#Initial FAQ: Treasure Hunter, MTX Reductions & Integrity Roadmap

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ionic prism
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I don't have an issue with an area buff

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but it should be tied to skilling guilds

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Cooking Guild, Crafting Guild etc

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Not something you can slap down wherever

worldly spindle
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I disagree, cuz those have skill limits. They're low, but they'd still gate a lot of the social aspect for new players.

rich sleet
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Like the conversations i've had doing starbloom crafting in the crafting guild were infinetly better then whatever w84 does

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Because there absolutely is somethign as to many players in the same place

ionic prism
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32 cooking and 40 crafting are incredibly minor thresholds

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and if they're truly that limiting, we could just remove the level req

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far preferable to keeping portables as is

worldly spindle
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My point is that if someone is new to the game, those can seem like daunting numbers. Especially since it effectively gatekeeps socialization.

rich sleet
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Best way to retain new players is to block them out of w84 anyways. The things that happen there are traumatising

ionic prism
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I think if you're a new player, you'd not really learn that portables exist prior to getitng 32 cooking anyways

worldly spindle
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Yeah, w84 is a cesspit, but it can be fun to drop the occasional "this comment is slightly politically charged" type of thing, and watch chat explode.

thin magnet
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I kinda think a +production bonus was never properly balanced. Like, they didn't realize that a portable well could be used in multiple steps in the potion production process

ionic prism
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them both having +xp AND +material saving

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probably is a bit much

rich sleet
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w84 also has the problem of only being able to see half the chat from people on exactly your own tile

ionic prism
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in particular when both figures are pretty significant

rich sleet
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Anyone on the tile next to you jsut gets blocked out and you can't see it anyways

thin magnet
thin magnet
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One of the most profitable herblore money making methods on the wiki is aggression potions. (I have not checked the real prices on the ge, so I'll use the nominal prices)
It's +21.3m per hour with all boosts, but goes to 8.6m per hour without wells and brooch, and 1.8m without wells, brooch and modified botanist mask
https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide/Making_aggression_potions

twilit pendant
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the economy will adjust if some of that stuff gets removed

ionic prism
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How will supplies in the community change?

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Will aggro pots go up or down in demand without combat dummies?

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and so on

granite adder
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I know its not in the normal style but why not give passive agility XP with every step we take in-game .. take the grind out of it and reward in-game time instead.

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You make a valid point .. and I agree to some extent.

thin magnet
granite adder
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I guess if I summarize what I've been trying to say. I support the removal of MTX! It was never good for the long term health of the game. HOWEVER you have to understand that as the customer and in my case I've been a customer for over 20 years it is blatantly unfair to simply take from me what I legitimately obtained via gameplay that you made and I paid for. Yes fix the main issue remove MTX and remove from sale the items that came with it BUT you need to be careful how you deal with the product of that mistake. Portables, Proteins and all and any form of direct XP should GO and I'd be happy with a 60 day window to use up any we have. Any Items that are available in-game should be just that only available via gameplay and if they don't fit into your long term integrity blueprint then consider a graphical rework first before possible removal. I mean who really wants to look like a burnt shark while fishing? If items have a tradable MTX obtained version and an in-game version just remove the tradable MTX version via conversion to the non-tradable then we at least get to use them. If you don't you open up the argument that you are not penalizing those that used lamps and stars and isn't that the main focus here. In regards to Lucky items, again you shouldn't penalize me for playing your game the way you gave it to me.

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Lucky items should never have had stats! The only fair way to sort this is make them all cosmetic and while your at it clean up the Diango Storage as there are loads of items that should be cosmetic. Then give us a toggle to turn off cosmetics problem solved! If you remove items without a fair offset, you are penalizing those that played the game and rewarding those that chose the fast path with MTX XP via Lamps and Stars. You cant do anything about the later, but you can make the removal process of items as fair as possible. Bottom line, I trust the process and know you will do what's right nad best for the game!

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Just remember, this is just my opinion. Its a little like cosmetics, you may not like the outfit I chose but at least support my right to be me! In doing so you get to be you and I support your right to be you in any form you wish. Agree, Disagree both are right!

ionic prism
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you're getting a 400 day window to use up all you have

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date for removal is 1st of january 2027 for mtx items

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(th itself will be removed before this. within a couple of months from now)

granite adder
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Sure .. and how long do you think it takes to re-code almost every part of the existing game. Its going to take that long so thanks for the window that isint a window its a open door.

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Its a HUGE undertaking, and there are soo many permeations. I don't envy the task at hand.

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I have quite a lot of portables .. I don't use them so I would be happy to donate them to a well of integrity with compensation being a small donation to a good charity?

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I've Just noticed something .. Magic Notepaper is on the Remove from sale list but not on the Remove from game list! If giving us a year to use what we hold is your suggested fix then you might want to consider the effect on the G E price of that item as your going to effect the economy of that item in doing so. Hey someone's going to make bank though 😛

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Actually .. maybe you have already considered this and you are going to convert them to the non-tradable version. Thats why thier not on the remove list!

rich sleet
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Or they'll just do nothing from it

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If they were going to convert them they would have been on the "deleted from the game" list

granite adder
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You don't need to remove what's not there .. Remove from sale and convert and there are none left.

hollow vault
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Almost every item on the "remove list" is significantly down in price anyway

granite adder
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lol .. yer for now

rich sleet
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idk what the prices of springs / notepapers were but they are above the ge price atlleast

granite adder
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We have DXP to come and a year to use em

rich sleet
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So doesn't feel like they are significantly down

hollow vault
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3 DXP's left I guess, assuming they can be used in the next 2

granite adder
rich sleet
hollow vault
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Yes, they cut down on the DXP's a year from 4 to 2.

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And will be replaced by other events

rich sleet
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Nothign confirmed about that though right. Just something they are considering

granite adder
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Whatever content we get ..I will still be here to enjoy it!

rich sleet
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I know atleast the winter dxp isn't happening

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But haven't seen an official "form now on theres only 2 dxps" post or reddit reply anywhere

hollow vault
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We already know, the next DXP after nov will be May. Anything beyond that they prob don't even know themselves yet. As it's experimentation what those events will be replaced with

granite adder
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Leagues has been fun in terms of getting large amounts of players interacting. DXP for all its flaws at least had the same effect.

rich sleet
hollow vault
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They have stated, they were looking into things to replace it like THokk's. You can find J mod replies on reddit about it

granite adder
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Be fun to see Spisific Skilling weekends .. with DXP and extra rare drops in one skill over a short period

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Or a Slayer weekend

hollow vault
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Imo 2 dxp events a year is plenty anyway, espec with all the holiday events in its current state.

rich sleet
granite adder
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Be fun if you somehow had to interact with other players to get the DXP

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Like a group activity

hollow vault
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That's not the nature of dxp though. The other events that are aimed to replace the 2 "in-between" events could accomplish this though.

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Most people want to maximize their experience during these events.

granite adder
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Honestly .. I'm a little odd when it comes to XP. My view is why race to 200m, whats there to do after that?? I just enjoy the ride, I,m in no hurry to get to the end!

hollow vault
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In my opinion we have to many XP related events. Cuz right now we have 4 DXPs a year and 3 "skilling hub" events per year.

rich sleet
hollow vault
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oh right easter too.

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Yeah, even more.

finite elk
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yeah the events if anything have been even more egregious

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they work really well with players playing extreme hours doing skilling methods which involve little to no attention by providing flat rewards per period of time

rich sleet
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a perfect example of catering way to hard to afkscape

surreal goblet
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With 4 Event Hubs, they can delete a DXP or two and replace those with a skilling/combat/D&D week event or a Thok's buffs combat event

worldly spindle
rich sleet
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🤷‍♂️ Maybe they'll just give you the lucky cosmetics and no shafting happened

worldly spindle
rich sleet
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Yet all of them are given more then enough time to use. And all the bandaid items are very likely to see proper fixes for the reasons why you'd use them so you won't need them anymore

worldly spindle
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Again, that's relative. "More than enough time" has a very different definition depending on how much you actually play.

rich sleet
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If you don't have the time to play to use them will you really miss them when they're gone

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It's not like you were using them anyways

worldly spindle
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Yes?

rich sleet
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And they also said they are still looking into how to solve exactly that problem

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Where people have more then they can use

worldly spindle
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Like what part of "I'd like to use them throughout the next 10 years, not be forced to spend all of my free time grinding them out in the next year" is hard to understand?

rich sleet
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If it was up to me unhealthy stuff would be removed januari 2026. Jagex is already nice with the 2027 deadline.

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While also considering ways where you will be able to use it even if you only play 30 minutes a month

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I just really hope they don't just yeet a million processors at everyone to use for their proteans and dummies

worldly spindle
worldly spindle
# rich sleet I just really hope they don't just yeet a million processors at everyone to use ...

As funny as that would be, I feel like you're taking the wrong message from what I'm trying to say. I want the ability to afk dummies whenever the hell I want to do so. Not just in the next year. Whenever. I. Want. If that's in 15 years because I was okay with them hogging a bank slot, then I should be able to do so. Stop adding more to the game, sure. The current ones will get used/destroyed eventually anyways.

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Like let the removal happen naturally, instead of artifically forcing it.

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Everything they listed that people stockpiled is consumable... So why not just let them be consumed?

rich sleet
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Because theres plenty of under the hood reasons why just fully yeeting them out of the game is better then having them rot in the gamecode

worldly spindle
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If that were true, half jugs of wine would have been removed

thin magnet
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As long as they're in the game, new uses will come up. Like logs at Croesus, or planks at the fort

rich sleet
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Stays in existence for the same reason as party hats and stuff

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And theres a massive difference between items that are deemed unhealthy for the game and items that aren't

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One of the most important and probably understandable reasons is. Noone is going to trust jagex and their integrity promises if those items stay around

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Because then it feels like they'll always have the plans to bring them back as reward for stuff

worldly spindle
# rich sleet Because then it feels like they'll always have the plans to bring them back as r...

