Just for it to get ruined by AI

[dull dust]

Wait gungan ears have bones?!?!?!?

[summer pasture]

I mean

That was obvious init

I don't really follow why people are surprised, look at them they're basically bat wings

[cedar osprey]

YAY, I can’t wait for the new episode of Andor tonigh- oh wait…

[fervent cape]

Check out murderbot if you haven't already 🫡

[cedar osprey]

Adria Arjona is quite literally a goddess

Best actor from Andor tbh

[sinful saddle]

Out of context this thumbnail is hilarious

[wintry lark]

I think this is why acronyms traditionally have periods between the letters

[summer pasture]

Apropos of nothing (Sequels all), ||with how Inquisitors seem to have been a Number, I am once again vaguely vexed that we got Snoke and Palps with little to no extra info instead of a Jerec-style figure who simply rebuilt what was already around. Especially in hindsight with how underwhelming the villains were in general||

Same tags ||Hell, the narrative foil of Luke rebuilding the Order pitted against an inquisitor rebuilding the Inquisitorius would be fun||

[dry herald]

||I don't hate the sequels, but they definitely are a sea of missed opportunities and making things up as they go||

[summer pasture]

||I don't hate 2/3 by themselves but I hate most of what they've done to the surrounding setting||

[toxic rune]

Sequels ||I hate that we were heading an interesting way with Last Jedi and then nope we were not||

[autumn hemlock]

||That was probably what the initial idea behind the Knights of Ren was, instead of that... whatever it was that we got||

[dry herald]

Sequels ||Yeah, definitely agree there. Tlj is the best of the sequels imo. And then jj just kind of backtracked on everything in episode 9||

[rose cliff]

Sequels ||This conversation is prompting me to revisit tlj, I watched it in theaters and i left not liking it at all, but that was years ago.... maybe with more movies I might appreciate it more like the force awakens??||

||I could never hate episode 7 though, its my baby||

[warm thicket]

I loved TLJ dispite it's many flaws.
||Kylo Ren's whole arc was so awesome. You've got this kid who was born hearing, "you're so much like Luke," went to train and heard, "you're so much like your parents," and then got betrayed when Luke said, "you're so much like your grandfather."||
||His whole life all he's been told over and over is that he's so much like other people that came before him, and he was never given a chance to be anything else. Even Snoke only ever compared him to other people, never saying that he was, himself, worthy of anything.||
||And then he decided he had enough. "Let the past die, kill it if you have to." He wanted to wash it all away, burn it all down. He destroyed his helmet because he didn't want to be like those that came before him, he wanted to be something new. He saw that chance in Rey, the chance to start fresh. Hell, she was a poor nobody from a planet in the middle of nowhere, it's hard to get more free from the legacy of the past than that.||

Then Rise of Skywalker came along and ||he just did Darth Vader again||
||The mask is back. The legacy is back. The apprenticeship is back. He's not new anymore, just re-trodding old ground.||
||It's hard to say I hate this movie. More it just makes me incredibly sad knowing what could have been.||

[dry herald]

||Yeah, hard agree there. I still enjoy Rise of Skywalker more than episode 2 personally, but it has many flaws, most of which come from just doing all kinds of 180s||

[warm thicket]

Damn, Legacy of the Past goes kinda hard. I'm gonna write a book with that title now

[rose cliff]

||if anything, that feeling is even worse than pure hatred ||

[warm thicket]

Yeah. I know that kids these days still like the whole trilogy, as do many adults. So I'm happy in that regard. It shifts the movie from "bad" to "not for me" which is a much happier category.
Plus there's all the shows and whatnot that, while being hit or miss, seem to hit a lot

And I've got the sequel books by Timothy Zahn. It's like the best of both worlds there really. I get two possible choices for what happened to the characters after the original trilogy, you don't get that very often

Speaking of, I got Heir to the Empire on my kobo. I've never read the book, only listened to it, so I'm excited to see how things differ.
The audiobook has sound effects, which is really fricken cool

[rose cliff]

Aww that's nice! And thats a very mature and healing way to think about it 🥰

[warm thicket]

Yeah. I kinda seethed about it for a long while until I talked to a coworker last year at some point about how he was watching through Mandolorian with his son and he was loving it. And I was like, "why am I hating this so much when it brings others joy?"
I do wish Disney would kinda just stop with the sequel storyline. Jump like 50 years in the future and do something more new. But oh well.

Like, my dream is a trilogy where Jedi and Sith are starting back up. Both of them being as strict with their beliefs as ever, trying to recruit people to their ways. At first it'll seem like we're re-treading old ground, bringing back old rivalries.
And then a third group comes in. A group that doesn't care about philosophies or styles or combat. A group that trains in ways to use the force as a means to an end and nothing else. A group that doesn't believe in fighting with lightsabers when you can kill so much more effectively with a blaster.
The Jedi and Sith both see this as a perversion of the force and have to set aside their differences to take on this new group, and along the way find the balance between each other.

