auras

[mental warren]

i think that since vamp is primarily used in lower ranged combat it makes no sense to have the cost be that high. i also think that it being an "aspect" in the way this game iterates aspects is stupid but... that's just me i guess

[burnt egret]

Removing the Auras is not a good move.

Making them more accessible ✅
Taking away all my hard work to get them ❌

Surly someone can figure out a way for new players to access Auras easier rather than completely reworking the whole aura system.

[calm mortar]

The changes need to happen. Runes are plentiful from shops for all your needs.
As well as from runecrafting.
And rune pouches let you hold 3-4 runes in one slot.
They're more accessible than auras ever where.

[burnt egret]

Disagree. It’s more upkeep now. More gold sink and wasted inventory slots.

[calm mortar]

All the skilling auras are one and done or just baseline now.
One click every 12 minute for a good effect is something everyone was already doing.
Plus. The penance/vamp effects will save an immence ammount of supplise in the long run. And you can carry weeks worth of uptime in one inventory.

[leaden oak]

I understand that rune pouches are expenses and not necessarily super easy to get for low level players or ironmen, but most of the places you'd opt to use penance/vamp vs a better combat aura in the like pre-aura-removal setting are places where losing 4 inventory space really is not particularly concerning.

Also - I'd highly recommend editing your original post to give it a more informative title.

[empty owl]

im sorry but what hard work?

the only one you had to work hard for was mahjarrat aura

[ashen grail]

skill issue

[empty owl]

the vampyrism aspect is 20,792 GP per cast, which is incredibly cheap at a mere 100k an hour (killing chickens for 5 minutes is enough to fun an hour of vamp aspect)

the penance aspect is similarly priced at 22030 gp at current GE rates

i.e. about 110k an hour

as for the inventory concerns that is slightly more valid, but very few bosses last less than 12 minutes, and the comparative value that infinite vamp/penance has on supplies stull outweighs it

[cursive lake]

We really just need a (preferably untradeable) masterwork rune pouch that holds all catalytic types.

[ashen grail]

its 1 slot or 4 if you dont have pouch

i think thats worth the cost for aspects

[ashen grail]

auras dont require work lol, just buying member and sitting for a few months, also ppl alr carry every rune in pouches all the time so inv slots being wasted is a bad argument

[ashen grail]

also ppl alr use darkness or animate dead so its not more, and its 5 clicks a hour

[burnt egret]

So I just got these for free? I didn’t have to use income to purchase loyalty points to slowly unlock and secure these auras over many years.

But go off on how they require no work

Everyone just wants everything for nothing all handed to them on a silver plate with no brain power required

Why not just make the game have 1 ability so all you have to do it sit there with your finger on 1 and watch the boss die

[ashen grail]

except the aura is a bonus from membership, so you cant say you spent the money FOR the aura, you got it as a gift from jagex
i never said anything about wanting auras for no work, i just said that your argument for taking away your "hard work" is invalid

also penance and vampirism are very cheap auras lol, one is a few months of member and the other is just killing a few bosses

besides i wouldnt say getting a few bucks for member counts as hard work anyways

[burnt egret]

It’s one of the benefits from premier. Boosted loyalty to unlock auras. It was a part of the deal.

Fact is I spent millions of loyalty points over 20 years to achieve this

[graceful thunder]

very impressive considering the system turns 15 years old this june

[burnt egret]

Irrelevant. Don’t try to discredit 15 years of working towards a goal

[empty owl]

what "work" if i might ask?

[empty owl]

you get loyalty points passivly

if you could specifically pay to get an instant loyalty point package i would be with you

[austere sparrow]

so you're basically saying 'p2w is good'?

[light plinth]

Everyone getting access to same stuff isnt a bad thing.

[austere sparrow]

fwiw I have/had almost all auras

you're still asking for advantage for irl payments. It's just as bad as treasure hunter; your argument is functionally identical to 'I want to buy a maxed account'

people who defend auras are deluding themselves just because in this case the p2w benefits them

[light plinth]

The only real downside to a loss of auras is the tying the effects to aspects so you cant double dip on things like vamprism

While also having darkness or animate dead up

Still rather healthy for newer players to have access to the same stuff as everyone else if they choose to invest the time into the game instead of getting the bis gear by simply having the account

[burnt egret]

Brother I agree it’s amazing.

The issue is they are removing all the perks that members got from being a member for so long and stripping back premier to nothing while it’s still active.

I’ve got nothing against making the systems more accessible as long as the are made more accessible and not just removed completely from the game fully devaluing all the work every player has done prior.

[burnt egret]

I personally don’t think darkness or animate dead should function the way they do but that’s for an entirely different thread

[light plinth]

I dont see how they can bridge that gap without increasing the potency of the effects or making them into something more like powders