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[keen flax]

Watching Chicago for the first time

[west escarp]

The musical?

[keen flax]

Yep!

Wait, the movie! 😂

[west escarp]

The film version of the musical

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-all-that-jazz-catherine-zeta-jones-singer-gif-5380141

[keen flax]

Yes, that 🤣

[west escarp]

Movie that was deeply sexually formative for me

12 year old me: I just like the scene where Queen Latifah’s character pulls a scarf out of her cleavage. For no reason. I’m straight

https://youtu.be/Y-Fz-_lkWzM?si=YVmcOAdx7faQbZ2Y

[keen flax]

Yeah i can see how that can happen 😂

[west escarp]

Also Velma and Roxy have an iconic toxic yuri thing going on

[turbid narwhal]

Love that movie

[keen flax]

It is fantastic omg

[dusk hound]

This is the moment where Walter White becomes Scooby Snacks

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-walter-white-screaming-breaking-bad-walter-walter-gif-27285909

[minor ledge]

I dont even think theyd need to do a traditional investigation tbh theyd just play off his ego on complete accident causing him to reveal himself

[verbal lintel]

Walter White’s downfall by the Mystery Gang would involve the roof pizza

[dusk hound]

My friend sent me this video after they saw Shelby Oaks

I’m sorry Stuckmann

[dusk hound]

Good for him for finally making a feature film honestly

I used to watch that man’s movie reviews religiously

Oh we are BACK BACK baby https://x.com/supersaganews/status/1982574623159185437?s=46

Superman Saga News (@SuperSagaNews)

Reshoots for 'Supergirl' are reportedly currently taking place and are expected to last two weeks

It is speculated that David Corenswet's Superman is involved

(@DanielRPK)

X · Oct 26, 2025, 10:26 PM

[placid river]

The Superman costume is also currently not on display because it’s being used, so this makes a lot of sense

[dusk hound]

Yeah

And David has also grown his hair back too after he shaved it

Would make sense to have him be in the movie, I would assume he’s actually gonna be in it a fair amount, maybe a flashback where he meets Kara for the first time when she lands on earth and a scene at the end where she comes back to earth after the events of the movie

Lead it into Man of Tomorrow

[distant birch]

God a team-up would be so peak

Even if not in MoT, we better get it at some point

[dusk hound]

I assume she’ll be in Man of Tomorrow a fair amount

Her, Lex, and Clark would be the funniest comedy trio actually

The interactions would be peak

[distant birch]

I hope krypto would also be on the team

Man of tomorrow/Superman ||I want lex to have to work with the annoying dog that ruined everything for him last time||

[buoyant scroll]

Laika breaks my brain
https://youtu.be/3HQ-HrwIgOc?si=uBSf85kgwAxhiEWs

[keen flax]

LoVM 2x6 ||Pike my beloved!!! ||

[keen flax]

2x7 ||teeny grog is so weird DX||

||PIKE SONG???? I CANT STOP WINNING 🤩||

[azure fern]

there's a fun fact about that as well...

[topaz oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/making-my-way-downtown-gif-11038078

[terse crystal]

https://boxd.it/bvQQdH

[wraith sand]

In Sandman Season 2, ||did anyone get the impression that for all his outward callousness and indifference toward Dream, Time did seem to care in his own way? And with Night, it was basically the complete opposite dynamic—outwardly affectionate, but in reality she couldn’t care less?|| Or is that just me?

[ivory night]

Slow horses season 5 episode 5 || river being an absolute dumbass is painful. BRO HOW ARE YOU AFRAID TO SAY THAT YOU LOVE YOUR GRANDPA BACK||

[crystal brook]

SH s5e5 ||Emotions and stress and frustration and such||

[ionic lily]

That’s literally the whole series

[ivory night]

|| he’s been operating at a higher level of dumbass this season || s5

[ionic lily]

||As the series progresses I am more and more sympathetic to Lamb||

[ivory night]

S5 e5 || lolololol who could’ve seen that coming ….

-# everybody ||

|| lol she went from saying I was forced to do it to saying I know more and more about it but yeah sure Claude trust her you idiot ||

[agile drift]

Watched 28 Weeks Later. While it certainly doesn't hold up to Days, I think it's still pretty good as a zombie film. Not everything needs to be deep and interesting, cool horror and action can suffice in this case in my opinion

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/odos-bucket/798602303979585536

Beyond the Mysterious Beyond

🔁 januariat

it’s funny how quickly you get desensitized to comic book nonsense like mister sinister is an insane name for a fictional character it’s so goofy but when i read his name i’m like this is not a laughing matter. we’re talking about cyclops’ traumatic secret laser beam eyeball orphanage surgery backstory. stop laughing.

-# #x

Tumblr · Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 PM

[topaz oyster]

I have not seen Sandman season 2 and I didn't open your spoilers but having seen season 1 I can tell you that I am not happy having read this given the sparsity of spoiler tags

Just spoiler it all! Its easier than going and spoiler tagging a handful of proper nouns!

Arguably the dramtis personae are the least important part to spoiler tag and what this has spoiler barred is ass backwards

[cold sequoia]

please just tag the entire thing

I am pretty sure we technically have rules somewhere about this kind of sparse tagging

as kon said it's not really effective (and is also more annoying to read and write even if you are ok with reading spoilers)

[placid river]

Tbf Nathaniel Essex is exactly the kind of asshole to call himself “Mister Sinister”

[dusk hound]

MARCH 10THHHH https://x.com/onepiecenetflix/status/1983156799780831370?s=46

ONE PIECE(ワンピース) Netflix (@onepiecenetflix)

Behold, the great medical land of Drum!

The wait is over, Nakama!! ONE PIECE: Into the Grand Line sets sail March 10, 2026!

X · Oct 28, 2025, 1:00 PM

[oak ivy]

@novel bear we move

[dusk hound]

R.I.P. Hal Jordan https://x.com/dcfilmnews/status/1983174136890609979?s=46

DC Film News (@DCFilmNews)

Chris Mundy describes LANTERNS as “as much a buddy cop show as a superhero show":

"Our show is in a lot of ways about replacement—when should someone step aside and when is it time for the next person to take the reins?"

(Via 🔗 https://t.co/yJyeDsMpZV)

X · Oct 28, 2025, 2:08 PM

[keen flax]

-# me who never liked hal anyway: 😌✨️

[winged mountain]

when I was comics-curious I think he was a villain at the time

[oak ivy]

Hal No Good Stories Jordan

[keen flax]

I grew up with John (whos the best one)

(Why did they stop using John for a while I have no idea)

[winged mountain]

idk, when I checked out the comics it was Kyle in the comics and John on TV

[dusk hound]

Cosmic, I assure you John Stewart WILL join your harem of husbands when Lanterns drops

[keen flax]

Oh sweetheart, hes already there 🤣 its just... hes not ruining my brain thats all

[minor ledge]

shocked there already doing lantersn

tbh

[heavy anchor]

I liked most of the human lanterns in some capacity or another

[keen flax]

-# b'ox erasure

[heavy anchor]

When written well, the differences in how they use their powers are super neat
Like Hal intricately puts things together, Guy usually just kinda makes direct constructs, and Kyle being a painter tends to create more whimsical things

Of course sometimes these differences are completely ignored, but I think that's stupid.

[minor ledge]

oh yeah same

actualy thats not true some of them are badly written

[heavy anchor]

Honestly I could say that about pretty much every DC character at some point or another

My usual take is to just stick with the depiction you like the most

[minor ledge]

dont think ive ever liked a hal comic tbh

tbf ive never liked a wonder woman comic but shes a good character i guess

[heavy anchor]

My attachment to Hal has absolutely nothing to do with the comics

Im pretty sure it mostly stems from my childhood love of the Super Friends

[keen flax]

Kinda like how I like John since I grew up wirh JL + JLU

[minor ledge]

i havent watched any of the animated DC stuff except the DCAU as an adult

[forest wigeon]

You should watch My Adventures with Superman

[dusk hound]

Kilowog is my GOAT and I hope he’s in this show

[dusk hound]

Cosmic would love that show I feel

[minor ledge]

im watching peacemaker rn i dont need another DC show

[dusk hound]

I can’t wait to see Aaron Pierre as John Stewart tbh

He was great in Rebel Ridge

And I love the concept of him being the main GL for the Justice League instead of Hal or Kyle or Guy

[minor ledge]

Anyone but hal 🙏

[dusk hound]

(Please for the love of god don’t force a John and Hawkgirl romance too)

[dawn kayak]

it'd be fun if it was the two new lanterns of earth

but it's not going to be

Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz

I think a show about them replacing Hal or Guy or Kyle or John or whoever is the current main lantern of earth could be fun

though I would prefer for it to be after Darkest Night (and possibly ignoring Brightest Day; Darkest Night is great. Brightest Day, eh...)

with the main lanterns all ||going to the other corps|| and needing new green for earth

[dusk hound]

Just a rumor so take this with a grain of salt https://x.com/homeofdcu/status/1983300465854206059?s=46

Home of DCU (@homeofdcu)

Makeup and prosthetics will be used for the villain for Man of Tomorrow.

Actors with a strong physique and stature are being looked at for the role.

(via @NexusPointNews | https://t.co/JDdfEd16wN)

X · Oct 28, 2025, 10:30 PM

But this is STRONGLY leaning towards it being Brainiac or Mongul if true

[distant birch]

I feel like I've enjoyed Hal decently in the few lanterns comics I've read recently, though they were all more group stories than solo ones

[minor ledge]

hope they dont do darkest night imo

[cold sequoia]

I think this is going to be at least mostly original

Blackest Night/Brightest Day is pretty close to peak DC crossover nonsense in terms of the amount of random canon that's thrown at the reader and I don't see how it's adaptable at this point

[dawn kayak]

I'm fine with them changing a bunch of stuff and honestly even making it self contained

the crossover ain't what makes Darkest Night good tbh

[minor ledge]

darkest nigh would be a good thing for the dcu in 20 y3ars

[cold sequoia]

oh I think that they could definitely take aspects of the lantern worldbuilding and make it work really well with a detective story

Blackest Night ||but stuff like different DC heros getting temporary rings and stuff would be too much imo||

[dawn kayak]

yeah lmao

I mean there's like

one good thing of the darkest night crossover

wait no nevermind ||blue superman|| isn't canon I forgot lmao

it's been a long time

[distant birch]

Is darkest night just another name for blackest night?

