Media (General)

[ivory night]

It’s not even obscure it won best picture!

[azure fern]

It's 2025 and for some arcane reason it's still wild to me that there exists people who were born after 2000

[acoustic pewter]

I was born in 2000. I'm 25. It's weird to me too.

[azure fern]

well, not exactly that ... just that there are adults born after 2000 I guess

[midnight compass]

2003 babyyyyyy

[azure fern]

I blame covid cause really I have stopped keeping track of time as of 2019

[keen flax]

Yeah where did the time go

[acoustic pewter]

Y2K didn't halt births

[molten jetty]

😭

[acoustic pewter]

I think COVID screwed with my sense of time too

It made two years feel like one

[keen flax]

I know! I knew what the movie was called, and I knew the gif I just did NOT put 2 and 2 together 😂

[molten jetty]

Bruh

Which LotR man do we think Cosmic will simp for

And why do you think ||it’s the Witch King of Angmar?||

[ivory night]

|| Sauron||

[ionic lily]

Lurtz

[molten jetty]

||If Sauron was in his Annatar form, definitely||

[ivory night]

|| I think there’s a chance she likes the armor, then when she learns Sauron is evil and everything she’ll be like nope ||

[topaz oyster]

bruh

[ionic lily]

||You obviously havent met cosmic, thats a plus||

[molten jetty]

||the actual answer for his crashout-ness is Boromir||

[midnight compass]

This is what I thought I'd read in your first message lol

[cobalt onyx]

LotR all ||Cosmic would 100% take Denethor's side. Boromir is dead, all that's left is the spare. All is lost.||

[ionic lily]

Denethor was right

[molten jetty]

It is what I was gonna send but I thought “wait this would be funnier”

[molten jetty]

LotR ||this would be so funny considering Faramir is my goat and my hubby||

[ionic lily]

#DenethorDidNothingWrong

[silver oyster]

mr robot e8 ||WHAT DO YOU MEAN WTF||

[ionic lily]

ooo

great show

[keen flax]

If i could read all of those spoilers id be very angry/upset/happy/some other 4th emotion

[topaz oyster]

How's it going

[silver oyster]

we sucking diesel over here

[silver oyster]

e8 ||I just got to the sister part||

[topaz oyster]

🤐

[silver oyster]

mr robot e9 ||the dad hallucination has to be a double whammy or a misdirection or smth. some of the early scenes don't make sense if dad is a hallucination ||

||unless you substitute dad with elliot in those, huh ||

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[silver oyster]

what a season of tv huh

wow

I like this more than Severance, tbh

[minor ledge]

the hobbits have extended cuts?

[topaz oyster]

They do

And they are an improvement because, wouldn't you know it, a lot of what was cut was Bilbo And The Dwarves stuff

[winged mountain]

one of these days I'm gonna want to check out one of the fan edits of that, I don't think I've watched any of the movies since theaters

[dawn kayak]

cosmic please watch LotR 🙏

[dawn kayak]

I mean okay to be fair, who doesn't?

[keen flax]

Ill find a day sometime! Im a lot more motivated now that my dad wants to see it wjth me

[dawn kayak]

I watched LotR in VHS 😌

[winged mountain]

I think I was firmly into the DVD era by the time the movies came out, like the PS2 was the main DVD player of the house

[acoustic pewter]

I watched the extended editions on DVD with my dad and brother as a kid. Each extended edition was split across two discs. Hence the treatment of the series as six movies.

[frank quail]

It was a short new year's tradition for my family to watch the extended edition DVD's as they came out

[ripe stag]

We had a Christmas Eve tradition to watch them in the cinema, because there's precious little else to do with that day...

[worn notch]

Quick reminder that Phinneas and Ferb has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

[tight dove]

good

[acoustic pewter]

As well it should

[buoyant scroll]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/new-mummy-movie-brendan-fraser-rachel-weisz-1236418031/

[dawn kayak]

I really want the return of pulp movies please 🙏

every few years we have a tentative return

recently we've had the new indiana jones (which was okay, solid 6.5/10), the new indiana jones game (which was great, 9/10) and the the rock movie (surprisingly good for a dwayne the johnson movie, 7/10)

[ionic lily]

They’re still around, plenty of terrible but fun action movies coming out

[dawn kayak]

not the kind I want 😔

[hushed moss]

There is that Anaconda reboot coming out. I think it looks fun.

[ionic lily]

I think it’s actually a movie about a couple guys trying to reboot it

[buoyant scroll]

mhm

[ivory night]

I should probs start on rewatching stranger things because I don’t remember anything about the last season other than || Kate bush|| but on the other hand ehhhhhh

[placid river]

depends how invested you are and how much you would enjoy a rewatch. If you don't care to watch the whole thing I'm sure there will be several articles and videos recapping everything before the new season drops

[ivory night]

Yeah I can always read the Wikipedia episode summaries. It’s just eh… maybe I’ll just wing it

[topaz oyster]

Historically they've had a "previously on" segment anyway

[dusk hound]

NO WAY https://x.com/oplaupdates/status/1985834860951584937?s=46

OPLA Updates (@OPLAUPDATES)

Oh my gosh!!!!! ACE TOMORROW 🔥

X · Nov 4, 2025, 10:21 PM

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

NO WAY

NO WAY

LOCK IN

[oak ivy]

Its over when @molten jetty sees LA ace

[molten jetty]

🔥

Did you see Bon Clay

[oak ivy]

No

[agile drift]

Seated for Frankenstein 🔥

[crystal brook]

Its a very pretty film, enjoy!

[distant birch]

Frankenstein time Soon ™

[dusk hound]

Ace announcement tomorrow

Screen goes black and fades in

”The hierarchy of power in the Grand Line is about to change”

Dwayne Johnson has been cast as Ace

[agile drift]

I quite liked Frankenstein. Beautifully made. I haven't read the book so that doesn't factor into my opinion

[distant birch]

I thought it was very good but quite different

Consistent with a lot of the themes of the book but quite different in plot and (to some extent) character

But very well made

[tight dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQypHE9_Fm4

[main dew]

We're so back

[distant birch]

My Adventures W/ Superman 3 ||I love the crew clearly displaying their stolen badges with faces that clearly aren't theirs ||

[silver oyster]

mr robot s2e1 ||elliot in a church is such a funny image||

||oh, it was a fantasy/delusion, damn||

[dusk hound]

BANGGGG https://x.com/screentime/status/1986064837252690329?s=46

ScreenTime (@screentime)

Xolo Maridueña has been cast as Portgas D. Ace in 'ONE PIECE' Season 3

X · Nov 5, 2025, 1:35 PM

[molten jetty]

Let’s goooo

https://tenor.com/view/ready-to-fight-miguel-diaz-cobra-kai-screaming-prepared-to-fight-gif-13658688299927995393

[crystal brook]

Crazy that he basically is just Ace

[molten jetty]

I was hoping it’d be him

He was the most common fancast and Inaki visited the Cobra Kai set so they would do promo together and were friends

[keen flax]

IM WATCHINH ONE PIECE LIVE ACTION TODAY RIGHT NOW

I need to catch up for pookie bookie stinka honey pie pookie

[midnight compass]

Cosmic are you okay?

[keen flax]

Oh im doing great ander thanks for asking 🥴

[azure fern]

...finish LoVM please I beg you 😭

[full wolf]

me still looking at the cruel prince liveblog

[timid zodiac]

Cradle

[molten jetty]

Cosmic is on such a similar wavelength as me

It’s nice to have someone else also getting the “PLEASE JUST FINISH SOMETHING” talk

[frank quail]

yeah, but you're both on the enemy team

[molten jetty]

Cosmic have you seen Cobra Kai

It’s so bad it’s good

Especially S1 lol

[azure fern]

I never thought it was bad, just campy. It's very self aware I feel like

I dont think I've seen the latest season 🤔

[molten jetty]

I watched until when (CK) ||Terry Silvers sent the one guy to jail||

||I think it was worse the more it was like “all the kids are BRAWLING all the time”||

[azure fern]

|| Yeah, I think if you're trying to take it seriously/realistically it's absurd, but I think the point is for it to be absurd ||

I think it's pretty par for the course for the franchise

[wise epoch]

MORE HAZBIN SEASON 2!

||"They say time heals all wounds but the wounds are what I miss"
Banger lyrics|| Hazbin S2E3

[main dew]

Ey put that behind spoilers

Can't wafch until tomorrow 😭

[wise epoch]

Aye

[wise epoch]

Hazbin S2E4 ||HELL YEAH ALASTOR BACKSTORY LET'S GO||

||I'm surprised that it's Rosie who owned his soul. I'm pretty sure we all thought it was Lilith.||

||I do wonder how Rosie has the power to just MAKE Alastor one of the most powerful sinners||

[lilac hull]

Is OPLA s2 out already???

[dusk hound]

Nah, comes out on March 10th

We had a pretty big casting reveal today tho

[lilac hull]

Ok, I figured, but the way Cosmic was talking was throwing me

Oh, cool

[dusk hound]

I think they also began production on season 3 already?? But IDK

[lilac hull]

They need to chill 😭

[dusk hound]

So it should be a shorter wait between 2 and 3 then it was between 1 and 2

[dusk hound]

This is how Iñaki’s gonna be moving if we get to Wano

[lilac hull]

Slowly, or completely disrespecting the source material?

