Media (General)

[minor ledge]

Europa Universalis 4 mod

[cobalt onyx]

SMH D&D cutting out the scene where George walks in and explains the mechanical intricacies of the Ancient Andal Warp Drive, powered by magics and technologies lost to the march of time

[lucid haven]

i honestly just dont think as a world we are at a point where it makes sense to do that either. The tropes and the themes have moved towards brandons type of fantasy rather than high fantasy for the most part gen pop wise

and i think somewhat moved past brandon ish at times as well

[ionic lily]

Brandon’s type of fantasy is high fantasy

[molten jetty]

But why? Like legitimately, why?

(And Stormlight is def high fantasy)

[ionic lily]

High fantasy just means the setting isn’t in our world

[lucid haven]

because culture and trends move, but stormlight is highfantasy in a way that isnt the same as the typicall sword and sorc high fantasy

[topaz oyster]

Brandon specifically is too cinematic universe I think to be attractive to Hollwood in 2025 even if the Rings of Powers of the world hadn't already poisoned that well

[crimson kelp]

not sure what you're saying here. How do you characterise Sanderson's work and worlds?

[midnight compass]

Well it's turning more into science fantasy but that was always gonna happen

[topaz oyster]

That's secondary world fantasy

[molten jetty]

High fantasy = magic and swords and battles and grandness
Low fantasy = fantastical storytelling, but in a more grounded way (ala GoT)

[lucid haven]

well im trying to talk about the tolkein into the robert jordan to the brandon to beyond esq things

[ionic lily]

No

[lucid haven]

where high fantasy sword and sorc isnt the same as it once was

and for the most part culture has moved onwards

[ivory night]

I think a large part of the original game of thrones popularity was that it did tv things extremely well especially when it was forced to do more dialogue scenes early on because of budget constraints (they talk about this in the making of book).

[molten jetty]

I think Brandon’s books def still evoke the sword and sorcery qualities

[ivory night]

Like you have to adapt or the medium

[topaz oyster]

And I say this thinking he's still the juiciest available fruit for adaptation despite this, outside maybe something from Joe Abercrombie

[minor ledge]

yeah

idk how you can say they dont

[lucid haven]

yes but i would argue that its still different to classical and like game of thrones is back in the before times in the era before

[ivory night]

-# also streaming killing traditional tv watching habits making it harder for any show to be as popular in an era of incredibly expensive shows is uh not great

[molten jetty]

Has culture actually moved on tho? Or does hollywood just deem it too “childish”

[lucid haven]

no i think you are conflating things here

[minor ledge]

Streaming is how a couple shows got so big

[winged mountain]

that's not a bad thing for a serialized high fantasy show

streaming is killing the medical procedural and cop drama moreso than high fantasy series

[ivory night]

And that’s why wheel of time still exists

[winged mountain]

or the friends sitcom

[minor ledge]

wheel of time failed because it was bad

[ivory night]

While NCIS is on show 6 and season 20

[molten jetty]

Wheel of Time failed because it didn’t have a wide enough draw and had bad marketing

[lucid haven]

ooof no i definatly dont agree there, i also think it was just hitting its stride AND was getting back on track to the books by the end of the most recent season

[molten jetty]

WoT

[winged mountain]

i'd prefer the phrase 'because not enough people liked it', or 'people gave up before it found its footing'

[oak ivy]

also covid and it had poor market timing

[ivory night]

Streaming made shows big when Netflix was dominant. The market has been fractured because every company wants a piece and every streamer is burning cash

[lucid haven]

i dont think "it was bad" is an objective statemnt

[minor ledge]

if you need 3 seasons to find your footing your not a good show

[molten jetty]

Also: I think the lack of popularity of smth like WoT is directly related to how complex the world and magic is

[topaz oyster]

I'd agree that WoT was bad if I'd only watched the first season

[molten jetty]

General audiences want “turn on in the background” shows

[lucid haven]

a very large number of shows dont hit their stride untill end of season 2 early season 3

[oak ivy]

now there is the problem, isnt it?

[lucid haven]

especially for longer properties

[molten jetty]

Yeah. It got really unlucky.

[winged mountain]

the problem with highly serialized series is that you don't get to have a bad first season anymore. If your first season is bad, people will stop watching and your days are numbered

it's not like the old days where people can say 'just start watching with season 3'

[minor ledge]

thats fine for serialized shows but not for long term plot shows

[crimson kelp]

Aside: Anyone know what's up with my discord not registering that I'm in this channel, this is driving me crazy, especially because it isn't clearing pings when people reply to me

[lucid haven]

turn it off and on again then right click and mark as read

[ionic lily]

Discord things

[minor ledge]

i cant use #1404497733108236318 because it always pops me into september when i click ont oit

[topaz oyster]

I was specifically minded to give it a second chance because I thought there was a spark and I knew they'd had significant production woes

[oak ivy]

honestly i dont think wot's magic or lore is complex at all, and the show made some simplifications to that as well

[molten jetty]

I agree. Which is telling, no?

[ivory night]

And when amazon spends a billion on production because they’re trying to replicate the success of thrones it creates problems

[oak ivy]

you wave your hands and make magic happen is the functional knowledge you need to understand wot

wot's biggest sin was rings of power lmao

[lucid haven]

yepppers, this is the big problem for where we are at in the current late stage capitolistic production of media which we all are in

[molten jetty]

Something like Stormlight Archive wouldn’t work because of how much info there is. If people are just turning shows on in the back while they scroll TikTok, complexity is bad.

[crimson kelp]

yeah amazon was making 2 shows for the same niche and threw insane money at the other show

[lucid haven]

things have gotten to a point writers are getting worse because we cant fail at all and shows cant fail or be kinda mid for a season or two with out being canceled

[winged mountain]

honestly the main reason WOT got a season 3 is because they were trying to give it a vote of confidence to boost season 2's performance. If they didn't renew the show before season 2 they might not have renewed it after

[cold sequoia]

Also iirc there's contract/union stuff which makes renewing up to S3 cheaper in a relative sense than going to S4

[minor ledge]

wasnt ring of power kinda screwed by rights shenagians

[molten jetty]

Yes-ish

[cold sequoia]

Well yeah but Amazon chose to adapt it anyway

[crimson kelp]

rop is weird and bad and I just don't get how it costs as much as it does 🤷

[winged mountain]

not really shenangians but they're only allowed to adapt material that's in LOTR, if it's not in LOTR they can't reference other works

[ivory night]

Streaming wars turned television production into tech style search massive instant growth and uh yeah that’s not how tv works

[molten jetty]

amazon knew they couldn’t do the Silmarillion but made the show anyway and even still made a mid show

[cold sequoia]

It's not like they put billions of dollars into adapting the Silmarillion before learning they didn't have the rights to it

[minor ledge]

wish holllywood did more original fantasy

[molten jetty]

We need a show like Merlin to reignite public interest in fantasy

[topaz oyster]

I do think Stormlight has the advantage of being specifically good at managing dropping lore in scenes that are doing double duty or even triple duty on character work and/or plot. The problem is that that makes most scenes actually difficult to cut

[minor ledge]

merlin wouldnt be popular with the general public lmao

[molten jetty]

But for people that are on a second screen, is that enough?

[oak ivy]

you can also greatly simplify stormlight mechanics and lore by just not getting into the details

how the surges work doesnt matter at all

[cold sequoia]

NO NO NO. WE NEED THE 10 BODY FOCUSES

[lucid haven]

i just HATE the destruction of the being a low level player in a company for a few years to start failing and then learning. SO SO SO Many industries are destroying their "apprenticeship programs" for want of a better word so institutional knowledge is disappearing at an alarming rate.

[topaz oyster]

I mean I think if you're adapting Stormlight you're probably not looking for second screen slop

[molten jetty]

But this is fundamentally what is getting renewed and getting popular on streaming services

[topaz oyster]

(I think a large part of Netflix' problem with new shows is overvaluing second screen as a market anyway)

[molten jetty]

That is where the demand is

[topaz oyster]

That's where Netflix specifically thinks the demand is

[ivory night]

The studios trying to kill the writers room and development of more writers is a very obvious case of killing the golden goose

They all think we’ll just take in whatever slop they produce

[oak ivy]

i think any second of screen time in a stormlight adapation spent explaining the precise mechanics of adhesion or whatever instead of developing characters would just be a mistake

[crimson kelp]

I do think second screen content generates idk whatever metric like "viewership hours" or whatever. But I also think that there is a strong desire and market for "good tv" that people sit down and watch as a main focus.

[topaz oyster]

I don't know that I've ever heard any of the other studios make any kind of deal out of second screen and you can tell that at least AppleTV is so far from looking for second screen

[molten jetty]

(And are they wrong?)

[ivory night]

Yes!

[cold sequoia]

This is the true use case of the WiiU

[minor ledge]

I mean a lot of the big big shows of the last decade have not been secodn screen shows

[gritty sierra]

the thing about a stormlight adaptation is that a good screen adaptation would not lead to mechanics talk

[crimson kelp]

Like I watch a lot of second screen content, but it's all old serialised shows with like 100+++ episodes

[lucid haven]

second screen content is podcasts not tv shows i wish tv shows could carve out their own market and not try to be a second screen content farm

[ionic lily]

podcasts isnt screen content

[topaz oyster]

Much of the best explanation of mechanics in Stormlight isn't done expositionally anyway

[lucid haven]

i mean screen or not its "second thing" content

[crimson kelp]

I have no interest in whatching new stuff that's merely mid and isn't designed for me to be actively watching it

[ivory night]

Especially since television is so heavily a medium that leans on character dev

[lucid haven]

i view podcasts as second screen cause most are recorded videos or video essasys or other stuff

[minor ledge]

im shocked noones tried to be the next big comedy

tbh

[lucid haven]

wihle still being podcasts

[molten jetty]

Maybe for you, but I’m talking strictly like 60% of society here, not people in nerdy spheres who are devoted to content

[oak ivy]

the main thing i want from a stormlight series would be to actually build out character dynamics and tension

[minor ledge]

People love podcasts what do you mean

[oak ivy]

they can say the source of stormligh is adonalisum farts for all i care

[cold sequoia]

Second screen content doesnt need to be visual
Its content you consume while on another screen

[lucid haven]

nah but thats the thing, netflix and others are trying to pull in that market because "second thing" is becomming a larger and larger market for gen pop

[minor ledge]

my main background show while im doing my job is just parks and rec tbh

[molten jetty]

I’m saying I don’t consider podcasts second screen content. I consider reality shows and fireman drama and such second screen.

[cold sequoia]

Listening to a podcast while playing a video game makes the podcast second screen content

[ionic lily]

I mean, then it would just be 1 screen, so couldnt really be second screen

[lucid haven]

[cold sequoia]

The screen refers to distinct media, you can have second screen content with a single monitor

[lucid haven]

screen or no screen the term "second screen" refers to listening to sometihng or watching something in the background while doing other things

[molten jetty]

And that’s my point. Fantasy is a dying genre because it cannot pull the same numbers in a world where the interest lies elsewhere. They want the next Game of Thrones, but the TikTokification of people’s attention spans has led media away from that.