[cold sequoia]

uhh

yeah I meant Blackest Night

[dawn kayak]

there's also some stuff that can be thrown in the trash

like the whole Star Sapphire thing can go

[distant birch]

xD i mainly ask because there's like 10 different crises, I figured it wasn't unbelievable that there was also a darkest night

[dawn kayak]

that's a 80s~90s plotline

[distant birch]

I do think if they do Blackest Night I'd want them to work through introducing and building up all the different corps

[dawn kayak]

but I love the idea of blackest night ||the "main" green lanterns all leaving to other corps||

yeah

[distant birch]

But yeah the nature of some of those introductions/groups could probably change

[dawn kayak]

also throwing away the bad ones like ||black, white and gray||

[distant birch]

BN ||how do you do blackest night without black lanterns?||

||isn't that like... the plot?||

[cold sequoia]

BN ||I think having a black lantern type issue which Hal and John end up uncovering could be the plot of the show||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||it's when the plot sucks||

Blackest Night ||you can do the green lanterns leadership being corrupt without the evil rings of zombification||

[distant birch]

Oh fair

I was gonna say, I feel like the best part of BN ||is all the build up of the corps and their conflicts rather than the zombie apocalypse||

[cold sequoia]

BN ||I think you need to introduce the lanterns in general before you do a "the lanterns are leaving for other colors" plot||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||like, "corrupted" rings that ressurrect people could be really interesting as a plot point if they hadn't been used to basically marvels zombie the plot||

[distant birch]

BN ||honestly I just don't love zombie stories in general||

||I just stop caring as much when they start happening||

[cold sequoia]

BN ||I think the objectives of the Lanterns show should be 1) introduce what lanterns are, 2) introduce who the earth lanterns are, and 3) introduce a problem that different earth lanterns handle differently. Something like the black rings can work as that 3rd objective||

[distant birch]

BN ||I kind of hope the lanterns show doesn't do blackest night||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||like having the rings be a kind of monkey's paw (as in the classic tale of the monkey's paw lmao) could be interesting||

[distant birch]

||or at least, that it either doesn't do all of it or it changes tones for it||

||just because I feel like doing it as a detective-y earth thing loses the sort of space epic feel||

||and that feels like something that's (more) of a strength of the green lanterns and this story||

[cold sequoia]

||yeah, like I could see it being something like Hal or John (probably John lol) wants to use it ||

||ideally a bit more interesting that just rehashing Frodo-Bilbo||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||I'd love for a show featuring John to dive deep into his grief and guilt||

[distant birch]

Honestly BN ||is probably a decent story to adapt because I feel like it gives most of the main earth lanterns a decent amount to do||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||I think my favourite moment from Blackest Night is still when John is in the asteroid field of the planet he destroyed practicing his shooting lmao||

[distant birch]

||so it'd probably be easy to expand some of those or pivot characters in and out of focus depending on who's important at the time||

[dawn kayak]

Blackest Night ||that tells you all you need to know about that character ||

[distant birch]

BN ||if they do blackest night I do hope they keep a bit of the ring/corps swapping just because it's fun||

[placid river]

Idk if you heard but Jessica is gonna star in the animated series My Adventures With Green Lantern

[dawn kayak]

also we can completely change the bad lantern corps

[distant birch]

||I want them to add sapphire Hal even just briefly because I think he picked up about every ring but that one in the main comic||

[dawn kayak]

larfleeze can stay I guess he's inoffensive

[distant birch]

Are any of the other corps particularly important past blackest night?

I started reading brightest day but got bored and haven't really gotten around to anything else from that period

[dawn kayak]

brightest day is pretty much when I took a break from DC and stopped reading Green Lantern so no idea lmao

[distant birch]

xD ok similar situation

[dawn kayak]

but please gods can we retcon the entirety of the Star Sapphire please?

[distant birch]

I feel like it'd probably be really easy to retcon them

[dawn kayak]

o that's cool

[distant birch]

Love feels like maybe the easiest emotion to reinterpret

[dawn kayak]

blackest night ||he's a man how could he pick up the woman designated ring 😔 ||

[distant birch]

BN ||honestly that's another part of why I want it||

[dawn kayak]

I despise everything about how Star Sapphire got done in the comics, from the earliest interpretations to the Blackest Night one

it's so awful

[distant birch]

BN ||if we're specifically not giving it to him because it's the woman love ring, that sucks||

[dawn kayak]

and like the Red corps got cool stuff that goes against what the average 15 years old from the 90s expects!

instead, Star Sapphire gets this

because of course it does

[distant birch]

I forgot that costume

[minor ledge]

yeah but i want bn + death in the family||zombie jason todd because it could be an interesting batman arc|| smh

[dawn kayak]

comics would be great if they weren't written by comic writers

[minor ledge]

/j

[distant birch]

Im so glad some of the recent stuff has redesigned the costume a bit

Because the black and pink look is actually decently cool imo and better than. That

GL gen ||also the love entity being called the predator is kind of 🤨 ||

||maybe they had something interesting in mind but it definitely feels like it's showing where the focus is with all this||

[minor ledge]

real

[distant birch]

DC KO future issues ||if they hadn't immediately killed her off in the current event for the sake of Joker maybe Carol could've gotten some more stuff to do ||

[keen flax]

You cannot comprehend how happy this makes me

Im a huge DC super hero girls fan and I loved her in that soooo im sure it'll scratch a similar itch 💖

[minor ledge]

well the pinks shoul be less morally good and more neutral or even villianous

[distant birch]

Isn't that sort of what they were

[placid river]

Have you seen My Adventures With Superman? This show is a spinoff of that, and I would 100% recommend it

[distant birch]

In BN ||with the like brainwashing villains to be powered by love and all that|| at least

[keen flax]

The first few episodes, yeah! I really liked it, but I dont have max anymore :((

[minor ledge]

kinda

id put them in good though

[dusk hound]

comics would be great if they weren't written by comic writers

Fixed it

[minor ledge]

artists do all the work anyway

[forest wigeon]

this is how you get todd mcfarlane

[dawn kayak]

yeaaaaaaaaaaah

gods I fell into a reading about the bigger DC space canon rabbit hole and man

it's something alright

the sapphire star corps are like a deeply misogynistic portrayal even way back when

I don't know if it's worthwhile to try to write them better or just retcon as the idea itself isn't very good

[minor ledge]

ffinished shogun

decent

[ivory night]

Well that’s another good season of slow horses in the books. Trailer for next season looks fun

S5e6 all || lol river you dolt ||

[ionic lily]

Sums up the series pretty well

[burnt shale]

Shoguns great it’s very aesthetic that said ||after they leave the city the kinda forgot how to run the plot as nobody has a plan to stall that has any barring on reality until the mariko sacrifice || shogun all

[silver oyster]

tbh, this one is my least favorite

slow horses s5 all ||i felt like the ending of season 4 would lead to some growth on River's part, but he's still the same loser with terrible judgment. except now he's depressed ||

||And I dislike the paint and hacking mi5 with random magic code scenes a lot. ||

||the stasi story was amazing, though. Gary Oldman had 110% of my attention during that scene ||

[minor ledge]

yeah last bit of the show wasnt as good as the first bit

[burnt shale]

I’d say middle was the issue end and behind are fine

[dusk hound]

Jon Kent: “I love my family and my dad!! He’s the best and he really helps a lot of people as Superman!”

Average Damian Wayne subplot:

[wise epoch]

HAZBIN SEASON TWOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[stark crag]

asking for spoilers: Moon Knight episode one, cw for ||self-harm|| ||so I did not know this show's very first scene is someone putting broken glass in their shoes, and am now going to ask if there's any other self-harm at any point if it's at that same level of not showing wounds and just being skin-crawly I will probably be fine, but I want to be braced for it||

[naive mica]

Moon Knight ||That's the only time it's really highlighted that I can recall, but also it's been a while since I've watched the show.||

[main dew]

I JUST WATCHED IT IT'S VERY GOOD

[wise epoch]

Peak 😄

[wise epoch]

I liked how (Hazbin S2E2) ||even though Lute is clearly in a vengeful rage, she is still logical (and, honestly, correct. Very few people don't want to kill them all)||

||I want to say that Emily feels weird this episode when she hangs out with Pentious but I can see it working if they make it a character arc thing, like she genuinely doesn't realize what the problem is because she's never had to deal with serious personal problems||

||It also works as the first real contrast between her and Charlie, because Charlie is a lot more in tune with the emotions of other people in a way that this episode implies Emily is not||

[dusk hound]

Superman 2025 ||Confirmed that we’ll be getting more clarification on what Krypton really was like in Supergirl https://fxtwitter.com/nerdtropolis/status/1983628860056072473?s=46||

Nerdtropolis (@Nerdtropolis)

David Krumholtz says “#Supergirl is very true to the Woman of Tomorrow graphic novel” and he’s “thrilled to be the next piece of telling Krypton’s story and what the House of El is all about,” when @SeanTaj asked about the new DC film.

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FxTwitter · Oct 29, 2025, 8:15 PM

Superman 2025 ||I lowkey love the idea of Jor-El and Lara being like the fringe family members who were just wacky ||

[forest wigeon]

||I'd be surprised if we didn't||

[dawn kayak]

I wonder if I should rewatch Charmed

[buoyant scroll]

If you can do it with friends and a drinking game it's fantastic

Did it in college. We had...dangerous rules xD

[dawn kayak]

oh???

[ionic lily]

Watching Clear and Present Danger and he said the thing!

[dusk hound]

POV: You’re midway through watching The Batman: Part II and Alfred comes up to Bruce with tickets to the Flying Graysons circus:

Those acrobats WILL FALL

[minor ledge]

i dont think reeves has the balls to do robin sadly

[cold sequoia]

The Batman ||I think the Reeves Bruce is too young to do a good Robin story||

[minor ledge]

Nah dick works with a younger batman

and honstly his tenure as robin should be the transitionary period between young batman and experienced batman

[velvet oriole]

It's Jet Lag time.

[burnt shale]

Spoilers for all stars finale I think you mean ||deutsche bahn time ||

[minor ledge]

ffs they have to milk breaking bad el camino was an amazing ending

hollywood just cant leave a franchise alone anymore

[main dew]

Hazbin S2 ||I had heard people say Gravity goes hard but I still wasn't expecting it to go THAT hard. Honestly love that song and the animation so much. Been listening to it all morning and I'm like "Ohhh no Lute might actually kill Vaggie (name pending)". And yeah, Emily feels like she's a little out of her depth, which I like||

||But oh my god can I just say how my favourite type of musical song is when it's a duet where the two singers are arguing and Season 1 had like 8 of those songs and S2 STARTS with a dueling duet of like the whole damn cast and I'm in love??? I wasn't 100% sure vox would work as a main villain tbh but he goes STRONG the first episode||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah Gravity is my favorite song in Hazbin (technically you could say I like You Didn't Know more but I like that song more as a story moment, less as a song than Gravity). I've been listening to it nonstop since it dropped lmao||

[wise epoch]

||It's really funny that Vox is just so unintimidating as an antagonist but I still really love him. Like I don't think this dumbass is a credible threat but damn is he great||

||The comments section on Once We Get Up There is hilarious because it's just people calling the Vees idiots for thinking this stupid plan of theirs will work||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2 ||Been driving to work this morning screaming EYE FOR AN EYE MEANS YOU OWE ME A DEBT, BLOOD DEMANDS BLOOD GONNA GET MY HANDS WET||

[wise epoch]

||Like yes Vox, the god damn Morningstar himself couldn't overthrow Heaven, but you and your two idiot friends are absolutely gonna do it||

||Him saying he was a cult leader made me go "Yeah that makes a lot of sense||

[wise epoch]

It's SO GOOD

I love revenge songs, I love villain songs, and I love the song One Thing from RWBY (this is relevant they are the same song)

So it was an instant win

[main dew]

||he's so gonna get the other two killed. He's like LET'S BE GOD'S and velvets like "Hey this will be great for my label" and the others like "man I get to sleep with angels". They just don't GET it man, they don't see the VISION||

||I love it because he's shooting for the top seat and watching him fail is gonna be delightful and he's gonna get a loooot of people killed on the way. Silly little TV boy||

||Also the shot from the trailer where he's walking up the stairs and has a big cape, has me very excited for whenever that moments gonna happen||

[wise epoch]

||I'm genuinely not sure how Vox as a villain will play out this season. It could go one of two ways and I'm down for either of them||

||Either he gets some power up and becomes a giant TV kaiju||

||Or he gets his ass handed to him by Alastor the second he tries to actually put his plan into effect||

||If it's the first one, then Vox is the final boss of the season. If it's the second one, I bet it happens halfway through and it's the inciting incident for Lute to become the real final boss||

||On the one hand, I can't see Vox as a final boss. On the other, Lute being the final boss would feel like a retread of S1, just with a physically weaker villain. So I don't know which I think it gonna happen||

[main dew]

Hazbin S2 ||I see Vox being the big bad of the season working. Yes he's unintimidating but he's ambitious and I definitely think he's entertaining. He also obviously has a thing for "Let's turn this thing that happened into something I can use" which I could 100% see meaning he ends up using Lute to fulfil whatever part of his plan ("Oh hey this angel is coming to hell to kill demons. Let's let her and then use that to get people angry and rise up and do what I want"||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah but people already want to do what he wants. They went to the hotel literally to kill angels||

||I do think Vox will be the big bad, cuz that makes the most sense to me with how everything was marketed||

||I'm just unsure how it'll work because I don't think the Vees are nearly as credible of a threat as the Exorcists. I feel like Alastor could take them all at once, let alone Charlie and Lucifer.||