[wise epoch]

||I love Niffty
Oh my god
That song was incredible||
Hazbin S2E4

||ANIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ANIME FIGHT SCEEEEEEENE||

Interesting
||What is Alastor planning with this exactly||

YOOOOOOOOOO
||SAYING "YOU'LL WISH YOU HAD STAYED GONE" IN A REPRISE OF ONCE WE GET UP THERE IN A REPRISE OF DON'T YOU FORGET IS CRAZY||

S2 of Hazbin is really solid so far god damn

||Also episode 4 does a better job convincing me that Alastor is an absolute monster more than the entirety of the rest of the series so that's fun||

[buoyant scroll]

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/kpop-demon-hunters-2-2029-release-1236570536/

[acoustic pewter]

So I have another three years before escaping this doubles in difficulty, good to know

[dusk hound]

Am I crazy for thinking Hoult actually has a shot for best supporting actor https://x.com/axeltalksfilm/status/1986197381977964949?s=46

Axel 🦇 (@AxelTalksFilm)

SUPERMAN has been submitted at the Golden Globes for -

• Best Motion Picture (Drama)
• Best Director – James Gunn
• Best Actor – David Corenswet
• Best Supporting Actress – Rachel Brosnahan
• Best Supporting Actor – Nicholas Hoult

#SupermanSweep

X · Nov 5, 2025, 10:22 PM

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x4 ||While I have some mixed feelings on the episode, that bit was reeeeally good||

||well. Less mixed feelings and more "I need to see where we're going with this first"||

[distant birch]

||I also wonder about this, because the terms were to make him "the most powerful sinner in hell", right? So does that mean Rosie isn't a sinner?||

||because surely the one making him most powerful would be more powerful||

[wise epoch]

Their musical composition is really on point

Like they're doing some great stuff

[wise epoch]

||It's weird because the wiki calls her a demon, not a sinner, but she's an Overlord, which thus far have all been Sinners. Faustisse apparently said she never died, but that was probably before S1. Also apparently she's only a 2 or a 3 on the Overlord power scale, in which case how is she able to make Alastor THE most powerful?||

||Something is weird about Rosie for sure||

[distant birch]

||what's the difference between demon and sinner?||

[wise epoch]

I clicked the demon page

It's just everyone in hell

So that says nothing

[distant birch]

Huhhh right

[wise epoch]

Everyone from Alastor to Blitz

[distant birch]

||I suppose it's possible Rosie is like... metaphorically able to provide weapons or something that Al could use to be the most powerful. So she's not really the most powerful, because she doesn't do much, just trades arms. But through what she gives others can be stronger||

||or maybe she has a contract with someone like lilith that she can then pass power along to alastor through||

[wise epoch]

Very strange in any case

||I don't see why narratively she would need to act as a middle man between Alastor and Lilith, if the power just came from Lilith anyways. So I don't think it's the second.||

[distant birch]

||I suppose it's also possible Rosie is <someone else>||

||like lilith or something. I've seen some people speculating that heaven!lilith is an impostor||

[velvet oriole]

Decided to watch Fallout

Fallout ep1 ||Raiders ||

||You look like your mother ||

[lucid haven]

Best thing avout the fallout TV series it just feels like your watching a really high quality vod of a new fallout game

Its got so many vibes of juat watching a playthrough and I love it

[molten jetty]

It reminded me of playing Fallout 4 most definitely

[velvet oriole]

Fallout ep1 ||You could say this is expedition 33. 😎 ||

[lucid haven]

https://tenor.com/view/gustave-expedition-33-clair-obscur-gif-5507916402072277167

[sharp eagle]

Hazbin s2e4 || Glad others are puzzling over the Rosie thing.

I’m also curious about Alastor’s plan. Is he gonna set the Vs against Rosie? Or use the favor Charlie owes him somehow since the Vs can’t touch her now? ||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2E4 ||I'm assuming it's something like "If I'm no longer the strongest in hell, Rosie is not holding up her end of the bargain, therefore I don't have to hold up my end". He might even be planning on helping Vox with his plan so he gains power, believing Hell will deal with him but leaving him free of his contract||

||In terms of the "How can Rosie make him strongest if she's not the strongest", that's not really an issue for me, he made his deal before he died which I feel changes it. If someone just tried to make that agreement with another sinner already in hell, it wouldn't work like it did Alastor||

[sharp eagle]

|| I also think he used whatever boost Rosie gave him to acquire a lot more power before he disappeared, with other deals he made and overlords he took down.

I do think there’s something more to Rosie now that we know she’s somehow tied up in this and is the one giving Alastor directions, but yeah have no issue with her being the source of his initial power. ||

|| kind of like a granted wish thing - since he was a mortal when the deal was made, like you said. She was capable of doing more maybe through a transaction like that than she would have been on her own? If that’s what you are getting at. ||

[dusk hound]

Warner Bros and HBO Max panels planned for CCXP 👀 👀

Supergirl and Lanterns trailer #incoming

[steep bramble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT1ng2tiwLA
I AM HYPED

[cold sequoia]

is there a reason they aren't saying season 2 here?

[steep bramble]

I don't know, but it very much is S2

[forest wigeon]

Probably to catch people who haven't seen or don't know about S1

[west escarp]

They better finish this fast, the child actor is already looking like an adult

[steep bramble]

Yeah Walker has grown soooo much

They're doing S2 and S3 back to back, so they're currently filming S3

[frail mulch]

good, I feel like their Nico actor is going to age since they cast him young

[naive mica]

Gosh he went from adorable tween to weedy teenager already

Trailer looks fantastic though

[turbid narwhal]

debating whether i should get apple TV again to watch pluribus tomorrow

[ionic lily]

Get it to watch Slow Horses

[wise epoch]

I hope Percy Jackson changes its narrative philosophy so that the characters don't just

Insantly know everything they're dealing with like in S1

[turbid narwhal]

i've already watched the first two seasons, i'll probably get around to the rest at some point

[steep bramble]

It shocked me when they did the teaser and Walker’s voice had dropped.

[steep bramble]

I mean I don’t think they know all that?

[wise epoch]

I haven't watched S1 since it came out but I remember the guys walking on scene, spending five seconds, and then just going "Oh this is so and so from Greek mythology". They didn't let the situation simmer, they just knew what they were doing immediately.

[dusk hound]

Boys had their fun with Superman, now it’s real men’s turn https://x.com/homeofdcu/status/1986471995777687883?s=46

Home of DCU (@homeofdcu)

Supergirl will have an interactive booth at CCXP 2025 [December]!

X · Nov 6, 2025, 4:33 PM

So we’re getting a trailer within the next 4 weeks

[steep bramble]

Ahhhh that’s what you’re talking about

[wise epoch]

What did you think I was talking about, out of curiosity?

[forest wigeon]

I thought you were saying, knowing in advance what obstacles they'd face

[wise epoch]

Well. I didn't like that they did the Lotus Hotel knowing what it was in advance

That much is also true

[topaz oyster]

I do think the Percy Jackson show has the specific grace of like At Least It Is Actual Kids And Not Alexandra Daddario

I'm willing to take casting and production antisynergies with a spirit of "at least they care to try"

[frail mulch]

yeah, definitely looks better than the sea of monsters movie too, imo

[ionic lily]

Thats a low, low bar

[wet quest]

Can we get a crossover of God Emporer of Dune and Reckoners where ||the Reckoners have to team up with Obliteration because the God Emperor's only weakness is nukes?||

[wise epoch]

Gonna be nice having an adaptation where the Mist isn't broken by applying half a second of logic

[wet quest]

That was my biggest issue with season 1 as well.
To an extent, I get it. A lot of the people watching the show grew up reading the books so they've known about all of these traps since a young age, but the writers really never gave the trio any chances to fail and I didn't like that

[wise epoch]

||It was absolutely maddening when they walked into Crusty's place and within two minutes were just belting out everything there is to know about the guy||

||The whole point of Crusty is that he was an insanely obscure character!||

If it was just Medusa that'd be one thing

But you can't take an obscure Greek figure and have the characters rattle off the whole myth within minutes of meeting the guy, that defeats the point

[wet quest]

I think if they went with different traps or whatnot that might have gotten around it. Because it really felt like the writers saying, "at this point everyone simply knows not to talk to the troll under the bridge," so they skipped over getting stuck

[wet quest]

Spoiler tag that probably

[wise epoch]

That said

Is there much that's obscure in Sea of Monsters?

I don't think there is, iirc most of it is from the Odyssey

[wet quest]

I thought the casting was really good, I thought the relationship between Percy's mom and Poseiden was handled really well, and I loved how they ||changed the ending so that the team missed the deadline, but Posieden stepped in and forfietted the combat.||
I have high hopes for season two

[minor ledge]

hoult has no chance

im sorry

superman was good but this year is stacked

[steep bramble]

Yeah like series wide.

[lucid haven]

You said this ages ago. But honestly apple TV is producing some of the best series's right now

Imo its super worth to sub to apple TV for at least a month or two

[minor ledge]

yeah

best original shows

by far

[lucid haven]

Not just best originals

But like highest density of good TV shows

So I think its like the best deal in subscription TV right now

[minor ledge]

Hulu and netflix have the best non irignals

[lucid haven]

Plubrius is all loaded up and ready to go might watch it tonight or tomorrow

[minor ledge]

BrBa ||Forgot how stressful the s4e3 marie scenes are||

[keen flax]

Mmmm Law and Order binging time

[azure fern]

cosmic...

[keen flax]

Yes :3

[turbid narwhal]

Pluribus S1 e1&2 ||Really strong start. One of the better pilots i've watched and i think episode 2 is even better because of how much built on it and showed the possibilities of how this could move forward. I was a little hesitant on the concept but i think it's being executed very well so far.||

[azure fern]

-# please

[keen flax]

Ill get to the last season! Eventually 😂

[turbid narwhal]

pluribus 1&2 ||small side note, when carol was talking about the book she was writing being about a pirate who sails on purple sand(she does mention green sand as a joke) i thought it was a reference to tress ||

[buoyant scroll]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheCartoonBase/status/1986255398005776570

Cartoon Base (@TheCartoonBase)

Maythe Guedes has sadly passed away.

The voice of Rose Quartz, Ember McLain, Stormy and Margaret SquarePants in Latin America.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 6, 2025, 2:12 AM

[keen flax]

Til rose, ember and stormy shared a VA

But also thats awful :((

[novel bear]

Noooooooo

[silver oyster]

https://www.ign.com/articles/mass-effect-tv-series-wont-retread-shepards-story-and-will-be-set-after-the-original-trilogy

[cold sequoia]

til there's a Mass Effect tv series

it's not like they lack stuff to adapt so I'm not too worried about them choosing to not do the plot of the games

[silver oyster]

I think I'd have the same reaction if they were adapting the games

or making a prequel

I really really hope it will be good

[cold sequoia]

well they did Fallout well (imo)
it all comes down to who is actually producing and directing under the Amazon umbrella

[silver oyster]

+1 on Fallout

it's just that

this universe is such a goldmine

[cold sequoia]

It looks like they have the producer of Netflix's Daredevil onboard

unfortunately they also have Avi Arad's son as a producer...

[silver oyster]

we can only hope it won't end up being another me3/andromeda situation

[cold sequoia]

I am assuming that the show will be doing stuff before the events of the games

[buoyant scroll]

It's set post-trilogy

[cold sequoia]

it's cooked I'm afraid

[silver oyster]

it can be good

i wouldn't mind a star trek-style show in me universe

[cold sequoia]

... I see that if I had fully read the headline I would have learned this

[buoyant scroll]

xD

Give me a series about Legion and a squad of buds and call it The Legionnaires

[silver oyster]

12 episodes of the same "No data available" loop

[tight dove]

Which colored explosion is canon

[cold sequoia]

ME3 ||probably doing the destroy option||

[wraith sand]

Would it be right to consider Jack Sparrow to be an anti-hero? Or he just a full-fledged hero who happens to have a shady background?

