DailyScape Overhaul & Free Runemetrics for Members - This Week In RuneScape

[near dragon]

Yeah idk how we can get them removed, it just feels really crappy that they've been telling us for months that they'll remove it only to backtrack last second, it feels like a sour taste in an overall good roadmap so far

[outer dawn]

Will eastern isles tasks / chime trade cap get looked at down the line?
it takes a fair bit to actually reach the cap, but it does mean you have to spread out selling the resources you gathered over x days

[errant stream]

While not ideal, I feel its an attempt to placate the 'everything's being taken away before fixing things' crowd. Perhaps they'll revisit feedback on Dailies later in the year when all the skill rebalancing is done

[near dragon]

I can only hope, I really hope the decision was made with the best intentions and not just because of a YT vid or a couple of Reddit posts

[mellow jackal]

question since magic is the only combat style rn without a moving ultimate damage boosting ability, when they going to convert the ultimate like death swiftness?

[west belfry]

Yeah I don't actually think it's that bad, but it just feels frustrating to see many of the most social activities in the game, that yes, were very powerful reward wise, be outright removed. I like seeing other players in game.

[near dragon]

prob never cuz the skill has the most channels out of the 4 in the game

[fading widget]

Perhaps it makes sense to add Jatix's herblore shop and the one in Meilyr clan in prif to the weekly shops?

[near dragon]

God what a terrible excuse at the end

[strong tusk]

@static solstice here, i did some math with help of AI

1. The Cost Breakdown
   First, we calculate the cost of a single growth potion in GP:
   • Cost per Bean: $3,800,000 / 3,600 beans = 1,055.56 GP per bean
   • Cost per Potion: $1,055.56 * 1,000 beans= 1,055,556 GP per potion

2. The Probability Breakdown
   1/10,000 chance per pick and up to 29 picks per potion.
   • Chance of a Core per Potion: The probability of getting at least one core in 29 picks is roughly 0.2896% (1 - (0.9999)^{29}).
   • Expected Potions for one Core: To be "on drop rate," you would need to use approximately 345.3 potions.

3. Total Profit/Loss Calculation
   • Total Expected Cost: $345.3 Potions * 1,055,556 = 364,494,508
   • Value of the Core: $ 450,000,000
   **• Expected Profit from Core: $450,000,000 - 364,494,508 = 85,505,492 **

the only time you are at a loss is,
(Assuming) Current Drop Rate: 1 in 10,000 (Profitable)
Break-even Point: 1 in 12,349
Loss Point: 1 in 12,350 or higher

update: as others have pointed out, it is not per-pick of herb, but per completion of the herb collection

[unreal girder]

Bro just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing now because he went off track the first time

[wise sentinel]

Nope, I actually just hated yak track lol

[formal badger]

Yak track doesnt belong is rs

[unreal girder]

Yak Track but with nerfed rewards would be a fine replacement for dailies imo

[formal badger]

Theres a reason it got yeeted.

[strange jackal]

yak track was just a way for jagex to lock cosmetics behind doing annoying tasks for hours to keep player retention in the game

[wise sentinel]

Like I said, FOMO. Force players to stay logged in, or else they’ll miss those cosmetics and pets.

[unreal girder]

More people cared about the xp boost than the cosmetics tbh

[oblique helm]

@strong tusk its 1 chance per potion, not 29. you only roll at the end int update it says "fully claiming herbs from the wilderness herb patch"

[strange jackal]

yea but you are always gaining xp cosmetics usually never come back

[formal badger]

Who said it was per pick?

[unreal girder]

Most of the cosmetics were ass and are unused

[wild salmon]

yak track was convenient but I def dont think it was healthy for the game tbf

[night laurel]

Bold to use AI when it's clearly wrong on point #2 on how probability is calculated

[wise sentinel]

Convenient? Those tasks were usually ass.

[unreal girder]

It would be a good middle ground between the "REMOVE DAILIES" and "KEEP DAILIES" crowds, just balance it better

[night laurel]

it's definitely not rolled per pick; newspost said it's only rolled when fully clearing patch

[wild salmon]

yes, it was still convenient even if tasks were ass. it gave a lot of nice things but its not good for the game as a seasonal pass with fomo behind it.

its a lesser hero pass

[oblique helm]

yea so since its 1 roll per potion multiply your expected cost by 29 to get actual cost

[lilac prairie]

In a sense, the change to the sandstone is also a nerf. If you just need material for a few flasks, then the sandstone takes longer to mine. Suggestion: have the first 50 or so sandstone be obtainable at the original rate, and only after that does the hardness of the rock increase.

[unreal girder]

Since Jagex's latest updates have been about removing FOMO, I assumed it was implied that they'd do this anyway

[near dragon]

I'm one of the biggest believers in the road to restoration but the whole daily challenges thing is so bad, idk what constructive feedback I can give other than remove them, this whole thing feels like it actually need a poll like OSRS because at this point there's no more feedback to give rather than remove them or keep them in the game.

[strong tusk]

that's even better than i hoped, means the chances are far worse

[strange jackal]

with the first yak track yes it was convient but with the second yak track they added a timer to each task that if you did something in game it would tick and most of the time that was faster than doing the task that was the other option

[fading widget]

Still think it's quite a big miss that ports has not even been considered in this topic. It's in my opinion one of the worst dailies in the game, especially once you've completed the initial area's.

Other than that overall big W on the changes.

[wild salmon]

im not sure what you are referencing. yak hasnt been around since hero pass, almost 3 years ago

[near dragon]

The whole thing needs a full rework tbh

[strong tusk]

even better to prove that it is not broken at all

[oblique helm]

yea so expected cost per is closer to 10.5b each instead?

[fading widget]

Agreed

[unreal girder]

In the hypothetical of replacing daily tasks with a nerfed Yak Track

[strange jackal]

tho if you are doing ports its more of a constant grind to send out the ships not a daily thing once you complete it all

[wise sentinel]

I have so many complaints about Port, but most of them boil down to “if you’re not touching it every 2 hours, it’ll take literal years to progress.”

[near dragon]

No they'll never add anything like that again after the extinction event from Hero pass

[fading widget]

Later area's some trips take like 16 hours right, to me that's pretty much a daily :p

[wild salmon]

id say no to both best case. worst case keep dailies. jagex said it does help players figure out what to do. This alone is significantly superior to p2w yaktrack

does nobody remember the 20% exp boost?

[near dragon]

Hero pass/yak track is the reason why we are having these changes in the 1st place

[strange jackal]

but if you arnt on top of it you are just pushing your completion of the content and pushing the real daily aspect of it rerollinig everything to only get item resources to make things to sell not build the port area/ships

[unreal girder]

Oh, you're just not reading before responding I guess. I've already said a rebalanced version would be a good middle ground.

Remove the FOMO nature and overpowered rewards, but still provide tasks that give direction as they've wanted.

[wild salmon]

hey we should add back hero pass but make it better. thats essentially what this convo is

[unreal girder]

Nobody said Hero Pass, and the complaints were the rewards which I've already addressed.

[wise sentinel]

How, pray tell, would you remove the FOMO from Yak Track? The entire thing was designed to be pure FOMO.

[strange jackal]

plus the issue of the yak track would be that it would detract from updates that people want and push that dev work to only on cosmetics unlocked via the track

[wild salmon]

figaro, the point im making is that we are discussing the readdition of a seasonal pass that was unhealthy for the game to just do so.

the idea is to not add more.

hero pass in its final iteration IS yak track

no to either. keep or remove dailies is better by miles

[fading widget]

Yeah fair, guess it's mainly for completionist stuff. I personally just dislike it takes so long (and for my gameplay dailies) to finish some things without actual active gameplay. Just sending boats to get scrolls takes so long. Perhaps this is just a personal thing tbf

[oblique helm]

hero pass/yak track were not bad. cristism fell into 2 categories mostly. the p2w aspect and the no effort category. Without the p2w aspect though it wasnt financially feasible to offer it and have worthwhile rewards that people want to engage the content with. The no effort cateogry people you cant fix, they in the mindset of if i dont want to it it and cant get the rewards then nobody should get them

[unreal girder]

Make it easier to complete (rather than the 20%(?) they stated a while back) and remove the interaction with bonds. Still add some rewards as an incentive that aren't as "overpowered" as daily tasks.

It means people aren't rushing to do them like dailies, and two of the other obnoxious FOMO elements are removed.

[outer dawn]

removing the time limit and having people select an 'active track' woulda done this.
but fundamentally battlepasses have no place in a sandbox mmorpg that's mostly centered around progression, since it actively undermines the core gameplay loop and sandbox aspects

[wild salmon]

^

[strange jackal]

i mean if you wernt in the mind of a completionist (which i am i have master trim comp) you wouldnt care about sending out ships in the first place to get scrolls

[wise sentinel]

If you remove the time limit, it’s either an endless track with no end, or it’s a one-and-done thing like livid farm, where you spend a week grinding it and then never engage with it again.

[outer dawn]

exactly
they can still have an end, legends of runeterra showcases that exact design

[lusty mason]

is this where we give combat feedback

[hexed summit]

I'm kinda burnt out on temporary game modes guys. And I consider yak track to be included in that.

[outer dawn]

because it is (x time to complete this specific list of content, enjoy)

[strange jackal]

its mostly a discussion forum on the recent update but yea

[wise sentinel]

And an endless track is just a daily challenge in another wrapper. You see that, right? And a one-and-done track means it’s something that would end up as dead content once players churned through it. Just another checkbox for the comp cape, nothing more.

[wild salmon]

the actual combat feedback was closed today I think but yeah it would be these feedback pages. IG they did add some bossing changes with a couple of combat stuffs

[outer dawn]

one and done tracks are basically task sets that'd reward cosmetics.
since they have no fomo to pressure into purchasing skips, they wouldn't meet the conditions for sales to approve of the non-player-hostile design

[wise sentinel]

Like I said, dead content that players would only do for comp cape.

[outer dawn]

it's not dead content, it's completable content in the same sense as quests are

[strange jackal]

yea but do you really want dev time to be put into a track over other content that you could have fun in

[oblique helm]

daily challenges with just exp reward is also dead content too that played would only do until 200m exp.

[outer dawn]

ofcourse not, any sane human that hasn't been broken by mobile gaming would see this

[near dragon]

Battle passes can't be healthy for any game and are predatory by nature, they are afterall the evolution of lootboxes and should never be re added to RS in any way whatsoever

[strange jackal]

then why push for the pass in the first place

[wild salmon]

I dont think von was

[outer dawn]

I might've been the nr. 1 hater on this discord on em

[near dragon]

He wasnt he ended his sentence with no sandbox mmo should have a battlepass

[wise sentinel]

But not required for comp cape, while a redone yak track undoubtedly would be required for the unlockables.

[outer dawn]

but a fair breakdown requires atleast somewhat unbiased descriptions, and a fair assesment on what would improve it

[oblique helm]

only if they arbitarily added the unlockables to comp. Simply dont add them and its not a comp req?

[strange jackal]

i doubt a battlepass would ever be on a completionist cape but it would still get people to do it cause of the completionist mentality to get the track done before doing anything else in game

[outer dawn]

menaphos city quests are functionally the same type of design as yaktracks were, they just lack a neat background / ui
completing x of em was a requirement for trim, i believe

[oblique helm]

i think a battlepass system with rewards aimed in a way that most reasonable play time spread over a long term can get is better than the current daily system where if you dont log in you miss out.

[strange jackal]

people do the city quests cause of the exp rewards and for the achievement completion

[outer dawn]

the problem is that the battlepass design simply doesn't add anything to rs as a game, that isn't already covered in another form of content

[near dragon]

No battlepasses are not good for any game

[oblique helm]

i agree they dont. but neither do dailies

[outer dawn]

very much depends on the implementation and whatever other systems are going on

[oblique helm]

my preference would be neither of them. but if i had to choose something out of them a battlepass style would be my preference. Where you can complete it in a week or six months, either way you get same rewards

right now i do my 3x dg dailies and get 150k exp (used to be 300k before today). In total they take me 1 minute to complete via shifting tombs total. 1 million exp a week by playing for just 7 minutes is not a good design for the integrity of skills

[midnight fog]

Battle passes or season passes like any system depend heavily on the implementation. Some games have battle passes where there's guarantees that the unlocks will cycle back in future batlte passes or are guaranteed to end up in a shop. Some battle passes are aimed at "nice to interact as a bonus with but not necessary". Other battle passes are core progression systems

[near dragon]

We shouldn't have a conversation to have any, we should be pushing for Jagex to have none.

[outer dawn]

i'd like to think they finally got the message with hero pass

[near dragon]

Sorry Aurelion Sol

[oblique helm]

i agree. none should be the way. and the fact they caved to critism of losing the handouts is the annoying part. Of course people were going to complain about it, why wouldnt they complain about losing free exp with minimal effort

[strange jackal]

yea but what did you do for the time the challenges were taken away tho and would you have gone for the xp somewhere else and enjoy it and did you complain about it being taken away for the short time it was taken away

[hexed summit]

wilderness flash events were removed because it felt you had to drop whatever you were doing to participate.
isn't battlepass just like wfe but in a larger scale? you wanted to do "this" thing specifically but it doesn't progress your battlepass so you're forced to do what the bp tells you to do

[oblique helm]

i wouldnt personally complain about the loss; but whilst its there i will use and abuse it

[outer dawn]

that's the rs way

still important to advocate for long term health of the game though

[strange jackal]

i wont lie before i was 200m dg i abused the system along side with the grind of getting thru content while doing the challenge like a hardmode dg floor solo for each tick of the challenge cause we didnt have the ability to cheese thru challenge that stupidly easy

[fallow badger]

Really wish they would just remove daily challenges entirely

[oblique helm]

agree 100%

[strange jackal]

they tried but community and internal backlash prevented that

[hybrid hawk]

Okay, I've cleared out my daily reminder list of things that are no longer daily, and I'm just left with a few things: Converting bones to bonemeal and slime with Robin in Port Phasmatys, completing Big Chinchompa twice, and collecting a bag of lost items from a Rug Merchant. I presume these are all staying with strict daily cut-offs?