[main dew]

||I actually don't think Alastair could, I feel there was quite of bit of implying in S1 that the V's have grown since they last fought and Alastair has been contracted since then (though tbh that could make him more powerful, not less, who knows), I don't know if it's as clear cut anymore||

[wise epoch]

||Alastor put up a damn good fight against Adam. Maybe fighting them all at once could be a stretch, but I see Vox as basically the entire physical power of the three. I cannot imagine what Velvette or Valentino could do in a fight.||

||The thing about the Vees is that they're a strong threat socially, but social threat doesn't translate to physical threat very well||

||So the moment they try making a genuine move, they'd get slapped down||

||Because all of their power is how good they are at manipulating people and using information to their advantage||

[main dew]

||See I've thought of hazbin as going by the "stronger you're seen, the stronger you are" logic since that's a very demons/souls kinda thing to do, but I may be wrong||

[wise epoch]

||That's possible. Alastor is really strong because he's basically the boogeyman, to the point that even the Princess of Hell was taken aback at seeing him||

||If that is the case though, then I think it's the case for specifically Sinners and not Hellborn||

||Mostly because almost nobody takes Charlie seriously as anything but Lucifer's daughter, and even in that respect they still treat her like a joke||

||And yet Charlie can still throw hands||

Oh also unrelated ||shout outs to seeing Angel's sister for a brief second in Emily's song in ep 2||

||Will she be a character this season with the increased focus on Heaven?||

||Find out next time!||

[distant birch]

Hazbin s2 ||I think it's also possible he'll get to "big bad" status by how unintimidating he is. Like, I wouldn't be shocked if no one save maybe Alastor really takes him seriously as a threat until the point where he's become genuinely really dangerous||

[main dew]

Oooo I like that

[distant birch]

||especially with the way Charlie's been willing to engage with the media so far in episode 1||

[wise epoch]

||I cannot imagine Alastor taking Vox seriously at any point lmao||

||Which does lend credence to the idea||

[distant birch]

||true. I think alastor might be willing to actually confront him sooner than the others though||

||even if he doesn't think he's a threat||

[distant birch]

Hazbin s2 ||like, I wouldn't be shocked if she just tries to run good press against bad press without actually worrying about the bigger plans going along until Vox has already got something that can either seriously damage the hotel or heaven||

[wise epoch]

||I'm just trying really hard to think of some way to make Vox a physically powerful threat and I can't think of anything.||

||Like, maybe riling up the sinners into a murderous mob?||

[distant birch]

||I will mention: one bit in season 1 implied alastor lost to the 3 once before||

[wise epoch]

||I dunno how credible of a threat that is with Lucifer Morningstar on the premesis||

[distant birch]

||I don't remember the specific moment but i think one of the Vee's reminded Vox that alastor "almost beat him"||

[distant birch]

||Lucifer is the big thing confusing me about this whole season, honestly||

||he seems so far above everyone else in power||

[wise epoch]

||Yeah but Valentino uses that as kind of a taunt. Like he says Vox is still angry about it, pinches his cheeks and Vox swears at him.||

||Alastor didn't win but Vox didn't win either, otherwise he'd be proud of the achievement and wouldn't be so insecure as to sing a song to everyone dissing Alastor||

[wise epoch]

||I'm betting something happens to get him out of the plot honestly||

||Like maybe Lilith calls him up||

||So he's just away for all the major plot stuff||

||Cuz Lute has Lilith on speed dial||

[main dew]

Also can we talk about the biggest twist of the season so far

||Pentious was hot as a human!||

[distant birch]

||I mean, if others had to step in to help beat alastor then he didn't really get the achievement||

[wise epoch]

||ngl with his hair I thought he was a woman lmao||

[distant birch]

||doesn't alastor also make a jab about vox being carried by the other two? Obviously that's not a super reliable source but I think it's possible that the trio together are a lot stronger than any one member||

[wise epoch]

||If that's the case, then that means that Vox can't handle him on his own. Though that does sort of knock my idea that Alastor could beat the Vees as a trio down several notches.||

[wise epoch]

||"Is Vox as strong as he reports, or is it based on his support? He'd be powerless without the other Vees"||

[distant birch]

||that is what I think is the case||

||alastor could take vox, but the trio together is the problem||

[wise epoch]

||That said, I think this is a social thing too, because that line of the song shows the other two with social media posts||

[distant birch]

Hazbin s2 ||honestly though I wouldn't be surprised if lute ends up, whether intentionally or not, acting as the Vee's "muscle" somehow. Because she seems a lot more fit to deal with the fights||

||even though she lost to Vaggie||

[wise epoch]

||It's hard to really say tbh, the only things we have for the power of the Vees are vague anecdotes about Vox specifically that don't really give a clear detail of what happened, so it could have happened a lot of different ways. We don't have any clue about Velvette or Valentino other than valentino's mastery of the backhanded slap||

[wise epoch]

||Maybe her robot arm makes up the difference||

||But yeah Lute has some role to play here, but I can't imagine what her role will be as a solo||

||I definitely don't think she'd work together with the Vees intentionally||

||Since she just wants to go on a murder rampage||

[distant birch]

||I could see her maybe doing something with them for the sake of war||

||like, if it's sold right. Maybe they go "hey we'll let you fight <charlie/vaggie/whoever> and then we go to war and you can fight more"||

[wise epoch]

||I feel like there could be a third villain injected into this story.||

[distant birch]

||especially since some of the promo stuff seemed to suggest heaven moves towards making peace with hell||

[wise epoch]

||Because the Vees and Lute both feel like they're missing something to be credible threats by themselves, feels like there should be a third factor to tie them together||

||But I can't imagine what that third factor would be, and trailers didn't give me any indication of any such thing||

[distant birch]

I think the thing is like...

||both lute and the vees have lost before to this main cast, to some extent||

[wise epoch]

||Lilith is my best guess||

[distant birch]

||so we need some sort of game changing factor that boosts them back into being a danger||

[wise epoch]

||Because we know Lilith is in contact with Lute, Lilith is the best option to getting Lucifer out of Hell, she could probably very easily get in contact with Vox||

||My main question is why she would help people trying to murder her daughter||

||Because while she has gone off the grid and has stopped taking their calls, that's a far cry from being an accomplice to murder||

[wise epoch]

||Actually technically I don't think Velvette has||

||The only time she took action in S1 as far as I recall was confronting Carmilla about the dead angel, which had her come out on top||

[dusk hound]

James Gunn please release the Supergirl trailer to drown out this garbage https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1983883729375523325?s=46

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

The first trailer for ‘SCREAM 7’ has been released.
︀︀
︀︀In theaters on February 27, 2026.

**💬 28 🔁 46 ❤️ 186 👁️ 4.0K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Oct 30, 2025, 1:08 PM

[novel bear]

i mean

For various reasons to do with its production I'm not sure I want to support scream 7

But this doesn't look garbage to me

Scream has been in a good place

6 was the best since the original

[keen flax]

Okay whats your ranking of all 6 👀👀

[novel bear]

Okay so I know at least one take here is controversial

1 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 3 > 5

[keen flax]

5 being the worst to 6 being the second best is interesting 👀

-# I havent seen any of them so I know nothing

[novel bear]

Scream 1 is a really good movie that is generally worth watching

The rest you could take or leave depending on your interest in the franchise

[keen flax]

Hmm I see 👀👀

I need to see all of the... Halloween thriller(?) Movies eventually. Its not surprising at this point to admit that I havent seen any of them 😂

At least the originals

[dusk hound]

I’m surprised they’re on 7

How many different stories can you tell at that point

[novel bear]

Plenty

Part of the original concept of Scream was that it was a sort of meta-commentary on slasher films, joking about the trends in the genre while still being a serious story

So the sequels have often worked as commentary on whatever the genre is at the time (which is sometimes effective and sometimes not)

[dawn kayak]

to keep with that trend, scream 7 should be a game lmao

have there been any slasher movies in this decade?

[inland jetty]

Ghostface IS in Dead By Daylight, technically

[novel bear]

Yeah they kind of stretched what it is they're parodying over the years

[cold sequoia]

as in in the last 10 years or since 2020?

well I guess that's moot since there definitely have been slasher movies in this decade

[dawn kayak]

also in Hunt Showdown

[cold sequoia]

there was a Halloween movie recently

[dawn kayak]

oh right

forgot about that one lmao

any non sequels or remakes of old franchises?

[cold sequoia]

also two Terrifier movies since 2020

[inland jetty]

Do the Terrifier movies count?

[hushed moss]

Also in Fortnite

[dawn kayak]

I think so?

[dawn kayak]

I think that says something about the state of media nowadays, but I don't know what

[keen flax]

Hes in MK1 dlc too! 😂

Or is it they?

Is he always a dude??

[inland jetty]

I think once or twice its a woman, but I'm only familiar with the movies that were covered by Foot The Bill (youtube series tyhat audits the expenses and damages of various horror movies, and also the first Pirates of the Caribbean and Home Alone movies)

[dawn kayak]

the ghostface that is in crossovers is usually just the first one

the one in MK1, DbD and Hunt Showdown is the first one

[inland jetty]

I thought the DBD Ghostface was an original version of the character, who were four different teens, two guys two girls?

Or is that one of the non-crossover characters, and they're just highly referential to Ghostface in their lore/design

[dawn kayak]

that's Legion, a DbD OC

I don't know if Legion predates the Ghostface crossover tbh

oh apparently the Ghostface in DbD is also an OC lmao

[inland jetty]

Vindicated...

[dawn kayak]

also Legion does predate Ghostface

ooo I think the mask and the character rights are held by different people

[wise epoch]

Halloween is a slasher

[wise epoch]

There are four times a woman is a Ghostface.

[wise epoch]

Entirely valid. I am flip flopping myself, I'm not sure

[wise epoch]

They absolutely do

[wise epoch]

Correct

When Ghostface was put in DBD, they just had the right to the mask

[wise epoch]

But yeah the whole thing with Melissa Barrera is making me hesitant

Because I did want her as protagonist for 7, and that's not even touching the REASON she got kicked off

Jenna Ortega also leaving because of it is definitely very. Yeah.

Frankly I feel like two of the main leads leaving so late is going to impact the quality more than anything else

That trailer was really good though

Oh she named her daughter Tatum, ||Stu is definitely coming back lmao||

[keen flax]

Oh I see, thats proof of my ignorance 😂

[wise epoch]

https://youtu.be/PssKpzB0Ah0?si=uMHFVUMCHTKZ4ins

[wise epoch]

It's one of the de facto slashers lmao

Alongside Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street

[keen flax]

Okay, so i knew they were all the same genre... I just didnt know what that genre was 😂

[full wolf]

For those who have been watching the Critical Role TV shows in here, you are also being banished as well:

[dusk hound]

https://tenor.com/view/banished-to-the-shadow-realm-noise-gif-16595369668659675874

I bid you farewell Critical Role fans

[sage finch]

You guys watch House of Dynamite?