[magic dust]

Having only seen the first 3 films myself, I'd say he never really crosses into anti-hero territory. Ultimately, I think he's too good natured, and the films themselves are too light-hearted, for that.

[dusk hound]

Love to see Milly getting more work https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1986902589468991873?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

Milly Alcock and Toni Collette will star in a new survival thriller ‘HOT MOTHER’
︀︀
︀︀The film follows a mother and daughter who visit a remote wellness spa which turns into a fight for survival when they get trapped in a sauna.
︀︀
︀︀(Source: Deadline)

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FxTwitter · Nov 7, 2025, 9:04 PM

[turbid laurel]

The Wire S1E8 ||dang, McNulty using his kids to trail a suspect is wild. I really don’t blame his wife.||

[frank quail]

||Mcnulty is a pretty bad human being. Great Po-lice though||

[feral flower]

Just watched Pluribus episode 1
Wow. That is some excellent sci-fi horror.

Also very nice seeing Rhea Seehorn again

[inland jetty]

Tmblr ads can be a true treat sometimes

[azure fern]

omg there's a pt-br parody of Epic and it's so freaking funny

[terse crystal]

Bro you have no idea

[distant birch]

My Adventures With Superman 4 (+ the very start of 5) ||I hope we dont spend too much time leaving Jimmy out of everything. Its just not a conflict I particularly enjoy||

5 ||xD this steve/jimmy adventure is fun||

MAWS 5/Dc gen ||am I right in thinking these villains are Amanda Waller and deathstroke?||

[dusk hound]

Same tags ||Mayhaps, RAFO||

[minor ledge]

wait pluribus is created by vince gilligan

[turbid narwhal]

The wire s4e2
||I'll take anyones' money if he givin' it away now - Namond
I'll take anyone’s money if he givin' it away. - Clay Davis||

||Show does such a great job of repeating some phrases but using them in different contexts. Great way to show how these grown adults like Davis still have the same mentality that a child does||

[terse crystal]

For those that have seen the movie, no she doesn’t say the curse word in this video. It’s edited out at just the right moment

https://fxtwitter.com/criterion/status/1986841643928944886?s=46&t=7rq3rvjQ6sGnDFilqY768Q

Criterion Collection (@Criterion)

Weekend plans? 🎭

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FxTwitter · Nov 7, 2025, 5:02 PM

https://tenor.com/view/guy-slamming-card-on-table-gif-21126320

[winged mountain]

Just watched the first Pluribus and it is excellent, I imagine the rest of the show will be somewhat different but I’m on board

[vocal sandal]

Hermitcraft S11 has begun 🙏🙏🙏

Very excited

[novel bear]

i should hop on it

i fell off during s10

[crimson kelp]

I am trying to focus on the hermits who don't get enough views

[timid zodiac]

Impatiently awaiting etho's upload

[vocal sandal]

You should tbh

I’m having breakfast rn, I’m going to go watch Doc’s episode after I get some work done and I am so excited

I can’t wait to see (Hermitcraft S10 Doc + Twitchcon) ||Doc rip Scar a new asshole LMFAO||

||Doc’s vagueposting has been so funny||

[frank quail]

Pluribus E1 (half way through) + ||The Expanse Books all|| ||So the mysterious signal was a DNA/protein chain definition? And it creates a hive mind? This is very protomolecule/builders coded||

boss baby moment

[topaz oyster]

I'm not sure what I was expecting from Pluribus but it wasn't this

What an odd show

[frank quail]

Downton Abby S5E1 ||I feel for her, but my god Edith has made the wrong choice about her daughter||

||On the other hand. I think Maggie Smith just called Mrs Crawley a friend "There's nothing simpler than avoiding people you don't like. Avoiding one's friends, that's the real test"||

[ivory night]

|| I had stopped watching by then but Edith making bad choices is very Edith||

[vocal sandal]

God it’s so good to be back

I’m CACKLING

[thin ridge]

Iskall was my favorite 😭
I don't watch anything he makes anymore

Mumbo HC11 ep 1 ||Whaddaya mean Gem built a starter bridge ||

[timid zodiac]

I love gem lol

[vocal sandal]

Same ):

I thankfully kinda fell off watching him a few years before the Explosion™️

[sage finch]

Predator Badlands || phenomenal film top to bottom. The music and sound design was masterfully done. Genna as a planet reminded me a lot of Patji but dialled up to 11||

[tight dove]

||its gem what do you expect||

[silver oyster]

6 episodes into the second season of mr robot and i'm enjoying it a whole lot less than the first one tbh

[west escarp]

Rewatching hbomberguy’s video about plagerism

I forgot how comprehensive his plagerism breakdown at the beginning is before he even gets to Somerton

[forest wigeon]

There's a reason it's that long

[midnight compass]

I watched that recently and it's an utterly insane video

In addition to just how far Hbomber researched all the plagiarism topics he brings up, the extent of Somerton's plagiarism is absurd

Man is gay and claims to support recognition of gay people in media but does so by stealing the work of other gay people and not recognizing their work

[minor ledge]

hbomberguy.....

i have my takes on him

[vocal sandal]

I need to watch that video at some point

[topaz oyster]

My dad, who was a Halo Enjoyer back in the day but has not played much in the way of video games in the last ~10 years, stumbled into the Halo show on Netflix

He watched the first season of it in its entirety and was appalled

He was initially surprised he hadn't heard of it from my brother or myself until he saw for himself how bad it was

He will not be watching the second season

[midnight compass]

I saw that it's on Netflix and have no interest in it still

I know there's people who enjoy it and that's perfectly fine but it's very much not for me

[crimson kelp]

I definitely enjoyed his content before everything, though mostly I feel bad that Stress decided to be collateral damage.

I think Joe Hills is my favourite, and one of the most seriously underrated / underappreciated imo.

[lucid haven]

What's your take on him

Im curious what poeples thoughts are on plubrius and what you would do in that situation because for me || I would ask so many questions about science and my past and conspiracy theories and like everything of the hive mind. So many poeple in my past I would ask about and im just curious about heaps of things. It would also be so spooky and idk if I could be sane with a scary hive mind thing||

[silver oyster]

e2 ||not even the science, but simple logistics of a hippie hivemind. how will they produce enough food for billions of people without cattle and bird farms? how do the deaths of people affect them? will hive mind progress science or just chill and smile at each other? will they keep making babies? what about people with illnesses, diseases, or disabilities? will they continue research into curing those? if the answer so, then how will they do that without animal test subjects? ||

[lucid haven]

Oh yeah totally how much of those logistics will be shown in the show will be interesting

Plubrius epp 2 || my paragraph above was more like immediate things I would ask but your totally right the logistics of it all are super interesting. Im curious as well how much the hive mind is lying or capable of lying. ||

[frank quail]

||what if they go the other way, human test subjects. How much does one body matter to them?||

[lucid haven]

On thinking more about it tho idk if the food would be an issue

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/cat-cosplay/799755365465145344

Cat Cosplay of the Feline variety.

-# #your mother was a Hamster #monty python #monty python and the holy grail #cat cosplay #cosplay #cats #kitty #cats in costumes #cats of tumblr #cat costume #funny #pet costume #knight

▶ Play video

Tumblr · Nov 9, 2025, 4:35 PM

[dusk hound]

They did Alfred so dirty oh my goodness

[agile drift]

Pluribus e1 is really cool

[lucid haven]

I really enjoyed both epps and love the premise

[crystal brook]

im going to be honest, im surprised theyre talking about 3 or 4 seasons for Pluribus

[lucid haven]

Why?

You dont think this premise has legs?

[turbid narwhal]

4 feels a bit long for this, think 3 would be fine

[crystal brook]

well we will have to see where season 1 goes but as it stands, definitely not

[lucid haven]

Its hard to judge imo with out seeing the rest of the season

[crystal brook]

Pluribus ||I think for me the premise, and I was a little hesitant before the series started as to its legs, is essentially a single Doctor Who episode||

||To make 4 seasons for me, theres going to need to be a lot of expanding||

||The first 2 episodes were wonderful though||

[turbid narwhal]

||I had the same feelings about the premise, the first two episodes won me over but it’s going to be a stretch to make this go for 4-5 seasons||

[crystal brook]

Pluribus ep 2 ||Not that I think the other unaffected people were right really, but I think the framing of the American in the Air Force One acting how she was with the American flag behind her etc, was interesting 😅 ||

[thin ridge]

TangoTek hc11 ep1 title ||WAIT HE'S DOING ANOTHER DECKED OUT!?
Like I'm super happy about that because the last one was awesome but WHAT.||

[vernal stirrup]

Hermitcraft Season 11!!

seen (and wanna watch more) grian, gem and etho thus far, but hopefully also mumbo and joel

[crimson kelp]

So far I've watched Joe, Doc, Cleo, Gem, Pearl, Mumbo, and Etho. Might be it for me. I do wanna watch Bdubs too, and maybe Grian but I feel kinda guilty watching all the people who get the most views, not like Grian needs me watching lol.

[thin ridge]

Oh Cleo! I need to watch their stuff more consistently.
I've watched Mumbo and Etho so far. I'd like to get Grian and Tango and I should add Cleo to my list but I might try to stick with just them this season so I don't get completely overwhelmed with stuff to watch

It gave me a bit of a double take when people started using they/them for Cleo but it also made me happy that they just didn't make a big deal out of it

[vocal sandal]

I’ve been watching Grian, Mumbo, Doc & Bdubs, I’m going to check out Etho & Scar’s videos too

I’ll probably end up seeing a lot more of people this season because Doc is neighboring a lot of people

[ionic lily]

I mostly watch Etho and Tango, and some Gem

[agile drift]

I'm curious if folks are watching more people's first couple episodes and then will dial it back or if y'all always watch so many?