[cold sequoia]

A better term is probably something like "background content"

[minor ledge]

its like the office if it was good

[cold sequoia]

Second screen is just an industry term to make it more market friendly

[topaz oyster]

I am disinclined to believe this, given what shows do take off

Like, Severance is horrendous second screen content but is very popular regardless

[lucid haven]

i just dont agree that leanining into second screen market is nessiccary for tv shows and movies to succeed. If anytihng the rise of the second screen market demands that tv shows and movies shy away from being second screens and pull you in kfurther to pay attention to them rather than your second screen

[topaz oyster]

Not watching Slow Horses on a second screen either

[minor ledge]

AppleTVs shiws have been very popular and they dont produce second screen shows

I need to watch pluribus

speaking of

[ivory night]

Not actually watching such a beautifully shot and blocked show would be so sad

[molten jetty]

I hope you are right because I do want quality fantasy content

[cold sequoia]

The main thing that streamers mean when they ask creatives to make it more second screen is they want people to be able to tune out to focus on other stuff for a little bit without feeling the need to stop playing the thing

[ivory night]

Also shogun being popular despite requiring near constant reading of subtitles

[minor ledge]

Shogun was so great

[lucid haven]

theres also a reason hank greens app where you put your phone down for a time and do other things instead of look at your phone is super popular

[topaz oyster]

I don't think being bad at second screen content is why funding for fantasy shows is drying up, I think fantasy shows pandering to second screen and being generally bad is why funding for fantasy shows is drying up

[minor ledge]

I want more shows like shogun

[topaz oyster]

Blame The Witcher and Rings of Power, not TikTok

[gritty sierra]

i feel like i've found myself in a space where twitch and youtube are my second screen content, but if i'm watching a tv show... it needs to be good enough to put more attention to it, otherwise i don't even bother

[crimson kelp]

I think it's actually very hard to make a new "second screen" thing. One of the main draws to me when selecting something to background watch is that it's gonna last me a while to have the same voices and plots and whatnot going on. If some streaming service puts out 8 episodes of a show it better be worth me putting 100% of my attention on it because that ain't enough content to get on to my second screen.

[gritty sierra]

tv shows theoretically have the MONEY, they have the production value and writing teams and all that, in theory

[ivory night]

If I’m watching a scripted show my attention is different than if I’m watching unscripted

[crimson kelp]

heh kinda hitting the same point Grey 🙂

[minor ledge]

smthn like shogun but in the chinese warlord period would be great

[crimson kelp]

I also go to youtube and twitch a lot for my background noise

[gritty sierra]

cause if i can feel that a ... i forget the word even, god, production company, publication company for tv shows - don't care to put their resources behind a show, we can tell????? and i will not care

[cold sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-laugh-bye-meme-gif-12409002

[lucid haven]

i have a single core processor most of the time so i kinda need to be doing something mindless if im listening to a podcast or watching the tictoks or something i cannot watch a tv show and do something on my phone or ill just not be able to know whats going on

like for instance its the main reason i cant get into crit role

b ecause i need to watch i need it to have my full attention

[ivory night]

Also big streamer/studio execs wanting second screen stuff doesn’t hold much value to me given their constant misunderstandings of what audiences want

[minor ledge]

Theyd bungle it so hard though lmao

[topaz oyster]

Even that Jason Momoa show that was trying to be Hawaiian Shogun was like, okay this is more Vikings quality than Shogun quality, but the best things it has to offer are these fantastic shots of Hawaii itself and if you aren't watching it then what are we doing here

[molten jetty]

But we aren’t indicative of audiences

At least not the audiences they want to draw in

[topaz oyster]

I think we're more indicative than anyone involved in the decision making around Rings of Power

[ivory night]

I mean I could’ve told him that spending a bunch of money rebranding hbo 3 times was stupid as hell

[winged mountain]

I don't think any customer wants to watch a show that overtly tells you 'hey we don't expect you to pay attention to us, we're just background noise', but that doesn't mean it isn't what they want

[burnt shale]

Man I wish they just cut the Galadriel plot from rings it would be so much better

[winged mountain]

you might want something without wanting to admit it

[molten jetty]

Isn’t she like the mc

[ivory night]

Or that they all learned the wrong lessons from game of thrones

[burnt shale]

In theory she was supposed to be. In practice none are really the mc.

[ivory night]

Or that producing a season of 8 episodes ever 3-4 years is a terrible way to do television

[gritty sierra]

this is an era where i've been like, "damn, i barely watch any tv anymore, just a couple shows" and then mostly my youtube subs have been a better use of my time and i don't have to spend money on it, either. i've gotten to like, The Greatest Hits of this era but.... i've re-watched a lot in the last few years. like, i went and watched M*A*S*H . and then i rewatched it over a lot of other things, like, idk

[topaz oyster]

It isn't about pride as a consumer, its about better alternatives to "not really paying that much attention" type of content existing

[minor ledge]

also theyre targeting second screen style content badly

tbh

like what sitcoms are coming out

Southpark and the simpsons???

[lucid haven]

yeah if they wanna give us second screen stuff give us sitcoms

[crimson kelp]

feel like how badly HIMYM ended bombed interest in sitcoms

[lucid haven]

also southpark is and has always been, political and cultural satire not sitcom

[winged mountain]

they do make them, but people just don't click on them on streaming services for whatever reason

[topaz oyster]

Why would I watch The Witcher, which both 1) can't decide if it wants my direct attention or not, and 2) is bad, when I could watch some YT personality I enjoy play a game I'm already familiar with in that way

[crimson kelp]

like, from a "let's fund new sitcoms" angle not an actual customer interest angle

[minor ledge]

ehhh

[cold sequoia]

they don't overtly do this
Shows that are pushed to be more second screen will often do so by doing stuff like

• change add dialogue to make the show more tell and less show
• repeat important plot points when they become relevant rather than trusting the viewer to remember
• generally simplify the story

[ivory night]

When nobody knows if a new season comes out

[topaz oyster]

I also think the world is different than when sitcoms were popular

[minor ledge]

a lot of sitcoms got a big second life after 2014 with streaming

[lucid haven]

the sitcomes they are funding right now are things like "hey do you memba that 70's show well ehres that 90's show" or " did you like how i met your mother, heres how i met your father with someone you liked as a kid in this show you found her attractive when you were younger, you find her attractive now please watch our show please please please"

[topaz oyster]

Existing sitcoms got a second life as comfort food for people who'd already watched them, largely

[cold sequoia]

the sitcoms that are getting funded on network tv hasn't really changed that much afaik

[minor ledge]

Ehhhh

[lucid haven]

or "did you like big bang theory well heres a trashy sitcome about one of the characters you laughed at lots"

[crimson kelp]

also the current TV creation model is to spend a lot making 8-12 episodes, whereas older sitcoms from american networks (and other legacy shows like procedurals) tended to make like 20+ episodes cheaply which gives a lot more room to breathe

[ivory night]

They still exist I just don’t watch them

[cold sequoia]

stuff like Abbott Elementary would still have been made the exact same way in 2010

[minor ledge]

office US was a lot bigger in streaming when it was airing tbh

[ivory night]

Ehhhhhhhhhh

That show was real popular airing

[minor ledge]

tbf young sheldon is decent

[lucid haven]

yes give me the actual 20 epp seasons not these 8 to 10 hour "movies"

well i wasnt talking about young sheldon

[burnt shale]

It has 5 plotlines and she’s the face of 1 of them and was intended as the face of the show but her plot is like clearly the worst imo

[winged mountain]

I understand. The point is more that when people say 'executives are out of touch for wanting to make second-screen content', I'm mostly just saying 'nobody will say in public that's what they make. Nobody will say in public that's what they want. And yet, here we are'.

[minor ledge]

Its a lot better than the original big bang theory

[lucid haven]

i was talking about the spin off show of young sheldon

george and mandies 1st wedding is straight trash

also i think theres something to be said about culture moving past things like big bang theory and how i met your mother

but then exec's not catching up

[minor ledge]

theres a young sheldon spinoff

TIL

[lucid haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgie_%26_Mandy's_First_Marriage

[ivory night]

The shows made for network tv are also tailored a bit more to who still watches network tv

[minor ledge]

we need a big bang theory spinoff where sheldon gets involved in the mafia

smh

[lucid haven]

i just dont think we need more spin offs of big bang theory or how i met your mother

i think those shows can go back to the time period where they belong

[minor ledge]

oh i agree i was joking

[cold sequoia]

sitcoms that are spin offs of popular sitcoms has been a thing for decades, it's one of the few things in the modern media landscape that's unchanged

[molten jetty]

It’s like in star wars if you look at what is the most watched show: it’s Kenobi. Why? Because big recognizable character name. Same reason we keep getting live action remakes because they sell.

Spinoffs of popular shows have bigger audience draw unfortunately

[minor ledge]

Kenobi is the most watched star wars show??????

[cold sequoia]

like, Frasier was a spin off of Cheers and I think it had it's own spin offs

[minor ledge]

wouldve thought it was mandalorian

[topaz oyster]

I also think Kenobi poisoned the well for much of what came after by virtue of being very bad

[keen flax]

Fraiser is a spin off of cheers??? Huh, TIL

[ivory night]

Can’t believe we still got andor

[crystal brook]

Whats the viewer retention on Kenobi i wonder

[minor ledge]

idk only star wars show ive watched is andor

[burnt shale]

Idk the companies just need slop to put up on streaming I think you’d be surprised how much slop people consume on streaming. They just want hours to exist on the platform

[crystal brook]

I imagine an extroardinary amount of people watched the first few episodes

[topaz oyster]

I only watched three episodes

Horrendous

[molten jetty]

Sorry it is

[molten jetty]

And it being popular just shows exactly what will sell

[topaz oyster]

What the hell is Acolyte doing being so expensive

[burnt shale]

No one knows

It makes no sense

[molten jetty]

Acolyte was pretty good but a shame it didn’t do well

[keen flax]

Wait is that 672k per episode??????

[ivory night]

-# I have a half cooked hot take that tv would be in better shape if they stopped trying to do movie levels of production value

[topaz oyster]

Cost per minute runtime

[keen flax]

Omg that is INSANE

[burnt shale]

Acolyte screamed they couldn’t kill their darlings

[molten jetty]

Looks like with S2 Andor did better (because of higher episode count giving it more views) https://www.fanthatracks.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/mostpopular_UK_2025.jpg

[crimson kelp]

I have yet to watch Acolyte, I got a bit... burned out? on the star wars disneyverse

any good?

[topaz oyster]

Total popularity as measured by?

[molten jetty]

Acolyte is fine. Solid B-tier. I like it better than Mando, Kenobi, or BoBF

[cold sequoia]

clear that they treated Andor as the halo product to try to get more people into D+

[burnt shale]

6.75/10 7/10 on a good day

[ivory night]

Make cheap ass tv again

[crimson kelp]

Also I feel like a lot of these disney shows seem to be doing things the most expensive way possible

[ivory night]

Bring back the jank

[crimson kelp]

like I think you can have high production values without spending a billion on CGI

[minor ledge]

i only have disney plus because it comes with hulu

[molten jetty]

Seems like online engagement. I’ll try to find strict viewership data.

[topaz oyster]

I actually do like what we have now better than what we had in the 90s/00s

[minor ledge]

cause hulu has some good content

[gritty sierra]

i CANNOT imagine Andor or Severance existing in the world of 2000s tv

[molten jetty]

I mean I disagree solely because I adore the books

[ivory night]

I just want tv shows to be shot in actual sunlight again

[cold sequoia]

there are definitely a lot of problems with streaming but it definitely feels like the frog boiling in water when people see these types of shows being made and treat it as a given

[minor ledge]

2000s had some S tier shows

but 2010s is the best decade for TV sofar imo

[topaz oyster]

I was just gonna say, if I had to deal with a dozen shows with promise killed in their infancy and a whole bunch of garbage shows nobody watched for the odd Severance or Andor (those specific examples ) I'll take that trade every time

[cold sequoia]

like it's incredible the quality that peak TV is can reach nowadays

[ivory night]

Like I am so sick of the marvel/Star Wars grey skies

[crimson kelp]

tbh I've entirely lost track of what came out when. I feel like I remember some good stuff from that era. The 90s was the TNG/DS9 trek era right? That was some good tv. Despite my frustrations with it BSG was very good for most of its run.

[molten jetty]

True. Bring back that color pop.

[minor ledge]

2000s and 2010s is like the golden age of crime drama TV shows

[molten jetty]

🙏

[crimson kelp]

a dozen shows with promise killed in their infancy
So many shows I remain mad about to this day. Stupid tv networks.