[fallow badger]

A handful of loud people whining isnt the comunity.
Keeping them at all goes completely againts what they said about dailys

[strange jackal]

isnt the converting after doing morytania tasks tho? also nothing was removed from daily just stuck at a hard reset of weekly reset which is tomorrow in 28 hours

[oblique helm]

there was always going to be backlash though. surely they knew that before even deciding the removal was going to be a thing. They just need to stand their ground and do it

[hybrid hawk]

Converting is after morytania tasks. Just like Razmere Keelgan's plank collection, which is now weekly, unlike bone exchanging. And yes, I said I cleared out my daily reminder list. My weekly reminder list is now huge 😛

[midnight fog]

Something they could do is revert to the old daily challenge system. A few years ago, long before the weekly track for challenges, you'd get one challenge a day and could stack up to like 5 of them before they would start getting overridden by new challenges. The exp per challenge was also lower compared to the current system

They could return to that and let you stack up to 7 before the oldest ones start getting overriden

[static solstice]

100%

[strange jackal]

while the weekly list is huge now your daily is even bigger since with todays reset in 4 hours or so you have 24 hours to collect everything or be forced to be left behind 🤣

[tiny imp]

Why? Why keep daily challenges, when YOU first said it was the biggest offender to the dailyscape? You should outright remove it, nothing else. People will still go on and get the easy 2 seconds free exp and level up their most unwanted skill. IT is still the biggest offender to the dailyscape.

This is not good, not good at all. Remove!!

[strange jackal]

its almost like people dont read each post that is put out

[oblique helm]

id agree with that. they old system would be more inline with the direction they are heading. Have challenge as a daily where you use it or lose it is not the direction they said they are heading.

[hybrid hawk]

A temporary setback. I shall simply forego sleep in order to stay ahead, and allow my natural unconscious instincts and surrounding traffic to gently guide me to work in the morning. 😅

[strange jackal]

that is basically what they did since you cant extend them with viswax to get double the tasks and take away the weekly track

[oblique helm]

its not that people are not reading that. its that what they said is contradictary to their goals.
They removed buyable lamps because they didnt want to give handouts. They removed plenty of other dailies because it induces fomo and people forced to play a specific way.... but yet keep dailies which both force daily log in and give exp handouts

[high raptor]

So I can’t do Croesus reapers anymore for my lvl 3???— why would you combat lock that? Being able to get the hydrix was one of the only reasons I do them

[strange jackal]

they arnt reading it cause it clearly states that both J M O D S and P L A Y E R S hated the removal of the system and wanted it kept in game

[high raptor]

Combat locking it is so dumb

[strange jackal]

its is your own fault for locking your account behind abatrary restrictions

[high raptor]

Or they could keep things accessible for a SKILLING Boss

[oblique helm]

of course they are going to hate it. who doesnt like free stuff. The topic from the get go was going to be contraversal and always have backlash, you have to power through them to reach the goals. Not twist the goals because some players and jmods cried too hard over it

[strange jackal]

nothing is stopping your from doing the boss but if you want the reaper points be like everyone else do and stop restricking your account

[tiny imp]

I did read that and i disagree with that too. "Helping new and returning players" is just something they are saying too keep people trapped and for Jagex to make an excuse of what they intentionally ment to do.

I should not, but i am still going to, compare it to OSRS, they are completely fine without a "daily challenge" system and still getting new players. For all those years I have been playing the game on and off. I have NEVER been in the need of the daily challenge system.

[high raptor]

It’s no different to someone who chooses iron man

[hexed summit]

would generally agree but croesus is a skilling boss and they were able to do it before the update. it seems like an oversight

[high raptor]

It’s a speciality account type. I have a maxed 120 all acc, the point is it was available before and now you’re gonna make it unavailable? That’s dumb

[strange jackal]

but with an iron man account they dont interact with the community and do reaper tasks for them selves not to profit just cause you want to have a "speciality" account type to make money

[idle wagon]

Construction 120
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[hybrid hawk]

You could always opt into skilling bosses for Soul Reaper, but never opt out of combat bosses. The only way to do Croseus all the time is to skip until you get it (or can pick it).

[high raptor]

^^^^^

[strange jackal]

cause it would force content that they want to be put in the game to be in too little of a level frame

[near dragon]

So I want to ask for the people that want Daily challenges to stay explain your reasoning w/o mentioning irl reasons like time or x skills suck to train, I need to know why and if there's an objective reason for them to stay.

[idle wagon]

"explain your reasoning"
"but if i don't like your reasoning it doesn't count"
um

[strange jackal]

that is the only reason they have cause most training methods take too long to get the same amount of xp so unless the game overall is overhauled with exp changes they are going to keep them in for now

[idle wagon]

limited time and skills sucking to train are perfectly valid reasons to think dailies should stay

[near dragon]

Those are the most common reasons I want to know if there's something else I'm missing or not seeing.

[fervent moss]

a lot of games has daily challenge
ff14 has dailies that give you massively among of xp, fortnite has daily quest
the reason is some people might not have enough time, maybe they have a kid, maybe they studying
Dallies are there to aleast keep people from falling to far behide
here the thing i play a lot of 14, took a break until dawntrail came
Dalies help me get viper and picomancer up in level and learning and raising the level

[crisp shell]

It gives a way to do something each day without having to come up with something yourself.

[near dragon]

That's an opinion not a fact, which is why I asked my question that way.

[formal badger]

Because some skills suck

[near dragon]

lol

[fervent moss]

looking at you agility

[idle wagon]

personally i so strongly dislike this new direction jagex is going that daily challenges are the only thing that has kept me logging in every day for the last...probably more than a month
and even then it was just for like 60 seconds to use up challenge tokens before they were removed
i guess i did my monthlies too, and the doggo quest

[strange jackal]

now you have a reason to train agility in the wilderness with the silverhawk feathers you might still have befor ethey are removed at the end of the year lol

[fervent moss]

im 115 in that skill
yeah i like torturing myself

[oblique helm]

lets do away with dailies and just log in and instantly get some large lamps in your inventory. thts what you all basically want right? its not about "it gives me something to do each day", its about doing what they tell you for a few minutes to get a easy exp. You generally dont stay at that task beyond the scope of the daily req

[near dragon]

Would you be okay if Jagex keeps rebalancing xp rates, reworking skills so your time feels respected and don't feel pressured that you are falling behind?

[formal badger]

Id quit if ot was just faily challenges bringing me online. Theres too much to do in rs3 not enough time to do it. Must be online 24/7

[pale sand]

Freedom from WFE at last

[strange jackal]

but not 200m xp like i am but with serenity posts being change i doubt there will be much fight behind agility being horrible anymore (once you reach 75 at least lol and do the giant quest line)

[fervent moss]

id be happy for it, im all for it
sometime i forget to do dallies cus i do play the game
but there was a time where i couldn't play and dalies aleast keep me aleast not to far behide, work and families

[night laurel]

It's less than 20 base xp doing correct pose

[idle wagon]

tbh the "new direction" might ironically might be the thing that finally leads me to go on hiatus again
i've been actively playing for 12 years now
but i Cannot. Stand. 120scape.
and they're clearly heading straight for it

[strange jackal]

but you can afk it for 15 minutes

[neat junco]

Just wanted to pop in here to express my dissapointment with not totally removing Daily Challenges. I understand they have been reduced ect. but they are and still the biggest offender of daily scape issues outlined. Hopefully they can move to eventually remove entirely.

[night laurel]

yeah that's like the freest Dojo method now. 4 click/hour til you get it

[strange jackal]

i wont lie the rates of getting the pet on the posts were horrible to being with lol

[night laurel]

yet it ended up being the place where i got it (granted I was 200m at the time & anachronia course wasnt a thing yet)

[strange jackal]

they probably will in due time once the balancing updates are rolled out

[idle wagon]

imo the only reason jagex could get away with 110s and 120s was the prevalence of xp from th
they take away th and still want to raise skills to 120 without reworking the xp curve? that's just insanity
who wants to train another 50m construction xp???

[acoustic carbon]

People quitting or "Taking Breaks" left right and centre at the moment. The game is dying a slow death.

[fervent moss]

which is not the worst thing
keep the bandage on till there fix the wound or else it leaves a nasty scar

[strange jackal]

people make take breaks from the game but you never quit the game - some random meme maker

[outer dawn]

xp rebalancing is happening across the board and a lot of the higher end training methods give a lot

[acoustic carbon]

Oh yea I know that, but my clan has gone from 40/50 people online in the evening to like 5 people. Everyone in discord saying that's it, they're playing other games now.

[fervent moss]

a shame, how long have you been with that clan

[neat junco]

My clan is dying = game is dying 🙂

[near dragon]

You are not wrong about 120 scape they commented years ago that it's their 5-10 year plan rn, I would be lying if I said that some one my 99s and 120s were achieved thanks to TH and Daily challenges, but I think the game needs to rely less on that and actually work on becoming an overall playable state in all borders, I don't agree with your POV on challenges but I can try to sympathize with it, taking a break might not be a bad idea, I did that when I thought the game was going to die and I cameback liking it even more after the announcments, try taking a break there are other games to sink your time in or complete a playthrough on

[acoustic carbon]

6 years, and played the game since 2001.

[idle wagon]

It is no longer possible to get free daily runes or rune essence. Any remaining wicked hood teleport charges can still be used, but you are unable to gain new daily wicked hood teleport charges to altars apart from those obtained through any remaining Tokens you may still have.yeah this was a fricking stupid idea to start with and it's still a fricking stupid idea now that you've for some reason still gone and done it

[strange jackal]

burn out and fatigue in doing the same thing all the time is not what the human body is meant to do unless you have a mental disorder so its okay to move on and do something else

[strange jackal]

most people use the abyss to get to altars in the first place cause of the wicked hood changes in the first place

[near dragon]

Yeah that's why I asked my question w/o mentioning irl reasons because Jagex is already adressing that with xp rebalances and skill reworks and remasters.

[hidden fossil]

NGL a few of these changes feel bad to me, the runespan points being doubled does not really make up for how awful it is to train there, and the wicked hood teleports were literally already buyable with said points so there was no real reason for the ability to earn them being removed, they could have just removed the daily earned reset and then allowed them to pile like the shops

[idle wagon]

i don't usually use it for rcing
i used it for clues

[fervent moss]

and thats fair

[static solstice]

I'm just 50k points away from full prestige, I'm 99 rc :p

[idle wagon]

With today's change, you will now be able to add quick teleport charges via the home teleport interface, at a cost of one quick teleport charge for five law runes. looooooool boy i'm glad i spent the last week stocking up on vis

[hidden fossil]

Same, thats rough

[solemn spear]

And I hate the argument people keep making about “every other MMO has them”

Like yeah if the goal of the roadmap was to make RS3 similar to every other MMO then that would be great, but the whole point is to make it unique by focusing on integrity and very limited FOMO, a model that OSRS proved can work

[static solstice]

can craft a ton of law runes pretty quickly tho so i like the change

[fervent moss]

thx god i can used my ungodly among of laws

[strange jackal]

there are literally thousand of teleports around the game a few seconds of delay shouldnt hurt you that bad

[near dragon]

We'll see what happens.

[hidden fossil]

Ok, well that something i guess, cause their remove in general when we already had an in game way to actively earn them feels bad

[fervent moss]

im just waiting for the PoH rework, i want to make my house useable
if not aleast liveable

[strange jackal]

going to be funny if they rework the house to be like osrs where you have to go to your house as a pit stop before doing any content or as a way to get around the game

[hidden fossil]

I also see there was no real change to the anachonia base came resource caps, which in themselves are a functional daily scape as well

[near dragon]

I am betting that the POH rework will just be to flex with a few stuff to help you ingame like Mansions in GTA Online, but not a full necessary investment like OSRS, they've already said they don't like instances and it's the reason war's retreat was added for everyone instead of a POH addon

[strange jackal]

it takes a long time to build up the stock of them and they can be converted to skilling attempts in that soul place in the volcano

[fervent moss]

what would be the 120 con cape tho
i hope we can get a perma house teleport
or have some buff or passive from the house like the statues in mena

[deep sorrel]

how do you even do that without deleting wars

[near dragon]

If anything POH will probably become the Construction HUB as in the main place to train construction and maybe prayer, but nothing beyond that

[idle wagon]

Going forward, Divine Locations can no longer be crafted from Divination.was stupid, still stupid

[strange jackal]

i mean what buff are you getting in wars tho besides the fire? and the altar

[hidden fossil]

it takes less then a day and a half to fully build up 150k cap of a single resource, and once you hit that you dont earn more, so if you dont spend it at the dream of iaia its lost, if thats not dailyscape fomo, then i dont know what is

[strange jackal]

yea but once you reach 200m or unlock the unlockable in iaia what is left for the resources in the first place?

[hidden fossil]

its quite literally the daily use it or lose it kind of thing they were saying this update was meant to remove

[near dragon]

I don't think they exist in game anymore

[strange jackal]

they dont

[static solstice]

its a lot slower if you need more than 1 resource... unless im doing something very wrong

[near dragon]

I see they always felt like an odd benefit from divination, they were pretty mediocre for xp and resources

[strange jackal]

there are buffs in the game that extend the xp and resources tho but its like completionist content tbh

[near dragon]

Instant TP button

[strange jackal]

what if the house added a portal tho to each boss https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Portal_nexus

[hybrid hawk]

One other thing I was wondering - There was a huge focus on how the removal of the Travelling Merchant is being countered by a rebalancing of the content he was most used to make easier. Not a single comment on Wythien's enhancers, they're just gone. Construction contract points (which I've thankfully finished needing) are horribly slow to get, and Champions Challenge scrolls, introduced during my time playing and years before bad luck mitigation existed for boss drops and the like, are so slow to get that I literally got my second ever scroll yesterday. What consideration has been given to the targets of the enhancers for QoL adjustments?

[strange jackal]

but if their stupid thought of copying the what works from osrs in rs3 it makes sense to think along those lines tho

[idle wagon]

ironically this is the literal opposite of jagex's argument for removing them, which is that they supposedly gave too much xp and items
which is stupid because you could only make 1-3 a day and could only harvest a couple

[strange jackal]

if have them you can still use them but once those run out that is it

[hybrid hawk]

That's not fixing the content though.

[near dragon]

I don't think they are stupid, prob a bit short sighted at times, but I do hope they stick to their philosophy of not wanting to push for instances and continue the whole social aspect of the game.

[strange jackal]

they were flirting around with the idea of the poh on the surface and not in an instance

[hybrid hawk]

I'd rather have an instanced house than the real estate nightmare that FF14 has right now. Queues to buy land plots by lottery, lost if you don't play for a month...