Back when I watched hc I only ever watched grian and usually mumbo and then any other relevant perspectives for fun storylines

Maybe I'll check out some people for the new season, could be some good background noise for work

[thin ridge]

I try to keep up with a bunch of them but usually fall off at some point 😭
I just love all their different styles

[vocal sandal]

I’ve slowly expanded over the years, I have always at start of seasons tried to make efforts to watch more but often they’ve faded away

I’ve watched Mumbo, Grian, & Iskall consistently for the longest (although stopped really watching Iskall like a year and a half prior to the incident)

I started watching Doc near the end of Season 9 and have religiously watched him since, and I started watching Bdubs on and off at the start of Season 10 and since around a year ago I’ve watched a lot of his videos

I suspect I’m not going to follow through with watching Etho & Scar, but we’ll see how it goes

[vocal sandal]

If you’re looking for ‘background noise’, Doc’s a good one, he makes ~1 hour videos weekly that are at a nice pace as he pulls off some of the craziest technical shenanigans on the server

[crystal brook]

I used to watch Keralis and DMac sometimes

Never really followed any seasons of hermitcraft though

I also watched Marriland for years before he was on hermitcraft, think I had mostly stopped when he joined

[crimson kelp]

I watch a lot and usually follow them through the season. There's a lot of time in the week to cover for my second screen after all.

tho doc I usually watch at faster than 1x heh

[thin ridge]

Yeah he talks very slowly

[vocal sandal]

Yeah but I deeply enjoy the vibes

I’m fine with the slow videos, I always have a time every week where I can just sit down and watch Doc get up to whatever insanity he’s up to this week

[distant birch]

Maybe this season I'll try to keep up with more people

I think s10 I kind of slowly fell off to just grian, and so when he slowed down kind of just stopped following hc entirely

So I'd rather have multiple people to follow now

[dusk hound]

Some great fanart I thought I would share https://x.com/pizza990/status/1987552903901712825?s=46

pizza 🍕 (@pizza990)

The Big Four

X · Nov 9, 2025, 4:08 PM

[west escarp]

Marvel is lacking in a set as iconic as the Trinity or even just World’s Finest (Batman and Superman alone)

[dusk hound]

Artist is pizza990 on Twitter and all socials, he’s a really great artist so go follow him!

[verbal lintel]

Wolverine is just unfortunately doing his own thing with the mutant half of marvel 99.9999% of the time

And Spidey is only an on again off again on again off again Avenger if you want to call either Cap or Iron Man as the other point of Marvel’s top 3

[dusk hound]

I think in terms of iconic characters, DC has Marvel beat by a landslide

[west escarp]

My point wasn’t about iconic characters, it was about iconic team ups that aren’t a permanent team

[cold sequoia]

Marvel's trinity is Spider-man, Xmen, Fantastic Four

(ignoring the MCU)

[west escarp]

So not the X Men or the Justice League or the Avengers but I’d say, Spider-Man had been consistently hanging out with Captain America and Wasp for decades and everyone used them as a shorthand for “character from Marvel”

Fantastic Four are better example but they always move as a set

Also wow. Marvel really doesn’t have an iconic standalone female character equivalent to Diana do they?

[dusk hound]

MCU did wonders for the Avengers

Before that they were basically a B-team compared to the F4 and X-Men

[west escarp]

Every marvel female character is a team character first and a solo character rarely

[ionic lily]

Hero*, there’s definitely a lot of solo villains

[west escarp]

Fair but that still doesn’t make them equivalent to Wonder Woman

(I do love Emma Frost very much tho)

[minor ledge]

wonderwoman isnt big four

im sorry

its batman,supes,spiderman and maybe hulk and maybeeeeee wolverine

[ionic lily]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-frost-emma-frost-wink-marvel-rivals-gif-8209594417527485430

[dusk hound]

She absolutely is IMO

[minor ledge]

nowhere near as famous as supes,batman or spiderman

[dusk hound]

Shes an honorary UN ambassador tbf

[ionic lily]

I heard of Wonder Woman before the big movies, that makes her popular

[minor ledge]

shes popular but nowhere near as much as the other people there

[cold sequoia]

by what metrics is the Hulk more popular than Wonder Woman?

[dusk hound]

TBF I can see the conversation for Hulk but not Wolverine

[west escarp]

Wonder Woman is THE female superhero

[dusk hound]

Hulk was popular even in the 60s and 70s

[west escarp]

Nobody is doing it like her

Everyone know who Wonder Woman is

If you ask someone to name a female superhero, they’re stating with Wonder Wonan

[cold sequoia]

even if you go by just comics sales (which sort of misses the point), Hulk isn't even beating The Phantom

[west escarp]

Nobody is going start a list of superhero’s with the hulk

[dusk hound]

The only thing going against Wonder Woman is that a lot of writers over the years have struggled writing her

[west escarp]

Not even a list of avengers characters will start with the hulk

[minor ledge]

idk wolverine got so popular he ruined marvel for a bit but yeah

[minor ledge]

Since when

lmao

Hulks one of the most popular superheroes

[west escarp]

Uh since Iron Man (2009)

[ionic lily]

Hulk is not that popular

[west escarp]

Hulk is a popular supporting character but that’s kinda it

[minor ledge]

before the 2000s especially he was insanely popular

[cold sequoia]

Hulk is so popular he was the first marvel hero to be recast in the MCU

clearly more popular than Wonder Woman by that metric, she hasn't even been recast yet

[minor ledge]

if fumbling the movies insanely badly was a metric for popularity than batman would be the least popular hero ever

[dusk hound]

I feel like a lot of the Wolverine popularity hit an all time high with Hugh Jackman tbh, sure he was known before that but not by the mainstream

[west escarp]

Thank you to George Perez, Kelly Thompson, Greg Rucka, Gail Simone and of course her creator William Moulton Marston

[cold sequoia]

Wolverine was quite popular in the 90s during the trend of making everything extreme but that stuff hasn't aged well

see also: deadpool, cable, and all the other MacFarlane characters

[ionic lily]

Hulk hasn’t got a movie in the MCU since the first one everybody forgets exists

[dusk hound]

Tbh even Marston just used her because he had a thing for bondage

[west escarp]

Because they canibalized Planet Hulk for Thor Ragnarok

[minor ledge]

because movie rights problems

[cold sequoia]

but notably it was still an Xmen thing by and large, not Wolverine by himself

[west escarp]

Not true, he also had a thing for soft femdom. Sorry “loving submission to gentle female authority” which he believed would save the world

[minor ledge]

Hulk was popular enough they were able to sell his movie rights

[west escarp]

Marvel sold everyone’s movie rights in the 80s and 90s

They nearly went broke

[minor ledge]

And the movies actually came out

[west escarp]

It’s how Sony can still make spider man character movies

Never forget the glory of Morbius

[cold sequoia]

also notable that of the non Marvel produced Marvel movies in the 2000s, The Incredible Hulk was uh... not the most popular

[dusk hound]

Man was a hero

He also invented the lie detector test

[west escarp]

Which notably doesn’t work

Since we’re talking about Wonder Woman just going to share this now

[minor ledge]

Wonder woman is popular but not big 4 popular

[cold sequoia]

Box Office Grosses for nonMCU Marvel movies in the late 2010s:
X-men Last Stand (2006) - $460 million
Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $896 million
The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $266 million
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $302 million (this is truly damning because this movie really stinks)

[minor ledge]

because all of her villains are really bad

[dusk hound]

0 respect for Mouse Man smh

[cold sequoia]

one would expect the 4th most popular superhero to do a bit better than this

[west escarp]

0 respect for Dr Psycho, which is the correct amount of respect for him

[cold sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-psycho-harley-quinn-serie-harley-quinn-dc-batman-gif-17999409

[minor ledge]

yeah one would expect superman to do better than36.7m in 1987 money

[cold sequoia]

I'm not sure what point you are making, Superman IV was horrible and performed horribly

most of the movies I listed were also not well received and yet handily beat the Hulk movie

[west escarp]

Superman IV: The One Where He Throws the Nukes into the Sun

all of them

He throws all the nukes into the sun and this saves the day somehow

[cold sequoia]

do you perhaps have a movie from the correct millennium which demonstrates your point?

[minor ledge]

my point is that box office numbers demonstrate nothing

[dusk hound]

Superman IV was a hot pile of garbage but it did give us this actually amazing scene https://youtu.be/v53yiG9-_xs?si=AHuM4khDe0Pli1Fb

[cold sequoia]

they demonstrate that people didn't want to see a movie about the Hulk

in fact they were more willing to see a movie that featured this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8qhUi9y1k

[minor ledge]

Aquaman is obviouslly the most famous DC character

[cold sequoia]

if you want more I can do more:
Hulk (2003) - $245.3 million
X2 (2003) - $407.7 million
Spider-Man (2002) - $826.8 million

[minor ledge]

my point is box office numbers /=/ fame

[cold sequoia]

we've asked several times what you think does = fame

[west escarp]

1970s Superman and Lex Luthor: why won’t this guy let me get away with various forms of land fraud???? He doesn’t even really seem invested in stopping me???
2020s Superman and Lex Luthor: I created ||a whole war ||to kill a guy who hasn’t even heard of me!!! I hate him so much!!!

[minor ledge]

recognizinability

[cold sequoia]

do you have anything to back up your position?

if not, I think I will have to quote you and say "lmao"

[minor ledge]

if were assuming like western traditional superheroes right i should clarify this is important for my argument

[cold sequoia]

well we aren't talking about Mickey Mouse or Goku so

[west escarp]

Goku sweeps any western comic book character easily

He’s so insanely famous it isn’t even fair

You can go anywhere in the world and see Goku graffiti

[cold sequoia]

Goku, Hello Kitty, and many Pokemon

[west escarp]

I saw Goku graffiti in Athens and in Mexico City

[minor ledge]

atp luffy is more famous than goku i feel

[west escarp]

Hello Kitty isn’t a superhero. She’s a normal young girl who happens to be cat

[cold sequoia]

is Goku a superhero?

[west escarp]

Close enough

He fights people with his better than normal human abilities

[minor ledge]

if gokus a superhero sun wukong is and he clears everything else weve talked about so far

[west escarp]

Goku is Sun Wukong

[cold sequoia]

I imagine that many more people who know Sun Wukong also know Goku than the reverse

[minor ledge]

What????

insane take

[cold sequoia]

I'm aware how popular Sun Wukong is in china

I am saying that I imagine that Goku is also popular in china

and outside of china Goku is much more popular than Sun Wukong

[minor ledge]

Probably one of the most famous characters in history lmao

[cold sequoia]

.

[cold sequoia]

we aren't talking about history, obviously Sun Wukong has an advantage by being a foundational myth in one of the most populous and oldest cultures in history where as Goku was created in the 1900s

[sage finch]

Got a free trial for Apple TV to watch pluribus

[minor ledge]

and honestly i wouldnt call goku the most popular manga character either

[placid river]

I can’t thing of a single one above him

[minor ledge]

luffy from onepiece

[placid river]

Is less popular than Goku

Not even close

[minor ledge]

I mean

[west escarp]

Sailor Moon is more popular than Luffy

[minor ledge]

look at recent happenings in indonesia and nepal

[west escarp]

And even she’s less famous than Goku

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Dragon_Ball#:~:text=Mexico has more Dragon Ball,due to his popularity there.