My point is that removing them from sale is the important part. If you're going to talk about integrity, let's at least identify why players thought the items were unfair. It was because you could buy them. It allowed whales to spend their way into the max guild. Many of the items aren't inherently unhealthy, except for the fact that they were MTX only. Proteans easily could have been a D&D reward, for instance.

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But they weren't a reward. They were just a purchase. Which allowed them to flood the game.

rich sleet
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It's definetly not just because you can buy them

worldly spindle
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If they were a reward, Jag could adjust their impact on the game by adjusting their drop/purchase rates. But with purchases, they can't do that, because whales can always just spend more.

rich sleet
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proteans / dummies were also just considered to good for how afk they are

worldly spindle
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Like if a D&D gives you 1 currency per second, you know how long it will take a player to earn a stack of proteans, because you know how much the proteans cost.

rich sleet
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Being taken out of the normal gameplay loop and not contributing to the economy in whatever way is why proteans and dummies are bad

worldly spindle
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And you can adjust the proteans' impact on the game by adjusting their shop price/stack count/currency drop rate.

finite elk
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yeah it's 100% not about them being buyable, free keys were always worse than paid keys

worldly spindle
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But all of that goes out the window when they're purchasable via MTX

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Same with having them as a boss drop. If a future skilling boss has proteans as a drop, they can adjust their impact by adjusting the drop rates.

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But that relies on them not being accessible via other means like MTX

rich sleet
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Lucky for us jagex disagrees and is goign to just remove them from existence

worldly spindle
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And proteans are just one example though. Portables could easily be an invention thing.

finite elk
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they could, but there's also just like

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no particularly good reason for them to exist at all

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their net impact is clearly bad imo

eternal iron
worldly spindle
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Eh, I think the resource saving boost is too powerful, but the idea behind them isn't awful.

rich sleet
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portables are bad. But their effect or some of them could live on in other ways

surreal goblet
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The two big issues with many mtx items is that

  1. They're buyable
  2. They reduce demand for normal skilling items and core skilling methods
worldly spindle
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Make artisan skills social, so people don't spend all their time muling between banks and crafting stations. The smithing workshop helped breathe new life into smithing because it made it a social activity.

rich sleet
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Fort forinthry bank chest should not be the one stop shop for all your skilling needs

worldly spindle
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And portables did the same for other artisan skills

eternal iron
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The biggest issue is that they mask the broken bits of the game. As soon as you run a version of the game without these items it's a mess.

rich sleet
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Make guilds great again. Move some or all portable effects to their related guilds like they did with the luminite injector

finite elk
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the problem with portables in that regard is that they're trying to substitute for coherent world and gameplay building

worldly spindle
finite elk
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I think the idea that taking items from a bank to a skilling station is in someway bad is bordering on absurd

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it's a buff, it matters not one iota whether the buff itself exists or not

worldly spindle
eternal iron
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Instead of portables you could create hubs with varying features that somewhat resemble what portables used to provide. Now you've got players in one location rather than wherever they wish to deploy their portable meeting other players doing the same skill but potentially at a lower level.

rich sleet
finite elk
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in fact I'd fairly strongly contend that the ability to do every skill directly next to a bank isn't great in itself because it contributes to the significant extent to which RS3 skills feel essentially identical to one another

worldly spindle
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Like I said last time, it's about making the skills available to new players. When you're brand new, even level 60 could feel daunting.

rich sleet
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But also not everything needs to immediatly available to new players

finite elk
worldly spindle
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Which is why I said to make a back room available to the more advanced players.

ionic prism
rich sleet
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Having the low level reqs like 40 crafting or 32 cooking is perfectly fine 🙂

ionic prism
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than if everyone stands the same square

finite elk
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we need to assume that new players are adopting simpler gameplay loops

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fishing then cooking an inventory at a time, for instance

thin magnet
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Portables require a Brooch to get the most of them. Level 40 seems more accessible than a 100m+ item

worldly spindle
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And again, that's why I say to have the core crafting area available. Get the new players used to the skill by introducing them to it there, then when they're advanced enough to need the more complicated stuff, make it accessible in the back room of the guild. But starting the skill out front would help familiarize them with it. Imagine if the smithing workshop was entirely gated until level 40. New players would be left confused (at best) because it's obviously the primary place for players to do the skill.

finite elk
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I think thematically that's ok for some skills but not others

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b/c it begs the question why do I need to be in this specific location to do this

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I think the current design of smithing is fine

ionic prism
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players dont start smithing in artisans workshop though

finite elk
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but if you started designing some kind of cooking guild in which everyone cooked from day dot of their account

ionic prism
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they discover it but are not sent there to learn the skill

finite elk
ionic prism
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as in, they discover it probably by doing Whats Mine is Yours, or wandering around

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they're not directed there by the game starting out

finite elk
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I think I'd prefer it if the current smithing tutorial in burthorpe was replaced with a prompt to journey to falador to learn more about smithing

ionic prism
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To my understanding Lumbridge is returning as starting stone

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According to Mod Stu

rich sleet
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The only reqs from guilds i'd like to see removed is having to wear X item

finite elk
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good

ionic prism
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I think burthorpe as tutorial might have an expiration date

finite elk
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remove the anvil

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there is no good reason to have an anvil in Lumbridge imo

worldly spindle
ionic prism
rich sleet
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LIke don't tell me my 200m cooking xp doesn't make me a master chef

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But wearing a chefs hat does

worldly spindle
ionic prism
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Craft guild already lost apron req years ago

finite elk
ionic prism
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Cooking guild has alternatives to chefs hat

finite elk
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the player should not have access to every game system in the starting town

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they need to be pushed to explore and go out in the world

worldly spindle
ionic prism
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you can do:

  • chefs hat
  • sous chef hat
  • cooking cape
  • hard varrock tasks
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You can also buy chefs hat in varrock

sudden briar
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Should 200m xp give a passive buff "counts as wearing skillcape at all times"? 🤔

finite elk
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no

worldly spindle
ionic prism
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tbh just do varrock task set

worldly spindle
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And that means making all of the starting skills available in the starting town.

ionic prism
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we've had things be item locked and quest locked forever

finite elk
worldly spindle
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Like someone shouldn't be forced to travel across the map just to start a skill they want to do.

ionic prism
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uh, what counts as starting skills?

finite elk
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they can do whatever they want if they can get to a location where they can do it

ionic prism
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we have several skills you have to travel across the map for

worldly spindle
ionic prism
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necro, arch, dungeoneering

finite elk
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RS needs to move far away from making things available to players at all times

worldly spindle
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Like the non member skills need to be available to the non members

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And those are primarily what the new players will first use to interact with the game

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Thus, they're the starting skills

ionic prism
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thats a distinction between "available to non members" and "available in first town"

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player should be encouraged to set out and engage with the world at large

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instead of staying in starting town forever

finite elk
worldly spindle
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By removing those skills from the starting area (wherever that is) it is forcing new players into certain gameplay styles they may not want.

ionic prism
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runescape has historically not had the classic mmo zones

finite elk
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the big reason why burthorpe is terrible as a starting location is that it feels unnatural because it has everything

ionic prism
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and trying to fit everything in creates very artificial zones

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There is a reason burthorpe has been decluttered like, twice now

finite elk
ionic prism
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and probably will be decluttered again

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crossing fingers the gnomes get tossed next

worldly spindle
surreal goblet
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If RS was the sort of MMO to hard require a quest/quest-tutorial to unlock a skill, you'd have a bunch of skills start all over the place but have skilling locations everywhere

ionic prism
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But lumbridge historically pushed you out to explore the world

finite elk
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lumbridge is a little better yes, though I'd probably remove the bank chest in the market which feels pretty out of place

ionic prism
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no coincidence that restless ghost sent you to corner of the swamp

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or rune mysteries (started at the duke) sent you both to varrock and wizards tower

worldly spindle
rich sleet
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Not obviously enough available atleast

finite elk
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quite - and while I think the banker on the castle roof is probably moderately sensible

worldly spindle
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So new players were forced to travel to other towns for a bank

rich sleet
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There was always a bank it's just to hidden on top of the castle

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Atleast there has been for a long ass time

finite elk
worldly spindle
rich sleet
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18years is long enough 🤷‍♂️

worldly spindle
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Like there was literally no bank in lumb

finite elk
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yeah I think it's probably fine that that one is there

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largely because it's not particularly convenient for anything

worldly spindle
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Yeah it's only really convenient for portables

rich sleet
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Bankchests themselves though

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Feel weird af

worldly spindle
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And even that has been killed due to fort

rich sleet
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Like why am i just leaving all my stuff in a random chest in the world

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That's always open

worldly spindle
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Yeah, the concept of bank chests just feels very immersion-breaking.

finite elk
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I think some of them are fine in principle esp if given a bit more narrative exposition

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let's say with RFD you're treated as a trusted member of the lumbridge castle and the squires will take items to and from your bank for you when placed in the chest, and the shop there works on a trust system

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obv that's not in the game rn

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and as such the chest feels off

rich sleet
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Then i'd want a squire there as bank option

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Like those random wildy people

worldly spindle
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Yeah, the random wildy people always make me laugh when they wander past.

finite elk
worldly spindle
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Like those are immersion-breaking in other ways. Random dude with a giant pack just casually strolls past an army of ghosts or demons.

finite elk
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we know there are people narratively in gielinor who don't physically appear in the game world

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hell there's whole towns

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which is why I'm sort of fine with narrative-only exposition rather than visual clarity in that regard

worldly spindle
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Yeah, Varrock is supposed to be a sprawling kingdom, but you can walk across the entire thing in like 2 minutes. Imagine if a king demanded respect for being in charge of a plot of land the size of a football field.

finite elk
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if it makes sense for a location to be staffed and its services available to the player, or for there to be some kind of 'magic tho' handwave, I'm fine with bank chests I think

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i.e. RFD chest/barb assault = go ahead, bank chest; combat academy/castle wars = nty

rich sleet
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Nah the random basement chest feels even worse then the combat academy to me

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But that's all just personal stuff

worldly spindle
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Yeah, the basement chest feels like "if I leave my stuff here, it'll get stolen by whatever lives on the other side of that wall"

finite elk
worldly spindle
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Talking more about the giant wall-dwelling hands that scare new players lol

finite elk
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lol

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fair

thin magnet
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The banking system looks like it's low fantasy, but seems to run on high fantasy elements as you go through the story. I'm fine with it being as magical as Player owned Houses, which are in space folded on itself

worldly spindle
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On that same topic, can we get a rework to player housing? Fort was great for Construction, but housing has been dead for ages.