[strange jackal]

with the balancing updates coming all thru out the year tho i dont see a reason to worry in the long term (but the human psychy is to panic about the now)

[near dragon]

I would love that

[strange jackal]

i would think they would learn from that mistake tho and not implament it

[near dragon]

Use this area

[hybrid hawk]

I know there's a low total player count right now but it's not that low 😛

[strange jackal]

that is the "starting area for new players" and there is already content that spawns there like shooting stars

[last haven]

Is there a confirmation from official source anywhere about a Tuzzy threshold?

[hidden fossil]

I will say though, being able to do this once a week rather then 100 every day feels sooooo much better

[crimson harness]

If Jagex has the numbers I guarantee you that the Ashdale lodestone is the least used one by far

[oblique helm]

it was for a small time period the stating place for new players. but its not anymore

[strange jackal]

dont forget about the sandstone and crystal sandstone flasks and those potions hard reset in 27 hours

[near dragon]

If we could build our houses out of instances and everywhere I would build mine here

[strange jackal]

the mobs there are always aggressive tho and if you just wanted it as a teleport to get there they added one when the 110 runecrafting update was put in the game

[mellow jackal]

btw with this new reaper task system, shouldnt us have like 7 free rerolls per week? and after that use slay points?

[hidden fossil]

Looks like the jatix shop in taverly got missed

[strange jackal]

i mean it was a giant list but i would report it in game just in case

[near dragon]

Im aggresive aswell

[strange jackal]

[strange jackal]

i would think so since you are able to do what ever you want unless you restricted your self to be a skiller/pacifist

[near dragon]

I do skill I do Big Game Hunter

[strange jackal]

skiller as in no combat

[near dragon]

Gate of elindis

[thorny vortex]

has anyone been able to confirm if you need to be on a slayer task for cores in wildy?

[static solstice]

you do thank god

[wide summit]

The 300 reaper point cap is a little too high, I feel like. That's around 42.8 reaper points per day, which is way higher than the average before the update. I'm guessing they just scaled it for how much Aamscut give?

[oblique helm]

even for the woodcut or farming?

[hybrid hawk]

I think it said you have to be on a Wilderness Slayer task. Not sure if that means one assigned by Mandrith specifically, or any slayer task where the target is optionally available there.

[candid bloom]

It means mandrith.

[oblique helm]

i also assume that means the restriction on mandrith where you do whole task in the wilderness and get that chest as a reward. So the core being given alongside (or inside) that chest

[strange jackal]

i would think so since most people cant do high lvl bossing they had to average it between the highest of doing amascut every day and doing barrows every day

[hidden fossil]

huge w for would be fletching trainers here ngl

[oblique helm]

i do think 300 is on the high end. i was expecting 200ish. Where it was a "nerf" for those doing the daily high end ones but a buff for the lower end ones (albeit it more tasks needed to match the cap)

300 a week just seems like a buff all round except to the players that would use reaper refreshes

[hybrid hawk]

That's a Hydrix a week for most high level PvMers.

[strange jackal]

considering skillers cant just camp croesus for reaper now and actually need combat lvls to get reaper points

[oblique helm]

could argue its a hydrix for every pvmer if they willing to put in more effort

[hollow mica]

is it intentional that home teleport quick charges can't be used in f2p? can add charges, but they don't actually work, nor do they get consumed

[strange jackal]

it was that way before the game update since f2p cant use members content

[hollow mica]

i am aware, but you can add charges in f2p now, but not actually use them https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598849338915160075/1483196913808576682/image.png?ex=69b9b644&is=69b864c4&hm=48150bbd99863724391b8cc2bfe825e0d3bbd834f336b7eda00560c5a749812e& (oops no embeds)

[oblique helm]

nothing stopping you doing the 25 normal mode unboosted reapers to hit that 300

[strange jackal]

copy paste with the snipping tool 😛

[vast forum]

yeah I thought 300 per week was pretty high

I was expecting something more like unlimited but each task is like 2 points

[hollow mica]

yeh that link was from me posting a snipping tool screenshot in another discord :P

[vast forum]

or unlimited cap and raising shop prices

[strange jackal]

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[high raptor]

Idk if camp is the right word. 9 kills an hour if you’ve got a good team And we’d only get 1 per day just like any other task… there’s not a valid reason why it’s combat locked now.

And why the hell would anyone do Croesus for 7hrs per day dude 🙄

[strange jackal]

could do public instance on world 68 and get that done in what a half hour

[high raptor]

Yeah your drop chances are in the shitter though L0l and public’s are chaos. You’d be lucky to get 1/2 of the kills in an hour

[strange jackal]

could just get to the minimum combat xp then block combat xp at the guy in lumbridge

[vast forum]

I don't see how that changes anything, that's 43 barrows tasks, in a week, and they don't take much time

[high raptor]

I’d understand if it was like one of each task type per day or something, but just straight up combat locking it??

[vast forum]

is this a skilling pures dont have access to some stupid alchemical hydrix item thing

[strange jackal]

was thinking more of an overall of points per week cause comparing how little points of doing barrows every day vs amascut and gettting 4 times as much

[high raptor]

And we couldn’t camping before anyways lol we only had one task like everyone else

[wide summit]

I think 200 reaper point cap per week is more than fair. If we average out Barrows and Amascut, it's 178.5 per week.
But we should push it to 200 to average it to around 28.5 points per day.

[vast forum]

I guess but frankly people doing only barrows deserve to reach their goal of hydrix at a crawl; hydrix items are late game

[tardy pivot]

Would be nice if quick teleports were enabled in free-to-play, or the option to add charges was disabled.

[strange jackal]

it was disable before the game update so why change it

[oblique helm]

the combat req on reapers threw me a little. it used to be 60 right (outside of croeus) so the reduction to 50 is there for croesus people only unless they rebalanced and took off the combat level reqs on other tasks such as flesh-hatcher/mole needing 60?

[tardy pivot]

It already has changed. It's just in an awkward position right now where we can add charges but not use them.

[strange jackal]

yea but you arnt seeing the point that f2p were never able to quick teleport via loadstones cause it was members content

[high raptor]

It seems like you argue just to argue against any idea that isn’t yours.

[tardy pivot]

Are you purposely skipping over the point that we don't necessarily want quick teleports, just want it to be clear that adding them won't be helpful while free-to-play?

[neat junco]

L update - H.A.M. guard store room keys still are not noted when using the pickpocketing cape 😄

[strange jackal]

that would be a thieving update not dailyscape

[hollow mica]

because the method of obtaining charges was from a members item, but that's no longer the case, so at the moment it just consumes items without giving you anything in return, and it also doesn't mention that they're not supposed to be usable in f2p

[oblique helm]

yea its more the point that f2p can add charges which cannot be used vs being able to use them. They should be able to spend the laws to add charges then never get to use em

[strange jackal]

unless there isnt a cap on how much you can store yes i can see the problem but with viswax the max quick teleport was 2k

[hollow mica]

the current cap is 4k quick teleports, which costs 20k law runes. 7.5m gp if bought from the only store that sells them in f2p, which took me 200 days on my f2p iron

[strange jackal]

which would take longer now since the shop stock is not the same and might have been lowered according the jmods posts

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though to be honest i think the bigger issue would be that people had stockpiles of runes ready to use for viswax making daily i cant imagine how the economy of runes is going to handle that influx not being use for viswax and only being used for spells now some runes in the game will most likely never be used again for price sake (but i guess everyone has hoarding tendencies)

[worn sail]

Rune costs were just increased for spells no? - like the costs weren't increased but it still uses more runes

[mellow jackal]

jagex you forgot something

[vast forum]

they already know

[strange jackal]

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[strange jackal]

pretty sure it was only combat spells

[worn sail]

Seems like a major usage point of runes

[oblique helm]

only the ones used regularly in combat

[mellow jackal]

isnt rune cost was less since combat update? or they reverted

[remote delta]

less for spells which used a lot of runes before, higher for everything else

[mellow jackal]

i remember before update my main use like 2k fire per hour with exsanguinate (afk), now use 500

[remote delta]

ye - but with air surge you'll use a lot more

[strange jackal]

unless they changed something with the combat update you can no longer not use runes/ammo at all when using abilities i think i read somewhere but not sure

[near dragon]

So guys

Is there an actual objective reason for daily challenges to stay in the game or no?

[oblique helm]

i believe the rune/ammo use rate is on every ability but with a chance to "save". iirc in last weeks post the changed it to 15% consumption rate?

[mellow jackal]

to be honest for me it was a mistake to remove them, it helps new players in the early, anyway now if you used to extend them the xp is nerfed by like a 50%

[ivory oriole]

Daily challenges offering large xp chunks is a bad idea and should be nerfed

[near dragon]

How does it helps them?

[oblique helm]

maybe, just maybe; if they need to keep them, offer bxp instead in the skill (way lower amount than current) as a little incentive to do it. But it should def not give out direct exp at the rates it is

[hidden fossil]

Maybe fix the reason people relied on them first though? Cause im sorry, agility being 150k an hour at the top end fully active training method is kinda unacceptable in and of itself

[mellow jackal]

xp, and a first contact with the skill for some

[mellow jackal]

[strange jackal]

people want the massive amount of xp and with jagex taking a while to implement a way for training methods to give more xp comparable to protean items during dxp weekends most people dont want to train skills at all

[remote delta]

as a 99 skill it's perfectly fine. it will need increasing when it goes to 110/120

(it's also closer to 250k when fully optimised)

[hidden fossil]

thieving was like 900k an hour for the highest end safecracking which is semiafk, even WHEN it was a 99 skill

[remote delta]

yes, thieving was far far far too fast

[strange jackal]

didnt they nerf that to the ground tho?

[oblique helm]

rip the bandaid off now with the exp handout on challenges that way they can balance the skill with respect to what its current rates are and not what the inflated daily challenge rates are. When they finally get round to boosting the exp rates of the skills if the new rates dont surpass the exp u can get in dailies then ppl are still going to not do they skill

[mellow jackal]

im getting 105k xp from 3 daily challenges in 99 prayer

[remote delta]

anachronia agility xp rate, not daily challenges 🙂

[hidden fossil]

But as a FULL ACTIVE skill, it should not be so low for its rates, and im sure itll be touched upon when the late game rebalance happens like they did for with the low game ones, but still

[strange jackal]

but with the way the road map is layed out that wont happen on the high end untill winter time or even next year

[hidden fossil]

But the problem is that it should have been addressed BEFORE they removed the bandaids, not after

[mellow jackal]

my mistake

[remote delta]

sure - I think if I were to redesign it I'd have xp rates cap at around 400k active and about 100k afk as a 99 skill (up to about 1m/250k for post-99 methods), but I also don't think current rates are remotely a problem. The issue with agility is everything before level 85

[mellow jackal]

To be honest i would like something like heist but for agility, get actually good rewards while training with decent xp rates

[oblique helm]

yes probably not. but if they remove them now by time the buff does happen it will feel like a buff no matter what rate it is. If not it will be compared to daily challenges and if it doesnt surpass them then its doa.

[hidden fossil]

This whole "remove a solution to a problem and come back to fix it later" they have been doing with some things recently is not a great feel for me

[formal badger]

Heist xp needs nerf

[west belfry]

Brimhaven Agility Arena but actually high level and engaging would be sweet

[silk hornet]

Agreed. Once I could do full Anachronia laps on my GIM it wasn't bad at all. But before that it sucked so much doing things partial Anachronia or jumping the Nature Grotto bridge lol

[autumn girder]

XP is kind of irrelavant for theiving at a point

[west belfry]

It would help if Agility had some real value as you level it up as well. Jumping a bunch of obstacles to get more run energy and little else doesn't make for a very compelling skill.

[formal badger]

3m+ /hr is just dumb.

[silk hornet]

Yeah, it would help a lot. The only value it had was getting x2 surge/escape for the group

[mellow jackal]

i would like to see the league cds for mobility abilities as a rewards from some high lvl agility game/ course

[remote delta]

bring back shortcuts

[west belfry]

Shortcuts have just lost all value with how many teleports we have and I struggle to think of many places we even need them

[silk hornet]

They never went anywhere. Lodestones are too op

[oblique helm]

and shortcuts should feel shorter lol. the animation of some shortcuts is way too long and i often feel i could run around it faster lol

[mellow jackal]

i hate those animations timers too

[hidden fossil]

Make agility more relevant then just being for shortcuts and quests to be fair, hell it could be somehow tied into combat to add hit chance or dodge chance or something, but that in and of itself would require another rework and that likely won't ever happen

[west belfry]

Realistically I'd love to see it tied into skilling speed and material saving chances

[strange jackal]

the biggest one i can think of is taverly dungeon and kuradel

[west belfry]

Chances to complete two actions in one and so on

[oblique helm]

maybe a built in dodge chance like darkness tied to leveling benefits

[west belfry]

And DG cape kinda kills taverley dungeon as well

[strange jackal]

thats at 99 tho and the shortcut was 70 something iirc

[hidden fossil]

Exactly, but like, as a whole agility is almost functionally irrelevant aside from quests and max cape, like someone else mentioned most shortcuts have been completed negated as a need by the ever increasing teleport options we have

[oblique helm]

we need shortcuts on anachronia that are not on the course and actually cut down getting around

[strange jackal]

taking the course does cut down on the running around the island tho

[oblique helm]

only if its a point close to the course you need to get to

its almost just as fast to run to herby werby as it is to use the course and that is literally on the course

[hidden fossil]

Plus its teleports are a self replenishing resource once youve bought out the shop to be fair

[strange jackal]

they also added a teleport to the dinasaur that is south of herby werby with the 110 runecrafting update as well

[remote delta]

I would like to see shortcuts that have new, slightly improved areas. maybe there's a vyre area off to the side without needing door tech or lures to get your max spawns

[hidden fossil]

Agility just needs a rework to be more relevant in the modern age of the game

[remote delta]

basically resource dungeons 2, electric boogaloo

I am not a fan of it providing combat buffs because the player is far too powerful atm combat-wise

[hidden fossil]

But my whole point is it feels unrewarding to train as a whole, especially for how active it is, which is why the changes to things like daily challenges hit soooo hard for skills like that

[strange jackal]

have you guys used up your silverhawks and proteans before they go away at the end of the year or waiting for dxp to be finally announced?