[unkempt sail]

I'm reminded of themes from Legend of Korra

[wispy lichen]

TLJ is ||my least favorite Star Wars movie||

[summer pasture]

Hmm

I have a Take about this actually

[wispy lichen]

Nice! We were recently talking about doing a group read in this channel and starting with HTTE.

[warm thicket]

Oh?

[warm thicket]

I'd be down
I've got a lot of experience with theorizing and talking as if I've never seen a piece of media, so I'd be down to join the read along

[wispy lichen]

I think we had talked about maybe Thrawn Trilogy - XWing 1-4- I, Jedi - XWing 5-8 - Courtship of Princess Leia- Hand of Thrawn - OB Flight + Survivor’s Quest then NJO
With Rogue Planet somewhere in NJO

The ultimate goal was hitting NJO

[summer pasture]

I think it goes against the whole point of the sith in most characterisations. I always disagreed with the concept of "balance between jedi and sith" meaning equal amounts of each. When one side strives for balance and the other strives for genocide "meeting in the middle" feels a bit wishy washy

Examples of "middle ground" characters are almost always just... Not in the Dark but also not part of the jedi, which doesn't make them not in the Light.

Light side being balance was explicitly part of the Lucas canon

[wispy lichen]

Yeah. The light was balance. It was more like destruction/coercion is the dark and nature is the light

[summer pasture]

Of course monkey girl comes to bat for me here

[warm thicket]

When I say a balance between Jedi and Sith I don't mean a middle ground between The Emporer and The Rebels, I mean a middle ground between people who utilize the force through meditation and those who utilize the force through emotion, if that makes sense

[vestal quiver]

Qui Gon’s particular set of skills

Star Wars Episode 10: Taken

[wispy lichen]

I mean it really depends what you mean by “utilize emotion” because to have fear and anger and love and not be ruled by them is an ideal goal and is something I’ve seen Jedi profess particularly in the later EU more than anything.
For me at least, I think of the force as a sort of river. To bend that river to your will is to be a dark sider. To accept the natural flow of life and death is to be of the light.
The things and concepts you describe are very in line with Luke of the EU, or Vergere, or Qui Gon. That is to say, the problem with the Sith is not that they have emotions but that they allow their emotions to rule their actions.

[summer pasture]

Also the Dark Side specifically typically talks about bad or dangerous emotions to live life by

Even when it's not anger, hate, vengeance, it's typically blind passion, which Ends Poorly if it's your only guide in life

[wispy lichen]

Now did the Jedi Order go far in their fear of uncontrollable emotions? Maybe. But it’s hard to blame them when you see the opposite extreme. Which is why I love the (EU) ||way Luke’s order is a different type of order ||

||where marriage, families, and more are welcome||

[wispy lichen]

I think it’s easy to see this as appealing. I mean, it seems so easy, so strong. Such an easy way to power. And that’s the point.

And why deny what feels naturally borne?

[warm thicket]

When I say a balance between Jedi and Sith I don't mean a middle ground between The Emporer and The Rebels, I mean a middle ground between people who utilize the force through meditation and those who utilize the force through emotion, if that makes sense

Oooo, glad to see my message sent twice that's fun

[wispy lichen]

Oh haha

ESB || https://youtu.be/y1hCMKav3LE?si=Fh_aNDfhkgLM7i6D
||

Anyway um I had a feeling Kensa was gonna say something like that lol

[warm thicket]

Uh-huh sure. Trust some frog to truthfully answer the question "are your worst enemies better than you?"
-# /s

[toxic rune]

that's not what balance is though 😭

[toxic rune]

you are selling me on the dark side tbh

[bitter trail]

balance definitely does not have to mean 50/50 half good half evil

"equal" is a word you use when you expect to see a meaning of 50/50 split

balance != equal

[warm thicket]

Balance to the force, not balance between Jedi and Sith

[toxic rune]

light side good dark side bad is also not balance

[bitter trail]

light side good dark side bad seems exactly like what we're told about it and have zero reason to consider it wrong, and also on a different axis of the question of what balance is

[toxic rune]

that's why you burn the jedi order archives and start anew yeah 😌

[bitter trail]

k

[wispy lichen]

I’m exercising self control and not doing this for the 100th time

[vale dirge]

*1000th

[summer pasture]

Because I'm always right? 😇

[warm thicket]

Really what I want from balance of anything is for Luke to go, "that one time I force choked those guards in Jabba's palace was probably not a cool move."
I've heard people say that he didn't actually choke them, he just mind tricked them into thinking they were being choked, but imo that's even worse

[toxic rune]

LMAO

that is a crazy argument

[summer pasture]

(yes I'm physically incapable of accepting being perceived without a jokey joke)