[molten jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/merlin-bbc-merlin-magic-colin-morgan-gif-11277533314737762438

[molten jetty]

Wheel of Time is the one I will never be over

[minor ledge]

the wire, fargo s1-3 brba BCS etc

[ivory night]

On top of the show being great a thing I love about slow horses is that it’s actually shot on location and we get so many cool shots that just don’t exist in television anymore.

[burnt shale]

90s and 2000s sci-fi is my favorite era of sci-fi tv by a lot and I don’t think anything other than the expanse has made me feel that way since

[topaz oyster]

Breaking Bad is absolutely the harbinger of the modern way of making TV

[burnt shale]

Can we go back to that

[topaz oyster]

BCS is fully 2010s

[molten jetty]

I don’t like BB

[ionic lily]

In Slow Horses, I actually recognized the neighborhood where I was at the time

[minor ledge]

i said 2000s and 2010s

[crimson kelp]

I'm rewatching Farscape with a friend who's watching it for the first time

so good

[lucid haven]

talking about this as well i really need to confess that firefly is massivly overrated

[ionic lily]

It is

[lucid haven]

you know what IS GOOD SECOND SCREEN ENTERTAINMENT , shows like farscape

[midnight compass]

Okay but it is also good

[lucid haven]

just insane shows that were cooked up with all the drugs

[ivory night]

I wonder how expensive severance is

[cold sequoia]

people who didn't get the Firefly hype before Whedon was canceled

[midnight compass]

Really a shame what happened to Firefly

[cold sequoia]

season 2 was $20 million an episode

[lucid haven]

okay but whedon prodced some qualty things, cabin in the woods for insance is qualtiy

[ivory night]

HOW

[minor ledge]

thats lost

tbh

[ionic lily]

Also Agents of Shield

[lucid haven]

agreeedddd

[cold sequoia]

Lost is the harbinger for the death of network TV being seen as prestige

[ionic lily]

And cant forget Toy Story

[oak ivy]

Severance can only exist on streaming

[topaz oyster]

Lost tried to do TV the modern way but fell apart specifically because of legacy thinking

[oak ivy]

No shot that ever gets made any other way

[minor ledge]

it fell apart because of the writers strike

[topaz oyster]

Agents of SHIELD is also very legacy

[lucid haven]

severance is a modern lost tho in more ways than one

even references lost

[crimson kelp]

Lost created an age of stupid "mystery box" style writing that I despise to my core

[topaz oyster]

Breaking Bad was also hit by the writer's strike

[oak ivy]

It tried to be forward thinking with the tie ins but marvel doesnt coordinate near enough for that to work

[ivory night]

Severance is like 5 interior sets how on earth is it that expensive

[topaz oyster]

As was Andor by the more modern one

[oak ivy]

It was not obvious BB would get a season 5 iirc

[cold sequoia]

cast and hidden CG I imagine

[topaz oyster]

It was intended as a four season show

[minor ledge]

yeah in the worst season of the show

[ivory night]

-# and Vince says the writers strike saved the show

[cold sequoia]

also covid

[minor ledge]

but yeah a lot of the "wouldve happened if not for the writers strike" stuff for breaking bad wouldve been bad they got really lucky when it comes to that tbh

[topaz oyster]

Breaking Bad added much of what is the fourth season as a reaction to ||how good Gus was as a villain, to expand his arc and backstory before killing him off||

The biggest change the writer's strike made to Breaking Bad was keeping Jesse as a core character

[burnt shale]

Some of the worst and best episodes in all of sci-fi I love it. Don’t even like half the characters still amazing

[topaz oyster]

Lost had no plan so when the strike hit they had to put something together on the fly once it was over to get episodes out the door

[ivory night]

Honestly sometimes I think the streamers lose so much money because they budget things like the dril tweet about candles

[minor ledge]

wanst it both jesse and hank

[topaz oyster]

Breaking Bad did have a plan (to include a planned ending) so when the strike happened they refined but did not have to reimagine

[ivory night]

This but instead of candles it’s weird cg and hiring movie stars

[minor ledge]

but jesse is by far the best character of the show and hank is an eh character so who cares about him

[ivory night]

Which ties to my other not so hot take that thrones being on a budget that had hard limits early on forced them to come up with creative solutions other than throw money

[crystal brook]

Severance was filmed creatively with financial freedom

[crimson kelp]

I don't think money is always a problem, but it isn't always a solution, and is often allocated very poorly

[ivory night]

Right but a 200 million dollar season of television that comes out every 3 years for 6-8 weeks isn’t the soundest business practice

[crystal brook]

Apple dont seem to care about making money from apple tv specifically

They spend a lot of money

[ivory night]

Well they sure do love to raise the price of it

[placid river]

I read somewhere that Apple is trying to use Apple TV to get users into their ecosystem to buy other products from them, so it’s not a big deal if they don’t directly make money off of Apple TV

[winged mountain]

that can be true, but even if they don't have to make a ton of money, they can't lose that much either if they're gonna keep doing it

like, they can lose a little as a 'loss leader' to build their other businesses, but that can only go so far

[ivory night]

And also with the amount of consolidation in television/movies a company going hey we don’t want to lose a billion a quarter on streaming could shut down like a quarter of the industry

[civic trellis]

I believe for Apple it's also about building a brand image

consider that most of the real popular Apple TV shows are those ambitious sci-fi epics or high-concept sci-fi

So theoretically, you associate Apple TV with this slick sci-fi -> you associate Apple with slick futurism

[naive mica]

Hey now, don't knock all the effort they put into Rings of Power.

After all, it couldn't have been easy, burying every single vaguely good idea that the writers had with a bunch of awful nonsense.

[ivory night]

Don’t worry there’s still 3 more seasons to go

[verbal lintel]

Always be thankful the LotR trilogy was filmed when it was, and not today
Always

-# he says as the dark lords of Amazon conspire a LotR Trilogy Reboot

[topaz oyster]

I do see what you're saying but I also think it just got filmed sort of outside the normal apparatus of how movies were being made even in its own day

[verbal lintel]

That’s still part of it, and why to be thankful

[frank quail]

yup, jackson getting that much leeway would be much less likely to happen today. Funding was an issue back then, I shudder to think what would have happened now

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x05 ||also "manifest destiny"||

||they're definitely coding him in a certain direction||

[tight dove]

2x05 || thats what i love about vox this season, hes mostly right he just cares more about power than helping people. It just happens helping people gets him the most power||

[distant birch]

2x05 || I do really like what they're doing with vox. He's been really good this season||

[dim hill]

Hazbin 2x5 ||We were ROBBED of a full lucifer metal song. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. (Note: I have not seen anything's from this season beyond the music thus far lol, I have mostly lost interest in the show)||

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x5 ||honestly a Lucifer metal song would be really fun given Adam and lute both had rocky-er songs||

||itd be a fun parallel||

[wise epoch]

Yeah that little bit was such a banger

[dim hill]

||There's already a 10 minute loop version on youtube, that tells you how good it is||

[wise epoch]

Hazbin S2E5. Also S-word

[wise epoch]

||I SEE YOU'RE ACTING UP LIKE YOU WANT TEACHERS ATTENTION
WELL I'M THE PRINCIPAL OF THIS ETERNAL DETENTION||

||He started belting that out and I sat TF up lmao||

[dim hill]

||Jeremy Jordan has NOTES man. He can SING||

[wise epoch]

||I want Lucifer to get a full solo song||

||His only songs he's had so far, he has shared with someone else||

||Granted, there aren't very many solo songs in general, when I think about it.||

||That said, I can't wait for the LilithxLucifer song that is inevitably gonna be in S3||

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x05 ||yknow... on one hand I'm like "ok but how is vox actually meant to take over heaven" but on the other... Based on s1 I don't find it too hard to believe he could||

[wise epoch]

S2 full ||Oh also, I'm almost positive that the Vox problem is solved by Lilith showing up. I can't imagine what could possibly stop this train other than Lilith coming down and going "This guy is absolutely full of it", since he's using Lilith"s ideology as a core aspect of his argument||

[wise epoch]

||I thought that too, when they sung "Once We Get Up There", everyone was memeing on them for actually thinking it was possible. But now that he's rallying literally all of the Sinners except for like five people, that becomes a lot less funny||

[tight dove]

||Hail Vox Populi the people’s voice||

[distant birch]

2x05 ||i suppose the big thing for me is if they can get angelic weapons. Because the much smaller s1 crew held off the exorcist army with them and little training, so I can't imagine what all of hell would do||

[wise epoch]

S2E6 ||I mean, we literally see Vox to to Carmilla to get Angelic weapons so||

[distant birch]

I've not watched 2x06 yet

2x05 ||I do find it funny how hypocritical Al is with regard to vox. To me, Alastor feels like he's relying on others far more than Vox||

||like, not only does all of Al's power seem to come from Rosie, he also doesn't even seem to really have schemes of his own anymore, while Vox is very much leading the Vs and doing a lot of the spinning stuff himself||

[wise epoch]

||tbh Al is mostly rocking the boat I think, making the other Vees feel unappreciated so they don't help him when he needs it||

[distant birch]

||oh 100%. That and tryna make Vox more insecure||

||but I wouldn't be surprised if maaaaybe Al's drawing these taunts from a personal place||

[west escarp]

so here's the thing

[wise epoch]

||To be fair, Alastor also WANTS to be independent. He made the deal with Rosie so he could continue his killing spree, and now she's holding him back and he wants free.||

[distant birch]

||that's what I mean :p||

[wise epoch]

||Unlike Vox, who actively seeks out people to be by his side||

[distant birch]

||if alastor is projecting some of his issues with feeling like he's forced to work with others and stuff onto Vox||

||and maybe projecting some of his angst about the deal with Rosie into all of the "you'd be powerless without them" taunts||

[wise epoch]

Fair

[distant birch]

||he wants to be independent but is stuck unable to be, and that might be (even just subconsciously) driving him to look down more on Vox looking for help||

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x06 ||its kind of funny how much the hotel is starting to fall apart||

||honestly carmilla also kind of has a point||

[distant birch]

||WHAT?||

||wow this is going crazy||

||how are they even gonna deal with this||

[wise epoch]

What is this in reaction to

[distant birch]

2x06 || the angel spy situation||

||vox is actually on another level, man||

[wise epoch]

Thats what I figured

I only wish that ||they had established that Vox could do that sooner||

As far as I remember, that wasn't established until earlier in episode 6

[distant birch]

||I mean, I feel like they did?||

||maybe not to this same level of control but I feel like he's had the hypnosis thing since s1||

[wise epoch]

Has he?