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Like the only reason I've used housing in the past 5 years was for prayer altars. And it wasn't even my house.

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Like if they're dropping protean planks, at least make housing worth it. It doesn't make sense for players to dump thousands of random pieces of furniture into their bank.

rich sleet
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Anyone still making flatpacks is memeing anyways

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fort is an infinitely better way to spend your stuff

worldly spindle
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Well yeah, since fort blew it out of the water

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And that's my point. Housing is dead.

finite elk
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the hard thing from a game design perspective about POH I think is that you need to find something that makes players want to visit the house without making them want to spend lots of time there (b/c players being in instances = bad in general)

worldly spindle
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Better resources from better rooms

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At least it would make the investment worth something in the long term

finite elk
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I think my personal ideal would be to limit its functionality but have it be a super-customisable way of displaying the player's achievements (b/c the trophy halls and skill rooms are still 2006-locked)

worldly spindle
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Cuz POH is not currently worth investing in.

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Like at best, you currently get a cape rack?

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And that's not even something you need to visit often.

surreal goblet
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Storage for various items like those from clue scrolls with the costume room, you got the aquarium, and then other stuff that haven't aged as well like the altar or the study where you make teleport tablets

finite elk
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there's some stuff. aquarium for elite clue once a week, making teletabs etc

worldly spindle
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I know people make teletabs, but I've literally never seen the need. They're so cheap I just buy em lol

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Aquarium is a great example of what I'm talking about though. You invest into the room, and get regular returns.

surreal goblet
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PoH workshop has the armor stand, which is kinda useful but also kinda superseded by augmentation and the invention whetstone

thin magnet
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It's easier to make teletabs than buy them if you run out while doing clues. Like, no one is selling a watch tower teletab most days

worldly spindle
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Fair. I've never been huge on clues, so I haven't had the need.

shy salmon
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I see in the FAQ there was mention of a possible well of integrity. Is there some consideration on getting rid of some restrictions on d&d reset useage as well? If I need to I'll dump them but I have more than a years worth of month and I think weekly resets as well.

worldly spindle
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Hell, I only recently got around to building the elite hidey-holes

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Yeah same. I have like 3 years worth of monthly resets, just cuz I tend to forget about Oyster and sit on them.

finite elk
worldly spindle
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Yeah, it's money making for someone else. But my point is that for the majority of players, they aren't really using the POH. It's only a select few who choose to use it for money.

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And as mentioned above, that's not even a "good" way to encourage POH usage, because it requires players to grind out teletabs in an instanced location.

finite elk
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yeah fair

sudden briar
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It's very easy for "games as a service" updates to introduce power creep that can make old content obsolete if not curated very carefully.

worldly spindle
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A good example is lots of the rewards from old D&Ds. There is a lot that you need to grind for (even on modern builds), but you're often doing it alone because it's basically dead content.

surreal goblet
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Usually Live Service games especially MMORPGs like Runescape in general work by releasing new tiers of new content that are better than the previous tiers. Eventually this can end up in a content treadmill where you will always have new content be released that would technically invalidate the previous tier.

Depending on your personal view of how games should be, it can be bad or good for a content treadmill exist, but imo if one does indeed exist, what will matter is how hard it is to bring yourself up to speed if you drop the game at any point.

sudden briar
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I'm never finishing my void armour collection.

worldly spindle
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And unless I manage to convince my clan to help out one day, I'm convinced I'll never actually unlock them lol

sudden briar
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I remember looking at some easy achievements to do that were added during my 8 year break from the game and thought "Hey the fishing trawler has a couple I could knock out in an hour or two" lol nope deader than the Naragi plane on even the dedicated world

worldly spindle
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Even worse, lots of those skills are vital for end-game viability lmao

crisp hazel
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Personally the only gripe I have about portables being removed is that creating urns will have more (literal) steps, but that’s an easily fixed issue.

crisp hazel
twilit pendant
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i imagine menu entry swapper would also help with smoothing out putting more options on existing things like that

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as it would help with like a thousand other things

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god i want menu entry swapper so bad

finite elk
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setting left click on normal trees to walk here

I've said it elsewhere but it is SUCH a big QOL in osrs

azure saffron
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Portables will be the one item that I will truely miss. Was hoping they might stay in one form or another.

worldly spindle
pallid creek
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I think the portables might be a good idea during seasonal events only (which is the times they get saved for mostly). A portable set up that lasts the entire event or randomly swapped each hour, something simular to the beach event's happy hours. This would become a more seasonal extra to draw more people into staying at the events for longer and not just to get the current rewards and then dissappearing back to doing their own grind. The portables could be nerfed so smaller numbers or items are crafted between the need to click onto them.

rich sleet
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Portables really don't get saved for anything

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As is seen with them existing 24/7 all day everyday in w84

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I'd also like to not see more fomo stuff in events. Theres already to much that kinda needs you to be there to get the most out of events

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this halloween for example. I basically have to be there 24/7 to have the best chance at getting the haunted whetstone

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Because theres no way i'd be getting enough clanconfections otherwise

sonic perch
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Or I’m afraid of it

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Or both

void pendant
rich sleet
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Just saying christmas feels infinitely better

patent umbra
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I think they said these shouldn't be chase items and are merely a bonus, much like the black party hat during Xmas.

rich sleet
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do some quick dailies for max chance at the bph rng fest

rich sleet
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But while i'd like to go back to the days of just doing a simpel quest and being guaranteed all the rewards i feel like they should atleast jsut make it like christmas. Do some quick stuff for the highest chance at the end of the week to get the big rng item.

sonic perch
rich sleet
patent umbra
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Who says the 7 from dailies won’t boost odds substantially high enough? For all we know there could be diminishing effects from the 8th.

sonic perch
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Rainbow was rereleased until the wings were 1gp

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😂

rich sleet
sonic perch
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Assassin’s walk and Plague doctor from 10b to like 150m lol

west wraith
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Why will lucky items not be converted into purely cosmetic or without any stats?? I've been collecting them even though they are useless, and picked them over rewards such as 200m and what else there's been..
I would even prefer it more if everyone just got the full lucky sets, then having wasted so many keys trying to get lucky items.. I've even bought keys when they were new just to get lucky items..

I have 39 lucky items, including all the spirit shields, godswords and chaotic items.

And what about my 18 golden items? I don't see those mentioned, will they be removed too????

Also portables, I would love if we could get a portable workstation (without the boosts they have now), sometimes it's just more convenient to click on those instead of doing it by hotkeys or right-clicking "use" on an item for then clicking on the next.

full field
west wraith
full field
rich sleet
west wraith
# full field

I hope they do that with lucky items too, I would hate to see my collection gone, or having to buy the cosmetics after having already owned the items.

rich sleet
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They mainly just don't like them being actual items

full field
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Additionally in pinned; regarding 'Lucky' items #1434942377931309237 message

rich sleet
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^^

west wraith
full field
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Just my thought on 'Lucky' items:
Should be ornament kit-styled unlocks from related content.
RotS for the Barrows lucky ornament kit.
GWD1 kits from Hard Mode.

Causes a nice 'chase item' for players to go for. The prefix of 'Lucky' should also be scrubbed due to the TH association.

west wraith
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I don't mind any of those suggestion, as long i don't lose my collection and have to start over, also saw someone write they could be made obtainable from clues, which I don't think is a bad idea either.

full field
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As long as it's an untradeable.

rich sleet
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They just need to make them cosmetic overrides and then they can think about how to return them back into the game

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Just like all the other treasurehunter cosmetics

full field
azure saffron
sonic perch
azure saffron
storm cloud
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concerned about the removal of lucky items... lucky divine is one of my favorite keepsaked cosmetics

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would be totally happy if their stats were removed or they were turned into cosmetic overrides or what have you

broken verge
lilac yarrow
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I don't see the point in removing the lucky chaotics but keeping the golden versions of them? I get ones from th and the others are from raffles but still seems like a dumb idea to remove them if u got them from th but not the other? Most people probably don't even use them outside of cosmetics anyways

storm cloud
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yeah kinda weird that golden luckies weren't mentioned

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but i expect they just got forgotten about lol

crystal pendant
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the step only requires catching 1 shark however people use dwarven fish extractor to have 2.

crystal pendant
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@lilac yarrow ^

lilac yarrow
crystal pendant
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I dont remember how long ago this occured; but was quiet a bit ago now.

west wraith
fading wigeon
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those were a release based thing as cosmetics.

fading wigeon
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its possible they can or might but as of today, this isnt accurate

thin magnet
fading wigeon
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this is where the golden cosmetics came from

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its related to golden equipment but its solely cosmetic instead of an item

storm cloud
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yes, it's a bit confusing, but the original golden equipment still exists; the golden overrides from this year are a graphically identical but technically unrelated successor

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you cannot convert the physical golden equipment into the golden goods cosmetics (or vice-versa); confusion may stem from the fact that many people keepsaked their physical golden equipment and use it as an override that way

fading wigeon
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well tbf, golden equipment isnt mtx obtained

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lucky is

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a hard line difference between the two

storm cloud
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that.. is true, actually, now that you mention it

fading wigeon
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I also feel an stat equipment that has extremely limited dispersal would be a hard gut punch to remove. 1k only is smol l0l

storm cloud
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though, it's worth mentioning that technically lucky items were also obtainable through non-MTX means

fading wigeon
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oh?