[minor ledge]

I mean noones flying a goku flag at revolutions

[west escarp]

Goku doesn’t have a flag

Also why would you even fly an anime flag at a protest

[minor ledge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_Hat_Pirates'_Jolly_Roger

[paper hull]

Goku is less politically charged as a character than Luffy.

[novel bear]

in terms of sales for their original series, OP is at around 5 million per volume average, while DB is around 6 million per

i'd say DB probably still wins in considering it's just been around for longer and thus has more cross-generational popularity, but it's closer than you'd think, and depends a lot on which country you're asking about

[novel bear]

i also don't think i'd agree with this

[minor ledge]

if were using this argument goku was inspired by sun wukong

[west escarp]

Yes, I know

[oak ivy]

Also there is no concept of a baseline wonder woman story

[cold sequoia]

most heros lack such a baseline story

Batman comes to mind as one who has one: the detective story

[minor ledge]

Batman, superman,spiderman have them

[cold sequoia]

Spider-man doesn't have a baseline story, he has the general characterization as "young, working class superhero"

and that is by no means universal to his characterization

[west escarp]

There is. She is molded from clay and magically given life. Later, Steve Trevor washed up on Paradise Island. Diana wins a contest and the right to return him to Man’s World and travels there to become a hero

[minor ledge]

Comic fans will know that sure but like normal people dont

Most people know that batmans parents died or that superman was an alien who came to earth

[cold sequoia]

implying that most people know what wolverine's origin story is

most xmen writers don't even know what his origin is

[minor ledge]

yeah but xmen writers are idiots

[cold sequoia]

do you know what his origin story is?

||this is a bit of a trick question, Wolverine has a canonically varying origin story ||

[minor ledge]

gets chemical bath

[cold sequoia]

Wolverine ||in most version of the canon he was already a mutant with a healing factor. Depending on what version you read he also had claws||

||I'm not sure what chemical bath you are referring to, do you mean where he got the adamantium skeleton?||

[minor ledge]

claws was the bath right i dont remember i purposefully avoid xmen stuff

[lucid haven]

You doubt just how popular the xmen movies were

?

They explained his background extensively in those movies

[minor ledge]

nah im saying wolverine is popular

[cold sequoia]

I think at least as many people know the "came from an island of women" for WW as know the "uh... chemical bath?" for Wolverine

[lucid haven]

Most ppl could easly say uuhh healing factor metal claws someone put in him i rekon not even chemical bath

Just like "old man cant die claws metal someone put them in him" if you just grab a random off the street and ask what his background is and who he is

[cold sequoia]

yeah I doubt that "most people" could do that

[lucid haven]

Really?

[cold sequoia]

I imagine most people wouldn't even know the name if you showed them a picture

[lucid haven]

Are we just too many years from the og xmen movies now ?

[cold sequoia]

the og xmen movies were not seen by most people

even if we were days removed from them coming out my opinion wouldn't change

[minor ledge]

What???

[lucid haven]

Nah I put some heavy doubt on that statement

[cold sequoia]

you think that at least 50% of the world's population saw Brian Singer's Xmen?

[lucid haven]

The og xmen movies were mega popular at the time

[cold sequoia]

even just 50% of the US population?

[lucid haven]

That is not what im saying

Smh my head

[sage finch]

Pluribus ep 2 ||this show is so damn interesting. This dinner scene is phenomenal||

[lucid haven]

I know right I just cant get the what if I was there, what would I do questions out of my head

[minor ledge]

Anyway i already said this but its the big 3 and then for a fourth most popualr its kinda hard

[lucid haven]

Plubrius ep 2 || I just really dont know what comes next for this show, which is fascinating really looking forward to epp 3||

[minor ledge]

Even then the drop off from superman to batman and spiderman is not negligible

[cold sequoia]

spider-man is above superman and batman

the drop off is from batman to superman

[minor ledge]

No

Supermans by far the most famous

[dusk hound]

I think Spider-Man and Batman have him beat in the famous department tbh

[cold sequoia]

nope, Superman for a while (and still is to an extent) was viewed as too American to really be globally popular

[sage finch]

Pluribus ep 2 ||why don’t they just kiss the others to join them?? Worked well enough in the beginning||

[minor ledge]

ehhhhhhh i dont agree with this

[cold sequoia]

even if you just look at the comics, Batman typically has two monthly solo series (Batman and Detective Comics) as well as his team up series with Superman where as Superman just has the one solo series (also currently they both have Absolute runs)

[lucid haven]

Superman
​Spider-Man
​Batman
​Wonder Woman
​Iron Man
​Captain America
​Hulk
​Wolverine
​The Flash
​Thor

I think that's my list in order

[minor ledge]

supermans probably one of if not the most famous american made fictional character

[lucid haven]

Yeah superman is easly the most popular and well known superhero

[cold sequoia]

not only is he not the most famous DC character, but no DC character can beat Disney's heavy hitters (specifically Mickey Mouse)

[minor ledge]

Mickey mouse isnt even the most famous person in the mickey mouse universe

thats donald duck

[sage finch]

Pluribus ||carol is super unlikeable I must say||

[cold sequoia]

good point, he's also probably more well known than Superman

[lucid haven]

Idk if I agree with this

[minor ledge]

cause like 99% of the world does not care about mickey mouse

[cold sequoia]

but more to the point, Spider-man is also more popular
Darth Vader is as well I'd guess

[minor ledge]

you understimate supermans popularity

[lucid haven]

Oh so like what are we actually discussing here i thought it was like just super heroes

[cold sequoia]

started with discussion about the top 4 western superheros

[lucid haven]

Easly superman, Spiderman, batman then wonder woman in that order

[cold sequoia]

nice, checkpointed to about 2 hours ago

I'll let you guys continue from here

[minor ledge]

wonder woman is not that famous

famous and a S lister sure but not top 4

[placid river]

Hulk ain’t doing this:

[ionic lily]

I’m not sure about that post MCU

[velvet oriole]

Fallout ep2 ||What do you want with Moldaver? She steals dads. ||

||🪚 ||

[sage finch]

Severance s1e2 ||major Control vibes from this show. When Mark was talking to the Board I expected to hear the Board from Control lol||

[sage finch]

Severance s1e3 ||the amount of times mark has saved helly’s life in 2 eps is quite amazing. I’ll have no sympathy for her when she inevitably gets caught||

[pine flicker]

gonna be gonna be golden

what it sounds like is my favorite song

[main dew]

Hazbin Hotel S2 ||Just realised Lute is called Lute because she's Adams lieutenant||

||(pronounced the American way)||

[west escarp]

https://youtu.be/9vST6hVRj2A?si=1TSD-Lygjs4-aRn6

50 years ago last night and today

[west escarp]

Happy Circulatory System in the Kitchen Day!

[terse crystal]

https://boxd.it/bFxIir

Almost like an IRL Rashomon

[dusk hound]

I too have circulatory systems walk through my kitchen on November 10th

[sage finch]

Severance s1e7 ||I wish they’d cast Donald Glover as Mr Milcheck. The music dance experience was so jokes||

[acoustic pewter]

||But Tramell Tillman is so perfect as him!||

[lucid haven]

I think that actor is in enough things

Idk if I need him in EVERYTHING

[sage finch]

He is, but I keep imagining Donald lol

[acoustic pewter]

My dad and I cheered when Tramell Tillman showed up in the last Mission Impossible movie. He's such a good actor and it's cool to see him outside of his star-making role.

[dusk hound]

They need to introduce Darkseid through this show https://x.com/screentime/status/1987999811019174160?s=46

ScreenTime (@screentime)

'JIMMY OLSEN' series is in the works at DC Studios

▪️ Dan Perrault and Tony Yacenda (American Vandal) will write, executive produce, and show run

▪️ Reporters tackling cases involving super powered villains

▪️ Gorilla Grodd will be involved

(via: The Hollywood Reporter)

X · Nov 10, 2025, 9:44 PM

Just the way Jack Kirby intended

[sage finch]

Severance s1e7 ||his wife is Ms Casey?? 😱 the plot thickens ||

[minor ledge]

ofc grodd is involved

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/ferenhights/788998959748333568/she-won-the-kids-in-the-divorce

Feren

She won the kids in the divorce

-# #kpop demon hunters #kpdh #rumi kpdh #kpdh derpy #kpdh fanart #derpy tiger #Rumi #kpdh sussie #fanart #digital art #if I can will it into being I’ve got a sequel for this art in the mind dungeon #my art

Tumblr · Jul 13, 2025, 11:07 PM

[sage finch]

Severance s1e8 ||I hope ricken finds out how his book is treated as gospel by the innies 😂||

[inland jetty]

On the one hand, I feel like I should get back to Severance one of these days. I stopped on like... episode 6 or something, the last thing I remember is (Severance season 1) ||the neughbor/boss lady drilling into the former coworker's head at his funeral to steal his chip||. But on the other hand... Eh. I've got other things I wanna see/read/play too, and tv just isn't a medium that's ever able to keep my attention

[cold sequoia]

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/v-for-vendetta-tv-series-hbo-1236572917

Alan Moore felt a great disturbance in aetheric energies

[west escarp]

Alan Moore is developing a new list of people to curse

[sacred slate]

They are already cursed. That is why their fate is to make this adaptation.

[west escarp]

They can get more cursed

[sage finch]

Severance s1e9 ||15 mins in and this is the best episode I’ve seen so far ong||

[sage finch]

I haven’t been on the edge of my seat this hard in a while

[acoustic pewter]

Right?! So good.

[minor ledge]

watching band of brothers so hard to take sobel aeriousyl when hes portrayed by the same actor as ross from friends

[terse crystal]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/tatsuya-nakadai-dead-japanese-actor-ran-harakiri-1236423464/

[merry heath]

Plurbius 1.1 ||Ok this is super cool so far, amazing cinematography and and acting as to be expected and Im intresyed so far in the premise of like a singular person not affected by a hivemind virus? Also the infected are super creepy||

Plurbius 1.1 ||Ok so it seems like the hive knows her in particular?||

[lucid haven]

cant stop thinking about this show

[terse crystal]

even more sad movie news
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-kite-runner-taste-of-cherry-star-homayoun-ershadi-dead/

[dusk hound]

Toy Story should have ended with 3 https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1988338187845201929?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

First teaser for ‘TOY STORY 5’
︀︀
︀︀In theaters on June 19, 2026.

**💬 43 🔁 87 ❤️ 563 👁️ 6.0K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Nov 11, 2025, 8:09 PM

[winged mountain]

I don't think I even watched past the first one, but don't really care if they milk it

[frail mulch]

I never saw 4

[hushed moss]

4 is very good in my opinion. But like 3 it was also a very conclusive and beautiful ending. I think there is a chance they will get that lightning in a bottle perfect ending again, but I have to ask, why risk the reputation of the franchise for that chance.