The score elevated the movie to a different level

[cold sequoia]

House of Dynamite ||overall I liked it, I think it requires some heavy suspension of disbelief that the presidnet needed to respond before they identified who fired the missile||

[minor ledge]

i liked s4

but

im not confident

cause S4 made a lot of mistakes

esp in its later half

[wraith sand]

Chicago PD season 2 ||Okay, why the actual frakk did they fridge Nadia?!||

[crystal brook]

Just saw the new Frankenstein film

The film looks absolutely beautiful

[cold sequoia]

really bummed that no theaters near me are showing it

[crystal brook]

Yeah i had to go an hour by train to see it

[heavy anchor]

Taskmaster s20e8 ||Sanjeev winning the duck task had me WHEEZING
That combined with Maizie not getting a single one right, despite her incredible smug face, was soooo funny||

[dire moss]

This series season has been excellent

20x8 ||Ania's cat noise absolutely sent me||

[heavy anchor]

||NO WAY SANJEEV WINS YET ANOTHER TASK BY DOING NOTHING
oh my gosh he didn't even last like 30 seconds ||

[dusk hound]

Never thought I would see a commercial for Hazbin Hotel during an NFL football game

I guess there’s a first time for everything

[distant birch]

That feels like the totally wrong audience to be advertising to

[dusk hound]

The game is airing on Prime Video but still, that’s not exactly your target audience

[distant birch]

Yeahh

[topaz oyster]

https://x.com/paultassi/status/1984078169536634999

Paul Tassi (@PaulTassi)

Recasting or not I think I’m just over The Witcher. Can’t believe this will get five seasons and Wheel of Time won’t

X · Oct 31, 2025, 2:01 AM

He also says that they 1) did a "previously on The Witcher" that doesn't show Cavill's face and never has him speak, and 2) have shoehorned in a lot of flashbacks so they could rerecord old scenes with Hemsworth

Has kind of a vindictive air to it

[minor ledge]

feel bad for cavill

[verbal lintel]

Silver lining to all this, we will get some good meme material out of all this as it crashes and burns

[topaz oyster]

https://x.com/paultassi/status/1984240627643732078

Paul Tassi (@PaulTassi)

‘The Witcher’ Season 4 Fails To Debut At #1 On Netflix Amidst Awful Scores via @forbes https://t.co/LRQjeVTHqo

X · Oct 31, 2025, 12:46 PM

[ivory night]

Did anybody even know it was coming out.

Avatar game level of marketing

[topaz oyster]

I did at least know that

Mostly because Hemsworth indicated that he'd originally been contacted about taking over for Cavill in mid 2021, before season 2 aired, in a promotional interview and that spun kind of a different view of the behind the scenes beefing than had previously been known

Got people in the mood to

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-popcorn-gif-8880020

Except not for the show itself, for the drama around the show

[ivory night]

I don’t even think finished last season it was uh…

[west escarp]

Apparently this scene is closer tot he books but the books are much weirder by this point

[topaz oyster]

Me neither

[topaz oyster]

And most of the departures are Yen related, which of course they would be because she's pretty absent for this chunk of story

[west escarp]

If people hated the asynchronous timelines from season 1 they’re gonna hate the Lady of the Lake bits

[topaz oyster]

They also put out some kind of side movie about the Rats and that didn't get any promo

[ivory night]

And Anya kicks ass

[winged mountain]

I truly think it's more likely he misspoke than that actually being what happened

but it's at least possible, and the whole situation is pretty weird regardless

also, the story I heard was that seasons 4 and 5 were filmed back to back for "efficiency" so even if this is a disaster, they just have more episodes to add before they wrap it up, it makes me wonder if this is really a full "season" or just two half seasons

(apparently it's the normal 8 episodes)

[west escarp]

It was a tv show recut into a movie which is uh.,, never a good sign

[naive mica]

Air-fryer owning ahhh Geralt

[molten jetty]

Wheel of Time my beloved

Never forget what they took from us 💔

https://tenor.com/view/the-wheel-of-time-rosamund-pike-moraine-sedai-gif-7278637844893812653

[wraith sand]

Can anyone who's read the Sandman comics explain to me ||how exactly the Fates are apparently more powerful than the Endless? They are just Greek gods, and the Endless are supposed to essentially be lesser big-G Gods.|| Kindly Ones arc ||did Dream essentially allow them to have power over him because he on some level wanted to 'die'||?

[dawn kayak]

Sandman ||because it's not a power scaling universe||

||power is relative||

||besides that, they are concepts, just like the endless are concepts, under their specific constraints pretty much all of them are omnipotent||

mmm it's halloween and I'm thinking of a movie to watch

The Fellowship of the Ring is halloween enough, right?

[cobalt onyx]

Cowboy Bebop is technically a Halloween movie

[acoustic pewter]

The first Harry Potter film is technically a Halloween movie

[forest wigeon]

It's more of a Christmas movie than a Halloween movie

[acoustic pewter]

Por que no los dos

[cobalt onyx]

To escape the Marketing Singularity

[buoyant scroll]

Prisoner of Azkaban makes a great Halloween movie

[wraith sand]

https://tenor.com/view/dementors-gif-24211758

[minor ledge]

harry potter
Great movie
Choose one

[buoyant scroll]

🙄

[acoustic pewter]

🙄

Prisoner of Azkaban's a twofer

Easily the best of the movies

[midnight compass]

I mean yeah they're not the best movies but they're still good

[forest wigeon]

some of them

[acoustic pewter]

Even at the height of my Harry Potter fan-ness, I thought Deathly Hallows Part 1 was mid

[midnight compass]

The only one I don't like that much is Half-Blood Prince and even then I'm mainly just annoyed that Harry is an idiot for most of it

[west escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/time-warp-gif-18397571

[ionic lily]

Wooo!

I wish I could have gone this year

[west escarp]

It’s the 50th anniversary but there’ll always be another showing

Not even the pandemic could kill this film

https://www.tumblr.com/legs-are-just-for-show/798957534992121856

Tumblr · Oct 31, 2025, 9:14 PM

[velvet oriole]

Small media fun fact I thought of.

Back when film just was coming out, typically the title/title card was like "X presents [Insert famous actor ] in X."

But then Our Gang kind of changed it, using "X presents Our Gang in X", instead of a famous actor, using their ensemble in the title card.

Long long after this is actually somewhat still carried through with Friend episode names typically being" The one where X..." and in Sunny in Philadelphia even being more explicit with" The gang [does X].

[placid river]

Now seated for Frankenstein!

[inland jetty]

Listening to Lets do the Time Warp Again, and I'm only just now realizing I could have (and should have) watched Rochoy Horror today. Unfortunately, I open at work tomorrow and have to go to bed soon

Ah well, its a good song

[forest wigeon]

At the browser width I use, YouTube now makes the reccomendations take up the full width and I hate it

I have to scroll so far to get to the comments

[minor ledge]

bad movies made by a horrible person

lol

[dusk hound]

I’m gonna say

I hate Deathy Hallows Part 2

[hushed moss]

Watched World War Z. It was pretty fun with a few intense moments.

[ionic lily]

You should read the book, it’s way better

[buoyant scroll]

https://vxtwitter.com/AlexRochonVA/status/1984301241279627509

🦷👁️Alex Rochon👁️🦷 (@AlexRochonVA)

So apparently there was a Pomni costume on The Price is Right for Halloween, which blows my mind in another weird "full circle" kind of way; half the reason the Caine voice came to be is because I watched this show a lot when I was a toddler

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 31, 2025, 4:47 PM

[dusk hound]

That is umm… a LOT of trailers https://vxtwitter.com/DCUHypeGuy/status/1980421995335676385

DCU HYPE (@DCUHypeGuy)

Avatar 3 is rumored to have the trailers for

- The Odyssey
- Spider-Man: Brand New Day
- Avengers Doomsday
- SUPERGIRL https://t.co/9Hjfm5oCwE

vxTwitter / fixvx · Oct 20, 2025, 11:52 PM

How dare they put a movie after my 30 minutes of trailers

My brother is still old enough to remember when people would go and buy tickets for movies in hopes that they would see The Phantom Menace trailer, because trailers weren’t as readily available online

[distant birch]

Oh no I might have to go see avatar for this

[dusk hound]

Honestly makes sense this many trailers would be attached to it, it’s gonna be the highest grossing movie of the year next to Wicked and Minecraft

[molten jetty]

Avatar I don’t get the hype behind but to each their own

[hushed moss]

I have heard that. The movie did feel simplified and the ending felt unfinished. Looking it up it appears that there was supposed to be a trilogy so that kind of makes sense.

I guess that is another book to my tbr that is massively growing due to the Star wars legend read along

[placid river]

Frankenstein 2025 was pretty good!

I literally just finished reading the book too. The movie changed a lot but it got the key beats down, which is better than most other adaptations to my understanding

[ionic lily]

The movie has virtually nothing in common with the book other than the name and zombies

The book is a ||series of vignettes framed as stories told by survivors to a UN worker doing a report on the war||

Very human focused

[hushed moss]

Yeah just reading the blurb for the book makes that clear

[ionic lily]

Best piece of zombie fiction I’ve found

[placid river]

Frankenstein 2025 ||I was pretty surprised that Victor and The Monster actually made their peace by the end. That was pretty neat||

[topaz oyster]

The first one was one of those movies that did fine in the US but quite well internationally and I believe the second was more strongly that way

[minor ledge]

World war Z is such a horrible adaptation

and a mid movie

tbh

[hushed moss]

Fair, was a fun Halloween party movie though.
I still don’t understand why zombies are always doing those teeth clicking things in these kinds of movies though. Like where did that trope come from.

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/georgekinstanza/179969724078/vmae-the-best-scene-in-nosferatu-1922-sound

Oh! I feel it! I feel the cosmos!

🔁 deathtrapnest

The best scene in Nosferatu 1922, sound remastered because i felt that we had to have this

georgekinstanza

Me sneaking into the kitchen at 3:42 to eat leftover pasta

▶ Play video

Tumblr · Nov 10, 2018, 7:08 PM

[acoustic pewter]

I think I underestimated just how popular KDH is

At the church Halloween party I went to last night, I saw five different people dressed up as Rumi, though none of the other Golden Girls or whatever they call themselves.

I also saw two people dressed up as the demon guy, and two other people dressed up as this six-eyed crow with a top hat. And one of those dressed up as the crow had a partner dressed up as that blue Cheshire cat.

[steep bramble]

Huntr/x

[languid sand]

I had a family member whose friend gruop wanted to be the huntr/x group for halloween, but they all wanted to be Zoey and none of them would relent, so they all agreed it would be most fair to just pick another movie lol

[acoustic pewter]

(I think Golden Girls sounds better)

[full wolf]

This reminded me to put on Golden on my drive back from the store so I can help the girls defeat Taylor Swift to restore the Honmoon

[sage forge]

One kid showed up last night dressed as the Derpy Tiger. Her mom had altered a Stitch costume. xD

[placid river]

Golden Girls you say?

[dusk hound]

And when I say this is what DCU Wonder Woman’s costume should look like?? https://x.com/pughsflo/status/1984426607038386306?s=46

Kayla 💜 (@pughsflo)

OMFG SHE IS WONDER WOMAN FOR HALLOWEEN! THIS IS ONE OF SABRINA CARPENTER’S BEST HALLOWEEN COSTUMES EVER! SHE LOOKS SO GOOD ♥️

X · Nov 1, 2025, 1:05 AM

[cold sequoia]

nah, the costume in the movies needs a skirt or pants

[acoustic pewter]

No joke, I'd rather watch this

[west escarp]

It needs less glitter

[lucid haven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/s/ysi2nuHhMZ @naive mica you might appreciate this

[naive mica]

That's cool and well-done, but tbh I'm not really an Azula stan at all.

AtlA ||She's just too horrible and narcissistic for me to find her attractive in any capacity.||

||Now June though, June is mean in a fun way.||

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-you-say-june-avatar-the-last-airbender-if-you-say-so-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-7490459719706774788

[burnt shale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[thin ridge]

You have a much bigger foe now though

[placid river]

ATLA All ||what if she told you your outfit was so sharp it could pierce the hull of a navy ship and send an entire fleet to their death?||

[ionic lily]

Someone recommend me a good spy show please

[steep bramble]

Oh what’s this show called now I’m blanking

[turbid narwhal]

The Americans

[ionic lily]

Something like Slow Horses

[steep bramble]

I liked The Night Manager. Mini series

on Amazon

Though I haven't watched Slow Horses yet so I don't know how similar it is

[lucid haven]

The top coments on the post are all in that vein

[ionic lily]

You should, it’s amazing

[steep bramble]

Yes I want to, its on the list

[ionic lily]

I’ll check out the Night Manager

But what I really want is professional spies doing spy stuff day to day

[steep bramble]

I feel like I have a lot of shows that are mystery vibes and investigation but not spies?