storm cloud
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specifically you could get them from santa's presents

fading wigeon
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what gave it?

storm cloud
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that's where i got my lucky divine

fading wigeon
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i mean mtx adjacent but 100% obtained via gameplay

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fair complaint

storm cloud
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so, actually with that in mind, it would be kinda BS to remove it lol

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now that i think about it, that's basically like removing aurora dye for people who got it from santa lol

fading wigeon
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jmods have brought up the idea of exploring cosmetics. im keeping hope theyll make the right call

fading wigeon
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so id bet money itl be the same for aurora

storm cloud
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ah, nice

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i mean tbh they could put lucky equipment in clue scrolls too lol

fading wigeon
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dont doom the cluers like that 💀

storm cloud
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HAHA

fading wigeon
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I have all of the lucky equipment. its not a smol list oml

storm cloud
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wow

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i mean yeah that's kind of another thing, a lot of people kinda like the lucky equipment and collected it

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its not exactly garbage like edimmu wildcards

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im a big fan of lucky armadyl, used to use that set for fashionscape haha

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the washed-out colors are nice for matching

storm cloud
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i'm also against the removal of DTDs

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they're a very niche item and there's a cute little sub-community of people who collect them from the travelling merchant & dailies

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I don't really see the harm in keeping them as-is tbh, they're not exactly game-breaking

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and most of them are not even obtained from mtx

azure saffron
crystal pendant
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Can i ask what Death touch darts contribute towards other then simply giving you loot from a boss you didn't kill?

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because I don't think you should be obtaining drop logs with 0kc or insta killing a creature at all.
It provides unnecessary bypasses for players to obtain logs, drops that potentially might not of been capable otherwise.

storm cloud
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people just like them. and 0 kc logs are a pretty rare and impressive achievement in their own right tbh given the amount of time and patience it takes to collect hundreds of dtds

sonic perch
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Dtd dummy

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Kill stuff 15 min

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Repeat

storm cloud
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its just one of those unusual niche things that adds to the color of the game

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its not like you can't get a log by paying for leeches anyway

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so the idea that removing dtds prevents people from getting loot from a boss they didnt kill is wrong

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also, would like to point out that dtds have almost never been mathematically worth using in terms of expected drop value vs. 5m cost of the dart

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and even if they were, that's a lever that can be adjusted, i.e., restricting them from more bosses or increasing their price or removing them from weekly challenge loot

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so i don't really see how they are a meaningful threat to the integrity of the game

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there simply is not and will never be a hugely significant number of nex drops or whatever flooding the market because of DTDs

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and that's in spite of the fact that nex is actually still quite profitable for a t80 boss from RS2 14 years old

full field
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DTDs discourage people from wanting to learn combat. Necromancy's release amplified this due to so many people seeking boss carries to upgrade their gear, with plenty of DTDs having been thrown for it.

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If DTDs were to stay in the game for some reason, the list of restricted encounters should also significantly increase.

rotund gate
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gross, no

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if anything it should decrease

edgy halo
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I want to reinforce the bogus nature of the "VOTE". a VOTE implies a CHOICE of at least two options. When asked to vote in an affirmative manner or simply abstain from voting, what is learned? NOTHING! A true VOTE probably would have shut down all the predetermined future plans. Instead, the entire MTX experiment is designed to appear friendly to player feedback while marching steady forward to an unpopular decision. All the "we got approved" backslapping is a farsical judgement that Jagex is looking to improve the player experience. I predict a massive exodus of the player base. Good luck in your false assumptions. Shame on you.

twilit pendant
# edgy halo I want to reinforce the bogus nature of the "VOTE". a VOTE implies a CHOICE of...

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edgy halo
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I read that first, but it did not seem to dispute what I said.

twilit pendant
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We have had dozens of surveys to solidify that this is the majority opinion of where players want the game to be heading in, it is of course unfortunate if the vote is the first you've heard of that

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But i suppose that's not an unlikely possibility given the publicity of this has extended beyond the typical playerbase

rich sleet
steep gorge
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The surveys are all well and good. But this non vote is a big issue. You want to confirm the surveys then say here's the results. Don't say vote in this poll where you can't give your opinion and after a random number of those out of millions of accounts we'll get rid of it. That is a bunch of malarkey. I don't want to lose the skilling outfits. I don't care if they make them cosmetic but I like some of those outfits to Fashionscape in. And what about the slayer masks that can also be bought in game with shattered anima as an example? This was not very well thought out.

crisp hazel
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For the forty-seventh time they are not removing elite skilling outfits or slayer masks or the Spring Cleaner

brazen arch
# steep gorge The surveys are all well and good. But this non vote is a big issue. You want to...

That is a bunch of malarkey. I don't want to lose the skilling outfits. I don't care if they make them cosmetic but I like some of those outfits to Fashionscape in. And what about the slayer masks that can also be bought in game with shattered anima as an example? This was not very well thought out.
Actually it was thought-out, and Jagex has been very clear on it ever since the poll launched

We will not be converting Slayer Masks, Skilling Outfits and similar items.

rich sleet
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I prefer the people complaining about there not being a no vote over the people that jsut straight up haven't read a thing

steep gorge
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I did read it. And yesterday on one of the posts on the web site it was on there. Maybe it’s not now but it was.

patent umbra
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It never was written to be removed. It was written to be removed from sale.

ionic prism
steep gorge
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Congrats. I used to read them that fast also.

fluid citrus
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@steep gorgedon't be like that. you were wrong. just take the L and move on. don't make snidy remarks to people correcting you

ionic prism
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The point isn't how fast it was read, it was instead whether it contained wrong info or not

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It never had skilling outfits as being deleted from the game. Or spring cleaner. Or slayer masks.

steep gorge
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Im not being like anything. I’m happy to see people reading it when it comes out. I used to be one of them. I can’t at this point but that doesn’t mean I can’t be happy for those who can or do.

fluid citrus
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we all know it has nothing to do with speed reading

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so lets just stop with that

steep gorge
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Uh ok but I was talking about reading the newsposts. I wasn’t talking about speec reading. Reading should be savored.

coarse flame
crude berry
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Sorry just found this now- Should we use keys up and oddy up before the 12th?

crisp hazel
ionic prism
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They never did this and they will never do this

crude berry
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Sorry your probably right

ancient cargo
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100% agree! Clearly Jagex is already planning to do this and the "vote" is a perception of player input. What is 100k votes in actual player base numbers? 20% 30%? and allowing OSRS to vote who currently do not have MTX and have always been salty about RS3 is not really a clear picture of the RS3 community.

twilit pendant
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It has been stated in the FAQ why there's isn't a no option, let's stop going back to an argument that's been answered a hundred times already

As for why the vote doesn't have any restrictions, allowing players who are currently on hiatus as well as relapsing players, both groups of which could have people currently spending time on osrs, to take part in the vote, is a key aspect of the vote

ionic prism
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The dozens of surveys and the experiments we had

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all of which had "yes" to removal be the significantly bigger group

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have already given a clear picture

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It hit 120k votes in 7 days. 100k mark was already reached in like 27 hours.

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154k accounts got 1k xp on rs3 in same time period

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Jagex was absolutely planning to do this before the vote had gone out, because they had so much data all saying majority of players wanted to see TH gone from a year long process. There was incredibly good reason to assume the threshold would be hit.

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Its not like this started with this vote and its vote threshold

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Even if they did a no vote, said no vote would have no path to outcompeting the yes vote, not based on statistics jagex has published

rich sleet
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Can't wait for the 12th to come so people find something new to complain about in the roadmap

twilit pendant
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the biggest valid thing right now seems to be there not being a concrete plan on how to handle lucky items

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and like we all know the thing that should happen is them converting to overrides like some golden items were

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jagex just needs to come out and say that

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sooner the better

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and while they're at it, do the same to the golden items that weren't converted in the first wave

sonic perch
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I would like dungeoneering tokens for then

fallow niche
stoic garden
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I understand removing proteans and such. Poor people can’t afford TH keys.

But why remove lucky items? How does an existing lucky saradomin sword affect someone else’s gameplay?

And since they’re being removed, how are we going to be compensated? I don’t want to see that you’re considering compensation. I want to know the exact amount of coins or DG tokens.

twilit pendant
stoic garden
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An alternative would be to simply convert a lucky item into the normal version of that item

twilit pendant
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lucky items come from treasure hunter just like proteans do, it seems to me the logical extension of your argument is that proteans should also convert to normal tradeable resources?

sonic perch
twilit pendant
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i would not

ionic prism
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We do not need to add even more of said items in the game by converting them

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Daily volume of Ahrim staff is like, single digit. What happens when we suddenly dump a few thousands new ones into the economy by converting lucky one to normal.

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Or corp shields

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Maybe we shouldn't add a few years of supply of an item into the game at once

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Either converted to cosmetic or completely gone are the only reasonable alternatives

fallow niche
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wouldnt it just be like a cosmetic override though for the lucky items to replace what you had already?

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not an actual item

ionic prism
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I was expaining why thats a decisively bad idea

fallow niche
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aaah okeee I see :)

sonic perch
ionic prism
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Yeah, and not by a little bit

twilit pendant
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personally i would be sad to see them completely gone given their unique looks, but leaving them ingame with any gameplay affecting capabilities is a red line too, so the only way to thread the needle is conversion to overrides

ionic prism
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Like sure it would compensate, and give you a bunch of items that you're struggling to sell at 50k each

sonic perch
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Not augmentable, already inferior

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If its volume is one to two per day, that’s 1-2 suppliers affected/day max

ionic prism
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Thats said item affected for ages as several thousands upon thousands of an item is suddenly introduced

sonic perch
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There should be compensation, this is an easy approach to it

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What compensation do you have in mind instead?

ionic prism
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The only compensation that works would be cosmetics

grave mantle
# twilit pendant please read the FAQ so you don't spread misinformation 🙂 https://secure.runesca...