[west belfry]

I have not, I have a lot and they're very boring

Been trying to work through my combat dummies at the moment

[remote delta]

(worth noting silverhawks are not on the list to be removed)

(though they definitely should be)

[strange jackal]

yea but i doubt you are going to be anymore feathers

[remote delta]

they're on the 'content we're examining' list

[west belfry]

They're on the maybe list, to clarify

[remote delta]

my personal money is on them being discontinued but still usable

[west belfry]

How more transparent do you want? They're examining if they're okay with them existing and if not, they'll let us know

Feathers have a number of in game sources currently but they're currently a way to "skip" Agility so they feel iffy

They won't just remove them out of nowhere, you'll know if they're going

[strange jackal]

just treat all mtx items as they are going to be removed at the end of year and you have no issues

tho tbh in my state of my account i have no reason to keep/use them since im 200m in all skills so im curious to see what they will do with them once the time runs out

[remote delta]

would you view no communication until the decision had been made (say, next year) as more transparent?

(I should say I have a vested interest here as I have made a fairly large bet on silverhawks)

[strange jackal]

at least they gave us plenty of time for those people that have a giant stockpile of them and want to use them but not be rushed (but i doubt people will use them outside of dxp and procrastinate)

[strange jackal]

another mercher has joined the chat to make profit isee

[remote delta]

I call it hedging my happiness - I hate shawks and want them gone but if they remain but less accessible at least I'll have made a ton of money to console myself with

[strange jackal]

or they change it to untradeable on a monday update you have to decide use or delete them

[remote delta]

nothing would make me happier tbh!

[strange jackal]

then use them already lmao

[remote delta]

mainscape acc is for merching only, although I did hit 50 necro, go me

[strange jackal]

mainscape accounts means there is no limit on what you can do in game lol

then you make off shoot accounts that limit your play like ironman skillers pures and group ironman

[floral sequoia]

Hi I'm Satan27 in game I want to give feedback and credit to everyone at at Jagex because I constantly use runemetrics all year round and on several accounts so I want to thank everyone at Jagex for making it 100% free for members it's going to save me a lot of money thank you everyone 😄

[worn sail]

I barely know what a silverhawk is

[west belfry]

It's a hawk, but silver

[hybrid hawk]

It's an 80's cartoon superhero team member.

[rigid pecan]

i do hope they walk back not removing daily challenges

[broken galleon]

do we have any more information on the activities that do/don't drop the sack of wild reward stuff?

like they put salamanders, agility course, blood trees, and slayer. but do we know if that's an exhaustive list?

[oblique helm]

with the caveat of not loggin in yet today to witness the changes actually in the game...
quick question about the reaper changes. Assuming time is not a factor to reach the 300 point limit but i want to do it in as few bosses as i can. Would i be better off turning off the extended tasks since they double the quantity but only 25% more points (assuming that didnt change today - and if it did correct me)
because lets take vindy for example: (again with old numbers i knew to be true before today)
normal = 5-10 kills for 18 pts
extended = 10-20 kills for 22pts
where as...
2x normal tasks = 10-20 for 36 pts

[floral sequoia]

daily challenges are over-rated it's not something I follow personally so I'm not fussed however as I know a lot people like them if it for their concerns I hope it sticks for them 🙂

[rigid pecan]

free hand outs of xp are the opposite of the promises made by jagex

[floral sequoia]

yeah

I'm more pleased at the fact metrics isn't chargeable for members because I constantly use it so I want some "good" to happen to others as well because metrics should never of been chargeable. 🙂

[oblique helm]

well it kinda is chargeable since they just increased the price of membership for everyone

just instead of like 10% of the community (or whever it was) paying 5.00 a month, 100% of the community paying 1.00 a month

[floral sequoia]

not by much its better to come from 1 payment than several large amounts

[hybrid hawk]

If the only reason that they are being kept is because they help new and returning players find something to do rather than suffer choice paralysis, there are better ways to do that than having three randomly-picked tasks (and not a single task more) per day. They used to have one a while back, I believe.

[oblique helm]

if that was the case, remove the exp reward from it too and see how many people really still do daily tasks to ease choice paralysis. How many people actually stick to the daily task beyond what is required to get the exp handout

[hybrid hawk]

Maybe replace the challenge system with a new feature, if someone is wandering aimlessly for more than 5 minutes, a cartoon Abyssal Whip, with googly eyes, pops up and says "It looks like you're trying to find something to do. Would you like help?" 😁

[floral sequoia]

I'm off scaping I hope everyone gets what their after with the runescape redo that's been going on all year round because I know jagex been pleasing me so good luck to you you all and happy scaping 😄

[oblique helm]

jagex will never be able to balance skilling to a rate that is reasonable with daily challenes in the game. First the exp will have to actively compete with that of dailies just to not be doa. then it will have to be less effort than daily challenges too.
The effort to exp ratio of daily challenges is too high and thus needs to be removed before any meaningful rebalance of skills can happen

[hidden fossil]

Ok so the sandstone mining rate, even at the sophanem spot, feels sooo slow now, i know it was rebalanced to account for the removal of the daily cap, but god is it slow rofl

[oblique helm]

like why would i ever willingly do dungeoneering (a skill i personally dislike) at 200k a floor for 10mins when i can just do 3x daily challenges for 1m exp a week for 10minutes effort and just spend time doing other stuff i like

[spice reef]

sandstone nerf was not worth, it is extremely slow. maybe keep old speed for a certain amount and then have it slow down afterwards

[hidden fossil]

Yea the rate needs to be boosted back up atleast a bit for sure

[spice reef]

it doesn't do us any good if you remove the dailyscape but then every thing that used to be daily just takes 10x longer and we still have to do it

[oblique helm]

but to compete with that it would have to be 6m an hour with minimal effort in my example. thats not gonna happen so dailies will always be better for me

[spice reef]

if anything they should have kept the track rewards but removed the exp. so if there's something on there you want, go do the challenges. if not, skip them

[hidden fossil]

or they could have just made it a weekly cap like all the shops and left it all alone

[formal yew]

Shame about fish flingers, was a good opportunity to heavily buff xp rates and decrease the time between runs. Now it's just a trim req activity, could've been a fun training method. Lazy.

[oblique helm]

still devalues the actual skill. being able to not do most the content but still get the rewards from lvling is as bad as having it buyable directly from store
they chose to leave off lamps from store because they wanted ppl to interact with the skill

[worn ginkgo]

So, is the dark onyx core just on the wilderness drop table, or?

[spice reef]

yeah I didn't expect them to back out of removing daily challenges because it's just pure exp and has no content attached to it

[oblique helm]

i dont think its on that table at all. seems like its on activities such as salamander catching (and some others) and completing wilderness slayer tasks. so not just generic wildy combat camping

[lusty mason]

I'm really not pleased with the outright removal of a placed death swiftness. I would've had absolutely no issue with making it a fleeting boots effect (which would be more fitting for the boots). It was an iconic part of the style and one of the main reasons I enjoyed engaging with Ranged over melee and Necro. Part of the issue is you've given us nothing in return to teeth on, you've somehow managed to simplify the style without actually addressing some of the core issues with the styles. This is something that should've been in beta before it went live.

I'll note that FFXIV, the notoriously casual friendly MMO, the MMO known for sanding off as much friction as possible from their jobs, has 1. done multiple rounds of simplification passes through BLM and not only has leylines stayed, it got more tools to engage with it (Between the Lines which teleports you to your leylines, Retrace which lets you move them), and 2. they even added another caster with a leyline mechanic in this era of simplified jobs, PCT.

leylines aren't some gigabrained sweaty minmaxxy optimization for the elite, they're an integral part of the culture at every level of play (look up "FFXIV leylines memes" and you'll get a bounty of results), they're an incredibly intuitive mechanic to understand with a very clear payoff and a very clear restriction. For casual players you can just hit the button and do your best to stay in them and it's still fun. For people pushing their combat optimization it's a further way to engage with fights and plan your rotation and movement around and it forces you to actually pay attention to what's happening and how a fight is timelined/mechanics work. Having just a flat damage buff with no further engagement is just lazy at best and boring at worst.

meanwhile you still have people complaining about ammo usage (unless that got fixed and I missed it), the 99 cape is useless for bows (a cape should be generically useful for all weapons of a combat style)

[oblique helm]

what you mean the 99 cape useless for bows? its tied to effects of ammo not just bolts, arrows have affects too at high levels such as imbued dino arrows

[lusty mason]

it affects chance, not magnitude, unless the cape isn't worded properly. All of the 95 arrows are on hit effects, it's useless because there's no chance to increase, the chance is just 100%

[oblique helm]

ah yea. forgot those effects are static and not chance based. are bolts really the only chance based effects? if so i 100% agree perk isnt as good as it could be

[lusty mason]

the old deathspores were RNG but the RNG was your crit chance, I'm not sure if the cape gave additional chance on top of that but it's moot since the new arrows are now on hit

demon/dragons are just damage/acc, wens spores splinters and black stones are on hit

[oblique helm]

on topic of useless perks though. can we look at 120 thieveing. Having it reduce the effect of being caught in heist is bad and lazy design. Its a buff given at 120 thieving and only applies if you are bad at 1 specific training method of thieving.
It should have been something a little broader like having safes (useful in multiple training styles) would "auto-click" when they flash making it more of a QOL perk

[near pike]

Can we have some way to stack 1hr of shooting-star bonus in 1 go without it being too much of an inconvenience for places like gate of elendis. This change really screwed over the gate grind

[outer holly]

Alright I do wanna point out something about the removal of the free runes from the Wicked Hood. I've been using it to "skip" bad altars when runecrafting with the runic attuner. (7 skips a day, 25x7)

When the runic attuner sends you to a non profitable altar twice in a row, you could draw runes from the hood and progress to the next altar without hauling to the bank again.

Perhaps one of the Wicked Hood / Elite outfit perks could include something similar?

[lusty mason]

to finish my last ¶, there's still the fundamental issue that ranged does not adequately prepare people to track hit counts, which is what the style fundamentally is at 95, with wens/spores, and with BOLG. If you want to remove complexity and interaction from positioning and movement then I propose that Death Swiftness should instead be an on hit or bolg-lite effect, perhaps on third or fifth hit.

To draw another parallel to FFXIV, you can look at AST this expansion. People were often picking WHM over it or just opting to double shield and so they sanded off all the rough edges from AST (second lightspeed charge, button consolidation, less APM intensive burst, minor/major static cycle instead of being RNG, extended the duration of the damage buffs), a lot of people who played it after the changes did so because it was so far ahead of WHM in terms of group damage potential and mitigation that it was almost considered griefing to not take it over WHM. In spite of the simplification, WHM still continues to be a playrate abomination because the job knows and all of squares changes to WHM lean in to what people already like about the job without changing the core gameplay. AST is barely above WHM in terms of difficulty now and for most of the expansion was leagues ahead of it in terms of both damage and utility and in spite of that, many people still stuck to WHM (and/or the shieldies). And you see people leaving AST or avoiding the job because it gets changed so much that there's no insurance that if you enjoy that iteration of its gameplay that it'll stick around.

It's incredibly infuriating to put time and effort into learning something and then just have all of that skill and effort and knowledge taken away, which is why I'm so fucking livid about the death swiftness puddle removal.

It's doubly infuriating when you have very obvious solutions that could allow you to please people who want it both ways that you ignore

I'm not joking about leylines being a huge deal in FFXIV either, if you go to the FFXIV main sub and just filter by "leylines":

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/search/?q=leylines&type=media&cId=bd88e01b-f753-4424-af10-01c9cd44f5b2&iId=673c6b47-8ea9-449e-a22d-fe770a0c2f0f

you get an endless supply of memes and posts about it. It's a huge part of the culture and people are really attached to them, it's a beehive that not even Square is willing to remove in the name of simplification because it's that important to people

[outer holly]

Also very happy with the changes to quick teleports using Law runes. Using natural game resources like runes is the perfect solution imo!

[hidden fossil]

I would have preferred like a lower 3 or 4 law rune cost, and the inclusion of elemental runes in the cost personally, but still not terrible over as a replacement

[oblique helm]

id say 1-2 laws and maybe a pure ess. 5 is too much

[wise sentinel]

Agreed. At 5 laws, why wouldn’t I just use a tele that only costs 1 AND is instant?

[indigo dew]

Guess you could say, you think its a lode of-

[barren stirrup]

Inventory space

[outer holly]

5 is fine, it'll make law runes slightly more desirable, and it's cheaper than it used to be

[wise sentinel]

Oh I’m not complaining about price. And I’m no stranger to running law runes. It just seems odd that they’d settle on 5.

[outer holly]

Law runes is the teleport rune, I don't think there's anything odd about it. In fact, I think the replacement is perfect as they placed it

[hidden fossil]

I still think it should include elemental runes though

Though if we were going by the thematic aspect, realistically it should have been time runes, cause, you know, its speeding up the teleport?

As a side note, back to the runespan point changes, those point acquisitions should have been at least 3x, or 4x even, or at the very least the costs of the shop and prestige should have additionally been lowered imo

runespan isnt exactly peak content

[oblique helm]

maybe a scaling cost lik wicked pouch charges. where it takes lik 10 air for a charge or 1 time tune

[hidden fossil]

The main reason i only say thematically for time runes, is because they arent exactly accessible before certain levels, so it would lock it out for a huge chunk of people

[oblique helm]

or a tradable runespan reward "unstable time rune"

[static scarab]

Why can't we STORE pure essence into the Wicked Hood? Amounts increasing depending how many other outfit pieces we unlocked. I know, it isn't the same as Free Essence, but its usefulness could continue

[hidden fossil]

Part of that problem is all the wicked hoods features were also part of the runecrafting infinity outfit, so that would become kinda janky id assume, doable im sure, but jank nonetheless

[waxen path]

Sandstone is absolutely terrible now.
This might even be worse than the original timegate. Why does flask-making glass have to be so arbitrarily difficult to obtain?

[static scarab]

I'm sure Jagex has thought of the answer, but the question... What is the point of playing everyday? When I stop playing everyday, what game will I start playing, and then forget about Runescape entirely.

[static scarab]

Yes it is. Not sure who is going to mine sandstone, when flasks are 7k, and primal ores are 10k+

[quartz otter]

This was always my thought. It's an attention marketplace, and that's been why MMOs are the way they are since they first were created. Turns out I didn't lie on the survey when saying I expected to play less

[elder basin]

rune pouches already exist

[idle wagon]

i'm annoyed that i can't completely remove the newly unlocked things from my runemetrics window

like why can't i get rid of the combat stats and drops categories entirely? i don't need them
i just want my three skill rows like before

[oblique helm]

right click the "header" of the damage and you can remove it

[idle wagon]

but it just keeps telling me "you can't remove the last column in a group"

[oblique helm]

then when you get it down to 1 column, right click the icon on left instead and remove row like u do with skills

[idle wagon]

ahhhhh thank you

[formal yew]

Weirdly enough, I think the star change made them both more op and more fomo then before. Since you can now hop and mine unlimited stars per wave. The meta is just doing whatever the highest star is atm, resulting in very high xp and making doing them every 90mins for like 20 mins/half an hour extremely strong.