[toxic rune]

I never heard that one tbh

[wispy lichen]

Nah because I agree with you

[summer pasture]

Same difference

[toxic rune]

what I want from balance in Star Wars is for it to actually be closer to its taoist inspiration instead of this bastardisation that equates dark with evil

[warm thicket]

What I want from balance is for a force user to say, "no no no! I'm not a 'Dark Jedi' I'm a Dark Mode Jedi!" and she ignites her lightsaber and it's just less bright than a regular saber

[toxic rune]

LMAO

[wispy lichen]

I would argue there is some aspect of Zoroastrianism influence as well. I mean the Light is called Ashla (clear reference to the Zoroastrian Asha)

I’m not trying to discuss the merits of this, merely pointing out it is not just Taoism

[supple star]

How I’ve always viewed the force is that the dark side is a corruption or distortion of how the force is naturally. When one uses the light side of the force they are flowing with it. When one uses the dark side they are warping the force to their will.

One thing I want to see more of in Star Wars though is stories diving into the different ways the Force is viewed. I don’t want just one explanation for how the Force works.

[toxic rune]

people keep selling me even more on the dark side 😔

[wispy lichen]

My ideal Star Wars is anything that gets into this sort of question

KOTOR 2 and NJO Traitor are my top SW things for a reason

(They come to very different answers, but it is in the questions that I find enjoyment)

[supple star]

Same here. I was hoping for that from Acolyte but it didn’t fully deliver on that aspect for me.

[wispy lichen]

Acolyte felt like the creator had interesting ideas but Disney prevented her from fully acting on it

(Also was a bit more edgelordy which is ehh)

[supple star]

How does Traitor talk about this. You just increased my interest in reading NJO.

[toxic rune]

I would love less manichaeist visions of the force 🙏

[wispy lichen]

So as a back story for some general NJO stuff ||the Yuuzhan Vong are seemingly cut off from the force and the Jedi have understood the force to be life itself so this raises the question of: what is the force? Is it life?
Who are the Yuuzhan Vong? Has life itself given up on them?
And this goes hand in hand with the conflict of conscience in the MC Jacen who grapples with these questions of violence and peace. He cannot accept this idea that the force would forsake any life and in that vein struggles to take life. He even swears off use of the force at one point. ||
Now, in Traitor, this comes to a head (mild plot spoilers, I’ll avoid big stuff) ||when Jacen undergoes some seriously traumatic experiences. His mentor acts as his guide through this dark time and offers a less binary view of the force wherein the dark side does not exist as an external entity. It exists only within each of our hearts, making our choices our own. The dark side did not turn Vader evil, for instance. He chose. People will often use the “dark side” as an excuse, a crutch for not wanting to accept they are the sort to do evil things. And in this vein, the force does not pick and choose. The Vong must exist in the force, too. So, they are worthy of life and worthy of the all encompassing love Jacen comes to have for life, deciding not to be their destroyer but their salvation.||
I expand on this in my own personal view (which is debatably supported) ||that the force is like a pool with no conscious choice, but people corrupt that pool as it flows through them, creating the visual effects we see from using the dark side (like yellow eyes and evil looking faces)||

And KOTOR 2 and Traitor actually ask a lot of the same questions like ||is it okay to just murder so long as you’re “on the light”? Is it really fair to forsake all emotions? Is it someone’s fault if this dark entity influences them?|| and more

But they come to opposite answers in a way

[supple star]

Ooh that’s I like that. I always didn’t like ||Yuuzhan Vong because I always heard that they existed outside the Force and that didn’t not make much sense with the whole it connects all life thing and reminded me of my least favorite depiction of the Force, where it is portrayed more like the Bene Gesserat powers||

What you said makes them now make sense to me.

[wispy lichen]

People often use it as a talking point without realizing it is central to the theme of the series lol

It’s interesting when Jacen says (Traitor) ||they must simply be on a different “channel” or must be seen in a way outside of the Jedi’s vision of the force, still existing in it||

[supple star]

Well now I want to read NJO

[wispy lichen]

Just know it’s not all good but at it’s best it is my favorite Star Wars

(It is my favorite book series period haha)

[summer pasture]

I have a bit of a Take on KOTOR 2 too

[wispy lichen]

I do too

[summer pasture]

Probably much the same take as me, given our usual views on SW

[wispy lichen]

KOTOR 2 ||I think Kreia is just butt hurt that karma exists||

To sum up my thoughts in a short way

KOTOR 2 ||I think Kreia is interesting but also wrong||

[summer pasture]

Mainly my biggest issue is KOTOR 2 ||I agree with you, first of all, but also feel that the game is designed as a soapbox for her. In MANY dialogues there's a million possible rebuttals or ways to call out faulty leaps in logic but as a player you can't really offer much more than feeble "no u"s||

[wispy lichen]

KOTOR 2 ||oh yes this whole game is a soapbox for sure||

[toxic rune]

it is a chris avellone game after all

it's very his brand of liberalism

KOTOR 2 ||Kreia is pretty much just saying the star wars version of the problem of evil||

[supple star]

This does remind me of the one thing I don’t want with more interpretations of the Force. Which is that I want them from the characters, not the authors. Because I don’t care for the “Jedi aren’t perfect so the Sith are actually good” take. The Sith are evil fascists who desire absolute control over everything. You can show that it is appealing, but don’t make them the good guys.