I don't recall it if so

If he did then ignore me

[distant birch]

||i don't think we've seen him control anyone but I believe we've seen the hypnosis effect show up in people's eyes when/after watching/interacting with him before||

||I want to say there was a s1 scene where one of his ads hypnotised a crowd but I don't remember when/for sure||

[wise epoch]

Uhuh I might vaguely remember smth like that

[distant birch]

S2 gen ||I'll be interested to see how they even follow up vox in s3. He's had such presence that I feel like they might be better off turning the focus to the hotel crew more rather than tryna match him||

||vox feels like he's just on another level compared to everyone else||

[wise epoch]

||To be fair I don't even know what other villain candidates we have other than Alastor himself. Rosie doesn't seem like she's antagonistic, Lute is definitely toast this season, and the only other possibility I can think of is Lilith. I doubt we'll have another Heaven villain after Lute is dealt with because I think the only way to escalate is to go Jesus, and I don't think they'd depict him as a villain for numerous reasons, or God himself, and they already said God wasn't gonna be a character and the Voice of God makes it clear that God isn't evil||

||And I doubt Lilith will be a villain, that's just the only other possibility I can think of other than Alastor||

||I definitely think we are setting up for Alastor to break Rosie's control and immediately start going on a murder spree again||

||I do wonder about the fate of the other two Vees after this. I'm thinking Alastor probably kills Vox, but I wonder where Velvette and Valentino will end up when they inevitably betray Vox||

[distant birch]

||I don't think they'll do it, but it would be interesting if one went to the hotel||

[wise epoch]

||Velvette seems the most redeemable of the lot, mostly because she hasn't done much||

[distant birch]

||it'll be a shame if lute is done this season. I wish she'd get a bit more screen time first. Lilith I think might work maybe a villain for half a season or so, but I agree that she probably wouldn't really work overall||

[wise epoch]

||I think Vox has gone too far and is too set up to die, and Valentino is Valentino lmao||

[distant birch]

||though she is still very complicit with everything they're doing at least. So it'd still be a lot more challenging than anyone else||

[wise epoch]

||Sure, but she has done the least herself||

[distant birch]

||I find the idea of redeeming a V to be an interesting thing to explore, because it really challenges the "anyone can be redeemed" idea. But I just don't know if they'll do that||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah Lute's role is unfortunate. She got her badass song, and then nothing until presumably the season finale where she tries to kill Charlie and gets smacked down||

[distant birch]

S2 gen ||genuinely if Al is the s3 villain he's going to seriously need some big moments for me to totally... feel intimidated by him. But looking at what they did with Vox, I'm sure they could pull it off||

[distant birch]

||I feel like we would've gotten a lot more lute if the heaven plotline was larger||

||but I don't mind them cutting that down for the sake of the main story. Just feels like there's maybe some missed potential there||

[wise epoch]

||I've been pretty convinced for a while now that Charlie is right that anyone CAN be redeemed, but it takes a certain about of desire for them to actually be redeemed. That's why Adam died, that's why Vox is gonna die. They don't WANT redemption.||

||Cuz obviously you can't force redemption on an unrepentant, self-righteous murderer who refuses to admit that he was wrong||

||Sera is redeemable because she's shown doubts about her path and can admit she was wrong. Lute is not redeemable because she refuses to admit that what happened to Adam was his own fault, because she passes the blame.to everyone in Hell for what happened||

||I do wonder if Charlie will have to come to terms with that||

[distant birch]

||I do hope Charlie ends up... I guess acknowledging some of the good points the antagonists of this season have||

[wise epoch]

||Al has a certain amount of inherent aura. They had to work harder with Vox to make us take him seriously. With Alastor, he's already a threat. Even his loss to Vox still feels like a win for him cuz he obviously planned it, and he's not a fraction as strong as he could be.||

[distant birch]

||like some of the "why do you want to go to heaven when heaven wants to kill us" and some of Vox's stuff from the rally||

[wise epoch]

||I think that Alastor will end up actually defeating and possibly killing Lucifer to establish what a threat he is. He is beelining for Lucifer the SECOND he is free||

[distant birch]

||obviously, especially with Vox, it's not all right but I do think there is a side to the situation that Charlie is glossing over a little||

[distant birch]

||I just dunno how Al could even match Lucifer given what happened in the s1 finale||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah Charlie is mostly focusing on the lies that Vox is telling, and that is probably coloring her perception. But Vox definitely does make a good argument||

[distant birch]

||he does... but it's kind of been wearing off for me. I think partially a product of just the wait between seasons meaning I've forgotten some stuff, but his on-screen stuff has made a lot more of an impression on me than his words, and he's mainly only lost on screen at the moment||

[wise epoch]

Fair. ||I was gonna say "Well Alastor is weakened", but Rosie was in accord. She wants to save the hotel MORE than Alastor does frankly, so I doubt she would have restricted him||

[distant birch]

||it's definitely not unrecoverable, id probably just need a few actual substantial wins for him at some point because right now it feels like he's consistently losing to everyone around him||

[wise epoch]

||I would call Adam his only clean loss||

[inland jetty]

Probably wise to put some labels on these tags, the most specific for quite a while is just "season 2"

[distant birch]

Hazbin s2 ||That's fair. Just the combination of him losing to Adam, moping a lot, being owned by rosie, losing (probably on purpose) to vox & Co.||

[wise epoch]

||His loss to the Vees doesn't count because he is weakened, was fighting 3v1 for half of it, and he threw on purpose for some undefined reason|| Hazbin S2

[distant birch]

||like, I'll probably be fine once we actually see his plan pay off, but right now he's not feeling as intimidating for me||

||I wouldn't be shocked if his streak of losses this season is to really build up his rise once he's free of all these conditions though||

[wise epoch]

||They managed to make Vox a credible threat, and the man has been a joke the whole series until S2E5||

||I think they can manage to make Alastor feel threatening lmao||

[wise epoch]

Friend made me watch Wicked. T'was good. ||Movie did a terrible job convincing me that Glinda and Elpheba were in any way heretosexual. I'm 99% certain that Elpheba's death is fake, because there's been no indication that water hurts her in this movie and I'm pretty sure she just faked her death.||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2E5 ||So anyone else team vox now or what||

[distant birch]

2x05 ||I've kind of been leaning Vox since the trailer 😅 ||

||but like, the episode didn't help me not be||

[ionic lily]

10

[distant birch]

Wha?

...oh

[main dew]

Hazbin S2E6 ||Okay so story wise episode 5 was great but everything else felt like it was an episode that was suffering budget wise. I noticed way more still characters in the background of musical shots and in general the animation felt a bit stiff and rough with the exception of vox's rally. What also suffered was I didn't like any of the songs? Bad like us was legit not enjoyable to listen to and Vox Populi feels like 3 songs that could have been good mashed together with dialogue in between and I legit dont like vox dei. On the other hand, Episode 6 might be my favourite of the season so far? The songs were great and chaggies argument and make up were really well done and I really enjoyed||

||Also episode 6 contained the scene where Vel and Al turn around in their chairs to roast vox (hilarious) and "I'M FROM FLORIDA" which got a big laugh from me. Honestly was worried Vees weren't strong enough to be main villains but not only is Vox doing a great job, Vel has become another favourite of mine (I keep thinking of when she grabbed the poll results from her stream and turned it into a bow and how dope that was). Val still feels the weakest of the three but I don't mind that, I still enjoy him as a villain||

[dusk hound]

Oh we have never been more back in the history of back https://fxtwitter.com/falloutonprime/status/1988985205160616169?s=46

FALLOUT⚡️ (@falloutonprime)

Let the end times roll. Cue the official trailer now, and Season Two premiere on December 17.

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FxTwitter · Nov 13, 2025, 3:00 PM

[dusk hound]

Fallout: New Vegas ||I wonder if this means that the House ending is canon?||

[topaz oyster]

||The house always wins||

[dusk hound]

||Now I can feel validated for choosing the House ending on my first playthrough of NV ||

[oak ivy]

We back

[celest mango]

I thought the same thing, had to go back and doublecheck

Oh I see that message was old

Silly Discord

[dusk hound]

AND ITHACAS WAITINGGGGGGGGG https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1989031308668911749?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

Matt Damon as Odysseus in Christopher Nolan’s ‘THE ODYSSEY’

(Source: https://t.co/OyWGBiyJbV)

X · Nov 13, 2025, 6:03 PM

0/10 movie if Odysseus doesn’t sing

[azure fern]

does he sing a lot in the myth?

[topaz oyster]

No

But also I don't expect that they'll shove the whole ass Odyssey in two hours, they're gonna do something weird with it

Jury is out on weird (highly) or weird (lowly)

[dusk hound]

It’s an Epic: The Musical reference

It’s a musical adaptation of The Odyssey

It was pretty popular in this server when it was releasing

[azure fern]

ok, I figured that had to be an Epic reference xD

yeah, I was about a year and a half late to the party

[cobalt onyx]

They'll just speed run it, each event gets 5-10 minutes

I feel like if they just take a machete to the plot, there are like 4 "mandatory" events; Polyphemus, the Sirens, Circe, and Ithaca

But this is Hollywood and Mythology, they'll probably scrap the whole thing and steal from someone else's story

[azure fern]

I think cutting the Underworld would be pretty lame. Underworld is big pog

[cobalt onyx]

Most of it is great, but those are the 4 that everyone knows

[topaz oyster]

I do actually think the Underworld is mandatory, Odysseus is one of notably few mythic figures to go to the Underworld as a living being and of them he probably comes off it the best

[forest wigeon]

The real question is why they're making a movie about Nobody

[azure fern]

the Underworld is also a pretty good set up for Ithaca, specially the Agamemnom conversation

[topaz oyster]

I do also think Scylla and Charibdis films well if nothing else

[azure fern]

oh yeah, big spectacle, if not too plot relevant

[cobalt onyx]

Ooh, big thought; they should withhold Polyphemus for a potential side story sequel of a Roman retelling. They can call it:
Finding Nemo

I agree the Underworld is important, but I think if they were doing that they'd want to do the Trojan War first

[sonic trench]

I’m hoping it includes Nausicaä, tons of adaptations cut that part out

[topaz oyster]

I'd say that is an easy thing to cut but it also plays to Nolan's fixation with jumping around in time

I expect the 10 year timeline is gonna be very heavily played with as well

[west escarp]

0/10 no boar tooth helmet

The Odyssey is 90% frame story of Weary Odysseus telling Nausicaa his story, then 10% him finally going home

[cobalt onyx]

So you're saying Circe gets glossed over as "A nice lady with a swine ranch"

[molten jetty]

Nobody. Nobody. Nooooooooobody.

[minor ledge]

is ||NCR still dead||

Fallout s1

eh i dont care about nevada lore like i do cali lore so the lore dumbassery wont anger me

[wise epoch]

||HAIL VOX POPULI, THE PEOPLE'S VOICE||

[wise epoch]

||What did you not like about the songs? Particularly Vox Dei||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2E5 ||I don't like songs that are really bitty? Like jump around lots of different styles quickly. They're not songs at that point, just a bunch of small snippets of songs that are just.... Together. Vox populi has this issue but at least the two big sections would make good songs themselves if extended imo. Vox dei is harder to explain because I have no knowledge of musical theory at all and lack the correct vocabulary or understanding to properly express why I dislike it, but the first two lines sound really forced? Like, he's trying really hard to say/sing that first line to match up with the music because the words don't really work as lyrics. Once it gets going it's fine but it feels like the end of a song, where it would probably work closer to vox populi (since I guess that's what it's supposed to ending?). I've heard some people say that it would have been better if Lucifers song was with vox dei instead of vox populi and I think I agree? But also not sure because I have no idea what that'd sound like 😅 basically boils down to "doesn't feel good in my ears"||

||Also the lyrics being a bit clunky is something I feel like has happened a few times but those first two lines of vox dei really stand out as feeling forced||

[dusk hound]

Bang. https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1989078592354169253?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

Brainiac will be the villain in ‘MAN OF TOMORROW’

In theaters on July 9, 2027.

(Source: https://t.co/QVOxUvSmGr)

X · Nov 13, 2025, 9:11 PM

[minor ledge]

Called it

[wise epoch]

||I think people say that Lucifer's bit would work better with Vox Dei because Vox Dei is a reprise of Lucifer's bit.||

||The only part that stands out to me in Vox Dei is the holy war bit, but it might be on purpose? Cuz you could make the holy war flow into the song better, just make it more melodic, end the "war" in an extended singing manner. But Vox is making a statement, he cuts off "holy war!" sharply, so it might be intentional||

[forest wigeon]

Least surprising reveal

[dusk hound]

Literally

I think everyone and their mother expected this

[forest wigeon]

Well, everyone who pays attention to things like this

[wise epoch]

||In terms of how the songs are sung thematically. Lucifer's bit is him coming in and planning to lay a verbal smackdown, but then Vox takes control and completely changes the song, turning it into his own thing. And then when Vox Deincomes around, he steals Lucifer's melody because now he is proclaiming himself as the king of hell||

[dusk hound]

Which is basically just me and my niche internet circle

[dusk hound]

Will we be seeing Brainiacs monkey companion Koko

Koko should be the main villain

[civic trellis]

koko seems to be questioning their life choices

this is a very good "hide the pain" face

[dusk hound]

Tbf if I had to be Brainiac’s pet monkey I wouldn’t be happy either

That man is bonafide evil

[minor ledge]

watched the fallout s2 trailer

||Ghoul kings 😭 ||

What

?

||NCR NCR NCR||

WHAT

NCR

hell yea

but its still west coast style brotherhood so ewwww

[west escarp]

Bottle City of Kandor please, James Gunn

[dusk hound]

Metropolis residents wondering why there’s suddenly a big bald green guy in the sky looking at them:

[minor ledge]

do the lego batman 3 plot

duh

so it ties into lanterns and introduce DCU batman

[dusk hound]

He’s too old now but he would have made a great Brainiac in his prime

I have a vision chat

[naive mica]

When did Matt Smith get so hot?