I have some historical movies that are more spies like

But it still feels different

[burnt shale]

That pick up line has been suprisingly effective from what I’ve seen btw

[buoyant scroll]

Just saw Weapons. Great movie

[lucid haven]

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/post/DQhnwvzkV4Q

[molten jetty]

AtLA ||she’s also like 13 so. ||

||I don’t find her attractive, but I do stan her and support her rights and wrongs. Gaslight gatekeep girlboss. 💅 ||

[dusk hound]

Can we get some people who AT LEAST know DC characters Variety???

God I love Ted Lasso

Such a good show

[velvet oriole]

I need to pick that up again.

[dusk hound]

It’s such a feel good show

Helped me out when I was going through a rough patch of depression in 2020

[minor ledge]

Gunn uses threads???

[dusk hound]

Yeah, that’s his main place for communicating with fans and answering questions

[sage finch]

Anyone watch Bugonia

[paper hull]

Yea. I thought it was decently fun.

[minor ledge]

Odd

[keen flax]

LoVM 2x9 ||Grog is on a generational run rn, and him and pike's sibling relationship is so wholesome||

[distant birch]

ooh I think you're getting close to one of my favourite episodes 👀

[molten jetty]

LoVM ||Grog is definitely one of those characters that grows on you||

[burnt shale]

Honestly they cut so many of his best bits too so its speaks alot how good he is presented

[wraith sand]

Is After Earth as horrendously bad as I've heard? I've never seen it, but the basic premise seems interesting. But the movie seems to have an almost The Last Airbender level of memery around it.

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/marywisdom/799088622018150400

Yet Another Geek-Girl

🔁 isthecoporami

Tumblr · Nov 2, 2025, 7:58 AM

[distant birch]

Genuinely tom cruise is the reason I've not yet watched that movie

[merry heath]

Watching the naked gun and stars above i love spoof movies

[west escarp]

https://www.tumblr.com/cannibalings/798660777310650368/theres-actually-a-really-cool-alien-subplot-in

everything is erotic

there’s actually a really cool alien subplot in the Mulder Loves Scully show

-# #jaded #the x files #msr

Tumblr · Oct 28, 2025, 2:37 PM

[topaz oyster]

The short answer is yes. The long answer is that it managed to be something of a death knell for the careers of both M Night Shyamalan and Will Smith, two of the most popular people in Hollywood in the 2000s

Both of them were on the rocks for various reasons before After Earth, but it kind of sealed the deal for both of them in terms of public perception

[keen flax]

LoVM 2x10 ||LOL Keyleth thats what you get for rejecting my Boi 🥴||

||fight went hard too||

||SCANLAN IS A DAD???||

[topaz oyster]

||I'd have been more surprised if he wasn't||

[quasi hatch]

Just a friendly notification, but Legend of Vox Machina discussion should be redirect towards the new #1433164468489289790 thread. (Post? whatever "things in a forum" are called.)

[keen flax]

OH! okay, that makes sense!

[lucid haven]

its a new channel im sure ppl will forget it exists for a while

[keen flax]

No it wasnt that, I just didnt think tv show went in there (despite it being a tv show about critical role) 😂

[lucid haven]

Thats why im glad they outlined that in the pin

[dusk hound]

Gunn: “I think there’s many things to enjoy about comic characters and we shouldn’t be limiting ourselves to any specific version of a character, we shouldn’t let changes to a character get in the way of whether we like a story or not”

Twitter: “OH MY GOD HES GONNA MAKE WONDER WOMAN’S ORIGIN MALE CENTERED, ITS ALL OVER OH MY GOD”

By no means am I trying to put this person on blast, this just frustrated me

This tweet is still evergreen, spoilering it for foul language

[inland jetty]

See, when it happens on tumblr, its at least funny. Its the piss on the poor website for a reason

[novel bear]

so are you gonna do that or

[dusk hound]

No

I actually have a few mutuals on there that I would feel bad for abandoning

[keen flax]

-# the correct answer is to find a second place to talk instead of going on that cesspool of nonsense every day

[dusk hound]

I mean maybe

I like Twitter sometimes

I like it more than I hate it

Sorry I brought it here tho, I just get too heated

[dusk hound]

I think I am just too chronically online

[minor ledge]

okay

but

absolute runs batman symbol is garbage

and most non yellow oval bat symbols in general are garbaqge

[dusk hound]

I actually like the yellow Batman symbol

It’s probably the first thing someone would think about when you ask them to think of a Batman logo

[minor ledge]

i agree

i was saying most non yellow batman symbols suck

[cold sequoia]

context: #1342603794370007050 message
@dawn kayak please explain how the plot of The Deer Hunter, Shakespeare in Love, and The King's Speech are similar

[gritty breach]

how on earth would you play towards the academy on accident

[minor ledge]

Oscar bait is actually just anything Bong Joon Ho

[cold sequoia]

what movies of his have you seen other than parasite?

[minor ledge]

Snowpiercer and mickey 17

[cold sequoia]

ok so his most mainstream stuff

[minor ledge]

yeah i dont speak korean and subs annoy me

[cold sequoia]

Parasite winning best picture was significant because it wasn't english language

[cold sequoia]

movies in korean sort of by definition were not oscar bait since most academy members are the same

Snowpiercer is not oscar bait, it's an action movie

[dawn kayak]

also because it's a very good movie that has very high social relevance in its country of origin and decent relevance in other countries

[ionic lily]

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon should have won

[dawn kayak]

though memories of murder is his best one and it's not even close

[minor ledge]

well yeha

i was making a joke

[cold sequoia]

ok so what movies of his do your think are oscar bait?

[minor ledge]

Mickey 17 and kind of parasite

[cold sequoia]

in hind sight maybe, Gladiator is a good movie but I think it's not aged as well

[crystal brook]

How is Mickey 17 oscar bait

[heavy anchor]

Okay I'm here to be grumpy

ATLA all ||I've seen this argument before, and it deeply bugs me
People consistently claiming that because of his past, somehow everything good that Iroh does in the show is completely invalidated.
I think it doesn't help that most of his character development occurred off screen and we're mostly on the back end of it. But I feel this is just a bad faith argument. It's pretty easy to pick up that he and Ozai were probably pretty similar at some point in time, likely because they were raised that way, to be cruel and warmongers. I blame that more on their father than on them. The key difference is how they react to their son in danger/dying. One doubles down, goes all in on cruelty and imperialism, and the other basically abandons the familys values, does deep soul searching, and then eventually helps found the white lotus to bring about peace, and helps Zuko find peace and love as well. Did he cause a lot of death when he was younger? Yeah, he did. But he almost certainly just didn't understand the impact of what he was doing, and when he DID understand he spends literally the rest of his life bringing as much good into the world as possible. And drinking lots of tea.
Saying that all the good he brought about is invalid because of choices he made when he was younger is callous and stupid. People change. Some for the bad, some for the better. Saying that change means nothing misses the point of life, the message of ATLA, and why Iroh is so wise in the first place. I doubt he'd be as wise as he is if he hadn't been through the spiritual trenches and done DEEP soul searching. ||

||after all, what good are we if we're only our worst choices||

[stoic falcon]

Atla all ||huh, never heard that argument before tbh. But yeah, hard agree there. I dont see the idea of redemption as making up for the harm yoh caused. Its about changing and becoming better imo, and seeking to do so, not actually succeeding necessarily||

Same + stormlight all ||I kind of have the same view on dalinar tbh. Yes, he couldnt make up for what he did and didnt face justice. But he did still become a good man. Not iroh levels for sure, but he was seeking to improve and overcome all of his flaws, leading to his choices in wat||

[lucid haven]

I honestly feel that a major point here comes back to irl stuff. Where so many poeple are judged on what they did 10 or 20 years ago when they clearly are proving to us now that they have changed and aren't the same person they used to be. Rather than congratulate and help the person continue to improve we just push them down and push them away because they did this thing before and discount all the good they've done since.

[lucid haven]

Someone animated the intro of atla with all the cards that match the intro from magic the gathering ||https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTMqtutmS/||

[dawn kayak]

when the "thing you've done before" is mass murder I understand the reticence tbh

like, ATLA ||Iroh can get away with it because he isn't real, the people he killed directly and indirectly as the commander of an invading force aren't even words, they are just implied in his background sheet so it's kind of whatever. But if we lived in the world of ATLA, there would be no forgiveness for him||

[naive mica]

AtlA all ||it's almost like the emotional core of the show is that there's hope for redemption for everyone, should they choose to put in that bitter work. And Iroh did. We don't see most of it, but idk how anyone could watch Tales of Ba Sing Se and not see how much Iroh suffered to become the person he is during the show.||

Also, AtlA lore ||Did Iroh found the White Lotus, or join an existing organization? I got the impression of the latter personally.||

[naive mica]

See this is why the Internet was made. For fun crem like this.

[heavy anchor]

Honestly no clue

[inland jetty]

atla lore ||we see the White Lotus Society in action in both Kyoshi and Yangchen's books, so it goes back quite a ways||

[naive mica]

That's what I thought, thanks.

[naive mica]

AtlA ||I think you're mixing up redemption and forgiveness. People are under no obligation to forgive Iroh for his past crimes and in fact are perfectly valid if they don't. But that doesn't mean he can't find his own personal redemption.||

[cold sequoia]

ATLA ||did he find his own personal redemption though? My impression is that he's still guilty of his past ||

[dawn kayak]

ATLA ||I'd hope so, it's more than his victims get to be||

ATLA ||there should be a second Tales of Ba Sing Se episode showing a portion of the lives that Iroh destroyed in his prime||

[gritty sierra]

atla ||finding redemption doesn't mean the crime goes away? tbh, on the contrary, it can't be redemption if there is nothing to be guilty of in the first place||

[lucid haven]

Atla ||redemption is not an excuse or anything of the sort. Its taking responsibility for the actions and being a better person in the future and not repeating the mistakes of the past. He is still a monster for doing what he did. But he has realised how much pain he caused and how real it is for everyone when his son died. I dont think any of this was real to him untill that point in time||

[dawn kayak]

more people should read Hunter x Hunter is what I'm saying

[lucid haven]

I have watched that anime and you might have gotten different things out of it than I did

[dawn kayak]

now there's a fun show that does interesting things with redemption, guilt, responsibility and all that

[oak ivy]

||i honestly dont think of iroh’s arc in terms of redemption anyways. The story starts with him already a different person than who invaded ba sing se, and the story doesnt delve into that change. All notions of redemption are through zuko||

I also dont know off the top of my head where hxh gets into redemption in depth

[dawn kayak]

HxH all ||the entire second half of the chimera ants arc?||

[oak ivy]

I think redemption is often overused as a label. Someone changing is not the same as being redeemed, for example.