Apparently i misread the faq? re-edited to change to reflect that darts may be removed not for sure. I misread. apologies. I did daily challenges (time skilling) and travelling merchant(in game gold) for my death touched darts. A few from in game raffles we did not pay cash for. The FAQ suggests that Jagex has them on list to be considered for removal from the game altogether. Despite them helping compensate players who chose RuneScape because of not requiring physical and mental abilities Jagex later decided to require. Many players are locked out of quests by bosses (not me, I am able to get there eventually) What we need is for these darts not go away.. but to work on lord of vamp and pirate and char quest bosses- make players 80 hours work to get the quest boss skip for lord of vamp or char etc if you want. additional stuff: I feel the value of this item was recognised by Jagex recently when they expanded the items scope. https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/initial-faq-treasure-hunter-mtx-reductions--integrity-roadmap (ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT MAY BE FULLY REMOVED FROM THE GAME
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fifth item:
Deathtouched Darts (May Be Removed List: These are items we feel may not align with the integrity of the game or ideally shouldn't exist due to unnecessary complexities they introduce. These items may be added to the removal from gameplay list pending the outcomes of Integrity Roadmap work and what we learn from players through that process.)

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sonic perch
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Cosmetics would be worthless

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Maybe if they were tradable tokens

ionic prism
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Wait, did you not argue right above they were already inferior?

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Are they worthless now or not?

sonic perch
ionic prism
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If they're worthless now, and only has value for cosmetics, then compensation of them being cosmetics is more fair

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These items cannot be traded, why would you need something tradeable in compensation?

sonic perch
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Cosmetics are only valuable to some

ionic prism
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The point I'm making is that converting them to tradeable version would not only completely crash every single one of those items

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because it would do that, you're barely getting compensated

sonic perch
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They were originally rolled for, many paid for with keys

sonic perch
ionic prism
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On an entirely different level

sonic perch
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They are just used for invention fodder

ionic prism
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Some of these items do have value, like the corp shield

sonic perch
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Couple million

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Gp is fine too I suppose

ionic prism
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What compensation do you expect to get when you'd struggle to sell said items for 50k because the supply introduced vastly outpace any demand

twilit pendant
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tokens to unlock overrides that is

sonic perch
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Yeah

ionic prism
sonic perch
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Lets say I got a stratus cloud token (untradable)

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Worth nothing to me because I can’t trade it

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Yet someone else is willing to pay probably 8b for it

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Just let me trade it away

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Sure the price will go down

ionic prism
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Tbh if the idea is to crash all these items into a fraction of a price so those who have lucky items can earn pocket change thats less than an hour of afk skilling a money maker

sonic perch
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But it gives someone else something they want and I get something I want

ionic prism
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Then that is an incredible dumb plan

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And seem to have no concern for game health at all

sonic perch
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Those items were not necessarily free

ionic prism
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Yeah, but said compensation cannot be worse than doing nothing

sonic perch
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To just delete them isn’t great

ionic prism
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Frankly, keep lucky items if this is the alternative

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its less harmful

sonic perch
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How is it worse than doing nothing?

sonic perch
ionic prism
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It crashes any value from anything that had a lucky equivalent?

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down to a fraction of currently?

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How is that not the worst option here?

sonic perch
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Those items already aren’t that high

ionic prism
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You'd introduce more of these items in a single motion than get introduced by gameplay in a year

sonic perch
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🤷‍♂️

ionic prism
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because of the sheer number of lucky items owned

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They'll unironically crash to alch price

sonic perch
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They have alch prices/invention uses that buffer them

ionic prism
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most of these dont, actually

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subjugation and kree gear is pretty much it

sonic perch
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Spirit shields to dark facets of luck

lilac yarrow
ionic prism
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the cheapest method of getting don't even use sigils

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Alch price for most of these items are significantly lower than current prices

sonic perch
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5m vs 900k or whatever 🤷‍♂️

ionic prism
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Essentially, demanding that lucky items get converted to normal item is asking to harm a bunch of content for questionable self serving gain

sonic perch
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The content is barely relevant as is

ionic prism
sonic perch
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Supply coming mostly from log hunters that ins at 1gp

ionic prism
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The entire point here is to move away from systems that have harmed the game and we cannot do that by harming the game further

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Anything thats negatively impactful to the game cannot be compensation

sonic perch
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Lucky chaotics I’d want 200k dung tokens and/or tradable cosmetic token for it

ionic prism
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you've not paid 200k dung tokens for them

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We're removing dg tokens as a buyable thing

sonic perch
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🤷‍♂️

ionic prism
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Why should you potentially get over a million token here?

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Is it just trying to maximize whatever you can get as compensation?

sonic perch
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Why not?

sonic perch
ionic prism
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Because its not a justified compensation

sonic perch
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What do you consider justifiable?

ionic prism
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Anything that don't impact gameplay

sonic perch
ionic prism
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I mean you could make it tradeable, but idk why

sonic perch
twilit pendant
# grave mantle Apparently i misread the faq? re-edited to change to reflect that darts may be...

Hey Carol, i appreciate the well written message

some of the encounters you described have become easier to those who struggle with combat thanks to the addition of necromancy, but everybody's different and that's not the same catch-all to beat these bosses as darts are

i am of the opinion that there needs to be some minimum threshold of effort that has to go in to beating quest bosses, and i think something that could be employed here to lower the bar for those who need it further than it has already been lowered by necromancy is something called dynamic difficulty, where after a few failures the game will ask you if you want to make the fight slightly easier.

there's a few places in the game where dynamic difficulty is already being used also, to me this is a far healthier alternative than removing that threshold of effort entirely in the way that death touched darts do

sonic perch
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And people who don’t can get compensated

ionic prism
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We can do that without introducing tradeable tokens and make this a rare

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If you didn't want them in the first place, why did you, as you say, pay for them

sonic perch
ionic prism
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You'd get compensated either way, even if that compensation isn't wealth or currency

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Cosmetic overrides is a compensation

sonic perch
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And that creates obligations for compensation

ionic prism
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its just not something you can turn into gain

sonic perch
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Why not?

ionic prism
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Why should they

sonic perch
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Keep people happy

ionic prism
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I mean it sounds to me like if they said "1b gold per cosmetic item" you'd go thats reasonable and think it doesn't impact anything

sonic perch
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What do you lose from them becomes tradable cosmetic override tokens that do not affect gameplay?

ionic prism
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I don't want them to become sudden rares in a speculative economy

sonic perch
ionic prism
sonic perch
ionic prism
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No

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Its literally the opposite of reasonable

sonic perch
brazen arch
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In no way is "dump trillions of gold into the economy" anywhere NEAR reasonable

sonic perch
ionic prism
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NONE of these items are REMOTELY worth billions of gold as is

sonic perch
ionic prism
sonic perch
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I think anywhere between 5 and 50m

brazen arch
# sonic perch I agree lol

and neither is making a new discontinued rare like you mentioned
only folks that win in that case are merchers and they deserve Ls, not Ws

sonic perch
ionic prism
sonic perch
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Nah tokens usually lose speculators lots of money lol

ionic prism
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I didn't expect you to go ahead and go "yeah"

sonic perch
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If you held assassin walks at 900-1b

ionic prism
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I expected at least some pushback

gentle island
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i feel like kobra's argument would be it would create another phat and h'ween mask situation?

sonic perch
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You’d be in a world of hurt right now

sonic perch
ionic prism
sonic perch
ionic prism
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Y'know, I'll not take 10k dollar if its attached to lighting my parents house on fire

sonic perch
brazen arch
ionic prism
ionic prism
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The gold effect on the game is a bigger negative than me getting a few billion gold

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I value the health of the game over my own ingame wallet

sonic perch
sonic perch
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In the literal sense of the word

ionic prism
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I used the 1b example as an example that nobody in their right mind should support

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What you consider reasonable is clearly not within the realm of reasonable

sonic perch
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If you had offered a star system I would also call it that

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The other choices being reasonable and less than reasonable

ionic prism
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It is so beyond what should be compenation that it loops into unreasonable

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As in, if Jagex had proposed such a solution, the community should go "thats dumb and should not be considered at all"

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Given that you've stated that you'd just milk this to get as much value out as possible

sonic perch
ionic prism
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I don't really think what you want as compensation matters here

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Cosmetic overrides, no tradeable token. Its more than reasonable.

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As you say.

gentle island
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Is this coming from what should we do with lucky items?

ionic prism
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Yes

sonic perch
sonic perch
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But close

ionic prism
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Both of these are unreasonable demands with negative effects on game health and should not even be in consideration

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Same with 5m-20m per lucky item

gentle island
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I'll throw 2 suggestions that might work.

  1. make the original items dyeable with the black ink
  2. turn them into cosmetic overrides and maybe down the road make them into buyable cosmetics from sgs
    Maybe that would work?
sonic perch
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They are often from the ultra rare category of th

ionic prism
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I agree with there being some new obtainable source of them

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Said source should however, not be tokens

sonic perch
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And compensation should be commensurate with that

ionic prism
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Maybe toss a lucky dye on medium clues or something

sonic perch
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1/10000

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Log hunters would uhh

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Yeah

ionic prism
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I think adding an ultra rare thing causing log hunters to flock back to bosses

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would just flood every other item dropped by the boss into the game

lilac yarrow
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I don't see the dg tokens as unreasonable tbh I mean if u use the tokens to buy xp for dg it'd only be a few mill worth which isnt breaking anything huge the 5m to 20m per other lucky items is a bit of a stretch though

ionic prism
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Doesn't seem like a great idea

gentle island
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I don't see why it couldn't be dyeable or a buyable cosmetic override

brazen arch
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for chaotics, they could add them as cosmetics to the DG shop for a high amount of tokens
for example, they made retro primal available for 2m tokens
that way it keeps value for those who consider it valuable for winning a black-gem TH prize, while making it obtainable for those who want to

ionic prism
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Best case scenario would be:

  • Something you apply to said item, to unlock cosmetic override
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sinking the item in the process

sonic perch
ionic prism
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Because we need more item sinks for all these things

sonic perch
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Adding it to clue scrolls would be similar for clues no?