[hidden fossil]

So i have a major pet peeve with the new reaper system, if we are taking away the previous reroll system and treating them like slayer assignments, can we not please get a block list? I do not like the idea of being assigned nonsense like Solak or Vorago and forced to spend 30 slayer points to attempt to reroll that now, with no way of blocking tasks similar to slayer ones

[cosmic wadi]

having a block/prefer list does sound nice

[outer bear]

could the wicked hood theoretically be used to store altar teletabs, like the arc and menaphos journals?

[fluid iris]

Considering the amount of runes that went into vis wax it's justified.

[formal badger]

Lol too many cores

Yall botched that. Its basically a comm9n item from the amount people gettin

[candid bloom]

If you dont want to play game, dont play game. Only sounds like a good thing to me, and everyone else. Most people arnt so fickle that they'll stop playing because they now have the flexibility to play when they want, and not stress about dailies.

[prime shuttle]

Woo! Price drop for the win!

[formal badger]

And being t4 and doing jad as a repear nonstop by farming the 3 jads in normal mode zuk is broken. Enjoy the tbousands of slayer points/hr

[bright comet]

Reaper tasks need a better reset system. My first two tasks were Zuk and Araxxi and I have 93 defense and 83 herblore.

[candid bloom]

Sounds like you should give them a try

[quartz otter]

Yeah, I liked those brief weeks where you got choice of assignment so I could actually engage with them and it wasn't some boss I'd never even heard of, where you go look it up on the wiki and get recommended a whole bunch of gear I've also never even seen

[kind cipher]

You dont have to carry anything to do it. The charges will just live in your interface. Also, lodestones go to different places than teleport spells. I think 5 is about right. Quick lodestone teles were always a luxury anyway.

[dry wren]

not to mention available immediately once you activate it. no skill levels required. just going to it once

[mellow jackal]

to be honest, quick tps are easy to mantain even for irons, with the new shops rework

[fluid iris]

Curious for those that used runespan points already on esteem etc do we get half our points back?

[pale sand]

Does not appear so, nope.

[strange jackal]

so just logged in game and i gotta wonder why did they add the exhaustion bar back to sandstone?

[mellow jackal]

i dont know why they want to remove wicked hood altar teleports, its literally harmless

[quartz otter]

I was glad I had a few thousand in the bank because it is onerous just to fill the backpack now. It does make some of the Tess archaeology rewards more worthwhile, though.

[fluid iris]

I understand the change in the grind for ppl. I don't begrudge the change.
However I have grinded it and unlocked for achievements so it monitored by Jx. I dont think it is unreasonable for half our points to be reimbursed.
Everyone that has grinded away now has to re grind away to get tablets. It would be nice to get a small compensation instead of a constant take from those that have completed content that is now deemed too hard, fomo, or deemed wrong direction now.

[hidden fossil]

Oh fun, i see they completely missed the arc daily chimes cap they said they would address in a previous post

[fluid iris]

Assuming because its not considered a special mining now. Afk will have its penalties.

I actually find some of these dailies have made what was a quick idk 5min task is now grind.

[hidden fossil]

Honestly looks like the arc as a whole was completely missed, considering like half of its content is daily grinds

[fervent temple]

such as ?

[fervent temple]

probably why it was "skipped" on this round of rework

[mellow jackal]

just finish 4 hours of fishing at deep sea, no sight of green map, as i tought the chances still shit

[fluid iris]

Good to know thanks

[wise sentinel]

It’s funny, I said the same thing about people (like me) who focused on things like permanent items from TH, instead of lamps or stars. Cuz I could always earn xp, but those items were inaccessible any other way. And then I got shouted down when I pointed out that it’s unfair they took a bunch of items away, but didn’t roll back lamp xp.

[waxen path]

No longer takes a month to obtain the blessed flask. Now it's just 10 additional hours of mining crystal-flecked and red standstone for no reason. What a terrible design choice.

[wise sentinel]

Like whenever I had the chance (frozen hearts, selecting items for the pool, etc) I always dropped lamps and favored the items.

[fervent temple]

^

[green thicket]

The achievement "Simply Divine" was forgotten to be removed

[fluid iris]

I'm 100% behind you. I'm not a fan of TH but if they take items there should be compensation of some sort. I'm not saying it has to be gp. They could do it numerous ways.
I'm miffed my disco outfit & zombie outfit is going. It was a lotto card event. Spend so much time completeing those cards. I get the items not the direction Jx wants to go but make them cosmetic.
I find the inconsistency the biggest bug bear.

[fluid iris]

I hear you. I don't know what the answer is but making ppl feel, idk scammed or robbed I would have thought wasn't the right path. Some sort of recognition, acknowledgement with compensation would definitely help towards lessening the loss.

[wise sentinel]

Lol they didn’t even refund people who paid bonds for certain stuff. Like they’re taking real money from people, with no refunds. They only refunded people who bought auras AFTER the aura killing update was announced.

[oblique helm]

so what does the "additional tasks" unlock for 150 reaper do now (and subsequent 250 slayer points for a task) with the context that you can now already do unlimited reapers a day

[wise sentinel]

Nothing currently. Would be nice to be able to bank a task reroll, like how clues can bank rerolls.

[oblique helm]

yea or unlock choice of 2 reapers anytime you get a task akin to slayer

[fluid iris]

Yes unfortunately they they have chosen to go down an abrasive path.

[wise sentinel]

It would actually be interesting to see a lawsuit play out. It was already ruled that gp is an actual thing that can be stolen.

IIRC, some player sued another player for scamming them, and won because the courts determined that in-game items have real value. So it would be interesting to see how that lawsuit would play out from someone who lost a lot of items in the updates.

Especially when Jag has bonds, which directly tie money to gp

Doubly so when lots of the items being removed were from TH keys, which could be bought with real money

[fluid iris]

Not an uncommon thought, however,
I believe this post is not allowed. Even if no threat etc no talk of lawsuits, I could be wrong.

[wise sentinel]

No clue tbh. I was just saying it would be interesting to watch from afar. I don’t have the time or money for a lawsuit lmao

[fluid iris]

fair

[calm marsh]

So now that Divination's coolest reward space Divine Locations are removed, are there any thoughts or plans on making the skill more than just invention fuel?

[hidden fossil]

its porter fuel too

[calm marsh]

Hurray! An entire skill that makes porters, invention charges, and transmutes onyxes.

[outer bear]

so what happens to the runemetrics website now?

[hidden fossil]

hey now, transmuting onyxs is important work

[static scarab]

As a 5,8er, I'm having difficulties finding a reason to play. Many of the things I enjoyed doing, DAILY, have been discontinued or changed dramatically. Not sure if it is quitting time, but that time is closer than ever.

[calm marsh]

We also seem to have forgotten that Locators (though also not a great reward?) require divine locations as a material lol

[glass monolith]

WHOAH!!! WHAT THE HELL I I NEED MY DIVINE LOCATIONS BACK IM A HARDCORE IRONMAN

WHERE DO I PROTEST!?!?!? AND MY WICKED HOOD ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?!?!?

[deft sandal]

we uhhhhh might want to remove this lol

[unkempt loom]

They should make it to where you can buy reaper task resets with marks of war.

[outer bear]

locators need revamping anyway

[mellow jackal]

talking of reaper tasks, i think we need 7-14 weekly free task refreshes

btw, just did a whole extended greenfingers aura at wildy herb patch with instagrowns, didnt gey any wild special drop there

[calm marsh]

THIS

[glass monolith]

bring back divine locations!

[mellow jackal]

they were removed because some ppl (i dont know who) feels bad to missed or forced themselves to complete some dailies, personally divine locations i did just a few back on my early game as ironman, but now being a lategame iron i just ignore it and doesnt affect me, in the case of removing free hood rc tps, yeah, that was stupid

[deft sandal]

Weren't private encounters going to be made free?

[static scarab]

They did tell us that, to counter the negative changes. But if you listen to any politician, we know, big difference between what we are promised and what is delivered.

[solemn spear]

they said that would be "later this year", so some time in the next 9 months I guess

[deft sandal]

pretty sure that's the only thing missing

[solemn spear]

I guess with a game this old you can't discount the possibility that removing the cost actually takes time to do and test properly

[static scarab]

If we right-click the Runecrafting Cape and click Activate, it still gives us a pop-up telling us what is our personal best type of runes.

[ancient notch]

I don't understand why these nice changes all have to be "later this year" when it's not even a difficult update to implement. Just like when they announced runemetrics would be free, why not just give it back then?

[pale sand]

Hey Khan - would you please report this in-game and/or here?

[static scarab]

I can do a bug report

[pale sand]

[hidden fossil]

ngl im not even surprised how much fell through the cracks on this one, theyre pushing things to fast, i mentioned it before, but like the entire dailyscape of the arc also was missed

They changed the port shop to stack up to 7 days or resources, but forgot to change ports to not have a daily reroll limit

They got the granny rowana shop in the fort, but missed both the shop in priff and the one in taverly that sell bomb and powerburst vials

I wont deny that a lot of this update was a win, but they missed or skipped alot of stuff, which is why it all feels to rushed

[outer bear]

removing free tps is fine
removing all tps is very not good

[mellow jackal]

i only know if they think ppl will do hours of runespan just for some cheap rc altar tps, that aint going to go like they want

[candid bloom]

A majority of people dont like dailies (we know this from surveys), getting basically free things always makes the original methods worse. Divine locations are very in line with what was being removed. If you need daily low effort gains, you probably dont enjoy the main gameplay all that much.

[outer bear]

usually that's a supply/demand problem

[outer bear]

speaking of which, when soul altar teletab

[candid bloom]

Well, it relates to exp and ironman in a poor way too. Its a gameplay problem. If the main activity is bad, that need fixing. People dont need to be boosted daily for existing.

[solemn spear]

you seem to know a lot about a 25 year old game's codebase, you should work at Jagex

[indigo dew]

Vindication has been recieved for the weeks I spent chained to the Soul Altar burning wicked hood teleports in order to be ready for when Jagex pulled the rug out like this.

I really wish they would follow up on what they say instead of trying stuff like that :/ It makes me unable to trust them with anything. If you plan to retire grandfathering, be upfront about it. If you plan to remove mtx stuff at a specific time, follow up on the promise that you wont remove things related to them until the time you promised. If you plan to raise membership, do it at a time when there has been content released enough to justify the raising. Like tomorrow. If Jagex had made the announcement at the onset of Havenhythe instead of a week ago, there may have been much less uproar over it :/

[candid bloom]

One change id like to see. Flask sandstone was not included in methods eligible for the paradox spell because of daily. Now that its not, it should he included in what paradox effects.

[mellow jackal]

i think that ship sail.... today?, no longer a daily anymore, just hard to mine and get, i think ppl was talking about taking 15 min to mine what you could in 3 mins in the past

[candid bloom]

That was my entire point. Its clearly not a daily now. So allowing paradox to work makes sense. And kind of fixes the nodes on its own

[mellow jackal]

oh my bad, i tought you were talking about the spell that reset some time gated activities, you tested paradox at those and did nothing?, because if is that, they proably should fix it eventually, there is no reason to not work with sandstone

[candid bloom]

Theres no word of it changing, they would have said so. Safe to assume it doesnt work. But yeah, needs attention. That could be the difference that makes sandstone fine.

[mellow jackal]

to be honest, i think they should make easier to get sandstone but by normal ways, but still, paradox should work on those

[raw drum]

that's crazy they removed the weekly challenge. that was the whole reason i keep playing. for the rewards

[indigo dew]

Well, you were told in advance itd be going :/

[hidden fossil]

Personally i do see the removal of dailyscape fomo being removed as a good thing, i really just wish they would have focused on the rebalancing and reworks of skills, xp rates, and the rewards for them first. Ive said this before elsewhere, but the main reason people felt the need to do these other methods was because the primary way of doing or acquiring them just kinda sucks, even now some of the changes they made to things like the runespan points dont feel like enough, and with the removal of the wicked hood teleports, the reward shop feels even more useless, cause whos gonna really want teletabs when the abyss exists unless they can be functionally stored IN the hood?

[outer bear]

they are working on mid- and late-game rebalancing

[hidden fossil]

Yes, but that should have happened FIRST

You dont remove a bandaid before a wound is healed or it can fester

Im not saying some of these changes arent great, cause they are, as a whole it just feels nicer to not have the stress of fomo with a lot of the daily chores, a game shouldnt feel like a second job. But some things didnt go far enough, some were missed, and some shouldnt really have been completely removed, but just reworked

[foggy pebble]

With merchant stock being a weekly cap thing, would it be considered..... broken.. if you could buy items noted from Merchants ala Meat from Oog'log like you can battlestaves from Baba Yaga's shop and Lunet's Battlestaves in Prif?

[hidden fossil]

The changes to reaper tasks also feels bad to me because it tries to make bossing a more advanced slayer, but with it needing points to skip, honestly it should just coopt the whole slayer system and have block/prefer lists like someone else mentioned earlier

Oh, unless im mistaken, also with this update the ability to get deathtouched darts are now functionally removed from the game, not that its a bad thing to remove it, but its gonna cause a few problems for some, like the necromancy amby kill for instance.
Didnt mean that to be a reply rofl

[raw drum]

Why did they remove the traveling merchant?

[elder basin]

because its bad design

[raw drum]

What you mean?

[hidden fossil]

It was a bandaid, a lot of the shop was to sell a way around bad content

[elder basin]

instead of playing the game, you go and trade a guy who lets you skip major grinds

[foggy pebble]

Cause they didn't like you, particularly Irons being able to skip content, which said content sucked to begin with, looking at you Livid Farm

[hidden fossil]

Atleast the took livid farm cost down by like 70% to compensate for that one specifically

[raw drum]

All I was after was the red uncharted island map

[foggy pebble]

Still costs tremendous amounts of Cosmic/Astral Runes and is insanely slow

[elder basin]

go fish it up. you can afk it now in the deep sea hub.