[naive mica]

AtlA all ||For me the line for redemption (and to some extent forgiveness too) is whether someone understands (truly understands, on an emotional level) what they did wrong. And guilt is an inherent part of it. I haven't forgiven my abuser because she hasn't shown me that she's seeking redemption for herself. She apologizes for what she did to me but goes through the same hurtful patterns, which to me demonstrates that she hasn't really grown or changed or understands why what she did was wrong. She just goes through the motions because she thinks that's how forgiveness works.||

||I think the show takes a similar viewpoint to mine. Iroh can redeem himself because he understands deeply what he did wrong. He feels guilty probably every day of his life, and he's sought out a life of simple peace and prosperity because he's decided that's the best way he can try to do good, where he is in life. I also personally suspect his own redemption in his mind was figuring out how to save Zuko from the cycle of abuse that was his family, which was atonement for failing his son.||

||On the flip side, we see in the Southern Raiders what it looks like when someone doesn't deserve either redemption or forgiveness. Yon Rha went through the motions of acting like he was sorry for killing Katara's mom. But a breath later, he offered up his own mom (whom he resented) because he thought that's how he could make it "right" while saving his own sniveling hide. Yon Rha is an example of a character who didn't feel guilt for what he did and didn't try to redeem himself and do better. And the show makes a sharp point of not forgiving him.||

||Ultimately I think this is the big difference between fiction and real life. People in real life, for a multitude of reasons, don't ever truly change for the better of their past actions. They don't seek to grow or learn from their mistakes, and instead just double down. And tbh I think the mentality of "people who do horrible things don't deserve happiness/peace/redemption" is a big contributor to this. If people can't be redeemed for their past misdeeds, then there's no incentive to not repeat those past deeds.||

[oak ivy]

||i dont think meruem is redeemed. He changes, which is different||

[dawn kayak]

HxH all ||this is also addressed as far back as York New with Gon talking with Chrollo||

HxH all ||like, the whole "how can someone who has done such horrible things feel love and sadness" that Gon has with Chrollo and then gets even a bigger focus with Pitou is a commentary about redemption in media (especially of villains)||

[oak ivy]

||for it to be redemption, there needs to be a reexamination of actions. It is a commentary about compassion, but neither chrollo or pitou even believe themselves to have done anything wrong||

[terse crystal]

https://boxd.it/bANfX3

[midnight compass]

AtLA all ||I am curious, if you don't think Iroh's actions are enough, what would he have to do to make you satisfied?||

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||what is the proper compensation for a murder? how do you pay back the lives you ruined?||

[lucid haven]

are you saying an eye for an eye and a life for a life ?

what are you saying here

[dawn kayak]

I'm not saying anything, I'm asking

[cold sequoia]

||I don't think you do pay it back||

[novel bear]

feel like it would be very easy to ask "what actually is redemption" hard enough that you convince yourself there is no such thing

[cold sequoia]

||it's always a mark on your ledger so to speak, doing good deeds will not erase it. You can hope that the victim's family, and if you are spiritual the victim themself, forgives you ||

[gritty sierra]

"paying it back" is not really IN the definition of redemption. lots of things can't be taken back or paid for. that word might be "atonement". redemption nevertheless is not off the table.

[dawn kayak]

avatar tangential ||personally I feel like that only makes the perpetrator feel better about themselves, which I'm not sure I like tbh they did end a (or multiple) lives, ruined families, shattered dreams and all that. It feels a bit... undeserving that they get to just have a clean conscience and feel good about themselves after doing that||

||like I dunno if I'm down with the perpetrator getting to have peace while the survivors of their crimes still struggle with their grief||

[novel bear]

||are you arguing for punitive justice? what is the difference here, to you, between being mentally punitive and physically punitive?||

[azure fern]

|| who said anything about having a clean conscience and peace of mind? I think if you seek redemption to get rid of the feeling of guilt you're missing the point entirely and not actually getting redemption ||

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||I'm not arguing for anything, at most I'm saying that it would be interesting for Avatar to explore someone who had their life ruined by dragon of the west Iroh and see how they feel about all that||

[dawn kayak]

||why would you seek redemption if not for that?||

[molten jetty]

||because it is the right thing to do? To be better and change, to bear the weight of the wrongs you’ve done and change for the better anyway||

[dawn kayak]

avatar tangential ||and what drives you to do that? is it not to feel better about yourself?||

[molten jetty]

||nope. Because it is right. Feeling good and feeling like you’ve done right / been honorable are completely separate concepts. Oftentimes the right thing to do feels bad. ||

[lucid haven]

AtlA || at no point does iroh look like or act like he has a clear concscience||

quite the opposite in fact

[novel bear]

||assuming this is how it works (which is probably an undecideable philosophical debate), does "feeling good about yourself" inherently sum up into one thing? you can feel horrible about your past for the rest of your life, and still choose to do good in the present because that feels better than continuing to do bad. this would leave you with a guilty conscience overall while still motivating you to improve.||

[azure fern]

What pizza said

[lucid haven]

AtlA || iroh acts as if he wants to be away from everything and to attone for his sins of the past by giving zuko the life his son never had, he spends literally the entire time trying to push zuko to the path he wish HE had been on and to prevent zuko from turning into either iroh or ozai. He spends what seems like his entire life doing things to prevent other atrocities from occoriung and making sure that his actions are never repeated by anyone in the future. He goes out of his way to bring joy and happyness and peace into everyones life around him. Idk what redemption truly is but iroh lives a life where he is trying to make sure that

1. his actions cant be repeated by others
2. zuko lives a life his son diserved
3. he gives deliciousness and joy to others||

[azure fern]

and I havent watched HxH but you said something about || "how can someone who has done horrible things feel love and sadness" and I'm like . People are not made up of a single emotion. You can have done something horrible, feel legitimate guilt about it, seek reparations or to improve yourself and change, continue to feel guilty, but also feel love and sadness for completely unrelated things. You can feel more than one emotion, simultaneously, sometimes even contradictory emotions! Shocker, I know, humans do be like that ||

[molten jetty]

||I also think that you can do good because it is good and not because it makes you feel good. Like… being a kind and moral person is not out of a desire for cosmic feeback. You do it because it’s right. ||

[novel bear]

Should people who have committed murder be allowed to eat chocolate and release happiness chemicals in their brain?

What if it's their birthday?

[lucid haven]

AtlA ||in all of this is the like "why do good things for others" and my solution to that is purely selfish where i want my life to be better and the only way to do that that i can see is to lift everyone else up around me and personally that is what i think iroh saw and switched too when his son died. He saw that what he was doing was removing all of everyone elses sons from their lives and what pain it caused him, he was able to empathise with others for the 1st time. It broke him and changed him forever.

what would you have them do when he has clearly shown that he knows what he did was wrong and is doing his best to make sure that no one can ever do what he did again?||

[burnt shale]

||By nature of Korra we know it has to be older beacuse history of the red lotus even ignoring books ||Avatar Korra all

[naive mica]

AtlA all ||This is the point I made about Iroh vs Yon Rha. Yon Rha sought to erase his guilt, Iroh sought to channel his guilt into doing something better with his life.||

[dawn kayak]

Avatar tangential ||that's usually not how it works (and it definitely isn't in Iroh's case), people don't just turn a key and decide that what they were doing is bad and they should start doing good now. Oftentimes the catalyst for that change is guilt||

[dawn kayak]

you probably should read HxH tbh you are talking on very incomplete information and completely missing the point of what I said lmao

[novel bear]

||that's basically Zuko's arc though tbh||

[molten jetty]

AtLA ||but that guilt is what propels you to the realization you must do better. That doesn’t make it easy or make you feel good. It might be incredibly painful and difficult to do good, but the guilt can drive you to do it anyway. How is that any different from what I said?||

||you can do good, not to make yourself feel good, but because it is good ||

[buoyant scroll]

||To be clear it's a character in the story grappling with trying to understand that, cause they themselves actually have a warped sense of people and empathy||

[forest wigeon]

ATLA ||Zuko also isn't Iroh and never really did anything that bad||

[dawn kayak]

Avatar tangential ||to improve what? yourself? the world around them? the lives they ruined? all of those? but beyond that, do they get to feel happy after what they've done? do they even deserve the chance to improve their life that they did not give others?||

[naive mica]

Atla tangential ||I feel "deserve" is a really loaded term and is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this line of reasoning.||

[dawn kayak]

||and you can assuage your guilt by doing that, making yourself feel better about if not what you've done, at least how far you've come. It's a nice self pat in the back||

[naive mica]

||There's no objective arbiter of morality that's deciding what we "deserve".||

[cold sequoia]

||these are fine questions to ask but I think you need to answer them if you are going to use them to support your argument||

[naive mica]

||We can decide what we think we and others deserve. And that's wholely independent from what other people decide.||

[burnt shale]

||I think it should be pointed out even before his son died he was already doing unexpected things like sparing the dragons. Iroh certainly participated in conquest but based on what we do know of him I have my doubts as to the severity of his crimes compared to even those the typical soldier is forced to engage with in war while its possible he commited warcrimes I have yet to see any distinct evidence. Given that and the fact he played a pivotal part in liberating the city he is famous for attacking its easy to imagine his mixed legacy being relativly respected as merely a soldier who got disallusioned rather thana war criminal who swaped sides ||Avatar all

[molten jetty]

Lmao

I’m walking away

[forest wigeon]

||I think the implied answers are no||

[novel bear]

to improve what? yourself? the world around them? the lives they ruined? all of those?
The first one not necessarily, the next three yes.
but beyond that, do they get to feel happy after what they've done?
Who said that's part of the operation?
do they even deserve the chance to improve their life that they did not give others?
Yes. Are you arguing for punitive justice or execution? I'm confused at whether you're just asking questions here, or if you want to specifically disagree with this.

[cold sequoia]

||Naru claims to just be asking questions which is why I ask them to clarify||

[gritty sierra]

||too much hinges on "implication", if the personal answer is "no", then just say it and let's carry on from that||

[dawn kayak]

avatar tangential ||my answer is that you cannot put a fired arrow back in the bow||

[inland jetty]

||*them||

[naive mica]

AtlA ||so..."no"? Just say what you mean. Stop talking in circles.||

[burnt shale]

||Arrows are resuable tho. ||

[azure fern]

Thanks for clarifying, but the way Naru keeps arguing about this it seems like they believe someone shouldn't be able to feel those things, so that's how I interpreted them bringing that quote up

[dawn kayak]

you can go grab the arrow out of the ground and nock it again. That arrow was still fired

[forest wigeon]

ATLA tangential ||Well, yeah. You can't change the past. But you can change the future||

[dawn kayak]

I'm not arguing for anything, and I don't have an answer to those questions, I am just asking them honestly

[cold sequoia]

in the business of internet commenting we call that JAQing
I'm just asking questions bro

[dawn kayak]

like, does an apology really change anything or does it just make you feel better about yourself because you've apologised?

[novel bear]

In reality a lot of questions like this get complicated by specifics. Like if there's a serial killer who gleefully killed two dozen people, then I'm not going to argue we should let them out of prison and just give them therapy sessions so they can realize it was bad. The opportunities we choose to give people have to be balanced against the risks toward everyone else. But I can't imagine a world where it's productive to try and directly police whether that serial killer is allowed to, in their decades in prison, go through a personal internal journey of recognition of their mistakes.

[dawn kayak]

ATLA tangential ||do you deserve to, after stealing someone else's opportunity to?||

[forest wigeon]

ATLA ||What's the alternative? Dying?||

[dawn kayak]

do the families of the victims deserve some kind of compensation from the killer for what they have done to them?

I don't know

[novel bear]

I mean if the serial killer was super rich then maybe we'd have a way to get that (the government would probably just take it though tbh) but most of the time that's just not really a practical question

[dawn kayak]

is money enough compensation for a life lost?

[novel bear]

Of course not, but it's about the only compensation that even could be practically done, so it's where my mind jumped when you brought up compensation

[dawn kayak]

well there've been people throughout history who thought it was

it didn't necessarily work very well all of the time though

[novel bear]

How people respond to apologies is highly individual and dependent on specific circumstances, but apologies absolutely can mean things to people even in extreme cases. Humans are social creatures and a lot of trauma can be directly related to the perpetrator of a crime treating the crime as acceptable.

e.g. the following is something I haven't read directly about, but heard mentioned by someone recently, so I'm not talking about it with authority atm without doing further research. But I've heard about cases where getting an apology from an abuser can be healing for the abusee, without the abusee giving any forgiveness to the abuser, because the abuse involved gaslighting and manipulating the abusee to think that how they were treated is okay. Hearing the apology helps them break free from the mental strain of believing they deserved the abuse.