[toxic rune]

I don't mind "the sith are always evil" though nuance is more interesting than them being the saturday morning cartoon villain faction

what I want is more "the jedi are the actual worst" tho 🙏

KOTOR 2 ||one interesting thing about Kreia's point is that there's meta portion to it||

KOTOR 2 ||like, Star Wars is a big media franchise built on action and lone heroes saving the world-galaxy-universe. As such, there's never going to be peace and happiness in Star Wars, because there needs to be an evil looming threat for the good lone hero to defeat||

[toxic rune]

KOTOR 2 ||it's easy to see how living in that world you'd come to blame the force for an issue that exists beyond the world||

KOTOR 2 ||beyond the whole problem of evil thing which is also very valid||

[broken smelt]

I will be interested to see if the Rey New Jedi Order movie introduces a new Force sect with a different view of the Force from the Jedi/Sith. Because of the currently announced projects it seems like it's the only one outside of Ahsoka S2 that even has the possibility of delving into stuff like that

[supple star]

I suspect Dawn of the Jedi might delve into it.

[wispy vortex]

Hey, theres a few in canon

like rebels ||Bendu||

Or

Thrawn Ascendancy ||The skywalkers||

[broken smelt]

True! Even Clone Wars ||the Nightsisters of course, and that other group I've forgotten the nsame of - the ones Jar Jar and Mace help||

[toxic rune]

there's going to be a rey new jedi order movie?

[supple star]

There is also J:FO ||the Zeffo||
There is a lot of canon force religions.

Some notable ones are The Guardians of the Whills and the Path of the Open Hand

[broken smelt]

Yeah it's one of the movies they announced is in development at Celebration in 2023

[wispy lichen]

Guardians of the Whills

[dry herald]

Andor 1.4 + kotor || huh, just realized the rakatan from kotor were mentioned here. Interesting||

[toxic rune]

this does not bring joy 😔

[smoky spruce]

Question about Andor season 2. I’m watching the show with my parents who haven’t seen Rogue One, and I have heard that the end of Andor s2 might have some overlap with the movie. I’m wondering if it will be alright to watch s2 before seeing Rogue One, or if we should watch it now that we are between seasons. Anyone got opinions?

[wispy vortex]

you can go right from it to Rogue One

[dull dust]

Yeah you should be fine

[smoky spruce]

Okay good to know

Thanks

[prime flint]

I wouldn't say it has overlap.

[summer pasture]

I'd call it a segue more than an overlap

[sturdy scroll]

yeah, it basically cuts off a few minutes/hours ahead of the events of Rogue One

[broken smelt]

Rogue One is almost just the next set of Andor episodes

[smoky spruce]

Cool

[cedar osprey]

God it’s so refreshing to watch this and see Star Wars fans actually be Star Wars fans

[dull dust]

The way she say i love his black kills me she ain't wrong thow he got the outfit

[cedar osprey]

Shoutout to the guy who wanted Vader to win

[dull dust]

Hey man i think he and Luke would make much better dictators than palps

I mean have you seen his face luke is much more attractive

[tame turret]

I keep forgetting this is a thing

[warm thicket]

Shoutout to the guy making the "it's Morbin' Time" style joke way way before the internet even existed to make such a joke

[wintry lark]

Everyone else isn't

[echo echo]

Andor go brrrr

[bitter trail]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[supple star]

You know I think having a Star Wars channel made people here talk about Star Wars more.

[vapid fossil]

Yep, same thing happened with #sports

In urban planning it's known as induced demand where adding a lane to a road leads to more cars in total using the road rather than the same number of cars using it

[wintry lark]

then where's all the Dropout talk

[vapid fossil]

It'll drop out (🥁) of the active channel list eventually

[warm thicket]

I find dropout is mostly fun to watch with friends, but it does not spark much conversation outside of that. At least for me

[vocal wharf]

There has been more dropout talk than before I think. Not much, but a bit more.