[raw drum]

I have other things to do

[hidden fossil]

If you think its bad now, and it was bad before, you should have seen it how it originally was

it was like 860k points originally, it was not fun getting that comp requirement back in the day

[raw drum]

I know I have been playing for a long time

[hidden fossil]

I was more directing that at wolx

its still an over all bad minigame, but is leagues better then what it originally was

Its basically nothing but a Comp check mark honestly anyway, the spells are barely worth the time it takes to unlock them even now, let alone before

I see they missed the daily heart bounty limit they said they were addressing as well

[mellow jackal]

lmao, is knowing by all red map chaser community (but no jagex), that chances from direct fishing there are trash for red map (green maps too), 99.9% of red maps came from merchant, i know they suppose to improve chances today (without giving true probabilities/ numbers), but i did the test, 4 hours and not sign of any green map

[elder basin]

they buffed the rates so maybe its better now

[mellow jackal]

from 0,000000000000000001 to 0,00000000000000002

for some reason tavia is the only heroic item they never release the true probabilities to get it, idk the reason, but i start to think even they dont know it

[ancient notch]

You don't need to know coding. You just need common sense

[solemn spear]

this game was not coded with common sense

[hidden fossil]

Its called spaghetti code for a reason, how else does an update directed at combat somehow make wood boxes invisible, or an update thats supposed to change dailyscape somehow break the memory dowser. Im pretty sure the reason they are remastering DG for instance is cause from what i remember, at one point it was opening admitted they dont really know how the original dg code works, which was why its never really been internally updated before now. I think it was built off of code form an old funorb game? But to be fair, its not like its a jagex exclusive problem either

Could be misremembering the part about them admitting to the dg code thing, but still, isnt like team fortress 2 held together by a png of a coconut? And theres the guilty gear with its reliance on a hidden goku file that like all of their fighters reference for moves. Game code is wierd, and with a game as old as runescape, your bound to bump into some ancient load bearing pillar by mistake, so yea, this isnt all just common sense to be fair rofl

[delicate canyon]

reaper reset 100% needs a change, also the black salamanders farming for wildy table is a complete mess.

black salamanders requiring 67 hunter access the table, and charming moths requiring 88 hunter dont? Makes no sense.

[last haven]

Are there any confirmations from mods regarding a tuzzy threshold?

[glass monolith]

everything else in the update seems great, daily scape should not be nuts on the game but fr? one divine location a day was actually a real cool feature for low level progression. wicked hood im neutral on, BUT Daily DIV WTF BRUH FIX THIS SHIT!

[fluid iris]

Worked away in wildy for over 1hr managed to get 2 tp shards ...
1hr in fishing hub = nothing. I would of been happy with a green map.
5min activity v's hours of grinding.... Improvement, I don't think so. Improved my enjoyment of game, that's a 100% negative.

Why has runespan, and livid farm grinds been nerfed and at the same time created grinds in wildy and fishing hub, bewildering 😵‍💫

[foggy pebble]

Cause you um.... don't need Tavia's Rod?

[fluid iris]

Agree, but I used those green maps, game change for arc achievements. It's a significant impact.
Never going to get a Tavia.

[tawny axle]

time to just use chimes > buy supplies > go to islands instead of using the maps 🙂

[fluid iris]

That's obviously what I'll have to do. So I stand by my comment.
Cutting the grind to livid and runespan but increasing grinds in other areas.

[hidden fossil]

You cant get 6 resource islands without maps last i checked

[foggy pebble]

Yes, you can't get 6 resource islands without maps

But after you get your ideal one you can just plant a flag on it and travel back there at any time so after you claim your first island it's no big deal

[hidden fossil]

as a side note

this part of the update is kinda nuts

[foggy pebble]

I see 6 or so people at the wildy herb patch while I do my slayer tasks, it's kinda funny

[hidden fossil]

im at the lizards rofl, i wanted to post the lizard gif, but it wouldnt let me

[fluid iris]

Ideal island helps with resources. If you're after salty achievement it requires 302 350 chimes and 384 Taijitu ... it's was a grind with *green maps. It's now even worse :/
Edited add *combination maps & supplies

[foggy pebble]

If I need Taijutu I just do small islands

[cyan burrow]

Just replaced daily scape with afkscape

[solemn geyser]

@sharp ridge Is there any reason you know of why flies didn't get the 7 day shop stock treatment from the pet shop?

[hidden fossil]

They apparently mentioned it on reddit, i dont know how far up the screencap is, but apparently some shops work on the same code, and some have their own unique code. So the ones that didnt share code were missed i guess? Let me see if i can find it

[solemn geyser]

amazing, thank you

[foggy pebble]

Is there a reason why Powerburst and Bomb vials were excluded from the weekly shop?

Also Taverly vial stock?

[outer dawn]

Yea so, look up 2 comments

[foggy pebble]

Yea I read that, but this also does not address Iron shop runs, particularly Bomb Vials, which we use a lot of whilst bossing.
And as we cannot trade, but still use herblore supplies en masse, it seems really unfair that Bomb Vials were not included in this

[safe stream]

Fort one was addressed normally, as stated in the update page in the website

Meilyr and taverley could be oversights

[foggy pebble]

It said that the botanist shop in Fort was included, but when I went there when I logged on the shop still only sold 100 bomb vials

[safe stream]

Maybe you already bought it and forgot, it is indeed working

[foggy pebble]

Must have been Meilyr shop I visited, I will swing by Fort and double check

Must have been the Meilyr shop I visited then, my bad

[safe stream]

All good! Hopefully you got your stock up now, noone deserves making em via molten glass lol

[candid bloom]

You can just decant to get more vials anyways

Decant 1, decant 4, deposit repeat

[unkempt loom]

I think it would be a lot better if they made reaper task resets available through marks of war, also keeping 1 free re-roll would have been nice. Having to do a giant mole task because you don't have/don't want to spend 30 slayer points doesn't feel great. Especially because the amount you get for the task doesn't equal out for the reset.

[neon furnace]

Seems like the wilderness special event drops are not triggering when harvesting the wildy patch using liquid patch bombs, is that correct?

[candid bloom]

Seems nerfed by a lot, or turned kff. None from sallies in over 700 catches. Worlds also seem to be emptying of people trying, suggesting similar (or they are all finished grinding it now)

[neon furnace]

Didn't even get a shard after 200 herb patches this morning before the game patch. Maybe the liquid patch bomb isnt triggering the drops at all or I'm just unlucky.

[vital shard]

Seems so, close to 1hour without a reward proc while having 13 procs in the hour before update, unfortunately no core - sad that I only find out about these things if they're already nerfed or on the edge of being nerfed

[static solstice]

early bird bonus as always! more Q/A is needed tbh

[fallow epoch]

1h+ and nothing as well

[tawny axle]

As always. We are the Q/A

[candid bloom]

Earlybird sucks so much. Its also horrible we dont have confirmation, so you rely on rng to tell you

[dawn sonnet]

That's a nice idea, now that the uses for marks are dwindling. The other side of that issue is if you're low-level, an iron, or a GIM and you get a boss you can't reasonably do yet (say Vorago).

Alternate reroll mechanics might include

1. Tiered slayer point costs (1 -> 10 -> 20 -> 30, first one is free with the reaper shop upgrade and the rest are 50% cost)
2. Similar to old system, but the reward % decrease also affects slayer xp (so 2nd reroll is 75% reaper points and slayer xp to avoid xp abuse)
3. At the minimum give us a fresh pick per daily reset, but then you're edging back into DailyScape and might like to avoid that

[rigid pecan]

I suspect they overdid nerfs and bricked them. I guess it goes to show abuse stuff early i suppose

[formal badger]

I mean, many were at 5-10 cores yesterday camping that spot. It needed a nerf

Cores went from super rare to here, have free money

[vital shard]

It needed someone from the dev or q/a team to test that. Same as it needed someone to just go into bm and oneshot it with a setup op character on a testserver
This way the earlybirds made their money yet again (or their bm pet etc.) while everyone else is left out

[unkempt loom]

Also a great idea!

I have a gim and when I started out doing reapers getting mole was ideal (no antifires yet) so being able to reroll kbd task to get mole or barrows brothers was ideal. Having to do that while costing 30 slayer points would be extremely cost/time inductive

[rigid pecan]

The aspects dropped to like 150m which is neat makes these niche items more obtainable

[ancient notch]

How does a maintenance affect salamander drops? Or are they doing content updates during maintenance? And what is the hotfix? Are they going to nerf the rates or leave it as it is? Will we get any communication?

And what even are the drop rates for this?

[rigid pecan]

We dont know. The update bugged salamanders. We have no communication outside of that sofar

[formal badger]

I mean, a nerf was obviously gunna happen because this is stupid

[rigid pecan]

Ive also heard people doing 6 hours and getting nothing.

[ancient notch]

I don't see why it needs to be nerfed, it's nice qol to have and it's still rng...some people still haven't gotten any

[strong olive]

?? you dont see the image above being an issue?

[ancient notch]

No? Like I said just because some people are lucky doesn't mean we all are. Cores don't need to be super rare either. The only people who have issues with it are people who hoarded it and are now losing money

[strong olive]

Clearly they're too common lol, the item will be worthless if this rate is allowed to continue

[candid bloom]

Thats literally just rng. I went for 2k sallies and got one, prenerf

[ancient notch]

It's not a gamebreaking item to make it uber rare either

[strong olive]

perhaps not, but it still seems more common than intended

[ancient notch]

Yeah it's so common people who spent hours on it still don't have one

[strong olive]

sounds like you're just unlucky

it took me 21 hours to get my ring of vitur on release, i was just unlucky

[ancient notch]

That goes both ways? What kind of an argument is this? Sounds like you're just lucky

Exactly my point. It's already rng and it doesn't need to be nerfed

[strong olive]

there's no argument, just a discussion

[rigid pecan]

Cores were artificially rare anyway

[marble quartz]

How many hours total did the cores take previously to acquire? Do you no see the issue here?

[cosmic wadi]

rng is law of averages, if the average is too high they'll nerf it, if it's too low they'll buff it, we don't actually know what's up with it(wouldn't it be funny if the droprates were bugged to be individually determined so some people had 1/5 and other people had 1/1m)

[brisk wraith]

Where does the thought process come in for keeping it rare and somewhat expensive? It was expensive before because you had to be playing at one of the 4 hour intervals and also stop what you're doing to go to the garbage event.

[vital shard]

Btw. is it normal that mods are more often on their way of looking & commenting into reddit posts than here on their OWN discord?

[ancient notch]

Do you not see the issue in making it so rare ?

[marble quartz]

Nope. Why shouldn't it be rare? Abyss and Grace are prey powerful upgrades.

[strong olive]

clearly there's something off with the rates, as seen by the photo
its not just the onyx core rate, it seems too common from the salamanders compared to the other methods of obtaining the items

[vital shard]

Yeah so funny that I believe my account is not allowed into a hsr roll, maybe because I'm carrying an excalibur with me or whatsoever, wouldn't surprise me

[ancient notch]

And I don't see an issue in making it common because the upgrades it gave weren't game breaking qol.

[brisk wraith]

Abyss upgrade getting a core would be the easy part even with wildy event rates, 1/6k drop rate on task for abyssal wand and orb and you need both

[rigid pecan]

The only reason dark onyx items were expensive because of how they were obtained previously i see no issue in them being semi easy to obtain on account of requring you to go get mats to make them tradeable ontop

[cosmic wadi]

....2,000 porter charges isn't game breaking?

[golden orchid]

its not alot

[marble quartz]

So let's kill he drop rates on all the Legendary items as well then.

[strong olive]

if the core is too common the item would be worthless, which is silly

[cosmic wadi]

500 porter charges is certainly game changing...

[ancient notch]

I can't argue with stupidity like this

[brisk wraith]

The core is already worthless 🙂 you can only buy and sell the fully constructed upgrades

[strong olive]

thank you for the insight

[marble quartz]

I feel like you guys play a different game than the rest of us sometimes.

People getting multiple cores in a day when it previously took literal months wih zero communication on the inent to change the rate a which they come into the game is kinda crazy.

The goal of the update was to reduce dailyscape; not make a major account upgrade trivial.

[rigid pecan]

I think dark onyx cores were a badly designed item tied to fomo content and them being abundant doesnt do anything but devalue people who got them for far more expensive cool.

[strong olive]

they were a badly designed fomo content item; 100% agreed
but like the knight said: The goal of the update was to reduce dailyscape; not make a major account upgrade trivial

[rigid pecan]

And they failed to reduce dailyscape

[strong olive]

can you explain why you feel that way? because i think they did a great job by removing the slop events

[rigid pecan]

Daily challenges should be dead in a ditch

[ancient notch]

"major account upgrade" 2000 charges are nice to have but it's not like it's super hard to charge the gote after 500 charges either. Even an iron can do it

[strong olive]

we're talking about the dark onyx core and it being attached to a fomo method of obtaining it, not daily challenges

[vital shard]

2000 charges is comfort not major account upgrade, the "major" upgrade is seren spells not using prayer points

[strong olive]

if you don't think 2000 charges vs 500 charges is a major account upgrade, i have a bridge to sell you

[rigid pecan]

Dark onyx cores were only worth as much because of them being tied to artificially difficult things

[worn sail]

Ironically they made a new fomo method of obtaining it yesterday lol

[brisk wraith]

The prayer is nice... for div and thieving?? Smithing you could argue you can just craft an orthen furnace

[vital shard]

this.

[strong olive]

there is no fomo about the new method? it's not going anywhere, nor is it limited by any time gate or special event

[candid bloom]

The fomo is that early bird special drops

[sullen walrus]

i would also like to know if the phoenix pet rate has changed, been doing hours of it and nothing..

[worn sail]

You don't see the fomo in them making it really common for a short window of time?

[vital shard]

Fomo of using before nerf. I have two bridges to sell to you if you didn't understood that

[brisk wraith]

People are acting as if farming is an hourly lmao its literally the entire reality of farming in general in game and out you plant seeds and wait. Crazy

[ancient notch]

It really isn't when charging is extremely easy

[strong olive]

so about that bridge i have

[candid bloom]

Having 2k is pretty big. But the prayer is more important. Free prayers good

[worn sail]

I say really common but I did 2 hours and didnt get one lol

[vital shard]

Bro rolling back after getting shutted down by multiple

[candid bloom]

The drop seemed like 1/1k black sallies. Seemed like

[strong olive]

i dont think you know what the difference between fomo and early bird bonuses are so i am just moving on lol

[worn sail]

I agree that it was most likely something like this

[candid bloom]

There isnt a difference. Both cant be true. We feel fomo because we missed out on the earlybird special, because bot awake, work ect

[worn sail]

early bird bonus is just a phrase people use to justify abusing content lol

[vital shard]

I forced myself to do 2hours of sallies because i found that out and saw the "update in 1 hour" and had fomo - and you're here telling it's no fomo?