[lucid haven]

Always ?

[naive mica]

I mean sure but

he's like way hotter in the above picture than he was in Doctor Who

Not saying he wasn't hot in DW

Just that he's now more

[gritty sierra]

what a good photographer/makeup artist can do

[heavy anchor]

Okay unironically peak

Loved that game

[paper hull]

Probably just the stubble and the fit.

[cold sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-smith-morbius-dance-gif-25858226

[heavy anchor]

Taskmaster series 20 e10 ||holy crap a SERIES TRIPLE TIE BREAK
Aaaand the tie break task is the most weak sauce task ever I would expect nothing less||

[distant birch]

The one scene I remember from that movie

[naive mica]

The stubble really looks amazing on him

[west escarp]

The Penny Plunderer, one of the most obscure Batman villains of all time, has been defeated at last!!! His reign of terror ends forever!!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/Living/penny-short-us-mints-final-1-cent-coins/story?id=127465330

[pine flicker]

New NF album 😎

[distant birch]

Is that out?!

[steep bramble]

Now you’re making me wonder if Ilia will try to use a new song of theirs for the gala at the Grand Prix final.

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x05 || 😅 the official singalong lyric video has the fuhrer/furor word censored so I think its actually the former||

||although I'm now hearing that that might be a mistake||

[wise epoch]

||I think the official subs said Furor||

[distant birch]

||Apparently Sam Haft(?) said the lyric video made a mistake||

||Suppose they just misheard||

[wise epoch]

||It is a fairly understandable mistake||

||Plus, I mean. That word choice has to be intentional||

[distant birch]

||given some of the other allusions... I assume the similarity was on purpose||

[wise epoch]

||Like yeah. They are definitely making that allusion.||

||They wouldn't have chosen specifically the word "furor" if they didn't want people to think it was "Furher"||

[distant birch]

||I like the idea as well of it being sort of a one-step removed allusion, because I feel like they've consistently been doing like... Vox isn't quoting the thing, but you see what it's meant to reference, and I like that they aren't breaking that by having him outright use the Fuhrer term||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah, they're clearly trying to make it clear that he's wants to be a dictator, and this is a subtle way of indicating that||

||Next to all of the. Far more blatant ways they indicate it lmao||

||I mean, I say subtle, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone think that he didn't say "Furher"||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2E5||At this point, we should just let him call himself the fuhrer and be done with it. He's literally the villain proclaiming how evil he is, why wouldn't that be a line he crosses||

[distant birch]

Mostly unrelated hazbin s2x5 thought ||yknow, if lilith actually did believe in non-violent protest, it'll be a fun little arc that the actions taken by heaven to prevent a hellish uprising were exactly what led to a one||

||because the exterminations prompted the resistance which Vox just kept up the momentum of||

[merry heath]

Plurbius 1.3 ||Really love how liminal everything looks!||

[lucid haven]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTM3BXG8j/ this had me laughing this morning

[west escarp]

Happily Partially Muscled Skeleton by the Perimeter Fence Day

[dusk hound]

When they recreate this cover for a Man of Tomorrow poster >>>>>>>>>>

[frail mulch]

Started Pluribus and EP 1 ||oh no the disdainful genre author||

[cold sequoia]

https://x.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1989419955771863329

The Hollywood Handle (@HollywoodHandle)

A ‘LABUBU’ movie is officially in the works at Sony.

(Via: https://t.co/MZgQMoEDdn)

X · Nov 14, 2025, 7:47 PM

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-labubu-stare-northern-lion-northernlion-feastable-gif-14843648002278670019

[inland jetty]

No.

[burnt shale]

Is that what a labubu is?

[verbal lintel]

One type
They are all equally dumb looking

[turbid narwhal]

Watching the Michael bay skibidi toilet movie and Labubu movie in one sitting

[civic trellis]

are labubus still popular, even? 🤔

[west escarp]

No

They’ve started flooding goodwills

[cobalt onyx]

Stage 2 of the Labubu Invasion Plan begins!

[frail mulch]

Oh, the Pluribus premise is delightful; I'm glad I went in blind

[lucid haven]

i love it and its unique enough to be really thought provoking for me

cause im asking my self what would i do in that situation

plubrius 1 and 2 ( i havent seen 3 ) || i love how i would just be asking so many questions about poeple in my past and science things and conspirisy stuff. I WOULD spend so much time asking the hivemind questions, i also know i might end up endulging in things a bit much on the food/experiences side of things if i was in this position||

[winged mountain]

Pluribus ||honestly, I don't know if I'd be happy about joining the collective, but I don't think I'd put up much of a fight over it in that situation? I'd probably be resigned to it like the woman who just wanted to join her family... Maybe if someone had a viable way to reverse it, but I can't see the hope from where Carol is standing? And I kinda imagine a possible end of the series is, Carol finds a way to reverse it, but all of humanity hates her for taking that bliss away from them||

[lucid haven]

i could see that ending i could also see the other where || the hivemind cant figgure out how to "fix them" and carol cant figgure out how to reverse it||

i think since they are aiming at a few seasons that we wont get your resolution in the 1st season

[winged mountain]

oh certainly, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of game changer in the finale, I think most of this season is just gonna be exploring the premise

[lucid haven]

agreed

[cobalt onyx]

Suddenly, <prominent piece of the set> cracks open, revealing Sam Reich behind a podium

[lucid haven]

https://tenor.com/view/game-changer-dropout-sam-reich-ive-been-here-the-whole-time-gif-25231055

plubrius || would be interesting if this wasnt just "tech" but an invasion plan to get the planet ready for some kind of aliens or something else going on. Im sus about the oigins of the "virus"||

[frank quail]

Pluribus + ||Sense8|| ||I wonder how many parallels can be drawn between these two other than the obvious inverse of protagonists||

[frank quail]

||It's just a signal from lightyears away encoding a protein perfectly compatible with our biology. What's to be sus about?||

Pluribus S1E3 ||Carol is performing my least favourite Scifi character trope. Refusing to comprehend the situation ||

[lucid haven]

Exactly

[frank quail]

Pluribus S1E3 ||Her reaction to the whole Helen thing is perfectly understandable. But the apparatus of society fundamentally doesn't exist anymore, except to present an illusion to her||

Pluribus S1E3 ||So the hivemind is incapable of saying no. Is that because they can no longer conceive of dissent?||

[dusk hound]

I believe in Harvey Dent 👀 👀 https://x.com/solacecinema/status/1989468592996585942?s=46

Cinema Solace (@SolaceCinema)

Oscar Isaac may have a role in ‘THE BATMAN 2’ but no offers have been made yet.

(Source: @TheInSneider)

X · Nov 14, 2025, 11:00 PM

[keen flax]

Ive already bought my ticket 🥴

[topaz oyster]

That's... the most meaningless headline I've ever seen

[cobalt onyx]

I may also have a role in it, but <production company> has yet to reach out.

[dusk hound]

I too have a role in it

I will be playing John Batman

[dusk hound]

This is how I need Brainiac to be moving in Man of Tomorrow

[wise epoch]

Hey guys what do you think Alastor's radio show when was alive was

[distant birch]

I wonder if it was popular

[wise epoch]

I think it must have been

[feral flower]

Pluribus ||My guess is that when the virus fully takes over a planet and they do all the necessary clean up, they then devote all their resources to building a giant radio tower or whatever to blast their gene recipe into deep space. That’s what happened to the planet that Earth got this message from.||

[frank quail]

||That tracks. An interstellar virus||

[lilac hull]

OSCAR ISAAC

[winged mountain]

Pluribus ||it makes sense but I wonder, then what?||

[crystal brook]

Pluribus ||Does there have to be a "then what" if its a true independent "interstellar virus" as opposed to an alien race dominating the universe?||

||(Though that being said idk if they get 4 seasons if there is no then what)||

[frank quail]

||for the virus, no. But it is interesting to ask what happens after the system finishes whatever is needed for successful replication. Viri burst cells. Animals grow old, but stick around to raise their young. Flies die almost immediately after laying eggs||

[minor ledge]

nah not harvey dent i dont think

wish it was ras but probably like black mask or hush

[distant birch]

Does hush have many good stories?

[cold sequoia]

no

[distant birch]

I read "batman: hush" and found him very eh

[cold sequoia]

hush has no good stories imo

[distant birch]

Dang

[dusk hound]

This is Heart of Hush erasure

Paul Dini wrote the only good Hush story and then people forgot

[cold sequoia]

I guess I can believe that
Hush ||the underlying story of the original comic is just so bland, maybe if they had it longer term the mystery would actually have worked ||

[minor ledge]

no

tbf you could say the same thing about deathstroke and people like him so

[distant birch]

Hush ||i don't remember him even having much character in the original story rly||

||unless I've missed some parts he just kinda showed up at the end and iirc complained about Thomas Wayne saving his parents?||

[cold sequoia]

Hush ||Deathstroke wasn't introduced as a mysterious villain from Batman's past in the same story where some random friend from Bruce Wayne's past was introduced out of no where. He was a cool ninja guy who fought the teen titans ||

[minor ledge]

idk my guess for the batman 2 is still black mask

idk hopefully whoever they do its done better than how they did the riddler

[cold sequoia]

if he actually is cast, it'd be Freeze or Dent

don't see them doing another mob movie

[dusk hound]

I want Court of Owls for Part 2

[distant birch]

Court of owls feels hard to do

[dusk hound]

But Court of Owls might be a bit redundant since we DID already do a whole movie about Gotham’s corruption in Part 1

[minor ledge]

isnt it someone weve never seen before in live action

[distant birch]

I think someone else somewhere pointed this out to me but the Batman 1 ||didn't leave too many officials around to be corrupt||

[minor ledge]

so cant be dent

[dusk hound]

Reeves also said it’ll be more of a Bruce Wayne story too

The Bruce Wayne persona will be in it a lot more

[minor ledge]

I like freeze but i cant see making a long movie about freeze of all people

[cold sequoia]

Dent doesn't have to be the villain so that's not really relevant

[distant birch]

I do think if we wanted to do CoO [ the Batman pt1] ||it could be interesting if they sort of set up their influence by helping rebuild from the flood||

[ionic lily]

I think we need a Bruce Wayne movie without Batman

[minor ledge]

I dont agree

idk i just want a batfamily movie tbh but i dont see that happening in the reeves verse so hopefully the DCU is batfamily focused

[cold sequoia]

there are two batfamily movies in development

[distant birch]

It seems like it will be afaik

Dynamic duo and brave and the bold right?

[minor ledge]

wait what

[cold sequoia]

yeah

[ionic lily]

Give us live action Under The Red Hood

[cold sequoia]

Brave and the Bold will be Batman and Damien, Dynamic Duo is Dick and Jason

[minor ledge]

Do we reallly need live action jason todd?