[forest wigeon]

It's better for society for people to do good things, regardless of what they've done in the past. Someone who just wallows in guilt is a drain on society

[lucid haven]

i think its almost imperative that we help those who are in need of rehabilitation to get towards a place where they can not re offend and not kill again in this specific situation. We as a sociaty have failed not only the victims of the serial killer but also the serial killer themselves if they dont get help while in prison

[gritty sierra]

kind of doing a tour through history of "what did societies do with people who killed others", from blood revenge, to weregilds, to capital punishment, to... anyway, the word "deserve" is going to be the biggest barrier to moving past punitive measures when someone has acted badly. shame.

[dawn kayak]

I ask these questions because I'm interested in your answers, I've given mine at the very beginning of the conversation

[novel bear]

I absolutely agree that's the goal, but I think specific cases have existed that do push our ability to do so. We should try to rehabilitate everyone, but I don't think we will always succeed (for the practical limitations if nothing else).

[dawn kayak]

do the people who got wronged not deserve the peace of knowing that the perpetrator won't be rehabilitated, though?

[naive mica]

Yep. And often some people can't be rehabilitated. Some degree of failure on that front is inevitable. But that doesn't mean we should stop trying.

[midnight compass]

Did you? I asked what you think Iroh should have done and you just responded with more questions

[dawn kayak]

ye from the very first message

[forest wigeon]

No

[naive mica]

Does knowing that the perpetrator won't be rehabilitated actually bring people peace though?

[forest wigeon]

Revenge is bad

[naive mica]

In fact I'd argue the exact opposite from my personal experience.

[dawn kayak]

from what I've seen, yeah

[midnight compass]

Like it sounds like you're saying [ATLA all] ||Iroh should have turned himself in to the Earth Nation and (most likely) have been executed or imprisoned for life, but I'm not sure||

[dawn kayak]

shout out to that one old scottish lady interview 🙏

she was the goat

[naive mica]

Well in that case I feel bad for the people involved in those situations. Real bad. Wallowing in your misery and wishing other people to be miserable because you were wronged...that's its own justification for abuse and misdeeds.

It's what my mother does every time I try to have a heart-to-heart about how she raised me. She immediately gets defensive and lashes out at me because she perceives my acknowledging her abuse as a personal attack on her. No interest on her part for doing better, just on making me as miserable as she is.

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||I don't think the answer is so simple (assuming we were living in the Avatar world)||

(my initial answer was (Avatar all) || Iroh can get away with it because he isn't real, the people he killed directly and indirectly as the commander of an invading force aren't even words, they are just implied in his background sheet so it's kind of whatever. But if we lived in the world of ATLA, there would be no forgiveness for him||)

[midnight compass]

Then what do you think it is?

[dawn kayak]

genuinely don't know

[naive mica]

Me personally, I don't want the people who wronged me to never find peace. In fact I want quite the opposite. I want them to grow. Do better. Be better. Acknowledge that they hurt me, and use that understanding to prevent themselves from hurting anyone else in the future.

[dawn kayak]

well it's less "don't know" and more "there's a lot of nuance"

[frank quail]

this is a poorly worded double question

1. Do the victims deserve to be at peace?
2. Is "knowing that the perpetrator won't be rehabilitated" a viable path to that peace?

[novel bear]

I respect that old scottish lady, but I don't think we should structure the rules and norms of society based off of such a phenomenon

[dawn kayak]

many ifs and buts

[gritty sierra]

there have to be ifs and buts

[novel bear]

Personally I can think of people I hope rot in hell, but I'm not out here saying that the most effective way to build a society is that we just kill people when we feel like that

[dawn kayak]

there is another example but uh

extremely political

though it's brazillian politics

[naive mica]

Most of which you're not really engaging with tbh

[dawn kayak]

still probably off limits though

I think I can say this: there is a brazillian politician that the more bad things happen to the happier I will be

[cold sequoia]

I'd argue that the whole point of having a criminal justice system should be that people like the old scottish lady don't dictate how criminals are handled

[dawn kayak]

something about there being two lines at their burial

[cold sequoia]

having a system focused on retribution just leads to recidivism and dehumanization, neither of which are societally or mentally healthy

[dawn kayak]

oh just thought of another example but unsure if it's too political, is Kissinger too political?

[cold sequoia]

yes

[dawn kayak]

oh 😔

[naive mica]

Yeah, a revenge based or retribution focused justice system (or just cultural norms along those lines) leads to more misery in my experience. Knowing the other person isn't rehabilitated doesn't bring peace. Hoping that they're not rehabilitated often brings the opposite

[dawn kayak]

yeah letting the people decide on justice tends to end very badly, historically speaking

[cold sequoia]

glad we can agree one this

-# I know you are sarcastically agreeing but a sarcastic agreement with something that's just correct is funny in a different way

[dawn kayak]

I'm not sarcastically agreeing though 😭

mob justice is unequivocally bad

it's how we got some horrible things

lynchings are bad!

[cold sequoia]

a retributive justice system is just mob justice with a clean coat of paint

[dawn kayak]

caveats there but yeah I tend to agree

[lucid haven]

totally agree as well there are specific cases which mean we really dont have a practical way to do anything to help them

[lucid haven]

if you agree then how can you be asking the questions you are which have implications of answers with in them

the way you ask these questions have implied answers wethere you think they do or not

[dawn kayak]

because they are questions I ask myself

[naive mica]

I have a question for the chat, to try and bring this back around to AtlA.

Well, mostly for Naru but I also thrive on discussion and want to hear other folks' opinions.

AtlA ||Would the world of Avatar be a better place if Iroh had not been redeemed/rehabilitated?||

Let's assume that he fulfills those criteria/definitions. I know they're not the same but for the sake of argument. Let's assume it.

[full wolf]

In what way is someone not being rehabilitated a source of peace for the victims? Like, if somebody hurt me, I would want them to be rehabilitated so they don't hurt more people after me.

"Don't worry, victim, the person who hurt you continues to be a terrible person and keeps committing atrocities and hurting people to this day."

"Thank goodness, I feel so much peace knowing that they never changed their behavior at all and didn't get any redemption or rehabilitation. That is what I wanted after they made me suffer." 😌

[molten jetty]

AtLA ||no, because his redemption frees Ba Sing Se, it enables Zuko to be Firelord and not create a power vacuum in the Fire Nation, and most importantly, it lets Ba Sing Se have the best Teahouse ever||

[forest wigeon]

ATLA ||If Iroh had not been redeemed, Zuko would have killed Aang and Ozai would have torched the entire world. So obviously not||

[molten jetty]

ATLA ||the most important thing is Zuko joining Team Avatar to warn them about the plans to burn the Earth Kingdom tbh||

[buoyant scroll]

Oh there's tons of people that'd rather see the criminal be tortured forever

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||mmm I mean it depends on what you mean by not redeemed and better place. Like, if he kept being the general, maybe the Fire Nation would have been even more effective and that would have led to a world with less war but under the fire nation's fist which some people might see as good (I wouldn't agree); even if he still left the army, then Zuko might not have changed (though he still might have, since his catalyst was his time alone in the Earth nation). Ultimately I think things would have more or less ended up the same tbh||

[dawn kayak]

I don't think there is a way I can answer this without being political so I'm just going to shout out the old scottish lady again, she was the goat 🙏

[buoyant scroll]

The obsession with tormentous punishment is kind of a massive cultural issue here

[dawn kayak]

also going to shoutout the Liverpool FC fans 🙏

[gritty sierra]

i've personally circled around to "they deserve to be punished" because that's what "feels right and just" is an evil pov

[lucid haven]

who or what is the old scottish lady?

[gritty sierra]

but that's me

[dawn kayak]

can I link the video or is it too political?

[lucid haven]

could you instead just explain what you mean

when you reference her

[dawn kayak]

not without just describing the video lmao

[cold sequoia]

it's a news clip of a old lady talking about being happy to here the news of the death of a prominent british politician

[dawn kayak]

too bad, too bad 😌

[lucid haven]

ahh see i just think being happy at someone elses death is an evil position. as much as i want the death of some specific politicans my self i dont believe thats good for socaity

[naive mica]

AtlA ||Tbh I'm not sure they would have even gotten that far. Zuko would have likely sank during that storm in book 1||

[lucid haven]

im glad when specific poeple have died so the things they did are no longer being done but would be much happier if we could find a way to do that with out depriving children of their parents

[cold sequoia]

I think further discussion of the deaths of real people and how we feel about them will quickly go off the rails so let's walk away from that particular subject

[lucid haven]

AtlA || in this hypothetical i just dont believe we get to the point of zuko hunting the avatar at all, iroh just does ozai things and everything kicks off earlier||

[lucid haven]

yeah like i was trying not to discuss real poeple who have really died

[naive mica]

||So it would likely have ended with Zhao capturing Aang and the team failing 'em before they even reached the North Pole. Additionally, if they made it that far, Toph would have probably left the Gaang and Aang would have never learned Earthbending. And if they managed to make it to Ba Sing Se after that, they would have lost Katara to Azula capturing her.||

[lucid haven]

just more a general sentimnt of my opinion on this topic rather than specifics of specific humans

[cold sequoia]

Let's walk away from alluding to such cases as well

[lucid haven]

i wasnt alluding to anything literally

you can think what you want but i wasnt

[naive mica]

But even setting main story stuff aside. ||Would the other people Iroh crossed paths with over the show be better off?||

I think the answer is a resounding "no" either way.

[lucid haven]

i was trying to say that in the context of the atla stuff i would rather that the muder dosent happen and that we are able to rehabilitate humans who have done things we deem bad in order for those bad things to not continu e

so sometimes im glad when someone has died for the pure reason that their actions are no longer taking place but wish that didnt have to happen so we dont deprive children of their parents

like i dont want to talk about the context of this scottish lady stuff

[cobalt onyx]

ATLA all, Korra all ||I think redemption is a lifelong journey. Was Iroh a better person by the end of the world, someone you'd expect to do the morally right thing? Absolutely. But until his death (and arguably until <current point in the series> since he decided to become an immortal ghost instead of dying and reincarnating as is normal in the setting), he is merely on the road to redemption. IMO, redemption is a post-mortem observation.||

[naive mica]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that (AtlA all) ||The Earth Kingdom soldiers successfully capture Iroh in episode 1-7. They haul him back to Ba Sing Se, where he's put on trial and either executed or imprisoned for life. What happens then? As I mentioned already, without Iroh's guiding voice of temperance, there's a very good chance Zuko's ship would have been destroyed in the storm (1-12), probably killing Zuko and everyone on board. Which means the Blue Spirit never breaks Aang out of Zhao's prison. Katara and Sokka might have attempted a rescue for Aang after they recovered, but at that point in the show neither of them were particularly skilled fighters and I'd put money on them failing. So there, end of the series, Fire Nation wins.||

||There's other scenarios we could play out, but I think more broadly you're vastly underestimating how important Iroh's (often calm, forceful when needed) guidance of Zuko was. Zuko was a very damaged person, and he didn't come to his own redemption by himself. He did it by following the ideals that Iroh taught him. Without Iroh beating him over the head with the idea that he can choose his own destiny, I highly doubt he would have broken free of his abusers.||

[lucid haven]

journey before destination radiant

[cobalt onyx]

ATLA all ||tbh, we don't even (necessarily) need to rely on his wisdom; his unique martial skills might have saved the ship during the storm (he sloppily redirects a bolt of lightning, iirc)||

[azure fern]

Atla || Zuko would have failed several times if Iroh had been captured in Ep 7. If not in the Storm then in the North Pole. If not in the North Pole then definitely when Azula came to capture him in S2E1. If he miraculously escaped that on his own, he would still be on the run and would probably not be able to escape into Ba Sing Se (remember it was the White Lotus who orchestrated that). ||

|| Ironically the only reason Iroh is not captured is Zuko. It does come full circle ||

[naive mica]

AtlA ||Iroh was the one who redirected the lightning during the storm.||

[azure fern]

-# I think that's what Sharf meant

[cobalt onyx]

ATLA all ||yeah, the hedging was more on if that would've cost the ship, and whether it was actually sloppy with a hint of "did they really show off lightning redirection that blatantly that early?"||

[naive mica]

Ah gotcha.