[tight dove]

Yeah 4 was p good but it didnt need to exist

[cold sequoia]

because Inside Out 2 made a bazillion dollars

there is an appetite for sequels to their movies that seemed to have a definitive end

[hushed moss]

Also the whole “tech is going to replace the toys” thing is kind of retreading old ground as they already made fairly good TV movie about that.

[hushed moss]

I mean no movie needs to exist. I think 4 does enough new and interesting things to justify its existence. But that’s just my feelings.

I know people who think 3 didn’t need to exist.

[molten jetty]

I hated 4 with a passion

I think 3 was a good endpoint

[hushed moss]

4 is probably not my favorite, that is either 2 or 3. But I think the message 4 has about self worth is really important, ||especially when you consider that Woody has constantly defined his worth in relation to his kid. And each movie is him growing in that aspect.||

I do understand not liking 4 because of feeling that it contradicts 2, but ||I see Woodys choice in 2 being him chosing how the people who care about him value him (Andy, Buzz, the rest of the gang) even if it might not last forever, over the way the way the world literally values him.||

Also I get finding Forky annoying.

But the fact that 5 is somehow bringing ||Woody back|| makes me concerned. So low hopes.

[molten jetty]

I dont like 4 because ||I think it’s thematically disrespectful. The whole point of 3 was Andy growing up and passing the toys onto a new kid who could cherish them and love Woody like he did. It’s a new beginning and a perfect ending. 4 ruins this in every way. ||

[hushed moss]

Fair ||but kids are going to be kids. They play with the toys that they want to play with, and we know from other Toys Story stuff that she did play with Woody for a while, but he wasn’t her favorite and she moved on. That isn’t and shouldn’t be a mark against her. It just leads to Woody learning that he can make the choice to move on as well. I think if Andy knew where he was at the end of 5, he would be happy (If he doesn’t get traumatized by learning that the toys were alive)||

[wet quest]

I liked 4.
I don't remember it at all, but I liked going to watch it in college with friends.
I did not however, like the puppets

[lucid haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLVdWyNljP8 love this

so much of what brennan says resonates deep in my soul

[full wolf]

mmmmm do i like brennan enough to be willing to watch mythical kitchen... i am going to have to think about that one

[lucid haven]

this is for referance the 1st time i havent gotten the ick from the other guy hes sitting next to if thats anything

most of the time i get the ick from that guy so fast but idk mabey brennan was enough of a vibe to help my brain cancel out the ick

if that makes any sense

[full wolf]

well that's good, yeah i do not like josh's vibes usually

there's just something about the way he acts that gives me a bad feeling

[lucid haven]

he gives me vibes that there is something behind his eyes that would mean he is a person i dont like irl

its so hard to put that on poeple sometimes but theres just something about him that makes me not want to be around him or listen to him

[gritty sierra]

this is stellar brennan btw

you'd be missing out

[lucid haven]

Agreed this has so so many history of brennan facts and just brenannisms and other stuff like that

[west escarp]

Even cats with alien magic rings are just cats

Dex-Starr the red lantern

[buoyant scroll]

Dex 😭

[hushed moss]

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/dc-crime-hbo-max-american-vandal-gorilla-grodd-1236574395/

[agile drift]

this is interesting to hear because I've started to really enjoy these videos, they're great background noise for when I'm at work. Though I will say he feels like he's trying to be Sean Evans and it doesn't work quite as well

Sean Evans has such Just A Guy energy that works great for Hot Ones and really disarms the guest, and Josh doesn't quite have it I think

But I listened to the Alan Tudyk and Matpat ones today and they were great, a lot of really genuine stuff they talk about

[gritty sierra]

i definitely think the Last Meal series is pretty good stuff

a little surprised to see it come from Mythical, but not a complaint

[dusk hound]

Superman: “I wonder how I can stop Lex Luthor from destroying Metropolis”

Average Jimmy Olsen subplot:

[hushed moss]

I must admit I am not sure about the power balance between Jimmy and Gorilla Grod.

Maybe they should do someone more on Jimmy’s level. Like Darkside

[dusk hound]

Gorilla Grodd will obviously be hunting down Barack Obama https://youtu.be/tzPQkm9_tPc?si=DiCGtUzHMSPrvLDs

[minor ledge]

cw moment

[west escarp]

One of the best bits on Legends of Tomorrow

Iconic

https://www.tumblr.com/mamawasatesttube/787539664517136384/guys-we-have-to-cancel-hal-jordan-like-yeah-i

superboy superfan!

guys we have to cancel hal jordan. like yeah i know he killed a bunch of people and tried to reset the universe but then he got better and all that, but actually we have to cancel him again because...

Tumblr · Jun 27, 2025, 8:32 PM

[full wolf]

fell down the hole of watching hbomb's plagiarism video again and it was honestly surreal knowing it's not even two years old but how different it is to catch people who don't write their own stuff because genAI has taken over everything now

lazy hacks don't even do the bare minimum work of finding their own sources to steal from anymore, they just ask an ai to steal it and regurgitate it for them 😔

hbomb's video is still great though 🙏

[agile drift]

Poldark 1.8 ||I didn't realize this was the finale. Crazy episode. I can't believe they killed off his baby. Shout out to Demelza for being consistently in the running for best character (she's behind Verity for me just a little bit, even though she's making dumb choices)||

[sage finch]

Severance all ||why’d they decide to use a camcorder for the convo between mark innie and outie? Smart phones exist in this show, it woulda been so much easier lol…||

[wise epoch]

HAZBIN HOTEL S2E5 LET'S GOOOOOOO
NOW I KNOW IT COMES OUT AT 1 AM AND NOT 1 PM

Hazbin S2E5 ||Oooh, I love the idea that Lucifer's punishment is that he is the king of Hell, but he's completely impotent and is forced to just DEAL with sinners, he can't hurt them in any way. Also a good way to make it so that he can't just negate the threat of Vox and Alastor when they eventually start causing problems.||

||Oooh is Alastor trying to turn Valentino and Velvette against Vox.||

||OH MY GOD VOX POPULI IS POPPING OFF INSTANTLY THIS IS A BANGER ALREADY FIVE SECOND IN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA||

||"You're apologizing for genocide with gift baskets?!"
Vox makes a good argument||

Alright
Vox is an awesome god damn villain
I didn't believe in the vision, and I'm sorry
This is so good

[wise epoch]

Hazbin S2E6 ||OH WHAT THE HELL, VOX HAS BEEN USING ANGEL AS A SPY THE WHOLE DAMN TIME?!||
Hazbin S2E6/Trails in the Sky FC ||VOX HAS BEEN DOING SOME WEISSMAN NONSENSE||

Hazbin S2 is awesome

[verbal lintel]

It’s basically because YouTube themselves out and clarified this little line I’m highlighting.
“Transformative work” means they’ll allow it. If it was an article, then the transformation is turning it to video

Ethically bad, legally permissible.
And you know people, as long as it’s legal they’ll do it to make money which is why hbomb’s video feels more like a relic of a previous era every day in the YouTube landscape

[frank quail]

you say that like it was common for people like Somerton to get in legal trouble before AI

[verbal lintel]

Oh no, what I mean beforehand was it was just a few channels since before YouTube never outright clarified what that vague ass rule 1 means in fair use

Don’t wanna overstep a rule you don’t know the full extent of

After they outright said “yah just turning it into a video is enough”, that broke the damn

The genie is out of the bottle now with that decision and it can never be put back

[lucid haven]

Severance all ||Honestly theres a lot of weird unexplained tech things, so that kinda thing is unexplained. ||

[distant birch]

Not the official Amazon account posting clips from the new hazbin episodes only like 4 hours after release

[distant birch]

Hazbin 2x05 ||god vox is so good.||

||wait do both seasons have episode 5 as their lucifer episode||

||oh theyre going to the war rally. what could go wrong||

||vox kinda has a point...||

2x05 ||this is a weak apology||

||holy storms vox 💀 ||

||also I mightve misheard but did he call himself the fuhrer???||

||ok apparently that was a mishearing||

[terse crystal]

https://x.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1988450660056965619?s=20

The Hollywood Handle (@HollywoodHandle)

‘AVATAR: FIRE AND ASH’ final runtime is of 3 hours & 15 minutes.

The longest film in the trilogy.

(Via: https://t.co/o0BnQ5R1gu)

X · Nov 12, 2025, 3:35 AM

[frank quail]

that feels like too many hours

will cinemas have an intermission?

[lucid haven]

Im always up for a long visual spectacle

[novel bear]

i thought they were making five movies what do they mean trilogy

[terse crystal]

Might be a error on the accounts part

[frank quail]

WP says film 4 is in filming, and 5 is in development

[ripe stag]

They're doing 5!?

[dusk hound]

Actually looks really good https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1988609938747433398?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

The first trailer for ‘THE SUPER MARIO GALAXY MOVIE’ has been released.
︀︀
︀︀In theaters on April 3, 2026.

**💬 338 🔁 3.8K ❤️ 27.3K 👁️ 535.4K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Nov 12, 2025, 2:08 PM

[keen flax]

The first one was great

The credits song made me nearly cry so this one is gonna make me a nostalgic train wreck

[frank quail]

there's even a plan beyond "hey you should make 5 movies"

4 ||has a timeskip to account for the child actors growing up||
5 ||is planned to go to earth||

[ripe stag]

exhales in a long and weary sigh

[terse crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348247121205657601/1438184138380283987/image.png?ex=6915f4da&is=6914a35a&hm=ed5a6fba52db508a220c40fe9f0222d4417321713018504bef93a6d554019073&

Lmao

Noted director of family friendly films like Good Time and Uncut Gems

[buoyant scroll]

oh hell yes
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CaSxNAZUKsM&si=e9e43iklk_jVr7Gx

[civic trellis]

Man, I only found out that a third Avatar movie existed when my coworker mentioned it today, and it's apparently coming out next month?

Also, are they seriously going with four elements theme? ATLA called, they want their name and magic system back

[buoyant scroll]

Cameron started working on the whole saga immediately

[civic trellis]

sheesh, bold

probably well-earned confidence, given those movies make their money back and then some, but still, bold

...also, if last movie was water and this one is fire, which element is movie 1?

or is it like eevee, you get the base version first before they evolve into your vaporeons and flareons and whatever the air variant is?

[buoyant scroll]

I think movie 2 established they were air from what ive heard

still havent seen it

[lucid haven]

air, water, fire, earth, heart?