[cold sequoia]

it's not live action

Dynamic Duo is a hybrid physical/digital puppet thing

[ionic lily]

Yes

[minor ledge]

idk i just do not like jason todd

[ionic lily]

He doesn’t like you either

[minor ledge]

him coming back was one of the worst decisions DC has done tbh

[cold sequoia]

https://vxtwitter.com/3CFilmss/status/1841248229813284915

Cris Parker (@3CFilmss)

A Reel from Swaybox Studios

Who will do the animation for DC Studios ‘Dynamic Duo’

“Momo Animation” is a cross between CGI animation, practical elements of stop-motion, & live-action real-time performance.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 1, 2024, 10:46 PM

their thing is doing digital face replacements on puppets (as well as digital background stuff and removing wires and such)

[dusk hound]

Wait they’re cooking??? https://vxtwitter.com/SlLENTPRINCESS/status/1989539645495935097?t=-5C3vVAiUXpVhj7JbGXEnA&s=19

bea (@SlLENTPRINCESS)

FIRST FOOTAGE OF THE ZELDA MOVIE BEING FILMED OMG OMG

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 15, 2025, 3:43 AM

[ionic lily]

Oh I don’t like that

[dusk hound]

Zelda and Link look so good omg

[ionic lily]

It’s all the worst parts of stop motion

[cold sequoia]

what are the worst parts of stop motion?

[minor ledge]

yeah its increidbly uncanny valley

yes another reason wallace and gromit is by far the best stop motion movie

[cold sequoia]

this isn't stop motion

[ionic lily]

The the unevenness of everything. That’s usually fine because it’s stop motion, and the faces match, but this is just weird. Stop motion is a medium you have to respect because of the sheer passion it takes, but cgi faces make it look weird and lazy

[ionic lily]

The tweet says it is

[cold sequoia]

it's not actually stop motion though

like, you can see that it's not

none of their behind the scene stuff shows stop motion being done either https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQws647gHKg/

swayboxstudios

Swaybox is holding an online audition for Momo Animators on November 15.

The role is most similar to puppetry and dance (this is not a casting call for voice actors). Visit the link in our bio for more information. No experience necessary!
#swayboxstudios #dcstudios #warnerbros #dynamicduo

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[minor ledge]

still kind of eh animation

[cold sequoia]

also I think on a technical level Pinocchio is better

[ionic lily]

Maybe, but it’s not as fun

[cold sequoia]

also there are several wallace and gromit movies

[ionic lily]

They are all perfect

[cold sequoia]

Were Rabbit was much better that the new one (although it wasn't bad by any means)

[ionic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/gromit-hecko-meme-pinguino-paloma-gif-7071081952269011141

The Wrong Trousers will always be my favorite

[cold sequoia]

if you include other stuff from Aardman I would rank the ones I've seen as
Were-rabbit >>> Chicken Run > Vengence Most Foul >> Flushed Away

[ionic lily]

Feathers McGraw is a 10/10 name

[cold sequoia]

oh yeah, Fantastic Mr Fox is also up there in terms of quality of movie that is stop motion

I haven't seen Isle of Dogs

[pine flicker]

Anyone watched Arcane?

[minor ledge]

yep

[pine flicker]

Such a great show. Hard to get people to watch it because it's animated

[minor ledge]

i loved the first season

really pretty animation

good story

second season exists for sure

[pine flicker]

season 2 needed to be 2 separate seasons imo

they jammed a lot in

[minor ledge]

i havent played league in like a decade but i really liked arcane

[sage finch]

Pluribus ep3 ||5mjns into the episode and Carol’s already b ing and moaning. She doesn’t let up lol||

[pine flicker]

This is best for your overall sanity and wellbeing. The community there is too toxic

[minor ledge]

League isnt that bad

tbh

[pine flicker]

Idk people love to rage in it 🤣

[minor ledge]

id rather interract with league fans than PDX fans or brba fans

[pine flicker]

Idk what either of those are 🤔

[minor ledge]

paradox

and breaking bad

[pine flicker]

Oh shows. Ok

[minor ledge]

nah paradox is a game studio

[pine flicker]

Yeah I liked season 2 of Arcane other than ||Isha dying, which could have easily been fixed with Ekko’s power while still breaking Jinx||

[minor ledge]

make hearts of iron and europa universalis

[molten jetty]

League is much more chill nowadays.

[ionic lily]

Only one of those will shout slurs at you

[molten jetty]

Better moderation.

[minor ledge]

i dont think ive been pissed more than i have been at some breaking bad fans from there pure stupidity

[pine flicker]

What’s wrong with Breaking Bad?

[minor ledge]

good show but breaking bad fans are

well

[pine flicker]

Ohh

I haven’t really experienced the BB community tbh

[sage finch]

The amount of ppl who hate Skyler is mindbendingly stupid

[minor ledge]

thats not even the worst part

[sage finch]

What is

[minor ledge]

breakign bad fans tend to be so infuriatingly stupid

not so much anymore

but

there was a time where it was

bad

[pine flicker]

That’s kinda the point tbh

You’re supposed to hate her, as the viewer

[molten jetty]

I also think BB fans treat it as the peak of all tv creations a lot

And overemphasize (at least for me) how good it actually is

[pine flicker]

I’m certain it’s because of the consistency of the episodes

[ionic lily]

When the correct answer is obviously BCS

[minor ledge]

i mean its great but not the best show of all time

[pine flicker]

A lot of shows fall off hard

[minor ledge]

even BCS is better

[pine flicker]

Still need to watch BCS

[minor ledge]

neither are as good as the fargo TV Show

though

(s1-3 though)

4 and 5 of that show

exist

[sage finch]

The thing it had going for it was the writers were willing to let the story end. Which is something rare nowadays

[pine flicker]

I really liked In The Dark until the last like 3 episodes

[minor ledge]

El camino:

i still need to watch el camino

im rewatching breaking bad rn though

wait till i finish this rewatch

[sage finch]

El Camino was just an epilogue to Jesse’s story

[pine flicker]

Netflix’s Daredevil and Punisher were my jam

[minor ledge]

breaking bad is really good at being super stressful i will say

[dusk hound]

The Bear and The Pitt are probably the most stressful shows I’ve ever watched

Genuinely the only shows where I’ve had to actually pause the episode and take a break

[pine flicker]

Nothing I’ve seen about The Bear seems interesting

Idk. 🤷‍♀️

[dusk hound]

It’s more of a character drama type show tbh

Not everybody’s jam

[pine flicker]

Yeah the acting looks fine but is it all just about a kitchen?

[minor ledge]

still need to watch the bear

[crystal brook]

I still havent seen s3 or 4 but The Bear s1 and 2

[pine flicker]

That’s all I ever see from that show is people in a kitchen being stressed

[molten jetty]

It’s about the personal drama of the characters in the kitchen and the process of grief and mental health struggles

[pine flicker]

I can just go in my own kitchen and do that tbh

Nah but I’m sure it’s good and at some point I’ll check it out and be hooked

[molten jetty]

(I watched parts of the Bear vicariously through my parents, no desire to watch it because it’s so stressful haha)

[ionic lily]

My favorite kitchen show is Whites. Soooo funny

[pine flicker]

Sons of Anarchy I had to stop watching because it stressed me out

[ionic lily]

https://youtu.be/9Ah4tW-k8Ao?si=6NwQjxn1A8AxDGZr

[pine flicker]

I’ve actually seen that 🤣

[minor ledge]

but i really do not like chefs as people typically

[ionic lily]

Another really funny one https://youtu.be/lN4V_tgXuNY?si=SMyt9LXlB2bHTAe3

[pine flicker]

Is that from The Bear?

[sage finch]

Pluribus ep3 ||man we get to experience Pluribus with the one miserable glass half full character left on planet earth I suppose||

[ionic lily]

This is from Whites

[molten jetty]

Oh I’ve seen this clip lol

[pine flicker]

While both are great shows, I’ll forever argue that Derek is better than After Life

[ivory night]

Same. Haven’t touched anything after 2 but omg season 2 alone has like 3 of the best episodes of television

[dusk hound]

New Star Trek movie in the works https://x.com/discussingfilm/status/1989405741858611575?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley are set to write and direct a ‘STAR TREK’ movie.

They previously directed ‘Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves’ and ‘Game Night’

(Source: Deadline)

X · Nov 14, 2025, 6:51 PM

[sage finch]

Ppl thought Skyler was unlikeable boy did they know what Vince had in store

[gritty sierra]

Vince: you should have liked Skyler more. i'll show you

i can just picture him channeling that energy in Pluribus. "you were supposed to side with HER!!!"

[minor ledge]

most unlikeable BB/BCS character is hank

still need to watch pluribus

[minor ledge]

Cop and an utter asshole

[dusk hound]

Skyler hate will never make sense to me

[sage finch]

Carol though I’d understand, I’m having a hard time watching just cuz of her

[dusk hound]

Breaking Bad ||Like I’m sorry, she should just be completely fine that her husband hid the fact that he was a drug dealer and she’s just supposed to be cool with it when he finally tells her?||

[sage finch]

Nice quote in ur bio btw by the greatest mind of our time

[minor ledge]

and like the couple things you can criticize her for walt did 10x worse

breaking bad||I mean even her "cheating" on ted wasnt really unethical they were divorced at the time||

[sage finch]

||I don’t think they were. Didn’t she say she never filed the papers||

[minor ledge]

||I mean they were socialyl divorced not legally||

[pine flicker]

Hank was my boi what do you mean?

Collects rocks and is super particular they not be called rocks? What a champ

[minor ledge]

he collects minerals not rocks

[pine flicker]

Have I got news for you…

[topaz oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/jesuschristmarie-jesus-christ-marie-gif-5863915

[sage finch]

Pluribus ||Helen was the lucky one||

[pine flicker]

is Frankenstein good?

[distant birch]

It's definitely different from the book in many places but I thought it was very well made + overall good

[pine flicker]

hmm ok

[dusk hound]

Well as if the Brainiac stuff couldn’t get more obvious James Gunn just posted this on his Threads

It’s a map of a brains neurons

[burnt shale]

I mean that’s usually because the baseline involves characters who are far too good for reality. The minute you put people with flaws in the story it falls apart.

[cobalt onyx]

I think we should follow this to it's natural conclusion and pitch the next big slice-of-life show as a deconstruction of a deconstruction of <setting genre>

[distant birch]

Has it been confirmed whether or not supergirl will be in man of tomorrow?

[sage finch]

Now You See Me Now You Don’t ||when they panned the camera to Jesse Eisenberg during thaddeus’s death scene, I remembered the scene from Arrested Development where Gob cries and says “THE TEARS AINT COMIN. THE TEARS JUST AINT. COMIN” 😂||

[oak ivy]

I saw the wizard movie

[tight dove]

hazbin all ||what i love is a lot of people where comparing Stayed Gone to Don't Say Yes Until I've Finished Talking, and then viv said that song was what got her eyes on christian and then they recreate a shot from the song in Vox Populi||

[minor ledge]

ehhhh nah i dont think thats it

like superheros deconstructions except for like watchmen kidna because that ones more complex are all "guys i think superheroes would be EVIL and KILL"

[burnt shale]

I mean yeah the point is that if you give people unimaginable power they aren't automatically gonna use that for good

[dusk hound]

Nah, but I assume she will be, it would be pretty stupid to not have her in it

I think we’ll have a definitive answer for sure when Supergirl comes out next summer

[acoustic pewter]

I am currently watching the fever dream that is the "alantutorial" YouTube channel. For those of you who haven't seen it, I'd recommend it if you're ready to be confused, amused, and eventually disturbed. Just make sure to watch his videos in chronological order if you do. It's been kind of a trip.

Does this sound familiar to anyone else? I'm watching it for the first time.

[dusk hound]

Especially if they’re doing Kandor and Brainiac, she plays a big part in that

[acoustic pewter]

So I haven't had anyone to talk to about it other than my mom when she overheard it and asked what I was watching. She saw part of one video and thinks the series is weird and wonders why I'm still watching it, so that doesn't count as someone else I know having seen it.

[dusk hound]

(I say “if” as if it isn’t already confirmed )

This is genuinely how it feels to be the only one in my friend group who reads the comics and doesn’t just watch the movies and shows

HONMOON, I NEED YOU HONMOON https://x.com/toonhive/status/1989461209591275889?s=46

ToonHive (@ToonHive)

‘KPop Demon Hunters’ group Saja Boys are reportedly looking to form a real-life boy band, The Korea Times reports.