[strong olive]

You did not have to do that, you chose to

[worn sail]

Like dailies?

[vital shard]

People also did not have to do Wilderness flash events???????

[rigid pecan]

You know what atp tie dark onyx cores to demonic skull there now you have to deal with people killing you now too

[blazing hedge]

Looks like they just implemented the hotfix. Got my first drop in almost 2 hours.

[strong olive]

you don't have to do dailies either, hard to believe i know

[worn sail]

And yet here we are in a thread about removing dailies

[strong olive]

well now you especially don't have to do them because they are removed now

[vital shard]

This guy spins himself around in each sentence, you would make a great politican holy

[strong olive]

"i dont like that someone thinks differently than i do"

[vital shard]

You're here trying to tell me that I didn't had fomo while I had fomo what do you even mean about not accepting others opinions

[candid bloom]

Is this gaslighting? Lol

[ancient notch]

Any update on rates? Nerfed? Untouched?

[candid bloom]

Yeah, fomo is clearly the correct term. And i guess they are up again, but hard to tell if they are reliable enough to trust they got one.

[strong olive]

there was no reason to have fomo, i still don't understand why you did that

[worn sail]

might be gaslighting ngl'

[vital shard]

Maybe consider thinking about what you wrote couple minutes ago

[candid bloom]

Sounds like you dont know what fomo is. Its a feeling of missing out. We missed out on getting those drops. We feel fomo.

[strong olive]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital shard]

This guy is either a professional gaslighter, or a professional ragebaiter. Whatever you are, leave me be

[blazing hedge]

No clue

[rigid pecan]

I hope the jmods clarify if they changed droprates or not

[candid bloom]

They almost certainly did. Too many people were hopping asking about rates, all around the same time

[rigid pecan]

I guess early birds get the worm. So much for the integrity roadmap

[formal badger]

Nerfed.

[worn sail]

Really is crazy how lucky that is lol

[formal badger]

Too bad for the rngless, bit many were getting multiple cores really fast

[rigid pecan]

Shouldnt have been nerfed. Let them drop to sub 100m

[worn sail]

Yeah I did 2 hours with no cores

[rigid pecan]

I am saying it once again. Remove daily challenges

[keen cairn]

106k dailes is a joke .... so sad...

[blazing hedge]

It feels like it got nerfed into the ground. Doesn't feel worth doing anymore.

[ancient notch]

Well rip.

[blazing hedge]

"balanced" #social-feed message

[echo yacht]

They should add more activities to it though, like catching charm moths, pickpocketing rogues even if it will be lower chances as it might be more afk.

[vital shard]

safes in wildy, wizard arena etc. - there's a lot more content in there

[ancient notch]

So much for transparency lol

[static solstice]

good!

[static solstice]

should it drop every 2 hours....?

[worn sail]

I didn't say it should but when people are getting 3 within 3 mins it does feel like I may have been unlucky lol

[silk hornet]

I like the point of dailies helping new players figure out what to do next, but the challenges themselves only last like a minute or two. Max should be used as an npc who gives out random tasks that are more meaningful that teach you about the game. It should only give bonus xp, or he can have a small shop where he sells basic supplies from his years of hoarding everything as a max npc

[crisp shell]

If you think 106k is too much, feel free to try F2P daily challenges which carry a 25% xp nerf.

[fallow badger]

Dailys need to be completely removed not reworked. Keeping them at all goes against the entire reason for the daily scape removal

[novel mulch]

I read through all the changes and do like them for the most part. In the same way other things were changed. You could modify the daily challenges to be unlimited, but with some modifications:

1. The experience bonus could be decreased, either to a flat smaller amount, or decreased more and more after each challenge completion.
2. The challenges could become harder and harder for each on that is completed.
3. There could be achievements added that give titles or one time bonuses or both for doing 100, 1000, 10000 challenges.

[tight valley]

now that you mention it, it is weird that they weren't changed to bonus xp
i want them removed entirely, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about the veracity of half-measures

ideally the game should have zero dailies, i'm more open to weeklies and there's plenty of systems that were changed from daily to weekly in the update, challenges could easily be one of those

[foggy pebble]

Or simply, just not do them

[rigid pecan]

Simply delete daily challenges

Daily challenges have no place in runescape

[indigo dew]

If you delete daily challenges in your mind, Jagex doesnt have to do it for you :P

[mellow jackal]

why not

[foggy pebble]

Dailies exist in all MMOs, why is Runescape any different?

[indigo dew]

Because Runescape is differently built :P

[foggy pebble]

Still an MMO, so moot point

[indigo dew]

Still Runescape, so moot point :P

[fallow badger]

That dosen't remove the temptation and reliance for new players.
"Just don't do em" is not a valid argument for keeping them

[rigid pecan]

You know what lets keep them but remove all xp bonuses from them

[foggy pebble]

I like daily challs, it gives me a starting point for when I wake up each day

[tight valley]

this poor argument gets thrown around in so many games, simply not engaging with the overpowered stuff if you don't like it

fact of the matter is we shouldn't have to restrain ourselves to, players naturally want every edge they can get, but we have to realise when those edges are detrimental to the game

[indigo dew]

Nah, I get what yer gettin at, but how others go about their business shouldnt really affect your playstyle. This makes me wonder if Jagex decided in order to make a bright new future they have to discard everything about the past under Mod Pips steering. Which, truth be told, despite me hating the guys guts and being glad hes gone, doesnt mean everything he did did not have its place in good marketing.

[tight valley]

this is good to say, because it means jagex should explore things that appeals to routine without ruining the game like dailies do

[foggy pebble]

It's all a question of morality.
If you think they are busted, don't do them.
If you don't care, do them.
But don't deprive others of the ability to do them if you cannot resist temptation

[rigid pecan]

I think removing unhealthy elements of the game is a net positive

[tight valley]

look at the farming skill for example, you could start your day with a farming run

[formal badger]

Thats like saying, if you didnt like TH, dont use it. Even tho it was busted. Not a good argumement

At least its only 140k xp a day in dailies for me now instead of 280k

[foggy pebble]

@formal badger Some did, they rolled Iron or just didn't use daily keys, I did a lot on my old mainscape account
By that logic then when are Penguins going to be removed?
You can skip content by doing penguins weekly.

[indigo dew]

Dont tempt them, they might actually remove them. Theyll go the way of Spenechev. I mean anythings on the table at this point. They did that nerf to salamanders that I said was incoming while i was snoozing i see :P

[tight valley]

i would be down for penguin removal, but they do have a positive in that they foster a community dedicated to them

there's no daily challenges community

[rigid pecan]

Penguins are cool. Tied to quests. Tied to community tracking. Daily challenges are like 700k+ xp a week

[cosmic wadi]

I mean, the actual positive of Penguins is getting reminded of the funny questline

[foggy pebble]

So did Deep Sea Fishing Hub, and look what happened in there

[formal badger]

Used yo be 2m for me pre update

[opal parcel]

same with nemi

[rigid pecan]

They removed a single event? No

[cosmic wadi]

I think I'd rather see a change to the reward space for Penguin Points than outright removal if it was decided to be too much XP weekly

[opal parcel]

people only did deep sea events for merch pretty much though

[indigo dew]

I think if theyre playing with reward tables Id rather see them revamp minigames, starting with removal of thaler :P

[tight valley]

anyway bare minimum, all these things should give bonus xp instead of raw xp

[cosmic wadi]

generic XP is kinda a lame reward anyway tbh, it's generic.

[foggy pebble]

People got angry that the merchant was removed and went on a rampage in the DSF discord

[fallow badger]

It's not a question of morality.
It's a question of game health and ballence. They are bad for the game even if you think they arent

[tight valley]

its really as simple as, if you're not training the skill, you shouldn't get xp in the skill
quests are the sole exception

[foggy pebble]

Anything that allows you to skip content could be considered bad, but in that case maybe the reason why people want to skip it should be addressed rather than removing content that skips it

[rigid pecan]

Okay and let them blow off steam its for the health of the game

[tight valley]

anything and everything else needs to be bonus xp at worst and removed at best

[fallow badger]

Thats what they are doing. Issues are being addressed

[formal badger]

Crazy, How is me getting from 99-115 dung through dailies bad for the game?

Its not like i skipped most of the skill.
Oh jk i did

[tight valley]

think about all the daemonheim we could have done together for those levels

[fallow badger]

Dung I can understand. It's in a horrid spot right now.
That will hopefully be fixed with the remaster

[tight valley]

you took yourself off the teamforming market

[foggy pebble]

By reducing the amount of points needed to unlock spells and stuff in Livid Farm but not addressing the fact that the minigame itself sucks and that Cosmic Runes and Astral Runes do not grow on trees, and rune shop runs cost money, which can get expensive if you do them regularly enough

[tight valley]

dailies skipping the dung grind also creates apathy towards improving it
why would anybody care if daemonheim rots if they can just skip the whole thing with dailies

[opal parcel]

Prob didnt have time, there was a lot to do in a short time frame.

[formal badger]

Rc your own astrals lol. And why u need so many cosmics

[tight valley]

this applies to every skill though, but far more pronounced with dungeoneering

if you don't like a skill to the point that you're training it exclusively through dailies, maybe talk about what would make the skill tolerable for you

perhaps even fun for you

[formal badger]

Delete it

[foggy pebble]

Because I have to craft regular combat runes now instead due to spells having the chance of being consumed even with abilities, and that's not even considering ancient magics,buff spells and Lunar spells without even starting to think about Livid Farm

[formal badger]

Id rather do agility than dung

[tight valley]

not helpful

[rigid pecan]

I think they should delete all skills but mining and rename the game dwarfscape 3

[fallow badger]

Oh it's still absolutely bad. Dung needs to be addressed so there's no reason to want to skip it with dailys.

[fallow badger]

Shop runs. 35k elemental runes a week

[foggy pebble]

So basically, don't boss for a week while I let my runes recuperate

[tight valley]

can always make some if you need more

no different than making arrows for ranged

you're right, its not something you had to do before, but i'd flip that on its head and say, its something you should have had to do all along

[formal badger]

Think its like 50k elemental

I got 45k and skipped a couple shops like ape atoll

[crimson harness]

It's way different from ranged arrows, you can't buy ammo above t50 while rune costs scale with quantity rather than quality, so you can in fact buy max-tier magic spell "ammo".

[foggy pebble]

I'd be okay with ammo upkeep if crafting god arrows didn't take forever

[fallow badger]

I got 35k of each type. I'd have to double check next week tho

[formal badger]

Might have missed ali shop, smallet shops like betty in port sarim, or anacronia, void knoght post

[fallow badger]

Ranged is in a... weird spot. Arrows need monster materials past 70 fletch

[fallow badger]

Definitely got those shops. Only one I know I didn't get was ape Atoll

[formal badger]

What someone got from all shops

[fallow badger]

Thas a good chunk

[formal badger]

Is it weekly reset or just accumulates up to 7 days ?

[static solstice]

are they an iron? Aren't you not suposed to be buying some of those runes?

[formal badger]

Like which? And yes

[static solstice]

https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Buying_runes

[formal badger]

Were irons
I dont do the make money thing.

[static solstice]

no no I know, which is why I asked, was just wondering

I don't do it for money either, I just do it to save money over the ge

[formal badger]

Tbh idk if i need 300k mind runes but ill buy them just cuz

[ancient notch]

This was the same argument made for th. "If you don't like it, don't engage with it" and we saw how it ruined the game.

[crisp shell]

TH is on a whole different scale than daily challenges.

[ancient notch]

The argument premise is the same. They are both detrimental, just in different ways

[crisp shell]

I don't see the detrimental part of it. I've been getting about 76k xp per day from it, and that's only once I've gotten 99 in all skills.

[fallow badger]

Accumulates over time not just a hard restock

[foggy pebble]

Also daily challs are no longer 'OP' as they can no longer be rerolled or extended

[rigid pecan]

Id say 100k for 5 minutes of work is OP. Thats alot for certain skills

[foggy pebble]

Provided you are already maxed when earning xp is moot, and when you think about it, from about 106 onwards, 100k xp is actually pretty pathetic

[candid bloom]

Irons enjoy having large stockpiles of things, as futureproofing. As gp is useless, its almost always worth doing.

[rigid pecan]

Not for the amount of effort put in but alright. The fact they went back on there promise is bad

[tawny axle]

Many people would kill to get 100k xp in 5 minutes at those levels.

[foggy pebble]

Which people worried about that kind of xp at those kind of levels already do

[tawny axle]

theres a good list of skills that don't

[crisp shell]

Then fix the skills?

[candid bloom]

Its mostly an integrity thing. Its still disproportionate exp for time, even if you think its not that relevant

[rigid pecan]

[keen idol]

100k is a lot, that's 5 anachronia laps (~30 minutes gameplay skipped every day)

[tawny axle]

• this xp is basically free. For most skills that do have those xp rates you actually have a cost to them

[foggy pebble]

Integrity means different things to a lot of different people.
Would you deprive newer players some easy xp per day just because you don't like the prospect of earning some easy xp for some easy tasks to do daily?

[tawny axle]

Yes. I'd like them to actually have to play the game to progress

[crisp shell]

Ladder pulling.

[candid bloom]

New players dont need that exp. They need to enjoy the game. Getting exp shouldnt mean enjoyment

[echo yacht]

Ughhh I don't dare to buy dark facet stuff now.. or it goes up because of the nerf or it goes down if jagex gonna slightly boost again -.-

[foggy pebble]

They still have to
Could you imagine having to level up every single skill entirely through dailies?
And before you get 99 in a skill barring combat related skills you cannot turn them off.
And now you can't reroll or extend them so you don't get to choose where that xp goes or increase the xp gained from them

[candid bloom]

If big exp numbers = enjoyment and thats it, you burn extremely easily the second the dopamine doesnt hit. The skills just need adjusting, which is happening.

[crisp shell]

The xp you get is also scaled by your level, so new players really don't have big xp drops.