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Unless…

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A new tier of clues

ionic prism
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Which honestly why I don't want to overcomplicate it with adding tokens

sonic perch
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Treasure hunter (remnants) clue

ionic prism
sonic perch
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That can give you tokens and stuff from the old treasure hunter

ionic prism
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There is very little we can do with clues that will outweigh the people who do like, 50k caskets hard and elites

sonic perch
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Except now you actually have to go on a treasure hunt

ionic prism
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It means we definitely shouldn't add it to hard, elite or master

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medium clues seem like the obvious candidate for a lucky dye

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Its the red headed stepchild that has no big chase item, yet take longer to do than easy for same output

sonic perch
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Medium too easy

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New tier

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Keep things fresh

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Prevent discontinuation of th walks and tokens

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(You don’t want them to go up in price, do you?)

ionic prism
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I'd rather just send walks and tokens to fitting game content around

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instead of concentrating it into one thing

sonic perch
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Or a treasure hunter tier clue scroll lol

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Turn all remaining keys into caskets or something

ionic prism
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I don't want any concentrated reminder of TH

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Yelps is already bad enough

stoic garden
ionic prism
brazen arch
ionic prism
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We're adding cosmetic toggles but I've not seen a single call for cosmetic removal

sonic perch
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They could also just sell them directly in a cosmetics shop

ionic prism
brazen arch
ionic prism
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surely

rich sleet
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I can't believe like half the stuff i've just read being serious suggestions. I'd say the only "reasonable" thing to do with lucky items is just convert them to cosmetics ( no token bs thats dumb ) and thats all

grave mantle
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I would love to keep advanced pulse core on the merchant, (theyare marked as may be removed ) as it can really help with tasks I dislike. they make gameplay more joyful. I once wore one and stood next to a friend trapped doing the harps. ( Harps were pretty chill for me those days, but not for them) I feel having less of them available will help them not to too much distortion.

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I feel dragon trinkets are good reward from dung tokens as not all players love having to make long commute to fight a creature for slayer or whatever . It is good for dung to have some rewards that are useful in gameplay for those in the mid game. Maybe make them available in the main dung shop so returning players and newer players find them sooner?

ionic prism
rich sleet
fading wigeon
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cores are an odd thing to possibly keep imo. I imagine they make it fall in line with the bxp still being in the game ig.

ionic prism
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Cores are on definitely remove list

fading wigeon
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werent they maybe?

ionic prism
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Cinder cores are on maybe list and hopefully goes on definitely remove list

fading wigeon
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whats the argument other than you think it should go too

ionic prism
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advanced pulse cores are on def remove so thats the TMS one

ionic prism
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They're on seperate lists idk why 🤷‍♂️

rich sleet
ionic prism
fading wigeon
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yeah the maybe part is weird

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as I said before weird they might keep it

rich sleet
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I would not mind the whole maybe list just moving to the list they belong on

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Which is the 100% deleted list

ionic prism
grave mantle
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Slayer VIP Ticket form cabbage face punch bonanza are the may be deleted list ,l used to have no slayer points from cancelling slayer tasks. Delaying my slayer mask progression. Vip tickets are wonderful. Making the game more accessable and fun is agood thing. I stopped doing slayer until I was allowed to dump bad orders -Green dragons!!. Did the game want to lure me to the wilderness! My bad order was anothe rplayers dream order, lol Again, higher level ways of doing things are very nice, but the early and mid game matter. RuneScape has many styles of players, with RuneScape acting as a shared pathway to many different individual dreams. Ideally vip tickets allow a simple no fomo choice.

rich sleet
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Vip tickets shouldn't exist. And slayer itself should just always have that choice

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Possible as some early-ish quest reward

grave mantle
brazen arch
rich sleet
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I wouldn't want it stacked on smoking kills

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That's a little to easy to get to.

ionic prism
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Mod Sponge did float the idea of a slayer master quest to tie up lose ties with Nakatra and the like, could be a fine source of it

rich sleet
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But maybe if it wasn't a 100% chance at choosing between 1 and 2

ionic prism
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While I'm mixed about slayer tickets dissapearing

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I also think slayer have gone very astray from its original vision

grave mantle
# rich sleet The content itself should be fun doing. Not some ranom xp enhancer

I really loved harps at that time, it wasnt fun for my friend. Different players will enjoy different activities at different times. Buying an xp enhancer from oddments or merchant or earning from challenges is not random. That is about more time in other activities in order to earn the right to get through stuff we dont personally feel like at that time (once oddments become event rewards) It was treasure hunter that many of us felt was random and unwelcome.

ionic prism
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You were never supposed to be able to just rotate like, 4 top tasks you wanted

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The entire point of slayer is to have you fight a bunch of different content

grave mantle
# ionic prism You were never supposed to be able to just rotate like, 4 top tasks you wanted

This is a game, and when slayer came out it wanted me to lose all my gear in the wilderness fighting something i felt was too hard for me. If that is your jam that is great and gneuinely probably abtter way to do things.. but some early and midgame players will prefer not to have tasks they feel like they cannot complete. Even the same person can vary game styles. I will sometimes like to do the same thing over and over, sometimes not. . Its hard to explain it, but not having slayer points to spend on upgrading my slayer stuff was dreary. One person drudgery is another's thrill. ( I kept getting ice strykeworms tasks when I didn't have a fire cape which could not be one and cost slayer points to end and I wanted to do those so I used death touched dart to get a firecape after more than decade. But without that dart I mayve felt i reached as much progress as i could)

ionic prism
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Wildy pvp isn't really a concern nowadays though

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given you can toggle it off entirely

terse scroll
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Regarding Brooch the easiest thing to do would just be make it act like the Brooch from leagues where it gives you the portable buff of making extra items anywhere. If they want to balance it out you could also make that effect a charge effect with Alchemical Hydrix dust or fortunate comps

grave mantle
# ionic prism given you can toggle it off entirely

true. Also I am maxed now. and on the way to resource I can casually walk past dragons leaving a bone and hide trail. I wont forget that early/midgame feeling though. I still cant do grove well , though I try every now and then. I suspect the choice encourages people who are not at end game to engage with the slayer content.

terse scroll
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I do think Slayer tickets should stay though

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They make tasks a lot less frustrating

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Put them on like the rare drop table or something

grave mantle
# terse scroll Put them on like the rare drop table or something

they are on cabbage face punch bonanza for everyone, often a reward of optional daily challenges for everyone, and sometimes sell on travelling merchant stock for high level players. Id support them being added as a drop to Mole, which will help put them in the hands of new PVMers without them having to know about them and seek them out.

terse scroll
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Aint no one playing Cabbage Face Punch for tickets

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Hell the only reason they ever played it before was for the Seediced but you can get that from POF now

grave mantle
terse scroll
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Patch bombs can be made with Invention also

brazen arch
# grave mantle they are on cabbage face punch bonanza for everyone, often a reward of optional...

if it helps, this is Mod Ryan's original comment on VIP tickets (posted 3 Nov)

  • Slayer VIP coupons - Are we able to address the problem at the core of slayer, instead of it being an extra that's tacked on?
    • Bonus note: This item is actually a good example of where the game has quite a few complexities that have built up over the years and might seem normal to current players, but are alien to newer/returners. Currently you can mess with the assigned task via coupons, slayer cape, Archaeology relic, slayer points, etc. Streamlining this would be preferred
grave mantle
compact locust
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Adding silverhawk down feathers to invention instead of thaler reward shop. Can be an epic money sink for the game. You can not remove the feathers surely, i'm 200m agil and i dont want to see my fellow runescapers having to do braindeath circles for months 🤣

grave mantle
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Being able to earn or buy d and d reset tokens could potentially be helpful way for new or returning players to play catch up. So much content is time gated. Being able to double do events that are only monthly helped them feel less ick. Being able to get reset ticket can mean getting the herb bag when it is most needed. Having an adorable and very runescape feel minigame like herby werby is awesome. Perhaps a calendar date time gate would better way to discourage newer players?

ionic prism
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Addressing dailyscape is on the integrity roadmap

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Don't know to what degree there will be as many things to use said tokens on, come next year this time

grave mantle
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There is lot of talk about runescape feel. The magic world with rainbow butterflies? Magic has been part of RuneScape since very early on. A male armour everywhere beige and brown history look isn't necessarily accurate. Even if this was not game with summoning, rune crafting, magic, divination, necromancy, prayer and other somewhat mystic skills. RuneScape can include fairies and gnomes and elves- rainbows and particles, pubs shaped like ships, and pale blue skin are part of the feel for many. A toggle is great but some way to encourage people to turn on the magic may be helpful.

rich sleet
gentle island
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so how would that address those that can't play for more than an hour a day?

rich sleet
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Spend the same time others have spend on getting your stuff done

gentle island
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sure let me just quit my job for that -.-

rich sleet
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OR don't expect to get what others have spend months / years on without putting in similar time

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Your boss isn't going to pay you years of wages just because your coworders have been working there longer does he

gentle island
# rich sleet OR don't expect to get what others have spend months / years on without putting ...