The group has applied to join the Federation of Korean Music Performers (FKMP), signaling plans to debut officially and potentially perform live soon.

X · Nov 14, 2025, 10:31 PM

[distant birch]

Wait what

Is it the VAs or just some random group of people using the name?

[placid river]

Not confirmed [rumors/leaks] ||it’s been reported by Nexus Point News that she’s in it, and they’re very reliable for this sort of thing||

[dusk hound]

||They also said Lobo was gonna have role in it IIRC, and also John Stewart as well||

||Aaron Pierre also commented and liked the post where they announced Man of Tomorrow so he’ll be in it to some degree||

[distant birch]

||Lobo's gonna be in Supergirl WOT right?||

[dusk hound]

||Yah, played by Jason Mamoa, which is literally the only casting that makes sense for him ||

[placid river]

||they didn’t say John Stewart, although there has been speculation about him due to the social media stuff you mentioned. However, they did say Peacemaker would be in it.||

[dusk hound]

||I think I remember Gunn saying that Peacemakers fate wouldn’t actually be addressed in Man of Tomorrow but I could be wrong||

[distant birch]

Woman of tomorrow ||I wonder where. Maybe one of the people they run into in space? I assume they aren't swapping him in for Krem (iirc that was his name?)||

[dusk hound]

Woman of Tomorrow ||Yeah, it’s basically gonna be a 1 for 1 adaptation of the comic but Lobo wasn’t in the original comic, IIRC Tom King actually wanted Lobo in his original pitch for the comic but couldn’t get him||

[acoustic pewter]

If not this channel in general, has anyone here at least heard of a video about how to pick up a blue chair off the ground? It comes from that series. For years, that was all I knew about the channel.

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/stealingpotatoes/800308075562254336/tried-to-rewatch-the-cw-flash-season-1-and-ngl-it

hello there

tried to rewatch the CW flash season 1 and ngl it was painful bc i forgot how blindingly stupid they wrote him

(commission info // tip jar!)

-# #i LOVED this show at 13 but i guess i hadn't developed logic yet bc GIRL WHAT!! he's introduced as sherlock and then is just. dumb af #except when they need him to be smart like twice a season #the flash cw #the flash #barry allen #iris west #cisco ramon #caitlin snow #i like that the name has a cw in it like yeah content warning cw's the flash girl i need it #ALSO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY DID THEY MAKE IRIS HIS SISTER AND STILL MAKE HER THE LOVE INTEREST LIKE YOU DIDNT NEED TO MAKE THEM FOSTER SIB #at least he's just a bit dumb and its not straight up character assassination (LOOKS AT SUPERGIRL) #again i DID love these shows as a kid. btw. i just had to get this out my system sorry #if u love them ur still slay and cool and also more powerful than me #anyway im gonna go rewatch daredevil for the 400th time to cleanse my superhero tv palate

Tumblr · Nov 15, 2025, 7:00 PM

[silver oyster]

mr robot s3e9 ||tbh, I feel bad about Darline manipulating the ginger fed lady||

[green fjord]

"Barry, go get them! They've barely stepped through the door, they're on foot, you probably don't even need superspeed to catch up!"
"No, you don't understand! They've already left the set, there's nothing I can do." 😔

s4 ||I'm just gonna chew out Ralph for giving them an opportunity to escape instead. 😒 ||

Writing speedsters is hard 😅

[west escarp]

Sorry, Cisco, this is a 1 hour episode and we are 10 minutes in, he has to get away! I’ll catch him at 45 minutes so we have time for the emotional wrap up

[keen flax]

12 year old me ate it up every time too 😂

[full wolf]

Okay I watched the first three episodes of Pluribus ||And I had very high hopes going in, but yeah I don't think it's really clicking for me. Was chatting with Kon and Grey last night during our raid and after finishing I agree that something's not locked in. I think the character motivations feel kind of inconsistent in service of the plot that's frustrating my ability to get into it.||

[topaz oyster]

My "criticism", if you can even call it that, is that the only parts of the show I was really enjoying were the Breaking Bad callbacks (which are many in the first few episodes), and if memberberries about a 15 year old show are the only things getting me hype about it I'm probably not enjoying the show on its own merits

I have it sitting on my desktop paused halfway through the second episode because I got up to go do something else, and nothing is calling me back to watch it more. I've watched this week's CR, finished Cloudward, Ho, and probably a couple of other things since then on that same monitor and I really don't see myself going back to Pluribus

[forest wigeon]

tbf if Barry was smart there would be no show

[agile drift]

I've never heard of any of this. Sounds.... cool in a creative way maybe?

[placid river]

Supergirl ||they already cast Krem so no||

[full wolf]

Pluribus 3 ||On the characters side, I get that Carol is supposed to be this quintessentially miserable protagonist, but despite being sickened and horrified by how many people died when she lost her temper... she still spends a ton of time yelling at the We people and telling them they're upsetting her constantly, which feels like she's risking it happening again. And she wants to be independent so she tells them not to make her meals... but she's willing to stand there for 2 hours while they assemble a grocery store just for her, knowing all that food she doesn't take will go to waste because no one else will use it? On the other side though, the hivemind feels weirdly inconsistent too. They hate killing and they won't even kill a lobster when requested, but they'd give Carol an atomic bomb if she asked even if she said she'd use it? They really want Carol to feel safe and happy... but they keep doing the thing she specifically told them to stop doing by bringing up Helen's memories? Why does the collective consciousness of humanity not understand sarcasm anymore? The show wants these moments where they feel weird and inhuman but it's in a way that doesn't feel like it makes sense. ||

Pluribus 3 ||There is a... frustrating incuriosity to Carol. Why doesn't she ask them what it feels like, why they're so happy? We get this rant where she imagines what it feels like, but we never get any real answer. What are all the people doing when they're not doing essential services or waiting hand-and-foot on the normies? Are they having enjoyable experiences so that everybody can benefit from that joy or do they just sit in their houses until there's something necessary that needs to happen for collective survival? Is everybody eating the exact same food and living in the exact same way? What are the We folks like when there's not a normie around and there aren't bodies to pick up? We know they don't have to talk to each other because there's no need, but what do they do with their time and energy? Carol doesn't seem interested in any of those things at all, but I feel like they're important to figure out if this system is good or bad you know?||

[gritty sierra]

pluribus general, at least to episode 2 ||like i'm not even sure i dislike carol but i'm not sure the premise is super interesting to me? it just seems really bleak and basically like the most complete form of loneliness that could exist, sure, but nothing is balancing that bleakness with interest or deepness or whatever. i keep thinking they might be getting into that across the whole first season but right now i need more and i'm not getting it||

[topaz oyster]

Mhmm

I'm not yet clear on why this isn't a 2hr movie

[gritty sierra]

Pluribus all general ||I do think the hivemind is a disappointing thought exercise so far, there's nothing that grabs me or intrigues me - in fact, the idea seems to be that the hivemind has taken the majority of people on Earth and sanded them down to nubs so there can't be anything interesting about them at all anymore. I think I'd go crazy but not in a way I want to sit down and linger on||

[lucid haven]

idk if the premise could be explored in full in a 2 hour movie. movies simular to this premise have happened in the past but i think they wanted more time to sit with it and explore it

[oak ivy]

@lone canyon watch pluribus

[gritty sierra]

||I'll likely keep following the episode synopses to see if anything interesting happens later, but right now, I don't think this has anything I want||

[lucid haven]

Plubrius ||i would honestly spend so much of my day just asking the hivemind questions about poeple and conspirisies and science and my specific past, that it makes the premise intersting enough to me||

[full wolf]

Pluribus all ||Yeah I find myself frustrated that we don't know what the hivemind actually wants or is actually doing. What goals did the collective consciousness of humanity decide it should put its full effort towards aside from: 1. freeing zoo animals, 2. cleaning up detritus, 3. finding a way to get the normies converted. What are they actually doing with all this coordination and effort? What's the plan, and is it good or bad?||

[crystal brook]

Its potentially going to be 4 seasons

It feels like there has to be some crazy scope expansion at the end of season 1

[full wolf]

These don't feel like cool mysteries that I want to keep watching to find out more, they feel like obvious questions that no one on screen is asking about

[gritty sierra]

pluribus all ||like.... are they fixing up climate change and restoring damaged natural habitats? are they working on space travel? what does the supply chain look like for the hivemind? what are the big and small projects the hivemind is spending their time on? ||

||watching them babysit the immune is kind of deathly uninteresting||

[full wolf]

||Especially when it feels like it's being treated as the main point of the show, like the audience is being asked to imagine what it would be like to have your every need attended to if asked like it's kind of a fantasy scenario... but functionally it HAS to be a tiny portion of what the world writ large is actually doing. I want to know what's going on with the rest of it. That feels like it's where the premise is supposed to be, but the camera isn't pointing there for some unknown reason. (Probably because it's being saved as a "reveal" but it doesn't feel like there's a good reason why it's not been revealed other than "the plot wants this info to be later")||

[gritty sierra]

pluribus all ||also, you'd think the whole sum knowledge of animal care would be in the hivemind and they'd understand why they can't just release all zoo animals everywhere because some aren't fit to be released into the wild. it doesn't feel like the sum knowledge and wisdom of humanity, it feels like the sum knowledge and wisdom of a small group of people (the writing room) which apparently doesn't include animal welfare and the current going-ons of that world - and if i'm not even in the field and know this, what else is falling between the cracks? ||

[gritty sierra]

||yeah i think i'll wait for the season to wrap up before checking out what the reveal is||

[full wolf]

It feels like there's a ton of interesting things they could do with this premise and we're three episodes in and they've chosen... none of them

[crystal brook]

pluribus ||So far its mostly enrapturing me from a direction/cinematographic point of view||

||For me it feels so well put together, and thats whats interesting me the most||

[full wolf]

Pluribus/Severance general ||Severance did this so well for me from its aesthetic to the unsettling dialogue, to the off-kilter soundtrack and cinematography. I wanted Pluribus to be able to do the same, and I feel like Pluribus' marketing tried to sell it as having those kinds of vibes. But I'm not getting it. It was there at the very start, with like, the TV conversation and uncanny interactions in the very first episode, but everything after that feels like it slipped into this situation immediately feeling very mundane somehow||

||Its now just Carol has the most helpful concierge imaginable and she's grieving and doesn't want it, and... that's really just the extent of it.||

[crystal brook]

||I mean yeah, Severance is a different show that is doing a different thing (at the moment), the way each scene is being crafted in my opinion, is serving the scenes very very well in this show||

||My concern coming into Pluribus is that it essentially is an idea for a Doctor Who episode, stretched into a whole season of show, but I think the way the show has been made is boosting up its interest a lot for me||

[wise epoch]

Time to watch Terrifier 2

[feral flower]

Pluribus episode 3 ||I enjoyed this episode, although I feel like this is the point where we need to start seeing more… forward momentum. Like I would not want the next episode to also just be Carol being miserable and the hive mind being weird.||

[feral flower]

||Not just a season, but Season 2 is already greenlit and Vince says he could do up to 4. Which… makes me interested in where this is going to go.||

[wise epoch]

Terrifier 2 got. Way weirder than I was expecting super fast. What the hell is happening right now.

[wise epoch]

main girl walks away from an in depth conversation about a murder happening
Her friends: "Man, what's her deal? She is SUCH a drama queen"

[inland jetty]

I have an odd interest in the Terrifier movies that includes a 0% desire to watch them. Fascinated by their content and story, in the context of horror movies, complaints (that I've heard) about their modern conventions, and art in general. Also I'm completely confident I'd have to turn them off almost immediately if I tried watching them because I know what I can handle and what I find interesting wrt horror

[wise epoch]

Yeah that's entirely valid

You have to be a specific type to handle Terrifier, it is easily one of the most brutal franchises

I would not casually recommend Terrifier to very many people

[wise epoch]

I am violently uncomfortable!
I don't think the first movie made me feel this violently uncomfortable!