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||if all else fails to rescue Aang he just avatar states his way out 🤷 either that or some other form of deus ex machina. I think Zuko could have had pretty much the same arc without Iroh, but even if he was gone from the story I don't think things change too much||

[lucid haven]

Atla || you realise that iroh is one of the major drivers of the end of the series and through out is the main reason zuko realises he should join the avatar and that his abuse isnt all that he is. ||

Atla || i dont see how you can watch that series and come out with "well zuko would could have pretty much the same arc with out iroh". How do you justify that?||

[naive mica]

I think we're just approaching the question from a fundamentally different direction than Naru. I'm trying to actually reason through how Iroh moves through the world, and Naru is just invoking "the plot happens because the plot happens."

Not seeing this coming is probably on me tbh.

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||besides plot happening, I think Zuko would end up more or less where he ended up anyway if he had a chance to, Iroh pushed him in a direction but he could get there on his own 🤷 ||

[ionic lily]

||I don’t think he would have. It’s Iroh’s example that gave him the ability to||

[lucid haven]

yeah i dont see how you justify this statement plot asside

[craggy birch]

ATLA ||To Glam's question, I think Iroh not seeking redemption would mean we basically don't even get to the point where ep 1-7 even happen. Presumably if he stayed bad, he would have stayed with the Fire Nation (even if he stepped away for a time to mourn his son). So the Earth Kingdom wouldn't even exist by episode 1. If so, the Water tribes would both have likely already fallen too. Katara never finds Aang, Aang stays in the iceberg, and everything is all evil all the time||

[naive mica]

Yeah tbh (AtlA all) ||thinking that Zuko worked out his redemption arc entirely on his own feels like a fundamental misreading of the show on multiple levels to me.|| With that in mind, I'm just gonna bow out of any future discourse because on this with Naru idk how to have a conversation with that in play.

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||his time in the earth nation would have gotten him there pretty much the same ||

[ionic lily]

||He never would have gotten there without Iroh, or even understood the lessons||

[dawn kayak]

Avatar all ||like, yeah, Iroh helps but it's his time living with the girl in the Earth nation, being helped by them and being able to relate to them as a person that does most of his growth||

[oak ivy]

avatar all ||naru i think you are conflating redemption with a character getting punished to your satisfaction, and these are emphatically not the same thing. both because punishment is not necessarily for redemption, and because redemption is not exclusively in the realm of the observer, typically there is a spiritual element as well. also iroh's arc is not about redemption tbh||

[turbid narwhal]

Did you shave your hair?

[heavy anchor]

Didn't know that, fun to learn

[inland jetty]

Avatar lore ||Also notable in that regard is that while that only covers 300 or so years of their history, their appearance in Yangchen's books also mentions that a prior Avatar interacted with them directly and openly (as in they knew about the WLS, not that the WLS itself was a publically known group) long ago, long enough that the White Lotus Society themselves have no record of it, so they really old||

[terse crystal]

No but having pattern baldness before 30 does hit you hard

[cold sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-nl-bald-gets-criticized-once-egg-gif-1680028804780224124

[distant birch]

I miiight start watching My Adventures With Superman soon 👀

[dusk hound]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[west escarp]

I have not forgiven them for what they did to Livewire

Stripped her of her unique backstory

[lucid haven]

how was it

im looking forward to watching it because it seemed crazy and i really need some of this brand of crazy in my life right now to distract

[terse crystal]

its quite good

its crazy but not in an escapist type of way

[lucid haven]

is it too real?

or at least too close to some irl things

to be escapist?

[terse crystal]

Both and neither

[crystal brook]

have you watched the original ooc? @terse crystal

[terse crystal]

like I said good film but it gets pretty cynical at the end for a reason that is a spoiler

[crystal brook]

the south korean film its based off of

[terse crystal]

I have not

[distant birch]

My Adventures With Superman 1 ||ok this is very fun||

[distant birch]

My Adventures With Superman 2 ||why is everyone so ||

||so our hot evil black ops man is one of the main villains it seems 👀 ||

[silver oyster]

just finished the sixth ep of mr robot

damn

what an ending

[topaz oyster]

Helluva show

[silver oyster]

going from line of duty to this show feels like a great decision
and i loved line of duty

[topaz oyster]

A lot of people went to Silo during their post-Severance depression but I think Mr Robot is a lot more similar to Severance than Silo is

[silver oyster]

I can't see Silo filling anything like the Severance-shaped hole

and I enjoyed Silo well enough

[lucid haven]

Silo just isnt on the same caliber

Its good tho

[minor ledge]

AppleTV is great

best streaming service original shows

[keen flax]

gasp wait! I have apple TV!

You know what that means guys

[acoustic pewter]

You can watch Severance

[keen flax]

Yes!! XD

[dusk hound]

She’s gonna love Helly

[acoustic pewter]

YES!

Who doesn't love Helly?

[ivory night]

Slow horses

SLOW HORSES

SLOOOOOOOWWWW HORSES

[frank quail]

Ok but she also still needs to finish the dozen series she's already started

[ivory night]

Also for all mankind seasons one and two

Don’t worry about the rest

[silver oyster]

Ted Lasso was fun too

i kinda hate watched Foundation

I liked the sci-fi elements but hated the acting and characters

Silo is solid. Not Severance level, but solid

Shrinking was ok, but it has Harrison Ford actually acting and putting in effort and that was worth a view imo

[keen flax]

Its only the next 5 seasons of Expanse and LoVM! thats not too bad.... and arcane. And maybe some other 4th thing I forgot 🤣

[winged mountain]

really hope the next season of Severance is better than the second half of the last one, I loved the first half but the second just felt like the series regressed

[acoustic pewter]

Huh. I thought that was where it ramped up.

There was maybe one episode I wasn't so fond of, but mainly because it came directly after one of the best episodes and it was easy to notice the significant contrast between them.

[molten jetty]

cough Lord of the Rings cough

[minor ledge]

just watched murderbot and that was good

[azure fern]

"only" 5 seasons of a show is wild, cosmic

LoVM though you have very little left. Go do it!

[acoustic pewter]

Severance S2 E7 and E8 ||I'm referring specifically to the Gemma episode followed by the Cobel episode. The Gemma episode was a beautiful work of art with gorgeous storytelling and cinematography, and the Cobel episode right afterward, while still good, felt kind of dull in comparison.||

[azure fern]

when you're done with S3, M9 will be releasing so you can jump right into that and delay all these other stuff

[frail mulch]

Murderbot being weekly 30 min chucks always left me with a "wait, that's it for the week??" feeling even though I do like a weekly distribution for better fan discussion

[keen flax]

Yeah 30 min shows are a BLESSING

[molten jetty]

I’m pro 2 episode premiere, then 6-8 one hour episodes + 2 episode finale

[keen flax]

I am not used to watching hour long segments

[molten jetty]

I think 30 minute shows just don’t have enough time for what they have to do often

[minor ledge]

I was like "huhh only 30 minutes??"

[molten jetty]

Especially when we only get 8-12 episodes

[minor ledge]

i dont agree

[molten jetty]

Like if we had 20-25 episode seasons still I’d like 30-minute episodes

[frail mulch]

Everyone is at least mostly on the same temporal page- I'm woefully behind on the most recent Love is Blind season (though I think they dropped them in chunks over three weeks), so there's big spoiler blocks of discussion in one of my other servers even though I think I already know the ending

[winged mountain]

I think 30-40 minutes, for me, would be the sweet spott? Like, total runtime. I think 50-60 minutes is too long, but the classic 22 minutes (for a 30 minute timeslot) may be too short

[frail mulch]

I think it was enough time for murderbot to do All Systems Red, because when I heard the first season would be the first novella I wondered if it would be padded out or what

[winged mountain]

50 isn't too bad but 60 is a bit much

[minor ledge]

oh murderbot was based on a book?

[minor ledge]

it depends on the show but largely 30-40 minutes

i can do 50 minutes though

[forest wigeon]

30 minutes generally works well for animation or comedy, but 40–60 is better for drama

[minor ledge]

like i couodnt imagine idk breaking bad with a 30 minute timeslot

[frail mulch]

Yes! They are mostly novellas with one full length novel and I think the next one comes out in spring

Martha Wells is the author

[azure fern]

and we're trying to push her to watch LotR, MonkeyGirl 😔

[molten jetty]

Like imagine if Wheel of Time was consistently longer seasons

Watching Star Wars animation always makes me feel that 20-25 minute shortness

Like I just wish it could pack more content in

But they cut costs by having shorter episodes and shorter seasons

[molten jetty]

One day Cosmic will understand peak

[keen flax]

I can do long movies! I loved The Batman and that was 3 hrs, and Star Wars movies tend to run longer, its just that in between that gets me

[forest wigeon]

the way you phrased that makes it seem like Star Wars has 4 hour movies or something

maybe if you watch the Siege of Mandalore cut of Revenge of the Sith

[cold sequoia]

that reminds me, I wonder if Disney will ever get desperate enough to break the glass and do a Disney+ live action remake of the Star Wars movies but each movie is an 8 episode seasons

[forest wigeon]

I actually watched it and it was good btw

[cobalt onyx]

Hmm, uh, heads up, the shortest runtime of the shortest LotR is about 3 hours

[azure fern]

Slight Lotr spoilers ||
MonkeyGirl: It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Soia. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy. How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened. But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Soia, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of not watching LoTR, only they did. Because they were holding on to something.

Soia: What are we holding on to, MonkeyGirl?

MonkeyGirl: That there’s peak in this world, Soia. And it’s worth fighting for. ||

[molten jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that-isnt-so-bad-no-no-it-isnt-sam-gif-15922349

[molten jetty]

Can you do 5hrs

[azure fern]

Obviously there is only a single correct way to watch LotR. All 3 extended editions back to back 😌

[molten jetty]

Return of the King Extended is 4hrs 23 minutes

[molten jetty]

Add in the 3 Hobbit extendeds while you’re at it

[forest wigeon]

chronological or release

[molten jetty]

Chronological ofc

[cobalt onyx]

Nah, just listen to the audiobook

[molten jetty]

The Andy Serkis Hobbit is AMAZING

[azure fern]

NSFW implied, but not shown

[molten jetty]

Did you know at the beginning of The Two Towers when Viggo…

[azure fern]

It's honestly about time I rewatched LoTR, it's been too long

[keen flax]

MY DAD SAID HE WANTS TO WATCH IT!! XD

[azure fern]

LotR??? 👀

[keen flax]

Yes!

[azure fern]

based dad

[molten jetty]

DEWIT

Fellowship extended

Peak 🙌

[azure fern]

god, Fellowship is so freaking good

[keen flax]

I didnt think hed want to but apparently he's wanted to this whole time??? Dad, those movies are as old as I am 🤣

[molten jetty]

Frfr

I think the extended scenes are a MUST in that one

[azure fern]

the other 2 movies have those epic, impressive scenes, but Fellowship is just far and away my favorite

[molten jetty]

Mine is RotK

[azure fern]

it's all peak, honestly

RotK does close things out really powerfully

but just that sense of wonder coming into FotR

how old was I? 11?

12 it seems

[keen flax]

I was 1 month 🤣

[acoustic pewter]

My strategy: watch the extended versions, treat them like six movies. If you have to separate it across two days, stop halfway through Two Towers.

[ivory night]

1 a day

[keen flax]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

THATS WHERE THIS IS FROM???

[acoustic pewter]

Yes

[ivory night]

BRUH

[keen flax]

wow I had NO idea thats crazy

[azure fern]

My older brother had read the books, but I hadn't. We went to the movies to watch god knows what and the trailer for FotR came on and he was super hyped and I was just . But I got out of that movie theatre thirsty. I drank every bit of marketing material leading up to the movie releasing, then after watching it I asked my brother to borrow me his books and I consumed them voraciously

[ivory night]

Bruh

[azure fern]

BRUH

[keen flax]

😝

[acoustic pewter]

Bruh