1st one is totally air

honestly tho i really like the worldbuilding and the visual spectacle of it all

so ill keep going back to cinemas and watching these because they keep delivering on that promise of fun worldbuilding and amazing visual spectacles

[buoyant scroll]

Apparently part of the fifth movie will take place on Earth, wild

tentative title, "The Quest for Eywa"

[winged mountain]

I think they actually said much of the fourth movie too

maybe the Avatars will invade Earth and the noble humans have to fight them off

with beautiful mecha CGI

[buoyant scroll]

The Earth stuff in the fifth is Neytiri visiting

[winged mountain]

but yeah, I think Cameron has hoped for at least 5 movies ever since the first one was successful, with the understanding that if 2 bombed, they might still finish 3 but probably not 4 and 5

[buoyant scroll]

Theyve already filmed a third of 4 if i understand correctly

[winged mountain]

indeed, though I think that remained true that they wouldn't have actually finished the footage, they just had principal photography done

[wise epoch]

He did

[winged mountain]

doesn't matter now, the second movie was a success and the rest is greenlit now

[forest wigeon]

It's really funny how the Avatar movies are extremely popular exclusively because of the visual spectacle

Nobody cares about the storytelling or anything

[buoyant scroll]

i, dont know that that's true

[wise epoch]

Actually that is a different word

[buoyant scroll]

i definitely see people discussing the characters and story

[winged mountain]

I think Cameron just understands how to tell a very simple story and not screw it up or overcomplicate it

like it would be so easy to screw up Avatar's storytelling and make people less interested in watching it

[wise epoch]

OH MY GOD ||I MISSED THAT VOD SAID "WE'LL MAKE HELL GREAT AGAIN" IN VOX POPULI|| Hazbin S2E5

[paper hull]

I deeply dislike / hate the worldbuilding of Avatar and while the spectacle of the first movie was impressive for its time at this point I don't consider them exceptional.

[topaz oyster]

I went back and rewatched it several years ago and the CGI was wildly out of date

[paper hull]

It's got this thin veneer of hard scifi to it that gets ignored so flippantly that it feels disrespectful to people who actually care about hard scifi as a genre.

I'm really hoping the Project Hail Mary movie is good and lives up to the book tho. That will be a big mainstream W for hard scifi fans.

[topaz oyster]

I'd be a little surprised if they meaningfully bungled it

Hollywood is for whatever reason consistently good at adapting sci-fi

And of course The Martian is excellent

PHM plays to established core competencies

[paper hull]

The trailer looks very good at least.

[cold sequoia]

I feel like 90% of the credit goes to Kubrick doing 2001 and treating it seriously

if there were a similar adaptation of a fantasy book back in the day then I think Hollywood would be better at those adaptations imo

[topaz oyster]

And Star Trek

Not an adaptation but laid the foundation for proficiency in sci-fi

Can't think of a mid/late 60s analogue for fantasy

[cold sequoia]

Jason and the Argonauts

granted that's got the veneer of Historical Epic which hollywood was well versed in already

but it was absolutely a special effects master class in a similar way that Star Wars was for sci fi

[oak ivy]

i think it depends on what you call fantasy. do greek epic retellings or Shakespeare adaptions count?

[topaz oyster]

I do very much mean in the modern sense

[oak ivy]

then yes I agree

i think things like the western clogged up what would have been epic fantasy's market

[topaz oyster]

It is a different kind of story than the Shakespearean or epic stuff and Hollywood just hasn't ever really figured out how to make that happen with several specific notable exceptions

[cold sequoia]

Historical Epic was more the thing that sponged up potential fantasy adaptations (also the fact that sci fi as a genre was just seen as slightly higher class)

[frank quail]

Why is LOTR ineligible?

[cold sequoia]

It's 1990s

Unless you mean why was it ineligible for adaptation earlier

[frank quail]

No, I meant for this discussion

[cold sequoia]

The discussion began by talking about how Hollywood has a longer track record of good sci fi adaptation compared to fantasy adaptation

So its eligible but also sort of the first (other than something like Wizard of Oz)

[topaz oyster]

It isn't. It is one of the notable exceptions

There was nothing like Lord of the Rings prior and there's been really nothing since

Game of Thrones is the other one and it inspired a number of notable clones all of which seem to be on their last legs if they exist at all anymore

[frank quail]

including GoT itself

[oak ivy]

LOTR was a unique culutural moment that could not even be replicated with the Hobbit

[ionic lily]

Does Disney count as fantasy adaptations of Hans Christian Anderson?

[cold sequoia]

Animation is different imo

[ionic lily]

Similarly, the Wizard of Oz

[topaz oyster]

I think they'd file it under "fairy tale" rather than "fantasy"

[cold sequoia]

Wizard of Oz counts, as does Jason and the Argonauts (imo)

[topaz oyster]

Which like what's the difference but also I think we all know the difference

[oak ivy]

whereas it seems there is a prestige sci fi film every few years (dune, interstellar, blade runner 2049, etc...)

[topaz oyster]

The mid-2000s were mad with sci fi adaptations

[oak ivy]

those star trek movies that were never that good

[ionic lily]

How dare you

[oak ivy]

the fantasy equivalent of that never gets made

[ionic lily]

Just ignore the odd numbered ones

[topaz oyster]

Harry Potter is another elephant in the room but I think can reasonably be said to be distinct from the rest of the modern fantasy movement especially as compared to fantasy of the last ~30 years

[oak ivy]

you could probably tie that more into the YA wave

hunger games and so on

[agile drift]

It's also not really high fantasy, which I think is what people are looking for more in a fantasy film

[oak ivy]

i think for whatever reason mainstream audience have a block around secondary world stories. plenty try to make it "our world but different" to dodge that label

[minor ledge]

well harryp otter was popular but not good

[topaz oyster]

I don't think you even need that distinction. The closest analogue from "traditional" modern fantasy I can think of to Harry Potter is that misbegotten Dresden Files show

[oak ivy]

there has to be another dresden adaptation on the horizon

i can smell it

[topaz oyster]

I can't. I think all fantasy adaptations are off the table for the foreseeable future

And I don't think Dresden would be near the top of that pile anyway

[oak ivy]

wot really had terrible timing

[minor ledge]

fantasy really struggles in the movie market

[frank quail]

I do find it interesting that all the big fantasy movies are classed as exceptions .
Don't know that it's wrong to do so, but...

[topaz oyster]

They are in that they are sort of a once a decade phenomenon

[oak ivy]

what even are the best fantasy films of all time

[crimson kelp]

amazon threw wot under the bus because they're in way too deep with RoP IMO

[oak ivy]

with sci fi you just end up listing what are considered the best movies of all time

[heavy anchor]

Lord of the rings

[ionic lily]

Wot threw itself under the bus with that writing

[oak ivy]

not so with fantasy, i think, excepting lotr (which is overrated anyways)

[topaz oyster]

Are they? Hating LotR is the modern edgy take these days, it has plenty of voice at the table

[heavy anchor]

What is there to over rate

[ionic lily]

A couple of the Narnia movies were good

[heavy anchor]

The battles are amazing, the visuals are fantastic, the story is amazing

It's a true epic, well produced and brilliantly acted in every sense

[frank quail]

I think the haters might disagree with you on all of that steel

[topaz oyster]

The commonly cited "Jackson's LotR is Bad Actually" takes revolve around cutting Tom Bombadil, how Aragorn's story is presented, and "mishandling" Faramir and Theoden

[crimson kelp]

not the channel for an extensive debate on the subject but the main thing I will say for amazon giving WoT a lack of support is how it wasn't pushed for any awards - at the very least the costuming (especially the costuming), set design, visual, and practical effects were great and should have been put forward and lobbied for various awards by the studio.

[heavy anchor]

Pfft as if there's any modern movie battle that holds up to helms deep

[oak ivy]

i think the lotr is like an 8/10 film trilogy and probably better than the books

[gritty sierra]

10 year old Grey's agonies: Treebeard's eyes weren't green!

[heavy anchor]

Also, cutting tom is controversial???

[midnight compass]

This convo does actually have me trying to think of fantasy movies that were big hits other than LotR and I legitimately can't think of anything

[frank quail]

Incredibly so

[oak ivy]

see!

[topaz oyster]

stares into the middle distance, reflecting that Helm's Deep is no longer considered modern

[oak ivy]

its a classic car at this point

[heavy anchor]

It's 20 years old

[topaz oyster]

They are sometimes in the extendeds, Gollum and Treebeard both have shifting eye color depending on the scene. Or at least they used to

[heavy anchor]

If it were to be made today there would be way more CGI

[crimson kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-24973773

[heavy anchor]

None of those beautiful miniature sets

[oak ivy]

idk why everyone is surprised, Endgame is six years old

[topaz oyster]

I don't know if more modern publications have fixed this but sometimes Gollum's eyes are brown and sometimes they're blue

[ionic lily]

I can think of lots of fantasy adaptations that are animated

[oak ivy]

there is a world where fantasy took over TV but it never quite got there

the witcher somehow got four seasons

[topaz oyster]

Five

[oak ivy]

bruh

how

[topaz oyster]

Next season is already in the tank

[heavy anchor]

[topaz oyster]

They filmed it in one shot

[ionic lily]

His Dark Materials was great

[midnight compass]

Hobbit is a LotR extension and wasn't nearly as well recieved, Harry Potter probably counts but is more urban fantasy, Narnia was fun but not that big these days, Percy Jackson and Avatar are trainwrecks, probably more stuff I'm forgetting

[gritty sierra]

is there any fantasy even that isn't an adaptation? scifi has its adaptations but also a world of stuff that was film only/film first

[midnight compass]

Fantasy TV adaptations are doing a bit better but we just covered several failed attempts in recent years

[heavy anchor]

Huh

[topaz oyster]

There's also the whole conversation about how Game of Thrones got what Hollywood thinks of as "the football crowd" because it had sex in it, or at least that's the story they told themselves when GoT was at its peak and foiling every convention Hollywood had about classifying audiences

[heavy anchor]

I can't think of any

[winged mountain]

were some of the old things like Highlander adaptations?

[heavy anchor]

At least not more classic type fantasy

[ionic lily]

Most Ghibli movies , on the animated side

[midnight compass]

And fantasy animation (both TV and film) is fantastic but stuck with the stereotypes of being for kids

[gritty sierra]

for the purposes of this convo, i'm not counting outside hollywood nor animated

[crimson kelp]

For whatever reason sci fi just has a much better reputation than fantasy, people have different preconceptions.