OR make it fair for those that contributed their time already and are now adults that actually earn their stuff for a living. you basically want to kick out those that don't have time to play anymore after a day of being yelled at by a mix of their boss, co workers or other people and just want time to relax by playing something they loved. idc about th being gone but i care for those that want to be able to do the same things others do but don't have other obligations

rich sleet
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ACtually having to play the game to progress is fair for everyone

gentle island
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but how is it fair for say one that can play 16+ hours a day vs someone that can barely do 1 hour

rich sleet
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That's life

gentle island
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very poor answer imo

rich sleet
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If you can't put it the time you don't get the reward

brazen arch
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Heck, any hobby even

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If you can only put 1h a day into playing soccer, you'll take way longer to reach the level of the guy doing it for a living

gentle island
twilit pendant
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i wonder how those who support treasure hunter feel about that, because it seems like to be logically consistent they would also be supportive of that

gentle island
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that would be interesting to see what their stance is

twilit pendant
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and it is perhaps at this point that i need to remind myself and others viewing these message that discussion of illegal substances is against the rules and i should move on lol

gentle island
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i was thinking of something else to that response lol

fading wigeon
# gentle island sure let me just quit my job for that -.-

IDK how far along you are with your account but for the vast majority of players who have maxed or put a significant amount of time into the game, we dont hurry it up. We will use DXPs if we fancy it BUT the reality has it that most of us play it at our own pace and treat it as a "I will get there when I get there"

It sucks when you want to play the big stuff. The key thing happening for RS right now is that Jagex is directly acknowledging that the early, mid to mid-late (up to 99 still) has rough game loops.

the implication with the acknowledgement is that they may update or fix problems that are getting bandaided with silverme feathers etc. (To say it, I did a vast majority of my leveling during a period when I worked 40-60 hour weeks. it is possible. You do have to sacrifice things to make time tho. )

gentle island
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i guess to put into context i've been playing for a little over 2 decades and it was maybe a couple years ago i maxed on my skills (not 200m max). the issue i see is that content gets released and people play it but then the content dies a while later for one reason or another and when someone eventually can do the content, it ends up essentially dead content.

i know its not supposed to be a race and those that do think that really should go elsewhere. but for those that can't put the time in to eventually do said content it becomes a turn off for them. like i said earlier too if people skip stuff because they cba, then they deserve no sympathy.

grave mantle
grave mantle
# rich sleet ACtually having to play the game to progress is fair for everyone

taking time to play doesn't mean doing what people did in the past- If it takes many years knowhow for an average person to get to the fun stuff and most people have already spent the ten years that does rather rule out new players. On th other side many players have spent significant years on rs and have the levels but still cannot easily boss. . I do not know what is to be done, runescape is a unique game with a lot of unique challenges.

twilit pendant
finite elk
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yeah

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fundamentally players playing <10 hours a week are going to want very different content design to players playing >50 hours a week, and that means needing to ensure that there exists different sorts of content for both groups

gentle island
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it won't be an easy balance to achieve for sure

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can't please everyone

twilit pendant
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just gesture vaguely towards tempoross and scurrius and say you want some of that in rs3

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because that's the kind of fun early content those with less time should aim for

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aswell as what they should advocate for being added

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but we should not pretend that it is fair for those who only put in 10 hours a week to be at or even get to the same stage of the game as those who put in a hundred hours a week

crisp hazel
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As a second year college student nowadays whose parents hadn’t met yet when RS Classic came out, my time on RuneScape has been incredible. I earned my 99 Max Cape last month and my first Zuk Cape last week. Without my daily Treasure Hunter I would probably not have my Max Cape yet, but I’d probably be enjoying the journey even more without skipping half the content.

fading wigeon
reef coral
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Some of the things going to be removed can be gotten other place rather than th. Why are they being removed.. examples are the DTD and aura refresh.. they can be gotten other ways and i have bought many aura refresh from death with slayer points. I dont belive this list has been thought out properly.

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I think this is going to backfire. When talking about th being removed i think most people only thought about lamps and stars. was the list up before people voted??

brazen arch
ionic prism
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The list has absolutely been thought out properly, one need only look to answers by Ryan in follow up to it

finite elk
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yeah, had some questions myself on publication (early in this thread), but Ryan's answers do a lot to give faith

ionic prism
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Significantly better answers than I was even hoping for

vague swallow
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The real problem with this vote is not whether or not the majority of players wanted TH removed(and its previous iterations) for ~15 years.

The problem stems from Jagex's laziness(as a company, not the developers) in actually allowing players to move forward with a plan with compromises through voting/experimentation, and instead have shoehorned THEIR OWN CORPORATE SOLUTION that may be more economical from a company standpoint initially, but causes extreme inconvenience/disengagement to/with the addicted and/or nostalgic player-base.

Just because items were gained through RNG, does not mean that players did not "buy" the items. Even if players exchanged their time for daily keys that was still a cost incurred to the player.

Giving players' items equivalent to items that they may potentially lose will be a serious endeavor and one that - without substantial player input will fail miserably.

I really would like to see a unique, THOUGHTFUL, and fair method of collecting data of this sort, because currently the implementation seems as though as it sacrifices Jagex's integrity, players prior engagement with Jagex's in-game systems, and player emotional well-being(via feelings of loss, and devalued in-game assets).

If there can not be a simple exchange "x" for "y", then don't make the change.

There will be solutions if the company actually puts in time to think of some. Outright removal of items without equivalent compensation is ludicrous.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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With the current proposal they'd be just as ingenuous as to reset everyone's stats to level 99(leaving those below level 99 as is), and reboot all high score races back to 120/200m.
And wipe every item that can grant exp to a player via any method from their banks giving a fresh start without MTX.
But even then, you'd still have FOMO items to consider.

It would best to just halt MTX and leave items as is until proper "x" for "y" solutions can be presented in my opinion.

surreal goblet
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Pretty much all front page high score races for recent skills have been more or less untouched by MTX thanks to the 6 month MTX embargo

ionic prism
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Giving players' items equivalent to items that they may potentially lose will be a serious endeavor and one that - without substantial player input will fail miserably.

The only thing that have been talked about having an exchange is lucky items

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Proteans and the like is "use by 1st of january 2027"

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They've worked on this for over a year, having a lot of data before they even did the first experiment

vague swallow
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There shouldn't be an expiration date on proteans. Just let them be used as they're used currently, or exchange them somehow -- even dxp trader.

ionic prism
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They've done a fair and thoughtful gahtering of data

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Go look at the answers they've given in the wake of the FAQ, there has been a lot of thought put into it

gentle island
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um..... what proposal? all i saw (unless i missed something) was a list of items that should (i say should because that list could change) be removed and a list that could be removed

vague swallow
ionic prism
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If we don't have an expiration on them, then we'd have the potential of them really messing up on balancing in the future limiting things they can do

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Lets say they increase xp cap from 200m for instance.

It would be really bad if people who hoarded proteans got a leg up on others in any competition

gentle island
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well nothing has been set in stone yet other than items will be removed

ionic prism
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14 months are more than adequate time to use up any supplies you have use for

vague swallow
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That's not true. They can keep their current implementation exactly lol.
They already have been changed to be used to convert directly to experience gains* over X period of time(the skilling action). It's not like protean planks previous iteration.

ionic prism
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Its pretty simple why there is an expiration date for them.

They don't want to have any trace of them ingame, or let it impact any gameplay or balance, past a certain point

vague swallow
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Now it's like a Software License agreement lol.

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That was not in terms of use, unless you want to stipulate that our usage of our game characters is that term of use.

surreal goblet
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Anything short of removal/conversion for most of the affected items presents a integrity/content progression issue and they're giving a whole year to use it up

ionic prism
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I'm pretty sure Jagex being able to do this is actually in terms of use

vague swallow
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If that is the case, again that could set up jagex for CA.

brazen arch
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Jagex has lawyers that know a lot more about this than you do, no offense

gentle island
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huh? CA?

brazen arch
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class action

vague swallow
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^

ionic prism
vague swallow
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Not really, considering that it wouldn't just be jagex that would get drawn in, but several companies.

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It's not like jagex is the only one that's going to have issues.

surreal goblet
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They've given us a more than reasonable 12-13 months to use up items that we currently have

ionic prism
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Actually more like 14 months

gentle island
twilit pendant
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DID YOU KNOW you can use up to 750 proteans an hour?

ionic prism
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That genuinely leave the question, if this is worthy of CA, is any update to the game worthy of CA?

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I mean, any game update can change, remove, hurt value of stuff

surreal goblet
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At the rate that you can burn through proteans, the 13ish month grace period is quite generous tbh

ionic prism
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Many items have been removed and altered, and unlike this, often with zero warning

gentle island
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i feel like if CA were to happen, it could have happened a decade [and a half] ago

ionic prism
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Here a very generous time to use has been set up

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Doubly so when nothing being removed here is direct purchase

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and you argued earlier on people that hadn't spent any money at all

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For those, these items being altered would not functionally be any distinct from any other change to items by any other update

vague swallow
# surreal goblet At the rate that you can burn through proteans, the 13ish month grace period is ...

That's not really the point. It's more that they could literally do a direct exchange, x for y, and not cause any issues to players.

It would be no different than players being able to participate in an event that got removed from the game. It was there, but now it isn't.

The issue here, is that people directly paid for a specific said thing in the game, and now it's being directly removed.

It is different, but similar.

ionic prism
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Thing is, you didn't directly pay for said thing

twilit pendant
vague swallow
ionic prism
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You paid for treasure hunter keys, which gave various rewards

vague swallow
brazen arch
ionic prism
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I cannot think of a sadder type of player than anyone that would considering suing about this

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Downright embarassing to sue to keep MTX

vague swallow
twilit pendant
gentle island
ionic prism
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Given that several other companies have done similar things without issue

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and this case, Jagex is doing a good thing for a good reason while being more than generous warning

vague swallow
ionic prism
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I don't think there is enough of a mass of players for a CA to start in the first place

ionic prism
vague swallow
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Would it? Setting court precident is fundamental to justice systems.

surreal goblet
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They're freezing the sale of treasure hunter keys and also gave a very up front notice for removal. Do they really need to do more?

ionic prism
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Justice would be that these systems would never have existed

brazen arch
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Before this goes too far, let me issue a fair heads-up to anyone here.
If you're genuinely considering taking legal action against Jagex, good for you but we cannot keep you in this server.
So be very careful about what you say in this discussion

ionic prism
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Getting 14 months to use these up is incredibly fair AND generous

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beyond generous

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they could easily have done 6 months or the like

vague swallow
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I think the majority of players do, including myself lol. Nothing says they can't provide equivalent value for what they'd purchased or earned however.