[vestal quiver]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJ1tkOAIJjC/?igsh=MzRqZWx3eW1ydzEw

ponomaribo

Andor is now considered one of the greatest shows ever made! I spent almost a year of my life working on it, and we gave it our all to make it what it is.
So happy to see the world giving this show what it deserves!
AD #andor #starwars #disneyplus #disneyplusuk

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There is some swearing in the song that’s playing

Oh and spoilers for andor s2

[cedar osprey]

I so desperately need to see Star Wars back on the big screen

[tame turret]

I was about to say "good* star wars" but that's kinda the whole debate in the fandom huh

[warm thicket]

It really is better up there.
At the very least, it's better when you've got something other than factory-included speakers on a TV or headphones on a computer

I'd say that seeing Revenge of the Sith in the standard theater was a roughly equivalent experience to my setup at home, but if something like a Dolby cinema really makes the movies feel as big as they ought to feel

[unkempt sail]

https://tenor.com/view/amc-cinema-movie-magic-gif-24215420

[toxic rune]

I'm good on big screen star wars

the star wars stories I want don't really need the flash or even much of a blockbuster budget tbh

and definitely could use more than a 90-120min length

[rose cliff]

I think im satisfied until a rerelase again, Revenge of the Sith was soooooooooooo peak

[vapid fossil]

Watching Andor with my mom and she said out of the blue she remembered Mon Mothma from the DK Star Wars books

I completely failed to recognize my mom's star wars game

[queen folio]

mannnnnn I read so many of those as a kid

[dry herald]

Andor 1.6 rewatch + rogue one ||so I saw something somewhere about how climb became arc words. And I saw this in the episode. With it as a reminder of Nemik for andor. Which leads to a reminder, leading to him to eventually grow into many of the qualities nemik had. Gaining the idealism to ane extent by the end of rogue one. And being all in, like nemok was.

Also interesting to see a contrast in climb between Skeen and Nemik. Nemik, trying to climb to something higher. While as Skeen said, he was trying to always climb on top of others. One died, leading to be a catalyst for Cassian's growth. And Skeen in the opposite way, by showing Cassian the misery of the way he was, what it could lead to. ||

Tldr: andor is even better on a rewatch

[autumn hemlock]

Andor 203, KotOR ||Rakatan raiders? KotOR is re-canon some more again?||

[dull dust]

||Gotta say going back to rogue one the vague optimism tone of voice they wrote all of Jyns lines really grates my nerves more than I remeber || rogue one all

[tame turret]

rogue one ||I think its possible that a post-Andor Rogue One would have a slightly different tone to it, but also, honestly, I think it's fine||

||I think in some ways it works better, even, because Andor does that whole, "a lot of people carry scars of events that have happened in the past, but you seem to be building momentum towards some significant event in your future" thing||

||by the time we get to Rogue One, the Force is there in full effect, around this team, because they're almost channelling its will to restore balance, so you're kind of seeing it come through in their perspectives||

||these aren't people who can impose their will on the Force, these aren't Jedi or Sith, these people represent the average common folk that kind of get carried around in the flow of the Force, and when Rogue One happens is about time for a new hope...||

[cedar osprey]

The amount of people begging for Battlefront 3 is great

I love it

We need Battlefront 3

[autumn hemlock]

Yeah, but we've needed it for almost 20 years, and last time we got stuck with the EA version

[wispy vortex]

Which is pretty great

It hit its all time player peak today

[cedar osprey]

Battlefront 2 was really good (The EA version)

I remember playing it all the time

[toxic rune]

last time we asked for battlefront 3 we got EA's battlefront so I'm staying quiet this time

same for X-Wing

we wanted a new x-wing/tie fighter game and the monkey paw did curl

[wispy vortex]

Squadrons was good

[wispy lichen]

Squadrons was fun

Gone too soon

[wispy vortex]

The campaign is still super good

[prime flint]

Rogue One ||I think the thing that really frustrates me about it is less the tone alone and also the fact that it has no setup. As a small child her mother was killed by the empire and her father was whisked away to work for them. She's raised by SAW and his crew. And then I guess at some point she leaves them and is just kind of getting by on the streets I guess until she ends up in custody?||

[dull dust]

definetly not grounded in the setting for sure

[prime flint]

||Then suddenly she finds out her dad is maybe still alive and fighting the empire and she's ready to carry a blazing torch of optimism to her grave.|| 😅

[dull dust]

||shes like is katara had no grounding to reality. Like if she was just dropped into a random group ||

[prime flint]

I could believe it of a character. It just comes across really heavy without much setup?

[dull dust]

100%

||like id believe it of every other character other than one i only saw 20 minutes ago with only the context of them being a street rat apperhended ||

[vapid fossil]

Rogue One ||having watched the movie recently, I dont remember all that much optimism. Most of the arguments I remembered where oflver how risky the rebellion wanted to be where one faction was scared of overstepping and the other felt they jad no choice but to start open war over the desth star plans||

[mild sphinx]

Rogue One ||Also having just watched it. It's not optimism she is first out to find her father and the second out to get revenge/validate his sacrifice. Her "optimistic" speeches are her saying what she thinks they need to hear to motivate them. She might believe in the cause because she believes in her father's sacrifice but she also is ready to be ruthless and manipulative because of Saw's upbringing.||

[cedar osprey]

Mark Hamill is just so synonymous with the role of Luke Skywalker that it’s weird to see other people even auditioning for the role

[wintry lark]

It's beautiful too

[dry herald]

Rogue one + andor s1 ||huh, I guess I never found Jyn annoying personally. It felt like a good arc go me. She found a reason to have hope. And like, because of the medium it's not going to he as much of a slow burn arc as andor's one. Which I'm fine with.