[topaz oyster]

There've been some truly abysmal soapy TV shows as well

[heavy anchor]

The only thing I can think of is the sorcerers apprentice

[gritty sierra]

there has been TERRIBLE scifi tv, but like... imagine if that's all that scifi had, was like, Andromeda

[topaz oyster]

Legend of the Seeker comes to mind

[heavy anchor]

And that didn't do very well lol

[ionic lily]

Pirates of the Caribbean, if you consider that an adaptation.

[cold sequoia]

Goes back to pre movie times

[midnight compass]

Oh my gosh I forgot that movie

[molten jetty]

I wonder if it’s because there haven’t been good fantasy movies, audiences don’t care for fantasy movies (seeing it as “nerdy stuff” that is pointless compared to “intelligent” scifi), or Hollywood just assumes audiences won’t go watch fantasy

[gritty sierra]

featuring Kevin Sorbo

[molten jetty]

Probably a little bit of all that

[winged mountain]

it was the adaptation those books deserved tbf

[heavy anchor]

Fun fact, I actually witnessed the car chase scene being filmed when I was like 7 in NYC

[crimson kelp]

I would rather not imagine that world Grey

[cold sequoia]

Fantasy was for kids
Science Fiction (could be) for the discerning gentleman

[topaz oyster]

I think that's actually still more fairy tale than fantasy

[topaz oyster]

It was an adaptation????

lmao

[molten jetty]

I think that’s the vibe yeah

[winged mountain]

It was a Terry Goodkind adaptation yeah

[ionic lily]

I love that movie, but it is technically an adaptation

[molten jetty]

In a similar way The Boys or Deadpool become popular because it’s for “adults” unlike those kiddy stupid comic book movies

Look at Game of Thrones

It’s popularity comes from gore and sex in a lot of ways

The fantasy elements are almost secondary

[heavy anchor]

Only technically, it really was mostly trying to be its own thing

[ionic lily]

Game of Thrones toned down the gore and sex after the first few seasons, when they knew the audience was hooked

[oak ivy]

people forget how well written early game of thrones was

top tier television

[topaz oyster]

Back when they could still lift GRRM's dialogue

[cold sequoia]

The sex was largely toned down because the actresses demanded that they stop being treated so degradingly

[crimson kelp]

atm I would say Stranger Things is probably the most successful / popular original fantasy show

[oak ivy]

listen, i didnt say it

[molten jetty]

But was it popular because it was well written?

[cold sequoia]

Some of the best parts of GoT early seasons were original

[molten jetty]

(I’m a huge GoT stan, but there is a reason non-fantasy fans watched it)

[oak ivy]

it sustained interest bc it was well written

[winged mountain]

I wouldn't say that tbh

[topaz oyster]

I think it certainly helped

[cold sequoia]

HBO had other shows filled with gore and violence

[oak ivy]

plenty of HBO shows had boobies and dongs

[winged mountain]

it had a few original scenes that were pretty good

[topaz oyster]

As it happens quality does still attract attention

[molten jetty]

Like if GoT were more fantastical with more magic, would it still have been popular?

[lucid haven]

it turns out that sex still sells

[cold sequoia]

Yes I think so. D&D just fundamentally dislike the fantasy stuff

[oak ivy]

i think GOT sold itself as a mature, high quality story that was must seen tv. the sex and gore was part of that, but so were the characters and storylines

[crimson kelp]

I do think GoT was helped strongly by being very... stereotypically european fantasy

[cold sequoia]

HotD was much more faithful to the fantastical elements of the world and was better recieved than any of the later GoT seasons where the fantasy stuff was most suppressed

[topaz oyster]

Hard to say. Hollywood would almost certainly say no, and I think that's borne out by the lower fantasy stories they've erred on the side of choosing (WoT being probably the highest fantasy among them), but I don't know that I'd agree

[crimson kelp]

like there isn't a lot of secondary world baggage / lore that you need to learn / understand to engage with GoT

[lucid haven]

i also dont agree that game of thrones was only popular because of the sex and gore, same as how i dont think the boys is only popular because of the sex and gore.

[cold sequoia]

GoT S1 ||the absolute biggest draw of S1 of GoT was killing off Ned imo||

[topaz oyster]

Not sure I entirely agree with that

[molten jetty]

I mean it’s hard to say, right? Like Hollywood thinks audiences don’t like fantasy, but whether they do or don’t is hard to say because of the way it’s seen as more “childish” by its very nature.

[midnight compass]

WAIT SHOOT I FORGOT THE D&D MOVIE

[lucid haven]

telling gritty stories wherepoeple die and there are "realistic" adult themes in a well produced and well funded tv show is rare

[minor ledge]

thats not fantasy

is it

[molten jetty]

Dnd movie was great. Not a hit in general audiences though.

[minor ledge]

1st season is mystery

2nd is i forgot

[lucid haven]

and i think this is what poeple latch onto much more than the surface level sex and gore

[minor ledge]

3rd is a bad spy thriller action movie

[topaz oyster]

There's never been a story that's both fantasy and mystery before

[minor ledge]

4th is very not horror but horror inspired mystery

[ionic lily]

Idk, I think general audiences liked it.

[lucid haven]

afaik the recent dnd movie was a hit with gen pop

[midnight compass]

I was going to follow up with this but I am being accosted by my dog

[topaz oyster]

(I'd categorize Stranger Things as fantasy flavored horror myself, with horror being very firmly the primary driver in terms of genre classification)

[ionic lily]

Send pics

[oak ivy]

its primary genre classication is 80s, actually

[midnight compass]

Didn't do so well outside of the existing D&D fanbase

[lucid haven]

i would classify it as 80/90s nostalgia horror more so than anything else with fantasy elements

[molten jetty]

Yes

[lucid haven]

but yeah agree with you here kon

[midnight compass]

Well she's not attacking me now and that's why I can type

[minor ledge]

GOT got so so popular because it killed people off

[ionic lily]

:(

[minor ledge]

but it wouldve been popular without that

[lucid haven]

yeah like i said, well produced well run well funded with adult themes treating those adult themes with some respect big popular untill they stoped treating them with respect and flew off the rails and got shafted by having to rush to an ending that mabey would have made sense if we got a couple extra seasons

[cold sequoia]

Ans to clarify, it was rushed by the showrunners themselves

[molten jetty]

(I am reticent to see “adult themes” in the way GoT does it as making in intrinsically better than other fantasy stuff)

[cold sequoia]

hbo would have happily given them more seasons

[lucid haven]

not better, but resonates with gen pop more than some other things going on right now

[molten jetty]

Mostly because I think GoT intentionally goes dark and gritty, more than it might need to. I love GoT, but that is a thing.

[topaz oyster]

I also wouldn't count, say The Family Man as fantasy any more than I would like The Walking Dead as science fiction. Having any element of mysticism doesn't quite get it over the line for me

[cold sequoia]

D&D were just
A) uninterested in the fantasy elements which are critical to the actual book ending
B) wanted to get a big payday from Disney for their star wars show

[oak ivy]

GoT goes dark and gritty but it actually commits to that narratively. the issue with other fantasy that tries to incoroprate that aestetic is not being able to write as well as george

[molten jetty]

Yeah and I think that’s because it’s for “adults” unlike that kiddish sword and sorcery stuff. (I say this sarcastically).

Which is just an idea I am fundamentally disgusted with

[winged mountain]

I think a lot of that is just the urban legend that developed in the aftermath of the show, not necessarily the truth

[cold sequoia]

Which part?

[ionic lily]

I’m pretty sure it’s self admitted

[winged mountain]

like, it's been firmly established that they had outlined how many episodes and seasons would be left in the show at the conclusion of season 6, and Star Wars came around like a year later

[minor ledge]

yeah its also how Breaking bad got popular

[burnt shale]

The thing that made Got work was a strong tone and writing imo. It really focused on the political angle of a medieval setting. That contrasted with the fantastical elements to make them seem more intimidating. I’d argue the decrease in magic actually helped make those elements pop but I think it’s end of its first episode and finale really are why it worked

[cold sequoia]

They had been systematically cutting out as much fantastical stuff as they possibly could for much of the shows existence

[topaz oyster]

GRRM has also publicly indicated he wanted 13 seasons

[minor ledge]

ngl i assumed GRRM hated the show for some reason

[topaz oyster]

He's madge about HotD

[winged mountain]

I think the 'downplaying of fantasy elements' is at least partially true, but I think it understates the element that George hadn't actually given them as much to work with on them as they wanted, like they just hadn't been develped yet

[cobalt onyx]

I absolutely couldn't source it, but I'm pretty sure we have someone credible saying HBO wanted to give them another 3 seasons

[topaz oyster]

He wasn't madge about GoT at its height though, he was an active contributor the whole time

[lucid haven]

there is also the fact we are looking at these projects that are made by literal hundreads/thousands of humans with crazy messy situations from the outside and then attributing reasons and motives on humans and situations we dont know much about

[molten jetty]

No that’s House of the Dragon

[winged mountain]

HBO would have been happy to give them more, George wanted more, D&D said they only had enough material for what they delivered, and they felt that to try to extend it would both unnecessarily drag it out without substance and would risk key actors leaving the show prematurely

[cobalt onyx]

Well, until he wandered off to try to do more writing before the show gave him the solutions he wanted.

[ivory night]

George wrote episodes for the first show

[cold sequoia]

The got the ending but by the time they did they'd hamstrung themselves by cutting out stuff in previous seasons and so couldnt even approach the real ending for most characters

[lucid haven]

like yes we have some information but we never KNOW the truth of it all

[minor ledge]

this is why we need an anbennar TV show smh

[ionic lily]

That’s why we got all those teleporting armies

[burnt shale]

I think he was mad at one specific thing and the treatment of his friend. That said what he was mad about doesn’t make sense to me as a book reader and there were much bigger episodes in that s2

[lucid haven]

what is an anbennar?

[winged mountain]

there is no real ending

[cold sequoia]

ASOIAF ||like, for instance cutting out Young Griff ruined the Kings Landing stuff||

[crimson kelp]

There are knights and castles and kings and dungeons and beheadings and all the generic/stereotypical stuff that pretty much anyone in the anglosphere thinks of when they imagine "medieval" or whatever with a light sprinkling of the most basic fantasy stuff, we got dragons, we got zombies, we got a bit of scary magic and that's kinda it. Yeah there are a few fantasy words and big wolves and named swords but, like... it's never asking anyone to do any heavy mental lifting when it comes to engaging with the new ideas the way any Cosmere world would or even Wheel of Time or basically any original setting which doesn't have easy direct Real World (or at least the kinda fictional/fantastical preconceptions people have) historical analogue.

[molten jetty]

I truly wish we could get high quality high fantasy of the sword and sorcery type but I doubt it would be popular with gen pop