[candid bloom]

I did no dailies (when i could avoid it) in my iron journey, and it was great. Cept for agility and dg. Still didnt use dailies on them

[foggy pebble]

Right, because leveling Agility, Dungeoneering, Herblore pre 91, summoning when you have no gold and crafting is such a blast

[oblique badge]

Anyway that the pet shop in taverly to be added to the weekly reset shops? The flies are one of the best ways to get food for pof on an ironman

[candid bloom]

Herblore is solved by quests. Agility sucks and needs a rework. Dg needs a rework. None need skipping. Quests kinda allowing you to skip 1 skill is fine.

[formal badger]

Can literally chose your daily at max lvl

[crisp shell]

If max lvl can choose their daily, how is that a new player problem?

[foggy pebble]

Which at that point no longer matters, because the xp is so small that it barely makes a dent in any skill you are undoubtedly using triple challs on at that level

[candid bloom]

Its a problem the whole way up really. its about them existing at all. The exp is always disproportionately large for the time/investment.

[rigid pecan]

Daily challenges should have been deleted or reworked to provide no xp

[formal badger]

Idk, getting 99-115 through dailies alone made a pretty big dent

[foggy pebble]

Not anymore that xp ain't
And back then you also needed to spend a fortune daily on runes to make Vis Wax

[rigid pecan]

If you want them for providing direction remove the xp incentive

[foggy pebble]

@formal badger
That is a you thing, not a low level player or a high level player problem
@rigid pecan
That is a personal feeling for me, I do not speak for others regarding how I feel about dailies

[formal badger]

A fotune lol dang didnt cost much

[foggy pebble]

Does as a fresh Iron

[formal badger]

You acting like im the only one getting that much xp, many do this. Ill abuse dailies until they are gone because its just too good. I agree they should be yeeted from the game tho

[foggy pebble]

If you agree they are too strong and abuse them anyway that speaks a lot about you.
And you only care about them being removed now because you already abused the system as far as you needed to.
Like the people who advocated removal of Flash Events having already gotten the cores they wanted

[iron lantern]

that is unfair to put on people for doing content that is in the game

[indigo dew]

Game models dont give a fig about morality.

[rigid pecan]

Been playing the game 10 months near max havent touched challenges think they are grossly overpowered and need to be snapped

[iron lantern]

the devs have made the decision to keep daily challenges. so there is nothing wrong with players doing them

[foggy pebble]

Of course not, that is a choice for you to make, and no one else should be able to tell you otherwise

[rigid pecan]

The fact they went back on removing daily challenges is spitting in the face of "integrity"

[indigo dew]

I think from what they did with grandfathered rates, integrity has already flown out the window. That could have been handled much better, timing wise and transparency wise. They should have waited until Havenhythe and they should have mentioned the need to depreciate grandfathering in the future, if that was their intended goal.

[foggy pebble]

Integrity nothing.
Removing things people don't want removed is shooting yourself in the foot as a business
Hence the uproar when Wilderness PVP was removed, added back again and then removed again

[rigid pecan]

Im pretty the vocal minority was loudly opposed to daily challenges being removed because wah my free xp

The amount of support for asking for the removal speaks volumes

[indigo dew]

I could care less about the free xp at this point, its the fact that they mentioned theyd do something and havent followed through. Wicked hoods for example. They said MTX would go away at the end of the year. Wicked hood was on that list. Lo and behold I see its been defirbrilated early. As a result, what they said about the rest of the items cant be trusted, and I has to systematically burn everything I could touch that I thought theyd touch. Thats not fun. Thats frustrating.

[foggy pebble]

That is not for you to decide whether they are a majority or not.
And what of the people who do not use the discord or the reddit forums?
Or the people that do not care either way and will just accept what Jagex decides?

[rigid pecan]

Highkey think wicked hood should have its teleports integrated into runespan rather then the teletab solution

[indigo dew]

The point Im making is if they try to pull the rug on people who have been playing loyally and even went more expensive, only to get gutted and thrown under the bus when its time to increase membership prices, then they are not operating in good faith.

If they wanted to use integrity, they would have told us at an oppurtune time, like say when a ton of content is coming out next week, that this is going to happen, be ready for it. Btw, we plan to retire grandfathering. It would have generated much less bad PR.

[rigid pecan]

Agreed

Nexon has been operating in far better faith then jagex as far as game health in maplestory and thats crazy to me, im a maplestory expat

[foggy pebble]

Haven't heard Nexon in a very long time

[kindred cape]

How does this impact GOTE which is an alchemical onyx?

[strong tusk]

release updated drop rates of the activities that drop dark onyx core. thanks.

[rigid fern]

I'm not OP nor am I familiar with "ironman skillers", but my guess is that it was the easiest way for them to get any onyx at all
Though there is also the Water Filtration System which, while very chance-based, is still a way to get the odd onyx over time without combat requirements

[autumn girder]

What about the scarabs daily?

[fallow badger]

There wouldent be any non combat source of onyx that are only accsessable through reapers.
I think they are confusing it with alchem hydrix

[kindred cape]

That's my thought as well, confusing it with hydrix.

there are enough skilling ways to get an onyx

[rigid fern]

Oh, you're right. I was gonna say how croe is a non-combat source but then I realised you don't need to be on a reaper task for that
Sorry, brain fog, thank you for correcting me!

[fallow badger]

Brooch i can definitly see being impossible without croesus reapers.
Not grace tho.

[fallow badger]

Im curious... would co-op slayer tasks give a better core rate since you're completing tasks faster?

[bronze lantern]

are they dropped on task completion or chance per kill?

[cosmic wadi]

task completion

[fallow badger]

Task completion

[bronze lantern]

then yeah co op would probably be faster, only marginally though.

[strong tusk]

early bird bonus, better get on it asap before they nerf it tmr

[opal parcel]

I think with yak hides and meat you might need to claim more than once a week since the cap fills up again before the week is up.
I claimed yesterday and I've gotten around 300 raw beef already
but the cap is 1050
so twice a week to be safe

[mellow jackal]

i wouldnt call it "a bit" slow, i bet primal ores are even more faster than those

[candid bloom]

Im still confident that paradox would be an important difference, but they need to be easier without as well.

[wide condor]

The MTX was the biggest offender of fast and free xp and the reson so many ppl were able to level so fast. The Challenge system as it is now is not something to wine about. They removed the biggest offender when TH was removed. Dailies do not discourage new players unlike the mtx. The combat and UI are the difference in player growth when you compare rs3 to osrs not dailies. Challenges will not break the game so just stop it. I'd like to see them to be Level based and actually made to be true challenges (longer and level specific) that reward accordingly not just a 5 minute and your done. They don't have to be daily they can be weekly or stack. There is so much to do in this game sometimes it's nice to have a direction.

[vast forum]

Crazy how you said dailies right now aren't a problem at all, then suggested changing them entirely into something that is neither daily nor as overpowered as they currently are

[candid bloom]

I also feel like we could do better at helping people make goals than converting daily challenges into something for it

[hidden fossil]

How exactly is the current iteration of daily challenges over powered? It would take you over 2 years to fully train a skill if you were to use exclusively daily challenges, and in their current iteration you cant even reroll them

[candid bloom]

Free exp is always op in some way if its worth getting. Its either op or irrelevant, and in both cases it should be removed.

[vast forum]

crazy how that's the bar it has to meet for you to think it's overpowered

[cosmic wadi]

2 years or 8 hours?

[hidden fossil]

so get rid of pengs, all quest rewards, tears of guthix, stealing creation, any number of minigame rewards or content?

[candid bloom]

Sure, im game for that.

[hidden fossil]

Just go play osrs at this point

[candid bloom]

Like, theres an argument that quest rewards can stay, with some nerfs.

And osrs is a different game, which isnt about taking longer. Different gameolay

[static solstice]

Sorry but I have a 7 jobs and 37 kids, I NEED dailies or else I can never ever play

[candid bloom]

Ive also 'finished' osrs content.

[hidden fossil]

Its not a need, its more of a "why do you care"
And i dont even think they need to exist, but these elitist arguments about why the need to go are helping no one

[wide condor]

Well I'm saying don't have a cow over them that are not that bad. I read a whole five paragraph rant on a video over it referring to the health of the game and telling Jagex not to listen to "those ppl " and telling people they need to quit if they don't like it Like it's their whole life, (prob is) over them not removing them. I gave a suggestion to make it more acceptable to some ppl but I'm fine with how it is now. Nothing wrong with making it better.

[candid bloom]

Why is it elitist just because you want them in, and others dont? Its about making the game better as a whole, which means.. in that world, you shouldnt need to get random extra exp to skip portions of skills.

If you need 'free' daily boosts to enjoy the game, the game is failing at something, and should be fixed

[remote delta]

I have no objection to daily challenges if they get rid of the xp too but the system and the sparkles you get for completing them remain so they're rewarding a fair amount

[hidden fossil]

I want the reason they exist fixed first, i dont want them in

[static solstice]

if daily challanges were bxp instead tho that could work maybe

[hidden fossil]

People use daily challenges are other forms of exp like that usually as a mean of skipping completely unrewarding grinds, agility as the prime example, the skill sucks at its core
And yea i see nothing wrong with them becoming bxp personally, but honestly they shouldnt be needed to cover for certain skills being just bland an unrewarding

[candid bloom]

Maybe, but that seems like a bandaid at most. Its accepting theres a problem, then instead of fixing it, you make it slightly less bad

[static solstice]

I think they should go too tbh

[wide condor]

As a 20+ year player I've seen a lot of change in this game and it's still here. The biggest and worst thing for the game is the Toxicity between the player base not just osrs vs rs3 but rs3 vs rs3. Jagex uses terms like "long term health of the game" and some players run with it and claim they care more than those that disagree with them. I'm not sure why Jagex encourages it. Raising the price of the game is far worse for the game than the challenges.

[wide condor]

I like the bxp idea

[candid bloom]

Why make claims and out words in peoples mouths? Noone is saying others dont care about the game. Why pretend that people disagreeing with you means we're bad?

[rigid pecan]

bending the knee and keeping daily challenges is a sign this game will not be changing for the better because they have refused to rip the bandaid off fully

[wide condor]

They did try to remove it in the past. it did not go well

[candid bloom]

It was mostly the timing. They werent trying to remove dailies. They were trying to pack it in to a battlepass that was cancer

[wide condor]

Is it the daily part that is so bad or the xp part becuase theses things can be changed

[candid bloom]

Its both, imo.

[wide condor]

So make them longer level based and bxp reward like Skiller slayer

[rigid pecan]

I'd be fine with daily challenges existing as giving direction for a player. but it doesnt provide xp or rewards of any kind

[mellow jackal]

btw, somebody knows how many rc tablets tps someone can farm 1 in hour of runespan?, i want to laugh

[hidden fossil]

like 2?

[candid bloom]

But what problem is this trying to solve?

[wide condor]

Compromising

[hidden fossil]

They need to make the loop of the certain skills more rewarding, give people a reason to want to train it outside of being an arbitrary quest requirement or something

[candid bloom]

Why is a compromise needed? Whats the whole mechanic needed for?
If its just to appease people, thats not a particularly good reason.

[hidden fossil]

As a side note, i see the early bird bonus struck again with the onyx cores at lizards

[rigid pecan]

im enjoying my upgraded gote

[oblique ruin]

they must have nerfed it very hard, cuz i didn't even get a obelisk shard in 3 hours of salamanders

[hidden fossil]

Oh i already got 2 cores prior, and then got my 3rd from the lizards last night, but its just funny how everyone knew it would be nerfed into the ground cause the rates were completely borked

[rigid pecan]

i honestly thought those rates were acceptable to make up for how insanely rare they were previously. those upgrades are not worth 400m+

[candid bloom]

Its mostly large QoL

[wide condor]

Why is appeasing people not a particularly good reason? Why do you think it's so bad to let people keep something they enjoy. I enjoy the challenges and I'd like them to be longer. What is so wrong about that?

[candid bloom]

The problem is mostly that people are only 'enjoying' it because it lets them skip something they consider bad. Its not enjoyment, its relief

[hidden fossil]

Yea they acknowledged that after the nerf was heavy handed as well from my understanding, so theyre back to trying to find a middle ground

[candid bloom]

Those skills need fixing, which takes time. But we have crap loads of other stuff to help those still, dailies arnt really needed

[wide condor]

lol it doen't let me skip a thing I'm over 100 level on everything

[rigid pecan]

so you just want a free like 30-40k or more in a given skill, got it

[formal badger]

I skipped 99-115 dung through dailies only. So ya, it does let you skip shit

[candid bloom]

Sure, then why does exp number go up matter?

[wide condor]

No I said they can make it longer and level based with bxp as reward and not daily

[hidden fossil]

Someone already mathed it out on reddit. If you wanted to skip a skill, it would take your something like 560?ish days of purely only doing daily challenges in that one skill to get it to 99? Let me see if i can find the post, cause my math may be off

[candid bloom]

But why at all?

[formal badger]

Wouldnt matter pre-99 cuz u cant choose daily

[wide condor]

It would be harder now and they can change it

[hidden fossil]

Thats kinda part of the point
https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1rvrcy2/youd_need_42682_daily_challenges_to_skip_runescape/

[candid bloom]

We're not talking completely skipping a skill though. Noone is saying that. You're skipping portions of the grind.

[waxen moat]

Yo, that's not a bad idea. Instead of direct XP, have the dailies give bonus xp instead. That way they can't skip stuff and still have to go train the skill.

[wide condor]

Why sould everything be a grind

[formal badger]

Jot aura let me skip the skill pre-99

[rigid pecan]

this game is a grind based mmo..... what

[formal badger]

Thats the definition of rs lol

[candid bloom]

Thats the game. Rs is a grind game

[hidden fossil]

Yea but that grind should feel rewarding to be fair

[candid bloom]

It does, mostly.

[hidden fossil]

And in most cases, personally, it does, like i cannot tell you how rewarding grinding to get, then use the runic attuner felt

[wide condor]

So you did it and got yours and now you don't want others to be able to do the same?

[rigid pecan]

No its admitting its a flaw with the games design as it defeats the purpose of playing the game

[formal badger]

Auras and daily challenges need to go bye bye. Ill abuse them if we got them, but they def gotta go

[wide condor]

Is it all about the HS race?

[candid bloom]

Hs is dead anyways. Has been for ages

[formal badger]

Hs means nothing cuz of th

[hidden fossil]

I mean personally, i cant even remember to use the JoT aura, that thing is annoying to me