I also think having her gain hope was good for finishing cassian's arc. I haven't seen s2 yet, but at least in s1, it was about him choosing to fight for a cause. Rather than for himself. And rogue one is about a transition for the rebellion. Where they are established enough they need to start taking the moral high ground to be able to win. And that was shown with cassian's arc in the movie. ||

[prime flint]

It's hilarious watching them stumble over these lines. 😄

[prime flint]

Cuuuute

[wispy lichen]

Battlefront is so much fun rn

So many people are on

[golden flame]

What do you play on?

[wispy lichen]

PS5

[golden flame]

RIP im on pc 😭

[wispy vortex]

God, Star Wars looks so good, even 58 years later

rewatching ANH

[wintry lark]

You wouldn't be saying that if you were watching on VHS

(although, that's technically unfair because the theatrical version was higher quality. But the special editions did make some changes that made the OT look better)

[wispy vortex]

Excuse me, I’m watching the theatrical smh

[wintry lark]

how

[vapid fossil]

The theatrical version or the despecialized version?

[wispy vortex]

It’s been released a few times over the years, my friends Plex server has 4 different versions of the OT

Theatrical

He also has despecialized

[vapid fossil]

I think the closest to theatrical is some laserdisk version that was released at some point

[vapid fossil]

Did it have the original opening title crawl?

[wispy vortex]

Yep

[vapid fossil]

Then it'd be the laserdisk I think

I believe that mostly just had color grading changed from the theatrical because it wasn't made to be projected

Start at 10:14 to see comparisons between different versions
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKYiISAYCm0

[wispy vortex]

4K77 is closer to theatrical I think, it’s basically just the projector print cleaned up by fans

That was what I was watching

[vapid fossil]

Yeah, looks pretty bad when not projected imo

[wintry lark]

just get a projector

[wispy vortex]

We do have a projector screen at my parents house, just no projector

[vapid fossil]

My point is that I dont see it as changing the artistic vision at all to optimize the movie based on what it's being watched on

For that matter, I also dont have a problem with Lucas determining which versions of the film are legally available. He's the director and if he doesn't like the version which was released in theaters then it's his right to change it

[wintry lark]

I wish the prequels had special editions with redone CGI

Maybe touch up some deleted scenes or even record some new ones

[vapid fossil]

Yeah I was surprised they didn't to that for a May 4th thing yet

Granted on the whole the cgi in the prequels holds up quite well

[wintry lark]

The biggest problem is that the CGI isn't rendered at 4K

[vale dirge]

You know they’re going to release a 50th anniversary 4K special edition of A New Hope

[wispy vortex]

50th anniversary was 8 years ago

[prime flint]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[wispy vortex]

Most of us will be alive for the 100th anniversary

[vale dirge]

TIL 2027 was 8 years ago

[wispy vortex]

Wait

Yeah I’m bad at math

Shhhh

[wintry lark]

ah yes, the cyberpunk year

[cedar osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-palpatine-is-it-possible-learn-this-power-gif-17185041

Isn’t it literally impossible to find the theatrical cuts

[wispy vortex]

Refer to the conversation afterwards

[cedar osprey]

That’s crazy

My brother has a Plex server too

[cedar osprey]

Give me liberty
Give me justice
Give me an X-Wing movie in the style of Top Gun
Or I retire

[wispy lichen]

We’re getting Starfighter

(Imagine a Rogue Squadron show following Corran and Wedge )

[cedar osprey]

I have very little faith in Shawn Levy

Ryan Gosling is going to be great tho

[wispy lichen]

I have little faith too tbh

[wispy vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

Corran is my favorite Jedi

[wispy lichen]

Corran is cool

[echo echo]

I am pretty sure I have wanted this longer than you have been alive

[broken smelt]

I will watch the Starfighter movie, and probably enjoy it. And I'm glad pilot nerds are finally getting something! But personally I've never been hugely into that part of Star Wars

[autumn hemlock]

Got around to watching season 2, and I'm glad to confirm Andor's still good.