[inland jetty]

That's fascinating, because from reading tvtropes it was the first movie (And All Hallows Eve) that made me the most uncomfortable

[wise epoch]

I didn't watch All Hallow's Eve

First movie definitely had its moments

But idk I didn't feel as uncomfortable during that movie as I do during this one

This one is making me flinch a lot more. The first one I was like "Holy S* that's rad", this one I'm like "HOLY S*!"

My muscles are clenching way more

Granted it's possible I could be forgetting my feelings on the first movie's kills

Maybe I'm letting the post-movie "damn that was really well done practical effects" overshadow my first viewing experience

[wise epoch]

I did not expect ||the penis kill|| Terrifier 2

[wise epoch]

Finished Terrifier 2
ahen JEE-ZUS CHRIST!

[west escarp]

From Tinker Belles and Evil Queens

[agile drift]

Pluribus 3 ||I agree with what everyone was saying earlier. It definitely feels like they aren't utilizing the premise to its full potential. My mind keeps going to The Good Place, which is obviously a different genre but I think it does the premise of "characters are now living in a bizarre new world" a lot better and more compellingly. And yeah, Carol is just so annoying to watch. Like we're 3 episodes in and she's just annoyed all the time. We needed something new this episode and I don't think enough was offered||

[full wolf]

Pluribus 3 ||I want to be told something about how unwavering empty, placid contentment robs us of innately human experiences that require both pain and the relief and joy of surpassing it. Or I want to see a demonstration of how humanity would have infinite compassion for each other if we could share our understanding of everyone's different lives. Or I want to see some triumph of human capacity if everyone was able to work together towards meeting everyone's basic needs in the most efficient way and combining all the extra time and effort towards something grand together. And yet all we're getting with this premise is: the human hivemind is doing something, maybe, over there, after they've cleaned up all the dead bodies and fire damage aaaaaaaand they're babysitting the immune by giving them any little thing their heart desires to keep them happy, and also ooh they collectively know all the facts and can speak all the languages, wow. I need... a thesis here. I need a fundamental understanding of human nature that we're prying open with a fantastical premise. I'm not getting that.||

[gritty sierra]

||you articulated it!||

[full wolf]

Pluribus general ||Why do I always feel so compelled to write essays about a thing that is almost good but didn't actually hit it? The words of "no, you were so close, it's right THERE, like it's just, NO A LITTLE FURTHER YOU ALMOST HAD IT, NO" simply must flow. Anyway, here's my 4k essay about Wind and Truth next||

[oak ivy]

pluribus gen ||is this show beating the "hiveminds are boring af" allegations||

||i honestly have no idea how i would sustain that for 8 episodes||

[gritty sierra]

watch it and discover the answer is ||no.... hell no, even||

[sage finch]

It’s a little early to be writing essays about what it could’ve been

[full wolf]

pluribus 3 ||It is not, but it feels like it really SHOULD be like, it would be so easy to just have something instead of nothing and yet here i am, watching a grumpy woman pretend that standing by and watching hundreds of people assemble her own personal grocery store so that she can pretend to shop in it despite there being no money or economy anymore is somehow more independent of her than someone putting room service on her porch 😩 ||

[full wolf]

I feel like the first few episodes/chapters/etc of a thing are the place where you are supposed to show the audience what the thing is about

[topaz oyster]

I mean it is already veering deeply into "this series could have been an episode of the Twilight Zone" territory

[dusk hound]

Oh no is Pluribus not good

Oh well

I was probably gonna watch it

[topaz oyster]

A lot of people really like it

Its appeal is pretty lost on me

[gritty sierra]

one of my favourite media podcasts is really into it, just doesn't have anything that would click with me. yet? hopefully yet. but right now i'm content to say it's not for me

[full wolf]

I do feel like there's a chance it's going to get good later, but it annoys me that imo, it is not good right now b/c whaaaaat are we doing here. to me it feels like they're still saving all the interesting stuff for later and i feel like i'm in a narrative waiting room

[sage finch]

Still you can’t judge it based off 3 episodes, we don’t even know where it’s going yet. I do think carols character needs to take a turn for the better if it has any hope of being good

[gritty sierra]

spinning tires...... where have i said that a million times before?

:P

[topaz oyster]

Can't you? Is three hours of show not enough to form a preliminary opinion on it?

[full wolf]

the fact that we don't know where it's going yet by three episodes in is the part I'm frustrated by, so that's what I'm critiquing?

[topaz oyster]

Every episode that goes by where more or less nothing happens is that much more work the final episode or two has to do to salvage it, and the more appropriate the "this series could have been an episode of the Twilight Zone" criticism feels since if you have all these episodes sitting around why are we even here

[full wolf]

this extremely prestigious tv show with a lot of hype associated with how great and unique it is does not need to be A Realm Reborn-ing me imo. If it turns into a Shadowbringers later, that's great, but having to slog through an early part that's not interesting is points off

doubly so when they're releasing it episodic, because every episode should be trying to convince the audience to come back the next week to keep going. you can't just binge the whole thing, and that's a gamble if you don't actually capture people with the first few episodes

[topaz oyster]

I think they thought the pilot was really strong

I... don't agree. It was fine

[full wolf]

I do think the pilot was very strong, I liked the pilot a lot! But I feel like the next two episodes kind of chose to chug uphill and lost a lot of momentum for my interest

[frank quail]

Ironically, I think I would be a lot more annoyed if they dropped the whole thing at once.
With episodic, I can be left to think about the little details, instead of focusing on how much the larger pacing is or isn't wasting my time

[gritty sierra]

i really liked episode 1! it had a LOT of tension and good pacing and carried me along every moment! ep2 thoughts more specifics now ||it felt like it suddenly REALLY diverted and became a really different show. and where i felt the first episode was leading into Saying Something, all of a sudden it just got lost, like really lost and even muddied. i now have no idea what it might be trying to say. like even what it said about Carol was VERY strong in episode 1 and then became not||

[topaz oyster]

I dunno maybe this is my personal version of Lost trauma

[frank quail]

It's been a while at this point, but I feel a lot of what y'all are saying applies to why I DNFd Breaking Bad the other year

[full wolf]

i've never watched BB

but i did watch that cool remix with all the memes in it, so i feel like that's kind of the same thing

[topaz oyster]

I adore the BB pilot

It does also slow down after the pilot but it had a much stronger sense of directionality to it

[full wolf]

i may just be sitting here like "why isn't every show severance" for a while probably

i think they ruined me

they did it too good and my standards are impossible now

[frank quail]

I get it. Sometimes someone just does a particular genre The Best, and everyone else will be compared to them for all time

[winged mountain]

I do sort of feel like the first and subsequent episodes were almost different shows, but it seems to me like the latter is what they actually wanted to make, and the former is just what they had to make in order to get there? I expect the rest of the season to follow on this course

[frail mulch]

Caught up on Pluribus so I can read all the spoiler blocks earlier but my first credits thought for Pluribus 3 is [slight Dune reference] ||uhhhh so are fresh babies already part of the hive mind, like Alia Atredes or something because RNA would've been exchanged in utero? We did see that infant seat shaking in episode 1 when Carol went to the emergency room||

[frail mulch]

I'm also reminded a little of Ender Quartet half-remembered ||the descolada virus, at least in terms of interstellar genetic code though in Pluribus's case, we synthesized it ourselves and became what mRNA vaccine conspiracy theorists assume.||

[green fjord]

Started watching murderbot. || I don't think I would be able to watch this if I hadn't listened to the audiobooks already. More social awkwardness than I could handle. 😅 It's good though.||

[green fjord]

Murderbot through e5 || It took me a little to adjust to murderbot's voice being different from the audiobook narrator, but now that I'm used to it it's good. The actor is also doing a great job of looking incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. 😅 The quick cuts to murderbot and its internal dialogue is good fun and captures that part of the books really well, and I like murderbot's heads up displays, particularly watching the performance reliability drop. XD ||

||The other characters benefit a whole lot from the extra screen time and the performances and come across way more strongly to me than they did in the first novella.||

||Also I don't remember if I'd heard Clark Gregg was in this, but seeing agent Coulson as the lieutenant in Sanctuary Moon is very funny.||

[full wolf]

I think the Murderbot adaptation does a really good job both adapting and expanding to make the source material work as a show

MB, safe for Claincy ||The expansion of Gurathin's role and the new scenes they write for him and Murderbot are probably my faves||

[lucid haven]

murderbot is up there with expanse for me in how adtaptations should be

where they took a peice of media and changed it in ways which work so well for the new format

because you NEED to cut things and change things for books to tv

[green fjord]

It is very good so far, I'll probably get through the rest tomorrow.

[lucid haven]

also muderbot tv show i think did a reall good job of nailing the autism/neurodivergant ways in which the main character sees and expereinces the world in ways where i truly havent felt that seen before i think

[green fjord]

Murderbot/first novella || I think Mensa and Gurathin are the characters in the first novella who have the most interesting connection/interaction with Murderbot. Though perhaps more potential than fully realised with Gurathin, expanding that dynamic makes a lot of sense.||

[lucid haven]

shows like expanse and murderbot give me hope for brandon adaptations some day

and even mtg's atla set give me hope because that as well is a great translation with passion and respect being moved from one medium to another

[full wolf]

MB show ||Also they made Gurathin and Murderbot so shippy and I'm HERE for it||

[green fjord]

MB show ||I hadn't noticed or considered that at all, but valid :p||

[feral flower]

That’s me with Scarlet Hollow and basically any game that revolves around your relationships/affinities with the cast of characters.

Also kinda just branching narratives in general.

[wet quest]

:(
I thought "MB show" meant Mistborn show and I got super excited

[lucid haven]

there will be a rather large ammount of adjustments to the server, new channels, announcments, crazy hype, and just in general chaos when/if a mistborn adaptation happens

i assure you that you wont be able to miss it

[dusk hound]

https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1990426889765392666?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

First look at the live-action ‘LEGEND OF ZELDA’ movie
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︀︀In theaters on May 7, 2027

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FxTwitter · Nov 17, 2025, 2:28 PM

[cold sequoia]

Whos that lady with the bow and arrows next to Zelda?

[dusk hound]

I think that’s Peach or something idk

[lucid haven]

kinda sad they didnt choose that trans woman ppl were screaming about a few months ago as zelda

[crystal brook]

How often are fan casts actually given a role? 😂

[oak ivy]

did a trans woman get far in the process or was this an internet push

[cold sequoia]

afaik it was all internet

[crystal brook]

Internet push

[cold sequoia]

idk if she even indicated interest in the role

[crystal brook]

Hunter Schafer would be an excellent choice lookswise for a Twilight Princess Zelda

I dont actually think ive seen her in anything

[topaz oyster]

The aggressive internet fancasting is getting weird to me

Not so much people talking about it

But the like quasi-journalistic element to it

"Hunter Schafer should be Princess Zelda" shouldn't ever have been a news story

[crystal brook]

I believe she was asked about it in an interview around when the film was announced, i think?

[dusk hound]

https://x.com/apochorseman/status/1990444099732959285?s=46

Apocalyptic Horseman (@ApocHorseman)

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Man Of Tomorrow’ Casting Description Hints At New Hero Joining The DCU

Check out the full article here: https://t.co/elrDYjjT8o

X · Nov 17, 2025, 3:37 PM

“A new female hero is being cast for the film. She’s described as being in her late twenties and having an edge to her. What’s interesting is there’s a height requirement for this character and they’re looking for taller actresses. In addition, the character is being described as being a warrior and having a strong physique.”

[civic trellis]

so like, wonder woman, or...?

[dusk hound]

Don’t know tbh

I think it could be anybody

My theory is probably Maxima

I really don’t want it to be Wonder Woman

Have her debut in her own movie, not in a Superman movie like Snyder did