They could even provide value by returning days of membership equivalent to the amount of $ paid to attain proteans at their given rates.

gentle island
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now say IF a lawsuit were to occur, which country's court would it take place in and how would a judgement, if any, be enforced?

vague swallow
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Just as an example.

ionic prism
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For something that "here is the time to use it up" is more than fair for

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It doesn't read as a reasonable compensation. It reads as a request to get as much free membership as you can, and just trying to use this as a way to get it.

gentle island
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i feel like even if something came out of it, its not enforcable i feel. then again i'm no expert in legal. i barely passed my notary exam a few months ago and that's probably bare bones simplistic in legal stuff

vague swallow
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I said "Just as an example". Your adjectives reek of being disingenuous lol.

ionic prism
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Whats the compensation? You get to use the item. Using the item is your compensation.

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Here is the time you get to use it by, its plenty of time.

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No need for anything beyond that.

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Its the fairest end result.

vague swallow
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That's like buying a software license which has Lifetime support, and suddenly the company sends you an email stating "We regret to inform you that we're no longer supporting your product. You have until 10 July 2026 to use our product, and after which it will cease to function."

gentle island
vague swallow
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ToS ToS ToS. Yes it is in the ToS. However, is it a slap in the face of players who have been compelled to interact with this piece of game content for 15 years? Yes.

twilit pendant
#

something something we reserve the right to alter the deal at any time for any reason and we may or may not have to notify you and your continued usage of the product is you consenting to the new terms

ionic prism
# vague swallow I said "Just as an example". Your adjectives reek of being disingenuous lol.

Your first post here was calling Jagex lazy (they've been working on this and gathering data for over a year), saying they shoehorned in a corporate solution (even though it was formed through so many moments of feedback it felt like they did a survey every other update).

Suggesting that if they can't implement an exchange, then changes shouldn't go through, and thats how this proces can be thoughtful and fair. That current implementation would sacrifice integrity.

You make suggestion that there would be class action lawsuits and that they'd be justified if Jagex don't change their tune.

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And you call me disingenuous?

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"There can be solutions if the company spends time thinking about it", they have, months, in several rounds of player feedback with thousands upon thousands engaging with said feedback again and again, and having had open dialogue for ages.

gentle island
ionic prism
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This is the result of players thinking about it, and the company thinking about it

desert dune
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gnomechildblush interesting reading this as an attorney that studied IP law

vague swallow
ionic prism
desert dune
ionic prism
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If compensation is more damaging than not, then compensation is the worse option

twilit pendant
ionic prism
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You're given enough time that there is no need for compensation

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If you do not use the items in over a year

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Thats a choice on your part

vague swallow
ionic prism
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This is as fair as possible

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Least impact to game, everyone gets time to use the things before they get changed

desert dune
rich sleet
ionic prism
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This is the fairness outcome

vague swallow
rich sleet
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Thr majority of players has chosen full deletion is a good thing 🙂

vague swallow
desert dune
ionic prism
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Can you say why there need to be compensation beyond time to use up what you have?

vague swallow
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It's not the best look.

ionic prism
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If you've been gone for several years you probably have close to no recollection of how much and what exactly you did have

rich sleet
vague swallow
ionic prism
rich sleet
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Yes

ionic prism
desert dune
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I think your confusing legal obligations and finite law with moral objections and theoretical scenarios 😅

vague swallow
rich sleet
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Th deletion is really just the bankspace increase we've all been waiting for

desert dune
vague swallow
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I just think that this solution doesn't necessarily appease as many people as they could if they put a little more oomph into it.

patent umbra
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Tbh, Jagex has done worse in comparison to notifying players of a 1+ year plan ahead for changes on certain items.

desert dune
ionic prism
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Said compensation would in many cases not be even compensating properly

brazen arch
ionic prism
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We can't convert items into ingame resources, because then we'd flood the market and crash the value of said items

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Likewise, converting to gold would be a nightmare for inflation

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We can't convert them to xp, certainly not the full sum, because then the smart thing would be to pile up and be handed hundreds of millions of xp in the flash of an eye

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Which would be incredibly unfair, if fairness is the concern

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What can we actually convert it to thats not harmful to the game?

vague swallow
brazen arch
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only thing I could think of is runecoins but at an absurd rate. We're talking like 1000 proteans per 1 runecoin, but even that feels very OP

vague swallow
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Actually runecoins, yeah.

patent umbra
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Oddments

😏

ionic prism
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Ok, so how do you establish the rate then. Whats a "fair" amount.

And is it really good idea to give a bunch of people, some that got it by just hanging around in the game, a bunch of membership when its your main source of revenue.

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Its a bunch of work for questionable gain and really, you're overcompensating people

vague swallow
ionic prism
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"oh I got 200m so this item is useless" and now they get translated into a lot of things that has uses

vague swallow
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In reference to players hanging around the game, as in f2ps

ionic prism
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you've been overcompensated

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The simplest and cleanest and fairest answer is to not make any conversion, just let the item do what it did before, just give a big enough end date to use it up by

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Everyone get exactly what they expected, no undercompensation, no overcompensation, just the thing and then we get to wash our hands and be done with it

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And we can have the game without these systems harming it further

vague swallow
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So, I guess they just have to mass email everyone that their ingame items will be expiring and to log in through the main game website?

ionic prism
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It is easily the fairest thing they can do

stable raven
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Honestly, years of being given freebies in the form of non-purchased mtx more than makes up for any "compromise" people could agree on. Better to take the year+ to use up what you have then to say it's not enough.

ionic prism
ionic prism
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This too

brazen arch
vague swallow
brazen arch
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Why would it need any button?

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Just say "login to the game"

ionic prism
vague swallow
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That's what I was saying.

ionic prism
vague swallow
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When I was saying login to the game.

ionic prism
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which will be fewer but I bet like, 2

brazen arch
stable raven
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I think I see what you're saying, Kobra. Similar to other emails they have sent regarding updates and promotions, just about TH removal

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If people ignore their registered email, fault isn't on Jagex (not that it is to beginwith).

vague swallow
ionic prism
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If you got a registered email, you know how to log in to the game

stable raven
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Registered emails became required in 2011. If people don't have one by now, very little excuse 😛

ionic prism
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If they've not played since 2011 they've got no need for a warning anyways

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Given squeal was added in 2012

stable raven
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Lol fair point too

vague swallow
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Have they said anything about what future MTX looks like? Are they keeping it exclusive to cosmetics and keepsakes?
I'm unsure if they said they'll be sticking with the experience boost-like packages they sold during the experiements previously.

stable raven
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We'll know more on the 12th

ionic prism
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But bombs did not survive the experiment. They're on the deletion list.

vague swallow
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Windowed?

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Oh yeah the actual Limit I recall that. I was thinking time window.

gentle island
ionic prism
gentle island
vague swallow
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DXP is too good for quarterly player counts though, honestly.

ionic prism
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Happy they didn't survive the experiments, even though doomers said there was no point in arguing against them

surreal goblet
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Well, there's still the Fort rested bonus exp system

ionic prism
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sometimes even dropping

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concurrent player numbers go up... from people playing longer

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But not much for getting players back or into the game

vague swallow
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Yeah only things that really boost returning player counts are new quests or bosses. New players, I don't even have a thought when it comes to RS3. Probably Word of mouth.

ionic prism
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Like, take the DXP in may on the seasonal weekly hiscores

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2 weeks before: 164k players
1 week before: 153k players
DXP: 159k players

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This is just... normal player fluctuation

gentle island
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quick question, is dxp this friday?

ionic prism
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And before you think "maybe there was a big update 2 weeks before"

patent umbra
vague swallow
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yes, Nov 14th

ionic prism
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nope. It was a no-update week because of gamejam

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DXP did worse than a no update week just two weeks prior

vague swallow
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Factor in new game releases as well, and it's rough.

stable raven
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I think there are too many individual varying factors to look at one individual DXP and say it represents all DXP as a whole

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That said, I am of the opinion that scarcity (reducing DXP's per year) will increase demand and turnout. If anyone has relevant data, I'd love to see it

ionic prism
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At least the times I've checked

finite elk
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before the grace period was announced btw I was in theory in favour of an indefinite period to use up MTX stuff and I probably still am

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but tbh someone having so many that their playtime for over one year is not enough to use them up is very much a 'world's smallest violin' moment

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on the class action suggestion, the UK doesn't have 'opt-out' class actions outside of the competition appeals tribunal (and I don't see how you'd bring this under that's jurisdiction), so either way your class action relies on getting a list of affected players and getting them to sign up for a group litigation order (and also finding the couple million in legal fees that GLO litigation tends to go at minimum), or you're looking at finding some idiot very friendly person who's willing to sue in their own name as a CPR r.19.8 same interest representative and bear the entire risk on their own shoulders for a small portion of the reward, or you're looking to sue outside England and Wales and either only have one country's citizens as claimants or otherwise somehow defeat what seems a fairly compelling argument that England and Wales is a more convenient forum for the litigation

tl;dr class action means find a few hundred people and probably a few million quid at least before you're getting anywhere

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(obviously this is not legal advice etc etc)

fading wigeon
fading wigeon
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jagex has leeway and although you are right that they cant just TOS vanish stuff tomorrow they have other things also protecting jagex where what they are doing falls within the legal boundaries

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runecoins and keys existing for 12 months being one of those things they can vanish rn if they chose

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but purchased yesterday, not so much

reef coral
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I am upset about the lucky items too. i used my Birthday money and money i saved ( we had 6 kids it was hard to save money for keys) and i bought many keys to get lucky items.. now they will be gone? how is that fair? I dont see how it is honestly.

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no one uses the lucky items really except cosmetically. i mean t75 and t80... come on most people use higher level stuff than that.

full field
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The issue is the physical item existing.
If it is migrated to the Wardrobe system, that would be much better.

reef coral
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yea if it turns into a cosmetic already unlocked cause i alreay obtained it.. im ok with that. ty for showing me the ideas that are posted on reddit.. i do not go there often.