[autumn hemlock]

S2 all ||My only gripe is that they're setting up another Important Bloodline with Bix having a kid, but it is what it is||

[polar mural]

||Eh I didn't see it that way I think Bix has a kid but he isnt important, that kinda would go agaist thr themes of andor imo||

[autumn hemlock]

||I don't trust Disney to let the kid be unimportant.||

[echo echo]

||They don't think Andor is important so why would the kid be important||

[hardy jungle]

a new hope, legends general|| i’m not sure how i feel about this idea that the empire knew about the exhaust port vulnerability. i saw a post bring it up recently for a joke but also it was canon in Legends.||

||i think the read of the original movie that makes the most sense is just that the death star plans were analyzed and they found a possible vulnerability. something the designers didn’t consider. just a weird little hole in the ginormous, impossible to thoroughly plan war machine.||

||in the Legends story, the designer knew it and felt it was obvious, which seems silly and against the original intent. but the reason it stayed in was because of bureaucracy and corruption, which is fine, i guess. but like iunno u can make that point about the empire in a different way if you’re writing a wholeass story. come up with your own sequence of events that demonstrates how incompetent and doomed to fail the empire is. you don’t need to reference the events of the OT to do that.||

||and as a premise for a joke, i mean. people like it, evidently. the massive war machine being brought down by a single torpedo is a sort of inherently funny premise to riff on. but the idea that random imperial officers would have any chance to know about this just doesn’t scan for me.||

[dull dust]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcRwGDKulw&pp=ygUTZG9ya2x5IGV4aGF1c3QgcG9ydNIHCQmNCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D||

imma just leave this here (swearing)

[echo echo]

ANH/Legends ||Speaking as someone who is aware of several critical design-level vulnerabilities in real life warships that are both classified and simply have to be worked around I'd say it very much tracks as presented||

[wispy vortex]

Love that video

[dull dust]

Ive never like the premise of rouge 1

its a joke that you make until you realize theirs like 20 billion reasons it could occur

[wispy vortex]

||I knew it! aircraft carriers are weak to water!||

[dull dust]

||its the same lazy thing as we gotta give Chewie his medal guys he didn't get a metal guys || Star wars general

[dull dust]

nah they all melt in contact to sweat. Its just no one works hard enough to actually cuase a problem

[wispy vortex]

Ah, so thats why they’re called the Gravy

[hardy jungle]

||but like, stuff that was left in on purpose because of corruption? or stuff they figured out after the fact and just can’t go back and fix now.||

[echo echo]

ANH/Legends ||Honestly? Who knows how critical design flaws got there. But it is a reality we have to deal with, nothing is perfect so like ||

Actually

As an example I can share because I picked this up on my current job and not as part of the Navy

Early in the GWOT era a bunch of rockets ended turning up dud

[wispy vortex]

GWOT?

[echo echo]

So they set up a facility in northern Utah with the purpose of cutting into rockets and extracting samples of the explosives to determine how/why the rockets were malfunctioning

[echo echo]

Global War On Terror

[wispy vortex]

Ah

[echo echo]

What they discovered was, it was a very specific batch of rockets from late in the Vietnam era, which didn't get completed until after the withdrawal, but which the US hung onto because why not

This specific batch all came from the same factory during the same ~18mo window, and nearly all of them were duds

I was told that there's no real ability or desire to go and investigate a factory that is itself decades derelict, but the assumption is sabotage, probably deriving from anti-war sentiment

So now, here 50 years later as a response they have a program for spot checking rockets by cutting them open and extracting samples and testing them to see if they actually do work

[toxic rune]

now imagine a space station the size of a moon

or planetoid

the most surprising thing to me is there being only one critical vulnerability

[prime flint]

Just finished Skeleton Crew and it was so darn fun.

[dry herald]

Yeah, definitely not my favorite star wars, but I enjoyed it and had fun with it

[patent schooner]

Its a blast. Really loved it for what it was

[cedar osprey]

Revenge of the Sith ||Obi-Wan why are we aura farming during a domestic dispute ||

[summer pasture]

It was good after they were set upon by piranha lawyers

[cedar osprey]

Yeah I’m starting to feel old

This movie slaps so hard and the hate for it is so forced

[golden flame]

Ach

[autumn hemlock]

Disagree on the first part, and grumbling about semantics on the second. In a way, it represents everything that's wrong with Disney Star Wars

But as a movie on it's own, it's fine

In a vacuum, I'd probably rate it a little above RotS. However, none of Star Wars exists in a vacuum, there's too much of it and they want it all to interconnect

Most of the hate for Solo isn't hate for Solo, but hate for where Disney was taking the franchise

[wispy lichen]

It’s a great movie

So much fun

[autumn hemlock]

At the time (and even still, really), it felt like someone at Disney saw the Red Letter Media bit about pandering to Star Wars nostalgia and thought it was advice, not a pained over-exaggeration.

[cedar osprey]

Is this a safe space to say that I don’t care for Red Letter Media

Everything about that channel just seems like it’s insufferable tbh

[autumn hemlock]

They were forged in the internet of yesteryear

[cedar osprey]

The whole “Don’t ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product” meme was insufferable and I’m pretty sure it originated from them

[summer pasture]

I'm once again laughing at the complete tonal dissonance between the star wars eras

And as a corollary the weird stagnation it posits in universe

[broken smelt]

I really like Solo, it's so much fun! I can't believe it's been that long already...

Too bad I don't really have the time or budget for comics, I was interested to see Qira's story continue

[patent schooner]

I still don't get what people mean with this...

[broken smelt]

Especially since Disney had very little to do with Solo. From my understanding, that was a project Lawrence Kasdan had been percolating on for a long time

[sinful saddle]

https://vxtwitter.com/atotalposer/status/1927131573532471366?t=tZVbkpB9h33Hyhz5lm2_sg&s=19

ems 🫧 (@atotalposer)

cool so every time i come across a godawful star wars take i have reasonable grounds to label them a cia psyop

QRT: DiscussingFilm
The CIA has been revealed to have once secretly ran a Star Wars fan website and used it to communicate with overseas spies.

(Source: https://www.techspot.com/news/108062-cia-used-star-wars-fan-site-secretly-communicate.html) https://t.co/ca6T9aLm04

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 26, 2025, 10:35 PM

[wintry lark]

Media (General) finally has more messages than Star Wars
Also Star Wars is getting really close to 1977 messages

[supple star]

Ok so what is everyone’s rankings on the different alphabet fighters. Mine is

1. B as Best Wing
2. U as in I love U Wing
3. X as in eXcellent Wing
4. A as in Awesome Wing
5. Y as in Your cool Wing
6. V as in Very nice Wing
7. E as in Eh your alright Wing

[echo echo]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-space-jump-explosion-crash-gif-20148105

[hardy jungle]

A-wing #1

[echo echo]

A X Y are a clear top 3 for me

Beyond that they're all sort of neat

The Hoth snowspeeder would be number 4 if it were a letter

Actually

V wing is #4 for me

Wait lmao

Star Wars got too big

There's two V-wings now

There's a kind of cool one that is a Clone Wars era sort of proto-TIE looking thing

[hardy jungle]

i would say AXY are also my top 3. e wing and u wing are fine. v wing kinda meh. b wing i actively dislike, sorry

[wispy vortex]

Gotta go with the X wing, it has the best of every world. The survivability and maneuverability for dogfights and the punch to take out capital ships

[echo echo]

A-wings can too if you're creative enough

[supple star]

I forgot about the V Wing I was just thinking about the ones that the rebels used.

[wispy vortex]

The ARC-170 was also super cool

[hardy jungle]

erm the e wing was developed for the new republic

[wispy vortex]

Also yall forgot the K-Wing

[hardy jungle]

there’s a bunch more letter wings but none of them have lego sets so they’re actually fake

[wispy vortex]

I want a Tie Defender Lego set

Or a Tie Avenger

[vapid fossil]

based on my enjoyment in assembling the lego sets of the letter wings that I remember:
Y > X > B

[supple star]

Fixed my ranking.

[wispy lichen]

X - Y - B - E - A - V

X first always

[echo echo]

Beaver wing

[wispy vortex]

The A wing was my first ever Star Wars Lego set

[wispy vortex]

Leaving out the K-Wing, for shame

[echo echo]

Also adore the Jedi starfighters

[wispy vortex]

The StealthX was so cool

[supple star]

The K wing is one of those way to busy legends Star fighters.

[wispy vortex]

It was a bomber with hard points, it was cool!

[supple star]

At least it isn’t one of those Tie Fighters which were just a competition to see how many orbs and wings each strap together

[wispy vortex]

Lmao

I think they peaked with the Chiss Clawcraft and the Defenders

[echo echo]

That's why I like the bog standard Interceptor so well

Very clean

Though to be honest I pretty strongly prefer the Clone Wars Republic stuff on the whole to the Imperial ships

[wispy lichen]

Same

[supple star]

I am rewatching Rebels ||and it is really odd that there are no X-wings in the show. Even when they are on Yavin there is a single X-wing shown.||

[supple star]

Rebels 2:3 ||Gregor: this one is for you General. Kanan: I was never a general. Gregor: oops sorry Commander. 😂||

[wintry lark]

We completely went over 1977 without notice 😔

[cedar osprey]

Rogue One novelization ||CRYING AND SOBBING ON THE FLOOR||

[smoky spruce]

Just finished Rogue One after finishing Andor s2

It’s even better now with the context of Andor

[broken smelt]

Not sure if you're looking for their rationalization but I'm pretty sure ||the idea is that all the X wings are part of one of their other groups/cells that aren't currently on Yavin at the time. Which is still kind of an odd choice, admittedly||

[cedar osprey]

A New Hope ||Imagine if that R2 unit didn’t have a bad motivator, basically all of Star Wars wouldn’t have happened ||